Some scary vision of a large tsunami that has hit Japanese coast following massive earthquake that hit 8.4
just read that, it was an 8.9 mag, expecting 10m high waves, god help them
Some of the vision from the air of the tsunami hitting are frightening
Tsunami warning also issued out to the Philippines, Hawaii, the Pacific coast of Russia, Indonesia, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand and also Central and South America.
Hope everyone stays safe.
Some striking pictures on TV from Japan. Probably there will be adequate warning in most places to prevent large loss of life, but there will be damage.
The australian met bureau have refuted the USA's tsunami alert for Oz
Just sent a message to a mate living in Tokyo but doesn't appear to be much damage there. 8.9 is a big 'un.
As bad as things can be on this wee island, natural disasters are not one of our worries thankfully. Hopefully the loss of live can be limited.
Some boy on telly said it was the 6th biggest ever?
Id say the impact is only starting, going by the tone on the tv, warnings in place all oer the shop Hawaii etc;
Crazy in this digital age that we can watch the aftermath live on our PC's.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2011, 09:58:30 AM
Just sent a message to a mate living in Tokyo but doesn't appear to be much damage there. 8.9 is a big 'un.
Have a mate over in Tokyo as well was just onto him on facebook there.
Emergency cooling for nuclear plants not quite working as expected.
Tsunami http://bbc.in/f7p94N (http://bbc.in/f7p94N)
Reuters reporting that a ship carrying 100 people has been swept away. Nuclear power plants in a fault zone wouldn't strike me as a great idea.
Any word on this hitting California?
some of the footage of that Tsunami is bloody terrifying...
Earthquake is the largest one in Japan, 7th largest ever...
Japan has issued it's first Nuclear warning ever.... Talk of a fire at one of their plants... Cooling systems at two of other plants...
jaysus - god help everyone over there
Reports aren't saying but California's earlier "tsunami watch" has been upgraded to "tsunami warning". They'll know more when it hits Hawaii.
Fire is apparently out at nuclear power plant.
Quotesome of the footage of that Tsunami is bloody terrifying...
Some of the footage of the water tearing accross farmlands and oblittering greenhouses, sheds and houses is unreal, the speed it hit is frightening.
Terrible stuff.
We where in touch with some of Tokyo office this morn, and they where telling us of buildings they could see on fire etc. from our place.
Just hope they all get home OK - the tube network was down, one line has reopened but I cant even imagine the pain of getting that many people around tokyo with no tube these days - it is desperate at the best of times.
From the BBC:
1443: Back to Japan now: The official Kyodo news agency is reporting that about 88,000 people are missing.
Doesn't look good.
When you see the footage, it doesn't look good.
You always hope they have over-estimated the potential causalities, like on Sept 11.
You can prepare for an earthquake but there isn't much you can do but run away from a Tsunami.
The video footage of the wave moving inland heading straight for a motorway with cars using it is shocking,God help those people.
Frightening the power of nature.
You'd swear it was a Hollywood movie and the cars / vans were like small scaled models. Houses were being smashed. Lamp posts being bent like match sticks.
SCARY STUFF.
God help those people.
Quote from: gawa316 on March 11, 2011, 12:06:03 PM
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Any word on this hitting California?
3.45pm GMT.
With any force?
Expected here any minute....its low tide and they're only expecting
1-3 feet so shouldn't be too much to worry about.
Seen a few shots on CNN there in California of some of the towns that have got tsunami warnings. They said that these are towns where flooding and bad weather conditions are normal occurences, but it was still strange to see people out on deck chairs sitting and waiting for something like that, especially considering the damage it has done already.
Jaysus those videos make for shocking viewing altogether :'(
God Help them.
Did the boat caught in the whirlpool make it out?
Some crazy pictures here.
http://www.nytimes.com
This is a crazy situation, the latest from BBC updates:
1908: A magnitude 6.6 quake has now struck in central Japan, AP news agency reports, causing Tokyo buildings to sway. It is not clear if this is connected to the earlier quake and aftershocks. More on this as we get it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 11, 2011, 07:14:38 PM
This is a crazy situation, the latest from BBC updates:
1908: A magnitude 6.6 quake has now struck in central Japan, AP news agency reports, causing Tokyo buildings to sway. It is not clear if this is connected to the earlier quake and aftershocks. More on this as we get it.
Fella from BHS was saying earlier that many of the aftershocks were clustering along the southern end of that plane and could be up to mag 7.9. Sounds like it's not over for Tokyo just yet.
Anyone with any nuclear knowledge out there know how serious the statement below is? Is it something that has a real chance this thing could go up?
2009: The World Nuclear Association said pressure inside the containment of Reactor 1 at Fukushima-Daiichi had been steadily increasing over the time that its emergency core cooling systems had not been active. The Tokyo Electric Power Company reported at 0200 local time (1700 GMT) that pressure had increased beyond reference levels, but was within engineered limits, the WNA added.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 11, 2011, 09:01:20 PM
Anyone with any nuclear knowledge out there know how serious the statement below is? Is it something that has a real chance this thing could go up?
2009: The World Nuclear Association said pressure inside the containment of Reactor 1 at Fukushima-Daiichi had been steadily increasing over the time that its emergency core cooling systems had not been active. The Tokyo Electric Power Company reported at 0200 local time (1700 GMT) that pressure had increased beyond reference levels, but was within engineered limits, the WNA added.
Apparently they now have to release radioactive vapour from the reactor to relieve the pressure.
Some of the new footage coming in (on Sky News) is bloody horrendous. Aerial footage of vehicles and pedestrians attempting to outrun the tsunami.
Some truly terrifying images! did anyone see the clip of the chap trying to outrun the waves as they came in.
Yet another black day on this earth we live on, RIP to all those who lost their lives.
Quote from: ross4life on March 11, 2011, 09:14:10 PM
Some truly terrifying images! did anyone see the clip of the chap trying to outrun the waves as they came in.
Yet another black day on this earth we live on, RIP to all those who lost their lives.
Aye just saw it on the news. Wild stuff.
Omagh_Gael apparently the water used to cool the reactors has boiled generating huge pressures so they have to vent it off.
Did anyone see the footage of the tv crew recording outside the tv station when masonary started fallig off the building? About four people came running out and somehow weren't hit, amazing luck!
Some of the images actually make me feel sick knowing that you are literally watching people die beofre your eyes. Horrible horrible stuff.
The images of that whirpool are crazy!
Edit: yeah just seen on sky news that they've extended the exclusion zone from 3k to 10k. Scary stuff.
Japan's Prime Minister Naoto Kan has just announced that residents living within 10km (6.2 miles) of the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear station must evacuate their homes, according to the Kyodo news agency. Engineers are trying to fix the cooling system of one of the plant's reactors, which was damaged by the earthquake. The authorities had earlier told some 3,000 residents living within 3km (1.9 miles) to leave.
The Tokyo Electric Power Company has said radiation may already have been released at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant.
Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak"
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak"
I hope the pro-Nuclear Energy lobby here in Ireland are taking note.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak"
I hope the pro-Nuclear Energy lobby here in Ireland are taking note.
They probably are. They are probably also taking note of how likely it would be that Ireland would be hit by an earthquake or a tsunami.
The Kyodo news agency is now citing a safety panel as saying that the radiation level inside one of the reactors at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant is 1,000 times higher than normal.
Quote from: dec on March 11, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak"
I hope the pro-Nuclear Energy lobby here in Ireland are taking note.
They probably are. They are probably also taking note of how likely it would be that Ireland would be hit by an earthquake or a tsunami.
Good point :)
It looks like this reactor is heading towards a meltdown. There will be serious questions asked of nuclear power plants built in high risk areas - I'm sure there are plants in California.
Just see there that the radiation levels are actually 1000 times more than normal and not just 8 times as was reported earlier.
Scary stuff.
Yes ross that clip of the guy trying to outrun the wave is shocking
No word from my friends...tried texting and facebook. Nothing.
Quote from: Aerlik on March 11, 2011, 10:02:01 PM
No word from my friends...tried texting and facebook. Nothing.
They based up in that area, Aerlik? Heard from my mate in Tokyo via Facebook earlier. He was on the 5th floor and said it wasn't too bad. Considering he is from Castlederg he wouldn't have much experience of earthquakes!
Quote from: dec on March 11, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak"
I hope the pro-Nuclear Energy lobby here in Ireland are taking note.
They probably are. They are probably also taking note of how likely it would be that Ireland would be hit by an earthquake or a tsunami.
I'm so glad your crystal ball is so crystal clear in its certainty.
South of Tokyo but in very low-lying coastal area. When I was there we had frequent tsunami -sirens. Wait and see.
Was talking to my mate who lives there via facebook he was saying he walked home from work,took him 5 hrs.
All the transport system is stopped and cars are just at a standstill, he said the quake wasn't too bad where he was, only thing that upset him was he couldn't contact home as phone lines were not working.
The pressure inside one of the six Boiling Water Reactors (BWRs) at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant has built up because the cooling system was damaged by the earthquake. The heat produced by the nuclear reaction inside the core still needs to be dissipated even after a shutdown. If the outage in the cooling system persists, eventually radiation could leak out into the environment, and, in the worst case, could cause a reactor meltdown, experts say.
Genius.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 11, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: dec on March 11, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak"
I hope the pro-Nuclear Energy lobby here in Ireland are taking note.
They probably are. They are probably also taking note of how likely it would be that Ireland would be hit by an earthquake or a tsunami.
I'm so glad your crystal ball is so crystal clear in its certainty.
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Cloud Insurance..... classic
Classic all right, all those who have mapped the Atlantic sea-floor.
Share the secrets with us, will ya?
Quote from: dec on March 11, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak"
I hope the pro-Nuclear Energy lobby here in Ireland are taking note.
They probably are. They are probably also taking note of how likely it would be that Ireland would be hit by an earthquake or a tsunami.
:D
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 11, 2011, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: dec on March 11, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak"
I hope the pro-Nuclear Energy lobby here in Ireland are taking note.
They probably are. They are probably also taking note of how likely it would be that Ireland would be hit by an earthquake or a tsunami.
:D
Oops, I'm obviously wrong!
"Nuclear power great, what could ever happen here. Beautiful energy!"... Yoki Yashimuri, from Honshu @ Friday, March 11, 2011 at 05:46:22 UTC.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 10:47:30 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 11, 2011, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: dec on March 11, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
Radiation levels at the damaged Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant are continuing to rise. The Jiji Press news agency says the levels are eight times above normal. Its report also cites a ministry official as saying there is a "possibility of a radioactive leak"
I hope the pro-Nuclear Energy lobby here in Ireland are taking note.
They probably are. They are probably also taking note of how likely it would be that Ireland would be hit by an earthquake or a tsunami.
:D
Oops, I'm obviously wrong!
The sentiment here may well suggest that alright Fear ;)
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 11, 2011, 10:53:43 PM
The sentiment here may well suggest that alright Fear ;)
Ah jezus TO, don't tell me the irony has flown your nest yet again! ;)
Do you have a map of the Atlantic sea-floor?
That Fintona bollix seems to have, but he's not sharing it! :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 11, 2011, 10:53:43 PM
The sentiment here may well suggest that alright Fear ;)
Ah jezus TO, don't tell me the irony has flown your nest yet again! ;)
Do you have a map of the Atlantic sea-floor?
That Fintona bollix seems to have, but he's not sharing it! :D
Jaysus but you're fierce edgy tonight for some reason...
put the feet up and switch it off, it's the weekend :)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 11, 2011, 10:53:43 PM
The sentiment here may well suggest that alright Fear ;)
Ah jezus TO, don't tell me the irony has flown your nest yet again! ;)
Do you have a map of the Atlantic sea-floor?
That Fintona bollix seems to have, but he's not sharing it! :D
Are you suggesting there is a possibility of a major earthquake in or around Ireland?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
Are you suggesting there is a possibility of a major earthquake in or around Ireland?
I'm simply saying that we don't actually know: the Atlantic is a big ocean, and we're overdue a sub-Atlantic surface ruction.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 11:11:39 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
Are you suggesting there is a possibility of a major earthquake in or around Ireland?
I'm simply saying that we don't actually know: the Atlantic is a big ocean, and we're overdue a sub-Atlantic surface ruction.
The North Atlantic ridge has been extensively mapped so I would be surprised if there is anything more sinister than is already known. However point taken that it is an active area with potential to send a big wave eastwards.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 11:11:39 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
Are you suggesting there is a possibility of a major earthquake in or around Ireland?
I'm simply saying that we don't actually know: the Atlantic is a big ocean, and we're overdue a sub-Atlantic surface ruction.
That sounds like a fight that would take place out in Donegal bay!
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 11, 2011, 11:46:37 PM
That sounds like a fight that would take place out in Donegal bay!
;)
Tony B has it about right there.
We're not half as smart as we think we are sometimes (even that incontrovertible nuclear lobby!).
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 11, 2011, 11:46:37 PM
That sounds like a fight that would take place out in Donegal bay!
;)
Tony B has it about right there.
We're not half as smart as we think we are sometimes (even that incontrovertible nuclear lobby!).
The auld geology degree wasn't a total drinkathon ;)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2011, 11:53:20 PM
The auld geology degree wasn't a total drinkathon ;)
Good man! I'm glad that what I believe to be science is supported by someone who has the proof (and that would be a degree, not
degrees proof)!
;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2011, 12:13:04 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2011, 11:53:20 PM
The auld geology degree wasn't a total drinkathon ;)
Good man! I'm glad that what I believe to be science is supported by someone who has the proof (and that would be a degree, not degrees proof)!
;)
Like what you did there with the degrees thing.
Good news at least....
From RTE Live Feed
2357 Jiji news agency is reporting that a ship, thought to have been lost in the tsunami, has been found. All 81 people on board are being airlifted to safety.
UPDATE 7.39pm: FOUR people have been injured in an explosion that occurred at the No. 1 reactor of the quake-hit Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, the operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Saturday.
The explosion was heard at 3.36 pm following large tremors and white smoke was seen at the facility in Fukushima Prefecture, the company said.
The four workers were working to deal with problems caused by a powerful earthquake that hit northeastern Japan on Friday. However there is no word on injured worker's condition, Jiji news agency says.
Fukushima prefecture says TEPCO'S no.1 reactor ceiling has collapsed, Jiji reports.
Radioactivity at the plant was 20 times over the normal level, and Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission has said it may be experiencing meltdown.
Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) says explosion may have been hydrogen used to cool Fukushima plant, Kyodo reports.
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TV reports have confirmed the Tokyo fire department is sending special nuclear rescue team to Fukushima.
Pressure has reportedly been growing at the plant, with Japanese officials racing against time to cool the reactors that were disabled by yesterday's massive earthquake and tsunami or face a nuclear meltdown.
TEPCO is racing to cool down the reactor core after a highly unusual "station blackout" - the total loss of power necessary to keep water circulating through the plant to prevent overheating.
Daiichi Units 1, 2 and 3 reactors shut down automatically at 246pm local time yesterday due to the earthquake. But about an hour later, the on-site diesel back-up generators also shut, leaving the reactors without alternating current (AC) power.
That caused TEPCO to declare an emergency and the Government to evacuate thousands of people from near the plant. Such a blackout is "one of the most serious conditions that can affect a nuclear plant," according to experts at the Union of Concerned Scientists, a US based nuclear watchdog group.
"If all AC power is lost, the options to cool the core are limited," the group warned.
TEPCO also said it has lost ability to control pressure at some of the reactors at its Daini plant nearby.
The reactors at Fukushima can operate without AC power because they are steam-driven and therefore do not require electric pumps, but the reactors do require direct current (DC) power from batteries for its valves and controls to function.
If battery power is depleted before AC power is restored, the plant would stop supplying water to the core and the cooling water level in the reactor core could drop.
Radiation release
Officials are now considering releasing some radiation to relieve pressure in the containment at the Daiichi plant and are also considering releasing pressure at Daini, signs that difficulties are mounting. Such a release has only occurred once in US history, at Three Mile Island.
"(It's) a sign that the Japanese are pulling out all the stops they can to prevent this accident from developing into a core melt and also prevent it from causing a breach of the containment (system) from the pressure that is building up inside the core because of excess heat," said Mark Hibbs, a nuclear expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
While the restoration of power through additional generators should allow TEPCO to bring the situation back under control, left unchecked the coolant could boil off within hours. That would cause the core to overheat and damage the fuel, according to nuclear experts familiar with the Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania in 1979.
It could take hours more for the metal surrounding the ceramic uranium fuel pellets in the fuel rods to melt, which is what happened at Three Mile Island. That accident essentially froze the nuclear industry for three decades.
Seven years later the industry suffered another blow after the Chernobyl plant in Ukraine exploded due to an uncontrolled power surge that damaged the reactor core, releasing a radioactive cloud that blanketed Europe.
The metal on the fuel rods would not melt until temperatures far exceed 1000 degrees F. The ceramic uranium pellets would not melt until temperatures reached about 2000 degrees F, nuclear experts said.
The Government declared an atomic emergency amid growing international concern over its reactors after an 8.9 magnitude earthquake, the biggest in Japan's history, unleashed tsunamis that swept all before them.
The US Air Force, which has many bases in Japan, delivered coolant to a Japanese nuclear plant, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said yesterday, without specifying which plant.
The two nuclear plants affected are the Fukushima No.1 and No.2 plants, both located about 250km northeast of greater Tokyo, an urban area of 30 million people.
Tokyo Electric Power vented radioactive vapour at five reactors between both plants to release building pressure.
"We are not in a situation in which residents face health damage," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told reporters today, according to Jiji.
However, the evacuation area was expanded. A total of 45,000 people living within a 10km radius of the No.1 plant were told to evacuate.
Officials today ordered the evacuation of people living within a 3km-radius of the second plant, with those up to 10km away told to stay indoors.
When Friday's massive quake hit, the plants immediately shut down, along with others in quake-hit parts of Japan, as they are designed to do, but the cooling systems failed, the Government said.
The major fear is that fuel rods, which create heat through a nuclear reaction, could become exposed and release radioactivity.
When reactors shut down, cooling systems must kick in to bring down the very high temperatures. These systems are powered by either the external electricity grid, backup generators or batteries.
This is key to prevent a "nuclear meltdown" and major radioactive release.
Japan's Prime Minister Naoto Kan early today left on a helicopter to Fukushima to assess the situation at the plants operated by Tokyo Electric Power, and other areas in the disaster zone.
Military personnel have been dispatched to Fukushima, including a chemical corps and an aircraft on a "fact-finding mission".
The UN's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Japanese officials had kept it informed of their efforts to restore power to the cooling systems while monitoring a pressure build-up.
Early in the crisis Prime Minister Kan said no radiation leaks were detected among the country's reactors after the quake.
According to the industry ministry, 11 nuclear reactors automatically shut down at the Onagawa plant, the Fukushima No.1 and No.2 plants and the Tokai No.2 plant after the strongest earthquake ever to hit the country.
An explosion reported at Fukushima plant, 4 injured. Radiation levels in the vicinity have soared apparently.
Shocking event - some 'amazing' photos and video footage. The power fo such acts of nature really is frightening.
The plate boundary that caused the earthquake in Japan was a destructive plate boundary, where one plate is moving under the other. These plate boundaries cause the biggest earthquakes and do lead to the tsunami that we've seen. The Mid-Atlantic ridge is a constructive plate boundary where the plates are moving away from each other. This zone is not really associated with tsunami's.
However, with the tectonic activity underneath the Canary Islands there is a school of thought that an earthquake in this region could cause part of one of the island to collapse into the sea causing a tsunami by the landslide. The south coast of Ireland could be affected by the tsunami generated.
10000 people are missing in a single port town.
A mag 6.0 aftershock has hit Fukushima which won't help the efforts in the power plant.
Japan's quake shifts earth's axis by 25 cm
Initial results out of Italy's National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology show that the 8.9-magnitude earthquake that rattled Japan Friday shifted the earth's rotation axis by about 25 centimetres.
INGV's report, which came hours after the devastating incident, is equivalent to "very, very tiny" changes that won't be seen for centuries, though, Canadian geologists say.
Only after centuries would a second be lost as each day is shortened by a millionth of a second, according to University of Toronto geology professor Andrew Miall.
"Ten inches sounds like quite a lot when you hold a ruler in front of you. But if you think of it in terms of the earth as a whole, it's absolutely tiny; it's minute," he said.
"It's going to make minute changes to the length of a day. It could make very, very tiny changes to the tilt of the earth, which affects the seasons, but these effects are so small, it'd take very precise satellite navigation to pick it up."
The earth's rotation will now shift at a different speed because the globe's mass has been redistributed, said Michael Bostock, a University of B.C. earthquake seismology professor.
He used an analogy of a figure skater pulling in his or her arms to spin faster because weight has been reorganized.
"Ultimately, if you change the length of day, you can change the length of time a given point on earth receives sunlight and doesn't receive sunlight," he said. "But will this affect us in our lifetimes? Absolutely not."
The researchers said that while the minuscule change may be completely undetectable, it still illustrates the punch behind the Japan's massive earthquake.
Tsunami is a bummer of a word to pronounce.
NHK tv channel is available as free app if you have an iPhone.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 12, 2011, 04:00:20 PM
Tsunami is a bummer of a word to pronounce.
Eh? You just leave out the T.
su - nah - me ...whats the problem? Have you a stutter?
Striking pic of a van sitting on the top of a house roof on the RTE news there.
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this is a photo of Minamisanriku, well whats left of it, up to 10000 people missing from it, from the Mail on line "Force of quake shifts Japan 8ft to the East" :o :o how the feck is that possible?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2011, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2011, 11:11:39 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
Are you suggesting there is a possibility of a major earthquake in or around Ireland?
I'm simply saying that we don't actually know: the Atlantic is a big ocean, and we're overdue a sub-Atlantic surface ruction.
The North Atlantic ridge has been extensively mapped so I would be surprised if there is anything more sinister than is already known. However point taken that it is an active area with potential to send a big wave eastwards.
Gorringe Bank is a ridge off the coast of Portugal uplifted by the northward movement of the African Plate against the Eurasian Plate (there is convergence between the plates going on, but the closest true subduction occurs far to the east, beneath Italy). On 1 November 1755 (All Saints' Day!) a magnitude 8.6 earthquake at Gorringe Bank destroyed much of Lisbon. Minutes after the earthquake, the tsunami arrived. At least three great waves about ten meters high entered the city. The waves also raked the nearby coasts of Spain and North Africa, and did extensive damage in the Azores, Madiera, and Canary Islands. Minor damage occurred as far north as Ireland and as far west as the West Indies. Gorringe Bank remains a severe tsunami threat for Portugal, and the Portuguese are now installing seafloor pressure gauges there to get advance warning.
Have heard from one family. All ok, thank God, but still nothing from the other.
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this is a photo of Minamisanriku, well whats left of it, up to 10000 people missing from it, from the Mail on line "Force of quake shifts Japan 8ft to the East" :o :o how the feck is that possible?
Plate distortion from the earthquake that generated the Boxing Day tsunami shifted the coast of Sumatra by 120 feet! It was a 9.1.
Extra side to the story:
The Japanese urban search and rescue teams which had been helping in the search for Christchurch earthquake victims for two weeks, is heading back to Japan to help with the earthquake and tsunami crisis there.
Japan sent 70 search and rescue members to Christchurch following February 22nd's 6.3-magnitude quake, as well as counsellors, fingerprint experts, an interpreter, coastguard, police & fire fighters, as well as three sniffer dogs.
Quote from: Square Ball on March 12, 2011, 09:41:56 PM
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this is a photo of Minamisanriku, well whats left of it, up to 10000 people missing from it, from the Mail on line "Force of quake shifts Japan 8ft to the East" :o :o how the feck is that possible?
Countries and continents are moving every year. Australia is moving 3 inches a year. Ireland is moving too but no one has bothered to measure it.
pity Paddy Wallace hadn't of moved that ball out wide this evening in Cardiff at about 6.25PM
PS - Dont want to take away the seriousness of this thread by this comment
Imagine what it would be be like to be in the house and hear that thing coming?
so another reactor in trouble, one problem to another. Olly, i am aware that land masses move, and have done so from the time of pangea, but 8 foot in one go is massive in comparison, and 120 foot is well hard to fathom, for me anyway
I suppose it is no real surprise but this has to be the best quality filmed and photographed natural disaster.
Is it true to say that recent natural disasters appear worse to us in comparison in centuries ago simply because there is actually more to destroy now in terms of housing, transport, nuclear stations, people, as well as the extensive coverage?
How far inland did the Tsunami actually go
Quote from: ONeill on March 13, 2011, 10:57:17 PM
Is it true to say that recent natural disasters appear worse to us in comparison in centuries ago simply because there is actually more to destroy now in terms of housing, transport, nuclear stations, people, as well as the extensive coverage?
More people used to die in the past, think it may be the modern media that we can almost see the disaster as it happens. In the past it was a caste of a load of people we will never meet, in a place half of us never heard of, visit, see on t.v./film etc. as opposed to being able to see with our own eyes that these people are as real as us. When things are out of sight they are often out of mind and people are just stats.
As harrowing as it is for us to watch, the media love this type of event. They know they can get a weeks worth of it and that the public can't help watching it.
Especially any kind of war they just go to town on it. How many of them would have been embedded with the troops at the Somme?
BBC reporting another 3m tsunami seen off the coast and on its way to Japan. Could be from the aftershocks.
Quote from: Main Street on March 13, 2011, 08:43:37 PM
I suppose it is no real surprise but this has to be the best quality filmed and photographed natural disaster.
Definitely, with the technology available in Japan you expect to see more footage from when the Tsunami actually hit. The like of Friday morning says it all, I woke up and you have helicopters filming the waves progress across the Japanese ground, crazy. All you really rely on from the 2004 Tsunami is tourist footage.
I take it there is no footage or pictures of the reported 1720 foot tall Tsunami from Alaska in 1958?
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 14, 2011, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 13, 2011, 08:43:37 PM
I suppose it is no real surprise but this has to be the best quality filmed and photographed natural disaster.
Definitely, with the technology available in Japan you expect to see more footage from when the Tsunami actually hit. The like of Friday morning says it all, I woke up and you have helicopters filming the waves progress across the Japanese ground, crazy. All you really rely on from the 2004 Tsunami is tourist footage.
I take it there is no footage or pictures of the reported 1720 foot tall Tsunami from Alaska in 1958?
I don't think there would be photos of the wave but there are of the aftermath. The most striking showing trees etc. washed away at a level that appears to be halfway up a mountainside.
Here... http://geology.com/records/biggest-tsunami.shtml
2nd Explosion this morning at Reactor 3 at the site of the first Explosion and the cooling of Reactor 2 has just packed in. Hugh worry now about the safety of this nuclear plant, hopefully they can control it.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on March 14, 2011, 11:12:59 AM
2nd Explosion this morning at Reactor 3 at the site of the first Explosion and the cooling of Reactor 2 has just packed in. Hugh worry now about the safety of this nuclear plant, hopefully they can control it.
Squeaky bums time alright.
I have to say the Japanese come across as a very stoical nation, there was a woman interviewed that was holding onto her daughter but she was unable to hold on and the daughter got washed away, there was just a hint of a tear towards the end of the interview. I read another story about a 70 year old woman that was getting rescued after two days and the first thing she did was apologise to her rescuers for putting them to any bother.
If it was here the oul doll would have been filling the insurance forms on while she was waiting for the rescuers, "and that freezer that got washed away was filled with sirloin steaks mister".
http://www.cringely.com/2011/03/flea-powder-may-be-saving-lives-in-japan/ (http://www.cringely.com/2011/03/flea-powder-may-be-saving-lives-in-japan/)
We have an office in Tokyo and are actively trying to get people out. Two of them have gone to Osaka and others are looking at trying to get out of the country for a while
Quote from: Kerry Mike on March 14, 2011, 11:12:59 AM
2nd Explosion this morning at Reactor 3 at the site of the first Explosion and the cooling of Reactor 2 has just packed in. Hugh worry now about the safety of this nuclear plant, hopefully they can control it.
just announced at a press conference that they cannot rule out a meltdown, next few hours are very critical indeed with this
From bbc news :
Technicians are battling to stabilise a third reactor at a quake-stricken Japanese nuclear plant, after the latest explosion rocked the facility.
Fukushima Daiichi plant's operators said they could not rule out a fuel rod meltdown, after a cooling system broke.
They are frantically injecting more water into reactor 2 after its fuel rods became almost fully exposed.
From the BBC website
1055: Chris Hutchinson in Ogikubo, Tokyo, writes: "Hopefully things will get back to normal soon, but the power outages are going to be a problem. My feeling is that TEPCO have really screwed it up - my area is in 'Group 1' which will have outages twice a day and we have both of the most inconvenient times (6am-10am and 5pm-8.30pm) which is when I would be taking showers, cooking or trying to relax. Other areas have it much easier - especially those in group 4 (which, perhaps no surprise, contains many very wealthy areas!) who only have a 2.5hr window during office hours in the early afternoon. The British Embassy has been great so far and provided a lot of information when requested, I would definitely advise any British people to register at https://www.locate.fco.gov.uk/LocatePortal if they haven't already done so. The Japanese authorities have been pretty much useless and unwilling (or unable?) to provide any details regarding specific questions about the earthquake and nuclear situations. I am not planning to leave Japan, but I am ready to do so if instructed to - I have essential things packed and ready to go in the event of the situation deteriorating."
What a f**king idiot !!! I'm sure the Japanese have a few more serious issues to contend with than whether Mr Hutchinson can take a shower or relax !!!
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html)
Satelite pics of before and after tsunami, drag the blue cursor left and right on each pic, total devastation in these towns.
The filmed coverage of the sea coming over the wall at Miyako was vivid.
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/03/14/1226021/341744-miyako.jpg)
I just the film on CNN of what happened at Minami, where the whole town was washed out to sea.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366031/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-survivors-pictures-country-laid-waste.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366031/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-survivors-pictures-country-laid-waste.html)
Frightening images
Quote from: Kerry Mike on March 14, 2011, 01:49:26 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html)
Satelite pics of before and after tsunami, drag the blue cursor left and right on each pic, total devastation in these towns.
Incredible pictures.
Quote from: Declan on March 14, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366031/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-survivors-pictures-country-laid-waste.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366031/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-survivors-pictures-country-laid-waste.html)
Frightening images
The cockpit of that fighter jet looks like the best place to have been, they look very fragile machines but are probably tough buggers. Bit strange thinking a plane would have been safer in the floods than a boat.
Here's a video posted online March 9th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7QAZPb-IEQ
seems we could have been warned much earlier
edit: OK the second half of that video is a bit mental.
BREAKING NEWS
A quake-stricken nuclear plant in Japan has been hit by a third explosion in four days, amid fears of a meltdown.
The blast occurred at reactor 2 at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, which engineers had been trying to stabilise after two other reactors exploded.
One minister has said it is "highly likely" that the rods might melt. Radiation levels near the plant have risen.
The crisis was sparked by a 9.0-magnitude quake and tsunami on Friday.
Thousands of people are believed to have died, and millions are spending a fourth night without water, food, electricity or gas. More than 500,000 people have been left homeless.
3rd explosion now, that plant in Fukushima is on the brink of a catastrophe
Quote from: Kerry Mike on March 14, 2011, 11:48:03 PM
3rd explosion now, that plant in Fukushima is on the brink of a catastrophe
What is the worst case scenario here Mike ?
Hard to credit that armageddon could come about because a guy forgot to put fuel into the water pump
An exposed core combined with fire or explosion is not a good scenario. A China Syndrome type meltdown would f**k that area up forever.
I've been reading this in a bit more depth and it sounds like the media is playing up the risk for dramatic effect. Any headline with the word "nuclear" in it is probably going to sound worse than it actually is.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 15, 2011, 12:52:59 AM
I've been reading this in a bit more depth and it sounds like the media is playing up the risk for dramatic effect. Any headline with the word "nuclear" in it is probably going to sound worse than it actually is.
Have you got some links? Most reports I've read are pointing to the possible exposure of the rods and I'm not sure it gets much more dramatic than that
Scary stuff... heading to bed now - half expecting to wake up to a nuclear meltdown... poor fookers
Quote from: stephenite on March 15, 2011, 01:13:54 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 15, 2011, 12:52:59 AM
I've been reading this in a bit more depth and it sounds like the media is playing up the risk for dramatic effect. Any headline with the word "nuclear" in it is probably going to sound worse than it actually is.
Have you got some links? Most reports I've read are pointing to the possible exposure of the rods and I'm not sure it gets much more dramatic than that
I'm not hearing anything about the core being exposed. Those explosions only affected outer containment walls, the inner containment walls are still intact and if they keep venting steam to relieve the pressure then there won't be a Chernobyl style accident. A meltdown would be a bad job but still not on the same scale as Chernobyl, that was an inner containment wall blowing off and the core was actually exposed.
I said that I've read about the rods being exposed
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/nuclear-reactor-rods-exposed-2578838.html (http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/nuclear-reactor-rods-exposed-2578838.html)
Kind of hard to play this sort of stuff for dramatic effect, don't you think?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 15, 2011, 12:52:59 AM
I've been reading this in a bit more depth and it sounds like the media is playing up the risk for dramatic effect. Any headline with the word "nuclear" in it is probably going to sound worse than it actually is.
TEPCO have released data stating that 8 times the
annual radiation limit was released in an hour.
BREAKING NEWS
There has been a fresh fire at the quake-stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in northern Japan.
The new blaze began at reactor four. The plant has already been hit by four explosions in as many days, which have triggered radiation leaks.
Radiation levels at the plant rose sharply on Tuesday, but later fell.
Friday's 9.0-magnitude quake and tsunami devastated Japan's north-east coast, with more than 3,000 confirmed dead and thousands missing.
Quote from: stephenite on March 15, 2011, 06:22:07 AM
I said that I've read about the rods being exposed
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/nuclear-reactor-rods-exposed-2578838.html (http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/nuclear-reactor-rods-exposed-2578838.html)
Now I understand, we're talking at cross purposes. That's exposed from the coolant (and I can see how that could lead to a meltdown) but it was only briefly before they had to start pouring sea water in. But they're not exposed to the outside world as happened at Chernobyl.
BREAKING:
From AP on Twitter: Another 6.5 magnitude Earthquake off Japanese coast. Tsunami warning has been issued.
Having a laugh at the doommongers who were predicting armageddon on this thread a couple of weeks ago. It's appears to be ok lads. Yous can come out from under the bed now. :D
Quote from: Keyser soze on March 28, 2011, 11:05:30 AM
Having a laugh at the doommongers who were predicting armageddon on this thread a couple of weeks ago. It's appears to be ok lads. Yous can come out from under the bed now. :D
Try telling that to the Japanese.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 28, 2011, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on March 28, 2011, 11:05:30 AM
Having a laugh at the doommongers who were predicting armageddon on this thread a couple of weeks ago. It's appears to be ok lads. Yous can come out from under the bed now. :D
Try telling that to the Japanese.
Don't think i'll bother my hole telling the Japanese. I'll just stick to telling the people who read and post on this board if you don't mind.
Quote from: mc_grens on March 28, 2011, 12:12:38 AM
BREAKING:
From AP on Twitter: Another 6.5 magnitude Earthquake off Japanese coast. Tsunami warning has been issued.
And another one:
Japan struck by 7.4 magnitude quake
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0407/japan.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0407/japan.html)
Downgraded to a 7.1, but if such quake occurred anywhere else this would be regarded as a major disaster in its own right.
Just reading about another earthquake and bad tsunami expected to follow!
Shallow-focus quake of 7.3 so could be serious tsunami.
Ten years ago.
Where does time go!
Wonder how things are now in that area?
Some of it is like Chernobyl. Abandoned and being reclaimed by nature.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/asia/fukushima-japan-nuclear-anniversary.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/asia/fukushima-japan-nuclear-anniversary.html)
Quote from: J70 on March 11, 2021, 02:56:49 PM
Some of it is like Chernobyl. Abandoned and being reclaimed by nature.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/asia/fukushima-japan-nuclear-anniversary.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/asia/fukushima-japan-nuclear-anniversary.html)
Show on C4 last night (Repeat) showing reels of video footage captured by residents of the tsnumai, Mind blowing.
Quote from: J70 on March 11, 2021, 02:56:49 PM
Some of it is like Chernobyl. Abandoned and being reclaimed by nature.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/asia/fukushima-japan-nuclear-anniversary.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/asia/fukushima-japan-nuclear-anniversary.html)
The storm defence barriers in this seem a bit flimsy considering Japan is prone to these type of events.
https://vp.nyt.com/video/2021/03/09/92354_1_11fukushima-video_wg_720p.mp4 (https://vp.nyt.com/video/2021/03/09/92354_1_11fukushima-video_wg_720p.mp4)
Hard to know. It looks pretty big compared to the road running alongside it.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 11, 2021, 03:00:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 11, 2021, 02:56:49 PM
Some of it is like Chernobyl. Abandoned and being reclaimed by nature.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/asia/fukushima-japan-nuclear-anniversary.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/asia/fukushima-japan-nuclear-anniversary.html)
The storm defence barriers in this seem a bit flimsy considering Japan is prone to these type of events.
I think the majority of tsunami defences in Japan were based on the 1960 Chile Earthquake.