Senior Football
Feb 11: Corofin (Galway) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Limerick; St. Vincents (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Newry
March 17 Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Football
Jan 29: Westport (Mayo) v Kenmare (Kerry) in Ennis; St. Colmcilles (Meath) v Pomeroy (Tyrone) in Armagh
Feb 19: Final in Croke Park
Junior Football:
Jan 29: Louisburgh (Mayo) v Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) in Limerick; Dunedin Connolly's (Edinburgh) v Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) in Armagh
Feb 19: Final in Croke Park
Senior Hurling
Feb 4: St. Thomas (Galway) v Ballyea (Clare) in Thurles
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Armagh
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Hurling
Jan 14 Quarter Final: Robert Emmetts (London) v St. Brigids (Antrim) in London
Jan 29 Semi Finals: Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (near Ballinasloe in Galway) v Lismore (Waterford) in Tullamore; Carrickshock (Kilkenny) v QF Winner, venue to be confirmed
Junior Hurling
Jan 29: Calry/St. Josephs (Sligo) v Mayfield (Cork) in Tullamore; Mooncoin (Kilkenny) v Lamh Dearg (Antrim) in Trim
Feb 18: Final in Croke Park
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 03, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Senior Hurling
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Armagh
Would have gone for a wet day in Newry.
Mount Leinster Rangers made the most of that.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 03, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Senior Football
Feb 11: Corofin (Galway) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Limerick;
Kerry teams club or county are great for getting theses All Ireland series games fixed in Munster.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 03, 2017, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 03, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Senior Football
Feb 11: Corofin (Galway) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Limerick;
Kerry teams club or county are great for getting theses All Ireland series games fixed in Munster.
Let's get actual distances of travel, per google maps:
2 games in Limerick...Glenbeigh 134km v Louisburgh 186km and Corofin 108km v Killarney 116km
1 game in Ennis...Westport 136km v Kenmare 192km
So the Connacht clubs are closer to home in two of the three games.
But the venues are best described as neutral for all teams, or are you arguing differently?
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 03, 2017, 10:12:03 PM
But the venues are best described as neutral for all teams, or are you arguing differently?
A Munster team v A Connacht team i would describe a Leinster venue as neutral.
A Munster team v A Connacht team i would describe a Leinster venue as neutral.
Teams involved are all more than 100km from home.
The teams are identified by their village/town and then by county...once outside both counties the venue is neutral.
You might have a point for inter-county games though.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 03, 2017, 10:29:29 PM
A Munster team v A Connacht team i would describe a Leinster venue as neutral.
Agreed. Tullamore or Portlaoise would be a much fairer choice of venue. A Kerry player is much more likely to have played a game before in another Munster county, than he would a ground in a Leinster county. He is more likely to be more familiar with the quirks of the ground, than a lad who is playing there for the first time.
The journey from Kilarney (where the team bus would depart from) is also nearly an hour shorter, than the journey from Castlebar, where the Mayo bus would depart from. So there is less chance of stiff legs and muscles getting off the bus.
I'm looking at this from the point of view of what is best and fairest for the players, not the spectators. That is the most important thing imo.
There was a time when one of the clubs would have had home advantage, or the closest possible alternative. I remember Skibbereen playing Lavey in the All-Ireland Club semi final at Ballinascreen. Playing it at a half way point somewhere equidistant for the participants, regardless of province is certainly an improvement.
I (Sadly ) expect both Mayo club teams to get beat by the higher graded Kerry teams.
Ah please, Mayo lads and moaning..we've had enough of it.
You've had the respective distances of travel laid out for you which show the venues to be totally logical and fair. Crokes have played 1 game in Gaelic Grounds before (and were almost beaten by Cratloe), Glenbeigh have never played there before of course. They have also never won the Kerry Junior championship before last year and yet, according to some clowns, they have some magical advantage over other clubs at the same grade?
Enough of this nonsense please.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 04, 2017, 01:52:51 AM
Ah please, Mayo lads and moaning..we've had enough of it.
You've had the respective distances of travel laid out for you which show the venues to be totally logical and fair. Crokes have played 1 game in Gaelic Grounds before (and were almost beaten by Cratloe), Glenbeigh have never played there before of course. They have also never won the Kerry Junior championship before last year and yet, according to some clowns, they have some magical advantage over other clubs at the same grade?
Enough of this nonsense please.
What division in league football did Glenbeigh-Glencar play in this year?
That Westport team is not the only club in Westport I presume?
There is only 1 Gaa team in Westport although it would be quite closely bordered by quite a few other teams like Kilmeena, Islandeady, Louisburgh (Conn Jnr champs) and to a lesser extent Tourmakeady.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 04, 2017, 01:52:51 AM
Ah please, Mayo lads and moaning..we've had enough of it.
You've had the respective distances of travel laid out for you which show the venues to be totally logical and fair. Crokes have played 1 game in Gaelic Grounds before (and were almost beaten by Cratloe), Glenbeigh have never played there before of course. They have also never won the Kerry Junior championship before last year and yet, according to some clowns, they have some magical advantage over other clubs at the same grade?
Enough of this nonsense please.
No problem with venues! Only a few of the Kerry players will have played in them before.
On the grading system. Well you can only laugh at anyone who thinks that Kerry intermediate and Junior clubs are not graded higher than other counties! Once again (in theory) Mayo's 17th best team will get to play Kerry's 9th best. Kerry have a stronger intermediate and Junior championship because they have a very small Senior Championship. It stands to reason.
How did your Intermediate Champions of 2015 get on in the Senior championship of 2016?
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2017, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 04, 2017, 01:52:51 AM
Ah please, Mayo lads and moaning..we've had enough of it.
You've had the respective distances of travel laid out for you which show the venues to be totally logical and fair. Crokes have played 1 game in Gaelic Grounds before (and were almost beaten by Cratloe), Glenbeigh have never played there before of course. They have also never won the Kerry Junior championship before last year and yet, according to some clowns, they have some magical advantage over other clubs at the same grade?
Enough of this nonsense please.
No problem with venues! Only a few of the Kerry players will have played in them before.
On the grading system. Well you can only laugh at anyone who thinks that Kerry intermediate and Junior clubs are not graded higher than other counties! Once again (in theory) Mayo's 17th best team will get to play Kerry's 9th best. Kerry have a stronger intermediate and Junior championship because they have a very small Senior Championship. It stands to reason.
How did your Intermediate Champions of 2015 get on in the Senior championship of 2016?
I've had numerous arguments on here in the past with Kerry posters. They chose their system and it works for them. Nothing to stop other counties doing the same.
Their system is completely unbalanced and unfair in regard to how most other counties operate. The likes of their JFC winners playing division one football is a joke. As is their 8 team SFC.
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Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 04, 2017, 01:52:51 AM
Ah please, Mayo lads and moaning..we've had enough of it.
You've had the respective distances of travel laid out for you which show the venues to be totally logical and fair. Crokes have played 1 game in Gaelic Grounds before (and were almost beaten by Cratloe), Glenbeigh have never played there before of course. They have also never won the Kerry Junior championship before last year and yet, according to some clowns, they have some magical advantage over other clubs at the same grade?
Enough of this nonsense please.
No problem with venues! Only a few of the Kerry players will have played in them before.
On the grading system. Well you can only laugh at anyone who thinks that Kerry intermediate and Junior clubs are not graded higher than other counties! Once again (in theory) Mayo's 17th best team will get to play Kerry's 9th best. Kerry have a stronger intermediate and Junior championship because they have a very small Senior Championship. It stands to reason.
How did your Intermediate Champions of 2015 get on in the Senior championship of 2016?
I've had numerous arguments on here in the past with Kerry posters. They chose their system and it works for them. Nothing to stop other counties doing the same.
Their system is completely unbalanced and unfair in regard to how most other counties operate. The likes of their JFC winners playing division one football is a joke. As is their 8 team SFC.
For sure. The same reason why you hardly ever see the Dublin intermediate or junior champions make any impression in Leinster (Castleknock were an exception). Fingallians were, in theory, the 33rd best team in Dublin this year and got knocked out by Rosemount, Westmeath's 13th best.
Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in?
Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships. Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year). Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games.
So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 04, 2017, 03:05:07 PM
Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in?
Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships. Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year). Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games.
So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?
Not possible for other counties to adopt as especially in Munster and a lot top counties they have dual player issues. Hurling is only a hobby in Kerry and their hurlers have brought in a lot of outsiders. When you see 8 senior teams in Kerry and likes of Clare have 16 senior clubs. Its damaged limitation for other munster counties bar maybe Cork clubs in intermediate/junior football championships.
But Kerry have one of the best systems which provides plenty of competitive games for all their teams. I'm not sure if Clare have 16 senior club football teams but any county the size of Kerry with 16 senior club teams would just mean about half of them play in a competition they'll rarely win or rarely get relegated from. Kerry's senior championship, by virtue of having no deadwood, means it's ultra competitive as are the competitions below. Rather than complain about it, perhaps others should adopt a similar system?
Quote from: Zulu on January 04, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
But Kerry have one of the best systems which provides plenty of competitive games for all their teams. I'm not sure if Clare have 16 senior club football teams but any county the size of Kerry with 16 senior club teams would just mean about half of them play in a competition they'll rarely win or rarely get relegated from. Kerry's senior championship, by virtue of having no deadwood, means it's ultra competitive as are the competitions below. Rather than complain about it, perhaps others should adopt a similar system?
There are a few reasons. But the most obvious one is that there are not enough weekends in the year. If so player from an intermediate club can also play senior championship with his 'division/amalgamation', then a county board can not fix senior and intermediate championships on the same weekend. Club fixtures are already a joke without adding another layer of complexity.
It suits Kerry, they obviously make it work somehow. I couldn't ever speak for other counties, but I know that it would be completely unworkable in my own, where football and hurling get an equal billing.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 04, 2017, 03:05:07 PM
Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in?
Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships. Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year). Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games.
So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?
Not only is it not a requirement, it's illegal under GAA rules. Some counties used to, until quite recently, determine championship promotion/relegation through league positions. I know Galway was one. They were forced to change.
Ultra competitive? Dr Crokes have won five of the last seven senior county titles and they streamrolled their way through the majority of those titles. The one noticeable feature of this Kerry club system is it was increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands while a senior All Ireland hasn't been won by a Kerry club since Laune Rangers in 1996.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
Ultra competitive? Dr Crokes have won five of the last seven senior county titles and they streamrolled their way through the majority of those titles. The one noticeable feature of this Kerry club system is it was increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands while a senior All Ireland hasn't been won by a Kerry club since Laune Rangers in 1996.
That's irrelevant. If you've the top 8 teams competing and one of them proves to be far stronger than the rest then you still have as competitive a competition as you can have. Adding 4 teams or more from below will hardly change the eventual winner if they are steamrolling the top 7 teams already. The point is, by limiting the number of senior clubs they are keeping that as competitive as possible while also making the divisions below it more competitive too.
The fact Kerry are dominating at intermediate and junior but not at senior just goes to prove that they have the right system.
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 04, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
But Kerry have one of the best systems which provides plenty of competitive games for all their teams. I'm not sure if Clare have 16 senior club football teams but any county the size of Kerry with 16 senior club teams would just mean about half of them play in a competition they'll rarely win or rarely get relegated from. Kerry's senior championship, by virtue of having no deadwood, means it's ultra competitive as are the competitions below. Rather than complain about it, perhaps others should adopt a similar system?
There are a few reasons. But the most obvious one is that there are not enough weekends in the year. If so player from an intermediate club can also play senior championship with his 'division/amalgamation', then a county board can not fix senior and intermediate championships on the same weekend. Club fixtures are already a joke without adding another layer of complexity.
It suits Kerry, they obviously make it work somehow. I couldn't ever speak for other counties, but I know that it would be completely unworkable in my own, where football and hurling get an equal billing.
Cork have university and divisional teams and they are the biggest dual county in Ireland. They have senior, premier, intermediate and a couple of junior levels as far as I know and many of their divisional championships are taken very seriously so I don't see how the dual argument stands up. All counties should look to have more competitive leagues and more streamlined championships which Kerry are managing to do.
Quote from: Zulu on January 04, 2017, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
Ultra competitive? Dr Crokes have won five of the last seven senior county titles and they streamrolled their way through the majority of those titles. The one noticeable feature of this Kerry club system is it was increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands while a senior All Ireland hasn't been won by a Kerry club since Laune Rangers in 1996.
That's irrelevant. If you've the top 8 teams competing and one of them proves to be far stronger than the rest then you still have as competitive a competition as you can have. Adding 4 teams or more from below will hardly change the eventual winner if they are steamrolling the top 7 teams already. The point is, by limiting the number of senior clubs they are keeping that as competitive as possible while also making the divisions below it more competitive too.
The fact Kerry are dominating at intermediate and junior but not at senior just goes to prove that they have the right system.
By the way, Dr. Crokes had only one game out of 5 in the 2016 county championship with a winning margin greater than 7...hardly steamrolling.
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The fact Kerry are dominating at intermediate and junior but not at senior just goes to prove that they have the right system
Really? While intermediate and junior titles are lovely to win for those clubs and players it doesn't take away the fact that senior football be it county or club is number one in Kerry and If I was Kerry man I would be asking why it's going into 21st year since a Kerry club won a senior All Ireland.
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By the way, Dr. Crokes had only one game out of 5 in the 2016 county championship with a winning margin greater than 7...hardly steamrolling
None of Dr Crokes last five county final wins were ultra competitive contests. If they got the chance to play Austin Stack in the final two years ago they probably would have steamrolled past them yet through all that dominance they haven't been good enough to win the All Ireland will that change this year? Doubtful.
Quote from: Zulu on January 04, 2017, 04:43:09 PM
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 04, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
But Kerry have one of the best systems which provides plenty of competitive games for all their teams. I'm not sure if Clare have 16 senior club football teams but any county the size of Kerry with 16 senior club teams would just mean about half of them play in a competition they'll rarely win or rarely get relegated from. Kerry's senior championship, by virtue of having no deadwood, means it's ultra competitive as are the competitions below. Rather than complain about it, perhaps others should adopt a similar system?
There are a few reasons. But the most obvious one is that there are not enough weekends in the year. If so player from an intermediate club can also play senior championship with his 'division/amalgamation', then a county board can not fix senior and intermediate championships on the same weekend. Club fixtures are already a joke without adding another layer of complexity.
It suits Kerry, they obviously make it work somehow. I couldn't ever speak for other counties, but I know that it would be completely unworkable in my own, where football and hurling get an equal billing.
Cork have university and divisional teams and they are the biggest dual county in Ireland. They have senior, premier, intermediate and a couple of junior levels as far as I know and many of their divisional championships are taken very seriously so I don't see how the dual argument stands up. All counties should look to have more competitive leagues and more streamlined championships which Kerry are managing to do.
But only guarantee their players 2 championship games. Club players don't want to go back to straight knock out for championship.
Reiterating my point, the fixture calendar is already a mess without making it more complex for fixture makers. If HQ ever get around to properly sorting it out from above then this discussion would be worth having. I'm not doubting the merits from a competitiveness point of view
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 04, 2017, 03:05:07 PM
Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in?
Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships. Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year). Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games.
So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?
Not only is it not a requirement, it's illegal under GAA rules. Some counties used to, until quite recently, determine championship promotion/relegation through league positions. I know Galway was one. They were forced to change.
Eh, surely this is nonsense? In Derry if you're relegated from the Senior league you play Intermediate Championship the next year, if promoted the other way you play Senior Chapionship and the same between Intermediate and Junior. I don't think this is illegal as i'm pretty sure it's done in plenty of other counties?
Note: The only exception is to apply to play senior championship which is very rarely done.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 04, 2017, 06:13:20 PM
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 04, 2017, 03:05:07 PM
Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in?
Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships. Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year). Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games.
So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?
Not only is it not a requirement, it's illegal under GAA rules. Some counties used to, until quite recently, determine championship promotion/relegation through league positions. I know Galway was one. They were forced to change.
Eh, surely this is nonsense? In Derry if you're relegated from the Senior league you play Intermediate Championship the next year, if promoted the other way you play Senior Chapionship and the same between Intermediate and Junior. I don't think this is illegal as i'm pretty sure it's done in plenty of other counties?
Note: The only exception is to apply to play senior championship which is very rarely done.
Did a little digging. This is what I based my comment on:
http://connachttribune.ie/major-overhaul-of-county-football-on-the-cards/
It seems Galway were made to change as the Connacht Council found them to be in contravention of the rules. Maybe the Connacht Council were wrong, it's hard to tell from the article.
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 04, 2017, 06:13:20 PM
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 04, 2017, 03:05:07 PM
Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in?
Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships. Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year). Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games.
So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?
Not only is it not a requirement, it's illegal under GAA rules. Some counties used to, until quite recently, determine championship promotion/relegation through league positions. I know Galway was one. They were forced to change.
Eh, surely this is nonsense? In Derry if you're relegated from the Senior league you play Intermediate Championship the next year, if promoted the other way you play Senior Chapionship and the same between Intermediate and Junior. I don't think this is illegal as i'm pretty sure it's done in plenty of other counties?
Note: The only exception is to apply to play senior championship which is very rarely done.
Did a little digging. This is what I based my comment on:
http://connachttribune.ie/major-overhaul-of-county-football-on-the-cards/
It seems Galway were made to change as the Connacht Council found them to be in contravention of the rules. Maybe the Connacht Council were wrong, it's hard to tell from the article.
Strange as from what I can take, how Galway used to be run (and deemed to be against the rules) is currently how things are run in the Tyrone leagues/championships unless i'm missing something?
Funnily as I read it the Armagh championship changed to the format Galway used only a couple of years ago.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 04, 2017, 07:02:55 PM
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 04, 2017, 06:13:20 PM
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 04, 2017, 03:05:07 PM
Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in?
Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships. Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year). Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games.
So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?
Not only is it not a requirement, it's illegal under GAA rules. Some counties used to, until quite recently, determine championship promotion/relegation through league positions. I know Galway was one. They were forced to change.
Eh, surely this is nonsense? In Derry if you're relegated from the Senior league you play Intermediate Championship the next year, if promoted the other way you play Senior Chapionship and the same between Intermediate and Junior. I don't think this is illegal as i'm pretty sure it's done in plenty of other counties?
Note: The only exception is to apply to play senior championship which is very rarely done.
Did a little digging. This is what I based my comment on:
http://connachttribune.ie/major-overhaul-of-county-football-on-the-cards/
It seems Galway were made to change as the Connacht Council found them to be in contravention of the rules. Maybe the Connacht Council were wrong, it's hard to tell from the article.
Strange as from what I can take, how Galway used to be run (and deemed to be against the rules) is currently how things are run in the Tyrone leagues/championships unless i'm missing something?
Pomeroy, the Ulster intermediate champions are the 17th ranked team in Tyrone having competed in the Tyrone intermediate league and championship this year. How can it be that they are expected to compete with a senior team from Kerry, ranked 8/9th for all Ireland honours? Its all wrong if you ask me!
It's an anti Tymoan conspiracy of course, instigated by the "Free State media" :o
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on January 04, 2017, 07:41:41 PM
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Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 04, 2017, 06:13:20 PM
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 04, 2017, 03:05:07 PM
Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in?
Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships. Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year). Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games.
So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?
Not only is it not a requirement, it's illegal under GAA rules. Some counties used to, until quite recently, determine championship promotion/relegation through league positions. I know Galway was one. They were forced to change.
Eh, surely this is nonsense? In Derry if you're relegated from the Senior league you play Intermediate Championship the next year, if promoted the other way you play Senior Chapionship and the same between Intermediate and Junior. I don't think this is illegal as i'm pretty sure it's done in plenty of other counties?
Note: The only exception is to apply to play senior championship which is very rarely done.
Did a little digging. This is what I based my comment on:
http://connachttribune.ie/major-overhaul-of-county-football-on-the-cards/
It seems Galway were made to change as the Connacht Council found them to be in contravention of the rules. Maybe the Connacht Council were wrong, it's hard to tell from the article.
Strange as from what I can take, how Galway used to be run (and deemed to be against the rules) is currently how things are run in the Tyrone leagues/championships unless i'm missing something?
Pomeroy, the Ulster intermediate champions are the 17th ranked team in Tyrone having competed in the Tyrone intermediate league and championship this year. How can it be that they are expected to compete with a senior team from Kerry, ranked 8/9th for all Ireland honours? Its all wrong if you ask me!
Except Kenmare are not a senior club...league position does not determine club status. This part seems hard to grasp for some reason.
The only way to become senior is to win the intermediate championship. Occasionally a regrading year will prevent the winners moving up, but it is rare.
The Kenmare District team that played in the senior championship final included Kenmare Shamrocks, Templenoe and Tuosist clubs.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2017, 08:42:05 PM
It's an anti Tymoan conspiracy of course, instigated by the "Free State media" :o
Any chance of borrowing the big yellow bus for the all Ireland semi. It'll be the only all Ireland series trip it'll make.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 05:29:15 PM
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The fact Kerry are dominating at intermediate and junior but not at senior just goes to prove that they have the right system
Really? While intermediate and junior titles are lovely to win for those clubs and players it doesn't take away the fact that senior football be it county or club is number one in Kerry and If I was Kerry man I would be asking why it's going into 21st year since a Kerry club won a senior All Ireland.
Not sure what point you're trying to make there. Kerry haven't won the senior club recently because they haven't had the best senior club team in Ireland recently. That's no reflection on whether their club season is structured well, it's a reflection of where their best club stands nationally. Their system is excellent, pushing 4 teams from intermediate up to senior and 4 from junior up to intermediate only serves to dilute all three competitions and will have no effect on whether their senior champions are good enough to win an All Ireland.
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 05:43:32 PM
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Quote from: shark on January 04, 2017, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 04, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
But Kerry have one of the best systems which provides plenty of competitive games for all their teams. I'm not sure if Clare have 16 senior club football teams but any county the size of Kerry with 16 senior club teams would just mean about half of them play in a competition they'll rarely win or rarely get relegated from. Kerry's senior championship, by virtue of having no deadwood, means it's ultra competitive as are the competitions below. Rather than complain about it, perhaps others should adopt a similar system?
There are a few reasons. But the most obvious one is that there are not enough weekends in the year. If so player from an intermediate club can also play senior championship with his 'division/amalgamation', then a county board can not fix senior and intermediate championships on the same weekend. Club fixtures are already a joke without adding another layer of complexity.
It suits Kerry, they obviously make it work somehow. I couldn't ever speak for other counties, but I know that it would be completely unworkable in my own, where football and hurling get an equal billing.
Cork have university and divisional teams and they are the biggest dual county in Ireland. They have senior, premier, intermediate and a couple of junior levels as far as I know and many of their divisional championships are taken very seriously so I don't see how the dual argument stands up. All counties should look to have more competitive leagues and more streamlined championships which Kerry are managing to do.
But only guarantee their players 2 championship games. Club players don't want to go back to straight knock out for championship.
Reiterating my point, the fixture calendar is already a mess without making it more complex for fixture makers. If HQ ever get around to properly sorting it out from above then this discussion would be worth having. I'm not doubting the merits from a competitiveness point of view
True, clubs don't want straight knockout but the group systems can be poor and problematic for club fixtures too. There's lots that could be done to straighten out the fixtures but the will is not there from the clubs themselves. However, the Kerry system is still far better than most I'm aware of and importantly they seem to take league games seriously.
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The fact Kerry are dominating at intermediate and junior but not at senior just goes to prove that they have the right system
Really? While intermediate and junior titles are lovely to win for those clubs and players it doesn't take away the fact that senior football be it county or club is number one in Kerry and If I was Kerry man I would be asking why it's going into 21st year since a Kerry club won a senior All Ireland.
Not sure what point you're trying to make there. Kerry haven't won the senior club recently because they haven't had the best senior club team in Ireland recently. That's no reflection on whether their club season is structured well, it's a reflection of where their best club stands nationally. Their system is excellent, pushing 4 teams from intermediate up to senior and 4 from junior up to intermediate only serves to dilute all three competitions and will have no effect on whether their senior champions are good enough to win an All Ireland.
Twenty years is more than just recently. In that time three different clubs from Dublin and Galway won the senior All Ireland,two from Mayo and clubs from Roscommon,Derry,Antrim have won one All Ireland.
The point i was trying to make was if Kerry have right system as you claim then a county as successful as Kerry in football should be producing at least one senior club All Ireland winner the last two decades.
Why? Kerry senior club teams have been very competitive in the All Ireland series so their system isn't producing poor teams just ones that haven't won an All Ireland. I don't think winning club All Irelands is a reflection on the quality of your competition formats it's simply a reflection of the quality of your champions compared to other counties. Are you arguing that Kerry senior champions are falling short in the All Ireland series because they have too few clubs in their own senior championship?
Quote from: Zulu on January 04, 2017, 11:43:31 PM
Why? Kerry senior club teams have been very competitive in the All Ireland series so their system isn't producing poor teams just ones that haven't won an All Ireland. I don't think winning club All Irelands is a reflection on the quality of your competition formats it's simply a reflection of the quality of your champions compared to other counties. Are you arguing that Kerry senior champions are falling short in the All Ireland series because they have too few clubs in their own senior championship?
Just checked there now its ten years since a Kerry club reached the All Ireland senior final so its not just winning it their having trouble with but reaching finals as well.
I'm arguing the current Kerry club system has increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands and the opposite at senior level.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 04, 2017, 11:43:31 PM
Why? Kerry senior club teams have been very competitive in the All Ireland series so their system isn't producing poor teams just ones that haven't won an All Ireland. I don't think winning club All Irelands is a reflection on the quality of your competition formats it's simply a reflection of the quality of your champions compared to other counties. Are you arguing that Kerry senior champions are falling short in the All Ireland series because they have too few clubs in their own senior championship?
Just checked there now its ten years since a Kerry club reached the All Ireland senior final so its not just winning it their having trouble with but reaching finals as well.
I'm arguing the current Kerry club system has increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands and the opposite at senior level.
So Kerry have the best average footballers, but no great ones? Is that what you are saying?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 04, 2017, 11:43:31 PM
Why? Kerry senior club teams have been very competitive in the All Ireland series so their system isn't producing poor teams just ones that haven't won an All Ireland. I don't think winning club All Irelands is a reflection on the quality of your competition formats it's simply a reflection of the quality of your champions compared to other counties. Are you arguing that Kerry senior champions are falling short in the All Ireland series because they have too few clubs in their own senior championship?
Just checked there now its ten years since a Kerry club reached the All Ireland senior final so its not just winning it their having trouble with but reaching finals as well.
I'm arguing the current Kerry club system has increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands and the opposite at senior level.
So what about it hinders their senior clubs? Their format means there are less teams, particularly in senior, who to make up the numbers. The only change they could make to their senior championship format would be to add intermediate teams and you are saying that would improve their ability to win an All Ireland?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
Just checked there now its ten years since a Kerry club reached the All Ireland senior final so its not just winning it their having trouble with but reaching finals as well.
I'm arguing the current Kerry club system has increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands and the opposite at senior level.
Their lack of a senior club AI is nothing to do with a system, and only betrays your lack of understanding of Kerry football. The true strength of Kerry football is that the game is strong in every corner of the county, and while I'm not sure how many clubs they have, even the smallest junior club imaginable tends to have a decent structure, good coaches, and a clear pathway for players to develop to the best of their potential, via the divisional system. Their most ordinary junior sides would be middling intermediate in most counties.
That same system handicaps them in terms of providing a senior All Ireland contender - ten of the last twenty Kerry SFC winners were divisional sides, which means that 10 of the last 20 Kerry contenders in the All Ireland club race came in on the back of not actually winning a county title.
I'm sure if their main aim was to produce All Ireland club winners they might do things differently, but they have other goals that supercede that by some margin.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
Just checked there now its ten years since a Kerry club reached the All Ireland senior final so its not just winning it their having trouble with but reaching finals as well.
I'm arguing the current Kerry club system has increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands and the opposite at senior level.
Their lack of a senior club AI is nothing to do with a system, and only betrays your lack of understanding of Kerry football. The true strength of Kerry football is that the game is strong in every corner of the county, and while I'm not sure how many clubs they have, even the smallest junior club imaginable tends to have a decent structure, good coaches, and a clear pathway for players to develop to the best of their potential, via the divisional system. Their most ordinary junior sides would be middling intermediate in most counties.
That same system handicaps them in terms of providing a senior All Ireland contender - ten of the last twenty Kerry SFC winners were divisional sides, which means that 10 of the last 20 Kerry contenders in the All Ireland club race came in on the back of not actually winning a county title.
I'm sure if their main aim was to produce All Ireland club winners they might do things differently, but they have other goals that supercede that by some margin.
Finally, some sense on the matter!!!
The Kerry system has been in place long before the AI club series was introduced for intermediate and junior clubs. The system was not introduced by the Kerry county board to help kerry clubs rack up junior and intermediate club titles. It is a method to improve the general standard of club footballer throughout the county and therefore increase the pick of players who might be at inter-county standard. The aim is to improve the Kerry county team's chance of winning All Irelands, not to increase the chances of winning intermediate and junior club all irelands.
I completely agree that a by-product of the system is that Kerry clubs will win more intermediate and junior all irelands. But the Kerry county board are doing nothing wrong here.
I have said for years that the kerry system is the best system to improve the general standard of football in a county and should be implemented in every county. However, a lot of local politics would mean that amalgamated/divisional sides would not be voted for in several counties.
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Quote from: Lone Shark on January 05, 2017, 02:31:50 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
Just checked there now its ten years since a Kerry club reached the All Ireland senior final so its not just winning it their having trouble with but reaching finals as well.
I'm arguing the current Kerry club system has increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands and the opposite at senior level.
Their lack of a senior club AI is nothing to do with a system, and only betrays your lack of understanding of Kerry football. The true strength of Kerry football is that the game is strong in every corner of the county, and while I'm not sure how many clubs they have, even the smallest junior club imaginable tends to have a decent structure, good coaches, and a clear pathway for players to develop to the best of their potential, via the divisional system. Their most ordinary junior sides would be middling intermediate in most counties.
That same system handicaps them in terms of providing a senior All Ireland contender - ten of the last twenty Kerry SFC winners were divisional sides, which means that 10 of the last 20 Kerry contenders in the All Ireland club race came in on the back of not actually winning a county title.
I'm sure if their main aim was to produce All Ireland club winners they might do things differently, but they have other goals that supercede that by some margin.
Finally, some sense on the matter!!!
The Kerry system has been in place long before the AI club series was introduced for intermediate and junior clubs. The system was not introduced by the Kerry county board to help kerry clubs rack up junior and intermediate club titles. It is a method to improve the general standard of club footballer throughout the county and therefore increase the pick of players who might be at inter-county standard. The aim is to improve the Kerry county team's chance of winning All Irelands, not to increase the chances of winning intermediate and junior club all irelands.
I completely agree that a by-product of the system is that Kerry clubs will win more intermediate and junior all irelands. But the Kerry county board are doing nothing wrong here.
I have said for years that the kerry system is the best system to improve the general standard of football in a county and should be implemented in every county. However, a lot of local politics would mean that amalgamated/divisional sides would not be voted for in several counties.
To be fair, it's not just local politics. I accept that Kerry hurling is going well at the moment but there still is no real dual culture down there, so that makes it a lot easier to implement a system like this. I'd love to see something similar in Offaly but we could be in a situation where between eight and ten members of our intercounty hurling panel would also play club football with intermediate/junior football clubs. If they were to be afforded the option of playing with a divisional side, then working out fixtures would be impossible.
Similarly, Kerry has a lot of clubs, roughly 70-80 or so I'm guessing? That makes it a lot easier to put something like this in place, since you can have divisions with enough clubs to make them workable. Most of the counties around here have maybe 25-30 clubs in total that play football. That's a different world entirely.
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Quote from: Lone Shark on January 05, 2017, 02:31:50 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
Just checked there now its ten years since a Kerry club reached the All Ireland senior final so its not just winning it their having trouble with but reaching finals as well.
I'm arguing the current Kerry club system has increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands and the opposite at senior level.
Their lack of a senior club AI is nothing to do with a system, and only betrays your lack of understanding of Kerry football. The true strength of Kerry football is that the game is strong in every corner of the county, and while I'm not sure how many clubs they have, even the smallest junior club imaginable tends to have a decent structure, good coaches, and a clear pathway for players to develop to the best of their potential, via the divisional system. Their most ordinary junior sides would be middling intermediate in most counties.
That same system handicaps them in terms of providing a senior All Ireland contender - ten of the last twenty Kerry SFC winners were divisional sides, which means that 10 of the last 20 Kerry contenders in the All Ireland club race came in on the back of not actually winning a county title.
I'm sure if their main aim was to produce All Ireland club winners they might do things differently, but they have other goals that supercede that by some margin.
Finally, some sense on the matter!!!
The Kerry system has been in place long before the AI club series was introduced for intermediate and junior clubs. The system was not introduced by the Kerry county board to help kerry clubs rack up junior and intermediate club titles. It is a method to improve the general standard of club footballer throughout the county and therefore increase the pick of players who might be at inter-county standard. The aim is to improve the Kerry county team's chance of winning All Irelands, not to increase the chances of winning intermediate and junior club all irelands.
I completely agree that a by-product of the system is that Kerry clubs will win more intermediate and junior all irelands. But the Kerry county board are doing nothing wrong here.
I have said for years that the kerry system is the best system to improve the general standard of football in a county and should be implemented in every county. However, a lot of local politics would mean that amalgamated/divisional sides would not be voted for in several counties.
WRONG!
http://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/sport/relegation-structure-finalised-31607074.html (http://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/sport/relegation-structure-finalised-31607074.html)
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Quote from: westbound on January 05, 2017, 10:07:36 AM
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 05, 2017, 02:31:50 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
Just checked there now its ten years since a Kerry club reached the All Ireland senior final so its not just winning it their having trouble with but reaching finals as well.
I'm arguing the current Kerry club system has increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands and the opposite at senior level.
Their lack of a senior club AI is nothing to do with a system, and only betrays your lack of understanding of Kerry football. The true strength of Kerry football is that the game is strong in every corner of the county, and while I'm not sure how many clubs they have, even the smallest junior club imaginable tends to have a decent structure, good coaches, and a clear pathway for players to develop to the best of their potential, via the divisional system. Their most ordinary junior sides would be middling intermediate in most counties.
That same system handicaps them in terms of providing a senior All Ireland contender - ten of the last twenty Kerry SFC winners were divisional sides, which means that 10 of the last 20 Kerry contenders in the All Ireland club race came in on the back of not actually winning a county title.
I'm sure if their main aim was to produce All Ireland club winners they might do things differently, but they have other goals that supercede that by some margin.
Finally, some sense on the matter!!!
The Kerry system has been in place long before the AI club series was introduced for intermediate and junior clubs. The system was not introduced by the Kerry county board to help kerry clubs rack up junior and intermediate club titles. It is a method to improve the general standard of club footballer throughout the county and therefore increase the pick of players who might be at inter-county standard. The aim is to improve the Kerry county team's chance of winning All Irelands, not to increase the chances of winning intermediate and junior club all irelands.
I completely agree that a by-product of the system is that Kerry clubs will win more intermediate and junior all irelands. But the Kerry county board are doing nothing wrong here.
I have said for years that the kerry system is the best system to improve the general standard of football in a county and should be implemented in every county. However, a lot of local politics would mean that amalgamated/divisional sides would not be voted for in several counties.
WRONG!
http://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/sport/relegation-structure-finalised-31607074.html (http://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/sport/relegation-structure-finalised-31607074.html)
The kerry system with divisional sides has been in place long before 2015.
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The kerry system with divisional sides has been in place long before 2015.
Pretty sure the first club all-ireland was won by a divisional side from Kerry but divisional sides were banned shortly afterwards because other counties felt it was unfair.
The fact that people are still complaining about Kerry's structures 50 years later rather than doing anything to improve their own structures says a lot.
Read the Article.
They reduced their Senior Championship from 11 to 8! Making things even more unfair!!!!!
I don't give to damns about their Divisional system!
For F***s sack All Ireland Intermediate Champions St. Marys played intermediate again this year. Total Joke!
Let's bring in a rule that you have to have 16 senior Clubs in Kerry :)
Quote from: Rossfan on January 05, 2017, 02:14:30 PM
Let's bring in a rule that you have to have 16 senior Clubs in Kerry :)
Yes! Now you are seeing the light! ;P
I'd imagine if Mayo cut its senior grade to 8 and Intermediate likewise then the champions in the intermediate and junior grades would be well placed for tilts at the AI more than they already are. Nothing stopping them doing it either, but maybe some clubs who get all precious about their status might complain that they actually have to justify their place at the top table rather than win one game in the relegation playoffs each year and think that makes them a proper senior club, we had that moaning here whenever reductions were suggested in the past.
We have 10 each in the top two grades now, being honest I'd cut it to 8 and make three properly competitive championships out of it, the intermediate still carries some passengers and the junior should be a bit better now (it has 3 clubs in it now rather than the usual 0/1, would be up to 7/8 in that scenario). The winners of those you would hope to do better in provincial competition, but then Molaise Gaels were the best intermediate winners in years last year and still lost to Leitrim opponents. Having a standardised number across the board wouldn't work at all, the disparity in number of clubs between Dublin/Cork and Carlow/Leitrim is huge. But there's certainly a few counties who could trim their grades in similar fashion and it would do their club competitions no harm at all, but then nobody likes being an intermediate or junior team.
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 05, 2017, 02:31:50 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
Just checked there now its ten years since a Kerry club reached the All Ireland senior final so its not just winning it their having trouble with but reaching finals as well.
I'm arguing the current Kerry club system has increased their chances of winning intermediate and junior All Irelands and the opposite at senior level.
Their lack of a senior club AI is nothing to do with a system, and only betrays your lack of understanding of Kerry football. The true strength of Kerry football is that the game is strong in every corner of the county, and while I'm not sure how many clubs they have, even the smallest junior club imaginable tends to have a decent structure, good coaches, and a clear pathway for players to develop to the best of their potential, via the divisional system. Their most ordinary junior sides would be middling intermediate in most counties.
Surely this is hard to judge given that they have so few senior teams which invariably strengthens their intermediate and junior championships as it would in any county. If they had double the amount of senior clubs for example it would have a knock on effect on the strength in depth of their lower level championships.
There are 20 senior clubs in Galway for example (too many if you ask me) but if you put half of those down to intermediate and half of intermediate down to junior then we'd certainly be winning a lot more at the lower levels.
It's up to each county to organise how they like but often comparing standards in championships is not comparing like with like exactly.
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It's an anti Tymoan conspiracy of course, instigated by the "Free State media" :o
Any chance of borrowing the big yellow bus for the all Ireland semi. It'll be the only all Ireland series trip it'll make.
Are you asking for Donegal?
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2017, 02:04:32 PM
Read the Article.
They reduced their Senior Championship from 11 to 8! Making things even more unfair!!!!!
I don't give to damns about their Divisional system!
For F***s sack All Ireland Intermediate Champions St. Marys played intermediate again this year. Total Joke!
I read the article back in 2015 too! ;)
The divisional/regional system is what the kerry system is all about, and that has been in place for years! It is the reason there are less 'senior' clubs.
The change in 2015/16 didn't change the structure of the championships (i.e. the divisional system). If you believe that the lower the number of senior clubs in a championship the more unfair it is, then fair enough this change made it more 'unfair'.
However, my overriding points are 1) the Kerry county board are doing nothing wrong here. It is up to every county board to structure their championships in whatever way they see fit.
2) I don't believe the Kerry county board sat down sometime in 2015 and had a discussion about "how do we get more All Ireland intermediate and junior club titles". You can be pretty sure the kerry county board 's main aim is how to improve general standards in the county with the aim of getting more SENIOR All Irelands for the county. This was the reason the divisional system was introduced in the first place.
Btw, I agree completely about St. Mary's this year. That was totally wrong. It is worth pointing out, that was a one off. But I agree it shouldn't have been allowed at all.
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Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in?
Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships. Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year). Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games.
So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?
Not only is it not a requirement, it's illegal under GAA rules. Some counties used to, until quite recently, determine championship promotion/relegation through league positions. I know Galway was one. They were forced to change.
Eh, surely this is nonsense? In Derry if you're relegated from the Senior league you play Intermediate Championship the next year, if promoted the other way you play Senior Chapionship and the same between Intermediate and Junior. I don't think this is illegal as i'm pretty sure it's done in plenty of other counties?
Note: The only exception is to apply to play senior championship which is very rarely done.
Did a little digging. This is what I based my comment on:
http://connachttribune.ie/major-overhaul-of-county-football-on-the-cards/
It seems Galway were made to change as the Connacht Council found them to be in contravention of the rules. Maybe the Connacht Council were wrong, it's hard to tell from the article.
Strange as from what I can take, how Galway used to be run (and deemed to be against the rules) is currently how things are run in the Tyrone leagues/championships unless i'm missing something?
Galway used be like that up until about 7/8 years ago, and a very clear, functional and well-defined system it was too. Then something happened concerning one of Galway's Intermediate/Junior club representatives (it *may* have been the Aran Islands) around that time, they were involved in a controversial match or in a fracas with other opponents, something like that. IIRC Croke Park didn't like the way it was handled so, as a belt of the crozier, made Galway change their domestic competitions to come into line with their rules. Prior to that, I think they had been turning a blind eye to it. It certainly hasn't helped improve football in Galway since.
I think there is a (quite vague) clause in the GAA constitution which states that counties can, with permission from CP, overrule certain GAA rules if they can present a cogent case that they are detrimental to the assoc. in the county itself. i.e. a county could run their domestic competitions contrary to the set-down guidelines if, by doing so, it noticeably improves the level of competition within the county.
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Ah please, Mayo lads and moaning..we've had enough of it.
You've had the respective distances of travel laid out for you which show the venues to be totally logical and fair. Crokes have played 1 game in Gaelic Grounds before (and were almost beaten by Cratloe), Glenbeigh have never played there before of course. They have also never won the Kerry Junior championship before last year and yet, according to some clowns, they have some magical advantage over other clubs at the same grade?
Enough of this nonsense please.
No problem with venues! Only a few of the Kerry players will have played in them before.
On the grading system. Well you can only laugh at anyone who thinks that Kerry intermediate and Junior clubs are not graded higher than other counties! Once again (in theory) Mayo's 17th best team will get to play Kerry's 9th best. Kerry have a stronger intermediate and Junior championship because they have a very small Senior Championship. It stands to reason.
How did your Intermediate Champions of 2015 get on in the Senior championship of 2016?
I've had numerous arguments on here in the past with Kerry posters. They chose their system and it works for them. Nothing to stop other counties doing the same.
Their system is completely unbalanced and unfair in regard to how most other counties operate. The likes of their JFC winners playing division one football is a joke. As is their 8 team SFC.
For sure. The same reason why you hardly ever see the Dublin intermediate or junior champions make any impression in Leinster (Castleknock were an exception). Fingallians were, in theory, the 33rd best team in Dublin this year and got knocked out by Rosemount, Westmeath's 13th best.
Very true. Paul Flynn was away on a holiday for that match though and would surely have edged it Fingallians way had he bothered to stay around. Couldn't see him missing a Leinster semi final for the county, but then again the GPA don't care much for the club. He had a poor year with the dubs by his standards but got his second wind when he went back to Fingallians.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2017, 02:04:32 PM
Read the Article.
They reduced their Senior Championship from 11 to 8! Making things even more unfair!!!!!
I don't give to damns about their Divisional system!
For F***s sack All Ireland Intermediate Champions St. Marys played intermediate again this year. Total Joke!
I read the article back in 2015 too! ;)
The divisional/regional system is what the kerry system is all about, and that has been in place for years! It is the reason there are less 'senior' clubs.
The change in 2015/16 didn't change the structure of the championships (i.e. the divisional system). If you believe that the lower the number of senior clubs in a championship the more unfair it is, then fair enough this change made it more 'unfair'.
However, my overriding points are 1) the Kerry county board are doing nothing wrong here. It is up to every county board to structure their championships in whatever way they see fit.
2) I don't believe the Kerry county board sat down sometime in 2015 and had a discussion about "how do we get more All Ireland intermediate and junior club titles". You can be pretty sure the kerry county board 's main aim is how to improve general standards in the county with the aim of getting more SENIOR All Irelands for the county. This was the reason the divisional system was introduced in the first place.
Btw, I agree completely about St. Mary's this year. That was totally wrong. It is worth pointing out, that was a one off. But I agree it shouldn't have been allowed at all.
Kerry winning Intermediate, Junior and Junior Intercounty All Irelands has to create a positive feel good factor that Kerrys Senior Intercounty team can only gain from. Taking a three further teams from senior football makes this more possible to dominate in all these grades and no matter how you try to dress this up this is the reality.
I have no issue with Kerry and how they run their Championship within the county. They have their way and good luck to them. But if they are to enter the Munster and All Ireland Championships then their Junior champions enter the Intermediate championship and their Novice Champions enter the Junior Championship. The reverse of the way the British Champions enter the AI Club competitions.
Why on earth would they have to do that? Is it not far more sensible for Mayo, and others, to cut the deadwood from their senior and intermediate championships thus making all three of their club championships more competitive and providing stronger intermediate and junior champions?
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Quote from: westbound on January 05, 2017, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2017, 02:04:32 PM
Read the Article.
They reduced their Senior Championship from 11 to 8! Making things even more unfair!!!!!
I don't give to damns about their Divisional system!
For F***s sack All Ireland Intermediate Champions St. Marys played intermediate again this year. Total Joke!
I read the article back in 2015 too! ;)
The divisional/regional system is what the kerry system is all about, and that has been in place for years! It is the reason there are less 'senior' clubs.
The change in 2015/16 didn't change the structure of the championships (i.e. the divisional system). If you believe that the lower the number of senior clubs in a championship the more unfair it is, then fair enough this change made it more 'unfair'.
However, my overriding points are 1) the Kerry county board are doing nothing wrong here. It is up to every county board to structure their championships in whatever way they see fit.
2) I don't believe the Kerry county board sat down sometime in 2015 and had a discussion about "how do we get more All Ireland intermediate and junior club titles". You can be pretty sure the kerry county board 's main aim is how to improve general standards in the county with the aim of getting more SENIOR All Irelands for the county. This was the reason the divisional system was introduced in the first place.
Btw, I agree completely about St. Mary's this year. That was totally wrong. It is worth pointing out, that was a one off. But I agree it shouldn't have been allowed at all.
Kerry winning Intermediate, Junior and Junior Intercounty All Irelands has to create a positive feel good factor that Kerrys Senior Intercounty team can only gain from. Taking a three further teams from senior football makes this more possible to dominate in all these grades and no matter how you try to dress this up this is the reality.
I have no issue with Kerry and how they run their Championship within the county. They have their way and good luck to them. But if they are to enter the Munster and All Ireland Championships then their Junior champions enter the Intermediate championship and their Novice Champions enter the Junior Championship. The reverse of the way the British Champions enter the AI Club competitions.
So now we are getting to common ground! :)
If counties believe that their junior and intermediate clubs are being unfairly treated then they are perfectly entitled to change the structure of their own championships in whatever way they see fit. It's not as if the Kerry structure is a state secret.
Update with times for this weekend's games...plus a recent change of venue sees double header in Ennis featuring the Kerry and Mayo football teams.
Senior Football
Feb 11: Corofin (Galway) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Limerick; St. Vincents (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Newry
March 17 Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Football
Jan 29: Westport (Mayo) v Kenmare (Kerry) in Ennis 2:15pm; St. Colmcilles (Meath) v Pomeroy (Tyrone) in Armagh 2:15pm
Feb 19: Final in Croke Park
Junior Football:
Jan 29: Louisburgh (Mayo) v Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) in Ennis 12:30pm; Dunedin Connolly's (Edinburgh) v Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) in Armagh 12:30pm
Feb 19: Final in Croke Park
Senior Hurling
Feb 4: St. Thomas (Galway) v Ballyea (Clare) in Thurles
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Armagh
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Hurling
Jan 29 Semi Finals: Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (near Ballinasloe, Co. Galway) v Lismore (Waterford) in Tullamore 2:15pm; Carrickshock (Kilkenny) v Robert Emmetts (London) in Portlaoise 1pm
Junior Hurling
Jan 29: Calry/St. Josephs (Sligo) v Mayfield (Cork) in Tullamore 12:30pm; Mooncoin (Kilkenny) v Lamh Dearg (Antrim) in Trim 2pm
Feb 18: Final in Croke Park
Would it not have made sense to fix the intermediate football & junior football games between Mayo & Kerry opposition as a double header?
Ennis or Limerick would be close enough to half way between the teams (Ennis probably closer to the halfway point).
Especially with Westport and Louisburgh being neighbouring clubs, I would have thought a lot of people would want to go and see both games.
Quote from: westbound on January 26, 2017, 09:38:37 AM
Would it not have made sense to fix the intermediate football & junior football games between Mayo & Kerry opposition as a double header?
Ennis or Limerick would be close enough to half way between the teams (Ennis probably closer to the halfway point).
Especially with Westport and Louisburgh being neighbouring clubs, I would have thought a lot of people would want to go and see both games.
It is a double header in Ennis. Both games are being streamed live by localstreaming.club as well.
Quote from: MayoBuck on January 26, 2017, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: westbound on January 26, 2017, 09:38:37 AM
Would it not have made sense to fix the intermediate football & junior football games between Mayo & Kerry opposition as a double header?
Ennis or Limerick would be close enough to half way between the teams (Ennis probably closer to the halfway point).
Especially with Westport and Louisburgh being neighbouring clubs, I would have thought a lot of people would want to go and see both games.
It is a double header in Ennis. Both games are being streamed live by localstreaming.club as well.
Change noted...makes sense for once.
I see that Glenbeigh/Glencar are 1/4 to beat Louisburgh and Kenmare are 1/5 to beat Westport with Paddy Power. Just shows you how weak the standard of Connacht club football is. The standard of Intermediate and Junior Football must be really high in Kerry. I wonder how they manage to have such a high standard compared to other counties?
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
I see that Glenbeigh/Glencar are 1/4 to beat Louisburgh and Kenmare are 1/5 to beat Westport with Paddy Power. Just shows you how weak the standard of Connacht club football is. The standard of Intermediate and Junior Football must be really high in Kerry. I wonder how they manage to have such a high standard compared to other counties?
Get over it, or go push for a revamp of the Championships in Mayo to bolster the standard of the lower grades. Galway could do likewise as well, 20 teams in senior is too much.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on January 27, 2017, 08:43:06 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
I see that Glenbeigh/Glencar are 1/4 to beat Louisburgh and Kenmare are 1/5 to beat Westport with Paddy Power. Just shows you how weak the standard of Connacht club football is. The standard of Intermediate and Junior Football must be really high in Kerry. I wonder how they manage to have such a high standard compared to other counties?
Get over it, or go push for a revamp of the Championships in Mayo to bolster the standard of the lower grades. Galway could do likewise as well, 20 teams in senior is too much.
Mayo have 45 clubs with a 16 team senior , 16 team intermediate and the rest in junior championship. The junior championship is split in A, B and C with 4 groups in each but Junior B and C is mainly reserve teams with only Kilmovee shamrocks, Eastern Gaels in Junior B and Moygownagh in Junior C being first teams of clubs so 11 of the 16 clubs in Junior A are clubs first teams.
Mayo could probably pair down the junior championship to A & B and I think maybe divisional teams in the senior championship should be tried again in some way but I son't think there are too many senior , intermediate and Junior A teams damaging the standard of club football.
Underage coaching in clubs & schools would do more to improve standards than changes to championship structures.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
I see that Glenbeigh/Glencar are 1/4 to beat Louisburgh and Kenmare are 1/5 to beat Westport with Paddy Power. Just shows you how weak the standard of Connacht club football is. The standard of Intermediate and Junior Football must be really high in Kerry. I wonder how they manage to have such a high standard compared to other counties?
Honestly think alot of counties have to reduce the amount of senior clubs in their counties like Kerry ( I think) have done. Will never happen I know. Think this "Senior B" that some counties have is a nonsense. Should be branded intermediate which is what it is.
Standard of Kerry club football is excellent and that is why they are winning all around them at junior and intermediate levels.
Cannot see Slaughtneil being beaten in the football. Saw them on telly before Christmas and they looked excellent. Very well balanced which is the key at this level.
Watch the games live now!
Watch Kerrys Senior B and Intermediate B teams! ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfShzUy2AEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfShzUy2AEw)
The trimming Louisburgh got wasnt as surprise as they weren't that convincing in a fairly average Connacht junior championship. I would expect Westport to give a better account of themselves as the Port would give the best Mayo senior clubs a decent game.
Kenmare ahead by a point at HT.After a shaky opening Westport have dominated the game and should be a few ahead.
Westport 1-6 Kenmore 0-9
Goes to extra time.
Finished level at FT.20 min. of E.T to be played.
https://youtu.be/IfShzUy2AEw
Live streaming here.
Savage ballsey win for the Covies.
Quote from: PW Nally on January 29, 2017, 04:10:28 PM
Savage ballsey win for the Covies.
Get in! Mickey Ned sounds a bit shocked on the Live feed! Ha Ha! ;D Great achievement!
Heart stopping stuff at the end.Kenmare maybe should have got a peno at the death.Great run from Keegan to clinch it at the end.
Westport missed a ton of chances, I hate to say it but the ref helped
Westport big time.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on January 29, 2017, 04:22:20 PM
Westport missed a ton of chances, I hate to say it but the ref helped
Westport big time.
Yes, Keegan should have walked at an important Juncture. The Penalty was iffy. Also there should have been a free for a third man tackle when the game was in the balance.
Well done to Westport a fine hard earned win. They should go on to win the All Ireland now after taking out the favourites.
The Mayo savages on commentary on Mid-West nearly orgasmed at the end.
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2017, 04:35:10 PM
The Mayo savages on commentary on Mid-West nearly orgasmed at the end.
Do you not have an FBd final to be worrying about rather than ruining every Mayo thread?
Quote from: maigheo on January 29, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2017, 04:35:10 PM
The Mayo savages on commentary on Mid-West nearly orgasmed at the end.
Do you not have an FBd final to be worrying about rather than ruining every Mayo thread?
Just use the ignore function and you bypass the nonsense.
Quote from: maigheo on January 29, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2017, 04:35:10 PM
The Mayo savages on commentary on Mid-West nearly orgasmed at the end.
Do you not have an FBd final to be worrying about rather than ruining every Mayo thread?
I wouldn't have had to listen to them if Westport hadn't arsed around and ended up in extra-time. Galway people much easier to get on with this week too btw.
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2017, 04:35:10 PM
The Mayo savages on commentary on Mid-West nearly orgasmed at the end.
You have little to be blathering about I suppose.
Quote from: PW Nally on January 29, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: maigheo on January 29, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2017, 04:35:10 PM
The Mayo savages on commentary on Mid-West nearly orgasmed at the end.
Do you not have an FBd final to be worrying about rather than ruining every Mayo thread?
Just use the ignore function and you bypass the nonsense.
Where is this function
Update after Jan 29 games...only 1 game next weekend, the first hurling semi-final featuring St. Thomas (Galway) v Ballyea (Clare) in Thurles.
Senior Football
Feb 11: Corofin (Galway) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Limerick; St. Vincents (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Newry
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Football
Jan 29: Westport (Mayo) 1-10 Kenmare (Kerry) 0-11 AET; St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-11 Pomeroy (Tyrone) 2-13
Feb 19: Final - Westport (Mayo) v St. Colmcilles (Meath) in Croke Park
Junior Football
Jan 29: Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 4-14 Louisburgh (Mayo) 0-13; Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-18 Dunedin Connolly's (Edinburgh) 2-6
Feb 19: Final - Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) v Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) in Croke Park
Senior Hurling
Feb 4: St. Thomas (Galway) v Ballyea (Clare) in Thurles
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Armagh
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Hurling
Jan 29: Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (near Ballinasloe in Galway) 1-17 v Lismore (Waterford) 0-13; Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 0-18 v Robert Emmetts (London) 1-9
Feb 18: Final - Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (Galway) v Carrickshock (Kilkenny) in Croke Park
Junior Hurling
Jan 29: Mayfield (Cork) 1-14 Calry/St. Josephs (Sligo) 1-7; Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 5-11 v Lamh Dearg (Antrim) 0-8
Feb 18: Final - Mayfield (Cork) v Mooncoin (Kilkenny) in Croke Park
Took in the St Colmcille v Pomeroy match today. Pomeroy controlled most of the possession but were very wasteful. Mistakes gifted the Meath men 2 goals and their full forward line caused havoc. McGeary found Reilly a handful. On the other side Burns had a great second half for Pomeroy. The meath men will need to improve for the final.
Update 5 Feb - next weekend sees both senior football semi-finals on Saturday (11 Feb).
Senior Football
Feb 11: Corofin (Galway) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Limerick; St. Vincents (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Newry
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Football
Jan 29: Westport (Mayo) 1-10 Kenmare (Kerry) 0-11 AET; St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-11 Pomeroy (Tyrone) 2-13
Feb 19: Final - Westport (Mayo) v St. Colmcilles (Meath) in Croke Park
Junior Football
Jan 29: Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 4-14 Louisburgh (Mayo) 0-13; Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-18 Dunedin Connolly's (Edinburgh) 2-6
Feb 19: Final - Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) v Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) in Croke Park
Senior Hurling
Feb 4: Ballyea (Clare) 1-19 St. Thomas (Galway) 2-14
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Armagh
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Hurling
Jan 29: Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (near Ballinasloe in Galway) 1-17 v Lismore (Waterford) 0-13; Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 0-18 v Robert Emmetts (London) 1-9
Feb 18: Final - Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (Galway) v Carrickshock (Kilkenny) in Croke Park
Junior Hurling
Jan 29: Mayfield (Cork) 1-14 Calry/St. Josephs (Sligo) 1-7; Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 5-11 v Lamh Dearg (Antrim) 0-8
Feb 18: Final - Mayfield (Cork) v Mooncoin (Kilkenny) in Croke Park
Quote from: Ball Hopper on February 06, 2017, 04:33:10 PM
Update 5 Feb - next weekend sees both senior football semi-finals on Saturday (11 Feb).
Senior Football
Feb 11: Corofin (Galway) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Limerick; St. Vincents (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Newry
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Football
Jan 29: Westport (Mayo) 1-10 Kenmare (Kerry) 0-11 AET; St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-11 Pomeroy (Tyrone) 2-13
Feb 19: Final - Westport (Mayo) v St. Colmcilles (Meath) in Croke Park
Junior Football
Jan 29: Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 4-14 Louisburgh (Mayo) 0-13; Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-18 Dunedin Connolly's (Edinburgh) 2-6
Feb 19: Final - Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) v Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) in Croke Park
Senior Hurling
Feb 4: Ballyea (Clare) 1-19 St. Thomas (Galway) 2-14
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Armagh
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Hurling
Jan 29: Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (near Ballinasloe in Galway) 1-17 v Lismore (Waterford) 0-13; Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 0-18 v Robert Emmetts (London) 1-9
Feb 18: Final - Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (Galway) v Carrickshock (Kilkenny) in Croke Park
Junior Hurling
Jan 29: Mayfield (Cork) 1-14 Calry/St. Josephs (Sligo) 1-7; Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 5-11 v Lamh Dearg (Antrim) 0-8
Feb 18: Final - Mayfield (Cork) v Mooncoin (Kilkenny) in Croke Park
Looking forward to the Corofin Crokes game, should be a cracker.
Update 12 Feb - next weekend sees final in the intermediate and junior championships in both codes. Hurling finals on Saturday, Football finals on Sunday.
No word yet on what would happen March 17 fixtures if Slaughtneil reach the senior hurling final.
Senior Football
Feb 11: Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 2-11 Corofin (Galway) 0-8; Slaughtneil (Derry) 0-12 St. Vincents (Dublin) 0-10
March 17: Final Slaughtneil (Derry) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Croke Park
Intermediate Football
Jan 29: Westport (Mayo) 1-10 Kenmare (Kerry) 0-11 AET; St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-11 Pomeroy (Tyrone) 2-13
Feb 19: Final - Westport (Mayo) v St. Colmcilles (Meath) in Croke Park
Junior Football
Jan 29: Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 4-14 Louisburgh (Mayo) 0-13; Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-18 Dunedin Connolly's (Edinburgh) 2-6
Feb 19: Final - Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) v Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) in Croke Park
Senior Hurling
Feb 4: Ballyea (Clare) 1-19 St. Thomas (Galway) 2-14
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Armagh
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Hurling
Jan 29: Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (near Ballinasloe in Galway) 1-17 v Lismore (Waterford) 0-13; Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 0-18 v Robert Emmetts (London) 1-9
Feb 18: Final - Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (Galway) v Carrickshock (Kilkenny) in Croke Park
Junior Hurling
Jan 29: Mayfield (Cork) 1-14 Calry/St. Josephs (Sligo) 1-7; Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 5-11 v Lamh Dearg (Antrim) 0-8
Feb 18: Final - Mayfield (Cork) v Mooncoin (Kilkenny) in Croke Park
Glenbeigh seem to be a strange outfit, between the division 1 league and senior county championship in 2016 they were the only team to beat Dr. Crokes, yet despite this and being a division 1 team they've been accused in kerry of having mental frailties :o
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/aib-all-ireland-junior-and-intermediate-finals-to-be-streamed-live-from-croke-park-777473.html
QuoteAIB All-Ireland Junior and Intermediate finals to be streamed live from Croke Park
Thursday, February 16, 2017 - 05:25 pm
AIB have announced that GAA fans can now view the final instalments of the 2016/17 AIB GAA Junior and Intermediate Football and Hurling Club Championship online via aib.ie/gaa and the AIB YouTube channel.
Eight outstanding teams from Mayo, Meath, Kerry, Tyrone, Kilkenny, Galway and Cork will compete in what is the pinnacle of the AIB GAA Junior and Intermediate Hurling and Football club championship.
GAA fans can now follow every minute of the action online and witness who is #TheToughest thanks to Club Championship sponsor AIB who recently teamed up with innovative TV service LocalStreaming.club.
Live video streaming is growing in popularity, and the games between Westport and Kenmare, and Louisburgh against Glenbeigh / Glencar in the Junior and Intermediate club semi-finals in Ennis were shown online with over 23,900 people from 72 countries watching at least a few minutes of live coverage.
Commenting on AIB's live video streaming service, Patrick Somers, Marketing Manager, AIB, said; "We are very excited about live streaming all four finals. We have collaborated with LocalStreaming.club on a number of occasions and they have shown a real commitment to capturing the pure skill and intense emotion of these great championship games."
The schedule for both days is as follows:
Saturday, 18th February:
2.30pm: Coverage starts
3pm: Junior Hurling Final: Mayfield (Cork) v Mooncoin (Kilkenny)
4.45pm: Intermediate Hurling Final: Ahascragh-Fohenagh (Galway) v Carrickshock (Kilkenny)
Sunday, 19th February:
1.30pm: Coverage starts;
2pm: Junior Football Final Glenbeigh-Glencar (Kerry), v Rock St Patrick's (Tyrone)
3.45pm, Intermediate Football Final: St. Colmcille's (Meath) v Westport GAA (Mayo)
To view all the action from the final instalments of the 2016/17 AIB GAA Junior and Intermediate Football and Hurling Club Championship visit https://aib.ie/gaa/blog/2017/02/livestreaming_junior_intermediate_club_finals.
For exclusive content and behind the scenes action from the AIB club championship follow AIB GAA on Twitter and Instagram and facebook.com/AIBGAA.
Best of luck to Westport on Sunday.
Best of Luck to the 'Covies' today.
Bring it home!
Good luck Westport
Up the Cilles!
I'll be there to roar on the Covies!
If any soul ever deserved an AI medal, it has to be Leroy.
I'll be as happy as a pig in shite if he gets one this evening.
Is this on tv?
Quote from: moysider on February 19, 2017, 01:55:04 PM
Is this on tv?
You can watch it here live , https://aib.ie/gaa/blog/2017/02/livestreaming_junior_intermediate_club_finals .
Great. Thanks Crete
At this stage it's looking good for the Rock. Glenbeigh are rattled and Darren O'Sullivan is now injured. He's in at full forward at start of 2nd half. 0-9 to 1-6 h/t.
Quote from: clarshack on February 19, 2017, 02:48:48 PM
At this stage it's looking good for the Rock. Glenbeigh are rattled and Darren O'Sullivan is now injured. He's in at full forward at start of 2nd half. 0-9 to 1-6 h/t.
Yeah O'Sullivan looks done after trying that shot there!!
It seems the full screen option is blocked on the you tube stream? It's a balls really
I watched about 15 minutes at the end there.
The second yellow to reduce The Rock to 13 had to be seen to be believed. It looked like it was given for a nudge in the back under a kickout. Thought The Rock were absolutely shafted by the referee there. Gourley and McCreesh were excellent for The Rock.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 19, 2017, 03:29:23 PM
I watched about 15 minutes at the end there.
The second yellow to reduce The Rock to 13 had to be seen to be believed. It looked like it was given for a nudge in the back under a kickout. Thought The Rock were absolutely shafted by the referee there. Gourley and McCreesh were excellent for The Rock.
Joke to send off the Rock midfielder. 3rd player sent off as Glenbeigh crying to the linesman
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 19, 2017, 03:29:23 PM
I watched about 15 minutes at the end there.
The second yellow to reduce The Rock to 13 had to be seen to be believed. It looked like it was given for a nudge in the back under a kickout. Thought The Rock were absolutely shafted by the referee there. Gourley and McCreesh were excellent for The Rock.
Could not agree more with your comments.
I tuned in around same time.
Ref is a tool terrible
Hard luck to the Rock. They put in some effort.
O'Sullivan put in some performance considering he looked f*cked the start of the 2nd half.
Also that was some save by the glenbeigh keeper from mccreesh near the end.
Quote from: clarshack on February 19, 2017, 03:34:40 PM
Hard luck to the Rock. They put in some effort.
Serious effort by both teams. Some jobsworth that ref. Thought he was about to send another Rock player off after the whistle for a wee hand squeeze
Quote from: JoG2 on February 19, 2017, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 19, 2017, 03:34:40 PM
Hard luck to the Rock. They put in some effort.
Serious effort by both teams. Some jobsworth that ref. Thought he was about to send another Rock player off after the whistle for a wee hand squeeze
He got a couple squeezed handshakes at the end. ;D Can't blame players for been frustrated as yellow cards were very soft.
Only seen bits and pieces. The black card for O'Sullivan at the end shows how stupid the rule is. O'Sullivan did what most would do under current rules and pulled rock player down. The Rock player looked badly hurt and play was stopped for a considerable time. The rule as it stands encourages these dangerous tackles near the end of the game and helps the guilty team break up play. Would make more sense for a black card offence in defense to lead to a 45 and in attack a 21 yard free. If a goal opportunity then a penalty and a yellow or red card.
Quote from: Gael85 on February 19, 2017, 03:49:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 19, 2017, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 19, 2017, 03:34:40 PM
Hard luck to the Rock. They put in some effort.
Serious effort by both teams. Some jobsworth that ref. Thought he was about to send another Rock player off after the whistle for a wee hand squeeze
He got a couple squeezed handshakes at the end. ;D Can't blame players for been frustrated as yellow cards were very soft.
Be hard not to blow a gasket surely
Referee in Westport game not letting game flow >:(
Good game with Colm Moran of Westport shooting the lights out.
Looking good for Westport at half time. A solid defensive display 2nd half and the All Ireland will be won.
A one point win. Congratulations to Westport!
Well done Westport. Did all they could to lose it though. Inexperience I suppose.
Well done to Westport and Glenbeigh
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 19, 2017, 05:20:57 PM
A one point win. Congratulations to Westport!
Did their best to do the standard Mayo in a final in the 2nd half.
In fairness when they wise up they ll be winning county senior.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2017, 05:24:06 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 19, 2017, 05:20:57 PM
A one point win. Congratulations to Westport!
Did their best to do the standard Mayo in a final in the 2nd half.
First time a Mayo club has won the intermediate club All Ireland?
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 19, 2017, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2017, 05:24:06 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 19, 2017, 05:20:57 PM
A one point win. Congratulations to Westport!
Did their best to do the standard Mayo in a final in the 2nd half.
First time a Mayo club has won the intermediate club All Ireland?
Yes after 3 defeats
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 19, 2017, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2017, 05:24:06 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 19, 2017, 05:20:57 PM
A one point win. Congratulations to Westport!
Did their best to do the standard Mayo in a final in the 2nd half.
First time a Mayo club has won the intermediate club All Ireland?
I think so.
Quote from: moysider on February 19, 2017, 05:26:23 PM
In fairness when they wise up they ll be winning county senior.
With their age profile you think they should be among the contenders for a Mayo county senior before long.
Well done to Westport and Glenbeigh.
When you see the unadulterated joy a junior or intermediate championship title brings at club level, it just reinforces how daft the structure at inter-county level is.
Intermediate and Junior All Ireland club championships is Sean Kelly's greatest legacy
Quote from: moysider on February 19, 2017, 05:26:23 PM
In fairness when they wise up they ll be winning county senior.
They are just inexperienced Moy. Keegan is the oldest at 27 and I'm pretty sure that 5 of the starting 15 sat the leaving cert last June. You could see it was a little experience for sure but they did well to weather the loss of Keane after less than 10mins and a very fortuitous Colmcilles goal. If they keep the squad together they have a lot of potential for sure.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 19, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
Well done to Westport and Glenbeigh.
When you see the unadulterated joy a junior or intermediate championship title brings at club level, it just reinforces how daft the structure at inter-county level is.
So true, it would be great to get back to basics.
Intercounty is quickly becoming a pure and utter money racket.
At administration, provincial, managerial, medical, and let's not forget our GPA friends.
It seems like it is going to get worse.
Great stuff Westport :D
Quote from: Jinxy on February 19, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
Well done to Westport and Glenbeigh.
When you see the unadulterated joy a junior or intermediate championship title brings at club level, it just reinforces how daft the structure at inter-county level is.
Absolutely Jinxy.
I might need to lie down for a while to get over the shock of a Rhubarb team winning an AI.
Seriously though well done to both winners, commiserations to the losers and great to see these lads get to play on Croker.
Well done Westport!
The age profile of that Westport team is unreal. Lee Keegan the oldest player at 27, 5 lads playing today that will be sitting their leaving cert this summer if I heard the commentary correctly.
Colm Moran looks an excellent prospect, Oisín McLoughlin too. Exciting forwards is something Mayo has been lacking (O'Connors apart) so hopefully those lads can keep progressing.
John power, john tennyson, michael rice and richie power on an intermediate team- not a bad lineup!
Update 19 Feb – congrats to Carrickshock and Mayfield for their All-Ireland titles in the hurling and to Westport and Glenbeigh/Glencar in the football. Next weekend has the second senior hurling semi-final featuring Cuala (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Armagh.
Senior Football
Feb 11: Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 2-11 Corofin (Galway) 0-8; Slaughtneil (Derry) 0-12 St. Vincents (Dublin) 0-10
March 17: Final Slaughtneil (Derry) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Croke Park
Intermediate Football
Jan 29: Westport (Mayo) 1-10 Kenmare (Kerry) 0-11 AET; St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-11 Pomeroy (Tyrone) 2-13
Feb 19: Final - Westport (Mayo) 2-12 St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-8
Junior Football
Jan 29: Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 4-14 Louisburgh (Mayo) 0-13; Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-18 Dunedin Connolly's (Edinburgh) 2-6
Feb 19: Final - Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 1-14 Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-11
Senior Hurling
Feb 4: Ballyea (Clare) 1-19 St. Thomas (Galway) 2-14
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) v Slaughtneil (Derry) in Armagh
March 17: Final in Croke Park
Intermediate Hurling
Jan 29: Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (near Ballinasloe in Galway) 1-17 v Lismore (Waterford) 0-13; Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 0-18 v Robert Emmetts (London) 1-9
Feb 18: Final - Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 2-15 Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (Galway) 0-6
Junior Hurling
Jan 29: Mayfield (Cork) 1-14 Calry/St. Josephs (Sligo) 1-7; Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 5-11 v Lamh Dearg (Antrim) 0-8
Feb 18: Final - Mayfield (Cork) 2-16 Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 1-18
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2017, 06:28:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 19, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
Well done to Westport and Glenbeigh.
When you see the unadulterated joy a junior or intermediate championship title brings at club level, it just reinforces how daft the structure at inter-county level is.
Absolutely Jinxy.
I might need to lie down for a while to get over the shock of a Rhubarb team winning an AI.
Seriously though well done to both winners, commiserations to the losers and great to see these lads get to play on Croker.
Did 2016 & 2013 pass you by?? ;D
I delete unpleasant memories every 1st January ;D
The junior and intern are uneven playing fields; teams playing division 1 playing in both; hows that work against teams who play out of division 2 and 3! The rock is a genuine strong division 3 team! How come kerry teams in division 1 can play junior! Does not make sense!!
The Kerry set-up seems to be an anomaly alright.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2017, 12:31:48 PM
The junior and intern are uneven playing fields; teams playing division 1 playing in both; hows that work against teams who play out of division 2 and 3! The rock is a genuine strong division 3 team! How come kerry teams in division 1 can play junior! Does not make sense!!
Same in Mayo kinda. League placing has no bearing on championship grade. Kilmaine for instance played in Division 1 last year. Got relegated. Were intermediate last year too, got relegated there too. They'll be junior this year, yet will play Ballina and Westport (think they're in Div 2) in the league.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2017, 07:27:25 PM
Well done Westport!
The age profile of that Westport team is unreal. Lee Keegan the oldest player at 27, 5 lads playing today that will be sitting their leaving cert this summer if I heard the commentary correctly.
Colm Moran looks an excellent prospect, Oisín McLoughlin too. Exciting forwards is something Mayo has been lacking (O'Connors apart) so hopefully those lads can keep progressing.
Monivea/Abbey of Galway kicking themselves a bit; maybe the better team V Westport in the Connacht semi-final and outscored them from play by 5-2 but conceded a very soft technical free at the death and then missed a crucial equalising one to lose by a point. Them's the margins.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 19, 2017, 03:51:41 PM
Only seen bits and pieces. The black card for O'Sullivan at the end shows how stupid the rule is. O'Sullivan did what most would do under current rules and pulled rock player down. The Rock player looked badly hurt and play was stopped for a considerable time. The rule as it stands encourages these dangerous tackles near the end of the game and helps the guilty team break up play. Would make more sense for a black card offence in defense to lead to a 45 and in attack a 21 yard free. If a goal opportunity then a penalty and a yellow or red card.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=266651
O'Sullivan has cheek to complain taken out of game. >:(
Don't mind this 'hit out' nonsense.
The media are always at this craic.
Such and such has 'blasted' someone or something, is another common one.
His actual quote is harmless enough and knowing him he was probably smiling when he said it.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 21, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
Don't mind this 'hit out' nonsense.
The media are always at this craic.
Such and such has 'blasted' someone or something, is another common one.
His actual quote is harmless enough and knowing him he was probably smiling when he said it.
And then the media whinge when they get restricted access to players, or when players go into cliché mode. Is it any wonder?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 21, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
Don't mind this 'hit out' nonsense.
The media are always at this craic.
Such and such has 'blasted' someone or something, is another common one.
His actual quote is harmless enough and knowing him he was probably smiling when he said it.
O'Sullivan can be precious at times but that quote is actually quite amusing. If they lost though it may have been expressed differently.
Update 13 March – only the senior finals to go on Friday. Any predictions on who will win? Dr. Crokes and Cuala are favs per PP site.
Senior Football
Feb 11: Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 2-11 Corofin (Galway) 0-8; Slaughtneil (Derry) 0-12 St. Vincents (Dublin) 0-10
March 17: Final Slaughtneil (Derry) v Dr. Crokes (Kerry) in Croke Park 5pm
Intermediate Football
Jan 29: Westport (Mayo) 1-10 Kenmare (Kerry) 0-11 AET; St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-11 Pomeroy (Tyrone) 2-13
Feb 19: Final - Westport (Mayo) 2-12 St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-8
Junior Football
Jan 29: Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 4-14 Louisburgh (Mayo) 0-13; Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-18 Dunedin Connolly's (Edinburgh) 2-6
Feb 19: Final - Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 1-14 Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-11
Senior Hurling
Feb 4: Ballyea (Clare) 1-19 St. Thomas (Galway) 2-14
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) 3-21 Slaughtneil (Derry) 2-11
March 17: Final Ballyea (Clare) v Cuala (Dublin) in Croke Park 3pm
Intermediate Hurling
Jan 29: Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (near Ballinasloe in Galway) 1-17 v Lismore (Waterford) 0-13; Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 0-18 v Robert Emmetts (London) 1-9
Feb 18: Final - Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 2-15 Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (Galway) 0-6
Junior Hurling
Jan 29: Mayfield (Cork) 1-14 Calry/St. Josephs (Sligo) 1-7; Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 5-11 v Lamh Dearg (Antrim) 0-8
Feb 18: Final - Mayfield (Cork) 2-16 Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 1-18
For the finals on Friday its far too close to call could go either way and draw in both games not unlikely either
Have a pair of adjacent Lower Cusack tickets for Friday, if anyone's interested -- they're free (PM if interested).
And so the year ends for club players. Congratulations to all the winners and all the participants.
Senior Football
Feb 11: Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 2-11 Corofin (Galway) 0-8; Slaughtneil (Derry) 0-12 St. Vincents (Dublin) 0-10
March 17: Final Dr. Crokes (Kerry) 1-9 Slaughtneil (Derry) 1-7
Intermediate Football
Jan 29: Westport (Mayo) 1-10 Kenmare (Kerry) 0-11 AET; St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-11 Pomeroy (Tyrone) 2-13
Feb 19: Final - Westport (Mayo) 2-12 St. Colmcilles (Meath) 3-8
Junior Football
Jan 29: Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 4-14 Louisburgh (Mayo) 0-13; Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-18 Dunedin Connolly's (Edinburgh) 2-6
Feb 19: Final - Glenbeigh/Glencar (Kerry) 1-14 Rock St. Patricks (Tyrone) 1-11
Senior Hurling
Feb 4: Ballyea (Clare) 1-19 St. Thomas (Galway) 2-14
Feb 25: Cuala (Dublin) 3-21 Slaughtneil (Derry) 2-11
March 17: Final Cuala (Dublin) 2-19 Ballyea (Clare) 1-10
Intermediate Hurling
Jan 29: Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (near Ballinasloe in Galway) 1-17 v Lismore (Waterford) 0-13; Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 0-18 v Robert Emmetts (London) 1-9
Feb 18: Final - Carrickshock (Kilkenny) 2-15 Ath Eascrach/Fothaine Ahascragh/Fohenagh (Galway) 0-6
Junior Hurling
Jan 29: Mayfield (Cork) 1-14 Calry/St. Josephs (Sligo) 1-7; Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 5-11 v Lamh Dearg (Antrim) 0-8
Feb 18: Final - Mayfield (Cork) 2-16 Mooncoin (Kilkenny) 1-18
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 20, 2017, 08:34:12 PM
And so the year ends for club players. Congratulations to all the winners and all the participants.
And the next year begins if it hasn't already.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on March 21, 2017, 12:12:01 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 20, 2017, 08:34:12 PM
And so the year ends for club players. Congratulations to all the winners and all the participants.
And the next year begins if it hasn't already.
Many County Leagues started already? Kerry had their first round this weekend past (Dr. Crokes were granted a postponement).