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I'm really not impressed with the technical aspects of gaago - the whole streaming malarkey is yet another reason why this is an ill conceived idea doomed to failure.

Another gripe, we're paying for subscription, why are there ads in there too??

sky sports and tnt sports have adverts and they're a subscription service, it's not a new thing, it's the way of the world of TV/streaming, dont think it's a big issue.

If gaago is doomed to failure as you think, who shows the games they are currently showing? There's 3 games on gaago this evening, there's no way rte commits to that sort of coverage.

Exactly. The games just wouldn't be shown. RTÉ is a national broadcaster not a sports offering and can't just show back to back games or games on several channels at once when it only really has two.

I do think it may potentially fail as it isn't actually that expensive and I do wonder how much they get and how much they make.

The point was that the package should have been made available to another broadcaster. Sky packages were for upwards of 20 games in addition to whatever rte was showing. They had a far greater potential audience than gaago (not that we want more people to see horror show from salthill this evening) and the quality could potentially be HD ot whatever makes it look good on my tv.

I've no issue with them selling the rights to every other fixture to clubber or some of the other streamers to generated additional revenues, but the current model has taken a large chunk of the best games off our screens onto a finicky platform that's subscription only and can only be accessed by someone who goes looking for it.

Casual viewers are lost, promotional opportunities are lost, the GAA becomes less mainstream, more niche and to top it off, as you suggest, they may even be making less money from the whole exercise.
I've said before on here, I'll be very interested in seeing the financials when they appear, the rte element means we'll probably get more insight into them than the GAA usually provides with its numbers and it should quickly become apparent whether or not this is more financially attractive than the risk free option of simply selling a package to a broadcaster.

I'm really not impressed with the technical aspects of gaago - the whole streaming malarkey is yet another reason why this is an ill conceived idea doomed to failure.

Another gripe, we're paying for subscription, why are there ads in there too??

Sure you pay for Sky as well (or you're meant to) and they have ads as well.
I have no issue with ads if its used to reduce subscription costs

Sky is a tv channel offering multiple sports on a high quality viewing platform. Gaago is a dedicated platform for watching a limited number of events on a technically limited basis.
Maybe it was my setup, I was watching using the gaago app and casting to a Chromecast hd, but the quality was a poor substitute for what we've become accustomed to on tv channels.

Thought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as  blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it

Comer 100% made a meal of the initial free obviously not of the stamp.

I didn't see the stamp at first and I'm sure Harte hadn't seen footage by the time he was interviewed either!

Are you serious? It took him out of the game. He hobbled around for 10 mins, took a painkilling injection at half time and went off because he couldn't move soon after. It might've derailed his season

Scandalous comments from Harte really

Too many people are taking the red card as if it's an isolated result. "changed the game", or "Derry performed well with 14"

It took Galway's best player out of the game. If you offered Joyce the option of keeping Comer fit and in the game and leaving Derry with 15 players I'm fairly sure he'd have taken it

On the stamp, absolutely disgraceful and can't be condoned, but just curious if that was comer's injury that has limited him most of the year until now? In other words, was it a targeting of a known injury like the incident with Sean Kelly v Mayo last year?

Silly, but not unexpected behaviour from Mc Kinless.  Let his team mates down badly. Derry needed to start the game well and stay in the game but in reality, the game was over with the deserved red card.

Previous to that, Derry's shooting was brutal. How many did they kick into the keeper's hands? It's shocking at that level. Do they not do shooting at training? - doesn't look like it from today's show.

No Derry goals today and never really created any good chances. Derry scored goals for fun during league. That threat seems, for whatever reason, to be gone currently. 

Since the league final, Derry's momentum has tailed away significantly. After the long break, I'd expect them to be bursting the doors down to rectify the Donegal performance but I'd be really disappointed.  They looked very average and disjointed.

Obviously a few players were injured but lack of championship experience on the bench was telling. The panel must be very light. 

Why were so many let go and why were U20's brought in?

The whole performance reminded me of what we had to endure from about 2012 until 2018. No pace, no dynamism, no invention.

The result was no surprise, the stories floating around of injuries and players leaving the panel pointed to a dilution of the bond these lads seem to have had since Gallagher took over - probably forged over the multiple maniacal sessions he put them through. Discipline was shocking today, is this indicative of discontent on the camp? Someone mentioned the training camp in the sun, was that the catalyst for some of this, was there a limit on numbers who could travel or something of that nature?

The lack of goal threat the last 2 games has been particularly notable, Derry has been built on goals for the last 3 years, the oxygen goals and chances have given the team has spurred them on, built confidence and kept their high octane football mostly on the front foot.

This performance was just insipid, uninspiring, the game was poor quality and not much of a spectacle, Galway weren't great and are still a long way off their potential peak, Walsh was barely in the game (once again), Comer hadn't done much prior to the disgraceful stamping incident, Kelly also a long way off what he's capable of.

Harte's post match interview was laughable, good performance, heartened by the efforts, theatrics, didn't see it etc....
He'd have been better off refusing to talk to them rather than spew that drivel.
All is not lost, we need the team leaders to take control and set examples, mckaigue, Rodgers, Glass, McGuigan et al, they're bound to be hurting. If we can get McEvoy and Doherty back then maybe we can recapture something for Armagh's visit and get a performance more reminiscent of what we've been accustomed to for the last couple of years. Score difference may well make winning the group a big ask from here, but we can still finish second and salvage some championship pride from the season.

What was he doing??!! It's not new but I thought he'd matured and stopped that auld shite!

Totally brainless

Maybe I'm imagining it but the discipline of the team seemed to be a feature of the Gallagher era, none of that sort of shite was tolerated, it seems to be fading more recently?

When you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.

Half back line has been the key line for Derry over the last few years, they really drove the fast transition from defence to attack - entire line (and now sub) from the league final are missing.

I'm really not impressed with the technical aspects of gaago - the whole streaming malarkey is yet another reason why this is an ill conceived idea doomed to failure.

Another gripe, we're paying for subscription, why are there ads in there too??

The Athletic Grounds are a credit to Armagh compared to a lot of places imo. A decent stadium is well worth the money.

Agree to a point, athletic grounds is indeed a great venue. The problem is the plethora of oversized stadia, particularly munster. Every county should have one decent stadium in keeping with their needs.
What we don't need is pissing competitions by county chairmen based on who's stadium is biggest! Similarly, we don't need clubs trying to outdo one another and pouring funds into unnecessary capital projects, even if the funds have been shamed out of some poor tight hoor from ballyholland!

[They bate us out the gate 2 years ago in AI SF in CP when most of this team were playing.]

No version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.

Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.

Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.

I would be more confident going to Kerry or Dublin and getting a result than I am about saturday due to our previous with Galway.

Out of those 3 Galway would be the 1 to choose on the road.  This history v Galway will have no baring at all on Sat. I'd say at most 2 Derry players played in 2015 and will be involved on Sat. Pretty much all of them beat Galway in Salthill in March.

They bate us out the gate 2 years ago in AI SF in CP when most of this team were playing.

And a league result in March will have no bearing esp as Galway had so many out injured at that time.

PS I sincerely hope you are right.

This was much more defensive orientated Derry team in their 2nd year of development. The better team in the first half, beat by 5 after gifting Galway 6 points. Mayo v Donegal in 2013,now that was a team beat out the gate.

Again, playing Galway in Salthill, with this version of Derry will have much less a baring on this game than a potential injury crisis

Derry got a last minute goal to make the scoreboard respectable

Galway got a point tagged on at a half time in ridiculous fashion, granted, the rules didn't cover the scenario, but I'll never forget the look of confusion and disbelief on Glass's face as the point was added.
That a referee in a field sport would retrospectively make a change without resetting the clock to the point in time when the incident occurred is beyond belief imo. In hindsight, we were probably better off missing out on that all Ireland final, it might have done more harm than good!

It's a shame for sure, but if other broadcasters valued the rights enough, they'd be trying to get a package. Sky didn't walk away for no reason.

Sky's model is not the same as TV3 though, one is selling subscriptions to a subset of people and one is selling advertising for the general public. As for trying to get a package, part of the story here is the way the product is divided up. You can set things up to get the most coverage, the most revenue, or something in between. If I was the GAA then I would have a regular chat with TV3 or even UTV and see what they might be interested in. We all recall the magazine programme that the UTV did in the past, which was OK, but they couldn't get the rights to show clips on it, this never made sense.

There is a slight lack of transparency on this
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/virgin-media-throw-further-fuel-on-gaago-fire-with-hard-hitting-statement-aimed-at-gaa-and-rte/a483613199.html

That's it, two very different business models, one with minimal risk to the gaa, they sell the package and get the money and it's up to the broadcaster to make it work. This option be it with sky or tv3 had the added bonus of being available to a much larger audience and therefore being much more impactful in terms of promotion.

The option chosen on the other hand has transferred the risk to the gaa. It appears that this was their preferred option, despite the impact this was always like to have on potential viewership. Presumably a strong business case was made, let's hope the rte guys who drew up the business plan for toy show the musical weren't behind this plan too!

In time the numbers will be revealed and a decision to continue or not will be made. They were certainly very reticent to release anything to the joc last year, has there been any releases on viewership or subscriptions since??

Even if a profit over and above what would have been made by simply selling the package has been made, they will have to decide if the decline in audience and games promotion is worth this additional revenue.

I'm surprised that so many on here appear to be backing jarlath on this one - let's hope none of you are accessing this service illegally

My god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.

Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.

And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.

I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.

Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....

No need to be tarnishing a mans business ffs!

If he's not great at being a pundit, that's grand, but lots of lads behind the computer putting a mans and his families business down is out of order

I didn't see the comments, but cavanagh's firm is doing very well by the looks of it with 4 or 5 offices now open and about 50 staff including many qualified professionals - so I doubt the comments on here would have too much impact on its future. Fair play to him.

Don't see much wrong with cavanagh's comments in that the gaa has huge cash reserves and is undoubtedly cherry picking attractive games to try and drive subscriptions to gaago.
I recall this being denied by rte/gaa last year, but seriously....

Interesting to hear burns now state that he wants gaago to be a major revenue generator for the association, it'd be great to know how the numbers are looking in that regard?
What was the revenue generated for 2023 like, was there a profit generated?
Only when we see the first few years of numbers will we know if this is a failed vanity project, which has caused tremendous harm to the goodwill of gaa and promotion of our games or a crucial revenue generating stream that's here to stay.
I know which scenario my money is on anyway!!

I do think there's a market for a gaa streaming service, but it should be for games that won't be shown on TV otherwise and it should include the various club championships which are currently on a myriad of different platforms.

Genuinely starting to feel sorry for Brolly. GAA people who once valued his opinion now laugh at him, not with him and no-one believes a word he says.

This is true. The only reason he's still in the media at all now seems to be to laugh at him. I don't know anyone who would actually pay any heed to him apart from an eye roll. T'is a sorry state and he's even managed to turn his own against him. Pity, he was entertaining once.

He speaks well on a wide range of non GAA topics on the Free State, some very enjoyable episodes

I haven't listened as I gave up paying heed to him years ago when I heard him tell blatant lies to illustrate a point about an underage team that I had close connections with, I'd say by now most of us have similar stories!
But, he is a good talker and if you aren't familiar with a topic to the extent you are on gaa, then he might make sense, to people informed on those topics, he's probably as full of the same shite that he is when talking about football!!

Any word on Padraig McGrogan's injury?

I heard that it is a cruciate ligament injury. If that's true he's gone for the season.

When did he do that?
Huge loss for us but hopefully he makes a full recovery.
Really need Mckinless's injuries to be cleared up.

Agree big loss for us, I think his early withdrawal in the semi v Kerry last year was a factor in ultimately losing that game. Not sure Mickey was his biggest fan though, seems to have been pulled to shore pretty sharpish these last few games.

Wishing him the best of luck with the rehab and return.