After the dust settles on Sunday's game I can imagine more than a few Monaghan fans will consider it to be a huge opportunity missed and feel rightly frustrated that their county aren't sitting in an All Ireland final. I mentioned on a previous thread how frustrating the 1995 final was and it probably stands out as the most difficult defeat to stomach as a Tyrone fan (with Meath in 1996 running it close). Lenny mentioned Derry getting beaten by Cavan in 97, but I wonder what defeats are particularly difficult to stomach for other counties.
I hate to see Tyrone win ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
I was too young to fully appreciate the '95 and '96 defeats so for me it was the replayed Ulster final of 2005. Leaving the ground that day felt horrible. Made the semi final all the more enjoyable, though ;)
Derry - the first Galway sf defeat, 2nd one wasn't great either, Down 94, and Cavan as mentioned
No one minds getting beat by a team at a similar/better level however 2004 v Fermanagh is the one that sticks because you know that if it was played out another 10 times we would have won each time imho. Shocking display. A soft All-Ireland that year.
Leaving croke park in 1996 to be greeted by crowds of Dubs on Jones road jeering at us was pretty hard to take.
1995 is a close second because of the sheer injustice of it.
In the modern era I'd have to say losing the quarter final to Mayo in 2016 hurt the most because it was a huge missed opportunity to get to an all Ireland final and the chances we missed in the last 15 minutes was shocking.
I'd imagine those old enough to remember the 86 final would rank it fairly high.
Down 2010 or Donegal 2011 both had ridiculous refereeing decisions go against us, the Donegal one was a definite game changer
Derry in 2001. After comfortably beating them in Ulster. God gets lined and Paddy Bradley outjumps Finbarr McConnell. Couldn't write it.
2005 Leinster Football Final v Dublin. Have never been as gutted leaving Croke Park.
Also 1981, Laois V Offaly.I don't remember it but my aul fella still talks about Padraig Horans "goal" v Laois that actually went through the side netting. My uncle was Laois goalkeeper that day so it was never really forgotten in our house!
https://amp.independent.ie/sport/hurling/horan-recalls-how-twist-of-fate-lifted-offaly-26447887.html
I was in national school for the 1996 final so didn't really care too much at the time. Definitely the 2013 final for me. I genuinely thought we were the best in the country leading up to it. 2016 and 17 it was accepted that we were big underdogs heading into the finals.
2003, 2005, 2000, 2004. In that order.
Left a number of Sams behind us.
1986 v Kerry, that penalty, 2002 v Sligo O'Hara outstanding
'97 Ulster Final v Cavan: 1pt defeat. Cavan were awarded a point that was clearly wide. Another point came from a missed double bounce.
'99 Ulster Semi-Final v Armagh: Coleman's penalty tipped over by Benny. Downey's perfect shoulder being given as a free in for McConville to win it.
'01 AI Semi Final: Midway through the second half it looked like there was only going to be one winner, but collapsed from 5 points up to lose the game by 3. I believe that was our best chance at a second All-Ireland.
Every defeat we've had at the hands of Longford since the qualifiers began.
Sligo 2002 is a good shout. I remember leaving croke Park think we were never gonna win an all Ireland.
Kerry 2015 and Mayo 2016 stand out because both games were there for the wining but we kicked them away.
Tyrone Fan so in terms of the worst feeling
1997 v Derry
96 v Meath
2002 v Sligo
2014 v Kerry
1991 All-Ireland semi final loss to Meath felt the worst, even though was at All-Ireland loss to Kerry in 1980, just felt after that one we would be back. Very wrong on that one.
Quote from: laoislad on August 16, 2018, 05:18:35 PM
2005 Leinster Football Final v Dublin. Have never been as gutted leaving Croke Park.
Also 1981, Laois V Offaly.I don't remember it but my aul fella still talks about Padraig Horans "goal" v Laois that actually went through the side netting. My uncle was Laois goalkeeper that day so it was never really forgotten in our house!
https://amp.independent.ie/sport/hurling/horan-recalls-how-twist-of-fate-lifted-offaly-26447887.html
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What about 1986? Laois v Wicklow. The league champions dumped out of the championship in Aughrim
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/aughrim-id-prefer-to-forget-about-that-ambush-mick-dempsey-30272316.html
'85 v Derry
'86 v Kerry
'88 v Monaghan
hit me hard.
Followed by
'95 v Dubs
'02 v Sligo
Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2018, 05:58:50 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 16, 2018, 05:18:35 PM
2005 Leinster Football Final v Dublin. Have never been as gutted leaving Croke Park.
Also 1981, Laois V Offaly.I don't remember it but my aul fella still talks about Padraig Horans "goal" v Laois that actually went through the side netting. My uncle was Laois goalkeeper that day so it was never really forgotten in our house!
https://amp.independent.ie/sport/hurling/horan-recalls-how-twist-of-fate-lifted-offaly-26447887.html
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What about 1986? Laois v Wicklow. The league champions dumped out of the championship in Aughrim
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/aughrim-id-prefer-to-forget-about-that-ambush-mick-dempsey-30272316.html
Why don't you just pick your own Galway one and not worry about Laois. I'm sure you have plenty to pick from with Galway.....
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 16, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Sligo 2002 is a good shout. I remember leaving croke Park think we were never gonna win an all Ireland.
+1 I think I'd wiped that from my memory. It felt like we were as far away from an All Ireland as ever that evening.
Galway hurlers
1989 loss to Tipperary was sickening because of the ref, Mr Denton, and because Keady was suspended and because Antrim were in the final so it was a guaranteed all Ireland but Tipp's need was obviously greater...
91 v Tipp because it was the end of a great team
2013 losing to Clare after having been in the final the year before. And then the hoors went on to win the All Ireland. That was a real sickener
Footballers would include 1983 in a very bad final vs the Dubs who had 2 less players
2007 and 2011 getting dumped out of the championship by Meath. FFS
And 2012 when we were beaten by Antrim. Hardstation was ecstatic . Every cloud has a silver lining.
From a Cavan perspective the 1997 All Ireland semi when we missed a simple goal chance in second half.
2004 versus Armagh in Ulster semi when we had Pierce McKenna sent of after 30 seconds for an air punch on Francie. Ger Pierson nearly chipped Hearty to win it.
The last three defeats to Monaghan in Ulster. The first by a point when we should have had a free in at end, then another by a point with Monaghan's bench being the difference plus an incorrect black card for Martin Reilly and last year by a goal with us hitting the post at end.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 16, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Sligo 2002 is a good shout. I remember leaving croke Park think we were never gonna win an all Ireland.
Forgot about this one actually. I'd rank it up there with the worst
Also a bad defeat when 6 or so clear v Down in either 99 or 00 in Casement.
It's hard to pick one as an antrim fan!
The wexford quarter final was hard to stomach in early 2000s. The ref completely shafted us in the last ten minutes. Possibly kilkenny 91.
Recently there have just been too many you couldn't pick one.
Losing the All-Ireland to Klare.
Great teams win two in a row, and Offaly fell short. Seven Sundays after giving their greatest hurling performance when beating Kilkenny. Never saw that defeat coming, complacency a major factor - not just within the team but throughout the county as a whole. Scored 2-8 and hit just 6 wides, can't complain with that, but made heroes out of an opposition with just one forward (and he hurling midfield for much of it).
We will never hear the end of it. Klare got a quarter-hour on 'The Game' last Monday night. And Éamonn Cregan (who contributed enormously to the 1994 win) never got to properly enjoy coaching an All-Ireland winning team.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2018, 06:55:04 PM
It's hard to pick one as an antrim fan!
The wexford quarter final was hard to stomach in early 2000s. The ref completely shafted us in the last ten minutes. Possibly kilkenny 91.
Recently there have just been too many you couldn't pick one.
Wasn't there one against Kerry around 09/10?
1997 1st round game v Cavan. The drawn game we should have won, before Jim Currans 7mins of injury time! In hindsight maybe our best chance to win Ulster, when everyone else took a year off.
That was even worse than Athletic Grounds 1993, when realistically we wouldn't have gone any further anyway.
Any of the numerous ones Il Bomber inflicted on us here.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 16, 2018, 05:10:10 PM
Down 2010 or Donegal 2011 both had ridiculous refereeing decisions go against us, the Donegal one was a definite game changer
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The kildare goal in 2010 semi had more steps than strictly.
As a Down man 99 ulster final hiding and tlosing the AI final in 2010.
Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2018, 06:55:04 PM
It's hard to pick one as an antrim fan!
The wexford quarter final was hard to stomach in early 2000s. The ref completely shafted us in the last ten minutes. Possibly kilkenny 91.
Recently there have just been too many you couldn't pick one.
Wasn't there one against Kerry around 09/10?
Yeah that would be the only football one. Really if we don't win we tend to have been out of our depths. Maybe kildare the first day round under baker too might be in there.
The hurling has had some sickening ones as we went thinking we'd a chance and at times were beat after ten minutes.
Meath 1991.
I have to echo Omagh_Gael with the 2005 Ulster Final defeat considering the referee played such a role in the defeat. 95 and 96 defeats were disappointing but that 2005 one stands out. Thankfully we didn't have to wait too long for revenge
Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2018, 06:02:31 PM
'85 v Derry
'86 v Kerry
'88 v Monaghan
hit me hard.
Followed by
'95 v Dubs
'02 v Sligo
You could probably throw '87 in Irvinestown in there, The Come on Tyrone tape flat out on the way to the match, thinking we'd walk back to Croke Park...then Armagh stick 5 goals past us and the summer is over. As a youngster I was fairly devastated.
Not a defeat but not winning and throwing away a munster football final in thurles against cork in 2002 was very tough, arses handed to us in the replay.
Tyrone under 21 AI final in 2015
Cavan in the league last year was tough because its a game we should have wrapped up and gained promotion from but let it slip.....Roscommon last year was more of a freak result losing it slip and at the time wasnt the all or nothing game the cavan one was.
The '91 final.
Even though we were the peoples' champions, winning the actual silverware would have been the perfect finale to an epic year.
Colm O'Rourke rising from his death bed like the warrior he was nearly swung it for us.
1995 Hurling v Clare.
Where do you start! Was 9 in 96, but should have won the first day.
99 against Cork, thought we were going to win that semi.
01 Connacht final v Ros.
13 v Dublin, had enough chances in the first half.
Last year left me wondering if I will ever see Sam in Mayo - I'm resigned to the fact that we'll get beat every year at some stage.
Quote from: tippabu on August 16, 2018, 08:22:56 PM
Not a defeat but not winning and throwing away a munster football final in thurles against cork in 2002 was very tough, arses handed to us in the replay.
Tyrone under 21 AI final in 2015
Cavan in the league last year was tough because its a game we should have wrapped up and gained promotion from but let it slip.....Roscommon last year was more of a freak result losing it slip and at the time wasnt the all or nothing game the cavan one was.
Real ding-dong battle in the rain that could have gone either way.
Dublin All-Ireland final 1995.
Meath 1996 All-Ireland semi-final.
Any defeat by the inbreds (but that's nothing we're going to have to worry about in the future ;))
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 16, 2018, 04:57:54 PM
Derry - the first Galway sf defeat, 2nd one wasn't great either, Down 94, and Cavan as mentioned
That first Galway defeat for me too, was my first game in Croker, and the last Derry game until this year that my da went to. So it meant no games for me for years.
I think the worst defeats were those after winning the AI. In 04 we had Donegal & Mayo but the Derry one in 06 was particularly irksome. Cork in 09 also
Meath in 96 also, not only the manner of it but the fact that we really thought we had found the key after sweeping Ulster.
Before this era it would of been 96&97 .
All defeats in this era from 2013 on were gut wrenching , no other county will ever understand the pain . I'm a 40 yr old man but have no problem admitting in 2016 I actually broke down and cried coming out of hill16 with the rare Aul times blaring in my ears . Like I say it's impossible to explain the hurt to others ,it's simply unique to Mayo . Like Farr above I know now I'll never see a Mayo man lift Sam Maguire but the memories have been brilliant at the same time .
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 16, 2018, 09:11:38 PM
I think the worst defeats were those after winning the AI.
Complete opposite for me. After Sam arrived it took the edge off.
Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2018, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 16, 2018, 09:11:38 PM
I think the worst defeats were those after winning the AI.
Complete opposite for me. After Sam arrived it took the edge off.
Agreed. I don't know why 97 hurt so bad. Donnelly scoring that goal at the start just made it all the worse.
It should be 96 but for some reason, 97 was the worst for me, I remember sitting on the ground outside the bank of Ireland at the top of Clonliffe Road feeling devastated. I think it took us around 6h to get home with the traffic as well.
2014 and last year are up there too
2005 AISF defeat by Tyrone by a mile, 2003 AIF never ranckled with me as I thought we were brutal and deserved a hammering, but Armagh had some run in 2005 and I always thought that we were at our Zenith then and not in 2002.
Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2018, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 16, 2018, 09:11:38 PM
I think the worst defeats were those after winning the AI.
Complete opposite for me. After Sam arrived it took the edge off.
Yeah, you become a bit more philosophical about defeat after you've won the big one a few times.
'86 vs Kerry, and '95 vs the Dubs tie for the worst with me.
'02 vs Sligo, and '04 vs Mayo are tied runners-up.
3) Armagh in Navan 2002. Think we would probably have lost to Dublin in the semi anyway, but it was the one time in my life when we were potentially capable of challenging for Sam. Matched Armagh blow for blow both days, and indeed O'Hara took plenty of blows off them, luckily for Armagh the black card wasn't around then. Not getting a penalty late on when Sean Davey was fouled was a particularly sore point too.
2 ) Kerry in Tralee 2009. Unlike the other two I don't think this hurt in that it deprived us of any title as we weren't strong enough to go all the way, but to outplay Kerry in their backyard and go down by a single point was a tough one to take. Considering the trouble other Connacht teams have had with them in the championship, to have not only beaten Kerry, but beaten Kerry in Kerry would have been sweet. Had a penalty saved too. Galvin dug it out for them that day, not that it mattered much to how the championship panned out...
1) 2010 Connacht Final. Utterly devastating. Did the hard work in beating Mayo and Galway and then lost to an average Roscommon team, on the one day that Donie Shine proved to be of any use (was brutal in the U21 final that Spring, but if we were counting Minor/U21 defeats here we could write a book on them).
Did David Kelly miss a penalty against Kerry in 2009?
I had followed Armagh all over Ireland from the mid 90s all the way to the Semi Final in 2002 and missed the final. In 2003 I swore I wouldn't miss a game. 2003 Final was a bitter pill to swallow.
2005 SF defeat by Tyrone was just as bad.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2018, 10:50:44 PM
Did David Kelly miss a penalty against Kerry in 2009?
Yeah, hit it straight at Diarmuid Murphy. Would have put us a point up with about a quarter hour to go. We got a point shortly after and neither side scored again til the end.
It has to be the 1995 semi final defeat ' in Clones against Tyrone with the Cavan defeat in 97 Ulster final a not so close second .
Quote from: larryin89 on August 16, 2018, 09:31:45 PM
Before this era it would of been 96&97 .
All defeats in this era from 2013 on were gut wrenching , no other county will ever understand the pain . I'm a 40 yr old man but have no problem admitting in 2016 I actually broke down and cried coming out of hill16 with the rare Aul times blaring in my ears . Like I say it's impossible to explain the hurt to others ,it's simply unique to Mayo . Like Farr above I know now I'll never see a Mayo man lift Sam Maguire but the memories have been brilliant at the same time .
Cop on, it's a bit of fun of a slow Sunday. You sound like you're writing for Willie Joe's bellend blog.
Quote from: Syferus on August 16, 2018, 11:12:39 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 16, 2018, 09:31:45 PM
Before this era it would of been 96&97 .
All defeats in this era from 2013 on were gut wrenching , no other county will ever understand the pain . I'm a 40 yr old man but have no problem admitting in 2016 I actually broke down and cried coming out of hill16 with the rare Aul times blaring in my ears . Like I say it's impossible to explain the hurt to others ,it's simply unique to Mayo . Like Farr above I know now I'll never see a Mayo man lift Sam Maguire but the memories have been brilliant at the same time .
Cop on, it's a bit of fun of a slow Sunday. You sound like you're writing for Willie Joe's bellend blog.
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned "The grudge match of the year", Syferus. Defeat in grudge matches are always tough to stomach.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 16, 2018, 10:49:18 PM
3) Armagh in Navan 2002. Think we would probably have lost to Dublin in the semi anyway, but it was the one time in my life when we were potentially capable of challenging for Sam. Matched Armagh blow for blow both days, and indeed O'Hara took plenty of blows off them, luckily for Armagh the black card wasn't around then. Not getting a penalty late on when Sean Davey was fouled was a particularly sore point too.
2 ) Kerry in Tralee 2009. Unlike the other two I don't think this hurt in that it deprived us of any title as we weren't strong enough to go all the way, but to outplay Kerry in their backyard and go down by a single point was a tough one to take. Considering the trouble other Connacht teams have had with them in the championship, to have not only beaten Kerry, but beaten Kerry in Kerry would have been sweet. Had a penalty saved too. Galvin dug it out for them that day, not that it mattered much to how the championship panned out...
1) 2010 Connacht Final. Utterly devastating. Did the hard work in beating Mayo and Galway and then lost to an average Roscommon team, on the one day that Donie Shine proved to be of any use (was brutal in the U21 final that Spring, but if we were counting Minor/U21 defeats here we could write a book on them).
He played a big part in the U21 semi win against Mayo in 2010 and that Mayo team was full of current seniors and was going for 5 in a row U21 titles. David Kelly marked out of the 2010 Connacht final didn't help Sligo's cause but Alan Costello probably played his finest game for Sligo and along with Sean Davey kicked some outstanding long range points.
95. Taaffe the bastard.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 16, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2018, 10:50:44 PM
Did David Kelly miss a penalty against Kerry in 2009?
Yeah, hit it straight at Diarmuid Murphy. Would have put us a point up with about a quarter hour to go. We got a point shortly after and neither side scored again til the end.
Penalty was in 66th minute, at about 1:28:00 in (apologies for poor enough quality picture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8db5YNwAZrQ
1982 for me...no need to add anymore...
Quote from: bennydorano on August 16, 2018, 10:35:57 PM
2005 AISF defeat by Tyrone by a mile, 2003 AIF never ranckled with me as I thought we were brutal and deserved a hammering, but Armagh had some run in 2005 and I always thought that we were at our Zenith then and not in 2002.
any one of Tyrone, Armagh or Kerry from 2005 could beat this Dublin team imo. Dublin are a great team no doubt but the standard of opposition for them at the moment is extremely poor.
Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
Galway hurlers
1989 loss to Tipperary was sickening because of the ref, Mr Denton, and because Keady was suspended and because Antrim were in the final so it was a guaranteed all Ireland but Tipp's need was obviously greater...
91 v Tipp because it was the end of a great team
2013 losing to Clare after having been in the final the year before. And then the hoors went on to win the All Ireland. That was a real sickener
Footballers would include 1983 in a very bad final vs the Dubs who had 2 less players
2007 and 2011 getting dumped out of the championship by Meath. FFS
And 2012 when we were beaten by Antrim. Hardstation was ecstatic . Every cloud has a silver lining.
Bad, rancorous and all as '89 was, Tipp' largely outhurled us on the day. '90 final was the worst because it was the day we were to reclaim our mantle as the best team in the land, and beat Cork in the final to boot. The sporting Gods disposed otherwise; a crucial 65 not given and Tomas Mulcahy taking Tony Keady on a tour. (RIP Keady, though I never rated him as highly as many would have.) That for me, and not '91, was the logical end of that great team. All subsequent losing finals could have been won with a bit of luck, cuteness, managerial nous etc. We weren't really beaten comprehensively in any of them, save maybe '15 in the end.
Not as many regrets in football. '83 was ugly Seaf, but your other mentioned defeats came when we had rank bad teams, badly prepared and managed. 2003 defeat to Donegal, after a replay, was quite bad. Should have won the first day, when O'Mahony made a massive error in withdrawing the influential Ml. Meehan, and missed all round us in the replay in Castlebar. Tyrone could have been managed in the final. Beat Mayo in Connacht in 2005 with Paul Clancy starring in the unusual position of no. 6. Played Cork in the quarters in Croker, with Meehan running riot in the first half. Clancy, an injury doubt prior to the game, couldn't last at CHB and Cork ran through us repeatedly in the second half.
Worst defeats for me:
Mayo 1989 - who recalls the 'unfinished business' t-shirts?
Derry 1992 - beaten shortly after the league final to same opposition in what was a dreadful performance.
Dublin 1995 - robbed.
Meath 1996 - bullied.
Derry 2001 - first year of back door. First time to be knocked out by a team you had already beaten.
Sligo 2002 - simply awful.
Armagh 2005 (Ulster Final) - robbed again.
Derry 2006 - never even scored in 1st half.
Meath 2007 - for all the talk about revenge for 1996 this was a very lame performance.
Dublin 2010 - an all-ireland got away that year. Think we kicked something like 17 wides that day.
Mayo 2016 - poor shooting cost us a final place.
Dublin 2017 - what more can be said about this defeat.
AISF 05. We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Hurts much more than the 03 final
Mayo 2007. For all the talk of Mayo going down to the hill people forget Dublin were cruising to victory in that game. David Brady changed the game and Sherlock hit the post in injury time as well. Mayo's embarrassing performance in the final didn't help
Dubs probably wouldn't have beat Kerry that year but it definitely set Dublin football back a few years.
1975
As an Armagh fan, plenty to choose from. For me it was actually the 1992 All Ireland Minor Final, as that came at a time when the thought of any All Ireland title just seemed like a pipe dream, and yet here we were with the best Minor side in the country, by a proverbial mile, and leading by two points going into injury time. Devastating.
At Senior level, I would include the 2000 All Ireland semi-final replay (and extra time) loss to Kerry, as again it looked like our dream of a Senior All Ireland had gone forever. However it would be pipped by the Fermanagh disaster in 2004. I would have laughed at anyone, prior to that match, who would have said Fermanagh would beat us. Absolutely everything that could go wrong that day, did go wrong, and we still were only beat by a point. I've said it many times - the day we beat Fermanagh in the 2008 Ulster Final replay - that there was not a supporter from either side present who would not have willingly swapped the 2004 and 2008 results.
I'm 34 so memory is modern enough.
Meath 97 - Knocked out at the first round. Season over.
Armagh 02 - World cup Ray hitting the post in the last minute Free, a lot of abuse thrown from the Armagh gentlemen.
Tyrone 05 - Big occasions, a great Tyrone team, hard to take but no complaints
Mayo 06 - 7 points up, McDonalds genius, you could hear a pin drop walking down the Clonliffe road after the match
Tyrone 08 - one of the worst days of my life supporting the Dubs, embarresed on the pitch, laughed at the country, the pouring rain, word came through the second half, Ronnie Drew died, a dark day supporting the Dubs.
Kerry 09 - embarresed again in Croke park, at this stage your thinking we are so far behind that its going to take another generation
Meath 2010 - What time is it? 5 Past Cluxton, embarrassing stuff, there was nearly a Lynch Mob marching to Vincents to oust Pat Gilroy that day.
This is why I will enjoy the current success as long as it continues.
95. . . In what was a poor year overall for football had we beaten Tyrone we'd have walked the All Ireland! Took our eye off the ball and c'est la vie!
92 in Casement v Doire.
I was (just about) young enough to believe we were invincible.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 17, 2018, 08:36:34 AM
As an Armagh fan, plenty to choose from. For me it was actually the 1992 All Ireland Minor Final, as that came at a time when the thought of any All Ireland title just seemed like a pipe dream, and yet here we were with the best Minor side in the country, by a proverbial mile, and leading by two points going into injury time. Devastating.
At Senior level, I would include the 2000 All Ireland semi-final replay (and extra time) loss to Kerry, as again it looked like our dream of a Senior All Ireland had gone forever. However it would be pipped by the Fermanagh disaster in 2004. I would have laughed at anyone, prior to that match, who would have said Fermanagh would beat us. Absolutely everything that could go wrong that day, did go wrong, and we still were only beat by a point. I've said it many times - the day we beat Fermanagh in the 2008 Ulster Final replay - that there was not a supporter from either side present who would not have willingly swapped the 2004 and 2008 results.
Football - a cruel mistress
Any of the pre 2004 defeats. The death of Cormac Mc Anallen changed my perspective of football. There was so much media coverage of his passing and you could see the devastation wrought into the faces of his family and team-mates. It created an air of tradegdy that no subsequent sporting defeat could replicate.
So having said that, Sligo 02 was the toughest. 95 and 96 always rancoured with the older family members. Big day in Croker ruined by by a defeat to a side that weren't world beaters. Second to that was Meath 07, I hated them from 96 and we saw it as a chance of revenge. We always had an off year following an ai win so nobody cared much about Laois 06 but in 07 everyone believed only Dub or Kerry could beat us. We were playing great stuff in 07 and Gormley was flying. Geraghty and wasn't it Ward were relics of 96/99 teams so there was plenty of reason to hate them. Of course the fcker would have to put a goal past us.
Cork 09 was tough too as we were playing great stuff most of the year but just blew away by Cork in the semi, they blew us away and we made it look respectable by doggedly clinging to them. Remember Harte on the Sunday game that night saying "it's only a game/worse will happen us". I think subconsciously we all knew it was the last zenith of the noughties team and it was regression from here on.
Wasn't too bothered by Dublin's win in 10 and 11. Thought the long suffering fans were due a day in the sun.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 16, 2018, 06:55:04 PM
It's hard to pick one as an antrim fan!
The wexford quarter final was hard to stomach in early 2000s. The ref completely shafted us in the last ten minutes. Possibly kilkenny 91.
Recently there have just been too many you couldn't pick one.
I feel in the late 80's and early 90's, apart from lack of strength in depth, Antrim's biggest drawback was lack of experience in latter stages of competition. Galway, Cork and Tipp were too cute. That team had an AI in them it just wasn't to be. Outscoring Cork but letting in seven goals in 86 still rankles but losing to KK in 91 was the most disappointing as that was the end of that team's era.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 16, 2018, 11:40:44 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 16, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2018, 10:50:44 PM
Did David Kelly miss a penalty against Kerry in 2009?
Yeah, hit it straight at Diarmuid Murphy. Would have put us a point up with about a quarter hour to go. We got a point shortly after and neither side scored again til the end.
Penalty was in 66th minute, at about 1:28:00 in (apologies for poor enough quality picture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8db5YNwAZrQ
Ah, never watched the game back but had always thought there was a lot more of the game played after it.
Surprised that so many Tyrone posters refer to the loss to us in 2002.
Football wise the defeat to Tipp in 2016, naively was convinced Galway would beat them comfortably only to be hammered.
Although Sunday last was a tough one to take as a Monaghan fan I still don't think it ranked with the feeling after the Kerry defeat in the 2007 QF when we had them on the ropes but failed to land the final blow. Also denied a late free in that game as far as I recall and that may have resulted in Kerry breaking forward for Tomás to score the winner late on.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 17, 2018, 12:42:46 PM
Football wise the defeat to Tipp in 2016, naively was convinced Galway would beat them comfortably only to be hammered.
That was a bad one but I dont think anything will beat the thrashing we got from Mayo in 2013, that day knocked us back for years.
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 17, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 17, 2018, 12:42:46 PM
Football wise the defeat to Tipp in 2016, naively was convinced Galway would beat them comfortably only to be hammered.
That was a bad one but I dont think anything will beat the thrashing we got from Mayo in 2013, that day knocked us back for years.
It would be the '83 Final for me (getting old!), terrible result for us in the context of how that game evolved. Cork hammered us in a semi replay in '87 and it wasn't until 95 that we got near Croke Park again with a modest enough team. We got a good trimming below in Castlebar too in a replay in the late '80s after Gay McManus fisted a later equalizer in Tuam.
The 1990 final loss to Cork would be the worst one on the hurling side, would rate it worse than the '81 loss to Offaly.
Hurling:
1982 and 1993 vs Kilkenny. Generous refereeing for both Kilkenny's winning goals. Worse still Kilkenny went on to land the All Ireland.
1995 vs. Klare. Should have been a tap in All Ireland but Offaly's mental block about putting away underdogs was a big factor. If the 'Ghost of Hurling Future' had shown the team the wasteland Offaly hurling was hurtling towards, Klare would have been shown no sympathy that day. Within a couple of years every other county was pissed with Offaly for allowing the Klare genie out of the bottle.
1999 vs. Cork. Epic match, but the sad conclusion was that the better hurlers lost to the faster ones.
Football:
1983 vs Dublin. Having spent 5 years building up to the epic crescendo of winning the 1982 All Ireland, Offaly then let a jammy one pass them by the year after. Kerry were already knocked out by the time Offaly ballsed it up against Dublin,
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 17, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 17, 2018, 12:42:46 PM
Football wise the defeat to Tipp in 2016, naively was convinced Galway would beat them comfortably only to be hammered.
That was a bad one but I dont think anything will beat the thrashing we got from Mayo in 2013, that day knocked us back for years.
Div 1 final and All Ireland semi final this year would it be fair to say that 2013 defeat was a watershed moment for Galway football?
Hard to pick a loss for Cavan, there have been so many!
Two that really hurt at the time were both at U21. 1st losing to Cork after a goal keeper clanger and a great comeback. Last kick of the game into the wind, free taker had been subbed off, subbed him back on to take a very hard free to force extra time and it went wide.
The worst one though was the semi final against Dublin. Lost by a point to possibly the strongest U21 team ever put together with 6/7 of them on the current Dublin panel. Totally fucked by a bollox of a ref from Tipp (who since then has got more and more games), lost by a point. That dublin team went on to destroy a decent Ros team in the final by 20+ points. That was Cavans chance of an All Ireland gone up in smoke.
With the seniors one of the most embarrassing was needing a draw at home to Waterford to get promoted from Div 3 and some how managing to lose such an important game out of sheer arrogance.
From an Armagh perspective, last year against Down was a hard pill to swallow for me. Not registering a score in the second half, my thoughts were, we are at our lowest, were do we go from here.
They have suffered big defeats and narrow defeats, but losing in that manner was bad. I still shudder thinking about it.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 17, 2018, 03:20:16 PM
Hurling:
1982 and 1993 vs Kilkenny. Generous refereeing for both Kilkenny's winning goals. Worse still Kilkenny went on to land the All Ireland.
1995 vs. Klare. Should have been a tap in All Ireland but Offaly's mental block about putting away underdogs was a big factor. If the 'Ghost of Hurling Future' had shown the team the wasteland Offaly hurling was hurtling towards, Klare would have been shown no sympathy that day. Within a couple of years every other county was pissed with Offaly for allowing the Klare genie out of the bottle.
1999 vs. Cork. Epic match, but the sad conclusion was that the better hurlers lost to the faster ones.
Football:
1983 vs Dublin. Having spent 5 years building up to the epic crescendo of winning the 1982 All Ireland, Offaly then let a jammy one pass them by the year after. Kerry were already knocked out by the time Offaly ballsed it up against Dublin,
If you hadn't robbed Limerick in 1994, you would certainly have beaten Clare in 1995. How different the Clare / Ger Loughnane story might have been!
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2018, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 17, 2018, 03:20:16 PM
Hurling:
1982 and 1993 vs Kilkenny. Generous refereeing for both Kilkenny's winning goals. Worse still Kilkenny went on to land the All Ireland.
1995 vs. Klare. Should have been a tap in All Ireland but Offaly's mental block about putting away underdogs was a big factor. If the 'Ghost of Hurling Future' had shown the team the wasteland Offaly hurling was hurtling towards, Klare would have been shown no sympathy that day. Within a couple of years every other county was pissed with Offaly for allowing the Klare genie out of the bottle.
1999 vs. Cork. Epic match, but the sad conclusion was that the better hurlers lost to the faster ones.
Football:
1983 vs Dublin. Having spent 5 years building up to the epic crescendo of winning the 1982 All Ireland, Offaly then let a jammy one pass them by the year after. Kerry were already knocked out by the time Offaly ballsed it up against Dublin,
If you hadn't robbed Limerick in 1994, you would certainly have beaten Clare in 1995. How different the Clare / Ger Loughnane story might have been!
Limerick are lucky Offaly only hurled for 5 minutes in 1994. If they hurled for 70, it would have been a massacre.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 17, 2018, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 17, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 17, 2018, 12:42:46 PM
Football wise the defeat to Tipp in 2016, naively was convinced Galway would beat them comfortably only to be hammered.
That was a bad one but I dont think anything will beat the thrashing we got from Mayo in 2013, that day knocked us back for years.
Div 1 final and All Ireland semi final this year would it be fair to say that 2013 defeat was a watershed moment for Galway football?
It was a bit, I think that was when Galway football hit rock bottom and it was an irredeemable disgrace. To be honest though I wasn't one bit shocked at how bad it went and I felt it was even on the cards a bit before the match. That said, it was not the toughtest defeat to stomach, that was a bad Galway team and they got a clipping from a very good Mayo one.
For me the drawn final of 2000 was the worst as I felt we had really let one go against Kerry, it was a worse feeling than the replay loss looking back on it.
That shot from Savo into the keepers hands when a simple fist-pass to Joyce would have led to at the very least the leading point with little time left, maybe even a potential shot at goal. There's a small part of me that never got over that although mercifully they got the second one in 2001.
1998 v Galway in extra time after Prior shafted Ros the first day in Tuam. The herring chokers went onto win Sam.
2001 quarter final in Castlebar. Everyone in the county knew a schelaking from Galway was coming due to the lose control on the players but the manner of it was galling, especially how we had beaten them in Tuam. Of course, the herring chokers win Sam again.
Neither Ros team lived up to their potential
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 17, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 17, 2018, 12:42:46 PM
Football wise the defeat to Tipp in 2016, naively was convinced Galway would beat them comfortably only to be hammered.
That was a bad one but I dont think anything will beat the thrashing we got from Mayo in 2013, that day knocked us back for years.
Was an awful humiliation at the time but in a way it signalled the end of years of drift and neglect. Things began to slowly improve from that point. Even some of the dismal 1 point defeats to bad teams in previous years didn't have the affect that day did on the Galway football psyche. The players often still mention it to this day. Nothing like being embarrassed by your neighbours on your home patch to finally shake people into doing something.
Sure there was no Galway support there in 13 to witness it anyway.
I'm surprised that this thread isn't in the Derry section of the board, but it's good to see other counties have been there too.
Every defeat for Derry from 1994 to 2001 was a hard one to take, but the two worst were against Tyrone (1996) and Galway (1998), simply because of the abject nature of our performances. We were as arrogant as we were shite. Got what we deserved.
In the other games we were at least a match for the winners, but came up short. A different decision here or there would have seen us home in every one of those games.
But don't look back in anger.
1991 Final against Down and the 2001 Final against Galway.
In both cases we had some unbelievable games enroute to the final including some great performances such as the 01 game against Kerry, the clashes with Westmeath that year and 91 the 4 in a row with the Dubs, stumbling past Wicklow then coming back from the dead against Roscommon in the semi. Unfortunately in both finals it felt like we weren't at our best but at the same time the quality of the opposition even if we were at our best the outcome was still a close call.
01 probably sticks in the craw a bit more because I don't think Galway were 9 points better than us as good as they were. It was also the swansong for a lot of our best players and the beginning of lean times which we are still stuck in.
Quote from: timmyot501 on August 17, 2018, 12:47:48 PM
Although Sunday last was a tough one to take as a Monaghan fan I still don't think it ranked with the feeling after the Kerry defeat in the 2007 QF when we had them on the ropes but failed to land the final blow. Also denied a late free in that game as far as I recall and that may have resulted in Kerry breaking forward for Tomás to score the winner late on.
100%
The 2007 defeat was truly one we left behind
Not just a chance to beat Kerry in Championship football but if we had won that day I truly believe we had the team to go that wee bit further that year
I left Croke Park that day really really down
Last Sunday , maybe because I'm in Sydney and watching it on GAAGO roaring at the TV on my own and as soon as it's over I'm thinking " f**k it's 2:30am need to be up for work in the morning!" I moved on quite quickly and on Monday evening when I looked at the game again I could be a wee bit more clinical and analytical and say we just weren't good enough early on
2007 we were there every step of the way, mentally immense, physically bullying Kerry and had some magnificent displays everywhere, Rory Woods RAN the show, we were on it that day , really really tuned in and firing and then just came up short.
Tough man, really really f**king hard to take.
Anyway Monaghan football is in a good place right now , maybe that and the distance I am away from the hype has meant I am able to see 2007 as a much more sickening blow than 2018
I am surprised the whole of Kerry isn't on here talking about the AISF in 2003 and the AIF in 2005. Dareagh O'Se swinging the boot at it under the stand as the prodigy smacked the bitch up had to be as demoralizing as it came.
1996 Replay. I haven't been right since
I was never too badly upset when we were absolutely tanked, i.e. complete systems failure.
It's the narrow defeats that get you.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2018, 01:18:38 PM
I was never too badly upset when we were absolutely tanked, i.e. complete systems failure.
It's the narrow defeats that get you.
100% Agreed.
I think defeats when it was pure knockout with no second chance were more sickening. If the team is beaten twice there is less chance that it was robbed by fate.
Quote from: seafoid on August 18, 2018, 02:24:40 PM
I think defeats when it was pure knockout with no second chance were more sickening. If the team is beaten twice there is less chance that it was robbed by fate.
+1 There was nothing as gut wrenching as being dumped out in the first round before the end of May.
Offaly beat us in the first round of Leinster in 2000.
Defending All-Ireland champions. :'(
That was some come down, I can tell you.
There's also this sense of the whole Summer ahead of you and now what the fcuk do we do!
Armagh. Athletic grounds. 1993
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2018, 03:27:55 PM
There's also this sense of the whole Summer ahead of you and now what the fcuk do we do!
Go to Mosney. :( :-[
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2018, 01:18:38 PM
I was never too badly upset when we were absolutely tanked, i.e. complete systems failure.
It's the narrow defeats that get you.
Getting tanked in an AI final as per 04 and 06 is pretty shite.
The All Ireland semi final defeat to Limerick in 2007 was a sickener as was the fifth semi defeat since 1998. We had been flying all year winning the league and Munster championship and were favourites but it was the 3rd Sunday in a row that we were playing and a fired up Limerick tore into us and 2 late goals killed us off.
The 2008 final was hard to watch as a brilliant Kilkenny team produced their best ever final performance to win the most one sided final in years. I was living and working in Kilkenny to make it worse. I tried to erase that day from my memory.
National league final v Derry and subsequent championship defeat. Stunted our growth and I believe stopped us winning the all Ireland in that era.
88 Ulster final v Monaghan.
85 National leGue semi final v Monaghan.
2001 quarter final v Derry
2010 v cork.
From my point of view as a Down man, I'd say:
1993 loss to derry in newry in the ulster championship, otherwise known as the massacre in the marshes.
1999 ulster final loss to armagh, enough said.
2010 all ireland final loss to cork, looking back its a match we could have won.
Armagh completely destroying us in the 99 Ulster Final will never leave me. The start of a long and steady decline. The hoors laughing at us on the way out of the ground and all over Clones afterwards hurts to this day. Good job I'm not bitter!! ;D
Quote from: timmyot501 on August 17, 2018, 12:47:48 PM
Although Sunday last was a tough one to take as a Monaghan fan I still don't think it ranked with the feeling after the Kerry defeat in the 2007 QF when we had them on the ropes but failed to land the final blow. Also denied a late free in that game as far as I recall and that may have resulted in Kerry breaking forward for Tomás to score the winner late on.
Same here, the aftermath of that game in 2007 was pure grief. Kerry had to dig deep into the depths of their cute hoorism for that victory. That late foul denied was a high heavy blow from D O'Shea's boot into the face of a Monaghan player, Colm ? who in the next attack missed the last chance of the game, a scorable equaliser.
Dara's loose boot had a dual effect, it assisted the Kerry winning point and at the same time unassisted the last Monaghan effort for the equaliser.
The Monaghan goalie Shane Duffy took a 45 late in that game and missed by inches, wasn't he the first of the goalies at championship level to venture out to attempt a long range conversion? In those days a 45 was long range for Monaghan.
No one in Mayo going to mention 2014?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 20, 2018, 01:32:47 AM
No one in Mayo going to mention 2014?
1996 was worse, waaaaay worse
Quote from: Main Street on August 20, 2018, 12:32:45 AM
The Monaghan goalie Shane Duffy took a 45 late in that game and missed by inches, wasn't he the first of the goalies at championship level to venture out to attempt a long range conversion? In those days a 45 was long range for Monaghan.
You could be right, although I seem to remember an Offaly goalkeeper putting a long range effort wide of the Canal goals in a Leinster Championship match - think it was against Kildare, and I'm guessing it would have been around that time. I've a vague memory that the keeper's surname was Kelly?
Hardly full of memories in this one but the only game I remember coming out of spitting fire was our defeat to Fermanagh in the All Ireland B Final in 199?. Joe Woods, then the worse ref in Ireland, rode us that day.
Other hard defeats were usually in the O'Beirne Cup final..........Dubs in 200? in Parnell Park and Meath this year but these defeats were not due to cnuts of refs.
96. Meant a right bit to us so good man Joe
So many for Antrim...
In football, my late father never got over the 1946 semi-final against Kerry.
In hurling it has to be the 1991 semi-final against Kilkenny. Both semis played as a double header. Antrim were the better team for about 60 mins but in the other 10 mins Eamonn Morrissey scored 2-2 and we lost 2-18 to 1-19.
God be with the days when we could beat Westmeath 5-15 to 1-05 in the quarter final!
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 20, 2018, 08:08:41 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 20, 2018, 12:32:45 AM
The Monaghan goalie Shane Duffy took a 45 late in that game and missed by inches, wasn't he the first of the goalies at championship level to venture out to attempt a long range conversion? In those days a 45 was long range for Monaghan.
You could be right, although I seem to remember an Offaly goalkeeper putting a long range effort wide of the Canal goals in a Leinster Championship match - think it was against Kildare, and I'm guessing it would have been around that time. I've a vague memory that the keeper's surname was Kelly?
Roscommom goalie, Shane curran scored 1-1 from dead balls vs sligo in 2004. He's the first goalie i remember scoring a long range free.
Quote from: AQMP on August 20, 2018, 09:56:32 AM
So many for Antrim...
In football, my late father never got over the 1946 semi-final against Kerry.
In hurling it has to be the 1991 semi-final against Kilkenny. Both semis played as a double header. Antrim were the better team for about 60 mins but in the other 10 mins Eamonn Morrissey scored 2-2 and we lost 2-18 to 1-19.
God be with the days when we could beat Westmeath 5-15 to 1-05 in the quarter final!
Antrim left another semi-final behind them in Dundalk of all places also against KK.
Harry Ryan and big Ger Rogan were cutting lumps out of each other so much so that I think the Antrim management panicked that Ger might get the line and took him off. It was only when he went off that Kilkenny and Ryan had an impact on the scoreboard and pulled away.
Antrim had some team back then.
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 19, 2018, 03:20:35 PM
From my point of view as a Down man, I'd say:
1993 loss to derry in newry in the ulster championship, otherwise known as the massacre in the marshes.
1999 ulster final loss to armagh, enough said.
2010 all ireland final loss to cork, looking back its a match we could have won.
Was at that game in 1993 and Derry ate and shat Down out sideways. Hard to believe they won the AI a year later.
2010 would have been won by Down if it wasn't raining IMO. Cork were physically the bigger team and were able to handle the conditions better. Down had a decent set of forwards back then, if somewhat small.
Quote from: Main Street on August 20, 2018, 12:32:45 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on August 17, 2018, 12:47:48 PM
Although Sunday last was a tough one to take as a Monaghan fan I still don't think it ranked with the feeling after the Kerry defeat in the 2007 QF when we had them on the ropes but failed to land the final blow. Also denied a late free in that game as far as I recall and that may have resulted in Kerry breaking forward for Tomás to score the winner late on.
Same here, the aftermath of that game in 2007 was pure grief. Kerry had to dig deep into the depths of their cute hoorism for that victory. That late foul denied was a high heavy blow from D O'Shea's boot into the face of a Monaghan player, Colm ? who in the next attack missed the last chance of the game, a scorable equaliser.
Dara's loose boot had a dual effect, it assisted the Kerry winning point and at the same time unassisted the last Monaghan effort for the equaliser.
The Monaghan goalie Shane Duffy took a 45 late in that game and missed by inches, wasn't he the first of the goalies at championship level to venture out to attempt a long range conversion? In those days a 45 was long range for Monaghan.
Paul Meegan from inniskeen was fouled and then missed a chance to equalize. Kerry's last 2 points came from frees that we didn't get.