Around a month to go. Time to get this started.
Donegal heavy favourites. Will Tyrone have any chance at all in this? Will they even have 15 players left to take the field?
No not in this one. Tyrone will certainly give it their all but more progress will be made through the back door.
Hard to look past Donegal, Tyrone are carrying too many substandard players imo
Everything points to a Donegal win, no injuries & playing well as opposed to Tyrone who seem to be in chaos.
And yet I have the old twitch below my left eye which is never a good sign. Last time the twitch appeared was against Monaghan in the league & we all know what happened there..........
Realistically, we can expect nothing more from this particular fixture than a run around the provinces in the Qualifiers, on our now habitually perennial tour of Ireland. But, however, this tic/twitch of BluestackBoy's...
Chin up, Tyronies.
A huge match for so early in the season.
Ulster is so competitive compared to Leinster, isn't it ?
Our minors and seniors will both get a tanking.
Still, I fancy and All Ireland quarter final berth through the scenic route with Armagh and Gallagher slugging it out in the Ulster quarters.
Tyrone are better out of the cesspool of the USFC and play their exciting brand of gay abandon the length of the county, bringing joy to the young faces in Leitrim or Wicklow.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 07:06:17 PM
Our minors and seniors will both get a tanking.
Still, I fancy and All Ireland quarter final berth through the scenic route with Armagh and Gallagher slugging it out in the Ulster quarters.
Tyrone are better out of the cesspool of the USFC and play their exciting brand of gay abandon the length of the county, bringing joy to the young faces in Leitrim or Wicklow.
You're right O'Neill, many's a Tyrone/Donegal game I came out of with a spring in my step thinking "the world is not such a bad place when you can see a manly & sporting encounter like that played under blue skies in front of a fair & appreciative crowd"
Will ye bother bringing a football or just admire one another and play pass the parcel.
Has ballybofey got any prettier? Heard it unfairly described as the ugliest town in Ireland.
Quote from: rrhf on April 19, 2015, 10:07:16 PM
Has ballybofey got any prettier? Heard it unfairly described as the ugliest town in Ireland.
Whoever came up with that terrible slur has obviously never been to Granard.
What are the women like in Ballybofey?
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2015, 06:38:57 PM
A huge match for so early in the season.
Ulster is so competitive compared to Leinster, isn't it ?
You think this game is going to be competitive?
I hadn't thought about that possibility.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 10:54:53 PM
What are the women like in Ballybofey?
You'll never find out O'Neill.
Any right thinking father, and there are many in Ballybofey, will have his daughters under lock & key when Tyrone's finest come to town.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 10:54:53 PM
What are the women like in Ballybofey?
was game of thrones not filmed here?
RH Santa not gonna like all the negative down playing of our chances in this game.
Our U21 final result will impact our confidence or lack of a little but our lack of leaders and belief that we can beat teams like this any more is our biggest downfall I believe.
That was the first thing McGuiness changed when he took over. His sports psychology skills changed a rather mediocre underachieving team into a strong team of athletes who believed they could now beat teams like Tyrone, Kerry, Cork and Dublin.
As Mickey used to say back in 03 if you believe you will win then you've a good chance but half hearted belief and you'll be found out.
Will McNulty be draughted in along with McShane and Bradley. Our bench is crap.
Will be interesting to see is there the same lack of interest for tickets for this game from Tyrone fans as last year.
Mickey could well have something new up his sleeve for this one. Big Joe, Sean and Mattie or McShane all in FF line perhaps?
Donegal by 5 or 6 I think. Tyrone will put it up to them in the first half like Derry did last year but ultimately Donegal will prove too strong.
Is there anyone who gives Tyrone a hope in hell?
People are saying Donegal "are playing well". They were nearly relegated form Div 1 and took a tanking from Cork in croke park. Rory Gallagher is in year 1 and will be seriously under the spot light against Tyrone. Mickey Harte has been managing Tyrone for about 45 years at this stage. I think this game will be closer than people think. Never rule out Tyrone
Quote from: ck on April 21, 2015, 01:16:28 PM
Is there anyone who gives Tyrone a hope in hell?
People are saying Donegal "are playing well". They were nearly relegated form Div 1 and took a tanking from Cork in croke park. Rory Gallagher is in year 1 and will be seriously under the spot light against Tyrone. Mickey Harte has been managing Tyrone for about 45 years at this stage. I think this game will be closer than people think. Never rule out Tyrone
Well i think it's music to Tyrone's ears that everyone is writing them off and they'll certainly use it as motivation for this game but i can't see Donegal under estimating Tyrone (not a team with championship pedigree) and i think Donegal will have too much for them but it could be loser than most people think (2-3pts). We (Armagh) are waiting on the winners and TBH i't doesn't really matter who wins as it'll be as tough no matter who we face...
Quote from: ck on April 21, 2015, 01:16:28 PM
Is there anyone who gives Tyrone a hope in hell?
People are saying Donegal "are playing well". They were nearly relegated form Div 1 and took a tanking from Cork in croke park. Rory Gallagher is in year 1 and will be seriously under the spot light against Tyrone. Mickey Harte has been managing Tyrone for about 45 years at this stage. I think this game will be closer than people think. Never rule out Tyrone
I wouldn't rule out Tyrone either, and this game will be very tight with scores hard to get. If Donegal can shut down Tyrone's attack again, they should win it, but the mistakes from the likes of Durcan will have to stop.
Donegal's form has been on a par with the other teams and they had only one really poor performance in this year's league. If Donegal were nearly relegated, then so were Mayo and Kerry, and I don't think too many will be bringing THAT up come championship.
However, it's ridiculous to say Donegal "got a tanking" from Cork or to read much into what was effectively a challenge match in which barely a hand was laid on a forward and in which the margin at the end was four points.
Quote from: ck on April 21, 2015, 01:16:28 PM
Is there anyone who gives Tyrone a hope in hell?
People are saying Donegal "are playing well". They were nearly relegated form Div 1 and took a tanking from Cork in croke park. Rory Gallagher is in year 1 and will be seriously under the spot light against Tyrone. Mickey Harte has been managing Tyrone for about 45 years at this stage. I think this game will be closer than people think. Never rule out Tyrone
Ah now, hold on one minute here.
1. Donegal were not nearly relegated, not even close.
2. Donegal were not "tanked" by Cork, there was three points in it.
The game may well be a close one, Tyrone may even win, but trying to put a gloss like that on things will convince no one.
Last years all Ireland finalists and league semi finalists with an astute fresh new manager who they all really believe can win out in a championship cauldron against a 3 times all ireland winner.
I dont doubt Donegals on field ability - they should win on that alone. But until their novice manager wins a few championship games without Jimmy making the big calls, and gets that monkey off his back the pressure might come on him. The fall out with Jimmy Mc Guinness is well done and dusted now. Is it fair to say in his last championship game involved with Donegal they got drubbed in Croke Park and as a result he took the fall. Next year they were in an All Ireland final without him involved. I wish the lad well and hope that he can piece it together 2 years on...
Inexperience on the line could be a great leveller. MH is Tyrones trump card if the games tight.
Quote from: ONeill on April 19, 2015, 10:54:53 PM
What are the women like in Ballybofey?
The are like the men in Granard.
Quote from: rrhf on April 21, 2015, 06:19:23 PM
Last years all Ireland finalists and league semi finalists with an astute fresh new manager who they all really believe can win out in a championship cauldron against a 3 times all ireland winner.
I dont doubt Donegals on field ability - they should win on that alone. But until their novice manager wins a few championship games without Jimmy making the big calls, and gets that monkey off his back the pressure might come on him. The fall out with Jimmy Mc Guinness is well done and dusted now. Is it fair to say in his last championship game involved with Donegal they got drubbed in Croke Park and as a result he took the fall. Next year they were in an All Ireland final without him involved. I wish the lad well and hope that he can piece it together 2 years on...
Inexperience on the line could be a great leveller. MH is Tyrones trump card if the games tight.
I don't know where you got that from but it is news to me.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 21, 2015, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 21, 2015, 06:19:23 PM
Last years all Ireland finalists and league semi finalists with an astute fresh new manager who they all really believe can win out in a championship cauldron against a 3 times all ireland winner.
I dont doubt Donegals on field ability - they should win on that alone. But until their novice manager wins a few championship games without Jimmy making the big calls, and gets that monkey off his back the pressure might come on him. The fall out with Jimmy Mc Guinness is well done and dusted now. Is it fair to say in his last championship game involved with Donegal they got drubbed in Croke Park and as a result he took the fall. Next year they were in an All Ireland final without him involved. I wish the lad well and hope that he can piece it together 2 years on...
Inexperience on the line could be a great leveller. MH is Tyrones trump card if the games tight.
I don't know where you got that from but it is news to me.
Was the mayo game not the tipping point in that management team.
It's been a long time since I went into a Tyrone game and struggled to make a case for us winning but I'm finding it difficult to find a strong argument for us going to Ballybofey and getting the result. However, on a positive slant, I think we may be better off avoiding the Ulster Championship and going via the qualifiers. A perfect opportunity has arisen to replace the lads who have left the panel with 6 or 7 U21s. I'd like to see Hampsey, Cassidy, both Brennan's, Meyler, McNulty, Burns and McGlone involved with the panel alongside McShane and Bradley who are already there. Let them have a years experience of championship football and give them as much game time as possible, throw them all into a full Div 2 next year to gain further experience and then head into next years Championship with much more optimism than we are this year. Any championship win is a bonus in 2015 and if we can win an u21 All Ireland and have a good run in the minors then the year will not have been a disaster. Best of luck to Donegal in Ulster, please go easy on our young uns!
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 21, 2015, 09:59:32 PM
It's been a long time since I went into a Tyrone game and struggled to make a case for us winning but I'm finding it difficult to find a strong argument for us going to Ballybofey and getting the result. However, on a positive slant, I think we may be better off avoiding the Ulster Championship and going via the qualifiers. A perfect opportunity has arisen to replace the lads who have left the panel with 6 or 7 U21s. I'd like to see Hampsey, Cassidy, both Brennan's, Meyler, McNulty, Burns and McGlone involved with the panel alongside McShane and Bradley who are already there. Let them have a years experience of championship football and give them as much game time as possible, throw them all into a full Div 2 next year to gain further experience and then head into next years Championship with much more optimism than we are this year. Any championship win is a bonus in 2015 and if we can win an u21 All Ireland and have a good run in the minors then the year will not have been a disaster. Best of luck to Donegal in Ulster, please go easy on our young uns!
My very own thinking, alas, with quite a lot riding on this U21 Final.
Well said Benny but I fear Mickey won't do that.
I believe he's had quite a bit of input with Logan and the U21s but if past experience is anything to go on Mickey will only choose his favourites from an early stage.
I'd be happy seeing Brennan, McShane and Bradley though I don't know the others well enuf.
Aw shucks, Benny, I almost shed a tear.
Would ye take an under 21 win or a win against donegal
Quote from: rrhf on April 21, 2015, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 21, 2015, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 21, 2015, 06:19:23 PM
Last years all Ireland finalists and league semi finalists with an astute fresh new manager who they all really believe can win out in a championship cauldron against a 3 times all ireland winner.
I dont doubt Donegals on field ability - they should win on that alone. But until their novice manager wins a few championship games without Jimmy making the big calls, and gets that monkey off his back the pressure might come on him. The fall out with Jimmy Mc Guinness is well done and dusted now. Is it fair to say in his last championship game involved with Donegal they got drubbed in Croke Park and as a result he took the fall. Next year they were in an All Ireland final without him involved. I wish the lad well and hope that he can piece it together 2 years on...
Inexperience on the line could be a great leveller. MH is Tyrones trump card if the games tight.
I don't know where you got that from but it is news to me.
Was the mayo game not the tipping point in that management team.
As usual there was little in the way of leaks from the camp, but my information is that they fell out over the training regime for older players.
Gallagher wanted them to rest more but McGuinness disagreed.
This might be right, it might be wrong but I don't think the Mayo result had anything to do with the split.
These things happen.
U21 win I think is massive for us and for that management team. Nobody remembers nearly men, ask Mayo as it actually works against you psychologically.
I haven't saw Tipp but believe they're a great outfit but I would be happier with those U21s believing they are champions and then getting loads of back door matches away from the Ulster pressure cooker to build experience and confidence.
It should also push on players like Mattie, McCurry etc to the next level as they see the competition putting them under pressure.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 23, 2015, 09:16:20 AM
U21 win I think is massive for us and for that management team. Nobody remembers nearly men, ask Mayo as it actually works against you psychologically.
I haven't saw Tipp but believe they're a great outfit but I would be happier with those U21s believing they are champions and then getting loads of back door matches away from the Ulster pressure cooker to build experience and confidence.
It should also push on players like Mattie, McCurry etc to the next level as they see the competition putting them under pressure.
+1
If solace helps tyronies in these trying and challenging times, then so be it.
Very quiet on this game so far.
Can't see Tyrone get within an asses roar of Donegal. It's odd that in the last 3 championship meetings we almost has their number in the first one. Switching play, shooting from distance, stretching the pitch. It was only very poor accuracy stopped a Tyrone win.
Since then we have played right into Donegals hands with laboured build up, running into tackles and poor, late ball into the forwards.
i see the mind games hav begone already with donegal lad starting another thread on this game.ignore them ::)
I dunno...if Tyrone were to win against Donegal and them U21's come into the set up and the place buzzing from that massive win things would be good and there would be great competition for places...For me senior football is top dog and to go to Ballybofey and beat Donegal in their own back yard would be better than anything the U21's could do.
I do believe the game will be a lot closer than people think but I still think Donegal will win by 2-3pts.
On a bit of humour I hope both teams kick the living shit out of each other and there are 10 men suspended for your next Championship game no matter who wins ;)
Tyrone haven't a hope. Be lucky to finish within 8 points of this great Donegal side.
Who would ye rather get illDecide?
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 30, 2015, 12:28:18 PM
Who would ye rather get illDecide?
Donegal...
1) We'd be home for that
2) Last years defeat should inspire them
3) Tyrone will want revenge for last years mauling from us in Omagh
4) Just couldn't bear Tyrone to beat us ;)
5) We'd have to travel to Omagh if its tyrone
6. Good to get Tyrone out of Ulster asap
Lads / Lassies, hopefully this post makes it up here, there is a great event to get a good discussion going on the 2015 Ulster championship and the All-Ireland as a whole and is being held in the Kilmore in Cavan on Friday week (8 May 2015).
The Ballybay Senior team are hosting an All Ireland preview night and have secured a very interesting panel - Declan O'Sullivan (Kerry), Michael Meehan (Galway), Anthony Moyles (Meath) and Kevin Cassidy (Donegal). Declan Bogue (Author and journalist) will MC the event and should ensure an interesting debate between the panel.
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Quote from: Gonzalo15 on April 18, 2015, 12:09:35 PM
Hard to look past Donegal, Tyrone are carrying too many substandard players imo
Long may that continue, they have an abundance of substandard players coming through as well judging by the under 21 championship, excellent at the dark arts and cynical stuff though but then again thats normal when you play for that county. Donegal to win pulling up hopefully.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 04, 2015, 11:37:59 PM
Quote from: Gonzalo15 on April 18, 2015, 12:09:35 PM
Hard to look past Donegal, Tyrone are carrying too many substandard players imo
Long may that continue, they have an abundance of substandard players coming through as well judging by the under 21 championship, excellent at the dark arts and cynical stuff though but then again thats normal when you play for that county. Donegal to win pulling up hopefully.
Oh what an embittered individual you are, mind those spiders tonight, for they'll be emblazoned with a mighty red hand, right on the pincers that they'll use to bite you! :) :D
fancy both teams to have a long summer
Donegal to win in the championship and Mickey if he can integrate the U21s to get to the quarters/semis via the back door
might see a change in the red hands next year with the the u21 management stepping up
Quote from: naka on May 05, 2015, 04:19:25 PM
fancy both teams to have a long summer
Donegal to win in the championship and Mickey if he can integrate the U21s to get to the quarters/semis via the back door
might see a change in the red hands next year with the the u21 management stepping up
Ideally I would love that u-21 team to stay another year as next years crop should be pushing for honours too. In saying tha, I would be delighted to see them take over.
Could they not do both? Tipperary's U21 manager is the stats man on the Senior team, while his backroom team are the same as the Senior management, with Peter Creedon acting in an advisory role. They are currently recruiting a PR guy :)
This game has the potential to have Brolly, Spillane et al up in arms, it will be a turgid affair. Tyrone are totally spooked by Donegal at this stage and seem to get stage fright every time they come up against them and I feel that another narrow defeat is on the cards. Donegal 0-7 v Tyrone 0-6.
I haven't been following Tyrone events too closely, but I have noted some talk about panel defections and so on.
So what kind of team do you boys forsee Mickey putting out?
I'd imagine Donegal's should be predictable enough, at least for 12 or 13 spots, injuries permitting (presumably Durcan will be fit again), with question marks over the likes of Mark McHugh Anthony Thompson and Colm McFadden starting.
Quote from: naka on May 05, 2015, 04:19:25 PM
fancy both teams to have a long summer
Donegal to win in the championship and Mickey if he can integrate the U21s to get to the quarters/semis via the back door
might see a change in the red hands next year with the the u21 management stepping up
I tend to agree. The same team needs to be with the under 21st next year as there's a rematch v tipp sometime down the road perhaps...
To be honest i cant see anything else than a Donegal win, one thing that will be expected, the game be horrible to watch
Quote from: naka on May 05, 2015, 04:19:25 PM
fancy both teams to have a long summer
Donegal to win in the championship and Mickey if he can integrate the U21s to get to the quarters/semis via the back door
might see a change in the red hands next year with the the u21 management stepping up
I would have expected qtr finals anyway, even with defections.
As with most years you could about pick 6 out of the 8. As for the other 2 it's probably 2 from 4.
A good run through the back door with a few games to get a settled side and introducing a few of the newer players would be progress.
IMO, what is essential is the development of a faster attack, from keeper out.Over the last 4-5 years, build up has been very slow and laboured. By the time the ball hits the full forward line ( if indeed it does) space is at a premium and the first shooting position is usually wide and acute. By the time it's recycled out, across, and back across again the shooting zone is completely packed.
In fact the template from the u21s is much more fluid, and suits smaller quick accurate forwards.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 05, 2015, 06:42:06 PM
To be honest i cant see anything else than a Donegal win, one thing that will be expected, the game be horrible to watch
I'm not so sure about that.
I was Jim McGuinness's biggest fan but even I would have to concede that he always had difficulty against teams who set up the same way he did. Last year's QF against Armagh & the final against Kerry being cases in point.
Gallagher is a different animal, & while he is no Jim Gavin he has loosened the shackles a fair bit & I fully expect to see Donegal take the game to Tyrone from the off.
Time will tell....
I am seriously disturbed that Tyronies have been so emasculated, no longer strutting their stuff with the brazen arrogance of the ignorant.
They should take solace in and remember the word of God, Mickey is for life.
Feeling the pressure there Main Street as now favourites in Ulster?
Donegal will be exhausted by the time they play ye as ye have become the Dubs of Ulster with easy games and playing in yer own back yard in the final. ;D
I think ye showed this year in the league final that ye are no longer scared of the Dubs and ye trust in yer manager and system.
It's annoying the way tyrone get tarred with the same brush when it comes to Donegal's defence. I've been watching Tyrone for years and there is no way we are as negative.
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2015, 01:02:56 AM
I am seriously disturbed that Tyronies have been so emasculated, no longer strutting their stuff with the brazen arrogance of the ignorant.
They should take solace in and remember the word of God, Mickey is for life.
Speaking of things that watch over us on our journey......Do yous buy new Tyrone bunting every year or keep it in a safe place in attic?
Quote from: Bensars on May 05, 2015, 07:41:30 PM
In fact the template from the u21s is much more fluid, and suits smaller quick accurate forwards.
What template is that now? Hitting off the ball? Kneeing opponents in the head or yere good old fashioned taking opponents out of it with elbows to the jaw? All are effective for ye as that is how ye won the under 21 after all.
Good summary Flag man. We are probably the dirtiest, most cynical team to have ever played the game. We are the Meath of the 21st century. That's why we are so feared and have won the last 5 Ulsters.
Do yourself a wee favour and click on your own profile and read your last 10 posts and see what image you are painting of yourself.
A truly well balanced, well ROUNDED individual who can step back and give all sides of an argument in such a unbiased manner that nobody knows where you come from.
Irish Info will soon be knocking on your door with job offers. Keep up the good work. I look forward to reading your well researched posts every day.
How has Niall McKenna's season been so far Tyrone people?
I thought in the McKenna cup final v Cavan he was very sharp and direct with a great turn of pace, any time he turned his man and headed straight for goal he looked dangerous, am I thinking of a different McKenna cup game or is this the same night he scored the goal?
Quote from: 50fiftyball on May 06, 2015, 11:39:46 AM
I thought in the McKenna cup final v Cavan he was very sharp and direct with a great turn of pace, any time he turned his man and headed straight for goal he looked dangerous, am I thinking of a different McKenna cup game or is this the same night he scored the goal?
Has he played for Donaghmore so far in the league?
Quote from: Tyrone_redhand on May 06, 2015, 02:13:54 AM
It's annoying the way tyrone get tarred with the same brush when it comes to Donegal's defence. I've been watching Tyrone for years and there is no way we are as negative.
My God, things have come to a sad state of affairs when Tyrone are seen as an attractive option ahead of us ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 06, 2015, 09:58:56 AM
Good summary Flag man. We are probably the dirtiest, most cynical team to have ever played the game. We are the Meath of the 21st century.
Fair play, at least you are admitting it, except I think your statement is unfair on Meath, they never held a candle to ye in terms of dirty, cynical play or general execution of the dark arts, no one can compete with ye on that level.
C'mon Donegal
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 06, 2015, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 06, 2015, 09:58:56 AM
Good summary Flag man. We are probably the dirtiest, most cynical team to have ever played the game. We are the Meath of the 21st century.
Fair play, at least you are admitting it, except I think your statement is unfair on Meath, they never held a candle to ye in terms of dirty, cynical play or general execution of the dark arts, no one can compete with ye on that level.
C'mon Donegal
We in Donegal are taking exception to Tyrone getting the accolade of being the most cynical.
Neil McGee in particular is most upset & has vowed to set the record straight.
Was at the audience with Pat Kenny last night for his new chat show on UTV Ireland. He had Mickey Harte as his guest with an open interview lasting an hour.
Mickey then came back out when recording finished to answer questions from the floor.
Let's just say I'm going to this game now as Mickey seems to have something up his sleeve with a lot to prove in what he says "people say this is my last year."
Is big Sean back playing for moy?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 06, 2015, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on May 06, 2015, 11:39:46 AM
I thought in the McKenna cup final v Cavan he was very sharp and direct with a great turn of pace, any time he turned his man and headed straight for goal he looked dangerous, am I thinking of a different McKenna cup game or is this the same night he scored the goal?
Has he played for Donaghmore so far in the league?
McKenna has played both games. Scored 1-4 against Errigal operating from full forward.
Fuzzman, Sean Cavanagh returned to action against Dungannon last Sunday. Heavily strapped leg and seemed to lack a bit of match fitness but still had enough to help Moy come away with a massive 2pts.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 07, 2015, 10:54:02 PM
Was at the audience with Pat Kenny last night for his new chat show on UTV Ireland. He had Mickey Harte as his guest with an open interview lasting an hour.
Mickey then came back out when recording finished to answer questions from the floor.
Let's just say I'm going to this game now as Mickey seems to have something up his sleeve with a lot to prove in what he says "people say this is my last year."
Is big Sean back playing for moy?
If he can motivate the dressing room the way motivated you we will walk it. ;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 07, 2015, 10:54:02 PM
Was at the audience with Pat Kenny last night for his new chat show on UTV Ireland. He had Mickey Harte as his guest with an open interview lasting an hour.
Mickey then came back out when recording finished to answer questions from the floor.
Let's just say I'm going to this game now as Mickey seems to have something up his sleeve with a lot to prove in what he says "people say this is my last year."
Is big Sean back playing for moy?
What can he possibly do different?
15 behind the ball instead of 13?
It's already going to be defensive.
Have youse found a Donaghy - type to throw up front?
Quote from: J70 on May 08, 2015, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 07, 2015, 10:54:02 PM
Was at the audience with Pat Kenny last night for his new chat show on UTV Ireland. He had Mickey Harte as his guest with an open interview lasting an hour.
Mickey then came back out when recording finished to answer questions from the floor.
Let's just say I'm going to this game now as Mickey seems to have something up his sleeve with a lot to prove in what he says "people say this is my last year."
Is big Sean back playing for moy?
What can he possibly do different?
15 behind the ball instead of 13?
It's already going to be defensive.
Have youse found a Donaghy - type to throw up front?
they have already adopted this, along with not contesting kick outs allowing the 3 full forwards to get back into defence. It stings the eyes
Based on the league game its hard to see Tyrone winning this game. Donegal looked to be so much stronger and everyone seemed comfortable in what they were doing. Murphy is capable on scoring any free within 55 yards and they have a very experienced team and are very physically imposing. Added to the fact they have beaten us so often in recent years and they're definitely strong favourites.
That's not to say we don't have a chance. We've often seen teams being hammered by another in the league only to turn it round come championship. I can think of numerous examples in recent years. The one worrying thing with that though is the league game was so important for both teams survival prospects so you'd have to imagine both were going flat out for it.
During the league game though we didn't seem to match Donegal's intensity at all for whatver reason. We didn't look up for it and played a very slow build up game which made it so easy for Donegal. The wind also worked against us that day from memory. How much of our slow play and lack of intensity was down to Donegal is hard to know.
People will say a qualifier run would be good for the team but I have to say I really think at this stage we need a big championship scalp, its been too long. A loss here would really dent confidence whereas a win could have the county and team buzzing again. I hope we go out with a real high intensity and get stuck into Donegal. Break forward in numbers and try to get a lead up. I'd be brave in selection and go with something like this:
Morgan
McCarron
Joe (Only if fit which I've no idea. If he is he's the only man with the power to compete with Murphy)
McNamee
Brennan
McRory
Justy
Colm
McShane
McNabb
Donnelly
Harte
McCurry
Sean
McKenna
McAliskey and Bradley to come of the bench and offer some scoring power when game opens up. Clarke also a good option from the bench around half back or midfield.
Can anyone confirm if any new u21s have been involved since their all ireland win? The likes of McGeary, Hampsey and Meyler could be good squad options now if brought in and worth substitute appearances. McNulty has been involved before and injuries hampered his involvement, hard to see him accepting any call up at this stage anyway. He seems to be in good form at the moment.
What about Lee Brennan in corner forward? Can't see it though, Harte is too fond of his regulars and likes safety first. Is McShane big enough for midfield? Half forward the more likely place for him if he got a chance. The heartbeat of that u-21 team was McGeary, great energy raiding from half back and would be a great addition to the team.
I would have thought it was more likely to see mcshane as an inside forward if he was to feature.
Lee Brennan definitely did well for the u21s and would have no complaints with him being called up. He is very young so it might not do any harm waiting another year. I'd say McShane is big enough and is as capable as anyone we have of competing in the air and offers something else going forward.
I'm not totally sure about Harte playing it safe. He has taken risks in the past when he has saw something in a player. Gavin Devlin started centre half back in an All Ireland semi final having never played in a championship game, similarly Brian Meenan played midfield in one having not played in championship before as well. More recently he called McCurry up a couple of years ago during the championship and started him at 19. I do think we'll see a team close to the league team for this Donegal game. However if we do get beat would not be surprised to see 3 or 4 u21s start in the qualifiers.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 11, 2015, 01:46:58 PM
Lee Brennan definitely did well for the u21s and would have no complaints with him being called up. He is very young so it might not do any harm waiting another year. I'd say McShane is big enough and is as capable as anyone we have of competing in the air and offers something else going forward.
I'm not totally sure about Harte playing it safe. He has taken risks in the past when he has saw something in a player. Gavin Devlin started centre half back in an All Ireland semi final having never played in a championship game, similarly Brian Meenan played midfield in one having not played in championship before as well. More recently he called McCurry up a couple of years ago during the championship and started him at 19. I do think we'll see a team close to the league team for this Donegal game. However if we do get beat would not be surprised to see 3 or 4 u21s start in the qualifiers.
He also plucked McNamee from nowhere to start against Kerry in the championship down in Kilarney.
I wouldnt be surprised at all if he took a risk and through some of the under 21s in.
Joe McQuillan down to ref this game. I hope he does a better job than he did in the league game earlier this year.
What's the latest on Sean Cavanagh?
His fitness is pivotal to Tyrone's chances & if he is less than 100% then the task becomes much more difficult.
Sean is ready to go.
omagh gael love to know where u heard that as the dogs on the street know big seanie is a huge doubt with that old knee of his. as much as it pains me tyrone havent a hope in hell of winning this game. the best defensive set up and system against the poorest and slowest offence. morgan and cavnagh have both had major injuries thats our free taking abilities seriously dented wee mccurry god bless him will get eaten alive in ballybofey and that leaves mccaliskey as a lone gunslinger up front seriously yeah the horse and mickey have loads of aces up their sleeves. like wise we will struggle at the back to mark murphy as much as i love big justy he doesent have the legs no more, expect harte to go with plan z here, after 15 mins like harte you will be wondering what that is if we get more than 10 points i will be very surprised. whilst mcshane offers a lift where do you play him the only place is 9 as he aint savvy enough up front. xmas tree formation mccaliskey as the fairy at the top of the tree with mccurry cavnagh/mcshane or harte as the elfs and the other 10 workers behind that. same way as donegal will shape up i expect. donegal by 6.
RHS, as much as I would love to get one more big year IR even performance out of Joey but I fear he's become too slow and not up to the pace of the game any more despite his excellent reading of the game.
He looked out of sorts in the Kerry league game but maybe he can turn it around. Who knows.
That's some major team changes you have there. What's your thinking of McRory at CHB?
Why Brennan at wing back?
I think Mickey will stick with the defence from the league with McNabb finally getting a run of games with no injuries and is proving what we all hoped.
Lee Brennan is way too young and inexperienced to play in a game like this. I think playing big Sean, McShane and McCurry up front the whole game will cause Donegal enough problems to not break en masse. Sean's ball winning ability against Kerry in the second half was very impressive if McCurry or someone had of been closer to benefit from it.
Joey at FF or CF would be interesting. We can't keep doing the same things v Donegal and hoping for different results. Our biggest enemy on Sunday is our own lack of belief in ourselves.
In my 30 years of watching Tyrone I've yet to see them lose to Donegal live in the flesh. I not been in the last 5 years so looking forward to Sunday.
Wonder should I put a bet on? What odds are we?
To be honest I think there'll be 3 or 4 changes to the team I named above. I would like to see it shaken up a bit as I think certain things didn't work during the league. McRory often moves out to the half back line anyway and marked Mark Poland v Down last year. I think he's a great runner and not necessarily the best or most physical corner back so may be better suited out the pitch. Brennan had a great season for u21s at half back and was throwing him in to freshen it up a bit. That would allow McNabb to go to half forward where I feel he could be one of our few players who would get stuck in and win breaking ball.
In reality I don't think Brennan will start. The other 2 u21's would possibly be ahead of him and Bradley could well have an impact on this game whether its starting or coming on. As I said I haven't saw big Joe playing apart from Kerry game so was picking him more on past performances.
Things do sound a bit more positive at the minute and it sounds like they have pulled together since the departures. Watching Harte last night on tv it was obvious the passion he still has for the county team and he has given an awful lot to it over the last 25 years. I thought he came accross very well. I'd love to see a big year for the county and people remembering the many good things he has brought to the county.
OSE, I was going on an RTE report I read earlier in the week, haven't heard anything 'on-the-ground.'
Althought the U-21 game will have given Tyrone a boost, with home advantage I fancy Donegal to win this by 2-3 points.
I strongly agree with your last paragraph and I'm fully behind Mickey now which most of us from Tyrone believe this is his swansong year. Wouldn't it be great if we made it to an AI final with a smattering of u21 freshness creating excitement.
I think a run of weekly Sat night games in the backdoor could help build new team spirit within the new and old lads as opposed to high pressure Ulster games which can drain you mentality and physically.
I think this Donegal game will be different this year
Hopefully
In contrast to all the uncertainty coming from Tyrone, things are a lot more settled & optomistic in Donegal.
Don't like it, don't like it one bit.........
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 11, 2015, 07:16:50 PM
What's the latest on Sean Cavanagh?
His fitness is pivotal to Tyrone's chances & if he is less than 100% then the task becomes much more difficult.
Heard he's flying in training.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Typical crap talk. How many times have these teams in the last 3 years league or championship not reached double figures? What % of their games played would it have been? The media can't talk about the gaa without mentioning blanket defence and negative things - no other sport in the world is dealt with in the same way. An awful lot of it rubbish like the above too.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
If you hate it so much, why watch it? One thing I can guarantee, though, is that no one will be bitten.
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Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Typical crap talk. How many times have these teams in the last 3 years league or championship not reached double figures? What % of their games played would it have been? The media can't talk about the gaa without mentioning blanket defence and negative things - no other sport in the world is dealt with in the same way. An awful lot of it rubbish like the above too.
Because that's what defines both teams. They are known for defence and nothing else. That's the reality and it's not media talk either
At least Donegal have something in the way of talented forwards. Unfortunately they don't use them to their best advantage . But Tyrone have little or nothing to offer in terms of forwards in my views
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Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
If you hate it so much, why watch it? One thing I can guarantee, though, is that no one will be bitten.
As was proven nobody was bitten there either. There will be plenty of girlfriends phone numbers recited among other things like , systemic fouling , 13 men behind the ball and most of the scores coming from frees. Like death and taxes those things are certainties when Donegal play Tyrone
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Typical crap talk. How many times have these teams in the last 3 years league or championship not reached double figures? What % of their games played would it have been? The media can't talk about the gaa without mentioning blanket defence and negative things - no other sport in the world is dealt with in the same way. An awful lot of it rubbish like the above too.
Because that's what defines both teams. They are known for defence and nothing else. That's the reality and it's not media talk either
At least Donegal have something in the way of talented forwards. Unfortunately they don't use them to their best advantage . But Tyrone have little or nothing to offer in terms of forwards in my views
Who says it "defines both teams"? Who says "they are known for defence and nothing else?" The voices in your head?
Just because some teams couldn't defend to save their lives doesn't mean that those who can should be disparaged.
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
If you hate it so much, why watch it? One thing I can guarantee, though, is that no one will be bitten.
As was proven nobody was bitten there either. There will be plenty of girlfriends phone numbers recited among other things like , systemic fouling , 13 men behind the ball and most of the scores coming from frees. Like death and taxes those things are certainties when Donegal play Tyrone
Nothing was "proven" one way or the other.
Like death & taxes one of the certainties in life is that haters will always hate.
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Because that's what defines both teams. They are known for defence and nothing else. That's the reality and it's not media talk either
Would that be much in the same way as spouting complete drivel defines you?
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Well, whatever it is, your lot (at all grades) could be doing with a bit of it:
AISF 2014 Dublin 0-17
Donegal 3-14U21 AISF 2015 Dublin 0-12
Tipperary 0-14 And I doubt very much that cannibalism would be what you need.
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Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
If you hate it so much, why watch it? One thing I can guarantee, though, is that no one will be bitten.
As was proven nobody was bitten there either. There will be plenty of girlfriends phone numbers recited among other things like , systemic fouling , 13 men behind the ball and most of the scores coming from frees. Like death and taxes those things are certainties when Donegal play Tyrone
Nothing was "proven" one way or the other.
Like death & taxes one of the certainties in life is that haters will always hate.
Let it go. If McBrearty had shown up at the hearing and the player's suspension had stood, they'd still be crying conspiracy!
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Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Typical crap talk. How many times have these teams in the last 3 years league or championship not reached double figures? What % of their games played would it have been? The media can't talk about the gaa without mentioning blanket defence and negative things - no other sport in the world is dealt with in the same way. An awful lot of it rubbish like the above too.
Championship:
2011: Donegal 2-6 Tyrone 0-9
2012: Donegal 0-12 Tyrone 0-10
2013: Donegal 2-10 Tyrone 0-10
League:
2011: Donegal 1-10 Tyrone 0-6
2013: Tyrone 1-13 Donegal 0-12
2015: Donegal 1-13 Tyrone 0-6
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Typical crap talk. How many times have these teams in the last 3 years league or championship not reached double figures? What % of their games played would it have been? The media can't talk about the gaa without mentioning blanket defence and negative things - no other sport in the world is dealt with in the same way. An awful lot of it rubbish like the above too.
Championship:
2011: Donegal 2-6 Tyrone 0-9
2012: Donegal 0-12 Tyrone 0-10
2013: Donegal 2-10 Tyrone 0-10
League:
2011: Donegal 1-10 Tyrone 0-6
2013: Tyrone 1-13 Donegal 0-12
2015: Donegal 1-13 Tyrone 0-6
It doesn't inspire the soul when you review the championship meetings. Our 14's would score more then 2-6 in one half. My instincts were largely right.
To be clear I was talking about all league and championship games the 2 teams have played and not just against each other. The proportion would be very low so not sure what Indiana is on about. Even against each other in last 6 meetings at least one team has scored over ten so there is no substance behind his comment.
It probably will be a relatively low scoring on Sunday but unlike the Leinster games it'll be a tough battle filled with big hits, controversy and tension. That's what defines championship for me, can't wait for it.
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Typical crap talk. How many times have these teams in the last 3 years league or championship not reached double figures? What % of their games played would it have been? The media can't talk about the gaa without mentioning blanket defence and negative things - no other sport in the world is dealt with in the same way. An awful lot of it rubbish like the above too.
Championship:
2011: Donegal 2-6 Tyrone 0-9
2012: Donegal 0-12 Tyrone 0-10
2013: Donegal 2-10 Tyrone 0-10
League:
2011: Donegal 1-10 Tyrone 0-6
2013: Tyrone 1-13 Donegal 0-12
2015: Donegal 1-13 Tyrone 0-6
It doesn't inspire the soul when you review the championship meetings. Our 14's would score more then 2-6 in one half. My instincts were largely right.
You're 14's are shite.
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
If you hate it so much, why watch it? One thing I can guarantee, though, is that no one will be bitten.
As was proven nobody was bitten there either.
Nothing was proven one way or the other for reasons we all know, but the dogs on the street.......
Re the match itself, I'm going for a draw. Think Tyrone will put it up to the Donegal men in a low enought scoring match. They will need an early goal or 2. Donegal to win at Healy
There isn't too many Leinster first round games that I'd be even arsed about opening the thread to read, never mind commenting on but this game seems to have caught the imagination of a few Dubs. I'm massively looking forward to Sunday with the dread and fear that makes Championship football special. It will probably be a war of attrition and most likely a poor game. But, I can pretty much guarantee it will be infinitely more interesting and compelling, for both Tyrone and Donegal fans and neutrals, than Dublin v either Longford or Offaly.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 12, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
To be clear I was talking about all league and championship games the 2 teams have played and not just against each other. The proportion would be very low so not sure what Indiana is on about. Even against each other in last 6 meetings at least one team has scored over ten so there is no substance behind his comment.
It probably will be a relatively low scoring on Sunday but unlike the Leinster games it'll be a tough battle filled with big hits, controversy and tension. That's what defines championship for me, can't wait for it.
You forgot sledging , blanket defences, most of the scores from frees, abnormal ratio of handpasses to kick passes......... all integral parts of the Ulster Championship. What's the odds on less then 7 scores in total before half time on Sunday?
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 12, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
To be clear I was talking about all league and championship games the 2 teams have played and not just against each other. The proportion would be very low so not sure what Indiana is on about. Even against each other in last 6 meetings at least one team has scored over ten so there is no substance behind his comment.
It probably will be a relatively low scoring on Sunday but unlike the Leinster games it'll be a tough battle filled with big hits, controversy and tension. That's what defines championship for me, can't wait for it.
You forgot sledging , blanket defences, most of the scores from frees, abnormal ratio of handpasses to kick passes......... all integral parts of the Ulster Championship. What's the odds on less then 7 scores in total before half time on Sunday?
You'd get good odds on that Indiana.
I think you should pile in, put the house, motor, wife, kids, the whole shebang on it.
Come back & let us know how you get on.
Heard McCurry is flying in training.
Heard Donegal players are flying to training.
Cant believe how many of ye are rising to the shit stirring, obviously very worried Dub.
You will notice most other Dubs are keeping their head down and powder dry as they know that this is the only brand of football that will stop them winning Sam again this year.
Anyone that bothers to reply to the eejit are just feeding his fun. Sure he's never once admitted to any of the biting incidents FFS.
Anyway, interesting listening to Paddy Heaney here saying people forget how big strong and physical Donegal are and how they were miles ahead of Tyrone in the league with even the way they make runs at angles to receive passes.
http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/)
I'd say a lot of blanket defence haters will be tuning in as it is the only championship where the result is not a forgone conclusion and you will see a proper championship match with nobody giving an inch or rolling over
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Quote from: Fuzzman on May 12, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Cant believe how many of ye are rising to the shit stirring, obviously very worried Dub.
You will notice most other Dubs are keeping their head down and powder dry as they know that this is the only brand of football that will stop them winning Sam again this year.
Anyone that bothers to reply to the eejit are just feeding his fun. Sure he's never once admitted to any of the biting incidents FFS.
Anyway, interesting listening to Paddy Heaney here saying people forget how big strong and physical Donegal are and how they were miles ahead of Tyrone in the league with even the way they make runs at angles to receive passes.
http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/)
I'd say a lot of blanket defence haters will be tuning in as it is the only championship where the result is not a forgone conclusion and you will see a proper championship match with nobody giving an inch or rolling over
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:o Is there off the pitch biting going on as well?
Im really looking forward to this game. Hope it is an intense physical battle, which it should be. I dont much like either team to be hionest but that makes it even better for me
Where you from Tonto?
Interesting that you say that you will be looking forward to this match as a few others say they hate these dour intense affairs and much prefer an open game where one team easily beats the other with lots of scores and poor defending or tactics.
We're all different I suppose. Many neutrals hated the 2003 AI final between us and Armagh but many enjoyed it for what it was.
Looks like its gonna be another wet miserable day which I think doesn't suit Tyrone.
Are the Tyrone fans staying away in their thousands again this year?
I wonder will Morgan be taking the frees on Sunday? Personally I'd rather see Sean and McCurry take anyones inside 50 yards or maybe take them short. Too often missed frees from Morgan is giving the other team a lift and our heads sink. This is where Mickey fails to show his ruthlessness in my opinion.
Hope Donegal win this to save us from more of Tyrone's puke football!!!
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Hope Donegal win this to save us from more of Tyrone's puke football!!!
Up Donegal!!!!!
Quote from: screenexile on May 13, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
Hope Donegal win this to save us from more of Tyrone's puke football!!!
I can't wait to see Derry enter the fray and enthrall the nation like they did against Dublin!
Me too ScreenExile. I hate watching us play like that. If only we went back to the good old days where we beat teams with 13 men.
Cant wait til we lose that title
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Quote from: screenexile on May 13, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
Hope Donegal win this to save us from more of Tyrone's puke football!!!
If we're puke football then that shambles against Dublin was projectile vomit football ... keep McIver, you're welcome to him (or could he be an agent working from the inside to destroy the inbreds' football once and for all?)
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 13, 2015, 03:46:51 PM
Where you from Tonto?
Interesting that you say that you will be looking forward to this match as a few others say they hate these dour intense affairs and much prefer an open game where one team easily beats the other with lots of scores and poor defending or tactics.
We're all different I suppose. Many neutrals hated the 2003 AI final between us and Armagh but many enjoyed it for what it was.
Looks like its gonna be another wet miserable day which I think doesn't suit Tyrone.
Are the Tyrone fans staying away in their thousands again this year?
I wonder will Morgan be taking the frees on Sunday? Personally I'd rather see Sean and McCurry take anyones inside 50 yards or maybe take them short. Too often missed frees from Morgan is giving the other team a lift and our heads sink. This is where Mickey fails to show his ruthlessness in my opinion.
Maybe you're right here but looking forward to Sunday the only real advantage we hold going into the game is Mickey's experience on the line. I personally hope he goes into the game armed with 3 or 4 tactics which he varies throughout the game. Maybe push right up on them at stages, maybe sit right back with 15 behind the ball and invite them on, maybe play the wings trying to spread their defence or maybe hoof it into a big man like Paudie McNulty on the edge of the square and get lads in around him. The point is, we should mix it up time and again and force an inexperienced manager into making decisions that he hasn't planned for, which may or may not work out.
The worst thing we can do, is do what we've done every time we've played them in the last few years. Drop 12 men back and slowly and laterally build from the back, trying to run through their brick wall. Donegal will eat this up all day long and the players on the pitch will keep Tyrone at arms length without their manager having to speak a word to them. Gallagher, however, may turn out to be a tactical genius, but then again.....
Prediction:
Hopefully we will give it our best shot. It may not be good enough but if we can get an honest performance we can't ask for more. That in itself would be progress from last year. The major advantage of the under 21s success in terms of the seniors for this year will be that it might bring a certain belief back but that will count for little if we dont lay it all on the line against the savage Mc Gees, the workers Mc Hugh, the magical Murphy and the once bitten but not twice shy Mc Brearty. One thing for sure with Donegal it will be tough but as long as we dont disgrace ourselves we will probably take that. I dont fancy our minor set up at all so Id be worried for them on Sunday against a highly rated Donegal squad. Bets of luck to all teams and managements and in particular the legend that is Mickey Harte.
Donegal by 5 but only pulling away in the last 10 minutes after a tight game..
Donegal by 6+ in the minors.
What a great test for Tyrone! Probably everything going against them going into the game. A wet day with the grass not cut yet after winter. McQuillan referring and letting Donegal and Murphy away with everything. It's the place where men stand up and be counted. Handy playing football on a sunny day in Croke Park but these are the games where you test yourself. This will be brutal stuff but as long as Tyrone put it up to Donegal they won't be too far away at the end of the day. Take every chance they can get and hopefully the ref has a good game. Anything can happen. Donegal aren't that much better than Tyrone.
This game feels like the 80s and 90s when you didn't really know what sort of championship Tyrone would have. All-irelands seemed a million miles away but there was always hope and fight. Totally spoiled with the noughties but coming in with no real expectation reminds me of them earlier days. Yes Donegal will be tough but with some fight you never know how things could go. Up the red hands
I've a feeling nobody wants to have a stab at naming Mickeys team. I suspect it will be similar to the last few league games with a half forward line made up of defenders. Where Mattie and Sean plays will be very important. McCurry needs to be shooting a lot more and not be so far down the pitch but then again he will struggle with the lack of space and time on the ball.
I thought Petey had a good league but again where do u play him or do positions really matter any more.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 13, 2015, 10:24:44 PM
I've a feeling nobody wants to have a stab at naming Mickeys team. I suspect it will be similar to the last few league games with a half forward line made up of defenders. Where Mattie and Sean plays will be very important. McCurry needs to be shooting a lot more and not be so far down the pitch but then again he will struggle with the lack of space and time on the ball.
I thought Petey had a good league but again where do u play him or do positions really matter any more.
Asking someone to do the impossible, name the team Mickey will pick, well here goes: (asterisk denotes nailed on starter in that position)
1.Morgan*
2.McCrory*
3.McNamee*
4.McCarron* (if eligible)
5.McNabb
6.Justy
7.Petey*
8.Colm*
9.McNulty*
10.McCann
11.Donnelly
12.Joe
13.McCurry*
14.Big Sean*
15.McShane
Based on the league and injury news you'd have to guess something like this will be named:
Oneill
Mccarron
Mcnamee
Mcrory
Mcnabb
Justy
Harte
Colm
Mcnulty
T McCann
Donnelly
R McKenna
Mccurry
Sean
Mcshane
But I think there will be one or two surprises come Sunday. Few key positional changes and wouldn't rule out at least one shock starter. Not sure McKenna or mcnulty have done enough in recent games to earn a start. The bench will be interesting to see who has been brought in.
McCann would also be lucky to start based on end of league. He could push to half forward and start Niall McKenna in corner who he liked there pre injury. I'm assuming he'll hold Mcaliskey for second half when it might open up a little.
Tyrone are going to win this. Donegal are over the hill but no one knows it yet. McCurry and the Young Guns will burn them up, with Donegal's corner backs spinning. Murphy frustrated and red carded.
There will be a new dawn on Sunday.
Unfortunately Armagh will win the quarter final and go on to lose to Monaghan in the Ulster final. Monaghan will reach the All-Ireland semi but lose to a back-door inspired Mayo who capitulate to Dublin in the final.
2015 will be lauded as the best championship in decades and Brolly will take the credit.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2015, 11:05:56 PM
McCann would also be lucky to start based on end of league. He could push to half forward and start Niall McKenna in corner who he liked there pre injury. I'm assuming he'll hold Mcaliskey for second half when it might open up a little.
Niall McKenna will not get a sniff, I said back in Feb he is in the squad to fulfill in house training games, got an early go in the mckenna cup and league and that will be his chance for the year, mccann will play plenty, he is one of those mickey is trying to bring on and develop but doesn't seem to have told the lad exactly what his job is, he will start but get taken off
ONeill ease of the wine man. Its a school night
I think McKenna could suit this game.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
Based on the league and injury news you'd have to guess something like this will be named:
Oneill
Mccarron
Mcnamee
Mcrory
Mcnabb
Justy
Harte
Colm
Mcnulty
T McCann
Donnelly
R McKenna
Mccurry
Sean
Mcshane
But I think there will be one or two surprises come Sunday. Few key positional changes and wouldn't rule out at least one shock starter. Not sure McKenna or mcnulty have done enough in recent games to earn a start. The bench will be interesting to see who has been brought in.
Haven't seen the in house games so cant comment. That team could be close enough. Injury doubts surround S Cavanagh, and Morgan and Im not sure how fit N Mc Kenna is at all. With Mc Shane the new kid on the block it could be interesting. Injury doubts also surround the mysterious Glenties man who tried to climb up a tree in Garvaghey to watch the training only to find out it was a windmill..
I'm telling ye. Jimmy got out at the right time. The McGees will rage against the dying of the light but like Tyrone V Dublin in 2011 tears will streak down the faces of connoisseurs of old fashioned corner back play as the beast is slain by upstarts with a lot to learn. Tyrone by 4.
Feckit I'm with you O'Neill, I believe we will win.
I dont "think" we are going to win as such because thought implies logic and logic says we should we smothered to death in attack.... again! And Donegal's efficiency upfront is frightening.
However I believe we will win, not hope..... belief. We are gonna do it! I dunno how, but I believe we will find a way.
C'mon Tyrone!
Madmen seen in the hills above Drumqueen. Please do not approach...
On a serious note... If Donegal batter us Ill never shop in Bundoran again.. Fcuk em.
Mickey announces his team tomorrow night after training to the Club Tyrone gathering.
I hear Morgan is out so will be interesting what will be our kickout strategy.
Interesting how Dublin kicked so many first have scores last year outside the blanket wall but don't know have we the players to do that.
Is Justy the man to mark Murphy or who will when's he plays at FF.
All the best to Mickey O Neill, then - a great opportunity for him.
With no free taker maybe Donegal will cut the grass. It dashes their plan A though. Supposedly for Plan B they were thinking of bringing the sidlelines into an oblong shape. I hope Durkin has been practicing the kickouts, Big Sean will be waiting for the wee hop.
Quote from: ONeill on May 13, 2015, 11:18:22 PM
I'm telling ye. Jimmy got out at the right time. The McGees will rage against the dying of the light but like Tyrone V Dublin in 2011 tears will streak down the faces of connoisseurs of old fashioned corner back play as the beast is slain by upstarts with a lot to learn. Tyrone by 4.
O'Neill, whatever you're on, pass it round to the rest of us.
For my part, to hell with diplomacy. If Donegal are in the mood they could win by 8 - 10 pulling up.
Quote from: rrhf on May 14, 2015, 12:21:39 AM
All the best to Mickey O Neill, then - a great opportunity for him.
With no free taker maybe Donegal will cut the grass. It dashes their plan A though. Supposedly for Plan B they were thinking of bringing the sidlelines into an oblong shape. I hope Durkin has been practicing the kickouts, Big Sean will be waiting for the wee hop.
Mickey O'Neill will start but so will Morgan ;)
Quote from: An Watcher on May 13, 2015, 10:22:36 PM
This game feels like the 80s and 90s when you didn't really know what sort of championship Tyrone would have. All-irelands seemed a million miles away but there was always hope and fight. Totally spoiled with the noughties but coming in with no real expectation reminds me of them earlier days. Yes Donegal will be tough but with some fight you never know how things could go. Up the red hands
An watcher - think that is a wee bit cruel against the 80's and 90's lads. In fairness they won quite a few Ulsters in that time and were always seen as a championship team and don't forget - there was no back door then. If back door was available I firmly believe Tyrone would have won an AI before 2003. Even in the early 90's Tyrone lost to Derry, Down and Donegal who were all kingpins at the time but no 2nd chance was allowed. I do agree with your sentiments however that with some fight and spirit on Sunday then you never know what could happen
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 13, 2015, 03:46:51 PM
Where you from Tonto?
Interesting that you say that you will be looking forward to this match as a few others say they hate these dour intense affairs and much prefer an open game where one team easily beats the other with lots of scores and poor defending or tactics.
We're all different I suppose. Many neutrals hated the 2003 AI final between us and Armagh but many enjoyed it for what it was.
Looks like its gonna be another wet miserable day which I think doesn't suit Tyrone.
Are the Tyrone fans staying away in their thousands again this year?
I wonder will Morgan be taking the frees on Sunday? Personally I'd rather see Sean and McCurry take anyones inside 50 yards or maybe take them short. Too often missed frees from Morgan is giving the other team a lift and our heads sink. This is where Mickey fails to show his ruthlessness in my opinion.
Im an Armagh man Fuzz though Ive been living in Manchester for 10 years
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 14, 2015, 10:36:22 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 13, 2015, 10:22:36 PM
This game feels like the 80s and 90s when you didn't really know what sort of championship Tyrone would have. All-irelands seemed a million miles away but there was always hope and fight. Totally spoiled with the noughties but coming in with no real expectation reminds me of them earlier days. Yes Donegal will be tough but with some fight you never know how things could go. Up the red hands
An watcher - think that is a wee bit cruel against the 80's and 90's lads. In fairness they won quite a few Ulsters in that time and were always seen as a championship team and don't forget - there was no back door then. If back door was available I firmly believe Tyrone would have won an AI before 2003. Even in the early 90's Tyrone lost to Derry, Down and Donegal who were all kingpins at the time but no 2nd chance was allowed. I do agree with your sentiments however that with some fight and spirit on Sunday then you never know what could happen
Youse didn't lose to Donegal in the early 90s. In fact we only met the once in the 90s, in 1994, when young Canavan put us to the sword. After that, we didn't meet till 2004.
What the feeling amongst the Donegal faithful?
Would ye be hopeful of winning Sam again?
Have ye improved or gone back a little?
Is all this talk of professionalism a load of tripe or accurate enough
There must be huge changes from say 5 or 6 years ago
I reckon Mickey is going to go for the biggest physical team he can line out and that will probably include Joey and Clarke and probably McShane. He played Ryan McKenna a couple of games at wing forward in the league but I expect him and T.McCann to maybe lose out even though Mickey likes these type of work horse type players.
J70 I'm no grammar expert but for the love of God will you stop using the word Youse or yousins etc.
The big question I suppose we all wonder is can Mickey do anything different or learn anything from previous encounters. That's why I find frustrating as we try the same things or persist with something that obviously isn't working.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 13, 2015, 11:46:46 PM
Feckit I'm with you O'Neill, I believe we will win.
I dont "think" we are going to win as such because thought implies logic and logic says we should we smothered to death in attack.... again! And Donegal's efficiency upfront is frightening.
However I believe we will win, not hope..... belief. We are gonna do it! I dunno how, but I believe we will find a way.
C'mon Tyrone!
Nope, you lot are fooked!
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 14, 2015, 01:46:57 PM
What the feeling amongst the Donegal faithful?
Would ye be hopeful of winning Sam again?
Have ye improved or gone back a little?
Is all this talk of professionalism a load of tripe or accurate enough
There must be huge changes from say 5 or 6 years ago
I reckon Mickey is going to go for the biggest physical team he can line out and that will probably include Joey and Clarke and probably McShane. He played Ryan McKenna a couple of games at wing forward in the league but I expect him and T.McCann to maybe lose out even though Mickey likes these type of work horse type players.
J70 I'm no grammar expert but for the love of God will you stop using the word Youse or yousins etc.
The big question I suppose we all wonder is can Mickey do anything different or learn anything from previous encounters. That's why I find frustrating as we try the same things or persist with something that obviously isn't working.
Speaking for myself, I think we are in a very good place at the moment & Lacey's decision to devote himself 100 to football for the summer speaks of a man who thinks the team has possibilities.
McBrearty has come on leaps & bounds as have McNiallis & McElhinney. We have leaders all over the field & are very comfortable with the system.
Gallagher is the big unknown. How good is he? There were signs in the league that he was intent on opening things up a bit which I welcome but until Sunday we won't know how he is under the pressure of a championship situation.
In many ways Tyrone are a good fixture for us as there will be no hint of complacency even allowing for the league result. Tyrone will give it everything & we'll know a lot more about where Donegal are at after the game.
There's bound to be some amount of pressure on the Donegal players to secure a win. Anything less than a win will suggest everything positive this last few years with the Donegal senior team, has been down the previous manager.
Quote from: sensethetone on May 14, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
There's bound to be some amount of pressure on the Donegal players to secure a win. Anything less than a win will suggest everything positive this last few years with the Donegal senior team, has been down the previous manager.
There's bound to be some amount of pressure on the Tyrone players to secure a win. Anything less than a win will suggest everything negative this last few years with the Tyrone senior team, has been down the present manager.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 14, 2015, 03:50:38 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 14, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
There's bound to be some amount of pressure on the Donegal players to secure a win. Anything less than a win will suggest everything positive this last few years with the Donegal senior team, has been down the previous manager.
There's bound to be some amount of pressure on the Tyrone players to secure a win. Anything less than a win will suggest everything negative this last few years with the Tyrone senior team, has been down the present manager.
There's bound to be some amount of pressure on the Mayo players to secure an All-Ireland. Anything less than that will suggest that they are indeed a bunch of fecking chokers.
Quote from: J70 on May 14, 2015, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 14, 2015, 10:36:22 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 13, 2015, 10:22:36 PM
This game feels like the 80s and 90s when you didn't really know what sort of championship Tyrone would have. All-irelands seemed a million miles away but there was always hope and fight. Totally spoiled with the noughties but coming in with no real expectation reminds me of them earlier days. Yes Donegal will be tough but with some fight you never know how things could go. Up the red hands
An watcher - think that is a wee bit cruel against the 80's and 90's lads. In fairness they won quite a few Ulsters in that time and were always seen as a championship team and don't forget - there was no back door then. If back door was available I firmly believe Tyrone would have won an AI before 2003. Even in the early 90's Tyrone lost to Derry, Down and Donegal who were all kingpins at the time but no 2nd chance was allowed. I do agree with your sentiments however that with some fight and spirit on Sunday then you never know what could happen
Youse didn't lose to Donegal in the early 90s. In fact we only met the once in the 90s, in 1994, when young Canavan put us to the sword. After that, we didn't meet till 2004.
Quite right J70 - we didn't lose specifically to Donegal but the point I was trying to make was that in the early 90's Ulster was dominated by Derry, Down and Donegal who were all AI champions so it was difficult for Tyrone to succeed but that didn't mean they were a bad team and if the back door was in existence then they could have gone much further each year - as could a lot of teams of that era...
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 12, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Cant believe how many of ye are rising to the shit stirring, obviously very worried Dub.
You will notice most other Dubs are keeping their head down and powder dry as they know that this is the only brand of football that will stop them winning Sam again this year.
Anyone that bothers to reply to the eejit are just feeding his fun. Sure he's never once admitted to any of the biting incidents FFS.
Anyway, interesting listening to Paddy Heaney here saying people forget how big strong and physical Donegal are and how they were miles ahead of Tyrone in the league with even the way they make runs at angles to receive passes.
http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/)
I'd say a lot of blanket defence haters will be tuning in as it is the only championship where the result is not a forgone conclusion and you will see a proper championship match with nobody giving an inch or rolling over
(http://www.wallstreetsectorselector.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/rollover1.jpg)
Nice to see Philly Jordan around again and in his usual position! ;)
Quote from: cuconnacht on May 14, 2015, 04:25:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 12, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Cant believe how many of ye are rising to the shit stirring, obviously very worried Dub.
You will notice most other Dubs are keeping their head down and powder dry as they know that this is the only brand of football that will stop them winning Sam again this year.
Anyone that bothers to reply to the eejit are just feeding his fun. Sure he's never once admitted to any of the biting incidents FFS.
Anyway, interesting listening to Paddy Heaney here saying people forget how big strong and physical Donegal are and how they were miles ahead of Tyrone in the league with even the way they make runs at angles to receive passes.
http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/)
I'd say a lot of blanket defence haters will be tuning in as it is the only championship where the result is not a forgone conclusion and you will see a proper championship match with nobody giving an inch or rolling over
(http://www.wallstreetsectorselector.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/rollover1.jpg)
Nice to see Philly Jordan around again and in his usual position! ;)
No I am sure that's a Mayo player rolling over in yet another All-Ireland final.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 14, 2015, 01:46:57 PM
What the feeling amongst the Donegal faithful?
Would ye be hopeful of winning Sam again?
Have ye improved or gone back a little?
Is all this talk of professionalism a load of tripe or accurate enough
There must be huge changes from say 5 or 6 years ago
I reckon Mickey is going to go for the biggest physical team he can line out and that will probably include Joey and Clarke and probably McShane. He played Ryan McKenna a couple of games at wing forward in the league but I expect him and T.McCann to maybe lose out even though Mickey likes these type of work horse type players.
J70 I'm no grammar expert but for the love of God will you stop using the word Youse or yousins etc.
The big question I suppose we all wonder is can Mickey do anything different or learn anything from previous encounters. That's why I find frustrating as we try the same things or persist with something that obviously isn't working.
I've no hope of Sam. Would love another Ulster title and think it's possible, but very difficult.
I think we've gone back a bit since last year. Rory Kavanagh and Leo McLoone are big losses (both in terms of their impact and their size), Thompson has hardly trained with the squad, David Walsh hasn't been available, Declan Walsh has left, Jigger O'Connor started the AI final last year and hasn't been seen since, Paddy McGrath is really struggling for form but other options are limited, Neil Gallagher and Christy Toye are a year older and are slowing down, Mark McHugh is a shadow of his former self.
Not trying to play the poor-mouth, I still think we've a very strong team, but all of the above support my opinion that we've gone back since last year.
Conor Clarke will start and do a man to man on Michael murphy. Morgan will also start - His free taking will be crucial and he needs to be on song. Tyrone are up against the wall in a tight corner and this could be closer than we think...!!
Quote from: Quarterback on May 14, 2015, 06:11:31 PM
Conor Clarke will start and do a man to man on Michael murphy. Morgan will also start - His free taking will be crucial and he needs to be on song. Tyrone are up against the wall in a tight corner and this could be closer than we think...!!
I don't see how anyone would think this
won't be close! There was only two and three points in it in 2011 and 2012, while in 2013 a quickfire 1-3 halfway through the second half was the difference between the teams. I fancy us to sneak it, but all it takes is a mistake along the lines of what Durcan did in the AI final for Tyrone to edge it. Of course, if we, once again, keep Tyrone scoreless for long periods of the second half, we should definitely win, but will their free taking be horrible yet again?
Morgan out injured but Clarke could start.
I'll take a stab at the team;
Morgan / O'Neill
McCrory
Clarke
McCarron
McNamee
Justy
Pete
C Cav
McNulty
McCann
Donnelly
Joe / McNabb
McCurry
Sean
McShane
I'd like to see a few U21s in the squad and given a run. I'm getting more confident as we get closer. Tyrone by 2.
Tyrone 2-10
Donegal 0-6
I think you'll see Mattie start at FF with Sean coming on Second half. I think Mickey will try to frustrate them first half and then go for it more second half with more direct kicking into Sean like we did v Kerry last day
Let's be honest, Jimmy was a bit of a hypnotist. But when Donegal look to the bench during the white heat they'll see a Fermanagh man. A FERMANAGH MAN!
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 14, 2015, 08:44:24 PM
I think you'll see Mattie start at FF with Sean coming on Second half. I think Mickey will try to frustrate them first half and then go for it more second half with more direct kicking into Sean like we did v Kerry last day
For about 3 minutes!
Niall Morgan misses out on Sunday.
Philly Jordan reckons this team won't start on Sunday!
Tyrone team v Donegal USFC 17 May 2015
(Championship Appearances in brackets)
1 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – Appearances 7 (1)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – Appearances 62 (11)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – Appearances 37 (5)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – Appearances 64 (14)
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór – Appearances 38 (8 )
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – Appearances 84 (30)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – Appearances 83 (25)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – Appearances 101 (36)
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn – Appearances 12 (0)
10 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – Appearances 23 (1)
11 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac – Appearances 58 (16)
12 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh – Appearances 19 (2)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – Appearances 39 (13)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh – Appearances 202 (72)
15 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo – Appearances 36 (9)
16 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – Appearances 37 (6)
17 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – Appearances 3 (0)
18 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair – Appearances 1 (0)
19 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh – Appearances 37 (12)
20 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach – Appearances 17 (0)
21 – Danny McBride – An Srath Bán – Appearances 18 (3)
22 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chochair – Appearances 9 (0)
23 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais – Appearances 31 (7)
24 – Joe McMahon – An Omaigh – Appearances 117 (56)
25 – Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill – Appearances 6 (0)
26 – Ronan O Neill – An Omaigh – Appearances 32 (6)
Can't see that team starting.
Why?
Very light on the bench, not many appearances between them. No major shocks overall.
The days of dummy teams appear to be over with these new rules taking affect for this weekend.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/3/1405151343-new-rules-for-team-lists-and-match-day-panels/
One of the more ill conceived rules. Pure dictatorial nonsense from the Ard Comhairle crew
It's utter nonsense
Quote from: Walter White on May 14, 2015, 10:21:43 PM
The days of dummy teams appear to be over with these new rules taking affect for this weekend.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/3/1405151343-new-rules-for-team-lists-and-match-day-panels/
You only have to name your 26. Any of the subs could start.
Quote from: ONeill on May 14, 2015, 09:58:22 PM
Why?
Think we're a bit light in half forwards, could see McShane starting ahead of Tierney or McCann.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 12, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Cant believe how many of ye are rising to the shit stirring, obviously very worried Dub.
You will notice most other Dubs are keeping their head down and powder dry as they know that this is the only brand of football that will stop them winning Sam again this year.
Anyone that bothers to reply to the eejit are just feeding his fun. Sure he's never once admitted to any of the biting incidents FFS.
Anyway, interesting listening to Paddy Heaney here saying people forget how big strong and physical Donegal are and how they were miles ahead of Tyrone in the league with even the way they make runs at angles to receive passes.
http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/)
I'd say a lot of blanket defence haters will be tuning in as it is the only championship where the result is not a forgone conclusion and you will see a proper championship match with nobody giving an inch or rolling over
I can't speak for anyone else but the only I'm afraid of is watching seventy minutes of this sh*te.
God help us all if this is what constitutes a 'proper championship' game.
Maybe being optimistic despite our league relagation. Tyrone put it upto Cork, Kerry and Dublin in the League and hammered Mayo. We have a competitive side and if we can get a result on Sunday we will push on and win Ulster. I think the winners of Sunday will win Ulster. The bookies have already written us off at 9/1 to win ulster.
I dont believe the team named by Micky last night will start. I would love to see Cathal McShane threw in and I can see Joe McMahon starting in the side.
Quote from: heffo on May 15, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 12, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Cant believe how many of ye are rising to the shit stirring, obviously very worried Dub.
You will notice most other Dubs are keeping their head down and powder dry as they know that this is the only brand of football that will stop them winning Sam again this year.
Anyone that bothers to reply to the eejit are just feeding his fun. Sure he's never once admitted to any of the biting incidents FFS.
Anyway, interesting listening to Paddy Heaney here saying people forget how big strong and physical Donegal are and how they were miles ahead of Tyrone in the league with even the way they make runs at angles to receive passes.
http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/)
I'd say a lot of blanket defence haters will be tuning in as it is the only championship where the result is not a forgone conclusion and you will see a proper championship match with nobody giving an inch or rolling over
I can't speak for anyone else but the only I'm afraid of is watching seventy minutes of this sh*te.
God help us all if this is what constitutes a 'proper championship' game.
doesn't get the juices flowing like the upcoming louth v westmeath or offlay v longford leinster clashes, but it should be an absorbing encounter all the same
Quote20 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach – Appearances 17 (0)
How long has Peter been part of the panel now? Think he's 27.
No championship appearances and with the new batch coming off the production line its hard to see him getting any.
Quote from: Under Lights on May 15, 2015, 10:19:44 AM
Quote20 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach – Appearances 17 (0)
How long has Peter been part of the panel now? Think he's 27.
No championship appearances and with the new batch coming off the production line its hard to see him getting any.
Has he not been only about for 2 or 3 seasons?
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 15, 2015, 09:48:26 AM
Maybe being optimistic despite our league relagation. Tyrone put it upto Cork, Kerry and Dublin in the League and hammered Mayo. We have a competitive side and if we can get a result on Sunday we will push on and win Ulster. I think the winners of Sunday will win Ulster. The bookies have already written us off at 9/1 to win ulster.
I dont believe the team named by Micky last night will start. I would love to see Cathal McShane threw in and I can see Joe McMahon starting in the side.
A bit of me is thinking the same. Bar the Monaghan and Donegal games, Tyrone were pretty good in the league and very tight at the back in general. In saying that, Harte hasn't changed and will fall into the same trap as he has before with Donegal. Looking at that Tyrone team doesn't exactly fill you with confidence, 2 defenders named in the HF line and a small/light full forward line. Mickey just doesn't seem to be able to bring the best out in our young talent, no coincidence that the stars of the 04/08/10 minor teams have never got going for the senior team. We are just after winning an All Ireland u-21 title yet there isn't one of that team in this 15, says it all really. I am looking forward to next year already and a fresh start for the county. I am not a betting man but I would near put my house on Tyrone not scoring a goal this weekend, been the same for a few years now with it seemingly being that the players are under instruction to never try and beat their man but instead recycle, recycle and recycle.
Quote from: heffo on May 15, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 12, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Cant believe how many of ye are rising to the shit stirring, obviously very worried Dub.
You will notice most other Dubs are keeping their head down and powder dry as they know that this is the only brand of football that will stop them winning Sam again this year.
Anyone that bothers to reply to the eejit are just feeding his fun. Sure he's never once admitted to any of the biting incidents FFS.
Anyway, interesting listening to Paddy Heaney here saying people forget how big strong and physical Donegal are and how they were miles ahead of Tyrone in the league with even the way they make runs at angles to receive passes.
http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/category/media/interviews/)
I'd say a lot of blanket defence haters will be tuning in as it is the only championship where the result is not a forgone conclusion and you will see a proper championship match with nobody giving an inch or rolling over
I can't speak for anyone else but the only I'm afraid of is watching seventy minutes of this sh*te.
God help us all if this is what constitutes a 'proper championship' game.
Nobody forcing you to watch it. I take it you will be waiting for the free flowing delights of the Leinster, Munster & Connacht championships instead.
Just as a matter of interest, how do you know it will be "sh*te" as you so eloquently put it? Do you have the lotto numbers as well? Or are you, as I suspect, just another spoofer who doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 15, 2015, 09:48:26 AM
Maybe being optimistic despite our league relagation. Tyrone put it upto Cork, Kerry and Dublin in the League and hammered Mayo. We have a competitive side and if we can get a result on Sunday we will push on and win Ulster. I think the winners of Sunday will win Ulster. The bookies have already written us off at 9/1 to win ulster.
I dont believe the team named by Micky last night will start. I would love to see Cathal McShane threw in and I can see Joe McMahon starting in the side.
A bit of me is thinking the same. Bar the Monaghan and Donegal games, Tyrone were pretty good in the league and very tight at the back in general. In saying that, Harte hasn't changed and will fall into the same trap as he has before with Donegal. Looking at that Tyrone team doesn't exactly fill you with confidence, 2 defenders named in the HF line and a small/light full forward line. Mickey just doesn't seem to be able to bring the best out in our young talent, no coincidence that the stars of the 04/08/10 minor teams have never got going for the senior team. We are just after winning an All Ireland u-21 title yet there isn't one of that team in this 15, says it all really. I am looking forward to next year already and a fresh start for the county. I am not a betting man but I would near put my house on Tyrone not scoring a goal this weekend, been the same for a few years now with it seemingly being that the players are under instruction to never try and beat their man but instead recycle, recycle and recycle.
Not many will score goals v Donegal in the championship so doesn't overly concern me if we don't. I'm not sure how you could describe either McAliskey or Cavanagh as small or light in the full forward line. In fairness McCurry is small though has bulked up.
In terms of the half forwards we have named 2 half backs but Peter Harte is named at half back and equally likely to be in the half forward line. I would like to have seen more u21s involved but given they were fully committed to it until 2 weeks ago not to suprised they're not on. Suspect more involvement as year goes on.
Quote from: heffo on May 15, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
I can't speak for anyone else but the only I'm afraid of is watching seventy minutes of this sh*te.
God help us all if this is what constitutes a 'proper championship' game.
Another Jackeen troll! :(
Do yourself a fecking favour and go out and get blocked so, unless you'd rather enthuse over other fare that's on offer.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 15, 2015, 10:50:34 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 15, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
I can't speak for anyone else but the only I'm afraid of is watching seventy minutes of this sh*te.
God help us all if this is what constitutes a 'proper championship' game.
Another Jackeen troll! :(
Do yourself a fecking favour and go out and get blocked so, unless you'd rather enthuse over other fare that's on offer.
He'll be glued to the proper football game between Louth and Westmeath, which will end up 3-21 to 4-19 and miss the point that both teams are incapable of completing many of the fundamental skills of the game under pressure
Lads lads behave yourselves with the poor deprived Dubs.
They have to wait half the summer for an exciting match where the result isn't decided after 20 mins.
They stay in the pub til throw in time, pay in and sing a few soccer songs, match over after 20 mins, then go back to the pub to be told by Brolly and Co. how amazing they are.
They're not allowed out of the city for the safety of the rest of us so when Aug bank holiday comes around they can then get excited for a month.
They've no interest in Ulster rugby league
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 15, 2015, 09:48:26 AM
Maybe being optimistic despite our league relagation. Tyrone put it upto Cork, Kerry and Dublin in the League and hammered Mayo. We have a competitive side and if we can get a result on Sunday we will push on and win Ulster. I think the winners of Sunday will win Ulster. The bookies have already written us off at 9/1 to win ulster.
I dont believe the team named by Micky last night will start. I would love to see Cathal McShane threw in and I can see Joe McMahon starting in the side.
A bit of me is thinking the same. Bar the Monaghan and Donegal games, Tyrone were pretty good in the league and very tight at the back in general. In saying that, Harte hasn't changed and will fall into the same trap as he has before with Donegal. Looking at that Tyrone team doesn't exactly fill you with confidence, 2 defenders named in the HF line and a small/light full forward line. Mickey just doesn't seem to be able to bring the best out in our young talent, no coincidence that the stars of the 04/08/10 minor teams have never got going for the senior team. We are just after winning an All Ireland u-21 title yet there isn't one of that team in this 15, says it all really. I am looking forward to next year already and a fresh start for the county. I am not a betting man but I would near put my house on Tyrone not scoring a goal this weekend, been the same for a few years now with it seemingly being that the players are under instruction to never try and beat their man but instead recycle, recycle and recycle.
To be fair a succession of mangers got f**k all out of those teams at U-21 and how many have set the world alight at Sigerson level or similar?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 15, 2015, 10:45:41 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 15, 2015, 09:48:26 AM
Maybe being optimistic despite our league relagation. Tyrone put it upto Cork, Kerry and Dublin in the League and hammered Mayo. We have a competitive side and if we can get a result on Sunday we will push on and win Ulster. I think the winners of Sunday will win Ulster. The bookies have already written us off at 9/1 to win ulster.
I dont believe the team named by Micky last night will start. I would love to see Cathal McShane threw in and I can see Joe McMahon starting in the side.
A bit of me is thinking the same. Bar the Monaghan and Donegal games, Tyrone were pretty good in the league and very tight at the back in general. In saying that, Harte hasn't changed and will fall into the same trap as he has before with Donegal. Looking at that Tyrone team doesn't exactly fill you with confidence, 2 defenders named in the HF line and a small/light full forward line. Mickey just doesn't seem to be able to bring the best out in our young talent, no coincidence that the stars of the 04/08/10 minor teams have never got going for the senior team. We are just after winning an All Ireland u-21 title yet there isn't one of that team in this 15, says it all really. I am looking forward to next year already and a fresh start for the county. I am not a betting man but I would near put my house on Tyrone not scoring a goal this weekend, been the same for a few years now with it seemingly being that the players are under instruction to never try and beat their man but instead recycle, recycle and recycle.
Not many will score goals v Donegal in the championship so doesn't overly concern me if we don't. I'm not sure how you could describe either McAliskey or Cavanagh as small or light in the full forward line. In fairness McCurry is small though has bulked up.
In terms of the half forwards we have named 2 half backs but Peter Harte is named at half back and equally likely to be in the half forward line. I would like to have seen more u21s involved but given they were fully committed to it until 2 weeks ago not to suprised they're not on. Suspect more involvement as year goes on.
In regards to the above - I think we are lightweight also in FFL. Compare both of these players to other inside forward players and they are lightweight - Paul Geaney 6.0+, Brogan 6.0+, McFadden and McBrearty both 6.0+, Keiran Hughes 6.0+, Colm O Neill 6.0,
I like both McAliskey and McCurry and both of them should always start as they are good scorers but we don't play proper low bouncing ball into them to give them best chance to do damage. Yes, there is sometimes a blanket in front to make it difficult but we make it harder with our slow ponderous build up. Get the ball moving sharper and faster and our 'smaller' guys could do damage.
Hope we do it on Sunday - it would be a great result on back of U21's..
Neither Brogan or Mc Brearty are over six foot.
On a more serious issue, how has Harte not started Mc Shane, the guy is pure quality who can take men and score with a rolls Royce engine. If he isn't one of the best 15 players in tyrone I'm a monkeys uncle, same case as Lavery, fecked about all year until he got scondered being messed about. We won't win, because if you don't play your best players you have no mission.
There's a lot of Tyrone positivity on here which is a nice change. I'm sure the Donegal ones are amazed.
When leaving my kids in to school this morning a Donegal lad I know cycled past me. I beeped and pointed to my Tyrone mirror jersey. He laughed and shouted back it won't be still there on Monday.
Just a matter of showing up is the general consensus.
Quote from: Man Marker on May 15, 2015, 12:51:07 PM
Neither Brogan or Mc Brearty are over six foot.
On a more serious issue, how has Harte not started Mc Shane, the guy is pure quality who can take men and score with a rolls Royce engine. If he isn't one of the best 15 players in tyrone I'm a monkeys uncle, same case as Lavery, fecked about all year until he got scondered being messed about. We won't win, because if you don't play your best players you have no mission.
If I was picking the Tyrone team I'd have McShane in it. Given he was injured in the u21 final maybe this game has come to soon for him to start. Or maybe he is starting and there'll be a late change. Unless you have an insight into whats happening in the squad its hard to know.
What exactly do you mean Lavery was messed about all year? I assume this is PJ Lavery your talking about? As far as I'm aware he was on holidays for much of the McKenna cup and welcomed back afterwards (a lot of counties wouldn't have accepted that from a non established player). He made appearances in most games - obviously Harte saw him as a good impact sub. He did ok coming on. If I was picking the Tyrone team I wouldn't have started him either and I'm sure many others wouldn't have. He was definitely worth his place in the squad and was a good sub to bring on but often people build up players not involved as something they're not. In my opnion he certainly hadn't proven himself as a certain starter and wasn't prepared to stay and fight for his place which was his decision to make but not sure how the blame would lie with the management.
I see the game is now a sell out. Should be a decent atmosphere on Sunday. Really hope a lot of our players produce a big championship game. We need the likes of Harte, Donnelly, McNamme, McNabb and McCarron to really stand up and take the game on come Sunday. To often in recent years we haven't delivered in the big championship games, hopefully this is about to change come Sunday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 15, 2015, 04:06:56 PM
There's a lot of Tyrone positivity on here which is a nice change. I'm sure the Donegal ones are amazed.
When leaving my kids in to school this morning a Donegal lad I know cycled past me. I beeped and pointed to my Tyrone mirror jersey. He laughed and shouted back it won't be still there on Monday.
Just a matter of showing up is the general consensus.
General consensus of who?
Donegal team:
Durcan
McGrath
McGee
McGee
McHugh
Lacey
McGlynn
Gallagher
McElhinney
O'Reilly
MacNiallais
Toye
McBrearty
Murphy
H. McFadden
No matter what way I look at it I can't see us winning. It will be interesting to see if there is a different approach taken this year. Will we try two big men up front for a while and get fast high ball into them? Sean and McShane with McCurry/Bradley around them for scraps or will we see the same laboured running game that Donegal will eat up and spit out?
Very hard to get goals against Donegal and if we're to have a chance we'll either need to hit them hard early and draw them out or hold on tight and nick a goal near the end. Still think they'll hold us at arms length and pull away to win by 3/4.
Anyway, best of luck to the lads and hoping they prove my negativity wrong!
Quote from: J70 on May 15, 2015, 06:51:19 PM
Donegal team:
Durcan
McGrath
McGee
McGee
McHugh
Lacey
McGlynn
Gallagher
McElhinney
O'Reilly
MacNiallais
Toye
McBrearty
Murphy
H. McFadden
Oreilly, the Kilcar man? Big game for him. Is it Mark McHugh in the back unit?
Question for the Tyrone men. When the golden generation won the u21s at the start of the 00s, how many had senior championship football under their belts ?
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2015, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 15, 2015, 06:51:19 PM
Donegal team:
Durcan
McGrath
McGee
McGee
McHugh
Lacey
McGlynn
Gallagher
McElhinney
O'Reilly
MacNiallais
Toye
McBrearty
Murphy
H. McFadden
Oreilly, the Kilcar man? Big game for him. Is it Mark McHugh in the back unit?
Question for the Tyrone men. When the golden generation won the u21s at the start of the 00s, how many had senior championship football under their belts ?
O'Reilly plays for MacCumhaills of Ballybofey.
McHugh in the HB line is Ryan, not Mark. Mark is on the bench.
And while I'm at it, the corner forward is young McFadden of Killybegs, rather than Colm Anthony.
(http://donegalgaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Donegal-Team-to-face-Ulster.jpg)
Michael Boyle
Eamonn Doherty
Anthony Thompson
Colm McFadden
Mark McHugh
David Walsh
Daniel McLaughlin
Ciaran McGinley
Gary McFadden
Eoin McHugh
Stephen Griffen
You look at that subs bench and it's very hard not to see Donegal having issues down the line.
McFadden is a long way off his 2012 form, Thompson is working in another country and McHugh hasn't really regained the form he had before he took his break.
They will have to be extremely fortunate with injuries to be in the mix in September.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2015, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 15, 2015, 06:51:19 PM
Donegal team:
Durcan
McGrath
McGee
McGee
McHugh
Lacey
McGlynn
Gallagher
McElhinney
O'Reilly
MacNiallais
Toye
McBrearty
Murphy
H. McFadden
Oreilly, the Kilcar man? Big game for him. Is it Mark McHugh in the back unit?
Question for the Tyrone men. When the golden generation won the u21s at the start of the 00s, how many had senior championship football under their belts ?
O'Reilly is from Sean MacCumhaills.
Mark McHugh sub, Ryan starting.
It was mcginley I was thinking of, my mistake. brought in by gallagher from his time managing Kilcar. Seemed to find playing senior rough going when I've seen him.
2 hands...that Donegal bench is much stronger than when they won the AI imo
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 15, 2015, 09:25:49 PM
(http://donegalgaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Donegal-Team-to-face-Ulster.jpg)
Michael Boyle
Eamonn Doherty
Anthony Thompson
Colm McFadden
Mark McHugh
David Walsh
Daniel McLaughlin
Ciaran McGinley
Gary McFadden
Eoin McHugh
Stephen Griffen
You look at that subs bench and it's very hard not to see Donegal having issues down the line.
McFadden is a long way off his 2012 form, Thompson is working in another country and McHugh hasn't really regained the form he had before he took his break.
They will have to be extremely fortunate with injuries to be in the mix in September.
Made it last year when McFadden was awful and McHugh absent. Of course, we have lost Kavanagh and McLoone since then. The likes of Hugh McFadden, O'Reilly and Eamon Doherty will have to make the step up for us after decent leagues, but most other counties are in the same boat when it comes to injuries. We've never pretended to have Dublin/Kerry depth. And sure I thought they were all just mindless drones in Jimmy ' s football destroying machine anyway! :p
Decent looking Donegal team - pretty strong all over the pitch. Tyrone need to keep Murphy and McBrearty under control and take our chances including frees which we haven't done in previous meetings.
What is the capacity on Sunday? I assume Donegal will heavily outnumber Tyrone - maybe around 3 to 1. Hadn't heard any talk of the split in tickets. Some went on general sale late (have now sold out) which I assume were sent back by Tyrone.
Donegal over the hill.
Nice wet day.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 15, 2015, 08:41:03 PM
Very hard to get goals against Donegal and if we're to have a chance we'll either need to hit them hard early and draw them out or hold on tight and nick a goal near the end.
Wasn't very hard for Cork to get goals against Donegal in the league semi final however the Donegal defending might improve on Sunday.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2015, 09:42:00 PM
It was mcginley I was thinking of, my mistake. brought in by gallagher from his time managing Kilcar. Seemed to find playing senior rough going when I've seen him.
2 hands...that Donegal bench is much stronger than when they won the AI imo
Totally agree and to my mind that made the victory even better in a sense - the thing is you can get away with for short-time periods but over longer time periods it's going to catch a team. Donegal might "get away with it" again but it just makes it that bit harder.
Obviously I'm mentioning it in comparison to the other top teams (Dublin/Kerry) and especially when you look at through the prism of Donegal's likely path to the final.
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2015, 09:48:27 PM
Donegal over the hill.
Nice wet day.
They're not over the hill yet.....but come Sunday they are going over the cliff!
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 15, 2015, 08:41:03 PM
No matter what way I look at it I can't see us winning. It will be interesting to see if there is a different approach taken this year. Will we try two big men up front for a while and get fast high ball into them? Sean and McShane with McCurry/Bradley around them for scraps or will we see the same laboured running game that Donegal will eat up and spit out?
Very hard to get goals against Donegal and if we're to have a chance we'll either need to hit them hard early and draw them out or hold on tight and nick a goal near the end. Still think they'll hold us at arms length and pull away to win by 3/4.
Anyway, best of luck to the lads and hoping they prove my negativity wrong!
As I said b4 if you apply logic we are gonna be beat out the gate, they appear more experienced, fitter stronger, more skillfull, they beat us all the time, hammered us last time out in fact
However I still believe that that our boys will find a way to win it. Don't over think it just believe it, it can and it will happen
Tyrone Abu!
Hell yeah.
Red Hugh was a balax.
Little Early for the Margaritas Omaghjoe?
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2015, 11:45:39 PM
Hell yeah.
Red Hugh was a balax.
Dam right it was his marauding after Yellow Ford that left us with no support for the march south to Kinsale.
I'm telling ye they've never had their comeuppance for it in Tir Chonaill. On Sunday it shall be delivered!
That's right aye! Its coming for yis
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 15, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
Decent looking Donegal team - pretty strong all over the pitch. Tyrone need to keep Murphy and McBrearty under control and take our chances including frees which we haven't done in previous meetings.
What is the capacity on Sunday? I assume Donegal will heavily outnumber Tyrone - maybe around 3 to 1. Hadn't heard any talk of the split in tickets. Some went on general sale late (have now sold out) which I assume were sent back by Tyrone.
Capacity is 17500 on Sunday, both counties got 7000 tickets with an initial 3500 going on general sale (sold out in 40 minutes) to my knowledge donegal sold their full allocation but Tyrone didn't which led to supervalue and tickets.ie getting more to put on general sale (a lot of donegal clubs were buying these up as their initial allocation didn't cover the demand)
Not even the first round proper in Ulster, and it's a complete sellout... I wonder will the first round in any of (take your pick): Leinster, Munster or Connacht be even close to a full house?! :D ;)
Quote from: donegal lad on May 15, 2015, 11:55:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 15, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
Decent looking Donegal team - pretty strong all over the pitch. Tyrone need to keep Murphy and McBrearty under control and take our chances including frees which we haven't done in previous meetings.
What is the capacity on Sunday? I assume Donegal will heavily outnumber Tyrone - maybe around 3 to 1. Hadn't heard any talk of the split in tickets. Some went on general sale late (have now sold out) which I assume were sent back by Tyrone.
Capacity is 17500 on Sunday, both counties got 7000 tickets with an initial 3500 going on general sale (sold out in 40 minutes) to my knowledge donegal sold their full allocation but Tyrone didn't which led to supervalue and tickets.ie getting more to put on general sale (a lot of donegal clubs were buying these up as their initial allocation didn't cover the demand)
I saw somewhere earlier in the week that there was nearly 2500 season tickets between the counties. Add in the ulster council tickets and based on 17500 capacity I'd say the clubs got around 5500 each. Tyrone presumably didn't sell their allocation. I'd guess we'll bring around 5000 to it.
The season tickets are a great job at rewarding genuine fans of the county teams. If Tyrone got to the all ireland final there would be a fight over 13000 club tickets. Yet we cant sell 5500 for a championship match with a neighbouring county. The same supporters used to slag Kerry for not travelling in big numbers.
Tyrone to win this! Clearly playing possum in the league in Ballybofey. Donegal's inexperienced manager will send them out to take it easy and save energy for the big game v Armagh! The long grass is a good place to be!
Forget about the qualifiers, we need to find a way to win this badly. We have played second fiddle to Donegal for too long now and its time to stand up and fight to become the top team in Ulster again. It's been 7 years since we beat a top 3 or 4 team in the championship and it's time to deliver. Looking at the team we aren't exactly a young team. A lot of players should now be in around their peak years and to many of them have yet to do it on the big stage. Tomorrow is the day we need players to go out and really get stuck in. In to many championship games in recent years when things have went wrong we have lay down and accepted defeat. The old hunger and guts of Tyrone football has been missing.
It looks like we're going to set up defensively which I'm not totally convinced is the best approach. I think we need to push up for the first 20 minutes and really have a go. Both Dublin and Mayo have shown in recent years in championship games that if you go at Donegal early a lead can be built up. If you do this then play with patience its there for the taking. If we sit back like the league game and try to counter in small numbers Donegal will eat up the attacks and they will be happy sitting back and countering.
We have to be better at kickouts tomorrow. To often in the league when teams have pushed up and stopped our short kick outs we've ended up kicking out to a man isolated in the middle. We must be prepared to go back to basics and fight for breaking ball in that area. Similarly if we think possession is important I'm not sure we should let Donegal walk the ball up to our 50. If they do they are capable of scoring from distance and won't miss frees in that area. I really hope for a better refereeing display from McQuillan tomorrow. 2 years ago v Donegal they were aloud to stand directly in front of our free taker for the full game and the ball wasn't moved forward.
Lets hope tomorrow is a coming of age of this current Tyrone team. A big defeat and its a season ender for us. A win and the confidence will leave us hard to beat in Ulster.
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2015, 09:48:27 PM
Donegal over the hill.
Nice wet day.
"Mordor. The one place in Middle-Earth we don't want to see any closer. And it's the one place we're trying to get to. It's just where we can't get. Let's face it, Mr. Frodo, we're lost."
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 15, 2015, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2015, 11:45:39 PM
Hell yeah.
Red Hugh was a balax.
Dam right it was his marauding after Yellow Ford that left us with no support for the march south to Kinsale.
I'm telling ye they've never had their comeuppance for it in Tir Chonaill. On Sunday it shall be delivered!
That's right aye! Its coming for yis
By jesus Omaghjoe inspirational and fearsome stuff,Im in.If Tyrone declares war on Japan or Norway or any1 on the Monday following Im in.Inspirational :)
What a minefield Ulster is. Beat Donegal and you're still in the quarters amongst the buckfast-soaked atmosphere in Armagh. Escape there and it's the inbreds from the Sperrins or the SDLP electorate. Get over that and you're mixing it with the knuckle draggers from Oriel. Better off getting out early and sampling Carrick on Shannon.
Have spent first night behind enemy lines. Have seen evidence of the regime here firsthand. These guys are will drilled guerrillas, battle hardened and bloodthirsty using strap ons for their drills in training. abort the mission. Up against too much firepower. This place stinks.
Quote from: rrhf on May 16, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
Have spent first night behind enemy lines. Have seen evidence of the regime here firsthand. These are will drilled guerrillas in the shape of the lines. My advice to mickey is to abort the mission. More later..
One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its black gates are guarded by more than just orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep. The great eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire, ash, and dust. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly.
Quote from: rrhf on May 16, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
Have spent first night behind enemy lines. Have seen evidence of the regime here firsthand. These are will drilled guerrillas in the shape of the lines. My advice to mickey is to abort the mission. More later..
The fcukers are in cahoots with the North Koreans aren't they?
Quote from: ONeill on May 16, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
What a minefield Ulster is. Beat Donegal and you're still in the quarters amongst the buckfast-soaked atmosphere in Armagh. Escape there and it's the inbreds from the Sperrins or the SDLP electorate. Get over that and you're mixing it with the knuckle draggers from Oriel. Better off getting out early and sampling Carrick on Shannon.
Ulster is the bear pit. Connacht is beer and popcorn by comparison, even with the Roscommon bus
This could be the last report before I go dark. Plenty of fluids in me but need some food.could be a long night. God help me...need to get some food. Ordered a mc curry...cover blown. Tireoghainies abu.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 16, 2015, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 16, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
Have spent first night behind enemy lines. Have seen evidence of the regime here firsthand. These are will drilled guerrillas in the shape of the lines. My advice to mickey is to abort the mission. More later..
One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its black gates are guarded by more than just orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep. The great eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire, ash, and dust. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly.
No need for you to worry about Mordor, not even the Dark Lord could swing a home tie if his team drew the Dubs in the championship.
I can't see any reasonable grounds for the Tyrone optimism on here but its more fun than accepting that we are most likely going to lose to Donegal again. Tyrone 1-11 Donegal 0-12.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 16, 2015, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 16, 2015, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 16, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
Have spent first night behind enemy lines. Have seen evidence of the regime here firsthand. These are will drilled guerrillas in the shape of the lines. My advice to mickey is to abort the mission. More later..
One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its black gates are guarded by more than just orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep. The great eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire, ash, and dust. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly.
No need for you to worry about Mordor, not even the Dark Lord could swing a home tie if his team drew the Dubs in the championship.
I can't see any reasonable grounds for the Tyrone optimism on here but its more fun than accepting that we are most likely going to lose to Donegal again. Tyrone 1-11 Donegal 0-12.
was that not 1-1 to 0-2?
Best of luck to both teams tomorrow. I'll still watch it even though it's likely to behind the couch.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 16, 2015, 09:19:14 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 16, 2015, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 16, 2015, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 16, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
Have spent first night behind enemy lines. Have seen evidence of the regime here firsthand. These are will drilled guerrillas in the shape of the lines. My advice to mickey is to abort the mission. More later..
One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its black gates are guarded by more than just orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep. The great eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire, ash, and dust. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly.
No need for you to worry about Mordor, not even the Dark Lord could swing a home tie if his team drew the Dubs in the championship.
I can't see any reasonable grounds for the Tyrone optimism on here but its more fun than accepting that we are most likely going to lose to Donegal again. Tyrone 1-11 Donegal 0-12.
was that not 1-1 to 0-2?
Best of luck to both teams tomorrow. I'll still watch it even though it's likely to behind the couch.
I would take that in a heartbeat right now Indiana.
Ulster championship on a windy wet day in May, it won't be about how but how many.
This game is all about damage limitation for Tyrone. Donegal by 7+
Quote from: ONeill on May 16, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
What a minefield Ulster is. Beat Donegal and you're still in the quarters amongst the buckfast-soaked atmosphere in Armagh. Escape there and it's the inbreds from the Sperrins or the SDLP electorate. Get over that and you're mixing it with the knuckle draggers from Oriel. Better off getting out early and sampling Carrick on Shannon.
I never thought it would happen, but the day has come when some Tyronies have turned to cowardice rather than face up to the manly challenges of Ulster Championship and would rather mingle with wife beaters in the midlands. If the team of '86 were dead, they would be turning in their graves.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2015, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 15, 2015, 06:51:19 PM
Donegal team:
Durcan
McGrath
McGee
McGee
McHugh
Lacey
McGlynn
Gallagher
McElhinney
O'Reilly
MacNiallais
Toye
McBrearty
Murphy
H. McFadden
Oreilly, the Kilcar man? Big game for him. Is it Mark McHugh in the back unit?
Question for the Tyrone men. When the golden generation won the u21s at the start of the 00s, how many had senior championship football under their belts ?
In 2001 Ulster final Tyrone beat Cavan with 6 u-21s from that year's all Ireland winning team playing a part in key positions too. Kevin Hughes & mcAnallen were midfield, with mcGee in defence, and up front SON at CHF , & Mulligan. mcGuigan came on as sub. No U21's make this year's team so far.
We might get wiped today
Quote from: rrhf on May 17, 2015, 06:15:56 AM
We might get wiped today
That was the first thought that went through my head this morning. It's the word 'might' that sustains a glimmer of hope😉
The one thing I have take from talking to serious donegal football men is that this could be the best ever donegal team and has been meticulously prepared for today. They see an all Ireland and genuinely believe Tyrone haven't a prayer. I don't detect arrogance just absolute belief in their own ability. If harte pulls this off it will be up there with some of his biggest achievements. Safe travel all..cmon Tyrone.
Quote from: rrhf on May 17, 2015, 08:58:37 AM
The one thing I have got talking to serious donegal football men is that this is the best donegal team ever which has been meticulously prepared for today. They see an all Ireland and genuinely believe Tyrone haven't a prayer. I don't detect arrogance just absolute belief in their own ability.
There is a fine line between the two, but I agree, this is the best Donegal team, 1-26, that I have ever seen.
All we have to do now is make it count on the pitch.
I am as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof...........
Come on Donegal, do all the other counties a favour and destroy the most cynical footballing county to ever play the game, as usual with Tyrone there will be off the ball hitting, cynical play in abundance and general dark arts stuff on display. Donegal to win easily as football skill will win out on the day.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 10:09:59 AM
Come on Donegal, do all the other counties a favour and destroy the most cynical footballing county to ever play the game, as usual with Tyrone there will be off the ball hitting, cynical play in abundance and general dark arts stuff on display. Donegal to win easily as football skill will win out on the day.
What a build up !. I'm looking forward to it.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 10:09:59 AM
Come on Donegal, do all the other counties a favour and destroy the most cynical footballing county to ever play the game, as usual with Tyrone there will be off the ball hitting, cynical play in abundance and general dark arts stuff on display. Donegal to win easily as football skill will win out on the day.
;D Do they not teach irony in Donegal schools?
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:18:10 AM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 10:09:59 AM
Come on Donegal, do all the other counties a favour and destroy the most cynical footballing county to ever play the game, as usual with Tyrone there will be off the ball hitting, cynical play in abundance and general dark arts stuff on display. Donegal to win easily as football skill will win out on the day.
;D Do they not teach irony in Donegal schools?
I am not from Donegal or not even near it, its a common consensus throughout the country with people who are disgusted with how Tyrone play the game in such a dirty horrible way. Come on Donegal.
Will be interesting to see how we deal with big Neill Gallagher. Do we stick Colm on him to do a disrupting job and try to get McNulty as isolated as possible to win primary possesion or will McNulty have a straight up fetching match with Gallagher?
Rory Brennan to start on mc Hugh and joe mc Mahon and mc Shane in also. First hand source ;)
Go wan Donegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: the goal was on on May 17, 2015, 11:07:04 AM
Rory Brennan to start on mc Hugh and joe mc Mahon and mc Shane in also. First hand source ;)
Lets see will McShane try to take the head of anyone today with his elbow like he did in the under 21 semi final
Quote from: clarshack on May 16, 2015, 09:40:29 PM
This game is all about damage limitation for Tyrone. Donegal by 7+
Agree here. The league match was only 6 weeks ago and Donegal walloped Tyrone that day.
Quote from: the goal was on on May 17, 2015, 11:07:04 AM
Rory Brennan to start on mc Hugh and joe mc Mahon and mc Shane in also. First hand source ;)
Who do they replace? Tierney and McCann?
See Brolly giving his usual shoeing to Tyrone in the Sindo today. Gives Donegal sufficient love that he can crow about them if they win Ulster or the AI.
Says Fr G McAleer was the tactical mastermind behind Tyrone 2001-5. Sure was it not supposed to be Paddy Tally ::) .....anyone and everyone but Mickey gets credit it would seem.
Haven't seen Tyrone at all this season that i can recollect but league form judging by the table would suggest they're regressing but is there any chance Harte has changed his methods? I'm sure relegation wasn't the plan but is he using the league more as a prep for the Championship than he has in years gone by? there are still some top quality players in there and U-21 form will do no harm. I'm thinking of backing Tyrone at the prices, i expected about 7/4 but 5/2 available is tempting me.
A bit nervous about this. Tight match, one mistake could swing it. Durcan slips, Murphy gets goaded or gets over penalized for a hard tackle...
I don't forsee a collapse like used to regularly happen pre-McGuinness, e.g. 2007 game when we went in as favourites, but this will be tight, and a tight one can go either way.
3-4 point win for us in the end (if one has to make a prediction! )
No need to be nervous J70. Not a formality for Donegal but a good tight season opener for you but you hold all the cards. Home patch, wet day, one of the best players in Ireland (Murphy) a referee that will suit the smarter players on the Donegal side. A 3-4 point hammering for Tyrone on the cards.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 17, 2015, 10:55:32 AM
Will be interesting to see how we deal with big Neill Gallagher. Do we stick Colm on him to do a disrupting job and try to get McNulty as isolated as possible to win primary possesion or will McNulty have a straight up fetching match with Gallagher?
Pull his balls.
Mc nulty v Gallagher in a battle of the skies,sweet lord have mercy!he wouldn't win a single ball
Quote from: ONeill on May 17, 2015, 12:58:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 17, 2015, 10:55:32 AM
Will be interesting to see how we deal with big Neill Gallagher. Do we stick Colm on him to do a disrupting job and try to get McNulty as isolated as possible to win primary possesion or will McNulty have a straight up fetching match with Gallagher?
Pull his balls.
Suck his balls, that wud soon take the legs aff him.
I'll be very disappointed if we don't get at least most of the following today.
i) Rain.
ii) Wind.
iii) A moderately attractive young woman, who more than likely still goes to Mass every week, screeching Amhran na bhFiann out of tune over a faulty public address system.
iv) Defensive systems cancelling each other out.
v) Handpassing, lots of handpassing, preferably in a backwards direction.
vi) Free Presbyterian levels of dourness.
vii) No goals and a winning score of no more than 0-12.
viii) At least one sending-off.
ix) A spectator making a laughably pathetic attempt to assault a player.
x) Pat Spillane talking about the death of Gaelic football.
xi) Forum posters vilifying the referee afterwards.
The above 11 elements sum up the true Ulster championship experience.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 17, 2015, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on May 17, 2015, 11:07:04 AM
Rory Brennan to start on mc Hugh and joe mc Mahon and mc Shane in also. First hand source ;)
Who do they replace? Tierney and McCann?
I believe they will replace McCann and McNulty. Both likely to be used as impact subs
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/players-time-is-too-precious-to-be-squandered-31228785.html
In this weekend's five games, the favourites were priced at 1/8, 1/2, 5/6, 1/16 and 1/2. In next weekend's three football games, you can back the favourites at 8/15, 8/13 and 1/20. These are supposedly two-horse races. Is it any wonder that only three out of the first 12 football championship games are being televised?
Good day to be one of the Buckfast Brigade. Can't wait to settle in with a chilly cider or a fresh orange ade to watch a good old slobber fest. On paper, it's all Donegal, except that we're not playing noughts and crosses (aside, of course, from the noughts on the scoreboard and the crosses strewn all around the field to indicate the manly clashes). It's the first round of the Ulster Championship, and summer has now begun. It'll be a great match, whether wide open or blanketed. Neutrality nullifies nervousness, so all geared up for the throw in. Hope the ref plays a blinder.
Donegal 1-6 Tyrone 0-8 in the minors, 7 minutes into second half
have a VIPbox link going but its not showing anything at the moment
Anywhere else showing it?
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 03:12:41 PM
Donegal 1-6 Tyrone 0-8 in the minors, 7 minutes into second half
Great result for gaa in the minor game, a six point win for Donegal.
Excellent.
Quote from: thejuice on May 17, 2015, 03:42:04 PM
have a VIPbox link going but its not showing anything at the moment
Anywhere else showing it?
BBC NI, Gaago.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 03:12:41 PM
Donegal 1-6 Tyrone 0-8 in the minors, 7 minutes into second half
Great result for gaa in the minor game, a six point win for Donegal.
Excellent.
It will be a double for them today.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 17, 2015, 03:52:20 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 03:12:41 PM
Donegal 1-6 Tyrone 0-8 in the minors, 7 minutes into second half
Great result for gaa in the minor game, a six point win for Donegal.
Excellent.
It will be a double for them today.
Hopefully, anything to speed up the demise of Tyrone and their destruction of gaa football the better
Quote from: armaghniac on May 17, 2015, 03:50:19 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 17, 2015, 03:42:04 PM
have a VIPbox link going but its not showing anything at the moment
Anywhere else showing it?
BBC NI, Gaago.
Cheers got BBCNI2 on.
forgot I could get that channel on the box here.
Quote from: thejuice on May 17, 2015, 03:58:40 PM
Cheers got BBCNI2 on.
forgot I could get that channel on the box here.
I thought you'd be watching it regular.
Why does McBreaety never get pulled for over carrying!!!!
Quote from: CD on May 17, 2015, 04:04:13 PM
Why does McBreaety never get pulled for over carrying!!!!
No player ever gets pulled unless they are surrounded by players and don't release!
fuckkkkkkk itttttttttt
Well that didn't take long did it before the dark arts started by the fullback, yellow card, somethings never change, come on Donegal!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 17, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: CD on May 17, 2015, 04:04:13 PM
Why does McBreaety never get pulled for over carrying!!!!
No player ever gets pulled unless they are surrounded by players and don't release!
Agreed. Rarely enforced in open play and McBrearty, who takes very short, quick steps, uses that to his advantage.
Donegal defence somewhat porous.
Great to see the chip up by Harte.
Tyrone up to there usual trash talking I see,of course saint Mickey is against this behaviour!!
Kavanagh still at his diving antics.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2015, 04:27:03 PM
Kavanagh still at his diving antics.
One of many in the game. Just that he has got a name for it!
some pathetic bull shit going on to try get Murphy sent off,
Typical hateful Tyrone bastards!!
I can't believe a forward can be deemed to have 'done the right thing' by punching the ball over the bar when 10 yards out! That's the first rule that needs changed in Gaelic football!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 17, 2015, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2015, 04:27:03 PM
Kavanagh still at his diving antics.
One of many in the game. Just that he has got a name for it!
In fairness when you're that big and you're flying to the ground more times than a crow people are going to pick up on it.
Dirty act by Murphy there trying to take cavanagh out of it.
Things not quite going to script here for Donegal.
Quote from: cockahoop on May 17, 2015, 04:32:00 PM
Typical hateful Tyrone b**tards!!
No fan of Tyrone, but Donegal are just as bad. Joe McQuillan hasn't got a clue. Christy Toye with a dirty cheap shot dservedly yellow carded. Michael Murphy throwing his usual cheap shots as well. Gets away with it because of his name!
No way this finishes without a red card
Lacey not exacting doing much for the cause of the professional footballer - Harte getting a world of joy out of him
Gallagher lucky to be given yellow.
Quote from: dublin7 on May 17, 2015, 04:35:49 PM
No way this finishes without a red card
This half or the game ???
How's that not a black card for Gallagher?
Tyrone keeper with the roughest challenge of the day on Mattie Donnelly after the goal..
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 17, 2015, 04:36:39 PM
Gallagher lucky to be given yellow.
Very very fortunate.
Half-time scenes........anyone in the land surprised?
Donegal no. 13 some pr**ck. Roaring in defenders face after the goal
What Joe McMahon think he playing at>??
Usual lovely friendly stuff from the nordies, but what esle do we expect.
Half time scene
After last year in Armagh
Let's see who is suspended
Armagh and Cavan will watch that one with vested interest after the ban parade fiasco
Trash talking, trying to get opponents sent off, cynical play, dark arts, topped off by the scenes at half time, just typical Tyrone really
You wouldn't see that craic at a Connacht championship match ;)
I thought Donegal would blown them out of it after the first15 mins but a relative sucker punch goal got their tails up and they got back into the game well.
I still think Donegal are by far the better team and if they come out in the same vein in the second half as they did they'll blow Tyrone away especially with the breeze.
PS. A decent game
Looks like Joe McMahon mouthing at Murphy, G Tyrone must be really afraid of him. Mickey Harte got no discipline of this team?
What was McMahon at? He started that nonsense after Harte had most of the players called back.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2015, 04:43:10 PM
Looks like Joe McMahon mouthing at Murphy, G Tyrone must be really afraid of him. Mickey Harte got no discipline of this team?
Looked like the Horse was heavily involved as well!!
A nasty streak running through this game. It's close to getting out of control. A red card or two needed early if this carries on.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 17, 2015, 04:35:32 PM
Things not quite going to script here for Donegal.
They were never going to.
Need to up the performance after losing the midfield for the last ten minutes. Short kickouts getting us in bother too from the Tyrone pressure.
Happy to be 2 points up after playing against the wind and being pinned in our own half for 10 minutes, but need a big improvement and need to start pushing out a bit and speeding things up.
Mc Quillan and his team have failed Murphy, fouled persistently off the ball, physically and verbally, not a jot done.
Rewinded 'er back, all came from Cavanagh & McGee
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 04:41:36 PM
Trash talking, trying to get opponents sent off, cynical play, dark arts, topped off by the scenes at half time, just typical Tyrone really
No doubt only Tyrone ::) - Donegals manager is pretty good at the old trash talking and dark arts himself! All a bit of hand bags - sets up the second half nicely. I'm happy with how Tyrone have played so far.
Cracking half of football, I'd say there's very few watching this one from behind the sofa. Donegal's handling and movement superior to Tyrones but our tacking and pressure is a lot better in the opposing half. Petey Harte is brilliant out there.
Quote from: Chimley on May 17, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
A nasty streak running through this game. It's close to getting out of control. A red card or two needed early if this carries on.
McQuillan had an opportunity to wave a black twice or three times (would have been a bit harsh, but would have been arguable) - in a game like this in these conditions he should have absolutely jumped on this.
Also his reffing of the throw ball has been a car crash - all players bar the 2 contesting should be 13m back instead he's letting them stand right there - this has directly led to further incidents.
Joe McMahon a sub , shouldn't be anywhere near it, and what Devlin was thinking, he def pick up a suspension.
O Neill wasn't to happy with Mattie Donnelly with the goal, Donnellys man scored it
Quote from: AFS on May 17, 2015, 04:49:08 PM
Multiple suspensions and a five grand fine each to be expected after those HT scenes. That was the standard set after the Athletic Grounds last summer. You can trust the GAA to be consistent about these sorts of things, can't you?
Hope so
Quote from: AFS on May 17, 2015, 04:49:08 PM
Multiple suspensions and a five grand fine each to be expected after those HT scenes. That was the standard set after the Athletic Grounds last summer. You can trust the GAA to be consistent about these sorts of things, can't you?
But there wasn't a punch thrown?
The only punch thrown last year was by the Armagh fan from the sideline
It was just a scramble to get Eamon McGee's Gareth Brooks tickets is all.
Surprisingly excellent game, high quality football and Tyrone have obviously set out their stall not to be bullied as they seem to be the team instigating the afters. Karl Lacey has struggled and Tyrone have had joy running through the centre of Donegals defence with Harte and Donnelly in particular playing very well. Donegal have a lot of older players and this could well tell as the game goes on. The customary dust up at half time only adds to the intrigue for the 2nd half.
There's some bleating ball-bags on this thread expressing their outrage! The DUP would be proud of members like them! ☺
terrible service from gaago.ie gaels deserve better than this shit unwatchable
The black card is dead (unless Cavanagh pulls somebody back)-only really lasted half a season.
Defending for both goals was very very poor.
Have the Jackeen trolls dared to venture from behind their sofas yet?! :D
Great game so far. Tyrone holding in there, looked like they'd be ahead at half time. Looking forward to the second half. Still expect Donegal to win, but they are (as usual) finding Tyrone to shake off!
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 04:41:36 PM
Trash talking, trying to get opponents sent off, cynical play, dark arts, topped off by the scenes at half time, just typical Tyrone really
Both teams are as committed as each other. Personally I think it's great. Fair play to tyrone for not rolling over. At least they are getting stuck in and making a game of it. Hard to beat the Ulster championship.
That goal for Tyrone today was their first I think against Donegal in the championship since 2007. The defending on both goals was poor defending. Pat and Joe are happy enough on RTE.
Sean has a right fat lip on him do must have taken a smack at some point!
Did Harte just bring a young lad off after 6 minutes action? Granted he was poor but 6 minutes!!
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2015, 05:09:21 PM
Did Harte just bring a young lad off after 6 minutes action? Granted he was poor but 6 minutes!!
McShane? He started.
Mc brearty's goal finishing needs a lot of work
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 17, 2015, 04:57:04 PM
Have the Jackeen trolls dared to venture from behind their sofas yet?! :D
Too busy watching the United game
Donegal struggling with the Clonoe Conundrum here!
Anyone else thinking replay when that leveller went over?
It's like a game where a controversial decision will be the difference.
What's a "fair push" Marty?
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
Mc brearty's goal finishing needs a lot of work
Wonder did he have any comments for his marker after that effort. Should have passeds to McFadden.
McQuillan has obviously decided black cards don't apply today. The professional footballer should have got one there for his hit on the Tyrone player
Quote from: dublin7 on May 17, 2015, 05:20:49 PM
McQuillan has obviously decided black cards don't apply today.
He clearly left his black card at home today.
O'Neill for MOTM ?
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 17, 2015, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 17, 2015, 05:20:49 PM
McQuillan has obviously decided black cards don't apply today.
He clearly left his black card at home today.
Just after finding his Red Card!
Sean at the usual tricks.
That black card is ridiculous given the previous tackles in the game.
Big Neil obviously took Sean's hair dye of him
2 mins later what goes around comes around
Tyrone have bottled this big time. Cavanagh has been very poor......and now he's gone!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 05:33:44 PM
That black card is ridiculous given the previous tackles in the game.
McQuillan doing the old evening up act
Thats a harsh sending off for Cavanagh. Karma ;D
Oh look he's found his Black Card! And Sean gets out foxed by his own tricks!
What an absolute disgrace Tyrone are to the brilliant game of GAA, they have ruined the game, typical Cavanagh there
No need for the hooter
Would be interesting to see how much the ball has been in play the last 10 minutes?
The second half was more as we expected. Good enough for Cavanagh after getting Gallagher sent off!!!
Donegal showed glimpses and when they did they looked like they could have run riot. Tyrone lack that quality though and Donegal deserved winners!
McQuillan has allowed Donegal to take over the refereeing!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 17, 2015, 05:32:46 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 17, 2015, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on May 17, 2015, 05:20:49 PM
McQuillan has obviously decided black cards don't apply today.
He clearly left his black card at home today.
Just after finding his Red Card!
Martin Carney should be retired. Hasn't got a clue. McQuillan has lost the plot as well. All sorts going on off the ball & he does nothing. Karma just visited Sean Cavanagh. Barely a foul for his red/black card. Donegal players sprint to the referee to demand red card was disgusting. Mark McHugh must be hoarse from all his roaring in the Tyrone players faces
Donegal's sledging is a disgrace. Gutter stuff.
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2015, 05:36:01 PM
The second half was more as we expected. Good enough for Cavanagh after getting Gallagher sent off!!!
Donegal showed glimpses and when they did they looked like they could have run riot. Tyrone lack that quality though and Donegal deserved winners!
Either you are on the wind up with that or you are so anti Tyrone that you can't even see at this stage!
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2015, 05:36:01 PM
The second half was more as we expected. Good enough for Cavanagh after getting Gallagher sent off!!!
Donegal showed glimpses and when they did they looked like they could have run riot. Tyrone lack that quality though and Donegal deserved winners!
Gallagher got himself sent off - he's always at that sh*t and thankfully he got caught. Bit of a muppet to be doing it when he's on a yellow. Looks like it won't matter now
Disgusting behaviour from both teams, no sportsmanship whatsoever, bad for the game.
Lads Gallagher got the red he deserved, clearly started the scuffle by pulling on Sean's glove, it's all on video
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 17, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Donegal's sledging is a disgrace. Gutter stuff.
Poor sensitive souls in Tyrone will be offended by that chat ::).
some slabbering going on there with the McGees and M McHugh, did footballers mouth that much back in the 90`s?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 17, 2015, 05:38:14 PM
Disgusting behaviour from both teams, no sportsmanship whatsoever, bad for the game.
if you're apportioning blame then its 80:20 against Donegal imo. Horrible team with their non stop yapping and running after the ref etc. They've a tough road in ulster ahead of them and please god someone catches them out
Woo hoo, great result, justice for the game of gaelic football, the most cynical and dirtiest team to ever play the game are out, hopefully the media will rightly slate them tomorrow for what they are.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 17, 2015, 05:38:14 PM
Disgusting behaviour from both teams, no sportsmanship whatsoever, bad for the game.
A plague on both their houses.........but that's enough about McQuillan
Good first half- tragic second half.
Both teams ought to be ashamed of themselves for the verbals that went on. Has no place in the game.
Thought Donegal were good but the team is getting old.
I think Tyrone should be reasonably happy - a step in the right direction but still a long way off previous tyrone teams.
Great game. No love lost as you would expect. Both teams will be hard beat in the Championship!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 17, 2015, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 17, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Donegal's sledging is a disgrace. Gutter stuff.
Poor sensitive souls in Tyrone will be offended by that chat ::).
Tyrone obviously do it but Mchugh was a disgrace when he came on. Should be allowed hit a lad a free box for it.
Rory Gallagher really is a despicable little p***k.
A lot of scummy looking behaviour there and mostly from Donegal. Maybe it's the new norm, but it's the first time i really noticed it - McGee boys in particular.
Some reaction to someone pulling on your glove, grab the man by the jersey neck level, knowing he was on a yellow card tuht tuh!!
Quote from: trileacman on May 17, 2015, 05:39:31 PM
Lads Gallagher got the red he deserved, clearly started the scuffle by pulling on Sean's glove, it's all on video
Either trying to shake his hand or break his finger. McFadden man of the match for me, hope Tyrone take some positives from that.
Could this be another Tyronie 100 page special ?
1st half was entertaining, but 2nd half was everything that is horrible about Ulster football. Donegal parked the bus & offered very little going forward. Constant verbals (especially Donegal) cynical fouling, weak referee didn't help either
Both teams a disgrace. Donegal moreso, mouthy pricks. Not good for young folk watching that gibbering in a game.
Gallagher is a dick it, he was feeling up kavanaghs testicles or something before the sending off.
Serious verbals whole way through, McGee brothers to the fore as usual,
Goal before h/t and once again missed frees prove costly for Tyrone. No doubt McCurry will score frees from every angle for edendork in the upcoming club championship.
Very entertaining game in which both sides gave everything. Well done Donegal and hands shaken at the end. Now we'll leave the whinging to those who've never kicked a ball. Put Up That Flag, Wild Weasel and Naka can lead the way...
The number 4 mcgee isn't actually that bad. Gallagher and cavanagh both very naiave to get sent off.
Quote from: Minder on May 17, 2015, 05:45:42 PM
Could this be another Tyronie 100 page special ?
Just waiting for the excuses to start...
2/1 it was the Refs fault..
Plenty of positives for Tyrone from that. Regroup and head around Ireland blooding new players along the way. Good hard proper game of football.
Edit: it was the refs fault
probably be a another 100page we could have won thread, don't know why that clonoe lad ain't in nets all the time, way better proper keeper than the other lad. Seriously though was there not talk of mouthing been a black card offence or that just mouthing at the ref, 10 men could go with all the slabbering. that game probably should seen 4 black card, a good tight game but you not seen that that shit the day go on down south.
Dismal doldrums of a second half. Murphy virtually invisible, except for the three times he wasn't. Strangely found myself pulling for Tyrone. Not exactly enthralled with the idea of meeting this Donegal outfit on June 14. They did nothing remarkable, but their glacier power and persistence would wear anyone down.
No excuses lads. Great to take it to the wire after the opening 10 minutes. Although it followed a predictable formula once Donegal got their noses in front. Martin Carney a pure ballox shouldn't be allowed near a microphone.
Peter Harte playing deeper in the second half lost some of the momentum but Donegal are a well drilled machine.
Few interesting decisions from McQuillan both ways but the deciding factor was Donegal
Are better right now.
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on May 17, 2015, 05:46:45 PM
Serious verbals whole way through, McGee brothers to the fore as usual,
I'd have to agree they were a disgrace today as was Mc Mahon Jnr for Tyrone
Anyone with an issue with the intensity has obviously never seen an Ulster Championship game before. Some very sensitive soccer boys on this thread. Enjoyed the first half, second was a bit limp as Donegal drifted all 15 behind the ball and Tyrone just didn't have the players inside to get into space and win 50/50s. The Magees are the most effective lads at what they do in the country. The way Donegal break at speed and are clinical in taking their chances is unbelievable.
the big talking point for me is how poor the refereeing was throughout. I think Donegal got the worst of his dithering.
Quote from: straightred on May 17, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 17, 2015, 05:38:14 PM
Disgusting behaviour from both teams, no sportsmanship whatsoever, bad for the game.
if you're apportioning blame then its 80:20 against Donegal imo. Horrible team with their non stop yapping and running after the ref etc. They've a tough road in ulster ahead of them and please god someone catches them out
Come on, both of them at it. Watch it back.
First half was actually decent then all hell breaks loose before they reach the tunnel and the verbal diaraeha starts for the whole second half. I'm not kiddin ya something very wrong with the attitude of some of the teams in Ulster . No need for it at all . I ask you a serious question , if Donegal didn't engage in the verbal stuff and the constant niggling would they have lost the game?
Any day Tyrone lose is a great day, an absolute disgrace to gaelic football
There will not be a better game in any of the other 3 Provinces this year! It may not what you necessarily want to see, but it is a sight better than the hidings you'll see in the other provinces!
Best team won on the day, Tyrone had chances to nick a draw or maybe win it but always felt Donegal had that bit of extra gear
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 17, 2015, 05:54:14 PM
There will not be a better game in any of the other 3 Provinces this year! It may not what you necessarily want to see, but it is a sight better than the hidings you'll see in the other provinces!
The second half was dreadful. There will be better games. When both teams want to play football they can. But when they make no effort like the second half it's like watching paint dry
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 17, 2015, 05:54:14 PM
There will not be a better game in any of the other 3 Provinces this year! It may not what you necessarily want to see, but it is a sight better than the hidings you'll see in the other provinces!
I really hope you're wrong or else we are looking at a poor championship , second half today was rubbish . Don't let high level of intensity from both the pitch and stands fool you into thinking it means there was quality football on display .
Cork v Kerry , Galway v Mayo will both be better quality games.
Colm 'manliness' O'Rourke looked totally pissed off with Brolly there.
Very cynical second half by both teams. Think McQuillan got the sending offs right in that both should have gone but Cavanagh should have had a second yellow as opposed to a black card. The most annoying think about the whole thing is I reckon if both teams focused on football instead of this whole 'Ulster championship' mentality thing then they are actually two very talented teams. Too much testosterone involved this days, I wonder if teams are overdosing on whey protein or something like that? Donegal to beat Armagh by 8 next time out
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 17, 2015, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 17, 2015, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 17, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Donegal's sledging is a disgrace. Gutter stuff.
Poor sensitive souls in Tyrone will be offended by that chat ::).
Tyrone obviously do it but Mchugh was a disgrace when he came on. Should be allowed hit a lad a free box for it.
I agree, well maybe not free but if there is too much of it I am of theopinion that somethings are more important than football, same thing on the street would you let someone away with it because you were worried about a fine? I wouldn't
Some footage of the half-time stupidity.
http://balls.ie/gaa/34164-donegal-tyrone-ugly-scenes/
http://balls.ie/gaa/315645-tyrone-donegal-kid/
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 17, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
Very cynical second half by both teams. Think McQuillan got the sending offs right in that both should have gone but Cavanagh should have had a second yellow as opposed to a black card. The most annoying think about the whole thing is I reckon if both teams focused on football instead of this whole 'Ulster championship' mentality thing then they are actually two very talented teams. Too much testosterone involved this days, I wonder if teams are overdosing on whey protein or something like that? Donegal to beat Armagh by 8 next time out
Agree. Armagh always knew Donegal would be tough. But I don't think there was anything new today to be afraid off. The quality of the man-to-man marking of the Donegal inside forwards was good today. Can Armagh match that? The lack of scorable frees conceded by Tyrone was impressive - Can Armagh match that?
Gallagher's second yellow card was one of the worst acts of stupidity I have seen on a pitch for some time.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 17, 2015, 05:54:14 PM
There will not be a better game in any of the other 3 Provinces this year! It may not what you necessarily want to see, but it is a sight better than the hidings you'll see in the other provinces!
Surely you've got to be winding the Ulster lads up.
Quote from: Over the Bar on May 17, 2015, 05:48:14 PM
Very entertaining game in which both sides gave everything. Well done Donegal and hands shaken at the end. Now we'll leave the whinging to those who've never kicked a ball. Put Up That Flag, Wild Weasel and Naka can lead the way...
Sch now I kicked the odd ball in my time
Alas did have to retire when I got close to 40.
Mark McHugh is a right little shit, he feck off to the states last year, i wonder why they brought him back on the panel all he done today was shout into players face, but i have no fear he will meet his waterloo later in the summer.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 17, 2015, 05:53:25 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 17, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 17, 2015, 05:38:14 PM
Disgusting behaviour from both teams, no sportsmanship whatsoever, bad for the game.
if you're apportioning blame then its 80:20 against Donegal imo. Horrible team with their non stop yapping and running after the ref etc. They've a tough road in ulster ahead of them and please god someone catches them out
Come on, both of them at it. Watch it back.
Not saying Tyrone werent at it and may have been worse in previous games but no doubt Donegal were at it way worse today.
As I said before a good solid box in the mouth should be delivered to anyone who is at it, it would make the offenders think twice.
That was a great Ulster game. Not for the faint hearted. A throwback to the 80s. Justin did a brilliant job on Murphy. McShane caught in the headlights.
Great stuff.
Went pretty much as expected. Very good first half, second was a grind, and I thought we always looked like just about having enough as long as we didn't allow another goal. Similar to Kerry against us in last year's AI final - we might have nicked the draw in the end, but Kerry just about shaded it. The two sending offs were deserved, but that was not a dirty game. The mouthing has been part of it for years, and sure people were crying about the Dubs doing it four or five years ago. Christ there was even an interview a while back with Star Donaghy on his mouthing habits!
On the one hand, I'm glad we got a tough game, but on the other, we have a lot to work on, and it is possible that the age factor may be catching up with a few players. Hopefully Lacey's sabbatical helps him iron out the mistakes he made today. The game overall was quite similar to the Armagh one last year, and I would expect things to go similarly the next day. Don't think today's performance would be enough, but on the other hand, we won a tough game despite not having our scoring forwards too involved.
The half time stuff was stupid, but its a wonder it doesn't happen more often in Ballybofey with players and management from both teams stepping in each other's way to get down those narrow steps.
Senior and minor wins for Donegal against Tyrone can't ask for much more than that and both sides could retain their Ulster titles. Tyrone seniors gave a good account of themselves on the day and reaching All Ireland quarter final would be seen as a fine achievement now.
Fair play to Donegal, they are just a better team than Tyrone at the minute and won as they were expected to do, possibly keeping Tyrone at arms length as they have done for 4 years. As for the mouthing, cynical play etc, ffs, it's nothing new and is always going to happen when you stick 30 men on a small field and ask them to chase a ball around for their county. Those who thrive are the truly great players - stand up Micheal Murphy, poor enough throughout, took a load of shit but stepped up and hit a few class points to win the game. Ultimately this was the difference between the teams. Plenty of positives for Tyrone, if we can continue to improve, blood a few more U21s and get a few breaks along the way, then we could be formidable enough opposition in an All Ireland quarter final. The season has just begun - bring on Leitrim!!
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Quote from: From the Bunker on May 17, 2015, 05:54:14 PM
There will not be a better game in any of the other 3 Provinces this year! It may not what you necessarily want to see, but it is a sight better than the hidings you'll see in the other provinces!
I really hope you're wrong or else we are looking at a poor championship , second half today was rubbish . Don't let high level of intensity from both the pitch and stands fool you into thinking it means there was quality football on display .
Cork v Kerry , Galway v Mayo will both be better quality games.
Last year both these games were over before half time. Hope I'm wrong as well.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 06:32:34 PM
Fair play to Donegal, they are just a better team than Tyrone at the minute and won as they were expected to do, possibly keeping Tyrone at arms length as they have done for 4 years. As for the mouthing, cynical play etc, ffs, it's nothing new and is always going to happen when you stick 30 men on a small field and ask them to chase a ball around for their county. Those who thrive are the truly great players - stand up Micheal Murphy, poor enough throughout, took a load of shit but stepped up and hit a few class points to win the game. Ultimately this was the difference between the teams. Plenty of positives for Tyrone, if we can continue to improve, blood a few more U21s and get a few breaks along the way, then we could be formidable enough opposition in an All Ireland quarter final. The season has just begun - bring on Leitrim!!
Agree with Benny - we played better than expected but still fell short. Why take McAliskey off when we need scores and him flying? Thought we had a lot of good performances but ran out of ideas in 2nd half when it was needed. Qualifiers possibly better option for us anyway and we blood McGeary, Bradley and others along the way. McCurry disappointed again but he will hit 2-15 for 'dork this week when they are cruising against somebody.
Murphy proved his quality and legend status when it mattered - don't say they were only free-kicks - if we had scored ours we would have won. With limited involvement, no previous shot attempts he then hits last 3 scores of the game including 2 45's - a class act.
Think Tyrone will get to Croker for sure if we can stay injury free and with the rub of the green. Lot of spirit today which was very pleasing.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 06:32:34 PM
Fair play to Donegal, they are just a better team than Tyrone at the minute and won as they were expected to do, possibly keeping Tyrone at arms length as they have done for 4 years. As for the mouthing, cynical play etc, ffs, it's nothing new and is always going to happen when you stick 30 men on a small field and ask them to chase a ball around for their county. Those who thrive are the truly great players - stand up Micheal Murphy, poor enough throughout, took a load of shit but stepped up and hit a few class points to win the game. Ultimately this was the difference between the teams. Plenty of positives for Tyrone, if we can continue to improve, blood a few more U21s and get a few breaks along the way, then we could be formidable enough opposition in an All Ireland quarter final. The season has just begun - bring on Leitrim!!
Correct, the mouthing and cynical dirty play is a normal part of the game for ye, its the only way ye can win things, like the under 21, I didn't see McShane trying to decapitate anyone with his elbows today which is a change after hisunder 21 campaign
Lads anyone who thinks sledging is a new thing in the GAA should have their heads examined. Here's 20 year old proof that it's been around donkey's year's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guT76kAPYs0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guT76kAPYs0) "Insult his grandmother"
It's not nice and something that is reprehensible but to suggest Donegal are the sole purveyors of it or that Tyrone created it before them It's been around for years. As for the "ugly scenes", yeah they're not great and Joe, Gavin Delvin and Rory Gallagher were primarily at fault, grand footballers but wouldn't have the f**king brains to light a match between the 3 of them, distinctly obvious at half-time. Again nothing to be proud of but no real digs in it all, just a load of handbags. If you want to see what ugly scenes really are look at some of the blows that go on in Rugby League or Union, the supposed dominion of the gentleman. No one bitten this year though in Ballybofey, always a positive.
Great first half, Donegal smothered it in the 2nd as is their will. McAliskey was very quiet the first half but our best player the 2nd. The Cavanaghs fought very hard in the engine room and bar the red couldn't have been faulted today. O'Neill was my MOTM, clever kick-outs with excellent saves and considering he got no help from our shocking FB line, with the exception of some nice attacking from McNamee, burnt by Paddy all too often though.
Matty led well but you always feel there was more in him, he has so much potential I sometime feel he doesn't do himself justice. Petey was excellent, best performance in a white jersey for him IMO. McNabb mixed good with bad, Tierney likewise, didn't stick a great claim. Game passed McShane by but I thought Brennan was good considering it was his debut, didn't look terribly out of place, physically less imposing than those around him but a great engine and work-rate. Should probably been subbed the last 15 when he faded.
I think Donegal will struggle against younger legs in Croke Park.
Tyrone an improvement but no Stephen O Neills
Read through a good few pages there. For all those giving out about a lack of black cards I would say check the rules before you do so. The neck high challenges are yellow or red because they did not definitely deliberately pull the player to the ground. Similarly with Gallagher his trip had to be deliberate to be black. I felt it was just mistimed so yellow was correct. Cavanagh should have got a second yellow and not black. Overall I felt McQuillan was better than he usually is. On TV could not see what was going on of the ball. Both teams should be embarrassed about the amount of mouthing they did.
An enjoyable game on a terrible day. Should bring Tyrone on a good bit. Donegal should probably stroll to Ulster final now.
I thought it was a right aul game. Is people will always criticise Tyrone, Donegal and Ulster no matter what. will be many worse games this year.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 06:32:34 PM
Fair play to Donegal, they are just a better team than Tyrone at the minute and won as they were expected to do, possibly keeping Tyrone at arms length as they have done for 4 years. As for the mouthing, cynical play etc, ffs, it's nothing new and is always going to happen when you stick 30 men on a small field and ask them to chase a ball around for their county. Those who thrive are the truly great players - stand up Micheal Murphy, poor enough throughout, took a load of shit but stepped up and hit a few class points to win the game. Ultimately this was the difference between the teams. Plenty of positives for Tyrone, if we can continue to improve, blood a few more U21s and get a few breaks along the way, then we could be formidable enough opposition in an All Ireland quarter final. The season has just begun - bring on Leitrim!!
Correct, the mouthing and cynical dirty play is a normal part of the game for ye, its the only way ye can win things, like the under 21, I didn't see McShane trying to decapitate anyone with his elbows today which is a change after hisunder 21 campaign
Maybe when you grow up and play a bit of senior football you'll understand.
Quote from: longballin on May 17, 2015, 07:29:53 PM
I thought it was a right aul game. Is people will always criticise Tyrone, Donegal and Ulster no matter what. will be many worse games this year.
I agree. Yep there was some daft stuff in it, but there was a lorry load of good stuff too, and some brilliant score taking. Thought Tyrone showed real balls after their horror start, and that the likes of Harte and Donnelly showed that a blanket is only a sidestep away from 8 defenders being the wrong side of the ball. Better team did though win, with McNellis and McFadden a joy to watch, along with Lacey and McGlynn.
Some people have oddly strange expectations from a game, especially one played in driving rain. Each to their own I suppose.
Martin McHugh has spoken about the grief he got from Keith Barry in the 92 AI Final, especially after he missed an early free. He shut him up pretty quickly, taking him on and beating him and getting a few class scores.
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
Martin McHugh has spoken about the grief he got from Keith Barry in the 92 AI Final, especially after he missed an early free. He shut him up pretty quickly, taking him on and beating him and getting a few class scores.
Obviously Mark picked up more lessons from Keith then his ould lad anyway
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
Martin McHugh has spoken about the grief he got from Keith Barry in the 92 AI Final, especially after he missed an early free. He shut him up pretty quickly, taking him on and beating him and getting a few class scores.
I'd say Barry probably just got into his head and played with his mind, almost putting him into a hypnotic state.
I would hope the written media go to town tomorrow on the disgrace Tyrone were today and further highlight the filthy tactics they part take in, maybe then it will highlight the behaviour further so referees become more aware of these tactics in future games, hopefully then this will lead to the quick demise of Tyrone, without theses dark arts Tyrone will do nothing
Tyrone were a bit of alright once they remembered their dharma and stood up to the challenge in the 2nd quarter.
They should rue losing that game, I think they had enough in their locker to win it but got stuck somewhere in the shenanigans of the grungy 2nd half.
Donegal do Tyrone better than Tyrone can do it themselves.
That's not a complement ;D
Quote from: Thewildcat on May 17, 2015, 06:13:08 PM
Mark McHugh is a right little shit, he feck off to the states last year, i wonder why they brought him back on the panel all he done today was shout into players face, but i have no fear he will meet his waterloo later in the summer.
I hope some of them big Armagh men put manners on him. It was not off the ground he licked it. Some very unlikable characters on that there Donegal team hi.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 07:45:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
Martin McHugh has spoken about the grief he got from Keith Barry in the 92 AI Final, especially after he missed an early free. He shut him up pretty quickly, taking him on and beating him and getting a few class scores.
Obviously Mark picked up more lessons from Keith then his ould lad anyway
Whatever the case, the issue long predates Donegal players watching Brian Dawkins videos and deciding to finally dish out in return what they'd been getting from other teams for years.
Quote from: ONeill on May 17, 2015, 06:18:28 PM
That was a great Ulster game. Not for the faint hearted. A throwback to the 80s. Justin did a brilliant job on Murphy. McShane caught in the headlights.
Great stuff.
;D no it wasn't.
Might be a throw back to the 80's in that when either of these teams get to Dublin for the business end of things they'll be hammered and back home very quickly.
A good summation of the game here... http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/five-things-we-learned-from-donegals-hardfought-win-over-tyrone-31229601.html
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
Martin McHugh has spoken about the grief he got from Keith Barry in the 92 AI Final, especially after he missed an early free. He shut him up pretty quickly, taking him on and beating him and getting a few class scores.
I'd say Barry probably just got into his head and played with his mind, almost putting him into a hypnotic state.
Barr!!! Not Barry
I missed the game lads, were Tyrone very cynical?
Take it you mean Keith Barr, was at that game, do remember him running by McHugh and shouting something to him alright after a missed free, but its not the epidemic it is now adays, could been worse, it could could from Eamon Heery, then i would been genuinely worried, hardest nut on that ole Dublin team bar none. The difference back then with mouthing, you got hit, but wouldn't have lay down as if taken out by a sniper like they do nowadays., u knew you deserved it.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 17, 2015, 08:21:04 PM
I missed the game lads, were Tyrone very cynical?
Outrageously cynical, but according to posters here from Tyrone they think that is the norm. They were up to everything from trash talking, trying to get their opponents sent off, cynical dirty play and executing the dark arts like only they do. Donegal were the only team trying to play and scored some lovely scores.
Ignore the troll.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 17, 2015, 08:21:04 PM
I missed the game lads, were Tyrone very cynical?
Enjoyed the game
It might have been nasty and cynical But nothing too unsavoury
but....
Some great scores Tyrone keeper pulled off some nice saves
They could have scrapped a draw in last minute .
There mightn't be better games in the summer
Glad I didn't travel though as weather appalling
Put up that Flag, what county do you support anyway?
He has to be Kerry.. still hurting :P
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2015, 08:42:17 PM
Put up that Flag, what county do you support are you anyway?
Mayo. Otherwise known as Larryin.
Quote from: Bingo on May 17, 2015, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 17, 2015, 06:18:28 PM
That was a great Ulster game. Not for the faint hearted. A throwback to the 80s. Justin did a brilliant job on Murphy. McShane caught in the headlights.
Great stuff.
;D no it wasn't.
Might be a throw back to the 80's in that when either of these teams get to Dublin for the business end of things they'll be hammered and back home very quickly.
We heard that last year too.
donegal could have been caught today but once again the lateral passing midget forwards and lack of a free taker under pressure thought mccurry was woeful when the fat was in the fire let them off the hook. i know mickey has been unwell and this may sound churlish but he still does not have a clue when it comes to dismantling the blanket. i hope someone else gets a go at it soon there are better tacticians and also less stuborn ones. every tyrone player needs to take a solo and unless we learn to get it in quickly then its the same old rubbish. didnt someone define stupidity as repeating the same mistake over and over again.
Quote from: cockahoop on May 17, 2015, 08:20:31 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
Martin McHugh has spoken about the grief he got from Keith Barry in the 92 AI Final, especially after he missed an early free. He shut him up pretty quickly, taking him on and beating him and getting a few class scores.
I'd say Barry probably just got into his head and played with his mind, almost putting him into a hypnotic state.
Barr!!! Not Barry
Just saw that.
Yes, Barr, obviously! :-[
f**king autocorrect on phone! >:(
just back from the game.good tough game with no quarter asked or given from either team.yes a few handbags but that was always gona be the case,especially on a wet day in a small field with both teams going defensive.intresting reading back through the comments. obviously those that played the game are calling for what it was but some of the commnts esp u, PUT THE FLAG UP are just pathethic. I suppose anybody can be a keyboard warrior. best team won but only just. murphy can kick a few points from 45/50 yards every time we meet,were as we just don't have the forwards anymore/yet. the wind was a big factor as well in the first half as Donegal took some grt scores into it.u always need a 4/5 point advantage playing with the wind in ballybofey and we didn't take our scores in the first half.
I thought Donegal were more guilty in terms of sly fouling and mouthing off. Tyrone seemed to have more football in them than Donegal.
Don't feed the troll please.
Delighted with the win. Hard luck to Tyrone who played very well I felt - Harte in particular was immense.
No quarter given or asked for today - what else did you expect?
McElhinney and McFadden were best for us.
Great win for our minors as well.
Donegal got away with a lot of unpunished fouling today when Tyrone would build up a head of steam, usually in and around midfield/outside scoring zone. But sure if the ref allows it I'd do it too.
I thought Donegal showed signs of wear and tear today, especially from 25 mins on. That 1-1 they scored in injury time won the game. I wouldn't be shocked if Armagh beat them.
No excuse for the mouthing. It's not sporting and true Gaels don't do it. The scumbags that do need to re-think. It's not part of our game. I hope more is made of it as the dubs cut it out when they realised how it reflects on them.
Blaming the width of a stairs for the half time carry on is a strange one!
Ah Jaysus quit with the true gaels shite.
Quote from: ONeill on May 17, 2015, 09:15:02 PM
Donegal got away with a lot of unpunished fouling today when Tyrone would build up a head of steam, usually in and around midfield/outside scoring zone. But sure if the ref allows it I'd do it too.
I thought Donegal showed signs of wear and tear today, especially from 25 mins on. That 1-1 they scored in injury time won the game. I wouldn't be shocked if Armagh beat them.
Thinking the same myself. My money's on Armagh
If the sledging is bad, spare a thought for Cathal McCarron :-\
I'd forgotten how much I detested Tyrone until I saw Philip Jordan on the TV.
Good game all round so?
Quote from: Orior on May 17, 2015, 09:48:43 PM
I'd forgotten how much I detested Tyrone until I saw Philip Jordan on the TV.
His newspaper articles are quite good but it's very hard to give him any credit as he will only ever be remembered for one incident.
Football wise it wasn't a bad game at all - yes the second half dropped it's intensity, but you can't expect every man to be running up and down the pitch all day long. There were some great scores.
Michael Murphy as someone earlier stated above showed his class. Despite being 'sledged' out of it, he took it all on the chin (well OK, he might have got involved in a handbag or two) but he scored the final three points, which another player wouldn't have done if he wasn't scoring for fun throughout the game. Btw, what age is Christy Toye? He's a great man to take a point and he has proven me wrong on numerous occasions about being over the top etc. The game will benefit Tyrone as they go in the backdoor. Nobody will want to face them at any stage that's for sure.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2015, 09:56:59 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 17, 2015, 09:48:43 PM
I'd forgotten how much I detested Tyrone until I saw Philip Jordan on the TV.
His newspaper articles are quite good but it's very hard to give him any credit as he will only ever be remembered for one incident.
Yes, in Armagh he will be.
Luckily we have many brilliant reasons to remember him.
Quote from: ONeill on May 16, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
What a minefield Ulster is. Beat Donegal and you're still in the quarters amongst the buckfast-soaked atmosphere in Armagh. Escape there and it's the inbreds from the Sperrins or the SDLP electorate. Get over that and you're mixing it with the knuckle draggers from Oriel. Better off getting out early and sampling Carrick on Shannon.
An absolutely fcukin despicable post. What did the Down men do to deserve that jibe? Way, way below the belt.
Quote from: highorlow on May 17, 2015, 09:30:05 PM
No excuse for the mouthing. It's not sporting and true Gaels don't do it. The scumbags that do need to re-think. It's not part of our game. I hope more is made of it as the dubs cut it out when they realised how it reflects on them.
Blaming the width of a stairs for the half time carry on is a strange one!
And who would these true Gaels be? Example? I'm looking forward to it!
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 07:45:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
Martin McHugh has spoken about the grief he got from Keith Barry in the 92 AI Final, especially after he missed an early free. He shut him up pretty quickly, taking him on and beating him and getting a few class scores.
Obviously Mark picked up more lessons from Keith then his ould lad anyway
Whatever the case, the issue long predates Donegal players watching Brian Dawkins videos and deciding to finally dish out in return what they'd been getting from other teams for years.
Yeah so two wrongs make a right. Interesting
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 17, 2015, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 16, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
What a minefield Ulster is. Beat Donegal and you're still in the quarters amongst the buckfast-soaked atmosphere in Armagh. Escape there and it's the inbreds from the Sperrins or the SDLP electorate. Get over that and you're mixing it with the knuckle draggers from Oriel. Better off getting out early and sampling Carrick on Shannon.
An absolutely fcukin despicable post. What did the Down men do to deserve that jibe? Way, way below the belt.
Tesco
Whelans comments are ridiculous, he seems to have forgotten his own playing career. Players have trained all year for this one match and they will do whatever it takes to try and give them an edge but it's easy to sit on a settee and collect a hefty cheque for slagging off players in a hypocritical manner like that. Maybe Im on my own but I actually enjoy those duels as Murphy/McMahon and Cavanagh/McGee had today, nothing wrong with a bit of sledging, in cricket it is considered an art.
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
'True Gaels' eat only vegetables that have died naturally, walk around in cloaks emblazoned with the book of Kells and cry when people break wind.
They lock themselves in a crypt when any parochial derby in the country takes place for fear of exposure to negative energy that may be diffused through the lofty airs of our sacred island.
That's who true Gaels are.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2015, 10:39:35 PM
Whelans comments are ridiculous, he seems to have forgotten his own playing career. Players have trained all year for this one match and they will do whatever it takes to try and give them an edge but it's easy to sit on a settee and collect a hefty cheque for slagging off players in a hypocritical manner like that. Maybe Im on my own by I actually enjoy those duels as Murphy/McMahon and Cavanagh/McGee had today, nothing wrong with a bit of sledging, in cricket it is considered an art.
Sledging is the talk of a coward. There is a serious character flaw in any individual that has to engage in it plus an inferiority complex to the guy they are marking
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
I can't believe players actually get worked up by that whole "i know your girlfriends number" bullshit.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2015, 10:39:35 PM
Whelans comments are ridiculous, he seems to have forgotten his own playing career. Players have trained all year for this one match and they will do whatever it takes to try and give them an edge but it's easy to sit on a settee and collect a hefty cheque for slagging off players in a hypocritical manner like that. Maybe Im on my own by I actually enjoy those duels as Murphy/McMahon and Cavanagh/McGee had today, nothing wrong with a bit of sledging, in cricket it is considered an art.
Sledging is the talk of a coward. There is a serious character flaw in any individual that has to engage in it plus an inferiority complex to the guy they are marking
Get over yourself or give Joe Duffy a call tomorrow.
Michael Murphy
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
I can't believe players actually get worked up by that whole "i know your girlfriends number" bullshit.
For the most part I'd agree but saw this yesterday by Niall McNamee on the effect of an opposition player mentioning his gambling problem
QuoteThis really hurt me. I don't think I've ever said this to anyone before. Nobody knew about my gambling at the time as far as I was concerned. I was in a bad way but I was keeping it secret I thought. We had a penalty about 10 minutes into the game and as I was lining it up, one of their lads walked past me and said, 'What price are you for first goal?' That really hurt me. I carried that for months afterwards. For years, actually. My mind was going mad. How the f**k did he know? Who's talking about me? What's going on?
http://balls.ie/gaa/292993-niall-mcnamee-gambling/
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Whelan was no angel but he never got up to that shite Tyrone were at today,murphy and McGee were obviously picked out for the verbals and late tackles....and saint Mickey (who not long ago made a appearance in our church hall talking about faith and living a moral life)say he can't control what his players get up to on the pitch and then you have a gypsy like Devlin trying to act the hard man and according to a close friend threatened to kick the shite out of a 10 year old in a u/12 match!!!scumbags the lot if them
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
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Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
I can't believe players actually get worked up by that whole "i know your girlfriends number" bullshit.
Says a lot about the mentality of the individual, the manner in which they are coached and the general sell you own mother to win a football match attitude that exists in Ulster.
Its a pity considering the talent up there but unfortunately the Civil War mentality has never left the football pitch.
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2015, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2015, 08:42:17 PM
Put up that Flag, what county do you support are you anyway?
Mayo. Otherwise known as Larryin.
Bet you are glad he is trolling us instead of you, I do think he is a fellow county man of yours though.
Mentioned my doubts about Donegal's squad depth before the game
The substitutions today didn't exactly do much to disprove this.
M McHugh for O'Reilly (39)
A Thompson for Toye (66)
D Walsh for McElhinney (70)
D McLaughlin for McFadden (70)
- Donegal's 2nd sub is working in another country while the 18th and 19th players came on in injury time.
Tyrone subs for the record
P McNulty for McShane (41)
T McCann for Tierney (55)
M Bradley for McCurry (63)
R O'Neill for McAlliskey (66)
Really disappointing that Justin McMahon has lowered himself to the standard of Tyrone's other cheating scum bags (on the pitch anyway) such as Jordan, gormley, Dooher and the cavanaghs.
Tyrone really have nothing up front although mcaliskey kicked a few nice points
Brilliant from Ciaran Whelan, he can see right through the dark arts of Tyrone, hopefully the whole country picks up on this theme and they are shown up as the most dirtiest and cynical team to ever play the sport, well said Ciaran, well said.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:46:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
I can't believe players actually get worked up by that whole "i know your girlfriends number" bullshit.
Says a lot about the mentality of the individual, the manner in which they are coached and the general sell you own mother to win a football match attitude that exists in Ulster.
Its a pity considering the talent up there but unfortunately the Civil War mentality has never left the football pitch.
Still can't believe anyone would get so upset about it. In fact, I'd say it says more about the individual's relationship with his missus that he is so insecure! Did you ever face any of this on your way to winning your All Ireland medals?
Quote from: hardstation on May 17, 2015, 10:49:29 PM
Do people even know their own girlfriend's phone number?
I know yours.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:53:01 PM
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Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
I can't believe players actually get worked up by that whole "i know your girlfriends number" bullshit.
Says a lot about the mentality of the individual, the manner in which they are coached and the general sell you own mother to win a football match attitude that exists in Ulster.
Its a pity considering the talent up there but unfortunately the Civil War mentality has never left the football pitch.
Still can't believe anyone would get so upset about it. In fact, I'd say it says more about the individual's relationship with his missus that he is so insecure! Did you ever face any of this on your way to winning your All Ireland medals?
You gotta stop digging on this one Benny. If that has actually happened it shows an incredible and worrying level of premeditation. You shouldn't be trying to brush it under as if it's nothing.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:46:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
I can't believe players actually get worked up by that whole "i know your girlfriends number" bullshit.
Says a lot about the mentality of the individual, the manner in which they are coached and the general sell you own mother to win a football match attitude that exists in Ulster.
Its a pity considering the talent up there but unfortunately the Civil War mentality has never left the football pitch.
Still can't believe anyone would get so upset about it. In fact, I'd say it says more about the individual's relationship with his missus that he is so insecure! Did you ever face any of this on your way to winning your All Ireland medals?
Laughable response but to be expected. As for the second part the game was played by real men back then
Presumably neither Put Up That Fleg or Regal have girlfriends? Palm specialists the two of them.
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2015, 10:58:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:46:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
I can't believe players actually get worked up by that whole "i know your girlfriends number" bullshit.
Says a lot about the mentality of the individual, the manner in which they are coached and the general sell you own mother to win a football match attitude that exists in Ulster.
Its a pity considering the talent up there but unfortunately the Civil War mentality has never left the football pitch.
Still can't believe anyone would get so upset about it. In fact, I'd say it says more about the individual's relationship with his missus that he is so insecure! Did you ever face any of this on your way to winning your All Ireland medals?
You gotta stop digging on this one Benny. If that has actually happened it shows an incredible and worrying level of premeditation. You shouldn't be trying to brush it under as if it's nothing.
To clarify it did happen. And it wasn't just one Tyrone player either. Its an absolutely pathetic carry on. Why some great players had to reduce themselves to it is something I never understood. But it's getting worse now. Donegal just copied the model
Despite Tyrone trying to win the game today by trying everything else except play football and bring Donegal down to their level, it is easy to forget some of the fine team scores Donegal worked, Laceys point in the second half was a highlight, unfortunately due to the negativity Tyrone bring it ruins games and its easy to forget the skill and team play Donegal showed.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 11:02:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2015, 10:58:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:46:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
I can't believe players actually get worked up by that whole "i know your girlfriends number" bullshit.
Says a lot about the mentality of the individual, the manner in which they are coached and the general sell you own mother to win a football match attitude that exists in Ulster.
Its a pity considering the talent up there but unfortunately the Civil War mentality has never left the football pitch.
Still can't believe anyone would get so upset about it. In fact, I'd say it says more about the individual's relationship with his missus that he is so insecure! Did you ever face any of this on your way to winning your All Ireland medals?
You gotta stop digging on this one Benny. If that has actually happened it shows an incredible and worrying level of premeditation. You shouldn't be trying to brush it under as if it's nothing.
To clarify it did happen. And it wasn't just one Tyrone player either. Its an absolutely pathetic carry on. Why some great players had to reduce themselves to it is something I never understood. But it's getting worse now. Donegal just copied the model
Just to clarify - how can you clarify this?
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
Brilliant from Ciaran Whelan, he can see right through the dark arts of Tyrone, hopefully the whole country picks up on this theme and they are shown up as the most dirtiest and cynical team to ever play the sport, well said Ciaran, well said.
They'll never shake off the 'Dirty Dubs' tag, no matter how sanctimonious they try to be. Using his role on TV to try to influence people against Tyrone, just because we thwarted his last chance of an All Ireland medal is pitiful. A sad, sad man.
So tell us how you know it happened Indiana? Did you speak directly to the players involved? Let's have the evidence rather than rumour. Name the Tyrone players, the Dublin player, the girlfriend....and the telephone number.
always the same indianna. u post something half decent straight after a game then u start the same old shite a few hrs later and will keep it up to near the end of the week.a tube if there ever was one.
Did I miss it or did RTE not show the incidents that lead to the sendings off on the Sunday Game save for one showing of Gallaghers second yellow?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 17, 2015, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 16, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
What a minefield Ulster is. Beat Donegal and you're still in the quarters amongst the buckfast-soaked atmosphere in Armagh. Escape there and it's the inbreds from the Sperrins or the SDLP electorate. Get over that and you're mixing it with the knuckle draggers from Oriel. Better off getting out early and sampling Carrick on Shannon.
An absolutely fcukin despicable post. What did the Down men do to deserve that jibe? Way, way below the belt.
I thought it was quite amusing!
Murphy got pulled and dragged the whole game, hell i don't even like him but there a way to mark a man without your arms round him the whole game, Coulter was quick to point out Canty was the hardest defender he played against and quick to point out he never opened his mouth during a game to him to insult him. You got to show a bit of class on the football field, Joe McMahon a teacher, how can he teach lads what not to do at football with the craic he was getting up to at half time, he was embarrassing himself to be honest. End of the day Donegal a tough team to break down, Monaghan might have a chance but nobody else in Ulster will.
Now that the dust is settling on pretty much day 1 of championship 2015 it has been a great start, Tyrone knocked out of the minor and at senior knocked out of the ulster championship, hopefully we will see a bit of good quality football now in the rounds ahead as opposition teams won't have to try to plan to beat the dark art tactics. All in all a great day it had been.
Flag i love to know what Tyrone done to you in a past life?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2015, 11:20:51 PM
Murphy got pulled and dragged the whole game, hell i don't even like him but there a way to mark a man without your arms round him the whole game, Coulter was quick to point out Canty was the hardest defender he played against and quick to point out he never opened his mouth during a game to him to insult him. You got to show a bit of class on the football field, Joe McMahon a teacher, how can he teach lads what not to do at football with the craic he was getting up to at half time, he was embarrassing himself to be honest. End of the day Donegal a tough team to break down, Monaghan might have a chance but nobody else in Ulster will.
Donegal will struggle to play that type of game in Croke Park with so many players over 30. Haven't got much on the bench either after number 18.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 08:05:56 PM
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Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
Martin McHugh has spoken about the grief he got from Keith Barry in the 92 AI Final, especially after he missed an early free. He shut him up pretty quickly, taking him on and beating him and getting a few class scores.
Obviously Mark picked up more lessons from Keith then his ould lad anyway
Whatever the case, the issue long predates Donegal players watching Brian Dawkins videos and deciding to finally dish out in return what they'd been getting from other teams for years.
Yeah so two wrongs make a right. Interesting
Or everyone else is doing it so why leave yourself at a disadvantage. The GAA obviously doesn't give a bollocks. Brendan Devenney used to complain about it for years, but was told to shut up and stop whining, including by many on this board.
Quote from: heffo on May 17, 2015, 09:52:55 PM
Good game all round so?
Yeah, it was a good game.
Pleased enough with Tyrone today. Donegals win came from Tyrones poor start and the last 2 mins of first half. Give Donegal that edge and you always make it difficult to beat them. Glad in away to be out of ulster i think we can prosper via the backdoor. As to all the Tyrone negative comments on here i wouldnt take much notice of the enlighted key board wizards who likely never kicked a ball they are just keeping themselves amused. I suppose it saves the environment though as they save on the tissues they would otherwise use keeping themselves entertained.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 17, 2015, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 16, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
What a minefield Ulster is. Beat Donegal and you're still in the quarters amongst the buckfast-soaked atmosphere in Armagh. Escape there and it's the inbreds from the Sperrins or the SDLP electorate. Get over that and you're mixing it with the knuckle draggers from Oriel. Better off getting out early and sampling Carrick on Shannon.
An absolutely fcukin despicable post. What did the Down men do to deserve that jibe? Way, way below the belt.
Lighten up Francis.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2015, 11:23:10 PM
Flag i love to know what Tyrone done to you in a past life?
Ya mean apart from ruining the game of gaelic football? What a stupid question. Anyone who loves the game of gaa knows the answer to that and knows the way Tyrone have brought the game down into the gutter or at least try, thankfully it didn't work today, they have single handidly tried to destroy what gaelic football is all about.
I think I will give this thread a miss now, ye Tyroneies are turning out to be a group of horrid sore losers and attacking posters rather than valid posts. See ye shortly again when Tyrone get knocked out of the qualifiers, happy days. Once again congratulations to Donegal to their great wins today.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 11:35:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2015, 11:23:10 PM
Flag i love to know what Tyrone done to you in a past life?
Ya mean apart from ruining the game of gaelic football? What a stupid question. Anyone who loves the game of gaa knows the answer to that and knows the way Tyrone have brought the game down into the gutter or at least try, thankfully it didn't work today, they have single handidly tried to destroy what gaelic football is all about.
I think I will give this thread a miss now, ye Tyroneies are turning out to be a group of horrid sore losers and attacking posters rather than valid posts. See ye shortly again when Tyrone get knocked out of the qualifiers, happy days. Once again congratulations to Donegal to their great wins today.
You do realise that Wildweasel isn't a Tyrone man!?
Quote from: HDTV on May 17, 2015, 11:20:04 PM
Here is the scuffle at Half time just to let you guys know the Quality wise ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTw0ncxFoI4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTw0ncxFoI4)
Photoshopped.
G Benny i only thought i don't like Tyrone, where we pull this maniac out of?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2015, 11:40:34 PM
G Benny i only thought i don't like Tyrone, where we pull this maniac out of?
Not sure, but dont worry, we know your hatred is genuine. Our heads won't be turned by this nouveau riche hatred.
QuoteI think I will give this thread a miss now, ye Tyroneies are turning out to be a group of horrid sore losers and attacking posters rather than valid posts. See ye shortly again when Tyrone get knocked out of the qualifiers, happy days. Once again congratulations to Donegal to their great wins today.
Ach please don't leave Put Up That Fleg...every thread needs a village idiot!!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on May 18, 2015, 12:03:39 AM
QuoteI think I will give this thread a miss now, ye Tyroneies are turning out to be a group of horrid sore losers and attacking posters rather than valid posts. See ye shortly again when Tyrone get knocked out of the qualifiers, happy days. Once again congratulations to Donegal to their great wins today.
Ach please don't leave Put Up That Fleg...every thread needs a village idiot!!
The tyronies in denial with their heads buried in the sand can more than fill that role, too many cooks and all that.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 17, 2015, 11:38:50 PM
Quote from: HDTV on May 17, 2015, 11:20:04 PM
Here is the scuffle at Half time just to let you guys know the Quality wise ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTw0ncxFoI4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTw0ncxFoI4)
Photoshopped.
It is purely coincidental that all episodes of trampish behaviour usually involves Tyrone players and/or supporters. Purely coincidental ::)
Why is there so much hatred of Tyrone? I know as a Armagh man I was baptised into that faith at birth but every other county seems to have joined up.
As an extra point and to link it with Tyrone's favourite pundit Omagh, with McMahon's on board, beat Cross in the Ulster club this year. Cross had 2 players sent off and Brolly suggested that Cross could cope with physical abuse but lost it when the verbals started. Kilcoo, Co. Down had tried the same the couple of years before.
Quote from: Throw ball on May 18, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
Why is there so much hatred of Tyrone? I know as a Armagh man I was baptised into that faith at birth but every other county seems to have joined up.
As an extra point and to link it with Tyrone's favourite pundit Omagh, with McMahon's on board, beat Cross in the Ulster club this year. Cross had 2 players sent off and Brolly suggested that Cross could cope with physical abuse but lost it when the verbals started. Kilcoo, Co. Down had tried the same the couple of years before.
None of this Tyrone bashing is credible anymore. Spillane and brolly started this crap many years ago with all the puke football which was directed at Ulster football Tyrone and Armagh both successfull teams of that era.As Tyrone became the dominant force in Ulster winning three All Irelands the general dislike and distrust of their northern country men was fueled by the southern media and the slating of all things northern becomes the norm. I think it has got to the stage were this constant attack on Tyrone brings the whole Gaa ethos into disrepute.. It is a very sad state of affairs when fair minded people get drowned out by such biggoted views and will eventually have an adverse effect on the association in Tyrone and ultimately as a whole. I have noticed over the years as the south has suffered greatly with its financial problems an erosion in its cultural well being. Tyrone GAA is becoming very insulare as a result.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 18, 2015, 01:14:31 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 18, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
Why is there so much hatred of Tyrone? I know as a Armagh man I was baptised into that faith at birth but every other county seems to have joined up.
As an extra point and to link it with Tyrone's favourite pundit Omagh, with McMahon's on board, beat Cross in the Ulster club this year. Cross had 2 players sent off and Brolly suggested that Cross could cope with physical abuse but lost it when the verbals started. Kilcoo, Co. Down had tried the same the couple of years before.
None of this Tyrone bashing is credible anymore. Spillane and brolly started this crap many years ago with all the puke football which was directed at Ulster football Tyrone and Armagh both successfull teams of that era.As Tyrone became the dominant force in Ulster winning three All Irelands the general dislike and distrust of their northern country men was fueled by the southern media and the slating of all things northern becomes the norm. I think it has got to the stage were this constant attack on Tyrone brings the whole Gaa ethos into disrepute.. It is a very sad state of affairs when fair minded people get drowned out by such biggoted views and will eventually have an adverse effect on the association in Tyrone and ultimately as a whole. I have noticed over the years as the south has suffered greatly with its financial problems an erosion in its cultural well being. Tyrone GAA is becoming very insulare as a result.
Ah come on; they're a shower a basatrds
Quote from: theticklemister on May 18, 2015, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 18, 2015, 01:14:31 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 18, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
Why is there so much hatred of Tyrone? I know as a Armagh man I was baptised into that faith at birth but every other county seems to have joined up.
As an extra point and to link it with Tyrone's favourite pundit Omagh, with McMahon's on board, beat Cross in the Ulster club this year. Cross had 2 players sent off and Brolly suggested that Cross could cope with physical abuse but lost it when the verbals started. Kilcoo, Co. Down had tried the same the couple of years before.
None of this Tyrone bashing is credible anymore. Spillane and brolly started this crap many years ago with all the puke football which was directed at Ulster football Tyrone and Armagh both successfull teams of that era.As Tyrone became the dominant force in Ulster winning three All Irelands the general dislike and distrust of their northern country men was fueled by the southern media and the slating of all things northern becomes the norm. I think it has got to the stage were this constant attack on Tyrone brings the whole Gaa ethos into disrepute.. It is a very sad state of affairs when fair minded people get drowned out by such biggoted views and will eventually have an adverse effect on the association in Tyrone and ultimately as a whole. I have noticed over the years as the south has suffered greatly with its financial problems an erosion in its cultural well being. Tyrone GAA is becoming very insulare as a result.
Ah come on; they're a shower a basatrds
Oh aye and theres that to.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 18, 2015, 01:24:18 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on May 18, 2015, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 18, 2015, 01:14:31 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 18, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
Why is there so much hatred of Tyrone? I know as a Armagh man I was baptised into that faith at birth but every other county seems to have joined up.
As an extra point and to link it with Tyrone's favourite pundit Omagh, with McMahon's on board, beat Cross in the Ulster club this year. Cross had 2 players sent off and Brolly suggested that Cross could cope with physical abuse but lost it when the verbals started. Kilcoo, Co. Down had tried the same the couple of years before.
None of this Tyrone bashing is credible anymore. Spillane and brolly started this crap many years ago with all the puke football which was directed at Ulster football Tyrone and Armagh both successfull teams of that era.As Tyrone became the dominant force in Ulster winning three All Irelands the general dislike and distrust of their northern country men was fueled by the southern media and the slating of all things northern becomes the norm. I think it has got to the stage were this constant attack on Tyrone brings the whole Gaa ethos into disrepute.. It is a very sad state of affairs when fair minded people get drowned out by such biggoted views and will eventually have an adverse effect on the association in Tyrone and ultimately as a whole. I have noticed over the years as the south has suffered greatly with its financial problems an erosion in its cultural well being. Tyrone GAA is becoming very insulare as a result.
Ah come on; they're a shower a basatrds
Oh aye and theres that to.
All insults from cider monkeys and sperrin inbreeds are welcome by the way.Thats true GAA culture.
On the girlfriend phone number debate have any of you considered that maybe a man did actually know the guys girlfriend and still stays close. Playground stuff
As an Armagh man, I dislike Tyrone but some of the shite posted on this thread is exactly that. Shite. Sledging and the dark arts have been going on a long time, and not just at senior intercounty level either. In an U16 championship semi final in the 90s I got sent off because I reacted to something I shouldnt have and my team lost. The other guy got sent off but he had been put there with one job in mind, to get me sent off. And it worked.
In regards to the game, I enjoyed it. It was a great championship game with everything you weant in it.
As for the half time shenanigans, will as much be made of it as was about the Armagh Cavan game last year????
For a first day out it was a very enjoyable high paced championship game. Some very good scores and the niggle added to it. For as long as I've been going to football I've witnessed incidents like half time yesterday and a lot of people won't admit it but most people like the bit of an edge to a game like this. The difference in now and early years is it was all pushing and no punches thrown so nothing to get too worked up about. What exactly was RTE's point about Justy McMahon last night? They said he was sent out to do a job on Murphy and keep him scoreless- yes of course he was - that's generally what defenders are sent out to do. They went through all their footage and couldn't find anything in dirty in the slighest to back up that he was actually out of line.
I thought there was very little between the teams. We let them get a couple of points up at a crucial stage near the end not helped by a missed McCurry free. This meant we had to go for goals and were very unlucky not to get one. There is a lot to work on there and take heart from. In some ways it was probably better not drawing as even if we'd won in Omagh we'd have used a lot of energy just to get to an Ulster quarter final (but I'd still much rather we had drawn). Now depending on the qualifier draw we could find ourselves with an easier passage to the quarter final than Donegal. We will be able to bring in a few more u21s and bring them on. Yesterday we played with the fight that has been lacking in our championship for years - if the players get fully behind it there could be a long summer ahead. The aim now has to be to get to the quarter finals and beat Donegal when it matters most in a knockout championship game.
It's such a pity we can't find consistent free takers. If we'd taken the frees yesterday we'd have won that game despite a bad start. Also I wish Petey Harte would stay involved for longer in games. He was brilliant at times and can really open up a defence but seems to take breaks from attacking during the game.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
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Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
Whelan didn't have the wit for it.
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Meadbh on May 17, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Had to post on here after Ciaran Whelan (aka the roughest tr**p of the 00's) started going on about Tyrone 'sledging' and point out McMahon in particular on Sunday Game... Was Whelan actually in Ballybofey today on the sidelines, ears pricked up to hear what exactly was being said on the pitch? Because if he's going to sit on national TV and say that, he'd need to have evidence.
No 'true gael' engages in sledging? What a crock.
Its hard to imagine Ciaran writing down the phone number of his opponents girlfriend and reciting it back to him for the whole game. In Dublin we leave that to Tyrone
I can't believe players actually get worked up by that whole "i know your girlfriends number" bullshit.
Exactly. Serious weakness in the head if that leads to you losing the bap. With the things/slagging that were said to me and everybody else in my area/school growing up, things like that would hardly make you bat an eyelid.
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 07:04:39 AM
On the girlfriend phone number debate have any of you considered that maybe a man did actually know the guys girlfriend and still stays close. Playground stuff
Bullshit . And it wasn't just one player. Harte made a significant quote in 2000 where he said sledging was part of the game as far as he's concerned. He has trained his teams accordingly and it's now firmly part of the Tyrone doctrine at development level. Everyone in Ulster copied it and it's now part of the game there.
I've the height of respect for Harte as an individual but I dislike the way he trains his football teams.
On the game itself fundamentally Tyrone don't score enough. And because of that they won't win anything for a while. It's a sad day for the game when a talent like Mc Curry has to play around the middle to get the ball. In modern Gaelic Football the talentless are admired for work rate and intensity and the class acts are reduced to hod carriers.
I thought yesterday was interesting from that perspective Indiana actually. It was noticeable how many forwards were rewarded for good movement, and good overlapping runs by finding soft areas in the zonal defence, and both sides were able to make inroads at various times. Yesterday you had two notable proponents of this system and there was still room for good football to be played, and it was. It's different, and it is a lot more cerebral, but it is still engaging to watch when it is two good teams. Where it gets shite, and where the danger for football as a game is, is when two bad teams try to do the same. They normally get the defensive side reasonably ok, but their own forward movement and passing skills are bad and so it breaks down when they attack, and vice versa.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 09:17:05 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 07:04:39 AM
On the girlfriend phone number debate have any of you considered that maybe a man did actually know the guys girlfriend and still stays close. Playground stuff
Bullshit . And it wasn't just one player. Harte made a significant quote in 2000 where he said sledging was part of the game as far as he's concerned. He has trained his teams accordingly and it's now firmly part of the Tyrone doctrine at development level. Everyone in Ulster copied it and it's now part of the game there.
I've the height of respect for Harte as an individual but I dislike the way he trains his football teams.
On the game itself fundamentally Tyrone don't score enough. And because of that they won't win anything for a while. It's a sad day for the game when a talent like Mc Curry has to play around the middle to get the ball. In modern Gaelic Football the talentless are admired for work rate and intensity and the class acts are reduced to hod carriers.
Utter lies - just because somebody told you that in the pub or Joe Brolly says it doesn't make it true.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Given it was very poor conditions (wind and rain combined) you must have been seriously impressed that both teams got into double figures? Was a decent enough return on the day and not the lowest scoring game of the weekend. I think a lot of gaa fans around the country need to start thanking the ulster championship for providing some genuine entertainment and proper clashes from May to July while the other championships go through the motions.
I honestly think there is genuine fear from the Dubs that they're going to have to meet an Ulster team later in the year and are getting the excuses in early this year.
I do agree about the sledging. It's horrible to see, and when you understand the purpose behind it, it's even more hateful. If the lad stood up and took the punch he deserves when it comes I'd have less of a problem. The rolling and crying to get a lad sent off is what annoys me most of all. But don't be under any illusions that this is just Tyrone, or Ulster. It's all over the place now. And maybe the Ulster lads are a bit better at it at the moment, but the rest will catch up.
And it wasn't an ulster lad that called me a smelly culchie **** back in the early 90s, so it's not new either, although the wives, girlfriends, kids thing seems to be creeping in more, which is horrible.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 09:17:05 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 07:04:39 AM
On the girlfriend phone number debate have any of you considered that maybe a man did actually know the guys girlfriend and still stays close. Playground stuff
Bullshit . And it wasn't just one player. Harte made a significant quote in 2000 where he said sledging was part of the game as far as he's concerned. He has trained his teams accordingly and it's now firmly part of the Tyrone doctrine at development level. Everyone in Ulster copied it and it's now part of the game there.
I've the height of respect for Harte as an individual but I dislike the way he trains his football teams.
On the game itself fundamentally Tyrone don't score enough. And because of that they won't win anything for a while. It's a sad day for the game when a talent like Mc Curry has to play around the middle to get the ball. In modern Gaelic Football the talentless are admired for work rate and intensity and the class acts are reduced to hod carriers.
Tell us how you know it is the 'doctrine at development level'?? Come on tell us where you are getting your facts from? I'm calling absolute bullshit on that one! I actually would agree with a lot of points you make on this board but that is total nonsense! As someone said just because joe brolly says it doesn't mean it's true!
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 09:17:05 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 07:04:39 AM
On the girlfriend phone number debate have any of you considered that maybe a man did actually know the guys girlfriend and still stays close. Playground stuff
Bullshit . And it wasn't just one player. Harte made a significant quote in 2000 where he said sledging was part of the game as far as he's concerned. He has trained his teams accordingly and it's now firmly part of the Tyrone doctrine at development level. Everyone in Ulster copied it and it's now part of the game there.
I've the height of respect for Harte as an individual but I dislike the way he trains his football teams.
On the game itself fundamentally Tyrone don't score enough. And because of that they won't win anything for a while. It's a sad day for the game when a talent like Mc Curry has to play around the middle to get the ball. In modern Gaelic Football the talentless are admired for work rate and intensity and the class acts are reduced to hod carriers.
Tell us how you know it is the 'doctrine at development level'?? Come on tell us where you are getting your facts from? I'm calling absolute bullshit on that one! I actually would agree with a lot of points you make on this board but that is total nonsense! As someone said just because joe brolly says it doesn't mean it's true!
It's one of those tales of yore that people without their own mind like to repeat ad nauseum. It is a good tale but utter nonsense. Just because the term "sledging" is relatively new, does not make the act of winding up opponents by giving a bit of verbals is new. Its no worse now than it ever was but there are more forums to moan these days.
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Murphy got pulled and dragged the whole game, hell i don't even like him but there a way to mark a man without your arms round him the whole game, Coulter was quick to point out Canty was the hardest defender he played against and quick to point out he never opened his mouth during a game to him to insult him. You got to show a bit of class on the football field, Joe McMahon a teacher, how can he teach lads what not to do at football with the craic he was getting up to at half time, he was embarrassing himself to be honest. End of the day Donegal a tough team to break down, Monaghan might have a chance but nobody else in Ulster will.
Donegal will struggle to play that type of game in Croke Park with so many players over 30. Haven't got much on the bench either after number 18.
How? MacCumhail Park is longer and wider than Croke Pk. If anything, their game will improve.
Enjoyed the game, some big hits and great scores. Donegal met fire with fire re the sledging. Can't abide the Tyrone players throwing the head back as they lay down during a tackle. That's a real gear grinder. For the record, I'd have preferred a Tyrone victory (shudder) as Donegal will be a much more difficult proposition for either Down or Derry. Fine player that he is, do Tyrone posters not think Mattie Donnelly slows the game down far too much? Especially against a very defensive Donegal team allowing them to get back and setup?
That free Murphy put over from out on the right was something else. Is there a county in Ireland that wouldnt take Frank McGlynn with open arms? Some engine, some heart ! The man is built for intense championship football
To clear up one thing - the talk on here and suggestions on RTE that Cavanagh tried to get Gallagher sent off were completely inaccurate. Before the tv caught the incident Gallagher had grabbed Cavanagh three times by the throat. Then he walked behind him and tried to twist his arm which then turned into a pulling match. The only thing the ref and linesmen got wrong was that Cavanagh never should have been booked. I hate when refs/linesmen cop out and book both players when one is clearly only defending themselves.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2015, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Given it was very poor conditions (wind and rain combined) you must have been seriously impressed that both teams got into double figures? Was a decent enough return on the day and not the lowest scoring game of the weekend. I think a lot of gaa fans around the country need to start thanking the ulster championship for providing some genuine entertainment and proper clashes from May to July while the other championships go through the motions.
I honestly think there is genuine fear from the Dubs that they're going to have to meet an Ulster team later in the year and are getting the excuses in early this year.
Given that INDIANA usually has his mind made up about an ulster game before a ball is kicked, it hardly matters what the score was, or that it was in fact an entertaining game, or that there where some great scores from both sides, mostly from play.
Give me that game yesterday in ballybofey any day, rather than an 'open' game in croke park with dublin hammering some of the other Lienster fodder by 20 points
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
To clear up one thing - the talk on here and suggestions on RTE that Cavanagh tried to get Gallagher sent off were completely inaccurate. Before the tv caught the incident Gallagher had grabbed Cavanagh three times by the throat. Then he walked behind him and tried to twist his arm which then turned into a pulling match. The only thing the ref and linesmen got wrong was that Cavanagh never should have been booked. I hate when refs/linesmen cop out and book both players when one is clearly only defending themselves.
Not a fan of Cavanagh due to his diving but in this incident he was completely innocent.
What was the free for that put Donegal a point up in the closing stages, crucial score but it wasn't clear what it was for?
Quote from: Sidney on May 17, 2015, 01:23:26 PM
I'll be very disappointed if we don't get at least most of the following today.
i) Rain.
ii) Wind.
iii) A moderately attractive young woman, who more than likely still goes to Mass every week, screeching Amhran na bhFiann out of tune over a faulty public address system.
iv) Defensive systems cancelling each other out.
v) Handpassing, lots of handpassing, preferably in a backwards direction.
vi) Free Presbyterian levels of dourness.
vii) No goals and a winning score of no more than 0-12.
viii) At least one sending-off.
ix) A spectator making a laughably pathetic attempt to assault a player.
x) Pat Spillane talking about the death of Gaelic football.
xi) Forum posters vilifying the referee afterwards.
The above 11 elements sum up the true Ulster championship experience.
10 out of 11 ain't bad!!
Great post.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
For a first day out it was a very enjoyable high paced championship game. Some very good scores and the niggle added to it. For as long as I've been going to football I've witnessed incidents like half time yesterday and a lot of people won't admit it but most people like the bit of an edge to a game like this. The difference in now and early years is it was all pushing and no punches thrown so nothing to get too worked up about. What exactly was RTE's point about Justy McMahon last night? They said he was sent out to do a job on Murphy and keep him scoreless- yes of course he was - that's generally what defenders are sent out to do. They went through all their footage and couldn't find anything in dirty in the slighest to back up that he was actually out of line.
I thought there was very little between the teams. We let them get a couple of points up at a crucial stage near the end not helped by a missed McCurry free. This meant we had to go for goals and were very unlucky not to get one. There is a lot to work on there and take heart from. In some ways it was probably better not drawing as even if we'd won in Omagh we'd have used a lot of energy just to get to an Ulster quarter final (but I'd still much rather we had drawn). Now depending on the qualifier draw we could find ourselves with an easier passage to the quarter final than Donegal. We will be able to bring in a few more u21s and bring them on. Yesterday we played with the fight that has been lacking in our championship for years - if the players get fully behind it there could be a long summer ahead. The aim now has to be to get to the quarter finals and beat Donegal when it matters most in a knockout championship game.
It's such a pity we can't find consistent free takers. If we'd taken the frees yesterday we'd have won that game despite a bad start. Also I wish Petey Harte would stay involved for longer in games. He was brilliant at times and can really open up a defence but seems to take breaks from attacking during the game.
Wasn't sure about that myself. Joanne Cantwell brought it up in 2 pitch side interviews also so there was something of an agenda going on. It was almost as an afterthought they mentioned that Cavanagh was getting similar attention at he other end.
Defender sticks tight to star forward to stop him scoring shocker!!
The claim has been that there are no good man markers as it is all about packed defences but Justy, like the man he was marking, knew how to stay just inside the rules.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
For a first day out it was a very enjoyable high paced championship game. Some very good scores and the niggle added to it. For as long as I've been going to football I've witnessed incidents like half time yesterday and a lot of people won't admit it but most people like the bit of an edge to a game like this. The difference in now and early years is it was all pushing and no punches thrown so nothing to get too worked up about. What exactly was RTE's point about Justy McMahon last night? They said he was sent out to do a job on Murphy and keep him scoreless- yes of course he was - that's generally what defenders are sent out to do. They went through all their footage and couldn't find anything in dirty in the slighest to back up that he was actually out of line.
I thought there was very little between the teams. We let them get a couple of points up at a crucial stage near the end not helped by a missed McCurry free. This meant we had to go for goals and were very unlucky not to get one. There is a lot to work on there and take heart from. In some ways it was probably better not drawing as even if we'd won in Omagh we'd have used a lot of energy just to get to an Ulster quarter final (but I'd still much rather we had drawn). Now depending on the qualifier draw we could find ourselves with an easier passage to the quarter final than Donegal. We will be able to bring in a few more u21s and bring them on. Yesterday we played with the fight that has been lacking in our championship for years - if the players get fully behind it there could be a long summer ahead. The aim now has to be to get to the quarter finals and beat Donegal when it matters most in a knockout championship game.
It's such a pity we can't find consistent free takers. If we'd taken the frees yesterday we'd have won that game despite a bad start. Also I wish Petey Harte would stay involved for longer in games. He was brilliant at times and can really open up a defence but seems to take breaks from attacking during the game.
Wasn't sure about that myself. Joanne Cantwell brought it up in 2 pitch side interviews also so there was something of an agenda going on. It was almost as an afterthought they mentioned that Cavanagh was getting similar attention at he other end.
Defender sticks tight to star forward to stop him scoring shocker!!
The claim has been that there are no good man markers as it is all about packed defences but Justy, like the man he was marking, knew how to stay just inside the rules.
I would contend he didn't stay within the rules but massively weak refereeing and the fact Michael Murphy is the size he is means he doesn't get the decisions he's supposed to. Maybe if he dived around the place like Cavanagh he might get the frees he deserves but he doesn't... ah well!
There's a direct inverse relationship between the rise of sledging and the demise of punching in gaelic football.
We need to bring back punching.
Have to agree with 2 previous posters, Matty Donnelly takes far too much out of the ball when building from defense, takes at least two solos before lifting his head, giving Donegal time to drop everyone back. Peter Harte was brilliant for 20 minutes as usual and then totally disappears from the game as usual.
McQuillans refereeing was poor, Chrsty Toye should have walked after so many fouls and Colm Cavanagh should have went for a late tackle in the 2nd half after Sean was sent off. Thought Justin McMahon did a great job on Murphy, good to see him stepping up again after a few poor seasons.
McCurry is Tyrones top scorer and he was basically playing as an attacking half back, surely he would be a lot more effective closer to goal (as he showed with the finish for the goal), thought Brennan was poor as was McShane (maybe too much expected off them too soon).
Ronan Oneill has serioulsy pissed someone off when he can only get 4 minutes.
Quote from: Up The Middle on May 18, 2015, 10:17:32 AM
Have to agree with 2 previous posters, Matty Donnelly takes far too much out of the ball when building from defense, takes at least two solos before lifting his head, giving Donegal time to drop everyone back. Peter Harte was brilliant for 20 minutes as usual and then totally disappears from the game as usual.
McQuillans refereeing was poor, Chrsty Toye should have walked after so many fouls and Colm Cavanagh should have went for a late tackle in the 2nd half after Sean was sent off. Thought Justin McMahon did a great job on Murphy, good to see him stepping up again after a few poor seasons.
McCurry is Tyrones top scorer and he was basically playing as an attacking half back, surely he would be a lot more effective closer to goal (as he showed with the finish for the goal), thought Brennan was poor as was McShane (maybe too much expected off them too soon).
Ronan Oneill has serioulsy pissed someone off when he can only get 4 minutes.
Thanks.
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Quote from: tyrone86 on May 18, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 09:17:05 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 07:04:39 AM
On the girlfriend phone number debate have any of you considered that maybe a man did actually know the guys girlfriend and still stays close. Playground stuff
Bullshit . And it wasn't just one player. Harte made a significant quote in 2000 where he said sledging was part of the game as far as he's concerned. He has trained his teams accordingly and it's now firmly part of the Tyrone doctrine at development level. Everyone in Ulster copied it and it's now part of the game there.
I've the height of respect for Harte as an individual but I dislike the way he trains his football teams.
On the game itself fundamentally Tyrone don't score enough. And because of that they won't win anything for a while. It's a sad day for the game when a talent like Mc Curry has to play around the middle to get the ball. In modern Gaelic Football the talentless are admired for work rate and intensity and the class acts are reduced to hod carriers.
Utter lies - just because somebody told you that in the pub or Joe Brolly says it doesn't make it true.
No it's not pub talk and the idea that I'd post pub talk is absurd.
And that's the last I'm saying on it. If the Tyrone players in question were put on a lie detector test they'd fail.
I thought it was a good game, Donegal got some great scores and I was really impressed with the work rate of Neil Gallagher. Donegal used the ball more effectively and looked like they had the winning of it in them even when Tyrone closed the gap.
Tyrone are lacking the necessary talent up front to be real contenders.
Sledging is nothing new nor do I agree with it or condone it. When northern teams would be lining up for Amhran na bhFiann, some "southern" players from "southern" teams would regularly try to wind them up by asking them when their anthem was going to be played, calling them British basatards, go back to England and you'd have nothing up there were it not for the Queen etc etc. I emphasise that only some players would do this. Same on all teams. To broad brush a whole team or a whole region of players is just trying to generalise, is lazy and is completely wrong. So fair is fair.
And for Indy to come on and say that Harte made a quote in 2000 about it being a Tyrone tactic and that he "trains" his teams in sledging etc is again insulting and way way off the mark and very disappointing. All teams will have players that will take things up to the line and even over it on occasion, but please don't label them all.
If you wanted to, you could probably look back over time and select certain players from most counties who engaged in a certain types of way that might have let their side down and that wasn't considered gentlemanly or appropriate behaviour. Back in the day, it was only angels that played football and hurling. I always reflect on Mickey Ned running through the Dublin defence and after about 6 Dublin men fail in trying to break his leg / stop his progress, the bold Sean Doherty, the Dublin full back comes forth from his full back position where he stood all day, and unceremoniously "tackles" Mickey Ned, knocking him unconscious, Mickey Ned is carrried off on a door and doesn't remember the day of the all Ireland final and isn't able to accept the Sam Maguire that day.But sure that was the Kerry golden years and Heffo's army and all that. Happy days. Have a look and reminisce about the good old days. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw
And now to Mr. Whelan - basically Whelo is saying that it was alright ( please refer to Peter Canavan's article last week about men trying to break his leg and jaw ) to go out and "do" a man with a shoe or a fist but it's terrible to whisper something in his ear. Oh the irony of it all.
And finally I don't accept that reacting to sledging is in some way a deficit in your make up and is a human weakness and that sledging should be laughed off.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 17, 2015, 11:38:50 PM
Quote from: HDTV on May 17, 2015, 11:20:04 PM
Here is the scuffle at Half time just to let you guys know the Quality wise ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTw0ncxFoI4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTw0ncxFoI4)
Photoshopped.
Did you download full match of site eh no full whack hdtv don't think so,so not photoshopped and how could it be anyway
Quotethe fact Michael Murphy is the size he is means he doesn't get the decisions he's supposed to. Maybe if he dived around the place like Cavanagh he might get the frees he deserves but he doesn't... ah well!
Was it twice in the first half that a long ball was played into Murphy and McMahon and Murphy threw the head and hands back and fell to the ground when the ball broke loose, looking for the free. Just because it isn't a Tyrone player doing it, doesn't mean he isn't trying to buy one.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 17, 2015, 11:27:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2015, 11:20:51 PM
Murphy got pulled and dragged the whole game, hell i don't even like him but there a way to mark a man without your arms round him the whole game, Coulter was quick to point out Canty was the hardest defender he played against and quick to point out he never opened his mouth during a game to him to insult him. You got to show a bit of class on the football field, Joe McMahon a teacher, how can he teach lads what not to do at football with the craic he was getting up to at half time, he was embarrassing himself to be honest. End of the day Donegal a tough team to break down, Monaghan might have a chance but nobody else in Ulster will.
Donegal will struggle to play that type of game in Croke Park with so many players over 30. Haven't got much on the bench either after number 18.
I don't think they will struggle any more than they did last year, besides which not many teams play the way Tyrone do.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2015, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Given it was very poor conditions (wind and rain combined) you must have been seriously impressed that both teams got into double figures? Was a decent enough return on the day and not the lowest scoring game of the weekend. I think a lot of gaa fans around the country need to start thanking the ulster championship for providing some genuine entertainment and proper clashes from May to July while the other championships go through the motions.
I honestly think there is genuine fear from the Dubs that they're going to have to meet an Ulster team later in the year and are getting the excuses in early this year.
Tyrone are not capable of beating Dublin at present. You just aren't good enough anymore. Outside Peter Harte nobody else would make the Dublin team . Well maybe Mc Curry too because he'd be accepted for the skills he has rather then the ones he doesn't have.
Donegal don't look like they have the legs anymore. Once we get the setup right we should be fine against them . Kerry are the team we probably won't beat this year because of the forward line they have this year
Quote from: Up The Middle on May 18, 2015, 10:17:32 AM
Have to agree with 2 previous posters, Matty Donnelly takes far too much out of the ball when building from defense, takes at least two solos before lifting his head, giving Donegal time to drop everyone back. Peter Harte was brilliant for 20 minutes as usual and then totally disappears from the game as usual.
McQuillans refereeing was poor, Chrsty Toye should have walked after so many fouls and Colm Cavanagh should have went for a late tackle in the 2nd half after Sean was sent off. Thought Justin McMahon did a great job on Murphy, good to see him stepping up again after a few poor seasons.
McCurry is Tyrones top scorer and he was basically playing as an attacking half back, surely he would be a lot more effective closer to goal (as he showed with the finish for the goal), thought Brennan was poor as was McShane (maybe too much expected off them too soon).
Ronan Oneill has serioulsy pissed someone off when he can only get 4 minutes.
Harte was excellent at times yesterday. I'd like to see him do more attacking but overall had a good game. If McCurry had played up front he would have got no room whatsoever. The only reason he had room for the goal was because he slipped in from deep. I think he could face stiff competition from Bradley for his place. They're similar players and I think Bradley could have a good summer ahead - would be a good option with the closer in frees too.
Ronan O'Neill played against Donegal in the league and was ineffective. He'll struggle to get his place. Probably deserved more time from the bench as I think he could be a decent impact sub. McShane struggled badly yesterday. But the u21s will get more time with the seniors now and hoping a few of them really push on over the summer. I don't see why we can't have a long run if the interest is there from the players.
God but there are a lot of delicate flowers on here.
For the record, I hate sledging but Donegal & Tyrone truly detest each other. In the circumstances it not surprising it went on. I think the umpires & linesmen could pay a role in curbing it because as I understand it the referee has to hear what is said before he can do anything.
Apart form the sledging I am not sure what anyone here expected from a Donegal Tyrone championship game on a foul day in Ballybofey. I was at the game & really enjoyed the occasion as a whole.
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Sledging is nothing new nor do I agree with it or condone it. When northern teams would be lining up for Amhran na bhFiann, some "southern" players from "southern" teams would regularly try to wind them up by asking them when their anthem was going to be played, calling them British basatards, go back to England and you'd have nothing up there were it not for the Queen etc etc. I emphasise that only some players would do this. Same on all teams. To broad brush a whole team or a whole region of players is just trying to generalise, is lazy and is completely wrong. So fair is fair.
And for Indy to come on and say that Harte made a quote in 2000 about it being a Tyrone tactic and that he "trains" his teams in sledging etc is again insulting and way way off the mark and very disappointing. All teams will have players that will take things up to the line and even over it on occasion, but please don't label them all.
If you wanted to, you could probably look back over time and select certain players from most counties who engaged in a certain types of way that might have let their side down and that wasn't considered gentlemanly or appropriate behaviour. Back in the day, it was only angels that played football and hurling. I always reflect on Mickey Ned running through the Dublin defence and after about 6 Dublin men fail in trying to break his leg / stop his progress, the bold Sean Doherty, the Dublin full back comes forth from his full back position where he stood all day, and unceremoniously "tackles" Mickey Ned, knocking him unconscious, Mickey Ned is carrried off on a door and doesn't remember the day of the all Ireland final and isn't able to accept the Sam Maguire that day.But sure that was the Kerry golden years and Heffo's army and all that. Happy days. Have a look and reminisce about the good old days. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw
And now to Mr. Whelan - basically Whelo is saying that it was alright ( please refer to Peter Canavan's article last week about men trying to break his leg and jaw ) to go out and "do" a man with a shoe or a fist but it's terrible to whisper something in his ear. Oh the irony of it all.
And finally I don't accept that reacting to sledging is in some way a deficit in your make up and is a human weakness and that sledging should be laughed off.
It's the truth and you know it. I will post the quote if you want. I know the way your teams are trained. We copied your devlopment model in the early 2000s but we left that bit out. I've first hand experience of being on the line at underage matches between the two counties listening to it so don't tell me I'm spoofing when I've first hand experience of it. Why oh why you have to engage in it at all is beyond me
However Donegal were at least as bad at it yesterday and unfortunately now it's become part of the game for most counties now
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 10:42:12 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2015, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Watching from behind the couch as Mordor plays Mordor lite. If anyone gets to double figures I will be seriously impressed
Given it was very poor conditions (wind and rain combined) you must have been seriously impressed that both teams got into double figures? Was a decent enough return on the day and not the lowest scoring game of the weekend. I think a lot of gaa fans around the country need to start thanking the ulster championship for providing some genuine entertainment and proper clashes from May to July while the other championships go through the motions.
I honestly think there is genuine fear from the Dubs that they're going to have to meet an Ulster team later in the year and are getting the excuses in early this year.
Tyrone are not capable of beating Dublin at present. You just aren't good enough anymore. Outside Peter Harte nobody else would make the Dublin team . Well maybe Mc Curry too because he'd be accepted for the skills he has rather then the ones he doesn't have.
Donegal don't look like they have the legs anymore. Once we get the setup right we should be fine against them . Kerry are the team we probably won't beat this year because of the forward line they have this year
I'd be more confident of beating Dublin than Donegal to be honest. I know its not championship but we've played Dublin a lot in recent years and nothing between the teams - Dublin hate playing us. 2 years ago we beat Dublin in Croke by a point. In the league final Dublin won by a point and were lucky. Last year we had a poor year and conceded 3 goals early to Dublin and it was still level with time almost up. This year we drew down there and should have won.
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Sledging is nothing new nor do I agree with it or condone it. When northern teams would be lining up for Amhran na bhFiann, some "southern" players from "southern" teams would regularly try to wind them up by asking them when their anthem was going to be played, calling them British basatards, go back to England and you'd have nothing up there were it not for the Queen etc etc. I emphasise that only some players would do this. Same on all teams. To broad brush a whole team or a whole region of players is just trying to generalise, is lazy and is completely wrong. So fair is fair.
And for Indy to come on and say that Harte made a quote in 2000 about it being a Tyrone tactic and that he "trains" his teams in sledging etc is again insulting and way way off the mark and very disappointing. All teams will have players that will take things up to the line and even over it on occasion, but please don't label them all.
If you wanted to, you could probably look back over time and select certain players from most counties who engaged in a certain types of way that might have let their side down and that wasn't considered gentlemanly or appropriate behaviour. Back in the day, it was only angels that played football and hurling. I always reflect on Mickey Ned running through the Dublin defence and after about 6 Dublin men fail in trying to break his leg / stop his progress, the bold Sean Doherty, the Dublin full back comes forth from his full back position where he stood all day, and unceremoniously "tackles" Mickey Ned, knocking him unconscious, Mickey Ned is carrried off on a door and doesn't remember the day of the all Ireland final and isn't able to accept the Sam Maguire that day.But sure that was the Kerry golden years and Heffo's army and all that. Happy days. Have a look and reminisce about the good old days. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw
And now to Mr. Whelan - basically Whelo is saying that it was alright ( please refer to Peter Canavan's article last week about men trying to break his leg and jaw ) to go out and "do" a man with a shoe or a fist but it's terrible to whisper something in his ear. Oh the irony of it all.
And finally I don't accept that reacting to sledging is in some way a deficit in your make up and is a human weakness and that sledging should be laughed off.
The notion that sledging isn't new is hardly much of a defence - it reeks of "We've burned witches around here for generations, so why should the current lads be criticised for burning witches now?"
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Sledging is nothing new nor do I agree with it or condone it. When northern teams would be lining up for Amhran na bhFiann, some "southern" players from "southern" teams would regularly try to wind them up by asking them when their anthem was going to be played, calling them British basatards, go back to England and you'd have nothing up there were it not for the Queen etc etc. I emphasise that only some players would do this. Same on all teams. To broad brush a whole team or a whole region of players is just trying to generalise, is lazy and is completely wrong. So fair is fair.
And for Indy to come on and say that Harte made a quote in 2000 about it being a Tyrone tactic and that he "trains" his teams in sledging etc is again insulting and way way off the mark and very disappointing. All teams will have players that will take things up to the line and even over it on occasion, but please don't label them all.
If you wanted to, you could probably look back over time and select certain players from most counties who engaged in a certain types of way that might have let their side down and that wasn't considered gentlemanly or appropriate behaviour. Back in the day, it was only angels that played football and hurling. I always reflect on Mickey Ned running through the Dublin defence and after about 6 Dublin men fail in trying to break his leg / stop his progress, the bold Sean Doherty, the Dublin full back comes forth from his full back position where he stood all day, and unceremoniously "tackles" Mickey Ned, knocking him unconscious, Mickey Ned is carrried off on a door and doesn't remember the day of the all Ireland final and isn't able to accept the Sam Maguire that day.But sure that was the Kerry golden years and Heffo's army and all that. Happy days. Have a look and reminisce about the good old days. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw
And now to Mr. Whelan - basically Whelo is saying that it was alright ( please refer to Peter Canavan's article last week about men trying to break his leg and jaw ) to go out and "do" a man with a shoe or a fist but it's terrible to whisper something in his ear. Oh the irony of it all.
And finally I don't accept that reacting to sledging is in some way a deficit in your make up and is a human weakness and that sledging should be laughed off.
It's the truth and you know it. I will post the quote if you want. I know the way your teams are trained. We copied your devlopment model in the early 2000s but we left that bit out. I've first hand experience of being on the line at underage matches between the two counties listening to it so don't tell me I'm spoofing when I've first hand experience of it. Why oh why you have to engage in it at all is beyond me
However Donegal were at least as bad at it yesterday and unfortunately now it's become part of the game for most counties now
Post the development model where it says that sledging is on the programme.
And Dublin players and players from other counties have been engaged in sledging. As you say it's almost endemic now unfortunately. Pillar's men were saints and never engaged in anything other than good clean football. No sledging or anything like that.
Jinxy is right - sledging is bad and doesn't work and is getting far too much negative publicity ( and rightly so ) - we need to bring back a bit of good old style Meath ;) fisticuffs / schemozzle type behaviour.
Let's hear it for the Meath men.
And by saying that sledging is nothing new is not even an attempt at defending that type of behaviour. It's wrong.
Orangeman, that Mickey Ned video is not an example of sledging.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 10:42:12 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2015, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Tyrone are not capable of beating Dublin at present. You just aren't good enough anymore. Outside Peter Harte nobody else would make the Dublin team . Well maybe Mc Curry too because he'd be accepted for the skills he has rather then the ones he doesn't have.
Donegal don't look like they have the legs anymore. Once we get the setup right we should be fine against them . Kerry are the team we probably won't beat this year because of the forward line they have this year
I seem to remember Dubs saying that only Murphy would make the Dublin team last year & look at how that turned out.
As for Donegal not having the legs, if that helps you sleep at night then fire away.
One thing I do know is that if Dublin had played in Ballybofey yesterday, with the chokers that got found out last year, they would have been beaten out the gate by either Donegal or Tyrone.
Yesterday was a battle of will & character, all about not bending the knee. There was no room for fancy dan football in the conditions & Dublin would have been obliterated.
Quote from: highorlow on May 18, 2015, 10:57:57 AM
Orangeman, that Mickey Ned video is not an example of sledging.
it is.
Different type of sledging. ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Sledging is nothing new nor do I agree with it or condone it. When northern teams would be lining up for Amhran na bhFiann, some "southern" players from "southern" teams would regularly try to wind them up by asking them when their anthem was going to be played, calling them British basatards, go back to England and you'd have nothing up there were it not for the Queen etc etc. I emphasise that only some players would do this. Same on all teams. To broad brush a whole team or a whole region of players is just trying to generalise, is lazy and is completely wrong. So fair is fair.
And for Indy to come on and say that Harte made a quote in 2000 about it being a Tyrone tactic and that he "trains" his teams in sledging etc is again insulting and way way off the mark and very disappointing. All teams will have players that will take things up to the line and even over it on occasion, but please don't label them all.
If you wanted to, you could probably look back over time and select certain players from most counties who engaged in a certain types of way that might have let their side down and that wasn't considered gentlemanly or appropriate behaviour. Back in the day, it was only angels that played football and hurling. I always reflect on Mickey Ned running through the Dublin defence and after about 6 Dublin men fail in trying to break his leg / stop his progress, the bold Sean Doherty, the Dublin full back comes forth from his full back position where he stood all day, and unceremoniously "tackles" Mickey Ned, knocking him unconscious, Mickey Ned is carrried off on a door and doesn't remember the day of the all Ireland final and isn't able to accept the Sam Maguire that day.But sure that was the Kerry golden years and Heffo's army and all that. Happy days. Have a look and reminisce about the good old days. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw
And now to Mr. Whelan - basically Whelo is saying that it was alright ( please refer to Peter Canavan's article last week about men trying to break his leg and jaw ) to go out and "do" a man with a shoe or a fist but it's terrible to whisper something in his ear. Oh the irony of it all.
And finally I don't accept that reacting to sledging is in some way a deficit in your make up and is a human weakness and that sledging should be laughed off.
It's the truth and you know it. I will post the quote if you want. I know the way your teams are trained. We copied your devlopment model in the early 2000s but we left that bit out. I've first hand experience of being on the line at underage matches between the two counties listening to it so don't tell me I'm spoofing when I've first hand experience of it. Why oh why you have to engage in it at all is beyond me
However Donegal were at least as bad at it yesterday and unfortunately now it's become part of the game for most counties now
No, you obviously don't. All you're doing is parroting Brolly and other outsiders who are making presumptions and repeating them ad nauseam as fact. All I KNOW is that since the start of the Tyrone development squad system is that it has produced more All Ireland Minor winning teams than any other county in Ireland.
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/triumphalism-sparks-fury-26305173.html
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2015, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Sledging is nothing new nor do I agree with it or condone it. When northern teams would be lining up for Amhran na bhFiann, some "southern" players from "southern" teams would regularly try to wind them up by asking them when their anthem was going to be played, calling them British basatards, go back to England and you'd have nothing up there were it not for the Queen etc etc. I emphasise that only some players would do this. Same on all teams. To broad brush a whole team or a whole region of players is just trying to generalise, is lazy and is completely wrong. So fair is fair.
And for Indy to come on and say that Harte made a quote in 2000 about it being a Tyrone tactic and that he "trains" his teams in sledging etc is again insulting and way way off the mark and very disappointing. All teams will have players that will take things up to the line and even over it on occasion, but please don't label them all.
If you wanted to, you could probably look back over time and select certain players from most counties who engaged in a certain types of way that might have let their side down and that wasn't considered gentlemanly or appropriate behaviour. Back in the day, it was only angels that played football and hurling. I always reflect on Mickey Ned running through the Dublin defence and after about 6 Dublin men fail in trying to break his leg / stop his progress, the bold Sean Doherty, the Dublin full back comes forth from his full back position where he stood all day, and unceremoniously "tackles" Mickey Ned, knocking him unconscious, Mickey Ned is carrried off on a door and doesn't remember the day of the all Ireland final and isn't able to accept the Sam Maguire that day.But sure that was the Kerry golden years and Heffo's army and all that. Happy days. Have a look and reminisce about the good old days. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw
And now to Mr. Whelan - basically Whelo is saying that it was alright ( please refer to Peter Canavan's article last week about men trying to break his leg and jaw ) to go out and "do" a man with a shoe or a fist but it's terrible to whisper something in his ear. Oh the irony of it all.
And finally I don't accept that reacting to sledging is in some way a deficit in your make up and is a human weakness and that sledging should be laughed off.
It's the truth and you know it. I will post the quote if you want. I know the way your teams are trained. We copied your devlopment model in the early 2000s but we left that bit out. I've first hand experience of being on the line at underage matches between the two counties listening to it so don't tell me I'm spoofing when I've first hand experience of it. Why oh why you have to engage in it at all is beyond me
However Donegal were at least as bad at it yesterday and unfortunately now it's become part of the game for most counties now
Post the development model where it says that sledging is on the programme.
And Dublin players and players from other counties have been engaged in sledging. As you say it's almost endemic now unfortunately. Pillar's men were saints and never engaged in anything other than good clean football. No sledging or anything like that.
Jinxy is right - sledging is bad and doesn't work and is getting far too much negative publicity ( and rightly so ) - we need to bring back a bit of good old style Meath ;) fisticuffs / schemozzle type behaviour.
Let's hear it for the Meath men.
And by saying that sledging is nothing new is not even an attempt at defending that type of behaviour. It's wrong.
Dublin have had Sledgers in the past . But when you look at the list of them . They all had one thing in common all sub standard players who needed the sledging because ultimately they were hiding their own inadequacies. They didn't deliver all Ireland's. The current Dublin team doesn't engage in it because they don't have to or need to.
It was the one nasty element of the Tyrone 2003-2008 team. And when you look at the players who are at it you can understand why. They won all Ireland's on the back of other players excellence . The current Tyrone team are all at it for the simple reason they need all the help they can get.
One post only from me on yesterday's game and I will leave you all to it as I can't stomach some of the nonsense on this thread.
My overall feeling is one of disappointment, I had a quiet confidence heading to Ballybofey yesterday and we were right in the game after McCurry's goal but the scores conceded just before half time were a disaster. In the second half we couldn't get our noses in front and Donegal were excellent at picking off scores to keep us at arm's length every time we got it level. An enjoyable game, full of effort and heart from both teams. We just can't seem to get the better of this Donegal team and fair play to them for that, they take everything Tyrone throw at them and come back for more and I can only admire their ability to do that.
I take great issue with some of the comments about Tyrone, it's as if we are the only GAA team in the country who play on the edge or indeed overstep the mark. I'm not going to come on here and say we don't go too far on occasions, I know we do. But at least I can see it and hold my hands up to say it happens. Most other people are completely blinded by county loyalty and it's laughable really. For every late hit and word exchanged between Justin McMahon and Michael Murphy yesterday see Eamon McGee on Sean Cavanagh. See Ronan McNamee on McBrearty, see Paddy McGrath hanging off Darren McCurry. Teams set out to disrupt and negate the oppositions key men, but if you read everything on this board you would think Tyrone are the only guilty party. Neil McGee saw big McNulty coming his direction and wrestled him to the ground to lay down his marker. When Mark McHugh came on he got a rattle straight away from Mattie Donnelly. Take off the rose tinted glasses and see the game for what it is. If you don't like it, fine, but don't try to absolve your own county from all blame because you are too blind to see the truth.
When the final whistle blew yesterday the players shook hands and left it at that. I wish some of you on here could do that as well.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 18, 2015, 10:16:43 AM
There's a direct inverse relationship between the rise of sledging and the demise of punching in gaelic football.
We need to bring back punching.
I agree ;D
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF425/314471.jpg)
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2015, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Sledging is nothing new nor do I agree with it or condone it. When northern teams would be lining up for Amhran na bhFiann, some "southern" players from "southern" teams would regularly try to wind them up by asking them when their anthem was going to be played, calling them British basatards, go back to England and you'd have nothing up there were it not for the Queen etc etc. I emphasise that only some players would do this. Same on all teams. To broad brush a whole team or a whole region of players is just trying to generalise, is lazy and is completely wrong. So fair is fair.
And for Indy to come on and say that Harte made a quote in 2000 about it being a Tyrone tactic and that he "trains" his teams in sledging etc is again insulting and way way off the mark and very disappointing. All teams will have players that will take things up to the line and even over it on occasion, but please don't label them all.
If you wanted to, you could probably look back over time and select certain players from most counties who engaged in a certain types of way that might have let their side down and that wasn't considered gentlemanly or appropriate behaviour. Back in the day, it was only angels that played football and hurling. I always reflect on Mickey Ned running through the Dublin defence and after about 6 Dublin men fail in trying to break his leg / stop his progress, the bold Sean Doherty, the Dublin full back comes forth from his full back position where he stood all day, and unceremoniously "tackles" Mickey Ned, knocking him unconscious, Mickey Ned is carrried off on a door and doesn't remember the day of the all Ireland final and isn't able to accept the Sam Maguire that day.But sure that was the Kerry golden years and Heffo's army and all that. Happy days. Have a look and reminisce about the good old days. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw
And now to Mr. Whelan - basically Whelo is saying that it was alright ( please refer to Peter Canavan's article last week about men trying to break his leg and jaw ) to go out and "do" a man with a shoe or a fist but it's terrible to whisper something in his ear. Oh the irony of it all.
And finally I don't accept that reacting to sledging is in some way a deficit in your make up and is a human weakness and that sledging should be laughed off.
It's the truth and you know it. I will post the quote if you want. I know the way your teams are trained. We copied your devlopment model in the early 2000s but we left that bit out. I've first hand experience of being on the line at underage matches between the two counties listening to it so don't tell me I'm spoofing when I've first hand experience of it. Why oh why you have to engage in it at all is beyond me
However Donegal were at least as bad at it yesterday and unfortunately now it's become part of the game for most counties now
Post the development model where it says that sledging is on the programme.
And Dublin players and players from other counties have been engaged in sledging. As you say it's almost endemic now unfortunately. Pillar's men were saints and never engaged in anything other than good clean football. No sledging or anything like that.
Jinxy is right - sledging is bad and doesn't work and is getting far too much negative publicity ( and rightly so ) - we need to bring back a bit of good old style Meath ;) fisticuffs / schemozzle type behaviour.
Let's hear it for the Meath men.
And by saying that sledging is nothing new is not even an attempt at defending that type of behaviour. It's wrong.
Dublin have had Sledgers in the past . But when you look at the list of them . They all had one thing in common all sub standard players who needed the sledging because ultimately they were hiding their own inadequacies. They didn't deliver all Ireland's. The current Dublin team doesn't engage in it because they don't have to or need to.
It was the one nasty element of the Tyrone 2003-2008 team. And when you look at the players who are at it you can understand why. They won all Ireland's on the back of other players excellence . The current Tyrone team are all at it for the simple reason they need all the help they can get.
I'm not for arguing with you anymore after you've just accused an entire team and management of engaging in and promoting sledging.
You do make real good points / arguments on here but you lose a lot by taking the broad brush out and peddling untruths about development squads plans etc.
Donegal must need a lot of help too if you're argument above stacks up - you said a few posts back that Donegal were every bit as bad as Tyrone were. That's insulting to the Donegal team as well.
That's me finished. I've had my say.
Regarding sledging yesterday - I seem to remember alot of Donegal players doing it too.
Obviously Eamon McGee was at it considering the strong reactions of some of the players towards him during the game - not least at half time!
Sean Cavanagh wouldn't be the type to start trouble - usually pretty calm!
Also young Mark Bradley came on and I think he miscontrolled the ball out over the end line and I can't remember who the player was but they were shouting into his face after he did it! No call for that kind of behaviour either.
Quote from: WT4E on May 18, 2015, 11:28:38 AM
Regarding sledging yesterday - I seem to remember alot of Donegal players doing it too.
Obviously Eamon McGee was at it considering the strong reactions of some of the players towards him during the game - not least at half time!
Sean Cavanagh wouldn't be the type to start trouble - usually pretty calm!
Also young Mark Bradley came on and I think he miscontrolled the ball out over the end line and I can't remember who the player was but they were shouting into his face after he did it! No call for that kind of behaviour either.
That was Mark McHugh on Bradley, stood out for me as one of the more gypsy acts as there was no aggro between the two players and the ball had not even been contested by anybody prior to Bradley fumbling it (which he did more than once when he came on).
First comment ever on this and only because of this guy above who is stating Tyrone train their development squads to partake in sledging! Are you serious? I can categorically say that this has never happened and never will. Your point is absolutely ridiculous. Catch a grip would you and just stop watching tyrone games if your to soft.
Every team and every sport has players who will mouth at each other and always will. It comes from opponents playing on the edge! Anyone with half a brain should be able to take just like murphy and Cavanagh did yesterday.
It happened from both sides Donegal are as bad a s anyone if not the worst in the game. We have our own culprits obviously as does everyone else.
That was a pure physical battle yesterday and can only commend players for putting their bodies on the, obviously in those circumstances things will boil over. Donegal were/are the better team. Harte just does not have an answer for the blanket defence and we brought nothing new yesterday. We need a full fwd who can win his own ball and a free taker. Dan Mc Nulty from the under 21s seems like the obvious choice but will likely not paly whilst harte's in charge.
Qualifiers now, what a depressing monday
that's a really poor forum name 'defender !
Highlights of yesterdays game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPDd6HrYM3M
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To clear up one thing - the talk on here and suggestions on RTE that Cavanagh tried to get Gallagher sent off were completely inaccurate. Before the tv caught the incident Gallagher had grabbed Cavanagh three times by the throat. Then he walked behind him and tried to twist his arm which then turned into a pulling match. The only thing the ref and linesmen got wrong was that Cavanagh never should have been booked. I hate when refs/linesmen cop out and book both players when one is clearly only defending themselves.
Not a fan of Cavanagh due to his diving but in this incident he was completely innocent.
He is never completely innocent, he just wasn't fully guilty in that incident. I thought it was a 50/50, it took off when Cavanagh overreacted to a touch from Gallagher.
By that stage of the game Cavanagh was overwrought/out of control.
Just after that (or was it just before?) , he made a desperate dolphin like attempt to win a free kick, right in front of Joe's nose. Any ref would have taken that as personal insult directed to his intelligence. And soon after that, he copped a very soft 2nd card.
Maybe McQuillan could have exercised discretion in that incident and just had harsh words with Sean, pour a bucket of ice water over him.
Overall, I though McQuillan did well in difficult circumstances.
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To clear up one thing - the talk on here and suggestions on RTE that Cavanagh tried to get Gallagher sent off were completely inaccurate. Before the tv caught the incident Gallagher had grabbed Cavanagh three times by the throat. Then he walked behind him and tried to twist his arm which then turned into a pulling match. The only thing the ref and linesmen got wrong was that Cavanagh never should have been booked. I hate when refs/linesmen cop out and book both players when one is clearly only defending themselves.
Not a fan of Cavanagh due to his diving but in this incident he was completely innocent.
He is never completely innocent, he just wasn't fully guilty in that incident. I thought it was a 50/50, it took off when Cavanagh overreacted to a touch from Gallagher.
By that stage of the game Cavanagh was overwrought/out of control.
Just after that (or was it just before?) , he made a desperate dolphin like attempt to win a free kick, right in front of Joe's nose. Any ref would have taken that as personal insult directed to his intelligence. And soon after that, he copped a very soft 2nd card.
Maybe McQuillan could have exercised discretion in that incident and just had harsh words with Sean, pour a bucket of ice water over him.
Overall, I though McQuillan did well in difficult circumstances.
Gallagher kept going and going at him though - it wasn't just one grab. Don't get me wrong not a fan of Cavanagh's but in this instance thought he was innocent. Once Cavangh is within scoreable free range if he can't get a shot off (or a pass to someone in much better position) he will fall over but that's all independent of that incident.
Ref was ok but not great. Justin McMahon should probably have had a lot more frees against him. People say he marked Murphy within the rules but a strict ref wouldn't have seen it as that. Also Christy Toye took the opportunity to do a Tyrone boy while the ball was coming in from a hospital pass. Lots of refs would have given red for that too.
I think that's it from Tyrone. . . they'll not challenge any of the bigger teams.
They were under so much pressure to win that game and the Half Time nonsense proved it. They don't have the players they once did and they fought tooth and nail for everything yesterday but still couldn't get over the line. In fairness Donegal were never really in trouble after their goal in the first half.
For someone to say Tyrone would beat Dublin is laughable. They would get beat out the gate and no amount of close league games over the last few years is going to frighten anybody!!
Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
This is a black card offence but has anyone been black carded yet for it. Surely this could be used to try cut down on the verbals seen yesterday. The second half was a mess yesterday after a decent first half.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
To clear up one thing - the talk on here and suggestions on RTE that Cavanagh tried to get Gallagher sent off were completely inaccurate. Before the tv caught the incident Gallagher had grabbed Cavanagh three times by the throat. Then he walked behind him and tried to twist his arm which then turned into a pulling match. The only thing the ref and linesmen got wrong was that Cavanagh never should have been booked. I hate when refs/linesmen cop out and book both players when one is clearly only defending themselves.
Not a fan of Cavanagh due to his diving but in this incident he was completely innocent.
He is never completely innocent, he just wasn't fully guilty in that incident. I thought it was a 50/50, it took off when Cavanagh overreacted to a touch from Gallagher.
By that stage of the game Cavanagh was overwrought/out of control.
Just after that (or was it just before?) , he made a desperate dolphin like attempt to win a free kick, right in front of Joe's nose. Any ref would have taken that as personal insult directed to his intelligence. And soon after that, he copped a very soft 2nd card.
Maybe McQuillan could have exercised discretion in that incident and just had harsh words with Sean, pour a bucket of ice water over him.
Overall, I though McQuillan did well in difficult circumstances.
That was brilliant.
Reminded me of the end of Free Willy.
I guess compared to other counties we are at disadvantage in the sledging stakes since we don't have that many hills or get much snow in Meath.
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I think that's it from Tyrone. . . they'll not challenge any of the bigger teams.
They were under so much pressure to win that game and the Half Time nonsense proved it. They don't have the players they once did and they fought tooth and nail for everything yesterday but still couldn't get over the line. In fairness Donegal were never really in trouble after their goal in the first half.
For someone to say Tyrone would beat Dublin is laughable. They would get beat out the gate and no amount of close league games over the last few years is going to frighten anybody!!
The width of a cross bar saved Donegal at the end. Tyrone had 3 goal chances and were on top. A slow start cost us the game but they gave Donegal plenty of problems. We had 4 players playing at some point yesterday who were making their championship debuts. A few others such as Tierney and McAliskey have only made very limited championship games. I've no doubt if the effort is put in the team can build on yesterday. Hopefully a few more of the u21s can come in - the boys who played yesterday were only back in the panel 2 weeks so not surprising they struggled yesterday but could well improve. A fit Joe McMahon and Clarke would add a bit more power.
It was me who mentioned Dublin and I didn't say we'd beat them. I said I'd be more scared of Donegal than Dublin. Given our recent record versus Dublin and the fact Donegal hammered them in last years championship would suggest the comment wasn't that stupid.
What "recent record versus Dublin " are you referring to?
The 4 league games in the last 3 years in which no more than a point has separated the teams either way. This included a league final. If anything Dublin nearly do better in the league than championship. Are you annoyed that I've stated from a Tyrone point of view I'd be more worried about playing Donegal in the championship than Dublinb?
You are spot on, would rather face the dubs over Donegal any day. Donegal have our number
redhanddefender? Is that not a bit of a contentious name?
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
Woo hoo, great result, justice for the game of gaelic football, the most cynical and dirtiest team to ever play the game are out, hopefully the media will rightly slate them tomorrow for what they are.
;D ;D ;D
Are you on your period or what ?
Quote from: Canalman on May 18, 2015, 02:31:04 PM
What "recent record versus Dublin " are you referring to?
They can't refer to a recent record because they haven't got one . Donegal could beat Dublin - Tyrone haven't the players to do it. Sledging wouldn't be enough either.
Dublin have won 2 out of the last 4 all Ireland titles. The only people who can remember Tyrones last win is Tyrone.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
The 4 league games in the last 3 years in which no more than a point has separated the teams either way. This included a league final. If anything Dublin nearly do better in the league than championship. Are you annoyed that I've stated from a Tyrone point of view I'd be more worried about playing Donegal in the championship than Dublinb?
Nope.
Quote from: thejuice on May 18, 2015, 01:39:10 PM
I guess compared to other counties we are at disadvantage in the sledging stakes since we don't have that many hills or get much snow in Meath.
Lack of hills or snow never held ye back in the past, doubt it's going to stop ye now?
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Quote from: Canalman on May 18, 2015, 02:31:04 PM
What "recent record versus Dublin " are you referring to?
They can't refer to a recent record because they haven't got one . Donegal could beat Dublin - Tyrone haven't the players to do it. Sledging wouldn't be enough either.
Dublin have won 2 out of the last 4 all Ireland titles. The only people who can remember Tyrones last win is Tyrone.
Dublin have won less All Irelands in the last 12 years than Tyrone, I think that's getting to you Indiana. It might not be this year but over the next few years we'll be back challenging again at the top and causing the Dubs plenty of problems.
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Quote from: Canalman on May 18, 2015, 02:31:04 PM
What "recent record versus Dublin " are you referring to?
They can't refer to a recent record because they haven't got one . Donegal could beat Dublin - Tyrone haven't the players to do it. Sledging wouldn't be enough either.
Dublin have won 2 out of the last 4 all Ireland titles. The only people who can remember Tyrones last win is Tyrone.
Dublin have won less All Irelands in the last 12 years than Tyrone, I think that's getting to you Indiana. It might not be this year but over the next few years we'll be back challenging again at the top and causing the Dubs plenty of problems.
CLASSIC!!!!
You do know Dublin have won 24 All Irelands compared to Tyrone's 3?! There was football before 2003 y'know!!
They've also won 3 out of the last 6 Under 21s compared to Tyrone's 1. . . Keep it up this is great stuff!
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 02:54:06 PM
Quote from: Canalman on May 18, 2015, 02:31:04 PM
What "recent record versus Dublin " are you referring to?
They can't refer to a recent record because they haven't got one . Donegal could beat Dublin - Tyrone haven't the players to do it. Sledging wouldn't be enough either.
Dublin have won 2 out of the last 4 all Ireland titles. The only people who can remember Tyrones last win is Tyrone.
Dublin have won less All Irelands in the last 12 years than Tyrone, I think that's getting to you Indiana. It might not be this year but over the next few years we'll be back challenging again at the top and causing the Dubs plenty of problems.
CLASSIC!!!!
You do know Dublin have won 24 All Irelands compared to Tyrone's 3?! There was football before 2003 y'know!!
They've also won 3 out of the last 6 Under 21s compared to Tyrone's 1. . . Keep it up this is great stuff!
We've still won more this millenium than they have - no point in dealing with ancient history. Some of their supporters on here have an awful chip on their shoulder for whatever reason. They seem to think teams shouldn't play with tactics and let them run all ove you. For god sake Ciaran Whelan and the boys were giving out because we sent Justy McMahon out to try and limit and Murphys influence on the game. I've no idea how anyone could have watched yesterdays game and said it was anything other than a good championship tussle by two very committed teams in poor conditions.
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Quote from: Canalman on May 18, 2015, 02:31:04 PM
What "recent record versus Dublin " are you referring to?
They can't refer to a recent record because they haven't got one . Donegal could beat Dublin - Tyrone haven't the players to do it. Sledging wouldn't be enough either.
Dublin have won 2 out of the last 4 all Ireland titles. The only people who can remember Tyrones last win is Tyrone.
Dublin have won less All Irelands in the last 12 years than Tyrone, I think that's getting to you Indiana. It might not be this year but over the next few years we'll be back challenging again at the top and causing the Dubs plenty of problems.
You'll need a lot more then one all u21 Ireland title. I don't see the optimism . You'd a number of brilliant players on the 2003-2008. This team outside Harte and Mc Curry is just average. Donegal were absolutely comfortable yesterday and really it was old age that gave Tyrone a chance more then anything.
It was an improved Tyrone performance but it's indicative of how far they've fallen that a 3 point defeat is seen as a moral victory. Teams that can't score heavy don't win anything
Ye know fcuk all about football.
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Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 17, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
Woo hoo, great result, justice for the game of gaelic football, the most cynical and dirtiest team to ever play the game are out, hopefully the media will rightly slate them tomorrow for what they are.
;D ;D ;D
Are you on your period or what ?
The worrying thing there is if he comes back and says hes not!
If he is cranberry juice they reckon,and just too answer his hope,Kerry,Dublin and Mayo weren't playing yesterday so there wont be much paperspace towards the cynical dirty stuff and as a footnote neither contender in the Battle of Ballyboffey is out.
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On the girlfriend phone number debate have any of you considered that maybe a man did actually know the guys girlfriend and still stays close. Playground stuff
Bullshit . And it wasn't just one player. Harte made a significant quote in 2000 where he said sledging was part of the game as far as he's concerned. He has trained his teams accordingly and it's now firmly part of the Tyrone doctrine at development level. Everyone in Ulster copied it and it's now part of the game there.
I've the height of respect for Harte as an individual but I dislike the way he trains his football teams.
On the game itself fundamentally Tyrone don't score enough. And because of that they won't win anything for a while. It's a sad day for the game when a talent like Mc Curry has to play around the middle to get the ball. In modern Gaelic Football the talentless are admired for work rate and intensity and the class acts are reduced to hod carriers.
Utter lies - just because somebody told you that in the pub or Joe Brolly says it doesn't make it true.
No it's not pub talk and the idea that I'd post pub talk is absurd.
And that's the last I'm saying on it. If the Tyrone players in question were put on a lie detector test they'd fail.
So you heard it on the Jeremy Kyle show in the pub ... I rest my case your honour ::)
p.s. you cant say thats the last thing Im saying on it .. and then say something else ... thats a bit mad Ted !!
It could be funny this weekend after the Cavan Monaghan match. If anything I could see it being a more negative game and could be a few incidents as well.
Did Paddy Heaney give a two page report of the "dust up" at half time, the poor artane boys band were stuck in the middle again, or does he just reserve his drivel for Armagh?
No,it's just a conspiracy against Armagh.
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Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 07:04:39 AM
On the girlfriend phone number debate have any of you considered that maybe a man did actually know the guys girlfriend and still stays close. Playground stuff
Bullshit . And it wasn't just one player. Harte made a significant quote in 2000 where he said sledging was part of the game as far as he's concerned. He has trained his teams accordingly and it's now firmly part of the Tyrone doctrine at development level. Everyone in Ulster copied it and it's now part of the game there.
I've the height of respect for Harte as an individual but I dislike the way he trains his football teams.
On the game itself fundamentally Tyrone don't score enough. And because of that they won't win anything for a while. It's a sad day for the game when a talent like Mc Curry has to play around the middle to get the ball. In modern Gaelic Football the talentless are admired for work rate and intensity and the class acts are reduced to hod carriers.
Utter lies - just because somebody told you that in the pub or Joe Brolly says it doesn't make it true.
No it's not pub talk and the idea that I'd post pub talk is absurd.
And that's the last I'm saying on it. If the Tyrone players in question were put on a lie detector test they'd fail.
So you heard it on the Jeremy Kyle show in the pub ... I rest my case your honour ::)
p.s. you cant say thats the last thing Im saying on it .. and then say something else ... thats a bit mad Ted !!
Its a fact. Sledging is part of the doctrine of playing football now. It's a sad state of affairs for the game at large.
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
Ye know fcuk all about football.
Maybe but Tyrone are only a reasonable outfit at present. You need another 5/6 players like Peter Harte realistically before you'll worry the top 3 in Croke Park. You're never going to win anything with Darren Mc Curry playing at midfield.
You just don't score enough and I didn't see any obvious plan how to go about it. Donegal had a plan to get shooters between the two banks of Tyrone defenders by getting runners from deep traversing across the pitch and hitting the space between the two banks at precisely the right time. As much as I despise Rory Gallagher , the guy can coach and he had his homework done.
That finish for the goal yesterday by Mc Curry was absolutely sublime - it's a terrible shame to see him wasted around the middle. You played to keep the score down and you lost. Fortune favours the brave most of the time.
Another thread on a Tyrone game dominated by the ramblings of an obsessive Dub. You'd nearly think there was no interest in the Leinster championship! Just out of interest Indiana, how many posts have you made in the Offaly v Longford thread!
Is there a hierarchy of sledging?
Which is off bounds or are all of these fair game? Sister/mother/girlfriend/ex-girlfriend/boyfriend? What determines if a county is more or less guilty than another?
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Ye know fcuk all about football.
Maybe but Tyrone are only a reasonable outfit at present. You need another 5/6 players like Peter Harte realistically before you'll worry the top 3 in Croke Park. You're never going to win anything with Darren Mc Curry playing at midfield.
You just don't score enough and I didn't see any obvious plan how to go about it. Donegal had a plan to get shooters between the two banks of Tyrone defenders by getting runners from deep traversing across the pitch and hitting the space between the two banks at precisely the right time. As much as I despise Rory Gallagher , the guy can coach and he had his homework done.
That finish for the goal yesterday by Mc Curry was absolutely sublime - it's a terrible shame to see him wasted around the middle. You played to keep the score down and you lost. Fortune favours the brave most of the time.
Given that you've highlighted it a number of times on the board, why do you despise Rory Gallagher.
A strong word. An emotional word.
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Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
Ye know fcuk all about football.
Maybe but Tyrone are only a reasonable outfit at present. You need another 5/6 players like Peter Harte realistically before you'll worry the top 3 in Croke Park. You're never going to win anything with Darren Mc Curry playing at midfield.
You just don't score enough and I didn't see any obvious plan how to go about it. Donegal had a plan to get shooters between the two banks of Tyrone defenders by getting runners from deep traversing across the pitch and hitting the space between the two banks at precisely the right time. As much as I despise Rory Gallagher , the guy can coach and he had his homework done.
That finish for the goal yesterday by Mc Curry was absolutely sublime - it's a terrible shame to see him wasted around the middle. You played to keep the score down and you lost. Fortune favours the brave most of the time.
Given that you've highlighted it a number of times on the board, why do you despise Rory Gallagher.
A strong word. An emotional word.
His antics on the line against Dublin have to be seen to be believed. Small man syndrome one can only guess.
They say familiarity breeds contempt. There might be a begrudging ounce of respect between both county's players but that's marginal . Their sick of the sight of each other & due to the draw & the qualifer system, Ulster teams have to keep facing each other , alot of times having to play each other twice in a championship summer or not facing a team from another province until maybe the semi finals.
Were sick of tyrone, sick of monaghan, getting quite sick of derry and most likley in the near future sick of armagh with all these counties also being sick of us.
For some reason I cant help feeling that we will play tyrone again this summer & be drawn against them in next year's preliminary round again as well. No wonder there's alot of this sledging & negativity!
Counties from other provinces just dont end up playing each other with the same frequency and it's why the Ulster championship is actually worth something in the end.
Anyway tyrone never once rolled over but there's just too much handpassing in that team , they started kicking it in in the last 5 mins but by then it was too late. Wheras for us I thought we kicked to decent effect yesterday and its something I want to see more of .
As a matter of interest Indiana have you ever played club football and if so for whom? Or are you just like 98% of other Dublin fans?
Quote from: StGallsGAA on May 18, 2015, 08:38:47 PM
As a matter of interest Indiana have you ever played club football and if so for whom? Or are you just like 98% of other Dublin fans?
Don't get him started on his All Ireland medals!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on May 18, 2015, 08:38:47 PM
As a matter of interest Indiana have you ever played club football and if so for whom? Or are you just like 98% of other Dublin fans?
St Vincents and I've played at the highest level of the game. I know a little bit about the game.
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Quote from: StGallsGAA on May 18, 2015, 08:38:47 PM
As a matter of interest Indiana have you ever played club football and if so for whom? Or are you just like 98% of other Dublin fans?
St Vincents and I've played at the highest level of the game. I know a little bit about the game.
And Pat Spillane has a bag full of AI medals and all-stars...
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No,it's just a conspiracy against Armagh.
I knew it!!!!
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As a matter of interest Indiana have you ever played club football and if so for whom? Or are you just like 98% of other Dublin fans?
St Vincents and I've played at the highest level of the game. I know a little bit about the game.
And Pat Spillane has a bag full of AI medals and all-stars...
True but he's never trained teams for any lengthy period of time so he's a bit out of touch- however you have to respect to some degree a player with a medal haul like that
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 18, 2015, 02:49:50 PM
redhanddefender? Is that not a bit of a contentious name?
he definitely wasn't living in the 6 counties during the 70s and 80s with that name
Really enjoyed yesterday's game and a very encouraging performance. The atmosphere in the ground took me back to the rivalry with armagh in the noughties. Plenty of banter. Now I know that Tyrones support might not be the most popular around the country but what about donegals? From women shrieking cmon Donegal to booing of the Tyrone team. Some fella behind me giving off about Tyrone not playing football as Donegal have every player in their own half! Again I know Tyrone fans are no angels but my god
So the annual spitting sledging pulling and dragging cheating Ulster championship has started, we saw the curtain go up yesterday in the style we expected, a true ulster classic, but all is forgiven because their were several good scores and about five minutes of good football, but us freestaters dont understand the good people of ulster.
Why dont ye just go out and play football as everyone knows ye can, play whatever system ye want but leave out the thuggery and stop bringing the game we all love into disrepute. Show a bit of respect for our game and above all show some respect for one another and for yereselves.
Haha bringing the game into disrepute. What two Ulster teams were involved in that all Ireland in the 90s when there was a mass brawl?
I hope you were a leading player Ballagh as otherwise it seems you're not entitled to comment on this whole subject.
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I'd forgotten how much I detested Tyrone until I saw Philip Jordan on the TV.
His newspaper articles are quite good but it's very hard to give him any credit as he will only ever be remembered for one incident.
Marsden was totally cleared. But Jordan never spoke to Diarmuid and never apologised. I guess that's the Tyrone way.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 18, 2015, 10:05:50 PM
So the annual spitting sledging pulling and dragging cheating Ulster championship has started, we saw the curtain go up yesterday in the style we expected, a true ulster classic, but all is forgiven because their were several good scores and about five minutes of good football, but us freestaters dont understand the good people of ulster.
Why dont ye just go out and play football as everyone knows ye can, play whatever system ye want but leave out the thuggery and stop bringing the game we all love into disrepute. Show a bit of respect for our game and above all show some respect for one another and for yereselves.
Hmm , think you might have overcooked this just a bit , a bit too sanctimonious to take seriously tbf
world peace 'n'all that
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 08:48:09 PM
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As a matter of interest Indiana have you ever played club football and if so for whom? Or are you just like 98% of other Dublin fans?
St Vincents and I've played at the highest level of the game. I know a little bit about the game.
And Pat Spillane has a bag full of AI medals and all-stars...
True but he's never trained teams for any lengthy period of time so he's a bit out of touch- however you have to respect to some degree a player with a medal haul like that
I'm impressed.. What year did you play Railway Cup?
Saw a clip of a tasty brawl today in the Nenagh v Toomevara North Tipp Hurling championship-players, fans, even kids involved. Couldn't believe it-a melee, in Tipperary, in the Republic, in hurling! Surely not?!?!! Cue 'It's all Tyrone's fault...'
Quote from: Whishtup on May 18, 2015, 10:44:45 PM
Saw a clip of a tasty brawl today in the Nenagh v Toomevara North Tipp Hurling championship-players, fans, even kids involved. Couldn't believe it-a melee, in Tipperary, in the Republic, in hurling! Surely not?!?!! Cue 'It's all Tyrone's fault...'
Yep, the legacy of the u21 final
Get the papers good and early in the morning guys, there should be some interesting comments in them!
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 18, 2015, 11:22:16 PM
Get the papers good and early in the morning guys, there should be some interesting comments in them!
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Quote from: Whishtup on May 18, 2015, 10:44:45 PM
Saw a clip of a tasty brawl today in the Nenagh v Toomevara North Tipp Hurling championship-players, fans, even kids involved. Couldn't believe it-a melee, in Tipperary, in the Republic, in hurling! Surely not?!?!! Cue 'It's all Tyrone's fault...'
Listen, you've enough enemies as it is, stop hassling the Tipp lads.
Yes sledging is unpleasant but who gives a f**k really!
"Oh Master he said he shagged my wife so I decked him."
It's not true so laugh it off and play on. Big deal!!
Sickening violence from Donegal at 40:15 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDKiNdgTNoU
Lads, perspective...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpFFmlAPCek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpFFmlAPCek)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wms4uWzB9T0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wms4uWzB9T0)
and...(short memories)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xeavnsUTLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xeavnsUTLE)
Sunday's game was childsplay compared to this tr**p-actin'...
Never saw Spillane's analysis of the '96 row before.
Classic stuff.
Jesus, could you imagine the national meltdown if it happened today.
Colm Coyle, the silent assassin, dropping lads in the background. ;D
Quote from: ONeill on May 18, 2015, 11:45:04 PM
Sickening violence from Donegal at 40:15 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDKiNdgTNoU
He was a tough lad, Martin Griffin! :)
Quote from: Orior on May 18, 2015, 10:21:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 17, 2015, 09:56:59 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 17, 2015, 09:48:43 PM
I'd forgotten how much I detested Tyrone until I saw Philip Jordan on the TV.
His newspaper articles are quite good but it's very hard to give him any credit as he will only ever be remembered for one incident.
Marsden was totally cleared. But Jordan never spoke to Diarmuid and never apologised. I guess that's the Tyrone way.
get your facts right! Marsden was NOT totally cleared. He got off on a technicality.
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Quote from: Orior on May 18, 2015, 10:21:44 PM
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Quote from: Orior on May 17, 2015, 09:48:43 PM
I'd forgotten how much I detested Tyrone until I saw Philip Jordan on the TV.
His newspaper articles are quite good but it's very hard to give him any credit as he will only ever be remembered for one incident.
Marsden was totally cleared. But Jordan never spoke to Diarmuid and never apologised. I guess that's the Tyrone way.
get your facts right! Marsden was NOT totally cleared. He got off on a technicality.
but has his reputation
Jesus Sean Cavanagh!!!! You lost why are you crying in the back pages again?
Are these lads 12 years old or something?
"Teacher teacher the Donegal lads called us bad names!!! :'( :'( :'("
Seems it's got worse than bad names, we've moved from comments about sisters and mothers to deceased relatives... lovely. Real tough lads
I am actually embarrassed by Sean. After the game Murphy was interviewed about what went on and dismissed it saying it was nothing. It is not the first time our captain has ran to the papers - Mickey Harte should put a ban on him talking. The reason why I am embarrassed as that on Sunday after Murphy took a freekick Cavanagh ran up to him and started clapping in his face which is why Murphy ran at him - double standards here Mr Cavanagh. Please say other Tyrone supports feel the same and make sure that people know this isn't the views of us.
I though Sunday's game was excellent, a real Championship match! It wasn't the lack-lustre low scoring match must people predicted.
It is a bit ironic that Cavanagh is highlighting this so soon after the U21 final, when Tipp we accused of being naive for being annoyed by the same sort of thing. However, I think if Sean genuinely feels it is gone beyond the pale, he is right to highlight it. If nobody takes it on, it will remain. If lads like him and Joe Brolly start highlighting it, it will become the new cause celebre and a knee jerk rule will be put in place. What could possibly go wrong?
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2015, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
Ye know fcuk all about football.
Maybe but Tyrone are only a reasonable outfit at present. You need another 5/6 players like Peter Harte realistically before you'll worry the top 3 in Croke Park. You're never going to win anything with Darren Mc Curry playing at midfield.
You just don't score enough and I didn't see any obvious plan how to go about it. Donegal had a plan to get shooters between the two banks of Tyrone defenders by getting runners from deep traversing across the pitch and hitting the space between the two banks at precisely the right time. As much as I despise Rory Gallagher , the guy can coach and he had his homework done.
That finish for the goal yesterday by Mc Curry was absolutely sublime - it's a terrible shame to see him wasted around the middle. You played to keep the score down and you lost. Fortune favours the brave most of the time.
As a Tyrone man I've got to admit that Indiana is right when it comes to our game plan - The only time we hit some long ball in was in the last 2-3 minutes when we were looking for a goal. Mickey will not play a target man so we keep running the ball into the masses of the Donegal defence. We've been doing this for 5 years and it still isn't working. The only change in tactic was to stick to murphy like a limpet. At least with the U-21s there was some variety to their play. We created some panic when the high ball went into the square. I can't figure out what's so wrong with doing that 10-15 times a game. It's ten times better that coughing up the ball 50 yards out. I'm loathe to say it but if the man won't change then it's time to change the man.
Hold on a minute, Sean Cavanagh has quite clearly said both teams were equally as bad on Sunday and has not made any excuses for Tyrone's defeat.
He is trying to make the point that some players will not deal with verbals as well as others and fears what the consequences might be in a worse case scenario. I think it is a valid point. Just because it happens to be Sean Cavanagh delivering the message doesn't mean it should be ignored as sour grapes.
But when Tommy Twomey mentioned it, it was?
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 10:05:24 AM
It is a bit ironic that Cavanagh is highlighting this so soon after the U21 final, when Tipp we accused of being naive for being annoyed by the same sort of thing. However, I think if Sean genuinely feels it is gone beyond the pale, he is right to highlight it. If nobody takes it on, it will remain. If lads like him and Joe Brolly start highlighting it, it will become the new cause celebre and a knee jerk rule will be put in place. What could possibly go wrong?
I think all it shows is how little perspective there is on this issue in Tyrone. Tyrone brought it to a new level and Donegal followed in their footsteps and this is the fruit of that tree.
And then you have people here thinking it's better to pretend nothing happened too, like there's some sort of omertà around dirty acts because they happen on a football field. The only way this can be fixed is by coming down progressively harder and harder on counties that are repeat offenders. Nothing else will make them clean up their acts.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 10:10:49 AM
But when Tommy Twomey mentioned it, it was?
I am not getting into a debate about the under 21 final again. I was simply trying to say that I think Sean Cavanagh has made a valid point about the mental wellbeing of some players. Look beyond any county rivalry or personal feelings about Cavanagh and see his comments for what they are.
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 10:01:48 AM
I am actually embarrassed by Sean. After the game Murphy was interviewed about what went on and dismissed it saying it was nothing. It is not the first time our captain has ran to the papers - Mickey Harte should put a ban on him talking. The reason why I am embarrassed as that on Sunday after Murphy took a freekick Cavanagh ran up to him and started clapping in his face which is why Murphy ran at him - double standards here Mr Cavanagh. Please say other Tyrone supports feel the same and make sure that people know this isn't the views of us.
I though Sunday's game was excellent, a real Championship match! It wasn't the lack-lustre low scoring match must people predicted.
I would have to agree...he maybe a class footballer and as a qualified accountant he's worked hard at the books, but the lad cannot talk articulately....would keep the camera away from him!
I already said I think he's right to highlight it. I just think it's ironic. When the Tipp lads gave out about it, they became 'whiners' and should cop the f**k on, this is what it takes, can't believe how naive they are etc.
2 weeks later a Tyrone man essentially makes the same point. I think he's right to highlight it. And in fairness to Sean he is saying both teams were at it. Now I don't think that makes it right, but it does mitigate the 'sour grapes' aspect.
Quote from: Whishtup on May 19, 2015, 12:00:28 AM
Lads, perspective...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpFFmlAPCek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpFFmlAPCek)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wms4uWzB9T0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wms4uWzB9T0)
and...(short memories)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xeavnsUTLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xeavnsUTLE)
Sunday's game was childsplay compared to this tr**p-actin'...
Im surprised that the Tyrone "Blue" alternative kit never took off
Aye but the tipp lads basically used it as a reason for losing an AI Final to the big bad men from Tyrone!
It's also interesting the number of posters that seem happy to admit that it's a problem across the board yet 2 weeks ago it seemed that Tyrone were the only team in the country who engaged in this behaviour.
I am completely against verbals and do not consider it 'part of the game' like some. Whispering in someone's ear is hard to police but when a player clearly tries to provoke another by roaring or clapping in their face the referee should take immediate action - it's not hard to see this going on.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 10:22:07 AM
I already said I think he's right to highlight it. I just think it's ironic. When the Tipp lads gave out about it, they became 'whiners' and should cop the f**k on, this is what it takes, can't believe how naive they are etc.
2 weeks later a Tyrone man essentially makes the same point. I think he's right to highlight it. And in fairness to Sean he is saying both teams were at it. Now I don't think that makes it right, but it does mitigate the 'sour grapes' aspect.
Your missing the point completely AZ, not sure whether on purpose or not, but Cavanagh is making the point that both teams where culpable on Sunday past whilst with the Tipp men it was a case of the big bad Tyronie's despite their corner back being at it all through the game.
I said Cavanagh highlighted that both were at it. It's right there in the sentence you mention.
As regards Tipp, I think they were making the exact same point, and I don't believe they were anything near as robust themselves. I can tell you, they were genuinely surprised at it. That's why they made some stupid comments afterwards. If this was something they did themselves, or were used to experiencing, they wouldn't even have passed any remarks.
Counties have certain players who'd mouth away on a pitch, but no county would be near the levels of Tyrone. Its widespread in the team, has been for years. Its not an anti-Tyrone media driven craze, its reality. Needs sorting
Quote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2015, 11:06:01 AM
Counties have certain players who'd mouth away on a pitch, but no county would be near the levels of Tyrone. Its widespread in the team, has been for years. Its not an anti-Tyrone media driven craze, its reality. Needs sorting
Fire me out a list of current Tyrone players who are guilty of this, saying as it's widespread you shouldn't have much bother hitting double figures?
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 19, 2015, 11:09:50 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2015, 11:06:01 AM
Counties have certain players who'd mouth away on a pitch, but no county would be near the levels of Tyrone. Its widespread in the team, has been for years. Its not an anti-Tyrone media driven craze, its reality. Needs sorting
Fire me out a list of current Tyrone players who are guilty of this, saying as it's widespread you shouldn't have much bother hitting double figures?
take last weeks teamsheet for starters. Deny all you want, but no-one, not near it sledge en masse like Tyrone do.
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 19, 2015, 10:09:44 AM
Hold on a minute, Sean Cavanagh has quite clearly said both teams were equally as bad on Sunday and has not made any excuses for Tyrone's defeat.
He is trying to make the point that some players will not deal with verbals as well as others and fears what the consequences might be in a worse case scenario. I think it is a valid point. Just because it happens to be Sean Cavanagh delivering the message doesn't mean it should be ignored as sour grapes.
He's at this craic for years.
Step 1: Make excuses
Step 2: Say, "Look, I'm not making excuses"
Sean would be safer taking a leaf out of Murphys book and saying nothing and moving on. The verbals dont annoy me that much, its the goading of an opponent when hes on the ground or just after you have scored that really gets me. Ive noticed it creeping into my own club recently and i really detest it. McMenamin and Gormley were reknowned for this and i wouldnt blame anyman for hitting them a box in the teeth for doing it. It really needs stamped out of the game. Dublin did it for years under Lyons and Pillar and were rightly hated for it, then Gilroy came in and stamped it out, all it takes is a strong manager to put a stop to it in each county.
Quote from: Up The Middle on May 19, 2015, 11:12:00 AM
Sean would be safer taking a leaf out of Murphys book and saying nothing and moving on. The verbals dont annoy me that much, its the goading of an opponent when hes on the ground or just after you have scored that really gets me. Ive noticed it creeping into my own club recently and i really detest it. McMenamin and Gormley were reknowned for this and i wouldnt blame anyman for hitting them a box in the teeth for doing it. It really needs stamped out of the game. Dublin did it for years under Lyons and Pillar and were rightly hated for it, then Gilroy came in and stamped it out, all it takes is a strong manager to put a stop to it in each county.
absolutely UTM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 10:22:07 AM
I already said I think he's right to highlight it. I just think it's ironic. When the Tipp lads gave out about it, they became 'whiners' and should cop the f**k on, this is what it takes, can't believe how naive they are etc.
2 weeks later a Tyrone man essentially makes the same point. I think he's right to highlight it. And in fairness to Sean he is saying both teams were at it. Now I don't think that makes it right, but it does mitigate the 'sour grapes' aspect.
That's what gets me. Everyone wants to give out about this "scourge" in the game, but God forbid one of the players opens their mouth about it! Devenney was told to shut up a decade ago when he complained about this type of stuff.
One of the GAA's greatest "strengths" - deflection.
Something occurs and all mannerism of defences come out - you did it first, everyone does it, what about 1964 and the carry on that day, you started it, you lost take your beating and it goes on and on and on and on.
Supporters are by far the worst for it.
Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing.
Quote from: J70 on May 19, 2015, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 10:22:07 AM
I already said I think he's right to highlight it. I just think it's ironic. When the Tipp lads gave out about it, they became 'whiners' and should cop the f**k on, this is what it takes, can't believe how naive they are etc.
2 weeks later a Tyrone man essentially makes the same point. I think he's right to highlight it. And in fairness to Sean he is saying both teams were at it. Now I don't think that makes it right, but it does mitigate the 'sour grapes' aspect.
That's what gets me. Everyone wants to give out about this "scourge" in the game, but God forbid one of the players opens their mouth about it! Devenney was told to shut up a decade ago when he complained about this type of stuff.
Devenney used to get tortured too. McNulty, Ryan McCloskey and Ricey were probably up there with as bad as it gets and he was marking them all in very close succession.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing
Kieran Donaghy is as bad as anyone for it. Roaring into a mans face after he scores. I agree that it seems to happen more often in Ulster (but that could be down to the fact that there is more made of it by certain pundits when it happens in Ulster), that is by no means condoning it, it really shouldnt happen anywhere.
Quote from: Bingo on May 19, 2015, 11:51:01 AM
One of the GAA's greatest "strengths" - deflection.
Something occurs and all mannerism of defences come out - you did it first, everyone does it, what about 1964 and the carry on that day, you started it, you lost take your beating and it goes on and on and on and on.
Supporters are by far the worst for it.
True any talk of sledging and abuse from us in the under 21 final was met widely with "what about o'briens stamp" and what happened afterwards with the dressing room.
To say that Tyrone or Ulster teams are the worst or the only team to sledge is simply bullshit.
Its something which can never be monitored especially by a bunch of keyboard warriors like us who only get to sit about 6 foot from the TV and watch a live broad cast or highlights - which means we are only as clued in as a cameraman at best or at worst Joe brolly...no referee has ever written about it or made wild comparisons and they are the ones with the most knowledge on the subject, given that they are close to the action and have experience of different teams...every county is as bad as each other...and for fans of a county claim that "their great bunch of lads' would never do such a thing is wide of the mark.
Ulster for too long as been an easy target because any commentator representing Ulster, excluding big Tohil, NEVER makes a stand and simply capitulates to the bias from Spillane AND from Brolly too
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Quote from: J70 on May 19, 2015, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 10:22:07 AM
I already said I think he's right to highlight it. I just think it's ironic. When the Tipp lads gave out about it, they became 'whiners' and should cop the f**k on, this is what it takes, can't believe how naive they are etc.
2 weeks later a Tyrone man essentially makes the same point. I think he's right to highlight it. And in fairness to Sean he is saying both teams were at it. Now I don't think that makes it right, but it does mitigate the 'sour grapes' aspect.
That's what gets me. Everyone wants to give out about this "scourge" in the game, but God forbid one of the players opens their mouth about it! Devenney was told to shut up a decade ago when he complained about this type of stuff.
Devenney used to get tortured too. McNulty, Ryan McCloskey and Ricey were probably up there with as bad as it gets and he was marking them all in very close succession.
It all came to a head for Devenney the day he pushed Joe McQuillan around when McQuillan gave him the line after Devenney had been getting the treatment all match.
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 19, 2015, 01:00:56 PM
To say that Tyrone or Ulster teams are the worst or the only team to sledge is simply bullshit.
Its something which can never be monitored especially by a bunch of keyboard warriors like us who only get to sit about 6 foot from the TV and watch a live broad cast or highlights - which means we are only as clued in as a cameraman at best or at worst Joe brolly...no referee has ever written about it or made wild comparisons and they are the ones with the most knowledge on the subject, given that they are close to the action and have experience of different teams...every county is as bad as each other...and for fans of a county claim that "their great bunch of lads' would never do such a thing is wide of the mark.
Ulster for too long as been an easy target because any commentator representing Ulster, excluding big Tohil, NEVER makes a stand and simply capitulates to the bias from Spillane AND from Brolly too
Totally agree Dermy. This "It's the Northern Teams" is getting a bit tired. I think people listen to these "analysts" and can't think for themselves. Go back to the 'puke' football quote which still is thrown about today.
In the U21 final I didn't see any antics and gave out about Tipp's response and to be honest I did see it as sour grapes on their behalf. I cannot be two-faced and now not say the same with what is being said by the captain. If things are that bad why not highlight it during the league or after the U21 victory..... if it is happening all the time and he's concerned!
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 19, 2015, 01:00:56 PM
To say that Tyrone or Ulster teams are the worst or the only team to sledge is simply bullshit.
Its something which can never be monitored especially by a bunch of keyboard warriors like us who only get to sit about 6 foot from the TV and watch a live broad cast or highlights - which means we are only as clued in as a cameraman at best or at worst Joe brolly...no referee has ever written about it or made wild comparisons and they are the ones with the most knowledge on the subject, given that they are close to the action and have experience of different teams...every county is as bad as each other...and for fans of a county claim that "their great bunch of lads' would never do such a thing is wide of the mark.
Ulster for too long as been an easy target because any commentator representing Ulster, excluding big Tohil, NEVER makes a stand and simply capitulates to the bias from Spillane AND from Brolly too
Totally agree Dermy. This "It's the Northern Teams" is getting a bit tired. I think people listen to these "analysts" and can't think for themselves. Go back to the 'puke' football quote which still is thrown about today.
In the U21 final I didn't see any antics and gave out about Tipp's response and to be honest I did see it as sour grapes on their behalf. I cannot be two-faced and now not say the same with what is being said by the captain. If things are that bad why not highlight it during the league or after the U21 victory..... if it is happening all the time and he's concerned!
Why is this the default response to this? I find it insulting.
On numerous occasions I have said it is NOT just Tyrone or Ulster teams doing it, or who have been doing it. In fact I highlighted a couple of instances with our own minors. It does seem to be more heightened up in the Ulster Championship, or among Ulster teams, but they didn't invent it, nor are they the only ones doing it. As for the puke football thing, I think I have defended that Tyrone team on numerous occasions. They were a fantastic team with fantastic players.
What does appear to be different is that only, by and large, its some Ulster lads on here that seem to be blasé about it, or think it's all part of the game. I think it's wrong, and I think it's unmanly, and I think it is very cynical because the aim is to have a lad retaliate and get sent off. I'm involved with teams, and while I am not currently involved with a senior intercounty team, I have been involved in underage and development county teams, and the county juniors, and I would not tolerate any of my players behaving like that. It might be effective, but that does not make it right. I had a row in a soccer game in America because one of my team mates was giving a black player racial abuse for precisely the same reasons. I've also said that I can't believe fellow Irishmen think it is acceptable to try and goad an opponent from the six counties with stuff about being British. It's all stupid, stupid stuff in my view, and if you do get the reaction you are looking for, I don't think any more of you.
I personally have defended Donegal players doing it on the basis that not doing it puts them at a competitive disadvantage in a setting where it is tacitly accepted and has been for years. Doesn't mean I don't think the GAA should not address it.
Jimmy McGuinness writing today and Rory Gallagher crying about the treatment of Michael Murphy yesterday is a wee bit cringeworthy. It was clear to see the Donegal players at it on Sunday as well. I'm sure Gallagher is deflecting the negative attention away from their own players and maybe sowing a seed in referees heads for the games ahead this summer.
The bottom line is that managers actually need to admit that their own players are guilty of it too and actually try and deal with their own offenders rather than lighting the sympathy fires. At least Sean Cavanagh came out and said that he as well as Michael Murphy were getting the treatment.
There's no place for sledging in our games but its hard to find a solution to it. Microphones at county level might work but not at club.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 01:36:52 PM
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 19, 2015, 01:00:56 PM
To say that Tyrone or Ulster teams are the worst or the only team to sledge is simply bullshit.
Its something which can never be monitored especially by a bunch of keyboard warriors like us who only get to sit about 6 foot from the TV and watch a live broad cast or highlights - which means we are only as clued in as a cameraman at best or at worst Joe brolly...no referee has ever written about it or made wild comparisons and they are the ones with the most knowledge on the subject, given that they are close to the action and have experience of different teams...every county is as bad as each other...and for fans of a county claim that "their great bunch of lads' would never do such a thing is wide of the mark.
Ulster for too long as been an easy target because any commentator representing Ulster, excluding big Tohil, NEVER makes a stand and simply capitulates to the bias from Spillane AND from Brolly too
Totally agree Dermy. This "It's the Northern Teams" is getting a bit tired. I think people listen to these "analysts" and can't think for themselves. Go back to the 'puke' football quote which still is thrown about today.
In the U21 final I didn't see any antics and gave out about Tipp's response and to be honest I did see it as sour grapes on their behalf. I cannot be two-faced and now not say the same with what is being said by the captain. If things are that bad why not highlight it during the league or after the U21 victory..... if it is happening all the time and he's concerned!
Why is this the default response to this? I find it insulting.
On numerous occasions I have said it is NOT just Tyrone or Ulster teams doing it, or who have been doing it. In fact I highlighted a couple of instances with our own minors. It does seem to be more heightened up in the Ulster Championship, or among Ulster teams, but they didn't invent it, nor are they the only ones doing it. As for the puke football thing, I think I have defended that Tyrone team on numerous occasions. They were a fantastic team with fantastic players.
What does appear to be different is that only, by and large, its some Ulster lads on here that seem to be blasé about it, or think it's all part of the game. I think it's wrong, and I think it's unmanly, and I think it is very cynical because the aim is to have a lad retaliate and get sent off. I'm involved with teams, and while I am not currently involved with a senior intercounty team, I have been involved in underage and development county teams, and I would not tolerate any of my players behaving like that. It might be effective, but that does not make it right.
Well said! I agree. I don't think it should be part of the game - I like the saying do your talking ON the field. I want to see a defender not get an advantage by mouthing at his marker. Instead get out in front for the ball, take your man on, catch a high ball and run out with it. That is the only talking you should do - show them skill, talent etc.
When I say some people listen to these analysts I mean people even with my own county who on a Monday morning repeat exactly what they hear on the Sunday Game etc. No one is without bias.
Quote from: A man from Down on May 19, 2015, 01:48:30 PM
Jimmy McGuinness writing today and Rory Gallagher crying about the treatment of Michael Murphy yesterday is a wee bit cringeworthy. It was clear to see the Donegal players at it on Sunday as well. I'm sure Gallagher is deflecting the negative attention away from their own players and maybe sowing a seed in referees heads for the games ahead this summer.
The bottom line is that managers actually need to admit that their own players are guilty of it too and actually try and deal with their own offenders rather than lighting the sympathy fires. At least Sean Cavanagh came out and said that he as well as Michael Murphy were getting the treatment.
There's no place for sledging in our games but its hard to find a solution to it. Microphones at county level might work but not at club.
Can you imagine if microphones were introduced.... think about it.... being tackled etc, where would the microphone be??? Time outs to try and refix them etc. Disaster.
This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. On all teams over the decades there have been dirty players and mouthpieces, when it was one or two on a team refs could deal with it, but now is has become a culture, it is undoubtedly being encouraged and coached by team management among the northern counties, that is plain to see from the actions on the field.
There were 4 other championship matches last weekend, has there been one issue from any of the other games, these were all matches with intense rivalry, Longford-Offaly is a long running saga but they showed respect for one another played football to the best of their ability and won or took their defeat in a manly manner, maybe the nordies could follow suit or are their games bigger and more important so thuggery etc is justified. Your actions on the field reflect your society, yes I said at the outset that every county has their hard men or mouthpieces but in most counties it is the exception rather than the rule, but when your county encourages thuggery and makes excuses after well.......
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 19, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. .
I agree, down with noedies
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 19, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. On all teams over the decades there have been dirty players and mouthpieces, when it was one or two on a team refs could deal with it, but now is has become a culture, it is undoubtedly being encouraged and coached by team management among the northern counties, that is plain to see from the actions on the field.
There were 4 other championship matches last weekend, has there been one issue from any of the other games, these were all matches with intense rivalry, Longford-Offaly is a long running saga but they showed respect for one another played football to the best of their ability and won or took their defeat in a manly manner, maybe the nordies could follow suit or are their games bigger and more important so thuggery etc is justified. Your actions on the field reflect your society, yes I said at the outset that every county has their hard men or mouthpieces but in most counties it is the exception rather than the rule, but when your county encourages thuggery and makes excuses after well.......
Please explain.... thuggery?? Where did you see thuggery on display on Sunday.
And here we go again all the Northern Teams! Is this true? Please name the teams you speak of.
Yep the noedies are a right shower. Is it the Noedies from Mullingar we are talking about here?
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on May 19, 2015, 01:48:30 PM
Jimmy McGuinness writing today and Rory Gallagher crying about the treatment of Michael Murphy yesterday is a wee bit cringeworthy. It was clear to see the Donegal players at it on Sunday as well. I'm sure Gallagher is deflecting the negative attention away from their own players and maybe sowing a seed in referees heads for the games ahead this summer.
The bottom line is that managers actually need to admit that their own players are guilty of it too and actually try and deal with their own offenders rather than lighting the sympathy fires. At least Sean Cavanagh came out and said that he as well as Michael Murphy were getting the treatment.
There's no place for sledging in our games but its hard to find a solution to it. Microphones at county level might work but not at club.
Can you imagine if microphones were introduced.... think about it.... being tackled etc, where would the microphone be??? Time outs to try and refix them etc. Disaster.
Microphones are so small now you could sew them into the collar or the likes.
Be easy enough you could get your girlfriend/wife to do it, I hear shes an auld.......
Quote from: A man from Down on May 19, 2015, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on May 19, 2015, 01:48:30 PM
Jimmy McGuinness writing today and Rory Gallagher crying about the treatment of Michael Murphy yesterday is a wee bit cringeworthy. It was clear to see the Donegal players at it on Sunday as well. I'm sure Gallagher is deflecting the negative attention away from their own players and maybe sowing a seed in referees heads for the games ahead this summer.
The bottom line is that managers actually need to admit that their own players are guilty of it too and actually try and deal with their own offenders rather than lighting the sympathy fires. At least Sean Cavanagh came out and said that he as well as Michael Murphy were getting the treatment.
There's no place for sledging in our games but its hard to find a solution to it. Microphones at county level might work but not at club.
Can you imagine if microphones were introduced.... think about it.... being tackled etc, where would the microphone be??? Time outs to try and refix them etc. Disaster.
Microphones are so small now you could sew them into the collar or the likes.
Be easy enough you could get your girlfriend/wife to do it, I hear shes an auld.......
Oh you Northerners are always at it!!!
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 19, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. On all teams over the decades there have been dirty players and mouthpieces, when it was one or two on a team refs could deal with it, but now is has become a culture, it is undoubtedly being encouraged and coached by team management among the northern counties, that is plain to see from the actions on the field.
There were 4 other championship matches last weekend, has there been one issue from any of the other games, these were all matches with intense rivalry, Longford-Offaly is a long running saga but they showed respect for one another played football to the best of their ability and won or took their defeat in a manly manner, maybe the nordies could follow suit or are their games bigger and more important so thuggery etc is justified. Your actions on the field reflect your society, yes I said at the outset that every county has their hard men or mouthpieces but in most counties it is the exception rather than the rule, but when your county encourages thuggery and makes excuses after well.......
explain what you mean by this please.?
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 19, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. On all teams over the decades there have been dirty players and mouthpieces, when it was one or two on a team refs could deal with it, but now is has become a culture, it is undoubtedly being encouraged and coached by team management among the northern counties, that is plain to see from the actions on the field.
There were 4 other championship matches last weekend, has there been one issue from any of the other games, these were all matches with intense rivalry, Longford-Offaly is a long running saga but they showed respect for one another played football to the best of their ability and won or took their defeat in a manly manner, maybe the nordies could follow suit or are their games bigger and more important so thuggery etc is justified. Your actions on the field reflect your society, yes I said at the outset that every county has their hard men or mouthpieces but in most counties it is the exception rather than the rule, but when your county encourages thuggery and makes excuses after well.......
Nordies ruined the game by having the cheek to win a few Sams.
The 26 ruined the country by not having the balls to fight for the 6 and leaving their brothers up in Nordie-land to a blood-thirsty loyalist mob.
Those Sams really have stuck in your craw, you can't have them back, no balls hiding in plain sight (in keyboard-warrior-land) is what you are.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 19, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. On all teams over the decades there have been dirty players and mouthpieces, when it was one or two on a team refs could deal with it, but now is has become a culture, it is undoubtedly being encouraged and coached by team management among the northern counties, that is plain to see from the actions on the field.
There were 4 other championship matches last weekend, has there been one issue from any of the other games, these were all matches with intense rivalry, Longford-Offaly is a long running saga but they showed respect for one another played football to the best of their ability and won or took their defeat in a manly manner, maybe the nordies could follow suit or are their games bigger and more important so thuggery etc is justified. Your actions on the field reflect your society, yes I said at the outset that every county has their hard men or mouthpieces but in most counties it is the exception rather than the rule, but when your county encourages thuggery and makes excuses after well.......
How do you coach this, and what age do you start at etc?
Is it something to consider when selecting a team? Do you start your best slabber and sledger in favour of the quieter guy who just hasn't grasped the concept as well and his sledging hasn't been up to scratch in training recently?
I mean when planning a session, how does one go about integrating drills and activities for the players based around this?
Id love to know.
Quote from: Up The Middle on May 19, 2015, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing
Kieran Donaghy is as bad as anyone for it. Roaring into a mans face after he scores. I agree that it seems to happen more often in Ulster (but that could be down to the fact that there is more made of it by certain pundits when it happens in Ulster), that is by no means condoning it, it really shouldnt happen anywhere.
He just goes around roaring, "Wat d'yoo tink a dat!" though.
Harmless.
is that Billy Sheehan boy still playing?.. total mouth..
Quote from: A man from Down on May 19, 2015, 02:03:12 PM
Yep the noedies are a right shower. Is it the Noedies from Mullingar we are talking about here?
I don't think so, they're grand. I think the Noedies from Tulsk started it.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing.
Well Meath were at it in the 90's, calling people orange bastids and the like, so there's one for you.
Colm Parkinson too.
for anybody on here telling us that sledging is a northern trait only then think again. i was happily called a black northern c..t during a match 20 years ago and once the said munster player was given a short brief history lesson not to mention a jab to the left eye he retracted all references to my colur religion and heritage. its a black card offence excuse the pun or maybe they should rename it an ulster offence. as regards ricey and gooch both of them should have been glad to have verbals regarding a girlfriends no.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 19, 2015, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing.
Well Meath were at it in the 90's, calling people orange bastids and the like, so there's one for you.
O'Gara from Dublin seems pretty bad too... Not sure on O'Carroll but wouldn't be surprised if he's at it to. The rest don't seem to engage.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2015, 12:39:21 AM
Never saw Spillane's analysis of the '96 row before.
Classic stuff.
Jesus, could you imagine the national meltdown if it happened today.
Colm Coyle, the silent assassin, dropping lads in the background. ;D
Gotta love Spillane's commentary-tinged with excitement and comedy.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 18, 2015, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on May 18, 2015, 10:44:45 PM
Saw a clip of a tasty brawl today in the Nenagh v Toomevara North Tipp Hurling championship-players, fans, even kids involved. Couldn't believe it-a melee, in Tipperary, in the Republic, in hurling! Surely not?!?!! Cue 'It's all Tyrone's fault...'
Yep, the legacy of the u21 final
Update: Woman injured as player fired helmet into crowd. Where would ye see it?
Not sure of the relevance. Because there was a row in a tipp hurling match that excuses the abuse that goes on in inter county football?
Ah, could be worse, Paul Donnelly could be running round throwing boots into the crowd!!
Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing.
You should read Paul Galvins book so.....even Limerick were at it
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 19, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. On all teams over the decades there have been dirty players and mouthpieces, when it was one or two on a team refs could deal with it, but now is has become a culture, it is undoubtedly being encouraged and coached by team management among the northern counties, that is plain to see from the actions on the field.
There were 4 other championship matches last weekend, has there been one issue from any of the other games, these were all matches with intense rivalry, Longford-Offaly is a long running saga but they showed respect for one another played football to the best of their ability and won or took their defeat in a manly manner, maybe the nordies could follow suit or are their games bigger and more important so thuggery etc is justified. Your actions on the field reflect your society, yes I said at the outset that every county has their hard men or mouthpieces but in most counties it is the exception rather than the rule, but when your county encourages thuggery and makes excuses after well.......
You're some craic. Giving out about Tyrone players being mouthpieces and yet nearly every one of your posts are full of vitriolic bile. I wonder do your posts reflect your society and upbringing.
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 10:01:48 AM
I am actually embarrassed by Sean. After the game Murphy was interviewed about what went on and dismissed it saying it was nothing. It is not the first time our captain has ran to the papers - Mickey Harte should put a ban on him talking. The reason why I am embarrassed as that on Sunday after Murphy took a freekick Cavanagh ran up to him and started clapping in his face which is why Murphy ran at him - double standards here Mr Cavanagh. Please say other Tyrone supports feel the same and make sure that people know this isn't the views of us.
I though Sunday's game was excellent, a real Championship match! It wasn't the lack-lustre low scoring match must people predicted.
To be fair, Sean didn't go running to the papers about this. He was attending a press event launch of the SuperValu Kits for Kids and naturally was asked about the game and he gave a fairly reasonable answer and was in no way pointing fingers or whinging. His interview on Newstalk was in a similar vein.
Quote from: longballin on May 19, 2015, 02:52:04 PM
is that Billy Sheehan boy still playing?.. total mouth..
That's true in fairness.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 19, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. On all teams over the decades there have been dirty players and mouthpieces, when it was one or two on a team refs could deal with it, but now is has become a culture, it is undoubtedly being encouraged and coached by team management among the northern counties, that is plain to see from the actions on the field.
There were 4 other championship matches last weekend, has there been one issue from any of the other games, these were all matches with intense rivalry, Longford-Offaly is a long running saga but they showed respect for one another played football to the best of their ability and won or took their defeat in a manly manner, maybe the nordies could follow suit or are their games bigger and more important so thuggery etc is justified. Your actions on the field reflect your society, yes I said at the outset that every county has their hard men or mouthpieces but in most counties it is the exception rather than the rule, but when your county encourages thuggery and makes excuses after well.......
You really do talk nonsense. So Mickey Hartes training sessions consist of him teaching how to sledge people?. Catch yourself on. Every team at every level in every county gets involved in verbals now and again. All teams have their mouth pieces. Maybe Northern teams do it more, maybe not, who knows for sure. What we do know for sure is that you haven't a clue and obviously haven't played the game much.
http://www.detelefoongids.nl/noedies-dog-wellness/20262043/5-1/
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 19, 2015, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing.
Well Meath were at it in the 90's, calling people orange bastids and the like, so there's one for you.
Calling who orange bastards?
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 19, 2015, 09:58:58 PM
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 10:01:48 AM
I am actually embarrassed by Sean. After the game Murphy was interviewed about what went on and dismissed it saying it was nothing. It is not the first time our captain has ran to the papers - Mickey Harte should put a ban on him talking. The reason why I am embarrassed as that on Sunday after Murphy took a freekick Cavanagh ran up to him and started clapping in his face which is why Murphy ran at him - double standards here Mr Cavanagh. Please say other Tyrone supports feel the same and make sure that people know this isn't the views of us.
I though Sunday's game was excellent, a real Championship match! It wasn't the lack-lustre low scoring match must people predicted.
To be fair, Sean didn't go running to the papers about this. He was attending a press event launch of the SuperValu Kits for Kids and naturally was asked about the game and he gave a fairly reasonable answer and was in no way pointing fingers or whinging. His interview on Newstalk was in a similar vein.
Ach come off it. It probably was supposed to be even-handed but he was going out of his way to make sure that, through repeated allusions to McCarron, he was primarily laying the bulk of the blame at the door of Donegal. He could try leading by example for starters.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 19, 2015, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 19, 2015, 09:58:58 PM
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 10:01:48 AM
I am actually embarrassed by Sean. After the game Murphy was interviewed about what went on and dismissed it saying it was nothing. It is not the first time our captain has ran to the papers - Mickey Harte should put a ban on him talking. The reason why I am embarrassed as that on Sunday after Murphy took a freekick Cavanagh ran up to him and started clapping in his face which is why Murphy ran at him - double standards here Mr Cavanagh. Please say other Tyrone supports feel the same and make sure that people know this isn't the views of us.
I though Sunday's game was excellent, a real Championship match! It wasn't the lack-lustre low scoring match must people predicted.
To be fair, Sean didn't go running to the papers about this. He was attending a press event launch of the SuperValu Kits for Kids and naturally was asked about the game and he gave a fairly reasonable answer and was in no way pointing fingers or whinging. His interview on Newstalk was in a similar vein.
Ach come off it. It probably was supposed to be even-handed but he was going out of his way to make sure that, through repeated allusions to McCarron, he was primarily laying the bulk of the blame at the door of Donegal. He could try leading by example for starters.
Let's be honest, there's nothing Cavanagh could have said that you wouldn't have come on to whinge about Tony.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 19, 2015, 11:44:48 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 19, 2015, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 19, 2015, 09:58:58 PM
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 10:01:48 AM
I am actually embarrassed by Sean. After the game Murphy was interviewed about what went on and dismissed it saying it was nothing. It is not the first time our captain has ran to the papers - Mickey Harte should put a ban on him talking. The reason why I am embarrassed as that on Sunday after Murphy took a freekick Cavanagh ran up to him and started clapping in his face which is why Murphy ran at him - double standards here Mr Cavanagh. Please say other Tyrone supports feel the same and make sure that people know this isn't the views of us.
I though Sunday's game was excellent, a real Championship match! It wasn't the lack-lustre low scoring match must people predicted.
To be fair, Sean didn't go running to the papers about this. He was attending a press event launch of the SuperValu Kits for Kids and naturally was asked about the game and he gave a fairly reasonable answer and was in no way pointing fingers or whinging. His interview on Newstalk was in a similar vein.
Ach come off it. It probably was supposed to be even-handed but he was going out of his way to make sure that, through repeated allusions to McCarron, he was primarily laying the bulk of the blame at the door of Donegal. He could try leading by example for starters.
Let's be honest, there's nothing Cavanagh could have said that you wouldn't have come on to whinge about Tony.
I would of course give him due credit if he didn't prevaricate. ;)
Good job this one wasn't live on the box... then again it wasn't an Ulster fixture, so the usual observations wouldn't apply, no doubt.
Glancy slams Galway cynicism (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=237609)
Kevin Walsh's charges committed 42 fouls during the course of the game - more than Tyrone and Donegal combined! - and former Leitrim attacker Glancy was not impressed by their cynicism...
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 08:34:05 PM
Not sure of the relevance. Because there was a row in a tipp hurling match that excuses the abuse that goes on in inter county football?
Is that not part of the problem that we accept all manner of blackguarding at local level and then expect them to behave on the big stage? Does it matter if it's hurling or football? Does it matter what county it takes place in?
Your response displays the great conflict in reportage. A pretty nasty field fight involving players and fans where a fan was hit on the head by a flying helmet thrown into the crowd can be called a 'row' and forgot about for evermore. You could guarantee if that happened in Tyrone, there would be video footage, a 100+ page thread, Joe Duffy called and novenas said around the country.
It's all about perception and I think it was pitiful to see Ciaran Whelan target Justin McMahon for staying close to his man on Sunday when there was some great tough defending all over the field by both teams. The Sunday Game were trying their best to throw a negative slant on what was an exciting, full-blooded contest. You sit down to watch some sport and get bombarded by moany, whingy conversations about what's right and wrong-God we need a new Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh fast!
The result of this lazy, trashy reporting style is that you have poor unfortunate sods like 'Give Ballagh Back' who take it to heart and get lost in some kind of anti-Tyrone fantasy.
Fighting, sledging, cynicism happen all over the country in GAA, Rugby (even international) and soccer, always has done and anybody who disagrees is a fool.
The way Rte portray and judge our games is a disgrace. They are the problem.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 19, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
Good job this one wasn't live on the box... then again it wasn't an Ulster fixture, so the usual observations wouldn't apply, no doubt.
Glancy slams Galway cynicism (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=237609)
Kevin Walsh's charges committed 42 fouls during the course of the game - more than Tyrone and Donegal combined! - and former Leitrim attacker Glancy was not impressed by their cynicism...
I really don't know what I can say if you think fouling high up the field and the sledging and constant pulling and dragging in the Tyrone-Donegal are the same thing or even comparable.
Quote from: rrhf on May 20, 2015, 06:31:39 AM
The way Rte portray and judge our games is a disgrace. They are the problem.
It's more a reflection on society and the need / desire to be outraged. People need something to be outraged about.
Des Cahill doesn't help at times mind you.
Quote from: Footie_mad on May 19, 2015, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on May 19, 2015, 01:48:30 PM
Jimmy McGuinness writing today and Rory Gallagher crying about the treatment of Michael Murphy yesterday is a wee bit cringeworthy. It was clear to see the Donegal players at it on Sunday as well. I'm sure Gallagher is deflecting the negative attention away from their own players and maybe sowing a seed in referees heads for the games ahead this summer.
The bottom line is that managers actually need to admit that their own players are guilty of it too and actually try and deal with their own offenders rather than lighting the sympathy fires. At least Sean Cavanagh came out and said that he as well as Michael Murphy were getting the treatment.
There's no place for sledging in our games but its hard to find a solution to it. Microphones at county level might work but not at club.
Can you imagine if microphones were introduced.... think about it.... being tackled etc, where would the microphone be??? Time outs to try and refix them etc. Disaster.
They've started it in rugby league and it worked alright
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2015, 08:09:09 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 19, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
Good job this one wasn't live on the box... then again it wasn't an Ulster fixture, so the usual observations wouldn't apply, no doubt.
Glancy slams Galway cynicism (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=237609)
Kevin Walsh's charges committed 42 fouls during the course of the game - more than Tyrone and Donegal combined! - and former Leitrim attacker Glancy was not impressed by their cynicism...
I really don't know what I can say if you think fouling high up the field and the sledging and constant pulling and dragging in the Tyrone-Donegal are the same thing or even comparable.
And what sort of fouling was occurring in the Galway game then? Was it the good wholesome fouling that we used to see in the good old days?
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 20, 2015, 08:39:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2015, 08:09:09 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 19, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
Good job this one wasn't live on the box... then again it wasn't an Ulster fixture, so the usual observations wouldn't apply, no doubt.
Glancy slams Galway cynicism (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=237609)
Kevin Walsh's charges committed 42 fouls during the course of the game - more than Tyrone and Donegal combined! - and former Leitrim attacker Glancy was not impressed by their cynicism...
I really don't know what I can say if you think fouling high up the field and the sledging and constant pulling and dragging in the Tyrone-Donegal are the same thing or even comparable.
And what sort of fouling was occurring in the Galway game? Was it the good wholesome fouling that we used to see in the good old days?
Aren't you the fella who tried to gloss over Tyrone players reciting opponents' girlfriends numbers? Sorry lad, some of the stuff ye do simply is beyond the pale for the rest of us.
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2015, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 20, 2015, 08:39:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2015, 08:09:09 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 19, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
Good job this one wasn't live on the box... then again it wasn't an Ulster fixture, so the usual observations wouldn't apply, no doubt.
Glancy slams Galway cynicism (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=237609)
Kevin Walsh's charges committed 42 fouls during the course of the game - more than Tyrone and Donegal combined! - and former Leitrim attacker Glancy was not impressed by their cynicism...
I really don't know what I can say if you think fouling high up the field and the sledging and constant pulling and dragging in the Tyrone-Donegal are the same thing or even comparable.
And what sort of fouling was occurring in the Galway game? Was it the good wholesome fouling that we used to see in the good old days?
Aren't you the fella who tried to gloss over Tyrone players reciting opponents' girlfriends numbers? Sorry lad, some of the stuff ye do simply is beyond the pale for the rest of us.
So what sort of fouling happened in the Galway game that you find acceptable?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 19, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
Good job this one wasn't live on the box... then again it wasn't an Ulster fixture, so the usual observations wouldn't apply, no doubt.
Glancy slams Galway cynicism (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=237609)
Kevin Walsh's charges committed 42 fouls during the course of the game - more than Tyrone and Donegal combined! - and former Leitrim attacker Glancy was not impressed by their cynicism...
Exactly the same number as Tyrone committed against Kerry in 2003.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 20, 2015, 09:05:27 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 19, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
Good job this one wasn't live on the box... then again it wasn't an Ulster fixture, so the usual observations wouldn't apply, no doubt.
Glancy slams Galway cynicism (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=237609)
Kevin Walsh's charges committed 42 fouls during the course of the game - more than Tyrone and Donegal combined! - and former Leitrim attacker Glancy was not impressed by their cynicism...
Exactly the same number as Tyrone committed against Kerry in 2003.
FFS!... Well if it isn't Champion the Whataboutery Champion, horse! :P
Indeed, why restrict it to recent events, let's go back to a few more decades, eh? Perspective a hopeless casualty with some of the more purblind on this particular thread it seems -- James Glancy had the beef here, but sure shoot the messenger why don't you!
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 20, 2015, 09:05:27 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 19, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
Good job this one wasn't live on the box... then again it wasn't an Ulster fixture, so the usual observations wouldn't apply, no doubt.
Glancy slams Galway cynicism (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=237609)
Kevin Walsh's charges committed 42 fouls during the course of the game - more than Tyrone and Donegal combined! - and former Leitrim attacker Glancy was not impressed by their cynicism...
Exactly the same number as Tyrone committed against Kerry in 2003.
What are you on about? I saw adverts on TV all week with Mickey Harte saying that in 2003 it was Tyrone who were doing all the attacking. . . . strange!!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 20, 2015, 09:49:21 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 20, 2015, 09:05:27 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 19, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
Good job this one wasn't live on the box... then again it wasn't an Ulster fixture, so the usual observations wouldn't apply, no doubt.
Glancy slams Galway cynicism (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=237609)
Kevin Walsh's charges committed 42 fouls during the course of the game - more than Tyrone and Donegal combined! - and former Leitrim attacker Glancy was not impressed by their cynicism...
More like shoot the sub-text of the post in fairness.
Exactly the same number as Tyrone committed against Kerry in 2003.
FFS!... Well if it isn't Champion the Whataboutery Champion, horse! :P
Indeed, why restrict it to recent events, let's go back to a few more decades, eh? Perspective a hopeless casualty with some of the more purblind on this particular thread it seems -- James Glancy had the beef here, but sure shoot the messenger why don't you!
That's right sweet suffering, a 'subtext'... for something you didn't see, but sure poor oul Connacht could never be accused of anything untoward on the field, at least not with a smidgeon of justification!
Jaysus, there's so many parallel conversations here it's hard to keep up at times, especially if you go and do a bit of work or something :) I thought we were talking about the verbal abuse and annoying intimidation tactics which is in the game today, and how do you deal with it. This sideways turn into the number of fouls committed in Connacht or a big row in the North Tipp hurling championship would seem to have very little to do with that. Unless the row was caused by a lad reacting to abuse, which I would completely understand!
But the obfuscation and misdirection from the original theme of the discussion is a classic tactic. Some lads are very adept at it when they don't like what's being said. There's even a word I heard on this board to describe it, which I had never heard before and I think that in itself is telling :) It is brilliant 'whataboutery'.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 20, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
Jaysus, there's so many parallel conversations here it's hard to keep up at times, especially if you go and do a bit of work or something :) I thought we were talking about the verbal abuse and annoying intimidation tactics which is in the game today, and how do you deal with it. This sideways turn into the number of fouls committed in Connacht or a big row in the North Tipp hurling championship would seem to have very little to do with that. Unless the row was caused by a lad reacting to abuse, which I would completely understand!
But the obfuscation and misdirection from the original theme of the discussion is a classic tactic. Some lads are very adept at it when they don't like what's being said. There's even a word I heard on this board to describe it, which I had never heard before and I think that in itself is telling :) It is brilliant 'whataboutery'.
I enjoy a bit of auld whataboutery with the Tyronies. . . basically anything Tyrone do can be traced back to puke football, any scummy act committed by McMenamin, Sean's diving/crying, football not being invented in 2003, the time we spanked them as All Ireland Champions in 2006 at their own game!!!
It's what the GAA is all about really ;D ;D
That's right AZ, sure there are your decent and wholesome unsavoury incidents, and your indecent and unwholesome unsavoury incidents, the latter of which apply only to Ulster apparently, where the former aren't even worth the mention, even though they might have occurred during the very same week! :P ;)
It's all about context, and being whiter than white, etc., what with all these glass houses lying in smithereens all over bleedin' gaff! :)
No, it's not about any of that at all. More classic sleight of (verbal) hand. The topic we *were* discussing was what appears to be a more aggressive and commonplace practice of off the ball intimidation, verbal and physical, and what should or could be done about it. Tyrone's captain was at the receiving end of some of it, and his newstalk interview was interesting in that he specifically mentions lads trying to 'damage a digit' and that it isn't the first time.
I think that's out of order.
No matter where it happens, or who does it, I think it is wrong, and it says a lot about the person doing it.
Now, if we want to have a different discussion about cynical fouling, or unmerciful rows, then by all means have it, but don't do it as a way of trying to distract from the original discussion.
I agree that such behaviour is totally unacceptable (and in attempting to injure an opposition player like that is bordering on the criminal), and in fairness to yourself, you don't jump on any crusading bandwagons.
There are, however, certain here who have long since ceased to restrict themselves to commenting on this game alone, in order to have a dig specifically in relation to recent reversals, and in such circumstances defence will be forthcoming.
decent summary from daragh o'se
QuoteI enjoyed the Donegal-Tyrone game on Sunday. The pace of it was savage at times and the ability of these players to take hits and bounce up was totally admirable. Fellas were throwing themselves on the line for the cause, which is what you want to see in championship football. And the quality was high enough that there was no margin for error – those Tyrone wides in the first half cost them dearly in the end.
The difference between what was going on in Ballybofey and in the other games was massive. If you took a player out of one of the Leinster games at half-time and dropped him into the second half of Donegal-Tyrone, he'd have had a heart attack. Ballybofey was pure championship, the rest of it was Mickey Mouse stuff.
People can give out about the Ulster Championship all they like. But let's be honest here – it's the only thing worth watching this side of July. Intense, dogged, cynical, physical, no margin for error and always, always competitive. A bit of sledging won't stop people tuning in for that.
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Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing.
Well Meath were at it in the 90's, calling people orange bastids and the like, so there's one for you.
Calling who orange b**tards?
Me.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on May 20, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
Jaysus, there's so many parallel conversations here it's hard to keep up at times, especially if you go and do a bit of work or something :) I thought we were talking about the verbal abuse and annoying intimidation tactics which is in the game today, and how do you deal with it. This sideways turn into the number of fouls committed in Connacht or a big row in the North Tipp hurling championship would seem to have very little to do with that. Unless the row was caused by a lad reacting to abuse, which I would completely understand!
But the obfuscation and misdirection from the original theme of the discussion is a classic tactic. Some lads are very adept at it when they don't like what's being said. There's even a word I heard on this board to describe it, which I had never heard before and I think that in itself is telling :) It is brilliant 'whataboutery'.
I enjoy a bit of auld whataboutery with the Tyronies. . . basically anything Tyrone do can be traced back to puke football, any scummy act committed by McMenamin, Sean's diving/crying, football not being invented in 2003, the time we spanked them as All Ireland Champions in 2006 at their own game!!!
It's what the GAA is all about really ;D ;D
You were right on most things there but in 2006 you didn't spank Tyrone at their own game. You beat a heavily depleted Tyrone team that year.
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2015, 10:57:08 AM
I enjoy a bit of auld whataboutery with the Tyronies. . . basically anything Tyrone do can be traced back to puke football, any scummy act committed by McMenamin, Sean's diving/crying, football not being invented in 2003, the time we spanked them as All Ireland Champions in 2006 at their own game!!!
It's what the GAA is all about really ;D ;D
Canada were playing in the 2006 Ulster Championship ? ? ? ;)
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Quote from: AZOffaly on May 20, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
Jaysus, there's so many parallel conversations here it's hard to keep up at times, especially if you go and do a bit of work or something :) I thought we were talking about the verbal abuse and annoying intimidation tactics which is in the game today, and how do you deal with it. This sideways turn into the number of fouls committed in Connacht or a big row in the North Tipp hurling championship would seem to have very little to do with that. Unless the row was caused by a lad reacting to abuse, which I would completely understand!
But the obfuscation and misdirection from the original theme of the discussion is a classic tactic. Some lads are very adept at it when they don't like what's being said. There's even a word I heard on this board to describe it, which I had never heard before and I think that in itself is telling :) It is brilliant 'whataboutery'.
I enjoy a bit of auld whataboutery with the Tyronies. . . basically anything Tyrone do can be traced back to puke football, any scummy act committed by McMenamin, Sean's diving/crying, football not being invented in 2003, the time we spanked them as All Ireland Champions in 2006 at their own game!!!
It's what the GAA is all about really ;D ;D
You were right on most things there but in 2006 you didn't spank Tyrone at their own game. You beat a heavily depleted Tyrone team that year.
What exactly do you mean by heavily depleted??
By my count you were missing 3 that day (Canavan had retired) from the All Ireland team... hardly a 'heavy' loss even if you include McGuigan and O'Neill.
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Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2015, 10:57:08 AM
I enjoy a bit of auld whataboutery with the Tyronies. . . basically anything Tyrone do can be traced back to puke football, any scummy act committed by McMenamin, Sean's diving/crying, football not being invented in 2003, the time we spanked them as All Ireland Champions in 2006 at their own game!!!
It's what the GAA is all about really ;D ;D
Canada were playing in the 2006 Ulster Championship ? ? ? ;)
Twas Mike's actually... we went on to Healy Park after we walloped the Vincent's at Centennial!!! :P
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 20, 2015, 11:16:44 AM
No, it's not about any of that at all. More classic sleight of (verbal) hand. The topic we *were* discussing was what appears to be a more aggressive and commonplace practice of off the ball intimidation, verbal and physical, and what should or could be done about it. Tyrone's captain was at the receiving end of some of it, and his newstalk interview was interesting in that he specifically mentions lads trying to 'damage a digit' and that it isn't the first time.
I think that's out of order.
No matter where it happens, or who does it, I think it is wrong, and it says a lot about the person doing it.
Now, if we want to have a different discussion about cynical fouling, or unmerciful rows, then by all means have it, but don't do it as a way of trying to distract from the original discussion.
Must give that interview a listen. That incident is one of the sneakest, cowardly acts I've seen on a football pitch.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on May 20, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
Jaysus, there's so many parallel conversations here it's hard to keep up at times, especially if you go and do a bit of work or something :) I thought we were talking about the verbal abuse and annoying intimidation tactics which is in the game today, and how do you deal with it. This sideways turn into the number of fouls committed in Connacht or a big row in the North Tipp hurling championship would seem to have very little to do with that. Unless the row was caused by a lad reacting to abuse, which I would completely understand!
But the obfuscation and misdirection from the original theme of the discussion is a classic tactic. Some lads are very adept at it when they don't like what's being said. There's even a word I heard on this board to describe it, which I had never heard before and I think that in itself is telling :) It is brilliant 'whataboutery'.
I enjoy a bit of auld whataboutery with the Tyronies. . . basically anything Tyrone do can be traced back to puke football, any scummy act committed by McMenamin, Sean's diving/crying, football not being invented in 2003, the time we spanked them as All Ireland Champions in 2006 at their own game!!!
It's what the GAA is all about really ;D ;D
You were right on most things there but in 2006 you didn't spank Tyrone at their own game. You beat a heavily depleted Tyrone team that year.
What exactly do you mean by heavily depleted??
By my count you were missing 3 that day (Canavan had retired) from the All Ireland team... hardly a 'heavy' loss even if you include McGuigan and O'Neill.
I love the pointless discussion with the Derry ones too! :D But saying that you bought it up, Tyrone where in actual fact missing six players from the team that won the All Ireland the previous year.
Tyrone team v Kerry 2005 All Ireland Final: P McConnell; R McMenamin,
J McMahon,
M McGee; D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan;
E McGinley, S Cavanagh; B Dooher (0-2),
B McGuigan (0-3), R Mellon (0-2);
P Canavan (1-1),
S O'Neill (0-4), O Mulligan (0-4)
Tyrone Team v Derry 2006 Ulster Championship: P McConnell; R McMenamin, C McGinley, C Gourley; D Harte , C Gormley, P Jordan; C Holmes; P Donnelly; B Dooher (capt), S Cavanagh, R Mulgrew; R Mellon, K Hughes, O Mulligan
The three "hardly heavy" losses that you refer to happened to be probably 3 of the top forwards of that era and between them contributed 1-8 against Kerry in the previous years All Ireland final. Its a not an exaggeration to say that we probably wouldn't have beaten Kerry without them. Its not an exaggeration to say that we would definitely have beaten Derry with them. I miss Derry being relevant! :D
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Quote from: AZOffaly on May 20, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
Jaysus, there's so many parallel conversations here it's hard to keep up at times, especially if you go and do a bit of work or something :) I thought we were talking about the verbal abuse and annoying intimidation tactics which is in the game today, and how do you deal with it. This sideways turn into the number of fouls committed in Connacht or a big row in the North Tipp hurling championship would seem to have very little to do with that. Unless the row was caused by a lad reacting to abuse, which I would completely understand!
But the obfuscation and misdirection from the original theme of the discussion is a classic tactic. Some lads are very adept at it when they don't like what's being said. There's even a word I heard on this board to describe it, which I had never heard before and I think that in itself is telling :) It is brilliant 'whataboutery'.
I enjoy a bit of auld whataboutery with the Tyronies. . . basically anything Tyrone do can be traced back to puke football, any scummy act committed by McMenamin, Sean's diving/crying, football not being invented in 2003, the time we spanked them as All Ireland Champions in 2006 at their own game!!!
It's what the GAA is all about really ;D ;D
You were right on most things there but in 2006 you didn't spank Tyrone at their own game. You beat a heavily depleted Tyrone team that year.
What exactly do you mean by heavily depleted??
By my count you were missing 3 that day (Canavan had retired) from the All Ireland team... hardly a 'heavy' loss even if you include McGuigan and O'Neill.
McGuigan and O'Neill were our two main men in 2005, so they were a big loss.
Gerard Cavlan, Mickey McGee, Joe McMahon, Enda McGinley and Martin Penrose didn't start that day either because of injury.
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Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing.
Well Meath were at it in the 90's, calling people orange bastids and the like, so there's one for you.
Calling who orange b**tards?
Me.
Which player said it to you?
Id say the biggest influence on the result that day was Hubs early sending off on top of the men already missing.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 20, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2015, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 19, 2015, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 19, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing.
Well Meath were at it in the 90's, calling people orange bastids and the like, so there's one for you.
Calling who orange b**tards?
Me.
Which player said it to you?
Well Im certainly not gonna name him on here.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 20, 2015, 02:48:09 PM
Id say the biggest influence on the result that day was Hubs early sending off on top of the men already missing.
Aye, but surely youse could have registered at least 1 point during the first half even with those boys missing?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41698000/jpg/_41698554_3derry.jpg)
That defeat in 2006 was hard to swallow, watching Derry going on to win Ulster and SAM was very difficult. Oh wait.....
Couldn't be arsed reading through all this tripe but it looks like the usual Tyrone haters are out in force.
I am sure it has been mentioned already but I cannot believe Donegal are whinging about sledging they were doin most it FFS and I absolutely CANNOT believe that Jim McGuinness has the cheek to open his mouth. If you are looking for an inter county setup were there is concrete evidence of instructions from management to engage in sledging you only have to read Kevin Cassidy's book.
I heard (2nd hand of course) some of the things that were said to P. Harte in Clones in 2011 and it was really quite unbelievable. If it was said to me he would have got floored and I probably would have paid him a visit afterwards as well as outting what was said after the game. It says alot of the character of Peter Harte to keep quiet about it.
The neck on McGuninness is extraordinary and Ciarian Whelean also should check his facts before opening us mouth.
Darragh doesn't seem to bothered, maybe others shouldn't be either! Sensible column as usual!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-ó-sé-sledging-isn-t-great-but-i-wouldn-t-be-getting-too-annoyed-1.2218553
In Ventry last weekend, they had a big crowd down to unveil a statue of P Ó Sé himself. A rake of his old teammates were there, plenty of locals, plenty of rogues. There was a monsignor and two priests down to bless it. That'll tell you how holy Páidí was – they needed three clergymen to balance the scales for the blessing.
It was one of those occasions where even though you thought you knew every story about the man already, there was still one or two more that sounded new to you. We heard one about a change of county secretaries in the 1970s – Andy Molyneaux had been the man for a long-time but Tony O'Keeffe was coming in to replace him. Páidí saw what you might call a political vacuum and decided to see if he could take advantage of it.
He had already sent his expenses in to be settled by the previous secretary but just in case, he said he'd send them to O'Keeffe as well. No harm in finding out did these fellas have their ducks in a row at all. As it turned out, they did. O'Keeffe told him where to go with his second claim. "Oh, no problem at all boy," says Páidí, half making out that the confusion was on the county board end of things. He didn't get paid twice but you couldn't hate him for trying.
Tyrone's Seán Cavanagh tackles Donegal's Odhrán MacNiallais during the Ulster SFC clash at Ballybofey. Photo: Lorcan Doherty/Presseye/InphoSeán Cavanagh concerned sledging could prove a threat to players' mental health
Owen Mulligan with his long-time manager and mentor, Tyrone boss Mickey Harte. Photo: Donall Farmer/Inpho Tyrone talisman left to wonder how quickly the glory days all slipped away
O'Neill says GAA must protect players from verbal abuse
Wexford's Lee Chin: has gone on the record about the difficulties he has encountered with racism. GAA's unequivocal response must stamp out racial abuse on the pitch
Impossible to prevent sledging, says Coulter
All the talk about sledging from the weekend reminded me of a challenge match from Páidí's time as Kerry manager. We were playing Armagh in Askeaton and for whatever reason, they landed down without a full team. Or maybe they only barely had a team. Whatever it was, my abiding memory is that Kieran McGeeney went into the game cranky. And he was giving Maurice Fitzgerald plenty of it.
Back of the head
Now, the thing people might not appreciate about Maurice is he was one of the most physical players in the country when he wanted to be. He had these big long heavy hands and he'd no problem using them. You'd be playing a county championship game and jumping for a ball when all of a sudden you'd feel a shot down the back of the head. You wouldn't know where it was after coming from because when you'd look around, Maurice would be sloping away in the languid way he moved and you'd be going, "Well, whoever it was, it couldn't have been him." You'd be looking around for some kind of hobo but it would be Fitzy all along.
Anyway against Armagh this time, him and McGeeney were hopping off each other from early on. Maurice hit him a puck at one stage and McGeeney being McGeeney wasn't going to back down. He was full of chat for him. "Come on," he says. "Come on, I can take it, I can take it."
I only know this now because McGeeney said it to me later on. He'd have had plenty of running battles with fellas down the years but Maurice's reply was unique. "I know you can," he says. "But I need it more. Hit me back but make sure Páidí sees you do it. Come on we'll go over here beside him here – he thinks I'm soft."
It threw McGeeney off his game altogether. He was laughing with me after. "How do you answer that?" he said. "I thought we were in the middle of a row!" The moral of the story is, if you're going to be going mouthing, you'd want to know your audience.
No avoiding it
There's no point in us all tearing our hair out about sledging. It's part of the game now and there's no avoiding it. You don't like seeing it but I wouldn't be getting my knickers in a twist about it either.
My view on it was always that it seemed to be a lot of wasted energy for not very much gain. The last thing I ever wanted to give an opponent was an insight into how I was thinking. I felt that there was way more advantage to being an unknown quality. If a guy is talking to you and yapping at you and you're not responding, then he has to be wondering what the point of it is.
I didn't get it that often but when I did, I just shut my mouth and carried on playing. The longer it kept going, the easier it was for me to play on and not respond. After a while it would stop – I always assumed out of embarrassment as much as anything. If you keep jabbering away at somebody and you get nothing back, surely you start to feel a bit stupid after a while.
Sledgers aren't bad people. They're just guys who've got themselves into a certain mindset for a certain game or opponent. They've convinced themselves that this will have an effect somehow or other. Ryan McMenamin was one of the worst for it – a monstrous little weasel when he was playing. But I've rarely met a footballer whose company I've enjoyed more off the pitch.
That just tells you it's all a put-on. Which, to me, proves that there's no point doing it. Sledging means nothing. It achieves nothing. I'd far rather a fella yapped in my ear all day and spent his energy on that rather than on making run after run for me to chase after. Sledging never scored a point or set up an attack. All it ever did as far as I was concerned was show a chink in the armour.
There's no doubt it's a huge part of football in Ulster now. Obviously you see it outside of Ulster but not to anywhere near the same extent. Funny, in all the talk that there's been since Sunday, nobody has really mentioned the driving force behind it – the sheer level of familiarity between the teams up there.
It's a massive factor. We played Limerick back to back in league and championship for a few years. It felt like they came out of the hat every time we turned around. And they pushed us to the wire a few times, which only made it worse. Suddenly, they were a team that we knew we had to keep down. We knew we couldn't let them start getting it into their heads that they were allowed to win against us. You couldn't let that idea take root.
So those games got spiky and they needed you to be mentally tuned in. You'd be going in knowing you weren't going to get any breaks from the referee because any bit of a dig out he was going to give would fall the way of the underdog. The other thing in your mind would be that you have Cork in a couple of weeks – don't be getting a man sent off, whatever happens.
What that meant was resigning yourself that you're going to be a punchbag, you're going to be a target and your job was going to be simple – suck it up and take it. Don't go looking for trouble. Stand your ground but don't give the referee an option to make a name for himself. Just get through it.
That's what a lot of these Ulster games must be like. Players know they have to get through it. They steel themselves for war every time they go out. Think about it. Ulster is the only province where most of the teams think they can beat each other on a regular basis. No county is afraid of any other county and the majority of them aren't beaten before the ball is thrown in, as is the case in the three other provinces.
On top of that, they meet each other often three or four times a year. Check the reports of the McKenna Cup games in January – the Ulster counties have far more of their best players out in those games than is the case down the country. Go back to the opening game this year, Tyrone v Armagh. It had nearly 9,000 people at it and it ended with four men sent off. Serious players too, Colm Cavanagh and Ciarán McKeever among them. No way do you see that sort of madness so early in the year down south.
Weak points
Throw in the fact that these guys come up against each other in colleges games and in league games and you arrive at the summer with them just having seen far too much of each other. They know each other's weak points. They know how to get at one another. Seán Cavanagh and Eamonn McGee were playing against each other in the championship back in 2004. How many times have they played against each other since? What is there left to say?
I enjoyed the Donegal-Tyrone game on Sunday. The pace of it was savage at times and the ability of these players to take hits and bounce up was totally admirable. Fellas were throwing themselves on the line for the cause, which is what you want to see in championship football. And the quality was high enough that there was no margin for error – those Tyrone wides in the first half cost them dearly in the end.
The difference between what was going on in Ballybofey and in the other games was massive. If you took a player out of one of the Leinster games at half-time and dropped him into the second half of Donegal-Tyrone, he'd have had a heart attack. Ballybofey was pure championship, the rest of it was Mickey Mouse stuff.
People can give out about the Ulster Championship all they like. But let's be honest here – it's the only thing worth watching this side of July. Intense, dogged, cynical, physical, no margin for error and always, always competitive. A bit of sledging won't stop people tuning in for that.
Interesting though that Darragh O Se picks as his main example of sledgers, Ryan McMenamin, corner back on the Tyrone of the nought-noughties.
Darragh is of course right in nearly all he says. But some people can't be as dispassionate about it, and I daresay it's even escalated since he stopped playing. Some people react, by striking or whatever, to either verbal or physical intimidation, and that's the primary aim.
I agree with everything Daragh says.
The one thing I would like to see stamped on, is the roaring into opponents faces, I really don't like that.
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I agree with everything Daragh says.
The one thing I would like to see stamped on, is the roaring into opponents faces, I really don't like that.
yeah i agree.
should be an automatic booking for 'unsporting behaviour' or whatever.
There is a rule in the black card list that is surely appropriate?
Quote4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
It's pretty fecking clear cut I'd have thought.
as an aside
any fall out from the shenanigans at half time
surely a couple of suspensions in the offing
Quote from: naka on May 21, 2015, 12:19:43 PM
as an aside
any fall out from the shenanigans at half time
surely a couple of suspensions in the offing
Yep, both County Boards fined, plus a suspension for Gavin Devlin (pending appeal).
Pa Horgan didn't have much sympathy for Tyrone . . . "I don't understand how a man can train for 7 months to hang out the back of Michael Murphy for 70 minutes!"
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2015, 12:30:41 PM
Pa Horgan didn't have much sympathy for Tyrone . . . "I don't understand how a man can train for 7 months to hang out the back of Michael Murphy for 70 minutes!"
Obviously totally unaware of what Murphy did to us on the same pitch in the League a few weeks ago.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2015, 12:13:17 PM
There is a rule in the black card list that is surely appropriate?
Quote4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
It's pretty fecking clear cut I'd have thought.
On The Sunday Game, they said that there was a briefing with the referees in Croke Park with the media and Kevin McStay directly asked the refs if they thought there was an issue with sledging in the game and the answer the referees gave was that they felt it wasn't any sort of serious issue.
For anyone who didn't read Dara's article, this is great:
QuoteAnyway against Armagh this time, him [Maurice Fitzgerald] and McGeeney were hopping off each other from early on. Maurice hit him a puck at one stage and McGeeney being McGeeney wasn't going to back down. He was full of chat for him. "Come on," he says. "Come on, I can take it, I can take it."
I only know this now because McGeeney said it to me later on. He'd have had plenty of running battles with fellas down the years but Maurice's reply was unique. "I know you can," he says. "But I need it more. Hit me back but make sure Páidí sees you do it. Come on we'll go over here beside him here – he thinks I'm soft."
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2015, 12:13:17 PM
There is a rule in the black card list that is surely appropriate?
Quote4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
It's pretty fecking clear cut I'd have thought.
Not for Joe McQuillan it wasn't.
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2015, 12:30:41 PM
Pa Horgan didn't have much sympathy for Tyrone . . . "I don't understand how a man can train for 7 months to hang out the back of Michael Murphy for 70 minutes!"
Out of all the fall out from the game, the one thing i dont understand is the level of critcism of Justin McMahon. :-\
What exactly did he do wrong? I mean , give an actual example of something he did that was out of the ordinary when man marking a dangerman forward?
The only difference i can see with Justys performance is that he had the dicipline and ability to stay with murphy for the whole 70 mins, something that is very very difficult.
Don't see anyone criticizing McMahon personally, and as you say, I think he deserves tremendous credit for his discipline. I thought he got away with a few fouls (including one that should have been a penalty), but the same probably happened at the other end of the field.
No problem at all with what McMahon was doing.
In that situation it is up to his teammates to step up & get the result, which is exactly what they did.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 21, 2015, 01:46:01 PM
No problem at all with what McMahon was doing.
In that situation it is up to his teammates to step up & get the result, which is exactly what they did.
Kerry men weren't complaining last year when Murphy got special attention in the final.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2015, 12:13:17 PM
There is a rule in the black card list that is surely appropriate?
Quote4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
It's pretty fecking clear cut I'd have thought.
Murphy could have had a red card never mind black. for attempted kicking with the leg"
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 21, 2015, 01:46:01 PM
No problem at all with what McMahon was doing.
In that situation it is up to his teammates to step up & get the result, which is exactly what they did.
Exactly, it's not the first time a star man has been singled out for close attention. Stop Murphy and you stop Donegal may have been the plan. Unfortunately for Tyrone, a few others stepped up to the plate, including McElhinney, McGlynn (who was superb) and Toye (who never looks like he should be good but is always effective). What I liked about Murphy was, although he wasn't having a great game, he was still composed enough to win it with those monster frees at the end when the pressure was on. Tyrone fans would have a lot of respect for Murphy and I'm sure Justin does too. The funny thing about this thread is that I don't think too many Tyrone or Donegal fans have a problem with how the game went on Sunday.
I see Tyrone tramps still discussing the beating they got at the weekend, you would imagine ye would be ashamed of yereselves after what Tyrone minors said at the weekend, ye are the scumiest, dirtiest, most detested county that ever played the sport. Sooner ye are knocked out of the championship the better. Hopefully the national media will run with Declan Bonners comments and the whole country see ye for what ye are.
Yer ma said she had to head home to help you with your homework.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 21, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
I see Tyrone tramps still discussing the beating they got at the weekend, you would imagine ye would be ashamed of yereselves after what Tyrone minors said at the weekend, ye are the scumiest, dirtiest, most detested county that ever played the sport. Sooner ye are knocked out of the championship the better. Hopefully the national media will run with Declan Bonners comments and the whole country see ye for what ye are.
With all due respect, that post represents everything that is wrong in the GAA.
Yes, Tyrone are in the eye of a storm at the moment but let none of us be so smug that we have no problems in our own county.
On top of that, in my view, we are all members of the GAA & a problem for one is a problem for all. There is a cancer in the game & it needs sorting at national as well as county level.
We could do our bit on this board by refraining from posts like the above.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 21, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
I see Tyrone tramps still discussing the beating they got at the weekend, you would imagine ye would be ashamed of yereselves after what Tyrone minors said at the weekend, ye are the scumiest, dirtiest, most detested county that ever played the sport. Sooner ye are knocked out of the championship the better. Hopefully the national media will run with Declan Bonners comments and the whole country see ye for what ye are.
Think about what you have written, then think about what you accuse Tyrone of.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 21, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
I see Tyrone tramps still discussing the beating they got at the weekend, you would imagine ye would be ashamed of yereselves after what Tyrone minors said at the weekend, ye are the scumiest, dirtiest, most detested county that ever played the sport. Sooner ye are knocked out of the championship the better. Hopefully the national media will run with Declan Bonners comments and the whole country see ye for what ye are.
What are your favourite crisps?
Ah here, PutUpThatFlag, your last 30 posts are all having a go at Tyrone (and Tyrone u21s before that).
Relax, lad.
There's a good chance his next 30 will be about us too.
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 21, 2015, 10:42:04 PM
There's a good chance his next 30 will be about us too.
He is a WUM. Don't engage with him. Like a semi dry cowpat you only get the smell when you poke it.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 21, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
I see Tyrone tramps still discussing the beating they got at the weekend, you would imagine ye would be ashamed of yereselves after what Tyrone minors said at the weekend, ye are the scumiest, dirtiest, most detested county that ever played the sport. Sooner ye are knocked out of the championship the better. Hopefully the national media will run with Declan Bonners comments and the whole country see ye for what ye are.
Where you ever dumped by a Tyrone woman or are you not old enough to have a girl friend yet.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-manager-slams-toxic-behaviour-after-player-taunted-over-death-of-his-father-from-cancer-31242515.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-manager-slams-toxic-behaviour-after-player-taunted-over-death-of-his-father-from-cancer-31242515.html)
There's sledging and then there is this. Absolutely disgraceful!
Would agree Archie,very poor form.
Is this what its come to? A tr**p like that needs sorting out by his own teammates if they've anything about them.
Disgraceful stuff...
I'm sure Devenney will also be as aggrieved with his teammates on the Donegal seniors who were at the very same thing in 2011?
Absolutely disgusting, the players involved should hang their heads in shame. Shouldn't be let near a Tyrone jersey again.
No doubt this is as low as you can get. The report suggests that it is two players involved which makes it even worse. Your heart can but feel for the young Donegal player.
We should also remember that the aggressors are most youngsters themselves. As much as they need punished they also need educated. What we need is this to be a watershed for the extinction of this type of behaviour.
Are these players being told to go out and get dirt or something personal about players to use or are players bringing it upon themselves to without anyone giving them "tips of the trade" to get information? Its happening at senior, under 21, minor. They aggressively denied that it is being coached but for me its far too common. My guess would be that these players are told to simply try and find out something that will put an opponent off their game and that its left to the player then
As I said there is only one county that there is concrete evidence of this being coached... and that's Donegal.
If true, this is just totally beyond the pale. As the organisation in charge of the coaches who have a duty of care to these underage players, the Tyrone county board should investigate this and take action to show that this sort of behaviour is just not acceptable.
Quote from: Throw ball on May 22, 2015, 12:15:08 AM
No doubt this is as low as you can get. The report suggests that it is two players involved which makes it even worse. Your heart can but feel for the young Donegal player.
We should also remember that the aggressors are most youngsters themselves. As much as they need punished they also need educated. What we need is this to be a watershed for the extinction of this type of behaviour.
Completely correct in the watershed comment - players should be named, shamed and a massive example made of them. As well as a serious consideration of the management, I recall a sketch from that moron Corey (the so-called comedian) on the lead up to the minor final against Mayo a few years ago, and to call it classless and totally disgusting would be an understatement and it was condoned. The county board PR and leadership needs to step up and offer an apology on behalf of the county to donegal and the lad and his family, embarrassed to be a tyrone gael after seeing this story break.
Quote from: tippabu on May 22, 2015, 12:25:52 AM
Are these players being told to go out and get dirt or something personal about players to use or are players bringing it upon themselves to without anyone giving them "tips of the trade" to get information? Its happening at senior, under 21, minor. They aggressively denied that it is being coached but for me its far too common. My guess would be that these players are told to simply try and find out something that will put an opponent off their game and that its left to the player then
Grow up!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2015, 12:32:10 AM
Quote from: tippabu on May 22, 2015, 12:25:52 AM
Are these players being told to go out and get dirt or something personal about players to use or are players bringing it upon themselves to without anyone giving them "tips of the trade" to get information? Its happening at senior, under 21, minor. They aggressively denied that it is being coached but for me its far too common. My guess would be that these players are told to simply try and find out something that will put an opponent off their game and that its left to the player then
Grow up!
where is it all stemming from? just a different culture? Is it just so common up there that these young lads dont need to be told? Genuinely would like to know peoples thoughts on the reasons for it being so widespread
You gotta wonder what the purpose of this is?
Is this all a case oneupmanship?
Where Declan Bonner and Brendan Devenny thinking about the players welfare when they plastered this across the national press? Did they even ask him permission before going public?
The very same thing was carried out by the Donegal senior team in 2011 and there has not been a murmur about it from the Tyrone camp
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 12:41:57 AM
You gotta wonder what the purpose of this is?
Is this all a case oneupmanship?
Where Declan Bonner and Brendan Devenny thinking about the players welfare when they plastered this across the national press? Did they even ask him permission before going public?
The very same thing was carried out by the Donegal senior team in 2011 and there has not been a murmur about it from the Tyrone camp
well if it did happen, the last thing that should be done is to say nothing and just carry on as if nothing happened. if donegal players did the same thing against tyrone in 2011 then tyrone should have spoken out against it, its sickening and people shouldnt get away with it
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2015, 12:30:43 AM
If true, this is just totally beyond the pale. As the organisation in charge of the coaches who have a duty of care to these underage players, the Tyrone county board should investigate this and take action to show that this sort of behaviour is just not acceptable.
+1 If this did happen this is way beyond decent behaviour. Tyrone county board need to investigate these allegations fully and any player found to be involved should never wear the Tyrone colours again. I for one could not defend this on the basis of what happened in 2011 which was also beyond any decent behaviour. No game is worth bringing yourself down to that level. Playing for your county is an honour and when you pull on that jersey you are representing your county club and community and stooping to such low depths is sickening.
Quote from: tippabu on May 22, 2015, 12:45:39 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 12:41:57 AM
You gotta wonder what the purpose of this is?
Is this all a case oneupmanship?
Where Declan Bonner and Brendan Devenny thinking about the players welfare when they plastered this across the national press? Did they even ask him permission before going public?
The very same thing was carried out by the Donegal senior team in 2011 and there has not been a murmur about it from the Tyrone camp
well if it did happen, the last thing that should be done is to say nothing and just carry on as if nothing happened. if donegal players did the same thing against tyrone in 2011 then tyrone should have spoken out against it, its sickening and people shouldnt get away with it
Listen there is no proof of anything, the only people that know anything for sure are the players involved.
Same as this case there is no proof of anything and of course the players involved are going to deny it so why put this kid thru the stress of appearing like he may be lying.
It was the same thing with the bitegate. You get the sense that Paddy McBearty wanted to forget about the whole thing and that Jim McGuinness was using it as some some sort of crusade to demonstrate to the rest of his players how much he cared about his guys. And with his background in sports physcology you really gotta be suspicious that McGuinness had an ulterior motive
My opinion is leave it all on the pitch, if someone was mouthing like that, they should get floored no questions asked, I'd deal with consequences, football isn't that important sometimes. Although in this case I would likely pay a visit to their house afterwards as well!
Quote from: tippabu on May 22, 2015, 12:25:52 AM
Are these players being told to go out and get dirt or something personal about players to use or are players bringing it upon themselves to without anyone giving them "tips of the trade" to get information? Its happening at senior, under 21, minor. They aggressively denied that it is being coached but for me its far too common. My guess would be that these players are told to simply try and find out something that will put an opponent off their game and that its left to the player then
Well said, it is rife in all their teams so surely not a coincidence. Its the only way they have a chance of winning but even still it didn't work for their minors.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 03:07:32 AM
My opinion is leave it all on the pitch, if someone was mouthing like that, they should get floored no questions asked, I'd deal with consequences, football isn't that important sometimes. Although in this case I would likely pay a visit to their house afterwards as well!
I would agree to a certain extent however it involves minor players. If it was in the senior match then fair enough deal with it privately yourself or collectively with your teammates and approach it however necessary, get your retribution if need be... but with lads at 17/18 years they need to be educated if anything. I'm sure the Tyrone lads in question aren't feeling too chirpy in the aftermath regardless of their defeat.
Minors, u21s , seniors.
But it's not organised of course. Who disagrees with me now ?
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 12:41:57 AM
You gotta wonder what the purpose of this is?
Is this all a case oneupmanship?
Where Declan Bonner and Brendan Devenny thinking about the players welfare when they plastered this across the national press? Did they even ask him permission before going public?
The very same thing was carried out by the Donegal senior team in 2011 and there has not been a murmur about it from the Tyrone camp
This needed to be put in the public domain to wake some sections of Tyrone and make them realise this toxic behaviour needs to be actively guarded against. There is zero chance that Tyrone's IC coaches are trying their damnest to stop players making a show of themselves and their county and they then go out and do just that. Stop playing the blame game and do something about your own lot.
The Donegal lad should have decked him, get the line and when he's asked afterwards what happened, say exactly what yer man said to him. Would leave no doubt as to the identity of the person involved
What happened in 2011? Any evidence to back up the Donegal managers claim?
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 21, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
I see Tyrone tramps still discussing the beating they got at the weekend, you would imagine ye would be ashamed of yereselves after what Tyrone minors said at the weekend, ye are the scumiest, dirtiest, most detested county that ever played the sport. Sooner ye are knocked out of the championship the better. Hopefully the national media will run with Declan Bonners comments and the whole country see ye for what ye are.
I seem to have missed Declan Bonner's comments, has anyone a link to them?
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 22, 2015, 08:21:01 AM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 21, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
I see Tyrone tramps still discussing the beating they got at the weekend, you would imagine ye would be ashamed of yereselves after what Tyrone minors said at the weekend, ye are the scumiest, dirtiest, most detested county that ever played the sport. Sooner ye are knocked out of the championship the better. Hopefully the national media will run with Declan Bonners comments and the whole country see ye for what ye are.
I seem to have missed Declan Bonner's comments, has anyone a link to them?
Never mind, Ive just seen them and iof true that is disgusting. However, I refuse to belive that a manager has instructed his players to go out and do that
Emotions run high in championship games - these Minor fellas are still maturing and they all have plenty of learning to do.
The journalists are a different breed and have little to learn - Brendan Devinney is a decent enough fella trying to make a name for himself in journalism, and this is a home grown story which gives him the chance to get an "exclusive" out there...the same fella would have sledged the balls of you...Ive been on pints with him and he knows the craic.
Last weeks game provided us with two of the so-called dirtiest teams around, yet provided a fairly decent game, and guess what...NO Calls for any rule changes? The media would have been looking at this game as the greatest opportunity to highlight the need for rule changes...but the game gave them nothing to write about....so they take the incident in the tunnel and turn it into a scene from Ferguson. They then turn Justin McMahon s performance into Silence of the lambs....and now some "he-said, she said" narrative that we will never really hear the honest version off...
The newspapers have all taken a guttural turn - all dumbing down to a level where everything is based on the Joe Brolly "a man i know said.." routine....
I'd say they will be champing at the bit to but another knife into Ulster after this weekend...
Sledging will be a part of the game - and indeed all field sports - until the lads start wearing microphones.
And then when the mic comes in.....
"You're a w**ker" = ticking
"I've rid your sister" = black card
"Id LIKE To ride your sister" = yellow card
"Can i ride your sister?" = red card
Blad de blah de blah
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 12:41:57 AM
You gotta wonder what the purpose of this is?
Is this all a case oneupmanship?
Where Declan Bonner and Brendan Devenny thinking about the players welfare when they plastered this across the national press? Did they even ask him permission before going public?
The very same thing was carried out by the Donegal senior team in 2011 and there has not been a murmur about it from the Tyrone camp
The main difference being teenagers and grown men. But sure your club were at it in the Ulster club final continually. No coincidence at all!!
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 22, 2015, 12:14:23 AM
Absolutely disgusting, the players involved should hang their heads in shame. Shouldn't be let near a Tyrone jersey again.
Fair play. . . the only decent Tyrone supporter here to call it like it is!!
This culture has been fostered for a number of years and no coaches demanded the players stop... Harte was happy to let it continue on his watch. Is not enough to say you don't coach it. Is an onus to stop it. Now we have this from a young player... it is sickeneing.
Quote from: longballin on May 22, 2015, 09:25:45 AM
This culture has been fostered for a number of years and no coaches demanded the players stop... Harte was happy to let it continue on his watch. Is not enough to say you don't coach it. Is an onus to stop it. Now we have this from a young player... it is sickeneing.
Very blinkered and naive view to think that one manager from one county and a few players are the only ones...bordering on stupid to he honest and Im not trying to offend you by saying that....
That you dont like Tyrone, thats fine...i personally couldn't give a f**k what you think about tyrone...but to put the blame on one man, regardless of who he is...to say that its ONLY tyrone is just stupid
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 22, 2015, 12:14:23 AM
Absolutely disgusting, the players involved should hang their heads in shame. Shouldn't be let near a Tyrone jersey again.
I agree, if there is any truth in this, its as low as they come.
Its very hard to stamp out this, as its very hard to prove either way to be able to hand out suspensions.
The unfortunate thing is that Tyrone are now out of the minor championship, as the best way to deal with it and send out the right message would have been for the minor management to 'suspend' the player themselves.
Unfortunatly, they wont have that option now.
If there isnt any truth in it, spreading that kind of gossip in the papers is equally as bad as the alledged offense itself.
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
QuoteThe county board PR and leadership needs to step up and offer an apology on behalf of the county to donegal and the lad and his family, embarrassed to be a tyrone gael after seeing this story break
QuoteMinors, u21s , seniors.
But it's not organised of course. Who disagrees with me now ?
Yes where are the sledger defenders now. Many lads came on here and said people were getting carried away and reactionary to last weeks game. It has no place in the game, end of.
Croke Park need to urgently come up with a retrospective punishment rule and fine teams and donate the cash to a charity organization. If even one man is suspected then the whole team gets a fine and a big one. That will put manners on everyone.
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:29:08 AM
Emotions run high in championship games - these Minor fellas are still maturing and they all have plenty of learning to do.
And no doubt those Tyrone lads have learned a valuable lesson.
How were they to know that goading an opposition player about his deceased father could be so hurtful?
They're not taught this stuff in school.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2015, 09:52:11 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:29:08 AM
Emotions run high in championship games - these Minor fellas are still maturing and they all have plenty of learning to do.
And no doubt those Tyrone lads have learned a valuable lesson.
How were they to know that goading an opposition player about his deceased father could be so hurtful?
They're not taught this stuff in school.
You are working on the basis that EVERYTHING in the paper is 100% true...imagine if it wasn't, eh?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 22, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
Lads, it doesn't have to be coached. Don't be disingenuous. All the coach has to say is 'Do whatever it takes to get into his head and put him off' and these things take off themselves.
What needs to happen here is the coaches have to actively coach it OUT of the game. In Tyrone, in Offaly, in Dublin and everywhere else. And I include the gesticulations, shouting and in your face stuff after a score/miss/mistake which is also designed to get the recipient to lash out. It's all bollox.
And lads, no matter how much ye like winding the Tyrone lads, it is NOT just in Tyrone.
Tyrone need a root & branch clear-out.
They should close down like the News of the World did and reinvent themselves at a later date.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2015, 10:16:40 AM
Lads, it doesn't have to be coached. Don't be disingenuous. All the coach has to say is 'Do whatever it takes to get into his head and put him off' and these things take off themselves.
What needs to happen here is the coaches have to actively coach it OUT of the game. In Tyrone, in Offaly, in Dublin and everywhere else. And I include the gesticulations, shouting and in your face stuff after a score/miss/mistake which is also designed to get the recipient to lash out. It's all bollox.
And lads, no matter how much ye like winding the Tyrone lads, it is NOT just in Tyrone.
AZ Personally I dont mind the winding up (sledging, if you will) at all - its the overt stupidity that is hardest to deal with.
Coaching it out of the game is as refreshing and sensible solution to a UNIVERSAL ill
I've no doubt it not coached but it hasn't been stopped by managers and coaches who obviosuly knew it was going on. A tacid endorsement. Tyrone don't have the monopoly on it... not a chance. Donaghy, Billy Sheehan... ,
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Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 12:28:58 AM
As I said there is only one county that there is concrete evidence of this being coached... and that's Donegal.
Concrete evidence?
This IS a problem in Tyrone and if you want further proof go to some of the club championship games over the next two weeks. Hopefully the club referees have had a meeting and made a united decision to apply the rules fully and punish ALL incidents appropriately using yellow, red and black cards.
I saw some footage of the recent Ardboe v Omagh league game and heard a lot of reports and I have to say it is hard to believe that there was not one red card produced.
The rules are there to protect players from physical and mental abuse if referees would only enforce them.
As well as referees the onus is on club officials and club management to ensure that their players wear the jersey respectfully and uphold the reputation of their club.
We can then have fantastic games of tough football.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
And there you go again, Tyrone started it and infected the rest. FFS. Sledging / verbals have been going on for years in all Counties. Sunday was not even a new low, I have heard of similar references to dead relatives in club matches in other counties going back to early 90's.
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
Bad mouthing a player or sledging is bad. Bad mouthing or sledging a county is worse.
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
And there you go again, Tyrone started it and infected the rest. FFS. Sledging / verbals have been going on for years in all Counties. Sunday was not even a new low, I have heard of similar references to dead relatives in club matches in other counties going back to early 90's.
Much in the same way as the English premiership commentary agenda is set by Sky, the GAA championship commentary is increasingly being set by RTE. Its becoming a bit of a soap opera every year where events other than the football are more talked about. Cynicism, refereeing, blanket defences, schmozzles, basically anything that gives the pundits an opportunity to express their outrage. Paid pundits sitting in RTE armchairs (a lot of whom are hypocrites if their own playing careers are anything to go by) forensically picking out controversial incidents so as to grab the headlines and feed the media hacks their newspaper inches for days on end. Its a bullshit world but its their way of justifying their own occupation as sports commentators/journalists. The players are mere pawns in this frenzy crreated by a media who are hungry for the next 'outrageous' incident.
yellowcard, undoubtedly the RTE luders have generated campaigns in the past, 'puke football' was the prime example, but this is a bit more than that. We have current and former players, and people involved in teams, complaining about what is going on and saying it has to stop. Don't throw the message away because some of the messangers are knobs.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/peter-canavan-i-never-witnessed-the-sledging-like-last-week-referees-have-a-responsibility-to-intervene-31244417.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/peter-canavan-i-never-witnessed-the-sledging-like-last-week-referees-have-a-responsibility-to-intervene-31244417.html)
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Interesting . . .
"Teamtalk has this afternoon learned that the sledging allegations that have been made by Donegal minor football manager Declan Bonner are not believed to be true. In an article in the Irish Star the Donegal man has slammed a Tyrone player for mocking Michael Carroll about the death of his father Francie.
Teamtalk has this afternoon been told by one prominent Donegal official that this is "definitely not the case". Our source went on to say that "the situation has gotten way out of control. It has been fuelled by both radio and newspaper coverage but our investigation suggests that the claim has no foundation".
The Tyrone player at the centre of the allegation has received a large number of threatening messages via social media and his club has informed Teamtalk that they are seeking a meeting with the Tyrone County Board to address the issue with Donegal immediately.
Declan Bonner is a man under pressure to deliver an All Ireland Minor title to Donegal this season and it will be interesting to see how responds to this latest development."
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
I have eyeballs? Thats not proof of anything other than you can see....doesnt mean that you actually understand what it is you are looking at
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
Omagh Joe sure your club were at it constantly in the Ulster club final.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 22, 2015, 04:33:12 PM
Omagh Joe sure your club were at it constantly in the Ulster club final.
Was at an Eoghan Rua and Kilrea game in the championship a few years ago - and there was absolutely no sledging at all. By ANY of the McGoldricks. At all
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 22, 2015, 04:33:12 PM
Omagh Joe sure your club were at it constantly in the Ulster club final.
My club have never been in an Ulster club final ;)
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 22, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 22, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
Serious amount of quoting going on here
Quote from: tippabu on May 22, 2015, 07:23:56 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 22, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
Serious amount of quoting going on here
You are right about that.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 22, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
dermy, but you've just added yourself. You talk about evidence? Ask any man outside of your county who leads the charge on sledging and you'll always get the same answer. But if youse want to continue arguing that the earth is flat, knock yourselves out
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 10:00:05 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 22, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
dermy, but you've just added yourself. You talk about evidence? Ask any man outside of your county who leads the charge on sledging and you'll always get the same answer. But if youse want to continue arguing that the earth is flat, knock yourselves out
The earth has fairly conclusively proved to be round supported by evidence
If you went around the world in 1500 asking people that if the earth was flat they would have said flat.
Just because people say it is the case does not make it so.
Now back to the point you said you had seen evidence of systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture. I am interested in how this done, you have said you have seen evidence of how it its done? What exactly have you seen? I promise I will take you at your word but you have to tell me what you've seen
I just hope a man in a position like Declan Bonner absolutely got his facts right before filling up space in his newspaper column. If he hasn't and has hung a 17 year old out to dry in public then I hope he is dealt with in the strongest possible way.
From the Irish Independent.....
The Tyrone County Board has refuted 'in the strongest possible terms" that any of their players were involved in an alleged sledging incident during a minor game with Donegal last weekend.
The statement comes after Donegal manager Declan Bonner told The Donegal News that one of his players, Micheal Carroll (17) was taunted by two opposition players in relation to his father's death from cancer.
The accusation prompted outrage in GAA circles but the claims have been completely denied.
But in a statement, Tyrone GAA said: "Due to persistent allegations circulating in the media, some of which have been attributed to the Donegal Minor football manager, regarding verbal abuse during the Tyrone v Donegal Ulster Minor Football Championship match, Coiste Contae Thir Eoghain has conducted an investigation, involving its management and players.
"As a result of the investigation undertaken it would refute in the strongest possible terms that a comment was made by any of its players to a Donegal player regarding the death of his father in 2014. Tyrone GAA in no way condone 'sledging' and the managers and coaches of all our county teams, from Acadamh Thir Eoghain to Senior, actively discourage this practice.
"Tyrone GAA congratulates both Donegal teams on their victories on Sunday in Ballybofey, wishing them well in the remainder of their 2015 campaigns and would express our deepest sympathies to the player on his loss."
In Kerry a few years back, one of their minors viciously assaulted two people in two separate incidents on the same night out. The county board and the management defended this player to a hilt. He ended up having to pay a massive sum to the two men in question. County boards will always defend their own. They are not to be trusted in any county.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 10:00:05 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 22, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
dermy, but you've just added yourself. You talk about evidence? Ask any man outside of your county who leads the charge on sledging and you'll always get the same answer. But if youse want to continue arguing that the earth is flat, knock yourselves out
The earth has fairly conclusively proved to be round supported by evidence
If you went around the world in 1500 asking people that if the earth was flat they would have said flat.
Just because people say it is the case does not make it so.
Now back to the point you said you had seen evidence of systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture. I am interested in how this done, you have said you have seen evidence of how it its done? What exactly have you seen? I promise I will take you at your word but you have to tell me what you've seen
I would have thought that witnessing 3 separate teams wearing Tyrone jerseys consistently sledge their direct opponents in the last 3 weeks that it was fairly self evident for all to see that there is a consistency to this type of behaviour in that particular county!!
Jaysus Loopy 1995 was 20 years ago. Let it go already. Holding a grudge that long can't be good for you.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 22, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 22, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
Speaking of evidence, you were referring earlier to "concrete evidence" that it is coached in Donegal...?
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Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
Speaking of evidence, you were referring earlier to "concrete evidence" that it is coached in Donegal...?
Kevin Cassidy's book its all in there
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Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
dermy, but you've just added yourself. You talk about evidence? Ask any man outside of your county who leads the charge on sledging and you'll always get the same answer. But if youse want to continue arguing that the earth is flat, knock yourselves out
The earth has fairly conclusively proved to be round supported by evidence
If you went around the world in 1500 asking people that if the earth was flat they would have said flat.
Just because people say it is the case does not make it so.
Now back to the point you said you had seen evidence of systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture. I am interested in how this done, you have said you have seen evidence of how it its done? What exactly have you seen? I promise I will take you at your word but you have to tell me what you've seen
I would have thought that witnessing 3 separate teams wearing Tyrone jerseys consistently sledge their direct opponents in the last 3 weeks that it was fairly self evident for all to see that there is a consistency to this type of behaviour in that particular county!!
So consistency in behaviour you could maybe argue however what you said was "systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture."
So do you have any evidence for this system which ingrains it in Tyrone's football culture?
Or
Did the nice sounding turn of phrase coupled with your hatred of Tyrone entice you into agreeing to something that you hadn't really thought about what it actually meant?
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Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
Speaking of evidence, you were referring earlier to "concrete evidence" that it is coached in Donegal...?
Kevin Cassidy's book its all in there
Nothing in there about coaching it. At worst you could say McGuinness gave it tacit approval, like many other managers. According to the book, McGuinness was approached about it, and went away and came up with the wrist band stuff.
That and getting the team to say "not today" when Tyrone started with THEIR talking in that 2011 fame.
Of course, the GAA should address it so that managers CAN'T give it tacit approval.
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Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
Speaking of evidence, you were referring earlier to "concrete evidence" that it is coached in Donegal...?
Kevin Cassidy's book its all in there
Nothing in there about coaching it. At worst you could say McGuinness gave it tacit approval, like many other managers. According to the book, McGuinness was approached about it, and went away and came up with the wrist band stuff.
That and getting the team to say "not today" when Tyrone started with THEIR talking in that 2011 fame.
Of course, the GAA should address it so that managers CAN'T give it tacit approval.
Yes Lacey and Murphy approached him about being nastier. They also watched a youtube clip of some American footballer "trash talking" and they were going to adopt a similar approach to their game.
If that's not coaching it then I dunno what is.
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Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
Speaking of evidence, you were referring earlier to "concrete evidence" that it is coached in Donegal...?
Kevin Cassidy's book its all in there
Nothing in there about coaching it. At worst you could say McGuinness gave it tacit approval, like many other managers. According to the book, McGuinness was approached about it, and went away and came up with the wrist band stuff.
That and getting the team to say "not today" when Tyrone started with THEIR talking in that 2011 fame.
Of course, the GAA should address it so that managers CAN'T give it tacit approval.
Yes Lacey and Murphy approached him about being nastier. They also watched a youtube clip of some American footballer "trash talking" and they were going to adopt a similar approach to their game.
If that's not coaching it then I dunno what is.
The players had been getting it for years from opponents and took it into their own hands to meet like with like. Cassidy claimed he started it as he thought a lot of the team was too nice. Nothing in there about McGuinness introducing it or coaching it. Obviously he knew about it and didn't do much to discourage it, just like Mickey Harte.
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Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 22, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."
work out the rest from there
Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .
You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst
Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?
FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you
Minors , u21s and seniors and lower. But it's not organised. My arse it isn't. Now it's systemic in the game especially in Ulster . What's next . How much lower can the game sink
Indianna, how exactly do you think this is 'organised'?
You think we run 'mouthing' sessions up in garvaghy.or therea re courses on sledgeing and opponent?
Serious question,do you really think that is is actually coached????? :-\
The lad evidently hasn't a clue...its coached at home first, then mass, in the young-fianna, on manoeuvres, THEN primary school, grammar and then the new academy set up
It is systemically engrained in Tyrones football culture. The problem as we saw last Sunday is that it has spread to the rest of Ulster and probably beyond. A low point for the game.
Systematically engrained...can you go about deeper into this, without repeating Joe Brolly? Explain what that might actually look like...ion real life?
Trust me - you really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers
I wouldn't agree with all of what Indiana says, disagree with a lot actually, and indeed will have a wee smile when Dublin are put to the sword in this years championship, but he is correct when he says "It is systemically ingrained in Tyrone's football culture", has been all through the Harte regime.
Despite the fact that all the evidence points to the contary
what are you blathering about? The evidence I use is my own set of eyeballs
Tell us more about these systems that you have seen that ingrain it into Tyrone football culture.
Have you seen spreadsheets and flowcharts of these systems?
Joe i wouldn't even humour this lad....
very good. Very few have talked as much clap as yourself on this subject
Me or Dermy?
Anyway back to this evidence you have seen...
Speaking of evidence, you were referring earlier to "concrete evidence" that it is coached in Donegal...?
Kevin Cassidy's book its all in there
Nothing in there about coaching it. At worst you could say McGuinness gave it tacit approval, like many other managers. According to the book, McGuinness was approached about it, and went away and came up with the wrist band stuff.
That and getting the team to say "not today" when Tyrone started with THEIR talking in that 2011 fame.
Of course, the GAA should address it so that managers CAN'T give it tacit approval.
Yes Lacey and Murphy approached him about being nastier. They also watched a youtube clip of some American footballer "trash talking" and they were going to adopt a similar approach to their game.
If that's not coaching it then I dunno what is.
The players had been getting it for years from opponents and took it into their own hands to meet like with like. Cassidy claimed he started it as he thought a lot of the team was too nice. Nothing in there about McGuinness introducing it or coaching it. Obviously he knew about it and didn't do much to discourage it, just like Mickey Harte.
Right or Wrong, Reasons for doing I'm not trying to establish in this particular discussion, what I am trying to establish is concrete evidence of whether or not it is coached
We have a first hand account from the Donegal camp that they were to become nastier on the pitch and were showed a video of a guy sledging at their training. That is coaching it, that's not turning a blind eye to it that's coaching it! I wouldn't call it systemic coaching (like Tyrone are alleged to do) but it is coaching none the less.
On the other hand you said that Mickey Harte turned a blind eye to it, there is no evidence of that. The only evidence is when he was asked about it, he denied it along with the denials of numerous players, so the evidence is to the contrary regarding Tyrone
On a side note the perception that Donegal were a soft touch was not true, the perception that they were too found of the pints tho.... well that was!
So you are saying Harte never knew what the likes of McMenamin and boys like him were doing for all those years? Because if he did, and took no action to stop, then that is turning a blind eye to it.
And in Donegal's case it was the players showing each other the Dawkins video. Even in Donegal they have smart phones, you know! Coaching it would be McGuinness and staff talking to players about it, encouraging players to engage in it. There is evidence of that.
Regardless, McGuinness, just like Harte, allowed it to go on.
Several players from Armagh have spoken about their regarding the Donegal team of that era as soft touches.
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2015, 04:56:26 PM
Several players from Armagh have spoken about their regarding the Donegal team of that era as soft touches.
I've heard that said several times but always thought it was a figment of the collective Donegal imagination?
Posting at 2am on a Sat night is always dangerous.
I've often read others posts so late with drink consumed and thought Christ you'll regret that in the morning.
Anyway, I had a good chat with a 75+ yr old today about the anti Tyrone feeling and Ulster sledging talk.
My conclusions are.
If it wasn't for Mickey Harte's stubbornness I'm not sure if we would be still waiting on No 1 Sam.
Sledging is rife in most counties for years my aul pal tells me but here's my VERY controversial opinion.
I HATE booing free taking. Even the worst of the worst English Milwall fans show respect for penalties.
Some of our players overstepped the line several times in Sledging terms in the highly competitive Ulster cauldron.
Mr not so clean shaven Harte never spoke out and made a stand to several players over the years. He might not encourage it nor help get phone numbers but if he really wanted to end it he could. Anyone spotted yapping is hauled off.
The fact remains that managers are under major pressure and what is good or bad for the game means f**k all to them, unlike Brolly, Spillane and puppets.
Look at the last 10 different winners of Sam.
How many have totally played it fair and have played it clean open ball. Even this superb Dubs team had to resort to negativity to get over the he line.
Compare Barcelona to Real Madrid.
Boa Noite!!!!
Meath, we in Tyrone salute you.
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
So you are saying Harte never knew what the likes of McMenamin and boys like him were doing for all those years? Because if he did, and took no action to stop, then that is turning a blind eye to it.
And in Donegal's case it was the players showing each other the Dawkins video. Even in Donegal they have smart phones, you know! Coaching it would be McGuinness and staff talking to players about it, encouraging players to engage in it. There is evidence of that.
Regardless, McGuinness, just like Harte, allowed it to go on.
When talking about turning a blind eye to it I was referring to the coaching of sledging not the actual sledging itself. Harte obviously tolerated the actual sledging at some level. I used to get a right rollicking from underage managers for slabbering but they never took me off so I suppose you could say they tolerated as well. I imagine this is what the Harte Ricey scenario was regarding it.
But regarding turning a blind eye to the coaching of sledging there is no evidence of that whatsoever, and there is also no evidence of coaching sledging in the Tyrone setup under Harte.
With the McGuinnes Donegal setup on the other hand there is evidence that it was preplanned and coached. A video of a man sledging was watched at training as an example of to how to be nasty on the field. Right or wrong whatever, that's coaching sledging.
Donegal took Tyrone's swarm defending on 03 to a whole new level. Back in Spillane's playing days you would have often saw him and other half forwards back helping their defence like Dooher & co.
Donegal turned that up a massive notch and applied soccer style tactics where weaker teams park the bus and hope to frustrate their opponents. It works but is horrible to watch.
If that is true about them watching a sledging video to bring that "tactic" on to a new level then that really is worrying.
My point is sledging has already gone too far in my eyes where its now a big part of the game. As Dara O Sé says these Ulster players know each other too well and the local rivalry is too intense.
Every year we play back door games, you can visibly see the more relaxed style of football.
The nervous intensity of the 03 AI final from both players and fans was unreal. Two massive rival neighbour teams with so much at stake produced a high tension game.
If Tyrone/Monaghan/Armagh played Donegal played in an AI final this year it would need to be after the 9 pm watershed.
Say what you want but Donegal have come from nowhere, thought up new tactics and have dominated Ulster football for the last 5 years. Fact.
They have learnt those extra wee things it takes to win an AI that many counties just don't get.
Once you cross that line its hard to turn back.
I wonder will Monaghan be the next new name on the list to win Sam.
Local derbies and tension are a huge part of the gaa and add to championship games - that's why more people go to watch them. We all enjoy a bit of an edge and confrontations. It's always been in the games and if taken away I think the game would be worse of for it. We're in danger of turning our game soft with all this over the top in depth analysis and fake moral outrage from the media. The half time incident last week was very little - a bit of pushing and shoving. 20 years ago that would have been a full blown scrap. That's why its funny to see the rte analysts look so disturbed by it and trying to make out its something new in the game.
Similary Justy McMahon did a marking job on Murphy - it was a one on one battle that the game has been built on. I remember Canavan having great duals with McKeever from Derry etc and everyone loved those battles. Murphy is well capable of looking after himself and regularly throws his weight about. Many times in the past we've seen defenders taking it to far with late hits or hitting of the ball, what McMahon done wasn't that bad at all. RTE went through the video to try and criticise McMahon for going over the top and couldn't find one incident.
As for the talking its always been part of the game and as long as not taken to far who really cares. Like telling someone they're crap after missing a free isn't doing much harm. There is a line which should never be crossed for example what was alleged in the minor game or mention someone sick etc. And everyone needs to take a look at themself in this area. Anything else and the players are well capable of laughing it of or giving a bit back.
I think people need to have a think what they want out of the game - do we want it totally diluted with little physical content and the local passion taken away? I certainly don't and in my opinion we'd have a much worse game if that was the way. I'd love a rematch with Donegal later in the summer in Croke Park and another full blown local derby (if nothing else it'll mean we've had a good run in the qualifiers) and a chance to get another go at the f--kers.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 04:37:22 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
So you are saying Harte never knew what the likes of McMenamin and boys like him were doing for all those years? Because if he did, and took no action to stop, then that is turning a blind eye to it.
And in Donegal's case it was the players showing each other the Dawkins video. Even in Donegal they have smart phones, you know! Coaching it would be McGuinness and staff talking to players about it, encouraging players to engage in it. There is evidence of that.
Regardless, McGuinness, just like Harte, allowed it to go on.
When talking about turning a blind eye to it I was referring to the coaching of sledging not the actual sledging itself. Harte obviously tolerated the actual sledging at some level. I used to get a right rollicking from underage managers for slabbering but they never took me off so I suppose you could say they tolerated as well. I imagine this is what the Harte Ricey scenario was regarding it.
But regarding turning a blind eye to the coaching of sledging there is no evidence of that whatsoever, and there is also no evidence of coaching sledging in the Tyrone setup under Harte.
With the McGuinnes Donegal setup on the other hand there is evidence that it was preplanned and coached. A video of a man sledging was watched at training as an example of to how to be nasty on the field. Right or wrong whatever, that's coaching sledging.
So if the players had looked at the video in the pub and shared it by email it would NOT be "coaching"? The fact that they looked at it at training is what matters?
The fact is they approached McGuinness about it and there is no evidence that he or the coaching staff presented the idea to the squad or encouraged it.
Unless there is evidence to the contrary?
Besides, what difference would it make anyway. Watching a video or talking to/observing the on - field conduct of your colleagues and opponents, it's not as if Cassidy was introducing a tactic none of these players had previously seen. You think Colm McFadden decked Brian Dooher in 2007 for no reason? Or various other players on the team who, at various times over the years had reacted to sledging and got the line? They'd seen the effectiveness of the practice over the previous decade.
Games over lads, move on
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 04:37:22 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
So you are saying Harte never knew what the likes of McMenamin and boys like him were doing for all those years? Because if he did, and took no action to stop, then that is turning a blind eye to it.
And in Donegal's case it was the players showing each other the Dawkins video. Even in Donegal they have smart phones, you know! Coaching it would be McGuinness and staff talking to players about it, encouraging players to engage in it. There is evidence of that.
Regardless, McGuinness, just like Harte, allowed it to go on.
When talking about turning a blind eye to it I was referring to the coaching of sledging not the actual sledging itself. Harte obviously tolerated the actual sledging at some level. I used to get a right rollicking from underage managers for slabbering but they never took me off so I suppose you could say they tolerated as well. I imagine this is what the Harte Ricey scenario was regarding it.
But regarding turning a blind eye to the coaching of sledging there is no evidence of that whatsoever, and there is also no evidence of coaching sledging in the Tyrone setup under Harte.
With the McGuinnes Donegal setup on the other hand there is evidence that it was preplanned and coached. A video of a man sledging was watched at training as an example of to how to be nasty on the field. Right or wrong whatever, that's coaching sledging.
So if the players had looked at the video in the pub and shared it by email it would NOT be "coaching"? The fact that they looked at it at training is what matters?
The fact is they approached McGuinness about it and there is no evidence that he or the coaching staff presented the idea to the squad or encouraged it.
Unless there is evidence to the contrary?
Besides, what difference would it make anyway. Watching a video or talking to/observing the on - field conduct of your colleagues and opponents, it's not as if Cassidy was introducing a tactic none of these players had previously seen. You think Colm McFadden decked Brian Dooher in 2007 for no reason? Or various other players on the team who, at various times over the years had reacted to sledging and got the line? They'd seen the effectiveness of the practice over the previous decade.
What really matters is that the players were gathered together as a collective unit to be coached and were shown a video as to how to go about sledging.
What difference does it make that it was coached and preplanned? I don't know, that's another discussion. What we are discussing now is evidence of it being preplanned and coached, and Cassidy's book provides us with that evidence.
Gathered to discuss. Preplanned among players, yes. No evidence coaches or management were involved, however. The only word about coaching regarding mouthing in the book is about counteracting the expected Tyrone sledging!
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
Gathered to discuss. Preplanned among players, yes. No evidence coaches or management were involved, however. The only word about coaching regarding mouthing in the book is about counteracting the expected Tyrone sledging!
Gathered to discuss, prelanned and demonstrated(which u left out). That's a pretty good definition of coaching.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
Gathered to discuss. Preplanned among players, yes. No evidence coaches or management were involved, however. The only word about coaching regarding mouthing in the book is about counteracting the expected Tyrone sledging!
Gathered to discuss, prelanned and demonstrated(which u left out). That's a pretty good definition of coaching.
The players themselves. No coaches or management dictating or implementing. I see no difference between that and players watching each other do it in matches or chatting about it without watching a Brian Dawkins video on someone's phone or whatever. It just ideas spreading among lads about stuff they're all aware of anyway from playing. If you think it's such a big deal and significant distinction, suit yourself.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
Gathered to discuss. Preplanned among players, yes. No evidence coaches or management were involved, however. The only word about coaching regarding mouthing in the book is about counteracting the expected Tyrone sledging!
Gathered to discuss, prelanned and demonstrated(which u left out). That's a pretty good definition of coaching.
The players themselves. No coaches or management dictating or implementing. I see no difference between that and players watching each other do it in matches or chatting about it without watching a Brian Dawkins video on someone's phone or whatever. It just ideas spreading among lads about stuff they're all aware of anyway from playing. If you think it's such a big deal and significant distinction, suit yourself.
Well you see there is a difference one would be giving a bad example and the other would be demonstrating this is what you should be doing and this is how to do it.
Whether management involved or not, it is still organised coaching of sledging by the Donegal Senior county team.
Althought I find it difficult to disclude the management from involvement considering the fact that they organise the training and some of the coaching that took place at the training was coaching for sledging. Throw in the wristbands, the Stasi style type operation JMG ran, and Gallagher's renowned sledging when he was a player, its almost laughable to imagine that the management weren't the main overseers of the sledging coaching.
However for the sake of argument lets disclude them here, the fact still remains:
Donegal Senior football team are the only county were this is evidence of sledging being coached.
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 04:37:22 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
So you are saying Harte never knew what the likes of McMenamin and boys like him were doing for all those years? Because if he did, and took no action to stop, then that is turning a blind eye to it.
And in Donegal's case it was the players showing each other the Dawkins video. Even in Donegal they have smart phones, you know! Coaching it would be McGuinness and staff talking to players about it, encouraging players to engage in it. There is evidence of that.
Regardless, McGuinness, just like Harte, allowed it to go on.
When talking about turning a blind eye to it I was referring to the coaching of sledging not the actual sledging itself. Harte obviously tolerated the actual sledging at some level. I used to get a right rollicking from underage managers for slabbering but they never took me off so I suppose you could say they tolerated as well. I imagine this is what the Harte Ricey scenario was regarding it.
But regarding turning a blind eye to the coaching of sledging there is no evidence of that whatsoever, and there is also no evidence of coaching sledging in the Tyrone setup under Harte.
With the McGuinnes Donegal setup on the other hand there is evidence that it was preplanned and coached. A video of a man sledging was watched at training as an example of to how to be nasty on the field. Right or wrong whatever, that's coaching sledging.
So if the players had looked at the video in the pub and shared it by email it would NOT be "coaching"? The fact that they looked at it at training is what matters?
The fact is they approached McGuinness about it and there is no evidence that he or the coaching staff presented the idea to the squad or encouraged it.
Unless there is evidence to the contrary?
Besides, what difference would it make anyway. Watching a video or talking to/observing the on - field conduct of your colleagues and opponents, it's not as if Cassidy was introducing a tactic none of these players had previously seen. You think Colm McFadden decked Brian Dooher in 2007 for no reason? Or various other players on the team who, at various times over the years had reacted to sledging and got the line? They'd seen the effectiveness of the practice over the previous decade.
J70, you make it sound as if McFadden actually had to hit Dooher in order to deck him.
Quote from: Main Street on May 25, 2015, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 04:37:22 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
So you are saying Harte never knew what the likes of McMenamin and boys like him were doing for all those years? Because if he did, and took no action to stop, then that is turning a blind eye to it.
And in Donegal's case it was the players showing each other the Dawkins video. Even in Donegal they have smart phones, you know! Coaching it would be McGuinness and staff talking to players about it, encouraging players to engage in it. There is evidence of that.
Regardless, McGuinness, just like Harte, allowed it to go on.
When talking about turning a blind eye to it I was referring to the coaching of sledging not the actual sledging itself. Harte obviously tolerated the actual sledging at some level. I used to get a right rollicking from underage managers for slabbering but they never took me off so I suppose you could say they tolerated as well. I imagine this is what the Harte Ricey scenario was regarding it.
But regarding turning a blind eye to the coaching of sledging there is no evidence of that whatsoever, and there is also no evidence of coaching sledging in the Tyrone setup under Harte.
With the McGuinnes Donegal setup on the other hand there is evidence that it was preplanned and coached. A video of a man sledging was watched at training as an example of to how to be nasty on the field. Right or wrong whatever, that's coaching sledging.
So if the players had looked at the video in the pub and shared it by email it would NOT be "coaching"? The fact that they looked at it at training is what matters?
The fact is they approached McGuinness about it and there is no evidence that he or the coaching staff presented the idea to the squad or encouraged it.
Unless there is evidence to the contrary?
Besides, what difference would it make anyway. Watching a video or talking to/observing the on - field conduct of your colleagues and opponents, it's not as if Cassidy was introducing a tactic none of these players had previously seen. You think Colm McFadden decked Brian Dooher in 2007 for no reason? Or various other players on the team who, at various times over the years had reacted to sledging and got the line? They'd seen the effectiveness of the practice over the previous decade.
J70, you make it sound as if McFadden actually had to hit Dooher in order to deck him.
Where's the Tyrone bunting these days? I was disappointed there was none up to welcome home our latest all-Ireland champions.
J70, you make it sound as if McFadden actually had to hit Dooher in order to deck him.
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Surely J70 means Dooher was sledging McFadden so much that he just lost his temper and hit him?
Quote from: thebuzz on May 25, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
J70, you make it sound as if McFadden actually had to hit Dooher in order to deck him.
Surely J70 means Dooher was sledging McFadden so much that he just lost his temper and hit him?
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Sweet mother of God ::)
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 25, 2015, 05:23:08 PM
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
Gathered to discuss. Preplanned among players, yes. No evidence coaches or management were involved, however. The only word about coaching regarding mouthing in the book is about counteracting the expected Tyrone sledging!
Gathered to discuss, prelanned and demonstrated(which u left out). That's a pretty good definition of coaching.
The players themselves. No coaches or management dictating or implementing. I see no difference between that and players watching each other do it in matches or chatting about it without watching a Brian Dawkins video on someone's phone or whatever. It just ideas spreading among lads about stuff they're all aware of anyway from playing. If you think it's such a big deal and significant distinction, suit yourself.
Well you see there is a difference one would be giving a bad example and the other would be demonstrating this is what you should be doing and this is how to do it.
Whether management involved or not, it is still organised coaching of sledging by the Donegal Senior county team.
Althought I find it difficult to disclude the management from involvement considering the fact that they organise the training and some of the coaching that took place at the training was coaching for sledging. Throw in the wristbands, the Stasi style type operation JMG ran, and Gallagher's renowned sledging when he was a player, its almost laughable to imagine that the management weren't the main overseers of the sledging coaching.
However for the sake of argument lets disclude them here, the fact still remains:
Donegal Senior football team are the only county were this is evidence of sledging being coached.
Can we presume your suspicions about management involvement are equally as strong when it comes to the existence of sledging at various age levels in Tyrone then?
Quote from: J70 on May 25, 2015, 10:49:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 25, 2015, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 25, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
Gathered to discuss. Preplanned among players, yes. No evidence coaches or management were involved, however. The only word about coaching regarding mouthing in the book is about counteracting the expected Tyrone sledging!
Gathered to discuss, prelanned and demonstrated(which u left out). That's a pretty good definition of coaching.
The players themselves. No coaches or management dictating or implementing. I see no difference between that and players watching each other do it in matches or chatting about it without watching a Brian Dawkins video on someone's phone or whatever. It just ideas spreading among lads about stuff they're all aware of anyway from playing. If you think it's such a big deal and significant distinction, suit yourself.
Well you see there is a difference one would be giving a bad example and the other would be demonstrating this is what you should be doing and this is how to do it.
Whether management involved or not, it is still organised coaching of sledging by the Donegal Senior county team.
Althought I find it difficult to disclude the management from involvement considering the fact that they organise the training and some of the coaching that took place at the training was coaching for sledging. Throw in the wristbands, the Stasi style type operation JMG ran, and Gallagher's renowned sledging when he was a player, its almost laughable to imagine that the management weren't the main overseers of the sledging coaching.
However for the sake of argument lets disclude them here, the fact still remains:
Donegal Senior football team are the only county were this is evidence of sledging being coached.
Can we presume your suspicions about management involvement are equally as strong when it comes to the existence of sledging at various age levels in Tyrone then?
How would you presume that? When there is no evidence of coaching sledging in Tyrone where as there is in the Donegal Senior County setup?
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 25, 2015, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 25, 2015, 10:49:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 25, 2015, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 25, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
Gathered to discuss. Preplanned among players, yes. No evidence coaches or management were involved, however. The only word about coaching regarding mouthing in the book is about counteracting the expected Tyrone sledging!
Gathered to discuss, prelanned and demonstrated(which u left out). That's a pretty good definition of coaching.
The players themselves. No coaches or management dictating or implementing. I see no difference between that and players watching each other do it in matches or chatting about it without watching a Brian Dawkins video on someone's phone or whatever. It just ideas spreading among lads about stuff they're all aware of anyway from playing. If you think it's such a big deal and significant distinction, suit yourself.
Well you see there is a difference one would be giving a bad example and the other would be demonstrating this is what you should be doing and this is how to do it.
Whether management involved or not, it is still organised coaching of sledging by the Donegal Senior county team.
Althought I find it difficult to disclude the management from involvement considering the fact that they organise the training and some of the coaching that took place at the training was coaching for sledging. Throw in the wristbands, the Stasi style type operation JMG ran, and Gallagher's renowned sledging when he was a player, its almost laughable to imagine that the management weren't the main overseers of the sledging coaching.
However for the sake of argument lets disclude them here, the fact still remains:
Donegal Senior football team are the only county were this is evidence of sledging being coached.
Can we presume your suspicions about management involvement are equally as strong when it comes to the existence of sledging at various age levels in Tyrone then?
How would you presume that? When there is no evidence of coaching sledging in Tyrone where as there is in the Donegal Senior County setup?
So the last few weeks is all a coincidence?
Just to be clear - I frankly don't care if Tyrone county or clubs coach it or not, and even if I did, I can hardly cast stones when players from my own county team are into the sledging game also. However, it is showing up in even your underage teams, hence the widespread accusations and suspicion cast upon your county of late. People are finding it hard to believe that it is completely coincidental that those teams are not being offered at least some pointers.
But go ahead and cling to the Donegal players sharing a video in order to get a few tips on how to fight fire with fire as evidence that at least you're not as bad as them'uns!
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 25, 2015, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 25, 2015, 10:49:15 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 25, 2015, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 25, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
Gathered to discuss. Preplanned among players, yes. No evidence coaches or management were involved, however. The only word about coaching regarding mouthing in the book is about counteracting the expected Tyrone sledging!
Gathered to discuss, prelanned and demonstrated(which u left out). That's a pretty good definition of coaching.
The players themselves. No coaches or management dictating or implementing. I see no difference between that and players watching each other do it in matches or chatting about it without watching a Brian Dawkins video on someone's phone or whatever. It just ideas spreading among lads about stuff they're all aware of anyway from playing. If you think it's such a big deal and significant distinction, suit yourself.
Well you see there is a difference one would be giving a bad example and the other would be demonstrating this is what you should be doing and this is how to do it.
Whether management involved or not, it is still organised coaching of sledging by the Donegal Senior county team.
Althought I find it difficult to disclude the management from involvement considering the fact that they organise the training and some of the coaching that took place at the training was coaching for sledging. Throw in the wristbands, the Stasi style type operation JMG ran, and Gallagher's renowned sledging when he was a player, its almost laughable to imagine that the management weren't the main overseers of the sledging coaching.
However for the sake of argument lets disclude them here, the fact still remains:
Donegal Senior football team are the only county were this is evidence of sledging being coached.
Can we presume your suspicions about management involvement are equally as strong when it comes to the existence of sledging at various age levels in Tyrone then?
How would you presume that? When there is no evidence of coaching sledging in Tyrone where as there is in the Donegal Senior County setup?
So the last few weeks is all a coincidence?
Just to be clear - I frankly don't care if Tyrone county or clubs coach it or not, and even if I did, I can hardly cast stones when players from my own county team are into the sledging game also. However, it is showing up in even your underage teams, hence the widespread accusations and suspicion cast upon your county of late. People are finding it hard to believe that it is completely coincidental that those teams are not being offered at least some pointers.
But go ahead and cling to the Donegal players sharing a video in order to get a few tips on how to fight fire with fire as evidence that at least you're not as bad as them'uns!
I'm not talking about one being as bad or worse or better than as the other. I regard this discussion as dealing with facts not opinions or presumptions
As you've said Tyrone have been accused of coaching sledging based on the fact that players are doing it on the field and that it is systematically ingrained in the culture, however there is no zero evidence of this only presumptions. In response to this I just merely pointed out that the Donegal Senior County team are the only team where there is concrete evidence of coaching sledging. And you asked for this evidence so I gave it to you.
If you are happy with Donegal coaching it, that's fine, I'm just pointing it out that there is evidence that they do it.
I see in today's Gaelic Life that Kevin Cassidy has addressed the claims that he abused Peter Harte in 2011 about Michaela's death. Some posters have accused him of hiding away from the current debate on 'sledging' but he has written a good column today.
Did you see in last weeks Gaelic Life Mark Conway takes exception to some Board Poster having a anti Tyrone campaign starting back from the U21 semifinal onwards.
Wonder who's he is referring to?
Anyone got it online to post up
Must buy it today
Who is Mark Conway?
Quote from: shawshank on May 28, 2015, 12:56:43 PM
Who is Mark Conway?
Head of Club Tyrone, was very vociferous in his opposition to the GPA.
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Quote from: shawshank on May 28, 2015, 12:56:43 PM
Who is Mark Conway?
Head of Club Tyrone, was very vociferous in his opposition to the GPA.
He sounds like one of these odious Tyrone backwoods' characters.
It's amazing how some Tyronies manage to seamlessly switch from paranoia to sledging to outrage, and sometimes managing all that in the same sentence.
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 28, 2015, 12:21:11 PM
I see in today's Gaelic Life that Kevin Cassidy has addressed the claims that he abused Peter Harte in 2011 about Michaela's death. Some posters have accused him of hiding away from the current debate on 'sledging' but he has written a good column today.
I'll read that with interest!....got a link to the article?
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 28, 2015, 12:21:11 PM
I see in today's Gaelic Life that Kevin Cassidy has addressed the claims that he abused Peter Harte in 2011 about Michaela's death. Some posters have accused him of hiding away from the current debate on 'sledging' but he has written a good column today.
I'll read that with interest!....got a link to the article?
http://gaeliclife.com/2015/05/cassidy-sledging-victim-wanted-the-whole-matter-to-go-away/
Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
This thread needs to be deleted lads - its a lose:lose situation....the lack of respect it engenders and begrudgery is mental.
everyone is as innocent or as guilty as everyone else...close it down to f**k and move on
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 05:30:20 PM
Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 05:30:20 PM
Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 05:30:20 PM
Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche. I'm pretty level headed myself, but I could see me getting rattled in a setting like that, especially as young as Harte was.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 05:30:20 PM
Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine
But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:
- Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
- He says they were coached.
- He was told to target a specific player.
- He also became very effective at it very quickly.
None of that is speculation
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 05:30:20 PM
Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine
But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:
- Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
- He says they were coached.
- He was told to target a specific player.
- He also became very effective at it very quickly.
None of that is speculation
And for all we know a team mate played against Harte underage and observed him and told Cassidy. Or someone spoke to a friend from Tyrone or another county team.
One can see why McGuinness would be justifiably upset with Bogue.
Cassidy is 100% right about the way these things can grow legs, usually on the back of some spoofer who likes to let on he has the inside track telling other lads in the pub what REALLY happened.
The same thing happened with Martin O'Connell in '96 when he had scurrilous accusations levelled against him in the aftermath of the All-Ireland final.
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Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine
But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:
- Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
- He says they were coached.
- He was told to target a specific player.
- He also became very effective at it very quickly.
None of that is speculation
And for all we know a team mate played against Harte underage and observed him and told Cassidy. Or someone spoke to a friend from Tyrone or another county team.
One can see why McGuinness would be justifiably upset with Bogue.
Ok, So research and premeditation into opponents you feel you could add to that as well? I'll have to stop you tho cos that's a presumption, there is no evidence for that.
Of course JMG was upset, the cat was very nearly outta the bag, so considering his personality type u can't blame him. Have you seen those clips of the rage Hilter flew into when he realised the game was up?
Don't feel sorry for Bogue tho, but then can you imagine the hairdryer treatment big Durcan got last September.....
Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2015, 08:58:13 PM
Cassidy is 100% right about the way these things can grow legs, usually on the back of some spoofer who likes to let on he has the inside track telling other lads in the pub what REALLY happened.
The same thing happened with Martin O'Connell in '96 when he had scurrilous accusations levelled against him in the aftermath of the All-Ireland final.
Except all the evidence anyone needed was there on the TV, he held down Brian Dooher's head and stamped on it. Have you not seen it yet?
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 28, 2015, 05:30:20 PM
Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine
But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:
- Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
- He says they were coached.
- He was told to target a specific player.
- He also became very effective at it very quickly.
None of that is speculation
And for all we know a team mate played against Harte underage and observed him and told Cassidy. Or someone spoke to a friend from Tyrone or another county team.
One can see why McGuinness would be justifiably upset with Bogue.
Jimmy was upset because the truth came out
It reminds me of that great scene from one of my favourite movies A few good men.
The colonel says...And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way.
McGuinness and Harte are two men in my eyes who have a lot in common with Col Jessup.
You want them on your side as they know how to get the job done. They walk the walk and don't just talk the talk like many pundits.
Brian Cody is another who knows what is needed to win no matter what.
So I can see Jim's anger with Cassidy who I believe persuaded him to come back into the squad after he was gonna leave and won him an AI medal having come from nowhere.
Then like Kaffee(Cruise) he then leaks very sensitive details and questions some of the things that brought them to the Silver Chalice.
Is Geezer the next to have these attributes?
You need a very loyal army though and some good attacking weapons.
Cass never won an AI.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2015, 10:51:49 PM
It reminds me of that great scene from one of my favourite movies A few good men.
The colonel says...And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way.
McGuinness and Harte are two men in my eyes who have a lot in common with Col Jessup.
You want them on your side as they know how to get the job done. They walk the walk and don't just talk the talk like many pundits.
Brian Cody is another who knows what is needed to win no matter what.
So I can see Jim's anger with Cassidy who I believe persuaded him to come back into the squad after he was gonna leave and won him an AI medal having come from nowhere.
Then like Kaffee(Cruise) he then leaks very sensitive details and questions some of the things that brought them to the Silver Chalice.
Is Geezer the next to have these attributes?
You need a very loyal army though and some good attacking weapons.
Jim didn't win them anything because he never kicked a ball. Only Jim's ego would dictate a response like that
Good point Indi. You got me there.
I forgot he didn't play those years.
They just got lucky and even Tommy Lyons would have won Sam with that amazing Donegal team.
Same way Jim Gavin wasn't to blame last year for the Donegal defeat. He wasn't playing either.
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Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine
But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:
- Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
- He says they were coached.
- He was told to target a specific player.
- He also became very effective at it very quickly.
None of that is speculation
And for all we know a team mate played against Harte underage and observed him and told Cassidy. Or someone spoke to a friend from Tyrone or another county team.
One can see why McGuinness would be justifiably upset with Bogue.
Ok, So research and premeditation into opponents you feel you could add to that as well? I'll have to stop you tho cos that's a presumption, there is no evidence for that.
Of course JMG was upset, the cat was very nearly outta the bag, so considering his personality type u can't blame him. Have you seen those clips of the rage Hilter flew into when he realised the game was up?
Don't feel sorry for Bogue tho, but then can you imagine the hairdryer treatment big Durcan got last September.....
So now its a big deal because Cassidy was tipped off beforehand that Harte might get rattled if he gave him a bit of abuse? My god, won't someone think of the children, because that is unheard of! And they must have hired Columbo or Sherlock Holmes to come up with that piece of information which I'm sure came as a complete shock to everyone involved!
Have you ever set foot on a football or a soccer field?
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Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine
But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:
- Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
- He says they were coached.
- He was told to target a specific player.
- He also became very effective at it very quickly.
None of that is speculation
And for all we know a team mate played against Harte underage and observed him and told Cassidy. Or someone spoke to a friend from Tyrone or another county team.
One can see why McGuinness would be justifiably upset with Bogue.
Ok, So research and premeditation into opponents you feel you could add to that as well? I'll have to stop you tho cos that's a presumption, there is no evidence for that.
Of course JMG was upset, the cat was very nearly outta the bag, so considering his personality type u can't blame him. Have you seen those clips of the rage Hilter flew into when he realised the game was up?
Don't feel sorry for Bogue tho, but then can you imagine the hairdryer treatment big Durcan got last September.....
So now its a big deal because Cassidy was tipped off beforehand that Harte might get rattled if he gave him a bit of abuse? My god, won't someone think of the children, because that is unheard of! And they must have hired Columbo or Sherlock Holmes to come up with that piece of information which I'm sure came as a complete shock to everyone involved!
Have you ever set foot on a football or a soccer field?
Ehh? Big deal? Who said it was a big deal?
I'm just trying to establish facts here that have actual evidence to back them up. It was you that suggested it happened and I excluded it as it is only a presumption that you made.
Although you seem fierce keen to express your opinion throughout this so go on, lets hear it again...
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2015, 12:35:17 AM
Good point Indi. You got me there.
I forgot he didn't play those years.
They just got lucky and even Tommy Lyons would have won Sam with that amazing Donegal team.
Same way Jim Gavin wasn't to blame last year for the Donegal defeat. He wasn't playing either.
Indiana knows his stuff. Just like the way he suggested that the brilliance of Stevie O'Neill was the only reason Tyrone beat Dublin in 2008. Contradicts his own point a bit though as Stevie never kicked a ball that day either.
Was there not some rumour that Big Sean was badly injured for that final and typical cynical cheating Tyrone got Stevie to grow his hair, learn how to dive and smile like Sean, got some plastic surgery using club Tyrone funds and was taught how to cry and whinge waving his hands in the air to look like Sean Cavanagh that day.
The lengths Tyrone go to win and AI is a disgrace and the quicker they are moved to the Heineken cup the better for the rest of us purists.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65335000/jpg/_65335520_seancavanagh.jpg)
Quote from: INDIANA on May 28, 2015, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2015, 10:51:49 PM
It reminds me of that great scene from one of my favourite movies A few good men.
The colonel says...And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way.
McGuinness and Harte are two men in my eyes who have a lot in common with Col Jessup.
You want them on your side as they know how to get the job done. They walk the walk and don't just talk the talk like many pundits.
Brian Cody is another who knows what is needed to win no matter what.
So I can see Jim's anger with Cassidy who I believe persuaded him to come back into the squad after he was gonna leave and won him an AI medal having come from nowhere.
Then like Kaffee(Cruise) he then leaks very sensitive details and questions some of the things that brought them to the Silver Chalice.
Is Geezer the next to have these attributes?
You need a very loyal army though and some good attacking weapons.
Jim didn't win them anything because he never kicked a ball. Only Jim's ego would dictate a response like that
Jesus Indiana, would you ever give it a rest.
I understand that last August was a traumatic experience for you, but honestly there comes a time & you have to move on.
I know a man who is very good at changing mental attitudes, McGuinness is his name, I can get you a phone number if you want.
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Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine
But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:
- Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
- He says they were coached.
- He was told to target a specific player.
- He also became very effective at it very quickly.
None of that is speculation
And for all we know a team mate played against Harte underage and observed him and told Cassidy. Or someone spoke to a friend from Tyrone or another county team.
One can see why McGuinness would be justifiably upset with Bogue.
Ok, So research and premeditation into opponents you feel you could add to that as well? I'll have to stop you tho cos that's a presumption, there is no evidence for that.
Of course JMG was upset, the cat was very nearly outta the bag, so considering his personality type u can't blame him. Have you seen those clips of the rage Hilter flew into when he realised the game was up? Don't feel sorry for Bogue tho, but then can you imagine the hairdryer treatment big Durcan got last September.....
Reminds me of the time in Father Ted when the wee thought balloons of reality and dreams were interchangeable in Dougal's head.
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Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine
But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:
- Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
- He says they were coached.
- He was told to target a specific player.
- He also became very effective at it very quickly.
None of that is speculation
And for all we know a team mate played against Harte underage and observed him and told Cassidy. Or someone spoke to a friend from Tyrone or another county team.
One can see why McGuinness would be justifiably upset with Bogue.
Ok, So research and premeditation into opponents you feel you could add to that as well? I'll have to stop you tho cos that's a presumption, there is no evidence for that.
Of course JMG was upset, the cat was very nearly outta the bag, so considering his personality type u can't blame him. Have you seen those clips of the rage Hilter flew into when he realised the game was up?
Don't feel sorry for Bogue tho, but then can you imagine the hairdryer treatment big Durcan got last September.....
So now its a big deal because Cassidy was tipped off beforehand that Harte might get rattled if he gave him a bit of abuse? My god, won't someone think of the children, because that is unheard of! And they must have hired Columbo or Sherlock Holmes to come up with that piece of information which I'm sure came as a complete shock to everyone involved!
Have you ever set foot on a football or a soccer field?
Ehh? Big deal? Who said it was a big deal?
I'm just trying to establish facts here that have actual evidence to back them up. It was you that suggested it happened and I excluded it as it is only a presumption that you made.
Although you seem fierce keen to express your opinion throughout this so go on, lets hear it again...
If its not a big deal, what's with the Hitler references and all the rest? You're the one who said "looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh ? ??" and making implications that it was McGuinness (unless you're really going to argue that "resident expert at getting inside sportmens' head" wasn't him?). Now all of a sudden, you're not one for speculating?
OK then omaghjoe, you win the "debate".
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2015, 12:35:17 AM
Good point Indi. You got me there.
I forgot he didn't play those years.
They just got lucky and even Tommy Lyons would have won Sam with that amazing Donegal team.
Same way Jim Gavin wasn't to blame last year for the Donegal defeat. He wasn't playing either.
Precisely a lot of these managers like Mc Guinness for example have egos so big they'd claim it was all about them. And in Jim's case that's absolutely right.
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It reminds me of that great scene from one of my favourite movies A few good men.
The colonel says...And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way.
McGuinness and Harte are two men in my eyes who have a lot in common with Col Jessup.
You want them on your side as they know how to get the job done. They walk the walk and don't just talk the talk like many pundits.
Brian Cody is another who knows what is needed to win no matter what.
So I can see Jim's anger with Cassidy who I believe persuaded him to come back into the squad after he was gonna leave and won him an AI medal having come from nowhere.
Then like Kaffee(Cruise) he then leaks very sensitive details and questions some of the things that brought them to the Silver Chalice.
Is Geezer the next to have these attributes?
You need a very loyal army though and some good attacking weapons.
Jim didn't win them anything because he never kicked a ball. Only Jim's ego would dictate a response like that
Jesus Indiana, would you ever give it a rest.
I understand that last August was a traumatic experience for you, but honestly there comes a time & you have to move on.
I know a man who is very good at changing mental attitudes, McGuinness is his name, I can get you a phone number if you want.
Won a reasonable standard all Ireland in my view with a fitness level and a tackle count .
Imploded in 2013 and unable to beat Kerry at their own game in 2014.
Similar to loughnane in Clare history will be kind to Jim.
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Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2015, 12:35:17 AM
Good point Indi. You got me there.
I forgot he didn't play those years.
They just got lucky and even Tommy Lyons would have won Sam with that amazing Donegal team.
Same way Jim Gavin wasn't to blame last year for the Donegal defeat. He wasn't playing either.
Precisely a lot of these managers like Mc Guinness for example have egos so big they'd claim it was all about them. And in Jim's case that's absolutely right.
I'd reread Fuzz's post.
I've yet to hear a manager even remotely take credit for a major win / success. Its always about the players and their drive / commitment / sacrifice etc...., unless you're privy to these managers conversations at home with their wives in the privacy of their own home when they may say different (you prob are though)
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 29, 2015, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2015, 12:35:17 AM
Good point Indi. You got me there.
I forgot he didn't play those years.
They just got lucky and even Tommy Lyons would have won Sam with that amazing Donegal team.
Same way Jim Gavin wasn't to blame last year for the Donegal defeat. He wasn't playing either.
Precisely a lot of these managers like Mc Guinness for example have egos so big they'd claim it was all about them. And in Jim's case that's absolutely right.
I'd reread Fuzz's post.
I've yet to hear a manager even remotely take credit for a major win / success. Its always about the players and their drive / commitment / sacrifice etc...., unless you're privy to these managers conversations at home with their wives in the privacy of their own home when they may say different (you prob are though)
I've heard plenty. You need to listen more to what they say. It's all about them
So where have we got to with this whole sledging debate then? Which managers do you believe trained it into their players??
Apparently its always been there in the Tyrone set up but Mickey brought back Peter Donnelly as he had the tools to take it to a whole new level. Look how distraught the lad in the background is after 30 mins with that animal Justy McMahon. Poor Tommy Walshe had to go to the other side of the world to get away from him such was the intimidation.
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Darragh O'Sé's sledging update from Irish Times
So that's it, I suppose? No more sledging. All sorted. The Cavan v Monaghan game on Sunday passed by without any incident. Nothing on camera, no complaints from either side. All sweetness and light. Ulster football for altar boys.
I doubt it somehow. What that looked like to me on Sunday was a classroom that is after having the riot act read to it by the teacher. The law is laid down. All the messing stops, but only for a while. The teacher gets a good five or 10 minutes of silence.
In that scenario, you don't want to be the first fella caught. You don't mind being the second or third fella because the heat is gone by then and it's all back to normal. The first lad will get the pasting from the teacher. After that, it's a free-for-all
The sledging is just at that five-to-10-minute period right now. The whole class knows not to step out of line just for the minute. Too many eyes, too many ears. But the summer is long and it'll all start up again before you know it. Nothing surer.
I enjoyed that game on Sunday. Monaghan try to play a bit of football, whereas Cavan are more limited and one-dimensional. There's no go-to guy for them – basically, there's no Conor McManus to produce a few magic points out of nowhere. They attack in an ad-hoc kind of way, improvising, hoping, depending on wing-backs to kick points with the outside of the boot from 50 yards to give them a bit of momentum.
But that will only get them so far.
Bigger team with more options
The best teams have the best options. Monaghan had an option that Cavan didn't. McManus was able to give them something that Cavan couldn't match. As they go forward through the summer, they're likely to come up against a bigger team with more options and McManus alone won't be enough for them.
There were two aspects of the game I found really interesting – the blanket defences and the goalkeepers. Blanket defences are with us now and will be with us into the future. The best are the ones that become more refined and are used as springboards for wing backs and corner backs to bomb forward. Those are the ones we will see in Croke Park in August.
The best use of that system depends on players covering for each other. One goes up, another drops into his space to cover it off. It's move and cover, slot in and slot out. And unless you're doing it automatically, you will lose your shape and if the opposition is patient enough and observant enough, they will hurt you.
To execute the blanket system properly, you need a team full of guys who play without emotion. They don't get rushes of blood to the head and start trying mad individual stuff. They buy into the system and they trust it. Total faith is the key.
One point that Monaghan scored at the start of the second half was fascinating, I thought. Karl O'Connell sprinted up from wing back straight from the throw-in. It was a brilliant burst of pace and power. He left his own man for dead and broke through the Cavan defence.
He did it at the start of the first half as well, so it was obviously no accident. Those were the two times in the whole game where Cavan would only have six defenders back. So he gave it everything he had both times.
I don't know if people properly realise what it feels like to go on a lung-bursting run like that on a big championship afternoon. The place is buzzing, the crowd is roaring, the temperature is high. Everything is heightened.
I guarantee you that if you brought young O'Connell back there the following day and timed him making the same run from where he got the ball to where he scored his point, he would be slower doing it no matter how much effort he put in. The simple reason is that the adrenaline won't be the same. The urgency can't be replicated. Atmosphere has an effect.
It was an excellent score. I even loved the way he threw himself to the ground to save himself getting decorated by the goalkeeper at the end. He was going at such a pace that he could have been poleaxed very easily with no real price to the goalkeeper, so he dived full-length and used the fact that he had his hands out in front of him anyway to spare him as he hit the deck.
But the point itself isn't what really grabbed me. It was what O'Connell did in the aftermath of it. Go back and watch it again – Cavan take the kick-out but he doesn't so much as lift his head to see where it went. He is part of a system and the whereabouts of the kick-out isn't his concern.
I watched him the whole way back because the camera zoomed out and you could see him at the bottom of the screen. He was looking at the ground for the most part, running in a straight line back to his own 45. The game was going on but he wasn't a part of it. All that was on his mind was to get back, get set, get in position.
The ball could have whizzed over his head and he wouldn't have known a thing about it. All it was about for him was to get his body back there. He didn't even have to do much when he got there – the important thing was that by the time Cavan worked the ball far enough up the pitch, his white shirt could be seen in position.
It's like going to a funeral. You don't necessarily have to go and shake everybody's hand when you're there – as long as you're seen to be there, it's usually enough.
O'Connell's white jersey being back in the vicinity of the wing-back position fulfilled his role after scoring the point. It cut off options for Cavan and marked off that patch of grass as a no-go area.
This is what the blanket is all about. Cover off angles so that the opposition has to go to a second or third or fourth option with the ball. And playing against a team like Cavan where those options are limited, you should eventually break them down. O'Connell didn't have to make a tackle but he'd done his job.
And in the best blanket systems, the key is the counterattack. Get the bodies back to close off the options, make them run into blind alleys, cut them off, turn them over and break at pace. Cavan have a decent blanket defence but they haven't got it right in terms of being able to counterattack.
There is one very noticeable side-effect, however. Defenders do less and less defending these days. When the system is based on numbers, it's hard to make people accountable. If something is everybody's job, then it's nobody's job.
I thought it was very significant on Sunday after McManus scored his first point from play that his marker Feargal Flanagan turned around and gave out to his team-mates. Flanagan had a very good game, all in all. When you're playing on someone of McManus's quality, you're going to get skinned once in a while.
But I just thought it was interesting that he would turn and berate his team-mates after getting done like that. His complaint seemed to be, "Ah here, am I expected to mark this man on my own?"
When you have a blanket defence, that's a two-man job at least. That's where we are now – defenders getting annoyed when they're left on their own with their man. Safety in numbers, with less and less accountability.
The game is changing all the time and the demands we place on the different players in the different positions are changing with it. Take the Cavan goalkeeper on Sunday, Ray Galligan. He was drafted in under the cover of darkness – never played a game in goal before, an outfield player thrown into his first ever championship game in an alien position.
Cavan obviously felt they could do this because they know that their blanket defence won't give up too many goal chances. The deal with goalkeepers was always very straightforward – save the easy ones, do your best with the hard ones and make sure and kick the ball good and far out the field. If we're doing well on the left, keep kicking left. If we're doing well on the right, keep kicking right.
It's all different now. Cavan picked him the way the Aussies used pick their goalkeeper in the Compromise Rules. Not just the Aussies, actually. I remember one year we picked Niall Buckley there for Ireland because he could pick out a pass over 50 or 60 yards into your mouth. Whether he could stop a shot or not didn't come into it.
Under pressure
Same with my man on Sunday. He was there for kick-outs and for long-range frees. He's obviously a very good kicker of a ball but the ability to do it isn't the issue. The ability to do it under pressure is what matters. You need to keep your nerve above all else.
Monaghan sniffed out very quickly that the Cavan goalie was new to this. They got in his eyeline and waved their hands around and put him off. They covered off the quick kick-outs and made him change his mind – once, twice, three times a lady.
There was a perfect incident for them around the 20th minute. Kieran Hughes ran in until he was about six yards away from the ball and then retreated. The ref whistled at him, Hughes held his hand up. Sorry, ref. My fault, ref. Won't happen again.
Meanwhile, Galligan went up and came back, up and back. Monaghan forwards spilt between defenders, changing his mind for him. Three seconds, four seconds, five seconds. The crowd started to get on his back. Kick it out! Kick it out!
You could see him thinking he was in trouble here, maybe the ref would come in and hop the ball. Six seconds, seven. Kick it out! He kicked it out, anywhere will do. Blaze it out long, get rid of it. It went straight into the arms of Darren Hughes.
When the short kick-out is taken out of your armoury, you get flustered and you find yourself in a panic. Look at Paul Durcan in the All-Ireland final. One of the best kickers in the game and all of a sudden his mind is scrambled and suddenly the ball is in the net.
The game now is all doing your homework and trusting your system. Those who do it best will be more and more obvious as the summer goes along.
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2015, 08:58:13 PM
Cassidy is 100% right about the way these things can grow legs, usually on the back of some spoofer who likes to let on he has the inside track telling other lads in the pub what REALLY happened.
The same thing happened with Martin O'Connell in '96 when he had scurrilous accusations levelled against him in the aftermath of the All-Ireland final.
Someone like Indiana then.
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Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???
Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?
IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....
Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???
Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?
Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads
I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.
But go ahead and tell us.
And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.
I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine
But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:
- Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
- He says they were coached.
- He was told to target a specific player.
- He also became very effective at it very quickly.
None of that is speculation
And for all we know a team mate played against Harte underage and observed him and told Cassidy. Or someone spoke to a friend from Tyrone or another county team.
One can see why McGuinness would be justifiably upset with Bogue.
Ok, So research and premeditation into opponents you feel you could add to that as well? I'll have to stop you tho cos that's a presumption, there is no evidence for that.
Of course JMG was upset, the cat was very nearly outta the bag, so considering his personality type u can't blame him. Have you seen those clips of the rage Hilter flew into when he realised the game was up?
Don't feel sorry for Bogue tho, but then can you imagine the hairdryer treatment big Durcan got last September.....
So now its a big deal because Cassidy was tipped off beforehand that Harte might get rattled if he gave him a bit of abuse? My god, won't someone think of the children, because that is unheard of! And they must have hired Columbo or Sherlock Holmes to come up with that piece of information which I'm sure came as a complete shock to everyone involved!
Have you ever set foot on a football or a soccer field?
Ehh? Big deal? Who said it was a big deal?
I'm just trying to establish facts here that have actual evidence to back them up. It was you that suggested it happened and I excluded it as it is only a presumption that you made.
Although you seem fierce keen to express your opinion throughout this so go on, lets hear it again...
If its not a big deal, what's with the Hitler references and all the rest? You're the one who said "looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh ? ??" and making implications that it was McGuinness (unless you're really going to argue that "resident expert at getting inside sportmens' head" wasn't him?). Now all of a sudden, you're not one for speculating?
OK then omaghjoe, you win the "debate".
Debate? there is no debate we are dealing with facts that's what you wanted at the outset wasnt it?
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Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2015, 12:35:17 AM
Good point Indi. You got me there.
I forgot he didn't play those years.
They just got lucky and even Tommy Lyons would have won Sam with that amazing Donegal team.
Same way Jim Gavin wasn't to blame last year for the Donegal defeat. He wasn't playing either.
Precisely a lot of these managers like Mc Guinness for example have egos so big they'd claim it was all about them. And in Jim's case that's absolutely right.
I'd reread Fuzz's post.
I've yet to hear a manager even remotely take credit for a major win / success. Its always about the players and their drive / commitment / sacrifice etc...., unless you're privy to these managers conversations at home with their wives in the privacy of their own home when they may say different (you prob are though)
I've heard plenty. You need to listen more to what they say. It's all about them
I take it this includes Jim Gavin as well?
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Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2015, 08:58:13 PM
Cassidy is 100% right about the way these things can grow legs, usually on the back of some spoofer who likes to let on he has the inside track telling other lads in the pub what REALLY happened.
The same thing happened with Martin O'Connell in '96 when he had scurrilous accusations levelled against him in the aftermath of the All-Ireland final.
Except all the evidence anyone needed was there on the TV, he held down Brian Dooher's head and stamped on it. Have you not seen it yet?
'in the aftermath of THE ALL IRELAND
FINAL'
Quote from: DermyTDredi on May 28, 2015, 05:33:44 PM
This thread needs to be deleted lads - its a lose:lose situation....the lack of respect it engenders and begrudgery is mental.
everyone is as innocent or as guilty as everyone else...close it down to f**k and move on
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I promise I won't tell anyone.
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If true I hope the culprit gets hammered for it.
Whilst I don't agree with Bonnars running to the media about it the ensuing public scrutiny (witch-hunt depending upon perspective) means that it cannot be swept under the carpet.