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We will have to agree to disagree then. I said at the time it was the players fault. In the previous games last year before the Dublin game the players executed the game plan brilliantly. They froze in the semi final, dropped the heads and couldn't make a tackle.
Anyway they have waited 12 months for this and you can be sure you will see a different performance this sat night

hope so. looking forward to it.

Spare a thought for the players then if it was so demoralising and humiliating for yourselves lads. It's only a bloody game of football

fault lay with the management but hopefully they have learnt from it as Harte is saying in the papers today.

Hurling is no more a possession based game than a penalty shoot out in soccer.

Do try and bother to at least have a look in at even one hurling match if you're going to comment on it, because you clearly know next to nothing about the game.

only comparison hurling and football is they're played on the same field. Hurling is gold

the Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match

They beat Derry in Clones in 2003. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/na-fianna-duo-put-wind-up-derry-in-clones-1.485012

How many of the current Dublin squad or management were involved that day?

you should have said this Dublin squad... of course you knew about 2003 

[why were the average scores 20 years ago so much lower than they are now?]

Those advocating for a rule change on this issue are simply saying the big boys have taken our ball and they won't give it back. It's yapping at a professional level.

Now there are other issues and some people are getting confused between a good team keeping the ball off another team and Gaelic football as a spectacle in general. Venue's, home advantage etc are all things that can be sorted out relatively easily, but to want to change the entire fabric of the game because one team is better than another is complete and utter madness. And some of the "proposals" coming from people on this thread are absolutely ridiculous. Shot clocks, limiting hand passes, not crossing back over half way and a combination of some or all of those. Idea's written on the bag of a fag packet and frankly that's where they should remain.

McGuinness and Harte have ruined the game, so be it, there are other sports to watch and club football is for the most part ok despite attempts by some 'expert' coaches to ape that rubbish.

Yes it's all McGuinness and Harte's fault. Even though your issue is with Dublin keeping the ball.

yeah was awful to see Dubs go to that level as well as they usually hold true to the values of the game.

What are the "values of the game"?

Where are these "values of the game" written down?

Any chance of a link to them?

values aren't written... is like fair play etc. Gaelic football users to be about attacking, flair, having a go... now it's a huge game of chess and you're welcome to it

We know what fair play is. What fair play is and what it isn't is very much written down.

If so called "values" aren't written down, they don't exist.

They aren't written down, so they don't exist.

There is no such a thing as "the values of the game".

If Gaelic football used to be about "attacking, flair, having a go", etc., why were the average scores 20 years ago so much lower than they are now?

The game was f**king horrible in the 70's and 80's. The sooner we get back to this the better, if just so we can close this thread.

who mentioned the 70s and 80s? in the noughties there were great games involving Dublin, Tyrone, Armagh, Mayo, Kerry even Sligio... it's brutal now

Those advocating for a rule change on this issue are simply saying the big boys have taken our ball and they won't give it back. It's yapping at a professional level.

Now there are other issues and some people are getting confused between a good team keeping the ball off another team and Gaelic football as a spectacle in general. Venue's, home advantage etc are all things that can be sorted out relatively easily, but to want to change the entire fabric of the game because one team is better than another is complete and utter madness. And some of the "proposals" coming from people on this thread are absolutely ridiculous. Shot clocks, limiting hand passes, not crossing back over half way and a combination of some or all of those. Idea's written on the bag of a fag packet and frankly that's where they should remain.

McGuinness and Harte have ruined the game, so be it, there are other sports to watch and club football is for the most part ok despite attempts by some 'expert' coaches to ape that rubbish.

Yes it's all McGuinness and Harte's fault. Even though your issue is with Dublin keeping the ball.

yeah was awful to see Dubs go to that level as well as they usually hold true to the values of the game.

What are the "values of the game"?

Where are these "values of the game" written down?

Any chance of a link to them?

values aren't written... is like fair play etc. Gaelic football users to be about attacking, flair, having a go... now it's a huge game of chess and you're welcome to it

We know what fair play is. What fair play is and what it isn't is very much written down.

If so called "values" aren't written down, they don't exist.

They aren't written down, so they don't exist.

There is no such a thing as "the values of the game".

If Gaelic football used to be about "attacking, flair, having a go", etc., why were the average scores 20 years ago so much lower than they are now?

much of that to do with how unequal teams are. it was never a perfect world but I find county football for the most part unwatchable now. is very very occasional entertaining game but they are very few and far between. Probably accounts for falling numbers at games.

Those advocating for a rule change on this issue are simply saying the big boys have taken our ball and they won't give it back. It's yapping at a professional level.

Now there are other issues and some people are getting confused between a good team keeping the ball off another team and Gaelic football as a spectacle in general. Venue's, home advantage etc are all things that can be sorted out relatively easily, but to want to change the entire fabric of the game because one team is better than another is complete and utter madness. And some of the "proposals" coming from people on this thread are absolutely ridiculous. Shot clocks, limiting hand passes, not crossing back over half way and a combination of some or all of those. Idea's written on the bag of a fag packet and frankly that's where they should remain.

McGuinness and Harte have ruined the game, so be it, there are other sports to watch and club football is for the most part ok despite attempts by some 'expert' coaches to ape that rubbish.

Yes it's all McGuinness and Harte's fault. Even though your issue is with Dublin keeping the ball.

yeah was awful to see Dubs go to that level as well as they usually hold true to the values of the game.

What are the "values of the game"?

Where are these "values of the game" written down?

Any chance of a link to them?

values aren't written... is like fair play etc. Gaelic football used to be about attacking, flair, having a go... now it's a huge game of chess and you're welcome to it 

Those advocating for a rule change on this issue are simply saying the big boys have taken our ball and they won't give it back. It's yapping at a professional level.

Now there are other issues and some people are getting confused between a good team keeping the ball off another team and Gaelic football as a spectacle in general. Venue's, home advantage etc are all things that can be sorted out relatively easily, but to want to change the entire fabric of the game because one team is better than another is complete and utter madness. And some of the "proposals" coming from people on this thread are absolutely ridiculous. Shot clocks, limiting hand passes, not crossing back over half way and a combination of some or all of those. Idea's written on the bag of a fag packet and frankly that's where they should remain.

McGuinness and Harte have ruined the game, so be it, there are other sports to watch and club football is for the most part ok despite attempts by some 'expert' coaches to ape that rubbish.

Yes it's all McGuinness and Harte's fault. Even though your issue is with Dublin keeping the ball.

yeah was awful to see Dubs go to that level as well as they usually hold true to the values of the game.

Those advocating for a rule change on this issue are simply saying the big boys have taken our ball and they won't give it back. It's yapping at a professional level.

Now there are other issues and some people are getting confused between a good team keeping the ball off another team and Gaelic football as a spectacle in general. Venue's, home advantage etc are all things that can be sorted out relatively easily, but to want to change the entire fabric of the game because one team is better than another is complete and utter madness. And some of the "proposals" coming from people on this thread are absolutely ridiculous. Shot clocks, limiting hand passes, not crossing back over half way and a combination of some or all of those. Idea's written on the bag of a fag packet and frankly that's where they should remain.

McGuinness and Harte have ruined the game, so be it, there are other sports to watch and club football is for the most part ok despite attempts by some 'expert' coaches to ape that rubbish.

Saturday night is do-or-die for Tyrone with many supporters; not necessarily win which might be too much of an ask but restore some pride after the debacle against Dublin last summer. It was the manner of that defeat which was so demoralising and humiliating. 

[the Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match]

It's hard to make a convincing case for Tyrone but I'm going to try. Firstly, we are at home, the Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match and there is no way we can let ourselves be as bad again on our own home turf - there's no Hill to exaggerate every missed pass or bad tackle. Secondly we have a few upgrades on last year, McKernan for McCrory at corner back, Hampsey to pick up Fenton in midfield (can we believe Conal McCann started there last Sumner) Frank Burns is a huge addition to our defence and our ability to break forward, the progress of Conor Meyler and Ritchie Donnelly is promising - albeit this is the acid test for them. The return of Conor McAliskey in the form he is in is an upgrade on last year and he is a reliable free taker. There are likely to be 7 changes from last years starting line up, all upgrades in my view with the option of subs like Mark Bradley to come in. So this isn't the same old team as last year. The big loss is Cavanagh but I watched him closely last year and the Dubs targeted him a a potential weak link as he moved out the pitch. They dropped kick outs in his direction and ran at him - he was becoming a liability at that level. If Ritchie plays at the edge of the square and we can get decent ball in then that's a positive. Thirdly Mickey Harte has proven himself to be superb when involved in replays over the years - this is as close as we get to a replay and Mickey has had 10 months to figure out how to improve with Dublin in mind. I believe he thought the tactics last year would work - they didn't! Nobody knows that better than him. I would be very surprised to see a carbon copy repeat of last years tactics - we will go for them, try and pressurise them and see if, after 3 or 4 All Ireland's, they really are up for another battle of Omagh. Finally, we will never have such a good opportunity to put right such a poor performance again. We have the AI champions, who annihilated is last year, at home, in Omagh, potentially,  for a place in the AI semi final - any Tyrone man / woman worth their salt should get behind this team and the players should be running through the walls in Omagh to get at the Dubs - and you just never know. Tyrone by 4.

The Dubs beat Derry in a qualifier game in Clones in 2003. If Tyrone go for a win I think they can give Dublin a good game though I'm not sure we can beat them. This is a class Dublin team, too classy I think. But Tyrone just throw the sink at them and if we lose so be it... anything but that attitude in Croke Park last August defending a defeat.

Serious over reaction here. It's not as if what Dublin did happens all the time. I remember Meath doing it to Kerry in the 2001 AI semi (with 15 mins left) to shouts of "ole", then Galway returning the favour in that year's final. I remember Donegal doing it in the 2012 semi to Cork, although Cork managed to finally close down David Walsh, turn it over and score a goal. Kerry did it to us in the 2014 final. But it's not a common feature of intercounty football and definitely not something warranting knee jerk rule changes.

Its been a mess long before that carryon at the weekend.

Football for the most part at county level is very sore in the eyes. Is a mix of uneven matches and the horrible new style with 15 going into defence and breaking at speed though some haven't mastered that. As the managers would say it is all about the result which I suppose it is but I would not be interested in watching it.
I find club football to be very good though here in Tyrone and much more looking forward to that championship.

God is crying because the World Cup is over. Great scenes in the pouring rain though.

What a poor referee