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gallsman

Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 18, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
I thought the footage used by the VAR screen for Llorentes 'handball' at pitch side was far from the best angle that BT sports were showing.

There was an angle during the match itself that clearly shows the ball striking his elbow, changing direction and striking his hip and changing direction into the goal. They just flat out didn't look at it in the "analysis" afterwards. There's no question of it not hitting his arm to anyone who's not a spanner.

Not a handball though.

Over the Bar

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Quote from: seafoid on April 18, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
Guardiola took on a huge job with Man City

Not really. Taking over a club that has failed to make any headway in Europe with an unlimited budget to recruit whoever he likes,  while naming his own salary to do so seems like a nice enough number for someone of Guardiola's standing.   It's not like they're gonna sack him anytime soon.  Much less stressful than the Barca or Real jobs since at City he is considered bigger than the club.

brokencrossbar1

In respect of the 'handball' the question that should be asked is would a penalty have been awarded if it was on a defender?  I think the answer is categorically no. The elbow was in a natural position and the ball was to his arm not the other way around. It was completely incidental and there was absolutely no way it was a handball under the current rules.

Still trying to fathom if it's a good result for us or a bad one?  Will the emotional rollercoaster of up and down at the end destroy City? Will they react positively and push on and go unbeaten? The big game may not be Spurs as there's a real revenge element to that game. Big game could be United and if they can keep themselves up mentally. Next week will decide the PL.

seafoid

Quote from: Over the Bar on April 18, 2019, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 18, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
Guardiola took on a huge job with Man City

Not really. Taking over a club that has failed to make any headway in Europe with an unlimited budget to recruit whoever he likes,  while naming his own salary to do so seems like a nice enough number for someone of Guardiola's standing.   It's not like they're gonna sack him anytime soon.  Much less stressful than the Barca or Real jobs since at City he is considered bigger than the club.
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David McKeown

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 18, 2019, 01:13:21 PM
In respect of the 'handball' the question that should be asked is would a penalty have been awarded if it was on a defender?  I think the answer is categorically no. The elbow was in a natural position and the ball was to his arm not the other way around. It was completely incidental and there was absolutely no way it was a handball under the current rules.

Still trying to fathom if it's a good result for us or a bad one?  Will the emotional rollercoaster of up and down at the end destroy City? Will they react positively and push on and go unbeaten? The big game may not be Spurs as there's a real revenge element to that game. Big game could be United and if they can keep themselves up mentally. Next week will decide the PL.

Ill start by agreeing that I don't think it's a handball but I don't think that's the question either particularly when trying to conclude intent. If it doesn't hit his arm it's likely to hit him further up than his hip. A softer part of his body. The attacker in that situation likely doesn't car what part of his body it hits provided it deflects and goes in coming off a hard part of the like an elbow makes that more likely so at the point he throws himself towards the ball his intent is merely to deflect that ball with any part of his body with a preference for the harder parts that give him the best chance of scoring. A defensive player wouldn't want it to hit any part of their body and merely deflect. They'd be trying to impart more control on the ball in order to ultimately clear it. So they would be more likely to be intending to hit the ball with specific parts of their body.

Similarly the penalty between handballs is so vastly different. The attacker can be indifferent to it in so far as if he intentionally handles the ball the worst that will happen is a free out for the defender the equivalent penalty is far more severe.

All that said the fact the handball is being debated just shows how poor an idea VAR is. VAR has added nothing in this instance but factual decisions it could be used for have been ignored by it.
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gallsman

Nonsense.

If it wasn't for VAR, Sterling's last minute effort would have stood.

Boycey

Quote from: gallsman on April 18, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
Nonsense.

If it wasn't for VAR, Sterling's last minute effort would have stood.

Maybe it should have stood?

TabClear

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Quote from: Boycey on April 18, 2019, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 18, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
Nonsense.

If it wasn't for VAR, Sterling's last minute effort would have stood.

Maybe it should have stood?

Why Boycey as Aguero was offside with no subjectivity involved? Offside is a matter of fact generally bar the interfering with play assessment which was not in dispute last night?

gallsman

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Quote from: Boycey on April 18, 2019, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 18, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
Nonsense.

If it wasn't for VAR, Sterling's last minute effort would have stood.

Maybe it should have stood?

Why? He was offside.

Whether by a few inches or ten yards, he was, according to the laws of the game, offside.

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The standard co commentator measurement of a marginal decision "he was half a yard offside"


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David McKeown

Quote from: gallsman on April 18, 2019, 04:42:33 PM
Quote from: Boycey on April 18, 2019, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 18, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
Nonsense.

If it wasn't for VAR, Sterling's last minute effort would have stood.

Maybe it should have stood?

Why? He was offside.

Whether by a few inches or ten yards, he was, according to the laws of the game, offside.

Was he though?  The footage BT sport showed made him look offside but also ignored the line they used wasn't correct clearly ignoring the defenders elbow. In addittion they didn't seem to have any correction for the fact their cameras weren't in line like have been seen in some games the last two seasons. I'm not suggesting he was onside and perhaps the VAR officials had better coverage and lines but on the basis of what I've seen I'm not convinced one way or other.
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