The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Jurgen walks - Stallion vindicated

[J70]

Too many off-form, tired, stale players. They don't have the speed and touch to do the quick give and go's which were working so well the last couple of years at breaking down packed defenses. I honestly cannot see where a goal is coming from. How many balls did TAA clip onto the head of the first defender? Even when Origi went through unchallenged, you knew he wouldn't score!

This season is a write-off. The form of the other teams might keep them in touch with top four, IF they can get going over the next few weeks, but they won't finish within 20 points of the top.

Leipzig must be rubbing their hands in glee!

As must United for this weekend.

Just have to grind through it, hope to qualify for the Champions League, and start again next season. They've hit the wall for now.

[Captain Obvious]

Few expected Burnley to end Liverpools unbeaten run at home. 1974 since they went home with all 3 points from Anfield.

[Milltown Row2]

While it may look depressing, Liverpool are a quality team suffering with injuries and a disjointed team,  if they don't buy a CH a midfielder and an attacker to replace Origi then they'll not improve.

Unreal last two seasons, that can't just go like that. Burnley are grafters.

[trileacman]

Pundits completely missing the point again. Loss of the centre halfs has nothing to do with it. I don't even see the need to buy one unless we trade Matip out. It's not our defence that's the problem it's the attack and in particular Firmino. He's done, past it. When he's in form we're unstoppable like against Cyrstal Palace but those days are as rare as hens teeth. He's constantly butchering chances, slowing down the attack, taking the wrong option. If we'd an absolute world class centre forward it would solve a lot of our problems. A goal scorer with a very good touch who can link the play with those around him. The 2 best players in the world at it are lewandoski and Haland. Lewandoski is past it so unless anyone else knows a 9 who likes to play on the break but can also bring other players into it when holding the ball up.

The next big problem is TAA. He's bad, like so bad that I'd play anyone ahead of him at right back. His form is even worse than Firmino, everything he touches is turning to shit. His greatest assest, his passing is completely gone awry, if he doesn't get a good break from the 1st team he'll never get over this slump. I don't know if its mental or burnout or what his problem is but he needs a good break from football to clear his head.

Lastly Klopp is letting us down badly against these teams who sit back and play narrow. We're constantly trying to play through the centre and getting nowhere. The team needs to either play crosses in behind the defence from 30 yards or else run the sideline and get in behind the full backs to get in crosses. Balls delivered into the box between keeper and a backtracking defence punishes teams with a lot of men back because there's a much greater chance someone will poke the ball past their own keeper. We spent the entire last 30 mins trying to play the ball through 10 men camped on the edge of the box. It was never going to work.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Pundits completely missing the point again. Loss of the centre halfs has nothing to do with it. I don't even see the need to buy one unless we trade Matip out. It's not our defence that's the problem it's the attack and in particular Firmino. He's done, past it. When he's in form we're unstoppable like against Cyrstal Palace but those days are as rare as hens teeth. He's constantly butchering chances, slowing down the attack, taking the wrong option. If we'd an absolute world class centre forward it would solve a lot of our problems. A goal scorer with a very good touch who can link the play with those around him. The 2 best players in the world at it are lewandoski and Haland. Lewandoski is past it so unless anyone else knows a 9 who likes to play on the break but can also bring other players into it when holding the ball up.

The next big problem is TAA. He's bad, like so bad that I'd play anyone ahead of him at right back. His form is even worse than Firmino, everything he touches is turning to shit. His greatest assest, his passing is completely gone awry, if he doesn't get a good break from the 1st team he'll never get over this slump. I don't know if its mental or burnout or what his problem is but he needs a good break from football to clear his head.

Lastly Klopp is letting us down badly against these teams who sit back and play narrow. We're constantly trying to play through the centre and getting nowhere. The team needs to either play crosses in behind the defence from 30 yards or else run the sideline and get in behind the full backs to get in crosses. Balls delivered into the box between keeper and a backtracking defence punishes teams with a lot of men back because there's a much greater chance someone will poke the ball past their own keeper. We spent the entire last 30 mins trying to play the ball through 10 men camped on the edge of the box. It was never going to work.

Agree and disagee on a few things there. We absolutely do need a CB, even on loan. It seem VVD will be back sooner than expected so i understand if we don't sign anyone but a loan, someone like Militao as mentioned should be brought it to bolster options. While I agree about Firmino and trent, the problems in defence are therefore meaning we need to play Henderson and Fabinho in CB which hinders our midfield which in turns has a detrimental impact on attack and play going forward in general, VVD played like a quarterback and that has an impact on attack. The CB injuries alone have had a knock on impact throughout the whole team.

Lewandowski isnt finished, hes the best striker in the world and has been for a few years. We'll not be signing him though anyway.

On our play, i don't know what games you've been watching but all we did tonight was cross, and fire countless aimless crosses into the box and that is the problem. Trent and Robertson have been shocking and their crossing has let us down. In actual fact it seems like we don't have the confidence to play through the middle enough, Man City have the right idea, but we just resort to putting in aimless crosses, almost like a cop-out. Of course it doesn't help when our whole team is off form either and playing without confidence.

[seafoid]

Liverpool seem to be in sync with the Limerick hurlers and their second season syndrome.

[laoislad]

Pundits completely missing the point again. Loss of the centre halfs has nothing to do with it. I don't even see the need to buy one unless we trade Matip out. It's not our defence that's the problem it's the attack and in particular Firmino. He's done, past it. When he's in form we're unstoppable like against Cyrstal Palace but those days are as rare as hens teeth. He's constantly butchering chances, slowing down the attack, taking the wrong option. If we'd an absolute world class centre forward it would solve a lot of our problems. A goal scorer with a very good touch who can link the play with those around him. The 2 best players in the world at it are lewandoski and Haland. Lewandoski is past it so unless anyone else knows a 9 who likes to play on the break but can also bring other players into it when holding the ball up.

The next big problem is TAA. He's bad, like so bad that I'd play anyone ahead of him at right back. His form is even worse than Firmino, everything he touches is turning to shit. His greatest assest, his passing is completely gone awry, if he doesn't get a good break from the 1st team he'll never get over this slump. I don't know if its mental or burnout or what his problem is but he needs a good break from football to clear his head.

Lastly Klopp is letting us down badly against these teams who sit back and play narrow. We're constantly trying to play through the centre and getting nowhere. The team needs to either play crosses in behind the defence from 30 yards or else run the sideline and get in behind the full backs to get in crosses. Balls delivered into the box between keeper and a backtracking defence punishes teams with a lot of men back because there's a much greater chance someone will poke the ball past their own keeper. We spent the entire last 30 mins trying to play the ball through 10 men camped on the edge of the box. It was never going to work.

Agree and disagee on a few things there. We absolutely do need a CB, even on loan. It seem VVD will be back sooner than expected so i understand if we don't sign anyone but a loan, someone like Militao as mentioned should be brought it to bolster options. While I agree about Firmino and trent, the problems in defence are therefore meaning we need to play Henderson and Fabinho in CB which hinders our midfield which in turns has a detrimental impact on attack and play going forward in general, VVD played like a quarterback and that has an impact on attack. The CB injuries alone have had a knock on impact throughout the whole team.

Lewandowski isnt finished, hes the best striker in the world and has been for a few years. We'll not be signing him though anyway.

On our play, i don't know what games you've been watching but all we did tonight was cross, and fire countless aimless crosses into the box and that is the problem. Trent and Robertson have been shocking and their crossing has let us down. In actual fact it seems like we don't have the confidence to play through the middle enough, Man City have the right idea, but we just resort to putting in aimless crosses, almost like a cop-out. Of course it doesn't help when our whole team is off form either and playing without confidence.

I'd love to see them just run at a defence more often. Gini did it once last night and he got into a great position, thought he should have had a shot himself actually like he has done for Holland in the past but even still he created something out of it.
Too often last night it was so predictable, a pass out wide and a cross straight into Popes arms.
I was was screaming at the TV for them to just run at the defence. Chances are they back off and give you room for a shot or they try and tackle and you get a free on the edge of the box or a peno even.Maybe nothing comes out of it but at least it's something different tthan what they were doing.
Last night was crying out for them to try something different IMO.
Everything with their build up play is just gone so slow and predictable the last while.

[johnnycool]

While it may look depressing, Liverpool are a quality team suffering with injuries and a disjointed team,  if they don't buy a CH a midfielder and an attacker to replace Origi then they'll not improve.

Unreal last two seasons, that can't just go like that. Burnley are grafters.

Every team has injuries and ultimately the only real loss is Jiota.

Gomez is an average Joe and I rate VVD very highly but its not the defence who're leaking goals, they're just not creating and finishing enough at the other end.
There's no zip to their play and they've become predictable, Salah in the second half out on the right was cutting in onto his left every time into the Burnley defenders. Ironically it was in one of the last attacks of the game that he went to the byline and put a ball in with his right.
They can't be playing that high tempo, all guns blazing football for the third or fourth season and not be flat at some point.

Klopp has his work cut out for him, so expect to see the stallion along shortly looking for him to be sacked.

[HiMucker]

Did someone say lewandowski is past it lol?

[blasmere]

Did someone say lewandowski is past it lol?

Obviously knows little about football, 22 goals in the Bundesliga this season in 16 games, quite probably the best striker in the world for this past couple of years.

[thewobbler]

The narrative that Liverpool's current attacking problems can be traced back to VVD's absence is quite amusing. Liverpool had no problems scoring goals before he arrived, and not much problems in November and December without him. It's amazing what people can convince themselves of.

Scouse do look jaded. It's not to be unexpected either; the same thing happened to City last season and happens routinely to Chelsea every year after they win a title. The reality is it's much easier to effervescently chase down every last cause when in pursuit of a holy grail, than it is when holding that grail.

Isn't it strange though that footballers across the world, and at every level, when things are going against them resort to pointless high crosses into a penalty box in which they're hugely outnumbered?

[blasmere]

The narrative that Liverpool's current attacking problems can be traced back to VVD's absence is quite amusing. Liverpool had no problems scoring goals before he arrived, and not much problems in November and December without him. It's amazing what people can convince themselves of.

Scouse do look jaded. It's not to be unexpected either; the same thing happened to City last season and happens routinely to Chelsea every year after they win a title. The reality is it's much easier to effervescently chase down every last cause when in pursuit of a holy grail, than it is when holding that grail.

Isn't it strange though that footballers across the world, and at every level, when things are going against them resort to pointless high crosses into a penalty box in which they're hugely outnumbered?

Isn't one of the reasons they are suffering because of VVD and also Gomez's absence the fact they have less pace at the back, therefore they're defending deeper and the press isn't as effective.

[J70]

The narrative that Liverpool's current attacking problems can be traced back to VVD's absence is quite amusing. Liverpool had no problems scoring goals before he arrived, and not much problems in November and December without him. It's amazing what people can convince themselves of.

Scouse do look jaded. It's not to be unexpected either; the same thing happened to City last season and happens routinely to Chelsea every year after they win a title. The reality is it's much easier to effervescently chase down every last cause when in pursuit of a holy grail, than it is when holding that grail.

Isn't it strange though that footballers across the world, and at every level, when things are going against them resort to pointless high crosses into a penalty box in which they're hugely outnumbered?

Isn't one of the reasons they are suffering because of VVD and also Gomez's absence the fact they have less pace at the back, therefore they're defending deeper and the press isn't as effective.

Its definitely one of them.

When's the last time you saw Liverpool score because they pressured the defense into losing the ball?

[thewobbler]

The narrative that Liverpool's current attacking problems can be traced back to VVD's absence is quite amusing. Liverpool had no problems scoring goals before he arrived, and not much problems in November and December without him. It's amazing what people can convince themselves of.

Scouse do look jaded. It's not to be unexpected either; the same thing happened to City last season and happens routinely to Chelsea every year after they win a title. The reality is it's much easier to effervescently chase down every last cause when in pursuit of a holy grail, than it is when holding that grail.

Isn't it strange though that footballers across the world, and at every level, when things are going against them resort to pointless high crosses into a penalty box in which they're hugely outnumbered?

Isn't one of the reasons they are suffering because of VVD and also Gomez's absence the fact they have less pace at the back, therefore they're defending deeper and the press isn't as effective.

Its definitely one of them.

When's the last time you saw Liverpool score because they pressured the defense into losing the ball?

This is called overthinking football.

Take last night.

I'm a genuine fan of Wood and Barnes up front. They are proper hardy, hardworking and intelligent players. But they offer very little in the way of pace. The lack of a high press in this match has nothing to do with VVD and everything to do with Burnley being happy to concede possession and play 10 behind the ball.

[Maroon Manc]

The narrative that Liverpool's current attacking problems can be traced back to VVD's absence is quite amusing. Liverpool had no problems scoring goals before he arrived, and not much problems in November and December without him. It's amazing what people can convince themselves of.

Scouse do look jaded. It's not to be unexpected either; the same thing happened to City last season and happens routinely to Chelsea every year after they win a title. The reality is it's much easier to effervescently chase down every last cause when in pursuit of a holy grail, than it is when holding that grail.

Isn't it strange though that footballers across the world, and at every level, when things are going against them resort to pointless high crosses into a penalty box in which they're hugely outnumbered?

Isn't one of the reasons they are suffering because of VVD and also Gomez's absence the fact they have less pace at the back, therefore they're defending deeper and the press isn't as effective.

Its definitely one of them.

When's the last time you saw Liverpool score because they pressured the defence into losing the ball?

I've seen a bit of you recently and it looks like you're centre half's are still keeping a really high line. I can remember seeing stats on sprints last year so that would be an interesting to see a comparison between Liverpool's front 3 and 2019.

Are teams defending any differently to they did during 2019? I thinks its a combination of factors as opposed to down to one issue.

Klopp's the best manager of his generation and his success in the transfer market cannot be matched in this generation so should be backed more by your owners.