Poll
Question:
Would you pay in to watch ladies football?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 65
Option 2: No
votes: 60
For the National League there was a new thread for every match on the board, running into countless pages.
The ladies finals were yesterday and nobody mentions it, does anyone actually give a shit?
As bad as it is to say I don't, unless I know some of the players involved, and suspect most people on here would be similar!
Would you ever go to watch a ladies match?
The thing is about Ladies football is that it is decades behind men's football in terms of skill levels. Now there are exceptions in every county but as the game is still relatively new and growing fast, i think for me anyway it could be another 20 years before it becomes a very popular among the viewing public.
I have no doubt it will though.
wouldnt bother going. when mayo ladies were winning all-irelands for fun i wasnt going either. dunno if its my lack of interest or lack of promotion/advertising from the gaa.
the games are slow and uninteresting. having said that stick cora staunton on a pitch in any part of the country and id say she would give most chb's a game of it.
They say Cora Staunton is the outstanding player in the ladies game, but realistically would she hold her own at decent club level against the men even?
Physical battles aside
Quote from: ExiledGael on May 07, 2007, 03:58:02 PM
They say Cora Staunton is the outstanding player in the ladies game, but realistically would she hold her own at decent club level against the men even?
Physical battles aside
ya id say she probably would. down in mayo she has a reputation as being a very tough competitor and we can all see on TG4 her scoring exploits. she might be caught for speed tho.
Lads, it's a bit harsh to judge the worth of ladies football on how well the players would do in the mens game. I enjoy watching the games to be honest (goalies are always brutal though) and I think they deserve our respect for the effort and time they put in.
They should stick to making the tea & sandwiches after the games
Its hard for them to get news reports on the papers up against the mens as the interest just isnt there.
However their website is second to none www.ladiesgaelic.ie
The gaa.ie could learn a lot off them, pictures from all their games and news stories have a lot of local angles on them instead of just catering for the intercounty stars
if anyone care to watch a ladies match i can tell you that the skill levels are indeed very high at all grades. while watching my younger sisters matches i see some very interesting physical battles. ok because they may be smaller in proportion to men does not mean they cant take a hit. none of us would stand up to a man twice our size so why should they???
See short videos from today's Ulster Ladies Finals in Celtic Park, Fermanagh scoring a goal against Down..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKSXJ1ABvmw&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKSXJ1ABvmw&feature=youtu.be) and Monaghan's goal effort against Tyrone clearly crossing the line here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YcxiqGyYpw&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YcxiqGyYpw&feature=youtu.be)
Video: Seamus 'Banty' McEneaney is helping out Monaghan Ladies in their quest for All Ireland glory. See an interview after yesterday's Ulster SFC Final win: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcBQMlPBfR8&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcBQMlPBfR8&feature=youtu.be)
Theres lots of mens football and hurling that I wouldn't pay in to watch, so it would have nothing to do with it being ladies. Firstly it would depend on whether I had any personal interest in the game, and secondly the quality of what was on offer. Without comparing it to the mens game, what you see on telly looks to be good entertaining competitive sport.
Again Ladies football try things out. Be interesting to have the Ref's view when they call a free.
RefCam makes debut for TG4 Ladies SFC
15 July 2013
Cavan referee Maggie Farrelly displays the RefCam at Croke Park
RefCam makes debut for TG4 Ladies SFC
At the launch of the 2013 Ladies Football Championships it was announced that RefCam will be used for the first time during the 40th TG4 Senior Ladies Football Championship.
RefCam will be pilot by TG4 throughout the championship and will be debuted in the Senior Championship Qualifier in July 27th.
The Refcam is a head mounted unit with the camera above the ear connected to a transmitter on a light weight vest that is worn under the standard jersey. The picture is then available live to the viewer at home to give a refs-eye view of the action.
It is hoped that the new piece of technology will be a hugely valuable piece of technology for the development and education of referees and has already proven to be a huge success in other codes.
RefCam will be used at the 40th Ladies All Ireland Finals due to be played in Croke Park on September 29th. - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=196660#sthash.CNrbfPMp.dpuf
It's a very well-managed code. The mens' game is only starting to catch up with things like the stoppable clock and there's little doubt we'll see ref cams in the mens' game soon enough too.
Longford are All-Ireland (Junior) champions - well done the Larries.
Jaysus your eardrums would take some battering at HQ today!!!
Good games so far. Some turnaround by Clare in the last 6 minutes or so and they have real momentum going into the second half now.
Thon big Kildare goalkeeper is gonna kill one of them wee girls :o
Quote from: AQMP on September 25, 2016, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 25, 2016, 01:17:05 PM
Longford are All-Ireland (Junior) champions - well done the Larries.
At the expense of our Saffronettes...well done Longford!
Thanks, we'll take what we get. ;)
Great intermediate final which went down to the wire. Well done Kildare!
Tough conditions for the final with the rain coming down very heavily now. Cork have a very defensive set up which is surprising for a team with Kilkenny-like dominance in the past decade. Dublin just can't break it down at the moment though they look well capable of winning it if they can find the scores.
Dublin much the better but only lead 0-3 to 0-4 at HT due to Cork's defensive set up, poor shooting and decision making at times. Incredibly there are players out there without gloves!
Bad from the umpires for that Dublin point. I wonder whose decision it was not to have hawkeye active
Brutal, is Hawkeye not allowed for ladies football?
Like the men's final the quality isn't the highest but there's savage intensity as both teams really go for this.
What the feck has just happened to the TG4 stream?????
Eh, is the clock not supposed to stop during breaks in play?
There should have been at least 20 seconds left after the penalty because the clock ran on for about 10 seconds after the last Dublin free alone.
Would hate to see the clock come into the mens' game to be honest.
More trouble than it's worth.
Late penalty for Dublin resulting in a 1pt win for cork makes that disallowed point all the harder to take
Well having watched about 3 hours of ladies football the bloody TG4 stream crashed with about 10 minutes left in the senior final and I couldn't even access the website!!! Well pissed off now!
Of the portion of the game I did see Dublin were much the better team and will rue their missed chances and a clear point not given.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2016, 05:23:59 PM
Eh, is the clock not supposed to stop during breaks in play?
There should have been at least 20 seconds left after the penalty because the clock ran on for about 10 seconds after the last Dublin free alone.
Would hate to see the clock come into the mens' game to be honest.
More trouble than it's worth.
Same happened in the Semi Mayo/Dublin. Dublin got a free with one minute to go and ran it down to the last seconds before kicking point. Rugby has the best way with clock stopping and last play is until the ball goes dead!
Just as the leaves fall from the trees in Autumn, Cork are AI champions. Incredible to think that entering 2005 they hadn't even contested an AI final and they've now won their 11th in 12 seasons.
Dublin to win the replay
Cork have to offer them a replay in fairness.
It's the womanly thing to do.
#womanliness
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
Cork have to offer them a replay in fairness.
It's the womanly thing to do.
#womanliness
Meath would...
Disagree with the use of the clock. It's the best and most transparent way of timekeeping IF it's used properly. Rugby is the best example of this.
(http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/2995728/original/?width=500&version=2995728)
In rugby you can't really let your full back and wingers play pass the parcel for the last 2 minutes of a game.
AT some point, people will need to grasp the fact that rugby is a completely different game and you can't just copy and paste their rules into the GAA.
Soccer is much closer to gaelic football in terms of game dynamics and they don't have a clock.
Women's GAA is crap.
The pace of the games is incredibly slow, the fitness isn't very good, the skills are awful - the players find it difficult to solo the ball, they can't shoot, they keep dropping the ball. Players more often than not panic when in possession. They don't appear to have much tactical nous or spatial awareness you regularly see passes aimed at where the target recipient is rather than the position they should be expected to run into. Women's GAA players do not train just as hard as men, and it shows, so let's stop hearing that they do.
The coverage of the games is also incredibly patronising - it's similar to what you get for the Paralympics - pretty much no criticism is ever allowed of either camogie or women's Gaelic football and "the standard" is always praised, even if it's really, really bad, as it was today, and constant references are made to how much the games are "growing".
The camogie and women's football associations themselves are painted as forward thinking even though ridiculous situations often crop up on their watch, like in the camogie last year when they changed the rules to have a play-off and then made Dublin play the next day (possibly two days, can't remember for sure) after winning the play-off.
The countdown clock is a really poor system, is far too open to time wasting and rewards cynical fouls towards the end of the game.
That point that was given as a wide today was farcical. Why was HawkEye not used?
Until the coverage stops being patronising and brushing the poor standard under the carpet women's GAA cannot expect to be taken in any way seriously as proper sport.
Women's tennis, gymnastics, athletics and probably a few other individual sports can be taken seriously. Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
Obviously there's always going to be a massive gap between it and men's hurling and football but what's on show year after year is undoubtedly a poor product compared to what it could be.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2016, 06:00:29 PM
In rugby you can't really let your full back and wingers play pass the parcel for the last 2 minutes of a game.
AT some point, people will need to grasp the fact that rugby is a completely different game and you can't just copy and paste their rules into the GAA.
Soccer is much closer to gaelic football in terms of game dynamics and they don't have a clock.
And how would bringing in a clock lead to this being introduced as a tactic?
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:13:03 PM
Women's GAA is crap.
The pace of the games is incredibly slow, the fitness isn't very good, the skills are awful - the players find it difficult to solo the ball, they can't shoot, they keep dropping the ball. Players more often than not panic when in possession. They don't appear to have much tactical nous or spatial awareness you regularly see passes aimed at where the target recipient is rather than the position they should be expected to run into. Women's GAA players do not train just as hard as men, and it shows, so let's stop hearing that they do.
The coverage of the games is also incredibly patronising - it's similar to what you get for the Paralympics - pretty much no criticism is ever allowed of either camogie or women's Gaelic football and "the standard" is always praised, even if it's really, really bad, as it was today, and constant references are made to how much the games are "growing".
The camogie and women's football associations themselves are painted as forward thinking even though ridiculous situations often crop up on their watch, like in the camogie last year when they changed the rules to have a play-off and then made Dublin play the next day (possibly two days, can't remember for sure) after winning the play-off.
The countdown clock is a really poor system, is far too open to time wasting and rewards cynical fouls towards the end of the game.
That point that was given as a wide today was farcical. Why was HawkEye not used?
Until the coverage stops being patronising and brushing the poor standard under the carpet women's GAA cannot expect to be taken in any way seriously as proper sport.
Women's tennis, gymnastics, athletics and probably a few other individual sports can be taken seriously. Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
Obviously there's always going to be a massive gap between it and men's hurling and football but what's on show year after year is undoubtedly a poor product compared to what it could be.
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:13:03 PM
Women's GAA is crap.
The pace of the games is incredibly slow, the fitness isn't very good, the skills are awful - the players find it difficult to solo the ball, they can't shoot, they keep dropping the ball. Players more often than not panic when in possession. They don't appear to have much tactical nous or spatial awareness you regularly see passes aimed at where the target recipient is rather than the position they should be expected to run into. Women's GAA players do not train just as hard as men, and it shows, so let's stop hearing that they do.
The coverage of the games is also incredibly patronising - it's similar to what you get for the Paralympics - pretty much no criticism is ever allowed of either camogie or women's Gaelic football and "the standard" is always praised, even if it's really, really bad, as it was today, and constant references are made to how much the games are "growing".
The camogie and women's football associations themselves are painted as forward thinking even though ridiculous situations often crop up on their watch, like in the camogie last year when they changed the rules to have a play-off and then made Dublin play the next day (possibly two days, can't remember for sure) after winning the play-off.
The countdown clock is a really poor system, is far too open to time wasting and rewards cynical fouls towards the end of the game.
That point that was given as a wide today was farcical. Why was HawkEye not used?
Until the coverage stops being patronising and brushing the poor standard under the carpet women's GAA cannot expect to be taken in any way seriously as proper sport.
Women's tennis, gymnastics, athletics and probably a few other individual sports can be taken seriously. Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
Obviously there's always going to be a massive gap between it and men's hurling and football but what's on show year after year is undoubtedly a poor product compared to what it could be.
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
First time for everything but I agree entirely Zulu.
This was the best attended AI final in history at 34,000 in pissing rain. Must be doing something right.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:13:03 PM
Women's GAA is crap.
The pace of the games is incredibly slow, the fitness isn't very good, the skills are awful - the players find it difficult to solo the ball, they can't shoot, they keep dropping the ball. Players more often than not panic when in possession. They don't appear to thave much tactical nous or spatial awareness you regularly see passes aimed at where the target recipient is rather than the position they should be expected to run into. Women's GAA players do not train just as hard as men, and it shows, so let's stop hearing that they do.
The coverage of the games is also incredibly patronising - it's similar to what you get for the Paralympics - pretty much no criticism is ever allowed of either camogie or women's Gaelic football and "the standard" is always praised, even if it's really, really bad, as it was today, and constant references are made to how much the games are "growing".
The camogie and women's football associations themselves are painted as forward thinking even though ridiculous situations often crop up on their watch, like in the camogie last year when they changed the rules to have a play-off and then made Dublin play the next day (possibly two days, can't remember for sure) after winning the play-off.
The countdown clock is a really poor system, is far too open to time wasting and rewards cynical fouls towards the end of the game.
That point that was given as a wide today was farcical. Why was HawkEye not used?
Until the coverage stops being patronising and brushing the poor standard under the carpet women's GAA cannot expect to be taken in any way seriously as proper sport.
Women's tennis, gymnastics, athletics and probably a few other individual sports can be taken seriously. Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
Obviously there's always going to be a massive gap between it and men's hurling and football but what's on show year after year is undoubtedly a poor product compared to what it could be.
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
Agreed Zulu, total bollix.
Most absurd post I've seen in a long time or someone just trying to be deliberately controversial knowing the reaction.
replay needed
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.
Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.
I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.
Better team won however no team should be allowed to win or lose All Ireland final like that. No debate it has to be replayed.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.
Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.
I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.
I agree with everything you said there.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:13:03 PM
Women's GAA is crap.
The pace of the games is incredibly slow, the fitness isn't very good, the skills are awful - the players find it difficult to solo the ball, they can't shoot, they keep dropping the ball. Players more often than not panic when in possession. They don't appear to have much tactical nous or spatial awareness you regularly see passes aimed at where the target recipient is rather than the position they should be expected to run into. Women's GAA players do not train just as hard as men, and it shows, so let's stop hearing that they do.
The coverage of the games is also incredibly patronising - it's similar to what you get for the Paralympics - pretty much no criticism is ever allowed of either camogie or women's Gaelic football and "the standard" is always praised, even if it's really, really bad, as it was today, and constant references are made to how much the games are "growing".
The camogie and women's football associations themselves are painted as forward thinking even though ridiculous situations often crop up on their watch, like in the camogie last year when they changed the rules to have a play-off and then made Dublin play the next day (possibly two days, can't remember for sure) after winning the play-off.
The countdown clock is a really poor system, is far too open to time wasting and rewards cynical fouls towards the end of the game.
That point that was given as a wide today was farcical. Why was HawkEye not used?
Until the coverage stops being patronising and brushing the poor standard under the carpet women's GAA cannot expect to be taken in any way seriously as proper sport.
Women's tennis, gymnastics, athletics and probably a few other individual sports can be taken seriously. Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
Obviously there's always going to be a massive gap between it and men's hurling and football but what's on show year after year is undoubtedly a poor product compared to what it could be.
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
That's politically correct nonsense. The standard was and is dreadful. You can deny it all you want but lots of effort and running doesn't equal ability to kick the ball, pass the ball, make good decisions around when and where to pass the ball and most of all be able to kick the bloody ball over the bar from 20m out unchallenged.
34k people turning up to watch & scream incessantly whether it's wide or a score or whatever doesn't make it a good standard either. Just confirms they have done very well to market the game particularly to kids.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.
Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.
I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.
I agree with everything you said there.
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with men claiming the earth is flat.
The reason given for the non-use of HawkEye was that it "hasn't been passed at the Congress".
So, why not?
HawkEye has been in use in Croke Park since the 2013 championships. It's no longer a new innovation and the LGFA cannot say they were not aware of it. They've had ample time to make it part of their game and no real reason for not doing so.
Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle is dead right when he says the non use of HawkEye is an equality issue. As I said, the LGFA are painted as being "forward thinking" but this is a clear example of where they have let down their players.
If nothing else comes out of Dublin's last minute penalty, at least it surely means the LGFA and the Camogie Association will be embarrassed into using HawkEye at the finals next year.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 25, 2016, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:13:03 PM
Women's GAA is crap.
The pace of the games is incredibly slow, the fitness isn't very good, the skills are awful - the players find it difficult to solo the ball, they can't shoot, they keep dropping the ball. Players more often than not panic when in possession. They don't appear to have much tactical nous or spatial awareness you regularly see passes aimed at where the target recipient is rather than the position they should be expected to run into. Women's GAA players do not train just as hard as men, and it shows, so let's stop hearing that they do.
The coverage of the games is also incredibly patronising - it's similar to what you get for the Paralympics - pretty much no criticism is ever allowed of either camogie or women's Gaelic football and "the standard" is always praised, even if it's really, really bad, as it was today, and constant references are made to how much the games are "growing".
The camogie and women's football associations themselves are painted as forward thinking even though ridiculous situations often crop up on their watch, like in the camogie last year when they changed the rules to have a play-off and then made Dublin play the next day (possibly two days, can't remember for sure) after winning the play-off.
The countdown clock is a really poor system, is far too open to time wasting and rewards cynical fouls towards the end of the game.
That point that was given as a wide today was farcical. Why was HawkEye not used?
Until the coverage stops being patronising and brushing the poor standard under the carpet women's GAA cannot expect to be taken in any way seriously as proper sport.
Women's tennis, gymnastics, athletics and probably a few other individual sports can be taken seriously. Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
Obviously there's always going to be a massive gap between it and men's hurling and football but what's on show year after year is undoubtedly a poor product compared to what it could be.
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
That's politically correct nonsense. The standard was and is dreadful. You can deny it all you want but lots of effort and running doesn't equal ability to kick the ball, pass the ball, make good decisions around when and where to pass the ball and most of all be able to kick the bloody ball over the bar from 20m out unchallenged.
34k people turning up to watch & scream incessantly whether it's wide or a score or whatever doesn't make it a good standard either. Just confirms they have done very well to market the game particularly to kids.
Spare me the PC nonsense. Did you watch all three games? If you did you'd know there were some very fine scores today and I seem to recall your own Johnny Cooper missing a shot from about 25 yards out in front of the posts last Sunday and he wasn't the only Dub to do it. You don't have to search hard for some pretty pathetic shooting in the men's game either. And as for this -
You can deny it all you want but lots of effort and running doesn't equal ability to kick the ball, pass the ball, make good decisions around when and where to pass the ball and most of all be able to kick the bloody ball over the bar from 20m out unchallenged.
Christ that could be the slogan for the men's game in recent times.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
The reason given for the non-use of HawkEye was that it "hasn't been passed at the Congress".
So, why not?
HawkEye has been in use in Croke Park since the 2013 championships. It's no longer a new innovation and the LGFA cannot say they were not aware of it. They've had ample time to make it part of their game and no real reason for not doing so.
Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle is dead right when he says the non use of HawkEye is an equality issue. As I said, the LGFA are painted as being "forward thinking" but this is a clear example of where they have let down their players.
If nothing else comes out of Dublin's last minute penalty, at least it surely means the LGFA and the Camogie Association will be embarrassed into using HawkEye at the finals next year.
An entirely different issue but the point was fairly clear anyway so the issue is how two lads in good positions both missed it. Nevertheless HE should be introduced.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.
Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.
Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.
I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.
Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.
I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.
I agree with everything you said there.
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
You seem to be one with his head buried in the sand about the state of ladies football.
Tiddling 20 yard frees with a size 4 ball into the keepers hands is embarrassing.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.
Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.
Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.
I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.
The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.
The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.
Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.
Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.
I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.
The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.
The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.
Huge physicality??? ;D
I can't actually tell if you are on the wind up here.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.
Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.
I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.
I agree with everything you said there.
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
You seem to be one with his head buried in the sand about the state of ladies football.
Tiddling 20 yard frees with a size 4 ball into the keepers hands is embarrassing.
Nope but feel free to console yourself with the delusion that if you think something it must be right. Again I wouldn't have to check hard for some fairly embarrassing efforts on goal by Tyrone but we don't seem to claim our men's representatives can't play the game.
The ladies game is a stand alone sport and measured as that it is a very good one. But lads if you don't like it don't watch it. I think soccer is the most boring non-entity of sport on Gods green earth and as such I just don't watch it very often. You can do the same with ladies football if you like.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.
Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.
Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.
I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.
The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.
The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.
Huge physicality??? ;D
I can't actually tell if you are on the wind up here.
Huge physicality yes. Again unless you are comparing it to the men's game then it is very right to say that when there were girls throwing themselves into tackles and contests for the ball.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.
Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.
Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.
I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.
The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.
The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.
The standard regardless of comparison to men's, boys or whatever is poor. If you think otherwise and are happy to watch it, pay into games or whatever, well knock yourself out.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.
Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.
I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.
I agree with everything you said there.
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
You seem to be one with his head buried in the sand about the state of ladies football.
Tiddling 20 yard frees with a size 4 ball into the keepers hands is embarrassing.
Nope but feel free to console yourself with the delusion that if you think something it must be right. Again I wouldn't have to check hard for some fairly embarrassing efforts on goal by Tyrone but we don't seem to claim our men's representatives can't play the game.
The ladies game is a stand alone sport and measured as that it is a very good one. But lads if you don't like it don't watch it. I think soccer is the most boring non-entity of sport on Gods green earth and as such I just don't watch it very often. You can do the same with ladies football if you like.
You not liking soccer probably shows you up a philistine.
You bigging up the standard of ladies gaelic football and the "huge physicality" in it probably shows you up as a raving lunatic.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 25, 2016, 07:28:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.
Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.
Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.
I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.
The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.
The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.
The standard regardless of comparison to men's, boys or whatever is poor. If you think otherwise and are happy to watch it, pay into games or whatever, well knock yourself out.
But it isn't and thank you I will continue to watch it.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.
Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.
I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.
I agree with everything you said there.
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
You seem to be one with his head buried in the sand about the state of ladies football.
Tiddling 20 yard frees with a size 4 ball into the keepers hands is embarrassing.
Nope but feel free to console yourself with the delusion that if you think something it must be right. Again I wouldn't have to check hard for some fairly embarrassing efforts on goal by Tyrone but we don't seem to claim our men's representatives can't play the game.
The ladies game is a stand alone sport and measured as that it is a very good one. But lads if you don't like it don't watch it. I think soccer is the most boring non-entity of sport on Gods green earth and as such I just don't watch it very often. You can do the same with ladies football if you like.
You not liking soccer probably shows you up a philistine.
You bigging up the standard of ladies gaelic football and the "huge physicality" in it probably shows you up as a raving lunatic.
Well I'm happy not to heed the opinion on the quality of sports from a supporter of the over hyped, soulless drivel that is soccer.
For what it's worth I thought it was a very good game with tough 50/50 challenges. You can't expect women to be putting over 45s or hitting as hard as the men but that's understandable. That game today was better than many of the men's games this summer
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:18:37 PM
The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.
The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.
I disagree for the reasons I've already gone into. I thought it was a really poor spectacle especially for the game's showpiece occasion.
I remember Monaghan beating Waterford 2-14 to 1-16 in 1997 and today's game wasn't a patch on that.
You mentioned Jonny Cooper missing an easy shot last week. It was an easy shot and it was a terrible miss - it was rightly called as a terrible miss and people were not afraid to say that the game was a poor one afterwards.
Far too many times terrible misses or goalkeeping mistakes in women's GAA are not called such and it's an insult to the intelligence of those watching - the point is the standard could be far better than it is, but the games seem content merely to get to a level where they can draw reasonable crowds to finals rather than raising the standard.
Staying in such a comfort zone does no credit to the games.
Women's GAA either wants to be treated as serious sport or it doesn't - and a large part of that is accepting that criticism will be aimed at teams, players, management and the standard of the games in general.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:37:30 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 25, 2016, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.
This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.
Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.
I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.
I agree with everything you said there.
Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -
Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".
- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.
You seem to be one with his head buried in the sand about the state of ladies football.
Tiddling 20 yard frees with a size 4 ball into the keepers hands is embarrassing.
Nope but feel free to console yourself with the delusion that if you think something it must be right. Again I wouldn't have to check hard for some fairly embarrassing efforts on goal by Tyrone but we don't seem to claim our men's representatives can't play the game.
The ladies game is a stand alone sport and measured as that it is a very good one. But lads if you don't like it don't watch it. I think soccer is the most boring non-entity of sport on Gods green earth and as such I just don't watch it very often. You can do the same with ladies football if you like.
You not liking soccer probably shows you up a philistine.
You bigging up the standard of ladies gaelic football and the "huge physicality" in it probably shows you up as a raving lunatic.
Well I'm happy not to heed the opinion on the quality of sports from a supporter of the over hyped, soulless drivel that is soccer.
Cracking game in store at the Artemio Franchi this evening, but if you like the incessant screeching of 10 year old girls for an atmosphere then please yourself.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 25, 2016, 07:38:20 PM
For what it's worth I thought it was a very good game with tough 50/50 challenges. You can't expect women to be putting over 45s or hitting as hard as the men but that's understandable. That game today was better than many of the men's games this summer
I'm no critic of political correctness as I think overall it's certainly a beneficial thing for society but that's the type of nonsense that gives it a bad name.
In no way was that game on the same planet as any men's game this year, or ever.
The reality is any decent under 12 or certainly under 14 boys team would comfortably beat the best the women have to offer.
If only this site had a modicum of moderation.
I attended the Ulster Final this year, believe me, today's game was better
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:18:37 PM
The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.
The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.
I disagree for the reasons I've already gone into. I thought it was a really poor spectacle especially for the game's showpiece occasion.
I remember Monaghan beating Waterford 2-14 to 1-16 in 1997 and today's game wasn't a patch on that.
You mentioned Jonny Cooper missing an easy shot last week. It was an easy shot and it was a terrible miss - it was rightly called as a terrible miss and people were not afraid to say that the game was a poor one afterwards.
Far too many times terrible misses or goalkeeping mistakes in women's GAA are not called such and it's an insult to the intelligence of those watching - the point is the standard could be far better than it is, but the games seem content merely to get to a level where they can draw reasonable crowds to finals rather than raising the standard.
Staying in such a comfort zone does no credit to the games.
Women's GAA either wants to be treated as serious sport or it doesn't - and a large part of that is accepting that criticism will be aimed at teams, players, management and the standard of the games in general.
You're entitled to your opinion of course but picking out one game from 1997 and comparing it to one game in 2016 is not a good way to assess the development of the game. However, I think the game has come on in leaps and bounds and there have been plenty of cracking games in the recent past.
I don't get this idea that there is a lack of criticism either and that increasing (media, is it?) criticism will propel the game forward. I coach young girls and boys teams and the girls are treated the same as the boys and want to achieve the same as the boys. The game is, and will continue to develop as a sport and players will continue to get better.
I think the standard, if you don't compare to men's, is very high and some of the players are genuinely excellent regardless of the standard you hold them to.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 25, 2016, 07:56:10 PM
I attended the Ulster Final this year, believe me, today's game was better
Stay away from Ulster finals anymore, they sell out and we can't be doing with fellas who would rather watch womens football there taking a seat.
I doubt you'd see anything likes the point taking of display in the Ulster final from McHugh, McNiallais, Harte, Cavanagh or a hit like Monroe on McGlynn late on in a women's match, ever.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 08:01:57 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 25, 2016, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 07:18:37 PM
The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.
The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.
I disagree for the reasons I've already gone into. I thought it was a really poor spectacle especially for the game's showpiece occasion.
I remember Monaghan beating Waterford 2-14 to 1-16 in 1997 and today's game wasn't a patch on that.
You mentioned Jonny Cooper missing an easy shot last week. It was an easy shot and it was a terrible miss - it was rightly called as a terrible miss and people were not afraid to say that the game was a poor one afterwards.
Far too many times terrible misses or goalkeeping mistakes in women's GAA are not called such and it's an insult to the intelligence of those watching - the point is the standard could be far better than it is, but the games seem content merely to get to a level where they can draw reasonable crowds to finals rather than raising the standard.
Staying in such a comfort zone does no credit to the games.
Women's GAA either wants to be treated as serious sport or it doesn't - and a large part of that is accepting that criticism will be aimed at teams, players, management and the standard of the games in general.
You're entitled to your opinion of course but picking out one game from 1997 and comparing it to one game in 2016 is not a good way to assess the development of the game. However, I think the game has come on in leaps and bounds and there have been plenty of cracking games in the recent past.
I don't get this idea that there is a lack of criticism either and that increasing (media, is it?) criticism will propel the game forward. I coach young girls and boys teams and the girls are treated the same as the boys and want to achieve the same as the boys. The game is, and will continue to develop as a sport and players will continue to get better.
I think the standard, if you don't compare to men's, is very high and some of the players are genuinely excellent regardless of the standard you hold them to.
Nobody is asking that women's football has the same absolute standard as men's, particularly in terms of physicality, which would obviously be absurd.
What I want to see in a game is:
i) players who can be relied on to score when they get free and put the ball over the bar at least 50% of the time when under pressure, and if they fail to score, to at least get close.
ii) Good kicking skills in general.
iii) Composure on the ball, an ability to make good decisions under pressure.
iv) A high standard of fitness relative to the amount of time played in the match.
v) Genuine tactical awareness.
I saw little of any of those five today, Cork won because they had more of iii) and v) and paced themselves better throughout the game. Dublin completely lost their legs early in the second half, and their heads had already gone before that.
The sport has a future, but it needs to raise the bar a lot higher than it was raised today and a lot higher than it's raised in general.
Women in sports such as athletics, tennis, gymnastics, hockey etc. train just as hard as men do.
If women's GAA players don't do the same it can't ever be taken remotely as seriously. The poor skill levels (for which there is no excuse and which are rectifiable with enough practice) are a dead giveaway that that isn't happening at the moment. If the game wants to be taken seriously, its players have to put in at least something approaching similar commitment to what the men do, otherwise there's no way it can be classed as elite. People might think think it's absurd to ask women to put in similar commitment to what men do, but that's the reality of what top level sport is and to say otherwise is to do the sport a disservice.
The basic skills at IC level are very high and to say otherwise is absurd. Score taking is certainly an area that can be improved but to say the general skill levels are poor is simply not true.
Can you elaborate on how you know women in sports such as hockey and rugby train as hard as men do but that ladies footballers don't?
By the way, the ladies game has nowhere near the level of financial support that the men's game does so if there is a preparation gap, which I don't know there is, then it isn't because the sport doesn't want to be taken seriously.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 08:38:28 PM
The basic skills at IC level are very high and to say otherwise is absurd. Score taking is certainly an area that can be improved but to say the general skill levels are poor is simply not true.
Can you elaborate on how you know women in sports such as hockey and rugby train as hard as men do but that ladies footballers don't?
By the way, the ladies game has nowhere near the level of financial support that the men's game does so if there is a preparation gap, which I don't know there is, then it isn't because the sport doesn't want to be taken seriously.
Didn't say female rugby players train as hard as the men. I doubt they do.
Hockey players and rowers for sure do, athletes, gymnasts and tennis players also. Pretty much all sports in which the Olympics is the pinnacle command equal dedication from women I would say. Katie Taylor puts the same amount of time and dedication into her sport as any male amateur boxer in this country.
Even without the same level of funding as the men, women's GAA players should at least be looking to train as hard as men's inter-county players did, say, 10-15 years ago and administrators should looking to attract better sponsorship towards that. It's difficult but it can become a virtuous circle if enough effort is put in - if the standard visibly improves more businesses will want to be involved. Croke Park in September live on national television is an attractive showcase to offer.
So you don't know that ladies footballers don't put in similar effort as their male counterparts?
So when you were comparing ladies football to other sports you were comparing county level amateur footballers to professional international athletes?
To the best of my knowledge IC ladies footballers put in a similar level of preparation to their male counterparts and certainly compare favourably with men's IC teams from 10 or 15 years ago. Where are you getting the idea they don't?
Re womens' rugby, half the national team are ex-GAA players.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 09:26:41 PM
So you don't know that ladies footballers don't put in similar effort as their male counterparts?
So when you were comparing ladies football to other sports you were comparing county level amateur footballers to professional international athletes?
To the best of my knowledge IC ladies footballers put in a similar level of preparation to their male counterparts and certainly compare favourably with men's IC teams from 10 or 15 years ago. Where are you getting the idea they don't?
I very, very, very strongly doubt that the Cork and Dublin players we saw today are putting in anywhere near the level of preparation or the level of effort required for it of the Dublin and Mayo players we saw last week.
For one, the Dublin players absolutely tanked early in the second half, and Cork themselves coasted through the first half. This would not be happening were the players putting in anywhere near the preparation of their male counterparts.
The fitness levels and the skill levels are simply on a different planet in the men's game.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2016, 10:25:25 PM
Re womens' rugby, half the national team are ex-GAA players.
And it shows, an awfully awful shit standard is women's rugby.
Women's camoige and football would be streets ahead skill level wise.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 26, 2016, 10:08:20 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2016, 10:25:25 PM
Re womens' rugby, half the national team are ex-GAA players.
And it shows, an awfully awful shit standard is women's rugby.
Women's camoige and football would be streets ahead skill level wise.
But they can beat the All Blacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUDf-Mza9E
I imagine most supporters would gladly swap a few months in the gym for the lads if they had the balls to beat the All Blacks
Some exciting games yesterday in poor conditions. Poor shooting and decision making by the Dubs, when the game was there for them.
Too much being made of lack of Hawkeye. The expense of HE is not really needed at present in ladies football, because it's very rare the ball is hit over the top of the posts, when it becomes difficult for an umpire to make a call.
The decision yesterday was purely down to incompetent umpires. Was in no shape or form a difficult decision. The lad behind the goals had the perfect view, and made a complete hames of it. He knew it as well, in my view, but was too cowardly to over-rule his colleague who'd waved his arms for wide.
The countdown clock would be a disaster in men's football. I've said this for years since I first saw it in Ladies.
I think a last play rule would be good. Game keeps going until the ball goes out of play, and keeper cannot kick it dead if the ref calls it when there's a kickout.
Quote from: Hound on September 26, 2016, 10:39:01 AM
Some exciting games yesterday in poor conditions. Poor shooting and decision making by the Dubs, when the game was there for them.
Too much being made of lack of Hawkeye. The expense of HE is not really needed at present in ladies football, because it's very rare the ball is hit over the top of the posts, when it becomes difficult for an umpire to make a call.
The decision yesterday was purely down to incompetent umpires. Was in no shape or form a difficult decision. The lad behind the goals had the perfect view, and made a complete hames of it. He knew it as well, in my view, but was too cowardly to over-rule his colleague who'd waved his arms for wide.
The countdown clock would be a disaster in men's football. I've said this for years since I first saw it in Ladies.
I think a last play rule would be good. Game keeps going until the ball goes out of play, and keeper cannot kick it dead if the ref calls it when there's a kickout.
Exactly.
I can't remember the last time we had a similar incident in mens' football.
The technology is primarily used to adjudicate on those 'over-the-post' type efforts.
The umpire is getting a free pass essentially.
Quote from: Hound on September 26, 2016, 10:39:01 AM
Some exciting games yesterday in poor conditions. Poor shooting and decision making by the Dubs, when the game was there for them.
Too much being made of lack of Hawkeye. The expense of HE is not really needed at present in ladies football, because it's very rare the ball is hit over the top of the posts, when it becomes difficult for an umpire to make a call.
The decision yesterday was purely down to incompetent umpires. Was in no shape or form a difficult decision. The lad behind the goals had the perfect view, and made a complete hames of it. He knew it as well, in my view, but was too cowardly to over-rule his colleague who'd waved his arms for wide.
The countdown clock would be a disaster in men's football. I've said this for years since I first saw it in Ladies.
I think a last play rule would be good. Game keeps going until the ball goes out of play, and keeper cannot kick it dead if the ref calls it when there's a kickout.
You are going way overboard with speculation, just maybe the umpire who stood back wasn't sure enough to call it a point and overrule his more confident colleague.
No way should there even be consideration about calling for a replay over an incident which happened in the first half.
Overall I'm impressed with the obvious marked progress in skill levels in the ladies football over the past 10 years. The Cork ladies team are simply outstanding, one of the top teams of the modern era.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 26, 2016, 12:30:12 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2016, 09:26:41 PM
So you don't know that ladies footballers don't put in similar effort as their male counterparts?
So when you were comparing ladies football to other sports you were comparing county level amateur footballers to professional international athletes?
To the best of my knowledge IC ladies footballers put in a similar level of preparation to their male counterparts and certainly compare favourably with men's IC teams from 10 or 15 years ago. Where are you getting the idea they don't?
I very, very, very strongly doubt that the Cork and Dublin players we saw today are putting in anywhere near the level of preparation or the level of effort required for it of the Dublin and Mayo players we saw last week.
For one, the Dublin players absolutely tanked early in the second half, and Cork themselves coasted through the first half. This would not be happening were the players putting in anywhere near the preparation of their male counterparts.
The fitness levels and the skill levels are simply on a different planet in the men's game.
Ok so you don't know despite saying you did and changing the reference point a few times from teams 10 or 15 years ago to Dublin and Mayo now.
You're entitled to your opinion on the game but your opening post was nonsense and full exaggeration and false statements. The ladies game is not at the level of the men's game for many reasons but there is no doubt that compared to their peers in other sports IC ladies footballers would match up well in terms of fitness, skill and dedication to their sport.
I can only speak for myself but I really enjoy the game and it's obvious that many others here share my enthusiasm.
The idea that they're not properly fit is daft.
Conditioning has come on leaps and bounds in recent years.
A lot of the girls have backgrounds in multiple team sports such as basketball, hockey, camogie, football, soccer and rugby.
Watching the intermediate final, Kildare looked to me like a team that could do damage at senior level as they were very athletic.
The standard of goalkeeping is in general pretty bad however I do think it's unfair that the ladies play with a regulation height/width goals.
The Antrim keeper conceded a comical goal yesterday because she was simply too small.
If I coached a ladies team I'd tell them to aim for the crossbar every chance they get.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2016, 12:30:52 PM
The idea that they're not properly fit is daft.
Conditioning has come on leaps and bounds in recent years.
A lot of the girls have backgrounds in multiple team sports such as basketball, hockey, camogie, football, soccer and rugby.
Watching the intermediate final, Kildare looked to me like a team that could do damage at senior level as they were very athletic.
The standard of goalkeeping is in general pretty bad however I do think it's unfair that the ladies play with a regulation height/width goals.
The Antrim keeper conceded a comical goal yesterday because she was simply too small.
If I coached a ladies team I'd tell them to aim for the crossbar every chance they get.
This. I think the goalkeeping lets the women's game down. Camogie and Football. Maybe it is the goals themselves, I hadn't thought about that, but the amount of goals that go in with either a little half jump as it sails over their head, or goes in the corner as they wave at it like a lad directing traffic is criminal.
That said I think the skills of the game are in evidence, and are very strong. Maybe shooting a little bit, but their passing, kicking, tackling etc are all very good at IC level.
Kildare goalkeeper got player of the match yesterday!
In general I mean. Obviously there are exceptions.
Don't understand the idea that HawkEye is mainly for points that go over the top of the uprights. The far more common situation is where a clear wide or point is given or not given. Human error. That's where HawkEye has proved most useful and it clearly applies to the ladies' game just as much as the mens'.
No, you're wrong.
Usually watch the finals every year and the one thing that stands out is the poor standard of the keepers. As mentioned here, usually a wee jump made to save high goal shots - surely women can jump a bit higher than their GAA goalie representatives are showing. The keepers in general look like the most unathletic players on the team too.
Just seen the "point" there for the first time. How on earth did the umpire at the far side of the goal not see it? It's baffling how you could miss that. He had a perfect view of it going between the posts. To be honest the ref should have seen it as well but one of the umpires was directly behind it. And for once he actually looked like a relatively young fella rather than an OAP.
I thought there were previous examples of a point not being given (or the opposite) and the match being replayed in the men's game?
Did this not happen this year in the Christy Ring final?
With the evidence as clear as it is from the TV replays then why do they not have a good case?
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 26, 2016, 02:13:44 PM
I thought there were previous examples of a point not being given (or the opposite) and the match being replayed in the men's game?
Did this not happen this year in the Christy Ring final?
With the evidence as clear as it is from the TV replays then why do they not have a good case?
Christy Ring was different - a point was awarded correctly but not added to the scoreboard. Dubs shouldn't be crying, point was in the 1st half & they were by far 2nd best in the 2nd half. Only for a last second penalty they were well beat.
Standard was brutal apart from some great scores in the 2nd half by Cork FF
Thought the tackling in the game was excellent.
Kicking points from distance a big problem for both teams yesterday. Cork have some defensive set up. Always seemed to have 7 or 8 players around the D when Dublin were attacking.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 26, 2016, 02:00:49 PM
Just seen the "point" there for the first time. How on earth did the umpire at the far side of the goal not see it? It's baffling how you could miss that. He had a perfect view of it going between the posts. To be honest the ref should have seen it as well but one of the umpires was directly behind it. And for once he actually looked like a relatively young fella rather than an OAP.
That umpire definitely did see it. He couldn't not see it.
The only explanation is he was too shy/cowardly to over-rule his colleague who signalled wide straight away.
Big mistake, but I don't think there's anything the GAA can do about it. Mistakes happen all the time, and some of the Dublin players made mistakes that cost us points too. I guess Cork could technically offer a replay, but very unlikely.
The point that wasn't was very disappointing from a Dublin perspective and really shouldn't have happened but Dublin can blame nobody but themselves. They dominated much of the game and although Cork got players back they should really have been able to create and take more scores.
I didn't see the two earlier games but the one thing I did like in the Senior game was the lack of free kicks which normally make football so stop - start.
I don't know the reason for this but if they could have kicked more scores I would have found it a very enjoyable match.
Dublin have confirmed they are not appealing
Quote from: Hound on September 26, 2016, 06:47:05 PM
Dublin have confirmed they are not appealing
Doesn't seem like Cork were going to give them a replay anyway even if they did. Would have got messy.
Heard the interview the Cork manager gave and he came across very badly.
No need for the sly little dig at the Dublin manager.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2016, 10:14:13 PM
Heard the interview the Cork manager gave and he came across very badly.
No need for the sly little dig at the Dublin manager.
He may be a very nice fella, but very few would think so after that interview.
Tough on Dublin. In 1995 we didn't appeal either.,
Cork would beat them again anyway, they have this Dublin teams no, besides maybe the forwards should look at themselves, they had plenty of ball first half but didn't put it on the board
Some laugh some men querying the fitness of the ladies in the game, i say the majority are fitter than any of the clowns given out about them on here!!!
How can they be at the same level as men football when they don't get the funding, perks, time of work, the financial backing that the men`s game gets.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 27, 2016, 10:39:33 PM
Some laugh some men querying the fitness of the ladies in the game, i say the majority are fitter than any of the clowns given out about them on here!!!
How can they be at the same level as men football when they don't get the funding, perks, time of work, the financial backing that the men`s game gets.
Of what relevance is the fitness of posters who question the levels of fitness in women's football?
So the women don't "train just as hard as the men"?
So why the constant claims they do, which is obviously wrong?
People are refuting your unproven, unsupported claims which wasn't that they simply don't train as hard as the men by the way.
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2016, 11:31:22 PM
People are refuting your unproven, unsupported claims which wasn't that they simply don't train as hard as the men by the way.
Sure you could argue any opinions are unproven.
Your extremely hostile reactions to any criticism of the women's game are unproven and unsupported.
However I fail to to see how anybody could have watched that game on Sunday and thought the skill and fitness levels were good.
I know elite sport when I see it and that was not elite sport.
I was hostile, if you can even say that, to your ridiculous comparisons to Olympic/professional sports and the men's code.
Questioning their fitness levels is just daft and I actually know a thing or two about that so I know your wrong. And while there are improvements to be made in skill levels you are also wrong about the level it's at. Saying the players can't solo is simply a false statement.
Lets be honest. Ladies Women's football is a bag of shite.
The games are brutal, the mastery of skills isn't great and there is always a hefty girl in nets who lets a bagful of goals in.
It doesn't come near to the male version, even at underage. It just doesn't look right either.
If they really want equality and all that goes with it then let them play with a size 5 and implement the proper rules.
We live in a PC mad world and im inclined to agree with the previous comments about patronising the participants with flowery comments.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
Lets be honest. Ladies Women's football is a bag of shite.
The games are brutal, the mastery of skills isn't great and there is always a hefty girl in nets who lets a bagful of goals in.
It doesn't come near to the male version, even at underage. It just doesn't look right either.
If they really want equality and all that goes with it then let them play with a size 5 and implement the proper rules.
We live in a PC mad world and im inclined to agree with the previous comments about patronising the participants with flowery comments.
thats very unfair ladies football is in a massive growth spurt and is improving all the time, the final was a poor game from the point of view of scoring but weve all seen that in mens games too. after all Dublin just dint not score for themselves untill the 30th min in the mens final.
the point controversy was a shame but again rows over points is very much part of the men's game too, even this year .
your point about a size 5 is just petty women are smaller than me so it just makes sense to use a smaller ball. why make life hard for every one when you can make your own rules that suit your own members. which is the reason LGFA stay separate from the GAA.
Their real enemy is Camogie
why cant they pick up the ball the same way the men do?
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
why cant they pick up the ball the same way the men do?
Are you just talking shite for the sake of it?
There's a reasonable discussion to be had about ladies football and female sports in general but the majority of contributions criticising ladies football here are utter nonsense and bit like the orange headed buffon across the Atlantic they are justifying their nonsense by claiming they are calling at it is and not bowing to a PC agenda.
Ok so let have a reasonable discussion about ladies football.
Can you answer my previous question.
Oh right, I thought that was a wind up. I coach our U12 girls the proper pick up primarily because it is a very good skill for developing athletic ability and balance. They are all well able to do it after practicing like the boys. The reason they don't implement it in the ladies game is because, like we've discussed in the men's game, it may not be a skill that adds to the game. I actually think there's plenty of merit in removing the pick up from the men's game to speed it up and remove a decision for referees that can be difficult to implement correctly all the time. Wasn't there doubts over a Bastick pick up in the All Ireland final?
So, basically the girls are well able to perform the pick up but those formulating the rules decided the pick up wasn't a skill they wanted to transfer. As odd a thing to focus on as using a size 5 ball I'd have thought.
And why isn't the size 5 ball used either?
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
why cant they pick up the ball the same way the men do?
Aways thought it had to do with ladies having breasts and their obscured vision of the ball at foot because of this?
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2016, 11:53:53 AM
And why isn't the size 5 ball used either?
For the same reason a size 5 ball isn't used by u14 boys. My girlfriend is a former intercounty footballer. Her feet are size 3. Her hands are also tiny. A size 5 ball would make no sense.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2016, 11:53:53 AM
And why isn't the size 5 ball used either?
Same reason we don't use it for U8, 10, 12 and 14 boys. Am I missing something or are you genuinely criticising ladies football because they don't use the men's pick up and size 5?
While I disagree fundamentally with the premise of the post that set this all off, I do agree that womens' sports are handled with a 'kid-gloves' approach by the media and public in general.
There was uproar about the absence of Hawkeye when people assumed that the GAA were to blame.
That largely dissipated when they were informed it was the LGFA's decision.
Certain vested interests were only dying for there to be some kind of discrimination angle involved.
The LGFA should be getting both barrels from the media, instead I've heard some people claiming that the GAA should have paid for Hawkeye for them.
There are some excellent female journalists however, such as Sinéad O'Carroll, who aren't afraid to point out the failings in womens' sports.
Plays camogie for Kildare herself and is adamant that the camogie and ladies football associations should be brought under the GAA banner.
She has said that resistance to that is only coming from one direction, and that is the people currently in charge of camogie and ladies football.
https://twitter.com/SecondCaptains/status/780439425834778624 (https://twitter.com/SecondCaptains/status/780439425834778624)
Quote from: Jinxy on September 28, 2016, 12:13:20 PM
While I disagree fundamentally with the premise of the post that set this all off, I do agree that womens' sports are handled with a 'kid-gloves' approach by the media and public in general.
There was uproar about the absence of Hawkeye when people assumed that the GAA were to blame.
That largely dissipated when they were informed it was the LGFA's decision.
Certain vested interests were only dying for there to be some kind of discrimination angle involved.
The LGFA should be getting both barrels from the media, instead I've heard some people claiming that the GAA should have paid for Hawkeye for them.
There are some excellent female journalists however, such as Sinéad O'Carroll, who aren't afraid to point out the failings in womens' sports.
Plays camogie for Kildare herself and is adamant that the camogie and ladies football associations should be brought under the GAA banner.
She has said that resistance to that is only coming from one direction, and that is the people currently in charge of camogie and ladies football.
And the vast majority of Ladies Footballers have the same point of view. Certainly from my experience. These are administrative issues tho, dealt with by non-footballers. Nothing to do with the skill and fitness of the players involved, which is improving all the time.
Jinxy, there has been a fair amount of criticism on the Dublin's footballers score taking and the LGFA's use of Hawkeye so I'm not sure I agree. I think GAA coverage in general gets a softer ride than some other sports due to the local nature and amateurism of the sports.
The GAA desperately want the ladies to come on board and the fact they don't is entirely down to the female sports administrators. It's disgraceful really when you think that they would collapse in the morning if the GAA didn't support them so to play hardball with the GAA is ridiculous.
Quote from: Zulu on September 28, 2016, 11:31:32 AM
There's a reasonable discussion to be had about ladies football and female sports in general but the majority of contributions criticising ladies football here are utter nonsense and bit like the orange headed buffon across the Atlantic they are justifying their nonsense by claiming they are calling at it is and not bowing to a PC agenda.
As I've already said, I'm a supporter of political correctness in general and I would love to see women's GAA grow to the point where it can genuinely be taken seriously as elite sport.
But it should be subject to the same criticism and honest analysis as men's sport, which is clearly not the case at present.
Quote from: Zulu on September 28, 2016, 11:45:08 AM
Oh right, I thought that was a wind up. I coach our U12 girls the proper pick up primarily because it is a very good skill for developing athletic ability and balance. They are all well able to do it after practicing like the boys. The reason they don't implement it in the ladies game is because, like we've discussed in the men's game, it may not be a skill that adds to the game. I actually think there's plenty of merit in removing the pick up from the men's game to speed it up and remove a decision for referees that can be difficult to implement correctly all the time. Wasn't there doubts over a Bastick pick up in the All Ireland final?
So, basically the girls are well able to perform the pick up but those formulating the rules decided the pick up wasn't a skill they wanted to transfer. As odd a thing to focus on as using a size 5 ball I'd have thought.
Thanks for this explanation, as this has always been something that really bugs me about the ladies game. So basically what you are saying is that when formulating the rules for ladies football thet just decided they didn't want to implement the pick up? To me this is absured. The pick up is a key fundamental skill of Gaelic football, like the hop or catching a ball, to decide just not to have it for me means your not playing football. I totally understand the need for certain changes I.e. size 4 ball etc..:.but to remove a fundemental skill of the game 'just because' is rediculous, especially as you say the ladies can do it comfortably. Now whether the pick up is a good or bad thing and should be implemented in the men's game is a different matter.
It's very disappointing to see the sexist undertones from Sid and brick.
We all know that women by biology or whatever can't run as fast as men or can't jump as high or hit as hard or kick as far Etc... That does not mean that the women's game is not enjoyable, in fact I think there have been more exciting games in Lgfa than the men's championship. Mayo v Dublin, Sligo v Kildare Etc...
I agree the final wasn't great and the weather didn't help. In fairness, the quality of the men's final was shite also due to the weather. Sid and Brick please take a good hard look at yourselves stop being so negative. My kids boy and girls have played football since they were 5 and my daughter was the best player by far on the combined men and ladies team until she was u14 and could no longer play with the boys. I'm a huge fan of ladies football and appreciate the effort ,dedication and skill they display.
id what people mean by proper criticism and honest analysis is the shite spoken by brolly and his ilk then no they should not have it
anyway as a sport it is still finding its way and growing at an incredible rate.
i donr see how at this point over rigorous analysis by people who watch one game a year is going to help them.
I think they have a long way to go yet in terms of Female backroom team coaches and referees but forcing mens rules on them for the sake of it helps no one.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 28, 2016, 12:39:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 28, 2016, 11:31:32 AM
There's a reasonable discussion to be had about ladies football and female sports in general but the majority of contributions criticising ladies football here are utter nonsense and bit like the orange headed buffon across the Atlantic they are justifying their nonsense by claiming they are calling at it is and not bowing to a PC agenda.
As I've already said, I'm a supporter of political correctness in general and I would love to see women's GAA grow to the point where it can genuinely be taken seriously as elite sport.
But it should be subject to the same criticism and honest analysis as men's sport, which is clearly not the case at present.
But there's been plenty of criticism. Did all our Olympians get slated if they didn't win a medal, of any sort? Your comments on their fitness is wrong, your comparison to Olympian teams is an unfair one and comparing them to men's football is just daft.
There's an international soccer player on the Mayo team and the Cork minor team. A number of the Irish women's rugby team, who compete well with other countries, have loads of girls raised playing football. I know a lot of ladies footballers have played high level basketball too.
Nobody is saying there's no room for improvement or that elements of the senior final weren't poor but some of the comments here are so far off fair analysis that they've been rightly dismissed.
Cora staunton played a few rugby matches for castlebar and score 7 tries in her first rugby match ever. some of the ladies 7 player were recruited directly from football (and other sports) and made the team
Quote from: sligoman2 on September 28, 2016, 02:19:25 PM
It's very disappointing to see the sexist undertones from Sid and brick.
Complete nonsense and it's telling you have to play the sexism card - I've already said there are many sports in which women can rightly be called "elite".
Excusing poor standards because they are women is sexist, and that's exactly what you're doing.
Quote from: Zulu on September 28, 2016, 03:00:12 PM
But there's been plenty of criticism. Did all our Olympians get slated if they didn't win a medal, of any sort? Your comments on their fitness is wrong, your comparison to Olympian teams is an unfair one and comparing them to men's football is just daft.
But the fact is that women's football is regularly compared favourably to men's football by supporters of the game.
We regularly hear stuff like "the women train just as hard as the men" and that women's games
"were better than most games in the men's championship".
So people who make those comparisons can't have it both ways.
Why on earth would I slate our Olympians for not winning a medal? The Olympics is the pinnacle of sport worldwide. The only thing you can ask from our Olympians is that they go out and perform to the best of their ability. To get there is an achievement in itself.
If what was on offer on Sunday was the best of those players' ability, it's a sad reflection on the state of women's football. Of course it wasn't the best of those players' ability. It isn't unlocked because in comparison to the men's game, it's effectively a hobby, so of course the best of those players' ability will not be displayed.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 28, 2016, 12:13:20 PM
While I disagree fundamentally with the premise of the post that set this all off, I do agree that womens' sports are handled with a 'kid-gloves' approach by the media and public in general.
There was uproar about the absence of Hawkeye when people assumed that the GAA were to blame.
That largely dissipated when they were informed it was the LGFA's decision.
Certain vested interests were only dying for there to be some kind of discrimination angle involved.
The LGFA should be getting both barrels from the media, instead I've heard some people claiming that the GAA should have paid for Hawkeye for them.
There are some excellent female journalists however, such as Sinéad O'Carroll, who aren't afraid to point out the failings in womens' sports.
Plays camogie for Kildare herself and is adamant that the camogie and ladies football associations should be brought under the GAA banner.
She has said that resistance to that is only coming from one direction, and that is the people currently in charge of camogie and ladies football.
https://twitter.com/SecondCaptains/status/780439425834778624 (https://twitter.com/SecondCaptains/status/780439425834778624)
I heard a story that when the GAA got a new email system a while back from Google, they offered it to the Ladies football and the Camogie association as well for free - The GAA were paying for it but offered to cover the cost for the ladies and camogie but the camogie association head honchos turned it down because they were concerned that GAA HQ would be able to read their email even though they were told by Google this would be impossible. 2 or 3 years down the track they changed there mind when then went looking at the cost of setting up their own email system and they realised that the GAA didn't possess the hacking ability to access Google's email servers.
Everything I've ever heard suggests that those in charge of the ladies football and camogie are more concerned with being the people in control than doing what's good for the game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2016, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
why cant they pick up the ball the same way the men do?
Aways thought it had to do with ladies having breasts and their obscured vision of the ball at foot because of this?
Jesus Christ
Quote from: sid waddell on September 28, 2016, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on September 28, 2016, 02:19:25 PM
It's very disappointing to see the sexist undertones from Sid and brick.
Complete nonsense and it's telling you have to play the sexism card - I've already said there are many sports in which women can rightly be called "elite".
Excusing poor standards because they are women is sexist, and that's exactly what you're doing.
I'm not the one playing the sexist card pal, and I'm not excusing poor standards I'm simply saying that I'm annoyed that you try to discredit the effort and dedication of ladies based on one game in the rain. I have watched many great ladies games and have enjoyed them much more than some of the blanket bullshit on offer from the men.
People who try to dress up their prejudices in a nightgown of constructive criticism are easy to see a mile away.
Quote from: Syferus on September 29, 2016, 09:04:33 PM
People who try to dress up their prejudices in a nightgown of constructive criticism are easy to see a mile away.
A troll like you can be seen much more than a mile away.
Quote from: Syferus on September 29, 2016, 09:04:33 PM
People who try to dress up their prejudices in a nightgown of constructive criticism are easy to see a mile away.
You can be quite wise when you're talking about stuff other than mens' football, Syf.
Quote from: sligoman2 on September 29, 2016, 01:49:14 PM
I'm not the one playing the sexist card pal, and I'm not excusing poor standards I'm simply saying that I'm annoyed that you try to discredit the effort and dedication of ladies based on one game in the rain. I have watched many great ladies games and have enjoyed them much more than some of the blanket bullshit on offer from the men.
But of course you are and you did it explicitly.
And what makes you think my view is based on one game?
Is my calling you sexist for being sexist playing a card or stating the facts.
Over and out.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 30, 2016, 12:21:05 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 29, 2016, 09:04:33 PM
People who try to dress up their prejudices in a nightgown of constructive criticism are easy to see a mile away.
You can be quite wise when you're talking about stuff other than mens' football, Syf.
More especially when Mayo football isn't the subject under discussion.
Quote from: sligoman2 on September 30, 2016, 06:56:58 PM
Is my calling you sexist for being sexist playing a card or stating the facts.
Over and out.
Facts?
Seriously?
You haven't used any facts.
Flesh out what you mean by "facts".
Quote from: Zulu on September 28, 2016, 11:45:08 AM
Oh right, I thought that was a wind up. I coach our U12 girls the proper pick up primarily because it is a very good skill for developing athletic ability and balance. They are all well able to do it after practicing like the boys. The reason they don't implement it in the ladies game is because, like we've discussed in the men's game, it may not be a skill that adds to the game. I actually think there's plenty of merit in removing the pick up from the men's game to speed it up and remove a decision for referees that can be difficult to implement correctly all the time. Wasn't there doubts over a Bastick pick up in the All Ireland final?
So, basically the girls are well able to perform the pick up but those formulating the rules decided the pick up wasn't a skill they wanted to transfer. As odd a thing to focus on as using a size 5 ball I'd have thought.
Have to say I disagree on the pick up thing, I used to think it was pointless but watching the women's football without it, you sometimes see wrestles on the ground for a loose ball which end up in a throw up. In men's, this would be much more frequent. In order to get your foot under the ball, you have to be someway in control of it. Changing the rule would just end up in rucks imo
Did i read that cora staunton scored 5-15 in a club game??
On the womens rugby the world cup is in ireland this year.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0120/934689-staunton-kicks-two-goals-on-aussie-rules-debut/
https://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2018/0303/944732-coras-rise-and-rise-continues-down-under/
She's doing quite well. What an amazing footballer.
So Tyrone ladies beat Down in Ulster semi-final by about 40 points a few weeks ago and on Sunday will play them in the Ulster final :o
So? Dublin men have beaten Wicklow and Longford by cricket scores
Jaysus I though Sid was a warrior for women's rights and here he is being a tad sexist.
Quote from: befair on June 12, 2018, 06:32:47 PM
So? Dublin men have beaten Wicklow and Longford by cricket scores
aye but playing a team in the final that you annihilated in the semi-final?
Quote from: longballin on June 12, 2018, 10:24:40 PM
Quote from: befair on June 12, 2018, 06:32:47 PM
So? Dublin men have beaten Wicklow and Longford by cricket scores
aye but playing a team in the final that you annihilated in the semi-final?
It's a back door, just as in the men's game. Women's football also have intermediate + junior levels.
Full-back Orlagh Lally having a stormer for Meath.
Should be playing much further up the field from now on though.
Stacey Grimes excellent at wing-forward as well.
Young team, will benefit from the experience.
Tyrone just too fit, too well-organised and too clinical for them.
Meath girls carrying the ball into the tackle and Tyrone defenders turning them over at will.
The Ladies' finals are always a great occasion, but the first 2 matches have been over by half-time (as was the Sam Maguire). Hope the senior final will be more competitive
Yeah with the rebels coming out on top
Should have been a black card!
Good game so far.
Much better than the mens. I have a feeling dublin could be on a different level fitness wise which could tell later on. Hop i am wrong.
Pick that one out.
That was a worldie, reminds me of Gooch's against Mayo in 2011. Art.
Lovely goal by Cork, but seriously bad defending.
That goal from Dublin there was something else
50,000 attendance, incredible work being done to promote these ladies finals.
Surely it's now one of if not the highest attended womens' sporting events on the planet?
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2018, 04:42:45 PM
50,000 attendance, incredible work being done to promote these ladies finals.
Surely it's now one of if not the highest attended womens' sporting events on the planet?
Bigger crowd than the Tyrone v Monaghan men's semi final.
Dublin do what kk hurlers do always leaving the arm in the tackle.
A bit like the men the Dublin girls take a lot of steps and if the other team get close the ref is always on hand to help out!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 16, 2018, 04:57:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2018, 04:42:45 PM
50,000 attendance, incredible work being done to promote these ladies finals.
Surely it's now one of if not the highest attended womens' sporting events on the planet?
Bigger crowd than the Tyrone v Monaghan men's semi final.
Better quality game also.
Dublin being in the final has a huge bearing on the Attendance. Meath and Louth also being close to Dublin would also you'd expect bring big numbers.
Very enjoyable game, Dublin deserving winners.
Way better than the mens. Dublin quite a bit fitter and stronger in tackle i thought which told in the end. They also played a sweeper which left cork not able to kick it in while dublin got loads of space.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 16, 2018, 05:26:19 PM
Way better than the mens. Dublin quite a bit fitter and stronger in tackle i thought which told in the end. They also played a sweeper which left cork not able to kick it in while dublin got loads of space.
Yes, Dublin unsurprisingly look better conditioned! ;)
Enjoyable, but long periods of handpassing and no foot involved.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 16, 2018, 05:33:12 PM
Enjoyable, but long periods of handpassing and no foot involved.
Your posts in this thread are very transparent. Don't assume you're fooling anyone.
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2018, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 16, 2018, 05:33:12 PM
Enjoyable, but long periods of handpassing and no foot involved.
Your posts in this thread are very transparent. Don't assume you're fooling anyone.
Transparent? You need to change the font setting on Gaaboard.
Perhaps you have wrong color
I'm not trying to fool anyone, I made two posts, one about a nicely taken goal and another observation about the style of play.
You are losing the plot.
Good game, but I fear we're looking at an unstoppable Dublin juggernaut, as in men's football. Bigger population to choose from, more resources, hard to see what the answer is, as I love the Dubs
The effect of the financial doping is widespread. At club and county level in all age grades in both hurling and football and yes, ladies football too.
The skill level and enjoyment factor in ladies football is rising all the time. Today's game was one of the best games seen all year.
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2018, 04:27:06 PM
That was a worldie, reminds me of Gooch's against Mayo in 2011. Art.
The way Carla Rowe finished her two goals was Gooch-esque alright.
Dunno why so many players go for power in that situation.
Just pass it into the net with the side of your boot.
No need to put the head down and bury it.
Anyone watch the ladies semi-finals, in particular Galway v Mayo?
The ref had earlier disallowed a Galway goal when the player had burst through a couple of tackles , had a couple of girls hanging out of her and got the shot off (buried into the net) just as the ref whistled. First I thought it might have been a penalty, but then realised the signal was for a free out. I rewound it and the Galway player had taken 10 steps, so the ref got it spot on (makes a change from what we see in the men's game!).
So 30 seconds left at the end, Mayo one point down, the Mayo full forward is bearing down on goal, riding a number of tackles, and is finally nailed with a shoulder to the chest, clear free-in, probably just outside the box, but a handy 14m free. The referee clearly, from my view and from watching it again, is pointing for a free-in. A couple of the Galway players are remonstrating that the Mayo girl hopped it too many times. On replays you could see the Mayo player definitely hopped it twice in a row.
After the replays were shown on TG4, it went back to live play, and much to the commentators surprise, the free was now to Galway! They took the free, ran down the last few seconds, and held on by a point.
It was definitely the correct decision in the end, but I'm wondering did the ref see the replay on the big screen and then change his mind!? His own version of VAR!
Quote from: Hound on August 26, 2019, 08:09:15 AM
Anyone watch the ladies semi-finals, in particular Galway v Mayo?
The ref had earlier disallowed a Galway goal when the player had burst through a couple of tackles , had a couple of girls hanging out of her and got the shot off (buried into the net) just as the ref whistled. First I thought it might have been a penalty, but then realised the signal was for a free out. I rewound it and the Galway player had taken 10 steps, so the ref got it spot on (makes a change from what we see in the men's game!).
So 30 seconds left at the end, Mayo one point down, the Mayo full forward is bearing down on goal, riding a number of tackles, and is finally nailed with a shoulder to the chest, clear free-in, probably just outside the box, but a handy 14m free. The referee clearly, from my view and from watching it again, is pointing for a free-in. A couple of the Galway players are remonstrating that the Mayo girl hopped it too many times. On replays you could see the Mayo player definitely hopped it twice in a row.
After the replays were shown on TG4, it went back to live play, and much to the commentators surprise, the free was now to Galway! They took the free, ran down the last few seconds, and held on by a point.
It was definitely the correct decision in the end, but I'm wondering did the ref see the replay on the big screen and then change his mind!? His own version of VAR!
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0826/1070917-irate-leahy-claims-var-over-ruled-referee-for-late-free/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0826/1070917-irate-leahy-claims-var-over-ruled-referee-for-late-free/)
I was equally frustrated that Kearns didn't get an easy tap-over free shortly after the Galway over-carrying.
The referee called her for over-carrying ..... 5 maybe 6 steps. Very much a case of the ref trying to balance the earlier call. Which is poor referring.
Thought the ref was very good on the steps rule. He called it consistently on both sides. Compared to how often players get away with it in the men's game.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 26, 2019, 12:56:15 PM
Thought the ref was very good on the steps rule. He called it consistently on both sides. Compared to how often players get away with it in the men's game.
It's essential that it's called correctly in the ladies game, as the only way to dispossess (or even slow down) the ball carrier is to flick the ball mid solo or hop. Of course it should me called more often in men's game too, but the consequences of not doing so are not as extreme.
Meath 1-10 Dublin 0-9 in the All Ireland final with 12 minutes to play.
A great underdog story and no 5 in a row titles for Dublin. FT Meath 1-11 Dublin 0-12
Very enjoyable game. Well done Meath.
Amazing result and fantastic game of heart effort and hard running!! Dublin hadn't the fight in them and couldn't break down a stubborn defense.
12, 13, 14 and 6 were standout players
Meath were superb. Extremely well drilled. Every player knew their role.
Fantastic entertainment, well done to Meath very well drilled & superbly coached.
From intermediate to senior, that's some step up
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
From intermediate to senior, that's some step up
It's an incredible step up. Wexford were a shambles in the intermediate final.
I only saw the last ten minutes. That number 13 could fairly break a tackle. Huge advantage when you are playing keep ball.
Brilliant advert for ladies football, superb performance by Meath.
Well done Meath.
Not sorry for the Dublin manager 8)
Brilliant high tempo football from Meath. I wouldn't know them, but I thought 2, 6, 12, 13 and 14 were excellent. I think 14 got player of the match, but 6 was serious as well, Aisling Cleary I think her name was.
Quote from: Sportacus on September 05, 2021, 06:44:35 PM
Brilliant high tempo football from Meath. I wouldn't know them, but I thought 2, 6, 12, 13 and 14 were excellent. I think 14 got player of the match, but 6 was serious as well, Aisling Cleary I think her name was.
The big blonde girl 13 got it, she battled and broke some tackles the whole game!! They'll enjoy their pints of Guinness tonight
Delighted for meath; your no 6 was a star. Smart tactics defending around the D
I thought No 12 was excellent for Meath. No 6 was very composed on the ball. 11 as well. Some great forward play. Enjoyable game. Fair play to Meath. Deserving winners.
Super game. Me and the young fella watched it and it was a great advertisement for the game. Congrats Meath.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2021, 06:50:16 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on September 05, 2021, 06:44:35 PM
Brilliant high tempo football from Meath. I wouldn't know them, but I thought 2, 6, 12, 13 and 14 were excellent. I think 14 got player of the match, but 6 was serious as well, Aisling Cleary I think her name was.
The big blonde girl 13 got it, she battled and broke some tackles the whole game!! They'll enjoy their pints of Guinness tonight
Ah right enough, she was unstoppable.
Vicky Wall was 13. She's had a big impact on the team since she's come in to the squad. Perhaps we got a bit of luck with the goal but we fought hard for everything and deserved it in the end.
Well done to Meath, great victory. Really don't like their style of play but you do whatever you have to in order to win the match and you can't blame them, it worked.
The no.13 was excellent for Meath.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 05, 2021, 06:41:02 PM
Well done Meath.
Not sorry for the Dublin manager 8)
He's on the coaching gravy train. Wouldn't think much of him (if he was an ice-cream would have himself licked to death by now) didn't stop the Roscommon county board tapping him up for the job after the Aidan O Rourke debacle. Have to give great credit to the Meath coaching set up, them lads know what they are at. Maybe Mick should go to a few of their coaching courses. ;D
Quote from: thejuice on September 05, 2021, 08:46:18 PM
Vicky Wall was 13. She's had a big impact on the team since she's come in to the squad. Perhaps we got a bit of luck with the goal but we fought hard for everything and deserved it in the end.
Not sure how much luck there was - the goal was a reward for pressuring the kickout with 11 players in the Dublin half and winning the ball. They had a similar turnover and chance just before that where they could have had a quick shot at goal from a tighter angle with the keeper scrambling back but they recycled the ball instead and took a point. The goal chance fell into the right hands with Emma Duggan - she has confirmed since she was going for the goal.
That was a seriously well-drilled Meath outfit. They never panicked and were not afraid to take the direct opponent on.
Like the Dub lads, the women seemed a bit shell-shocked when it was really put up to them. Putting Goldrick on Wall was a bad move as she wasn't able for her and ended up sacrificing her own game too.
Dublin never stopped the goalie option either. She was so cool on the ball and gave a great 'out' at all times.
Good game and to be fair there were some hits and the game went on, although Dublin got a series of very soft frees in the second half.
Great game!
Quote from: yellowcard on September 05, 2021, 09:14:21 PM
Well done to Meath, great victory. Really don't like their style of play but you do whatever you have to in order to win the match and you can't blame them, it worked.
not sure I get this, their style of play was superb to watch and some of the scores they worked and took were absolutely brilliant..
Watched the highlights again on TG4. Some of those scores Meath got were brilliant to watch. So well worked, especially the last two from no 11 and 12. I'd say it was probably the performance of the year. Great stuff.
is there any truth of four girls collapsing at a training session in sligo
Senior All-Ireland semi finals on today live on TG4.
20 minutes to play Kerry 3-9 Mayo 0-12 (4-10 to 0-13 it finished)
Later on Meath v Donegal
Half time low scoring stuff. Meath 0-3 Donegal 1-3. The goal from a penalty
Like the men, the Div 2 team that beat Armagh should go all the way.
Donegal's free taking is abysmal. Have they players missing?
God this referee should have his whistle stripped. Shocking decision and seriously favouring Meath
FT Meath 0-12 Donegal 1-7. Emma Duggan stepped up for the defending champions in that 2nd half.
Quote from: 5times5times on July 16, 2022, 05:25:39 PM
God this referee should have his whistle stripped. Shocking decision and seriously favouring Meath
Some unusual decisions alright.
Quote from: 5times5times on July 16, 2022, 05:25:39 PM
God this referee should have his whistle stripped. Shocking decision and seriously favouring Meath
I thought he favoured Donegal - gave Meath 2 yellows (sin bins) and gave Donegal a soft enough penalty.
Quote from: OrchardOrange on July 16, 2022, 05:29:52 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 16, 2022, 05:25:39 PM
God this referee should have his whistle stripped. Shocking decision and seriously favouring Meath
Some unusual decisions alright.
Ah, Ladies football needs an complete overhaul with the rules. Most of these rules were put in place when girls playing the game were less fit and less skillful.
That said there were a few charging decisions near the end where the defender stood their ground and the attacker ran into them, they'd unfortunately never be given in the mans game!
Yeh, here it goes again, blame the ref.
His decisions on charging were consistent throughout the game, for both teams.
Both teams set up so defensively, it was a poor game in contrast to first semi-final. I'm sure it's an effective tactic, even more so than in the mens game, as few women can kick long distance points, but it makes for a dull spectacle.
Was a heartbreaking loss again for Donegal, that period after half time was a real killer and Meath were clinical where we were not. In the 2nd half that goal chance was really huge in the context of the game. Emma Duggan was brilliant for Meath.
I'd say that could be the end of the road for some of those Donegal players unfortunately, they've been great players.
Three All Ireland finals on today. Live on TG4.
11.45am – Junior Final – Antrim v Fermanagh
1.45pm – Intermediate Final – Laois v Wexford
4pm – Senior Final – Kerry v Meath
Hon da Ryles
Bizarre decision by Wex to kick a point from a free when 3 points down and the clock at 30 seconds and counting down
Quote from: Hound on July 31, 2022, 03:19:12 PM
Bizarre decision by Wex to kick a point from a free when 3 points down and the clock at 30 seconds and counting down
They'd about 2 minutes with the goal to be three behind they won next couple of kick outs and didn't pump the ball into the box... even with that free I think they only had 3 in the rectangle..
Hon Laois 🔵⚪️🔵
Great start for Kerry 1-2 to no score. Not sure if the number 15 for going for goal or it was a point effort that dropped short. The defending champions has responded with a quick 1-1.
Meath are very tough, Des . They never give up. It must be the oestrogen.
Half time Meath 1-8 Kerry 1-5. The Royals have moved up the gears after a slow start.
Full Time Meath 3-10 Kerry 1-7.
Meath were very impressive. Inspiration for O'Rourke.
Excellent display by Meath. Bar the first few minutes they snuffed out Kerry's attacks very impressively . Niamh O Sullivan deservedly POTY. She was everywhere!
Highlights of it amywhere, I'm on holiday at the minute.
Quote from: thejuice on August 01, 2022, 10:21:54 AM
Highlights of it amywhere, I'm on holiday at the minute.
Seo duit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lq1sFk25is
Vicky Wall is the new Tommy Dowd. Very impressive.
Meath played like champions. Super organised and took their chances.
Thanks.
O'Sullivan impressed with her shooting and making space for herself. VW would be a big loss if she doesn't return from AFLW or gets injured over there which seems to be the case quite often.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/womens-football/2022/0731/1313259-bittersweet-moment-for-murray-as-meath-make-history/
My 13 year old daughter asked me why are they allowed to pick it straight off the ground and the boys aren't? I couldn't really answer her without it sounding sexist. Is there any other reason other than to make it easier?
Quote from: HiMucker on August 01, 2022, 01:22:09 PM
My 13 year old daughter asked me why are they allowed to pick it straight off the ground and the boys aren't? I couldn't really answer her without it sounding sexist. Is there any other reason other than to make it easier?
because its a crap sport designed to be easily transferred and translated into big playing numbers quickly
Quote from: HiMucker on August 01, 2022, 01:22:09 PM
My 13 year old daughter asked me why are they allowed to pick it straight off the ground and the boys aren't? I couldn't really answer her without it sounding sexist. Is there any other reason other than to make it easier?
It makes the game quicker tell her
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on August 01, 2022, 01:22:09 PM
My 13 year old daughter asked me why are they allowed to pick it straight off the ground and the boys aren't? I couldn't really answer her without it sounding sexist. Is there any other reason other than to make it easier?
It makes the game quicker tell her
Its like collecting purdies in a field
I swore there was a girl in the junior game pulled for picking it off the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROpPa9FcvM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 02:05:48 PM
I swore there was a girl in the junior game pulled for picking it off the ground.
You can't pick it off the ground if any part of your body, other than feet, are touching the ground.
Quote from: thejuice on August 01, 2022, 11:06:23 AM
Thanks.
O'Sullivan impressed with her shooting and making space for herself. VW would be a big loss if she doesn't return from AFLW or gets injured over there which seems to be the case quite often.
According to Cora, Vicky won't be back for Meath in championship. It will coincide with AFLW next year. There'll be at least 20 Irish in it next year and could get close to 30.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on August 01, 2022, 05:00:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 02:05:48 PM
I swore there was a girl in the junior game pulled for picking it off the ground.
You can't pick it off the ground if any part of your body, other than feet, are touching the ground.
Ah. That explains it!
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 06:13:55 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on August 01, 2022, 05:00:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 02:05:48 PM
I swore there was a girl in the junior game pulled for picking it off the ground.
You can't pick it off the ground if any part of your body, other than feet, are touching the ground.
Ah. That explains it!
Ah Tommy!! You not watched much ladies?
I'm the average joe who doesn't know the rules and just shouts at refs for getting it wrong ;D (I watch it on tv the odd time but haven't been to a game in a long while...)
The ladies rules are in need of a huge overhaul. To be fair to them they are not slow to move with the times.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 01, 2022, 10:34:57 PM
The ladies rules are in need of a huge overhaul. To be fair to them they are not slow to move with the times.
Primarily the charging rule. It doesn't work in an era where the players are conditioned athletes. Putting the responsibility on the ball carrier to make sure there is no contact is nonsensical.
Rules are simple, you can't tackle unless you're tackling the ball, outside of a shoulder to shoulder physical contact is not allowed really (by rule book)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 11:21:31 PM
Rules are simple, you can't tackle unless you're tackling the ball, outside of a shoulder to shoulder physical contact is not allowed really (by rule book)
Shouldering not allowed in the rule book.
The way is is being refereed at all levels (I watch a lot of ladies football) is that the ball carrier tends to be penalised if they are travelling at pace and a defender who runs into their path collides with them and falls over. It is interpreted as charging , even when the ball carrier has both hands on the ball, and has clearly no interest in taking contact. Would have no issue when a player puts a hand out or leads with elbow. But that's often not the case. Meath had two given against them early in the game on Sunday. Donegal had a ludicrous one given against them in the last minute of semi final when going for what would have been the winning goal. Meath back ran in to the path of the Donegal forward, caused a collision , fell over and got a free out.
Quote from: shark on August 02, 2022, 07:28:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 11:21:31 PM
Rules are simple, you can't tackle unless you're tackling the ball, outside of a shoulder to shoulder physical contact is not allowed really (by rule book)
Shouldering not allowed in the rule book.
The way is is being refereed at all levels (I watch a lot of ladies football) is that the ball carrier tends to be penalised if they are travelling at pace and a defender who runs into their path collides with them and falls over. It is interpreted as charging , even when the ball carrier has both hands on the ball, and has clearly no interest in taking contact. Would have no issue when a player puts a hand out or leads with elbow. But that's often not the case. Meath had two given against them early in the game on Sunday. Donegal had a ludicrous one given against them in the last minute of semi final when going for what would have been the winning goal. Meath back ran in to the path of the Donegal forward, caused a collision , fell over and got a free out.
Yep, that rule is so frustrating. The very odd time you will see an inter-county ref blowing for a free against the defender because she is adjudged to have ran across to get in front of the ball carrier, but this happens on nearly every one of those "charging" incidents yet 9 times out of 10 it's a free to the defender.
Quote from: shark on August 02, 2022, 07:28:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 11:21:31 PM
Rules are simple, you can't tackle unless you're tackling the ball, outside of a shoulder to shoulder physical contact is not allowed really (by rule book)
Shouldering not allowed in the rule book.
The way is is being refereed at all levels (I watch a lot of ladies football) is that the ball carrier tends to be penalised if they are travelling at pace and a defender who runs into their path collides with them and falls over. It is interpreted as charging , even when the ball carrier has both hands on the ball, and has clearly no interest in taking contact. Would have no issue when a player puts a hand out or leads with elbow. But that's often not the case. Meath had two given against them early in the game on Sunday. Donegal had a ludicrous one given against them in the last minute of semi final when going for what would have been the winning goal. Meath back ran in to the path of the Donegal forward, caused a collision , fell over and got a free out.
I was actually talking about mens football, its the only contact you're allowed!
Moyles on the ladies game including a comparison of the Irish and Australian games. Very interesting
Starts around 1h:52
https://youtu.be/SOqj11RYsgc
SFC semi-finals on TG4 at the moment a double header in Semple Stadium
Kerry v Mayo started at 5pm and Dublin v Cork on at 7:30pm
Sunday 13 August the Three finals will be played in Croke PArk
SFC final
Cork or Dublin v Kerry or Mayo
IFC final
Kildare v Clare
JFC final
Down v Limerick
Result
Kerry 1-16 Mayo 1-11
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2023, 06:26:26 PM
Result
Kerry 1-16 Mayo 1-11
Looked like a hiding after 15 minutes. Mayo left themselves with too much to do.
Why was there any doubt with that goal?
Quote from: Nanderson on July 29, 2023, 07:58:32 PM
Why was there any doubt with that goal?
The biggest mess-up was the Dublin player not kicking the ball into an open goal.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: shark on August 02, 2022, 07:28:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 11:21:31 PM
Rules are simple, you can't tackle unless you're tackling the ball, outside of a shoulder to shoulder physical contact is not allowed really (by rule book)
Shouldering not allowed in the rule book.
The way is is being refereed at all levels (I watch a lot of ladies football) is that the ball carrier tends to be penalised if they are travelling at pace and a defender who runs into their path collides with them and falls over. It is interpreted as charging , even when the ball carrier has both hands on the ball, and has clearly no interest in taking contact. Would have no issue when a player puts a hand out or leads with elbow. But that's often not the case. Meath had two given against them early in the game on Sunday. Donegal had a ludicrous one given against them in the last minute of semi final when going for what would have been the winning goal. Meath back ran in to the path of the Donegal forward, caused a collision , fell over and got a free out.
I was actually talking about mens football, its the only contact you're allowed!
I know it was a year ago, but I'm just finding this little contribution to the ladies football thread hilarious MR2 ;D
The 2nd game much higher standard than 1st.
Quote from: Itchy on July 29, 2023, 08:56:32 PM
The 2nd game much higher standard than 1st.
Cork have had a serious amount of goal chances.
Kicked themselves out of it.
No 10 for Dublin different class.
Quote from: Nanderson on July 29, 2023, 07:58:32 PM
Why was there any doubt with that goal?
The ref was disallowing it for a square ball but after a chat with his umpires he changed his mind.
As with the men's it will be a Dublin v Kerry final. Dublin 2-19 Cork 0-13
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2023, 09:04:32 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on July 29, 2023, 07:58:32 PM
Why was there any doubt with that goal?
The ref was disallowing it for a square ball but after a chat with his umpires he changed his mind.
As with the men's it will be a Dublin v Kerry final. Dublin 2-19 Cork 0-13
For the first time! Which is sort of surprising!
Kerry have been average for a long time in Ladies football. Their Last title was 30 years ago - 1993.
Dublin have got good since the Money kicked in the last 10 years. Their first AI was in 2010. Money talks.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2023, 09:04:32 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on July 29, 2023, 07:58:32 PM
Why was there any doubt with that goal?
The ref was disallowing it for a square ball but after a chat with his umpires he changed his mind.
As with the men's it will be a Dublin v Kerry final. Dublin 2-19 Cork 0-13
And then they'll start breeding and we'll all be banjaxed.
Three finals this Sunday in Croke Park.
Junior at 11:45am
Down v Limerick
Intermediate final 1:45pm
Clare v Kildare
Senior final 4pm
Kerry v Dublin
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 09, 2023, 07:20:54 PM
Three finals this Sunday in Croke Park.
Junior at 11:45am
Down v Limerick
Intermediate final 1:45pm
Clare v Kildare
Senior final 4pm
Kerry v Dublin
Always a great occasion
Kerry Dublin should be a good one. I would suspect Kerry might be too good but you never know. Dublin seem to have improved with every game.
Well done Down in 1st match although I thought it was a very poor standard of game. Hoping for better in intermediate.
Quote from: Itchy on August 13, 2023, 01:52:58 PM
Well done Down in 1st match although I thought it was a very poor standard of game. Hoping for better in intermediate.
Yes, thought the standard was v poor; Limerick were much the better side in the first half, but their shooting let them down
Half time in the intermediate final
Kildare 2-6 Clare 0-5
Kildare hang on after a late rally by Clare. Result Kildare 2-11 Clare 2-10
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 13, 2023, 02:20:01 PM
Half time in the intermediate final
Kildare 2-6 Clare 0-5
Kildare hang on after a late rally by Clare. Result Kildare 2-11 Clare 2-10
There's an obsession in ladies football to run the ball through the hands the entire length of the pitch. In the last 8 minutes a toothless Clare suddenly kicked a few balls in and almost stole the game. Lesson in that surely
Kildare used to be much better for kicking it years ago but now they rarely do and the hand passing is all these loopy yokes.
Delighted with the win, but luckily Clare went at it too late.
The tackle/ charging laws are a joke. Player just falls when the person WITH the ball comes near them and it's a free out.
The Senior Final should be a good one.
Very decent crowd there. My own lassie at it with the local club. Hoping for a good game now.
Why the black shorts for Kerry?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 13, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
Why the black shorts for Kerry?
A lot of girls teams changing the colour of their shorts this past while.
Rugby clubs at it also.
Due to period anxieties.
Dublin not messing about! Kerry doesn't know what's hit them so far
Hannah Tyrell has the woman of match all ready. The kerry selectors who were very vocal in semi final are pretty quiet today.
Application of the charging rule is v v poor.
Enforcement of the free kick position is worse.
Half time Dublin 0-11 Kerry 0-4. Dublin the more athletic team.
Big gulf in class alright in that first half.
Tyrell is a class act, Kerry have no answer. Unless they bang in a goal or two early in 2nd half I can't see this being a contest at all.
Great coverage as ever however a bit of over kill with all the TG4 advertising.
Kerry will need goals.
They've had a few half chances but handling and decision making is poor.
The LGFA have enough sense to put their team from the past on at half time, not hours before the crowd arrive.
Kerry a bit disappointing, so far.
Hannah Tyrrell used to play rugby for Ireland, she was a full back. Very talented lady.
Dirty from the kerry 15, who is not playing well.
Kerry have nk forward , at all.
Result Dublin 0-18 Kerry 1-10. Two in a row All Ireland final defeats for Kerry meanwhile it's Dublin's 5th All Ireland title won in the last 7 years and the other two was won by neighbours Meath.
Economics at work ;)
Has Mick Bohan managed any men's county football teams?
Quote from: marty34 on August 13, 2023, 07:32:40 PM
Has Mick Bohan managed any men's county football teams?
No but he was heavily linked with Roscommon a few years back. Seems a good coach.
Quote from: Rudi on August 13, 2023, 07:54:40 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 13, 2023, 07:32:40 PM
Has Mick Bohan managed any men's county football teams?
No but he was heavily linked with Roscommon a few years back. Seems a good coach.
He's excellent, I've been to a few of his coaching demonstrations and they were very interesting
I think he coached Clare early in Colm Collins' tenure
Quote from: shark on August 13, 2023, 08:11:46 PM
I think he coached Clare early in Colm Collins' tenure
He coached Clare on 2016. Won D3 and make championship QF that year.
Ok.
Yeah, he seems clued in alright. You'd think a few county teams would be interested in him. Seems to have built a good backroom team around him.
Was involved in the coaching with a few of DCU Sigerson cup winning teams if I recall right.
Quote from: marty34 on August 13, 2023, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 13, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
Why the black shorts for Kerry?
A lot of girls teams changing the colour of their shorts this past while.
Rugby clubs at it also.
Due to period anxieties.
Practicalities. Quite right they are too and hardly before time.
Does the Dublin ladies team get the same type of financial assistance as the men's team?
Quote from: restorepride on August 13, 2023, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 13, 2023, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 13, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
Why the black shorts for Kerry?
A lot of girls teams changing the colour of their shorts this past while.
Rugby clubs at it also.
Due to period anxieties.
Practicalities. Quite right they are too and hardly before time.
Correct. Sensible move.
Al counties/clubs should do the same.
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: restorepride on August 13, 2023, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 13, 2023, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 13, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
Why the black shorts for Kerry?
A lot of girls teams changing the colour of their shorts this past while.
Rugby clubs at it also.
Due to period anxieties.
Practicalities. Quite right they are too and hardly before time.
Correct. Sensible move.
Al counties/clubs should do the same.
I think pretty much all the counties moved away from white shorts over the last year.
Except Wimbledon?
Quote from: Orior on August 15, 2023, 07:41:44 PM
Except Wimbledon?
Ladies from this tournament were allowed to wear dark coloured underwear/shorts under their white kit