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« Reply #11595 on: January 13, 2018, 07:22:24 PM »
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America’s population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.
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« Reply #11596 on: January 13, 2018, 07:27:21 PM »
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America’s population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

Do you live here?

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« Reply #11597 on: January 13, 2018, 09:00:46 PM »
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America’s population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

Do you live here?

What difference would it make? Anyone can follow Norm Ornstein or Jeff Flake on twitter.
Jamie Dimon says you should expect a crash once a decade.
Trump's tax cuts mean the US will have a huge deficit for the next one. It wont be able to stimulate the economy to the tune of 10% of GDP like läst time.
401ks will be hammered.
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« Reply #11598 on: January 13, 2018, 10:00:35 PM »
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America’s population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

Do you live here?

What difference would it make? Anyone can follow Norm Ornstein or Jeff Flake on twitter.
Jamie Dimon says you should expect a crash once a decade.
Trump's tax cuts mean the US will have a huge deficit for the next one. It wont be able to stimulate the economy to the tune of 10% of GDP like läst time.
401ks will be hammered.

In all seriousness do you live here?

If you lived in a deep blue state thats been run into the ground the Democrats and youll soon understand why "ordinary Joes" vote Republican.   


Remember Bill Clintons off the cuff comment during the election on Obamacare......"its the craziest thing ever. People humping it 60 hours a week, their premiums have doubled and their coverage cut in half".  That has been the reality of Obamacare for many people who already had insurance. Most of my clients are self employed people with families......in many cases their annualy premiums have gone from $15K to close to $30K and they dont have anywhere near the choices when it comes to doctors, hospitals or specialists

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« Reply #11599 on: January 13, 2018, 11:56:12 PM »
Whitey, I know your question is directed to seafoid, but I do live in the States, have done so since 1979, both in Ohio and Florida.

I'll concede that Obamacare is seriously flawed, but I also see that an original Republican program has been systematically sabotaged by Republicans from the get-go, from way before the Trump era, dooming it to clunk along more like a creaky jalopy than a well-oiled machine. However, if the GOP had worked to repair and streamline it, then the problems you identify would be near non-existent.

Think of it as if you worked till you were blue in the face tuning your brand-new car into a taxi for everyone, but some of your neighbors, red-faced with jealously,did everything they could to thwart your efforts--loosening bolts, removing spark plugs, spooning sugar into the gas tank--then turned around and wrote a letter to the local newspaper, The Breit Fox, complaining that your taxi service did not work as well as you had promised. Instead, in its place, they had a shiny new taxi, one that they failed to explain would be way too expensive for quite a few in the neighborhood. That's what's going on now.

Whitey, do you believe that everyone should be entitled to healthcare, or are you happy that you have it but millions of others are denied it?  It all boils down to this fundamental existential question.

Much has been written about the GOP's long term plan to scuttle the ACA, and being a resident of the US has no bearing on whether someone can or can not have an informed opinion about it.

Also, I'm interested in the blue states that have been run into the ground, especially since I'm now surrounded by ruby red ones--Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana--that would seem to personify the term "run into the ground," ones that rely heavily on government assistance but where the average Joe or Beauregard seems bent on voting against his own healthcare self-interest.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2018, 12:02:40 AM by Oraisteach »

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« Reply #11600 on: January 14, 2018, 12:36:26 AM »
Whitey, I know your question is directed to seafoid, but I do live in the States, have done so since 1979, both in Ohio and Florida.

I'll concede that Obamacare is seriously flawed, but I also see that an original Republican program has been systematically sabotaged by Republicans from the get-go, from way before the Trump era, dooming it to clunk along more like a creaky jalopy than a well-oiled machine. However, if the GOP had worked to repair and streamline it, then the problems you identify would be near non-existent.

Think of it as if you worked till you were blue in the face tuning your brand-new car into a taxi for everyone, but some of your neighbors, red-faced with jealously,did everything they could to thwart your efforts--loosening bolts, removing spark plugs, spooning sugar into the gas tank--then turned around and wrote a letter to the local newspaper, The Breit Fox, complaining that your taxi service did not work as well as you had promised. Instead, in its place, they had a shiny new taxi, one that they failed to explain would be way too expensive for quite a few in the neighborhood. That's what's going on now.

Whitey, do you believe that everyone should be entitled to healthcare, or are you happy that you have it but millions of others are denied it?  It all boils down to this fundamental existential question.

Much has been written about the GOP's long term plan to scuttle the ACA, and being a resident of the US has no bearing on whether someone can or can not have an informed opinion about it.

Also, I'm interested in the blue states that have been run into the ground, especially since I'm now surrounded by ruby red ones--Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana--that would seem to personify the term "run into the ground," ones that rely heavily on government assistance but where the average Joe or Beauregard seems bent on voting against his own healthcare self-interest.

I shouldn't have muddied the water interjecting healthcare into the debate. The point I was trying to make (ineloquently I might add) by quoting Bill Clinton, is that to someone looking in from Europe Obamacare must be great.  The reality on the ground however is that people who already had insurance have gotten absolutely fvcked.  Instead of their premiums coming down by $2000, their premiums have gone up by $12,000.......his question was how can anyone vote for the GOP.......my answer is if your premiums have gone from $15,000 to $27,000 and you now have to drive an hour to the doctor (instead of 10 minutes) that would probably be enough for a swing voter to switch from Blue to Red.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2018, 12:42:19 AM by whitey »

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #11601 on: January 14, 2018, 03:22:31 AM »
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America’s population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

Do you live here?

What difference would it make? Anyone can follow Norm Ornstein or Jeff Flake on twitter.
Jamie Dimon says you should expect a crash once a decade.
Trump's tax cuts mean the US will have a huge deficit for the next one. It wont be able to stimulate the economy to the tune of 10% of GDP like läst time.
401ks will be hammered.

In all seriousness do you live here?

If you lived in a deep blue state thats been run into the ground the Democrats and youll soon understand why "ordinary Joes" vote Republican.   


Remember Bill Clintons off the cuff comment during the election on Obamacare......"its the craziest thing ever. People humping it 60 hours a week, their premiums have doubled and their coverage cut in half".  That has been the reality of Obamacare for many people who already had insurance. Most of my clients are self employed people with families......in many cases their annualy premiums have gone from $15K to close to $30K and they dont have anywhere near the choices when it comes to doctors, hospitals or specialists

The US has several converging crises. One of them is healthcare 
It costs 17% of gdp and is increasing at 4% a year.


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Healthcare is one of the mechanisms by which the 1% is pauperising the US.
The GOP is an enabler. The Dems aren't much better.
The whole things is going to crash.

When life expectancy is falling things are really shitholey.

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« Reply #11602 on: January 15, 2018, 11:39:42 PM »

If you lived in a deep blue state thats been run into the ground the Democrats and youll soon understand why "ordinary Joes" vote Republican.   


The blue states are subsidizing the red states, Whitey. It's been that way for quite some time. Why do you people keep repeating the same lies over and over again?

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« Reply #11603 on: January 16, 2018, 12:01:57 AM »
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

I do. Trump has done more in a year for black America than Obama did in eight years, the economy is on the uptick, jobs are coming back to the states from abroad and confidence in the working class/middle class is up in relation to the economy.


Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America’s population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

Trump has been in office a year, and this is his fault how exactly?

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

I have seen different stats to those, but whatever suits your agenda hi!



Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

I disagree, he cares a lot more about them than you lot, unlike Hillory he actually went out and talked to the people and is continuing to do so, working class blacks are doing better as is the middle class, I can fault him for plenty but at some point one of you liberal bucks have to give the man credit for something, the fact you cant speaks volumes and should tell you why your party fucked itself in the last election!

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« Reply #11604 on: January 16, 2018, 01:09:43 AM »

If you lived in a deep blue state thats been run into the ground the Democrats and youll soon understand why "ordinary Joes" vote Republican.   


The blue states are subsidizing the red states, Whitey. It's been that way for quite some time. Why do you people keep repeating the same lies over and over again?


YYYYYYYYYYYYyAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN. (completely separate topic, but nice attempt at diversion)

Believe what you want

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

Bottom Five States

Maryland, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Illinois, and New Jersey rank in the bottom five states, largely a result of the low amounts of cash they have on hand and their large debt obligations. States that fail to address long-term drivers of debt and are not prepared for recessions will continue to rank poorly.

Each state has massive debt obligations. Each of the bottom five states exhibits serious signs of fiscal distress. Their large liabilities and low cash on hand raise serious concerns about their ability to pay bills.
Unfunded liabilities continue to be a problem. High deficits and debt obligations in the forms of unfunded pensions and healthcare benefits continue to drive each state into fiscal peril. Each holds tens, if not hundreds, of billions of dollars in unfunded liabilities—constituting a significant risk to taxpayers in both the short and the long term.
The bottom five states have changed since last year. Kentucky’s position has declined, placing it in the bottom five this year. New York is no longer in the bottom five due to improvements in budget solvency. Illinois and New Jersey improved slightly but remain in the bottom five. Massachusetts also remains in the bottom five, in slightly worse positions than last year.
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« Reply #11605 on: January 16, 2018, 10:34:26 AM »

If you lived in a deep blue state thats been run into the ground the Democrats and youll soon understand why "ordinary Joes" vote Republican.   


The blue states are subsidizing the red states, Whitey. It's been that way for quite some time. Why do you people keep repeating the same lies over and over again?


YYYYYYYYYYYYyAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN. (completely separate topic, but nice attempt at diversion)

Believe what you want

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

Bottom Five States

Maryland, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Illinois, and New Jersey rank in the bottom five states, largely a result of the low amounts of cash they have on hand and their large debt obligations. States that fail to address long-term drivers of debt and are not prepared for recessions will continue to rank poorly.

Each state has massive debt obligations. Each of the bottom five states exhibits serious signs of fiscal distress. Their large liabilities and low cash on hand raise serious concerns about their ability to pay bills.
Unfunded liabilities continue to be a problem. High deficits and debt obligations in the forms of unfunded pensions and healthcare benefits continue to drive each state into fiscal peril. Each holds tens, if not hundreds, of billions of dollars in unfunded liabilities—constituting a significant risk to taxpayers in both the short and the long term.
The bottom five states have changed since last year. Kentucky’s position has declined, placing it in the bottom five this year. New York is no longer in the bottom five due to improvements in budget solvency. Illinois and New Jersey improved slightly but remain in the bottom five. Massachusetts also remains in the bottom five, in slightly worse positions than last year.

There is far more debt than can be repaid.
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« Reply #11606 on: January 17, 2018, 12:25:23 PM »
Don given a clean bill of health by the White House Doctor

6'3 tall and weighing 239 lbs - which puts him 1 inch or 1lb short of being clinically obese.

Here is 6'3 Trump standing next to 6'1 Obama

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There's already been the birther movement - is this the start of the girther movement?

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« Reply #11607 on: January 17, 2018, 12:54:54 PM »
Some test to work out the mental health of a president: a 10yr over here would answer them!  Maybe the us education system is worse than i thougjt
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« Reply #11608 on: January 17, 2018, 12:59:38 PM »
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

I do. Trump has done more in a year for black America than Obama did in eight years, the economy is on the uptick, jobs are coming back to the states from abroad and confidence in the working class/middle class is up in relation to the economy.


Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America’s population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

Trump has been in office a year, and this is his fault how exactly?

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

I have seen different stats to those, but whatever suits your agenda hi!



Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

I disagree, he cares a lot more about them than you lot, unlike Hillory he actually went out and talked to the people and is continuing to do so, working class blacks are doing better as is the middle class, I can fault him for plenty but at some point one of you liberal bucks have to give the man credit for something, the fact you cant speaks volumes and should tell you why your party fucked itself in the last election!

Should we repost the job and stock market trend graphs again?

I’ll grant you that Trump seized upon long-in-progress de-industrialization of parts of the US as a political football, but that doesn’t mean he gives a f**k about those people or that he is going to do anything for them. All we’ve seen so far is attempts to strip away environmental protections, the social safety net, and tax breaks for rich people. And demonization of immigrants and a willingness to hold foreign-born young people who’ve lived here virtually their entire lives hostage to his wall demands. I guess that plays well with some “ordinary people” who need a scapegoat.

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« Reply #11609 on: January 17, 2018, 01:35:55 PM »
Don given a clean bill of health by the White House Doctor

6'3 tall and weighing 239 lbs - which puts him 1 inch or 1lb short of being clinically obese.

Here is 6'3 Trump standing next to 6'1 Obama

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and next to 6'2 Trudeau

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There's already been the birther movement - is this the start of the girther movement?

Haha...good one

Im sure there was some fudging of the numbers, but you should use different photos if you want to prove your point.  First photo, trump is leaning sideways so thats no good......second one Trumps shoulder is noticeably higher than Trudeaus, so he actually does look taller.  Hard to tell with the mop of hair