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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2017, 09:24:29 PM »
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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2017, 10:43:57 PM »
Did the psni not send a reminder out the other day reminding us all that an unwanted kiss under the mistletoe is rape?

I hope this was a spoof! I dont think even they could be that stupid!
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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2017, 10:47:30 PM »
Did the psni not send a reminder out the other day reminding us all that an unwanted kiss under the mistletoe is rape?

I hope this was a spoof! I dont think even they could be that stupid!

No. They said:

Are you gearing up for a festive night out? We want you all to have a good night but please be mindful of your personal safety.
If you are drinking, drink in moderation and if you meet that special someone tonight under the mistletoe remember that sex without consent is a crime.
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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2017, 11:16:44 PM »
Gay Byrne?  I blame Gay.

He groped women in a lecherous manner, on camera live on the late late show. He made it seem par for the course, he was an RTE/Irish thermidor.

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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2018, 05:29:03 PM »
Craig McLachlan aka Henry Ramsey from Neighbours. Three women accusers, he's denying it.

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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2018, 10:56:43 AM »
Craig McLachlan aka Henry Ramsey from Neighbours. Three women accusers, he's denying it.

Again, probably no evidence either.
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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2018, 02:03:51 PM »
Craig McLachlan aka Henry Ramsey from Neighbours. Three women accusers, he's denying it.

Again, probably no evidence either.
What's the basis for your probability?
3 witnesses is good evidence.
One witness statement might be weak but 3 witness statements are certainly not weak.

ABC news report Two of them made complaints at the time to management. There is proof that they complained at the time  "emails, texts, doctor's referral" "other members of the cast and band can confirm  all this"
The investigation is very thorough by both ABC and  Sidney Morning Herald

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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2018, 02:08:50 PM »
Craig McLachlan aka Henry Ramsey from Neighbours. Three women accusers, he's denying it.

Again, probably no evidence either.
What's the basis for your probability?
3 witnesses is good evidence.
One witness statement might be weak but 3 witness statements are certainly not weak.

ABC news report Two of them made complaints at the time to management. There is proof that they complained at the time  "emails, texts, doctor's referral" "other members of the cast and band can confirm  all this"
The investigation is very thorough by both ABC and  Sidney Morning Herald

So with all that evidence and statements and doctor referrals how did he get away with it? strange system
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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2018, 02:20:54 PM »
Craig McLachlan aka Henry Ramsey from Neighbours. Three women accusers, he's denying it.

Again, probably no evidence either.
What's the basis for your probability?
3 witnesses is good evidence.
One witness statement might be weak but 3 witness statements are certainly not weak.

ABC news report Two of them made complaints at the time to management. There is proof that they complained at the time  "emails, texts, doctor's referral" "other members of the cast and band can confirm  all this"
The investigation is very thorough by both ABC and  Sidney Morning Herald

So with all that evidence and statements and doctor referrals how did he get away with it? strange system
All that evidence was only pieced together in December when the 3 women made their complaint official, going to their union, lawyers and then police. You would have to read the newspaper accounts to have an idea how he managed to get way with that behavior before that time.

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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2018, 04:59:42 PM »
France's most revered actress, Catherine Deneuve, hit out Tuesday at a new "puritanism" sparked by sexual harassment scandals, declaring that men should be "free to hit on" women.

She was one of around 100 French women writers, performers and academics who wrote an open letter deploring the wave of "denunciations" that has followed claims that Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted and harassed women over decades.

They called it a "witch-hunt" that they feel threatens sexual freedom.

"Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or cack-handedly, is not -- nor is being gentlemanly a macho attack," said the letter published in the daily Le Monde.

"Men have been punished summarily, forced out of their jobs when all they did was touch someone's knee or try to steal a kiss," said the letter, which was also signed by Catherine Millet, author of the hugely explicit 2002 memoir, "The Sexual Life of Catherine M.".

Men had been dragged through the mud, they argued, for "talking about intimate subjects during professional dinners or for sending sexually-charged messages to women who did not return their attentions."

'#MeToo witch-hunt'

The letter attacked feminist social media campaigns like #MeToo and its French equivalent #Balancetonporc (Call out your pig) for unleashing this "puritanical... wave of purification".

It claimed that "legitimate and necessary protest against the sexual violence that women are subject to, particularly in their professional lives", had turned into a witch-hunt.

"What began as freeing women up to speak has today turned into the opposite -- we intimidate people into speaking 'correctly', shout down those who don't fall into line, and those women who refused to bend" to the new realities "are regarded as complicit and traitors."

It also helped foster "this Victorian idea that women were mere children who had to be protected," the letter argued.

Some women who were strong enough to demand equal pay, it claimed, would "not be traumatised forever by a fondler on the metro", even if it is a crime, preferring to see it as a "non-event".

The signatories -- which included a porn star-turned-agony aunt -- claimed they were defending sexual freedom, for which "the liberty to seduce and importune was essential."

Oscar-nominated Deneuve, 74, is best known internationally for playing a bored housewife who spends her afternoons as a prostitute in Luis Bunuel classic 1967 film "Belle de Jour".

Deneuve has made no secret of her annoyance at social media campaigns to shame men accused of harassing women.

"I don't think it is the right method to change things, it is excessive," she said last year, referring to the #MeToo hashtag. "After 'Calling out your pig' what are we going to have, 'Call out your whore?'" she said.

"Instead of helping women, this frenzy to send these (male chauvinist) 'pigs' to the abattoir actually helps the enemies of sexual liberty -- religious extremists and the worst sort of reactionaries," the collective of women who signed the letter said.

"As women we do not recognise ourselves in this feminism, which beyond denouncing the abuse of power, takes on a hatred of men and of sexuality."

They insisted that women were "sufficiently aware that the sexual urge is by its nature wild and aggressive. But we are also clear-eyed enough not to confuse an awkward attempt to pick someone up with a sexual attack."

The spectacle of men being forced into "public confessions... and having to rack their brains and apologise for 'inappropriate behaviour' that might have happened 10, 20 or 30 years before... recalled totalitarian societies," the letter went on.

This "puritan wave" was already bringing censorship in its wake, the women insisted, claiming that some of them had already been asked to make the male characters in their writing "less sexist", and told to tone down certain scenes to "better show the trauma suffered by female characters".

Deneuve sparked an outcry last March for her fulsome support of French-based director Roman Polanski, who is still wanted in the United States for the statutory rape of a 13-year-old girl in 1977.

While his victim Samantha Geimer wants the case dropped so she can get on with her life, Deneuve told French television that "she always found the word 'rape' excessive" in the circumstances.

The French broadcasting watchdog later called her comments "retrograde".

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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2018, 05:34:06 PM »
France's most revered actress, Catherine Deneuve, hit out Tuesday at a new "puritanism" sparked by sexual harassment scandals, declaring that men should be "free to hit on" women.

She was one of around 100 French women writers, performers and academics who wrote an open letter deploring the wave of "denunciations" that has followed claims that Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted and harassed women over decades.

They called it a "witch-hunt" that they feel threatens sexual freedom.

"Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or cack-handedly, is not -- nor is being gentlemanly a macho attack," said the letter published in the daily Le Monde.

"Men have been punished summarily, forced out of their jobs when all they did was touch someone's knee or try to steal a kiss," said the letter, which was also signed by Catherine Millet, author of the hugely explicit 2002 memoir, "The Sexual Life of Catherine M.".

Men had been dragged through the mud, they argued, for "talking about intimate subjects during professional dinners or for sending sexually-charged messages to women who did not return their attentions."

'#MeToo witch-hunt'

The letter attacked feminist social media campaigns like #MeToo and its French equivalent #Balancetonporc (Call out your pig) for unleashing this "puritanical... wave of purification".

It claimed that "legitimate and necessary protest against the sexual violence that women are subject to, particularly in their professional lives", had turned into a witch-hunt.

"What began as freeing women up to speak has today turned into the opposite -- we intimidate people into speaking 'correctly', shout down those who don't fall into line, and those women who refused to bend" to the new realities "are regarded as complicit and traitors."

It also helped foster "this Victorian idea that women were mere children who had to be protected," the letter argued.

Some women who were strong enough to demand equal pay, it claimed, would "not be traumatised forever by a fondler on the metro", even if it is a crime, preferring to see it as a "non-event".

The signatories -- which included a porn star-turned-agony aunt -- claimed they were defending sexual freedom, for which "the liberty to seduce and importune was essential."

Oscar-nominated Deneuve, 74, is best known internationally for playing a bored housewife who spends her afternoons as a prostitute in Luis Bunuel classic 1967 film "Belle de Jour".

Deneuve has made no secret of her annoyance at social media campaigns to shame men accused of harassing women.

"I don't think it is the right method to change things, it is excessive," she said last year, referring to the #MeToo hashtag. "After 'Calling out your pig' what are we going to have, 'Call out your whore?'" she said.

"Instead of helping women, this frenzy to send these (male chauvinist) 'pigs' to the abattoir actually helps the enemies of sexual liberty -- religious extremists and the worst sort of reactionaries," the collective of women who signed the letter said.

"As women we do not recognise ourselves in this feminism, which beyond denouncing the abuse of power, takes on a hatred of men and of sexuality."

They insisted that women were "sufficiently aware that the sexual urge is by its nature wild and aggressive. But we are also clear-eyed enough not to confuse an awkward attempt to pick someone up with a sexual attack."

The spectacle of men being forced into "public confessions... and having to rack their brains and apologise for 'inappropriate behaviour' that might have happened 10, 20 or 30 years before... recalled totalitarian societies," the letter went on.

This "puritan wave" was already bringing censorship in its wake, the women insisted, claiming that some of them had already been asked to make the male characters in their writing "less sexist", and told to tone down certain scenes to "better show the trauma suffered by female characters".

Deneuve sparked an outcry last March for her fulsome support of French-based director Roman Polanski, who is still wanted in the United States for the statutory rape of a 13-year-old girl in 1977.

While his victim Samantha Geimer wants the case dropped so she can get on with her life, Deneuve told French television that "she always found the word 'rape' excessive" in the circumstances.

The French broadcasting watchdog later called her comments "retrograde".

Interesting. I wonder if my awkward teenage attempts to woo the opposite sex would count as "harassment' by the modern standard.

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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2018, 06:19:35 PM »
She has some valid points but her own positions on topics like her mate Roman undercut her credibility significantly.

Not as much as Ivanka Trump retweeting Oprah’s speech at the Golden Globes, though..

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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2018, 06:42:25 PM »
Catherine's argument is simple minded and doesn't address a definition of what are acts of sexual harassment, abuse of position or sexual assault.
She should be able to discriminate between a male's persistent attempt to seduce (even crudely) and the sexual harassment of a woman, to tell difference between a male groping a woman's vagina (or other body parts), and a male on bendeth knee offering flowers, chocolates or a beer with a proposition in mind, spoken or unspoken.

The important thing is that facts are thoroughly checked before a person is outed and accused.

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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2018, 10:47:17 PM »
France's most revered actress, Catherine Deneuve, hit out Tuesday at a new "puritanism" sparked by sexual harassment scandals, declaring that men should be "free to hit on" women.

She was one of around 100 French women writers, performers and academics who wrote an open letter deploring the wave of "denunciations" that has followed claims that Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted and harassed women over decades.

They called it a "witch-hunt" that they feel threatens sexual freedom.

"Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or cack-handedly, is not -- nor is being gentlemanly a macho attack," said the letter published in the daily Le Monde.

"Men have been punished summarily, forced out of their jobs when all they did was touch someone's knee or try to steal a kiss," said the letter, which was also signed by Catherine Millet, author of the hugely explicit 2002 memoir, "The Sexual Life of Catherine M.".

Men had been dragged through the mud, they argued, for "talking about intimate subjects during professional dinners or for sending sexually-charged messages to women who did not return their attentions."

'#MeToo witch-hunt'

The letter attacked feminist social media campaigns like #MeToo and its French equivalent #Balancetonporc (Call out your pig) for unleashing this "puritanical... wave of purification".

It claimed that "legitimate and necessary protest against the sexual violence that women are subject to, particularly in their professional lives", had turned into a witch-hunt.

"What began as freeing women up to speak has today turned into the opposite -- we intimidate people into speaking 'correctly', shout down those who don't fall into line, and those women who refused to bend" to the new realities "are regarded as complicit and traitors."

It also helped foster "this Victorian idea that women were mere children who had to be protected," the letter argued.

Some women who were strong enough to demand equal pay, it claimed, would "not be traumatised forever by a fondler on the metro", even if it is a crime, preferring to see it as a "non-event".

The signatories -- which included a porn star-turned-agony aunt -- claimed they were defending sexual freedom, for which "the liberty to seduce and importune was essential."

Oscar-nominated Deneuve, 74, is best known internationally for playing a bored housewife who spends her afternoons as a prostitute in Luis Bunuel classic 1967 film "Belle de Jour".

Deneuve has made no secret of her annoyance at social media campaigns to shame men accused of harassing women.

"I don't think it is the right method to change things, it is excessive," she said last year, referring to the #MeToo hashtag. "After 'Calling out your pig' what are we going to have, 'Call out your whore?'" she said.

"Instead of helping women, this frenzy to send these (male chauvinist) 'pigs' to the abattoir actually helps the enemies of sexual liberty -- religious extremists and the worst sort of reactionaries," the collective of women who signed the letter said.

"As women we do not recognise ourselves in this feminism, which beyond denouncing the abuse of power, takes on a hatred of men and of sexuality."

They insisted that women were "sufficiently aware that the sexual urge is by its nature wild and aggressive. But we are also clear-eyed enough not to confuse an awkward attempt to pick someone up with a sexual attack."

The spectacle of men being forced into "public confessions... and having to rack their brains and apologise for 'inappropriate behaviour' that might have happened 10, 20 or 30 years before... recalled totalitarian societies," the letter went on.

This "puritan wave" was already bringing censorship in its wake, the women insisted, claiming that some of them had already been asked to make the male characters in their writing "less sexist", and told to tone down certain scenes to "better show the trauma suffered by female characters".

Deneuve sparked an outcry last March for her fulsome support of French-based director Roman Polanski, who is still wanted in the United States for the statutory rape of a 13-year-old girl in 1977.

While his victim Samantha Geimer wants the case dropped so she can get on with her life, Deneuve told French television that "she always found the word 'rape' excessive" in the circumstances.

The French broadcasting watchdog later called her comments "retrograde".

Interesting. I wonder if my awkward teenage attempts to woo the opposite sex would count as "harassment' by the modern standard.

Probably but sure that does not mean you did anything wrong, modern standards are fucked up thanks to political correctness gone wild.
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Re: Sexual harassment/assault allegations
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2018, 11:00:40 PM »
Oprah is the new darling of the left and boys a boys do they want her as the next President of the United States, the liberal artsy fartsy crowd salivated over her at an awards ceremony and boy did they congratulate themselves because they are fighting the good fight against the Weinsteins of the world and his ilk, arent they great the b**tards!

Oprah had a horrendous time as a young woman, God Bless her she went through hell and back and yet she endured and became one of the richest, most respected Americans in the world today, if she does run I hope it is for the right reasons and not just because she is rich, black and a woman, the liberal Holy Trinity for a presidential candidate.

If she does run I hope she does not have to relive her past but given the hatred between left and right in the States I fear she will have old wounds reopened, and she will be asked by Trump about her friendship with Weinstein, that will probably be her biggest issue.

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