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Re: man city new invincibles
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2018, 09:34:37 AM »
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

From 1-0?? No I dont think so. Liverpool were battered in the first half regardless of whether it was 1-0 or 2-0. Klopp steadied the ship and Liverpool battered City in the second half. No contest. Better team won on the night and in the tie.

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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2018, 09:42:00 AM »
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

That would have been my sense as well. I thought they came out in the second half totally deflated and could not get the same tempo going.

I'm no fan of City, but I thought across the last three games they have got the wrong end of half a dozen huge refereeing decisions, that were game changers, and I'm not referring to any dubious penalty decisions last night.   


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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2018, 09:47:05 AM »
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul.
Exactly this.
There was nothing in the initial clip that he was appealing for , but the following push out over the line was certainly a foul and took him out of the game for the city break which they scored from.
The sane goal obviously should have stood, but i can see how the referee got this wrong as it wasn't obvious on first look that it had came off Milner and not Jesus.
You can argue that this decision changed the shape of the tie, but no more so that allowing the first city goal after 2 minutes, which put liverpool under immense pressure right from the very start of the game
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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2018, 09:48:01 AM »
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

That would have been my sense as well. I thought they came out in the second half totally deflated and could not get the same tempo going.

I'm no fan of City, but I thought across the last three games they have got the wrong end of half a dozen huge refereeing decisions, that were game changers, and I'm not referring to any dubious penalty decisions last night.
Half a dozen??
ah now come on  ;D
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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2018, 09:55:18 AM »
Plenty of decisions went City's way earlier on in the season, can remember Bravo's tackle last year which could have broke Rooney's leg which would have been a pen and a red card. These things happen, City should be more concerned why their team manage to concede so many goals in a short space of time, its a reoccurring theme for Pep.

City look tired in the last 2 games as did Bayern when did in the later stages of Europe when Pep was their, he flogs his players earlier on in the season and naturally later on in the season it affects them. I saw stats a few months ago which showed how much City were putting into games in terms of sprints, they would sprint far more in games then everyone else. He's had plenty of opportunity to rest his best players earlier on in the season but he didn't, he's flogged De Bruyne and its showed the past week.

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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2018, 09:56:31 AM »
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

That would have been my sense as well. I thought they came out in the second half totally deflated and could not get the same tempo going.

I'm no fan of City, but I thought across the last three games they have got the wrong end of half a dozen huge refereeing decisions, that were game changers, and I'm not referring to any dubious penalty decisions last night.
Half a dozen??
ah now come on  ;D

Well, off the top of my head Liverpool's first goal at Annfield and a City goal disallowed for same - two offside decisions - two penalty claims against Ashley Young in the Manchester derby - and the 'offside' goal not given last night.

Five that come to mind straightaway.


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Re: man city new invincibles
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2018, 09:58:06 AM »
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul.

I wasn't ignoring it I was simply wondering what it was that he was complaining about as I had been watching that part of the match without sound.
You clearly are ignoring it. As Hound said the second incident where Sterling pushes VVD over the sideline is a definite foul so therefore the first goal should not have stood. If City don't score after 2 mins of the game then it's an entirely different game. Yes the Sane goal should have been given but you can't just ignore the fact their first goal shouldn't have been.

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Re: man city new invincibles
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2018, 10:04:16 AM »
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

From 1-0?? No I dont think so. Liverpool were battered in the first half regardless of whether it was 1-0 or 2-0. Klopp steadied the ship and Liverpool battered City in the second half. No contest. Better team won on the night and in the tie.

2-0 at ht and it is going exactly to plan for City.

The nerves would have definitely set in - as it was the disallowed goal gave Liverpool a great lift and you could see City arguing with the ref going in at half time and still hadnt composed themselves when the 2nd half started

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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2018, 10:17:03 AM »
In all seriousness to me it looks like City have just run out of energy at the wrong time.

The defeat at Anfield was a big blow, Liverpool had way more energy and drive that night. Against United in another big game they were only able to play in fits and starts and not close the game out, again last night they did not look fresh or full of zip as they have done for most of the season.

Credit to Liverpool the way they set up for both legs.

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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2018, 10:19:19 AM »
In all seriousness to me it looks like City have just run out of energy at the wrong time.

Was thinking that myself. It's a pity they are so far ahead in the league though.
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Re: man city new invincibles
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2018, 08:32:07 AM »
Another one in the bag without even kicking a ball.

Utd are a seriously bad outfit and it looks like JM has lost the dressing room as there is no way players could all play so badly at the same time. Atrocious outfit.
Spurs should pump them next week in Cup.

In fact it shows how poor some of the other teams in the league are when they are second.

Liverpool look the only team who could challenge us next season

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Re: man city new invincibles
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2018, 08:35:37 AM »
Another one in the bag without even kicking a ball.

Utd are a seriously bad outfit and it looks like JM has lost the dressing room as there is no way players could all play so badly at the same time. Atrocious outfit.
Spurs should pump them next week in Cup.

In fact it shows how poor some of the other teams in the league are when they are second.

Liverpool look the only team who could challenge us next season

They won't.

And as for Liverpool, is this the first instance of Next Year is Our Year spouted by an opposition fan? :)

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Re: man city new invincibles
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2018, 09:06:00 AM »
Another one in the bag without even kicking a ball.

Utd are a seriously bad outfit and it looks like JM has lost the dressing room as there is no way players could all play so badly at the same time. Atrocious outfit.
Spurs should pump them next week in Cup.

In fact it shows how poor some of the other teams in the league are when they are second.

Liverpool look the only team who could challenge us next season

They won't.

And as for Liverpool, is this the first instance of Next Year is Our Year spouted by an opposition fan? :)

 ;D
Maybe when you hear something so often you start to believe it.

Spurs werent good on Saturday but at least they have something about them. Hope JM stays at that club for life

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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2018, 09:39:23 AM »
This article is from 2016 before Guardiola went to Manchester City.
Very interesting given the Champions League exits to Monaco and now Liverpool. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-guardiola-failed-in-his-main-task-at-bayern-1.2640203
 Ken Early: Guardiola failed in his main task at Bayern
Bayern’s idea was to dominate the Champions League as Guardiola’s Barcelona had
 
‘I’ve done my best here,” said Pep Guardiola after losing his third and last Champions League semi-final with FC Bayern. “But if you say that I had to win the Champions League, then I’ve failed. Go ahead and write that I have failed.”
Actually, the verdicts have been rather restrained. Last week, when Atlético Madrid knocked Bayern out, the crowd in Munich didn’t boo. They had too much respect for the effort they had seen from their team. But the fact that Guardiola and Bayern tried doesn’t mean they haven’t failed.
Guardiola’s Bayern dominated the Bundesliga so thoroughly that the three leagues they won under him rank among the least exciting title races in German history. But Bayern did not hire him to win the Bundesliga. They have 80 per cent more money than their closest rivals, Borussia Dortmund, and keep buying their best players.
As Felix Magath pointed out: “In these circumstances it would have been more surprising if he had not won the league.”
No, Bayern’s idea was to dominate the Champions League as Guardiola’s Barcelona had done. They wanted to stamp the name of Bayern indelibly on the era. Instead, 2013-16 will go down as an age of Spanish dominance unprecedented since the start of the 1960s.

Too perfect

Catalan writer Sònia Gelmà suggests that Guardiola’s problem is that he is simply “too perfect”. “Too educated, too elegant, too neat, too successful.” She argues that Guardiola’s extreme accomplishment aroused suspicion and resentment. She advises those who would judge Guardiola a failure: do so by all means, but at least be consistent. “Judge yourself by the same standards, and then try not to kill yourself.”

Guardiola is certainly one of those guys who seems to have it all, and when such a figure suffers a setback there is often more schadenfreude than sympathy. And Guardiola has had an incredible career; the charge that he is “a failure” is absurd.
But the charge that he has failed at Bayern is not. And the notion that any criticism of the maestro must be rooted in envy of his perfection is laughable. Guardiola was good at Bayern, but he was far from perfect.
For a start, a perfect coach would not have been so quick to point the finger at others when things went wrong.
Marti Perarnau’s book Pep Confidential records that Guardiola spent the night of Bayern’s 4-0 defeat to Real Madrid in the 2014 semi-final cursing himself – not for having lost 4-0, but for having allowed his players to talk him into an excessively-attacking approach. This, he reckoned, had been the biggest mistake of his career. Ostensibly taking all the blame, he found a subtle way to share it with the players.
In 2015, it was the doctors’ turn to let Guardiola down. There had been rumours of discord between Guardiola and Bayern’s medical department for weeks by the time of the match at Bayer Leverkusen in April, when the coach reacted to Mehdi Benatia’s injury by turning around to his bench and ostentatiously showering the medics with sarcastic applause. A few days later, the medical department quit en masse, saying they were no longer prepared to put up with Guardiola blaming them for bad results.
Their replacements have fared little better. Guardiola seems unwilling to accept that injuries are part of the game. Last week, Bild reported that he had again lost his temper with Bayern’s doctors, demanding to know why they couldn’t get Arjen Robben fit when Atletico Madrid’s doctors had got Diego Godín back in action after barely a week out injured.
The coach reacted to that report by blaming a mole who, he claimed, had blabbed dressing room secrets “in order to hit me”. Disagreements in football are normal, he said, but usually they stay in the dressing room. A pity that last year he couldn’t remember his own rule about disagreements staying in-house, instead of publicly humiliating his medical team in a packed stadium.
These lapses could have been forgiven if Guardiola’s football genius had made the difference in more of the key moments.
“They say you defend well if you have 11 men in the box, like Bayern had with Trapattoni and Hitzfeld,” Guardiola said. “But my idea is completely different. I like to defend by playing the game 40 metres away from our goal.”
Bayern would play this way against mediocre German sides, winning easily and barely conceding a shot. But the defining international image of Guardiola’s Bayern will be of a superstar of world football – Ronaldo, or Bale, or Messi, or Neymar, or Suarez, or Griezmann – eluding through a high Bayern line and bearing down on Manuel Neuer. In the big matches, that 40 metres of space always seemed to work against Bayern.

There was one sure way for Guardiola to avoid the charge of failure. It was to stick around at Bayern until he had finished the job he had been hired to do. Instead, he joined Manchester City, who offered him more money and more control. At City he will face very different problems from the ones he faced at Bayern, and he can prove new dimensions of his greatness.
But let’s not pretend what happened at Bayern was anything other than a bitter disappointment for everyone involved.
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Re: man city new invincibles
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2018, 12:40:58 PM »
City in the news the last week.

Who'd have thought City were up to no good when their commercial revenues are over £100m more than Liverpool's and Chelsea's and so many of their sponsors are from the same part of the world as the owners.