The Stardust Fire

Started by Il Bomber Destro, December 15, 2017, 08:19:12 AM

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Il Bomber Destro

I watched the Stardust Fire documentary during the week. Tough viewing and it's incredible the families have still not got any justice. It's incredible how little national coverage their injustice gets.

Once again, the main establishment parties have very murky dealings here. I see the FG justice minister this week quashed any hope of the families getting their justice. FF's role in this is rotten to the core as there are close links to the Butterly family and FF.

Minder

So this isn't really about the families Bomber, is it ?
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

T Fearon

Same everywhere.Ordinary people don't matter as far as the political elite are concerned.The Grenfell tower victims won't get justice either from the UK Govt.

My vivid memory up here about Stardust was Ian Paisley openly expressing heartfelt sympathy to the families.

seafoid

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 15, 2017, 08:19:12 AM
I watched the Stardust Fire documentary during the week. Tough viewing and it's incredible the families have still not got any justice. It's incredible how little national coverage their injustice gets.

Once again, the main establishment parties have very murky dealings here. I see the FG justice minister this week quashed any hope of the families getting their justice. FF's role in this is rotten to the core as there are close links to the Butterly family and FF.
It is desperate.
The same goes for those killed in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings and those who died in the Whiddy Island explosion.

You could also add the attitude to Northern nationalists over the lifetime of the State.
You would expect better.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnneycool

Quote from: Minder on December 15, 2017, 08:35:54 AM
So this isn't really about the families Bomber, is it ?

It never is.

Same as those going on about Paul Quinn, Maria Cahill, Gerry McCabe and the likes

Point scoring of a pathetic nature.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Minder on December 15, 2017, 08:35:54 AM
So this isn't really about the families Bomber, is it ?

It's about the state thwarting justice.

seafoid

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/priory-hall-debacle-shows-need-for-decisive-action-1.631370

Following the 1981 Stardust disaster, the 1991 Building Control Act which introduced the Building Regulations was hailed as a significant piece of reforming legislation. But while the new regulations reflected international best practice, there was a flaw: they did not provide adequately for enforcement.
The 1991 Act gave the Minister power to introduce regulations for a series of measures relating to enforcement, but these have still not been introduced 20 years later. Two factors have contributed: (1) the determination of the Department of the Environment not to permit State officials to take responsibility, and potential future liability, for building enforcement inspections, and: (2) the unwillingness of the building industry to have statutory inspections imposed, on "efficiency" grounds.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Avondhu star

Quote from: T Fearon on December 15, 2017, 08:36:46 AM
Same everywhere.Ordinary people don't matter as far as the political elite are concerned.The Grenfell tower victims won't get justice either from the UK Govt.

My vivid memory up here about Stardust was Ian Paisley openly expressing heartfelt sympathy to the families.

This is good therapy for you and reduces your risk of self harming so carry on.
Have you any views on the c**k Robin murder?
I think the sparrow is being set up by free state establishment figures
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2017, 09:43:21 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/priory-hall-debacle-shows-need-for-decisive-action-1.631370

Following the 1981 Stardust disaster, the 1991 Building Control Act which introduced the Building Regulations was hailed as a significant piece of reforming legislation. But while the new regulations reflected international best practice, there was a flaw: they did not provide adequately for enforcement.
The 1991 Act gave the Minister power to introduce regulations for a series of measures relating to enforcement, but these have still not been introduced 20 years later. Two factors have contributed: (1) the determination of the Department of the Environment not to permit State officials to take responsibility, and potential future liability, for building enforcement inspections, and: (2) the unwillingness of the building industry to have statutory inspections imposed, on "efficiency" grounds.

The Free State really has been an abhorrent failure when you look at the deeds of the establishment parties of the 26. The partition of the island has been an unmitigated failure on both sides of the border.

It's startling the way the masses continue to vote in two corrupt right wing parties ever since its inception.

Syferus


Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Syferus on December 15, 2017, 07:33:57 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 15, 2017, 08:35:54 AM
So this isn't really about the families Bomber, is it ?

+1

Quelle surprise, the forum's resident brownshirt sees nothing wrong with a state-aided obstruction of justice for 48 innocent lives.

Rossfan

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 15, 2017, 07:32:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2017, 09:43:21 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/priory-hall-debacle-shows-need-for-decisive-action-1.631370

Following the 1981 Stardust disaster, the 1991 Building Control Act which introduced the Building Regulations was hailed as a significant piece of reforming legislation. But while the new regulations reflected international best practice, there was a flaw: they did not provide adequately for enforcement.
The 1991 Act gave the Minister power to introduce regulations for a series of measures relating to enforcement, but these have still not been introduced 20 years later. Two factors have contributed: (1) the determination of the Department of the Environment not to permit State officials to take responsibility, and potential future liability, for building enforcement inspections, and: (2) the unwillingness of the building industry to have statutory inspections imposed, on "efficiency" grounds.

The Free State really has been an abhorrent failure when you look at the deeds of the establishment parties of the 26. The partition of the island has been an unmitigated failure on both sides of the border.

It's startling the way the masses continue to vote in two corrupt right wing parties ever since its inception.
What a pity they wouldn't listen to your great mind and vote Provo SF.
Then we'd all be in a corruption free honourable zone where no Politician would tell a lie or own Holiday homes etc etc.
Also could you point out where the "State is obstruciting Justice" in the Stardust case.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Rossfan on December 15, 2017, 09:32:05 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 15, 2017, 07:32:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2017, 09:43:21 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/priory-hall-debacle-shows-need-for-decisive-action-1.631370

Following the 1981 Stardust disaster, the 1991 Building Control Act which introduced the Building Regulations was hailed as a significant piece of reforming legislation. But while the new regulations reflected international best practice, there was a flaw: they did not provide adequately for enforcement.
The 1991 Act gave the Minister power to introduce regulations for a series of measures relating to enforcement, but these have still not been introduced 20 years later. Two factors have contributed: (1) the determination of the Department of the Environment not to permit State officials to take responsibility, and potential future liability, for building enforcement inspections, and: (2) the unwillingness of the building industry to have statutory inspections imposed, on "efficiency" grounds.

The Free State really has been an abhorrent failure when you look at the deeds of the establishment parties of the 26. The partition of the island has been an unmitigated failure on both sides of the border.

It's startling the way the masses continue to vote in two corrupt right wing parties ever since its inception.
What a pity they wouldn't listen to your great mind and vote Provo SF.
Then we'd all be in a corruption free honourable zone where no Politician would tell a lie or own Holiday homes etc etc.
Also could you point out where the "State is obstruciting Justice" in the Stardust case.

By not opening up a new inquiry. We've found out in recent weeks how compromised the department of justice is down south. The state have shown zero interest in getting justice for the Stardust families, the fact that the club owner were wealthy donors to FF is just a coincidence though?

Shamrock Shore

Hang on - wasn't the judge in the latest look at the facts not Pat McCartan - a former Workers Party TD?

He found no new evidence to open a new enquiry. In fact he tore strips off the report given to him basically calling it an amateur load of nonsense

Has he an agenda? Would he now be part of the Establishment cover-up, if there is one?

I have great sympathy for the families but where are they going with this? Do they even have the celebrity spokespeople now like Christy Moore?

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Shamrock Shore on December 16, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
Hang on - wasn't the judge in the latest look at the facts not Pat McCartan - a former Workers Party TD?

He found no new evidence to open a new enquiry. In fact he tore strips off the report given to him basically calling it an amateur load of nonsense

Has he an agenda? Would he now be part of the Establishment cover-up, if there is one?

I have great sympathy for the families but where are they going with this? Do they even have the celebrity spokespeople now like Christy Moore?

Eoghan Harris was a former Workers Party members. I certainty think the judge has an agenda. I would question the integrity of most high court judges in the country given how we've seen lately the level of political influence involved. Do you think they should just drop it and allow the state to wipe their hands clean of the murky dirt on their hands. Best of luck to them.

It seems a sizable cohort of free staters are happy to see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.