Scottish independence referendum thread

[deiseach]

There was a lot of smarm from the No campaign in the build-up to the vote about how the Shetlands and the Orkneys would secede from an independent Scotland. Given the seriousness with which they treated this possibility, can we expect them to support a campaign for an independent Glasgow?

[deiseach]

Subsidies to Northern Ireland will be fine. All part of the imperial dividend.

[AQMP]

Irrespective of the no vote it still put the shits up Cameron. 45% is still a very large amount of people who want to leave "the union". It has to make them think.

Having talked to quite a few scots over the last while about this the general feeling was that it was too soon. The feeling was also that Salmond had pushed on with it because he wanted it to be his legacy and if he had waited out a few years and fleshed all the finer detail out it would have gone through.

You have to wonder would it impact the north. We are heavily subsidised and Scotland simply aren't. If questions start being asked then what would be done.

While issues like recent conflict, national identity and history would be major players in a decision on the constitutional future of the North there are lessons here for those pushing for a "border poll".  In a  choice between Change and Status Quo or the Divil You Know v. the Divil You Don't, the Status Quo will always be difficult to shift even if people are unhappy with it.  That will apply here in the North too.

[imtommygunn]

Even from a basic day to day economic perspective as it stands though. There seem to be a lot of parallels drawn to both situations but a lot of people seem to miss the fact there are a whole 26 counties that need to accept us too...

[Zip Code]

Irrespective of the no vote it still put the shits up Cameron. 45% is still a very large amount of people who want to leave "the union". It has to make them think.

Having talked to quite a few scots over the last while about this the general feeling was that it was too soon. The feeling was also that Salmond had pushed on with it because he wanted it to be his legacy and if he had waited out a few years and fleshed all the finer detail out it would have gone through.

You have to wonder would it impact the north. We are heavily subsidised and Scotland simply aren't. If questions start being asked then what would be done.

It's something like 1.8% of the Union!

[Under Lights]

Irrespective of the no vote it still put the shits up Cameron. 45% is still a very large amount of people who want to leave "the union". It has to make them think.

Having talked to quite a few scots over the last while about this the general feeling was that it was too soon. The feeling was also that Salmond had pushed on with it because he wanted it to be his legacy and if he had waited out a few years and fleshed all the finer detail out it would have gone through.

You have to wonder would it impact the north. We are heavily subsidised and Scotland simply aren't. If questions start being asked then what would be done.

Exactly this.

[Shamrock Shore]

GPO it is so!

Anyone coming?

[OakleafCounty]

Even from a basic day to day economic perspective as it stands though. There seem to be a lot of parallels drawn to both situations but a lot of people seem to miss the fact there are a whole 26 counties that need to accept us too...

We're a long way away from worrying about that. First we need nationalism/republicanism to be the dominant force in Stormont for a while before even having a vote in the north never mind the Republic.

[deiseach]

Irrespective of the no vote it still put the shits up Cameron. 45% is still a very large amount of people who want to leave "the union". It has to make them think.

Having talked to quite a few scots over the last while about this the general feeling was that it was too soon. The feeling was also that Salmond had pushed on with it because he wanted it to be his legacy and if he had waited out a few years and fleshed all the finer detail out it would have gone through.

You have to wonder would it impact the north. We are heavily subsidised and Scotland simply aren't. If questions start being asked then what would be done.

Exactly this.

I don't buy that. Perfect is the enemy of good. If the Scots are saying everything must be just right before they take the plunge, they're never going to take it.

[Zip Code]

Irrespective of the no vote it still put the shits up Cameron. 45% is still a very large amount of people who want to leave "the union". It has to make them think.

Having talked to quite a few scots over the last while about this the general feeling was that it was too soon. The feeling was also that Salmond had pushed on with it because he wanted it to be his legacy and if he had waited out a few years and fleshed all the finer detail out it would have gone through.

You have to wonder would it impact the north. We are heavily subsidised and Scotland simply aren't. If questions start being asked then what would be done.

Exactly this.

I don't buy that. Perfect is the enemy of good. If the Scots are saying everything must be just right before they take the plunge, they're never going to take it.

+1 this was their opportunity and they inevitably bottled it.

[imtommygunn]

If you make a vote for something which will have a massive impact on your life - and that could be positive or negative - then you'd want to be sure that all the is were dotted and ts crossed. They fell a bit short of that. The pound debate illustrated that.

[Zip Code]

The no campaign could have sat at home with their feet up and they still would have won.

[deiseach]

If you make a vote for something which will have a massive impact on your life - and that could be positive or negative - then you'd want to be sure that all the is were dotted and ts crossed. They fell a bit short of that. The pound debate illustrated that.

I don't see how that contradicts my point. For example, the SNP can't give cast-iron reassurances about oil revenues. They can't be sure how much is down there or what the price will be in the future. If you're of such a mind as to want all the i's dotted and the t's crossed, you'll always find a missing dot/cross.

[lynchbhoy]

Those 'Yes' screams...that moment in Braveheart when William Wallace realised he was shopped by his own

Scotland has always been a nation of backstabbers
various other films show glimpses of the historical betrayals - eg kidnapped, rob roy etc

nothing worse than being shopped by your own !!

what was it again
'never trust a lowlander or a McDonald' (or was it Campbell)

[AZOffaly]