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Title: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: screenexile on June 09, 2018, 12:32:55 AM
Anybody at it?? From comments on twitter and a brief video there looked to be a very nasty fight in the middle of it but supposedly a crazy entertaining game!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: PMG1 on June 09, 2018, 12:34:38 AM
Brilliant game, great value for money, game lasted 2.5 hours which has to be a record.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: trileacman on June 09, 2018, 12:46:40 AM
Harte out.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: OffTheDeck on June 09, 2018, 01:14:12 AM
Horrible row in the middle of the whole thing Iíd expect a lot of sanctions to be handed down. Armagh assistant manager involved which was disgusting. Referee lost the run of the game and the row was not in keeping with the tone of the rest of the match. Absolutely cracking game of football nonetheless. If only Tyrone seniors were as exciting to watch
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 09, 2018, 01:48:55 AM
Horrible row in the middle of the whole thing Iíd expect a lot of sanctions to be handed down. Armagh assistant manager involved which was disgusting. Referee lost the run of the game and the row was not in keeping with the tone of the rest of the match. Absolutely cracking game of football nonetheless. If only Tyrone seniors were as exciting to watch

Didn't see him get involved and he shouldn't do so. Sometimes when our children are getting ' special attention ' we do things we shouldn't. Wrong but understandable.

As others have said the row was not in keeping with the rest of the game and it was a great game. It is a shame that the headlines will be the wrong ones and the bandwagon will be full of hearsayers lambasting 2 counties they see as ' always at it. For the rest of us who paid to watch it - it will take a long time to forget how enjoyable it was.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 09, 2018, 02:11:43 AM
Declan Bogue didn't seem too impressed by the quality of the fisticuffs anyway.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: skeog on June 09, 2018, 02:22:45 AM
Mr Bogue should have been critical of his beloved Fermanagh last week for the dark arts on show.Not the most brightest of journalists.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 09, 2018, 04:43:02 AM
Armagh 2-22 Tyrone 0-24 after extra extra time.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: spuds on June 09, 2018, 06:24:18 AM
Mr Bogue should have been critical of his beloved Fermanagh last week for the dark arts on show.Not the most brightest of journalists.
;)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: redzone on June 09, 2018, 07:03:11 AM
Shocking from the stewards. Their job is to keep supporters and non players outside the fence. Comical looking at them in the videos.
Great game and I'd luv to see Armagh win it now.
Big mcquillan was a coward any  time he played against Tyrone
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 09, 2018, 07:53:31 AM
Wish Kildare would show that kind of fight. Looking at video, mainly handbags.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: keeperlit on June 09, 2018, 07:54:05 AM
Great game. Tyrone will be kicking themselves. Had the game won with 30 seconds left of the first extra time periods and in true Tyrone fashion started dishing out sly digs (seen a head butt as well) in an attempt to force ref to blow it up. Fair play to the ref(who had lost a bit of control) who not only restarted game but also allowed enough time for Armagh to get an equaliser. Forget about black cards, that was the perfect punishment for cyncial play. Good game of football and thought that the goal chances spurned by Armagh were going to come back and haunt them. Delighted to see the character and also had the stomach whenever the melee was started.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: thewobbler on June 09, 2018, 08:42:46 AM
99% of that melee was horseplay.

Blaming the stewards is out of order. Theyíll have been half a dozen local club members, not trained door staff.

Real blame lies in the culture in the GAA where players have historically felt that once 4 men are involved, the only honourable things is for everyone to get stuck in.

In fairness the GAA have taken steps to address that with their ďthird man inĒ policy this year. But by f**k itís goibg need implemented with iron force in every match, to help railroad this culture.

óó

One further idea I would promote here is that the counties (and same in club games) involved are required by sanction to identify the names and addresses of anyone who jumps a fence; with a hefty punishment for not doing so of a four -figure fine and loss of points match.

GAA should then issue civil proceedings against every last person named.

Would be a horrible few years if adjustments and legal issues. But would be worth it in the end.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: stephenite on June 09, 2018, 09:06:38 AM
Wish Kildare would show that kind of fight. Looking at video, mainly handbags.

Link please?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Boycey on June 09, 2018, 09:13:06 AM
Wish Kildare would show that kind of fight. Looking at video, mainly handbags.

Link please?

It's on balls.ie, the woman who's hysterical in the crowd is gas.. Does seem to be mostly harmless but I'm sure there's a few nasty blows in there.

It's not rhe stewards fault  :)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mrdeeds on June 09, 2018, 09:22:13 AM
Was there an issue over red cards and Armagh restarting with 15 in extra time?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Newbridge Exile on June 09, 2018, 09:33:51 AM
 Maybe it was a lot of handbags but a major issue i have is the effect it can have on young children watching in the stands , agree with an earlier comment that the GAA are going to have to  be hard on and consistent in  punishments for "third man in" (plus 4th ,5th etc )
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on June 09, 2018, 10:20:10 AM
Was there an issue over red cards and Armagh restarting with 15 in extra time?

From Damian Harvey on Twitter:

Lots of confusion around the eligibility of players in extra extra time. It appears that both teams resumed phase two with 15 players each. That shouldnít have happened.  Both phases are treated as one game. Not two new games. Replay anyone?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Orior on June 09, 2018, 11:01:20 AM
Was there an issue over red cards and Armagh restarting with 15 in extra time?

From Damian Harvey on Twitter:

Lots of confusion around the eligibility of players in extra extra time. It appears that both teams resumed phase two with 15 players each. That shouldnít have happened.  Both phases are treated as one game. Not two new games. Replay anyone?

No thanks.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jeremiah O on June 09, 2018, 11:17:22 AM
Replay at the Washingbay on Friday night,7.30pm
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 09, 2018, 11:18:13 AM
https://twitter.com/Paul_beIN/status/1005225381979459584/video/1 (https://twitter.com/Paul_beIN/status/1005225381979459584/video/1)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 09, 2018, 11:24:41 AM
Was there an issue over red cards and Armagh restarting with 15 in extra time?

From Damian Harvey on Twitter:

Lots of confusion around the eligibility of players in extra extra time. It appears that both teams resumed phase two with 15 players each. That shouldnít have happened.  Both phases are treated as one game. Not two new games. Replay anyone?

Or take the beating like men?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: snoopdog on June 09, 2018, 11:31:09 AM
Was there an issue over red cards and Armagh restarting with 15 in extra time?

From Damian Harvey on Twitter:

Lots of confusion around the eligibility of players in extra extra time. It appears that both teams resumed phase two with 15 players each. That shouldnít have happened.  Both phases are treated as one game. Not two new games. Replay anyone?

Or take the beating like men?
So no team was at a disadvantage? Why would a replay be required.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: redzone on June 09, 2018, 11:38:56 AM
Was there an issue over red cards and Armagh restarting with 15 in extra time?

From Damian Harvey on Twitter:

Lots of confusion around the eligibility of players in extra extra time. It appears that both teams resumed phase two with 15 players each. That shouldnít have happened.  Both phases are treated as one game. Not two new games. Replay anyone?

Or take the beating like men?
So no team was at a disadvantage? Why would a replay be required.
Clearly said in jest, but u have the usual muppets getting their knickers in a twist. Part of the tweet at the end is missing
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Boycey on June 09, 2018, 11:39:54 AM
https://twitter.com/Paul_beIN/status/1005225381979459584/video/1 (https://twitter.com/Paul_beIN/status/1005225381979459584/video/1)

That Paul_beIN boys profile doesn't strike me as your typical Armagh Fan... :o

Another video going round now taken from pitch level that makes the row look nastier.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: BennyHarp on June 09, 2018, 12:05:46 PM
Was there an issue over red cards and Armagh restarting with 15 in extra time?

From Damian Harvey on Twitter:

Lots of confusion around the eligibility of players in extra extra time. It appears that both teams resumed phase two with 15 players each. That shouldnít have happened.  Both phases are treated as one game. Not two new games. Replay anyone?

Or take the beating like men?
So no team was at a disadvantage? Why would a replay be required.

He was joking ffs.

These scraps happen up and down the country every weekend. I wouldnít be too harsh on any of the lads involved who were caught up in the heat of the action. The management who got involved, however, should be banned from taking underage teams for life in my opinion. Like thewobbler said in his post, the GAA has to be serious about dealing with these incidents, especially those who get involved from the sidelines and in particular from the stands and I agree with his suggestions.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Blowitupref on June 09, 2018, 01:46:54 PM
A pity in a game with 50 scores the main talk about it is some brawl.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 09, 2018, 01:56:53 PM
A pity in a game with 50 scores the main talk about it is some brawl.

See these dcikheads who video rows at games and post them on social media...
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Rossfan on June 09, 2018, 02:12:48 PM
It's all their fault :o
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: trileacman on June 09, 2018, 02:19:03 PM
99% of that was  handbags as wobbler said.

The only unacceptable thing about that brawl was the subs and officials piling in from the stands. Completely ducking needless.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: rrhf on June 09, 2018, 02:45:26 PM
Something needs done about Armagh.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 09, 2018, 03:54:37 PM
It's all their fault :o

They're wee snitches
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 09, 2018, 10:36:16 PM
Something needs done about Armagh.

Split the county in two?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: RedHand88 on June 10, 2018, 07:16:36 AM
Something needs done about Armagh.

Split the county in two?

Ringfence Lurgan and make it a 33rd county.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: ck on June 10, 2018, 08:09:10 AM
I see the "nothing to see here brigade" are out in force!
Yet again Tyrone are stuck in the middle of disgusting behaviour. There's no excuse. Does ANYONE in Tyrone ever accept that they have a problem?
As Colm O'Rourke rightly said, this stuff follows them round like a bad smell.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Over the Bar on June 10, 2018, 11:52:38 AM
I see the "nothing to see here brigade" are out in force!
Yet again Tyrone are stuck in the middle of disgusting behaviour. There's no excuse. Does ANYONE in Tyrone ever accept that they have a problem?
As Colm O'Rourke rightly said, this stuff follows them round like a bad smell.

Whereas Armagh starting a melee when losing the game at the Athletic Grounds has never been heard of before I suppose?  :o
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 10, 2018, 12:02:28 PM
I see the "nothing to see here brigade" are out in force!
Yet again Tyrone are stuck in the middle of disgusting behaviour. There's no excuse. Does ANYONE in Tyrone ever accept that they have a problem?
As Colm O'Rourke rightly said, this stuff follows them round like a bad smell.

Whereas Armagh starting a melee when losing the game at the Athletic Grounds has never been heard of before I suppose?  :o

When was the last time it happened?
For clarity I donít believe the poster who said this follows Tyrone around. It happens in all countoes
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: winghalfun on June 10, 2018, 12:03:30 PM
CK haven't posted on here in a while but your biased, ill-informed attack on Tyrone really infuriates me. I was at the match and believe me your one sided damnation of an incident you did not even see is mind boggling. The young Campbell lad for Tryone who was the catalyst for the unsavoury behaviour had been harassed by several Armagh players prior to the incident. He had his jersey pulled over his head, was being pulled and hauled down regularly and finally the Armagh number 7 drove into his back as he was going back into position from a kick out. If you have ever played football you will know that in most occasions players will not lie down and take abuse and will generally let their opponent 'know that they are there'. The young Campbell lad then just did what was done to him with a robust shoulder to his assailant in reply. No punches, no kicking no danger.

The reaction of Armagh players, their mentors and subs was not only disproportionate but vicious in the degree of its intent.

Obviously in situations like this there does reach a point of no return and a very serious and nasty fight broke out but I would like to make it very clear to you that all blame lies squarly with Armagh and their thuggish response to what was a fairly innocuous challenge which if happened 15 minutes into the match would have at worst received a stern lecture from the referee never mind a red card.

So CK wise up and stop posting shite on matters you know f**k all about.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 10, 2018, 12:15:24 PM
CK haven't posted on here in a while but your biased, ill-informed attack on Tyrone really infuriates me. I was at the match and believe me your one sided damnation of an incident you did not even see is mind boggling. The young Campbell lad for Tryone who was the catalyst for the unsavoury behaviour had been harassed by several Armagh players prior to the incident. He had his jersey pulled over his head, was being pulled and hauled down regularly and finally the Armagh number 7 drove into his back as he was going back into position from a kick out. If you have ever played football you will know that in most occasions players will not lie down and take abuse and will generally let their opponent 'know that they are there'. The young Campbell lad then just did what was done to him with a robust shoulder to his assailant in reply. No punches, no kicking no danger.

The reaction of Armagh players, their mentors and subs was not only disproportionate but vicious in the degree of its intent.

Obviously in situations like this there does reach a point of no return and a very serious and nasty fight broke out but I would like to make it very clear to you that all blame lies squarly with Armagh and their thuggish response to what was a fairly innocuous challenge which if happened 15 minutes into the match would have at worst received a stern lecture from the referee never mind a red card.

So CK wise up and stop posting shite on matters you know f**k all about.

I take it you were at the game?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: winghalfun on June 10, 2018, 01:14:05 PM
Yes I was Tonto.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 10, 2018, 01:40:08 PM
Yes I was Tonto.

I was gonna go myself but didnít in the end. Raging. Seemingly was a fantastic game. A shame the row will take away from that
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 10, 2018, 01:46:45 PM
CK haven't posted on here in a while but your biased, ill-informed attack on Tyrone really infuriates me. I was at the match and believe me your one sided damnation of an incident you did not even see is mind boggling. The young Campbell lad for Tryone who was the catalyst for the unsavoury behaviour had been harassed by several Armagh players prior to the incident. He had his jersey pulled over his head, was being pulled and hauled down regularly and finally the Armagh number 7 drove into his back as he was going back into position from a kick out. If you have ever played football you will know that in most occasions players will not lie down and take abuse and will generally let their opponent 'know that they are there'. The young Campbell lad then just did what was done to him with a robust shoulder to his assailant in reply. No punches, no kicking no danger.

The reaction of Armagh players, their mentors and subs was not only disproportionate but vicious in the degree of its intent.

Obviously in situations like this there does reach a point of no return and a very serious and nasty fight broke out but I would like to make it very clear to you that all blame lies squarly with Armagh and their thuggish response to what was a fairly innocuous challenge which if happened 15 minutes into the match would have at worst received a stern lecture from the referee never mind a red card.

So CK wise up and stop posting shite on matters you know f**k all about.

I assume the treatment young McQuillan from Armagh was getting from Tyrone was ok then ?

Both teams contributed to the melee and as is always the case with these things both teams can share the blame.

As for the match for a large part I felt Tyrone s teamwork was going to beat an Armagh team more dependent on individuals. Tyrone kick out strategy was great and I feel if Armagh had the same possession from kick outs they would have won in normal time.

Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: nrico2006 on June 10, 2018, 01:49:08 PM
Is Darragh Canavan on the Tyrone panel?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: keeperlit on June 10, 2018, 09:15:25 PM


I assume the treatment young McQuillan from Armagh was getting from Tyrone was ok then ?

Both teams contributed to the melee and as is always the case with these things both teams can share the blame.

As for the match for a large part I felt Tyrone s teamwork was going to beat an Armagh team more dependent on individuals. Tyrone kick out strategy was great and I feel if Armagh had the same possession from kick outs they would have won in normal time.
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Nail on the head regarding this.

This poor young Campbell lad - is that the same lad that was throwing head butts over at the shed side about 2 minutes prior.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: under the bar on June 10, 2018, 10:57:33 PM
I see the "nothing to see here brigade" are out in force!
Yet again Tyrone are stuck in the middle of disgusting behaviour. There's no excuse. Does ANYONE in Tyrone ever accept that they have a problem?
As Colm O'Rourke rightly said, this stuff follows them round like a bad smell.

I'd say the only thing Colm was smelling was how shit Meath and Armagh have been for the past decade....
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 11, 2018, 09:10:02 AM
I see the "nothing to see here brigade" are out in force!
Yet again Tyrone are stuck in the middle of disgusting behaviour. There's no excuse. Does ANYONE in Tyrone ever accept that they have a problem?
As Colm O'Rourke rightly said, this stuff follows them round like a bad smell.

I'd say the only thing Colm was smelling was how shit Meath and Armagh have been for the past decade....

ooh that hurt.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 11, 2018, 09:54:14 AM
Armagh officials attacking players - Armagh subs bench clearing onto the pitch to gang attacked Tyrones active players was absolutely disgusting sc**bag behaviour.

When an Armagh manager attacks and ends the game for an important Tyrone player and then they go on to win the game - its a hollow victory really!

Good Luck to Derry in the final.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Tyrdub on June 11, 2018, 10:01:38 AM
Firstly I wasn't at the match, I spoke to the missus' uncle who is a lifelong "never miss a match Tyronie", even he said Tyrone were at fault for the row, said they need to take a look at themselves.
but he did also say they should have won the match twice over
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Under Lights on June 11, 2018, 10:06:29 AM
Armagh officials attacking players - Armagh subs bench clearing onto the pitch to gang attacked Tyrones active players was absolutely disgusting sc**bag behaviour.

When an Armagh manager attacks and ends the game for an important Tyrone player and then they go on to win the game - its a hollow victory really!

Good Luck to Derry in the final.

"THE MANAGER, THEY ARE HITTING THE MANAGER"
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jinxy on June 11, 2018, 10:14:14 AM
Ban everyone.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 11, 2018, 10:29:22 AM
Armagh officials attacking players - Armagh subs bench clearing onto the pitch to gang attacked Tyrones active players was absolutely disgusting sc**bag behaviour.

When an Armagh manager attacks and ends the game for an important Tyrone player and then they go on to win the game - its a hollow victory really!

Good Luck to Derry in the final.

"THE MANAGER, THEY ARE HITTING THE MANAGER"

What was the manager doing on the pitch?

Most of these rows can be sorted fairly easily if everyone lived by the unwritten rule - anyone not playing stay off the pitch and let the players and ref sort it out. Once non players break the white line like Armagh did - its always chaos.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 11, 2018, 10:37:44 AM
Was there an issue over red cards and Armagh restarting with 15 in extra time?

From Damian Harvey on Twitter:

Lots of confusion around the eligibility of players in extra extra time. It appears that both teams resumed phase two with 15 players each. That shouldnít have happened.  Both phases are treated as one game. Not two new games. Replay anyone?

Or take the beating like men?
So no team was at a disadvantage? Why would a replay be required.

Armagh had 3 players sent off and tyrone 2?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: naka on June 11, 2018, 11:33:48 AM
Armagh officials attacking players - Armagh subs bench clearing onto the pitch to gang attacked Tyrones active players was absolutely disgusting sc**bag behaviour.

When an Armagh manager attacks and ends the game for an important Tyrone player and then they go on to win the game - its a hollow victory really!

Good Luck to Derry in the final.

loving it
Armagh beating tyrone  and tyrone bleating all good.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: The Bearded One on June 11, 2018, 11:52:59 AM
Naka, I don't think there is much room for gloating about a mentor hitting a 19 year old player?

Tyrone players certainly didn't cover themselves in glory before the game ended and played their part in inciting the fight with time wasting and general sh*tty behaviour to slow the game down...it came back to bite them.

Armagh deservedly won the game, however the actions of Martin McQuillan and indeed the emptying of the Armagh bench in waves cannot be laughed off as sour grapes.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Orior on June 11, 2018, 01:41:03 PM
Naka, I don't think there is much room for gloating about a mentor hitting a 19 year old player?

Tyrone players certainly didn't cover themselves in glory before the game ended and played their part in inciting the fight with time wasting and general sh*tty behaviour to slow the game down...it came back to bite them.

Armagh deservedly won the game, however the actions of Martin McQuillan and indeed the emptying of the Armagh bench in waves cannot be laughed off as sour grapes.

I agree. Irrespective of what Tyrone did or didnt do, the actions of the Armagh bench and mentors was shameful. As much as I want Armagh to win, I would not argue against whatever ruling the Ulster Council see fit.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: yellowcard on June 11, 2018, 01:59:25 PM
Naka, I don't think there is much room for gloating about a mentor hitting a 19 year old player?

Tyrone players certainly didn't cover themselves in glory before the game ended and played their part in inciting the fight with time wasting and general sh*tty behaviour to slow the game down...it came back to bite them.

Armagh deservedly won the game, however the actions of Martin McQuillan and indeed the emptying of the Armagh bench in waves cannot be laughed off as sour grapes.

I agree. Irrespective of what Tyrone did or didnt do, the actions of the Armagh bench and mentors was shameful. As much as I want Armagh to win, I would not argue against whatever ruling the Ulster Council see fit.

In fairness to the subs, they are all young lads and will take their lead from the management and most of it was just bravado pushing and shoving. That said it's never good to see subs running onto the pitch. The biggest regret was a member of the Armagh management team getting involved with 18-20 year old players, he should have known better and I'm sure it's something he regrets in hindsight. 
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: The Bearded One on June 11, 2018, 02:18:43 PM
Naka, I don't think there is much room for gloating about a mentor hitting a 19 year old player?

Tyrone players certainly didn't cover themselves in glory before the game ended and played their part in inciting the fight with time wasting and general sh*tty behaviour to slow the game down...it came back to bite them.

Armagh deservedly won the game, however the actions of Martin McQuillan and indeed the emptying of the Armagh bench in waves cannot be laughed off as sour grapes.

I agree. Irrespective of what Tyrone did or didnt do, the actions of the Armagh bench and mentors was shameful. As much as I want Armagh to win, I would not argue against whatever ruling the Ulster Council see fit.

In fairness to the subs, they are all young lads and will take their lead from the management and most of it was just bravado pushing and shoving. That said it's never good to see subs running onto the pitch. The biggest regret was a member of the Armagh management team getting involved with 18-20 year old players, he should have known better and I'm sure it's something he regrets in hindsight.

It is nice to discuss this sensibly without the finger pointing. The whole incident was not in keeping with what had been a very hard and fair game up to then. Some Tyrone players started time wasting/acting the b*llocks and the Armagh players were p*ssed off at this; the game looked like it was up and I suppose the anger manifested itself then. Neither team backed off and it became a mess.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: screenexile on June 11, 2018, 02:26:19 PM
99% of that melee was horseplay.

Blaming the stewards is out of order. Theyíll have been half a dozen local club members, not trained door staff.

Real blame lies in the culture in the GAA where players have historically felt that once 4 men are involved, the only honourable things is for everyone to get stuck in.

In fairness the GAA have taken steps to address that with their ďthird man inĒ policy this year. But by f**k itís goibg need implemented with iron force in every match, to help railroad this culture.

óó

One further idea I would promote here is that the counties (and same in club games) involved are required by sanction to identify the names and addresses of anyone who jumps a fence; with a hefty punishment for not doing so of a four -figure fine and loss of points match.

GAA should then issue civil proceedings against every last person named.

Would be a horrible few years if adjustments and legal issues. But would be worth it in the end.

What percentage does a young lad getting a concussion account for in the melee??!!

What nonsense! This shit needs stamped out and while the instances of this kind of thing are diminishing unfortunately the smartphone era is thrusting these incidents way more into the public eye than they would have been previously which is a good thing because we need to see what happens so that we can stop it!

Hopefully both teams get the appropriate punishment for their behaviour!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: naka on June 13, 2018, 09:37:23 AM
Tyrone have lodged an appeal regarding both being allowed to play 15  during second half of extra time
As the rules donít allow it
But ffs if that is the rule they were hardly disadvantaged
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jinxy on June 13, 2018, 09:38:31 AM
Why always Tyrone?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: bigtogs on June 13, 2018, 09:46:54 AM
Appeal lodged I remember the Gaa when you where beat you where beat and you got suspended if needed and you accepted all like a man... I would love to have seen us win last Friday night we where beat fair and square and if no 23 had not spend the few seconds before the row goating(another thing we seemed to invent) Armaghís no 7 the row may not have happens... where the hell is our game going too...
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 13, 2018, 09:48:15 AM
I wouldn't have been in favour of an appeal but i know one thing for sure - I'm going to the replay!  ;D
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: omagh_gael on June 13, 2018, 09:59:54 AM
Tyrone have lodged an appeal regarding both being allowed to play 15  during second half of extra time
As the rules donít allow it
But ffs if that is the rule they were hardly disadvantaged

Don't agree with the appeal but can understand it after putting in the effort all year. I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.

Reason Armagh are in the wrong, as I understand, was they had a man sent off during the first period of extra time and went back to 15 for the extra, extra time. I believe they weren't entitled to do this. You can go back to full 15 after the main match finished but not subsequent periods of extra time.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: illdecide on June 13, 2018, 10:18:34 AM
Tyrone have lodged an appeal regarding both being allowed to play 15  during second half of extra time
As the rules donít allow it
But ffs if that is the rule they were hardly disadvantaged

Don't agree with the appeal but can understand it after putting in the effort all year. I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.

Reason Armagh are in the wrong, as I understand, was they had a man sent off during the first period of extra time and went back to 15 for the extra, extra time. I believe they weren't entitled to do this. You can go back to full 15 after the main match finished but not subsequent periods of extra time.

You are of course correct in that but Tyrone done the exact same thing as Armagh...Sporting integrity?

Where does it all end? I know there is rules and obviously Armagh and Tyrone did not know them, if one or the other broke them then that's fair enough but both teams done it so what's Tyrone's gripe?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 13, 2018, 10:19:40 AM
I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.
The video of the footage that I saw also showed the Tyrone management heavily involved so I'd have thought it's not a factor in pushing for an appeal.  That's an irrelevance.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: The Bearded One on June 13, 2018, 10:24:01 AM
I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.
The video of the footage that I saw also showed the Tyrone management heavily involved so I'd have thought it's not a factor in pushing for an appeal.  That's an irrelevance.

By heavily involved do you mean hitting a 19 year old and hospitalising him or heavily involved trying to pull men apart/off each other?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: DuffleKing on June 13, 2018, 10:24:47 AM
Tyrone have lodged an appeal regarding both being allowed to play 15  during second half of extra time
As the rules donít allow it
But ffs if that is the rule they were hardly disadvantaged

Have they seriously?

All joking aside, I am really surprised that there isn't a bit more cop on and self awareness in Tyrone than this. I could absolutely see grounds for bringing an appeal if the team were disadvantaged in some way but this is real stretch - one that reflects badly on those behind it.

Are Tyrone saying that Armagh's replacements were better than theirs therefore it wasn't fair?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Keyser soze on June 13, 2018, 10:25:07 AM
Tyrone have lodged an appeal regarding both being allowed to play 15  during second half of extra time
As the rules donít allow it
But ffs if that is the rule they were hardly disadvantaged

Don't agree with the appeal but can understand it after putting in the effort all year. I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.

Reason Armagh are in the wrong, as I understand, was they had a man sent off during the first period of extra time and went back to 15 for the extra, extra time. I believe they weren't entitled to do this. You can go back to full 15 after the main match finished but not subsequent periods of extra time.

You are correct in your belief. Both teams were reduced to 13 men and both went back to 15 for extra extra time so it wasn't just Armagh that did this. Tyrone should take their beatin here.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 13, 2018, 10:35:25 AM
Take the beating. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jinxy on June 13, 2018, 10:38:51 AM
Every high-profile controversial incident in the GAA since 1995, has either directly or indirectly involved Tyrone.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 13, 2018, 10:51:06 AM
I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.
The video of the footage that I saw also showed the Tyrone management heavily involved so I'd have thought it's not a factor in pushing for an appeal.  That's an irrelevance.

By heavily involved do you mean hitting a 19 year old and hospitalising him or heavily involved trying to pull men apart/off each other?
This 19 year old thing only goes so far.  The Armagh manager was in hospital on Saturday with concussion also.  The Tyrone lad was the aggressor.  We're not dealing with children here.
That said, nobody will be more embarrassed and disappointed in himself than Martin.  He served his club, county and province (when it counted for something) with distinction and had an unblemished disciplinary record.  The red mist descended when he was attacked.  He hit back when he shouldn't have.  He'll take his punishment and move on.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tyrone86 on June 13, 2018, 10:59:05 AM
I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.
The video of the footage that I saw also showed the Tyrone management heavily involved so I'd have thought it's not a factor in pushing for an appeal.  That's an irrelevance.

By heavily involved do you mean hitting a 19 year old and hospitalising him or heavily involved trying to pull men apart/off each other?
This 19 year old thing only goes so far.  The Armagh manager was in hospital on Saturday with concussion also. The Tyrone lad was the aggressor.  We're not dealing with children here.
That said, nobody will be more embarrassed and disappointed in himself than Martin.  He served his club, county and province (when it counted for something) with distinction and had an unblemished disciplinary record.  The red mist descended when he was attacked.  He hit back when he shouldn't have.  He'll take his punishment and move on.

Utter f**king bullshit
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: omagh_gael on June 13, 2018, 10:59:36 AM
I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.
The video of the footage that I saw also showed the Tyrone management heavily involved so I'd have thought it's not a factor in pushing for an appeal.  That's an irrelevance.

The video is inconclusive but a member of the Armagh management team was sent off, too. It is widely reported that this was due to striking a Tyrone player.

Illdecide, tbh I don't know what the appeal (if there even is one) is about as you say both teams went back to 15. I still would prefer it if we bit the lip and moved on. Easy to say that from the outside though.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: The Bearded One on June 13, 2018, 11:00:00 AM
Mackers you are absolutely incorrect to say he was attacked, that is bullsh*t. McQuillan ran straight to the initial trouble and hit the Tyrone player. He wasn't attacked.

That said, I don't agree with an appeal.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: armaghniac on June 13, 2018, 11:07:39 AM
Tyrone have lodged an appeal regarding both being allowed to play 15  during second half of extra time
As the rules donít allow it
But ffs if that is the rule they were hardly disadvantaged

Don't agree with the appeal but can understand it after putting in the effort all year. I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.

Reason Armagh are in the wrong, as I understand, was they had a man sent off during the first period of extra time and went back to 15 for the extra, extra time. I believe they weren't entitled to do this. You can go back to full 15 after the main match finished but not subsequent periods of extra time.

DO you not have to inform the officials when you put someone on? Were they too unclear on the rule?
In the normal case, you state that you are taking off no 10 and putting on no 20, and then you do not take off 10 when 20 comes on, so this is clearly fraudulent.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: passedit on June 13, 2018, 11:13:25 AM
Appeal lodged I remember the Gaa when you where beat you where beat and you got suspended if needed and you accepted all like a man... I would love to have seen us win last Friday night we where beat fair and square and if no 23 had not spend the few seconds before the row goating(another thing we seemed to invent) Armaghís no 7 the row may not have happens... where the hell is our game going too...

False memory syndrome, the 'objection' is as old as the association. Two words Frank Murphy.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 13, 2018, 11:22:15 AM
I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.
The video of the footage that I saw also showed the Tyrone management heavily involved so I'd have thought it's not a factor in pushing for an appeal.  That's an irrelevance.

By heavily involved do you mean hitting a 19 year old and hospitalising him or heavily involved trying to pull men apart/off each other?
This 19 year old thing only goes so far.  The Armagh manager was in hospital on Saturday with concussion also. The Tyrone lad was the aggressor.  We're not dealing with children here.
That said, nobody will be more embarrassed and disappointed in himself than Martin.  He served his club, county and province (when it counted for something) with distinction and had an unblemished disciplinary record.  The red mist descended when he was attacked.  He hit back when he shouldn't have.  He'll take his punishment and move on.

Utter f**king bullshit

Have you absolute proof he is talking crap. There is more than a fair chance Mackers knows McQuillan. How do you know he did not suffer concussion? You may disagree with who was the aggressor and that would be fair enough.

By the way all this talk of hitting a 19/20 year old. McQuillan is in his 50s. I would suggest the younger man has the advantage there. To clarify I am not saying who was right or wrong as like the majority I do not know !
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Rossfan on June 13, 2018, 11:23:43 AM
Up to the 1920s or maybe later the first thing you did after losing a game was to put on an objection.
Many a one failed because it wasn't on Irish water marked paper  ;D
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 13, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
I'd imagine the antics of some of the Armagh management team may have influenced the decision to push ahead with appeal.
The video of the footage that I saw also showed the Tyrone management heavily involved so I'd have thought it's not a factor in pushing for an appeal.  That's an irrelevance.

By heavily involved do you mean hitting a 19 year old and hospitalising him or heavily involved trying to pull men apart/off each other?
This 19 year old thing only goes so far.  The Armagh manager was in hospital on Saturday with concussion also. The Tyrone lad was the aggressor.  We're not dealing with children here.
That said, nobody will be more embarrassed and disappointed in himself than Martin.  He served his club, county and province (when it counted for something) with distinction and had an unblemished disciplinary record.  The red mist descended when he was attacked.  He hit back when he shouldn't have.  He'll take his punishment and move on.

Utter f**king bullshit

Have you absolute proof he is talking crap. There is more than a fair chance Mackers knows McQuillan. How do you know he did not suffer concussion? You may disagree with who was the aggressor and that would be fair enough.

By the way all this talk of hitting a 19/20 year old. McQuillan is in his 50s. I would suggest the younger man has the advantage there. To clarify I am not saying who was right or wrong as like the majority I do not know !
I think the biggest issue is that McQuillian had no place on the field in the first place, let alone getting involved in a row. The same can be said for the subs from both teams.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: screenexile on June 13, 2018, 11:33:48 AM
But... but... I thought it was only handbags according to some folk on here??!! 2 Concussions now?

Tyrone have some neck on them appealing the result and they wonder why nobody likes them??!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Whishtup on June 13, 2018, 11:45:19 AM
Every high-profile controversial incident in the GAA since 1995, has either directly or indirectly involved Tyrone.

The world would be a very dull place without us, that's for sure.

  Conflict/rebellion/deceipt/compassion/humour has been part of the psyche for hundreds of years.  Sure didn't Hugh O'Neill himself bawl his lamps out in front of the Queen, begging for redemption and then go on to spend her money on lead shot (that was supposed to be for the roof of his new house in Dungannon) to attack her forces.  There's no doubt about it, to outsiders we are generally a County of mad bastids who thrive on controversy.

Never a dull moment.

Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 13, 2018, 11:46:41 AM
immediately following the row, both teams had 2 players sent off. Armagh also had a management member sent off. Play then resumed, Following the next whistle to end the period another Armagh player was sent off after the whistle. This would suggest they should have had a player less on the field than tyrone when they resumed. I'm assuming tyrones appeal is based on this.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: bigtogs on June 13, 2018, 11:49:06 AM
Appeal lodged I remember the Gaa when you where beat you where beat and you got suspended if needed and you accepted all like a man... I would love to have seen us win last Friday night we where beat fair and square and if no 23 had not spend the few seconds before the row goating(another thing we seemed to invent) Armaghís no 7 the row may not have happens... where the hell is our game going too...

False memory syndrome, the 'objection' is as old as the association. Two words Frank Murphy.


None the less we where beat fair an square take it on the chin...
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 13, 2018, 11:53:18 AM
Although I did not see the incident involving Martin myself I was told by someone who did that the Tyrone keeper threw a ball at him and his bib was pulled over his head and Martin reacted.  You may say that it's hearsay but I'd take the man's version of events over two Tyrone hillbillies that use abusive language to get their point across!!
On the subject of why he was on the field, he had watched his son take dog's abuse from Tyrone players for the whole of the match and I'd guess he went on to protect him/take him out of the melee.  Something that I'd say the rest of us would have done under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Fuzzman on June 13, 2018, 12:06:33 PM
Every high-profile controversial incident in the GAA since 1995, has either directly or indirectly involved Tyrone...
and never involves Meath any more cos we usually only get two games a season now and are never in any worth while game worth fighting for.




Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jinxy on June 13, 2018, 12:10:38 PM
Even your dogs lie down looking for handy frees.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: The Bearded One on June 13, 2018, 12:13:03 PM
Although I did not see the incident involving Martin myself I was told by someone who did that the Tyrone keeper threw a ball at him and his bib was pulled over his head and Martin reacted.  You may say that it's hearsay but I'd take the man's version of events over two Tyrone hillbillies that use abusive language to get their point across!!
On the subject of why he was on the field, he had watched his son take dog's abuse from Tyrone players for the whole of the match and I'd guess he went on to protect him/take him out of the melee.  Something that I'd say the rest of us would have done under the circumstances.

Part true, the keeper did throw the ball at Martin McQuillan but it was after he had hit the player, this was in reaction to him striking Tom Loughran...the video doesn't show the initial stages of the fighting. At the stage McQuillan joined the trouble he was the first mentor involved and it certainly wasn't a peace keeping exercise. There is a pretty clear picture to show him in action in the Tyrone Herald actually.

I can only assume you weren't at the game Mackers if you think Ross McQuillan, or indeed any player from either team, received 'dogs abuse' for the whole game. There wasn't a dirty blow before the incident, it was a hard and fair game.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Fuzzman on June 13, 2018, 12:17:24 PM
I've not read this story so far and am only catching up on it now but I have to laugh at this GAA thinking that if you were beaten and you deserved to be beaten even if there was a clear instance of a rule broken.

I can think back to the AI final of 1995 when Charlie Redmond got sent off and didn't go off for a number of minutes.
Can you imagine this year if Kerry are playing Mayo in the AI final and Kieran Donaghy gets a 2nd yellow but the ref doesn't notice and he plays on and sets up a goal and Dublin lose by a point.

Do you think there would be a replay?
If Mayo played badly and were well beaten by 5 points would your attitude be different?


Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: DuffleKing on June 13, 2018, 12:42:03 PM

The row stuff - which will yet accrue suspensions I would imagine - is irrelevant to Tyrone embarrassing themselves with this appeal.

Bad loser much?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 13, 2018, 12:42:32 PM
There is a pretty clear picture to show him in action in the Tyrone Herald actually.
That's it then.  Case closed.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: keeperlit on June 13, 2018, 12:44:11 PM
immediately following the row, both teams had 2 players sent off. Armagh also had a management member sent off. Play then resumed, Following the next whistle to end the period another Armagh player was sent off after the whistle. This would suggest they should have had a player less on the field than tyrone when they resumed. I'm assuming tyrones appeal is based on this.

No- because one of the two armagh players that was sent off immediately following the row had already been substituted in normal time iirc.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 13, 2018, 01:12:30 PM
Anybody know the exact basis of the appeal? As in actual facts.

The issues of punishing the teams/ county boards and individuals appears to be entirely separate to this appeal. Is there any update on those punishments?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: JoG2 on June 13, 2018, 01:20:13 PM
Anybody know the exact basis of the appeal? As in actual facts.

The issues of punishing the teams/ county boards and individuals appears to be entirely separate to this appeal. Is there any update on those punishments?

Tyrone are appealing on a technicality. Extra extra time is down as a continuation of extra time and not 'a new game' as per the rules. Even though both teams would have been happy enough to go back from 13 each to 15 (both obviously didn't know the rule or were happy enough to say nothing), Tyrone want the result scrapped on this technicality
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: bigtogs on June 13, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
Anybody know the exact basis of the appeal? As in actual facts.

The issues of punishing the teams/ county boards and individuals appears to be entirely separate to this appeal. Is there any update on those punishments?

Tyrone are appealing on a technicality. Extra extra time is down as a continuation of extra time and not 'a new game' as per the rules. Even though both teams would have been happy enough to go back from 13 each to 15 (both obviously didn't know the rule or were happy enough to say nothing), Tyrone want the result scrapped on this technicality
y


I heard today Ulster council owner custard Donnelly advised Tyrone on the ruling and his advise was wrong!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: JoG2 on June 13, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
Anybody know the exact basis of the appeal? As in actual facts.

The issues of punishing the teams/ county boards and individuals appears to be entirely separate to this appeal. Is there any update on those punishments?

Tyrone are appealing on a technicality. Extra extra time is down as a continuation of extra time and not 'a new game' as per the rules. Even though both teams would have been happy enough to go back from 13 each to 15 (both obviously didn't know the rule or were happy enough to say nothing), Tyrone want the result scrapped on this technicality
y


I heard today Ulster council owner custard Donnelly advised Tyrone on the ruling and his advise was wrong!!

Going on what was reported in the IN today 'togs
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: bigtogs on June 13, 2018, 01:30:54 PM
Anybody know the exact basis of the appeal? As in actual facts.

The issues of punishing the teams/ county boards and individuals appears to be entirely separate to this appeal. Is there any update on those punishments?

Tyrone are appealing on a technicality. Extra extra time is down as a continuation of extra time and not 'a new game' as per the rules. Even though both teams would have been happy enough to go back from 13 each to 15 (both obviously didn't know the rule or were happy enough to say nothing), Tyrone want the result scrapped on this technicality
y


I heard today Ulster council owner custard Donnelly advised Tyrone on the ruling and his advise was wrong!!

Going on what was reported in the IN today 'togs

Never seen IN today but the man that told me must be going by that!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 13, 2018, 01:33:31 PM
Anybody know the exact basis of the appeal? As in actual facts.

The issues of punishing the teams/ county boards and individuals appears to be entirely separate to this appeal. Is there any update on those punishments?

Tyrone are appealing on a technicality. Extra extra time is down as a continuation of extra time and not 'a new game' as per the rules. Even though both teams would have been happy enough to go back from 13 each to 15 (both obviously didn't know the rule or were happy enough to say nothing), Tyrone want the result scrapped on this technicality

I wasn't at the game but was there not a delay before the start of extra extra time to get some clarity on that very point? Presumably Tyrone made their objections clear at that stage and played the extra extra time under protest??

I presume Tyrone accept that they have in no way been disadvantaged by the ref's ruling on the day?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 13, 2018, 01:48:52 PM
Fairness dictates a replay.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 13, 2018, 01:52:45 PM
Fairness dictates a replay.
Of course you would not be saying this if the roles were reversed.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: The Bearded One on June 13, 2018, 02:01:27 PM
At the end of extra time Armagh had a third player sent off (after the row and the equalising score). They commenced extra extra time with 15 players when they should have had 12 and Tyrone 13.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 13, 2018, 02:01:36 PM
Anybody know the exact basis of the appeal? As in actual facts.

The issues of punishing the teams/ county boards and individuals appears to be entirely separate to this appeal. Is there any update on those punishments?

Tyrone are appealing on a technicality. Extra extra time is down as a continuation of extra time and not 'a new game' as per the rules. Even though both teams would have been happy enough to go back from 13 each to 15 (both obviously didn't know the rule or were happy enough to say nothing), Tyrone want the result scrapped on this technicality

Armagh went from 12 to 15 and Tyrone from 13 to 15
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 13, 2018, 02:07:20 PM
At the end of extra time Armagh had a third player sent off (after the row and the equalising score). They commenced extra extra time with 15 players when they should have had 12 and Tyrone 13.

I have stated this numerous times.. one argument above was that one of the players was already subbed off..
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 13, 2018, 02:13:16 PM
Fairness dictates a replay.
We'll agree if you agree to replay the 03 AI final  ;)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: GJL on June 13, 2018, 02:16:29 PM
Fairness dictates a replay.
We'll agree if you agree to replay the 03 AI final  ;)
https://www.tickettailor.com/events/itsashorething/164051/ (https://www.tickettailor.com/events/itsashorething/164051/)

Is this close enough?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: keeperlit on June 13, 2018, 02:29:08 PM
At the end of extra time Armagh had a third player sent off (after the row and the equalising score). They commenced extra extra time with 15 players when they should have had 12 and Tyrone 13.

Wrong. They had one player and a sub red carded before game resumed after row (14 vs 13). They then had a player sent of after the game resumed (about 15 seconds later) but before the equaliser (leaving it 13 vs 13).   
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 13, 2018, 02:30:21 PM
Its all very confusing - no one seems to know what happened lets just have a replay!!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jinxy on June 13, 2018, 02:33:58 PM
Or throw both teams out altogether.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: The Bearded One on June 13, 2018, 02:47:47 PM
At the end of extra time Armagh had a third player sent off (after the row and the equalising score). They commenced extra extra time with 15 players when they should have had 12 and Tyrone 13.

Wrong. They had one player and a sub red carded before game resumed after row (14 vs 13). They then had a player sent of after the game resumed (about 15 seconds later) but before the equaliser (leaving it 13 vs 13).

I stand corrected, I am not sure I could keep up with the players subbed/on the field/red carded. Especially with the number of Armagh players who ran on from the sideline  ;)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: keeperlit on June 13, 2018, 03:09:43 PM
At the end of extra time Armagh had a third player sent off (after the row and the equalising score). They commenced extra extra time with 15 players when they should have had 12 and Tyrone 13.

Wrong. They had one player and a sub red carded before game resumed after row (14 vs 13). They then had a player sent of after the game resumed (about 15 seconds later) but before the equaliser (leaving it 13 vs 13).

I stand corrected, I am not sure I could keep up with the players subbed/on the field/red carded. Especially with the number of Armagh players who ran on from the sideline  ;)

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 13, 2018, 03:18:38 PM
Or throw both teams out altogether.

Could yet happen but for reasons unconnected to the grounds for appeal
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: yellowcard on June 13, 2018, 03:48:35 PM
The Ulster final fixture is no longer listed by Ulster GAA so presumably the final has now been postponed pending this appeal.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: LooseCannon on June 13, 2018, 04:01:00 PM
Or throw both teams out altogether.
Happened before, in 97 I think. Ourselves and the jackeens. An almighty brawl.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: skeog on June 13, 2018, 04:41:07 PM
Damian Harvey certainly knows the rules,he noted the rule for replacements was being wrongly applied.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 13, 2018, 06:00:15 PM
I've not read this story so far and am only catching up on it now but I have to laugh at this GAA thinking that if you were beaten and you deserved to be beaten even if there was a clear instance of a rule broken.

I can think back to the AI final of 1995 when Charlie Redmond got sent off and didn't go off for a number of minutes.
Can you imagine this year if Kerry are playing Mayo in the AI final and Kieran Donaghy gets a 2nd yellow but the ref doesn't notice and he plays on and sets up a goal and Dublin lose by a point.

Do you think there would be a replay?
If Mayo played badly and were well beaten by 5 points would your attitude be different?

Iíd say something would need to be done if there were three teams in the final
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 13, 2018, 06:02:26 PM
Or throw both teams out altogether.

How would that punish Tyrone?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 13, 2018, 06:06:07 PM
Or throw both teams out altogether.

How would that punish Tyrone?

 :D  good point - well made
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Itchy on June 13, 2018, 06:30:48 PM
Pathetic by Tyrone appealing on a technicality. No class whatsoever.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 13, 2018, 06:38:20 PM
A low move by Tyrone and that says something given some of the stuff during the Harte era. Hopefully sense prevails. Would be interested in how the majority of their supporters feel about this appeal.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: armaghniac on June 13, 2018, 06:40:20 PM
I've not read this story so far and am only catching up on it now but I have to laugh at this GAA thinking that if you were beaten and you deserved to be beaten even if there was a clear instance of a rule broken.

I can think back to the AI final of 1995 when Charlie Redmond got sent off and didn't go off for a number of minutes.
Can you imagine this year if Kerry are playing Mayo in the AI final and Kieran Donaghy gets a 2nd yellow but the ref doesn't notice and he plays on and sets up a goal and Dublin lose by a point.

Do you think there would be a replay?
If Mayo played badly and were well beaten by 5 points would your attitude be different?

Iíd say something would need to be done if there were three teams in the final

Couldn't Derry and Armagh both play Tyrone? The Donegal and Fermanagh supporters arriving for the senior game would support us.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: BennyHarp on June 13, 2018, 06:51:08 PM
I've not read this story so far and am only catching up on it now but I have to laugh at this GAA thinking that if you were beaten and you deserved to be beaten even if there was a clear instance of a rule broken.

I can think back to the AI final of 1995 when Charlie Redmond got sent off and didn't go off for a number of minutes.
Can you imagine this year if Kerry are playing Mayo in the AI final and Kieran Donaghy gets a 2nd yellow but the ref doesn't notice and he plays on and sets up a goal and Dublin lose by a point.

Do you think there would be a replay?
If Mayo played badly and were well beaten by 5 points would your attitude be different?

My head hurts after reading this Fuzzman.

On the topic of the objection, Iím a Tyrone fan and am sick of the county boardís attitude of raising objections. Weíve done it numerous times over the years for red cards and I wish weíd just get take the result on the chin and move on. That said, and it may not necessarily be relevant to this case, but I do think itís high time that the GAA thought about hiring a few legal buffs to rewrite the whole rule book to close the legal loopholes and clarify any of the grey areas. I assume it wasnít designed to withstand being picked apart by legal teams looking for technicalities.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jayop on June 13, 2018, 08:40:07 PM
Every high-profile controversial incident in the GAA since 1995, has either directly or indirectly involved Tyrone.


::)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 13, 2018, 08:40:50 PM
I've not read this story so far and am only catching up on it now but I have to laugh at this GAA thinking that if you were beaten and you deserved to be beaten even if there was a clear instance of a rule broken.

I can think back to the AI final of 1995 when Charlie Redmond got sent off and didn't go off for a number of minutes.
Can you imagine this year if Kerry are playing Mayo in the AI final and Kieran Donaghy gets a 2nd yellow but the ref doesn't notice and he plays on and sets up a goal and Dublin lose by a point.

Do you think there would be a replay?
If Mayo played badly and were well beaten by 5 points would your attitude be different?

My head hurts after reading this Fuzzman.

On the topic of the objection, Iím a Tyrone fan and am sick of the county boardís attitude of raising objections. Weíve done it numerous times over the years for red cards and I wish weíd just get take the result on the chin and move on. That said, and it may not necessarily be relevant to this case, but I do think itís high time that the GAA thought about hiring a few legal buffs to rewrite the whole rule book to close the legal loopholes and clarify any of the grey areas. I assume it wasnít designed to withstand being picked apart by legal teams looking for technicalities.

Good point on rule book.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jayop on June 13, 2018, 08:47:28 PM
The rule book is a joke.

Every player, manager, club board, county board will do whatever they can to exploit loopholes in it.

This is not a Tyrone thing despite the shite a lot of you write while turning a blind eye to everything your own club/county will do.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Therealdonald on June 13, 2018, 08:50:40 PM
Every high-profile controversial incident in the GAA since 1995, has either directly or indirectly involved Tyrone.


::)

See 96 All-Ireland Brawl
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: redzone on June 13, 2018, 08:51:56 PM
No doubt about it that Armagh thought the game was over when they started the melee. Pretty sure that's why we aren't Gona let them get away with it this time. Cost us an ulster title one time before.
Yous cry when we "don't play by the rules" and Yous cry when we do.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 13, 2018, 09:13:57 PM
Have it on good authority that the most likely outcome of this will be a replay at a neutral venue.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jayop on June 13, 2018, 09:21:11 PM
Have it on good authority that the most likely outcome of this will be a replay at a neutral venue.

I'll reserve judgement on whether they should have appealed based on the outcome of this and the actual detail on what the appeal is over.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: lenny on June 13, 2018, 09:25:04 PM
I've not read this story so far and am only catching up on it now but I have to laugh at this GAA thinking that if you were beaten and you deserved to be beaten even if there was a clear instance of a rule broken.

I can think back to the AI final of 1995 when Charlie Redmond got sent off and didn't go off for a number of minutes.
Can you imagine this year if Kerry are playing Mayo in the AI final and Kieran Donaghy gets a 2nd yellow but the ref doesn't notice and he plays on and sets up a goal and Dublin lose by a point.

Do you think there would be a replay?
If Mayo played badly and were well beaten by 5 points would your attitude be different?

My head hurts after reading this Fuzzman.

On the topic of the objection, Iím a Tyrone fan and am sick of the county boardís attitude of raising objections. Weíve done it numerous times over the years for red cards and I wish weíd just get take the result on the chin and move on. That said, and it may not necessarily be relevant to this case, but I do think itís high time that the GAA thought about hiring a few legal buffs to rewrite the whole rule book to close the legal loopholes and clarify any of the grey areas. I assume it wasnít designed to withstand being picked apart by legal teams looking for technicalities.

Well said Benny. I could understand if Armagh gained a significant advantage but both teams went back to 15 a side. The ref was the one at fault for not knowing the rule. This is a bit desperate from tyrone and sad for the game in general. Iím happy with appeals when there has been miscarriages of justice but that doesnít apply here.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Itchy on June 13, 2018, 09:28:46 PM
Have it on good authority that the most likely outcome of this will be a replay at a neutral venue.

The GAA should review the fighting footage and issue suspensions to 10 Tyrone players.  Since they are such stickers on the rules. Tyrone should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: under the bar on June 13, 2018, 09:30:53 PM
Have it on good authority that the most likely outcome of this will be a replay at a neutral venue.

The GAA should review the fighting footage and issue suspensions to 10 Tyrone players.  Since they are such stickers on the rules. Tyrone should be ashamed of themselves.

Since youíre from Cavan youíll know all about being ashamed of your team then?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: yellowcard on June 13, 2018, 09:40:19 PM
Every high-profile controversial incident in the GAA since 1995, has either directly or indirectly involved Tyrone.

Practically all bar the 2010 Leinster final which was the most ludicrous injustice of them all given that it blatantly altered the result. Mind you it was a Tyrone referee so even then they still had some involvement!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jinxy on June 13, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jayop on June 13, 2018, 09:50:55 PM
Here a bit of reading for you lads.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-top-50-rows-in-the-history-of-the-gaa-35727425.html

By my reckoning only 3 involving Tyrone. 3 from 100 involved. 2 of them Tyrone were on the receiving end of the crap stick and then the Cavanagh incident against Monaghan which is themost overblown thing in the history of the GAA.


Now where you might be right is that every single over exaggerated nonsense controversy involves Tyrone, I'd agree. Because any time any Tyrone man or team does anything that has been done a hundred times before and a hundred times since (see Cavanagh for perfect example) it's used a stick to beat us with by people with a sad little chip on their shoulder over some time we'd have beat them.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: clarshack on June 13, 2018, 10:06:08 PM
We were beat on the night. Armagh had no unfair advantage in ET. As others have said this is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jayop on June 13, 2018, 10:14:41 PM
I wonder will there be the same level of critique for Donegal appealing the red card at the weekend? Will there fk.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: BennyHarp on June 13, 2018, 10:39:36 PM
I wonder will there be the same level of critique for Donegal appealing the red card at the weekend? Will there fk.

This culture of appealing every red card is a blight on the game. McGee left the knee in about 4 times and still they are appealing the decision. Maybe the ref forgot to hole punch his report so Donegal have them on a technicality.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Carbery on June 13, 2018, 10:48:40 PM
Disappointing to see such a well respected County such as Tyrone lodging an objection  after losing by four points when both sides played same number of player in second period of extra time.
Hopefully they will see sense and withdraw this objection and show leadership and most importantly sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: yellowcard on June 13, 2018, 10:53:57 PM
Fermanagh are also appealing the suspension dished out to their water boy during the semi final. Let's not be hypocrites here, all counties are as guilty as each other. However the Tyrone appeal is slightly different in that they were not put at any clear disadvantage numerically. I think it is as a result of the ill feeling created from the brawl involving team management. I can't understand why you would want to try and win in this manner.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jayop on June 13, 2018, 10:59:28 PM
I wonder will there be the same level of critique for Donegal appealing the red card at the weekend? Will there fk.

This culture of appealing every red card is a blight on the game. McGee left the knee in about 4 times and still they are appealing the decision. Maybe the ref forgot to hole punch his report so Donegal have them on a technicality.

Absolutely 100% agree. That's what's infuriating reading some of the opinions on here as if Tyrone doing this is such a unique act of poor sportsmanship. Every team does it if there's any chance at all of getting things going their way, be it a player back from a clear red card like McGee, Stephen Wallace appealing his ban for fighting in a club game that eventually lost him his job, Tyrone appealing this on a technicality. That's just 3 examples this year and I'm sure there's a dozen more if you looked into it.

Are these people right to appeal? No. It's nonsense and turns the game into a bit of a farce.

Are they to blame for the situation where an appeal is possible? No. That's 100% the fault of the GAA, it's comedy rulebook, the fact that refs and officials at the games clearly don't know the rules otherwise why allow the 4 players to rejoin, and the fact that when they do appeal on these nonsense technicalities they are more often than not rewarded for it.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Itchy on June 13, 2018, 11:06:50 PM
Have it on good authority that the most likely outcome of this will be a replay at a neutral venue.

The GAA should review the fighting footage and issue suspensions to 10 Tyrone players.  Since they are such stickers on the rules. Tyrone should be ashamed of themselves.

Since youíre from Cavan youíll know all about being ashamed of your team then?

Why would I be ashamed. We've been beaten fair and square. But id be disgusted if our county appealed a result in which they did not concede any unfair advantage. Ref made a mistake which effect both teams equally.  You can see the difference in genuine sportsmen from Tyrone who want none of this shite and well then win at ALL costs brigade. I actually cannot believe your county board has stooped this low
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jayop on June 13, 2018, 11:14:50 PM
Fermanagh are also appealing the suspension dished out to their water boy during the semi final. Let's not be hypocrites here, all counties are as guilty as each other. However the Tyrone appeal is slightly different in that they were not put at any clear disadvantage numerically. I think it is as a result of the ill feeling created from the brawl involving team management. I can't understand why you would want to try and win in this manner.

In fairness to Fermanagh that suspension is an absolute joke. Take the head of someone with a punch or an elbow to the face and it's a max 1 game ban. Squirt water on someone and it's 8 weeks.

That's one time then I really hope the technicality works out for them.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 13, 2018, 11:16:54 PM
I wonder will there be the same level of critique for Donegal appealing the red card at the weekend? Will there fk.

This culture of appealing every red card is a blight on the game. McGee left the knee in about 4 times and still they are appealing the decision. Maybe the ref forgot to hole punch his report so Donegal have them on a technicality.

Have to laugh at the stupidity of some of these players.
McGee left/dropped the knees maybe 6 times into Harrison right in front of linesmen and ref and then protests innocence.
Donegal should be ashamed of themselves for having the cheek to try defend that carry on.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: southtyronegael on June 13, 2018, 11:19:57 PM
embarressing stuff from the tyrone county board. but not surprising giving some of the stuff they have been at recently. just last saturday they relieved john hurson the palestine campaigner of his duties. last year they managed to oust the current chairperson, roisin jordan. lowest of all they gave harte a 3 yrs extenstion after the dublin drubbing. screwed the lasts years sponsors, mc aleer and rushe over too. tyrone gaa needs a major clearout starting at the top.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jeremiah O on June 14, 2018, 12:38:57 AM
Not keen at all on the appeal.Armagh won the game on the night and that should be the end of it in my opinion.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: macdanger2 on June 14, 2018, 12:53:50 AM
Every high-profile controversial incident in the GAA since 1995, has either directly or indirectly involved Tyrone.

The world would be a very dull place without us, that's for sure.

  Conflict/rebellion/deceipt/compassion/humour has been part of the psyche for hundreds of years.  Sure didn't Hugh O'Neill himself bawl his lamps out in front of the Queen, begging for redemption and then go on to spend her money on lead shot (that was supposed to be for the roof of his new house in Dungannon) to attack her forces.  There's no doubt about it, to outsiders we are generally a County of mad bastids who thrive on controversy.

Never a dull moment.

Great post  ;D
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: rrhf on June 14, 2018, 06:12:43 AM
Fermanagh are also appealing the suspension dished out to their water boy during the semi final. Let's not be hypocrites here, all counties are as guilty as each other. However the Tyrone appeal is slightly different in that they were not put at any clear disadvantage numerically. I think it is as a result of the ill feeling created from the brawl involving team management. I can't understand why you would want to try and win in this manner.
I hate appeals. But Strangely there is too much scope for abuse.  What stops an 11 aside game taking place - the ref. Potential mutiny all over the shop.  Getting the numbers right is The refs most important role.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: hardstation on June 14, 2018, 08:37:40 AM
There seems to be some confusion. Can somebody clear this up:
For the period in question, should Tyrone have had more men on the field than Armagh, if the rules had have been applied correctly?

If yes, the appeal is justifiable.
If no, the appeal is pathetic.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: RedHand88 on June 14, 2018, 08:38:42 AM
There seems to be some confusion. Can somebody clear this up:
For the period in question, should Tyrone have had more men on the field than Armagh, if the rules had have been applied correctly?

If yes, the appeal is justifiable.
If no, the appeal is pathetic.

My understanding is no.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 14, 2018, 08:57:04 AM
There seems to be some confusion. Can somebody clear this up:
For the period in question, should Tyrone have had more men on the field than Armagh, if the rules had have been applied correctly?

If yes, the appeal is justifiable.
If no, the appeal is pathetic.

My understanding is no.

My understanding is yes. Tyrone should have had 13 players and Armagh 12
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: nrico2006 on June 14, 2018, 08:57:52 AM
Why was Darragh Canavan not on panel?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 14, 2018, 09:03:42 AM
There seems to be some confusion. Can somebody clear this up:
For the period in question, should Tyrone have had more men on the field than Armagh, if the rules had have been applied correctly?

If yes, the appeal is justifiable.
If no, the appeal is pathetic.

My understanding is no.

My understanding is yes. Tyrone should have had 13 players and Armagh 12

Going by this it says Armagh had two players sent off but I was near sure there was 3?
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/Article/Index/286502

That article there looks bad in fairness
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: omagh_gael on June 14, 2018, 09:10:22 AM
Why was Darragh Canavan not on panel?

I believe he had the decision to stay off it this year as he was playing too much football. Hopefully we see him out next year.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 09:15:41 AM
Why was Darragh Canavan not on panel?

I heard his da was worried he'd end up getting bate up by armagh officials - good call in the end!!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 14, 2018, 09:53:04 AM
At the end of extra time Armagh had a third player sent off (after the row and the equalising score). They commenced extra extra time with 15 players when they should have had 12 and Tyrone 13.

I have stated this numerous times.. one argument above was that one of the players was already subbed off..

What does he mean though? Was he substituted and committed the red card offence before exiting the field? Did he leave the pitch but return on to it and commit the offence or was he subbed off and then sent to the stands for an offence along the sideline?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Under Lights on June 14, 2018, 09:58:38 AM
Can we appeal the 1995 final while we are at it.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 14, 2018, 09:58:59 AM
I wonder will there be the same level of critique for Donegal appealing the red card at the weekend? Will there fk.

Has the Ulster Senior Final been postponed?

If it was then the pointless McGee appeal will be equally criticised.

Remember McGee is guilty. If somehow he gets off it will look bad on The GAA/Ulster Council and on Donegal. And it won't make him innocent.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 14, 2018, 10:03:33 AM
Fermanagh are also appealing the suspension dished out to their water boy during the semi final. Let's not be hypocrites here, all counties are as guilty as each other. However the Tyrone appeal is slightly different in that they were not put at any clear disadvantage numerically. I think it is as a result of the ill feeling created from the brawl involving team management. I can't understand why you would want to try and win in this manner.
I hate appeals. But Strangely there is too much scope for abuse.  What stops an 11 aside game taking place - the ref. Potential mutiny all over the shop.  Getting the numbers right is The refs most important role.

Scope to abuse the rules does not compel a team to abuse the rules. That is a choice
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 14, 2018, 10:04:17 AM
There seems to be some confusion. Can somebody clear this up:
For the period in question, should Tyrone have had more men on the field than Armagh, if the rules had have been applied correctly?

If yes, the appeal is justifiable.
If no, the appeal is pathetic.

In a nutshell
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: DuffleKing on June 14, 2018, 10:13:13 AM

I really do despair with people sometimes.

Appealing a red card after the fact in an attempt to have a player participate the next day is entirely different (and usually a chance of the arm) than appealing the result of a match based on a technicality.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: redzone on June 14, 2018, 10:23:56 AM
Have it on good authority that the most likely outcome of this will be a replay at a neutral venue.

The GAA should review the fighting footage and issue suspensions to 10 Tyrone players.  Since they are such stickers on the rules. Tyrone should be ashamed of themselves.

Since youíre from Cavan youíll know all about being ashamed of your team then?

Why would I be ashamed. We've been beaten fair and square. But id be disgusted if our county appealed a result in which they did not concede any unfair advantage. Ref made a mistake which effect both teams equally.  You can see the difference in genuine sportsmen from Tyrone who want none of this shite and well then win at ALL costs brigade. I actually cannot believe your county board has stooped this low
Geroid v wylie. Remember that incident. No you don't cause Yous f**king denied it ever happened
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: nrico2006 on June 14, 2018, 10:29:20 AM
Why was Darragh Canavan not on panel?

I believe he had the decision to stay off it this year as he was playing too much football. Hopefully we see him out next year.

Thanks for the response.  I did hear about him concentrating on minor club which will be a good decision in the long run as he has another 2 years at this grade anyway.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: general_lee on June 14, 2018, 10:32:53 AM
Just man up and take your batin ye shower of bog dwelling midgets
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: BennyHarp on June 14, 2018, 11:10:01 AM
Just man up and take your batin ye shower of bog dwelling midgets

I'll refer you to the Armagh supporters response after 2003. We had to beat you again in 2005 to hammer home the point.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: illdecide on June 14, 2018, 11:11:39 AM
In fairness most Tyronies are happy enough that Armagh won and don't want anything done about it, I'm surprised the Co Board done it as someone stated it would be different if you were trying to get a player cleared for a final or something like that but trying to change the outcome of a match result is a bit low. The row at the end obviously had a bearing on this decision to appeal the result on a technicality.

C'mon Tyrone it's noyt that often we get to beat Tyrone, ffs let us have our we bit of glory
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 14, 2018, 11:18:52 AM
Just man up and take your batin ye shower of bog dwelling midgets

I'll refer you to the Armagh supporters response after 2003. We had to beat you again in 2005 to hammer home the point.

We didn't like it but we didn't appeal the result! 
However, if Tyrone are successful in their appeal I feel its incumbent on Armagh County Board to take a stand and launch some counter appeals.  The 03 final where Marsden was later found to be incorrectly sent off.  Armagh have grounds here for being unfairly a man down.  Also in 05 Canavan wasted an inordinate amount of time on that final free. The time should have been added on. It wasn't. There was time for Armagh to get an equaliser.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 11:46:14 AM
Just man up and take your batin ye shower of bog dwelling midgets

I'll refer you to the Armagh supporters response after 2003. We had to beat you again in 2005 to hammer home the point.

We didn't like it but we didn't appeal the result! 
However, if Tyrone are successful in their appeal I feel its incumbent on Armagh County Board to take a stand and launch some counter appeals.  The 03 final where Marsden was later found to be incorrectly sent off.  Armagh have grounds here for being unfairly a man down.  Also in 05 Canavan wasted an inordinate amount of time on that final free. The time should have been added on. It wasn't. There was time for Armagh to get an equaliser.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: redhandofgod on June 14, 2018, 11:58:37 AM
i don't think any appeal will matter, good chance both teams will be thrown out!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 14, 2018, 12:15:18 PM
i don't think any appeal will matter, good chance both teams will be thrown out!

Any precedent for this?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: JoG2 on June 14, 2018, 12:20:03 PM
i don't think any appeal will matter, good chance both teams will be thrown out!

Any precedent for this?

not sure, but with time constraints, and the whole appeals process, I'd say this is a likely enoughoutcome. From a few in the loop, this could be the case, though nothing remotely confirmed either way. A complete clusterfcuk for the Ulster Council to sort
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 14, 2018, 12:22:46 PM
I've never heard of a team getting kicked out before.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Bisbee on June 14, 2018, 12:26:25 PM
As others have pointed out previously-how would any team being kicked out be an actual punishment for Tyrone?
Already beaten.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jinxy on June 14, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
It's not about it being a punishment for Tyrone specifically.
Kicking Armagh out and dishing out severe punishments to both sides is the path of least resistance.
And there is a precedent for this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/dublin-expelled-from-under-21-championship-1.56439 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/dublin-expelled-from-under-21-championship-1.56439)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 12:30:46 PM
As others have pointed out previously-how would any team being kicked out be an actual punishment for Tyrone?
Already beaten.

I would imagine they would fine both counties as well that would be a punishment for Tyrone - given the fact that Armagh probably got heavily involved in the row because they thought they where going out (point down and time up) maybe not rewarding that type of behaviour is the right thing to do?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Bisbee on June 14, 2018, 12:56:04 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 14, 2018, 01:00:20 PM
I remember Derry v Armagh in mid to late 90s in Celtic Park. In the minor match Derry had an extra player on the field for a period and won the match by a point. The talk after was that Armagh would appeal result. They didn't because it would have meant Derry would have been kicked out but Armagh could not get a replay. It was the correct decision. Is it possible sour grapes have led to appeal. And to think we let them play their club championship games in Armagh. It will be difficult for Armagh County Board to be as facilitating in the future.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Hound on June 14, 2018, 01:01:53 PM
It's not about it being a punishment for Tyrone specifically.
Kicking Armagh out and dishing out severe punishments to both sides is the path of least resistance.
And there is a precedent for this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/dublin-expelled-from-under-21-championship-1.56439 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/dublin-expelled-from-under-21-championship-1.56439)
Poor oul Dubs always get the rough end of the stick. Feckin Leinster Council  >:(
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 01:03:08 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.

I didn't say they started the row cause they thought they where beaten - My view was that they had little regard for the consequences they would face given the fact they thought they where out e.g. the manager hitting a teenager, their officials getting involved, the subs clearing the bench immediately to gang attack.

The reason i made sure not to say they started the row is that i am of the impression that two players one from each side got into a wrestling match at the end (possibly initiated by the Tyrone player) you see this alot in football these days see AI final last year. Whilst not the most sporting thing to do - its still an easy enough one for the ref to sort out IF people who are not suppose to be on the field stay off.

Has their been any form of apology from the idiot Armagh manager yet for causing this...
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: naka on June 14, 2018, 01:39:45 PM
chatting to a fair few guys from tyrone who are disappointed to say the least with the appeal.
the feeling from a few guys is  is that they feel the tyrone county board hope that both teams are thrown out which will only heighten the antagonism between the orchard and the red hands
can`t see the athletic grounds being used by tyrone for their  club championship this year or for a fair few years.
next time a club from tyrone asks me to buy a £100 ticket I know what answer they are getting ;D
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: general_lee on June 14, 2018, 02:18:44 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.

The elephant in the room here is Tyrone and their complete lack of class. This is a county where most of the population dress like its 2001 and grown men still think it acceptable to run about with their hair dyed blonde using their sisterís peroxide.

So when it comes to seeing out a game in the dying minutes, instead of just getting the job done, this utter ballbagness that is ingrained into every Tyronie from the day theyíre born comes to the fore. Of course things backfired, and being the shower of yaps that they are would rather see Armagh out as well as themselves just to be spiteful c***ts.

Reminds me of nights out in Armagh and Cookstown back in the day, they were the same then when Armagh boys curted their women, started rows because they all they were left with was to curt their cousins on the bus home
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 14, 2018, 02:24:08 PM
As others have pointed out previously-how would any team being kicked out be an actual punishment for Tyrone?
Already beaten.

I would imagine they would fine both counties as well that would be a punishment for Tyrone - given the fact that Armagh probably got heavily involved in the row because they thought they where going out (point down and time up) maybe not rewarding that type of behaviour is the right thing to do?
What colour is the sky in your world?  Why would Armagh start a row when they were a point down?  Where is the thinking in that?  It would have been more in Tyrone's interests to start a row to use up time and hope that the referee wouldn't allow extra minutes on at the end.
Just when you thought you couldn't think anything less of Tyrone they manage to go lower.  It'll be a complete disgrace if both teams are threw out.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 14, 2018, 02:24:51 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.

The elephant in the room here is Tyrone and their complete lack of class. This is a county where most of the population dress like its 2001 and grown men still think it acceptable to run about with their hair dyed blonde using their sister’s peroxide.

So when it comes to seeing out a game in the dying minutes, instead of just getting the job done, this utter ballbagness that is ingrained into every Tyronie from the day they’re born comes to the fore. Of course things backfired, and being the shower of yaps that they are would rather see Armagh out as well as themselves just to be spiteful c***ts.

Reminds me of nights out in Armagh and Cookstown back in the day, they were the same then when Armagh boys curted their women, started rows because they all they were left with was to curt their cousins on the bus home

Post of the year  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jinxy on June 14, 2018, 02:30:16 PM
As others have pointed out previously-how would any team being kicked out be an actual punishment for Tyrone?
Already beaten.

I would imagine they would fine both counties as well that would be a punishment for Tyrone - given the fact that Armagh probably got heavily involved in the row because they thought they where going out (point down and time up) maybe not rewarding that type of behaviour is the right thing to do?
What colour is the sky in your world?  Why would Armagh start a row when they were a point down?  Where is the thinking in that?  It would have been more in Tyrone's interests to start a row to use up time and hope that the referee wouldn't allow extra minutes on at the end.
Just when you thought you couldn't think anything less of Tyrone they manage to go lower.  It'll be a complete disgrace if both teams are threw out.

Sorry Mackers, but once your mentors and subs wade into the fray, you lose all claims to the moral high ground.
The GAA, in light of the recent issues with refs & umpires may choose to make an example of both teams here, as the 'anarchy' narrative is gaining traction in recent weeks.
For the record, I think Andy McEntee deserves a hefty suspension for his behaviour after our game last Saturday.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 14, 2018, 02:34:53 PM
I have stated earlier that the offending manager will be rightly heavily punished and should take it on the chin.  I have no problem in punishing the offenders.  But to reward Tyrone's general sh1ttiness and poor sportsmanship by throwing the Armagh squad out of the competition would stick in me and would only escalate the antagonism between the counties.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 14, 2018, 02:36:22 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.

The elephant in the room here is Tyrone and their complete lack of class. This is a county where most of the population dress like its 2001 and grown men still think it acceptable to run about with their hair dyed blonde using their sisterís peroxide.

So when it comes to seeing out a game in the dying minutes, instead of just getting the job done, this utter ballbagness that is ingrained into every Tyronie from the day theyíre born comes to the fore. Of course things backfired, and being the shower of yaps that they are would rather see Armagh out as well as themselves just to be spiteful c***ts.

Reminds me of nights out in Armagh and Cookstown back in the day, they were the same then when Armagh boys curted their women, started rows because they all they were left with was to curt their cousins on the bus home

Very true  :)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: yellowcard on June 14, 2018, 02:46:08 PM
It would be common sense if Tyrone withdrew their appeal even now, this thread will explode tonight if Armagh get chucked out becuase of the appeal and no doubt Tyrone will get the blame. 
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: screenexile on June 14, 2018, 02:57:57 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.

The elephant in the room here is Tyrone and their complete lack of class. This is a county where most of the population dress like its 2001 and grown men still think it acceptable to run about with their hair dyed blonde using their sisterís peroxide.

So when it comes to seeing out a game in the dying minutes, instead of just getting the job done, this utter ballbagness that is ingrained into every Tyronie from the day theyíre born comes to the fore. Of course things backfired, and being the shower of yaps that they are would rather see Armagh out as well as themselves just to be spiteful c***ts.

Reminds me of nights out in Armagh and Cookstown back in the day, they were the same then when Armagh boys curted their women, started rows because they all they were left with was to curt their cousins on the bus home




First class!!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 14, 2018, 03:08:03 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.

The elephant in the room here is Tyrone and their complete lack of class. This is a county where most of the population dress like its 2001 and grown men still think it acceptable to run about with their hair dyed blonde using their sisterís peroxide.

So when it comes to seeing out a game in the dying minutes, instead of just getting the job done, this utter ballbagness that is ingrained into every Tyronie from the day theyíre born comes to the fore. Of course things backfired, and being the shower of yaps that they are would rather see Armagh out as well as themselves just to be spiteful c***ts.

Reminds me of nights out in Armagh and Cookstown back in the day, they were the same then when Armagh boys curted their women, started rows because they all they were left with was to curt their cousins on the bus home




First class!!!

Though I am from Tyrone that is funny  :D 
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 14, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.

The elephant in the room here is Tyrone and their complete lack of class. This is a county where most of the population dress like its 2001 and grown men still think it acceptable to run about with their hair dyed blonde using their sisterís peroxide.

So when it comes to seeing out a game in the dying minutes, instead of just getting the job done, this utter ballbagness that is ingrained into every Tyronie from the day theyíre born comes to the fore. Of course things backfired, and being the shower of yaps that they are would rather see Armagh out as well as themselves just to be spiteful c***ts.

Reminds me of nights out in Armagh and Cookstown back in the day, they were the same then when Armagh boys curted their women, started rows because they all they were left with was to curt their cousins on the bus home




First class!!!

Though I am from Tyrone that is funny  :D

Itís funny because itís true!!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: BennyHarp on June 14, 2018, 03:17:44 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.

The elephant in the room here is Tyrone and their complete lack of class. This is a county where most of the population dress like its 2001 and grown men still think it acceptable to run about with their hair dyed blonde using their sisterís peroxide.

So when it comes to seeing out a game in the dying minutes, instead of just getting the job done, this utter ballbagness that is ingrained into every Tyronie from the day theyíre born comes to the fore. Of course things backfired, and being the shower of yaps that they are would rather see Armagh out as well as themselves just to be spiteful c***ts.

Reminds me of nights out in Armagh and Cookstown back in the day, they were the same then when Armagh boys curted their women, started rows because they all they were left with was to curt their cousins on the bus home

Its the genuine pain in this sort of post, knowing that it was caused by Tyrone, which brings me the most joy. Armagh actually won the game and we still can bring this out in them. Much as i'd like us to withdraw the appeal (you have suffered enough) in many ways this is classic Armagh baiting from our county board. I'd nearly forgotten how enjoyable it was to read the desperate ramblings of Armagh posters. Brings back fond memories of 2003 and 2005. Good times  8)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 03:26:14 PM
As others have pointed out previously-how would any team being kicked out be an actual punishment for Tyrone?
Already beaten.

I would imagine they would fine both counties as well that would be a punishment for Tyrone - given the fact that Armagh probably got heavily involved in the row because they thought they where going out (point down and time up) maybe not rewarding that type of behaviour is the right thing to do?
What colour is the sky in your world?  Why would Armagh start a row when they were a point down?  Where is the thinking in that?  It would have been more in Tyrone's interests to start a row to use up time and hope that the referee wouldn't allow extra minutes on at the end.
Just when you thought you couldn't think anything less of Tyrone they manage to go lower.  It'll be a complete disgrace if both teams are threw out.

If your read my post and the post after i am not claiming Armagh started the row just saying they seemed fairly wreckless in what they did after it started which some have said was due to the fact that they thought they where out and didn't feel that punishment would be too hurtful. Or maybes its because they're general Armagh hard men!!

If Armagh are thrown out I don't think they can complain too much (that will be seperate from the Tyrone appeal) - If they are thrown out i'd be pointing a big large finger at their manager involved who would have only himself to blame.

Has he apologised yet?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 14, 2018, 03:40:08 PM
Its the genuine pain in this sort of post, knowing that it was caused by Tyrone, which brings me the most joy. Armagh actually won the game and we still can bring this out in them. Much as i'd like us to withdraw the appeal (you have suffered enough) in many ways this is classic Armagh baiting from our county board. I'd nearly forgotten how enjoyable it was to read the desperate ramblings of Armagh posters. Brings back fond memories of 2003 and 2005. Good times  8)
Whatever floats your boat Benny.  If you're happy that whilst your county board are making dicks out of the Tyrone GAA public (as many Tyrone posters including yourself have alluded to) it's getting the rise out of a few Armagh posters on here then work away.
The Tyrone psyche is an interesting one.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 14, 2018, 03:44:32 PM
Just man up and take your batin ye shower of bog dwelling midgets

I'll refer you to the Armagh supporters response after 2003. We had to beat you again in 2005 to hammer home the point.

Donít mention 05. That was harder to take than 03
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 14, 2018, 03:46:56 PM
Having been at the game I didn't get the impression that Armagh set out to start a row.  It just escalated from a few Tyrone players starting to taunt, goad and wrestle with their opponents in the last minute of extra time.  Don't understand why they simply did not focus on gaining possession, holding onto the ball and seeing out the last minute of the game.  Sad statement on the state of things that after a magnificent effort from both sides that the focus of a few players at the end was to try and humiliate and taunt their opponents.  Does not at all excuse the bench clearing rush from Armagh and scenes that followed.  But Armagh did not start a row because they thought they were beaten.

The elephant in the room here is Tyrone and their complete lack of class. This is a county where most of the population dress like its 2001 and grown men still think it acceptable to run about with their hair dyed blonde using their sisterís peroxide.

So when it comes to seeing out a game in the dying minutes, instead of just getting the job done, this utter ballbagness that is ingrained into every Tyronie from the day theyíre born comes to the fore. Of course things backfired, and being the shower of yaps that they are would rather see Armagh out as well as themselves just to be spiteful c***ts.

Reminds me of nights out in Armagh and Cookstown back in the day, they were the same then when Armagh boys curted their women, started rows because they all they were left with was to curt their cousins on the bus home




First class!!!

Though I am from Tyrone that is funny  :D

Itís funny because itís true!!!

Nah Tyrone women wudnt look sideways at Armagh munchies
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 14, 2018, 03:47:59 PM

If your read my post and the post after i am not claiming Armagh started the row just saying they seemed fairly wreckless in what they did after it started which some have said was due to the fact that they thought they where out and didn't feel that punishment would be too hurtful. Or maybes its because they're general Armagh hard men!!

If Armagh are thrown out I don't think they can complain too much (that will be seperate from the Tyrone appeal) - If they are thrown out i'd be pointing a big large finger at their manager involved who would have only himself to blame.

Has he apologised yet?
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I don't imagine anyone in the Armagh camp will be pointing the finger at Martin McQuillan.  Stop trying to turn this into something it's not.  I'd say Martin will apologise to those who he feels he needs to apologise to if required.  He'll not need some Tyrone poster trying to take the higher moral ground on the GaaBoard to force him into it. 
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 14, 2018, 03:48:56 PM
Chatting to a guy today and he said the basis of the appeal is not that players were brought back on for extra time. Thatís allowee. Rather that one of the players brought back on was the player who got sent off for two yellow cards. Apparently thatís not allowed
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 04:06:31 PM

If your read my post and the post after i am not claiming Armagh started the row just saying they seemed fairly wreckless in what they did after it started which some have said was due to the fact that they thought they where out and didn't feel that punishment would be too hurtful. Or maybes its because they're general Armagh hard men!!

If Armagh are thrown out I don't think they can complain too much (that will be seperate from the Tyrone appeal) - If they are thrown out i'd be pointing a big large finger at their manager involved who would have only himself to blame.

Has he apologised yet?
I don't imagine anyone in the Armagh camp will be pointing the finger at Martin McQuillan.  Stop trying to turn this into something it's not.  I'd say Martin will apologise to those who he feels he needs to apologise to if required.  He'll not need some Tyrone poster trying to take the higher moral ground on the GaaBoard to force him into it.
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Mackers your psyche is an interesting one - If Martin had of behaved the game would have finished without major incident whoever was victorious (probably Tyrone) - Armagh can bury their heads in the sand as much as they want but thats the reality! I think it says more about Armagh than Tyrone if they are backing McQuillan on this one.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 14, 2018, 04:14:15 PM
Mackers your psyche is an interesting one - If Martin had of behaved the game would have finished without major incident whoever was victorious (probably Tyrone) - Armagh can bury their heads in the sand as much as they want but thats the reality! I think it says more about Armagh than Tyrone if they are backing McQuillan on this one.
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This is my last post on the matter because this is getting stupid now. You're seriously saying that Tyrone would have won without Martin MCQuillan doing what he did.  Seriously?? How can you possibly say that??
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: naka on June 14, 2018, 04:39:31 PM
Chatting to a guy today and he said the basis of the appeal is not that players were brought back on for extra time. Thatís allowee. Rather that one of the players brought back on was the player who got sent off for two yellow cards. Apparently thatís not allowed
my understanding is that this isn't articulated in their appeal
the 15 players is the basis of their appeal
they I believe acknowledge that they also had 15 players on the pitch
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 04:40:38 PM
Mackers your psyche is an interesting one - If Martin had of behaved the game would have finished without major incident whoever was victorious (probably Tyrone) - Armagh can bury their heads in the sand as much as they want but thats the reality! I think it says more about Armagh than Tyrone if they are backing McQuillan on this one.
This is my last post on the matter because this is getting stupid now. You're seriously saying that Tyrone would have won without Martin MCQuillan doing what he did.  Seriously?? How can you possibly say that??
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I'm saying they probably would have won - not definitely. Further added time benefited Armagh for the equaliser. That point aside are you denying his actions caused the full scale melee? If Armagh where thrown out and I was an Armagh player/official/supporter who had behaved I would expect an apology from him and then let him get back to serving his ban and rebuilding his reputation and move on.

I'll also say it again the Tyrone player involved at the start was wrong getting involved in off the ball bullshit.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 14, 2018, 05:02:11 PM
If Armagh where thrown out and I was an Armagh player/official/supporter who had behaved I would expect an apology from him and then let him get back to serving his ban and rebuilding his reputation and move on.
I'd imagine that's exactly what would happen. It may already have happened.  That's why I said that I thought he will apologise to whoever he thinks he should apologise to in a previous post.  You or I will probably never find out nor should we.  I have stated on several occasions now that he will be punished and he should not appeal the punishment.  I can't be any clearer.  I don't think that HIS punishment should be for Armagh to be thrown out of the competition.  What I have taken issue with is you putting the blame squarely on his shoulders for causing the full melee.  I have watched the video several times now and it would have happened in any case.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 05:27:51 PM
If Armagh where thrown out and I was an Armagh player/official/supporter who had behaved I would expect an apology from him and then let him get back to serving his ban and rebuilding his reputation and move on.
I'd imagine that's exactly what would happen. It may already have happened.  That's why I said that I thought he will apologise to whoever he thinks he should apologise to in a previous post.  You or I will probably never find out nor should we.  I have stated on several occasions now that he will be punished and he should not appeal the punishment.  I can't be any clearer.  I don't think that HIS punishment should be for Armagh to be thrown out of the competition.  What I have taken issue with is you putting the blame squarely on his shoulders for causing the full melee.  I have watched the video several times now and it would have happened in any case.

I don't agree it would have happened anyway - I've said it enough times the majority of melees like that take place when non playing persons enter the field.

Had the rules fully been applied the game should have abandoned by the referee - not sure what happens in this case is it a replay or are both teams chucked out in either event Tyrone would have been the hard done by party as they where leading.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: mackers on June 14, 2018, 05:31:17 PM
Tyrone hard done by.....I give up.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 14, 2018, 06:02:08 PM
If Armagh where thrown out and I was an Armagh player/official/supporter who had behaved I would expect an apology from him and then let him get back to serving his ban and rebuilding his reputation and move on.
I'd imagine that's exactly what would happen. It may already have happened.  That's why I said that I thought he will apologise to whoever he thinks he should apologise to in a previous post.  You or I will probably never find out nor should we.  I have stated on several occasions now that he will be punished and he should not appeal the punishment.  I can't be any clearer.  I don't think that HIS punishment should be for Armagh to be thrown out of the competition.  What I have taken issue with is you putting the blame squarely on his shoulders for causing the full melee.  I have watched the video several times now and it would have happened in any case.

I don't agree it would have happened anyway - I've said it enough times the majority of melees like that take place when non playing persons enter the field.

Had the rules fully been applied the game should have abandoned by the referee - not sure what happens in this case is it a replay or are both teams chucked out in either event Tyrone would have been the hard done by party as they where leading.

What rule is that?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Therealdonald on June 14, 2018, 07:18:43 PM
Why was Darragh Canavan not on panel?

I believe he had the decision to stay off it this year as he was playing too much football. Hopefully we see him out next year.

I actually think there's something to do with birthdays and when the players turn 18 might be the reason. Is there not a rule for this or something?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 14, 2018, 07:53:49 PM
If Ulster Council order a replay or something similar does that mean the referees report is wrong - assuming it does not mention the sub problem. That being the case does his view on the row or sending off be seen to be incorrect too. To further muddy the water if they decide to declare the first match null and void how can they suspend anyone if the match didn't officially count.

I know this is pushing things a bit but if the lawyers get involved many a thing can be argued. Tyrone may have opened a can of worms. Maybe they should be politely asked to withdraw the appeal. The odds then will be that Armagh will have a number of players suspended and Derry should win the final - although not too many Tyrone ones would like  that !
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: hardstation on June 14, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
I know this is pushing things a bit

You can say that again. That was some pile of ballix.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tyroneman on June 14, 2018, 09:21:29 PM
Speaking as a die hard Tyrone supporter.....Tyrone need to wise up.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 14, 2018, 09:24:37 PM
I know this is pushing things a bit

You can say that again. That was some pile of ballix.

 ;D 8)

Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 11:26:31 PM
If Armagh where thrown out and I was an Armagh player/official/supporter who had behaved I would expect an apology from him and then let him get back to serving his ban and rebuilding his reputation and move on.
I'd imagine that's exactly what would happen. It may already have happened.  That's why I said that I thought he will apologise to whoever he thinks he should apologise to in a previous post.  You or I will probably never find out nor should we.  I have stated on several occasions now that he will be punished and he should not appeal the punishment.  I can't be any clearer.  I don't think that HIS punishment should be for Armagh to be thrown out of the competition.  What I have taken issue with is you putting the blame squarely on his shoulders for causing the full melee.  I have watched the video several times now and it would have happened in any case.

I don't agree it would have happened anyway - I've said it enough times the majority of melees like that take place when non playing persons enter the field.

Had the rules fully been applied the game should have abandoned by the referee - not sure what happens in this case is it a replay or are both teams chucked out in either event Tyrone would have been the hard done by party as they where leading.

What rule is that?

1.1 POWERS OF THE REFEREE

(vii) To terminate a game because of outside
interference, or any other serious reason that
merits such action.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tyroneman on June 15, 2018, 12:14:00 AM
I gather the appeal has failed.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 15, 2018, 12:20:45 AM
I gather the appeal has failed.

Glad to hear - now they will move onto the discipline procedure for the row i take it.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: rrhf on June 15, 2018, 12:30:39 AM
Not worried that the appeal has failed. Tyrone are out..What worries me most and I have seen it in club football. Why is their no sanction for a team who when they fall behind behind, they want to get a game abandoned by turning a scrap into a subs and management field invasion. That is what happened here. Fair play to the ref for not abandoning the game and also FairPlay to Armagh. They came back after rattling Tyrone. In the row


Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Therealdonald on June 15, 2018, 12:42:55 AM
If it has, justice has been done. Beat fair and square on the night.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: keeperlit on June 15, 2018, 12:43:42 AM
Not worried that the appeal has failed. Tyrone are out..What worries me most and I have seen it in club football. Why is their no sanction for a team who when they fall behind behind, they want to get a game abandoned by turning a scrap into a subs and management field invasion. That is what happened here. Fair play to the ref for not abandoning the game and also FairPlay to Armagh. They came back after rattling Tyrone. In the row

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jeremiah O on June 15, 2018, 07:19:48 AM
Correct decision has been made.Now I hope Armagh go on and hammer the shite outta them Derry hoors!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2018, 07:31:07 AM
Why was Darragh Canavan not on panel?

I believe he had the decision to stay off it this year as he was playing too much football. Hopefully we see him out next year.

A sensible decision by parents who value education and exam success above football.  U20 squads have plenty of lads in the middle of their AS and A levels and shouldn't be pulled away to train and play at this time.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: nrico2006 on June 15, 2018, 08:32:14 AM
Why was Darragh Canavan not on panel?

I believe he had the decision to stay off it this year as he was playing too much football. Hopefully we see him out next year.

I actually think there's something to do with birthdays and when the players turn 18 might be the reason. Is there not a rule for this or something?

Was originally thinking something like that myself, but surely there isn't a restriction on players playing county because they are too old for u-17 and too young for u-20?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: oakleaflad on June 15, 2018, 09:38:11 AM
Correct decision has been made.Now I hope Armagh go on and hammer the shite outta them Derry hoors!
I'm glad Armagh weren't thrown out. You would rather win the final than be handed a trophy because of a team being disqualified.
That being said, anyone involved in the melee or who left the bench to get involved should be given a one game suspension  ;)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: illdecide on June 15, 2018, 10:22:19 AM
Correct decision has been made.Now I hope Armagh go on and hammer the shite outta them Derry hoors!
I'm glad Armagh weren't thrown out. You would rather win the final than be handed a trophy because of a team being disqualified.
That being said, anyone involved in the melee or who left the bench to get involved should be given a one game suspension  ;)

 ;D, v good Oakie. Would be a damp squib if we were to lose this now to the big Derry men...surely you men will go easy on us apple munchers ;)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 11:00:59 AM
The first issue was the appeal. That has been thrown out. Will be interesting to see how refereeing errors will be treated in Tyrone Club football given the Tyrone County Board believe such games should be replayed even if the error impacted both sides equally.

The second issue of punishments for the melee is entirely separate. Any update on that? Like all melees 90% is ugly but just pushing and shirt pulling. Can't see any individual punishments for that. More likely to be fines for the County Boards given the scale of it.

There is no doubt that there are more serious offences in the middle of that but not easy to pick out too many specifics. The subs are probably in the biggest trouble as merely running on to the pitch and getting involved will be punished
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 11:15:31 AM
Tyrone corner forward must be in big trouble. If you look at the footage after about 10 seconds he comes sprinting in at speed and dives shoulder first into a back of a group of players. You have the question the mentality and mental age of such an individual. On the street that's straight forward assault
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: toby47 on June 15, 2018, 11:21:46 AM
Ten Armagh U20s suspended for their Ulster Final meeting with Derry on June 24th
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Taylor on June 15, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
Thats what I call a proper suspension.

If the GAA are consistent in doing this in all types of brawls irrespective of level it will eradicate them in no time.

Proper order.

Until the appeal comes in.

What are Armagh like at appeals? Have they any Fergal Logan types?

I would be confident we would get at least 6 of those off.......if not them all  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: armaghniac on June 15, 2018, 11:45:11 AM
Ten Armagh U20s suspended for their Ulster Final meeting with Derry on June 24th

Free the Armagh 10.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: keeperlit on June 15, 2018, 11:47:22 AM
Ten Armagh U20s suspended for their Ulster Final meeting with Derry on June 24th
Any word of who?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Tyrdub on June 15, 2018, 11:48:00 AM
Ten Armagh U20s suspended for their Ulster Final meeting with Derry on June 24th

Free the Armagh 10.

They will appeal and most, but not all, will get off
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: screenexile on June 15, 2018, 11:50:51 AM
Ten Armagh U20s suspended for their Ulster Final meeting with Derry on June 24th

Free the Armagh 10.

Remember the same thing happening in the MacRory final in 1996 after Maghera started a crazy row against poor St. Mary's who had played all the football on the day . . . I think they had 7 players suspended and it ultimately cost them the Hogan Cup that year.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: laceer on June 15, 2018, 11:51:04 AM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Jinxy on June 15, 2018, 11:51:30 AM
Thats what I call a proper suspension.

If the GAA are consistent in doing this in all types of brawls irrespective of level it will eradicate them in no time.

Proper order.

Until the appeal comes in.

What are Armagh like at appeals? Have they any Fergal Logan types?

I would be confident we would get at least 6 of those off.......if not them all  ;D ;D

The county board is forensically trawling through the tape in super slow motion as we speak.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: seafoid on June 15, 2018, 12:00:26 PM
On OTB this morning someone mentioned  Armagh v Sligo and Geezer complaining about a Tyrone ref.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: toby47 on June 15, 2018, 12:02:25 PM
Ten Armagh U20s suspended for their Ulster Final meeting with Derry on June 24th
Any word of who?

Haven't seen a list of names but 6 starters from the semi final plus 4 subs.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: yellowcard on June 15, 2018, 12:07:20 PM
On OTB this morning someone mentioned  Armagh v Sligo and Geezer complaining about a Tyrone ref.

I'm not surprised, isn't the Sligo manager a Tyrone native. A very peculiar appointment.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Estimator on June 15, 2018, 12:15:08 PM
Ten Armagh U20s suspended for their Ulster Final meeting with Derry on June 24th

Free the Armagh 10.

Remember the same thing happening in the MacRory final in 1996 after Maghera started a crazy row against poor St. Mary's who had played all the football on the day . . . I think they had 7 players suspended and it ultimately cost them the Hogan Cup that year.
Your memory is playing tricks on you SE.  Maghera had the game won, and the convent weren't happy with that.  The Convent were the only side to have a man sent off!!
In fairness, the Ulster Council/Colleges had a field day trying to hand out suspensions left, right and centre, to both teams.  From memory they tried to suspend lads from Maghera, that weren't even in the melee, but had been involved in incidents earlier in the game, where lads were booked by the ref.  They also went for the spine of the side. So the only 3 from Maghera that were actually given suspensions, were Niall Farren - Full Back, John Heaney - Centre Half Back and Paul Wilson - Midfield.

It'll be the same in this instance - They've gone for the scattergun approach to the suspensions, but I'd say 3 at most will suspended for the final.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 15, 2018, 12:17:53 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

I think that should read Armagh and Tyrone's behaviour during the game.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 15, 2018, 12:21:05 PM
Ten Armagh U20s suspended for their Ulster Final meeting with Derry on June 24th

Big winner here could be Feargal Logan, former Tyrone U21 manager. The irony...
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Itchy on June 15, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
On OTB this morning someone mentioned  Armagh v Sligo and Geezer complaining about a Tyrone ref.

And I read on twitter a prominent Sligo coach complaining about a Tyrone ref as if he would be helping his neighbours out lol
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: screenexile on June 15, 2018, 12:47:37 PM
Ten Armagh U20s suspended for their Ulster Final meeting with Derry on June 24th

Free the Armagh 10.

Remember the same thing happening in the MacRory final in 1996 after Maghera started a crazy row against poor St. Mary's who had played all the football on the day . . . I think they had 7 players suspended and it ultimately cost them the Hogan Cup that year.
Your memory is playing tricks on you SE.  Maghera had the game won, and the convent weren't happy with that.  The Convent were the only side to have a man sent off!!
In fairness, the Ulster Council/Colleges had a field day trying to hand out suspensions left, right and centre, to both teams.  From memory they tried to suspend lads from Maghera, that weren't even in the melee, but had been involved in incidents earlier in the game, where lads were booked by the ref.  They also went for the spine of the side. So the only 3 from Maghera that were actually given suspensions, were Niall Farren - Full Back, John Heaney - Centre Half Back and Paul Wilson - Midfield.

It'll be the same in this instance - They've gone for the scattergun approach to the suspensions, but I'd say 3 at most will suspended for the final.

Fake news!!! Sure how could lads who go to a school called "the convent" ever do anything wrong?!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 15, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 15, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
Tyrone corner forward must be in big trouble. If you look at the footage after about 10 seconds he comes sprinting in at speed and dives shoulder first into a back of a group of players. You have the question the mentality and mental age of such an individual. On the street that's straight forward assault

Agree Tyrone corner forward was wreckless for doing that only defence i can give for him is that fact that 5/6 Armagh thugs where attacjking a Tyrone man on the ground! But sure hey thats not uncommon in Armagh - just glad they didnt have iron bars!

But he should get a suspension for it.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: jmk on June 15, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
what would the tyrone player be suspended from unless he is underage next year.
your willingness to accept that one suspension does you great credit!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: yellowcard on June 15, 2018, 02:05:05 PM
Tyrone corner forward must be in big trouble. If you look at the footage after about 10 seconds he comes sprinting in at speed and dives shoulder first into a back of a group of players. You have the question the mentality and mental age of such an individual. On the street that's straight forward assault

And then ran away after doing it!

Were the names of the players who were suspended released?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: rrhf on June 15, 2018, 03:23:57 PM
Iíd say The subs are all gone for running in and then a couple of starters. Armagh will have exactly 15
For the Ulster final. They will have to bring in 2nd string lads for subs. With the manager suspended they will have a priest and  a physio on the bench. Armagh men are prepared to do anything to beat Tyrone it has certainly come back to haunt them. I think itís a shame that the Ulster council have basically destroyed them for this game. Derry by 5?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Itchy on June 15, 2018, 03:43:36 PM
Iíd say The subs are all gone for running in and then a couple of starters. Armagh will have exactly 15
For the Ulster final. They will have to bring in 2nd string lads for subs. With the manager suspended they will have a priest and  a physio on the bench. Armagh men are prepared to do anything to beat Tyrone it has certainly come back to haunt them. I think itís a shame that the Ulster council have basically destroyed them for this game. Derry by 5?

In fairness it was the players fighting that destroyed the game. I think the suspensions are warranted. The shitehawking by Tyrone around the referree mistake was a joke and was rightly thrown out.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 15, 2018, 03:53:20 PM
Iíd say The subs are all gone for running in and then a couple of starters. Armagh will have exactly 15
For the Ulster final. They will have to bring in 2nd string lads for subs. With the manager suspended they will have a priest and  a physio on the bench. Armagh men are prepared to do anything to beat Tyrone it has certainly come back to haunt them. I think itís a shame that the Ulster council have basically destroyed them for this game. Derry by 5?

The Armagh official all the talk is about is not the manager.
Both teams participated in melee.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: johnnycool on June 15, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
Iíd say The subs are all gone for running in and then a couple of starters. Armagh will have exactly 15
For the Ulster final. They will have to bring in 2nd string lads for subs. With the manager suspended they will have a priest and  a physio on the bench. Armagh men are prepared to do anything to beat Tyrone it has certainly come back to haunt them. I think itís a shame that the Ulster council have basically destroyed them for this game. Derry by 5?

I think a stand needs to be made when lads on the bench enter the fray and the Ulster Council did the right thing.

Just need consistency.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 04:19:49 PM
Tyrone corner forward must be in big trouble. If you look at the footage after about 10 seconds he comes sprinting in at speed and dives shoulder first into a back of a group of players. You have the question the mentality and mental age of such an individual. On the street that's straight forward assault

Agree Tyrone corner forward was wreckless for doing that only defence i can give for him is that fact that 5/6 Armagh thugs where attacjking a Tyrone man on the ground! But sure hey thats not uncommon in Armagh - just glad they didnt have iron bars!

But he should get a suspension for it.

What about the Tyrone men involved in that same incident. Are they also thugs?

If the video footage circulating is representative of all that went on then the single biggest punishment will go to that Tyrone corner forward. I would expect a fairly lengthy suspension
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 04:26:44 PM
Tyrone corner forward must be in big trouble. If you look at the footage after about 10 seconds he comes sprinting in at speed and dives shoulder first into a back of a group of players. You have the question the mentality and mental age of such an individual. On the street that's straight forward assault

And then ran away after doing it!

Were the names of the players who were suspended released?

No names yet.

Hopefully we take our medicine.

Understandable if we ask for details of the case against each of the 10. If there is footage that proves the guilt or a report from an official that confirms guilt then there should be no appeal of the verdict.

If the individual punishments are in line with the listed penalties then there should be no appeal if that either. That goes for both sides
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Bisbee on June 15, 2018, 04:27:19 PM
Really should not bite-but what the hell.
Can already see the Tyronies building this into another myth of a game in which they were merrily cantering along to victory only to be flummoxed by the shenanigans of the opposition. 
Armagh with or without the row, were full value for that win and really should have won it within normal time. They had the better players even when considering that one of their main men (OíNeil) did not have one of his best games.  They looked more likely to score goals and indeed, missed at least three excellent goal chances and a number of relatively easy frees. 
Tyrone were perhaps  slightly, just slightly more Ďpolishedí which I think reflected that they together longer as a squad and were more economical with what chances came their way.  They benefited significantly from an excellent free taker but overall did not pose the same power and pace as Armagh.   I thought the ref was very generous in allowing Tyrone enough time to eventually get an equalizer-think 4 minutes of additional time had gone by when 2 minutes were initially indicated. 
Was not at all in Armaghís interest to start a row and I do not believe for a second they went out to start a row.  Certainly, they should not have let themselves contribute to how it escalated.  The intimation here from some posters that this was somehow an attempt by Armagh to rescue something from the game is is nonsense. Both teams behaved badly in the row but the best team won that night on the scoreboard. 
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 15, 2018, 04:28:26 PM
Derry should walk this now.  No team can afford to lose a couple of starters never mind 6.  Armagh have been effectively chucked out of the championship.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: oakleaflad on June 15, 2018, 04:31:29 PM
Derry should walk this now.  No team can afford to lose a couple of starters never mind 6.  Armagh have been effectively chucked out of the championship.
Derry have done very well to get to the final given that the large percentage of their team/spine/scorers are made up of players who are U19.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 04:34:39 PM
Iíd say The subs are all gone for running in and then a couple of starters. Armagh will have exactly 15
For the Ulster final. They will have to bring in 2nd string lads for subs. With the manager suspended they will have a priest and  a physio on the bench. Armagh men are prepared to do anything to beat Tyrone it has certainly come back to haunt them. I think itís a shame that the Ulster council have basically destroyed them for this game. Derry by 5?

The Armagh official all the talk is about is not the manager.
Both teams participated in melee.

Correct.

There is a few Tyrone WUMs on here claiming we started it and did so deliberately because we were a point down. On the Armagh forum there those who say Tyrone started it and did so as a deliberate time wasting exercise as they were winning. Both ideas are equally laughable.

We need to take our punishment. We can see what Tyrone do with theirs. Martin McQuillan let himself down on the sideline. He did not lead by example when the red mist descended. He will be punished but I would be very surprised if he did not lead by example now.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: rrhf on June 15, 2018, 04:52:54 PM
I donít think too many Tyrone men were happy with the idea of the appeal. What happened wasnít good though. Thereís no sour grapes. Best of luck to Armagh in the final. Best team won.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 15, 2018, 05:04:51 PM
Thats what I call a proper suspension.

If the GAA are consistent in doing this in all types of brawls irrespective of level it will eradicate them in no time.

Proper order.

Until the appeal comes in.

What are Armagh like at appeals? Have they any Fergal Logan types?

I would be confident we would get at least 6 of those off.......if not them all  ;D ;D

Itís only proper if the ten who are suspended deserve their suspensions
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 15, 2018, 05:06:15 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 15, 2018, 05:09:08 PM
Really should not bite-but what the hell.
Can already see the Tyronies building this into another myth of a game in which they were merrily cantering along to victory only to be flummoxed by the shenanigans of the opposition. 
Armagh with or without the row, were full value for that win and really should have won it within normal time. They had the better players even when considering that one of their main men (OíNeil) did not have one of his best games.  They looked more likely to score goals and indeed, missed at least three excellent goal chances and a number of relatively easy frees. 
Tyrone were perhaps  slightly, just slightly more Ďpolishedí which I think reflected that they together longer as a squad and were more economical with what chances came their way.  They benefited significantly from an excellent free taker but overall did not pose the same power and pace as Armagh.   I thought the ref was very generous in allowing Tyrone enough time to eventually get an equalizer-think 4 minutes of additional time had gone by when 2 minutes were initially indicated. 
Was not at all in Armaghís interest to start a row and I do not believe for a second they went out to start a row.  Certainly, they should not have let themselves contribute to how it escalated.  The intimation here from some posters that this was somehow an attempt by Armagh to rescue something from the game is is nonsense. Both teams behaved badly in the row but the best team won that night on the scoreboard.

An excellent post
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2018, 05:22:06 PM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/armagh-u20-manager-guinea-pigs-391023 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/armagh-u20-manager-guinea-pigs-391023)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Therealdonald on June 15, 2018, 06:16:20 PM
One rash incident from a Tyrone player?? Thats what it came down to. What a load of balls
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: omaghjoe on June 15, 2018, 06:32:13 PM
Seems to be fairly obvious what went down here. Tyrone denied Armagh in normal time, were beating them in extra time. Armagh couldn't take it and went to town when the row broke out, Tyrone then let the row get to them and got beat.

Good work Armagh you have form for this carryon. 05 Ulster final?
Tho that came back to bit yous in the arse and it looks like the same is happening here.

Learn from your mistakes? Nah yis are not capable of that I wudnt think. And besides it wasnt really a mistake as actually winning the match/competition is not half as important as having a row with Tyrone and then castigating Tyrone as the big bad villan afterwards.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: haveaharp on June 15, 2018, 06:40:59 PM
Worse than Liverpool fans a few of ye. Embarrassing stuff.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 15, 2018, 07:27:11 PM
Seems to be fairly obvious what went down here. Tyrone denied Armagh in normal time, were beating them in extra time. Armagh couldn't take it and went to town when the row broke out, Tyrone then let the row get to them and got beat.

Good work Armagh you have form for this carryon. 05 Ulster final?
Tho that came back to bit yous in the arse and it looks like the same is happening here.

Learn from your mistakes? Nah yis are not capable of that I wudnt think. And besides it wasnt really a mistake as actually winning the match/competition is not half as important as having a row with Tyrone and then castigating Tyrone as the big bad villan afterwards.

Youíre an ejit
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: David McKeown on June 15, 2018, 08:38:49 PM
I assume the officiating team who with excellent viewing positions failed to send off seven players who apparently should have been dismissed will not be back refereeing inter county matches for a very long time.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: laceer on June 15, 2018, 09:05:18 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game

The poor behaviour I referred to during the game was the subs and officials running onto the pitch to join a row. Let the players sort it and it wouldn't have escalated.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 15, 2018, 09:29:05 PM
Iíd say The subs are all gone for running in and then a couple of starters. Armagh will have exactly 15
For the Ulster final. They will have to bring in 2nd string lads for subs. With the manager suspended they will have a priest and  a physio on the bench. Armagh men are prepared to do anything to beat Tyrone it has certainly come back to haunt them. I think itís a shame that the Ulster council have basically destroyed them for this game. Derry by 5?

The Armagh official all the talk is about is not the manager.
Both teams participated in melee.

Correct.

There is a few Tyrone WUMs on here claiming we started it and did so deliberately because we were a point down. On the Armagh forum there those who say Tyrone started it and did so as a deliberate time wasting exercise as they were winning. Both ideas are equally laughable.

We need to take our punishment. We can see what Tyrone do with theirs. Martin McQuillan let himself down on the sideline. He did not lead by example when the red mist descended. He will be punished but I would be very surprised if he did not lead by example now.

Just to state again i never said armagh started the row my opinion was that once it started they had no regard for the consequences as they believed they where beat. Hence the subs clearing the bench in quick time. Armagh claiming to be victims in this is as funny as ive seen.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: ONeill on June 15, 2018, 09:29:33 PM
I think this is a long term strategy from Bogue.

He campaigned for sanctions in the full knowledge that Tyrone may meet Fermanagh down the line in the Super 8s and Mickey may call on the U20s for numbers.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 09:36:38 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game

The poor behaviour I referred to during the game was the subs and officials running onto the pitch to join a row. Let the players sort it and it wouldn't have escalated.

Many, including all who actually know the meaning of the word would conclude that a melee that included all 30 players had in fact already "escalated".

I'm not defending those who ran on. They are bang to rights and will struggle to evade punishment
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Orchard park on June 15, 2018, 09:41:56 PM
I think this is a long term strategy from Bogue.

He campaigned for sanctions in the full knowledge that Tyrone may meet Fermanagh down the line in the Super 8s and Mickey may call on the U20s for numbers.


Not paranoid  by half.....

Mickey harsh scale shoulder chips
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 15, 2018, 09:52:32 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game

The poor behaviour I referred to during the game was the subs and officials running onto the pitch to join a row. Let the players sort it and it wouldn't have escalated.

Many, including all who actually know the meaning of the word would conclude that a melee that included all 30 players had in fact already "escalated".

I'm not defending those who ran on. They are bang to rights and will struggle to evade punishment

Manager at fault.... just get over it. Would he have done it if armagh where a point up... i doubt it!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: laceer on June 15, 2018, 10:44:53 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game

The poor behaviour I referred to during the game was the subs and officials running onto the pitch to join a row. Let the players sort it and it wouldn't have escalated.

Many, including all who actually know the meaning of the word would conclude that a melee that included all 30 players had in fact already "escalated".

I'm not defending those who ran on. They are bang to rights and will struggle to evade punishment

Further escalated, then.

Must go and hoke out the dictionary so i don't offend you in future.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 10:50:54 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game

The poor behaviour I referred to during the game was the subs and officials running onto the pitch to join a row. Let the players sort it and it wouldn't have escalated.

Many, including all who actually know the meaning of the word would conclude that a melee that included all 30 players had in fact already "escalated".

I'm not defending those who ran on. They are bang to rights and will struggle to evade punishment

Further escalated, then.

Must go and hoke out the dictionary so i don't offend you in future.

I'm more interested in your argument that the 30 man brawl didn't involve poor behaviour. And that the poor behaviour only commenced when the Tyrone and Armagh benches ran on. And that some how the 30 players sorting it out for themselves would have been ok.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 10:56:17 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game

The poor behaviour I referred to during the game was the subs and officials running onto the pitch to join a row. Let the players sort it and it wouldn't have escalated.

Many, including all who actually know the meaning of the word would conclude that a melee that included all 30 players had in fact already "escalated".

I'm not defending those who ran on. They are bang to rights and will struggle to evade punishment

Manager at fault.... just get over it. Would he have done it if armagh where a point up... i doubt it!

He was wrong to enter the pitch. He was wrong to do what he did. He has been rightly punished.

When he entered the pitch he was reacting to something. I don't think it was the scoreboard

But there was about 50 people involved in this. Events had kicked off before he got into the pitch. To focus on him as the cause is less than logical. A very great deal less than logical
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: laceer on June 15, 2018, 11:05:15 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game

The poor behaviour I referred to during the game was the subs and officials running onto the pitch to join a row. Let the players sort it and it wouldn't have escalated.

Many, including all who actually know the meaning of the word would conclude that a melee that included all 30 players had in fact already "escalated".

I'm not defending those who ran on. They are bang to rights and will struggle to evade punishment

Further escalated, then.

Must go and hoke out the dictionary so i don't offend you in future.

I'm more interested in your argument that the 30 man brawl didn't involve poor behaviour. And that the poor behaviour only commenced when the Tyrone and Armagh benches ran on. And that some how the 30 players sorting it out for themselves would have been ok.

It's not an argument, it's an opinion.

I believe that the worst behaviour on the pitch involved subs and officials joining a row.

The worst behaviour after the match (apart from the shite talked on this thread) involved appealing the result.

Twist that whatever way suits. Good luck in the final.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 11:08:55 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game

The poor behaviour I referred to during the game was the subs and officials running onto the pitch to join a row. Let the players sort it and it wouldn't have escalated.

Many, including all who actually know the meaning of the word would conclude that a melee that included all 30 players had in fact already "escalated".

I'm not defending those who ran on. They are bang to rights and will struggle to evade punishment

Further escalated, then.

Must go and hoke out the dictionary so i don't offend you in future.

I'm more interested in your argument that the 30 man brawl didn't involve poor behaviour. And that the poor behaviour only commenced when the Tyrone and Armagh benches ran on. And that some how the 30 players sorting it out for themselves would have been ok.

It's not an argument, it's an opinion.

I believe that the worst behaviour on the pitch involved subs and officials joining a row.

The worst behaviour after the match (apart from the shite talked on this thread) involved appealing the result.

Twist that whatever way suits. Good luck in the final.

An opinion based on what though?

What did you see that was worse that the Tyrone forward steaming in with the flying shoulder?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: redzone on June 15, 2018, 11:13:53 PM
Go to bed you Armagh knob Head
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 11:16:02 PM
Go to bed you Armagh knob Head

Good to have the Tyrone County Board on GAA Board
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: laceer on June 15, 2018, 11:17:30 PM
The bench emptying. 10+ suspensions suggests serious misconduct no matter how you'd like to view it.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 15, 2018, 11:18:56 PM
The bench emptying. 10+ suspensions suggests serious misconduct no matter how you'd like to view it.

Are anyone of those suspensions for something worse than the flying shoulder?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: laceer on June 15, 2018, 11:53:32 PM
f**k this is tedious.

The 'flying shoulder' was not good. Other Tyrone players also transgressed. Does that make you content?

I stand by my opinion that Armagh's behaviour on the pitch was poor (subs and officials entering the field to join a row), and Tyrone's was poor thereafter(appealing the result).

Feel free to disagree with any or all of this. Oiche Mhaith 
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: omaghjoe on June 15, 2018, 11:54:02 PM
Embarrassing episode for all sides. Armagh's behaviour during the game, and Tyrone's afterwards, has been poor.

Totally agree - best summary to date!

Except he/she left out Tyroneís behaviour during the game

The poor behaviour I referred to during the game was the subs and officials running onto the pitch to join a row. Let the players sort it and it wouldn't have escalated.

Many, including all who actually know the meaning of the word would conclude that a melee that included all 30 players had in fact already "escalated".

I'm not defending those who ran on. They are bang to rights and will struggle to evade punishment

Further escalated, then.

Must go and hoke out the dictionary so i don't offend you in future.

I'm more interested in your argument that the 30 man brawl didn't involve poor behaviour. And that the poor behaviour only commenced when the Tyrone and Armagh benches ran on. And that some how the 30 players sorting it out for themselves would have been ok.

It's not an argument, it's an opinion.

I believe that the worst behaviour on the pitch involved subs and officials joining a row.

The worst behaviour after the match (apart from the shite talked on this thread) involved appealing the result.

Twist that whatever way suits. Good luck in the final.

An opinion based on what though?

What did you see that was worse that the Tyrone forward steaming in with the flying shoulder?

Worse than that?......Everythin pretty much... that was the best thing I saw in the whole melee.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: BennyHarp on June 16, 2018, 12:25:23 AM
The bench emptying. 10+ suspensions suggests serious misconduct no matter how you'd like to view it.

Are anyone of those suspensions for something worse than the flying shoulder?

If you seriously want to have a discussion about a hierarchy of misdemeanours I would start off by saying that the coach of an underage team getting involved in a brawl with underage players top trumps nearly everything Iím afraid.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 16, 2018, 01:00:03 AM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/armagh-u20-manager-guinea-pigs-391023 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/armagh-u20-manager-guinea-pigs-391023)

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but all it took was one rash incident from a Tyrone player and it was a tinderbox.

I think this sums up armagh right here... i was embarrassed by tyrone putting in an appeal but if i was an armagh person reading this tripe in a national news forum id be more than embarrassed.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 16, 2018, 08:17:41 AM
Any word on Tyrone suspensions? If so will they affect anyone playing for seniors?

How long are the proposed Armagh suspensions?

Surely any suspensions after appeal would end any summer playing?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: The Trap on June 16, 2018, 10:40:50 AM
Peter would need to have a look on the mirror....tyrone are a point up why would they want a melee? Wasting time yes melee no......armagh were a point down with time up and seized the opportunity to get stuck into bitter rivals.. ....they then got an equaliser and lo and behold went on to win.....ulater council review footage and find that 10 of their players and manager deserve suspension....if they are shown to have struck on a video then ALL should stand......doesnt matter Peter that they got in to an ulster final and it would be devastating for these lads. This kind of incident needs to be heavily punished........oisin said it is draconian. It is not. He did say that the GAa needs to be consistent and I totally agree with him on that. We will see how many of these lads end up playing next week.....
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 16, 2018, 11:53:56 AM
f**k this is tedious.

The 'flying shoulder' was not good. Other Tyrone players also transgressed. Does that make you content?

I stand by my opinion that Armagh's behaviour on the pitch was poor (subs and officials entering the field to join a row), and Tyrone's was poor thereafter(appealing the result).

Feel free to disagree with any or all of this. Oiche Mhaith

Tyroneís behaviour on the pitch was poor also. Re the suspensions, I hope theyíre justified. Will Tyrone okayers have theirs carried over to senior football or club or are they hollow? Thatís for the guys who have played their last U20!game
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2018, 11:54:14 AM
I think the point is they wouldnt suspend a senior county team like this. Derrytresk got a similar hammer..
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 16, 2018, 12:06:05 PM
I think the point is they wouldnt suspend a senior county team like this. Derrytresk got a similar hammer..

What happens if a player is not u20 next year does the suspensions  carry over into club football ?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2018, 12:07:20 PM
I think the point is they wouldnt suspend a senior county team like this. Derrytresk got a similar hammer..

What happens if a player is not u20 next year does the suspensions  carry over into club football ?

I dunno
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 16, 2018, 12:13:25 PM
Have I got lost somewhere. Surely both teams are guilty in a melee. I have yet to see a brawl involving just one team. Both teams are to blame. Reading some Tyrone posters it would seem that they are blameless. No wonder threads involving Tyrone go on for an eternity. Man up. Admit both teams were wrong. There is too much of this going on in every county.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: barelegs on June 16, 2018, 12:26:22 PM
I haven't seen anyone from Tyrone say they were in the right. Tyrone got 7 suspensions according to Teamtalk yesterday. If Tyrone had hung on they'd have had 7 players missing from the final.

There was 2.5 minutes of 3 extra minutes played when Armagh scored the point that was a half chance for a goal. I think most people assumed the ref would blow the game up from the kick out and Armagh's last chance had gone. That's when the row started. Armagh were certainly alot quicker into the row with their subs and management. Tyrone played their part no doubt but the fear of missing a final was playing a bit more on Tyrone minds than Armagh at that stage.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: jmk on June 16, 2018, 02:52:00 PM
I haven't seen anyone from Tyrone say they were in the right. Tyrone got 7 suspensions according to Teamtalk yesterday. If Tyrone had hung on they'd have had 7 players missing from the final.

There was 2.5 minutes of 3 extra minutes played when Armagh scored the point that was a half chance for a goal. I think most people assumed the ref would blow the game up from the kick out and Armagh's last chance had gone. That's when the row started. Armagh were certainly alot quicker into the row with their subs and management. Tyrone played their part no doubt but the fear of missing a final was playing a bit more on Tyrone minds than Armagh at that stage.
If there was  at least 30 seconds still to play why would anyone assume the ref would blow full time
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: barelegs on June 16, 2018, 03:09:47 PM
I haven't seen anyone from Tyrone say they were in the right. Tyrone got 7 suspensions according to Teamtalk yesterday. If Tyrone had hung on they'd have had 7 players missing from the final.

There was 2.5 minutes of 3 extra minutes played when Armagh scored the point that was a half chance for a goal. I think most people assumed the ref would blow the game up from the kick out and Armagh's last chance had gone. That's when the row started. Armagh were certainly alot quicker into the row with their subs and management. Tyrone played their part no doubt but the fear of missing a final was playing a bit more on Tyrone minds than Armagh at that stage.
If there was  at least 30 seconds still to play why would anyone assume the ref would blow full time

When was the last time a goalkeeper kicked a ball out inside 30 seconds 3 minutes into injury time at the end of extra time? Wasn't going to be in a rush. As it happens the referee played another minute and a half when the ball was eventually kicked out and gave Armagh a chance to get the equaliser. Tyrone will learn the lesson the next time. Don't hoof the ball back to the opposition when your winning by a point in injury time! Fair play to Armagh they worked the opportunity and took their chance
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: armaghniac on June 16, 2018, 03:19:34 PM
I haven't seen anyone from Tyrone say they were in the right. Tyrone got 7 suspensions according to Teamtalk yesterday. If Tyrone had hung on they'd have had 7 players missing from the final.

There was 2.5 minutes of 3 extra minutes played when Armagh scored the point that was a half chance for a goal. I think most people assumed the ref would blow the game up from the kick out and Armagh's last chance had gone. That's when the row started. Armagh were certainly alot quicker into the row with their subs and management. Tyrone played their part no doubt but the fear of missing a final was playing a bit more on Tyrone minds than Armagh at that stage.

It is a good lesson for both sides that it is not over until it is over.
If there was  at least 30 seconds still to play why would anyone assume the ref would blow full time

When was the last time a goalkeeper kicked a ball out inside 30 seconds 3 minutes into injury time at the end of extra time? Wasn't going to be in a rush. As it happens the referee played another minute and a half when the ball was eventually kicked out and gave Armagh a chance to get the equaliser. Tyrone will learn the lesson the next time. Don't hoof the ball back to the opposition when your winning by a point in injury time! Fair play to Armagh they worked the opportunity and took their chance

it is a useful lesson that it ain't over until it is over.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: jmk on June 16, 2018, 03:32:34 PM
I haven't seen anyone from Tyrone say they were in the right. Tyrone got 7 suspensions according to Teamtalk yesterday. If Tyrone had hung on they'd have had 7 players missing from the final.

There was 2.5 minutes of 3 extra minutes played when Armagh scored the point that was a half chance for a goal. I think most people assumed the ref would blow the game up from the kick out and Armagh's last chance had gone. That's when the row started. Armagh were certainly alot quicker into the row with their subs and management. Tyrone played their part no doubt but the fear of missing a final was playing a bit more on Tyrone minds than Armagh at that stage.
Did you miss the at least part.He played 2 minutes on top of the notified injury time in normal time for tyrones equaliser
If there was  at least 30 seconds still to play why would anyone assume the ref would blow full time

When was the last time a goalkeeper kicked a ball out inside 30 seconds 3 minutes into injury time at the end of extra time? Wasn't going to be in a rush. As it happens the referee played another minute and a half when the ball was eventually kicked out and gave Armagh a chance to get the equaliser. Tyrone will learn the lesson the next time. Don't hoof the ball back to the opposition when your winning by a point in injury time! Fair play to Armagh they worked the opportunity and took their chance
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Orior on June 16, 2018, 08:59:59 PM
How many of Armagh's probable first 15 will miss the final?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 16, 2018, 11:13:17 PM
How many of Armagh's probable first 15 will miss the final?

Iíve read that of the ten who are banned 6 would be starters
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: rrhf on June 16, 2018, 11:33:38 PM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/armagh-u20-manager-guinea-pigs-391023 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/armagh-u20-manager-guinea-pigs-391023)

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but all it took was one rash incident from a Tyrone player and it was a tinderbox.

I think this sums up armagh right here... i was embarrassed by tyrone putting in an appeal but if i was an armagh person reading this tripe in a national news forum id be more than embarrassed.
Armagh are managed by 2 buck eejits. Their team would only get so far no matter how talented they might be.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 16, 2018, 11:52:00 PM
I would love Armagh to go on and win.

I won't be one of those stopping off at Clones on the way back from Clones but I will be there at both matches. I'll be there with my kids. Winning in adversity is a great lesson for kids.

My worry (got in trouble before for expressing my worries on this site) is that we go about this the wrong way. There should be no appeals for the guilty. No technicalities. Take your punishment.

Been confronted today with a bit of the usual shite about going to toe-to-toe, standing up for yourself, fighting back, you come here to box we will box etc etc. Utter dung.

Our game today is ridden with cowardice. Massed defences, lateral passing, playing for frees, constant appeals. All cowardice.

Taking your punishment, risk taking, an emphasis on skill and personal responsibility that is real bravery. Real manning up.

When a dick head hits you, hitting back doesn't make you better.

When some meathead tries to intimidate you and you have the force of character to keep your head high and take risks and display skill - that is real manliness

The future of our games relies on the bravery of coaches, disciplinary councils and rule makers as much as the bravery of players
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 17, 2018, 12:02:26 AM
I would love Armagh to go on and win.

I won't be one of those stopping off at Clones on the way back from Clones but I will be there at both matches. I'll be there with my kids. Winning in adversity is a great lesson for kids.

My worry (got in trouble before for expressing my worries on this site) is that we go about this the wrong way. There should be no appeals for the guilty. No technicalities. Take your punishment.

Been confronted today with a bit of the usual shite about going to toe-to-toe, standing up for yourself, fighting back, you come here to box we will box etc etc. Utter dung.

Our game today is ridden with cowardice. Massed defences, lateral passing, playing for frees, constant appeals. All cowardice.

Taking your punishment, risk taking, an emphasis on skill and personal responsibility that is real bravery. Real manning up.

When a dick head hits you, hitting back doesn't make you better.

When some meathead tries to intimidate you and you have the force of character to keep your head high and take risks and display skill - that is real manliness

The future of our games relies on the bravery of coaches, disciplinary councils and rule makers as much as the bravery of players

I agree with many of your sentiments.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Last Man on June 17, 2018, 02:20:54 AM
I would love Armagh to go on and win.

I won't be one of those stopping off at Clones on the way back from Clones but I will be there at both matches. I'll be there with my kids. Winning in adversity is a great lesson for kids.

My worry (got in trouble before for expressing my worries on this site) is that we go about this the wrong way. There should be no appeals for the guilty. No technicalities. Take your punishment.

Been confronted today with a bit of the usual shite about going to toe-to-toe, standing up for yourself, fighting back, you come here to box we will box etc etc. Utter dung.

Our game today is ridden with cowardice. Massed defences, lateral passing, playing for frees, constant appeals. All cowardice.

Taking your punishment, risk taking, an emphasis on skill and personal responsibility that is real bravery. Real manning up.

When a dick head hits you, hitting back doesn't make you better.

When some meathead tries to intimidate you and you have the force of character to keep your head high and take risks and display skill - that is real manliness

The future of our games relies on the bravery of coaches, disciplinary councils and rule makers as much as the bravery of players

I agree with many of your sentiments.
I agree entirely, play ball on the park and take take the rest outside the gate if you think you are the big man you think you are. Thereís been some shite preached by Gaa coaches in relation to boxing in the last few years. 
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 17, 2018, 07:35:30 AM
I would love Armagh to go on and win.

I won't be one of those stopping off at Clones on the way back from Clones but I will be there at both matches. I'll be there with my kids. Winning in adversity is a great lesson for kids.

My worry (got in trouble before for expressing my worries on this site) is that we go about this the wrong way. There should be no appeals for the guilty. No technicalities. Take your punishment.

Been confronted today with a bit of the usual shite about going to toe-to-toe, standing up for yourself, fighting back, you come here to box we will box etc etc. Utter dung.

Our game today is ridden with cowardice. Massed defences, lateral passing, playing for frees, constant appeals. All cowardice.

Taking your punishment, risk taking, an emphasis on skill and personal responsibility that is real bravery. Real manning up.

When a dick head hits you, hitting back doesn't make you better.

When some meathead tries to intimidate you and you have the force of character to keep your head high and take risks and display skill - that is real manliness

The future of our games relies on the bravery of coaches, disciplinary councils and rule makers as much as the bravery of players

Unfortunately as in life, the only person who believes he is the bigger man is the man who walked away, the perpetrator feels he has won and will continue with his thuggish action against the victim or new victims, the bystander / spectator will feel the same.  Sometimes you just have to stand up for yourself, if you don't who will?  In the case of GAA matches Croke Park has time and time again showed a complete ineptitude for dealing with thuggery on the field of play and send out mixed messages with rescinding bans etc.  My genuine worry is that such ineptitude by officials will lead to a serious injury or worse in the near future.  The game is football, if you physically strike a person with your fist, foot or head in my eyes you shouldn't be playing football and should be given a minimum 8 week / 8 game ban, this should be imposed right down the underage grades which from my experience such thuggery is par of the course at matches.   if a county board appeals and is unsuccessful, fine them 20,000 euros per appeal for wasting everyones time.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Orior on June 17, 2018, 09:42:40 AM
Yes, as long as "standing up for yourself" does not mean lowering yourself to thuggish behaviour. One retaliatory punch is enough to kill someone.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: TROUSERS on June 17, 2018, 11:06:57 AM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/armagh-u20-manager-guinea-pigs-391023 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/armagh-u20-manager-guinea-pigs-391023)

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but all it took was one rash incident from a Tyrone player and it was a tinderbox.

I think this sums up armagh right here... i was embarrassed by tyrone putting in an appeal but if i was an armagh person reading this tripe in a national news forum id be more than embarrassed.
Armagh are managed by 2 buck eejits. Their team would only get so far no matter how talented they might be.

Tyrone are managed by 2 buck eejits. Their team would only get so far no matter how talented they might be.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 18, 2018, 09:25:09 AM
was at the game and Amragh would be very close to deserving 10 suspensions. Armagh did all the fighting. I seen atleast 6 at the time striking. On 2 occasions with a tyrone player being held by an Armagh player and being struck by another. I didn't see any tyrone man throwing a punch nor backing up or standing up for their own team whilst watching them get beat up and out numbered. Although I didn't see a tyrone man striking in video footage or at the time, the goal keeper did throw the ball off the managers head (in retaliation for hitting a tyrone player) and the corner forward diving in. Personally I think tyrone got all their examples for being involved and being on the pitch when they shouldn't have been. Rightly so. Make an example out of both teams.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: yellowcard on June 18, 2018, 10:09:01 AM
It's the inconsistency that grates most people. If they ban 10 Armagh men then fine but I recall an Armagh championship match last season between Crossmaglen and Maghery where fighting spilled over into the crowd and which was more serious yet no action was taken against either club. It's this hypocrisy and inconsistency that annoys people more than anything. If they are going to ban 10 men then it can't be a once off and it needs to be applied across the board for similar incidents in future.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: jmk on June 18, 2018, 02:21:40 PM
was at the game and Amragh would be very close to deserving 10 suspensions. Armagh did all the fighting. I seen atleast 6 at the time striking. On 2 occasions with a tyrone player being held by an Armagh player and being struck by another. I didn't see any tyrone man throwing a punch nor backing up or standing up for their own team whilst watching them get beat up and out numbered. Although I didn't see a tyrone man striking in video footage or at the time, the goal keeper did throw the ball off the managers head (in retaliation for hitting a tyrone player) and the corner forward diving in. Personally I think tyrone got all their examples for being involved and being on the pitch when they shouldn't have been. Rightly so. Make an example out of both teams.
Have you been in touch with the Vatican about all these saintly Tyrone men turning the other cheek!!
Is that what the pope is really coming for-a mass sanctification ceremony in Healy Park.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 18, 2018, 02:43:33 PM
send me video footage of a tyrone man striking in this game and prove me wrong. I hope you can prove me wrong. there is plenty of evidence and footage of the other boys but.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: BennyHarp on June 18, 2018, 07:43:25 PM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: armaghniac on June 18, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

One in, all in. But it is simply a reflection of the general attitude that no club will ever own up even if one of its players decks someone or no hospital will ever own up however bad their treatment of a sick person is.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2018, 08:38:16 PM
Is it not in American football that if u appeal a suspension and fail, the suspension will is increased! Or to appeal you put up a considerable amount of money like a bond which you only get back if successful! You would need something like that for the gaelic, A lawyer needs to go the gaa handbook and tighten it up!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 18, 2018, 09:13:17 PM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

Firstly the disciplinary system is a mess. It needs a root and branch review. The rules need to be tightened and fishing expedition style appeals need to be discouraged

Each individual Armagh appeal may have merit but I agree that is unlikely. If these are appeals by or for the guilty then I agree they are shameful. It's ifs and buts though unless you know the detail. Which will probably never emerge
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 18, 2018, 09:25:20 PM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

Are we really appealing all ten? Thatís a joke.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: BennyHarp on June 18, 2018, 09:28:29 PM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

Are we really appealing all ten? Thatís a joke.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/286666
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 18, 2018, 09:31:40 PM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

Are we really appealing all ten? Thatís a joke.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/286666

I think Tyroneís appeal was vindictive. Could be wrong mind, but itís what I think. However if we are appealing because some young players are gonna miss out on a big game that is plain stupid. Obviously I dunno the grounds of the appeals or which players have been banned but from the video some players look bang to rights
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: omaghjoe on June 18, 2018, 10:01:19 PM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

Are we really appealing all ten? Thatís a joke.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/286666

I think Tyroneís appeal was vindictive. Could be wrong mind, but itís what I think. However if we are appealing because some young players are gonna miss out on a big game that is plain stupid. Obviously I dunno the grounds of the appeals or which players have been banned but from the video some players look bang to rights

What iabout appealing to punish random thugs polluting the sport
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: David McKeown on June 18, 2018, 10:25:35 PM
Is it not in American football that if u appeal a suspension and fail, the suspension will is increased! Or to appeal you put up a considerable amount of money like a bond which you only get back if successful! You would need something like that for the gaelic, A lawyer needs to go the gaa handbook and tighten it up!

Lawyers have been through them. The problem is the lack of appetite for root and branch restructuring at the upper levels. Not to mention the amount of red tape that has to be gone through to make the necessary changes.

The other more serious issue is the lack of legal qualified people sitting on the panels that hand out the bans. No point in a water tight rule book when those implementing bans don't understand it as it is.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 19, 2018, 07:52:36 AM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

The fact is there is an appeals process, Tyrone's appeal was utterly pathetic and petty, I am sure some of the Armagh appeals are based on genuine belief that there was no infraction of the rules, appealing all 10 is also pathetic, as I said before and someone else alluded to if you appeal and are unsuccessful the county board should get a huge fine for each appeal that fails.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: illdecide on June 19, 2018, 08:55:18 AM
Bottom line is if Tyrone were in the final they'd be appealing too (all suspensions), Armagh are not doing anything that any other county wouldn't do. If all 10 remain ban is it worth even turning up?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: naka on June 19, 2018, 09:00:26 AM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

Are we really appealing all ten? Thatís a joke.

why is appealing all ten a joke.
I take it you have never been involved in the legal process  ;)
its always the case you appeal all in the expectation of being successful in a few.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 19, 2018, 09:06:48 AM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: general_lee on June 19, 2018, 09:11:23 AM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!
They can only use official footage. So if they suspend players based on something that was videoed from the stand on some c***ts 3310 they very much have a leg to stand on.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 19, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY)  Sometimes people just get off!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: trailer on June 19, 2018, 10:14:32 AM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY)  Sometimes people just get off!

Do you know why he got off? Go on, enlighten us.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 19, 2018, 10:29:04 AM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY)  Sometimes people just get off!

Do you know why he got off? Go on, enlighten us.

Mistaken identity?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: JoG2 on June 19, 2018, 11:06:38 AM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!
They can only use official footage. So if they suspend players based on something that was videoed from the stand on some c***ts 3310 they very much have a leg to stand on.

Official video?? Any video footage can be used as long as its deemed reliable and unedited
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 19, 2018, 11:52:21 AM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY)  Sometimes people just get off!

Do you know why he got off? Go on, enlighten us.

Mistaken identity?

Yeah he thought he was taking the head of Tony instead!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Armamike on June 19, 2018, 12:02:47 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: DuffleKing on June 19, 2018, 01:02:01 PM

There are no appeals in place. Armagh players would have been served with proposed suspensions by the UC and they have each asked for a personal hearing to present their perspective before the sentence is passed (or otherwise). That's an exercise open to any player and part of a fair process.

If they are handed suspensions they can then appeal if they wish.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: yellowcard on June 19, 2018, 01:13:11 PM
I presume that the approach to appeal all of the suspensions is done in the hope that a few of them will be rescinded. How do you tell one fellow on a squad that you aren't appealing his suspension over another player unless the player themselves do not want to wish to appeal. The problem is the lack of consistency in dishing out suspensions in these type of brawls. At some point later on in the year (most likely a club match somewhere) we will see another one of these brawls yet the suspensions will be nowhere near as severe.

As for the U-20 final itself, unless Armagh get a few of these suspensions overturned I fear that they could be on the receiving end of a hammering by Derry.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 19, 2018, 01:32:38 PM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!
They can only use official footage. So if they suspend players based on something that was videoed from the stand on some c***ts 3310 they very much have a leg to stand on.

Official video?? Any video footage can be used as long as its deemed reliable and unedited

To be used in the gaa hearings it has to be official footage which they have. the game was videod from start to finish. Phone footage I believe can not be used in the gaa hearings. I had learnt this from another incident recently.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: JoG2 on June 19, 2018, 02:45:13 PM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!
They can only use official footage. So if they suspend players based on something that was videoed from the stand on some c***ts 3310 they very much have a leg to stand on.

Official video?? Any video footage can be used as long as its deemed reliable and unedited

To be used in the gaa hearings it has to be official footage which they have. the game was videod from start to finish. Phone footage I believe can not be used in the gaa hearings. I had learnt this from another incident recently.

They may want to revisit that incident.


(aa) The following Rules of Evidence shall apply:
(1) In general, evidence at a Hearing shall be oral,
except that:
 (i) Agreed matters of fact may be stated in
writing;
 (ii) The Hearings Committee shall attach to
documentary evidence (including video
evidence) such level of reliability as befits it
in the circumstances of the Hearing;
 (iii) Video evidence introduced by any party shall
be admissible provided that:
 (a) a copy has been furnished to all other
parties within a reasonable period prior
to the Hearing, and
 (b) the Hearings Committee is satisfied
that the video evidence is reliable and
unedited;
 
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: trailer on June 19, 2018, 04:32:52 PM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY)  Sometimes people just get off!

Do you know why he got off? Go on, enlighten us.

Mistaken identity?

Yeah he thought he was taking the head of Tony instead!

He got off because McEntee stood in front of the committee and said it was an accident in return for Philip Jordan (yeah remember him) saying the same thing about Paul McGrane who punched and concussed him.
Funny thing is, Ricey wouldn't have been suspended as the Ref had seen and dealt with the incident, McGrane on the other hand was looking at a month. Funny old world isn't it.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 19, 2018, 04:34:02 PM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

Are we really appealing all ten? Thatís a joke.

why is appealing all ten a joke.
I take it you have never been involved in the legal process  ;)
its always the case you appeal all in the expectation of being successful in a few.

No. Never have. Never appealed any of my sendings off either
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 19, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

Are we really appealing all ten? Thatís a joke.

why is appealing all ten a joke.
I take it you have never been involved in the legal process  ;)
its always the case you appeal all in the expectation of being successful in a few.

Never met a solicitor who routinely appealed every guilty verdict.

The appeals are individual. The assessments are individual and the findings are individual. Appealing 10 in order to get say 2 off would not get a better result than appealing those 2 cases.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 19, 2018, 08:13:36 PM
If u caught on video striking a player you hardly a leg to stand on! Punishment should be doubled for wasting peoples time!
They can only use official footage. So if they suspend players based on something that was videoed from the stand on some c***ts 3310 they very much have a leg to stand on.

Are you absolutely sure non official footage cannot be used?
If the referee's report said an individual hit but footage recorded on a phone proved that they didn't would the player be punished based on the referee' report?

There is also the issue of intregrity. If a team knows that a player is guilty they should not appeal.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: smelmoth on June 19, 2018, 08:19:25 PM
How do you tell one fellow on a squad that you aren't appealing his suspension over another player

Presumably you explain why you are appealing one (genuine belief that he guilty) and not the other (sight of the proof of guilt)??
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: JGDoire on June 20, 2018, 07:37:42 PM
If they have video footage of the whole game why donít they show in on the web so we can all watch the u20 championship.....alot more intriguing than the senior one :-)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 21, 2018, 02:19:04 PM
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tyroneman on June 21, 2018, 02:48:33 PM
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

What's he saying?
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 21, 2018, 03:31:16 PM
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

What's he saying?

Ten suspensions too many.

GAA is not allowing people to say who the suspensions are.

He wasn't there but he heard Tyrone started it.  ::)

He doesn't even know who the captain of the Armagh is but hes an expert on everything else.

Armagh are guinea pigs and suspensions wouldn't happen if it was seniors (bullshit)

Only good thing was that at least Wooly wasn't buying it and said it was a disgrace what the subs where at and that if it was a senior match it would have been treated the same.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Throw ball on June 21, 2018, 03:46:56 PM
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

What's he saying?

Ten suspensions too many.

GAA is not allowing people to say who the suspensions are.

He wasn't there but he heard Tyrone started it.  ::)

He doesn't even know who the captain of the Armagh is but hes an expert on everything else.

Armagh are guinea pigs and suspensions wouldn't happen if it was seniors (bullshit)

Only good thing was that at least Wooly wasn't buying it and said it was a disgrace what the subs where at and that if it was a senior match it would have been treated the same.

So let me get this right. Anyone can come on here and say what they like but if a former player comes out and says what he likes he is a mouth?

At least we all know were we stand.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 21, 2018, 03:48:15 PM
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

As opposed to your white and red tinted glasses, Jesus wept  ::)
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 21, 2018, 04:46:52 PM
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

What's he saying?

Ten suspensions too many.

GAA is not allowing people to say who the suspensions are.

He wasn't there but he heard Tyrone started it.  ::)

He doesn't even know who the captain of the Armagh is but hes an expert on everything else.

Armagh are guinea pigs and suspensions wouldn't happen if it was seniors (bullshit)

Only good thing was that at least Wooly wasn't buying it and said it was a disgrace what the subs where at and that if it was a senior match it would have been treated the same.

McDonnell was right. No way this would have happened if it was a senior game. Woolly made a tit of himself. Said the suspensions were deserved but didnít know who was suspended or what for
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 21, 2018, 05:51:54 PM
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

What's he saying?

Ten suspensions too many.

GAA is not allowing people to say who the suspensions are.

He wasn't there but he heard Tyrone started it.  ::)

He doesn't even know who the captain of the Armagh is but hes an expert on everything else.

Armagh are guinea pigs and suspensions wouldn't happen if it was seniors (bullshit)

Only good thing was that at least Wooly wasn't buying it and said it was a disgrace what the subs where at and that if it was a senior match it would have been treated the same.

McDonnell was right. No way this would have happened if it was a senior game. Woolly made a tit of himself. Said the suspensions were deserved but didnít know who was suspended or what for

You could also flip that and say sure neither does McDonnell who wasn't at the game either!

I do believe they would have did this had it been a senior Ulster championship game - If it was the Mickey Harte and the Tyrone lads that cleared the bench and did what they did I wouldn't be complaining about the suspensions.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 21, 2018, 06:08:24 PM
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

What's he saying?

Ten suspensions too many.

GAA is not allowing people to say who the suspensions are.

He wasn't there but he heard Tyrone started it.  ::)

He doesn't even know who the captain of the Armagh is but hes an expert on everything else.

Armagh are guinea pigs and suspensions wouldn't happen if it was seniors (bullshit)

Only good thing was that at least Wooly wasn't buying it and said it was a disgrace what the subs where at and that if it was a senior match it would have been treated the same.

McDonnell was right. No way this would have happened if it was a senior game. Woolly made a tit of himself. Said the suspensions were deserved but didnít know who was suspended or what for

You could also flip that and say sure neither does McDonnell who wasn't at the game either!

I do believe they would have did this had it been a senior Ulster championship game - If it was the Mickey Harte and the Tyrone lads that cleared the bench and did what they did I wouldn't be complaining about the suspensions.

I doubt very much they would have.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: omagh_gael on June 21, 2018, 09:50:35 PM
McDonnell wasn't even aware that Tyrone had 7 suspensions  arising from the melee.
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: WT4E on June 21, 2018, 09:54:34 PM
McDonnell wasn't even aware that Tyrone had 7 suspensions  arising from the melee.

LMAO - If I was trying to forge a carer in media I would try and let my head overrule my heart - it sounded embarrassing its just a pity there wasn't someone like Ger Gilroy holding the debate with him that wouldn't let him off the hook - Wooly seemed like he wasn't having it but didnt want to push it.

But if you listen to all Armagh in here - they're the poor victims!!!!!
Title: Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
Post by: tonto1888 on June 21, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
McDonnell wasn't even aware that Tyrone had 7 suspensions  arising from the melee.

Their suspensions havenít really been talked about much to be fair