The SDLP

[Armagh18]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

No one could take an oath to the British Crown and call themselves a Republican or even Irish. No one who votes for anyone that could can either imo.

[Snapchap]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

And how did the DUP "influence" at Westminster work out for them?

When your arguments include references to the 1848 Hungarian Revolution, and loony notions that not even some, not most, but "everyone" in SF actually disagrees with abstentionism, then you're clutching at straws.

How have the stoops been getting on with making waves in westminster? What have they achieved? They swung many big votes lately?

[trailer]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

No one could take an oath to the British Crown and call themselves a Republican or even Irish. No one who votes for anyone that could can either imo.

Same attitude that says ppl from ethnic backgrounds can't be Irish. That's the inclusive SF for ye.

[Eamonnca1]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

No one could take an oath to the British Crown and call themselves a Republican or even Irish.

Including Parnell and O'Connell?

No one who votes for anyone that could can either imo.

So SF voters are the only people in the north allowed to call themselves Irish? That's not what the Good Friday Agreement says, mate.

[Eamonnca1]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

And how did the DUP "influence" at Westminster work out for them?

When your arguments include references to the 1848 Hungarian Revolution, and loony notions that not even some, not most, but "everyone" in SF actually disagrees with abstentionism, then you're clutching at straws.

How have the stoops been getting on with making waves in westminster? What have they achieved? They swung many big votes lately?

The SDLP would have had more influence in Westminster if SF would get out of the way and let them have a clear run at some Westminster seats, instead of the usual thing of pulling symbolic stunts like standing in an election for the craic and then not taking their seats.

[Snapchap]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

And how did the DUP "influence" at Westminster work out for them?

When your arguments include references to the 1848 Hungarian Revolution, and loony notions that not even some, not most, but "everyone" in SF actually disagrees with abstentionism, then you're clutching at straws.

How have the stoops been getting on with making waves in westminster? What have they achieved? They swung many big votes lately?

The SDLP would have had more influence in Westminster if SF would get out of the way and let them have a clear run at some Westminster seats, instead of the usual thing of pulling symbolic stunts like standing in an election for the craic and then not taking their seats.

Lol! For years he SDLP had MPs when SF had none. So what did they achieve in any of those years? What major votes did they sway the results of?

[trailer]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

And how did the DUP "influence" at Westminster work out for them?

When your arguments include references to the 1848 Hungarian Revolution, and loony notions that not even some, not most, but "everyone" in SF actually disagrees with abstentionism, then you're clutching at straws.

How have the stoops been getting on with making waves in westminster? What have they achieved? They swung many big votes lately?

The SDLP would have had more influence in Westminster if SF would get out of the way and let them have a clear run at some Westminster seats, instead of the usual thing of pulling symbolic stunts like standing in an election for the craic and then not taking their seats.

Lol! For years he SDLP had MPs when SF had none. So what did they achieve in any of those years? What major votes did they sway the results of?

Lol! What have the SDLP ever done for me?

[sid waddell]

I presume SF supporters would be fine with somebody gaining election to the Dail or the European Parliament and just not bothering to turn up

Like, say, Brian Crowley of FF

Brian Crowley also would not disclose the expenses he was picking up from being an MEP - I bet anything SF supporters are fine with that

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/two-irish-meps-have-worst-voting-record-in-parliament-1.2037668

[sid waddell]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

No one could take an oath to the British Crown and call themselves a Republican or even Irish.

Including Parnell and O'Connell?

No one who votes for anyone that could can either imo.

So SF voters are the only people in the north allowed to call themselves Irish? That's not what the Good Friday Agreement says, mate.

The Sinn Fein kulturkampf gathers ever more pace

[Milltown Row2]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

And how did the DUP "influence" at Westminster work out for them?

When your arguments include references to the 1848 Hungarian Revolution, and loony notions that not even some, not most, but "everyone" in SF actually disagrees with abstentionism, then you're clutching at straws.

How have the stoops been getting on with making waves in westminster? What have they achieved? They swung many big votes lately?

The SDLP would have had more influence in Westminster if SF would get out of the way and let them have a clear run at some Westminster seats, instead of the usual thing of pulling symbolic stunts like standing in an election for the craic and then not taking their seats.

Lol! For years he SDLP had MPs when SF had none. So what did they achieve in any of those years? What major votes did they sway the results of?

Lol! What have the SDLP ever done for me?

I'll assume you are an adult and understand the debate that was going on (the idea that it is possible for an Irish nationalist party to wield influence in the House of Commons) and being an adult, that you'll no doubt understand that one way to examine the theory is to look at the westminster track record of the party about which this thread is the focus of.

But mayve you're just thick as sh*t.

I'm sure the Unionists will feel the same if they had to enter the Dall, no wonder they are worried

[Snapchap]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

And how did the DUP "influence" at Westminster work out for them?

When your arguments include references to the 1848 Hungarian Revolution, and loony notions that not even some, not most, but "everyone" in SF actually disagrees with abstentionism, then you're clutching at straws.

How have the stoops been getting on with making waves in westminster? What have they achieved? They swung many big votes lately?

The SDLP would have had more influence in Westminster if SF would get out of the way and let them have a clear run at some Westminster seats, instead of the usual thing of pulling symbolic stunts like standing in an election for the craic and then not taking their seats.

Lol! For years he SDLP had MPs when SF had none. So what did they achieve in any of those years? What major votes did they sway the results of?

Lol! What have the SDLP ever done for me?

I'll assume you are an adult and understand the debate that was going on (the idea that it is possible for an Irish nationalist party to wield influence in the House of Commons) and being an adult, that you'll no doubt understand that one way to examine the theory is to look at the westminster track record of the party about which this thread is the focus of.

But mayve you're just thick as sh*t.

I'm sure the Unionists will feel the same if they had to enter the Dall, no wonder they are worried

The difference being that unionists in the Dáil will routinely hold much more proportionally significant and influential numbers than they or the SDLP ever will at Westminster.

[Milltown Row2]

Plus abstention is well past its sell by date.

Would you like to see FF & FG organise in the north? Would you like to see them sitting in westminster?

You see, you might yearn for Irish people getting their bums of the green benches, but personally I would argue that the very notion of Irish MPs sitting in westminster is what's long past it's sell by date. SF stand in elections promising to abstain and people overwhelmingly back them on that basis.

Take down Parnell's statue then. Re-name O'Connell St back to Sackville St. They took their seats, didn't they?

Different times....

SF's abstentionism policy was inspired by the Hungarian revolution of 1848 and their first abstentionist candidate stood in 1908. Times have changed a bit since then, wouldn't you say?

When you hear a SF rep explaining that they are abstaining from Westminster because of the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, then, and only then, should you come on here and use that as your argument.

Abstentionism is based on pretending that the British parliament has no jurisdiction in Ireland and can just be ignored, a position that SF adopted in 1908 and rejected in 1998 when they signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.

Declan Kearney was out here a few years back making that point, that as far as SF is concerned "Westminster is irrelevant." A few minutes later he was moaning about how the DUP had so much influence on Theresa May's government because of the electoral math at Westminster.

Abstentionism makes no sense in this day and age. You know it, I know it, and everybody in SF knows it.

And how did the DUP "influence" at Westminster work out for them?

When your arguments include references to the 1848 Hungarian Revolution, and loony notions that not even some, not most, but "everyone" in SF actually disagrees with abstentionism, then you're clutching at straws.

How have the stoops been getting on with making waves in westminster? What have they achieved? They swung many big votes lately?

The SDLP would have had more influence in Westminster if SF would get out of the way and let them have a clear run at some Westminster seats, instead of the usual thing of pulling symbolic stunts like standing in an election for the craic and then not taking their seats.

Lol! For years he SDLP had MPs when SF had none. So what did they achieve in any of those years? What major votes did they sway the results of?

Lol! What have the SDLP ever done for me?

I'll assume you are an adult and understand the debate that was going on (the idea that it is possible for an Irish nationalist party to wield influence in the House of Commons) and being an adult, that you'll no doubt understand that one way to examine the theory is to look at the westminster track record of the party about which this thread is the focus of.

But mayve you're just thick as sh*t.

I'm sure the Unionists will feel the same if they had to enter the Dall, no wonder they are worried

The difference being that unionists in the Dáil will routinely hold much more proportionally significant and influential numbers than they or the SDLP ever will at Westminster.

They'll have no leverage, just like the SDLP have, even when they had more MPs

[Angelo]

List of SDLP Westminster political accomplishments:




End of list

[Armagh18]

List of SDLP Westminster political accomplishments:




End of list

Hang on I'm sure Colum stopped Brexit there a year or two a go??

[sid waddell]

It'd be hilarious to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth from SF supporters if unionists refused to take their seats in a united Ireland parliament and refused to engage with the institutions of a united Ireland state they didn't want to engage with, such as, say, the Gardai

Or if they were to, say, plant bombs