Used to be a thread for this on Laoistalk.
Anyway, to kick it off, I see Killeen are at it again and have signed two of last year's Spink intermediate team.
John Dunphy, the former Laois minor and under 21 goalie is one of the lads Arles Killeen have signed. Competition for Mick Leigh who must be around 36 now?
How are they able to manage that?
Don't know. It doesn't endear them to people though.
Quote from: redsetanta on March 23, 2015, 10:26:10 AM
How are they able to manage that?
they are the Man City of laois club football. ;D
Fair enough but how much of a 'club man' is a fella who leaves his own club to join Killeen.
Begs the question of why they join Killeen? I wonder ...................
Quote from: redsetanta on March 23, 2015, 11:31:46 AM
Fair enough but how much of a 'club man' is a fella who leaves his own club to join Killeen.
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his not the first one to do it down that part of the woods is he.
Is it true Billy Sheehan is not playing club football for anyone this year? I think we were all under the impression he was joining KIlcruise but that seems wrong now.
He was interested in joining them as he is very friendly with alot ofthe lads, particularly the county players. Things were not going so well with Emo at the time. Doesn't look like it will be happening though for whatever reason. Mad to think he is playing with the county and no club football.
What other Spink player joined Kileen?I was sure I heard they joined Kilcruise?
Seems very strange and how is it allowed?
Can anyone transfer nowadays?
Did some Kildare club player join Kilcruise as well??
Re The Kildare club player. His father is from Arles and played with them before moving up to Moone or someplace close to that.
Interesting....
Dunphy is a decent keeper and excellent at 45s
Quote from: portlaoisekid on March 23, 2015, 07:09:10 PM
Is it true Billy Sheehan is not playing club football for anyone this year? I think we were all under the impression he was joining KIlcruise but that seems wrong now.
Don't think billy ever played for Emo, maybe he is looking to back and play with the star back in tralee :D
Quote from: redsetanta on March 23, 2015, 10:26:10 AM
How are they able to manage that?
I heard that when Derek Hayden played with them he was "given" a house in Killeen to live in and provide an address which seemingly made him eligible.
The house belongs to a prominent Killeen clubman and it seems that house could be the key to all this stuff...
The 2 Kingstons, the 2 O'Shea lads, the 2 O'Rourkes from Graigue, now these 2 Spink lads.
If they do ever manage to win the senior, it'll be fairly hollow.
The kingstons are related to a lot of people in the club so I think that accounts for them
If you think people are going around looking for players to poach you are a bit niave what are they
Offering ? Money? Get real look at the pitch and facilities if they had any money it would be going there, I think players are looking to leave clubs which in those players opinion are not good enough for them and Arles/Killeen is a club which will not have a problem taking them.
Think the naive one here may be you if you believe all these transfers don't seem a bit suspicious
Next time I see abramovich in farrells il ask him how much all this is costing
Quote from: Gmac on March 26, 2015, 11:53:58 PM
Next time I see abramovich in farrells il ask him how much all this is costing
;D ;D ;D ;D
Good answer
to go off on a slight tangent this situation is just an example of the poor direction many clubs have been taking. the pursuit of short term success seems to be the only thing on their minds. i know killeen might be the most obvious offender but what about the thousands of euro small clubs hand out to outside managers / strenght and conditioning coaches every year. club 'development' lottos are being used to pay these fees. think what that money could do to help with young player development. maybe clubs would'nt have to look elsewhere for players then.
Transfers go on in many counties with some clubs serial offenders.
the Billy Sheehan case is an interesting one.
Clubs are rightly criticised if they 'poach' players or play players who have no affiliation to them but in Sheehan's case is the County Board complicit in playing an illegal players.
If Sheehan is not a native of Laois, isn't playing for a club in Laois and possibly not even living in Laois surely that is driving a horse and carriage through the rules of eligibility!
Clubs on the borders of counties are the worst offenders with transfers. I mean some of the transfers are blatantly illegal yet they get away with it.
Quote from: Gmac on March 26, 2015, 08:07:52 PM
The kingstons are related to a lot of people in the club so I think that accounts for them
Being related to people accounts for nothing....
I find it hard to see how lads leaving clubs within a small county like Laois to join another club can be justified.
My own club had a hurler who joined from a nearby club a few years back and tbh it was a disgrace it ever happened and my friends from that other club on a sporting level will never forgive him for leaving for Portlaoise.
Every club gets the odd outsider joining them but in the majority of cases its a matter of work or living arrangements not being poached. How these clubs can afford these transfers is beyond me. Is it just a Laois thing that lads are willing to move between clubs ? We all have examples of lads willing to move , I could name 3 inter county players from last 3 seasons that looked for transfers to Portlaoise but were turned down and my mates at other clubs can tell similar stories.
I find it hard to see how lads leaving clubs within a small county like Laois to join another club can be justified.
My own club had a hurler who joined from a nearby club a few years back and tbh it was a disgrace it ever happened and my friends from that other club on a sporting level will never forgive him for leaving for Portlaoise.
That man in question is back with his previous club. Welcomed back hopefully it'll all work out!
Quote from: Helix on March 29, 2015, 06:37:53 PM
I find it hard to see how lads leaving clubs within a small county like Laois to join another club can be justified.
My own club had a hurler who joined from a nearby club a few years back and tbh it was a disgrace it ever happened and my friends from that other club on a sporting level will never forgive him for leaving for Portlaoise.
That man in question is back with his previous club. Welcomed back hopefully it'll all work out! New to this forum so apologies with the typo!
Quote from: Give and Go on March 27, 2015, 12:50:12 PM
Transfers go on in many counties with some clubs serial offenders.
the Billy Sheehan case is an interesting one.
Clubs are rightly criticised if they 'poach' players or play players who have no affiliation to them but in Sheehan's case is the County Board complicit in playing an illegal players.
If Sheehan is not a native of Laois, isn't playing for a club in Laois and possibly not even living in Laois surely that is driving a horse and carriage through the rules of eligibility!
Clubs on the borders of counties are the worst offenders with transfers. I mean some of the transfers are blatantly illegal yet they get away with it.
agree with this, but you would wonder how the jasus does he get picked for the county panel, its not as if he is a stand out player in the laois senior championship its no wonder they are on the jaws of division 3.
Darren Rooney has gone back home to Clonaslee from Parnells.
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on May 15, 2015, 08:51:32 AM
Darren Rooney has gone back home to Clonaslee from Parnells.
He must be 35 or 36 now.
Any high profile players gone to America or J1s from Laois?
Cheddar, Mathew and Jim Fitz all back! Hopefully we drive on for Sunday now and out all this is the past!
Billy Sheehan leaving Emo for St Jude's in Dublin.
He's given everything he could to the Laois cause for over a decade, sometimes what he could do wasn't the best be we can't fault him for effort. He hasn't announced it but surely he wont be back for Laois either way. Best of luck to Billy in Dublin, I'm sure he'll have a great time up there. :D
But he's also treated the emo club disgracefully
When was the last time he played with Emo? Seemed to be absent for quite a while if I'm not mistaken.
Exactly...yet he was always available for laois. He was only eligible to play for laois because his club was emo. A club he refused to play for. Basically used them to play inter county football. In my opinion he should not have been considered for laois while refusing to play for his club.
Not Sheehan's greatest fan. He got the max out of himself and his career and in fairness lived for playing ball. Never really was comfortable with him playing for Laois and at best he was only slightly ahead of plenty of players in the county. I would think a blowin would have to be considerably better to be selected. Saying that he gave everything for Laois nothing more uncomfortable though than a Kerry man in a Laois Jersey asking you to have pride in your county:)
Never was a Billy fan but he travelled when a lot of natives wouldn't. He used EMO to become eligible to play for LaoIs but he isn't the only player(s) who have abused the very lapse Leinster CLG/Laois transfer system. One of our "top" senior clubs consist of players who received some very debatable transfers on an annual basis so we cannot complain too much about Billy.
Quote from: Timmy on June 27, 2015, 05:30:04 PM
But he's also treated the emo club disgracefully
They were happy enough to welcome him with open arms and offer him an address. They can't be too sore. Billy gave more to the Laois shirt than a lot of heralded stars born and bred in the place. Best of luck to him. His wife is a beoir too.
Quote from: Don Draper on June 29, 2015, 01:43:14 PM
Quote from: Timmy on June 27, 2015, 05:30:04 PM
But he's also treated the emo club disgracefully
They were happy enough to welcome him with open arms and offer him an address. They can't be too sore. Billy gave more to the Laois shirt than a lot of heralded stars born and bred in the place. Best of luck to him. His wife is a beoir too.
Exactly best of luck Billy.
Bit of strange transfer news, but Ballypickas (between Ballyroan and Ballinakill if you've never heard of them) have drafted in two hurlers from Wexford. I believe one of them has represented Wexford Intermediates at some level. Don't know the connection but seems like a good bit of business for an intermediate club.
Barry Brennan back with Graigue from Wexford.
Hi all!
Anybody hear of new faces around the county football and hurling? I heard that young Duggan chap transferred back to Camross from Portlaoise. Normally a few strange ones in Laois most years.
Harps have lost former county hurler Sean Burke to Naomh Olaf in Dublin.
Billy O Loughlin transfered from Kileen to St Lomans and i hear they are hunting in for replacements...as is normal down there
Richie Ryan back with Ballylinan from St Laurence's.
Colm Begley back with Stradbally from Parnells.
Begley will be an addition to Stradbally no doubt once he's fit!
Two clubs that were in relegation battles last year picking up a player each. Who drops out of senior this year will be fascinating.
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on April 20, 2016, 03:35:57 PM
Two clubs that were in relegation battles last year picking up a player each. Who drops out of senior this year will be fascinating.
Ballyfin and Clonaslee will be hot favourites with Crettyard and Killeshin and Ballylinan being close as well..
There's a mighty strong rumour John O'loughlin is transferring to portlaoise, how true it is I don't know but everybody has it ATM.
That would be massive news but wouldn't make sense with Mountmellick beside Portlaoise. I highly doubt that.
John O'Loughlin transferring to Portlaoise is doing the rounds for ages. It may happen but I don't see it happening this year. As far as I know he is still playing with St Brigids and I imagine he played in the 1st round of the Dublin SFC. if that's the case, he will be ineligible for local championship. Whatever about Mountmellick, I reckon other clubs will be peeved if he heads to the town.
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2016, 12:00:48 PM
That would be massive news but wouldn't make sense with Mountmellick beside Portlaoise. I highly doubt that.
Rosenallis isn't too far away either ;)
Lads, have ye not been listening to me? I'm blue in the face telling ye. Portlaoise have taken the gloves off. The recruitment is on. At all levels. I know a parent who was approached in a recent U14 game about their child and would they be interested in coming to kick with the town. Stories like this are all over the parish. And they make no bones about it.
Whatever about John, and it has been doing the rounds since pre Brigids, the rest is happening. And they don't care what you think.
Have I not been listening to you Bueller?
Well.....actually....no - I've no idea who you are or what you've been saying to be honest. ;D
I was approached by a big club to play ball with them when I was younger. Thing is, I had a choice and my parents have a choice. Portlaoise can ask but they're not forcing anyone to play with them in fairness.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on June 12, 2016, 02:41:28 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2016, 12:00:48 PM
That would be massive news but wouldn't make sense with Mountmellick beside Portlaoise. I highly doubt that.
Rosenallis isn't too far away either ;)
That'd be some leap. Senior football in Dublin -> Junior football in Laois.
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on June 12, 2016, 04:19:34 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on June 12, 2016, 02:41:28 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2016, 12:00:48 PM
That would be massive news but wouldn't make sense with Mountmellick beside Portlaoise. I highly doubt that.
Rosenallis isn't too far away either ;)
That'd be some leap. Senior football in Dublin -> Junior football in Laois.
Close to his heart though ;)
Why wouldn't he go back to Mountmellick if he's transferring back to Laois though? Makes no sense to me. Did he fall out with the club or something.
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2016, 06:07:34 PM
Why wouldn't he go back to Mountmellick if he's transferring back to Laois though? Makes no sense to me. Did he fall out with the club or something.
Take your head out of the sand and join the rest of us in the real world.
Wow, bit techy there today Bueller. Taking things a bit seriously for an anonymous forum about a game it seems ;D. Did you have your daily toilet today? You sound a bit blocked up.
I may be wrong but I thought the rule book prevents players from transferring from a club and then transferring back to a different club in the original county.
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on June 12, 2016, 10:36:19 PM
I may be wrong but I thought the rule book prevents players from transferring from a club and then transferring back to a different club in the original county.
Rule book Section 6.6 Subsection (i) A player who transfers from one County to another County,
and within 96 weeks thereafter transfers back to the former County, shall rejoin the Club of which he was a member prior to the initial transfer.
How long ago is it since JL joined St Bridgids....more or less then 96 weeks ????....there's you anwer
Quote from: The Monument Road on June 12, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on June 12, 2016, 10:36:19 PM
I may be wrong but I thought the rule book prevents players from transferring from a club and then transferring back to a different club in the original county.
Rule book Section 6.6 Subsection (i) A player who transfers from one County to another County, and within 96 weeks thereafter transfers back to the former County, shall rejoin the Club of which he was a member prior to the initial transfer.
How long ago is it since JL joined St Bridgids....more or less then 96 weeks ????....there's you anwer
It's well beyond the 96 weeks.
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/96408/Mountmellick--hit-out-at-Dublin.html
There is absolutely nothing to stop this if it is what JOL wants. I would still doubt it is true that he does want this.
There is also practically no way of legislating rules that would stop a move like this.
JOL Would be a big loss if he were to shun Mountmellick for the Town. Doing primary teaching now hence why tie to St Brigids may not be as strong anymore.
Senior competition in both codes very tempting considering he's nearly at his peak at moment.
Am I right in saying mountmellick are with Ballyfin in senior B competition can anyone clarify this?
It would be very disappointing if JOL was allowed to move to Portlaoise. What would that do for the Laois SFC for the next 3/4 years, if he's allowed to go there? Hand it to Portlaoise, that's what.
They're coming back to the pack and are now going to artificially inflate their prospects by doing this. Will the Central Council or any other council rule against it in the interest of fairness?
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on June 13, 2016, 09:13:46 PM
It would be very disappointing if JOL was allowed to move to Portlaoise. What would that do for the Laois SFC for the next 3/4 years, if he's allowed to go there? Hand it to Portlaoise, that's what.
They're coming back to the pack and are now going to artificially inflate their prospects by doing this. Will the Central Council or any other council rule against it in the interest of fairness?
Fairness is a word missing from the GAA lexicon. A couple of Mountmellick lads are playing senior with Ballyfin so that option is available to JOL. I imagine if he went back to Mountmellick, it would be a serious shot in the arm for the club.
I've heard that there is no truth in the JOL to Portlaoise rumour.
Quote from: SCFC on June 15, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
I've heard that there is no truth in the JOL to Portlaoise rumour.
I would doubt it also.
Quote from: The Monument Road on June 12, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on June 12, 2016, 10:36:19 PM
I may be wrong but I thought the rule book prevents players from transferring from a club and then transferring back to a different club in the original county.
Rule book Section 6.6 Subsection (i) A player who transfers from one County to another County, and within 96 weeks thereafter transfers back to the former County, shall rejoin the Club of which he was a member prior to the initial transfer.
How long ago is it since JL joined St Bridgids....more or less then 96 weeks ????....there's you anwer
Thanks for that clarification - so he could theoretically move to any club in the county.
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on July 05, 2016, 10:59:14 AM
Quote from: The Monument Road on June 12, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on June 12, 2016, 10:36:19 PM
I may be wrong but I thought the rule book prevents players from transferring from a club and then transferring back to a different club in the original county.
Rule book Section 6.6 Subsection (i) A player who transfers from one County to another County, and within 96 weeks thereafter transfers back to the former County, shall rejoin the Club of which he was a member prior to the initial transfer.
How long ago is it since JL joined St Bridgids....more or less then 96 weeks ????....there's you anwer
Thanks for that clarification - so he could theoretically move to any club in the county.
Are Courtwood tabling a bid, Hesh?
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on July 05, 2016, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on July 05, 2016, 10:59:14 AM
Quote from: The Monument Road on June 12, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on June 12, 2016, 10:36:19 PM
I may be wrong but I thought the rule book prevents players from transferring from a club and then transferring back to a different club in the original county.
Rule book Section 6.6 Subsection (i) A player who transfers from one County to another County, and within 96 weeks thereafter transfers back to the former County, shall rejoin the Club of which he was a member prior to the initial transfer.
How long ago is it since JL joined St Bridgids....more or less then 96 weeks ????....there's you anwer
Thanks for that clarification - so he could theoretically move to any club in the county.
Are Courtwood tabling a bid, Hesh?
:) Around 3 John O'Loughlins would do us just fine!
Scott Conroy back with Ballyroan Abbey. He'll be a big help to their championship campaign.
Heard Timahoe hurlers potentially might not be fielding a hurling team in 2017 with players open to transfer to surrounding clubs. Any truth in this?
I believe there's a bit of bad feeling amongst those who prefer hurling, because their management gave two walkovers in the intermediate championship - including a relegation play-off - although they were able to field in the Junior C. The football end seemingly is scapegoating the hurlers for the fact the footballers couldn't win their intermediate championship, so it's a bit up in the air, I think. However, it's hard to see them letting their hurlers off, because they night well not play football for them then, either. Who knows.
Heard they are in discussions with two clubs about going to play with them, could end up that half go to each apparently
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on October 18, 2016, 10:13:12 PM
Heard they are in discussions with two clubs about going to play with them, could end up that half go to each apparently
If it does happen I'm sure it would be determined by players where they go. A choice of Ballinakill, Clonad Ballypickas or Park ratheniska surely.
Quote from: Helix on October 18, 2016, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on October 18, 2016, 10:13:12 PM
Heard they are in discussions with two clubs about going to play with them, could end up that half go to each apparently
If it does happen I'm sure it would be determined by players where they go. A choice of Ballinakill, Clonad Ballypickas or Park ratheniska surely.
Fair point, realistically there should be a club for both hurling and football in every parish or between 2 parishes, if timahoe dont put in a team this will mean hurling gone from stradbally parish which would be a shame, although i do understand that the dominant sport in most parishes rules all i have my doubts that there wouldnt be 20 lads between emo, courtwood, killenard, ballybrittis and portarlington interested in playing hurling, likewise theres surely 20 lads intrestex in kicking ball between rathdowney/errill and ballacolla
I wonder is it possible they may retain as a junior a team and go as a gaels team to somewhere else I wonder, Ballinakill being suited as their arrangement with Slieve Margy is in place. Not sure if it would be possible for the likes of Clonad or Park Ratheniska in intermediate. I echo your point regarding no hurling team in Stradbally parish it would be a shame alright. Though at underage some timahoe players play with Park ratheniska and Clonad and some but very little from Stradbally. Of course when push comes to shove in later years football will most likely take precedent with the majority as is the status quo.
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on October 18, 2016, 10:31:16 PM
quotes have my doubts that there wouldnt be 20 lads between emo, courtwood, killenard, ballybrittis and portarlington interested in playing hurling
Compulsory helmets finished our hurling team! ;D
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Compulsory helmets finished our hurling team! ;D
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The softening of the game so it seemed with the helmets 8)
They've reintroduced hurling out in Portarlington at underage along with St Pauls. Be interesting how long it will last. It'll be the football that'll finish the hurling out there ::)
Yeah, I wonder how long Slieve Margy will last.
The likes of Slieve Margy and Graigue should be getting every bit of help available to ensure that hurling survives. They should be getting coaching sessions and grant specific aid if it's there.
A project like Slieve Margy should be helped and prevented from failing once there are willing hurlers involved. It can be very hard to keep things going if you are continually shipping heavy defeats so encouragement and support are key.
With the GAA course in IT Carlow and with the Slieve Margy and Graiguecullen being close to the college surely the likes of some Games officer might be of interest to help get hurling a better profile. Might be an interesting project to pursue in the college in terms of promoting hurling in the so-called football area and getting a few experienced lads on the course taking a few sessions and club mentors shadow some of the coaching skills (Fundamental ABC's and so on) . I know in Carlow town there was a new hurling club set up recently (Setanta if I'm not mistaken). The only way the hurling might have a chance of surviving if it is persistently carried out rather than having a hurl in the corner and picking it up occasionally.
Maybe it's all a pipe dream.
I see Adam Ryan leaving Port for St Jude's. Pity.
How would this effect the c'ship structures? nobody relegated from intermediate downwards?
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on November 01, 2016, 04:35:02 PM
How would this effect the c'ship structures? nobody relegated from intermediate downwards?
You in the right forum Spec?
My question was about timahoe hurling being disbanded. Forgot there were a number of comments subsequently! 🙈
Seemingly all Timahoe want to do is drop down to have team in likes of Junior B or C. Problem is there's decent lads in the club who prefer the hurling over the football who's hurling needs aren't being met at all in the club. 13 lads to play an intermediate championship match second round vs camross this year and if even 2 or 3 hurling sessions in the entire year. Word is Timahoe wont let lads transfer and possibly a gaels team might be an option.
They are relegated to Junior A anyways for 2017. They have a Junior C team which they fielded prior to intermediate championship. If they dropped to Junior B or C that'd mean Mountmellick would stay up though I highly doubt that would happen. What could possibly happen if possible that a gaels team with possibly Clonad at intermediate in 2017. A suggestion. No more than that at the moment. I know lads from Timahoe tried to transfer about 6 years ago when Clonad were stronger in intermediate but was rejected.
Heard that they have been approached about amalgamating their hurling team with one of their neighbours, about 5 of them who play on the inter football team have threatwned to walk altogether if this doesnt happen or they arent allowed play somewhere
Probably Ballypickas if an amalgamation is the case. Though an gaels team with Clonad or Park Ratheniska could be possible. The'd keep their junior A team and be able to play at intermediate hurling with potential to go at higher grade.
Cant do it with an intermediate team
Not even a gaels team? Considering Intermediate is essentially 3rd tier hurling in Laois and yet gaels team is possible for the football.
Can only do it with senior teams or to enter a senior championship, basically senior in football and senior and senior b in hurling
If Timahoe didn't enter a hurling team in 2017 anybody in Timahoe interested in hurling could "get permission" to hurl with any other HURLING ONLY club, such as Clonad, Ballypickas, Colt, Shanahoe, Slieve Margy etc! This would remove the necessity for a transfer and would require reapplication for "permission" each year.
The recipient club would not have to be senior, change their name, add Gaels or do anything at all except accept the players!
Clonad makes most sense really!
Obviously there are two sides to every story, but what is being presented here is that Timahoe club officials don't want hurling, but don't want their players going elsewhere!
As an isolated player is it Keyser? Would be the best option and would suit lads to go where they wish. Clonad the best option there if that's the case.
Quote from: Helix on November 01, 2016, 06:47:15 PM
As an isolated player is it Keyser? Would be the best option and would suit lads to go where they wish. Clonad the best option there if that's the case.
Ye as an isolated player. You are somewhat restricted in that it would be expected you would either go to the nearest available club or you would have some connection to the club you are otherwise looking to join.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 01, 2016, 07:18:17 PM
Quote from: Helix on November 01, 2016, 06:47:15 PM
As an isolated player is it Keyser? Would be the best option and would suit lads to go where they wish. Clonad the best option there if that's the case.
Ye as an isolated player. You are somewhat restricted in that it would be expected you would either go to the nearest available club or you would have some connection to the club you are otherwise looking to join.
We'd have some lads that would have played minor and 21s in Clonad would be no family connections. Good few timahoe lads on team that beat a fancied Rathdowney Errill team with Clonad and Park Ratheniska. Nearest hurling only club to Timahoe is Clonad aswell so might suit us.
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 01, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
Can only do it with senior teams or to enter a senior championship, basically senior in football and senior and senior b in hurling
Junior players can join with an intermediate team to form a gaels team. Rules changed a year ago. They can play in intermediate championship.
Quote from: Downtheroad on November 02, 2016, 12:50:51 AM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 01, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
Can only do it with senior teams or to enter a senior championship, basically senior in football and senior and senior b in hurling
Junior players can join with an intermediate team to form a gaels team. Rules changed a year ago. They can play in intermediate championship.
You sure about that? I understood they couldn't.
I think it can happen. The rule says "A Player shall not lose his current Championship status by: (1) Playing in a Senior or Intermediate Championship on a Divisional or Group Senior or Intermediate team."
Can't see it happen at intermediate level in Laois football. Maybe it would work in the hurling?
Quote from: SCFC on November 02, 2016, 03:30:39 PM
I think it can happen. The rule says "A Player shall not lose his current Championship status by: (1) Playing in a Senior or Intermediate Championship on a Divisional or Group Senior or Intermediate team."
Can't see it happen at intermediate level in Laois football. Maybe it would work in the hurling?
That's fairly clear then that it can happen.
I'd imagine that the CB would allow most combinations, particularly parish teams, so long as they don't alter the number of teams in the grade and thus mess up the "perfect" system we have going at all grades in hurling.
So far ive heard daly from barrowhouse to joesphs or killen in the football and quinlan from kyle to borris/kilcotton and harnett from mountmellick to ballyfin in the hurling
You're the Jim White of Laois GAA Ballyroan. It would be sickening if Daly went to Josephs because Barrowhouse were blackguarded before. Also, Josephs rejected any senior tie up between the two clubs, so they have no right to go poaching. Can't see it anyway.
Quote from: High Fielder on November 16, 2016, 02:38:03 PM
You're the Jim White of Laois GAA Ballyroan. It would be sickening if Daly went to Josephs because Barrowhouse were blackguarded before. Also, Josephs rejected any senior tie up between the two clubs, so they have no right to go poaching. Can't see it anyway.
Have Joes started poaching....just wondering but have a look at a certain high profile BH players Facebook profile picture....is it poaching or the opposite of poaching
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 16, 2016, 01:49:30 PM
So far ive heard daly from barrowhouse to joesphs or killen in the football and quinlan from kyle to borris/kilcotton and harnett from mountmellick to ballyfin in the hurling
Yes Quinlan has been telling B/K that he is going to put in a transfer and rumor has it that Kyle are in deep trouble with numbers and geographically where they are they have nobody to join with, other small hurling clubs in laois like slieve bloom were damn near going under a few years ago and pulled it back and Ballinakill are punching above their weight at the moment too
Quote from: tcrilly on November 20, 2016, 08:52:54 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 16, 2016, 01:49:30 PM
So far ive heard daly from barrowhouse to joesphs or killen in the football and quinlan from kyle to borris/kilcotton and harnett from mountmellick to ballyfin in the hurling
Yes Quinlan has been telling B/K that he is going to put in a transfer and rumor has it that Kyle are in deep trouble with numbers and geographically where they are they have nobody to join with, other small hurling clubs in laois like slieve bloom were damn near going under a few years ago and pulled it back and Ballinakill are punching above their weight at the moment too
There is a few clubs that you would feel will struggle to keep going in the next few years, trumera, ballypickas, kyle in the hurling kilcavan arles kilcruise, arles killen in the football
There is a few clubs that you would feel will struggle to keep going in the next few years, trumera, ballypickas, kyle in the hurling kilcavan arles kilcruise, arles killen in the football
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Yeah I admire Trumera for what they have achieved in the last 20 years, there is only 40 houses in Trumera apparently, I know one or two of them lads and they have a lot of guys the wrong side of 35 now, As for football i would be the worst one to comment on it as I never go to football games, Annoughnough are struggling too as I was talking to one of their players in a taxi home from Kilkenny one night(Random encounters)lol
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 20, 2016, 09:32:53 PM
Quote from: tcrilly on November 20, 2016, 08:52:54 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 16, 2016, 01:49:30 PM
So far ive heard daly from barrowhouse to joesphs or killen in the football and quinlan from kyle to borris/kilcotton and harnett from mountmellick to ballyfin in the hurling
Yes Quinlan has been telling B/K that he is going to put in a transfer and rumor has it that Kyle are in deep trouble with numbers and geographically where they are they have nobody to join with, other small hurling clubs in laois like slieve bloom were damn near going under a few years ago and pulled it back and Ballinakill are punching above their weight at the moment too
There is a few clubs that you would feel will struggle to keep going in the next few years, trumera, ballypickas, kyle in the hurling kilcavan arles kilcruise, arles killen in the football
Think Kilcavan will be OK - a few good young lads coming through there in the next few years.
Killeen could be in real bother, they are a very ageing team.
The link should dispel the annual JoL rumours for at least another year.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=264985
Any internal club transfers rumoured yet?
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:36:40 PM
Any internal club transfers rumoured yet?
Kilcotton man tells me this week that Conor Quinlan has put in a late transfer from ballaghmore and it's not expected to go down well
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:36:40 PM
Any internal club transfers rumoured yet?
As explained before, there can be NO Laois transfers because of Portlaoise's actions and the rest of the sheep delegates carry on at the co convention. Laois has no transfer bye law, ergo, no transfers.
Daily updated Transfer list from Croke Park
https://crokepark-my.sharepoint.com/personal/ruairi_harvey_gaa_ie/_layouts/15/WopiFrame.aspx?guestaccesstoken=Gc2myfwceMcTJO0Sm78dGMt4Up6MH9VlzlUxxsMV%2fgk%3d&docid=04bc452cba06b4bfea0d1ed80a2b5fac6&action=view
Daily updates from Leinster council
http://www.leinstergaa.ie/_fileupload/Transfer%20Schedule%202010-2017.pdf
Ben Conroy to Portlaoise was a rumour in work yesterday!
Quote from: The Monument Road on January 27, 2017, 01:00:17 PM
Daily updates from Leinster council
http://www.leinstergaa.ie/_fileupload/Transfer%20Schedule%202010-2017.pdf
Do they publish internal transfers on these sites? Don't think I've seen one ever in them spreadsheets online.
Quote from: Helix on January 27, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
Quote from: The Monument Road on January 27, 2017, 01:00:17 PM
Daily updates from Leinster council
http://www.leinstergaa.ie/_fileupload/Transfer%20Schedule%202010-2017.pdf
Do they publish internal transfers on these sites? Don't think I've seen one ever in them spreadsheets online.
No these are just inter county (club) transfers confined to Leinster while gaa.ie usually lists transfers from clubs in different provinces, America, Australasia, Asia etc. Laois gaa usually list internal transfers on their website/local media after the date has passed. I believe it is Tuesday . Could be totally wrong in this. Always have to question players attitudes when they are looking for internal transfers.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 27, 2017, 04:08:07 PM
Ben Conroy to Portlaoise was a rumour in work yesterday!
Cheddar tried. No luck.
Feel bad for Kyle. They fought the fight for many years for players to be allowed stay with their home club and hurl senior as part of a group team...and now Borris/Kilcotton have no interest in risking a shot at a Leinster Championship to accomodate them so they're still fecked. Hard to see a future for them in Laois....
Quinlan's transfer will go through. Everyone knows it.
He'll only improve their Senior A team.
Quote from: TP Ashe on January 28, 2017, 01:00:40 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 27, 2017, 04:08:07 PM
Ben Conroy to Portlaoise was a rumour in work yesterday!
Cheddar tried. No luck.
Feel bad for Kyle. They fought the fight for many years for players to be allowed stay with their home club and hurl senior as part of a group team...and now Borris/Kilcotton have no interest in risking a shot at a Leinster Championship to accomodate them so they're still fecked. Hard to see a future for them in Laois....
Quinlan's transfer will go through. Everyone knows it.
He'll only improve their Senior A team.
They ALWAYS lose these battles do Kyle but when you get 4-5 lads turning up to training for Junior, what is there to keep an ambitious hurler, as for Conroy, I would question why he would want to leave Slieve Bloom as they are now a full intermediate outfit with plenty of young hurlers, Brendan Cummins, Shane McGrath, Nicky English are just some Tipp names I can think of that never played senior club hurling
I wonder what are the barriers in place to stop Kyle throwing in their lit with Knock and going to hurling in the mid in Tipp?
Quote from: clonadmad on January 28, 2017, 10:06:00 AM
I wonder what are the barriers in place to stop Kyle throwing in their lit with Knock and going to hurling in the mid in Tipp?
Kyle players want it as do Knock and last year the mid tipp board agreed that they could use kyle field for home games but kyle chiefs went to meetings and very few players didnt turn up and the vote didnt go in favor because of the experts that know best
Quote from: hurlingmad on January 28, 2017, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 28, 2017, 10:06:00 AM
I wonder what are the barriers in place to stop Kyle throwing in their lit with Knock and going to hurling in the mid in Tipp?
Kyle players want it as do Knock and last year the mid tipp board agreed that they could use kyle field for home games but kyle chiefs went to meetings and very few players didnt turn up and the vote didnt go in favor because of the experts that know best
Well in fairness if the players wanted it that bad,they didn't put in the groundwork to get it over the line,based on what your saying.
Quote from: clonadmad on January 28, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Quote from: hurlingmad on January 28, 2017, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 28, 2017, 10:06:00 AM
I wonder what are the barriers in place to stop Kyle throwing in their lit with Knock and going to hurling in the mid in Tipp?
Kyle players want it as do Knock and last year the mid tipp board agreed that they could use kyle field for home games but kyle chiefs went to meetings and very few players didnt turn up and the vote didnt go in favor because of the experts that know best
Well in fairness if the players wanted it that bad,they didn't put in the groundwork to get it over the line,based on what your saying.
Yes exactly 100%
the attitude of someone else will do it is what is holdig back small clubs and they play the victim too often, B/K didnt poach Quinlan, Camross didnt Poach Gilmartin, they simply wanted to push themselves among their peers because nobody turns up training at their home club
Kyle have lost most of their best players through out the years as previous posters have said 4 or 5 at training. No perfect answer but Kyle should have been proactive in fighting for some other solution rather than expanding all their energy fighting transfers.
Quote from: HURLING1 on January 28, 2017, 12:06:58 PM
Kyle have lost most of their best players through out the years as previous posters have said 4 or 5 at training. No perfect answer but Kyle should have been proactive in fighting for some other solution rather than expanding all their energy fighting transfers.
I totally agree, the way forward for rural clubs is to amalgamate and until lads get that into their head this trend will continue at a fast rate
Correct hurlingmad, amalgamation is the way forward not this whole "Gaels" scenario which is absolutely ridiculous and will not help develop hurling in the county in any way. Amalgamating the whole way from juvenile to senior (or whatever grade) can help young lads in the juvenile sides identify with the new club set up and help them to play hurling at a higher level than might ever have been possible with their own club, surely this can only be good. Realistically though there will always be people in those clubs who will object to it , you just have to hope that their are enough forward thinking people involved to be able to sit down with each other and come up with a solution that suits both clubs or whatever no. of clubs are involved.
Quote from: BlueAlways on January 28, 2017, 04:33:35 PM
Correct hurlingmad, amalgamation is the way forward not this whole "Gaels" scenario which is absolutely ridiculous and will not help develop hurling in the county in any way. Amalgamating the whole way from juvenile to senior (or whatever grade) can help young lads in the juvenile sides identify with the new club set up and help them to play hurling at a higher level than might ever have been possible with their own club, surely this can only be good. Realistically though there will always be people in those clubs who will object to it , you just have to hope that their are enough forward thinking people involved to be able to sit down with each other and come up with a solution that suits both clubs or whatever no. of clubs are involved.
I mean these gaels type amalgamations are usually only used in other counties to accomadate Hurlers to senior football and vice versa
Quote from: hurlingmad on January 28, 2017, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: HURLING1 on January 28, 2017, 12:06:58 PM
Kyle have lost most of their best players through out the years as previous posters have said 4 or 5 at training. No perfect answer but Kyle should have been proactive in fighting for some other solution rather than expanding all their energy fighting transfers.
I totally agree, the way forward for rural clubs is to amalgamate and until lads get that into their head this trend will continue at a fast rate
The only way for SOME Clubs who are struggling. Please don't try lump all Clubs in with the ones who have 5 lads out Training. There's lads out there and here who'd have had the likes of Rosenallis and Killeshin lumped into amalgamations some 10 years ago.
Quote from: Don Draper on January 28, 2017, 05:27:58 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on January 28, 2017, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: HURLING1 on January 28, 2017, 12:06:58 PM
Kyle have lost most of their best players through out the years as previous posters have said 4 or 5 at training. No perfect answer but Kyle should have been proactive in fighting for some other solution rather than expanding all their energy fighting transfers.
I totally agree, the way forward for rural clubs is to amalgamate and until lads get that into their head this trend will continue at a fast rate
The only way for SOME Clubs who are struggling. Please don't try lump all Clubs in with the ones who have 5 lads out Training. There's lads out there and here who'd have had the likes of Rosenallis and Killeshin lumped into amalgamations some 10 years ago.
Yes there are exceptions obviously, Rosenallis are a fine example of a club rebuilt, especially the state it was in after the collapse of tinnahinch
When do transfers stop? is there a closing date?
Thanks
Quote from: independent on January 30, 2017, 09:05:29 PM
When do transfers stop? is there a closing date?
Thanks
End of January i think, and any time for inter county club as far as I know, but im not sure if the rule is as loose as that for inter county club transfers
Quote from: hurlingmad on January 30, 2017, 09:53:59 PM
Quote from: independent on January 30, 2017, 09:05:29 PM
When do transfers stop? is there a closing date?
Thanks
End of January i think, and any time for inter county club as far as I know, but im not sure if the rule is as loose as that for inter county club transfers
Inter county club transfers can happen anytime during year. I don't think a player can play championship for two clubs (excluding colleges and area teams) in the same year.
How does it work with hurling and football? If a player plays in a competition and then transfers he is allowed finish out the competitions he started before the transfer. What if he played 1st round league and cship football with a club and then transferred. Could he play hurling league and championship with new club while also finishing league and cship football with previous club. Not sure who this would apply to but just curious if there is any rule against it?
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2017, 08:20:26 AM
How does it work with hurling and football? If a player plays in a competition and then transfers he is allowed finish out the competitions he started before the transfer. What if he played 1st round league and cship football with a club and then transferred. Could he play hurling league and championship with new club while also finishing league and cship football with previous club. Not sure who this would apply to but just curious if there is any rule against it?
He can play league and championship for two different clubs at the same time, as was the case with Ballyea forward Niall Deasy who played a Munster final one week in 2016 and a Dublin league final the following for his other club. He transferred to Dublin, and then back before playing championship, but had played league and was eligible to continue playing in that competition.
Quote from: Don Draper on January 31, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2017, 08:20:26 AM
How does it work with hurling and football? If a player plays in a competition and then transfers he is allowed finish out the competitions he started before the transfer. What if he played 1st round league and cship football with a club and then transferred. Could he play hurling league and championship with new club while also finishing league and cship football with previous club. Not sure who this would apply to but just curious if there is any rule against it?
He can play league and championship for two different clubs at the same time, as was the case with Ballyea forward Niall Deasy who played a Munster final one week in 2016 and a Dublin league final the following for his other club. He transferred to Dublin, and then back before playing championship, but had played league and was eligible to continue playing in that competition.
I knew about Deasy but that doesnt really answer my question. If a player plays football league and cship in home county in April/May and then transfers to a hurling club in different county in june can he play league and cship hurling in new county and finish out football league and cship in previous club in home county?
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2017, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on January 31, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2017, 08:20:26 AM
How does it work with hurling and football? If a player plays in a competition and then transfers he is allowed finish out the competitions he started before the transfer. What if he played 1st round league and cship football with a club and then transferred. Could he play hurling league and championship with new club while also finishing league and cship football with previous club. Not sure who this would apply to but just curious if there is any rule against it?
He can play league and championship for two different clubs at the same time, as was the case with Ballyea forward Niall Deasy who played a Munster final one week in 2016 and a Dublin league final the following for his other club. He transferred to Dublin, and then back before playing championship, but had played league and was eligible to continue playing in that competition.
The answer is no, if you play championship of any description in either code you cannot play with a second club in championship that year. However should you play league or cup competition with another club you can play championship in the same year as they are not seen as been the same competition. Thus you can play league or Kelly cup in Laois and then go on and transfer and play championship hurling or football in another county. However if you go and play championship junior c hurling in April you cannot play any level of championship Hurling or Football with another team in that year. I am 100% of this rule in Ireland and UK
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on January 31, 2017, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2017, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on January 31, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2017, 08:20:26 AM
How does it work with hurling and football? If a player plays in a competition and then transfers he is allowed finish out the competitions he started before the transfer. What if he played 1st round league and cship football with a club and then transferred. Could he play hurling league and championship with new club while also finishing league and cship football with previous club. Not sure who this would apply to but just curious if there is any rule against it?
He can play league and championship for two different clubs at the same time, as was the case with Ballyea forward Niall Deasy who played a Munster final one week in 2016 and a Dublin league final the following for his other club. He transferred to Dublin, and then back before playing championship, but had played league and was eligible to continue playing in that competition.
The answer is no, if you play championship of any description in either code you cannot play with a second club in championship that year. However should you play league or cup competition with another club you can play championship in the same year as they are not seen as been the same competition. Thus you can play league or Kelly cup in Laois and then go on and transfer and play championship hurling or football in another county. However if you go and play championship junior c hurling in April you cannot play any level of championship Hurling or Football with another team in that year. I am 100% of this rule in Ireland and UK
so johnny plays intermwdiate for say athy for talks sake and plays the league and pre season and can transfer to crettyard for example to pkay laois championship? No rules broken?
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on January 31, 2017, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2017, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on January 31, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2017, 08:20:26 AM
How does it work with hurling and football? If a player plays in a competition and then transfers he is allowed finish out the competitions he started before the transfer. What if he played 1st round league and cship football with a club and then transferred. Could he play hurling league and championship with new club while also finishing league and cship football with previous club. Not sure who this would apply to but just curious if there is any rule against it?
He can play league and championship for two different clubs at the same time, as was the case with Ballyea forward Niall Deasy who played a Munster final one week in 2016 and a Dublin league final the following for his other club. He transferred to Dublin, and then back before playing championship, but had played league and was eligible to continue playing in that competition.
The answer is no, if you play championship of any description in either code you cannot play with a second club in championship that year. However should you play league or cup competition with another club you can play championship in the same year as they are not seen as been the same competition. Thus you can play league or Kelly cup in Laois and then go on and transfer and play championship hurling or football in another county. However if you go and play championship junior c hurling in April you cannot play any level of championship Hurling or Football with another team in that year. I am 100% of this rule in Ireland and UK
You have explained that well in fairness.
However this means that under GAA rules senior hurling c'ship in Cork is the same competition as junior b football championship in Fermanagh when the 2 are in no way linked. The teams could never play each other.
In other games such as soccer or rugby you can be cup tied by playing in a competition with a club before joining a different club who compete in the same competition.
This makes sense as a player playing in the same competition for two clubs would skew results and therefore be unfair.
What is the GAA rationale for pretending these competitions are linked in some way? Is it merely to keep players tied to one club for football and hurling.
If that is the case why can players play hurling and football for different clubs within a county?
On a related point, if you can only play c'ship in one county in one year then how can UCC and CIT students play Cork c'ship and c'ship in their home county in the same year?
What rule governs this?
GAA realy has some fascinatingly complicated rules.
On the Leinster GAA website, I see James Hilliard (Mountmellick) is going to St Marcas.
I'm away from the scene for a few weeks and am wondering if any transfers were granted. I know a few from junior clubs were looking to transfer to senior clubs.
Quote from: The Monument Road on February 01, 2017, 12:24:16 PM
I'm away from the scene for a few weeks and am wondering if any transfers were granted. I know a few from junior clubs were looking to transfer to senior clubs.
Laois has no transfer by law. No internal transfer can be granted until the fudge by our executive at the co convention is corrected.
Quote from: Bueller on February 01, 2017, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: The Monument Road on February 01, 2017, 12:24:16 PM
I'm away from the scene for a few weeks and am wondering if any transfers were granted. I know a few from junior clubs were looking to transfer to senior clubs.
Laois has no transfer by law. No internal transfer can be granted until the fudge by our executive at the co convention is corrected.
I've seen you quote that a few times Bueller. Can you explain.
Isnt there an embargo on all transfers within the County until the whole Rural to Urban Club (Portlaoise)issue is resolved?.
Yes there is an embargo in place . However also included in the terms and conditions of this 'embargo are many loopholes that have been obviously targeted .
Did the Transfer of Quinlan from Kyle to B/K go through after?
Quote from: les Antiques on February 01, 2017, 01:58:14 PM
Yes there is an embargo in place . However also included in the terms and conditions of this 'embargo are many loopholes that have been obviously targeted .
Will be interesting to see if any club or player will test said embargo
Quote from: Goku on February 01, 2017, 02:27:33 PM
Did the Transfer of Quinlan from Kyle to B/K go through after?
Deadline has been extended until March apparently
Special Convention is scheduled for this evening, Wednesday, at 8pm sharp, with representation the same as County Committee at one person per Club. Motion for discussion has been already circulated. It is important to note that our Byelaws will not be approved at Central Council until we comply with DRA directive on our Transfer Byelaws, so if this motion is not passed, we must redraft and put before a further Special Convention. As a consequence no Transfers or Attachment to First Clubs will be dealt with until our Byelaws are approved by Central Council.
From the County Board in the last 2 hours
Quote from: Goku on February 01, 2017, 02:27:33 PM
Did the Transfer of Quinlan from Kyle to B/K go through after?
Kyle denied his transfer along with Adrian Kelly who wants to go back to his home club in Ballinahinch in Tipperary which is quite bitter considering its his home club
Heard that from a member of B/K at work
I reckon meeting tonight will sort out byelaws. As regards home club, players can always go back to it. Don't think Kyle can stop that.
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 01, 2017, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: Goku on February 01, 2017, 02:27:33 PM
Did the Transfer of Quinlan from Kyle to B/K go through after?
Kyle denied his transfer along with Adrian Kelly who wants to go back to his home club in Ballinahinch in Tipperary which is quite bitter considering its his home club
Heard that from a member of B/K at work
The word "denied" is misleading here. No club can "deny" any transfer. They can "object", the transfer then goes to a hearing involving the County Board, the player and both clubs involved in the transfer. If there is a case for the transfer (i.e. if it fits within the criteria for which transfers can be granted) then the "objection" will be thrown out.
As regards Kelly returning to his home club, there is no way to stop somebody returning to their "Home Club/First Club", and residency etc is not required. This is particularly the case when transferring between two different counties. This would be my reading of Rule 6.6 (B). On page 72 here (http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/TheGAA/RulesandRegulations/12/19/54/2015OfficialGuide-Part1_English.pdf)
Overall, Kyle have been "robbed" of many talented players through the years, going back as far as Kieran Carey in the 1950s. Other prominent out migrators include Arien Delaney and Darren Gilmartin.
Many clubs have a policy of objecting to all outward transfers. Sometimes players blink when faced with the prospect of a "hearing" and don't fancy the hassle. The player will often end up togging out for the team they wanted to leave a few months later. All is forgiven.
This policy of "objecting to all" also means nobody feels hard done by or personally targeted.
If Kyle operate this policy it is hard to blame them! Survival is at stake.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 01, 2017, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 01, 2017, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: Goku on February 01, 2017, 02:27:33 PM
Did the Transfer of Quinlan from Kyle to B/K go through after?
Kyle denied his transfer along with Adrian Kelly who wants to go back to his home club in Ballinahinch in Tipperary which is quite bitter considering its his home club
Heard that from a member of B/K at work
The word "denied" is misleading here. No club can "deny" any transfer. They can "object", the transfer then goes to a hearing involving the County Board, the player and both clubs involved in the transfer. If there is a case for the transfer (i.e. if it fits within the criteria for which transfers can be granted) then the "objection" will be thrown out.
As regards Kelly returning to his home club, there is no way to stop somebody returning to their "Home Club/First Club", and residency etc is not required. This is particularly the case when transferring between two different counties. This would be my reading of Rule 6.6 (B). On page 72 here (http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/TheGAA/RulesandRegulations/12/19/54/2015OfficialGuide-Part1_English.pdf)
Overall, Kyle have been "robbed" of many talented players through the years, going back as far as Kieran Carey in the 1950s. Other prominent out migrators include Arien Delaney and Darren Gilmartin.
Many clubs have a policy of objecting to all outward transfers. Sometimes players blink when faced with the prospect of a "hearing" and don't fancy the hassle. The player will often end up togging out for the team they wanted to leave a few months later. All is forgiven.
This policy of "objecting to all" also means nobody feels hard done by or personally targeted.
If Kyle operate this policy it is hard to blame them! Survival is at stake.
Okay then it went to vote and was objected to
They have had talented hurlers through the years there is no doubt about it but as someone above stated maybe it is time they spend tge time and energy they use objecting to transfers of lads who get cheesed off because nobody goes training and turns up to matches when it comes to championship and work on amalgamating to secure good training and a competitive team for every hurler
Because Kyle object to all transfers very few ever return. The other half of the parish Knock allow their players transfer mostly to Roscrea to play Senior Hurling and most return and play for Knock for many years after .
Quote from: HURLING1 on February 01, 2017, 07:13:44 PM
Because Kyle object to all transfers very few ever return. The other half of the parish Knock allow their players transfer mostly to Roscrea to play Senior Hurling and most return and play for Knock for many years after .
Yes that is true, The Flynns, Joe Caroll and the davies and ryans have all pledged to return to knock by the time they are 30
HurlingMad and Hurling1 alot of yer posts concern Kyle, maybe ye should get together and come up with a proposal to show them the way! Should be easy organise a meet up :D
There is no great work in "objecting" to any outward transfer and putting the onus on the player moving to provide a case as to why he should move.
I, for one, don't agree with the Knock method of allowing players to feck off and play with another club during their best days, and to be welcomed back with open arms after. That is not ok in my book. Being a feeder club for your bigger neighbour and welcoming back the scraps later on in their career.
Kyle play in Laois, there is nobody obvious for them to amalgamate with in Laois due to their location. Neither Camross nor Borris Kilcotton would entertain an "amalgamation". Why would they?
Moving counties is a massive decision and one that very few clubs would actually take. I don't think they should be castigated for not doing this.
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 01, 2017, 07:19:05 PM
Yes that is true, The Flynns, Joe Caroll and the davies and ryans have all pledged to return to knock by the time they are 30
That is nice of them!
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 01, 2017, 07:24:36 PM
HurlingMad and Hurling1 alot of yer posts concern Kyle, maybe ye should get together and come up with a proposal to show them the way! Should be easy organise a meet up :D
There is no great work in "objecting" to any outward transfer and putting the onus on the player moving to provide a case as to why he should move.
I, for one, don't agree with the Knock method of allowing players to feck off and play with another club during their best days, and to be welcomed back with open arms after. That is not ok in my book. Being a feeder club for your bigger neighbour and welcoming back the scraps later on in their career.
Kyle play in Laois, there is nobody obvious for them to amalgamate with in Laois due to their location. Neither Camross nor Borris Kilcotton would entertain an "amalgamation". Why would they?
Moving counties is a massive decision and one that very few clubs would actually take. I don't think they should be castigated for not doing this.
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 01, 2017, 07:19:05 PM
Yes that is true, The Flynns, Joe Caroll and the davies and ryans have all pledged to return to knock by the time they are 30
That is nice of them!
I dont know where you get your keyboard agressivness from, but manners sure dont cost a lot, I however dont wish you any badness, God bless
A discussion about a known transfer on a club transfer forum that happens to be about Kyle. And if hurling1 and and Kyle lads would like to meet up, I will be in ianos friday having a nice cold pint if they would like to join me ;)
Keyser we're not trying to tell ye how to run things in Kyle just to point out there are other ways. Fair play with your memory going back to Kieran Carey., one of the most decorated hurlers in the country.
Quote from: HURLING1 on February 01, 2017, 08:27:55 PM
Keyser we're not trying to tell ye how to run things in Kyle just to point out there are other ways. Fair play with your memory going back to Kieran Carey., one of the most decorated hurlers in the country.
And hes son plays corner back for knock, he is dangerous on the field but literally a gentleman off it
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 01, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 01, 2017, 07:24:36 PM
HurlingMad and Hurling1 alot of yer posts concern Kyle, maybe ye should get together and come up with a proposal to show them the way! Should be easy organise a meet up :D
There is no great work in "objecting" to any outward transfer and putting the onus on the player moving to provide a case as to why he should move.
I, for one, don't agree with the Knock method of allowing players to feck off and play with another club during their best days, and to be welcomed back with open arms after. That is not ok in my book. Being a feeder club for your bigger neighbour and welcoming back the scraps later on in their career.
Kyle play in Laois, there is nobody obvious for them to amalgamate with in Laois due to their location. Neither Camross nor Borris Kilcotton would entertain an "amalgamation". Why would they?
Moving counties is a massive decision and one that very few clubs would actually take. I don't think they should be castigated for not doing this.
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 01, 2017, 07:19:05 PM
Yes that is true, The Flynns, Joe Caroll and the davies and ryans have all pledged to return to knock by the time they are 30
That is nice of them!
I dont know where you get your keyboard agressivness from, but manners sure dont cost a lot, I however dont wish you any badness, God bless
A discussion about a known transfer on a club transfer forum that happens to be about Kyle. And if hurling1 and and Kyle lads would like to meet up, I will be in ianos friday having a nice cold pint if they would like to join me ;)
Point out the bad manners :o
And stop pretending to be two different posters ;D
Silly season for another few weeks if motion went through last night. Never seen as much talk of transfers and amalgamation lamas much as this year. Interesting weeks ahead.
Quote from: Helix on February 02, 2017, 09:32:19 AM
Silly season for another few weeks if motion went through last night. Never seen as much talk of transfers and amalgamation lamas much as this year. Interesting weeks ahead.
What motions are they putting through? What is it all about?
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
I see Adrian Kelly is gone back to home club in Tipp. On gaa transfers live list.
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 21, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
Scaremongering at its finest but haven't seen many intercounty lads at junior b level. I'm sure a few wise heads on this forum may tell me otherwise.
Quote from: Helix on February 21, 2017, 09:27:09 PM
I see Adrian Kelly is gone back to home club in Tipp. On gaa transfers live list.
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 21, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
Scaremongering at its finest but haven't seen many intercounty lads at junior b level. I'm sure a few wise heads on this forum may tell me otherwise.
Yes thats true, I dont know about junior b but was carrick riveratown junior a when ger oakley played for offaly?
Ben Conroy Junior A
I know junior I was curious to see anyone below that.
I think Ben Conroy went in from a senior club to intercounty hurling.
Maybe Slieve Margy will provide a hurler or two from the junior grade in a few years iff they stay going. Already providing hurlers to underage panels.
Quote from: redsetanta on February 21, 2017, 10:00:08 PM
Maybe Slieve Margy will provide a hurler or two from the junior grade in a few years iff they stay going. Already providing hurlers to underage panels.
The gaels route with ballinakill at senior is ideal to give the slieve Margy lads a chance. I really hope the club stays afloat in the long term and gets the right supports to sustain it!
Brilliant opportunity for the Slieve Mary lads, massive step to Senior and would be great if one could make senior panel
Was
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 21, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
He was backed up by ballypickas as well to be fair, realistically if castletown and slieve bloom not joined would ben conroy have played senior, a lot of lads dont like the gales teams but it provides an oppurtunity for players from junior clubs, for instance donnacha harnett was one of the best players in senior b last year, would not suprise me if a kevin bergin, an mj lalor or cillian mcevoy did likewise this year
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 21, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
Autistic?
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 11:07:38 PM
WasQuote from: hurlingmad on February 21, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
He was backed up by ballypickas as well to be fair, realistically if castletown and slieve bloom not joined would ben conroy have played senior, a lot of lads dont like the gales teams but it provides an oppurtunity for players from junior clubs, for instance donnacha harnett was one of the best players in senior b last year, would not suprise me if a kevin bergin, an mj lalor or cillian mcevoy did likewise this year
Those 3 you mentioned have senior B hurling this year. Whether they use it to their benefit is up to them. These gaels shouldn't just to please single players but as weaker clubs aswell and bring lads on collectively.
what a shame we hear that slieve bloom did not go along with ballinakill in gaels it would benefit a lot of players ie conroy for county level gaels is the only way forward then keeping your own club a flot
I don't understand why Kyle are making such a fuss now, they have gone along before with Arien Delaney & Darren Gilmartin to Camross, James maher to Roscrea all of whom were there best hurlers at the time, & they benefit more than most with fella's from Roscrea, coolderry etc transferring into them.
At the end of the day it comes down to this young fella wanting to hurl at a higher level, with a team he's hurled with from u12 upwards, what will happen now is he won't hurl at all.
Lads seem to have missed that he was referring to recent years. And its not to say he didn't bring it up before now, its merely being reported on now. The media don't go to every county board meeting, and after the last few days, I doubt they'll be let in to another one any time soon.
Kyle GAA delegate Mark Delaney informed the meeting that one of their players, who he did not name, was part of a Laois panel in recent years, when he was told by a selector he was "at nothing with a Junior 'B' club if he wanted to play for Laois."
Quote from: Ogie on February 22, 2017, 02:35:02 PM
I don't understand why Kyle are making such a fuss now, they have gone along before with Arien Delaney & Darren Gilmartin to Camross, James maher to Roscrea all of whom were there best hurlers at the time, & they benefit more than most with fella's from Roscrea, coolderry etc transferring into them.
At the end of the day it comes down to this young fella wanting to hurl at a higher level, with a team he's hurled with from u12 upwards, what will happen now is he won't hurl at all.
There was a time at least half of the team was from Roscrea. A policy of accept anyone but let nobody leave is not the way to do things.
I agree with a comment above that a gaels amalgamation shouldnt happen to please one player, They were joined with Trumera last year and threw a hissy fit when there wasnt enough kyle players playing even though 3-5 kyle lads was the maximum that ever bothered to turn up training, blamed Anthony Coffey for being a b@llix and now want some senior team to sacrifice the prestige of playing in the provincial championships for one player...yeah poor kyle
Do these gales teams generally train together the entire time or do they only get together occasionally or how do they work, ive heard that colt and clonad train seperately but shanahoe and ballypickas are training together
Shanahoe and ballypickas pooled resources together and have same trainer. Doubt it's the norm Clonad and colt train separately. Each club to their own I've no experience of gaels set ups.
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 22, 2017, 06:18:37 PM
Quote from: Ogie on February 22, 2017, 02:35:02 PM
I don't understand why Kyle are making such a fuss now, they have gone along before with Arien Delaney & Darren Gilmartin to Camross, James maher to Roscrea all of whom were there best hurlers at the time, & they benefit more than most with fella's from Roscrea, coolderry etc transferring into them.
At the end of the day it comes down to this young fella wanting to hurl at a higher level, with a team he's hurled with from u12 upwards, what will happen now is he won't hurl at all.
There was a time at least half of the team was from Roscrea. A policy of accept anyone but let nobody leave is not the way to do things.
I agree with a comment above that a gaels amalgamation shouldnt happen to please one player, They were joined with Trumera last year and threw a hissy fit when there wasnt enough kyle players playing even though 3-5 kyle lads was the maximum that ever bothered to turn up training, blamed Anthony Coffey for being a b@llix and now want some senior team to sacrifice the prestige of playing in the provincial championships for one player...yeah poor kyle
Please explain your autistic comment from earlier.
I don't blame Kyle for "requesting a hearing" regarding any transfers out.
If the players in question meet the criteria to get a transfer, they will get it whether Kyle "object" or not. If they don't, they won't.
Quote from: Don Draper on February 21, 2017, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 21, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
Autistic?
He might have meant artistic? Autocorrect? Typo?
Quote from: SCFC on February 23, 2017, 08:34:20 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 21, 2017, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 21, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
Autistic?
He might have meant artistic? Autocorrect? Typo?
It doesn't correct to or from artistic on my phone.
Transfers Byelaws had been approved by National Byelaws Committee last Thursday and now required ratification by Central Council prior to Congress this weekend. In the event of these being ratified, all transfer applications will be circulated next Monday 27 Februaryand processed in accordance with Rule the following week.
Anyone know what the changes made were?
Quote from: Don Draper on February 23, 2017, 08:53:49 AM
Quote from: SCFC on February 23, 2017, 08:34:20 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 21, 2017, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 21, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
Autistic?
He might have meant artistic? Autocorrect? Typo?
It doesn't correct to or from artistic on my phone.
Hi Don, sorry but i did mean artistic, nokia lumia is the phone i have and it auto corrects, i didnt proof read the comment and i also have a brother with autism and merely meant ut was a created work of fiction. Apoligies for seeming to imply otherwise.
To stay on topic, Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois Seniors after his performances in the u21..he didnt go citing that he wasnt ready. Had mark delaneys allegstion been true he wouldnt of been asked.
Knowing Owen Coss he would not put tell a hurler from a small club to leave when they are struggling.
Quote from: Don Draper on February 23, 2017, 09:19:04 AM
Transfers Byelaws had been approved by National Byelaws Committee last Thursday and now required ratification by Central Council prior to Congress this weekend. In the event of these being ratified, all transfer applications will be circulated next Monday 27 Februaryand processed in accordance with Rule the following week.
Anyone know what the changes made were?
There'll be some craic next week in clubs around the county so.
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 23, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 23, 2017, 08:53:49 AM
Quote from: SCFC on February 23, 2017, 08:34:20 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 21, 2017, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 21, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 21, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/236410/county-selector-allegedly-told-player-to-leave-club-to-remain-on-laois-panel.html
Hardly a shock but not right all the same
Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois senior panel pre season and opted not to himself. This seems to be an autistic work of fiction by Mark Delaney
Autistic?
He might have meant artistic? Autocorrect? Typo?
It doesn't correct to or from artistic on my phone.
Hi Don, sorry but i did mean artistic, nokia lumia is the phone i have and it auto corrects, i didnt proof read the comment and i also have a brother with autism and merely meant ut was a created work of fiction. Apoligies for seeming to imply otherwise.
To stay on topic, Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois Seniors after his performances in the u21..he didnt go citing that he wasnt ready. Had mark delaneys allegstion been true he wouldnt of been asked.
Knowing Owen Coss he would not put tell a hurler from a small club to leave when they are struggling.
I'll take you at your word.
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 23, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
To stay on topic, Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois Seniors after his performances in the u21..he didnt go citing that he wasnt ready. Had mark delaneys allegstion been true he wouldnt of been asked.
Knowing Owen Coss he would not put tell a hurler from a small club to leave when they are struggling.
I don't think it was suggested that any of the current management made this remark? If I was to hazard a guess though, I'd say it came from a former U21 management member from a neighbouring club of Conors.
But let's be realistic, "tapping" up of players happens all over the place.
There are a number of vested interests here;
1) The County Board- who don't seem to want to get too involved. They need to tidy things up. Examples being the Portlaoise/DRA thing and also the Gaels amalgamations they allowed through. They have promised to do both.
I also note that they have pledged to help Kyle draft a motion to bring to congress next year that would allow these "Gaels" teams compete at provincial level. This won't be successful, and I don't think it should be. I'd be very sympathetic to the likes of Kyle, BUT, while this change might suit clubs like Kyle it would seriously compromise the integrity of the club championships.
2) The smaller clubs around the county. These are entitled to continue as separate entities for as long as they wish to. They are also entitled to question any proposed outward transfers. Why wouldn't they. They have a duty to their own club first, not to strengthen their more illustrious neighbours.
3) The bigger clubs around the county. These clubs are entitled to want the shot at provincial championship glory should they win a county final. They are also more than entitled to accept players who wish to transfer in.
4) The juvenile situation.......To repeat myself, being allowed to hop into bed with whoever you want at the various age grades is not what the GAA is based upon. It creates unfair advantages and also threatens the long term viability of individual club units.
To sort out some of the mess, some of the following;
1) Clamp down and introduce stricter guidelines for juvenile join ups. All in at every grade OR in exceptional circumstances join at a one off grade with a club from the same catchment area/locality. I travelling across clubs to join with another club, you should need to provide proof that each of the clubs you crossed over rejected your approach. Obviously this would need to be tidier.
The objective should be to get the optimum number of juvenile units, functioning as strong "clubs", not a strong "team" simply because you cobbled together the best of 3/4 clubs.
There is no future in the strong "team" approach", strong "clubs" are what's needed.
2) When the juvenile system above is up and running, the CB should be active in going out and meeting the adult clubs involved in these juvenile amalgams. Have frank and open discussions with them, outlining possible options as regards a similar arrangement at adult level.
Nobody is forcing anyone to join up at adult level. But there should be a "gentle forcing" of this at juvenile level. Based around the basic idea of (whisper it) what we used to call "parish". It doesn't have to be (whisper it) restricted to parish. But it should be "geographically logical" and "numerically logical".
If we managed to reach a situation where there were long term stable units at juvenile level, we'd be along the way to the same at adult level.
On the hurling side of things there are some very stable juvenile arrangements;
1) Borris Kilcotton
2) Rathdowney Errill
3) Castletown Slieve Bloom
4) Rosenallis
5) The Harps
6) Portlaoise
7) Abbeyleix
Hopefully now Raheen Parish Gaels join them there- St Fintan's would have been on that list.
There are probably more than the above also.
Then there are a few that are mostly stable!
8 ) Clough Ballacolla
9) Camross
8&9 here have been known to jump in with neighbours- see the bedhoppers below.
Then there are those striving for stability like
10) Ballinakill.
Then you have the bedhoppers-
11) Mountrath
12) Ballyfin
13) Clonaslee
14) Mountmellick
15) Park Ratheniska
8,9 and 10 above would/will join the 1-7 easily enough.
11-15 need to be coaxed into deciding they have the numbers to go it alone, or else commit to somebody.
Ballypickas, Kyle and Trumera are probably going to find it difficult to find anyone to accommodate them on equal terms.
Bit of a ramble, but until the juvenile end of things is given more stability, the adult end of things will never have it, and contentious transfers will always be on the agenda.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 23, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 23, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
To stay on topic, Conor Quinlan was asked up to the Laois Seniors after his performances in the u21..he didnt go citing that he wasnt ready. Had mark delaneys allegstion been true he wouldnt of been asked.
Knowing Owen Coss he would not put tell a hurler from a small club to leave when they are struggling.
I don't think it was suggested that any of the current management made this remark? If I was to hazard a guess though, I'd say it came from a former U21 management member from a neighbouring club of Conors.
But let's be realistic, "tapping" up of players happens all over the place.
There are a number of vested interests here;
1) The County Board- who don't seem to want to get too involved. They need to tidy things up. Examples being the Portlaoise/DRA thing and also the Gaels amalgamations they allowed through. They have promised to do both.
I also note that they have pledged to help Kyle draft a motion to bring to congress next year that would allow these "Gaels" teams compete at provincial level. This won't be successful, and I don't think it should be. I'd be very sympathetic to the likes of Kyle, BUT, while this change might suit clubs like Kyle it would seriously compromise the integrity of the club championships.
2) The smaller clubs around the county. These are entitled to continue as separate entities for as long as they wish to. They are also entitled to question any proposed outward transfers. Why wouldn't they. They have a duty to their own club first, not to strengthen their more illustrious neighbours.
3) The bigger clubs around the county. These clubs are entitled to want the shot at provincial championship glory should they win a county final. They are also more than entitled to accept players who wish to transfer in.
4) The juvenile situation.......To repeat myself, being allowed to hop into bed with whoever you want at the various age grades is not what the GAA is based upon. It creates unfair advantages and also threatens the long term viability of individual club units.
To sort out some of the mess, some of the following;
1) Clamp down and introduce stricter guidelines for juvenile join ups. All in at every grade OR in exceptional circumstances join at a one off grade with a club from the same catchment area/locality. I travelling across clubs to join with another club, you should need to provide proof that each of the clubs you crossed over rejected your approach. Obviously this would need to be tidier.
The objective should be to get the optimum number of juvenile units, functioning as strong "clubs", not a strong "team" simply because you cobbled together the best of 3/4 clubs.
There is no future in the strong "team" approach", strong "clubs" are what's needed.
2) When the juvenile system above is up and running, the CB should be active in going out and meeting the adult clubs involved in these juvenile amalgams. Have frank and open discussions with them, outlining possible options as regards a similar arrangement at adult level.
Nobody is forcing anyone to join up at adult level. But there should be a "gentle forcing" of this at juvenile level. Based around the basic idea of (whisper it) what we used to call "parish". It doesn't have to be (whisper it) restricted to parish. But it should be "geographically logical" and "numerically logical".
If we managed to reach a situation where there were long term stable units at juvenile level, we'd be along the way to the same at adult level.
On the hurling side of things there are some very stable juvenile arrangements;
1) Borris Kilcotton
2) Rathdowney Errill
3) Castletown Slieve Bloom
4) Rosenallis
5) The Harps
6) Portlaoise
7) Abbeyleix
Hopefully now Raheen Parish Gaels join them there- St Fintan's would have been on that list.
There are probably more than the above also.
Then there are a few that are mostly stable!
8 ) Clough Ballacolla
9) Camross
8&9 here have been known to jump in with neighbours- see the bedhoppers below.
Then there are those striving for stability like
10) Ballinakill.
Then you have the bedhoppers-
11) Mountrath
12) Ballyfin
13) Clonaslee
14) Mountmellick
15) Park Ratheniska
8,9 and 10 above would/will join the 1-7 easily enough.
11-15 need to be coaxed into deciding they have the numbers to go it alone, or else commit to somebody.
Ballypickas, Kyle and Trumera are probably going to find it difficult to find anyone to accommodate them on equal terms.
Bit of a ramble, but until the juvenile end of things is given more stability, the adult end of things will never have it, and contentious transfers will always be on the agenda.
For i am only guessing myself and id like to rectify that i dont know who allegedly said what either and i agree with every other word about stability instead of these short marriges
From last nights CB meeting
All Underage Independent Teams and Amalgamations were approved for 2017, although two different concerns were raised insofar as Portarlington delegate believed where Clubs enter into Independent Team alliances that they should commit to this alliance from U12 to 21, whereas Camross delegate wondered the long term values of Independent Teams and should new competition formats and structures be explored with 11 and 13 a side competitions with a view to all Clubs fielding independently in competitions. Debate ensued on the merits of both suggestions, with population decline in several of our rural clubs dictating what they affiliate.
Big transfer in Portlaoise: Manhatten mixer has left the Blue door (old Egan's) to move to coppers. Happy Tuesday ;D
Did anyone hear anything from the transfers last night if they went through.
Quote from: border on February 28, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Did anyone hear anything from the transfers last night if they went through.
Surely have tonne distributed to clubs to either accept or object first?
Quote from: border on February 28, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Did anyone hear anything from the transfers last night if they went through.
Heard nothing more than a rumor and i have to stress that it mightnt/probably isnt true but heard that Ben Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise and the club are giving him the relevelant documents like address etc...
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 28, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: border on February 28, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Did anyone hear anything from the transfers last night if they went through.
Heard nothing more than a rumor and i have to stress that it mightnt/probably isnt true but heard that Ben Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise and the club are giving him the relevelant documents like address etc...
Heard this a few weeks ago myself
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 28, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 28, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: border on February 28, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Did anyone hear anything from the transfers last night if they went through.
Heard nothing more than a rumor and i have to stress that it mightnt/probably isnt true but heard that Ben Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise and the club are giving him the relevelant documents like address etc...
Heard this a few weeks ago myself
Very bad form if there is any truth to it, hopefully not
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 28, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 28, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 28, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: border on February 28, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Did anyone hear anything from the transfers last night if they went through.
Heard nothing more than a rumor and i have to stress that it mightnt/probably isnt true but heard that Ben Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise and the club are giving him the relevelant documents like address etc...
Heard this a few weeks ago myself
Very bad form if there is any truth to it, hopefully not
I could have picked you up wrong, but were you not complaining about Kyle objecting to transfer/standing in the way of players moving? And praising the approach that Knock took in allowing players to leave?
I'd be interested to know what you see different about this potential move?
I'm not defending or attacking Kyle, Slieve Bloom, Knock or Portlaoise here- just wondering. Maybe I have picked you up wrong.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 28, 2017, 07:54:12 PM
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Did anyone hear anything from the transfers last night if they went through.
Heard nothing more than a rumor and i have to stress that it mightnt/probably isnt true but heard that Ben Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise and the club are giving him the relevelant documents like address etc...
Heard this a few weeks ago myself
Very bad form if there is any truth to it, hopefully not
I could have picked you up wrong, but were you not complaining about Kyle objecting to transfer/standing in the way of players moving? And praising the approach that Knock took in allowing players to leave?
I'd be interested to know what you see different about this potential move?
I'm not defending or attacking Kyle, Slieve Bloom, Knock or Portlaoise here- just wondering. Maybe I have picked you up wrong.
No im not attacking slieve bloom at all, I just heard the usual lark that its a so called dirty transfer with the old esb bill trick. Now as I stated i cannot say there is any truth to it. I dont believe it is the way to go about a transfer especially to a bigger club within your own county. Unless portlaoise did a gaels amalgamation that I didnt hear or read about which i doubt
Id also like to add from a personal point of view as a complete neutral, I cannot understand a player wanting to leave to play senior club hurling when they already play with the county and soon to be intermediate with their club but im not ben conroy or conor quinlan
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 28, 2017, 08:05:22 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 28, 2017, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 28, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 28, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 28, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: border on February 28, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Did anyone hear anything from the transfers last night if they went through.
Heard nothing more than a rumor and i have to stress that it mightnt/probably isnt true but heard that Ben Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise and the club are giving him the relevelant documents like address etc...
Heard this a few weeks ago myself
Very bad form if there is any truth to it, hopefully not
I could have picked you up wrong, but were you not complaining about Kyle objecting to transfer/standing in the way of players moving? And praising the approach that Knock took in allowing players to leave?
I'd be interested to know what you see different about this potential move?
I'm not defending or attacking Kyle, Slieve Bloom, Knock or Portlaoise here- just wondering. Maybe I have picked you up wrong.
No im not attacking slieve bloom at all, I just heard the usual lark that its a so called dirty transfer with the old esb bill trick. Now as I stated i cannot say there is any truth to it. I dont believe it is the way to go about a transfer especially to a bigger club within your own county. Unless portlaoise did a gaels amalgamation that I didnt hear or read about which i doubt
Id also like to add from a personal point of view as a complete neutral, I cannot understand a player wanting to leave to play senior club hurling when they already play with the county and soon to be intermediate with their club but im not ben conroy or conor quinlan
Fair enough, I had interpreted your previous posts as saying that Kyle should allow their better players to leave in order to better themselves, like you or another posted described Knock doing for their players.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 28, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
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Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 28, 2017, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 28, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on February 28, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on February 28, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: border on February 28, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Did anyone hear anything from the transfers last night if they went through.
Heard nothing more than a rumor and i have to stress that it mightnt/probably isnt true but heard that Ben Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise and the club are giving him the relevelant documents like address etc...
Heard this a few weeks ago myself
Very bad form if there is any truth to it, hopefully not
I could have picked you up wrong, but were you not complaining about Kyle objecting to transfer/standing in the way of players moving? And praising the approach that Knock took in allowing players to leave?
I'd be interested to know what you see different about this potential move?
I'm not defending or attacking Kyle, Slieve Bloom, Knock or Portlaoise here- just wondering. Maybe I have picked you up wrong.
No im not attacking slieve bloom at all, I just heard the usual lark that its a so called dirty transfer with the old esb bill trick. Now as I stated i cannot say there is any truth to it. I dont believe it is the way to go about a transfer especially to a bigger club within your own county. Unless portlaoise did a gaels amalgamation that I didnt hear or read about which i doubt
Id also like to add from a personal point of view as a complete neutral, I cannot understand a player wanting to leave to play senior club hurling when they already play with the county and soon to be intermediate with their club but im not ben conroy or conor quinlan
Fair enough, I had interpreted your previous posts as saying that Kyle should allow their better players to leave in order to better themselves, like you or another posted described Knock doing for their players.
I may come across as a bit militant at times but im actually a nice guy 😜 but the real issue i had with kyle is they had the senior b amalgamation with trumera albiet not ideal logistically they didnt give it a chance in a nutshell thats my issue with kyle but otherwise would like to see them survive as it is a lovely little place and thriving community which is vital that a hurling club exists
I think hurling mad it's people like you that spreads bad shit like this it is true that Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise but what you said about portlaoise giving him anything is not true I have it from very good contact that he wanted to play senior hurling and Castletown refused their requests so the only club to offer him that was ballinkill then slieve bloom refused to sign even though they led. Ballinkill on they say that they never wanted to let him play senior what a pity as he loved his club and could play both it is all political I'm told and talking to my contact it might mean the slow down of that club considering they never had a county player before
Quote from: honest hurler on February 28, 2017, 08:51:34 PM
I think hurling mad it's people like you that spreads bad shit like this it is true that Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise but what you said about portlaoise giving him anything is not true I have it from very good contact that he wanted to play senior hurling and Castletown refused their requests so the only club to offer him that was ballinkill then slieve bloom refused to sign even though they led. Ballinkill on they say that they never wanted to let him play senior what a pity as he loved his club and could play both it is all political I'm told and talking to my contact it might mean the slow down of that club considering they never had a county player before
I simply stressed the fact that i couldnt place truth to it, not spreadig rumor as fact at all.
Portlaoise poaching another player. The gloves are off in the town. I wonder will they take this one to the DRA. Disappointed in cheddar. For shame.
Quote from: honest hurler on February 28, 2017, 08:51:34 PM
I think hurling mad it's people like you that spreads bad shit like this it is true that Conroy is looking to go to portlaoise but what you said about portlaoise giving him anything is not true I have it from very good contact that he wanted to play senior hurling and Castletown refused their requests so the only club to offer him that was ballinkill then slieve bloom refused to sign even though they led. Ballinkill on they say that they never wanted to let him play senior what a pity as he loved his club and could play both it is all political I'm told and talking to my contact it might mean the slow down of that club considering they never had a county player before
I presume Ballinakill were offering Senior hurling to all Slieve Bloom players? Or was it just Ben Conroy?
Funny wording you chose!
And you do realise that you have listed Slieve Bloom as your club on your profile here?!
I'd say your contact is pretty good alright!
Quote from: Bueller on February 28, 2017, 10:36:22 PM
Portlaoise poaching another player. The gloves are off in the town. I wonder will they take this one to the DRA. Disappointed in cheddar. For shame.
Who did they poach?
as i have said conroy was not the only player that ballinkill wanted they were looking for a complete gaels all players i am told and neutral gerseys they were giving just slieve bloom were afraid of the offer it might spark off a problem with castletown whom i hear now could not care less also i am told that the slieve bloom chairman wanted to contact his county board delegate at the county board meeting to confirm the gaels with ballinakill but he refused to accept his call so whats going on just facts from a very good friend within
Quote from: honest hurler on March 01, 2017, 01:02:13 PM
as i have said conroy was not the only player that ballinkill wanted they were looking for a complete gaels all players i am told and neutral gerseys they were giving just slieve bloom were afraid of the offer it might spark off a problem with castletown whom i hear now could not care less also i am told that the slieve bloom chairman wanted to contact his county board delegate at the county board meeting to confirm the gaels with ballinakill but he refused to accept his call so whats going on just facts from a very good friend within
Well I'm dizzy after reading that.
Well don we should always try to tell tell the truth on this site and what I have said is the truth within slieve bloom all the players wanted was a chance to play senior hurling and stay with their club I would say to people to try and get the facts before putting pen to paper these are truth from my contact within
Quote from: honest hurler on March 01, 2017, 01:44:24 PM
Well don we should always try to tell tell the truth on this site and what I have said is the truth within slieve bloom all the players wanted was a chance to play senior hurling and stay with their club I would say to people to try and get the facts before putting pen to paper these are truth from my contact within
"Your contact". Straight away, you're basing everything on second hand information.
Give over will you.
If Slieve Bloom put their mind to it, they'd nearly win the Intermediate, and they'd get all the 'senior' hurling they wanted then.
Quote from: burdizzo on March 01, 2017, 02:12:53 PM
If Slieve Bloom put their mind to it, they'd nearly win the Intermediate, and they'd get all the 'senior' hurling they wanted then.
if they had he who shall not be named they could certainly give it a go, ballacolla to take up where they left off for me though, rosenallis were way too strong for that grade
In Kerry all players have access to Senior football,without transferring from their home clubs. We need similar access in 5 his county.
Regardless of weather they have the conroys or not (i heard the brother also wants to go) i doubt they would win inter, while they won the championship handy enough they were very lucky to beat a ballypickas team reliant on a few players in the league final, and were well bet the year before by ballacolla. Having said that its a very open championship so you never know
JUST in reply to you Don my facts are very true and if you ever want to meet up then you will clearly see O
My "contacts" tell me that ye were playing Ballinakill and Castletown off each other and ended up with neither!
You'd need to be very well connected to know all of the following!
1) How Slieve Bloom club dealt with it
2) What all of the players within Slieve Bloom wanted
3) The phone habits of the Slieve Bloom Chairman and Delegate
4) What exactly Ballinakill were "offering"
5) How Castletown feel about the whole thing!
Reports here and elsewhere of funny goings on at the CB meeting dealing with Gaels teams, where the Slieve Bloom and Ballinakill Delegates clashed as regards what was/wasn't agreed to!
I happened to be at the CB meeting 2/3 years ago when there was confusion over whether Slieve Bloom and Castletown were still together or separating! In the end the meeting agreed to give them more time to sort it out!
The incident I witnessed was comical! The more recent one sounds just as bad!
I imagine Cheddar will force the Ben Conroy transfer through by saying he is living in Portlaoise. Other transfers put forward are: Kevin Bergin from Clonad to Colt, Conor Quinlan from Kyle to B/K,Martin Scully from B/pickas to Abbeyleix, Rob Foyle from Timahoe to B/kill.
Kevin Bergin one rejected, the foyle one withdrawn and as far as I know heard scully going to Australia.
Quote from: TheGiantSquid on March 01, 2017, 05:32:55 PM
I imagine Cheddar will force the Ben Conroy transfer through by saying he is living in Portlaoise. Other transfers put forward are: Kevin Bergin from Clonad to Colt, Conor Quinlan from Kyle to B/K,Martin Scully from B/pickas to Abbeyleix, Rob Foyle from Timahoe to B/kill.
That would have been mad! Considering they were playing together as a Gaels team!
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Quote from: TheGiantSquid on March 01, 2017, 05:32:55 PM
I imagine Cheddar will force the Ben Conroy transfer through by saying he is living in Portlaoise. Other transfers put forward are: Kevin Bergin from Clonad to Colt, Conor Quinlan from Kyle to B/K,Martin Scully from B/pickas to Abbeyleix, Rob Foyle from Timahoe to B/kill.
That would have been mad! Considering they were playing together as a Gaels team!
Interesting that it was put forward in the first place mind you
I don't know how the Kevin Bergin transfer request could be refused seeing as they won't be adjudicated on until next Monday. Clubs had until today to lodge formal, written objections.
Quote from: TP Ashe on March 01, 2017, 08:13:51 PM
I don't know how the Kevin Bergin transfer request could be refused seeing as they won't be adjudicated on until next Monday. Clubs had until today to lodge formal, written objections.
Sorry objection I meant
Transfer decisions due to be emailed out to clubs this morning.
Final hearings last night, the Slieve bloom player to Portlaoise move looks to be getting the green light after a Portlaoise address was produced!!!
Slieve Bloom transfer to Portlaoise was refused
Barrowhouse to St Josephs refused also.
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Slieve Bloom transfer to Portlaoise was refused
Only right!
What is the criteria for refusing a transfer?
Quote from: High Fielder on March 07, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
What is the criteria for refusing a transfer?
Depends on the reason for requesting the transfer.
Conor Quinlan's transfer turned down as well I hear.
So what happens next so if a person doesn't hurl with club for a year? Are they granted a transfer or just tied down unless an intercounty transfer. There was about 4-5 Kyle transfer requests (not sure if underage players). Hopefully Kyle can stay afloat.
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Quote from: High Fielder on March 07, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
What is the criteria for refusing a transfer?
Depends on the reason for requesting the transfer.
There is a bit of a black art associated with transfers up and down the country and Laois is no different. Normally within the county the Co Board favours the current club which is understandable but that's not always the case as happened with a few high profile requests down Arles way a few years back. I note Kevin Bergin did not get his transfer either. The Daly request from Barrowhouse to St Josephs was also turned down. All of this fine provided that the Co Board are consistent in their approach.
i suppose we all blame the player for moving camp but really you would want to know the reason behind a player like quinlan and conroy moving from i suppose the clubs they looked up to from under age there is no winners in this
Interesting to turn down transfers IF an address was produced and proof of residence there (whether real or not!). I can't see how you can be stopped from moving to hurl with the club where you reside!
Not saying I agree with these or any transfers internally, especially in a small county like Laois where distance is rarely an issue.
Also the "standing down for one year" is a myth. Your club is your club and remains so until such time as you are granted a transfer.
You can transfer out of the county easily enough.
But if you wish to return to that county within 2 years you must go back to the club you came from!
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 07, 2017, 05:26:05 PM
Interesting to turn down transfers IF an address was produced and proof of residence there (whether real or not!). I can't see how you can be stopped from moving to hurl with the club where you reside!
Not saying I agree with these or any transfers internally, especially in a small county like Laois where distance is rarely an issue.
Also the "standing down for one year" is a myth. Your club is your club and remains so until such time as you are granted a transfer.
You can transfer out of the county easily enough.
But if you wish to return to that county within 2 years you must go back to the club you came from!
Lower Ballyadams is a lovely spot I hear
Martin Scullys was also refused i hear
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Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 07, 2017, 05:26:05 PM
Interesting to turn down transfers IF an address was produced and proof of residence there (whether real or not!). I can't see how you can be stopped from moving to hurl with the club where you reside!
Not saying I agree with these or any transfers internally, especially in a small county like Laois where distance is rarely an issue.
Also the "standing down for one year" is a myth. Your club is your club and remains so until such time as you are granted a transfer.
You can transfer out of the county easily enough.
But if you wish to return to that county within 2 years you must go back to the club you came from!
Lower Ballyadams is a lovely spot I hear
No idea what this means!
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Quote from: Pablo Escobar on March 07, 2017, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 07, 2017, 05:26:05 PM
Interesting to turn down transfers IF an address was produced and proof of residence there (whether real or not!). I can't see how you can be stopped from moving to hurl with the club where you reside!
Not saying I agree with these or any transfers internally, especially in a small county like Laois where distance is rarely an issue.
Also the "standing down for one year" is a myth. Your club is your club and remains so until such time as you are granted a transfer.
You can transfer out of the county easily enough.
But if you wish to return to that county within 2 years you must go back to the club you came from!
Lower Ballyadams is a lovely spot I hear
No idea what this means!
It's the address used by Daly to try get his transfer to Josephs. Bad form of Josephs.
No winners, players, clubs or County. I sometimes think this club championship is more trouble than its worth
.If it didn't exist and we allowed the single player rule to neighbouring senior club and also be able to play for your own club would be great for all involved.
Very strong stance refusing Conroys transfer as usually from what i understood is that transfers arent refused if you are living in the catchment area like *ahem* Darren Gilmartin living and working in Camross. That transfer was granted based on the "proof" he provided after Kyle objected to his transfer
Be interesting too see what Conroy and Slieve Bloom's next move is?
Quote from: Helix on March 07, 2017, 05:15:34 PM
So what happens next so if a person doesn't hurl with club for a year? Are they granted a transfer or just tied down unless an intercounty transfer. There was about 4-5 Kyle transfer requests (not sure if underage players). Hopefully Kyle can stay afloat.
The Sheppard chaps play and always did underage with b/k and apparently are desperate to play with b/k with no intention of playing for Kyle at adult level according to their mam who is a lovely woman and their transfers were refused last year too
I suppose from a county board point of view Gilmartin played all his juvenile hurling with Camross so different from the Conroy situation. Also I hear he didn't name his Portlaoise address as his full time abode.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 07, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
Be interesting too see what Conroy and Slieve Bloom's next move is?
It sure will, this is unusual to me as you said in an earlier post that a transfer as we know it cant be refused if the player is residing in the area where he wishes to transfer.. there must of been some arguement by slieve bloom as they arent short numbers unlike kyle and conor quinlan who put down his home address with reason for transfer to just simply play senior hurling
Quote from: HURLING1 on March 07, 2017, 07:35:33 PM
I suppose from a county board point of view Gilmartin played all his juvenile hurling with Camross so different from the Conroy situation. Also I hear he didn't name his Portlaoise address as his full time abode.
Conroy did gave a portlaoise address
was there any internal transfer granted or were they all turned down?
The whole process is a joke really. Based on some of the transfers granted before, you'd wonder how ANY transfer could be turned down in Laois. Like most things, you need pull it seems
from what i hear slieve bloom have lost not one great but 3 and its devestating to a small club but bear in mind slieve bloom could have avoided this by accepting the gaels two months ago i am told it was never going to be on only at the last minute when the horse has bolted i aggree with mountrath 1 this fiasco should never have happened but i also aggree that these intercounty players should be accomadated and keep the small club alive
Quote from: honest hurler on March 07, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
from what i hear slieve bloom have lost not one great but 3 and its devestating to a small club but bear in mind slieve bloom could have avoided this by accepting the gaels two months ago i am told it was never going to be on only at the last minute when the horse has bolted i aggree with mountrath 1 this fiasco should never have happened but i also aggree that these intercounty players should be accomadated and keep the small club alive
The 3 conroys i presume? Heard that daddy went and threw his toys out of the pram
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 07, 2017, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: honest hurler on March 07, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
from what i hear slieve bloom have lost not one great but 3 and its devestating to a small club but bear in mind slieve bloom could have avoided this by accepting the gaels two months ago i am told it was never going to be on only at the last minute when the horse has bolted i aggree with mountrath 1 this fiasco should never have happened but i also aggree that these intercounty players should be accomadated and keep the small club alive
The 3 conroys i presume? Heard that daddy went and threw his toys out of the pram
Would be a shame to lose those 3. Hopefully this gets rectified.
Quote from: Helix on March 07, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
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Quote from: honest hurler on March 07, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
from what i hear slieve bloom have lost not one great but 3 and its devestating to a small club but bear in mind slieve bloom could have avoided this by accepting the gaels two months ago i am told it was never going to be on only at the last minute when the horse has bolted i aggree with mountrath 1 this fiasco should never have happened but i also aggree that these intercounty players should be accomadated and keep the small club alive
The 3 conroys i presume? Heard that daddy went and threw his toys out of the pram
Would be a shame to lose those 3. Hopefully this gets rectified.
What in the name of good christ were they playing at by turning down a gaels amalgamation with castletown for, not to mention ballinakill who have took on junior c hurlers in slieve margy, who is the chairman? Chris Eubank snr?lol
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Quote from: Helix on March 07, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
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Quote from: honest hurler on March 07, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
from what i hear slieve bloom have lost not one great but 3 and its devestating to a small club but bear in mind slieve bloom could have avoided this by accepting the gaels two months ago i am told it was never going to be on only at the last minute when the horse has bolted i aggree with mountrath 1 this fiasco should never have happened but i also aggree that these intercounty players should be accomadated and keep the small club alive
The 3 conroys i presume? Heard that daddy went and threw his toys out of the pram
Would be a shame to lose those 3. Hopefully this gets rectified.
What in the name of good christ were they playing at by turning down a gaels amalgamation with castletown for, not to mention ballinakill who have took on junior c hurlers in slieve margy, who is the chairman? Chris Eubank snr?lol
You've been grinding that axe for a while, it must be quare sharp by now.
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 07, 2017, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: Helix on March 07, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
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Quote from: honest hurler on March 07, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
from what i hear slieve bloom have lost not one great but 3 and its devestating to a small club but bear in mind slieve bloom could have avoided this by accepting the gaels two months ago i am told it was never going to be on only at the last minute when the horse has bolted i aggree with mountrath 1 this fiasco should never have happened but i also aggree that these intercounty players should be accomadated and keep the small club alive
The 3 conroys i presume? Heard that daddy went and threw his toys out of the pram
Would be a shame to lose those 3. Hopefully this gets rectified.
What in the name of good christ were they playing at by turning down a gaels amalgamation with castletown for, not to mention ballinakill who have took on junior c hurlers in slieve margy, who is the chairman? Chris Eubank snr?lol
I also had heard that it was Slieve Bloom who turned down the Castletown join up.
If so, they have walked themselves into some mess.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 07, 2017, 10:32:22 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 07, 2017, 10:20:38 PM
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Quote from: honest hurler on March 07, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
from what i hear slieve bloom have lost not one great but 3 and its devestating to a small club but bear in mind slieve bloom could have avoided this by accepting the gaels two months ago i am told it was never going to be on only at the last minute when the horse has bolted i aggree with mountrath 1 this fiasco should never have happened but i also aggree that these intercounty players should be accomadated and keep the small club alive
The 3 conroys i presume? Heard that daddy went and threw his toys out of the pram
Would be a shame to lose those 3. Hopefully this gets rectified.
What in the name of good christ were they playing at by turning down a gaels amalgamation with castletown for, not to mention ballinakill who have took on junior c hurlers in slieve margy, who is the chairman? Chris Eubank snr?lol
I also had heard that it was Slieve Bloom who turned down the Castletown join up.
If so, they have walked themselves into some mess.
Walked? I would of said nose dived
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 07, 2017, 10:35:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 07, 2017, 10:32:22 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 07, 2017, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: Helix on March 07, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 07, 2017, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: honest hurler on March 07, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
from what i hear slieve bloom have lost not one great but 3 and its devestating to a small club but bear in mind slieve bloom could have avoided this by accepting the gaels two months ago i am told it was never going to be on only at the last minute when the horse has bolted i aggree with mountrath 1 this fiasco should never have happened but i also aggree that these intercounty players should be accomadated and keep the small club alive
The 3 conroys i presume? Heard that daddy went and threw his toys out of the pram
Would be a shame to lose those 3. Hopefully this gets rectified.
What in the name of good christ were they playing at by turning down a gaels amalgamation with castletown for, not to mention ballinakill who have took on junior c hurlers in slieve margy, who is the chairman? Chris Eubank snr?lol
I also had heard that it was Slieve Bloom who turned down the Castletown join up.
If so, they have walked themselves into some mess.
Walked? I would of said nose dived
Hopefully the underage teams Castletown/Slieve Bloom won't keel over now with whatever divide is going on in the adult clubs.
i am delighted that daly and conroy were refused dubious transfers. they come from small clubs who have enjoyed recent success and they would be best advised to stay put and help build the brand instead of making an individual fuss to play at a higher level.
I have sympathy with the kyle situation, Laois Gaa should be supporting small border outfits like this one and coming up with a plan to help give them stability or alternatively put in train a process to wind it down and accommodate the players elsewhere. the county board doing nil does not help, granting transfers out of kyle would be death by a thousand cuts.
the transfer of conroy in particular is puzzling. if I am correct, he played senior football in a gaels arrangement with ballyfin last year. why did his club not seek to cement that arrangement by organising a hurling gaels link up? or was senior b not of sufficient standard.
in conversation today with a member of the county executive who sat on the committee hearings last night, conroy was quizzed on his "portlaoise address" and the answers were not satisfactory, the chairman wondered why the player was using his home address for vouched expenses with the county team and supplied a different portlaoise address for the transfer!.
these Daly/Conroy style transfers bring us back to the thorny issue of the policy in this county of properly organising area/gaels teams within the current senior hurling and football championships. certain senior clubs will be against the idea, especially football ones, and unless policy is directed and led by the county board, it will remain a bone of contention.
finally I encountered an officer of slieve bloom in Roscrea last week and asked the question as to why they did no join up with Castletown or Ballyfin(my query). He said the one pre-condition his club presented to castletown for a Gaels join up was that the Gaels team would field in a neutral jersey. castletown would not entertain that proposition and there ended that potential link up. He told me Ballyfin never contacted them about joining up for hurling. That is what I have been told, true or not.
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on March 07, 2017, 10:56:48 PM
i am delighted that daly and conroy were refused dubious transfers. they come from small clubs who have enjoyed recent success and they would be best advised to stay put and help build the brand instead of making an individual fuss to play at a higher level.
I have sympathy with the kyle situation, Laois Gaa should be supporting small border outfits like this one and coming up with a plan to help give them stability or alternatively put in train a process to wind it down and accommodate the players elsewhere. the county board doing nil does not help, granting transfers out of kyle would be death by a thousand cuts.
the transfer of conroy in particular is puzzling. if I am correct, he played senior football in a gaels arrangement with ballyfin last year. why did his club not seek to cement that arrangement by organising a hurling gaels link up? or was senior b not of sufficient standard.
in conversation today with a member of the county executive who sat on the committee hearings last night, conroy was quizzed on his "portlaoise address" and the answers were not satisfactory, the chairman wondered why the player was using his home address for vouched expenses with the county team and supplied a different portlaoise address for the transfer!.
these Daly/Conroy style transfers bring us back to the thorny issue of the policy in this county of properly organising area/gaels teams within the current senior hurling and football championships. certain senior clubs will be against the idea, especially football ones, and unless policy is directed and led by the county board, it will remain a bone of contention.
finally I encountered an officer of slieve bloom in Roscrea last week and asked the question as to why they did no join up with Castletown or Ballyfin(my query). He said the one pre-condition his club presented to castletown for a Gaels join up was that the Gaels team would field in a neutral jersey. castletown would not entertain that proposition and there ended that potential link up. He told me Ballyfin never contacted them about joining up for hurling. That is what I have been told, true or not.
Doesn't bother me either ways,but would that be a fairly unusual occurrence?
Considering the difference in level of the two clubs? Or would it be a normal thing?
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on March 07, 2017, 10:56:48 PM
i am delighted that daly and conroy were refused dubious transfers. they come from small clubs who have enjoyed recent success and they would be best advised to stay put and help build the brand instead of making an individual fuss to play at a higher level.
I have sympathy with the kyle situation, Laois Gaa should be supporting small border outfits like this one and coming up with a plan to help give them stability or alternatively put in train a process to wind it down and accommodate the players elsewhere. the county board doing nil does not help, granting transfers out of kyle would be death by a thousand cuts.
the transfer of conroy in particular is puzzling. if I am correct, he played senior football in a gaels arrangement with ballyfin last year. why did his club not seek to cement that arrangement by organising a hurling gaels link up? or was senior b not of sufficient standard.
in conversation today with a member of the county executive who sat on the committee hearings last night, conroy was quizzed on his "portlaoise address" and the answers were not satisfactory, the chairman wondered why the player was using his home address for vouched expenses with the county team and supplied a different portlaoise address for the transfer!.
these Daly/Conroy style transfers bring us back to the thorny issue of the policy in this county of properly organising area/gaels teams within the current senior hurling and football championships. certain senior clubs will be against the idea, especially football ones, and unless policy is directed and led by the county board, it will remain a bone of contention.
finally I encountered an officer of slieve bloom in Roscrea last week and asked the question as to why they did no join up with Castletown or Ballyfin(my query). He said the one pre-condition his club presented to castletown for a Gaels join up was that the Gaels team would field in a neutral jersey. castletown would not entertain that proposition and there ended that potential link up. He told me Ballyfin never contacted them about joining up for hurling. That is what I have been told, true or not.
Re Conroy and Portlaoise, the County Chairman would be better advised to turn his gaze upon the Portlaoise Clubs hand in this and a number of other cases recently. Their behavior is despicable.
It actually doesn't bother me either way. But I like consistency and transparency. I have no interest in one rule for one and something completely different for another.
There is no such rule to retrospectively cancel transfers. I was being facetious. My broader point was that where people live has never been that much of a factor before, and that is commonly known. Why now?
Look in relation to this affair with Conroy of slieve bloom this I am told would never had happened if his club would have given him the chance to play Gaels with ballinkill and bear in mind that he was also willing to play with Castletown only as the officer has stated in a previous comment that his club wanted an neutral jersey also this is one other comment I will remind you all our county secretary has indorced the idea of Gaels
Quote from: High Fielder on March 08, 2017, 10:13:39 AM
It actually doesn't bother me either way. But I like consistency and transparency. I have no interest in one rule for one and something completely different for another.
There is no such rule to retrospectively cancel transfers. I was being facetious. My broader point was that where people live has never been that much of a factor before, and that is commonly known. Why now?
Josephs role in this is despicable . No better than A certain club which you often berate . Same tactics used. The county board has changed it process and its great to see. The only hope is that it continues .l
Quote from: honest hurler on March 08, 2017, 11:35:08 AM
Look in relation to this affair with Conroy of slieve bloom this I am told would never had happened if his club would have given him the chance to play Gaels with ballinkill and bear in mind that he was also willing to play with Castletown only as the officer has stated in a previous comment that his club wanted an neutral jersey also this is one other comment I will remind you all our county secretary has indorced the idea of Gaels
He endorse or encourage whatever he likes- It's still up to the club's involved to agree on something.
Slieve Bloom failed to reach agreements with two different clubs. If what's written here is true it was Slieve Bloom who pulled out of both deals.
That doesn't reflect well on them- surely they were the club with most to gain from of reaching an agreement.
The amount of your posts that are solely about Ben Conroy is actually disturbing.
One other thing,
Quote from: Don Draper on March 08, 2017, 09:08:20 AM
That Buggy chap seems a good footballer doesnt he?
Did he transfer to Stradbally? When, at what age and from where?
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on March 08, 2017, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on March 08, 2017, 10:13:39 AM
It actually doesn't bother me either way. But I like consistency and transparency. I have no interest in one rule for one and something completely different for another.
There is no such rule to retrospectively cancel transfers. I was being facetious. My broader point was that where people live has never been that much of a factor before, and that is commonly known. Why now?
Josephs role in this is despicable . No better than A certain club which you often berate . Same tactics used. The county board has changed it process and its great to see. The only hope is that it continues .l
A club that I often berate?
As for a leopard changing its spots, I'm not so sure. Maybe there was nothing on this roundabout to make it look like a good ride. If this is the way it's going to be for everyone, then great. A lot of harm has been done because of previous decisions
Oh well, onwards and upwards, lets see if b/k can retain or another football team can knock stradbally or portlaoise. This year is flying by
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/home/238992/teenager-who-loves-gaelic-games-lost-to-gaa-as-transfer-to-portlaoise-is-turned-down.html
Quote from: clonadmad on March 09, 2017, 12:54:33 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/home/238992/teenager-who-loves-gaelic-games-lost-to-gaa-as-transfer-to-portlaoise-is-turned-down.html
I saw the comment on facebook that precipitated this article. It was from the child's parent from what I can remember.
The child's condition is unfortunate, but there are several aspects of the article that I don't like.
I don't think the child's condition is that relevant to the rules around transfers. The original comment mentioned special food not being provided for him after blitzes etc and him having to leave because he felt left out. This was despite the parent having made the club aware of this.
I assume that the P/R U10/U12 teams were being fed from food supplied by parents of same? Unless of course they are being treated to post game meals by Bosco or someone?
Was there any reason that this parent couldn't have chipped in and provide some of the food that suits the child's diet. I'm assuming that at least some of the food provided came from parents?
While it is harsh that a child, once registered with a club, is a member for life (until a transfer), how else do we stop the better players all around the county moving to the strongest clubs at 14/15/16 years of age?
Well, this is a pathetic issue to raise.
You wonder what the motivation behind this,is with the Express in particular
Are they as quick to run with every comment left on facebook?.
the headline states hes "lost to GAA",im sure P/R will have him back,this sort of incorrect headline grabbing bollocks grinds my gears as well.
Its also my understanding that the man who left the comment on FB was a mentor on his sons teams for a period of time and that the son and Im open to correction here,played on P/R teams in 2016 and 2015.
hardly the proper angle of attack to be taking.
What an atrocious article. The "journalist", and I use the term very f***ing loosely, that wrote that should hang his head.
Did he ever hear of balance? Did he look for a statement from Laois GAA or Park Ratheniska GAA?
A completely one sided argument in the piece. Terrible. Referring to Portlaoise in the piece as the lad's home club. Wrong. Your home club is the first club you are registered with, in this case Park Ratheniska.
Quote from: SCFC on March 09, 2017, 07:38:59 PM
What an atrocious article. The "journalist", and I use the term very f***ing loosely, that wrote that should hang his head.
Did he ever hear of balance? Did he look for a statement from Laois GAA or Park Ratheniska GAA?
A completely one sided argument in the piece. Terrible. Referring to Portlaoise in the piece as the lad's home club. Wrong. Your home club is the first club you are registered with, in this case Park Ratheniska.
It's just taking the handy way out. It's a clickbait article which will provoke the ire of those who love to jump on any crusading bandwagon.
It will be shared and commented on all around the country.
And it is exactly the kind of article that sees a journalist invited onto the likes of Joe Duffy to tell us all the background etc of.
If I were involved with Park Ratheniska I think I'd be looking for a clarification or retraction of some sort. Hard to do without starting a tit for tat over and back, but as you say, no comment from either source (and no indication that either were asked) is atrocious journalism.
the standard of journalism at the leinster express is at an all time low, the rag is in survival mode and the truth is that the poor sods paying for the memorial notices etc are keeping it afloat. the sports production is stale and lacking innovation, the paper is normally used by a young sports journalist as a step ladder to a bigger job.
it was disgusting to be this Facebook whinge given oxygen. I would imagine all those who failed to get the positive nod in the transfer meeting the other night would vent their anger in the immediate aftermath of rejection, best to give them breathing room and let the hare sit before adding fuel in a journalistic manner to the fire.
I assume this is the same journalist who went running to the mainstream media with his sensational headlines that Port were at war with other sports. Although Shaggy Leavy may have worded his views incorrectly about the problem Port had in attracting kids to the GAA, one could see some merit in his expression. The GAA is in a battle with other sports for the raw material which is kids, and if we don't accept this fact then we are in trouble long term......the journalist turned Shaggy's remarks into a national issue for a few days.
said journalist, and he is likely to be snooping around these parts for crumbs, would want to reflect that keeping stuff in-house serve all better, rather than selling stories for personal gain.
It's not in any clubs interest to reply to that article. As we all see it's disgraceful journalism and anyone with a brain in their head will realise that. My sympathies to the child but if what has been said here is true, his father has been very foolish. Says it all that it's come from the news desk at the express and not the sports desk.
Quote from: Negan on March 09, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
Says it all that it's come from the news desk at the express and not the sports desk.
I think that's an important point. Rory Delaney, I think, is the sports editor, and is a good writer and a good guy. His "road trip" articles this year are very good.
Quote from: Negan on March 09, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
It's not in any clubs interest to reply to that article. As we all see it's disgraceful journalism and anyone with a brain in their head will realise that. My sympathies to the child but if what has been said here is true, his father has been very foolish. Says it all that it's come from the news desk at the express and not the sports desk.
I'm not so sure.
"We all see"- I.E. those of us reading an internet forum dedicated to Laois GAA.
Have a look on facebook and see if all of Park Ratheniska's prospective mammies and daddies out there see it the same as we do.
To paraphrase Mr Leavy, Park Ratheniska and all of the clubs surrounding Portlaoise are in a war to attract the young lads to their door and not in Portlaoise.
As well as all of the obvious advantages that Portlaoise enjoy, you now have this story.
Facebook summary of this story is Park Ratheniska & Laois = The Baddies, Portlaoise = The Goodies
Quote from: High Fielder on March 08, 2017, 04:50:57 PM
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on March 08, 2017, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on March 08, 2017, 10:13:39 AM
It actually doesn't bother me either way. But I like consistency and transparency. I have no interest in one rule for one and something completely different for another.
There is no such rule to retrospectively cancel transfers. I was being facetious. My broader point was that where people live has never been that much of a factor before, and that is commonly known. Why now?
Josephs role in this is despicable . No better than A certain club which you often berate . Same tactics used. The county board has changed it process and its great to see. The only hope is that it continues .l
A club that I often berate?
As for a leopard changing its spots, I'm not so sure. Maybe there was nothing on this roundabout to make it look like a good ride. If this is the way it's going to be for everyone, then great. A lot of harm has been done because of previous decisions
Everyone has a price, the important thing is to find out what it is.
I see Lir McDonald has transferred to Ballinakill from Slieve Margy as was down as playing with Ballinakill seniors according to the Leinster Express match report vs Abbeyleix. A more consistent role in team rather than wait till championship as gaels to establish himself. Best of luck to him.
It showsbthat there are hurlers in the football parts of the county. There's always lads who prefer hurling so thats why they need the structures and support. Thats why clubs like Slieve Margy need to get support from CB and keep going.
McDonald transfer was refused, he should never of been playing
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on March 14, 2017, 09:54:40 PM
McDonald transfer was refused, he should never of been playing
That is an extremely serious offence if what you say is true?
His transfer was definitely refused.
However, he had the right of appeal and that could have taken place as early as last Thursday. I haven't heard if he did appeal or not but I felt it was worth mentioning that maybe there's nothing to see here and this 18 year old was perfectly legal in playing...
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on March 14, 2017, 09:54:40 PM
McDonald transfer was refused, he should never of been playing
"Have".
Look what I started :o In all seriousness, I hope that the transfer process is all above board. Ballinakill would hardly be that stupid to pull such an act if he's not a registered Ballinakill player.
Quote from: Helix on March 14, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
Look what I started :o In all seriousness, I hope that the transfer process is all above board. Ballinakill would hardly be that stupid to pull such an act if he's not a registered Ballinakill player.
Playing an illegal underage intercounty player in a county league game, with a reporter present? Yeah, I find it unlikely they're that stupid.
Quote from: Helix on March 14, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
Look what I started :o In all seriousness, I hope that the transfer process is all above board. Ballinakill would hardly be that stupid to pull such an act if he's not a registered Ballinakill player.
Surely not.
It didn't stop Emo playing Cian Langford, a county minor footballer, in the league against Arles.
Clearly against the rule book and I hear they're in trouble over it.
Quote from: SCFC on March 15, 2017, 07:38:14 AM
It didn't stop Emo playing Cian Langford, a county minor footballer, in the league against Arles.
Clearly against the rule book and I hear they're in trouble over it.
So, if what has been suggested here is true, both Ballinakill and Emo have now brought their own clubs into disrepute. Are we suggesting that club executives are getting dumber? Or do they believe the County Board will balls this up too?
Ballinakill also played seamus fitzpatrick who as far as i know is on the minor hurlers, open to correction on that one
Seamus Fitzpatrick was eligible to hurl.
Quote from: Don Draper on March 14, 2017, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Helix on March 14, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
Look what I started :o In all seriousness, I hope that the transfer process is all above board. Ballinakill would hardly be that stupid to pull such an act if he's not a registered Ballinakill player.
Playing an illegal underage intercounty player in a county league game, with a reporter present? Yeah, I find it unlikely they're that stupid.
Isn't McDonald overage for this year's minor?
Quote from: SCFC on March 15, 2017, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on March 14, 2017, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Helix on March 14, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
Look what I started :o In all seriousness, I hope that the transfer process is all above board. Ballinakill would hardly be that stupid to pull such an act if he's not a registered Ballinakill player.
Playing an illegal underage intercounty player in a county league game, with a reporter present? Yeah, I find it unlikely they're that stupid.
Isn't McDonald overage for this year's minor?
I presume he's still U21
There is precedence for when clubs have played county minors etc to lose any points won (Ballinakill didn't win any).
What has been suggested here about McDonald is a lot more serious- whatever age he is!
Quote from: Don Draper on March 15, 2017, 03:04:18 PM
Quote from: SCFC on March 15, 2017, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on March 14, 2017, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Helix on March 14, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
Look what I started :o In all seriousness, I hope that the transfer process is all above board. Ballinakill would hardly be that stupid to pull such an act if he's not a registered Ballinakill player.
Playing an illegal underage intercounty player in a county league game, with a reporter present? Yeah, I find it unlikely they're that stupid.
Isn't McDonald overage for this year's minor?
I presume he's still U21
Yes. I thought the suggestion was that as a county minor, he couldn't play club football. Don't know if he's a county under 21 panellist in either code?
Quote from: SCFC on March 15, 2017, 06:47:10 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on March 15, 2017, 03:04:18 PM
Quote from: SCFC on March 15, 2017, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on March 14, 2017, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Helix on March 14, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
Look what I started :o In all seriousness, I hope that the transfer process is all above board. Ballinakill would hardly be that stupid to pull such an act if he's not a registered Ballinakill player.
Playing an illegal underage intercounty player in a county league game, with a reporter present? Yeah, I find it unlikely they're that stupid.
Isn't McDonald overage for this year's minor?
I presume he's still U21
Yes. I thought the suggestion was that as a county minor, he couldn't play club football. Don't know if he's a county under 21 panellist in either code?
I was referring to fact that you could f**k in an illegal lad if no one knew him from adam, but the likes of Lir would stand out.
Quote from: Don Draper on March 15, 2017, 09:53:41 PM
Quote from: SCFC on March 15, 2017, 06:47:10 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on March 15, 2017, 03:04:18 PM
Quote from: SCFC on March 15, 2017, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on March 14, 2017, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Helix on March 14, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
Look what I started :o In all seriousness, I hope that the transfer process is all above board. Ballinakill would hardly be that stupid to pull such an act if he's not a registered Ballinakill player.
Playing an illegal underage intercounty player in a county league game, with a reporter present? Yeah, I find it unlikely they're that stupid.
Isn't McDonald overage for this year's minor?
I presume he's still U21
Yes. I thought the suggestion was that as a county minor, he couldn't play club football. Don't know if he's a county under 21 panellist in either code?
I was referring to fact that you could f**k in an illegal lad if no one knew him from adam, but the likes of Lir would stand out.
Gotcha.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 10, 2017, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Negan on March 09, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
It's not in any clubs interest to reply to that article. As we all see it's disgraceful journalism and anyone with a brain in their head will realise that. My sympathies to the child but if what has been said here is true, his father has been very foolish. Says it all that it's come from the news desk at the express and not the sports desk.
I'm not so sure.
"We all see"- I.E. those of us reading an internet forum dedicated to Laois GAA.
Have a look on facebook and see if all of Park Ratheniska's prospective mammies and daddies out there see it the same as we do.
To paraphrase Mr Leavy, Park Ratheniska and all of the clubs surrounding Portlaoise are in a war to attract the young lads to their door and not in Portlaoise.
As well as all of the obvious advantages that Portlaoise enjoy, you now have this story.
Facebook summary of this story is Park Ratheniska & Laois = The Baddies, Portlaoise = The Goodies
Not to give this more oxygen, but I see it appeared on Hogan Stand yesterday. The father is contacting media sites with his 'story'. I wonder will we hear the true story in due course?
Hogan Stand wouldn't have much of an editorial filter.
Does anyone know if anyone is appealing their transfer
Quote from: border on March 20, 2017, 02:44:25 PM
Does anyone know if anyone is appealing their transfer
Conor Quinlan is the only one I know on the hurling side
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 22, 2017, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: border on March 20, 2017, 02:44:25 PM
Does anyone know if anyone is appealing their transfer
Conor Quinlan is the only one I know on the hurling side
Was that appeal this evening? Did anyone hear if it was sanctioned?
Brian Dalys appeal was rejected, I believe its going to the DRA now.
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on April 07, 2017, 08:42:55 AM
Brian Dalys appeal was rejected, I believe its going to the DRA now.
f**k sake. What a cuntish place we're in where clubs are going to the DRA to take their neighbours players. No wonder this county is fucked.
Martin Scullys was approved last night, any word on quinlans or foyles
Anyword on Niall Brennan
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 08:50:41 AM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on April 07, 2017, 08:42:55 AM
Brian Dalys appeal was rejected, I believe its going to the DRA now.
f**k sake. What a cuntish place we're in where clubs are going to the DRA to take their neighbours players. No wonder this county is fucked.
Agree fully but has Daly himself no imput into it at all. Is he being kidnapped, why isnt he playing with his club right now. In a tango you need two participants
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 08:50:41 AM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on April 07, 2017, 08:42:55 AM
Brian Dalys appeal was rejected, I believe its going to the DRA now.
f**k sake. What a cuntish place we're in where clubs are going to the DRA to take their neighbours players. No wonder this county is fucked.
Agreed
And not the first time either
Quote from: The Monument Road on April 07, 2017, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 08:50:41 AM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on April 07, 2017, 08:42:55 AM
Brian Dalys appeal was rejected, I believe its going to the DRA now.
f**k sake. What a cuntish place we're in where clubs are going to the DRA to take their neighbours players. No wonder this county is fucked.
Agree fully but has Daly himself no imput into it at all. Is he being kidnapped, why isnt he playing with his club right now. In a tango you need two participants
I dont give a shit. Clubs have no honour. I know of 2 clubs, back in the day, who when they were asked by players about getting a transfer to them from a rival club, told the players in question to run off back and cop themselves on. If you've no honour in this life, you've nothing.
Once it has gone as far as the DRA the player is as well off leaving the club because they've already made it be known they no longer want to play there.
You have a point Don but we're living in a selfish world now. Everyman for himself and all that.
Quote from: redsetanta on April 07, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
Once it has gone as far as the DRA the player is as well off leaving the club because they've already made it be known they no longer want to play there.
You have a point Don but we're living in a selfish world now. Everyman for himself and all that.
"Everyman for himself"
And that ladies and gentlemen, is why this county will never get a "team" capable of doing anything worthwhile. The individual should never be more important than the collective.
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 07, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
Once it has gone as far as the DRA the player is as well off leaving the club because they've already made it be known they no longer want to play there.
You have a point Don but we're living in a selfish world now. Everyman for himself and all that.
"Everyman for himself"
And that ladies and gentlemen, is why this county will never get a "team" capable of doing anything worthwhile. The individual should never be more important than the collective.
Too right Spock
Any other verdicts regarding appeals. We'd 3 in our club to my knowledge :o . Hardly good for playing environment lads throwing in transfers. Some genuine and then there's as already the selfish ones. No player is bigger than their club.
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 07, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
Once it has gone as far as the DRA the player is as well off leaving the club because they've already made it be known they no longer want to play there.
You have a point Don but we're living in a selfish world now. Everyman for himself and all that.
"Everyman for himself"
And that ladies and gentlemen, is why this county will never get a "team" capable of doing anything worthwhile. The individual should never be more important than the collective.
Everything you say Don is right but as Red said your dealing with a different animal these days. Young people dont do conventional now. Todays generation do as they please like traveling,changing jobs etc and just leave their clubs high and dry for long periods and you know what fair play to them.More to life these days then the GAA. Getting back to this particular case i cannot see anyone coming out smiling at the end.
Quote from: The Monument Road on April 07, 2017, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 07, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
Once it has gone as far as the DRA the player is as well off leaving the club because they've already made it be known they no longer want to play there.
You have a point Don but we're living in a selfish world now. Everyman for himself and all that.
"Everyman for himself"
And that ladies and gentlemen, is why this county will never get a "team" capable of doing anything worthwhile. The individual should never be more important than the collective.
Everything you say Don is right but as Red said your dealing with a different animal these days. Young people dont do conventional now. Todays generation do as they please like traveling,changing jobs etc and just leave their clubs high and dry for long periods and you know what fair play to them.More to life these days then the GAA. Getting back to this particular case i cannot see anyone coming out smiling at the end.
And again, I say, the club should tell them to f**k off back where they came from. That would solve all of these non genuine cases.
There is no honour in this.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on April 07, 2017, 09:46:26 AM
Anyword on Niall Brennan
Has already played a couple of games for st fintans from what i gathered he wasnt overly concerned with how it went
The reality is very few clubs ( if any) will do as you say Don. To name a few,Stradbally didnt do it, Kileen didnt do it,Portlaoise didnt do it,. The world we live in now is a different one i grew up in Don. I myself traveled in my playing days and missed a quarter final ( Junior might i add :-X) and that wasnt today or yesterday and if i may say so i was ostracised for a while for doing so. The GAA club scene was defined by life time allegiance to your locality, local pub, local dance hall etc but unfortunately as the country dynamic changes that allegiance is quickly decaying ( a bit like the small farmer in Ireland).Clubs and club officers are part of that new dynamic now so to suggest they should tell someone to "F%%k back to their own club" is not going to happen.
Quote from: The Monument Road on April 07, 2017, 12:26:14 PM
The reality is very few clubs ( if any) will do as you say Don. To name a few,Stradbally didnt do it, Kileen didnt do it,Portlaoise didnt do it,. The world we live in now is a different one i grew up in Don. I myself traveled in my playing days and missed a quarter final ( Junior might i add :-X) and that wasnt today or yesterday and if i may say so i was ostracised for a while for doing so. The GAA club scene was defined by life time allegiance to your locality, local pub, local dance hall etc but unfortunately as the country dynamic changes that allegiance is quickly decaying ( a bit like the small farmer in Ireland).Clubs and club officers are part of that new dynamic now so to suggest they should tell someone to "F%%k back to their own club" is not going to happen.
You seem to be ok with this new attitude of the likes of Stradbally Killeen and Portlaoise so. If you're ok with it, you're part of the problem. You omitted St Josephs there by the way.
Personally I think players should be allowed transfer as they please. Why should anyone be bound to a club, in no aspect of life would this happen why should the GAA be any different. If clubs are doing a good job they will attract players if not they won't.
I didn't get that from the post, he seemed to be stated his opinion as he sees it.
Maybe there are clubs who would refuse a player transfer but if you are going to have amalgamations underage and younglads are playing alongside each other for years it will inevitability happen that some will want to continue that relationship. We can't use the same brush for all players who transfer. In principle I don't agree with it but the CB certainly didn't help matters when you see what happened with the Kingstons. If Barrowhouse had those lads aswell they would probably have aspirations of playing senior football as a club.
Ballylinan lost players around the time of the St Michaels episode(almost 20 years ago) as there were people who genuinely wanted a parish team. It caused such animosity among some that they didn't play in the parish again and moved clubs.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on April 07, 2017, 12:44:05 PM
Personally I think players should be allowed transfer as they please. Why should anyone be bound to a club, in no aspect of life would this happen why should the GAA be any different. If clubs are doing a good job they will attract players if not they won't.
Because the GAA is different. And if you are to allow free movement, then you take away one of the strengths of the GAA.
But you and the others are entitled to your opinions obviously, and it will be interesting if it forever stays thus.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on April 07, 2017, 12:44:05 PM
Personally I think players should be allowed transfer as they please. Why should anyone be bound to a club, in no aspect of life would this happen why should the GAA be any different. If clubs are doing a good job they will attract players if not they won't.
I'm delighted to hear you feel like that,BA
The hurling side of your outfit have 5/6 lovely u16's
Parcel them up for me,I'll be over to collect them later
I think they want to play Senior A.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on April 07, 2017, 12:44:05 PM
Personally I think players should be allowed transfer as they please. Why should anyone be bound to a club, in no aspect of life would this happen why should the GAA be any different. If clubs are doing a good job they will attract players if not they won't.
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And thats why ballyroan have the reputation of a helicopter club, each to their own but if a player wamts to transfer from a small club to a big senior club it says more about the individual than anyone else
So a player should be happy playing Junior C,B or A because of a decision he made when he was 10. If someone told you that you had to stay in the same job because it was your first job would that be fair. Most players don't even realise the extent to which their been held by clubs, usually what happens is that they get pissed off and stop playing altogether. Helicopter Club ? Would the issue not be that we are the only football club in a predominantly hurling area.
No we ve taken lads out of raheen, spink, ratheniska, ballacolla and durrow in the last few years, all these areas have clubs, id rather we did the best with what we have to be honest, your talking down about junior clubs like its a death sentance to play for one, well its very hard for these clubs to progress up the ladder when there best players are been taken from them isnt it
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on April 07, 2017, 03:03:14 PM
I think they want to play Senior A.
Maybe the Tipp or Kk clubs should pop over the border then and offer them the chance to play on all ireland winning minor teams instead of hanging around going nowhere with laois,because that's the logical conclusion of your argument.
If what your suggesting ever comes true,the juvenile sections in all bar the top 4/5 clubs can close the gate.
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on April 07, 2017, 03:03:14 PM
I think they want to play Senior A.
Maybe the Tipp or Kk clubs should pop over the border then and offer them the chance to play on all ireland winning minor teams instead of hanging around going nowhere with laois,because that's the logical conclusion of your argument.
If what your suggesting ever comes true,the juvenile sections in all bar the top 4/5 clubs can close the gate.
No, what he's suggesting is cuntish in the extreme. Full stop. You'd hope he's but one voice. You'd hope.
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: The Monument Road on April 07, 2017, 12:26:14 PM
The reality is very few clubs ( if any) will do as you say Don. To name a few,Stradbally didnt do it, Kileen didnt do it,Portlaoise didnt do it,. The world we live in now is a different one i grew up in Don. I myself traveled in my playing days and missed a quarter final ( Junior might i add :-X) and that wasnt today or yesterday and if i may say so i was ostracised for a while for doing so. The GAA club scene was defined by life time allegiance to your locality, local pub, local dance hall etc but unfortunately as the country dynamic changes that allegiance is quickly decaying ( a bit like the small farmer in Ireland).Clubs and club officers are part of that new dynamic now so to suggest they should tell someone to "F%%k back to their own club" is not going to happen.
You seem to be ok with this new attitude of the likes of Stradbally Killeen and Portlaoise so. If you're ok with it, you're part of the problem. You omitted St Josephs there by the way.
I sure did leave out St Josephs as they havent facilitated any transfers yet and because none of us know whether they did or did not tell Daly to stay with his own club.I named clubs who did as seen by the transfers they did facilitate into their clubs. Whether i agree with it or not makes no difference and as i already said times are a changing and us guys who went with the norm may now move with the times. Just like Politics the norm is changing. I also dont see it as a recent problem as guys seeking transfers has been going on a long long time now....
I hear the Kyle Byrne transfer appeal to the Laois Cccc was lost as well.
Can we expect more media attention and perhaps Portlaoise beating a well trodden path to the leinster council and ultimately the DRA (cost €1,500) over yet another juvenile player?
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on April 07, 2017, 03:03:14 PM
I think they want to play Senior A.
Maybe the Tipp or Kk clubs should pop over the border then and offer them the chance to play on all ireland winning minor teams instead of hanging around going nowhere with laois,because that's the logical conclusion of your argument.
If what your suggesting ever comes true,the juvenile sections in all bar the top 4/5 clubs can close the gate.
No, what he's suggesting is cuntish in the extreme. Full stop. You'd hope he's but one voice. You'd hope.
Aye. You'd hope
Quote from: The Monument Road on April 07, 2017, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: The Monument Road on April 07, 2017, 12:26:14 PM
The reality is very few clubs ( if any) will do as you say Don. To name a few,Stradbally didnt do it, Kileen didnt do it,Portlaoise didnt do it,. The world we live in now is a different one i grew up in Don. I myself traveled in my playing days and missed a quarter final ( Junior might i add :-X) and that wasnt today or yesterday and if i may say so i was ostracised for a while for doing so. The GAA club scene was defined by life time allegiance to your locality, local pub, local dance hall etc but unfortunately as the country dynamic changes that allegiance is quickly decaying ( a bit like the small farmer in Ireland).Clubs and club officers are part of that new dynamic now so to suggest they should tell someone to "F%%k back to their own club" is not going to happen.
You seem to be ok with this new attitude of the likes of Stradbally Killeen and Portlaoise so. If you're ok with it, you're part of the problem. You omitted St Josephs there by the way.
I sure did leave out St Josephs as they havent facilitated any transfers yet and because none of us know whether they did or did not tell Daly to stay with his own club.I named clubs who did as seen by the transfers they did facilitate into their clubs. Whether i agree with it or not makes no difference and as i already said times are a changing and us guys who went with the norm may now move with the times. Just like Politics the norm is changing. I also dont see it as a recent problem as guys seeking transfers has been going on a long long time now....
Yea, I'm putting Joseph's in with the ones you named.
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2017, 04:50:26 PM
I hear the Kyle Byrne transfer appeal to the Laois Cccc was lost as well.
Can we expect more media attention and perhaps Portlaoise beating a well trodden path to the leinster council and ultimately the DRA (cost €1,500) over yet another juvenile player?
I heard he actually won his appeal and his transfer is approved. We just saved €1500!
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on April 08, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2017, 04:50:26 PM
I hear the Kyle Byrne transfer appeal to the Laois Cccc was lost as well.
Can we expect more media attention and perhaps Portlaoise beating a well trodden path to the leinster council and ultimately the DRA (cost €1,500) over yet another juvenile player?
I heard he actually won his appeal and his transfer is approved. We just saved €1500!
Maybe ye could donate that 1500 to the 'pay back Croke Park & Leinster Council' fund.
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on April 08, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2017, 04:50:26 PM
I hear the Kyle Byrne transfer appeal to the Laois Cccc was lost as well.
Can we expect more media attention and perhaps Portlaoise beating a well trodden path to the leinster council and ultimately the DRA (cost €1,500) over yet another juvenile player?
I heard he actually won his appeal and his transfer is approved. We just saved €1500!
You heard wrong
Quote from: Don Draper on April 08, 2017, 08:52:59 AM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on April 08, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2017, 04:50:26 PM
I hear the Kyle Byrne transfer appeal to the Laois Cccc was lost as well.
Can we expect more media attention and perhaps Portlaoise beating a well trodden path to the leinster council and ultimately the DRA (cost €1,500) over yet another juvenile player?
I heard he actually won his appeal and his transfer is approved. We just saved €1500!
Maybe ye could donate that 1500 to the 'pay back Croke Park & Leinster Council' fund.
they won't be getting anything back
Anyway there's plenty more potential DRA cases we need to keep it for. Just waiting on our scouts to come back to us.
How will these rejected transfers be overturned by the DRA? I've heard there is damning evidence proving that they are not living at there so called "addresses". I believe the clubs to which they are transferring to are trying to drive a wedge between the player and their home club. Clever but horrible .
Nasty
County Board is obviously clamping down on addresses rule.
Nothing edited on my part
DRA rule that transfer of Laois U-21 football captain be heard again
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/21/dra-rule-transfer-laois-u-21-football-captain-heard/
Joseph's are gone down a lot in my estimation.
Mine too, but it looks like he is determined to leave Barrowhouse so it might be for the best. He is a good prospect for the future.
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on June 21, 2017, 07:56:29 PM
Mine too, but it looks like he is determined to leave Barrowhouse so it might be for the best. He is a good prospect for the future.
Desperately unfair on barrowhouse. Imagine if they had him, the 2 Kingstons and Ian Whelan.
Is he still on the County Senior Panel. If he is he shouldn't be as he won't play for his club.
Quote from: Toomanygaels on June 22, 2017, 12:24:49 AM
Is he still on the County Senior Panel. If he is he shouldn't be as he won't play for his club.
Never stopped Billy Sheehan when he wouldn't play for Emo.
It shouldn't have been tolerated then and shouldn't now either.
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on June 21, 2017, 01:08:19 PM
DRA rule that transfer of Laois U-21 football captain be heard again
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/21/dra-rule-transfer-laois-u-21-football-captain-heard/
Any result from this ?
Hear Lir McDonald got his transfer to Ballinakill put through last week in one of the reviewed cases, dont know about any of the rest
Brian Daly's move to Joseph's is gone through. You'd have thought Joseph's had enough of a catchment area.
He wanted to go there. He played all his juvenile football with Josephs. Did Josephs aggressively pursue him? No, they didn't. When he said he wanted to play for them, they backed him. There's a lot wrong in this case but Josephs took a good player in just like every other club would. Good players will always find it hard to progress in a small club. If it benefitted one of the CB members' clubs, there would be access to senior football for all. Kerry have been doing it for years
Quote from: High Fielder on July 05, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
Did Josephs aggressively pursue him? No, they didn't.
If it benefitted one of the CB members' clubs, there would be access to senior football for all.
Both of this makes me laugh.
Quote from: High Fielder on July 05, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
He wanted to go there. He played all his juvenile football with Josephs. Did Josephs aggressively pursue him? No, they didn't. When he said he wanted to play for them, they backed him. There's a lot wrong in this case but Josephs took a good player in just like every other club would. Good players will always find it hard to progress in a small club. If it benefitted one of the CB members' clubs, there would be access to senior football for all. Kerry have been doing it for years
You are a joke . This transfer is rotten to the core. Josephs gave him a address in a derelict house and you have the cheek to say ye didn't pursue it aggressively.
Not going to get involved in slagging matches with posters(who are obviously interested parties) on this subject. In fairness and in my memory transfers in Laois have caused many a debate and this case is no different. The rights and wrongs are varied and debatable but whats the difference between this transfer and any other transfer that was given.This year a player transferred from his home club (junior hurling) to a senior hurling club. Some high profile county players have in the recent past transferred from a junior club to senior club. I could name at least 20 or more that i know of. Its been going on for years now and until the GAA sets rules/regulations that cannot be contested transfers will always happen. None of us can accuse any club/player of covert activities as we do not know the players situation regarding where he/she live or work. The rules and conditions are there and if a player seeking the transfer can satisfy those conditions they will get their transfer. Obviously the player fulfilled those conditions at the deciding forum.
Quote from: High Fielder on July 05, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
He wanted to go there. He played all his juvenile football with Josephs. Did Josephs aggressively pursue him? No, they didn't. When he said he wanted to play for them, they backed him. There's a lot wrong in this case but Josephs took a good player in just like every other club would. Good players will always find it hard to progress in a small club. If it benefitted one of the CB members' clubs, there would be access to senior football for all. Kerry have been doing it for yearsGaa programmes
He wanted to go. That's not a justifiable reason for anyone to get a transfer.
He played all his juvenile football with St Joseph's!!! That's not a fact. St Joseph's haven't had a Juvenile team from U14 up for more than 10 years. So how could he have. St Joseph's have played with a gaels team which involved St Joseph's and barrowhouse player's called St Joseph's/Barrowhouse.
Did Josephs aggressively pursue him?
YES they very much did from what I am hearing. They had some very prominent members fighting his case over the last few weeks at the hearings. That to me is totally wrong.
Quote from: High Fielder on July 05, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
He wanted to go there. He played all his juvenile football with Josephs. Did Josephs aggressively pursue him? No, they didn't. When he said he wanted to play for them, they backed him. There's a lot wrong in this case but Josephs took a good player in just like every other club would. Good players will always find it hard to progress in a small club. If it benefitted one of the CB members' clubs, there would be access to senior football for all. Kerry have been doing it for years
This stinks. Lousy of Joseph's tbh.
Good players will rise to the top anyway. Being an intermediate club player never stopped Tadhg fennin, niall Donoher, donal Miller, Liam harnan, Lee Keegan to name just a few.
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on July 05, 2017, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on July 05, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
He wanted to go there. He played all his juvenile football with Josephs. Did Josephs aggressively pursue him? No, they didn't. When he said he wanted to play for them, they backed him. There's a lot wrong in this case but Josephs took a good player in just like every other club would. Good players will always find it hard to progress in a small club. If it benefitted one of the CB members' clubs, there would be access to senior football for all. Kerry have been doing it for years
You are a joke . This transfer is rotten to the core. Josephs gave him a address in a derelict house and you have the cheek to say ye didn't pursue it aggressively.
All transfers require an address. The Kingstons have one and still live in Barrowhouse - as you probably know only too well. Truth be told, nothing could be turned down after the KIngstons. That's as illegal as it gets. Brian Daly wanted to play for Josephs and not Barrowhouse. My understanding is that he instigated this move. Josephs backed it.
Quote from: Don Draper on July 05, 2017, 12:02:11 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on July 05, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
Did Josephs aggressively pursue him? No, they didn't.
If it benefitted one of the CB members' clubs, there would be access to senior football for all.
Both of this makes me laugh.
Both true. Nobody gives a shite what happens to Barrowhouse
I have a gut feeling that a couple of posters who are in turmoil over this transfer are not actually Barrowhouse people at all. My suspicions are they are from a club who are presently organising their future and that may include an invitation to Barrowhouse to join them. This transfer has slightly upset their plans.....
Most or all of the contentious transfers would be avoided if the CB gained access for all players to Senior Hurling or Football. As an earlier poster pointed out it works perfectly in Kerry amongst other counties
Quote from: HURLING1 on July 05, 2017, 03:18:21 PM
Most or all of the contentious transfers would be avoided if the CB gained access for all players to Senior Hurling or Football. As an earlier poster pointed out it works perfectly in Kerry amongst other counties
Well said...
Quote from: Toomanygaels on July 05, 2017, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on July 05, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
He wanted to go there. He played all his juvenile football with Josephs. Did Josephs aggressively pursue him? No, they didn't. When he said he wanted to play for them, they backed him. There's a lot wrong in this case but Josephs took a good player in just like every other club would. Good players will always find it hard to progress in a small club. If it benefitted one of the CB members' clubs, there would be access to senior football for all. Kerry have been doing it for yearsGaa programmes
He wanted to go. That's not a justifiable reason for anyone to get a transfer.
He played all his juvenile football with St Joseph's!!! That's not a fact. St Joseph's haven't had a Juvenile team from U14 up for more than 10 years. So how could he have. St Joseph's have played with a gaels team which involved St Joseph's and barrowhouse player's called St Joseph's/Barrowhouse.
Did Josephs aggressively pursue him? YES they very much did from what I am hearing. They had some very prominent members fighting his case over the last few weeks at the hearings. That to me is totally wrong.
Bit of advice.Believe half of what you see and nothing what you hear.
How long will it take to make official I assume he will be ready for the first round of championship? ??
Quote from: The Monument Road on July 05, 2017, 01:58:49 PM
.This year a player transferred from his home club (junior hurling) to a senior hurling club.
Who?
What was the point in having a hard stance with transfers at the start of the year if you are just going to give it in the end anyway, I dont understand how these lads are still in there jobs, they have overseen and been responsible for more controversies in their reign than probably been seen in the last 30 years in Laois. In a county like Laois no adult transfers should be given, the county isnt exactly that big to be fair. Either make it total zero tolerance or open it completely because theres too many holes in the laws at the moment.
Lets be honest if the Kingstons and Daly were with Barrowhouse you could basically swap Killen and Barrowhouses positions on the club ladder
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on July 05, 2017, 10:30:47 PM
What was the point in having a hard stance with transfers at the start of the year if you are just going to give it in the end anyway, I dont understand how these lads are still in there jobs, they have overseen and been responsible for more controversies in their reign than probably been seen in the last 30 years in Laois. In a county like Laois no adult transfers should be given, the county isnt exactly that big to be fair. Either make it total zero tolerance or open it completely because theres too many holes in the laws at the moment.
Lets be honest if the Kingstons and Daly were with Barrowhouse you could basically swap Killen and Barrowhouses positions on the club ladder
To be fair i dont think it was the CB who ratified this transfer or the hurling transfer.
Laois U-21 captain transfers from Barrowhouse to St Joseph's
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/07/05/laois-u-21-captain-transfers-barrowhouse-st-josephs/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/07/05/laois-u-21-captain-transfers-barrowhouse-st-josephs/)
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What a farce. It looks like the CB did more harm than good with their intervention. The Barrowhouse club is getting a raw deal out of this, and its members now have to watch three footballers going to other clubs to play their football. It's obvious reading the above that Daly did all the running and Josephs backed it, as any club would in the same circumstances. The CB have seriously let down Barrowhouse with their failed intervention. They have also failed as a Board to put in place a provision that ensures Senior football is available to everyone whilst simultaneously allowing a lad to stay with his home club. All in all, another embarrassing episode. If this was going on elsewhere, heads would be rolling. What has happened here could be the difference between Barrowhouse staying up or going down. If they do go down, they could argue that Daly wouldn't have got the transfer but for the CB's failed intervention. Interesting stuff
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 08:57:20 AMDaly did all the running and Josephs backed it, as any club would in the same circumstances.
Not true. Clubs have told lads to feck off before. I know of cases where lads have been politely told to stay where they are. Decent players too.
Joseph's have been lousy here to a club that propped up their underage teams for years.
Giving him a fake address is hardly doing nothing,also do you not think his mates from joesphs were not constantly encouraging him to transfer.One thing for sure its going to make them alot stronger
Quote from: SCFC on July 06, 2017, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 08:57:20 AMDaly did all the running and Josephs backed it, as any club would in the same circumstances.
Not true. Clubs have told lads to feck off before. I know of cases where lads have been politely told to stay where they are. Decent players too.
Joseph's have been lousy here to a club that propped up their underage teams for years.
If the rule was implemented properly when the Kingstons transferred, none of this would happen. Now it's open season in my opinion. You can't allow one and not another. I don't blame Josephs because it's been done before and it will be done again. Fair play to any club who turned a lad away on principle, but there's too much underhanded stuff going on in Laois. If you don't play the game, chances are you get left behind. Daly wanted to play with Jospehs. Always bear that in mind before having a go at Jospehs
If the rule was implemented properly when the Kingstons transferred, none of this would happen. Now it's open season in my opinion. You can't allow one and not another. I don't blame Josephs because it's been done before and it will be done again. Fair play to any club who turned a lad away on principle, but there's too much underhanded stuff going on in Laois. If you don't play the game, chances are you get left behind. Daly wanted to play with Jospehs. Always bear that in mind before having a go at Jospehs
Alot of players would like to play for plaois doesnt mean they can
Daly wanted to play for Josephs. He got his wish. What's your point?
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
Daly wanted to play for Josephs. He got his wish. What's your point?
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: SCFC on July 06, 2017, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 08:57:20 AMDaly did all the running and Josephs backed it, as any club would in the same circumstances.
Not true. Clubs have told lads to feck off before. I know of cases where lads have been politely told to stay where they are. Decent players too.
Joseph's have been lousy here to a club that propped up their underage teams for years.
If the rule was implemented properly when the Kingstons transferred, none of this would happen. Now it's open season in my opinion. You can't allow one and not another. I don't blame Josephs because it's been done before and it will be done again. Fair play to any club who turned a lad away on principle, but there's too much underhanded stuff going on in Laois. If you don't play the game, chances are you get left behind. Daly wanted to play with Jospehs. Always bear that in mind before having a go at Jospehs
None of which excuses Joseph's behaviour. They have screwed a club that was very good to them over the years.
Arles/barrowhouse coming to a pitch near you.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on July 06, 2017, 02:30:31 PM
Arles/barrowhouse coming to a pitch near you.
It's already in place at underage level, isn't it? Na Fianna or something like that
Quote from: SCFC on July 06, 2017, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
Daly wanted to play for Josephs. He got his wish. What's your point?
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: SCFC on July 06, 2017, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 08:57:20 AMDaly did all the running and Josephs backed it, as any club would in the same circumstances.
Not true. Clubs have told lads to feck off before. I know of cases where lads have been politely told to stay where they are. Decent players too.
Joseph's have been lousy here to a club that propped up their underage teams for years.
If the rule was implemented properly when the Kingstons transferred, none of this would happen. Now it's open season in my opinion. You can't allow one and not another. I don't blame Josephs because it's been done before and it will be done again. Fair play to any club who turned a lad away on principle, but there's too much underhanded stuff going on in Laois. If you don't play the game, chances are you get left behind. Daly wanted to play with Jospehs. Always bear that in mind before having a go at Jospehs
None of which excuses Joseph's behaviour. They have screwed a club that was very good to them over the years.
Do you feel the same about every transfer? Or just this one? Is it of for instance ok for Ballinakill to take Lir McDonald?
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 03:03:17 PM
Quote from: SCFC on July 06, 2017, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
Daly wanted to play for Josephs. He got his wish. What's your point?
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: SCFC on July 06, 2017, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 08:57:20 AMDaly did all the running and Josephs backed it, as any club would in the same circumstances.
Not true. Clubs have told lads to feck off before. I know of cases where lads have been politely told to stay where they are. Decent players too.
Joseph's have been lousy here to a club that propped up their underage teams for years.
If the rule was implemented properly when the Kingstons transferred, none of this would happen. Now it's open season in my opinion. You can't allow one and not another. I don't blame Josephs because it's been done before and it will be done again. Fair play to any club who turned a lad away on principle, but there's too much underhanded stuff going on in Laois. If you don't play the game, chances are you get left behind. Daly wanted to play with Jospehs. Always bear that in mind before having a go at Jospehs
None of which excuses Joseph's behaviour. They have screwed a club that was very good to them over the years.
Do you feel the same about every transfer? Or just this one? Is it of for instance ok for Ballinakill to take Lir McDonald?
Honestly don't know much about that case. But where the original club objects to transfer, I'd generally side with them. A genuine change of address is fair enough, I'd have thought.
In the three cases spoken about in relation to Barrowhouse, there will be no physical change of address. That is a fact. Your ire should be directed at the CB for allowing the initial transfer. They opened the can of worms
Not alone is this transfer debatable the Kingstons transfer is also debatable, as is the two transfers to Kileen last year from Spink, Dunphy and kelly, This chap who transferred from St Josephs to Ballinakill is also very debatable. Anyone remember the Bowe, Langton and ramsbottom transfers from Park to stradbally.That was very debateable back then although we didnt have social media those days. Can anyone tell me the difference between Dalys transfer and the above mentioned.Id like if those who are so vocal about Dalys to comment.
This is only the tip of the Iceberg
Go down to underage,minor 16 and 14 particularly in hurling and you have all sorts of shenanigans going on,no one seems to bother with transfers at that age group,it's a free for all.
Quote from: clonadmad on July 06, 2017, 05:41:42 PM
This is only the tip of the Iceberg
Go down to underage,minor 16 and 14 particularly in hurling and you have all sorts of shenanigans going on,no one seems to bother with transfers at that age group,it's a free for all.
Not familiar with the hurling side but something may be done about this whole transfer system. Even at inter county level the system is so open/free for all its beyond incredible. I know of some who moved counties ( to play club ) on an inter county transfer and never left their home county at any stage.
On another note Id say the higher authorities are not too smitten with our CB. I think our CB had to foot all expenses taken by individuals to the DRA this year. That annoys me. I am one of many who buy all county tickets etc and support functions etc. Hard raised funds going to pay DRA expenses !!.
Their legal advice must have been poor Monument. They gave illegal transfers and then tried to block more illegal transfers. Only in Laois
Quote from: The Monument Road on July 06, 2017, 04:13:42 PM
Not alone is this transfer debatable the Kingstons transfer is also debatable, as is the two transfers to Kileen last year from Spink, Dunphy and kelly, This chap who transferred from St Josephs to Ballinakill is also very debatable. Anyone remember the Bowe, Langton and ramsbottom transfers from Park to stradbally.That was very debateable back then although we didnt have social media those days. Can anyone tell me the difference between Dalys transfer and the above mentioned.Id like if those who are so vocal about Dalys to comment.
100% agreed. Stradbally screwed over Park every bit as badly back in the day. Neither of those chaps should have been allowed leave Spink either. Or the 2 Graigue lads playing with Killeen. All those moves stank.
There's probably more on the hurling side that I'm not familiar with.
Quote from: SCFC on July 06, 2017, 07:09:57 PM
Quote from: The Monument Road on July 06, 2017, 04:13:42 PM
Not alone is this transfer debatable the Kingstons transfer is also debatable, as is the two transfers to Kileen last year from Spink, Dunphy and kelly, This chap who transferred from St Josephs to Ballinakill is also very debatable. Anyone remember the Bowe, Langton and ramsbottom transfers from Park to stradbally.That was very debateable back then although we didnt have social media those days. Can anyone tell me the difference between Dalys transfer and the above mentioned.Id like if those who are so vocal about Dalys to comment.
100% agreed. Stradbally screwed over Park every bit as badly back in the day. Neither of those chaps should have been allowed leave Spink either. Or the 2 Graigue lads playing with Killeen. All those moves stank.
There's probably more on the hurling side that I'm not familiar with.
Danny Donoghue Harps to Ballyroan
Quote from: High Fielder on July 06, 2017, 08:57:20 AM
What a farce. It looks like the CB did more harm than good with their intervention. The Barrowhouse club is getting a raw deal out of this, and its members now have to watch three footballers going to other clubs to play their football. It's obvious reading the above that Daly did all the running and Josephs backed it, as any club would in the same circumstances. The CB have seriously let down Barrowhouse with their failed intervention. They have also failed as a Board to put in place a provision that ensures Senior football is available to everyone whilst simultaneously allowing a lad to stay with his home club. All in all, another embarrassing episode. If this was going on elsewhere, heads would be rolling. What has happened here could be the difference between Barrowhouse staying up or going down. If they do go down, they could argue that Daly wouldn't have got the transfer but for the CB's failed intervention. Interesting stuff
Well put together HF
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/259140/daly-transfer-goes-through-despite-concerns-raised-over-validity-of-permanent-residence.html#.WWSYzunyRSQ.twitter
How did he get this transfer. The evidence would overwhelmingly suggest he is not living in this derelict house.
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on July 11, 2017, 10:30:13 AM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/259140/daly-transfer-goes-through-despite-concerns-raised-over-validity-of-permanent-residence.html#.WWSYzunyRSQ.twitter
How did he get this transfer. The evidence would overwhelmingly suggest he is not living in this derelict house.
Just read it myself farcical stuff. The independent committee set up would really have to be looked at.
The lad daly will have a stigma attached to him for good unfortunately for him..
You have to admire club men who stick with a smaller club out of pride to themselves the likes of donoher with courtwood and the likes.
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on July 11, 2017, 10:30:13 AM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/259140/daly-transfer-goes-through-despite-concerns-raised-over-validity-of-permanent-residence.html#.WWSYzunyRSQ.twitter
How did he get this transfer. The evidence would overwhelmingly suggest he is not living in this derelict house.
Nothing new Pablo.I heard of one particular half built derelict house used in Kileen to facilitate transfer(s) with briers and bushes growing out the window. Do you know anything about that Pablo.
No derelict houses down here. We have two housing estates for these things 😉
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on July 11, 2017, 02:08:45 PM
No derelict houses down here. We have two housing estates for these things 😉
Good man Pablo. At least now we know the motive of your whinge. Im sure the Josephs lads on here are in titters.
At least hook that man up with a proper electricity supply. If we get a bad winter the poor chap will perish with the cold.
After reading that article and the other transfer tales in the past 10/15 years here in Laois
Let's call a spade a spade
If you want to transfer,you will get one.
Nevermind the rule book and the various refusals you might get from the various committees.
Plough on
You will eventually get your wish.
Now I'm off to tap up a few promising underage prospects in neighboring clubs.
You don't even have to be living in a parish to play underage hurling with another parish team at this stage (and no,I'm not talking about isolated players)
Quote from: clonadmad on July 11, 2017, 06:06:27 PM
After reading that article and the other transfer tales in the past 10/15 years here in Laois
Let's call a spade a spade
If you want to transfer,you will get one.
Nevermind the rule book and the various refusals you might get from the various committees.
Plough on
You will eventually get your wish.
Now I'm off to tap up a few promising underage prospects in neighboring clubs.
You don't even have to be living in a parish to play underage hurling with another parish team at this stage (and no,I'm not talking about isolated players)
Until a lad was refused a transfer to my club, on the basis of an address. He is genuinely living there (and has been for a good while), but it's all in his sister's name.
Sure, an esb bill for a cowshed was accepted in a case I know about. Apparently, a family of five living in a field.
Genuine case - turned down.
Fake esb bills - accepted.
Because....#countyboard.
The CB had some neck trying to stop Daly's transfer in view of all that has gone before. Did they have to pay the costs for their failed intervention? Barrowhouse should put in a vote of no confidence in the entire CB. How does a small club like that promote the GAA when three of its best players in the last number of years were granted illegal transfers? Little wonder we're in the mess we're in right now
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on July 11, 2017, 06:14:52 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 11, 2017, 06:06:27 PM
After reading that article and the other transfer tales in the past 10/15 years here in Laois
Let's call a spade a spade
If you want to transfer,you will get one.
Nevermind the rule book and the various refusals you might get from the various committees.
Plough on
You will eventually get your wish.
Now I'm off to tap up a few promising underage prospects in neighboring clubs.
You don't even have to be living in a parish to play underage hurling with another parish team at this stage (and no,I'm not talking about isolated players)
Until a lad was refused a transfer to my club, on the basis of an address. He is genuinely living there (and has been for a good while), but it's all in his sister's name.
Sure, an esb bill for a cowshed was accepted in a case I know about. Apparently, a family of five living in a field.
Genuine case - turned down.
Fake esb bills - accepted.
Because....#countyboard.
Well Dave
If at first you don't succeed..............
Get more creative in your approach and plough on
Obviously no one want to see someone transfer from their club to another club, especially when your own club is a small rural one. But my question is, what do you do if a player wants to transfer clubs? Dennoy them that opportunity and make them play with you when they don't want too? Which could result in them not playing at all. I do realise that there has to be restrictions in it or it would be like the premiership with players bouncing from one club to another. But if a player is looking for a transfer there must be some reason for it, perhaps if they collaborated the reasons behind the requests for transfers they may be able to solve the issue. I presume most transfers from small clubs to larger clubs is to play senior/higher grade, so the CB should give these players an outlet to play at a higher grade (Gaels teams/Divisional team) but still play for their own club. Probably easier said than done though.
Sure that was tried and clubs because of their own self interest turned it down. When you have underage amalgamations there will always be players like Daly wanting to make the move.
Does anyone know the rules around club transfers. If a club disagrees to a transfer is the player free to go after a period of inactivity despite the objection
No regardless of last time you played club is entitled to object. The address rule is the one that seems indisputable in Laois. The others are open to argument.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 13, 2018, 09:33:55 PM
Does anyone know the rules around club transfers. If a club disagrees to a transfer is the player free to go after a period of inactivity despite the objection
you seem to be from Derry. This sub forum probably isn't the best place to find out what you're looking for.
Thanks lads. I'll start another thread
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 13, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
Thanks lads. I'll start another thread
If you have any problems the DRA Sceilp will help you
Deadline day, very quiet on the transfer front this year
Any last minute deals?
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on January 31, 2018, 07:07:01 AM
Deadline day, very quiet on the transfer front this year
Any last minute deals?
Only one i heard of is the possible transfer of a former St Josephs player to Portlaoise. It was doing the rounds at the Limerick match.
Cant put a name to this one TBH
Quote from: portlaoisekid on January 31, 2018, 04:27:45 PM
Cant put a name to this one TBH
PJ Dempsey. Still has something to offer imho.
Interesting to see a player looking to transfer from his clubs this year to "Further his Football Career" even though he played senior championship last year. Surely will be refused???
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
Interesting to see a player looking to transfer from his clubs this year to "Further his Football Career" even though he played senior championship last year. Surely will be refused???
If his club have no objections, no one else should. Everyone knows where their priority lies when it comes to both codes. The only shame is he's going to the one club who shouldn't need any transfer but are constantly on the lookout for young talent of late rather than concentrating on maximizing their already vast numerical advantage.
Quote from: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
Interesting to see a player looking to transfer from his clubs this year to "Further his Football Career" even though he played senior championship last year. Surely will be refused???
If his club have no objections, no one else should. Everyone knows where their priority lies when it comes to both codes. The only shame is he's going to the one club who shouldn't need any transfer but are constantly on the lookout for young talent of late rather than concentrating on maximizing their already vast numerical advantage.
I dont think he should be let transfer to Portlaoise. Either he stays playing with Camross and Ballyfin or he should try and transfer to some other club bar Portlaoise.
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
Interesting to see a player looking to transfer from his clubs this year to "Further his Football Career" even though he played senior championship last year. Surely will be refused???
If his club have no objections, no one else should. Everyone knows where their priority lies when it comes to both codes. The only shame is he's going to the one club who shouldn't need any transfer but are constantly on the lookout for young talent of late rather than concentrating on maximizing their already vast numerical advantage.
I dont think he should be let transfer to Portlaoise. Either he stays playing with Camross and Ballyfin or he should try and transfer to some other club bar Portlaoise.
Agreed
Quote from: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:56:58 PM
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
Interesting to see a player looking to transfer from his clubs this year to "Further his Football Career" even though he played senior championship last year. Surely will be refused???
If his club have no objections, no one else should. Everyone knows where their priority lies when it comes to both codes. The only shame is he's going to the one club who shouldn't need any transfer but are constantly on the lookout for young talent of late rather than concentrating on maximizing their already vast numerical advantage.
I dont think he should be let transfer to Portlaoise. Either he stays playing with Camross and Ballyfin or he should try and transfer to some other club bar Portlaoise.
Agreed
He won't get a transfer on these grounds, he obviously has put this transfer with no help from Portlaoise as this would have no chance of getting through on those grounds and Portlaoise would have realized that.
Are camross still part of gaels for this year with Ballyfin it is it just with slieve Bloom?
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on February 05, 2018, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:56:58 PM
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
Interesting to see a player looking to transfer from his clubs this year to "Further his Football Career" even though he played senior championship last year. Surely will be refused???
If his club have no objections, no one else should. Everyone knows where their priority lies when it comes to both codes. The only shame is he's going to the one club who shouldn't need any transfer but are constantly on the lookout for young talent of late rather than concentrating on maximizing their already vast numerical advantage.
I dont think he should be let transfer to Portlaoise. Either he stays playing with Camross and Ballyfin or he should try and transfer to some other club bar Portlaoise.
Agreed
He won't get a transfer on these grounds, he obviously has put this transfer with no help from Portlaoise as this would have no chance of getting through on those grounds and Portlaoise would have realized that.
Rubbish. The Portlaoise secretary would have signed the transfer form. If that's not helping, I don't know what is.
Quote from: SCFC on February 05, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on February 05, 2018, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:56:58 PM
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Toomanygaels on February 05, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
Interesting to see a player looking to transfer from his clubs this year to "Further his Football Career" even though he played senior championship last year. Surely will be refused???
If his club have no objections, no one else should. Everyone knows where their priority lies when it comes to both codes. The only shame is he's going to the one club who shouldn't need any transfer but are constantly on the lookout for young talent of late rather than concentrating on maximizing their already vast numerical advantage.
I dont think he should be let transfer to Portlaoise. Either he stays playing with Camross and Ballyfin or he should try and transfer to some other club bar Portlaoise.
Agreed
He won't get a transfer on these grounds, he obviously has put this transfer with no help from Portlaoise as this would have no chance of getting through on those grounds and Portlaoise would have realized that.
Rubbish. The Portlaoise secretary would have signed the transfer form. If that's not helping, I don't know what is.
Have Portlaoise a secretary? Chairman? Treasurer?
Nobody from Portlaoise needs to sign anything .
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on February 05, 2018, 03:39:03 PM
Nobody from Portlaoise needs to sign anything .
So Portlaoise know nothing about this and didn't give the lad a hand with the paperwork? Hmm.
Portlaoise have been asking about this boy for a while I heard.
It's a pity
Under the current bye laws
Rural to Rural transfers are ok
But rural to urban (Portlaoise being the only designated urban club in the county) are subject to a number of criteria being meet.
Quote from: clonadmad on February 05, 2018, 03:54:56 PM
Under the current bye laws
Rural to Rural transfers are ok
But rural to urban (Portlaoise being the only designated urban club in the county) are subject to a number of criteria being meet.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Quote from: Bueller on February 05, 2018, 03:57:08 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 05, 2018, 03:54:56 PM
Under the current bye laws
Rural to Rural transfers are ok
But rural to urban (Portlaoise being the only designated urban club in the county) are subject to a number of criteria being meet.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Well thems the rules,it's easy being cynical given what went on in the Rafter case,but sooner or later the County Board will have to enforce its own rules or rip them up and give Portlaoise a free reign.
I seriously doubt anyone in Portlaoise has anything to do with this. They are well aware of the criteria.
If they did I am sure they would have filled in something that he may possibly have qualified under, rather than something that will 100% be turned down.
Portlaoise most definitely know the rules.
Portlaoise are an exception to the rules also having the possibility of Urban to Rural, which only Portlaoise qualify under, that being Portlaoise cannot object to players wanting to transfer out for any reason. The rest of us can object to player transfers. Rural to Rural come under the normal criteria within Laois bye laws as do Rural to Urban. I am always surprised more clubs cannot avail of this possibility I suppose it's because of Portlaoise success not too many want to leave.
Are we talking about Sean Moore here?
Quote from: High Fielder on February 05, 2018, 04:43:45 PM
Are we talking about Sean Moore here?
No. A Camross footballer.
Quote from: The PRO on February 05, 2018, 05:59:01 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on February 05, 2018, 04:43:45 PM
Are we talking about Sean Moore here?
No. A Camross footballer.
Will that include hurling with Portlaoise aswell is transfer goes in?
Quote from: Helix on February 05, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: The PRO on February 05, 2018, 05:59:01 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on February 05, 2018, 04:43:45 PM
Are we talking about Sean Moore here?
No. A Camross footballer.
Will that include hurling with Portlaoise aswell is transfer goes in?
It would have to. He is looking to transfer from one dual club to another. I don't know if he hurls much?
Quote from: The PRO on February 05, 2018, 06:55:15 PM
Quote from: Helix on February 05, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: The PRO on February 05, 2018, 05:59:01 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on February 05, 2018, 04:43:45 PM
Are we talking about Sean Moore here?
No. A Camross footballer.
Will that include hurling with Portlaoise aswell is transfer goes in?
It would have to. He is looking to transfer from one dual club to another. I don't know if he hurls much?
Hurled intermediate for Camross be an addition for Portlaoise.
It's not going to happen so not worth worrying about.
So presuming his transfer gets turned down, (farcical if it wasn't) he now has no access to senior football?
Not going to happen, player 100% drove the transfer and wanted to transfer last year but CB said no chance so he ended up with Ballyfin. Nothing has changed.
I seem to remember a post on here about a young lad who wanted to play for Ballinakill and his reasons were something similar i.e to play at senior level. Didn't that get ratified? I don't know how any transfer in Laois can be refused after everything that happened in Barrowhouse in recent times. All three of those lads still live in Barrowhouse and the whole county knows it. They just play with neighbouring clubs, and not even the same ones.
But the application was on address grounds which meets the criteria, wanting to improve your standard of football does not.
Quote from: High Fielder on February 06, 2018, 10:47:02 AM
I seem to remember a post on here about a young lad who wanted to play for Ballinakill and his reasons were something similar i.e to play at senior level. Didn't that get ratified? I don't know how any transfer in Laois can be refused after everything that happened in Barrowhouse in recent times. All three of those lads still live in Barrowhouse and the whole county knows it. They just play with neighbouring clubs, and not even the same ones.
Its almost like you knew the answer to that question you were asking.
If the lad wants the transfer, he will get it. Simple as that. He might have to work hard to do so, but eventually he will get over the line. The CB set a ridiculous precedent with the Kingstons and made a hames of trying to row back on it when Daly went to Josephs. Someone will no doubt come back at me with some obscure bye law, but the damage is done and has been done a long time ago. It was reckless, immoral and plain stupid what was done against Barrowhouse, and their officers should never tire of telling them so.
Why are there deleted posts on this thread? My last post yesterday is gone. Did it all kick off or what?
Looks like someone went upstairs and complained all right,was harmless enough from what I could see
Quote from: portlaoisekid on February 07, 2018, 08:51:17 AM
Why are there deleted posts on this thread? My last post yesterday is gone. Did it all kick off or what?
It got fierce nasty, phone calls were even exchanged.
::) ::)
So the Camross lad going to play for Portlaoise is Robert Tyrell?
Quote from: Laoiseabu on February 08, 2018, 01:52:00 AM
So the Camross lad going to play for Portlaoise is Robert Tyrell?
No, Tis Zane
Scott Conroy is back with Ballyroan he will be a useful addition to them a strong clever player who can kick a score didn't he score for London v wexford in 2016
Quote from: Unlaoised on February 08, 2018, 04:30:46 PM
Scott Conroy is back with Ballyroan he will be a useful addition to them a strong clever player who can kick a score didn't he score for London v wexford in 2016
Yeah and McMahon more available to them too having left Laois squad.
I see Arles have picked up a very good player in PJ Lawlor of Dr Crimes. A garda in Portlaoise I hear.
Quote from: SCFC on February 13, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
I see Arles have picked up a very good player in PJ Lawlor of Dr Crimes. A garda in Portlaoise I hear.
Portlaoise won't like that one bit.
A Kerryman with strong Laois connections.
Sure Crosbie had our best footballers sent to Kerry in the 17th century. No wonder Kerry are so good, it's the Laois bloodline
https://www.omahonys.ie/from-laois-to-kerry-p-482696.html (https://www.omahonys.ie/from-laois-to-kerry-p-482696.html)
Quote from: Don Draper on February 14, 2018, 10:29:05 AM
Quote from: SCFC on February 13, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
I see Arles have picked up a very good player in PJ Lawlor of Dr Crimes. A garda in Portlaoise I hear.
Portlaoise won't like that one bit.
Could be one for the DRA!
Quote from: Don Draper on February 14, 2018, 10:29:05 AM
Quote from: SCFC on February 13, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
I see Arles have picked up a very good player in PJ Lawlor of Dr Crimes. A garda in Portlaoise I hear.
Portlaoise won't like that one bit.
Sure I thought we are not allowed transfers so as to keep the rest of the county sweet?
Quote from: portlaoisekid on February 14, 2018, 01:56:28 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 14, 2018, 10:29:05 AM
Quote from: SCFC on February 13, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
I see Arles have picked up a very good player in PJ Lawlor of Dr Crimes. A garda in Portlaoise I hear.
Portlaoise won't like that one bit.
Sure I thought we are not allowed transfers so as to keep the rest of the county sweet?
You'd be mistaken, have a word with your top table.
Nice transfer for Arles alright
Quote from: CruiseCigar on February 14, 2018, 10:55:46 PM
Nice transfer for Arles alright
They will need more than him I think. Getting very old as a team with not many coming through.
Quote from: redsetanta on February 14, 2018, 11:39:30 AM
A Kerryman with strong Laois connections.
Sure Crosbie had our best footballers sent to Kerry in the 17th century. No wonder Kerry are so good, it's the Laois bloodline
https://www.omahonys.ie/from-laois-to-kerry-p-482696.html (https://www.omahonys.ie/from-laois-to-kerry-p-482696.html)
I've used that argument a number of time, late at night it has to be said. Yes and to north Kerry around Tarbert..... hardy boys around there.
I see Adam Ryan's transfer back to Port from St Judes gone through.
Don't know the story there but he was one of the finest underage players in many years. Would be a big boost to Port to have him on board and firing on all cylinders. Only 25 or so.
Quote from: SCFC on February 20, 2018, 09:36:51 AM
I see Adam Ryan's transfer back to Port from St Judes gone through.
Don't know the story there but he was one of the finest underage players in many years. Would be a big boost to Port to have him on board and firing on all cylinders. Only 25 or so.
He was superb as a minor and when he broke on to what was a poor Port team a few years ago he was head and shoulders their best player even at that tneder young age.
Hope he gets back to some sort of form like that and he has plenty of time!
Ryan is a good addition to that Port team. They are coming along nicely these past few years and there was very little between themselves and Ballylinan. Can be challengers if they keep progressing.
Barrow house losing another of their top players to a senior club. ..not as much as a whimper from the ColumbIan about it either. .let's hear from you Pablo.
Quote from: The Monument Road on March 24, 2018, 11:36:12 AM
Barrow house losing another of their top players to a senior club. ..not as much as a whimper from the ColumbIan about it either. .let's hear from you Pablo.
Whats this now?
Quote from: Unlaoised on February 08, 2018, 04:30:46 PM
Scott Conroy is back with Ballyroan he will be a useful addition to them a strong clever player who can kick a score didn't he score for London v wexford in 2016
Hurling for 'picas, too, I believe.
Quote from: Don Draper on March 24, 2018, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: The Monument Road on March 24, 2018, 11:36:12 AMA new recruit for Graigcullen.
Barrow house losing another of their top players to a senior club. ..not as much as a whimper from the ColumbIan about it either. .let's hear from you Pablo.
Whats this now?
Quote from: Don Draper on March 24, 2018, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: The Monument Road on March 24, 2018, 11:36:12 AM
Barrow house losing another of their top players to a senior club. ..not as much as a whimper from the ColumbIan about it either. .let's hear from you Pablo.
Whats this now?
Eric Mackey
Not traking up old coals but I think it needs saying...Brian Dalys desire to join a senior club is beginning to bear fruit...he looks like a very good senior player after training and playing with St Joseph's
Quote from: The Monument Road on September 16, 2018, 07:34:28 PM
Not traking up old coals but I think it needs saying...Brian Dalys desire to join a senior club is beginning to bear fruit...he looks like a very good senior player after training and playing with St Joseph's
Mother of f**k.
Quote from: The Monument Road on September 16, 2018, 07:34:28 PM
Not traking up old coals but I think it needs saying...Brian Dalys desire to join a senior club is beginning to bear fruit...he looks like a very good senior player after training and playing with St Joseph's
Yes it appears to be the way to go alright. Maybe someone should suggest it to Eoin Dunne in Rosenallis and Rob Tyrell in Camross. Maybe Hitchcock in Ratheniska too? No point messing around in Junior and Intermediate. Senior football is where it's at. 8)
Quote from: The Monument Road on September 16, 2018, 07:34:28 PM
Not traking up old coals but I think it needs saying
Yes. Raking up old coals is exactly what you're doing.
Any moves afoot? I know Arles have picked up a very decent former Cork player. Played under 21, junior and senior for Cork.
Not on home soil these days but trolled the transfer schedules and no mention of a player going to "Arles" yet. I did see a Conor Delaney transferring from Stradbally to Mulingar Shamrocks. If its the same Conor i know he is a huge loss to Stradbally...
Quote from: The Monument Road on February 12, 2019, 02:59:26 PM
Not on home soil these days but trolled the transfer schedules and no mention of a player going to "Arles" yet. I did see a Conor Delaney transferring from Stradbally to Mulingar Shamrocks. If its the same Conor i know he is a huge loss to Stradbally...
It mightn't be on the website yet but it is gone through. Chris O'Donovan is the lad's name.
Where did yee see the transfers lads? Delaney would be a loss to Stradbally alright
Quote from: Hospital Pass on February 12, 2019, 04:21:55 PM
Where did yee see the transfers lads? Delaney would be a loss to Stradbally alright
Leinster Council Website transfer section
Quote from: The Monument Road on February 12, 2019, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Hospital Pass on February 12, 2019, 04:21:55 PM
Where did yee see the transfers lads? Delaney would be a loss to Stradbally alright
Leinster Council Website transfer section
Transfer from Cork club to Laois club won't appear on that website. That's only for transfers between two Leinster clubs.
Quote from: SCFC on February 12, 2019, 08:18:07 PM
Quote from: The Monument Road on February 12, 2019, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Hospital Pass on February 12, 2019, 04:21:55 PM
Where did yee see the transfers lads? Delaney would be a loss to Stradbally alright
Leinster Council Website transfer section
Transfer from Cork club to Laois club won't appear on that website. That's only for transfers between two Leinster clubs.
Conor Delaneys transfer ratification is on the Leinster Website transfer schedule 2019. He was transferred to Kilbeggan Shamrocks on 25/01/2019. I did mistakenly say Mullingar Shamrocks in my previous note
Is it possible to see a copy of this?
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 13, 2019, 06:56:27 PM
Is it possible to see a copy of this?
Contact your club secretary. It's not fair to share or obtain it any other way.
Not fair on who?
Quote from: High Fielder on February 14, 2019, 10:28:34 AM
Not fair on who?
The children. Won't someone think of the childer?
I see Killeshin and Graigue have declared war on each other.
Quote from: The PRO on February 14, 2019, 09:34:19 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 13, 2019, 06:56:27 PM
Is it possible to see a copy of this?
Contact your club secretary. It's not fair to share or obtain it any other way.
But it's fair for you to share one specific transfer on here
Quote from: Don Draper on February 15, 2019, 07:09:33 AM
I see Killeshin and Graigue have declared war on each other.
So to summarize
Killeshin Throw crettyard our of their amalgamation and then go poaching in Graiguecullen.
And then Graiguecullen issue a statement
And Killeshin play Graiguecullen in the Kelly Cup this weekend
Where is this fixture on looks like we could be on for a record Kelly Cup attendance😂😂😂
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on February 15, 2019, 09:56:22 AM
Where is this fixture on looks like we could be on for a record Kelly Cup attendance😂😂😂
Its all ticket now
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on February 15, 2019, 09:56:22 AM
Where is this fixture on looks like we could be on for a record Kelly Cup attendance😂😂😂
2PM on Sunday in Killeshin. Killeshin committee members will be on 24 hour patrol before the game to prevent any Graigue graffiti artists from getting access to the grounds, while Graigue supporters are asked to vigilant at all times in case their children are made sign a transfer form when they're not looking.
Killeshin and Crettyard need to mend their bridges. From what I know, one club had enough players in one age group and told the other they were no longer needed. One age group. Not the entire underage set up, but just one age group. This has been done before in another club and perhaps as expected, it hasn't served them well. I cannot abide such a blinkered and short term point of view, and it is exactly this frame of mind that has us poaching off our neighbours and not looking at the bigger picture. All the while, lads who need access to senior football are getting squeezed into oblivion. We need to be spending our time constructively instead of beating away the neighbour with the sweeping brush.
Game now moved to 3PM. This is to allow extra time for stewards to remove weapons from supporters entering the ground
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 15, 2019, 07:56:00 AM
Quote from: The PRO on February 14, 2019, 09:34:19 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 13, 2019, 06:56:27 PM
Is it possible to see a copy of this?
Contact your club secretary. It's not fair to share or obtain it any other way.
But it's fair for you to share one specific transfer on here
You're right. I'll remove my post and anyone wants to get the information can contact their club secretary.
I don't think Killeshin have thought this through fully especially when current Graigue players are getting invitations through the door 🤔
Killeshin at this time have a bigger pick of players than they have ever had in their history and yet they go poaching from their neighbours and fellow parishioners. They have always been a very proud club and have never stooped to this level even when they were struggling so whoever is behind this should hang their heads in shame.
A lot of Killeshin people are disgusted with this carry on and want nothing to do with it. They want their own sons and daughters to play with that club, not some people who have been fooled into joining them now and will have to live with it for the rest of their lives when they are old enough to realise what they have done. They have a great setup now in the club and have won the admiration of a lot of Laois people but one thing that is not acceptable in Laois is the poaching of players, especially when its done so publicly. Just ask Killeen about that.....
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 16, 2019, 02:21:47 AM
Killeshin at this time have a bigger pick of players than they have ever had in their history and yet they go poaching from their neighbours and fellow parishioners. They have always been a very proud club and have never stooped to this level even when they were struggling so whoever is behind this should hang their heads in shame.
A lot of Killeshin people are disgusted with this carry on and want nothing to do with it. They want their own sons and daughters to play with that club, not some people who have been fooled into joining them now and will have to live with it for the rest of their lives when they are old enough to realise what they have done. They have a great setup now in the club and have won the admiration of a lot of Laois people but one thing that is not acceptable in Laois is the poaching of players, especially when its done so publicly. Just ask Killeen about that.....
Sadly poaching is very acceptable in this county, you can ask Killeen and many other clubs about that.
No it's not acceptable, it happens but clubs that do it get a very bad name for themselves and are despised by every real GAA person in Laois and everyother club in the County. Killeshin are in danger of heading that way if they don't cop on, a few people in that club seem destined to destroy everything they have achieved up till now.
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 16, 2019, 02:37:18 PM
No it's not acceptable, it happens but clubs that do it get a very bad name for themselves and are despised by every real GAA person in Laois and everyother club in the County. Killeshin are in danger of heading that way if they don't cop on, a few people in that club seem destined to destroy everything they have achieved up till now.
Come down off your cross. It's accepted. What did the real GAA men you speak of do when the Kingston's were taken? What did they do when Daly was taken? What did they do when Bowe and Ramsbottom were taken? Jesus I could go on and on.
You and the rest of your real GAA men can go and shite.
What is the current ruling anyway? Is it still the case that an address can seal a transfer, even though you don't actually live in the area?
How do Graiguecullen people feel about Clonad, Ratheniska or The Heath recruiting juvenile players from Portlaoise town, or The Rock doing likewise in Mountmellick? Because as far as I can see, this is the exact same scenario. Killeshin, as a rural club on the edge of a large urban area, did a flyer drop and put up a few posters advertising a registration night. They are 100% entitled to do that and fair play to them, we give out about clubs fading away to obscurity. They're trying to grow.
Quote from: steven seagal on February 16, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
How do Graiguecullen people feel about Clonad, Ratheniska or The Heath recruiting juvenile players from Portlaoise town, or The Rock doing likewise in Mountmellick? Because as far as I can see, this is the exact same scenario. Killeshin, as a rural club on the edge of a large urban area, did a flyer drop and put up a few posters advertising a registration night. They are 100% entitled to do that and fair play to them, we give out about clubs fading away to obscurity. They're trying to grow.
There's no gun put to their heads at the end of the day. Only promoting another option. There's enough children at home engaging in next to no activity and getting kids out to be involved in some activity is the main thing. Evolve or become extinct.
And that's all Killeen were doing too so that's OK then is it? People have been criticising Killeen since they started doing it but now suddenly it's all OK... Fair enough....
Quote from: steven seagal on February 16, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
How do Graiguecullen people feel about Clonad, Ratheniska or The Heath recruiting juvenile players from Portlaoise town, or The Rock doing likewise in Mountmellick? Because as far as I can see, this is the exact same scenario. Killeshin, as a rural club on the edge of a large urban area, did a flyer drop and put up a few posters advertising a registration night. They are 100% entitled to do that and fair play to them, we give out about clubs fading away to obscurity. They're trying to grow.
Clonad have always got players from the town and are entitled to. Heath and Ratheniska wouldn't have many players from the town, would they? Friend of mine lives on Dublin Road side of town, has two kids in The Heath school but they play football with Portlaoise.
Quote from: Helix. on February 16, 2019, 06:57:50 PM
Quote from: steven seagal on February 16, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
How do Graiguecullen people feel about Clonad, Ratheniska or The Heath recruiting juvenile players from Portlaoise town, or The Rock doing likewise in Mountmellick? Because as far as I can see, this is the exact same scenario. Killeshin, as a rural club on the edge of a large urban area, did a flyer drop and put up a few posters advertising a registration night. They are 100% entitled to do that and fair play to them, we give out about clubs fading away to obscurity. They're trying to grow.
There's no gun put to their heads at the end of the day. Only promoting another option. There's enough children at home engaging in next to no activity and getting kids out to be involved in some activity is the main thing. Evolve or become extinct.
It'll be interesting to see Croke park's response to this.
The whole essence of the gaa is a sense of place, if this is diluted , we're in trouble
When our CB tried to shut the gate, they forgot that it was they who had opened it. Or maybe they didn't forget, but just tried to shut the gate because it no longer suited them to leave it open. Either way, how we carry on is at times crazy. I would say that our underage structures are a jumbled up mess of clubs aligning themselves with what looks like the next best available option. This pays no regard to tradition or history and sometimes completely opposes the situation at adult level. In the middle of all this, you have lads being poached. f**king mental.
Who are underage players in Crettyard gonna play with now?
Not with Killeshin anyway, seems they have enough and don't really care what happens Crettyard.
Our CB need to get involved here. You can't just throw out or disregard a Club's youngsters because you had one bumper harvest. This is the problem with our set up in a nutshell. Clubs who are rivals first and foremost will engage in this sort of bullshit where they perceive there to be an advantage in the long term. It is a very narrow view of the world, and set against the broader discussions that we have on here about improving quality, I'm afraid this does the opposite. Crettyard"s youngsters are in limbo and Killeshin, as a small country club, suddenly needs Carlow to turn into a city. It would be comical if there weren't kids involved and we weren't interested in their future participation. Nothing surprises me in Laois anymore. We're a soap opera
Quote from: Laoiseabu on February 16, 2019, 11:41:32 PM
Who are underage players in Crettyard gonna play with now?
Na Fianna Og,now a 4 club Juvenile amalgamation
Seemingly Crettyard are low in numbers but high in quality,I have no connection with either Killeshin or Crettyard,but what Killeshin did was shortsighted and plain wrong
Interesting times ahead too for Castletown, Slieve Bloom and the other na Fianna
So Crettyard are going in with Na Fianna Og? Is that confirmed clonadmad? This just gets more and more ridiculous. Welcome to Na Fianna Og. Home of the Robbed and Abandoned. Should be easy enough to make a club badge anyway. What a mess. Embarrassing
people need to get their facts right ,crettyard pulled their u13 first didnt want to play with killeshin the minute they could make a team by their own. when killeshin could have done that every year because they had the numbers to make teams ,all this was instigated by cretty killeshin only pulled out of amalgation after cretty did this
It doesn't really matter who pulled the plug. Can it be resolved? It really needs to be, because expecting youngsters to pull on a different jersey depending on the way the wind blows is negligence.
i dont know cretty were egging at this for a while they knew what the consequence were if they did this ,they want to play with killeshin when they cant make a team. but when they could they didnt want to ,its all in or nothing can,t have it both ways i do feel sorry for the lads that had played all the way up together because a lot of them were friends ,on the other side killeshin left killeshin players on the line to accommodate cretty players ,a lot of bad blood now .
dont think it will be resolved
And the same will happen in Na Fianna Og, who let's face it, also have a marriage of convenience. With four clubs involved, how can that ever succeed? There needs to be a settled and logical solution to our entire underage set up. Killeshin/Crettyard was working. There was nothing wrong with the arrangement. It benefitted them both, and for two relatively small clubs, they were developing players well. That's the bit that gets forgotten. Stephen Attride and Evan O'Carroll both played for the underage amalgamation, as did many others involved with Laois. With respect, neither club traditionally contributed much to the county. Now they do.
But look, throw that all away because you have enough to put out an Under 13 team. That makes all the sense in the world ::)
i agreed with you high fielder , buts its all or nothing all age groups play together ,not some when it suits ,cretty have a lot of good young players but very small number most teams only 3,4,5 at the most so cretty were getting more benifit than killeshin but they did not see that way,
now this is whats are happening because they wanted to have one age group cretty only,
As I said above, Laois' infrastructure and its mechanics are a soap opera.
In these sort of arrangements, I have seen first hand the pressure that exists to get everyone on the field. People can no longer accept that their youngster, their player, does not deserve to start. So some bright spark said when we have enough of one age group, we'll register them as a single team. This is not the first time this has happened. I think this is what brought Ballylinan Genmore to its knees as well. It needs to be discussed at length and arrangements need to be set in stone. There is a feeling of Open Season about everything we do, and it's very divisive. Talk about area teams and players getting access to senior football can be shelved until this sort of nonsense is resolved
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 16, 2019, 07:23:57 PM
And that's all Killeen were doing too so that's OK then is it? People have been criticising Killeen since they started doing it but now suddenly it's all OK... Fair enough....
You're not comparing like with like Junior. Killeen proved to be the highest bidders and set the lads up with an address. They were established footballers at that stage. I've seen the flyer Killeshin sent out. Nowhere on it is anyone encouraged to leave Graiguecullen or transfer away from them. It just stated they were having a juvenile registration night, and new players were welcome.
You're comparing the active pursuit of a high-profile intercounty player with a club trying to inform potentially eligible young players in their catchment area that they can register with the club and play football.
Quote from: clonadmad on February 17, 2019, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on February 16, 2019, 11:41:32 PM
Who are underage players in Crettyard gonna play with now?
Na Fianna Og,now a 4 club Juvenile amalgamation
Seemingly Crettyard are low in numbers but high in quality,I have no connection with either Killeshin or Crettyard,but what Killeshin did was shortsighted and plain wrong
Interesting times ahead too for Castletown, Slieve Bloom and the other na Fianna
That's gone tits up too?
Quote from: High Fielder on February 17, 2019, 11:27:02 AM
As I said above, Laois' infrastructure and its mechanics are a soap opera.
In these sort of arrangements, I have seen first hand the pressure that exists to get everyone on the field. People can no longer accept that their youngster, their player, does not deserve to start. So some bright spark said when we have enough of one age group, we'll register them as a single team. This is not the first time this has happened. I think this is what brought Ballylinan Genmore to its knees as well. It needs to be discussed at length and arrangements need to be set in stone. There is a feeling of Open Season about everything we do, and it's very divisive. Talk about area teams and players getting access to senior football can be shelved until this sort of nonsense is resolved
Have to agree 100% Ballylinan went on their own a few years back due to one team initially pushing for it. The Rock split with St Pauls over one team. St Josephs and Barrowhouse probably over one player but it was hard to blame Barrowhouse. The word is that Crettyard pulled the trigger on their split with Killeshin while Kilcavan went on their own once they were able to. This is only football and hurling is probably similar. Have to admire Stradbally Parish Gaels for going the distance. There is no problem with any club going on their own if they have the numbers but they can't have it everyway. Killeshin were dead right to pull the whole thing if Crettyard initiated the latest split. Why deal with a club who will let you down when it suits them.
Quote from: laoisboy on February 17, 2019, 10:25:34 AM
people need to get their facts right ,crettyard pulled their u13 first didnt want to play with killeshin the minute they could make a team bye their own. when killeshin could have done that every year because they had the numbers to make teams ,all this was instigated by cretty their age groups where they couldnt killeshin only pulled out of amalgation after cretty did this
Did both killeshin and crettyard have enough at u13 for 2 seperate teams?
If they had
surely there was no issue to keeping the amalgamation together and both clubs entering 2 seperate u13 teams,is it not all about giving lads game time rather than having 15 lads standing on a sideline
The other option was to put in 2 Killeshin /crettyard teams in u13 A and either B or C
Coiste na nOg and the County Board should be knocking heads together instead of wringing their hands
Quote from: Downtheroad on February 17, 2019, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on February 17, 2019, 11:27:02 AM
As I said above, Laois' infrastructure and its mechanics are a soap opera.
In these sort of arrangements, I have seen first hand the pressure that exists to get everyone on the field. People can no longer accept that their youngster, their player, does not deserve to start. So some bright spark said when we have enough of one age group, we'll register them as a single team. This is not the first time this has happened. I think this is what brought Ballylinan Genmore to its knees as well. It needs to be discussed at length and arrangements need to be set in stone. There is a feeling of Open Season about everything we do, and it's very divisive. Talk about area teams and players getting access to senior football can be shelved until this sort of nonsense is resolved
Have to agree 100% Ballylinan went on their own a few years back due to one team initially pushing for it. The Rock split with St Pauls over one team. St Josephs and Barrowhouse probably over one player but it was hard to blame Barrowhouse. The word is that Crettyard pulled the trigger on their split with Killeshin while Kilcavan went on their own once they were able to. This is only football and hurling is probably similar. Have to admire Stradbally Parish Gaels for going the distance. There is no problem with any club going on their own if they have the numbers but they can't have it everyway. Killeshin were dead right to pull the whole thing if Crettyard initiated the latest split. Why deal with a club who will let you down when it suits them.
SPG came very close to disbanding last year over the Stradbally name in the team's name and no recognition of the other 2 clubs
Quote from: clonadmad on February 17, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on February 17, 2019, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on February 17, 2019, 11:27:02 AM
As I said above, Laois' infrastructure and its mechanics are a soap opera.
In these sort of arrangements, I have seen first hand the pressure that exists to get everyone on the field. People can no longer accept that their youngster, their player, does not deserve to start. So some bright spark said when we have enough of one age group, we'll register them as a single team. This is not the first time this has happened. I think this is what brought Ballylinan Genmore to its knees as well. It needs to be discussed at length and arrangements need to be set in stone. There is a feeling of Open Season about everything we do, and it's very divisive. Talk about area teams and players getting access to senior football can be shelved until this sort of nonsense is resolved
Have to agree 100% Ballylinan went on their own a few years back due to one team initially pushing for it. The Rock split with St Pauls over one team. St Josephs and Barrowhouse probably over one player but it was hard to blame Barrowhouse. The word is that Crettyard pulled the trigger on their split with Killeshin while Kilcavan went on their own once they were able to. This is only football and hurling is probably similar. Have to admire Stradbally Parish Gaels for going the distance. There is no problem with any club going on their own if they have the numbers but they can't have it everyway. Killeshin were dead right to pull the whole thing if Crettyard initiated the latest split. Why deal with a club who will let you down when it suits them.
SPG came very close to disbanding last year over the Stradbally name in the team's name and no recognition of the other 2 clubs
That and one club poaching another's players
Quote from: Don Draper on February 17, 2019, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 17, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on February 17, 2019, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on February 17, 2019, 11:27:02 AM
As I said above, Laois' infrastructure and its mechanics are a soap opera.
In these sort of arrangements, I have seen first hand the pressure that exists to get everyone on the field. People can no longer accept that their youngster, their player, does not deserve to start. So some bright spark said when we have enough of one age group, we'll register them as a single team. This is not the first time this has happened. I think this is what brought Ballylinan Genmore to its knees as well. It needs to be discussed at length and arrangements need to be set in stone. There is a feeling of Open Season about everything we do, and it's very divisive. Talk about area teams and players getting access to senior football can be shelved until this sort of nonsense is resolved
Have to agree 100% Ballylinan went on their own a few years back due to one team initially pushing for it. The Rock split with St Pauls over one team. St Josephs and Barrowhouse probably over one player but it was hard to blame Barrowhouse. The word is that Crettyard pulled the trigger on their split with Killeshin while Kilcavan went on their own once they were able to. This is only football and hurling is probably similar. Have to admire Stradbally Parish Gaels for going the distance. There is no problem with any club going on their own if they have the numbers but they can't have it everyway. Killeshin were dead right to pull the whole thing if Crettyard initiated the latest split. Why deal with a club who will let you down when it suits them.
SPG came very close to disbanding last year over the Stradbally name in the team's name and no recognition of the other 2 clubs
That and one club poaching another's players
Really Don
When was there poaching in the past few years?
Interesting to see signs in Portlaoise town trying to recruit players to Clonad. Similar situation to Killeshin going into Graigue?
killeshin & cretty always played together
clonadmad and if they had 2 decent teams they could put a team in the A championship instead of the B championship if they were seperate it would be in the B championship ,the more exposure you give kids to high quality football the better they become
more so when they reach old age groups.
their were whispers last year of cretty joining with spink ,so i dont think cretty were happy with the set up
we have good county players for laois from crettyard&killeshin so i thought it was working good
for both clubs
This should be a priority for the CB. They need to get both sides of the story and they need to mediate so that a resolution can be found. There is no such thing as the perfect scenario in all age groups for smaller clubs, which is why these arrangements exist in principle. There will always be the odd bumper harvest, a baby boom or an upsurge n interest, but this should never be mistaken for the norm. Clubs need to be mature enough to co exist with neighbours for the overall wellbeing of their underage players. This sort of stuff does not serve Laois well, but more importantly, it is harmful to the clubs themselves. Killeshin/Crettyard was a success story, and there is no reason why it can't be in the future.
hope your right high fielder ,dont think it will be resolved could be something both teams regret but if one club is not happy what can you do ,thats the impressions for the last few years ,its not the kids that are the problem ,its the adults are the problem
Quote from: clonadmad on February 17, 2019, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 17, 2019, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 17, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on February 17, 2019, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on February 17, 2019, 11:27:02 AM
As I said above, Laois' infrastructure and its mechanics are a soap opera.
In these sort of arrangements, I have seen first hand the pressure that exists to get everyone on the field. People can no longer accept that their youngster, their player, does not deserve to start. So some bright spark said when we have enough of one age group, we'll register them as a single team. This is not the first time this has happened. I think this is what brought Ballylinan Genmore to its knees as well. It needs to be discussed at length and arrangements need to be set in stone. There is a feeling of Open Season about everything we do, and it's very divisive. Talk about area teams and players getting access to senior football can be shelved until this sort of nonsense is resolved
Have to agree 100% Ballylinan went on their own a few years back due to one team initially pushing for it. The Rock split with St Pauls over one team. St Josephs and Barrowhouse probably over one player but it was hard to blame Barrowhouse. The word is that Crettyard pulled the trigger on their split with Killeshin while Kilcavan went on their own once they were able to. This is only football and hurling is probably similar. Have to admire Stradbally Parish Gaels for going the distance. There is no problem with any club going on their own if they have the numbers but they can't have it everyway. Killeshin were dead right to pull the whole thing if Crettyard initiated the latest split. Why deal with a club who will let you down when it suits them.
SPG came very close to disbanding last year over the Stradbally name in the team's name and no recognition of the other 2 clubs
That and one club poaching another's players
Really Don
When was there poaching in the past few years?
Buggie
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on February 17, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Interesting to see signs in Portlaoise town trying to recruit players to Clonad. Similar situation to Killeshin going into Graigue?
Not even remotely. Portlaoise patently can't handle the numbers in the town, this is a foolish riposte
Quote from: Don Draper on February 18, 2019, 12:13:00 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on February 17, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Interesting to see signs in Portlaoise town trying to recruit players to Clonad. Similar situation to Killeshin going into Graigue?
Not even remotely. Portlaoise patently can't handle the numbers in the town, this is a foolish riposte
As already outlined Clonad have long history of players from Portlaoise Portlaoise town can't even handle the number of kids to go to school in town. Kids from Portlaoise going to school as far as Timahoe and Emo. Gone are the days where you'd have 5-6 kids from same family on the one team.
Quote from: Helix. on February 18, 2019, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 18, 2019, 12:13:00 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on February 17, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Interesting to see signs in Portlaoise town trying to recruit players to Clonad. Similar situation to Killeshin going into Graigue?
Not even remotely. Portlaoise patently can't handle the numbers in the town, this is a foolish riposte
As already outlined Clonad have long history of players from Portlaoise Portlaoise town can't even handle the number of kids to go to school in town. Kids from Portlaoise going to school as far as Timahoe and Emo. Gone are the days where you'd have 5-6 kids from same family on the one team.
It would be a much better system if any pupil going to The Heath etc would align to that GAA club as a result.
I like that idea Don, but would the home address not cancel out the school address?
Quote from: High Fielder on February 18, 2019, 11:25:53 AM
I like that idea Don, but would the home address not cancel out the school address?
Then go to a school in town.
It could be something worth looking at. It could help to regenerate the rural school (building and capacity) and contribute to the local GAA club. It's initiatives like that that will help to balance the numbers between town and country but as long as the home address dictates your club, this won't happen.
Quote from: High Fielder on February 18, 2019, 11:49:00 AM
It could be something worth looking at. It could help to regenerate the rural school (building and capacity) and contribute to the local GAA club. It's initiatives like that that will help to balance the numbers between town and country but as long as the home address dictates your club, this won't happen.
The Heath is in Portlaoise Parish. Home address means little in that regard. You go to school in The Heath, you play for The Heath. I could make an exception for "club of the parent".
I would like to see transfers on the basis of 'club of the parent' suspended until they progress out of U-17 and are into adult football, at least in cases where the transfers are within a parish. If the parents want them to play for their home club, and that club is within the parish, then they should bring them there as a 6 year old, don't wait until they are 12 or 13, showing some promise and an integral part of their team at their age grade, and then whip them out. If the player decides themselves to move as an adult then fair enough, but the original club have put the time and effort into developing them, and they shouldn't suffer because of a lack of foresight or laziness on the part of parents.
Quote from: steven seagal on February 18, 2019, 12:05:50 PM
I would like to see transfers on the basis of 'club of the parent' suspended until they progress out of U-17 and are into adult football, at least in cases where the transfers are within a parish. If the parents want them to play for their home club, and that club is within the parish, then they should bring them there as a 6 year old, don't wait until they are 12 or 13, showing some promise and an integral part of their team at their age grade, and then whip them out. If the player decides themselves to move as an adult then fair enough, but the original club have put the time and effort into developing them, and they shouldn't suffer because of a lack of foresight or laziness on the part of parents.
That's an excellent suggestion.
Quote from: Don Draper on February 18, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Helix. on February 18, 2019, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 18, 2019, 12:13:00 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on February 17, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Interesting to see signs in Portlaoise town trying to recruit players to Clonad. Similar situation to Killeshin going into Graigue?
Not even remotely. Portlaoise patently can't handle the numbers in the town, this is a foolish riposte
As already outlined Clonad have long history of players from Portlaoise Portlaoise town can't even handle the number of kids to go to school in town. Kids from Portlaoise going to school as far as Timahoe and Emo. Gone are the days where you'd have 5-6 kids from same family on the one team.
It would be a much better system if any pupil going to The Heath etc would align to that GAA club as a result.
As you well know, Park Ratheniska have had their fingers burnt repeatedly on those grounds.
Quote from: SCFC on February 18, 2019, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 18, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Helix. on February 18, 2019, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 18, 2019, 12:13:00 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on February 17, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Interesting to see signs in Portlaoise town trying to recruit players to Clonad. Similar situation to Killeshin going into Graigue?
Not even remotely. Portlaoise patently can't handle the numbers in the town, this is a foolish riposte
As already outlined Clonad have long history of players from Portlaoise Portlaoise town can't even handle the number of kids to go to school in town. Kids from Portlaoise going to school as far as Timahoe and Emo. Gone are the days where you'd have 5-6 kids from same family on the one team.
It would be a much better system if any pupil going to The Heath etc would align to that GAA club as a result.
As you well know, Park Ratheniska have had their fingers burnt repeatedly on those grounds.
I don't as a matter of fact, but thank you for the heads up.
St. Paul's who have existed for the past 50 ??years always seem to put in two teams if they have the numbers. We've played their second teams in lower divisions. Why couldn't Killeshin crettyard do that you name 17 I think on a panel possibly 15 and anyone outside that first 15 can play on both teams gives young lads who might not be as strong as others plenty of exposure to football. Seems to work okay for Paul's anyway. With regards to school does a school rule not apply for young fellas going to play with clubs where they go to school
Because morons don't think this way. They're in an amalgamation because of numbers, then numbers rise and they split up, with no view on quality.
The problem in Laois is that we have far too many clubs for an 85k population.
If we forced our clubs to amalgamate, we would strengthen the clubs within each parish. What Laois needs now is a strong club scene. Clubs competing well in every level of the provincial competitions. I believe we'd then see an improvement at IC level.
Emo have got James Hilliard from a Dublin club. Ex Laois minor. Now at this fourth club!
Ex Mountmellick?
My understanding was that if you transferred back to your home county within 2 years of leaving you had to go back to your home club?
He is hardly gone more than 2 years?
What were his 3 previous clubs?
Quote from: Keyser Söze on April 06, 2019, 06:59:14 PM
Ex Mountmellick?
My understanding was that if you transferred back to your home county within 2 years of leaving you had to go back to your home club?
He is hardly gone more than 2 years?
What were his 3 previous clubs?
The Rock, Mountmellick and whoever he was with in Dublin. Not sure but he must be gone more than the two years.
Is it true Portlaoise have got themselves another player I heard a guy that used to kick with a team in dublin....
Thats all I heard so don't know anymore or less!
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 16, 2019, 12:09:10 PM
Is it true Portlaoise have got themselves another player I heard a guy that used to kick with a team in dublin....
Thats all I heard so don't know anymore or less!
A guy that used to kick with a team in Dublin. I know one of them, and if its the same fella, he could be class.
Quote from: Don Draper on April 16, 2019, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 16, 2019, 12:09:10 PM
Is it true Portlaoise have got themselves another player I heard a guy that used to kick with a team in dublin....
Thats all I heard so don't know anymore or less!
A guy that used to kick with a team in Dublin. I know one of them, and if its the same fella, he could be class.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I didn't hear a name but he is a Garda thats stationed here thats all.I know nothing else he might be a junior player!
Ben Conroy is transferred from Slieve Bloom to a London club. Thought he was injured anyway? Won't help Slieve Bloom's chances for the championship.
He is injured. Heard he was going travelling for a while, though thought it was further afield than London.
Heard a rumour Rob Tyrell to Courtwood something about still being able to hurl with Camross. Anyone else hear anything
Quote from: From the Terrace on November 27, 2019, 10:23:28 PM
Heard a rumour Rob Tyrell to Courtwood something about still being able to hurl with Camross. Anyone else hear anything
It would mean Camross not entering a football team?
Interesting move for him, he needs it, he has tried to get a transfer for a couple of years now so finally the CB might allow him his move.
Aside from this story its the season for transfer rumours, its getting as bad as soccer with rumours!
Quote from: portlaoisekid on November 28, 2019, 08:26:53 AM
Interesting move for him, he needs it, he has tried to get a transfer for a couple of years now so finally the CB might allow him his move.
Aside from this story its the season for transfer rumours, its getting as bad as soccer with rumours!
The CB has very little freedom in this regard. If it meets the criteria it meets the criteria.
Its not beyond Camross to pull out there football team, they dont put much effort into it up there. Like that its silly season now. Could be crap anyway.
No lover of Camross, but in fairness they put more effort into football than most hurling clubs (I think they play in the league some years and have been Junior A for quite a while?). Not to mention their footballing efforts versus the hurling efforts of many of the football clubs!
The hurling folk who preach we do more for you than you do for us would go into meltdown if this happens. It's Camross, so maybe something that pisses off the rest of the county appeals to them. It's a mad notion. Dropping a whole team to facilitate one player. Am I missing something? Is that the proposal? Seems far fetched at that rate
There's an awful lot more football played in the "hurling" clubs particularly at juvenile level than there is hurling played in the football clubs,thems the facts
There won't be any meltdown
Doesn't make much difference in the overall scheme of things. Nothing to see here
The move makes sense . He can still hurl with Camross . If he stays playing football with Camross no offence , he will be playing junior for the foreseeable future . Courtwood are a senior team and he will be exposed to senior football on a regular basis. The majority of the Courtwood lads went to school with him in mountrath so he obviously is friendly with them . He would also know them well from playing with Laois underage with them all the way up . If the chap was serious about playing football at a higher level and putting himself in the shop window he would go through with it .
The obvious thing to do would be for Tyrell to complete a full transfer from Camross to Coutwood or any other football-only club.
He could then hurl with Camross as an isolated player and Camross could still enter a football team if they'd like.
Quote from: merman on November 28, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
The obvious thing to do would be for Tyrell to complete a full transfer from Camross to Coutwood or any other football-only club.
He could then hurl with Camross as an isolated player and Camross could still enter a football team if they'd like.
You sure about that?
If he transferred to Courtwood (for example) he could seek permission to hurl with a Hurling ONLY club as far as I know?
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 29, 2019, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: merman on November 28, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
The obvious thing to do would be for Tyrell to complete a full transfer from Camross to Coutwood or any other football-only club.
He could then hurl with Camross as an isolated player and Camross could still enter a football team if they'd like.
You sure about that?
If he transferred to Courtwood (for example) he could seek permission to hurl with a Hurling ONLY club as far as I know?
Don't think that's the case Keyser.
The lads from Emo/The Rock/Kilcavan/Annanough all hurling with Mountmellick would suggest it's free game.
In the past there have been lads from Clonad kicking football with Ballyroan or Timahoe as well.
If Tyrell transferred to Courtwood, his isolated player request would come before county committee not a hope in hell of that passing. Also under what qualification would he transfer to Courtwood as I can't see one.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on November 29, 2019, 10:55:31 PM
If Tyrell transferred to Courtwood, his isolated player request would come before county committee not a hope in hell of that passing. Also under what qualification would he transfer to Courtwood as I can't see one.
I've never seen ANY isolated transfer blocked. Not one.
You may be right about the transfer to Coutwood.
Quote from: merman on November 29, 2019, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 29, 2019, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: merman on November 28, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
The obvious thing to do would be for Tyrell to complete a full transfer from Camross to Coutwood or any other football-only club.
He could then hurl with Camross as an isolated player and Camross could still enter a football team if they'd like.
You sure about that?
If he transferred to Courtwood (for example) he could seek permission to hurl with a Hurling ONLY club as far as I know?
Don't think that's the case Keyser.
The lads from Emo/The Rock/Kilcavan/Annanough all hurling with Mountmellick would suggest it's free game.
In the past there have been lads from Clonad kicking football with Ballyroan or Timahoe as well.
Don't Mountmellick operate separate hurling or football clubs?
And they are the only dual club that you mentioned. The rest are single code clubs
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on November 29, 2019, 10:55:31 PM
If Tyrell transferred to Courtwood, his isolated player request would come before county committee not a hope in hell of that passing. Also under what qualification would he transfer to Courtwood as I can't see one.
Sorry, Context should Tyrell be playing for Courtwood it would be a very dubious transfer thus this would be a very different isolated player. I think comparing to lads from their home club as opposed to this, would be two very different things.
Hard to imagine County Board or Camross playing ball with this, it's possibly the second or third club his being associated with.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 30, 2019, 01:03:55 AM
Quote from: merman on November 29, 2019, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 29, 2019, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: merman on November 28, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
The obvious thing to do would be for Tyrell to complete a full transfer from Camross to Coutwood or any other football-only club.
He could then hurl with Camross as an isolated player and Camross could still enter a football team if they'd like.
You sure about that?
If he transferred to Courtwood (for example) he could seek permission to hurl with a Hurling ONLY club as far as I know?
Don't think that's the case Keyser.
The lads from Emo/The Rock/Kilcavan/Annanough all hurling with Mountmellick would suggest it's free game.
In the past there have been lads from Clonad kicking football with Ballyroan or Timahoe as well.
Don't Mountmellick operate separate hurling or football clubs?
And they are the only dual club that you mentioned. The rest are single code clubs
Ciaran Burke with The Harps?
(I appreciate it's juvenile so could be different.)
Rumour going around that John O'Loughlin back playing club in Laois with Rosenallis.
I think it is different Merman, but I could be wrong. I'm of the opinion that the only way Tyrell could hurl with Camross & kick football with someone else would be if Camross dropped their football team.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on November 30, 2019, 07:27:45 PM
Rumour going around that John O'Loughlin back playing club in Laois with Rosenallis.
That would be surprising, considering he wouldn't play with them when he lived in Laois
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 30, 2019, 10:30:03 PM
I think it is different Merman, but I could be wrong. I'm of the opinion that the only way Tyrell could hurl with Camross & kick football with someone else would be if Camross dropped their football team.
Again, that's not my understanding of the rule but I don't really have anything to base that on.
On a separate note, I do find it peculiar this notion that Mountmellick could have 2 clubs, one football and one hurling. I have heard that suggested before but it's a strange anomaly if so; hard to understand what they gain from it and why a county board would allow it.
Will they have extra delegates at convention for example?
This is my understanding;
The reason for it was exactly what I said, to allow fellas like Ger Reddin & Matthew Whelan kick with them while still playing hurling with their home clubs. Hence the need to create Mountmellick Gaels a few years ago, once Castletown entered a football team.
Michael Bermingham got example can only hurl with a hurling only club if he wants to continue playing football for Kilcavan.
Fair enough.
I cant argue with that; all seems very plausible.
Ian Shanahan (Josephs) and Ciaran Burke (Crettyard) will be available as adult hurlers in 2020. Ballinakill would be the most-likely destinations assuming The Harps keep their football team.
There is the possibility that Laois GAA byelaws allow for a continuation of an arrangement from juvenile level.
Does anybody have a copy?
The official rule book states
6.8 Playing Restrictions (Club)
(B) A player may not play with two Clubs in the same code in a given year's Championship,
within a County, save as provided for in
Exceptions below
(C) A player may play Hurling with one Club and
Football with another Club, within a County, subject to any restrictions provided in County Bye-Laws.
I'm certain that there once was a restriction on this in order to stop the bigger clubs hoovering up good players. I don't know if it is still there. But it should be.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on December 01, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
There is the possibility that Laois GAA byelaws allow for a continuation of an arrangement from juvenile level.
Does anybody have a copy?
The official rule book states
6.8 Playing Restrictions (Club)
(B) A player may not play with two Clubs in the same code in a given year's Championship,
within a County, save as provided for in
Exceptions below
(C) A player may play Hurling with one Club and
Football with another Club, within a County, subject to any restrictions provided in County Bye-Laws.
I'm certain that there once was a restriction on this in order to stop the bigger clubs hoovering up good players. I don't know if it is still there. But it should be.
Be interesting to see the final destination of those lads seeing as Burke's mother is from Drom/Inch and Shanahans father won a Tipp senior medal with Clonoulty.
John o Laughlin to roseanalis
Quote from: clonadmad on December 01, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on December 01, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
There is the possibility that Laois GAA byelaws allow for a continuation of an arrangement from juvenile level.
Does anybody have a copy?
The official rule book states
6.8 Playing Restrictions (Club)
(B) A player may not play with two Clubs in the same code in a given year's Championship,
within a County, save as provided for in
Exceptions below
(C) A player may play Hurling with one Club and
Football with another Club, within a County, subject to any restrictions provided in County Bye-Laws.
I'm certain that there once was a restriction on this in order to stop the bigger clubs hoovering up good players. I don't know if it is still there. But it should be.
Be interesting to see the final destination of those lads seeing as Burke's mother is from Drom/Inch and Shanahans father won a Tipp senior medal with Clonoulty.
Park Ratheniska/Timahoe maybe.
Quote from: merman on December 01, 2019, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on December 01, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on December 01, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
There is the possibility that Laois GAA byelaws allow for a continuation of an arrangement from juvenile level.
Does anybody have a copy?
The official rule book states
6.8 Playing Restrictions (Club)
(B) A player may not play with two Clubs in the same code in a given year's Championship,
within a County, save as provided for in
Exceptions below
(C) A player may play Hurling with one Club and
Football with another Club, within a County, subject to any restrictions provided in County Bye-Laws.
I'm certain that there once was a restriction on this in order to stop the bigger clubs hoovering up good players. I don't know if it is still there. But it should be.
Be interesting to see the final destination of those lads seeing as Burke's mother is from Drom/Inch and Shanahans father won a Tipp senior medal with Clonoulty.
Park Ratheniska/Timahoe maybe.
No offense to them but I think the 2 lads in question would aspire to playing senior hurling
Ballinakill desperately need reinforcements,but I wouldnt be surprised if Abbeyleix were favored first.
Quote from: clonadmad on December 01, 2019, 11:02:55 PM
Quote from: merman on December 01, 2019, 10:10:57 PM
Ian Shanahan will be hurling for ballinakill and Ciarán Burke for The Harps next year.
Quote from: clonadmad on December 01, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on December 01, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
There is the possibility that Laois GAA byelaws allow for a continuation of an arrangement from juvenile level.
Does anybody have a copy?
The official rule book states
6.8 Playing Restrictions (Club)
(B) A player may not play with two Clubs in the same code in a given year's Championship,
within a County, save as provided for in
Exceptions below
(C) A player may play Hurling with one Club and
Football with another Club, within a County, subject to any restrictions provided in County Bye-Laws.
I'm certain that there once was a restriction on this in order to stop the bigger clubs hoovering up good players. I don't know if it is still there. But it should be.
Be interesting to see the final destination of those lads seeing as Burke's mother is from Drom/Inch and Shanahans father won a Tipp senior medal with Clonoulty.
Park Ratheniska/Timahoe maybe.
No offense to them but I think the 2 lads in question would aspire to playing senior hurling
Ballinakill desperately need reinforcements,but I wouldnt be surprised if Abbeyleix were favored first.
Quote from: town1980 on December 01, 2019, 10:09:34 PM
John o Laughlin to roseanalis
He's not getting much love on the comments section on Laois Today Facebook page and to make it worse they are Rosenallis people
First things first. He is from Rosenallis so he is only going back home. No question he will make a difference. However, his move is typical of the clan who move clubs when it suits them. He is not the first. When he started with Rosenallis they had a poor team and headed to Mountmellick not long after they hammered Tinnahinch in an u12 game. He left Mountmellick the year after they barely survived relegation. No surprise he is leaving St Brigids a few weeks after they flirted with relegation.
Its a feature of Laois that we have no shortage of lads willing to play club football in Dublin due to "distance" and yet there's lads from counties that dont have a motorway near them and they stay loyal to their home club,trekking back and forward from Dublin 2/3 times a week.
Maybe now that hes given his best years to Brigids,he expects a newly promoted Rosenallis to welcome him back with open arms
Quote from: clonadmad on December 03, 2019, 02:45:00 PM
Its a feature of Laois that we have no shortage of lads willing to play club football in Dublin due to "distance" and yet there's lads from counties that dont have a motorway near them and they stay loyal to their home club,trekking back and forward from Dublin 2/3 times a week.
Maybe now that hes given his best years to Brigids,he expects a newly promoted Rosenallis to welcome him back with open arms
this is a farce and just when i taught rosenallis were moving in the right direction they allow this to happen, its becoming a trend now for them as i commented on the Mark Dunne Episode that also appeared on laois today last week. im not sure where mark is originally from but as laois today states o loughlin is from rosenallis and left when the club really needed him so why should they take him back when they got to where they did without him, journey man springs to mind and if i was from rosenallis i would not want him back either. hillard chap also springs to mind with emo, mountmellick and someother club in dublin. typical gaa
Mark Dunne from Rosenallis originally. Moved to The Rock and then to Rhode and then back to Rosenallis
Quote from: Batman!!! on December 03, 2019, 03:09:34 PM
Mark Dunne from Rosenallis originally. Moved to The Rock and then to Rhode and then back to Rosenallis
Thanks for the clarification. So rosenallis has a habit of this. Letting their young players leave and bringing them back after their best years are over. No sense in that at all or very short memory out there.
Not just Mark Dunne. Paddy and Paul Dunne also left Rosenallis for The Rock.
And I'm pretty sure a guy called Brian Fitzpatrick also took the same route. And Phil Peake could also possibly be from Rosenallis.
Quote from: SCFC on December 03, 2019, 05:56:52 PM
Not just Mark Dunne. Paddy and Paul Dunne also left Rosenallis for The Rock.
And I'm pretty sure a guy called Brian Fitzpatrick also took the same route. And Phil Peake could also possibly be from Rosenallis.
Are you serious? Why would rosenallis take them back then? And is that the same paddy over them with the guy from galway. Jesus that's messy or how would they have the nerve to return after that period of time or was it just that there was no team there at that time? Committee and players must be a quiet bunch up there
Neutralobserver - in my humble opinion you're totally out of order with your derogatory remarks on John O'Loughlin's transfer back to Rosenallis. That lad has given his all to the county since he first wore the jersey. If he had stayed playing with Rosenallis when he was younger then the chances are he would never have developed into the player he was and is. The Rosenallis club has made magnificent progress in the past 10-15 years and it will be great to see JOL togging out in the colours of his home parish.
I expect Rosenallis with OLoughlin to be fairly snug at senior next year . Sure wouldn't they be every bit as good as Ballyfin who nearly got to a senior final this year .
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on December 04, 2019, 12:00:38 AM
Neutralobserver - in my humble opinion you're totally out of order with your derogatory remarks on John O'Loughlin's transfer back to Rosenallis. That lad has given his all to the county since he first wore the jersey. If he had stayed playing with Rosenallis when he was younger then the chances are he would never have developed into the player he was and is. The Rosenallis club has made magnificent progress in the past 10-15 years and it will be great to see JOL togging out in the colours of his home parish.
your telling me that every good player that does not play senior with their own club should leave their home club to further their own career. im not disputing the fact that o loughlin is a good player and that he has given everything to his county. he has been a magnificent servant but why rosenallis now when they gone to senior? he will be a serious addition to that team and there is no doubting that but it just leaves me amazed that when rosenallis needed him most he was no where to be seen along with all the other players mentioned in this thread from rosenallis.
all you have to do is look back at the brian daly saga a few years back, how did that leave barrowhouse feeling?? and thats just to mention 1.
I dont know why people on here have to find a issue with everything. Its surely a good thing for Laois football JOL is back kicking in Laois, Also for Rosenallis a great addition.
Was he not trying to get a move to Portlaoise a few years ago?
Quote from: TheGiantSquid on December 04, 2019, 06:22:43 PM
Was he not trying to get a move to Portlaoise a few years ago?
It gets better and better... so it's not for the love of rosenallis he is doing this.... why did that not go through?
Quote from: TheGiantSquid on December 04, 2019, 06:22:43 PM
Was he not trying to get a move to Portlaoise a few years ago?
No, rumour we all heard but it had no truth in reality.
Quote from: Neutralobserver on December 04, 2019, 09:06:24 PM
Quote from: TheGiantSquid on December 04, 2019, 06:22:43 PM
Was he not trying to get a move to Portlaoise a few years ago?
It gets better and better... so it's not for the love of rosenallis he is doing this.... why did that not go through?
because it never happened.
Lads are really losing the heads over nothing here, player goes back to his original club.It makes sense, if he did rock up at Portlaoise it would look bad but to go home, there is no issue.Calm down.
Agreed. Great to see him back in the Laois championships
Transfers were heard last night any of note?
Believe Murray didnt put his in for Rosenallis after, Cillian Mc from Ballypickas to Abbeyleix was heard however
Rob Tyrell gone to Courtwood for football according to Laois today. Good one for Courtwood. Obviously wanted to play football at a better level and Camross don't really take it too seriously
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/01/25/boost-for-laois-club-as-former-kildare-footballer-transfers-in/?fbclid=IwAR3FxfWrkAtiLrpB5EAnCbGAoeB332XFLxO36f4AsL7E5TgnFopfIzFKyt8
A nice coup for St Joseph's Eoghan O'Flaherty will be a welcome addition to the team. Plenty of experience with Kildare over the years.
No idea whether any internal transfers this year.
Quote from: Helix. on January 25, 2022, 03:06:00 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/01/25/boost-for-laois-club-as-former-kildare-footballer-transfers-in/?fbclid=IwAR3FxfWrkAtiLrpB5EAnCbGAoeB332XFLxO36f4AsL7E5TgnFopfIzFKyt8
A nice coup for St Joseph's Eoghan O'Flaherty will be a welcome addition to the team. Plenty of experience with Kildare over the years.
No idea whether any internal transfers this year.
About 35 now I reckon. Joe's could get a couple of good years out of him.
Graiguecullen have picked up Lee Walker from O'Hanrahans. County player with Carlow a few years ago.
Donnacha Hartnett after transferring to Rosenallis, Massive coup for them, but serious loss for Mountmellick.
Is that another returning exile? Or am I mistaken?
Quote from: Tintin84 on February 01, 2022, 10:03:59 AM
Donnacha Hartnett after transferring to Rosenallis, Massive coup for them, but serious loss for Mountmellick.
He was with them underage, and transferred to Mountmellick. Some coup if it's true. Disaster for Mountmellick obviously a standout player at intermediate grade for them.
How many transfers can one club take ??
Trumera are the Leeds United !
Poaching players from all around!
Is there a list of transfers out?
Laois Today.
You would think alot of lads will go travelling this Summer after 2 years in lockdown. Some clubs could be hit hard.
Park with 6 and one or two more ones in the pipeline if they get their way
Ballypickas with 5 and also one if not two more
Poor Portlaoise with 6 leaving
Who's leaving Portlaoise? Where are they going??
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/02/10/county-hurler-moves-to-rosenallis-as-32-transfers-approved-by-laois-gaa/?fbclid=IwAR2bLlRJflvYZNCIhoFGb3POkMYRmo0zIKlI7g5wjv8iBUY3XUJFgckOH5I
Apart from a few I didn't see alot of the names getting transferred on there clubs team sheets over the last few years🤣
Quote from: Laois man on February 10, 2022, 09:32:01 PM
Apart from a few I didn't see alot of the names getting transferred on there clubs team sheets over the last few years🤣
That's usually the case. The vast majority of transfers are uncontested and involve either lads who haven't played for years or underage players who might be moving home address.
Quote from: clonadmad on February 10, 2022, 08:29:22 PM
Park with 6 and one or two more ones in the pipeline if they get their way
Ballypickas with 5 and also one if not two more
Poor Portlaoise with 6 leaving
Are you trying to say that 6 Portlaoise players are heading out to Park ? 🤔
Quote from: The PRO on February 11, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: Laois man on February 10, 2022, 09:32:01 PM
Apart from a few I didn't see alot of the names getting transferred on there clubs team sheets over the last few years🤣
That's usually the case. The vast majority of transfers are uncontested and involve either lads who haven't played for years or underage players who might be moving home address.
Is this just the list of clear cut transfers ?
Is there not a few more contentious ones in the pipeline?
Quote from: Spiritof86 on February 11, 2022, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 10, 2022, 08:29:22 PM
Park with 6 and one or two more ones in the pipeline if they get their way
Ballypickas with 5 and also one if not two more
Poor Portlaoise with 6 leaving
Are you trying to say that 6 Portlaoise players are heading out to Park ? 🤔
If you looked at the list
You would see 6 leaving Portlaoise and 4 going to park
It looks like the rural urban by law is and has been doing its job
Any word on movers for the upcoming season, usually a few getting lined up around christmas
The full list of transfers approved is as follows:
Shane Conlon – Mountmellick to Ballyfin
Bill Troy – Ballyfin to Ballyroan-Abbey
Peter Foynes – Rosenallis to Clonaslee-St Manman's
Cian Moffitt – Ballyroan-Abbey to Colt
Mark Grennan – Kilcavan to Mountmellick
Cathal Kenny – Ballinakill to Mountmellick
James Hilliard – Emo to Mountmellick
Adam Brennan – Ballyroan-Abbey to Mountmellick
Eoin Kearns – Ballyroan-Abbey to Mountrath
Bryan Lynch – Arles-Killeen to Park-Ratheniska
Robert O'Neill – Kilcavan to Portarlington
Oisin McRedmond – The Rock to Portlaoise
Adam Broady – Ballyroan-Abbey to Spink
Colm Fitzpatrick – Annanough to Stradbally
Ivor Peake – Rosenallis to Trumera
Is there a up to date list of transfers for this year?
Noticed young Barry Fitz of Portlaoise is now plying his trade with Stradbally, rare enough for lads to move between senior clubs
Emo trying to transfer in Colm Poole from Rosenallis. Reeks of desperation.
Trumera get more transfers than Kilmacud crokes🤣
Any chance of putting up the list?
The full list of transfers approved is as follows:
Lee Maher – Abbeyleix to Ballinakill
Mitch Fitzpatrick – Portlaoise to Clonad
Kyle Handcock – Rathdowney-Errill to Clough-Ballacolla
Cian Wullich – The Heath to Colt
Cian Stanley – Portarlington to O'Dempsey's
Noah Burns Mooney – Courtwood to O'Dempsey's
Eoin Fitzpatrick – Rathdowney to O'Dempsey's
Adam O'Reilly – Emo to Portarlington
Oisin Murphy – Emo to Portarlington
Darragh Murphy – Emo to Portarlington
Jayden O'Sullivan Bowe – Stradbally to Park-Ratheniska
Seamus Tierney – Portlaoise to Park-Ratheniska
Adam Dowling – Portlaoise to Park Ratheniska
Aidan Danagher – Camross to Mountrath
Colin Bailey – O'Dempsey's to Mountrath
Cullan Kirwan – Trumer to Shanahoe
Billy Kirwan – Trumera to Shanahoe
Rogan Kirwan – Trumera to Shanahoe
Malachy Kirwan – Trumera to Shanahoe
Colin Kinsella – Ballyroan-Abbey to Spink
Oisin Ramsbottom – Timahoe to Stradbally
Sean Michael Cannon – Clough-Ballacolla to Trumera
Jack Coogan – Colt-Shanahoe to Trumera
Bobby Callaghan – Colt-Shanahoe to Trumera
Simon Callaghan – Colt-Shanahoe to Trumera
Keith Delaney – Slieve Bloom to Trumera
James Fitzpatrick – Mountrath to Trumera
Dion Cuddy – Mountrath to Trumera
Thanks.
Quote from: Laois man on February 16, 2024, 10:09:33 AMTrumera get more transfers than Kilmacud crokes🤣
A few are juveniles.
Tipperary senior footballer Emmett Maloney has transferred to portlaoise...he also played in all Ireland minor hurling final in 2015
3 good players portlaoise have got in 12 months? Is he a garda in portlaoise?
Is Moloney after moving to Portlaoise? He got a nice random bonus recently. The boom is back too.
Boom back in portlaoise 🤣🤣