Brexit.

[BennyCake]

What then?

Guy Fawkes had the right idea........

He didn't. They only tell us he had such ideas.

[Ball Hopper]

Martin Wolf in the FT calls the deal
monstrous and says there should be a  People's vote

Which of course is what should have happened in the first place.

1) Negotiate a deal...all 27 EU members agree
2) Referendum...exit deal or stay put in EU
3) If deal accepted, submit the Article 50 2 year notice of exit date
4) If deal rejected, no renegotiation for 10 years at least.

EU should have had these rules in place...not much solace now, but future exit attempts should be roadmapped without delay.

One other question, what would a nation have to do to get expelled from the EU?  Might be an easier path...

[playwiththewind1st]

Invading Poland might be a bit of a no-no.

[Eamonnca1]

Martin Wolf in the FT calls the deal
monstrous and says there should be a  People's vote

Which of course is what should have happened in the first place.

1) Negotiate a deal...all 27 EU members agree
2) Referendum...exit deal or stay put in EU
3) If deal accepted, submit the Article 50 2 year notice of exit date
4) If deal rejected, no renegotiation for 10 years at least.

EU should have had these rules in place...not much solace now, but future exit attempts should be roadmapped without delay.

One other question, what would a nation have to do to get expelled from the EU?  Might be an easier path...

Act like Poland and Hungary are doing now?

[93-DY-SAM]

Martin Wolf in the FT calls the deal
monstrous and says there should be a  People's vote

Which of course is what should have happened in the first place.

1) Negotiate a deal...all 27 EU members agree
2) Referendum...exit deal or stay put in EU
3) If deal accepted, submit the Article 50 2 year notice of exit date
4) If deal rejected, no renegotiation for 10 years at least.

EU should have had these rules in place...not much solace now, but future exit attempts should be roadmapped without delay.

One other question, what would a nation have to do to get expelled from the EU?  Might be an easier path...

Forgetting about the fact Cameron started this sorry mess, this was the way it should have been planned. Negotiate a deal and then have a referendum on that. But the Brits did it all arse about face. All what's ifs now and a serious f**king mess.   

[armaghniac]

Forgetting about the fact Cameron started this sorry mess, this was the way it should have been planned. Negotiate a deal and then have a referendum on that. But the Brits did it all arse about face. All what's ifs now and a serious f**king mess.

The British should at least have decided what they wanted themselves, before triggering Article 50.

[Farrandeelin]

If Boris can get the ERG, and some Labour party rebels onboard, then it would be very tight.

[Eamonnca1]

Tight enough that the Shinners' empty seats come into play?

[Main Street]

If Boris can get the ERG, and some Labour party rebels onboard, then it would be very tight.

This so called deal is doomed.
I don't get why northern nationalists are clinging to the remnants of the arse end of british imperialism to do right by them.  Has recent decades of subvention addiction affected rational perspective?

The whole focus is on what the DUP demands, there's not a peep out of NI nationalists, It's left up to EU representatives to explain that a DUP veto is not an inevitability to be endured and suffered but one  can choose another way.

[drillsergeant]

My figures have it the Deal will be rejected 321  - 318. Had 7Labour MPs voting in favour of the Deal however a few journalists are predicting 10-12 Labour could vote in favour, I still wouldn't rule out Boris edging this.

[omaghjoe]

My figures have it the Deal will be rejected 321  - 318. Had 7Labour MPs voting in favour of the Deal however a few journalists are predicting 10-12 Labour could vote in favour, I still wouldn't rule out Boris edging this.

7 seems at the upper end...what has been the max number of labour rebels on Brexit? I think its was 5 for May's 3rd attempt. Over 10 seems unlikely but stranger things have happened..tho in saying that would it really be that tough of a sell in labour constituencies that are impoverished that this deal will erode your rights even more.

What sylvia hermon gonna do? Seems like a decent deal for NI

What's the chances of an approval referendum being squeezed into the ammendments?

[t_mac]

If Boris can get the ERG, and some Labour party rebels onboard, then it would be very tight.

This so called deal is doomed.
I don't get why northern nationalists are clinging to the remnants of the arse end of british imperialism to do right by them.  Has recent decades of subvention addiction affected rational perspective?

The whole focus is on what the DUP demands, there's not a peep out of NI nationalists, It's left up to EU representatives to explain that a DUP veto is not an inevitability to be endured and suffered but one  can choose another way.

That is because the DUP represents NI in westminister, nationalists don't nor will never have a voice as long as they vote for people not to take their seats in westminister or NI Assembly.

[93-DY-SAM]

If Boris can get the ERG, and some Labour party rebels onboard, then it would be very tight.

This so called deal is doomed.
I don't get why northern nationalists are clinging to the remnants of the arse end of british imperialism to do right by them.  Has recent decades of subvention addiction affected rational perspective?

The whole focus is on what the DUP demands, there's not a peep out of NI nationalists, It's left up to EU representatives to explain that a DUP veto is not an inevitability to be endured and suffered but one  can choose another way.

That is because the DUP represents NI in westminister, nationalists don't nor will never have a voice as long as they vote for people not to take their seats in westminister or NI Assembly.

And you think Sinn Fein taking their seats wouldn't make that place an even bigger circus? They would be ridiculed and sneared at even turn especially from the Conservative benches. Why would they put themselves in that position. They are elected as MPs on an abstentionist  policy.

[t_mac]

If Boris can get the ERG, and some Labour party rebels onboard, then it would be very tight.

This so called deal is doomed.
I don't get why northern nationalists are clinging to the remnants of the arse end of british imperialism to do right by them.  Has recent decades of subvention addiction affected rational perspective?

The whole focus is on what the DUP demands, there's not a peep out of NI nationalists, It's left up to EU representatives to explain that a DUP veto is not an inevitability to be endured and suffered but one  can choose another way.

That is because the DUP represents NI in westminister, nationalists don't nor will never have a voice as long as they vote for people not to take their seats in westminister or NI Assembly.

And you think Sinn Fein taking their seats wouldn't make that place an even bigger circus? They would be ridiculed and sneared at even turn especially from the Conservative benches. Why would they put themselves in that position. They are elected as MPs on an abstentionist  policy.

I was stating fact, maybe they should stand aside at the next election and give up their money to allow SDLP to represent nationalists.

[Rossfan]

The SNP hold nearly 70% of Scotland's Westminster seats.
Their Country voted 62/38 to remain.
How good a deal did they get from taking their seats?