Is that Tyrone fcuked? I'd imagine it'll be made up from Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players.
Enda Smith deserves one for completely fecking the reigning PotY's form.
Quote from: ONeill on August 27, 2017, 07:42:45 PM
Is that Tyrone fcuked? I'd imagine it'll be made up from Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players.
Harte will get one for Tyrone. God knows what position! Colm Cav was a shoe-in, but the journalists might decide to do God's work (as they saw themselves doing giving Clarke an undeserved one last year) and punish him by not giving him the one he deserves. Don't rule out SeanC getting a sympathy one. Tiernan must be close, quality footballer, and the keeper will at least get a nomination and may even get the nod if they decide to keep Cluxton away again.
Anything other than Dublin and Mayo players will be sympathy votes
Tyrone will likely get none and maybe just Geaney from the kerry select, Mayo and Dublin will make up the rest
Harte or McCann probably fighting for one position.
The rest of them have no chance.
It'll be Geaney, 1x Tyrone, and the rest will be playing on the 3rd Sunday.
Depending on whether we win the final we have
Clarke
Higgins
Harrison
Boyler
Parsons
AOS
KMcL
Jason Doherty
Andy
COC
Kevin and Doc likely to miss out cause they're smaller names
Harte on front of a half back line of small, keegan and boyle, dont think so
What position does AOS get his all star?
Cluxton
Harrison
Sullivan
Higgins
Keegan
Small
Boyle
Fenton
McCarthy
Kilkenny
Callaghan
Mannion
Moran
OConnor
Rock
wouldn't have O`Connor there, not yet anyway
plus if Dublin win cooper, mcmahon have done little wrong, Andrews either
Quote from: The Trap on August 27, 2017, 08:15:01 PM
Cluxton
Harrison
Sullivan
Higgins
Keegan
Small
Boyle
Fenton
McCarthy
Kilkenny
Callaghan
Mannion
Moran
OConnor
Rock
Keegan should be nowhere near tbh
Just need to turn up in the final
Did you see keegan against Roscommon. Held his own in both games with Kerry too.
Quote from: The Trap on August 27, 2017, 08:22:19 PM
Did you see keegan against Roscommon. Held his own in both games with Kerry too.
Played well first game, missed the second. Anonymous over kerry games, didnt quite look fit and kicked a fair few bad wides
Quote from: The Trap on August 27, 2017, 08:22:19 PM
Did you see keegan against Roscommon. Held his own in both games with Kerry too.
Didn't see him much in the second half.
Brendan Donaghy should get one.
in front of who, you gotta look at the other players in the same position, on what does he earn one considering armagh were thumped by 18 points in the quarter final and he was part of that defence, qualifiers against low ranked teams count for nothing
Would love to see McLoughlin finally get one. I think he's started 45 or 46 consecutive championship games at this stage. More than anyone else on the team.
David Clarke
Benny Harrison
John McManus
Keith Higgins
Peter Harte
Paul Murphy
Jack McCaffrey
Tom Parsons
Colm Cavanagh
Kevin McLoughlin
Aidan O'Shea
Enda Smith
Paul Geaney
Cillian O'Connor
Andy Moran
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 28, 2017, 08:34:03 PM
David Clarke
Benny Harrison
John McManus
Keith Higgins
Peter Harte
Paul Murphy
Jack McCaffrey
Tom Parsons
Colm Cavanagh
Kevin McLoughlin
Aidan O'Shea
Enda Smith
Paul Geaney
Cillian O'Connor
Andy Moran
Where did you copy and paste that from?
7 All Stars for the winners and 6 for the runners ups. One each for Tyrone and Kerry i reckon.
PP odds have the following as top (or joint top) three for each line of the team
Cluxton
Fitzsimons Higgins Harrison / Barrett
Mccaffrey McCarthy Keegan/Boyle
C Cavanagh Fenton
KK AOS McLoughlin
Moran Geaney Callaghan
So currently:
6 Mayo
7 Dublin
1 Tyrone
1 Kerry
Obviously that's all open to change depending on the final. I'd expect Roscommon might get one for their Connacht title too.
POTY betting is:
Moran 4/1
O'Callaghan 5/
Mccaffrey 6/1
Rock 13/2
Cluxton 10/1
AOS 14
Fenton 14
KK 16
Boyle 20
Higgins 20
O'Callaghan already had YPOTY wrapped up and a good final would surely see him as a double winner unless Andy also plays well.
I don't think O'Callaghan is anywhere near PotY. Being on such a dominant team severely downgrades any case to be made for him.
It's Andy's if he scores 3+ in the final, win or lose.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 28, 2017, 10:04:00 PM
Obviously that's all open to change depending on the final. I'd expect Roscommon might get one for their Connacht title too.
They didn't win any All star in 2010 when they won Connacht i think the same will likely happen again. Arguably their best player in the championship was Niall Kilroy and i don't think he's on the paddy power odds?
Andy is the best bet there. It's a player vote, if Andy is on the ticket he wins
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Quote from: macdanger2 on August 28, 2017, 10:04:00 PM
Obviously that's all open to change depending on the final. I'd expect Roscommon might get one for their Connacht title too.
They didn't win any All star in 2010 when they won Connacht i think the same will likely happen again. Arguably their best player in the championship was Niall Kilroy and i don't think he's on the paddy power odds?
Enda Smith single-handedly won the Connacht final. One of the all-time great Connacht final performances. Had a great battle with Keegan in the drawn match coming out on top in the second half. Would have been a shoe-in if not for the flaking in the replay imho.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2017, 09:54:59 PM
7 All Stars for the winners and 6 for the runners ups. One each for Tyrone and Kerry i reckon.
Roscommon and Derry both might get one for drawing with the all ireland champions after 70 minutes.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2017, 09:54:59 PM
7 All Stars for the winners and 6 for the runners ups. One each for Tyrone and Kerry i reckon.
Roscommon and Derry both might get one for drawing with the all ireland champions after 70 minutes.
What about Cork then?
Niall Morgan would be a serious contender!!!
Geaney a shoe in from Kerry - with Murphy a good shout - but hard to see any others outside two finalists. When push came to shove the best players were in the teams that won the semis.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 29, 2017, 12:53:25 AM
Niall Morgan would be a serious contender!!!
Only if Cluxton and Clarke are both dropped for the final and have nightmare games on the bench. Morgan third in line and he cant leap over the other two now. But yeah, he is a contender I suppose - but not a chance really.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 27, 2017, 09:25:11 PM
Brendan Donaghy should get one.
Had a good year but the best he could do would be a nomination. How many nominations are there?
Quote from: BennyCake on August 27, 2017, 09:25:11 PM
Brendan Donaghy should get one.
Easiest position in modern day Gaelic Football with the ultra defensive set up adopted by the majority of teams. Sweepers, Double Sweepers and 14 men behind the ball have all ensured that FB's are a protected species.
The perfect example of this was Ronan McNamee for Tyrone. Superb all year and dominated on the edge of the square but the minute he actually had to defend his position against runners in space he was made to look very poor.
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Quote from: BennyCake on August 27, 2017, 09:25:11 PM
Brendan Donaghy should get one.
Easiest position in modern day Gaelic Football with the ultra defensive set up adopted by the majority of teams. Sweepers, Double Sweepers and 14 men behind the ball have all ensured that FB's are a protected species.
The perfect example of this was Ronan McNamee for Tyrone. Superb all year and dominated on the edge of the square but the minute he actually had to defend his position against runners in space he was made to look very poor.
The same system won Neil McGee a few Allstars as well and made him look like a superstar. It's like a having an extra layer of protection. If Harte had more faith in his full back line he wouldn't feel the need to play as many bodies back behind the ball.
All Ireland winners 7
Runners up 4
Kerry 2
2 between Tyrone Ros and a wild card ( Carlow or Feely of Kildare).
hard to see Cluxton getting one , he has had feck all to do all year
but if Dublin win he probably will
I think the hammerings in the Quaterfinal have lessened the chances any wild card except maybe at full back where none of the top 4 were outstanding probably a corner back will get it
Quote from: rosnarun on August 29, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
hard to see Cluxton getting one , he has had feck all to do all year
but if Dublin win he probably will
I think the hammerings in the Quaterfinal have lessened the chances any wild card except maybe at full back where none of the top 4 were outstanding probably a corner back will get it
hes well up in the poty odds
Quote from: rosnarun on August 29, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
hard to see Cluxton getting one , he has had feck all to do all year
but if Dublin win he probably will
I think the hammerings in the Quaterfinal have lessened the chances any wild card except maybe at full back where none of the top 4 were outstanding probably a corner back will get it
Saved a one on one against Kildare, saved a penalty against Tyrone and his usual precision kick outs. Unless he has a meltdown in the final he will win one. Possibly even player of the year if the Dubs win the AI and he announces his retirement before the votes are cast.
i would say higgins, AOS, moran & boyle are certs for mayo (parsons, harrison and jason doherty all possibilities as well)
geaney will get one for kerry
Tyrone will get one, hopefully colly cavanagh, but possibly harte or mccann instead
for dublin i would say pretty much all of their starting team is in with a shout of an all star with ocallaghan & james mccarthy nailed on, unless they leave out ocallaghan and just give him YPOTY
Cluxton should be nowhere near retirement. He was immensely important on Sunday. The greatest ever goalkeeper and a sportsman of his generation
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
Cluxton should be nowhere near retirement. He was immensely important on Sunday. The greatest ever goalkeeper and a sportsman of his generation
Hopefully the likes of Cluxton and Andy Moran will help put an end to the constant push for players to retire as soon as they approach 30. No need. Class and experience can't be over-rated.
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Quote from: rosnarun on August 29, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
hard to see Cluxton getting one , he has had feck all to do all year
but if Dublin win he probably will
I think the hammerings in the Quaterfinal have lessened the chances any wild card except maybe at full back where none of the top 4 were outstanding probably a corner back will get it
hes well up in the poty odds
I got him at 250-1 for poty preseason
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 29, 2017, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
Cluxton should be nowhere near retirement. He was immensely important on Sunday. The greatest ever goalkeeper and a sportsman of his generation
Hopefully the likes of Cluxton and Andy Moran will help put an end to the constant push for players to retire as soon as they approach 30. No need. Class and experience can't be over-rated.
Far from the cliche that claims the opposite, top level sport in general really is becoming an old man's* game.
*And old woman's.
Someone tell our County Manager.
PS how long before Syfīn bites or barks.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 29, 2017, 12:17:43 PM
i would say higgins, AOS, moran & boyle are certs for mayo (parsons, harrison and jason doherty all possibilities as well)
geaney will get one for kerry
Tyrone will get one, hopefully colly cavanagh, but possibly harte or mccann instead
for dublin i would say pretty much all of their starting team is in with a shout of an all star with ocallaghan & james mccarthy nailed on, unless they leave out ocallaghan and just give him YPOTY
Hope Tiernan McCann gets one this year as i thought he has been excellent.
If mayo win they should just give the entire 1-15 an all star !
Quote from: rosnarun on August 29, 2017, 03:11:41 PM
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Quote from: rosnarun on August 29, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
hard to see Cluxton getting one , he has had feck all to do all year
but if Dublin win he probably will
I think the hammerings in the Quaterfinal have lessened the chances any wild card except maybe at full back where none of the top 4 were outstanding probably a corner back will get it
hes well up in the poty odds
I got him at 250-1 for poty preseason
If Dublin win very likely to get poty.
Paddy McBrearty should get a nomination. Obviously won't win one given Donegal's very poor season, but he was personally superb in the championship this year, even against Tyrone and Galway when all else were being played off the park. Probably his best season to date.
And hopefully whoever gets the manager's job will recognize and make use of the fact that, whatever else we have going or not going for us as we rebuild, we at least have two elite scoring, ball-winning full forwards.
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Quote from: rosnarun on August 29, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
hard to see Cluxton getting one , he has had feck all to do all year
but if Dublin win he probably will
I think the hammerings in the Quaterfinal have lessened the chances any wild card except maybe at full back where none of the top 4 were outstanding probably a corner back will get it
hes well up in the poty odds
I got him at 250-1 for poty preseason
If Dublin win very likely to get poty.
Not true, if Dublin win it'll nominations for Dublin, one for Mayo. As its a player vote the Dublin lads will split and the mayo lad will win it
Andy and AOS are a great bet
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Quote from: rosnarun on August 29, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
hard to see Cluxton getting one , he has had feck all to do all year
but if Dublin win he probably will
I think the hammerings in the Quaterfinal have lessened the chances any wild card except maybe at full back where none of the top 4 were outstanding probably a corner back will get it
hes well up in the poty odds
I got him at 250-1 for poty preseason
If Dublin win very likely to get poty.
Not true, if Dublin win it'll nominations for Dublin, one for Mayo. As its a player vote the Dublin lads will split and the mayo lad will win it
Andy and AOS are a great bet
AOS is a terrible bet. If he squeaks an All-Star he'll be doing well.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 30, 2017, 09:38:22 PM
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Quote from: rosnarun on August 29, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
hard to see Cluxton getting one , he has had feck all to do all year
but if Dublin win he probably will
I think the hammerings in the Quaterfinal have lessened the chances any wild card except maybe at full back where none of the top 4 were outstanding probably a corner back will get it
hes well up in the poty odds
I got him at 250-1 for poty preseason
If Dublin win very likely to get poty.
Not true, if Dublin win it'll nominations for Dublin, one for Mayo. As its a player vote the Dublin lads will split and the mayo lad will win it
Andy and AOS are a great bet
I agree with your logic on the split vote. I would put Moran and Higgins down equally as Mayos 2 best players in this years championship so as always a lot will depend on performances in the final. I don't think Andy will find the Dublin full back line near as generous as the Kerry one. There has been no real stand out Dublin performer they are so well balanced as a side. Cluxton would be the obvious spanner in the works should he get nominated and then announce he is retiring.
I see very little outside of Dublin / Mayo, Geaney will get 1, be the only Kerry man, cant see Tyrone or Roscommon get any, both teams were hammered and none of the men in running for a possible all-star showed anything on the day, we going to pick all-stars on displays against poor teams? nope!! Parson, or the Dublin pair Fenton, McCarthy will take midfield, same for the half back line. Goalkeeper still up for grabs, most others are nailed down and the final performance will sway if the majority go to Mayo or Dublin
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
I see very little outside of Dublin / Mayo, Geaney will get 1, be the only Kerry man, cant see Tyrone or Roscommon get any, both teams were hammered and none of the men in running for a possible all-star showed anything on the day, we going to pick all-stars on displays against poor teams? nope!! Parson, or the Dublin pair Fenton, McCarthy will take midfield, same for the half back line. Goalkeeper still up for grabs, most others are nailed down and the final performance will sway if the majority go to Mayo or Dublin
I think Colm Cavanagh is nailed on to get one for Tyrone. He was about the only Tyrone player to come out of the weekends game with any credit and has consistently been the best midfielder in the country all season. Smith had an outside chance for Roscommon but I don't see him getting one. Geaney is a cert for Kerry and Murphy has an outside chance though not at half back where the competition in recent years is always at its fiercest.
the best midfielder marking no-one, sitting in front of a full back line as a free man, Fenton, McCarthy and Parson are all in front of him
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2017, 10:26:37 PM
the best midfielder marking no-one, sitting in front of a full back line as a free man, Fenton, McCarthy and Parson are all in front of him
Yet still managed to kick 2 points. Fenton has not hit the heights of previous seasons. Parsons and McCarthy have been the pick of the rest.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 30, 2017, 10:24:38 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
I see very little outside of Dublin / Mayo, Geaney will get 1, be the only Kerry man, cant see Tyrone or Roscommon get any, both teams were hammered and none of the men in running for a possible all-star showed anything on the day, we going to pick all-stars on displays against poor teams? nope!! Parson, or the Dublin pair Fenton, McCarthy will take midfield, same for the half back line. Goalkeeper still up for grabs, most others are nailed down and the final performance will sway if the majority go to Mayo or Dublin
I think Colm Cavanagh is nailed on to get one for Tyrone. He was about the only Tyrone player to come out of the weekends game with any credit and has consistently been the best midfielder in the country all season. Smith had an outside chance for Roscommon but I don't see him getting one. Geaney is a cert for Kerry and Murphy has an outside chance though not at half back where the competition in recent years is always at its fiercest.
Yeah, I think Cavanagh is a shoo in
He shouldn't be. Kerry will get Geaney and Murphy maybe still has a shout. Cases can be made for Harte and Cavanagh, but the system failure of Tyrone v Dublin leaves them a bit high and dry. Realistically, everything that happened before the semis is dodgy form. Donegal's implosion in particular puts a lot of things in perspective. Tyrone can hardy expect to get All-Star out of winning Ulster this year. If anything Connacht was more difficult and Roscommon wont be putting hands up for any.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
I see very little outside of Dublin / Mayo, Geaney will get 1, be the only Kerry man, cant see Tyrone or Roscommon get any, both teams were hammered and none of the men in running for a possible all-star showed anything on the day, we going to pick all-stars on displays against poor teams? nope!! Parson, or the Dublin pair Fenton, McCarthy will take midfield, same for the half back line. Goalkeeper still up for grabs, most others are nailed down and the final performance will sway if the majority go to Mayo or Dublin
I think Colm Cavanagh is nailed on to get one for Tyrone. He was about the only Tyrone player to come out of the weekends game with any credit and has consistently been the best midfielder in the country all season. Smith had an outside chance for Roscommon but I don't see him getting one. Geaney is a cert for Kerry and Murphy has an outside chance though not at half back where the competition in recent years is always at its fiercest.
Yeah, I think Cavanagh is a shoo in
only way he will get one is if they feck around with the positions like they did with cian osullavan a few years back. Parsons and fenton must be favorites with S o Sé and mcCarthy not far behind , not original but that how it normally goes.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
I see very little outside of Dublin / Mayo, Geaney will get 1, be the only Kerry man, cant see Tyrone or Roscommon get any, both teams were hammered and none of the men in running for a possible all-star showed anything on the day, we going to pick all-stars on displays against poor teams? nope!! Parson, or the Dublin pair Fenton, McCarthy will take midfield, same for the half back line. Goalkeeper still up for grabs, most others are nailed down and the final performance will sway if the majority go to Mayo or Dublin
I think Colm Cavanagh is nailed on to get one for Tyrone. He was about the only Tyrone player to come out of the weekends game with any credit and has consistently been the best midfielder in the country all season. Smith had an outside chance for Roscommon but I don't see him getting one. Geaney is a cert for Kerry and Murphy has an outside chance though not at half back where the competition in recent years is always at its fiercest.
Yeah, I think Cavanagh is a shoo in
only way he will get one is if they feck around with the positions like they did with cian osullavan a few years back. Parsons and fenton must be favorites with S o Sé and mcCarthy not far behind , not original but that how it normally goes.
Midfielder odds.
Colm Cavanagh 8/11
Brian Fenton 5/4
Tom Parsons 11/4
Going by that Parsons will have to play very well in the final to win one.
I can't see Cavanagh not getting one tbh. But I think he will be the only one for Tyrone. The other two contenders are in the strongest area for competition (Half back) and while they'll get nominations I don't think either will win.
Both McCarthy and Parson's have been playing better than Fenton this year. I'd have McCarthy and Cavanagh in the driving seat at the minute but that could change depending on the final.