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[Gnevin]

No, I mean reducing himself to silly and cheap insults and dramatic nonsense.

Yeah logic is such a dramatic bitch.

[pintsofguinness]

There's no correlation between logic and cheap, petty insults. 

If you want to discuss something let me know, if you want to throw about dramatic cheap one liners and insults leave me out of it.

[Gnevin]

There's no correlation between logic and cheap, petty insults. 

If you want to discuss something like, let me know, if you want to throw about dramatic cheap one liners and insults leave me out of it.

Your idea of "evidence" is hearsay and conjecture and that is your good evidence most of it POG's gut thinks.  Sorry but there is no discussion with someone who refuses to back up there opinion with even a shred of proof. Like the moon landing discussion you present no evidence ,ignore independent evidence and have no grasp of ockham's razor

[pintsofguinness]

 
You have to get over the moon thing, are you some relation of Neil Armstrong's or something?

[brokencrossbar1]

There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.

[Maguire01]

You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   

Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?

I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me. 

You're more than suspicious though. You're basically saying they didn't need to take 8 hours in Armagh, with no real knowledge of the detailed facts or basis for that argument, other than your past experience of checkpoints - many years ago at this stage.

I spent quite a bit of time waiting at checkpoints over the years as well, but I don't see any reason to point the finger at the police for taking a certain amount of time to reopen an area after an alert, especially without knowing more than the most vague details.

[Gnevin]

You have to get over the moon thing, are you some relation of Neil Armstrong's or something?

One of the greatest achievement of man kind and people like you think you know better based on the nonsensical ravings of mad men. This is what is wrong with the world people who will believe what ever some gobshite on the internet or fancy cloths in a church tells them to think .

[Gnevin]

There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.

So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

[Maguire01]

There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

Yes, each case must stand on its own facts.
And we've established that it was probably 8 hours, rather than 10, if that makes any significant difference.

[brokencrossbar1]

There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.

So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.

[pintsofguinness]

There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.

So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.

[Gnevin]

There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.

So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.

Who cares what I believe . It would be up to the IMC to investigate or are they a tool of empire too?

[Gnevin]

There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.

So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.

An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .

[Maguire01]

Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.

It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?

[stew]

You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   

Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?

I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me. 

You're more than suspicious though. You're basically saying they didn't need to take 8 hours in Armagh, with no real knowledge of the detailed facts or basis for that argument, other than your past experience of checkpoints - many years ago at this stage.

I spent quite a bit of time waiting at checkpoints over the years as well, but I don't see any reason to point the finger at the police for taking a certain amount of time to reopen an area after an alert, especially without knowing more than the most vague details.

It was ten hours not eight, I too have seen them in action defusing bombs and/or coming to the conclusion it was a hoax, it never came close to ten hours.
I will never trust the police in the north no matter their make up, they have assisted loyalist terrorists in murders and have actually killed the very people they were supposed to protect themselves, they held us at checkpoints many times because they were crooked bastards that loved to mess with Catholics, I dont trust them and I think that since they are not making the money they used to make they are coming up with new and interesting ways to make a few extra bob.

8 hours is too long, tens hours is  far  too long, 2 hours should be more than enough time to figure out a feckin hoax.

As for Gnevin, he knows feck all about the north and what goes on, he has demonstrated that time and time again in his posts over the past year.