Money, Dublin and the GAA

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TheGreatest

Quote from: mup on December 05, 2017, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 05, 2017, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Think this guy is a WUM, ban him.

Pot, kettle and black.

Exactly.

All you need to do is look at his post in the 'Your GAA Highlight of 2017'. Clearly looking for a reaction.

Nope, not at all, that was the honest truth my highlight of they year, the whinging and crying in the aftermath. Makes you appreciate victory more.

mup

Quote from: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: mup on December 05, 2017, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 05, 2017, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Think this guy is a WUM, ban him.

Pot, kettle and black.

Exactly.

All you need to do is look at his post in the 'Your GAA Highlight of 2017'. Clearly looking for a reaction.

Nope, not at all, that was the honest truth my highlight of they year, the whinging and crying in the aftermath. Makes you appreciate victory more.

Well then that's pathetic.

Besides I never heard so much whinging and crying coming from fans after they won the AI. You can't have it both ways.

Dinny Breen

In 10 years time when people ask when did GAA inter-county football die and is it only Kerry and Dublin that take it serious anymore, I shall point them to this thread.
#newbridgeornowhere

Lar Naparka

Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 05, 2017, 10:30:37 AM
In 10 years time when people ask when did GAA inter-county football die and it is only  Dublin A and Dublin B that take it serious anymore, I shall point them to this thread.
There! Fixed that for ya. ;D ;D
Going by Tomás and Marc Ó Sé, you'd be forgiven for thinking that Dublin and Kerry will battle it out for generations to come with the rest of us training miles behind. A battle among equals, the likes of which has never been seen before. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Kerry will be able to put it up to the Dubs, year after year; a case of pathetic fallacy, if ever there was one.
It's delusional, plain and simple, to think that Kerry will have the resources and all that goes with that to put it up to Dublin on a sustained basis.
History is bunkum as Henry Ford said and what's good enough for Henry is good enough for me.
It's all very well to waffle on about tradition and glorious events of the past but the social and economic changes taking place right now have nothing to do with tradition.
The gap in every sense between Dublin and the rest of the country is widening all the time and Kerry will be no exception.
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johnneycool

Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 04, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Here's a piece from Balls.ie dealing with the same subject. Under the heading, Sporting Grants Breakdown Show Massive Weighting Towards Dublin GAA Clubs,it goes into more detail than Foley does.

Key paragraph from that link:

There's no doubt that on an individual basis, the grants to Dublin clubs may well be justified, and it's unlikely there is an actual bias, and it's more down to better lobbying and organisation, and better proposals. There is also the issue of capital expenditure being significantly more expensive in Dublin.

Each club made their own submission. The county the club happened to be in was totally irrelevant.

What is probably shows is that Dublin clubs continue to grow because population continues to increase, so there is more need for improved facilities.

Serious question here, does the Dublin CB have someone helping clubs to fill out the grant forms in a way that they are more likely to meet the requirements for funding?

No there isnt DCB assistance  , but it would be a logical thing for all county boards to do wouldnt it

It would, but I wonder would most of the other 31 CBs lack the funds to acquire the necessary expertise.

Down CB offer this service AFAIK but I have to say we are fortunate to have one of our committee members who's worked in such government bodies and her expertise has proved vital in all our applications.
They are an artform to say the least.

Avondhu star

Kerry County Board report spending over 1 million on team preparation across the various countg teams with over 300000 on the senior footballers. No shortage of moola there
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

Rossfan

Maybe but they're not getting it from Croke Park though.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

TheGreatest

Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2017, 02:59:06 PM
Maybe but they're not getting it from Croke Park though.

Neither do the Dublin senior footballers. Serious money by Kerry , Multi Billion Euro company sponsoring them.

Another interesting article also - https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-history-will-judge-dublin-as-exceptional-1.3316949

Have a great evening.

Lar Naparka

Quote from: Avondhu star on December 06, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
Kerry County Board report spending over 1 million on team preparation across the various countg teams with over 300000 on the senior footballers. No shortage of moola there
That's not very surprising since it covers all teams in all grades, ladies as well as men's teams. Mayo also spent over €1M on team preparations  in 2016 but that included the cost of fielding all teams, men and ladies, in all grades, replays included.
Travelling expenses take up a huge chunk of mayo's costs every year.  The same may well apply to Kerry also.
Ten of the present Mayo panel live and work/study in Dublin so the cost of ferrying them down to Ballyhaunis or wherever, and back again maybe 4 times a week is considerable.
( I believe that sometimes it's the home-based players who do the traveling as they are brought to Dublin to make use of the specialised facilities that are there. I've been told this but I don't know the details.)
Still, both Kerry and Mayo combined don't spend as much on their seniors as Dublin does. Dublin, if reports from their AGM  are true spent in excess of €1M last year.
Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

mrhardyannual

Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 06, 2017, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on December 06, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
Kerry County Board report spending over 1 million on team preparation across the various countg teams with over 300000 on the senior footballers. No shortage of moola there
That's not very surprising since it covers all teams in all grades, ladies as well as men's teams. Mayo also spent over €1M on team preparations  in 2016 but that included the cost of fielding all teams, men and ladies, in all grades, replays included.
Travelling expenses take up a huge chunk of mayo's costs every year.  The same may well apply to Kerry also.
Ten of the present Mayo panel live and work/study in Dublin so the cost of ferrying them down to Ballyhaunis or wherever, and back again maybe 4 times a week is considerable.
( I believe that sometimes it's the home-based players who do the traveling as they are brought to Dublin to make use of the specialised facilities that are there. I've been told this but I don't know the details.)
Still, both Kerry and Mayo combined don't spend as much on their seniors as Dublin does. Dublin, if reports from their AGM  are true spent in excess of €1M last year.
Mayo accounts for 2016 showed €1.6 million spent on teams. None of this refers to Mayo Ladies.

From the Bunker

Dublin entering their third team again to defend the O'Byrne Cup! :)

Lar Naparka

Quote from: mrhardyannual on December 06, 2017, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 06, 2017, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on December 06, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
Kerry County Board report spending over 1 million on team preparation across the various countg teams with over 300000 on the senior footballers. No shortage of moola there
That's not very surprising since it covers all teams in all grades, ladies as well as men's teams. Mayo also spent over €1M on team preparations  in 2016 but that included the cost of fielding all teams, men and ladies, in all grades, replays included.
Travelling expenses take up a huge chunk of mayo's costs every year.  The same may well apply to Kerry also.
Ten of the present Mayo panel live and work/study in Dublin so the cost of ferrying them down to Ballyhaunis or wherever, and back again maybe 4 times a week is considerable.
( I believe that sometimes it's the home-based players who do the traveling as they are brought to Dublin to make use of the specialised facilities that are there. I've been told this but I don't know the details.)
Still, both Kerry and Mayo combined don't spend as much on their seniors as Dublin does. Dublin, if reports from their AGM  are true spent in excess of €1M last year.
Mayo accounts for 2016 showed €1.6 million spent on teams. None of this refers to Mayo Ladies.
I'm going by what Edwin McGreal said and the total was for ALL teams. (I believe I read the same account on Willie Joe's blob. What was noteworthy was that this was the first time Mayo's spend for the  year exceeded €1M.)
Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

Syferus

Quote from: From the Bunker on December 06, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
Dublin entering their third team again to defend the O'Byrne Cup! :)

And it'd probably win Leinster too.

Bord na Mona man

It correlates that less financially wealthy counties, with the lowest budgets have the most players working away and travelling greater distances.

A good way to dilute one of Dublin's key advantages would be to have travel expenses for senior inter county teams come out of the central GAA budget.

With proper checks to make sure the expenses are genuine obviously.

OgraAnDun

Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 07, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
It correlates that less financially wealthy counties, with the lowest budgets have the most players working away and travelling greater distances.

A good way to dilute one of Dublin's key advantages would be to have travel expenses for senior inter county teams come out of the central GAA budget.

With proper checks to make sure the expenses are genuine obviously.

Seeing as all Dublin players work and live in Dublin, I doubt travel expenses are a large part of the DCBs expenses. I'm not sure how this would dilute Dublin's advantage?