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The Hames at St James?

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The "What The f**k Is That?"

I think the shine has worn off Jim the last two weeks.  Every dog has his day??

[have you got a source for this "recent research"]

Although the shipyard in east Belfast gained a reputation in the 20th Century as a bastion of Protestant unionism, recent research has shown that Catholics were also involved in the three-year construction project.

Una Reilly says: "The workforce was mixed. There were actually thousands of Catholics employed at the time. Of course, things changed afterwards, but at the time the Titanic was built by all of us."[/i]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13595400

I'm not doubting the accuracy of this EG, but have you got a source for this "recent research" ...apart from Una Reilly whom I believe is the Chair and co-founder of the Belfast Titanic Society.

No.
By coincidence, soon after I read the (rather predictable) comments by one or two posters on here about the "Prod workforce etc" at H&W, I heard Mark Simpson's BBC News Report on the commemorations in Belfast, where he mentioned this recent research. So I looked out the relevant page on the BBC's website and quoted it.
I have no reason to suspect that Simpson (or Reilly) is incorrect, still less making it up. Therefore the burden of proof now rests with the "Prods-only" camp (imo)

You often cite Wikipedia as a source...it says, "...the ship's sinking was alleged to be on account of anti-Catholicism by her manufacturers, the Harland and Wolff company, which had an almost exclusively Protestant workforce and an alleged record of hostility towards Catholics. (Harland and Wolff did have a record of hiring few Catholics; whether that was through policy or because the company's shipyard in Belfast's bay was located in almost exclusively Protestant East Belfast—through which few Catholics would travel—or a mixture of both, is a matter of dispute. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic (though Wikipedia is noted for containing some inaccuracies)

Not so.
I sometimes  quote Wiki, but only when it deals with factual matters (i.e. not matters of opinion) and even then when it has supporting links and citations. And I always make it clear it's Wiki, so readers may judge its value (or otherwise) for themselves.

However it's worth bearing in mind also that not everyone who worked "in the shipyard" worked for Harland & Wolff.

Indeed.

For example, an earlier poster made reference to the "sub-standard" rivets used in the building of the Titanic. I seem to recall hearing that it was only some  of the rivets which were defective, this being because for a job this big (also Olympic and Britannic), H&W was forced to buy in rivets from outside, from a variety of suppliers.

Which also prompts me to speculate that having gained these three massive orders, H&W will almost certainly have had to take on thousands of extra workers. That being so, it may be that these included the Catholic employees referred to by Simpson/Reilly? And with WW1 following soon after, these may well have been kept on.

However, with the post-war slump and the Depression of the 30's etc. H&W will have had to reduce their workforce, as orders slowed. In which case, I'd guess the "last-in" will have been "first-out", especially if they were also Catholic.

No would have been sufficient EG   As neither the Titanic Society nor the BBC can substantiate this claim I think the burden of proof still rests with the "there were loads of Taigs in the shipyard" brigade" aka the Reillyists

Seriously did Harland & Wolff or the other companies in the shipyard record the religious affiliation of their employees in those days??  Maybe they did.

How many people were employed in the shipyard around 1909-1912??  I've seen various figures between 15,000 and 35,000 quoted probably the discrepancy is total workforce and H&W employees??).  I've also seen a figure of approx 3,000 Catholics employed.  Now against a workforce of 35,000 that's just over 8.5%...which would seem about right to me?

AQMP (A Taig whose father and grandfather both worked in the shipyard...though neither for H&W)

[Even us Mexicans heard of the sectarianism of Harland and Wolff]

I have not even remotely thought about the religious breakdown of the workers nor do I care or want to know. Strange way you think!

Even us Mexicans heard of the sectarianism of Harland and Wolff. Gas how you never remotely thought of it.

And did your hearing extend back to 1912?

At the time, it was largest man-made moving object on earth. The floating hotel was built by Harland and Wolff whose workforce in 1911 was around 15,000-strong.

Although the shipyard in east Belfast gained a reputation in the 20th Century as a bastion of Protestant unionism, recent research has shown that Catholics were also involved in the three-year construction project.

Una Reilly says: "The workforce was mixed. There were actually thousands of Catholics employed at the time. Of course, things changed afterwards, but at the time the Titanic was built by all of us."[/b][/u]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13595400

P.S. Possibly H&W's most famous former employee:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1467840/Joe-Cahill.html

I'm not doubting the accuracy of this EG, but have you got a source for this "recent research"...apart from Una Reilly whom I believe is the Chair and co-founder of the Belfast Titanic Society.  You often cite Wikipedia as a source...it says, "...the ship's sinking was alleged to be on account of anti-Catholicism by her manufacturers, the Harland and Wolff company, which had an almost exclusively Protestant workforce and an alleged record of hostility towards Catholics. (Harland and Wolff did have a record of hiring few Catholics; whether that was through policy or because the company's shipyard in Belfast's bay was located in almost exclusively Protestant East Belfast—through which few Catholics would travel—or a mixture of both, is a matter of dispute. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic (though Wikipedia is noted for containing some inaccuracies)

However it's worth bearing in mind also that not everyone who worked "in the shipyard" worked for Harland & Wolff.

Paul Scholes, one of the greatest midfielders the game has ever had has retired after an unbelievable career. Well done Paul. Great to see he is staying at the club to coach.

MANCHESTER UNITED legend Paul Scholes has retired from football.
The midfielder, 36, decided to hang up his boots after growing increasingly dissatisfied with his bit-part role.

Scholes — who scored 150 goals in 675 appearances — will take up a coaching role at United next season.

He said: "This was not a decision I have taken lightly but I feel now is the right time for me to stop playing.

"I can honestly say that playing football is all I have ever wanted to do and to have had such a long and successful career at Manchester United has been a real honour.

"To have been part of the team that helped the Club reach that 19th title is a great privilege.

"I would like to thank the fans for their tremendous support throughout my career. I would also like to thank all the coaches and players that I have worked with over the years.

"But most of all I would like to thank Alex Ferguson for being such a great manager.

"From the day I joined the club his door has always been open and I know this team will go on to win many more trophies under his leadership."

The Red Devils have also announced Scholes will have a testimonial match at Old Trafford in August.

One of the best English players of the last 30 years.  Ten times the player Beckham ever was with a millionth of the exposure.  Will probably make a good coach.

Remains to been seen what happens when Xavi is done it's also Mourinho theory Barca won't be as good when he's done

Xavi could call time on his international career shortly allowing him to continue playing for Barca for another 4-5 years.
For sure he is the lynchpin of the current team but they will hope to have a ready made replacement when he does decide to hang up his boots.
Currently Barca reserves and all the teams below them are coached by former Barca players, Luis Enrique, Oscar, Sergi etc.
All the teams are been coached to play the same way so it allows the players to move up the ranks seemlessly.
Xavi will go straight into coaching when he finishes up playing.

The next 2 big names are the brothers Thiago 20 and Rafinha 16. Sons of Brazilian WC winner Mazinho.
Barca fans have huge hopes for both of them.
As much as they would like to get Fabergas back, they are not bothered if they have to pay crazy money when so much talent is coming up the line.

Agree about Xavi.  According to Wikipedia, Xavier Hernandez i Creus (to give him his full title) was born on 25 Jan 1980.  The type of player he is, I think he could easily play at the top level until he's 34/35 and maybe beyond if he jacks in Spain.

[Rooney]

How many of Utd's team would honestly get on for Barca??

Vidic & Rooney would start, but who else?

VDS would be a contender, only he is now retired. Evra would be 50/50

You think so??  My guess is 0.

Does the Liverpool,Chelsea & Man City fans think their clubs would have done any better tonight?

No.

On that performance it would have been about 9-0 against Chelsea.  MU were totally outplayed by a much better team.  No shame.  How many points would Barca win the EPL by??  I agree with a lot of posters, this was a much more one sided game than 2009.  Apart from the first 10 mins and the few seconds for the goal, Utd weren't in the game.  There was a poignant shot in the slo-mo reply of Villa's goal where you could see Hernandez up the pitch with his hands on his hips wondering what that white round thing was.  Thought Rooney was Utd's best, Hernandez, Giggs, Valencia mostly anonymous.

53.  If you don't find the pospect of the CL final depressing enough...Listen to The Wall by Pink Floyd

21. Swim with whales

In Evil Genius' bath tub

Which station do you guys reckon will be the best to watch this game?

Connolly??

Kevin is only player to have an ALL Ireland and Fa Cup medal 

did socrates not do that (as well as world cup medal)

He did spin a good yarn though
The 'Socrates won a Sigerson' Urban legend. He didn't even study in Ireland.

Aye and when did he win an FA Cup medal? Or a World Cup medal?

Arry is a good wheeler dealer.

Faaack Off!

[I think it's used because it's always been used - Scotland and Wales used to use it too.]

For a crowd who claim they don't do politics and who want "soccer for all" -
why do they use the UK State anthem as their anthem (it is only the National anthem of 55% of the 6 Cos population) ? -

I think it's used because it's always been used - Scotland and Wales used to use it too. (It is after all "the national anthem" across the UK) I'd be more than happy to see it changed for NI matches, as would a significant section of the NI support. I've been arguing this case for many years now. I think the IFA wants to shy away from the difficult decision on this.

why did the few IFA fans who were in Lansdowne Road last night have two of the largest Union Jacks prominently displayed behind them.? If they are simply following a team why not a green and white flag ... the team colours?

"No Fenians wanted here"  is the message sent out loud and clear.

Well EG/MW ?
Exempting Nifan from this 

Firstly, and sorry for taking this first but this is a bugbear of mine, "IFA fans" is a silly turn of phrase. They're not fans of the IFA, in fact they most likely are strong critics of the IFA. They're Northern Ireland fans.

Secondly, again, I'd prefer it if people didn't bring Union Flags. I think they do so not because they're making any sort of "no Fenians" statement but because for some reason which I don't really fathom they think they need to show their British identity. It's only a minority that does this. And hard to press down on, since it's actually the official flag of NI.

Thirdly, saying "If they are simply following a team why not a green and white flag ... the team colours?" is a bit disingenuous - it's international football. There will always be national flags, even if (as in Italy, the Netherlands, or Germany), they don't coincide with the colour of the team's kit. You're not really making an argument against national flags in general at international football, are you?

Fourthly, a question to you - what do you make of the sizeable number of Tricolours flown by a significant proportion of the crowd at Ireland rugby games?

Oh really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiWP5Z6GTgY&feature=BFa&list=PL7340235AF2B8CC33&index=16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ1ONnyiPqw

[....Ryan Gigg's character is being questioned here]

Loving it....Ryan Gigg's character is being questioned here.  What is the character of an anonymous poster on a web forum lambasting someone they don't know a sc*mbag and other such vile names..the irony isnt lost on me

Course it is being questioned he is a cheating scum bag  .

Has this been proven?  Apart from gossipers online and an MP who referred to the footballer being referred to on twitter as Ryan Giggs, has the actual super injunction been identified as being held by Ryan Giggs?

The injunction is still in place which means technically most people on this thread have breached it openeing themselves to a possible contempt of court action.  Interesting Giggs' a Premiership footballer's lawyers are still pursuing Twitter for the names of users who named the person they thought had taken out the injunction.  Also technically this is not a super injunction.  That is where the media are not allowed to report that it actually exists as in the case of Trafigura last year.

The injuction does not apply to ireland although if this site is hosted in England or Wales it may be in breach. 

AS for nrico2006 are you well in head 

Twitter is hosted in San Francisco but their lawyers said last night they are still investigating whether they will have to comply with the injunction.