China Coronavirus

[bennydorano]

You need to read more, NI roadmap out on Monday, the last of the 4 UK nations, you mightn't like the timelines but there's clear plans in place, being a halfwit on here won't change it either.

[sid waddell]

The Govt is on a bit of a shaky scraw. Polls indicate voters want an end to lockdown but vaccines at the moment are no silver bullet. Ending lockdown at the wrong time might lead to another one.

We could just spend the next few years chasing the rainbow instead.

Zero covid is a pipe dream on this island, public compliance will increasingly fall - in line with the seasons / weather, if they persist.

Governments all over the west have spent the last year chasing the rainbow, in search of a pipe dream

Meanwhile Zero Covid is working very well in lots of countries

Endless lockdown is extremism

Let it rip is far more extreme again

Zero covid is a pipe dream here as the government and especially NPHET aren't in favour of it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/newschambers/status/1354868661237010435

Have the policies the Irish government pursued for the past year been a pipe dream?

How have they worked?

What now, a year later, can we look back on and say, "that was a good decision", "that was long term planning", "I'm glad they did that", "we can now see the long term benefits"?

Many of those questions will be asked of the NPHET members when some sort of normality returns for now a covid zero approach will remain a pipe dream for those calling the shots.

That isn't an answer though

Surely people have some sort of opinion on this

Public opinion reckoned the Christmas, New Year surge was due to government not fully heeding NPHET and going by latest Times/MRBI opinion poll 68% want to go back to normal once elderly/vulnerable are vaccinated and only 30% support for Zero Covid.

Over the last year the government have made the majority of decisions on the strong advice of NPHET and if they latter felt a zero covid approach was a viable option for this island with two jurisdictions I have no doubt they would have strongly considered it.

Again though, that's not an answer

My strong impression is that NPHET have been playing with one hand tied behind their backs - but also, they are far from infallible

A big problem with government response in this is the absolute inability to admit mistakes - that seems to be the case to some extent with NPHET as well

But we (Ireland) can look back now and say that whatever we were doing over the last year, the place we are in now is not where we wanted to be

Our approach failed

Yet others are in the place they want to be as regards the virus, or as good a place as can be expected

It has been demonstrated that crushing Covid is possible

And that not going for that was political, ie. the barriers to crushing Covid were man made ones

Diarmuid Ferriter had an article yesterday which I thought was decent

He says that the government has infantilised the population, and he's right

They are governing by focus groups and polls, and that leads to total short termism and cutting corners, trying to please everybody, listening to vested interests who will only lead you astray, listening to Newstalk Text Message Gobshite Man

But this is not how you should govern - it's the opposite of how you should govern - it demonstrates a belief in nothing except being popular - and it's also totally self-defeating, because policy ends up as a shambles

The contrast with Dan Andrews of Victoria and his government, who were utterly vilified but governed with genuine conviction, is glaring

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diarmaid-ferriter-we-are-being-infantilised-on-covid-19-by-an-immature-government-1.4495083

These polls that are now being quoted as evidence for "opening up" remind me of the Itchy and Scratchy focus group

The kids wanted a down to earth show that was completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots

The Irish public want to open up now but also want to keep Covid crushed, they want restrictions to keep Covid crushed but they also want their old lives back, they want to go on holiday but think it's a disgrace people are coming into the country unchecked

Or this is what the government is telling us

The government's strategy gave us Poochie, who everybody hated

That happened because they couldn't govern - they didn't have the guts to govern, it was too hard to take hard decisions

[Milltown Row2]

You need to read more, NI roadmap out on Monday, the last of the 4 UK nations, you mightn't like the timelines but there's clear plans in place, being a halfwit on here won't change it either.

Quoting other countries is just baffling! Israel has opened up, unless you're living there or heading there it's a pointless comparison!

We'll open up when the brave ones get the vaccine and we can safely go about..

I've noticed through work that it's getting busier, more people getting the vaccine and feeling more confident on actually leaving the house.

Hopefully the plans get us out soon, due to the fantastic roll out of the vaccine in comparison to other parts of the island I think it will be.

[RedHand88]

The all ireland championship will be split between healy and the athletic grounds at this rate

[Smurfy123]

What's the south's plan? Missed that one
Based on data not dates
Data tells us everything is Down
Data tells us all nursing homes vaccinated fully
Data tells us 35% of the population has got 1 vaccine
Data tells us transmission outside is 20 times less likely

[dublin7]

What's the south's plan? Missed that one
Based on data not dates
Data tells us everything is Down
Data tells us all nursing homes vaccinated fully
Data tells us 35% of the population has got 1 vaccine
Data tells us transmission outside is 20 times less likely

Where are you getting your data from? Ireland hasn't got near 35% of the population vaccinated. According to the HSE they're administered just over 250k of the 1st dose of the vaccines.

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

Did  you just make up the above?

[armaghniac]

What's the south's plan? Missed that one
Based on data not dates
Data tells us everything is Down
Data tells us all nursing homes vaccinated fully
Data tells us 35% of the population has got 1 vaccine
Data tells us transmission outside is 20 times less likely

Where are you getting your data from? Ireland hasn't got near 35% of the population vaccinated. According to the HSE they're administered just over 250k of the 1st dose of the vaccines.

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

Did  you just make up the above?

Ireland isn't just the 26 counties, you know.

[Tony Baloney]

What's the south's plan? Missed that one
Based on data not dates
Data tells us everything is Down
Data tells us all nursing homes vaccinated fully
Data tells us 35% of the population has got 1 vaccine
Data tells us transmission outside is 20 times less likely

Where are you getting your data from? Ireland hasn't got near 35% of the population vaccinated. According to the HSE they're administered just over 250k of the 1st dose of the vaccines.

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

Did  you just make up the above?

Ireland isn't just the 26 counties, you know.

His use of "the south" a dead giveaway unless talking about south Armagh.

[Milltown Row2]

Pretty poor roll out by The south in fairness, having done well with cases/deaths you'd have thought they'd be bang on with the vaccine.

[sid waddell]

What's the south's plan? Missed that one
Based on data not dates
Data tells us everything is Down
Data tells us all nursing homes vaccinated fully
Data tells us 35% of the population has got 1 vaccine
Data tells us transmission outside is 20 times less likely

Where are you getting your data from? Ireland hasn't got near 35% of the population vaccinated. According to the HSE they're administered just over 250k of the 1st dose of the vaccines.

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

Did  you just make up the above?

Ireland isn't just the 26 counties, you know.

The official name of the 26 counties is "Ireland"

[Rossfan]

Can only vaccinate as you get the stuff

[Milltown Row2]

What's the south's plan? Missed that one
Based on data not dates
Data tells us everything is Down
Data tells us all nursing homes vaccinated fully
Data tells us 35% of the population has got 1 vaccine
Data tells us transmission outside is 20 times less likely

Where are you getting your data from? Ireland hasn't got near 35% of the population vaccinated. According to the HSE they're administered just over 250k of the 1st dose of the vaccines.

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

Did  you just make up the above?

Ireland isn't just the 26 counties, you know.

The official name of the 26 counties is "Ireland"

Or the British Isles 

[seafoid]

What's the south's plan? Missed that one
Based on data not dates
Data tells us everything is Down
Data tells us all nursing homes vaccinated fully
Data tells us 35% of the population has got 1 vaccine
Data tells us transmission outside is 20 times less likely

Where are you getting your data from? Ireland hasn't got near 35% of the population vaccinated. According to the HSE they're administered just over 250k of the 1st dose of the vaccines.

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

Did  you just make up the above?

Ireland isn't just the 26 counties, you know.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ebelfastmission/status/1365256925424848897

[Blowitupref]

The Govt is on a bit of a shaky scraw. Polls indicate voters want an end to lockdown but vaccines at the moment are no silver bullet. Ending lockdown at the wrong time might lead to another one.

We could just spend the next few years chasing the rainbow instead.

Zero covid is a pipe dream on this island, public compliance will increasingly fall - in line with the seasons / weather, if they persist.

Governments all over the west have spent the last year chasing the rainbow, in search of a pipe dream

Meanwhile Zero Covid is working very well in lots of countries

Endless lockdown is extremism

Let it rip is far more extreme again

Zero covid is a pipe dream here as the government and especially NPHET aren't in favour of it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/newschambers/status/1354868661237010435

Have the policies the Irish government pursued for the past year been a pipe dream?

How have they worked?

What now, a year later, can we look back on and say, "that was a good decision", "that was long term planning", "I'm glad they did that", "we can now see the long term benefits"?

Many of those questions will be asked of the NPHET members when some sort of normality returns for now a covid zero approach will remain a pipe dream for those calling the shots.

That isn't an answer though

Surely people have some sort of opinion on this

Public opinion reckoned the Christmas, New Year surge was due to government not fully heeding NPHET and going by latest Times/MRBI opinion poll 68% want to go back to normal once elderly/vulnerable are vaccinated and only 30% support for Zero Covid.

Over the last year the government have made the majority of decisions on the strong advice of NPHET and if they latter felt a zero covid approach was a viable option for this island with two jurisdictions I have no doubt they would have strongly considered it.

Again though, that's not an answer

My strong impression is that NPHET have been playing with one hand tied behind their backs - but also, they are far from infallible

A big problem with government response in this is the absolute inability to admit mistakes - that seems to be the case to some extent with NPHET as well

But we (Ireland) can look back now and say that whatever we were doing over the last year, the place we are in now is not where we wanted to be

Our approach failed

Yet others are in the place they want to be as regards the virus, or as good a place as can be expected

It has been demonstrated that crushing Covid is possible

And that not going for that was political, ie. the barriers to crushing Covid were man made ones

Diarmuid Ferriter had an article yesterday which I thought was decent

He says that the government has infantilised the population, and he's right

They are governing by focus groups and polls, and that leads to total short termism and cutting corners, trying to please everybody, listening to vested interests who will only lead you astray, listening to Newstalk Text Message Gobshite Man

But this is not how you should govern - it's the opposite of how you should govern - it demonstrates a belief in nothing except being popular - and it's also totally self-defeating, because policy ends up as a shambles

The contrast with Dan Andrews of Victoria and his government, who were utterly vilified but governed with genuine conviction, is glaring

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diarmaid-ferriter-we-are-being-infantilised-on-covid-19-by-an-immature-government-1.4495083

These polls that are now being quoted as evidence for "opening up" remind me of the Itchy and Scratchy focus group

The kids wanted a down to earth show that was completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots

The Irish public want to open up now but also want to keep Covid crushed, they want restrictions to keep Covid crushed but they also want their old lives back, they want to go on holiday but think it's a disgrace people are coming into the country unchecked

Or this is what the government is telling us

The government's strategy gave us Poochie, who everybody hated

That happened because they couldn't govern - they didn't have the guts to govern, it was too hard to take hard decisions

Don't get that impression at all. We aren't Trump or Boris up to lately whom chose to ignore the doctors, professors and scientists view and approach.

Most if not all countries that was done better is down to their location or experience of such viruses. Place them into Irelands location with the English and Boris for neighbours they would have "failed" as much as us.


The poll is an example to people having some sort of opinion on a covid zero approach.

[Blowitupref]

Pretty poor roll out by The south in fairness, having done well with cases/deaths you'd have thought they'd be bang on with the vaccine.

EU controlled which will hopefully ramp up in the coming months as planned. J&J coming on board will greatly help.