Easter rising commemorations this year,it seems to me anyway.Why is this? Is it the inevitable consequence of the year long celebrations last year,or the drastic revisionism which accompanied last year's celebrations which have left people confused as to whether they should be celebrating or ashamed by the events of Easter 1916.
Can you read over your question again? And be a bit more articulate about what you are trying to say.
There won't be any emphasis until 125th commemorations. That's how it is.
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
And 1916 was just a load of handbag swinging and hair pulling, was it?
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2017, 10:38:31 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
And 1916 was just a load of handbag swinging and hair pulling, was it?
I cant seem to remember Patrick Pearse taking a mother of ten and shooting her before burying her secretly. I fairly sure James Connolly didnt take a man from his family, strap explosives to his body and force him to drive to Dublin Castle. G.S.
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 17, 2017, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2017, 10:38:31 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
And 1916 was just a load of handbag swinging and hair pulling, was it?
I cant seem to remember Patrick Pearse taking a mother of ten and shooting her before burying her secretly. I fairly sure James Connolly didnt take a man from his family, strap explosives to his body and force him to drive to Dublin Castle. G.S.
What about West Cork?
Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2017, 04:54:06 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 17, 2017, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2017, 10:38:31 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
And 1916 was just a load of handbag swinging and hair pulling, was it?
I cant seem to remember Patrick Pearse taking a mother of ten and shooting her before burying her secretly. I fairly sure James Connolly didnt take a man from his family, strap explosives to his body and force him to drive to Dublin Castle. G.S.
What about West Cork?
Whataboutery
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Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2017, 04:54:06 PM
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
And 1916 was just a load of handbag swinging and hair pulling, was it?
I cant seem to remember Patrick Pearse taking a mother of ten and shooting her before burying her secretly. I fairly sure James Connolly didnt take a man from his family, strap explosives to his body and force him to drive to Dublin Castle. G.S.
What about West Cork?
Whataboutery
Was anybody murdered in West Cork ?
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 17, 2017, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2017, 10:38:31 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
And 1916 was just a load of handbag swinging and hair pulling, was it?
I cant seem to remember Patrick Pearse taking a mother of ten and shooting her before burying her secretly. I fairly sure James Connolly didnt take a man from his family, strap explosives to his body and force him to drive to Dublin Castle. G.S.
There was innocent people killed in 1916 and in the War of Independence too, not just the Troubles. People tend to look at 1916-22 through rose-tinted glasses. Connolly, Pearse etc are lauded as those who paved the way for Independence, ie. driving out the Brits from Ireland. Yet when the IRA tried to get rid of the Brits from the North, they're just terrorist/dirty/filthy scum, yet they were only trying to do the same thing
Ya ya ya
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 17, 2017, 08:22:53 PM
Ya ya ya
Great argument, well put together and articulated. You bring a much-needed breath of fresh air to the board
All wars involve psychopaths killing innocent people
http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/humaninterest/war-of-independence-disappeared-recalled-225827.html
http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/cork-spy-files-shed-light-on-killings-during-war-of-independence-418230.html
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
And 1916 was just a load of handbag swinging and hair pulling, was it?
I cant seem to remember Patrick Pearse taking a mother of ten and shooting her before burying her secretly. I fairly sure James Connolly didnt take a man from his family, strap explosives to his body and force him to drive to Dublin Castle. G.S.
There was innocent people killed in 1916 and in the War of Independence too, not just the Troubles. People tend to look at 1916-22 through rose-tinted glasses. Connolly, Pearse etc are lauded as those who paved the way for Independence, ie. driving out the Brits from Ireland. Yet when the IRA tried to get rid of the Brits from the North, they're just terrorist/dirty/filthy scum, yet they were only trying to do the same thing
Anyone who thinks the War of Independence is seen through rose-tinted glasses in the south has very little idea about the south.
The "south" ?
Munster and South Leinster?
I think the unofficial common or garden FF/FG view is that the 1916-21 Volunteers were all cool clean heroes while those 1970 to whatever ones are murderers/terrorists etc.
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
Hypocrite
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Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2017, 08:04:43 PM
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Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2017, 10:38:31 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
And 1916 was just a load of handbag swinging and hair pulling, was it?
I cant seem to remember Patrick Pearse taking a mother of ten and shooting her before burying her secretly. I fairly sure James Connolly didnt take a man from his family, strap explosives to his body and force him to drive to Dublin Castle. G.S.
There was innocent people killed in 1916 and in the War of Independence too, not just the Troubles. People tend to look at 1916-22 through rose-tinted glasses. Connolly, Pearse etc are lauded as those who paved the way for Independence, ie. driving out the Brits from Ireland. Yet when the IRA tried to get rid of the Brits from the North, they're just terrorist/dirty/filthy scum, yet they were only trying to do the same thing
Anyone who thinks the War of Independence is seen through rose-tinted glasses in the south has very little idea about the south.
I didn't say that. The 1916 leaders, Collins etc are looked upon as (Rossfan said) "cool clean heroes", whereas those who did similar during the Troubles are terrorists. One only has to look at how Adams and McGuinness are/were treated by the Irish Government/RTE down through the years. But it's easy to shout from the other side of the fence, when it doesn't concern you anymore.
The 1916 leaders wouldn't be seen as contributing intentionally to civilian deaths though. Collins' and the WoI would be a different hue alright, and would be more in line with some of what went on in the north in relation to informers etc.
I still think a big difference in peoples eyes is events like Warrington, Omagh and other attacks on the civilian population. I don't think that would have been a tactical or strategic aim of the men of 1916 or even of the War of Independence.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2017, 01:14:50 PM
The 1916 leaders wouldn't be seen as contributing intentionally to civilian deaths though. Collins' and the WoI would be a different hue alright, and would be more in line with some of what went on in the north in relation to informers etc.
I still think a big difference in peoples eyes is events like Warrington, Omagh and other attacks on the civilian population. I don't think that would have been a tactical or strategic aim of the men of 1916 or even of the War of Independence.
Nope but had the IRA lost the wAr before the treaty was signed (Collins himself said they were literally out on their feet) would the war been taken to a new level and brought across to the English on their own soil?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2017, 01:14:50 PM
The 1916 leaders wouldn't be seen as contributing intentionally to civilian deaths though. Collins' and the WoI would be a different hue alright, and would be more in line with some of what went on in the north in relation to informers etc.
I still think a big difference in peoples eyes is events like Warrington, Omagh and other attacks on the civilian population. I don't think that would have been a tactical or strategic aim of the men of 1916 or even of the War of Independence.
Nope but had the IRA lost the wAr before the treaty was signed (Collins himself said they were literally out on their feet) would the war been taken to a new level and brought across to the English on their own soil?
Who knows? I wouldn't rule it out, certainly.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2017, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2017, 01:14:50 PM
The 1916 leaders wouldn't be seen as contributing intentionally to civilian deaths though. Collins' and the WoI would be a different hue alright, and would be more in line with some of what went on in the north in relation to informers etc.
I still think a big difference in peoples eyes is events like Warrington, Omagh and other attacks on the civilian population. I don't think that would have been a tactical or strategic aim of the men of 1916 or even of the War of Independence.
Nope but had the IRA lost the wAr before the treaty was signed (Collins himself said they were literally out on their feet) would the war been taken to a new level and brought across to the English on their own soil?
Who knows? I wouldn't rule it out, certainly.
Michael Collins sent a squad to London to assasinate the British Cabinet. Cathal Brugha spent a number of days in the Visitors Gallery with two handguns in his pocket while several volunteers spent their days tracking British ministers around London
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 18, 2017, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 18, 2017, 11:51:10 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
One word, Dunmanway.
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 18, 2017, 06:28:10 PM
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
One word, Dunmanway.
Two words. Gob shite
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 18, 2017, 06:39:50 PM
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
One word, Dunmanway.
Two words. Gob shite
You don't know the history
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
One word, Dunmanway.
Two words. Gob shite
You don't know the history
I know the history unlike a few here who have swallowed propaganda portrayed as history
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
One word, Dunmanway.
Two words. Gob shite
You don't know the history
I know the history unlike a few here who have swallowed propaganda portrayed as history
So why do you say 1916-21 was pure as the driven snow?
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
One word, Dunmanway.
Two words. Gob shite
You don't know the history
I know the history unlike a few here who have swallowed propaganda portrayed as history
So why do you say 1916-21 was pure as the driven snow?
Show me where I said that
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 18, 2017, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 18, 2017, 11:51:10 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2017, 04:54:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2017, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2017, 01:14:50 PM
The 1916 leaders wouldn't be seen as contributing intentionally to civilian deaths though. Collins' and the WoI would be a different hue alright, and would be more in line with some of what went on in the north in relation to informers etc.
I still think a big difference in peoples eyes is events like Warrington, Omagh and other attacks on the civilian population. I don't think that would have been a tactical or strategic aim of the men of 1916 or even of the War of Independence.
Nope but had the IRA lost the wAr before the treaty was signed (Collins himself said they were literally out on their feet) would the war been taken to a new level and brought across to the English on their own soil?
Who knows? I wouldn't rule it out, certainly.
Neither would I. It wouldn't have been the first time either.
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Condemning the sectarian murder of ten men is anti nationalist propaganda?
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
Do you condemn Dunmanway or was the sectarian murder of protestants acceptable in order to remove British rule in the free state?
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Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
Do you condemn Dunmanway or was the sectarian murder of protestants acceptable in order to remove British rule in the free state?
I condemn all sectarian killings. I am round long enough to know that the action of the old IRA wasn't always honourable or justifiable unlike those who think the ends justify the means
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
Do you condemn Dunmanway or was the sectarian murder of protestants acceptable in order to remove British rule in the free state?
I condemn all sectarian killings. I am round long enough to know that the action of the old IRA wasn't always honourable or justifiable unlike those who think the ends justify the means
So did the old IRA besmirched true Republicanism as well?
If you look at the last 3 or 4 months of the Civil War it had descended to annoying brigandage and vandalism in many places.
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Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
Do you condemn Dunmanway or was the sectarian murder of protestants acceptable in order to remove British rule in the free state?
I condemn all sectarian killings. I am round long enough to know that the action of the old IRA wasn't always honourable or justifiable unlike those who think the ends justify the means
So did the old IRA besmirched true Republicanism as well?
If certain elements of the Old IRA executed anyone for the sole reason of that persons religion then they were not following the Republican ideals of Wolfe Tone and the 1916 Proclamation. What is your difficulty in grasping that?
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Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
I take exception to this, I do not and have never condoned or supported violence against any target, whether state or civilian. However if you are going to condemn Republican violence in the current era 1960 to now then be consistent and condemn Tone, Pearse, De Valera, Collins et al. You also need to view it in context which you have blindly failed to do. Understanding the origins of a conflict or violent act is not the same as condoning it. But you with your biased analysis are obviously incapable of doing so.
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Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
I take exception to this, I do not and have never condoned or supported violence against any target, whether state or civilian. However if you are going to condemn Republican violence in the current era 1960 to now then be consistent and condemn Tone, Pearse, De Valera, Collins et al. You also need to view it in context which you have blindly failed to do. Understanding the origins of a conflict or violent act is not the same as condoning it. But you with your biased analysis are obviously incapable of doing so.
I am condemning sectarian violence carried out by so called republicans in any era
Likewise with sectarian violence carried by any other forces. And you know what you can do with your 'analysis' The first four letters is a clue
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Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
I take exception to this, I do not and have never condoned or supported violence against any target, whether state or civilian. However if you are going to condemn Republican violence in the current era 1960 to now then be consistent and condemn Tone, Pearse, De Valera, Collins et al. You also need to view it in context which you have blindly failed to do. Understanding the origins of a conflict or violent act is not the same as condoning it. But you with your biased analysis are obviously incapable of doing so.
I am condemning sectarian violence carried out by so called republicans in any era
Likewise with sectarian violence carried by any other forces. And you know what you can do with your 'analysis' The first four letters is a clue
What a charming person you are, lose the debate and get abusive.
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Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
Do you condemn Dunmanway or was the sectarian murder of protestants acceptable in order to remove British rule in the free state?
I condemn all sectarian killings. I am round long enough to know that the action of the old IRA wasn't always honourable or justifiable unlike those who think the ends justify the means
So did the old IRA besmirched true Republicanism as well?
If certain elements of the Old IRA executed anyone for the sole reason of that persons religion then they were not following the Republican ideals of Wolfe Tone and the 1916 Proclamation. What is your difficulty in grasping that?
None what so ever. I just find it hard, given the fact the you admit that actions of the old IRA weren't always justifiable or honorable, that you felt it was OK for thousands to come out in support of them. I suppose it's similar to some of the most recent IRA supporters, they tend to take a rose-tinted view of things.
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Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
Do you condemn Dunmanway or was the sectarian murder of protestants acceptable in order to remove British rule in the free state?
I condemn all sectarian killings. I am round long enough to know that the action of the old IRA wasn't always honourable or justifiable unlike those who think the ends justify the means
So did the old IRA besmirched true Republicanism as well?
If certain elements of the Old IRA executed anyone for the sole reason of that persons religion then they were not following the Republican ideals of Wolfe Tone and the 1916 Proclamation. What is your difficulty in grasping that?
None what so ever. I just find it hard, given the fact the you admit that actions of the old IRA weren't always justifiable or honorable, that you felt it was OK for thousands to come out in support of them. I suppose it's similar to some of the most recent IRA supporters, they tend to take a rose-tinted view of things.
There hasn't been a conflict in the world where either side did not do acts which were contrary to the Geneva Convention. What is wrong is to believe the side you support is completely right in all their actions and refuse to acknowledge their failings.
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Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
I take exception to this, I do not and have never condoned or supported violence against any target, whether state or civilian. However if you are going to condemn Republican violence in the current era 1960 to now then be consistent and condemn Tone, Pearse, De Valera, Collins et al. You also need to view it in context which you have blindly failed to do. Understanding the origins of a conflict or violent act is not the same as condoning it. But you with your biased analysis are obviously incapable of doing so.
I am condemning sectarian violence carried out by so called republicans in any era
Likewise with sectarian violence carried by any other forces. And you know what you can do with your 'analysis' The first four letters is a clue
What a charming person you are, lose the debate and get abusive.
Thank you
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Quote from: Avondhu star on April 16, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
Theres no confusion in the minds of the vast majority who came out in their thousands to celebrate the centenary by taking the Rising back from the murder gang who besmirched true Republicanism for the last 40 years by their sectarian campaign.
No one pays much heed to the revisionists.
One word. Kingsmill.
Hypocrite
And do you know what precipitated Kingsmill?
The selection of men for execution on the basis of their religion is a sectarian act and cannot be defended or excused by any true Republican.
Not defending it, but I'm sock of people like you who view the troubles in the North through the lens of anti nationalist propaganda, whether that is because you are too young to remember the 50's, 60's and 70's or from the safe haven of the Irish Republic.
Theres always a but. I condemn Greysteel and Loughlinisland as well. I don't differentiate between sectarian slaughter.
I have no doubt there are Loyalists who are like you except they defend Greysteel and condemn Kingsmill.
Do you condemn Dunmanway or was the sectarian murder of protestants acceptable in order to remove British rule in the free state?
I condemn all sectarian killings. I am round long enough to know that the action of the old IRA wasn't always honourable or justifiable unlike those who think the ends justify the means
So did the old IRA besmirched true Republicanism as well?
If certain elements of the Old IRA executed anyone for the sole reason of that persons religion then they were not following the Republican ideals of Wolfe Tone and the 1916 Proclamation. What is your difficulty in grasping that?
None what so ever. I just find it hard, given the fact the you admit that actions of the old IRA weren't always justifiable or honorable, that you felt it was OK for thousands to come out in support of them. I suppose it's similar to some of the most recent IRA supporters, they tend to take a rose-tinted view of things.
There hasn't been a conflict in the world where either side did not do acts which were contrary to the Geneva Convention. What is wrong is to believe the side you support is completely right in all their actions and refuse to acknowledge their failings.
That's very true. I suppose some people tend to gloss over some of the atrocities by the old IRA to justify the end.