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Clarity requested.
It sounds like it is in both Roscommon & Mayo, which county do you play from if from there?

Can the history be summed up in a sentence or two?

Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 11, 2012, 10:35:27 PM
Clarity requested.
It sounds like it is in both Roscommon & Mayo, which county do you play from if from there?

Can the history be summed up in a sentence or two?

County Mayo, occupied by Roscommon. Its also very close to the Sligo border. The GAA club is affiliated to and plays Club football in  Mayo, coz the area was part of Mayo when the GAA was founded. A local landlord, Dillon if I remember rightly got it changed by the Westminister Parliament to Roscommon because rates (for him) were lower than in County Mayo. The population have stayed loyal to the Green and Red, bar a few blow in planters from Roscommon.

Ballaghadereen is a Mayo town, we managed to kick the Brits out of it, the Rossies will be gone someday too..

Also, club foundation (1886) pre-dates the move of the town into Roscommon (around 1900 or thereabouts)

Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 11, 2012, 10:35:27 PM
Clarity requested.
It sounds like it is in both Roscommon & Mayo, which county do you play from if from there?

Can the history be summed up in a sentence or two?

County Roscommon will be seen as you enter & leave Ballaghaderreen plus on every map. If your from there & play your club football in the town you play for Mayo like Andy Moran or do what Sean McDermott (his cousin) did & play for Roscommon club a few miles away.

I think the rest has been covered on another thread somewhere here.

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The population have stayed loyal to the Green and Red, bar a few blow in planters from Roscommon.

Clear to know you never step foot in the place   ;D

Quote from: ross4life on May 11, 2012, 10:48:59 PM

Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 11, 2012, 10:35:27 PM
Clarity requested.
It sounds like it is in both Roscommon & Mayo, which county do you play from if from there?

Can the history be summed up in a sentence or two?

County Roscommon will be seen as you enter & leave Ballaghaderreen plus on every map. If your from there & play your club football in the town you play for Mayo like Andy Moran or do what Sean McDermott (his cousin) did & play for Roscommon club a few miles away.

I think the rest has been covered on another thread somewhere here.

I seem to remember in 1996 the locals covered the border welcome signs and erected their own one 4 or 5 kilometres east of the town. They also painted all the kirbs Green and Red.

There are a number of backward eejits in this Roscommon Town who refuse to accept reality.  >:( >:( >:( :( :( :'( :'(
They run the GAA club so any good footballer from that club is only eligible to play for Mayowestrossouthsligoinishbofin unless they move house to another Ros town whose GAA club affiliates to their own County Board  --- or move to Oz like Hanly.
The true Rossies who live on Ballagh and are good at football have an awful dilemna -- do they stick with their own club and thus turn their back on their own County or do they renege on their own town for the sake of their own County.
Grand for lads that don't play football - -they can support their own club and their own County (Roscommon) without any complications.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2012, 11:37:18 PM
There are a number of backward eejits in this Roscommon Town who refuse to accept reality.  >:( >:( >:( :( :( :'( :'(

Enough about Frenchpark, we are talking about Ballaghaderreen here.

Also Ballaghaderreen or some of them wanted to move to Roscommon at one stage. However there was a fallout with the Roscommon Co Board.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 12, 2012, 01:11:09 AM
Also Ballaghaderreen or some of them wanted to move to Roscommon at one stage. However there was a fallout with the Roscommon Co Board.

What is the story there, will the GAA allow two clubs to exist, affiliated to different counties. Personally I believe the Rossie blowins should be allowed their own club, so they will stop moaning.

Ah yes, the first Ballaghadereen 'tug of love' thread of 2012.
The championship must be upon us.

Quote from: Jinxy on May 12, 2012, 01:26:46 AM
Ah yes, the first Ballaghadereen 'tug of love' thread of 2012.
The championship must be upon us.

Wait until Sligonian gets his knickers in a twist over Charlestown-Bellaghy  ;D

Seanie Johnston should have moved to Ballaghaderreen.

Our county council is kind enough to fund Ballagh GAA. How sweet of them. I'm going to ask the next councillor I meet why the overall issue of Ballagh has been more forcefully contested by them. I've lived here all my life and I can barely remember hearing a peep from local politicians. Now that Ballagh is paired with Castlerea as one electoral area maybe a Castlerea councillor on the boil will be opportunistic enough to push this into the agenda.

The town itself most certainly has alot of Roscommon people, with the players who want to have the chance of palying for their county playing for the nearest Roscommon club. The exact split is murky because alot of people from outside the town itself identify themselves as part of the community and they come with perhaps even more baggage than the residents. Even Sligo is within throwing distance, there was always a few Sligoians in Nathy's in every year in my school days. The main street looked like it was decked out by a colour blind event organiser before the 2006 AI finals. It's the place you want to be if you want some championship banter with your drink, that's for sure.

This whole issue isn't even as simple as one family being on one side or the other. As an example, two of Andy Moran's cousins, Seanie McDermott, the Roscommon inter-county corner-back, and Derek Moran play for Western Gaels, a Roscommon club. Even Andy's father is a Roscommon man. It's got to the point now that people actively choose sides as children - do I support my parents' county or do I play with all my school friends at the local club? The whole situation is as complete a mess as you're likely to ever find.

I think the end-game is inevitable and will be that Ballagh GAA will either get an exception to allow its players to play for Roscommon or be forced to play in Roscommon as a club. It may even take decades more, but Ballagh GAA's make-up is becoming less and less hard-line Mayo and more of a mixture of both counties. The idea of a separate club was tried but it didn't take hold and Mayo people should be thanking their lucky stars for that because if one became established Ballagh's Mayo heritage would be washed away in a generation. The writing has been on the wall from the moment Ballagh moved to Roscommon, no matter what the emotional position of Mayo people.

Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 11, 2012, 10:35:27 PM
Clarity requested.
It sounds like it is in both Roscommon & Mayo, which county do you play from if from there?

Can the history be summed up in a sentence or two?

WUM's........Dont ya just love them!

If you were to follow the arguments of the sheepophiles on here and pay attention to their bleating, Dublin would now be split fourways.
Their logic is that the GAA should be forced to follow the lead of political carpetbaggers and cut its cloth according to their measure. (Logic from a sheepshaggist-that's an oxymoron!)

Once upon a time, the local landlord Johneen Dillon decided to put profit before principle and had his entire estate be included in Roscommon for rateable purposes. 

Ballagh, which has been part of Mayo since the Composition of Connaught was arbitrarily cut adrift from the mother ship and lumped in with that collection of misfits and howse-yer-fathers known as Roscommon.
Some might go as far as to say that Ballagh was in Mayo since Fionn MacCumhail played for the u14s. However, Johneen (may the devil keep his personal furnace forever stacked up) did a deal with his pals in high places and the foul deed was done.
While the locals' were obliged to lower their standard of living, they held on to their heritage. 
The Ballagh boys played in Mayo, play in Mayo and will play in Mayo to the end of time.
Down the years since its formation, the local club has had dozens of outstanding players who wore their beloved red and green with pride and passion. I imagine that more All Stars played for Ballagh than any other club in the county. 
To our everlasting regret, the townland of Loughglynn , since it had no club at that time, was not so lucky. Two of the finest Mayo footballers of all time, the Earley brothers, had to play for the invaders.

God alone knows what might have been.....

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2012, 10:36:41 AM
If you were to follow the arguments of the sheepophiles on here and pay attention to their bleating, Dublin would now be split fourways.
Their logic is that the GAA should be forced to follow the lead of political carpetbaggers and cut its cloth according to their measure. (Logic from a sheepshaggist-that's an oxymoron!)

Once upon a time, the local landlord Johneen Dillon decided to put profit before principle and had his entire estate be included in Roscommon for rateable purposes. 

Ballagh, which has been part of Mayo since the Composition of Connaught was arbitrarily cut adrift from the mother ship and lumped in with that collection of misfits and howse-yer-fathers known as Roscommon.
Some might go as far as to say that Ballagh was in Mayo since Fionn MacCumhail played for the u14s. However, Johneen (may the devil keep his personal furnace forever stacked up) did a deal with his pals in high places and the foul deed was done.
While the locals' were obliged to lower their standard of living, they held on to their heritage. 
The Ballagh boys played in Mayo, play in Mayo and will play in Mayo to the end of time.
Down the years since its formation, the local club has had dozens of outstanding players who wore their beloved red and green with pride and passion. I imagine that more All Stars played for Ballagh than any other club in the county. 
To our everlasting regret, the town of Loughglynn , since it had no club at that time, was not so lucky. Two of the finest Mayo footballers of all time, the Earley brothers, had to play for the invaders.

God alone knows what might have been.....

Get it right. Gorthaganny is in Ros. Anyway their hair was the wrong colour to play for the collaberators.

Quote from: ziggy90 on May 12, 2012, 12:18:29 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2012, 10:36:41 AM
If you were to follow the arguments of the sheepophiles on here and pay attention to their bleating, Dublin would now be split fourways.
Their logic is that the GAA should be forced to follow the lead of political carpetbaggers and cut its cloth according to their measure. (Logic from a sheepshaggist-that's an oxymoron!)

Once upon a time, the local landlord Johneen Dillon decided to put profit before principle and had his entire estate be included in Roscommon for rateable purposes. 

Ballagh, which has been part of Mayo since the Composition of Connaught was arbitrarily cut adrift from the mother ship and lumped in with that collection of misfits and howse-yer-fathers known as Roscommon.
Some might go as far as to say that Ballagh was in Mayo since Fionn MacCumhail played for the u14s. However, Johneen (may the devil keep his personal furnace forever stacked up) did a deal with his pals in high places and the foul deed was done.
While the locals' were obliged to lower their standard of living, they held on to their heritage. 
The Ballagh boys played in Mayo, play in Mayo and will play in Mayo to the end of time.
Down the years since its formation, the local club has had dozens of outstanding players who wore their beloved red and green with pride and passion. I imagine that more All Stars played for Ballagh than any other club in the county. 
To our everlasting regret, the town of Loughglynn , since it had no club at that time, was not so lucky. Two of the finest Mayo footballers of all time, the Earley brothers, had to play for the invaders.

God alone knows what might have been.....

Get it right. Gorthaganny is in Ros. Anyway their hair was the wrong colour to play for the collaberators.

Sorry, chief but  I did  got it right.
Gortaganny was in Mayo until it was annexed by the land grabbers.

Oh,I suppose Loughglynn is in Mayo as well?  When I said get it right I meant the word I highlighted.

Quote from: ziggy90 on May 12, 2012, 12:44:38 PM
Oh,I suppose Loughglynn is in Mayo as well?

Why you suppose is your business. What I know is mine. ;D

Is Gorthaganny in Roscommon? Is Gorthaganny in the Parish of Loughglynn? Is Loughglynn in Roscommon?

Keep it up Lar.  ;)
Pull a few more Tyrone lads in here and we'll turn it into a hundred pager.

The Earley brothers were born in Mayo. That's fact.

I don't see anyone denying that. Why did they play for Ros then? Btw was the last man from Ballagh club to win an AI winners football medal not a Roscommon man?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rB73zMhe_M

A PROPER Ballagh man.

Quote from: Jinxy on May 12, 2012, 01:14:06 PM
Keep it up Lar.  ;)
Pull a few more Tyrone lads in here and we'll turn it into a hundred pager.

Shhhh! Say nothin'.
Just give 'em a bit of rope to hang themselves.  ;D

Quote from: ziggy90 on May 12, 2012, 12:49:26 PM
Is Gorthaganny in Roscommon? Is Gorthaganny in the Parish of Loughglynn? Is Loughglynn in Roscommon?

Hah?
Jaysus, lad you do seem to have a biteen  of a fever or something.
Slow down, one question at a time if you please.

"Sure I know". ::)

Quote from: ziggy90 on May 12, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
I don't see anyone denying that. Why did they play for Ros then? Btw was the last man from Ballagh club to win an AI winners football medal not a Roscommon man?

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Mayo 2006 all Ireland under 21 champions
K O'Malley; T Howley, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; S O'Shea, B Moran; A Campbell, J Dillon (Ballaghaderreen), A Kilcoyne; M Ronaldson, M Hannick, M Conroy. Subs - S Ryder, K Costello, E Varley.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 12, 2012, 01:20:59 PM
The Earley brothers were born in Mayo. That's fact.

Dermot was born in Castlebar but by the time Paul was born his father, Peadar, had long since moved to Gorthaganny to work as the local school's principal. Trust me, I know these things a little better than you.

The 'Gorthaganny was in Mayo' is just mindless wind-up drivel, too. Mixing up Gorthaganny and Loughglynn shows a lack of knowledge of the area because if anything if we'd be talking about Michael Galavey's in Ballinlough, not Eire Og in Loughglynn. Gorthaganny is a sub-division of Loughglynn parish and the entire parish has always been in Roscommon - even though Ballagh (and Ballyhaunis for that matter) is nearer for most places in the parish, the postal address has always been in Castlerea.

Children from Ballagh do all their community games sports in Roscommon
so for gaelic football, handball, soccer, athletics, art, draughts, swimming etc etc they have to compete in their proper county that they actually live in - ie Roscommon
their parents vote in Roscommon elections.
the businesses in the town pay rates to Ros county council
their addresses are Co Roscommon (or Sligo!!)

then for some strange reason they play their GAA in Mayo - football and handball.

I always find it great to see the lads from Ballagh that represent Mayo in handball, standing at Roscommon matches proudly wearing the primrose and blue

I think Ballagh club players should be given the option to declare for either county. It would solve a lot of problems, cut down on a lot of annimosity between families and leave the club in a much stronger position (ie they could have more county players)

Quote from: spuds on May 12, 2012, 02:23:58 PM

Quote from: ziggy90 on May 12, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
I don't see anyone denying that. Why did they play for Ros then? Btw was the last man from Ballagh club to win an AI winners football medal not a Roscommon man?

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Mayo 2006 all Ireland under 21 champions
K O'Malley; T Howley, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; S O'Shea, B Moran; A Campbell, J Dillon (Ballaghaderreen), A Kilcoyne; M Ronaldson, M Hannick, M Conroy. Subs - S Ryder, K Costello, E Varley.

I can't find any evidence for this only I have seen the man's medal :o but hasn't a certain Pat Fleming won an over 40's medal since then.

Plenty of great handballers have played for Ballagh, like Dessie Keegan and Joe McCann. If not for Paul Brady their trophy cabinets would be five times larger than they are.

Trust me, I didn't actually mix up Gorthaganny with anywhere.

Quote from: ziggy90 on May 12, 2012, 03:02:02 PM

Quote from: spuds on May 12, 2012, 02:23:58 PM

Quote from: ziggy90 on May 12, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
I don't see anyone denying that. Why did they play for Ros then? Btw was the last man from Ballagh club to win an AI winners football medal not a Roscommon man?

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Mayo 2006 all Ireland under 21 champions
K O'Malley; T Howley, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; S O'Shea, B Moran; A Campbell, J Dillon (Ballaghaderreen), A Kilcoyne; M Ronaldson, M Hannick, M Conroy. Subs - S Ryder, K Costello, E Varley.

I can't find any evidence for this only I have seen the man's medal :o but hasn't a certain Pat Fleming won an over 40's medal since then.

http://mayogaablog.com/?p=4064

Read what Willie Joe has to say here. Scroll down to categories, select over 40s' and go from there.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 12, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
Trust me, I didn't actually mix up Gorthaganny with anywhere.

I was responding to Lar's comments with the second paragraph.

Mixing up Gorthaganny with Loughglynn that has to be one of the worst research jobs ever. Well done Lar at least your getting a history lesson within this thread . Farrandeelin plenty of Roscommon people hasn't been born here what's your point exactly?

Quote from: ross4life on May 12, 2012, 04:19:33 PM
Mixing up Gorthaganny with Loughglynn that has to be one of the worst research jobs ever. Well done Lar at least your getting a history lesson within this thread . Farrandeelin plenty of Roscommon people hasn't been born here what's your point exactly?

I think he might have spent a whileen too long in Mollys. ;)

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 12, 2012, 01:28:57 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on May 12, 2012, 01:26:46 AM
Ah yes, the first Ballaghadereen 'tug of love' thread of 2012.
The championship must be upon us.

Wait until Sligonian gets his knickers in a twist over Charlestown-Bellaghy  ;D

Wait for a month, until Sligo are beaten and then he will go on his annual rant. On second thoughts, dont, this could reach 200 pages.

Quote from: ross4life on May 12, 2012, 04:19:33 PM
Mixing up Gorthaganny with Loughglynn that has to be one of the worst research jobs ever. Well done Lar at least your getting a history lesson within this thread . Farrandeelin plenty of Roscommon people hasn't been born here what's your point exactly?

Maybe I'm missing something but, for the life of me, I can't find a single instance where I mixed Gorthaganny up with Loughglynn. I can't help it if some of you start jumping to conclusions and don't bother to read what I wrote, can I?
I referred to Loughglynn as a town and maybe that's causing a few of yeer noses to go out of joint. Well, a Loughglynn resident I know well called it a town and that's good enough for me.
Maybe we might agree that it's a large village so yiz can stop whinging.
Gorthaganny is in the parish of Loughglynn or it was the last time I called by.
If you are still unhappy, call the PP and tell him his chapel of ease out in Gorthaganny has gone AWOL or something like that.
Therefore, the Earleys were Loughglynn parishioners. I dunno why this is important to anyone but some of you are bleating about something and this might be it.

Under the terms of the Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898 the civil parishes of Kilcolman and Castlemore were transferred from Mayo to Roscommon.
That included Ballagh and Gorthaganny also, btw.
I am not absolutely certain about Loughglynn as them Civil Parishes were funny yokes and didn't necessarily correspond with RC ones. But I have read that the original Dillon (Loughglynn House) estate of 3,000 acres was situated mainly in Co. Mayo.
Now Ballagh club was founded in 1886 and straight away applied for membership to the Mayo CB. That's 12/13 years before the political boundaries were changed, putting Ballagh and the rest into Roscommon for civil administration purposes.

Now, I know of no law of God or man that says politics must be above sport or that GAA clubs must follow political directives in deciding which CB they should affiliate with.
If you follow the woolly logic of saying Ballagh must play in Roscommon because political planners drew a line on a map, you must also agree that Dublin ought to be split in four because there are now four local administration divisions within its historical boundaries.
While you are at it, how 'bout splitting Tipp in two as there are two county councils there?

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2012, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: ross4life on May 12, 2012, 04:19:33 PM
Mixing up Gorthaganny with Loughglynn that has to be one of the worst research jobs ever. Well done Lar at least your getting a history lesson within this thread . Farrandeelin plenty of Roscommon people hasn't been born here what's your point exactly?

Maybe I'm missing something but, for the life of me, I can't find a single instance where I mixed Gorthaganny up with Loughglynn. I can't help it if some of you start jumping to conclusions and don't bother to read what I wrote, can I?
I referred to Loughglynn as a town and maybe that's causing a few of yeer noses to go out of joint. Well, a Loughglynn resident I know well called it a town and that's good enough for me.
Maybe we might agree that it's a large village so yiz can stop whinging.
Gorthaganny is in the parish of Loughglynn or it was the last time I called by.
If you are still unhappy, call the PP and tell him his chapel of ease out in Gorthaganny has gone AWOL or something like that.
Therefore, the Earleys were Loughglynn parishioners. I dunno why this is important to anyone but some of you are bleating about something and this might be it.

Under the terms of the Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898 the civil parishes of Kilcolman and Castlemore were transferred from Mayo to Roscommon.
That included Ballagh and Gorthaganny also, btw.
I am not absolutely certain about Loughglynn as them Civil Parishes were funny yokes and didn't necessarily correspond with RC ones. But I have read that the original Dillon (Loughglynn House) estate of 3,000 acres was situated mainly in Co. Mayo.
Now Ballagh club was founded in 1886 and straight away applied for membership to the Mayo CB. That's 12/13 years before the political boundaries were changed, putting Ballagh and the rest into Roscommon for civil administration purposes.

Now, I know of no law of God or man that says politics must be above sport or that GAA clubs must follow political directives in deciding which CB they should affiliate with.
If you follow the woolly logic of saying Ballagh must play in Roscommon because political planners drew a line on a map, you must also agree that Dublin ought to be split in four because there are now four local administration divisions within its historical boundaries.
While you are at it, how 'bout splitting Tipp in two as there are two county councils there?

I don't know what drunken parishioner you're sourcing your information from but Loughglynn and Gorthaganny, or any other local village that you're attempting to bring into question were never in Mayo at any point in their history. The Demesne, where the Dllions' house was (it was last a Franciscan convent, which itself closed a few years ago), is outside Loughglynn proper.

The fact that when you post a letter to Loughglynn or Gorthaganny the address contains Castelrea and not Ballagh tells its own story - why would they have switched Loughglynn's postal address if their 'mother', and fellow Mayo, town of Ballagh was also being moved into Roscommon? The simple fact The Demesne has always been associated with Loughglynn tells you that the house and the local part of the estate were probably in Roscommon. The Dllions estate was mostly in Mayo, which tells you at least part of it was in Roscommon. 'Common sense, good man.

You're wrong on this one. Retreat, like the Mayo county border.  ;)

Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2012, 11:20:56 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2012, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: ross4life on May 12, 2012, 04:19:33 PM
Mixing up Gorthaganny with Loughglynn that has to be one of the worst research jobs ever. Well done Lar at least your getting a history lesson within this thread . Farrandeelin plenty of Roscommon people hasn't been born here what's your point exactly?

Maybe I'm missing something but, for the life of me, I can't find a single instance where I mixed Gorthaganny up with Loughglynn. I can't help it if some of you start jumping to conclusions and don't bother to read what I wrote, can I?
I referred to Loughglynn as a town and maybe that's causing a few of yeer noses to go out of joint. Well, a Loughglynn resident I know well called it a town and that's good enough for me.
Maybe we might agree that it's a large village so yiz can stop whinging.
Gorthaganny is in the parish of Loughglynn or it was the last time I called by.
If you are still unhappy, call the PP and tell him his chapel of ease out in Gorthaganny has gone AWOL or something like that.
Therefore, the Earleys were Loughglynn parishioners. I dunno why this is important to anyone but some of you are bleating about something and this might be it.

Under the terms of the Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898 the civil parishes of Kilcolman and Castlemore were transferred from Mayo to Roscommon.
That included Ballagh and Gorthaganny also, btw.
I am not absolutely certain about Loughglynn as them Civil Parishes were funny yokes and didn't necessarily correspond with RC ones. But I have read that the original Dillon (Loughglynn House) estate of 3,000 acres was situated mainly in Co. Mayo.
Now Ballagh club was founded in 1886 and straight away applied for membership to the Mayo CB. That's 12/13 years before the political boundaries were changed, putting Ballagh and the rest into Roscommon for civil administration purposes.

Now, I know of no law of God or man that says politics must be above sport or that GAA clubs must follow political directives in deciding which CB they should affiliate with.
If you follow the woolly logic of saying Ballagh must play in Roscommon because political planners drew a line on a map, you must also agree that Dublin ought to be split in four because there are now four local administration divisions within its historical boundaries.
While you are at it, how 'bout splitting Tipp in two as there are two county councils there?

I don't know what drunken parishioner you're sourcing your information from but Loughglynn and Gorthaganny, or any other local village that you're attempting to bring into question were never in Mayo at any point in their history. The Demesne, where the Dllions' house was (it was last a Franciscan convent, which itself closed a few years ago), is outside Loughglynn proper.

The fact that when you post a letter to Loughglynn or Gorthaganny the address contains Castelrea and not Ballagh tells its own story - why would they have switched Loughglynn's postal address if their 'mother', and fellow Mayo, town of Ballagh was also being moved into Roscommon? The simple fact The Demesne has always been associated with Loughglynn tells you that the house and the local part of the estate were probably in Roscommon. The Dllions estate was mostly in Mayo, which tells you at least part of it was in Roscommon. 'Common sense, good man.

You're wrong on this one. Retreat, like the Mayo county border.  ;)

The Delphi Valley's post code is Leenane, County Galway, but its a long long way from being part of Galway. Mayo as you can get.

p.s. if any border is going to retreat anymore its Roscommon, grow Athlone, grow  ;)

Always amazed the amount of nonsense that gets posted from the plains of the yews when the subject of Ballagh crops up.

Amazing how the Rossies are always called blow-ins. Funny enough, some of the most famous Ballagh men who have represented Mayo were from outside the town. Sean Flanagan was from Aughamore. John O'Mahoney is from Kilmovee. The following Ballagh players who represented Mayo (no choice if you are from Ballagh unless you move clubs) were and are Roscommon men - Sean Kilbride, Noel Durkin, Andy Moran and Pierce Hanley. Sean Kilbride would later move clubs and play with his home county. His sons represent Roscommon today.

The transfer of Ballaghaderreen across county boundaries was also not some dastardly British act. The Dillons were a nationalist family (Mayogodhelpus re those Brits you kicked out in Ballagh - James Dillon btw went on to lead Fine Gael and continued to keep his address as County Mayo). County boundaries themselves are, however, a British construct. Mayo benefited greatly from boundary changes too getting Ballina. Roscommon lost Athlone.

Ballagh in the early days did transfer to Roscommon for awhile and only moved back to Mayo due to some argument lost in the sands of time.


As for the Earley family - yes they moved from Mayo, but Dermot grew up in Roscommon and went to school in Ballaghaderreen. His father, the great Peader Earley, also founded the Michael Glaveys club in 1956. Most counties have benefited in some way from families moving in - Mayo have done very well themselves. Who knows: Roscommon might have been a hurling superpower had Eddie Keher's family not moved to Kilkenny. His cousin did win an All-Ireland junior hurling medal with Ros in the 60s.

Today Roscommon natives in Ballaghaderreen still cannot represent their native county - unless they move their home town. As someone who grew up there, that still galls me. I will say the zeal in which they have prevented Ros players from playing with their native county has often gone beyond the beyonds. There was a lot of skullduggery in preventing the second club - St John's - from going ahead and it was voted down by the Connacht Council in the early 90s when Mayo, Galway and Leitrim voted against it. I wonder why these counties felt they had the right to prevent Roscommon people playing with their native county - who were not at the time doing anything to hinder the local club, but just setting up a second club.

I recall when the girls of the town set up a women's football team that was affiliated with Roscommon, because it so happened there was never a ladies team in the town. The old football field by the convent was owned by the town - not the GAA - and when the girls went to play in this not-in-use pitch (full of rushes and the like), some grown GAA men locked them out for fear a Roscommon gaa club would get a foothold. Mighty men altogether to prevent young girls from playing. Twasn't that long ago that happened either.

One thing they can't stop is the huge support for Ros in the town - some of the best Ros supporters are Ballagh men and women.

Lads, sorry to butt in here, but can someone clarify for me. A player who plays for Ballaghadereen is NOT allowed to declare for Roscommon..is that the case?

There is a similar type scenario down here on the Kerry/Cork border in Ballydesmond (home club of Donnacha O'Connor amongst others). Ballydesmond, parrish is actually split by the border...most of is in Cork, but part of it is in Kerry. Now I'm not sure what arrangement the GAA have in place for this, but in a Munster Junior c/ship game a few years back there were players from Ballydesmond GAA club on opposing sides when Kerry played Cork! Niall Fleming, who plays with Ballydesmond and Duhallow in the Cork senior c/ship is from the Kerry side and declared for us..decent player too.
Now, given that similar situation, I cannot understand how a player with Ballaghadereen (which is in Roscommon after all) cannot be allowed to declare for Ros. Its a very strange scenario.

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 01:23:48 AM
Always amazed the amount of nonsense that gets posted from the plains of the yews when the subject of Ballagh crops up.

Amazing how the Rossies are always called blow-ins. Funny enough, some of the most famous Ballagh men who have represented Mayo were from outside the town. Sean Flanagan was from Aughamore. John O'Mahoney is from Kilmovee. The following Ballagh players who represented Mayo (no choice if you are from Ballagh unless you move clubs) were and are Roscommon men - Sean Kilbride, Noel Durkin, Andy Moran and Pierce Hanley. Sean Kilbride would later move clubs and play with his home county. His sons represent Roscommon today.

The transfer of Ballaghaderreen across county boundaries was also not some dastardly British act. The Dillons were a nationalist family (Mayogodhelpus re those Brits you kicked out in Ballagh - James Dillon btw went on to lead Fine Gael and continued to keep his address as County Mayo). County boundaries themselves are, however, a British construct. Mayo benefited greatly from boundary changes too getting Ballina. Roscommon lost Athlone.

Ballagh in the early days did transfer to Roscommon for awhile and only moved back to Mayo due to some argument lost in the sands of time.


As for the Earley family - yes they moved from Mayo, but Dermot grew up in Roscommon and went to school in Ballaghaderreen. His father, the great Peader Earley, also founded the Michael Glaveys club in 1956. Most counties have benefited in some way from families moving in - Mayo have done very well themselves. Who knows: Roscommon might have been a hurling superpower had Eddie Keher's family not moved to Kilkenny. His cousin did win an All-Ireland junior hurling medal with Ros in the 60s.

Today Roscommon natives in Ballaghaderreen still cannot represent their native county - unless they move their home town. As someone who grew up there, that still galls me. I will say the zeal in which they have prevented Ros players from playing with their native county has often gone beyond the beyonds. There was a lot of skullduggery in preventing the second club - St John's - from going ahead and it was voted down by the Connacht Council in the early 90s when Mayo, Galway and Leitrim voted against it. I wonder why these counties felt they had the right to prevent Roscommon people playing with their native county - who were not at the time doing anything to hinder the local club, but just setting up a second club.

I recall when the girls of the town set up a women's football team that was affiliated with Roscommon, because it so happened there was never a ladies team in the town. The old football field by the convent was owned by the town - not the GAA - and when the girls went to play in this not-in-use pitch (full of rushes and the like), some grown GAA men locked them out for fear a Roscommon gaa club would get a foothold. Mighty men altogether to prevent young girls from playing. Twasn't that long ago that happened either.

One thing they can't stop is the huge support for Ros in the town - some of the best Ros supporters are Ballagh men and women.

Good too see you are still about, Turlough. I was beginning to worry that you were not going to rise re-appear and join in the annual moanfest that you Rossies regale us with; without fail, the bleating and baaing begins in the run up to the championships.
For some people the rise of mayfly on the Moy heralds the arrival of summer, while for others it's call of the cuckoo or the spectacle of swallows skimming across the meadows.
But I'm of a more prosaic turn of mind. When the sheepophiles resume their clamouring to get back what they never had to begin with, I know championship time is just around the next bend.
Mind you, this year the moaning  has begun earlier than usual- must be that there's feck all else to worry the lot of ye.
I know that getting reason from a Rossie is like getting milk from a bull but in the cause of good fellowship and harmony between our peoples, I'm prepared to have another lash at pointing out the (GAA) facts of life to all who have eyes and are willing to listen.

The idea that sport should be above politics plays no part in the Rossie psyche or so it appears.
The sole reason being put forward claiming  Ballagh GAA club should play its football in Roscommon is that it is in Roscommon for local government reasons.
In other words, football should come second to politics.
Now, if there is merit in that argument, why isn't Dublin split into four regions and shouldn't the present (GAA) county of Tipperary operate as two separate entities?
I have laboured in vain trying to get that point of elementary logic across to your companions on this board but so far it's been like attempting to play handball against a haystack.
No matte how hard or often I've tried or how magnanimous or conciliatory I have been, I wind up back at square one very time.
Ballagh plays its football in Mayo because the membership opted to affiliate with the Mayo CB when the club was founded. Obviously, it made sense to do so- at least at that time.
(Jaysus, I don't want to get into knots about PLUs and Civil vs. RC parishes and Grand Juries and all that stuff again.)
The Dillons may well have been Nationalists of a sort but that didn't stop them opting for the best deal available at any time and 'Johneen' was influential in getting the civil parishes of Castlemore and Kilcolman transferred to the new Roscommon jurisdiction. The rate struck was lower than the one he'd have to pony up in Mayo.
There was, and is, no compelling reason for the Ballagh GAA club to change anything it does. Either they are right to stay out of politics or they are not.
I suggest they are.
However, if the membership of this club decided to change its present policies in any way, I feel they would be quite entitled to do so.

On a serious note, the potential for trouble has always been there where county and club catchments areas are concerned because there is no set standard to follow. The GAA club, in theory at ay rate, is based on the RC parish, which is not the same as the civil parish which was a unit of local government administration. I think its fair to say that the county as a unit of administration only came into prominence after that local govt. act of 1898.
If the members of Ballagh GAA club wish to remain affiliated with Mayo that is their entitlement.

Incidentally, I don't understand what the fuss over Gorthaganny is all about.
I mentioned the case of the Earley brothers playing for Roscommon to back my argument that it wasn't a case of gain all the way for Mayo when the boundaries were changed and Ballagh opted to stay with Mayo. The lads played for the nearest club in their vicinity as they were quite entitled to do.

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 13, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
Lads, sorry to butt in here, but can someone clarify for me. A player who plays for Ballaghadereen is NOT allowed to declare for Roscommon..is that the case?

There is a similar type scenario down here on the Kerry/Cork border in Ballydesmond (home club of Donnacha O'Connor amongst others). Ballydesmond, parrish is actually split by the border...most of is in Cork, but part of it is in Kerry. Now I'm not sure what arrangement the GAA have in place for this, but in a Munster Junior c/ship game a few years back there were players from Ballydesmond GAA club on opposing sides when Kerry played Cork! Niall Fleming, who plays with Ballydesmond and Duhallow in the Cork senior c/ship is from the Kerry side and declared for us..decent player too.
Now, given that similar situation, I cannot understand how a player with Ballaghadereen (which is in Roscommon after all) cannot be allowed to declare for Ros. Its a very strange scenario.

The current Mayo captain is from Ballaghadereen county Roscommon which makes it even a stranger scenario.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2012, 03:57:52 PM

Good too see you are still about, Turlough. I was beginning to worry that you were not going to rise re-appear and join in the annual moanfest that you Rossies regale us with; without fail, the bleating and baaing begins in the run up to the championships.
For some people the rise of mayfly on the Moy heralds the arrival of summer, while for others it's call of the cuckoo or the spectacle of swallows skimming across the meadows.
But I'm of a more prosaic turn of mind. When the sheepophiles resume their clamouring to get back what they never had to begin with, I know championship time is just around the next bend.
Mind you, this year the moaning  has begun earlier than usual- must be that there's feck all else to worry the lot of ye.
I know that getting reason from a Rossie is like getting milk from a bull but in the cause of good fellowship and harmony between our peoples, I'm prepared to have another lash at pointing out the (GAA) facts of life to all who have eyes and are willing to listen.
There was, and is, no compelling reason for the Ballagh GAA club to change anything it does. Either they are right to stay out of politics or they are not.
I suggest they are.
However, if the membership of this club decided to change its present policies in any way, I feel they would be quite entitled to do so.

Lar, good to see the Mayo trait of being wide off the mark is alive and kicking.

No one is suggesting the Ballaghaderreen GAA club transfer back to Roscommon. However Mayo and the Connacht Council have in the past prevented a second club from being formed - to be affiliated with Roscommon. A ladies GAA club affiliated to Roscommon was also ruthlessly treated.

On the flip side, Roscommon County Council has ploughed huge grants into the redevelopment of the Ballagh club's pitch.

Would you be happy if you lived in Mayo but were told you could not represent Mayo, nor could your sons, or your grandsons? That's the way Roscommon people in Ballaghaderreen are treated.

The reality is the town is in Roscommon, has been for over 100 years, yet we are still being asked to respect the county border created by Queen Elizabeth and hav to listen to nonsense about the Brits moving the town.  Indeed, I am surprised Michael Ring is not asking us to apologise to the Royals for disrespecting their county border. The red above the green, how are ya.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2012, 06:35:14 PM

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 13, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
Lads, sorry to butt in here, but can someone clarify for me. A player who plays for Ballaghadereen is NOT allowed to declare for Roscommon..is that the case?

There is a similar type scenario down here on the Kerry/Cork border in Ballydesmond (home club of Donnacha O'Connor amongst others). Ballydesmond, parrish is actually split by the border...most of is in Cork, but part of it is in Kerry. Now I'm not sure what arrangement the GAA have in place for this, but in a Munster Junior c/ship game a few years back there were players from Ballydesmond GAA club on opposing sides when Kerry played Cork! Niall Fleming, who plays with Ballydesmond and Duhallow in the Cork senior c/ship is from the Kerry side and declared for us..decent player too.
Now, given that similar situation, I cannot understand how a player with Ballaghadereen (which is in Roscommon after all) cannot be allowed to declare for Ros. Its a very strange scenario.

The current Mayo captain is from Ballaghadereen county Roscommon which makes it even a stranger scenario.

He is from the GAA county of Mayo not the administrative county of Mayo. Like what has been said before, based on the Sheepophiles argument,
Galway City,
Limerick City,
Cork City,
Waterford City,
Fingal,
Tipperary North Riding,
Tipperary South Riding,
South Dublin,
Dublin City,
Dun-Laoighaire-Rathdown,
Ards,
Ballymeana,
Ballymoney,
Banbridge,
Belfast City,
Castlefergus,
Castlereagh,
Coleraine,
Cookstown,
Craigavon,
Dungannon&South-Down,
Larne,
Limavady,
Lisburn,
Magherafelt,
Moyle,
Newry&Mourne,
Newtownabbey,
NorthDown,
Omagh,
Strabane

WELCOME to the All-Ireland series.

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
The red above the green, how are ya.

Its Green and Red, or the Green above the Red.

So what have we learnt from this wonderful informative thread?

(1) Loughglynn,Gorthaganny are two separate villages in Co Roscommon.
(2) The Earley's grew up in Roscommon kicked their first football here, wore their county colours with pride.
(3) Forget the past this is the present for the record Ballaghaderreen is officially a Roscommon town (many miles inside our border actually) it was when i and others here was born forever will be Long after we're dead & gone.
(4) The sheepophiles stuff is rather tiresome at this stage, lay of the rhubarb crumble guys.

Quote from: ross4life on May 13, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
So what have we learnt from this wonderful informative thread?

(1) Loughglynn,Gorthaganny are two separate villages in Co Roscommon.
(2) The Earley's grew up in Roscommon kicked their first football here, wore their county colours with pride.
(3) Forget the past this is the present for the record Ballaghaderreen is officially a Roscommon town (many miles inside our border actually) it was when i and others here was born forever will be Long after we're dead & gone.
(4) The sheepophiles stuff is rather tiresome at this stage, lay of the rhubarb crumble guys.

Same time, same place, same arguments next year?

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 13, 2012, 07:10:34 PM
Dungannon&South-Down,

Bejasus that's some bit of gerrymandering there  ;D
Nearly as bad as trying to claim Ballagh is in rhubarbland.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2012, 07:34:27 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 13, 2012, 07:10:34 PM
Dungannon&South-Down,

Bejasus that's some bit of gerrymandering there  ;D
Nearly as bad as trying to claim Ballagh is in rhubarbland.

Bejasus yerself, ye took yer time arriving. I was beginning to think you had bottled it! ;D

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2012, 07:48:17 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 13, 2012, 07:34:27 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 13, 2012, 07:10:34 PM
Dungannon&South-Down,

Bejasus that's some bit of gerrymandering there  ;D
Nearly as bad as trying to claim Ballagh is in rhubarbland.

Take an oul peek at page one buck  ;)

Bejasus yerself, ye took yer time arriving. I was beginning to think you had bottled it! ;D

Quote from: ross4life on May 13, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
So what have we learnt from this wonderful informative thread?

(3) Forget the past this is the present for the record Ballaghaderreen is officially a Roscommon town (many miles inside our border actually) it was when i and others here was born forever will be Long after we're dead & gone.

What about all the new counties I have mentioned, they are no different from amendments to older counties. If Athlone keeps expanding West should those areas become Westmeath. What about the areas of Clare that Limerick City wish to acquire, or the areas of Kilkenny that Waterford are asking for. If one of the new counties in the old Dublin were to acquire parts or Meath, Kildare or Wicklow what is you opinion on those? Why does Tipperary North and South Ridings with their own county councils share one team, while Meath and Westmeath have their own teams?

Why would obfuscating the point ever be a proper argument? Every situation has different dynamics.

The key one here being that Ballagh has been a Roscommon town for longer than the state itself has existed.

MGHU how about sticking to the topic of a thread for once? the OP wanted clarity, he got it Ballaghaderreen is in Co Roscommon but people from the town can only play for Mayo under ancient GAA laws.

Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2012, 09:41:46 PM
Why would obfuscating the point ever be a proper argument? Every situation has different dynamics.

The key one here being that Ballagh has been a Roscommon town for longer than the state itself has existed.

The town has spent longer in Mayo and also longer not in Roscommon than it has within.

When will the folk from the Connacht county without a coast (what self-respecting county has no coast) realise that the GAA counties and the administrative counties are not the same, or else the 6 counties of the North bar Fermanagh would cease to exist, goodbye Dublin, Tipperary and Galway/Waterford/Limerick in their current forms.

Quote from: ross4life on May 13, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
MGHU how about sticking to the topic of a thread for once? the OP wanted clarity, he got it Ballaghaderreen is in Co Roscommon but people from the town can only play for Mayo under ancient GAA laws.

Ballaghaderreen is in the GAA County of Mayo.

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Lar, good to see the Mayo trait of being wide off the mark is alive and kicking.

I respect your superior expertise in this field. ;D

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
No one is suggesting the Ballaghaderreen GAA club transfer back to Roscommon.

I beg to differ. You and you alone are the only one who hasn't demanded this, never mind just suggest it.
What else could you possibly have in mind? With emigration and unemployment being what they are, it must be hard to keep one such club going, never mind two.

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
However Mayo and the Connacht Council have in the past prevented a second club from being formed - to be affiliated with Roscommon. A ladies GAA club affiliated to Roscommon was also ruthlessly treated.

I am genuinely curious here.
What were the reasons given for not letting a second club be formed? This time last year when this subject got its customary airing on the board, we were told that all other counties voted against the Rossie's proposals.
We also got the predictable "We wuz robbed" crap from some of your fellow-travellers but no one came up with a credible reason for the Connacht Council refusing the application.
I know nothing about the ladies club you mention. If it had been formed under the auspices of the Connacht Council, it should have been allowed operate as a bona fide unit of the Association. Don't know...can't comment further.

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
The reality is the town is in Roscommon, has been for over 100 years, yet we are still being asked to respect the county border created by Queen Elizabeth and hav to listen to nonsense about the Brits moving the town. 

What the hell???
Tell me, Turlough, which of us is making a big deal out of the border?
You are the ones who claim that since Ballagh finds itself on the Roscommon side of "the county border created by Queen Elizabeth and hav to listen to nonsense about the Brits moving the town," this club must cease playing in Mayo and affiliate with the Rossie CB whether the members like it or not.

That's the Roscommon concept of democracy, is it?

Are you even reading the posts, Lar? I never said Ballagh had to switch to Roscommon. I said the only solutions are a dispensation that lets Roscommon members of the club play for their county if they so choose or moving the club entirely, which is obviously the nuclear option.

A solution is needed - to say people haven't offered up ones besides moving the club is as fat a lie as I've seen. If Mayo people - particularly those at the club - continue to be so hard-line as to ignore common sense and allow Roscommon people in a Roscommon town not play for their own county they'll pay for it with the club. The only direction that the demographics of the club is going is towards more and more Roscommon members and in time they may not even bother with keeping the club in Mayo if the Mayo members continue fuelling the resentment.

If there's so many Rossies in Ballagh surely it would be easy to propose a vote through the local GAA club that players playing for Ballaghaderreen have the option of playing for either county?

Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 13, 2012, 10:47:01 PM
If there's so many Rossies in Ballagh surely it would be easy to propose a vote through the local GAA club that players playing for Ballaghaderreen have the option of playing for either county?

Plenty of members, even with all the defections to other Roscommon clubs by Ballagh natives, but the board is pretty much entirely die-hard Mayo, there's lots of stories of the board refusing to let kids transfer to Western Gaels so they could play for Roscommon.

Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2012, 11:02:00 PM

Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 13, 2012, 10:47:01 PM
If there's so many Rossies in Ballagh surely it would be easy to propose a vote through the local GAA club that players playing for Ballaghaderreen have the option of playing for either county?

Plenty of members, even with all the defections to other Roscommon clubs by Ballagh natives, but the board is pretty much entirely die-hard Mayo, there's lots of stories of the board refusing to let kids transfer to Western Gaels so they could play for Roscommon.

::)

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 13, 2012, 11:18:31 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2012, 11:02:00 PM

Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 13, 2012, 10:47:01 PM
If there's so many Rossies in Ballagh surely it would be easy to propose a vote through the local GAA club that players playing for Ballaghaderreen have the option of playing for either county?

Plenty of members, even with all the defections to other Roscommon clubs by Ballagh natives, but the board is pretty much entirely die-hard Mayo, there's lots of stories of the board refusing to let kids transfer to Western Gaels so they could play for Roscommon.

::)

Care to disprove them? How many years have you lived in the area?  ;)

The board? What board? Could it not be brought up at AGM?

Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2012, 11:02:00 PM

Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 13, 2012, 10:47:01 PM
If there's so many Rossies in Ballagh surely it would be easy to propose a vote through the local GAA club that players playing for Ballaghaderreen have the option of playing for either county?

Plenty of members, even with all the defections to other Roscommon clubs by Ballagh natives, but the board is pretty much entirely die-hard Mayo, there's lots of stories of the board refusing to let kids transfer to Western Gaels so they could play for Roscommon.

For all the talk of the GAA being a democracy in name only, if the majority of a club's members wish to change something, it can and does be done. Not overly familiar with the politics of the GAA club in Ballagh' but from my experience of being there to play football and knowing people there, the Mayo/Ros loyalties appear to be split pretty much halfway. Is this not true?

Quote from: ross4life on May 13, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
So what have we learnt from this wonderful informative thread?

(1) Loughglynn,Gorthaganny are two separate villages in Co Roscommon.
(2) The Earley's grew up in Roscommon kicked their first football here, wore their county colours with pride.
(3) Forget the past this is the present for the record Ballaghaderreen is officially a Roscommon town (many miles inside our border actually) it was when i and others here was born forever will be Long after we're dead & gone.
(4) The sheepophiles stuff is rather tiresome at this stage, lay of the rhubarb crumble guys.

Re point 3. It's not THAT far inside Roscommon.

Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 13, 2012, 11:38:36 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2012, 11:02:00 PM

Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 13, 2012, 10:47:01 PM
If there's so many Rossies in Ballagh surely it would be easy to propose a vote through the local GAA club that players playing for Ballaghaderreen have the option of playing for either county?

Plenty of members, even with all the defections to other Roscommon clubs by Ballagh natives, but the board is pretty much entirely die-hard Mayo, there's lots of stories of the board refusing to let kids transfer to Western Gaels so they could play for Roscommon.

For all the talk of the GAA being a democracy in name only, if the majority of a club's members wish to change something, it can and does be done. Not overly familiar with the politics of the GAA club in Ballagh' but from my experience of being there to play football and knowing people there, the Mayo/Ros loyalties appear to be split pretty much halfway. Is this not true?

Worth ploughing through this thread for this gem.

Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 12:00:23 AM

Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 13, 2012, 11:38:36 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2012, 11:02:00 PM

Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 13, 2012, 10:47:01 PM
If there's so many Rossies in Ballagh surely it would be easy to propose a vote through the local GAA club that players playing for Ballaghaderreen have the option of playing for either county?

Plenty of members, even with all the defections to other Roscommon clubs by Ballagh natives, but the board is pretty much entirely die-hard Mayo, there's lots of stories of the board refusing to let kids transfer to Western Gaels so they could play for Roscommon.

For all the talk of the GAA being a democracy in name only, if the majority of a club's members wish to change something, it can and does be done. Not overly familiar with the politics of the GAA club in Ballagh' but from my experience of being there to play football and knowing people there, the Mayo/Ros loyalties appear to be split pretty much halfway. Is this not true?

Worth ploughing through this thread for this gem.

Glad I made it worth your while.

Quote from: ross4life on May 13, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
MGHU how about sticking to the topic of a thread for once? the OP wanted clarity, he got it Ballaghaderreen is in Co Roscommon but people from the town can only play for Mayo under ancient GAA laws.

I for one am sticking to the topic.
Ballaghadereen is indeed in County Roscommon for local government purposes. So what?
I keep repeating that sport should be above politics. In doing this I am confident that 99.99% of GAA people will agree with me.
You say that under "ancient GAA laws" people from the town can only play for Mayo.
I'm truly at a loss to understand what your problem is with this.
Is the club or indeed the Mayo CB doing anything illegal in sticking to the terms of 'GAA laws?"
(I think you will agree, after mature consideration of course, that the relevant ancient laws in question are political and not GAA ones.)

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2012, 09:59:54 PM

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Lar, good to see the Mayo trait of being wide off the mark is alive and kicking.

I respect your superior expertise in this field. ;D

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
No one is suggesting the Ballaghaderreen GAA club transfer back to Roscommon.

I beg to differ. You and you alone are the only one who hasn't demanded this, never mind just suggest it.
What else could you possibly have in mind? With emigration and unemployment being what they are, it must be hard to keep one such club going, never mind two.

A commonsense approach would be good: allow club to continue to play in Mayo but allow Roscommon players to declare for Ros.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2012, 09:59:54 PM

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
However Mayo and the Connacht Council have in the past prevented a second club from being formed - to be affiliated with Roscommon. A ladies GAA club affiliated to Roscommon was also ruthlessly treated.

I am genuinely curious here.
What were the reasons given for not letting a second club be formed? This time last year when this subject got its customary airing on the board, we were told that all other counties voted against the Rossie's proposals.
We also got the predictable "We wuz robbed" crap from some of your fellow-travellers but no one came up with a credible reason for the Connacht Council refusing the application.

Simple answer there. Sligo and Roscommon voted to allow the St John's club (which was really just going to start off as an underage club). Mayo and Galway voted against it. Leitrim had the deciding vote. With Johno manager at the time, they voted against it. That's democracy Connacht Council style. Some Juntas around the world can only watch and admire.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 13, 2012, 09:59:54 PM

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 13, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
The reality is the town is in Roscommon, has been for over 100 years, yet we are still being asked to respect the county border created by Queen Elizabeth and hav to listen to nonsense about the Brits moving the town. 

What the hell???
Tell me, Turlough, which of us is making a big deal out of the border?
You are the ones who claim that since Ballagh finds itself on the Roscommon side of "the county border created by Queen Elizabeth and hav to listen to nonsense about the Brits moving the town," this club must cease playing in Mayo and affiliate with the Rossie CB whether the members like it or not.

That's the Roscommon concept of democracy, is it?

Again, none of the Ballagh Rossies have tried to move the club. All we have asked is that our right to represent our native county be respected by the GAA and the Connacht Council in particular (who will do feck all). It gets a bit old when Mayo folk say Ballagh is a Mayo town. The Queen Elizabeth reference was, of course, an attempt at sarcasm. I've always found it a little ironic how some Mayo folk talk about Ballagh's former status in Mayo as if it was some kind of eternal verity, some immutable truth that the Rossies disrupted when it fact the county boundary that was changed in the late 1800s was a county boundary created by Queen Elizabeth in the first place and changed by a Mayoman - as you correctly state for cheaper water rates. It was an arbitrary boundary to begin with. In the real world of today, Ballaghaderreen is in Roscommon. As one of the major towns in a lowly populated county (with less than half the population of Mayo), there's something seriously wrong when Mayo with one of the biggest player picks in Ireland get to take all the players in Ballaghaderreen.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2012, 11:36:28 PM
The board? What board? Could it not be brought up at AGM?

Well I'm using it as a euphemism for the brain trust, the chairman, the treasurer, the people with political sway in the club, they're overwhelmingly die-hard Mayo.

The worst part of all this is that it's Ballagh GAA that's suffering the most - if it even offered dual 'citizenship' it'd probably have Seanie McDermott and Derek Moran in its ranks and there's plenty of other people who went to school in the town like Cathal Cregg and who knows who they'd have choosen to play for if county allegiance wasn't an issue. The whole are is awash with club talent - in 2008 Ballagh, Castelerea and Eastern Harps won the Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo championships, all three being local clubs. If Ballagh were able to win one title with what they have already, how many more could they have won with its true pick?

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2012, 11:43:05 PM

Quote from: ross4life on May 13, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
So what have we learnt from this wonderful informative thread?

(1) Loughglynn,Gorthaganny are two separate villages in Co Roscommon.
(2) The Earley's grew up in Roscommon kicked their first football here, wore their county colours with pride.
(3) Forget the past this is the present for the record Ballaghaderreen is officially a Roscommon town (many miles inside our border actually) it was when i and others here was born forever will be Long after we're dead & gone.
(4) The sheepophiles stuff is rather tiresome at this stage, lay of the rhubarb crumble guys.

Re point 3. It's not THAT far inside Roscommon.

Yes it is.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 12:30:14 AM

Quote from: ross4life on May 13, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
MGHU how about sticking to the topic of a thread for once? the OP wanted clarity, he got it Ballaghaderreen is in Co Roscommon but people from the town can only play for Mayo under ancient GAA laws.

I for one am sticking to the topic.
Ballaghadereen is indeed in County Roscommon for local government purposes. So what?
I keep repeating that sport should be above politics. In doing this I am confident that 99.99% of GAA people will agree with me.
You say that under "ancient GAA laws" people from the town can only play for Mayo.
I'm truly at a loss to understand what your problem is with this.
Is the club or indeed the Mayo CB doing anything illegal in sticking to the terms of 'GAA laws?"
(I think you will agree, after mature consideration of course, that the relevant ancient laws in question are political and not GAA ones.)

After consideration i'm sure you discovered the sheepophiles comments weren't very mature?

This was posted up before the Connacht final last July you probably missed like the main points of this thread.

Seán Kilbride

"I was very honoured to be thought of as good enough to play for Mayo and I was fully committed to them at every level from minor to under-21 to junior to senior. I had long since abandoned any desire to play for Roscommon because it just never came into the reckoning because you knew it was never going to be on. But there was definitely part of my mind that was conscious of the fact that my identity was very much Roscommon."

In time, he got the chance to flesh out that identity. Life pushes you and prods you in directions you can't always control. After his father died, Kilbride took over the family farm in Ballintubber. Although he combined it with playing for Mayo, after a while he was dropped from the panel for missing league games. He was friends with Dermot Earley through his time being stationed in the Curragh, however, and Earley asked him would he like to join the Roscommon panel.

"Part of me was worried because it would have been seen as a controversial move at the time. But there was another part of me that was thinking that it would have fulfilled my father's wishes in many ways. And I also felt that I would be playing for my own county finally. Of course, the first game was against Mayo."

Kilbride went on to have a hugely enjoyable Indian summer with his adopted (readopted?) county. He picked up Connacht medals in 1978 and '79 but missed the run to the 1980 All-Ireland final with a broken leg. He tried a comeback in '81 but his time was up. He threw himself into Roscommon GAA and trained teams at every level. Tomorrow, his son Senan will line out at full forward and another son, Ian, will be on the bench. His Ballagh days are long ago now.

"I don't think the Ballaghaderreen club will ever change or be brought in to play in the Roscommon championship. But I do believe that players growing up should have a choice whether they want to play with either Roscommon or Mayo. If you grow up in a household with a Mayo sense of identity, then okay, you ought to be able to play for that county. But for those like myself who grew up in a Roscommon household with a Roscommon sense of identity, they should be allowed to choose, especially since it is in their own county.

"I think it would be good for Ballaghaderreen too. I think you would have more players getting county trials and playing at county level. Roscommon has less than half the Mayo population so inevitably there would be more players getting trials and call-ups. As well as that it would be the right thing to do. Because there is a resentment in Roscommon that the second biggest town in the county is lost to it in GAA terms, even though the town is administered by Roscommon and in every way is a Roscommon town."

The bits in bold might help you to understand?

Quote from: ross4life on May 14, 2012, 01:11:15 AM
even though the town is administered by Roscommon and in every way is a Roscommon town. [/i]

The bits in bold might help you to understand?

What part of the town being under the remit of Castlebar or Roscommon town as far as local government is concerned not mattering in the least, do you not understand? The town may unfortunatly be now in the administrative county of Roscommon, but it has been and will always remain a part of the GAA county of Mayo. The Roscommon argument is ridiculous when you think about the situation of Places like Tipperary North & South Riding, the Balkenised Dublin, Ards, Castlereagh, Galway City Council etc. This is the G.A.A. not local government. I will always consider myself and always do condisder myself having returned to Mayo (when driving from Dublin) when I come within a few kilometres East of Ballagh.

Maigh Eó go brách.

Quote from: ross4life on May 14, 2012, 01:11:15 AM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2012, 11:43:05 PM

Quote from: ross4life on May 13, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
So what have we learnt from this wonderful informative thread?

(1) Loughglynn,Gorthaganny are two separate villages in Co Roscommon.
(2) The Earley's grew up in Roscommon kicked their first football here, wore their county colours with pride.
(3) Forget the past this is the present for the record Ballaghaderreen is officially a Roscommon town (many miles inside our border actually) it was when i and others here was born forever will be Long after we're dead & gone.
(4) The sheepophiles stuff is rather tiresome at this stage, lay of the rhubarb crumble guys.

Re point 3. It's not THAT far inside Roscommon.

Yes it is.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 12:30:14 AM

Quote from: ross4life on May 13, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
MGHU how about sticking to the topic of a thread for once? the OP wanted clarity, he got it Ballaghaderreen is in Co Roscommon but people from the town can only play for Mayo under ancient GAA laws.

I for one am sticking to the topic.
Ballaghadereen is indeed in County Roscommon for local government purposes. So what?
I keep repeating that sport should be above politics. In doing this I am confident that 99.99% of GAA people will agree with me.
You say that under "ancient GAA laws" people from the town can only play for Mayo.
I'm truly at a loss to understand what your problem is with this.
Is the club or indeed the Mayo CB doing anything illegal in sticking to the terms of 'GAA laws?"
(I think you will agree, after mature consideration of course, that the relevant ancient laws in question are political and not GAA ones.)

After consideration i'm sure you discovered the sheepophiles comments weren't very mature?

This was posted up before the Connacht final last July you probably missed like the main points of this thread.

Seán Kilbride

"I was very honoured to be thought of as good enough to play for Mayo and I was fully committed to them at every level from minor to under-21 to junior to senior. I had long since abandoned any desire to play for Roscommon because it just never came into the reckoning because you knew it was never going to be on. But there was definitely part of my mind that was conscious of the fact that my identity was very much Roscommon."

In time, he got the chance to flesh out that identity. Life pushes you and prods you in directions you can't always control. After his father died, Kilbride took over the family farm in Ballintubber. Although he combined it with playing for Mayo, after a while he was dropped from the panel for missing league games. He was friends with Dermot Earley through his time being stationed in the Curragh, however, and Earley asked him would he like to join the Roscommon panel.

"Part of me was worried because it would have been seen as a controversial move at the time. But there was another part of me that was thinking that it would have fulfilled my father's wishes in many ways. And I also felt that I would be playing for my own county finally. Of course, the first game was against Mayo."

Kilbride went on to have a hugely enjoyable Indian summer with his adopted (readopted?) county. He picked up Connacht medals in 1978 and '79 but missed the run to the 1980 All-Ireland final with a broken leg. He tried a comeback in '81 but his time was up. He threw himself into Roscommon GAA and trained teams at every level. Tomorrow, his son Senan will line out at full forward and another son, Ian, will be on the bench. His Ballagh days are long ago now.

"I don't think the Ballaghaderreen club will ever change or be brought in to play in the Roscommon championship. But I do believe that players growing up should have a choice whether they want to play with either Roscommon or Mayo. If you grow up in a household with a Mayo sense of identity, then okay, you ought to be able to play for that county. But for those like myself who grew up in a Roscommon household with a Roscommon sense of identity, they should be allowed to choose, especially since it is in their own county.

"I think it would be good for Ballaghaderreen too. I think you would have more players getting county trials and playing at county level. Roscommon has less than half the Mayo population so inevitably there would be more players getting trials and call-ups. As well as that it would be the right thing to do. Because there is a resentment in Roscommon that the second biggest town in the county is lost to it in GAA terms, even though the town is administered by Roscommon and in every way is a Roscommon town."

The bits in bold might help you to understand?

Sean Kilbride is a decent man.
I went to Nathys with him so I can vouch for that.
However, with the greatest respect, Sean Kilbride isn't posting here and even if he was, you can't expect me or anybody else to keep tabs on anything that was written about him or by him last summer.
Besides, what you've quoted is an expression of Sean Kilbride's philosophy, which doesn't necessarily imply that you share his views.
Maybe you could point out to me any instance in this thread or any other on the same subject where any of the "Ballagh is our, give it back at once" brigade admitted that the pro-Mayo faction has any rights at all.
(Anything written since I first brought the matter up in an earlier reply to Turlough doesn't count.)
I think it would be an instance of democracy in action to allow the club members have the ultimate say.
What's wrong with that?
BTW, in regard to the name calling and general slagging, if you care to consider the matter in greater detail you will find that about 90% of this puerile behaviour is coming from your side of the border.
I don't mind it at all because it means the hoor on the other side is rattled but I use it as a means of payback in similar coin.
"The fox always smells his own tail first," was a saying we had in Nathys and I think it's an apt one to use here. 

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 14, 2012, 06:11:41 AM
[and always do condisder myself having returned to Mayo (when driving from Dublin) when I come within a few kilometres East of Ballagh.

Seeing as you also think Dungannon is in south Down i take it you skipped the Geography classes  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2012, 10:12:51 PM
Are you even reading the posts, Lar? I never said Ballagh had to switch to Roscommon. I said the only solutions are a dispensation that lets Roscommon members of the club play for their county if they so choose or moving the club entirely, which is obviously the nuclear option.

A solution is needed - to say people haven't offered up ones besides moving the club is as fat a lie as I've seen. If Mayo people - particularly those at the club - continue to be so hard-line as to ignore common sense and allow Roscommon people in a Roscommon town not play for their own county they'll pay for it with the club. The only direction that the demographics of the club is going is towards more and more Roscommon members and in time they may not even bother with keeping the club in Mayo if the Mayo members continue fuelling the resentment.

I can't say I read all posts on all topics at all times but I generally read yours.
I must say I find your posts to be generally well-balanced and insightful but what you are asking me to do here is a wee bit unreasonable.
Using conventional logic, its impossible to prove a negative. I cannot say you never did say that Ballagh had to switch to Roscommon but I'll accept your word for this.
But I can say that I don't recall you ever suggesting an alternative solution either. Maybe you would point out to me an instance of you proposing an alternative solution?

"A solution is needed - to say people haven't offered up ones besides moving the club is as fat a lie as I've seen."
That's all very well and good but since neither I nor anyone else here denied this, it's a bit irrelevant.
BTW, what you posted in #12 comes across to me as a threat or at least a dire prediction and hardly provides the basis for a democratic solution.

For instance, you did say:
"The idea of a separate club was tried but it didn't take hold and Mayo people should be thanking their lucky stars for that because if one became established Ballagh's Mayo heritage would be washed away in a generation."

For that statement to be credible, the pro-Rossies must be overwhelmingly in the majority in the area at present and those who wish to keep playing in Mayo must be reduced to using every trick in the trade to prevent a democratic process taking place.
Yet, I am now being told that the present club is still very much in the grip of the Mayo supporters even though its been four to five generations ago since the town was transferred to Roscommon.

I'd say that if a second club was formed, both of them would go belly up to the detriment of all concerned.

Why not allow the members to make their own decision without undue influence from any outside interests?

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 11:13:33 AM
"The fox always smells his own tail first," was a saying we had in Nathys

I'm intrigued. Was this part of the biology curriculum?

Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 11:39:32 AM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 11:13:33 AM
"The fox always smells his own tail first," was a saying we had in Nathys

I'm intrigued. Was this part of the biology curriculum?

No.

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 14, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
A commonsense approach would be good: allow club to continue to play in Mayo but allow Roscommon players to declare for Ros.

Good post, Turlough. I'm in complete agreement with you here.
Compromise of some sort is called for but you are one of the few Rossies that appear to even consider anything other than complete victory.
Sure, no one has spelt the message out in unambiguous terms but, equally, there has been little or no consideration shown for the rights of those who wish to continue the Mayo connection.

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 14, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
However Mayo and the Connacht Council have in the past prevented a second club from being formed - to be affiliated with Roscommon. A ladies GAA club affiliated to Roscommon was also ruthlessly treated.

I think it is important to note that the Connacht Council did the blocking. I think common sense prevailed here. There is no way such a sparsely-populated region could possibly support two separate clubs.
Now, if the motion had been to allow the pro-Rossie brigade to declare for their county, I think most Mayo people would accept it.
Quite possibly, some club members might not but I don't think most Mayo people are too pushed one way or the other.

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 14, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
Again, none of the Ballagh Rossies have tried to move the club.

That may well be true of the club members but it's not coming across here this year or any of the previous times when this controversy got its regular airing.

Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on May 14, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
All we have asked is that our right to represent our native county be respected by the GAA and the Connacht Council in particular (who will do feck all). It gets a bit old when Mayo folk say Ballagh is a Mayo town. The Queen Elizabeth reference was, of course, an attempt at sarcasm. I've always found it a little ironic how some Mayo folk talk about Ballagh's former status in Mayo as if it was some kind of eternal verity, some immutable truth that the Rossies disrupted when it fact the county boundary that was changed in the late 1800s was a county boundary created by Queen Elizabeth in the first place and changed by a Mayoman - as you correctly state for cheaper water rates. It was an arbitrary boundary to begin with. In the real world of today, Ballaghaderreen is in Roscommon. As one of the major towns in a lowly populated county (with less than half the population of Mayo), there's something seriously wrong when Mayo with one of the biggest player picks in Ireland get to take all the players in Ballaghaderreen.

Then maybe the voice of reason has been drowned by the incessant whine coming from some on 'your' side of the border.
It seems to me, and I imagine every other Mayo supporter on this board, that an outburst of griping and growling starts up every year around this time and that hyperbole replaces reason.
A man would really have to hold his nose and wade deep through the ullage to find a scrap or two of common sense.
I'm glad you are, as always, an exception to the general consensus.
Would you not go a step further and agree that it is really a matter for the club members to come up with an internal solution that satisfies both sides to the greatest extent possible?
I mean the town of Ballagh was transferred around four or five generations ago. Surely, it's reasonable to expect that the demographics would have changed sufficiently in the interim to have a controlling Rossie interest in the club by now.

Yet it seems that a strong and uncompromising Mayo element remains firmly in control. This baffles me-maybe there is more to the story than we are being told.

Whatever the reason, or reasons, the future of the club depends on actions being taken by the club members. Surely, if the population is as overwhelmingly pro-Rossie as we are led to believe, there should be enough voting members amongst them to force the club to seek the dispensation you mention.

Quote
I will always consider myself and always do condisder myself having returned to Mayo (when driving from Dublin) when I come within a few kilometres East of Ballagh.

I'd say when you go into a Irish pub in England you probably consider it Mayo also.

Quote
Sean Kilbride is a decent man.
I went to Nathys with him so I can vouch for that.
However, with the greatest respect, Sean Kilbride isn’t posting here and even if he was, you can’t expect me or anybody else to keep tabs on anything that was written about him or by him last summer.
Besides, what you’ve quoted is an expression of Sean Kilbride’s philosophy, which doesn’t necessarily imply that you share his views.
Maybe you could point out to me any instance in this thread or any other on the same subject where any of the “Ballagh is our, give it back at once” brigade admitted that the pro-Mayo faction has any rights at all.
(Anything written since I first brought the matter up in an earlier reply to Turlough doesn’t count.)
I think it would be an instance of democracy in action to allow the club members have the ultimate say.
What’s wrong with that?
BTW, in regard to the name calling and general slagging, if you care to consider the matter in greater detail you will find that about 90% of this puerile behaviour is coming from your side of the border.
I don’t mind it at all because it means the hoor on the other side is rattled but I use it as a means of payback in similar coin.
“The fox always smells his own tail first,” was a saying we had in Nathys and I think it’s an apt one to use here.

The piece i posted was article written in the build up to the Connacht final last summer seeing that you were on the thread & went to Nathys imagined it would have caught your eye.

The views held by Sean Kilbride are the same by the majority of rossies. Ballaghaderreen is Co Roscommon that's not going to change & Ballaghaderreen players playing for Mayo isn't going to change either but like Turlough said a compromise should be reached that allows the people of Ballagh to choose which county they can play for & seeing that you have already agreed with Turlough i think we can move on in that regard.


P.S I wouldn't expect sheepophiles comments to come from a guy the same age as Sean Kilbride young at heart perhaps?

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 11:44:04 AM

Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 11:39:32 AM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 11:13:33 AM
"The fox always smells his own tail first," was a saying we had in Nathys

I'm intrigued. Was this part of the biology curriculum?

No.

This is Mayo we're talking about Hardy.
It was probably part of the maths curriculum.

Teacher: You, Young Naparka - state Pythagoras's Theorem.
Lar: The thistles in me father's field are that big, I think they'll have to be felled, not cut.
Teacher: Good man.

 :D
The rest of the lads used to bully him for being a nerd.

Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 04:36:57 PM
Teacher: You, Young Naparka - state Pythagoras's Theorem.
Lar: The thistles in me father's field are that big, I think they'll have to be felled, not cut.
Teacher: Good man.

I thought you wouldn't let my last answer go without comment. ;)
But its a case you see of only giving information away on a strictly need- to- know basis.
I don't know what's going to come down the N5 next so I'm giving nothing away if I can help it.
Besides, I'm trying to help my good pal, Jinxy, to keep the thread going 'til we make it a hundred pager at the very least .
So, starting to talk (write?) sense at an early stage makes no sense at all  if you follow me.

I do indeed and would expect nothing less than creative codology.

You're way better craic than the Tyrone posters Lar.
They take everything so seriously.

Can Lar and the Meath bucks turn this into a 100 pager on their own?

Mind your own business!  >:(

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 14, 2012, 07:29:42 PM
Can Lar and the Meath bucks turn this into a 100 pager on their own?

BURST THEM, FARRANDEELIN!

FOR CONNACHT!

FOR QUEEN!

MEABH!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_x9WILXcdT_o/SnvWfKVU7ZI/AAAAAAAAArE/k3Birr6S_-E/s400/1224252010013_2.jpg)

Quote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2012, 11:29:41 AM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 14, 2012, 06:11:41 AM
[and always do condisder myself having returned to Mayo (when driving from Dublin) when I come within a few kilometres East of Ballagh.

Seeing as you also think Dungannon is in south Down i take it you skipped the Geography classes  ::)

Typo, Dungannon-South Tyrone Borough Council, are you happy now.

See that knee in the ribs from McManamon there?
And did you ever hear us complaining about it?
And look at Brady attacking a man from behind.
Shameful.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 04:36:57 PM
Teacher: You, Young Naparka - state Pythagoras's Theorem.
Lar: The thistles in me father's field are that big, I think they'll have to be felled, not cut.
Teacher: Good man.

I don't know what's going to come down the N5 next so I'm giving nothing away if I can help it.

Well whatever comes down the N5 as far as Ballaghaderreen it won't be Meath, being in division 3 and all that.

Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2012, 10:14:55 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 14, 2012, 07:29:42 PM
Can Lar and the Meath bucks turn this into a 100 pager on their own?

BURST THEM, FARRANDEELIN!

FOR CONNACHT!

FOR QUEEN!

MEABH!

Nah, none of that Rossie Royalty, do it for the Republic (Connacht) with its Mayo roots.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 14, 2012, 11:20:53 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 04:36:57 PM
Teacher: You, Young Naparka - state Pythagoras's Theorem.
Lar: The thistles in me father's field are that big, I think they'll have to be felled, not cut.
Teacher: Good man.

I don't know what's going to come down the N5 next so I'm giving nothing away if I can help it.

Well whatever comes down the N5 as far as Ballaghaderreen it won't be Meath, being in division 3 and all that.

Sure I already invited Jinxy out to my old bunk bed when the two royalties play each other next year. He's even bringing his old teddy bear with Colm Coyle's face stitched on. Doubly gruesome for ye, I'd guess.

Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2012, 11:39:17 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 14, 2012, 11:20:53 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 04:36:57 PM
Teacher: You, Young Naparka - state Pythagoras's Theorem.
Lar: The thistles in me father's field are that big, I think they'll have to be felled, not cut.
Teacher: Good man.

I don't know what's going to come down the N5 next so I'm giving nothing away if I can help it.

Well whatever comes down the N5 as far as Ballaghaderreen it won't be Meath, being in division 3 and all that.

Sure I already invited Jinxy out to my old bunk bed when the two royalties play each other next year. He's even bringing his old teddy bear with Colm Coyle's face stitched on. Doubly gruesome for ye, I'd guess.

Should be a handy one for the Rossies.

Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2012, 11:39:17 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 14, 2012, 11:20:53 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 14, 2012, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 04:36:57 PM
Teacher: You, Young Naparka - state Pythagoras's Theorem.
Lar: The thistles in me father's field are that big, I think they'll have to be felled, not cut.
Teacher: Good man.

I don't know what's going to come down the N5 next so I'm giving nothing away if I can help it.

Well whatever comes down the N5 as far as Ballaghaderreen it won't be Meath, being in division 3 and all that.

Sure I already invited Jinxy out to my old bunk bed when the two royalties play each other next year. He's even bringing his old teddy bear with Colm Coyle's face stitched on. Doubly gruesome for ye, I'd guess.

When you pass this lad sitting on his front wall it's 3 miles to Kiltoom.
(http://dakiniland.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/deliverance-banjo-boy-e1296452279364.jpg)

Quote from: Jinxy on May 14, 2012, 11:18:45 PM
See that knee in the ribs from McManamon there?
And did you ever hear us complaining about it?
And look at Brady attacking a man from behind.
Shameful.

Lord Jaysus if that's an attack from behind methinks you've mellowed. Also the Meath buck's diaphragm must be pretty low for McManamon to reach his ribs! :P

Well he's doing his best.

He was never noted for his ability to hit the target.

Animal fit though Hardy.
He could knee lads in the ribs all day.

Quote from: ross4life on May 14, 2012, 04:01:29 PM

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I will always consider myself and always do condisder myself having returned to Mayo (when driving from Dublin) when I come within a few kilometres East of Ballagh.

I'd say when you go into a Irish pub in England you probably consider it Mayo also.

Quote
Sean Kilbride is a decent man.
I went to Nathys with him so I can vouch for that.
However, with the greatest respect, Sean Kilbride isn't posting here and even if he was, you can't expect me or anybody else to keep tabs on anything that was written about him or by him last summer.
Besides, what you've quoted is an expression of Sean Kilbride's philosophy, which doesn't necessarily imply that you share his views.
Maybe you could point out to me any instance in this thread or any other on the same subject where any of the "Ballagh is our, give it back at once" brigade admitted that the pro-Mayo faction has any rights at all.
(Anything written since I first brought the matter up in an earlier reply to Turlough doesn't count.)
I think it would be an instance of democracy in action to allow the club members have the ultimate say.
What's wrong with that?
BTW, in regard to the name calling and general slagging, if you care to consider the matter in greater detail you will find that about 90% of this puerile behaviour is coming from your side of the border.
I don't mind it at all because it means the hoor on the other side is rattled but I use it as a means of payback in similar coin.
"The fox always smells his own tail first," was a saying we had in Nathys and I think it's an apt one to use here.

The piece i posted was article written in the build up to the Connacht final last summer seeing that you were on the thread & went to Nathys imagined it would have caught your eye.

The views held by Sean Kilbride are the same by the majority of rossies. Ballaghaderreen is Co Roscommon that's not going to change & Ballaghaderreen players playing for Mayo isn't going to change either but like Turlough said a compromise should be reached that allows the people of Ballagh to choose which county they can play for & seeing that you have already agreed with Turlough i think we can move on in that regard.


P.S I wouldn't expect sheepophiles comments to come from a guy the same age as Sean Kilbride young at heart perhaps?

I imagine that you are a bit younger than most who are posting on this thread and maybe some of what is going on is going over your head.
The main thing is don't let any of this upset you too much. Things are never as bad as they seem.
I'm a bit busy right now but I'll get back on board this evening maybe I will be able to explain a few matters that seem to be causing you bother.
In the meantime watch out as there are two mad Meath buckos on the loose and running wild out around Carracastle or thereabouts.
Talk about wolves among sheep!
Maybe you should carry a pointy wooden stake and a few cloves of garlic with you in case you bump into that gruesome twosome.
Maybe Farrandeelin should back off too.  That poor lad is as innocent as any Mayo forward who ever tried mixing it with a Meath back.
When I come back this evening I'll bring the Parish Priest and a bucket of holy water and with a biteen of luck, he might manage to exorcise the pair of them.

Hello everybody, 8)

So how many checked this post thinking sligonian took the bait by MGHUS on bellaghy.......

There will be no change in anything that could negatively impact Mayo until there is regime change in Ballyhaunis.

Sadly Seanie that is so very true.

Quote from: magpie seanie on May 15, 2012, 03:36:36 PM
There will be no change in anything that could negatively impact Mayo until there is regime change in Ballyhaunis.

Are you suggesting the Rossies need to put boots on the ground?

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 15, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
Hello everybody, 8)

So how many checked this post thinking sligonian took the bait by MGHUS on bellaghy.......

I have. It is only a matter of pages before you do.

Quote from: magpie seanie on May 15, 2012, 03:36:36 PM
There will be no change in anything that could negatively impact Mayo until there is regime change in Ballyhaunis.

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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 15, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
Hello everybody, 8)

So how many checked this post thinking sligonian took the bait by MGHUS on bellaghy.......

I'll take that as a bite  ;)

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 15, 2012, 01:51:36 PM

Quote from: ross4life on May 14, 2012, 04:01:29 PM

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I will always consider myself and always do condisder myself having returned to Mayo (when driving from Dublin) when I come within a few kilometres East of Ballagh.

I'd say when you go into a Irish pub in England you probably consider it Mayo also.

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Sean Kilbride is a decent man.
I went to Nathys with him so I can vouch for that.
However, with the greatest respect, Sean Kilbride isn't posting here and even if he was, you can't expect me or anybody else to keep tabs on anything that was written about him or by him last summer.
Besides, what you've quoted is an expression of Sean Kilbride's philosophy, which doesn't necessarily imply that you share his views.
Maybe you could point out to me any instance in this thread or any other on the same subject where any of the "Ballagh is our, give it back at once" brigade admitted that the pro-Mayo faction has any rights at all.
(Anything written since I first brought the matter up in an earlier reply to Turlough doesn't count.)
I think it would be an instance of democracy in action to allow the club members have the ultimate say.
What's wrong with that?
BTW, in regard to the name calling and general slagging, if you care to consider the matter in greater detail you will find that about 90% of this puerile behaviour is coming from your side of the border.
I don't mind it at all because it means the hoor on the other side is rattled but I use it as a means of payback in similar coin.
"The fox always smells his own tail first," was a saying we had in Nathys and I think it's an apt one to use here.

The piece i posted was article written in the build up to the Connacht final last summer seeing that you were on the thread & went to Nathys imagined it would have caught your eye.

The views held by Sean Kilbride are the same by the majority of rossies. Ballaghaderreen is Co Roscommon that's not going to change & Ballaghaderreen players playing for Mayo isn't going to change either but like Turlough said a compromise should be reached that allows the people of Ballagh to choose which county they can play for & seeing that you have already agreed with Turlough i think we can move on in that regard.


P.S I wouldn't expect sheepophiles comments to come from a guy the same age as Sean Kilbride young at heart perhaps?

I imagine that you are a bit younger than most who are posting on this thread and maybe some of what is going on is going over your head.
The main thing is don't let any of this upset you too much. Things are never as bad as they seem.
I'm a bit busy right now but I'll get back on board this evening maybe I will be able to explain a few matters that seem to be causing you bother.

Unless everyone here are in their 50s,60s then maybe i am younger. Nothing bothering me everything well above board. How about yourself all ok? at your age you could be suffering from a mid life crisis.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2012, 04:42:43 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on May 15, 2012, 03:36:36 PM
There will be no change in anything that could negatively impact Mayo until there is regime change in Ballyhaunis.

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WHO ME?

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Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 15, 2012, 01:51:36 PM

Quote from: ross4life on May 14, 2012, 04:01:29 PM

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I will always consider myself and always do condisder myself having returned to Mayo (when driving from Dublin) when I come within a few kilometres East of Ballagh.

I'd say when you go into a Irish pub in England you probably consider it Mayo also.

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Sean Kilbride is a decent man.
I went to Nathys with him so I can vouch for that.
However, with the greatest respect, Sean Kilbride isn't posting here and even if he was, you can't expect me or anybody else to keep tabs on anything that was written about him or by him last summer.
Besides, what you've quoted is an expression of Sean Kilbride's philosophy, which doesn't necessarily imply that you share his views.
Maybe you could point out to me any instance in this thread or any other on the same subject where any of the "Ballagh is our, give it back at once" brigade admitted that the pro-Mayo faction has any rights at all.
(Anything written since I first brought the matter up in an earlier reply to Turlough doesn't count.)
I think it would be an instance of democracy in action to allow the club members have the ultimate say.
What's wrong with that?
BTW, in regard to the name calling and general slagging, if you care to consider the matter in greater detail you will find that about 90% of this puerile behaviour is coming from your side of the border.
I don't mind it at all because it means the hoor on the other side is rattled but I use it as a means of payback in similar coin.
"The fox always smells his own tail first," was a saying we had in Nathys and I think it's an apt one to use here.

The piece i posted was article written in the build up to the Connacht final last summer seeing that you were on the thread & went to Nathys imagined it would have caught your eye.

The views held by Sean Kilbride are the same by the majority of rossies. Ballaghaderreen is Co Roscommon that's not going to change & Ballaghaderreen players playing for Mayo isn't going to change either but like Turlough said a compromise should be reached that allows the people of Ballagh to choose which county they can play for & seeing that you have already agreed with Turlough i think we can move on in that regard.


P.S I wouldn't expect sheepophiles comments to come from a guy the same age as Sean Kilbride young at heart perhaps?

I imagine that you are a bit younger than most who are posting on this thread and maybe some of what is going on is going over your head.
The main thing is don't let any of this upset you too much. Things are never as bad as they seem.
I'm a bit busy right now but I'll get back on board this evening maybe I will be able to explain a few matters that seem to be causing you bother.
In the meantime watch out as there are two mad Meath buckos on the loose and running wild out around Carracastle or thereabouts.
Talk about wolves among sheep!
Maybe you should carry a pointy wooden stake and a few cloves of garlic with you in case you bump into that gruesome twosome.
Maybe Farrandeelin should back off too.  That poor lad is as innocent as any Mayo forward who ever tried mixing it with a Meath back.
When I come back this evening I'll bring the Parish Priest and a bucket of holy water and with a biteen of luck, he might manage to exorcise the pair of them.

Great stuff Lar, you tell 'em !

Speaking of people in frocks, the Bishop of Achonry has been stum on this whole topic. Sitting right there in town, overlooking the mess from his newly refurbished bell tower. Surely this new, go-getting bishop can solve this issue? Or has he sided with the enemy?  >:(

Quote from: Syferus on May 15, 2012, 07:24:51 PM
Speaking of people in frocks, the Bishop of Achonry has been stum on this whole topic. Sitting right there in town, overlooking the mess from his newly refurbished bell tower. Surely this new, go-getting bishop can solve this issue? Or has he sided with the enemy?  >:(

Well he can sod off for a start. It's the Gaelic Athletic Association not the Roman Catholic Church.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 15, 2012, 10:10:24 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 15, 2012, 07:24:51 PM
Speaking of people in frocks, the Bishop of Achonry has been stum on this whole topic. Sitting right there in town, overlooking the mess from his newly refurbished bell tower. Surely this new, go-getting bishop can solve this issue? Or has he sided with the enemy?  >:(

Well he can sod off for a start. It's the Gaelic Athletic Association not the Roman Catholic Church.

That never stopped them before  ;)

A great thread and a fascinating issue. As an outsider, it would appear that the only logical solution would be to allow Ballaghdeeren players to play for either Mayo or Roscommon but logic is so rarely applied to disagreements of such a wonderfully "Irish" nature.

Ye're all mad, Ballaghaderreen is a hole, ye should be fighting to get rid of it.

Westmeath would be better off if you joined your soulmates in Connacht too.
I've always said you lack the necessary sophistication to make it in this province.
Look at the ambition and drive of Longford.
Now THERE'S a Leinster team.

Sure no one has any interest in Connacht. Just look at Sligo a couple of years ago, beat Galway and Mayo and then threw the final. The place is an embarrassment.

Uh oh.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 16, 2012, 11:43:53 AM
Sure no one has any interest in Connacht. Just look at Sligo a couple of years ago, beat Galway and Mayo and then threw the final. The place is an embarrassment.

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You know you're in trouble when even Westmeath folk look down their nose at you.

Quote from: Jinxy on May 16, 2012, 12:53:33 PM
You know you're in trouble when even Westmeath folk look down their nose at you.

Well, at least we have more in common with ye.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 16, 2012, 11:30:30 AM
Ye're all mad, Ballaghaderreen is a hole, ye should be fighting to get rid of it.

*sigh*

Don't I know only too well!
After all, I went to school in that bleedy place.
The place is such a kip that even the seagulls bring packed lunches with them when they  call around.
We've been trying to get their effiin' GAA club to take the hint for well over a hundred years now and they still refuse to leave.
I suppose in a way you can't blame the club but at times I do be wishing the whole sodden lot of them would clear off to Tyrone or somewhere like that where they could fight all day and no one would pass a blind bit of notice.

Quote from: ross4life on May 15, 2012, 05:39:44 PM

Unless everyone here are in their 50s,60s then maybe i am younger. Nothing bothering me everything well above board. How about yourself all ok? at your age you could be suffering from a mid life crisis.

As a contemporary of Sean Kilbride's, I think you should realise my midlife crisis is well and truly in the aimsir caite by now. In other words, my get up and go got up and went a long time ago.
By the way, nothing personal or derogatory meant in my reference to your age. I was just curious to learn more about your undoubted respect for Sean Kilbride.

Sean without doubt is a fine role model for younger Rossies but I'm intrigued that you should have  expected  me to set as much store by this article as you undoubtedly do.
Better still, you feel I should recall it in detail almost a year later.
I have a good deal of time for the guy but I stop short of hero worship!

Furthermore, you say that the majority of Rossies share his views and I say that you must be moving in very select circles if you believe that.
I have seldom come across a Roscommon supporter who would settle for less than a complete takeover of the club. I would imagine that every other Mayo poster would have the same thing to say.
I mentioned before that Turlough was the first Rossie on this board to suggest a sensible compromise. (In fairness to Sysferus, I admit that he had already done so but I had to dig deep down to find it.
His first sentence; "Our county council is kind enough to fund Ballagh GAA. How sweet of them," took my eye off the ball.)

As a matter of interest, who do you think should fund Ballagh GAA club if not the Roscommon county council?
The great majority of the club's members are Roscommon people; they pay their taxes and raise their kids and generally go about their business as denizens of County Roscommon.
The club is engaged in voluntary community work and meets the essential qualifications needed to secure grant aid from its county council. Ballagh is as much entitled to this aid as any other club in the county.

I feel most of you Rossies don't understand the nature of your problem.

For starters, Mayo took nothing from you and owes you sweet Fanny Adams.

Don't bother bleating and baaing for sympathy because you feel the nasty Connacht Council isn't being nice to you. (Maybe it isn't but that is beside the point.)
The Roscommon CB and all others who are not members of Ballagh GAA club can do nothing either.

It is up to the members to decide the status of their club either now or at any time in the future.
I certainly don't have a say in the matter of deciding where this club should play its games and  I suspect neither do you.
I am amazed that although five generations on from the time the county boundaries changed, the majority of Ballagh club members still want to maintain the link with Mayo.

They are not breaking any laws of God or the GAA by doing so and are entitled to carry on as they are until they should decide to do otherwise. Why a dispensation such as Kilbride mentions hasn't been sought or granted is a mystery to me.

I know a move by Roscommon CB to have the club transferred was blocked by the Connacht CB in 1962 and Turlough mentions the failed attempt in 19987 top have a second club established in the area but no one seems to have made any attempt to go about securing dispensations.

It's a Rossie problem and I wish you would all go and f**k figure out a solution to a mess of your own making.

I see you are still upset at being called nasty names by them horrid Mayo folks but you should be thankful we stop short of what I've heard you called. Like I said to you earlier, I don't think anyone in Mayo started this.
Tell you what..
You get on to Rossfan and tell him to behave himself and try making a bit of sense for a change.
If you do, I promise I won't call that pesky sheep shagger a sheepophile any more.
Howzat for an offer? ;D

It's entirely Ballagh's problem, whatever side you're on. The club hemorrhages players because of mentally deficient politics and small-mindedness. Are the Mayo people afraid that it'd mean players would pull a reverse Sean Kilbride and lead to Mayo people declaring for Roscommon if they come calling? It would also highlight how manufactured the divide in the town really is. There's no other reason not to let players chose themselves.

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Sean without doubt is a fine role model for younger Rossies but I'm intrigued that you should have  expected  me to set as much store by this article as you undoubtedly do.
Better still, you feel I should recall it in detail almost a year later.
I have a good deal of time for the guy but I stop short of hero worship!

I'm not a younger rossie & i doubt if many of the younger rossies know much about the man that got to finally play for his county. I don't think i have ever hero worshiped a player, are you missing the point again surely not?

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Furthermore, you say that the majority of Rossies share his views and I say that you must be moving in very select circles if you believe that.

The majority of rossies feel players should have the choice to choose why is that hard to believe?

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I mentioned before that Turlough was the first Rossie on this board to suggest a sensible compromise. (In fairness to Sysferus, I admit that he had already done so but I had to dig deep down to find it.
His first sentence; "Our county council is kind enough to fund Ballagh GAA. How sweet of them," took my eye off the ball.)

As a matter of interest, who do you think should fund Ballagh GAA club if not the Roscommon county council?

Who's that question for? Ballagh is a Mayo club that play in the Mayo championship maybe the Roscommon county council should fund more of your clubs.

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I feel most of you Rossies don't understand the nature of your problem.

Pot,kettle,black.

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For starters, Mayo took nothing from you and owes you sweet Fanny Adams.

We are funding one of your clubs if you funded one of our clubs you would expect something back.

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I see you are still upset at being called nasty names by them horrid Mayo folks but you should be thankful we stop short of what I've heard you called. Like I said to you earlier, I don't think anyone in Mayo started this.

Why would you think i'm upset? i thought the whole fascination with sheep was tiresome same way i find the rhubarbs for sam talk tiresome.


Now Lar i could debate some more but your like the auld tipsy lad in the corner of the bar, better to nod than to argue.

Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
It's entirely Ballagh's problem, whatever side you're on. The club hemorrhages players because of mentally deficient politics and small-mindedness. Are the Mayo people afraid that it'd mean players would pull a reverse Sean Kilbride and lead to Mayo people declaring for Roscommon if they come calling? It would also highlight how manufactured the divide in the town really is. There's no other reason not to let players chose themselves.

That's more or less what I've been saying all along. I've often wondered if there is some sort of a split in the town that goes back to the days of Home Rule or at least the War of Independence.
Maybe you or Turlough know something here.
I have heard that the Dillon family backed John Redmond after the HR party split over the Kitty O'Shea affair while the Fenians were pretty well-organised in Ballagh and in East Mayo generally.
I imagine the Fenians/ Nationalists would have been pro-Parnell while those who backed the landlord would have provided the opposition.
The split may not have been quite that clearcut and there may have been other factors involved but the town is certainly factionalised even to this day.
It's to the detriment of the area in general that there is such a big divide in the GAA club. But if there is ever going to be a coming together of interests, the desire for agreement must come from within the club.
If there is a split and it goes back to Parnell's day, the odds of it being settled any time soon appear to be remote. It's now over 112 years since the county boundaries changed and the row appears to be simmering away.
I don't think many Mayo people would really object to a dispensation allowing Ballagh natives declare for their county. As long as a majority of the membership want to maintain the link with Mayo, they should be allowed to do so but in the end it is going to be up to the club's own members to sort their problems out.

Lar, wouldn't every town and village be split if we were to take the Parnellite affair into account?

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 13, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
Lads, sorry to butt in here, but can someone clarify for me. A player who plays for Ballaghadereen is NOT allowed to declare for Roscommon..is that the case?

There is a similar type scenario down here on the Kerry/Cork border in Ballydesmond (home club of Donnacha O'Connor amongst others). Ballydesmond, parrish is actually split by the border...most of is in Cork, but part of it is in Kerry. Now I'm not sure what arrangement the GAA have in place for this, but in a Munster Junior c/ship game a few years back there were players from Ballydesmond GAA club on opposing sides when Kerry played Cork! Niall Fleming, who plays with Ballydesmond and Duhallow in the Cork senior c/ship is from the Kerry side and declared for us..decent player too.
Now, given that similar situation, I cannot understand how a player with Ballaghadereen (which is in Roscommon after all) cannot be allowed to declare for Ros. Its a very strange scenario.

Actually if I remember that final correctly, the Ballydesmond man was marked by another Ballydesmond man?

Moneygall in Offaly was treacherously given to Tipperary by some Bishop back in the 1800s, and we took Riverstown into Offaly GAA as part of Carrig & Riverstown. Ger Oakley, therefore, is from County Tipperary, playing in the Offaly Championship with an Offaly Club. Likewise the Monegall lads are living in Offaly, but playing for and in Tipperary.

As far as I know, you cannot declare for your political county.

is Ballaghaderreen the Nagorno-Karabakh of Connacht?

Anyhow I think Armagh should recover those lands than ended up in Louth, everything from Slab Murphy's house to Shanmullagh and the Down invaders should be driven out of Ballybot and points south and west.

Quote from: armaghniac on May 17, 2012, 06:00:30 PM
is Ballaghaderreen the Nagorno-Karabakh of Connacht?

Anyhow I think Armagh should recover those lands than ended up in Louth, everything from Slab Murphy's house to Shanmullagh and the Down invaders should be driven out of Ballybot and points south and west.

Lets not get the Kerry lads involved in this.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 16, 2012, 11:15:19 PM
Lar, wouldn't every town and village be split if we were to take the Parnellite affair into account?

The short answer is that they would if they had nothing better to do with their time.
I know families that don't get along together because of their great-grandfathers took opposing sides in the Civil War.
The Parnell split was only a single generation before that.
BTW, I'm not saying that the row in Ballagh actually stems from this split but the indications are that it did.

Rows like that can last for generations even when the cause of the original conflict has long been forgotten.
Parnell spoke at a meeting in Ballagh in 1891, some months before he died.
I was told that well over 3,000 attended and there was an almighty riot as those for and against him laid into each other.
Everyone had a ball by all accounts.
By now, John Dillon was the leader of the group of Irish MPs who opposed Parnell and I know Parnell had great support throughout East Mayo so I imagine that the GAA split could have arisen because of political differences.

QuoteMoneygall in Offaly was treacherously given to Tipperary by some Bishop back in the 1800s,

So Obama is actually  a Tipperary man?

Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2012, 01:50:28 AM
Our county council is kind enough to fund Ballagh GAA. How sweet of them. I'm going to ask the next councillor I meet why the overall issue of Ballagh has been more forcefully contested by them. I've lived here all my life and I can barely remember hearing a peep from local politicians. Now that Ballagh is paired with Castlerea as one electoral area maybe a Castlerea councillor on the boil will be opportunistic enough to push this into the agenda.

The town itself most certainly has alot of Roscommon people, with the players who want to have the chance of palying for their county playing for the nearest Roscommon club. The exact split is murky because alot of people from outside the town itself identify themselves as part of the community and they come with perhaps even more baggage than the residents. Even Sligo is within throwing distance, there was always a few Sligoians in Nathy's in every year in my school days. The main street looked like it was decked out by a colour blind event organiser before the 2006 AI finals. It's the place you want to be if you want some championship banter with your drink, that's for sure.

This whole issue isn't even as simple as one family being on one side or the other. As an example, two of Andy Moran's cousins, Seanie McDermott, the Roscommon inter-county corner-back, and Derek Moran play for Western Gaels, a Roscommon club. Even Andy's father is a Roscommon man. It's got to the point now that people actively choose sides as children - do I support my parents' county or do I play with all my school friends at the local club? The whole situation is as complete a mess as you're likely to ever find.

I think the end-game is inevitable and will be that Ballagh GAA will either get an exception to allow its players to play for Roscommon or be forced to play in Roscommon as a club. It may even take decades more, but Ballagh GAA's make-up is becoming less and less hard-line Mayo and more of a mixture of both counties. The idea of a separate club was tried but it didn't take hold and Mayo people should be thanking their lucky stars for that because if one became established Ballagh's Mayo heritage would be washed away in a generation. The writing has been on the wall from the moment Ballagh moved to Roscommon, no matter what the emotional position of Mayo people.

In the interests of accuracy, however belated, Seanie McDermott is a first cousin of Derek Moran's, Derek Moran is a first cousin of Andy Moran, but Seanie is not a cousin of Andy.

God is trying to move the Mayo border before we kick off the championship!

"Earthquake off coast of Mayo
An earthquake of magnitude 4 struck 60km off the Mayo coast at a depth of 3km shortly before 9 o'clock this morning. A spokesperson for the British Geological Survey (BGS), which monitors seismic activity in the UK and Ireland, said it was a "rare and unusual" event in this area, but added that there are usually about 200 small earthquakes around Ireland every year. Tremors were felt in counties Mayo, Sligo and Galway.

The epicentre was located on a fault system that drops the Slyne-Rockall basins down to the west off the Irish shelf. These faults have had a long geological history and are related to the continuing opening of the Atlantic ocean. Seismicity of this magnitude has not been recorded previously along the fault system in this area but it is now clear that it is still geologically active.



Professor Chris Bean, Director of UCD Earth Institute said "As we know, we regularly get small earthquakes on the West coast of Ireland, caused by plate tectonic stresses from distant plate boundaries. However from time to time the size of these natural events can surprise us, like the Magnitude 4 event this morning about 60 km off the Mayo coast".

Quote from: Ard-Rí on May 18, 2012, 01:50:06 PM

QuoteMoneygall in Offaly was treacherously given to Tipperary by some Bishop back in the 1800s,

So Obama is actually  a Tipperary man?

No. Moneygall GAA was given to Tipperary GAA back then, the civic county is and was Offaly.

Quote from: highorlow on June 06, 2012, 02:54:03 PM
God is trying to move the Mayo border before we kick off the championship!

"Earthquake off coast of Mayo
An earthquake of magnitude 4 struck 60km off the Mayo coast at a depth of 3km shortly before 9 o'clock this morning. A spokesperson for the British Geological Survey (BGS), which monitors seismic activity in the UK and Ireland, said it was a "rare and unusual" event in this area, but added that there are usually about 200 small earthquakes around Ireland every year. Tremors were felt in counties Mayo, Sligo and Galway.

The epicentre was located on a fault system that drops the Slyne-Rockall basins down to the west off the Irish shelf. These faults have had a long geological history and are related to the continuing opening of the Atlantic ocean. Seismicity of this magnitude has not been recorded previously along the fault system in this area but it is now clear that it is still geologically active.



Professor Chris Bean, Director of UCD Earth Institute said "As we know, we regularly get small earthquakes on the West coast of Ireland, caused by plate tectonic stresses from distant plate boundaries. However from time to time the size of these natural events can surprise us, like the Magnitude 4 event this morning about 60 km off the Mayo coast".

That's it.

Mayo to win the All-Ireland.

Where is Mayo Mick

The Earth will shake far more than 4 on the Richter Scale when may do win Sam again.

I thought the King (a Mayoman, who else?) had left his Massy running outside the window.

Hopefully the next quake will see the whole fcukin place ( the Civic County of Mayo ) dissapear forever under the waves.
Then the Ballaghs will have to join their own County.

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Hopefully the next quake will see the whole fcukin place ( the Civic County of Mayo ) dissapear forever under the waves.
Then the Ballaghs will have to join their own County.

The Cliffs of Kilmovee..  ;)

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Hopefully the next quake will see the whole fcukin place ( the Civic County of Mayo ) dissapear forever under the waves.
Then the Ballaghs will have to join their own County.

Join Roscommon or play in the Mayo underwater football championship.
I know which option I'd choose.

Quote from: Jinxy on June 07, 2012, 12:49:55 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Hopefully the next quake will see the whole fcukin place ( the Civic County of Mayo ) dissapear forever under the waves.
Then the Ballaghs will have to join their own County.

Join Roscommon or play in the Mayo underwater football championship.
I know which option I'd choose.

Mayo footballers would choke underwater.

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Hopefully the next quake will see the whole fcukin place ( the Civic County of Mayo ) dissapear forever under the waves.
Then the Ballaghs will have to join their own County.

Unlike in Roscommon where a small bit of pish-drizzle every year and whole feckn county ends 20 metres under the Shannon  ;D

Quote from: Jinxy on June 07, 2012, 12:49:55 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Hopefully the next quake will see the whole fcukin place ( the Civic County of Mayo ) dissapear forever under the waves.
Then the Ballaghs will have to join their own County.

Join Roscommon or play in the Mayo underwater football championship.
I know which option I'd choose.

Mayo would still bate Roscommon by 10 points if they had to play underwater. Sure the Rossies would be too busy crying over the ruined sheep fleeces.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 07, 2012, 01:04:49 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on June 07, 2012, 12:49:55 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Hopefully the next quake will see the whole fcukin place ( the Civic County of Mayo ) dissapear forever under the waves.
Then the Ballaghs will have to join their own County.

Join Roscommon or play in the Mayo underwater football championship.
I know which option I'd choose.

Mayo footballers would choke underwater.

James 'Gills' wouldn't!

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Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 07, 2012, 01:04:49 AM

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Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Hopefully the next quake will see the whole fcukin place ( the Civic County of Mayo ) dissapear forever under the waves.
Then the Ballaghs will have to join their own County.

Join Roscommon or play in the Mayo underwater football championship.
I know which option I'd choose.

Mayo footballers would choke underwater.

James 'Gills' wouldn't!

;D

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Hopefully the next quake will see the whole fcukin place ( the Civic County of Mayo ) dissapear forever under the waves.
Then the Ballaghs will have to join their own County.

Will they f**k!!
The whole lot will do a Seanie Johnston and  they all will head off to Straffan! ;D

And play for some club as far from Straffan as possible ... Athy most likely.

Rosfan wanted some hype..

QuoteBallaghaderreen border legacy throws up unique provincial final


As far as I know, Sunday will be the first time in history that two clubs from the same county meet in a provincial club football final. This will happen when Mayo champions Ballaghaderreen confront defending provincial kingpins St Brigid's Kiltoom in the Connacht final.

The explanation for this unusual happening is that the parish of Ballaghaderreen is, in fact, located in Roscommon for local government purposes.

The origin of this curious situation dates back to 1888. The town was then officially part of Mayo but, as a result of the influence of an English landlord, who stood to benefit financially, it was 'legally' transferred to county Roscommon.

However, two years earlier Ballaghaderreen GAA club had been formed, and being solid GAA traditionalists already, they decided they were not to going to change their allegiance to that crowd from Roscommon but were going to remain in what they still considered to be the beautiful county of Mayo.

As time passed by, for 124 years in fact, the club has remained staunchly Mayo.

Every now and then there is an outburst of debate about the matter, but thankfully it is usually carried out in a fairly non-confrontational manner.

That is only what I have been told and it may well be that there are more skirmishes or divided opinions on special occasions such as when the two counties meet in a Connacht final, and Roscommon people feel less than happy when they see their county's second largest town covered in red and green.

On these occasions, the fervour of Ballaghaderreen people for the Mayo colours probably exceeds that of any town actually in Mayo.

Over the years there have been odd attempts to, as Roscommon GAA people would claim, rectify this over-a-century-long hijacking of part of their county.

And whenever the Ballaghaderreen club have county players for Mayo, as is the case right now, then the level of debate can be sure to escalate.

In the early 1990s a motion was put to the Connacht Council to change the club into the Roscommon fold. Roscommon and Sligo were in favour but Mayo, Leitrim and Galway were against.

feelings

As far as most people are concerned, that is the end of the story, but the strong feelings still persist.

Writing in a recent Connacht final programme, former Mayo and Ballaghaderreen player Sean Kilbride – who later transferred to play with Roscommon, won Connacht medals with that county in 1978/79 and whose sons Senan and Ian will play for St Brigid's against Ballaghaderreen on Sunday – wrote: "For those like myself who grew up in a Roscommon household with a Roscommon sense of identity, they should be allowed to choose, especially since it is in their own county.

"That would be the right thing to do, because there is a resentment in Roscommon that the second biggest town in the county is lost to it in GAA terms, even though the town is administered by Roscommon and in every way is a Roscommon town."

So there is still enough sentiment around the subject to stir debate at least. But either way, a club from the geographical county of Roscommon will be Connacht champions on Sunday and I am sure there will be an excellent sporting attitude all round at the final, so eagerly awaited throughout Connacht and beyond.

Thankfully, that is the GAA way when these geographical peculiarities arise.

There are other examples of border divisions like this in other parts of Ireland but nothing as substantial as the one in Ballaghaderreen.

- Eugene McGee

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-ballaghaderreen-border-legacy-throws-up-unique-provincial-final-3297242.html

Syphilus, where

Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2012, 01:50:28 AM
Our county council is kind enough to fund Ballagh GAA. How sweet of them. I'm going to ask the next councillor I meet why the overall issue of Ballagh has been more forcefully contested by them. I've lived here all my life and I can barely remember hearing a peep from local politicians. Now that Ballagh is paired with Castlerea as one electoral area maybe a Castlerea councillor on the boil will be opportunistic enough to push this into the agenda.

The town itself most certainly has alot of Roscommon people, with the players who want to have the chance of palying for their county playing for the nearest Roscommon club. The exact split is murky because alot of people from outside the town itself identify themselves as part of the community and they come with perhaps even more baggage than the residents. Even Sligo is within throwing distance, there was always a few Sligoians in Nathy's in every year in my school days. The main street looked like it was decked out by a colour blind event organiser before the 2006 AI finals. It's the place you want to be if you want some championship banter with your drink, that's for sure.

This whole issue isn't even as simple as one family being on one side or the other. As an example, two of Andy Moran's cousins, Seanie McDermott, the Roscommon inter-county corner-back, and Derek Moran play for Western Gaels, a Roscommon club. Even Andy's father is a Roscommon man. It's got to the point now that people actively choose sides as children - do I support my parents' county or do I play with all my school friends at the local club? The whole situation is as complete a mess as you're likely to ever find.

I think the end-game is inevitable and will be that Ballagh GAA will either get an exception to allow its players to play for Roscommon or be forced to play in Roscommon as a club. It may even take decades more, but Ballagh GAA's make-up is becoming less and less hard-line Mayo and more of a mixture of both counties. The idea of a separate club was tried but it didn't take hold and Mayo people should be thanking their lucky stars for that because if one became established Ballagh's Mayo heritage would be washed away in a generation. The writing has been on the wall from the moment Ballagh moved to Roscommon, no matter what the emotional position of Mayo people.

Where abouts are you from ? Maybe like like The Cake a Castlerea head !!

Quote from: spuds on April 02, 2013, 01:13:04 AM
Syphilus, where

Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2012, 01:50:28 AM
Our county council is kind enough to fund Ballagh GAA. How sweet of them. I'm going to ask the next councillor I meet why the overall issue of Ballagh has been more forcefully contested by them. I've lived here all my life and I can barely remember hearing a peep from local politicians. Now that Ballagh is paired with Castlerea as one electoral area maybe a Castlerea councillor on the boil will be opportunistic enough to push this into the agenda.

The town itself most certainly has alot of Roscommon people, with the players who want to have the chance of palying for their county playing for the nearest Roscommon club. The exact split is murky because alot of people from outside the town itself identify themselves as part of the community and they come with perhaps even more baggage than the residents. Even Sligo is within throwing distance, there was always a few Sligoians in Nathy's in every year in my school days. The main street looked like it was decked out by a colour blind event organiser before the 2006 AI finals. It's the place you want to be if you want some championship banter with your drink, that's for sure.

This whole issue isn't even as simple as one family being on one side or the other. As an example, two of Andy Moran's cousins, Seanie McDermott, the Roscommon inter-county corner-back, and Derek Moran play for Western Gaels, a Roscommon club. Even Andy's father is a Roscommon man. It's got to the point now that people actively choose sides as children - do I support my parents' county or do I play with all my school friends at the local club? The whole situation is as complete a mess as you're likely to ever find.

I think the end-game is inevitable and will be that Ballagh GAA will either get an exception to allow its players to play for Roscommon or be forced to play in Roscommon as a club. It may even take decades more, but Ballagh GAA's make-up is becoming less and less hard-line Mayo and more of a mixture of both counties. The idea of a separate club was tried but it didn't take hold and Mayo people should be thanking their lucky stars for that because if one became established Ballagh's Mayo heritage would be washed away in a generation. The writing has been on the wall from the moment Ballagh moved to Roscommon, no matter what the emotional position of Mayo people.

Where abouts are you from ? Maybe like like The Cake a Castlerea head !!

The simple solution is to move Ballagh back to mother Mayo.

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Quote from: spuds on April 02, 2013, 01:13:04 AM
Syphilus, where

Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2012, 01:50:28 AM
Our county council is kind enough to fund Ballagh GAA. How sweet of them. I'm going to ask the next councillor I meet why the overall issue of Ballagh has been more forcefully contested by them. I've lived here all my life and I can barely remember hearing a peep from local politicians. Now that Ballagh is paired with Castlerea as one electoral area maybe a Castlerea councillor on the boil will be opportunistic enough to push this into the agenda.

The town itself most certainly has alot of Roscommon people, with the players who want to have the chance of palying for their county playing for the nearest Roscommon club. The exact split is murky because alot of people from outside the town itself identify themselves as part of the community and they come with perhaps even more baggage than the residents. Even Sligo is within throwing distance, there was always a few Sligoians in Nathy's in every year in my school days. The main street looked like it was decked out by a colour blind event organiser before the 2006 AI finals. It's the place you want to be if you want some championship banter with your drink, that's for sure.

This whole issue isn't even as simple as one family being on one side or the other. As an example, two of Andy Moran's cousins, Seanie McDermott, the Roscommon inter-county corner-back, and Derek Moran play for Western Gaels, a Roscommon club. Even Andy's father is a Roscommon man. It's got to the point now that people actively choose sides as children - do I support my parents' county or do I play with all my school friends at the local club? The whole situation is as complete a mess as you're likely to ever find.

I think the end-game is inevitable and will be that Ballagh GAA will either get an exception to allow its players to play for Roscommon or be forced to play in Roscommon as a club. It may even take decades more, but Ballagh GAA's make-up is becoming less and less hard-line Mayo and more of a mixture of both counties. The idea of a separate club was tried but it didn't take hold and Mayo people should be thanking their lucky stars for that because if one became established Ballagh's Mayo heritage would be washed away in a generation. The writing has been on the wall from the moment Ballagh moved to Roscommon, no matter what the emotional position of Mayo people.

Where abouts are you from ? Maybe like like The Cake a Castlerea head !!

The simple solution is to move Ballagh back to mother Mayo.

And move Ardnaree and Ballina up to the Moy back to Sligo, like for like

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 02, 2013, 01:07:26 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 02, 2013, 02:19:36 AM

Quote from: spuds on April 02, 2013, 01:13:04 AM
Syphilus, where

Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2012, 01:50:28 AM
Our county council is kind enough to fund Ballagh GAA. How sweet of them. I'm going to ask the next councillor I meet why the overall issue of Ballagh has been more forcefully contested by them. I've lived here all my life and I can barely remember hearing a peep from local politicians. Now that Ballagh is paired with Castlerea as one electoral area maybe a Castlerea councillor on the boil will be opportunistic enough to push this into the agenda.

The town itself most certainly has alot of Roscommon people, with the players who want to have the chance of palying for their county playing for the nearest Roscommon club. The exact split is murky because alot of people from outside the town itself identify themselves as part of the community and they come with perhaps even more baggage than the residents. Even Sligo is within throwing distance, there was always a few Sligoians in Nathy's in every year in my school days. The main street looked like it was decked out by a colour blind event organiser before the 2006 AI finals. It's the place you want to be if you want some championship banter with your drink, that's for sure.

This whole issue isn't even as simple as one family being on one side or the other. As an example, two of Andy Moran's cousins, Seanie McDermott, the Roscommon inter-county corner-back, and Derek Moran play for Western Gaels, a Roscommon club. Even Andy's father is a Roscommon man. It's got to the point now that people actively choose sides as children - do I support my parents' county or do I play with all my school friends at the local club? The whole situation is as complete a mess as you're likely to ever find.

I think the end-game is inevitable and will be that Ballagh GAA will either get an exception to allow its players to play for Roscommon or be forced to play in Roscommon as a club. It may even take decades more, but Ballagh GAA's make-up is becoming less and less hard-line Mayo and more of a mixture of both counties. The idea of a separate club was tried but it didn't take hold and Mayo people should be thanking their lucky stars for that because if one became established Ballagh's Mayo heritage would be washed away in a generation. The writing has been on the wall from the moment Ballagh moved to Roscommon, no matter what the emotional position of Mayo people.

Where abouts are you from ? Maybe like like The Cake a Castlerea head !!

The simple solution is to move Ballagh back to mother Mayo.

And move Ardnaree and Ballina up to the Moy back to Sligo, like for like

What is needed is referendi along the borders, Ardnaree/North Ballina to join rejoin Sligo or stay in Mayo, Ballaghaderreen to rejoin Mayo or stay in Roscommon, the land between Tourmakeady and Galway border to rejoin Galway or stay in Mayo, Inishbofin and Inishshark to rejoin Mayo or stay in Galway. I am 100% sure of 100% victory for the Mayo cause across the board. Areas that left Mayo stay loyal to Mayo, areas that joined Mayo become Mayo to the core.

Theres something about Mayo.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 02, 2013, 02:03:20 PM
Theres something about Mayo.

There sure is.... you for a start  :P
And it doesn't get any better after that.. ;D ;D

Quote from: Rossfan on April 02, 2013, 02:21:29 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 02, 2013, 02:03:20 PM
Theres something about Mayo.

There sure is.... you for a start  :P
And it doesn't get any better after that.. ;D ;D

I'll take that as a compliment  ;)

You do know what I say above about all those areas is correct, it would be a clear win for the Mayo in all those cases.

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 02, 2013, 01:07:26 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 02, 2013, 02:19:36 AM

Quote from: spuds on April 02, 2013, 01:13:04 AM
Syphilus, where

Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2012, 01:50:28 AM
Our county council is kind enough to fund Ballagh GAA. How sweet of them. I'm going to ask the next councillor I meet why the overall issue of Ballagh has been more forcefully contested by them. I've lived here all my life and I can barely remember hearing a peep from local politicians. Now that Ballagh is paired with Castlerea as one electoral area maybe a Castlerea councillor on the boil will be opportunistic enough to push this into the agenda.

The town itself most certainly has alot of Roscommon people, with the players who want to have the chance of palying for their county playing for the nearest Roscommon club. The exact split is murky because alot of people from outside the town itself identify themselves as part of the community and they come with perhaps even more baggage than the residents. Even Sligo is within throwing distance, there was always a few Sligoians in Nathy's in every year in my school days. The main street looked like it was decked out by a colour blind event organiser before the 2006 AI finals. It's the place you want to be if you want some championship banter with your drink, that's for sure.

This whole issue isn't even as simple as one family being on one side or the other. As an example, two of Andy Moran's cousins, Seanie McDermott, the Roscommon inter-county corner-back, and Derek Moran play for Western Gaels, a Roscommon club. Even Andy's father is a Roscommon man. It's got to the point now that people actively choose sides as children - do I support my parents' county or do I play with all my school friends at the local club? The whole situation is as complete a mess as you're likely to ever find.

I think the end-game is inevitable and will be that Ballagh GAA will either get an exception to allow its players to play for Roscommon or be forced to play in Roscommon as a club. It may even take decades more, but Ballagh GAA's make-up is becoming less and less hard-line Mayo and more of a mixture of both counties. The idea of a separate club was tried but it didn't take hold and Mayo people should be thanking their lucky stars for that because if one became established Ballagh's Mayo heritage would be washed away in a generation. The writing has been on the wall from the moment Ballagh moved to Roscommon, no matter what the emotional position of Mayo people.

Where abouts are you from ? Maybe like like The Cake a Castlerea head !!

The simple solution is to move Ballagh back to mother Mayo.

And move Ardnaree and Ballina up to the Moy back to Sligo, like for like

Hold on now, supporting the Rovers is enough for me. :P

Its def silly season again wahoo-was wonderin
when this thread would re-appear!

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 02, 2013, 02:03:20 PM
Theres something about Mayo.

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Just had a re-read of the whole thread. It was good craic all the same.

I was proud of all the Ballagh GAA lads who took down their white flags after the Roscommon final but left up Brigids' traditional colours. T'was very big of them.

I do love going to Duffy's Super Valu for the old Vodka and bread - half the store's decorations are Ros and half are Mayo. Walking around town in a Ros or Mayo jersey is like wandering around the Falls Road in a Celtic or Rangers top.

Quote from: Syferus on April 02, 2013, 10:00:57 PM
I was proud of all the Ballagh GAA lads who took down their white flags after the Roscommon final but left up Brigids' traditional colours. T'was very big of them.

I do love going to Duffy's Super Valu for the old Vodka and bread - half the store's decorations are Ros and half are Mayo. Walking around town in a Ros or Mayo jersey is like wandering around the Falls Road in a Celtic or Rangers top.

Does that make Sligonian's crowd the Berwick Rangers or Gretna of the occupied territories?

The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

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Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

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Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 10:07:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

In the minds of addled Rhubarbs maybe but ask Andy which county's on his baptism cert and see what answer you get 8)

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 10:07:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

RN cars, Ros  water and sewers Ros roads and footpaths, Ros  Library, Ros Co Councillors, Roscommon South Leitrim Dáil constituency, Rod Community Games, Free houses from Ros Co Council, Ros Co Council grants to ALL sporting organisations in the town..........

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Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 10:07:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

In the minds of addled Rhubarbs maybe but ask Andy which county's on his baptism cert and see what answer you get 8)

Sure lads of a certain age in south Mayo all have Tuam on their birth certs and it means diddly squat. All of them Mayo. A losing battle Sy.

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Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 10:07:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

RN cars, Ros  water and sewers Ros roads and footpaths, Ros  Library, Ros Co Councillors, Roscommon South Leitrim Dáil constituency, Rod Community Games, Free houses from Ros Co Council, Ros Co Council grants to ALL sporting organisations in the town..........

Mayo GAA, Mayo people  ;) Sure isn't Northern Ireland covered in Crown, Royal and U.K. but they are Irish up there  ;)

Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2013, 10:12:15 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 10:07:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

RN cars, Ros  water and sewers Ros roads and footpaths, Ros  Library, Ros Co Councillors, Roscommon South Leitrim Dáil constituency, Rod Community Games, Free houses from Ros Co Council, Ros Co Council grants to ALL sporting organisations in the town..........

....and footballers Mayo. Must be a killer Rosstan.

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Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2013, 10:12:15 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 10:07:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

RN cars, Ros  water and sewers Ros roads and footpaths, Ros  Library, Ros Co Councillors, Roscommon South Leitrim Dáil constituency, Rod Community Games, Free houses from Ros Co Council, Ros Co Council grants to ALL sporting organisations in the town..........

Mayo GAA, Mayo people  ;) Sure isn't Northern Ireland covered in Crown, Royal and U.K. but they are Irish up there  ;)

El Captain in 2008 was a self-identifying Rossie. Must not have read the memo.

What a shite festival yesterday though.

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Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 10:07:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

RN cars, Ros  water and sewers Ros roads and footpaths, Ros  Library, Ros Co Councillors, Roscommon South Leitrim Dáil constituency, Rod Community Games, Free houses from Ros Co Council, Ros Co Council grants to ALL sporting organisations in the town..........

Fcuk me spuds a debate is put to rest by posting a clip from JOM and some supporters.

Exactly Rosfan,Syferus. Ballagh folks unless moving away from the town have no choice but to play for Mayo while the people in the town can support who they want but at the end of it's Ros town and all of them whether they like it or not they are rossies & on another note Mayo are one win away from Roscommon man/captain from lifting Sam Maguire & TBH that will be great for the town of Ballagh if that happens no doubt Syferus will be there to take a few snaps?

Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 10:59:25 PM
What a shite festival yesterday though.

Sthawp that talk. Anything Roscommon is great.

Nearly fell off my seat laughing when we hit the M6 outside Maynooth and saw the electronic traffic sign warning of delays in Ballagh, though ;D

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 11:10:20 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 10:59:25 PM
What a shite festival yesterday though.

Sthawp that talk. Anything Roscommon is great.

Nearly fell off my seat laughing when we hit the M6 outside Maynooth and saw the electronic traffic sign warning of delays in Ballagh, though ;D

was it a concert ya were at, or leavin somewan at d'airport? ;)

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Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 10:07:10 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

RN cars, Ros  water and sewers Ros roads and footpaths, Ros  Library, Ros Co Councillors, Roscommon South Leitrim Dáil constituency, Rod Community Games, Free houses from Ros Co Council, Ros Co Council grants to ALL sporting organisations in the town..........

Fcuk me spuds a debate is put to rest by posting a clip from JOM and some supporters.

Exactly Rosfan,Syferus. Ballagh folks unless moving away from the town have no choice but to play for Mayo while the people in the town can support who they want but at the end of it's Ros town and all of them whether they like it or not they are rossies & on another note Mayo are one win away from Roscommon man/captain from lifting Sam Maguire & TBH that will be great for the town of Ballagh if that happens no doubt Syferus will be there to take a few snaps?

Talked to John O'M. and everyone they spoke to was shouting for Mayo. Case closed.

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Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
The debate is put to rest here as the locals speak up and show their loyalty.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A10191729%3A0%3A%3A

2hr 9min 45sec in

Show produced by a Mayoman?

Aye, the situation is clear-cut, Ballagh is a Ros town.

Evidently not.

RN cars, Ros  water and sewers Ros roads and footpaths, Ros  Library, Ros Co Councillors, Roscommon South Leitrim Dáil constituency, Rod Community Games, Free houses from Ros Co Council, Ros Co Council grants to ALL sporting organisations in the town..........

Fcuk me spuds a debate is put to rest by posting a clip from JOM and some supporters.

Exactly Rosfan,Syferus. Ballagh folks unless moving away from the town have no choice but to play for Mayo while the people in the town can support who they want but at the end of it's Ros town and all of them whether they like it or not they are rossies & on another note Mayo are one win away from Roscommon man/captain from lifting Sam Maguire & TBH that will be great for the town of Ballagh if that happens no doubt Syferus will be there to take a few snaps?

I'll grit my teeth and attend the homecoming if young Mr. Moran returns with Sam alright. Not many times Sam passes around here, even if the colour aren't ideal. Hopefully I'll have to attend another homecoming the the same weekend, though..

I wonder if we'll have to formulate a plane to carry Sam and the Markham cups over the Shannon together if it ends up with Ros and Mayo as the winners? I'd assume both buses would be coming back different routes usually so the two caps may need to sit down and figure something out if the best comes to pass on that evening.

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 11:36:20 PM
Talked to John O'M. and everyone they spoke to was shouting for Mayo. Case closed.

What case may i ask?

Now take my own situation, my dad is Donegal man he got me into GAA the first game i went to was Donegal v Roscommon he wanted me to support them if i did i could have went on to play for them and as supporter i could have used us,we etc when talking about them plus i could have been in Croker last September celebrating the All Ireland success but.. at the end of day i would still be Roscommon person just like all those in Ballaghaderreen.

Quote from: ross4life on August 26, 2013, 11:59:07 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 11:36:20 PM
Talked to John O'M. and everyone they spoke to was shouting for Mayo. Case closed.

What case may i ask?

Now take my own situation, my dad is Donegal man he got me into GAA the first game i went to was Donegal v Roscommon he wanted me to support them if i did i could have went on to play for them and as supporter i could have used us,we etc when talking about them plus i could have been in Croker last September celebrating the All Ireland success but.. at the end of day i would still be Roscommon person just like all those in Ballaghaderreen.

And those brought up living in Ballaghaderreen are proud Mayo GAA people.

< sigh>
The caterwauling has started again and I feel a yet another severe headache coming on...I really do. < /sigh>

The Rosquitos are buzzing all over the place again, howling about Ballagh and its refusal to drop its standards and to consort with barbarians.
For six long generations, the members of Ballgh GAA club have opted to maintain the link with their heritage and play their football with Mayo.
If a majority of its members wanted any anytime to switch allegiances to their woolly neighbours, they could have done so with a minimum of fuss.
But they haven't and they won't for at least 66 generations more.
Don't mind the bullsugar being shovelled onto on this board; a sizeable majority of the people in Ballagh and its hinterland want to keep the link with Mayo.
How else could the club field teams in the various grades from juvenile right up to senior?
One of the daftest posts from one of the daftest posters on this board maintained that Ross county council should stop paying community funds to the Ballagh club if it didn't switch allegiance forthwith.
In all parts of the civilised world, sport is regarded as being above politics but this apparently isn't the case in Roscommon.   
For a study in contrasts take the case of Ardnaree and compare it with Ballagh.

Ardnaree and its surrounding areas were transferred from Sligo to Mayo at the same time as Ballagh was annexed by Roscommon. The true Gaels of Ardnaree know which side of their bread is buttered and their ancestors knew it as well. They founded their own club, Ardnaree Sarsfields and affiliated with the Mayo board from the outset.
Ardnaree, home of the great Jinking Joe, plays football in Mayo. There's no sign whatever that the members want to move to anywhere else. Come to think of it, I haven't heard a complaint from anyone in Ardnaree about its transferral to Mayo.
Why should the people of Ballagh be forced, against their will, to play football in a God-forsaken land?
I wish the Rossies would go back to stealing each other's sheep and let decent people make up their own minds.



Now, Syf and the buck with chronic smileyitis, it's over to ye.

Fcuk off Lar. When the Ballagh patriots tried to set up their own club the Mayo Co Board opposed it and got their lackeys in Galway and the Smellies of Laythrum to stick their noses in and stop it.
Sligo Co Board to their eternal credit and the respect of Freedom loving people everywhere voted to let people have a choice.
When the Ballagh Rossies ( who live in the present not 1897 ) get their freedom to have their own club affiliated to the Co Board of their own County - then we'll stop "caterwaulin".
Down with Rhubarb Fascism
Freedom for the Ballaghrossies
Revive St John's

Quote from: Rossfan on August 27, 2013, 11:36:27 AM
Fcuj off Lar. When the Ballagh patriots tried to set up their own club the Mayo Co Board opposed it and got their lackeys in Galway and the Smellies of Laythrum to stick their noses in and stop it.
Sligo Co Board to their eternal credit and the respect of Freedom loving people everywhere voted to let people have a choice.
When the Ballagh Rossies ( who live in the present not 1897 ) get their freedom to have their own club affiliated to the Co Board of their own County - then we'll stop "caterwaulin".
Down with Rhubarb Fascism
Freedom for the Ballaghrossies
Revive St John's

viva la revolution!

Quote from: sans pessimism on August 27, 2013, 08:07:07 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 27, 2013, 11:36:27 AM
Fcuj off Lar. When the Ballagh patriots tried to set up their own club the Mayo Co Board opposed it and got their lackeys in Galway and the Smellies of Laythrum to stick their noses in and stop it.
Sligo Co Board to their eternal credit and the respect of Freedom loving people everywhere voted to let people have a choice.
When the Ballagh Rossies ( who live in the present not 1897 ) get their freedom to have their own club affiliated to the Co Board of their own County - then we'll stop "caterwaulin".
Down with Rhubarb Fascism
Freedom for the Ballaghrossies
Revive St John's

viva la revolution!

This video reminds me of the Rossie pretenders and Ballagh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAa4xPkk2Pw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAa4xPkk2Pw)

Quote from: spuds on August 27, 2013, 09:07:04 AM

Quote from: ross4life on August 26, 2013, 11:59:07 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 11:36:20 PM
Talked to John O'M. and everyone they spoke to was shouting for Mayo. Case closed.

What case may i ask?

Now take my own situation, my dad is Donegal man he got me into GAA the first game i went to was Donegal v Roscommon he wanted me to support them if i did i could have went on to play for them and as supporter i could have used us,we etc when talking about them plus i could have been in Croker last September celebrating the All Ireland success but.. at the end of day i would still be Roscommon person just like all those in Ballaghaderreen.

And those brought up living in Ballaghaderreen are proud Mayo GAA people.

The most glorious sight on Earth is returning from Castlebar after a big victory (a regular occurrence these days) and seeing the 'Welcome to Roscommon' sign miles before I hit the fine town of Ballagh.

I could think I'm a Kerryman but it doesn't make it true 8)

Quote from: spuds on August 27, 2013, 09:07:04 AM
And those brought up living in Ballaghaderreen are proud Mayo GAA people.

You say that like none in Ballagh are proud Roscommon GAA people?

The fact is some of the most proud Ros supporters are from Ballagh & when the big games comes along O'Hara coaches has no problem filling his buses with proud  rossies from Ballagh. Like Rossfan said a Ros club would have been set up in Ballagh decades ago if it wasn't for our lovely Leitrim,Galway neighbours.

So no case to be had & Lar can go on about his sheep,cats or whatever for as long as he likes. If  brought up living in Ballaghaderreen you are from Roscommon regardless of who you support or are proud of.

Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 08:56:26 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 27, 2013, 09:07:04 AM

Quote from: ross4life on August 26, 2013, 11:59:07 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 11:36:20 PM
Talked to John O'M. and everyone they spoke to was shouting for Mayo. Case closed.

What case may i ask?

Now take my own situation, my dad is Donegal man he got me into GAA the first game i went to was Donegal v Roscommon he wanted me to support them if i did i could have went on to play for them and as supporter i could have used us,we etc when talking about them plus i could have been in Croker last September celebrating the All Ireland success but.. at the end of day i would still be Roscommon person just like all those in Ballaghaderreen.

And those brought up living in Ballaghaderreen are proud Mayo GAA people.

The most glorious sight on Earth is returning from Castlebar after a big victory (a regular occurrence these days) and seeing the 'Welcome to Roscommon' sign miles before I hit the fine town of Ballagh.

I could think I'm a Kerryman but it doesn't make it true 8)

You Rossies will always be in our shadow as long as you talk about big victories and not a senior inter-county team in sight.

Quote from: ross4life on August 27, 2013, 09:10:07 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 27, 2013, 09:07:04 AM
And those brought up living in Ballaghaderreen are proud Mayo GAA people.

You say that like none in Ballagh are proud Roscommon GAA people?

The fact is some of the most proud Ros supporters are from Ballagh & when the big games comes along O'Hara coaches has no problem filling his buses with proud  rossies from Ballagh. Like Rossfan said a Ros club would have been set up in Ballagh decades ago if it wasn't for our lovely Leitrim,Galway neighbours.

So no case to be had & Lar can go on about his sheep,cats or whatever for as long as he likes. If  brought up living in Ballaghaderreen you are from Roscommon regardless of who you support or are proud of.

It would be interesting to check the parentage and great grandparents of those claiming to be Rossies and those who know they are Mayo. I hazard to suggest that the Rossies are interlopers.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 27, 2013, 09:22:45 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 08:56:26 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 27, 2013, 09:07:04 AM

Quote from: ross4life on August 26, 2013, 11:59:07 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 11:36:20 PM
Talked to John O'M. and everyone they spoke to was shouting for Mayo. Case closed.

What case may i ask?

Now take my own situation, my dad is Donegal man he got me into GAA the first game i went to was Donegal v Roscommon he wanted me to support them if i did i could have went on to play for them and as supporter i could have used us,we etc when talking about them plus i could have been in Croker last September celebrating the All Ireland success but.. at the end of day i would still be Roscommon person just like all those in Ballaghaderreen.

And those brought up living in Ballaghaderreen are proud Mayo GAA people.

The most glorious sight on Earth is returning from Castlebar after a big victory (a regular occurrence these days) and seeing the 'Welcome to Roscommon' sign miles before I hit the fine town of Ballagh.

I could think I'm a Kerryman but it doesn't make it true 8)

You Rossies will always be in our shadow as long as you talk about big victories and not a senior inter-county team in sight.

and you wonder why we love the regular sight of ye driving back through the county, with yer tails between yer legs, after yet another defeat in Croke Park in September

cause some Mayo supporters are the cockiest shower of w**ks you are ever likely to meet

Quote from: neilthemac on August 27, 2013, 09:30:25 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 27, 2013, 09:22:45 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 08:56:26 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 27, 2013, 09:07:04 AM

Quote from: ross4life on August 26, 2013, 11:59:07 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 26, 2013, 11:36:20 PM
Talked to John O'M. and everyone they spoke to was shouting for Mayo. Case closed.

What case may i ask?

Now take my own situation, my dad is Donegal man he got me into GAA the first game i went to was Donegal v Roscommon he wanted me to support them if i did i could have went on to play for them and as supporter i could have used us,we etc when talking about them plus i could have been in Croker last September celebrating the All Ireland success but.. at the end of day i would still be Roscommon person just like all those in Ballaghaderreen.

And those brought up living in Ballaghaderreen are proud Mayo GAA people.

The most glorious sight on Earth is returning from Castlebar after a big victory (a regular occurrence these days) and seeing the 'Welcome to Roscommon' sign miles before I hit the fine town of Ballagh.

I could think I'm a Kerryman but it doesn't make it true 8)

You Rossies will always be in our shadow as long as you talk about big victories and not a senior inter-county team in sight.

and you wonder why we love the regular sight of ye driving back through the county, with yer tails between yer legs, after yet another defeat in Croke Park in September

cause some Mayo supporters are the cockiest shower of w**ks you are ever likely to meet

Last time your lot came back from Croke Park from a senior All-Ireland Final with your tails between your legs ye were driving these  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


(http://ford-parts.uneedapart.com/images/ford-cortina-parts.jpg)

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 27, 2013, 09:24:37 PM
It would be interesting to check the parentage and great grandparents of those claiming to be Rossies and those who know they are Mayo. I hazard to suggest that the Rossies are interlopers.

Sure we could all check the our great grandparents and find some interesting answers i think i have one from Scotland myself. Ballagh is town in county Roscommon has been since the 1890s & it will remain that way.  I hazard to suggest that the rhubarbs are interlopers.

I'm this close to buying a load of Roscommon flags and climbing the Ballagh clubhouse and gluing them to the roof.

Just do it Syfínín, just do it like a good ladeen.
We have to let them bucks know what County they are in.

BORN in ballagh, reared in ballagh, played for ballagh but a rossie till i die an wont apoligise for it,now go on an win sam an we will gladly accept small ears

Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 10:03:29 PM
I'm this close to buying a load of Roscommon flags and climbing the Ballagh clubhouse and gluing them to the roof.

shove the flags up yer arse and put the glue on yer keyboard

Quote from: sans pessimism on August 27, 2013, 10:56:59 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 10:03:29 PM
I'm this close to buying a load of Roscommon flags and climbing the Ballagh clubhouse and gluing them to the roof.

shove the flags up yer arse and put the glue on yer keyboard

The last resort of a losing cause.

Nathy's back in Lar's days:

(http://archiseek.com/wp-content/gallery/ireland-buildings-roscommon/ballaghaderreen-college.jpg)

Quote from: ross4life on August 27, 2013, 09:10:07 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 27, 2013, 09:07:04 AM
And those brought up living in Ballaghaderreen are proud Mayo GAA people.

You say that like none in Ballagh are proud Roscommon GAA people?

The fact is some of the most proud Ros supporters are from Ballagh & when the big games comes along O'Hara coaches has no problem filling his buses with proud  rossies from Ballagh. Like Rossfan said a Ros club would have been set up in Ballagh decades ago if it wasn't for our lovely Leitrim,Galway neighbours.

So no case to be had & Lar can go on about his sheep,cats or whatever for as long as he likes. If  brought up living in Ballaghaderreen you are from Roscommon regardless of who you support or are proud of.

Something tells me that you may be taking what's posted on this board a biteen too seriously at times. I mean anyone who takes anything that Rossfan says to back up his point of view on anything at any time really needs to take a few deep breaths and go off on a short walk or slip into his local for a few pints or whatever helps to soothe his nerves.
Now, I am being serious here. (Stop sniggering, Rossfan.) ;D
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon. It's the democratic right of its members to make this decision or opt to continue its affiliation with Mayo and no amount of 'caterwauling' can disguise this fact.
It's inconceivable in this day and age that the cub would be forced into playing in Mayo against the wishes of its members.
I recall the time attempts were made to set up a junior club in the parish that would be affiliated with the Roscommon county board. A motion to this effect was put before the provincial council and yes, your 'lovely' neighbours voted against it.
Your not so lovely neighbour changed sides at the last minute and voted for the Roscommon motion when the result was beyond doubt. Maybe indeed some horse dealing went on between the counties who opposed this motion but its just as probable that Ross and Sligo were at it also.
About 20 years prior to this, (early 60s or thereabouts)  Roscommon county board appealed to the council to move Ballagh to Roscommon whether the club wanted to or not. At that time, all your of neighbours, whether lovely or not, opposed this forceful move.  If any of the 'proud Rossies' in Ballagh aren't happy with the current situation, the solution is in their own hands.
Let them put democracy to work by joining the club first and foremost and then when they have a majority of members who are willing to switch allegiances, they can set the procedure to do this in motion.
In the meantime, please stop the 'caterwauling."

Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 11:17:47 PM

Quote from: sans pessimism on August 27, 2013, 10:56:59 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 10:03:29 PM
I'm this close to buying a load of Roscommon flags and climbing the Ballagh clubhouse and gluing them to the roof.

shove the flags up yer arse and put the glue on yer keyboard

The last resort of a losing cause.

Nathy's back in Lar's days:

(http://archiseek.com/wp-content/gallery/ireland-buildings-roscommon/ballaghaderreen-college.jpg)

Well, eff you anyway! ;D
Now, I'll have nightmares tonight!

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:32:36 AM

Something tells me that you may be taking what's posted on this board a biteen too seriously at times. I mean anyone who takes anything that Rossfan says to back up his point of view on anything at any time really needs to take a few deep breaths and go off on a short walk or slip into his local for a few pints or whatever helps to soothe his nerves.
Now, I am being serious here. (Stop sniggering, Rossfan.) ;D
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon. It's the democratic right of its members to make this decision or opt to continue its affiliation with Mayo and no amount of 'caterwauling' can disguise this fact.
It's inconceivable in this day and age that the cub would be forced into playing in Mayo against the wishes of its members.
I recall the time attempts were made to set up a junior club in the parish that would be affiliated with the Roscommon county board. A motion to this effect was put before the provincial council and yes, your 'lovely' neighbours voted against it.
Your not so lovely neighbour changed sides at the last minute and voted for the Roscommon motion when the result was beyond doubt. Maybe indeed some horse dealing went on between the counties who opposed this motion but its just as probable that Ross and Sligo were at it also.
About 20 years prior to this, (early 60s or thereabouts)  Roscommon county board appealed to the council to move Ballagh to Roscommon whether the club wanted to or not. At that time, all your of neighbours, whether lovely or not, opposed this forceful move.  If any of the 'proud Rossies' in Ballagh aren't happy with the current situation, the solution is in their own hands.
Let them put democracy to work by joining the club first and foremost and then when they have a majority of members who are willing to switch allegiances, they can set the procedure to do this in motion.
In the meantime, please stop the 'caterwauling."

You know full well that Rossfan is spot on and where am i whining? the rest has already been well covered on this thread and elsewhere.

You need to read back and stop your own 'caterwauling."

I think we can all agree the Nathys' 1957 side was the greatest team to ever lift the Hogan Cup.

Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2013, 02:09:11 AM
I think we can all agree the Nathys' 1957 side was the greatest team to ever lift the Hogan Cup.

Well, I think we can all agree not to disagree at the very least. ;D
They had a fine side when Dermot Earley was in his final year and captained the team. They were odds-on favourites to beat Jarlath's in the Connacht final when Dermot got injured and was unable to play.
They lost narrowly and there's no doubt his absence made all the difference.

I hope to pay the dump town a visit this afternoon on my way to God's acre and I hope to drop into Durkin's and test the waters there. I don't expect there will be many there that peddle the same line of sh1te that I'm getting from Rossies on this board but only time will tell.
I expect to see loads of Rossie flags flying when I get there; the more the merrier. After all, the whole of Mayo will be rooting for yer little lambs next Sunday. We are a broad-minded race of people and are always willing to help our neighbours.

Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2013, 01:54:04 AM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:32:36 AM

Something tells me that you may be taking what's posted on this board a biteen too seriously at times. I mean anyone who takes anything that Rossfan says to back up his point of view on anything at any time really needs to take a few deep breaths and go off on a short walk or slip into his local for a few pints or whatever helps to soothe his nerves.
Now, I am being serious here. (Stop sniggering, Rossfan.) ;D
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon. It's the democratic right of its members to make this decision or opt to continue its affiliation with Mayo and no amount of 'caterwauling' can disguise this fact.
It's inconceivable in this day and age that the cub would be forced into playing in Mayo against the wishes of its members.
I recall the time attempts were made to set up a junior club in the parish that would be affiliated with the Roscommon county board. A motion to this effect was put before the provincial council and yes, your 'lovely' neighbours voted against it.
Your not so lovely neighbour changed sides at the last minute and voted for the Roscommon motion when the result was beyond doubt. Maybe indeed some horse dealing went on between the counties who opposed this motion but its just as probable that Ross and Sligo were at it also.
About 20 years prior to this, (early 60s or thereabouts)  Roscommon county board appealed to the council to move Ballagh to Roscommon whether the club wanted to or not. At that time, all your of neighbours, whether lovely or not, opposed this forceful move.  If any of the 'proud Rossies' in Ballagh aren't happy with the current situation, the solution is in their own hands.
Let them put democracy to work by joining the club first and foremost and then when they have a majority of members who are willing to switch allegiances, they can set the procedure to do this in motion.
In the meantime, please stop the 'caterwauling."

You know full well that Rossfan is spot on and where am i whining? the rest has already been well covered on this thread and elsewhere.

You need to read back and stop your own 'caterwauling."

Geez, Ross, you take offence rather easily. ;D
May I gently suggest that you go back and read what I wrote and decide for yourself if you are 'whining' or not.
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon. It's the democratic right of its members to make this decision or opt to continue its affiliation with Mayo and no amount of 'caterwauling' can disguise this fact.
That, btw, isn't Pope Lar speaking ex-cathedra; rather it's a decision made by the Connacht Council back in 1962 (or thereabouts). That, IIRC, is still the official position and no amount of obfuscation can hide this fact.
It's been 115 years since the Local Government Act (1898) altered the boundaries and moved Ballagh to Roscommon for civil administration purposes i.e. it was moved from one 'civil' county to another.
That term has no meaning in GAA administration affairs.
The majority of club members back then opted to remain affiliated with the Mayo County Board and obviously, that the position right now. They had every civil and moral right to do so in 1898 and the present members have the same rights also.
Ye have had 115 years to persuade enough members to vote for a switch to Roscommon and it's been over 50 years since the Connacht Council's landmark decision and still all ye do is go on an on  caterwauling at the moon.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:13:02 PM

Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2013, 01:54:04 AM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:32:36 AM

Something tells me that you may be taking what's posted on this board a biteen too seriously at times. I mean anyone who takes anything that Rossfan says to back up his point of view on anything at any time really needs to take a few deep breaths and go off on a short walk or slip into his local for a few pints or whatever helps to soothe his nerves.
Now, I am being serious here. (Stop sniggering, Rossfan.) ;D
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon. It's the democratic right of its members to make this decision or opt to continue its affiliation with Mayo and no amount of 'caterwauling' can disguise this fact.
It's inconceivable in this day and age that the cub would be forced into playing in Mayo against the wishes of its members.
I recall the time attempts were made to set up a junior club in the parish that would be affiliated with the Roscommon county board. A motion to this effect was put before the provincial council and yes, your 'lovely' neighbours voted against it.
Your not so lovely neighbour changed sides at the last minute and voted for the Roscommon motion when the result was beyond doubt. Maybe indeed some horse dealing went on between the counties who opposed this motion but its just as probable that Ross and Sligo were at it also.
About 20 years prior to this, (early 60s or thereabouts)  Roscommon county board appealed to the council to move Ballagh to Roscommon whether the club wanted to or not. At that time, all your of neighbours, whether lovely or not, opposed this forceful move.  If any of the 'proud Rossies' in Ballagh aren't happy with the current situation, the solution is in their own hands.
Let them put democracy to work by joining the club first and foremost and then when they have a majority of members who are willing to switch allegiances, they can set the procedure to do this in motion.
In the meantime, please stop the 'caterwauling."

You know full well that Rossfan is spot on and where am i whining? the rest has already been well covered on this thread and elsewhere.

You need to read back and stop your own 'caterwauling."

Geez, Ross, you take offence rather easily. ;D
May I gently suggest that you go back and read what I wrote and decide for yourself if you are 'whining' or not.
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon. It's the democratic right of its members to make this decision or opt to continue its affiliation with Mayo and no amount of 'caterwauling' can disguise this fact.
That, btw, isn't Pope Lar speaking ex-cathedra; rather it's a decision made by the Connacht Council back in 1962 (or thereabouts). That, IIRC, is still the official position and no amount of obfuscation can hide this fact.
It's been 115 years since the Local Government Act (1898) altered the boundaries and moved Ballagh to Roscommon for civil administration purposes i.e. it was moved from one 'civil' county to another.
That term has no meaning in GAA administration affairs.
The majority of club members back then opted to remain affiliated with the Mayo County Board and obviously, that the position right now. They had every civil and moral right to do so in 1898 and the present members have the same rights also.
Ye have had 115 years to persuade enough members to vote for a switch to Roscommon and it's been over 50 years since the Connacht Council's landmark decision and still all ye do is go on an on  caterwauling at the moon.

Don't get everyone started on the West Side Mafia, Lar, you're not going to be happy about the picture that's painted.

Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2013, 01:20:52 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:13:02 PM

Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2013, 01:54:04 AM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:32:36 AM

Something tells me that you may be taking what's posted on this board a biteen too seriously at times. I mean anyone who takes anything that Rossfan says to back up his point of view on anything at any time really needs to take a few deep breaths and go off on a short walk or slip into his local for a few pints or whatever helps to soothe his nerves.
Now, I am being serious here. (Stop sniggering, Rossfan.) ;D
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon. It's the democratic right of its members to make this decision or opt to continue its affiliation with Mayo and no amount of 'caterwauling' can disguise this fact.
It's inconceivable in this day and age that the cub would be forced into playing in Mayo against the wishes of its members.
I recall the time attempts were made to set up a junior club in the parish that would be affiliated with the Roscommon county board. A motion to this effect was put before the provincial council and yes, your 'lovely' neighbours voted against it.
Your not so lovely neighbour changed sides at the last minute and voted for the Roscommon motion when the result was beyond doubt. Maybe indeed some horse dealing went on between the counties who opposed this motion but its just as probable that Ross and Sligo were at it also.
About 20 years prior to this, (early 60s or thereabouts)  Roscommon county board appealed to the council to move Ballagh to Roscommon whether the club wanted to or not. At that time, all your of neighbours, whether lovely or not, opposed this forceful move.  If any of the 'proud Rossies' in Ballagh aren't happy with the current situation, the solution is in their own hands.
Let them put democracy to work by joining the club first and foremost and then when they have a majority of members who are willing to switch allegiances, they can set the procedure to do this in motion.
In the meantime, please stop the 'caterwauling."

You know full well that Rossfan is spot on and where am i whining? the rest has already been well covered on this thread and elsewhere.

You need to read back and stop your own 'caterwauling."

Geez, Ross, you take offence rather easily. ;D
May I gently suggest that you go back and read what I wrote and decide for yourself if you are 'whining' or not.
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon. It's the democratic right of its members to make this decision or opt to continue its affiliation with Mayo and no amount of 'caterwauling' can disguise this fact.
That, btw, isn't Pope Lar speaking ex-cathedra; rather it's a decision made by the Connacht Council back in 1962 (or thereabouts). That, IIRC, is still the official position and no amount of obfuscation can hide this fact.
It's been 115 years since the Local Government Act (1898) altered the boundaries and moved Ballagh to Roscommon for civil administration purposes i.e. it was moved from one 'civil' county to another.
That term has no meaning in GAA administration affairs.
The majority of club members back then opted to remain affiliated with the Mayo County Board and obviously, that the position right now. They had every civil and moral right to do so in 1898 and the present members have the same rights also.
Ye have had 115 years to persuade enough members to vote for a switch to Roscommon and it's been over 50 years since the Connacht Council's landmark decision and still all ye do is go on an on  caterwauling at the moon.

Don't get everyone started on the West Side Mafia, Lar, you're not going to be happy about the picture that's painted.

Arra, don't worry about me, Syf I know the drill well by now.
BTW, I'll be sporting the Rossie colours when I set out.
I always support any of my neighbours unless they're playing us.
I'll stick my primrose and blue pennants on the car and they'll be there till Sunday evening.
I really hope your laddeens win. I t would be great too see two Connacht teams in the final.
Well, we've shown the way and it's up to the Rossies to follow. ;D

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:13:02 PM

Geez, Ross, you take offence rather easily. ;D
May I gently suggest that you go back and read what I wrote and decide for yourself if you are 'whining' or not.

Lar its you that needs to read back on what i wrote.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:32:36 AM
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon.

We have 14 pages on this thread where am i whining about this situation? my point is... in the years ahead Ballagh footballers should have the choice to choose and for the record Ballagh is Ros town the current Mayo senior club champions and current Mayo senior county captain is from Roscommon no amount of caterwauling will change that fact.

Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2013, 05:21:51 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:13:02 PM

Geez, Ross, you take offence rather easily. ;D
May I gently suggest that you go back and read what I wrote and decide for yourself if you are 'whining' or not.

Lar its you that needs to read back on what i wrote.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2013, 01:32:36 AM
I have no sympathy for any one who keeps whining that Ballagh club doesn't play its football in Roscommon.

We have 14 pages on this thread where am i whining about this situation? my point is... in the years ahead Ballagh footballers should have the choice to choose and for the record Ballagh is Ros town the current Mayo senior club champions and current Mayo senior county captain is from Roscommon no amount of caterwauling will change that fact.

Of course I agree with that but you are the only Rossie here that says it. I've said the same in an earlier post somewhere near the start of this topic. 
I guess I took you up wrong as I thought you agreed with the Gruesome Twosome that the Ballagh club should be forced to switch to Roscommon whether the members were willing or not.
You'd need to watch out for them pair of hoors; they'd start a row in a phone box! ;D

Like a dagger through the heart for Syferus ;)


Interview with Andy Moran on gaa.ie
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1909130815-my-club-and-i-andy-moran/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1909130815-my-club-and-i-andy-moran/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

So, are you a Mayo man or a Roscomman man then?

Oh yeah, a Mayo man. It's amazing. Your identity is Mayo. In my family, my father is a Roscommon man and my mother is from Mayo. The games I used to go to, all my friends were from Mayo. I went to a lot of Mayo games and a lot of Roscommon games growing up. But my identity is totally Mayo.

Andy, did you forget wearing the Primrose and Blue with big Mike Finneran for the ould soccer?  Where is your home-place? >:(

I'm sure Andy won't mind me revealing his dah won't ever shout for Mayo when they're playing but he'll shout for his Rossie son 8)

Don't know if I should cry or be proud when Sam arrives in Ballagh on Monday.

Quote from: Tubberman on September 19, 2013, 09:11:08 AM
Like a dagger through the heart for Syferus ;)


Interview with Andy Moran on gaa.ie
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1909130815-my-club-and-i-andy-moran/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1909130815-my-club-and-i-andy-moran/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

So, are you a Mayo man or a Roscomman man then?

Oh yeah, a Mayo man. It's amazing. Your identity is Mayo. In my family, my father is a Roscommon man and my mother is from Mayo. The games I used to go to, all my friends were from Mayo. I went to a lot of Mayo games and a lot of Roscommon games growing up. But my identity is totally Mayo.

Did Ballagh really win 3 in a row U21 titles from 2002 - 04?

Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2013, 09:19:26 AM
Andy, did you forget wearing the Primrose and Blue with big Mike Finneran for the ould soccer?  Where is your home-place? >:(

I'm sure Andy won't mind me revealing his dah won't ever shout for Mayo when they're playing but he'll shout for his Rossie son 8)

Don't know if I should cry or be proud when Sam arrives in Ballagh on Monday.

The 'ould soccer'?

This thread reads like a slow descent into insanity.

Noun   1.   covetousness - an envious eagerness to possess something
enviousness, envy - a feeling of grudging admiration and desire to have something that is possessed by another

I'm sorry I missed this thread the first time around. Great stuff.

Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2013, 09:19:26 AM
Don't know if I should cry or be proud when IF Sam arrives in Ballagh on Monday.

Do neither.
Keep your dignity and just ignore the traitorous hoors.
Visit the Dermot Earley statue, go for a trip around our lovely County and thank God for making you a Rossie.
You could also drop into a Church and pray for the conversion of the Ballagh Haythens while you're at it.

Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2013, 10:58:55 AM

Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2013, 09:19:26 AM
Don't know if I should cry or be proud when IF Sam arrives in Ballagh on Monday.

Do neither.
Keep your dignity and just ignore the traitorous hoors.
Visit the Dermot Earley statue, go for a trip around our lovely County and thank God for making you a Rossie.
You could also drop into a Church and pray for the conversion of the Ballagh Haythens while you're at it.

Is the plan still on for that lad that built Achill Henge to put in place the Great Wall of Connacht between Ballagh and Frenchpark after Sam passes Douglas Hydes place?

Quote from: Tubberman on September 19, 2013, 09:11:08 AM
Like a dagger through the heart for Syferus ;)


Interview with Andy Moran on gaa.ie
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1909130815-my-club-and-i-andy-moran/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1909130815-my-club-and-i-andy-moran/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

So, are you a Mayo man or a Roscomman man then?

Oh yeah, a Mayo man. It's amazing. Your identity is Mayo. In my family, my father is a Roscommon man and my mother is from Mayo. The games I used to go to, all my friends were from Mayo. I went to a lot of Mayo games and a lot of Roscommon games growing up. But my identity is totally Mayo.

No mention of Sean Kilbride when talking about famous Ballagh players or the late John Morley who was a key figure for both Mayo & Ballagh.

So lets see Andy is Ballagh man through & through which is a town in county Roscommon and kicked his first football in Roscommon his dad brought him to his first GAA game where Roscommon were playing and he grew up wearing the primrose and Blue jersey yet his identity is totally Mayo...

Oh yeah, right  ;D

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 19, 2013, 08:54:50 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2013, 10:58:55 AM

Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2013, 09:19:26 AM
Don't know if I should cry or be proud when IF Sam arrives in Ballagh on Monday.

Do neither.
Keep your dignity and just ignore the traitorous hoors.
Visit the Dermot Earley statue, go for a trip around our lovely County and thank God for making you a Rossie.
You could also drop into a Church and pray for the conversion of the Ballagh Haythens while you're at it.

Is the plan still on for that lad that built Achill Henge to put in place the Great Wall of Connacht between Ballagh and Frenchpark after Sam passes Douglas Hydes place?

Ros Co Co won't give Planning Permission to an eejit to build a wall in the middle of Co Roscommon.
I presume if ye win Sam  :o :o :o :-[ ye'll fly him to Knock to celebrate a miracle ( and to stop us bucks ambushing ye to take him off the Bus.)

Quote from: deiseach on September 19, 2013, 10:28:05 AM
I'm sorry I missed this thread the first time around. Great stuff.

Amen!

Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2013, 10:25:29 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 19, 2013, 08:54:50 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2013, 10:58:55 AM

Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2013, 09:19:26 AM
Don't know if I should cry or be proud when IF Sam arrives in Ballagh on Monday.

Do neither.
Keep your dignity and just ignore the traitorous hoors.
Visit the Dermot Earley statue, go for a trip around our lovely County and thank God for making you a Rossie.
You could also drop into a Church and pray for the conversion of the Ballagh Haythens while you're at it.

Is the plan still on for that lad that built Achill Henge to put in place the Great Wall of Connacht between Ballagh and Frenchpark after Sam passes Douglas Hydes place?

Ros Co Co won't give Planning Permission to an eejit to build a wall in the middle of Co Roscommon.
I presume if ye win Sam  :o :o :o :-[ ye'll fly him to Knock to celebrate a miracle ( and to stop us bucks ambushing ye to take him off the Bus.)

The lad in question doesn't do planning permission.

He'll get short shrift if he tries to start any rhubarbness in this County.

Ballagh is in a mental state today, lads up on roofs with Rhubarb flags just for the feck of it. Ros flags inter-twined with Mayo flags, ghastly sights.

Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2013, 07:28:37 PM
Ballagh is in a mental state tday, lads up on roofs woth Rhubarb flags just for the frvk of it. Ros flags inter-twined with Mayo flags, ghastly sights.

Was through it on Tuesday. Mad!!!

Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2013, 07:28:37 PM
Ballagh is in a mental state tday, lads up on roofs woth Rhubarb flags just for the frvk of it. Ros flags inter-twined with Mayo flags, ghastly sights.

Love to know who you are.

Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2013, 12:28:48 AM

Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2013, 07:28:37 PM
Ballagh is in a mental state tday, lads up on roofs woth Rhubarb flags just for the frvk of it. Ros flags inter-twined with Mayo flags, ghastly sights.

Love to know who you are.

Frenchpark interloper.

Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2013, 12:28:48 AM

Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2013, 07:28:37 PM
Ballagh is in a mental state tday, lads up on roofs woth Rhubarb flags just for the frvk of it. Ros flags inter-twined with Mayo flags, ghastly sights.

Love to know who you are.

Ok, larryin89!

And Rhu God, I'm from the other side of Ballagh. Castlerea on the address, Ballagh in the heart :-*

Was talking yesterday to a native Ballagh woman who lives in another part of Co Ros nowadays.
When I said "I suppose you'll be up for Mayo" she exploded.
"Growing up in Ballagh I got to hate them fcukers and always support whoever they are playing against - even fcukin Dublin or Kerry"
Just repeatin' what she was sayin  :-X

Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2013, 08:50:18 PM
Was talking yesterday to a native Ballagh woman who lives in another part of Co Ros nowadays.
When I said "I suppose you'll be up for Mayo" she exploded.
"Growing up in Ballagh I got to hate them fcukers and always support whoever they are playing against - even fcukin Dublin or Kerry"
Just repeatin' what she was sayin  :-X

I've met 6 county Loyalists in Britain with similar tirades against the Irish.

Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2013, 07:24:05 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2013, 12:28:48 AM

Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2013, 07:28:37 PM
Ballagh is in a mental state tday, lads up on roofs woth Rhubarb flags just for the frvk of it. Ros flags inter-twined with Mayo flags, ghastly sights.

Love to know who you are.

Ok, larryin89!

And Rhu God, I'm from the other side of Ballagh. Castlerea on the address, Ballagh in the heart :-*

You escape from the prison?

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 21, 2013, 09:18:17 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2013, 08:50:18 PM
Was talking yesterday to a native Ballagh woman who lives in another part of Co Ros nowadays.
When I said "I suppose you'll be up for Mayo" she exploded.
"Growing up in Ballagh I got to hate them fcukers and always support whoever they are playing against - even fcukin Dublin or Kerry"
Just repeatin' what she was sayin  :-X

I've met 6 county Loyalists in Britain with similar tirades against the Irish.

Say you felt pretty comfortable in that sort of company

Quote from: anglocelt39 on September 21, 2013, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 21, 2013, 09:18:17 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2013, 08:50:18 PM
Was talking yesterday to a native Ballagh woman who lives in another part of Co Ros nowadays.
When I said "I suppose you'll be up for Mayo" she exploded.
"Growing up in Ballagh I got to hate them fcukers and always support whoever they are playing against - even fcukin Dublin or Kerry"
Just repeatin' what she was sayin  :-X

I've met 6 county Loyalists in Britain with similar tirades against the Irish.

Say you felt pretty comfortable in that sort of company

Please do explain your theory.

Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2013, 08:50:18 PM
Was talking yesterday to a native Ballagh woman who lives in another part of Co Ros nowadays.
When I said "I suppose you'll be up for Mayo" she exploded.
"Growing up in Ballagh I got to hate them fcukers and always support whoever they are playing against - even fcukin Dublin or Kerry"
Just repeatin' what she was sayin  :-X

Arra, sure you'd get a glugger in every clutch of eggs.
I know if your search was long enough and the bribe was big enough, you surely get some oul' bags disgruntled ex-Ballagh individual to come out with a speil of shyte like that.
But the great Gaels of Ballagh don't give two flying fucks for what you and any other mean-spirited individuals are moaning about. Today the link with their spiritual home that stretches back over five generations is still as strong as ever and 'twill be so for five generations more. No doubt where their loyalties lie.


NB. In passing, I have to acknowledge the volume of support we are getting from ordinary decent Rossies throughout that fair county. With some (very) odd exceptions, their sportsmanship has to be admired and appreciated.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 21, 2013, 11:44:43 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2013, 08:50:18 PM
Was talking yesterday to a native Ballagh woman who lives in another part of Co Ros nowadays.
When I said "I suppose you'll be up for Mayo" she exploded.
"Growing up in Ballagh I got to hate them fcukers and always support whoever they are playing against - even fcukin Dublin or Kerry"
Just repeatin' what she was sayin  :-X

Arra, sure you'd get a glugger in every clutch of eggs.
I know if your search was long enough and the bribe was big enough, you surely get some oul' bags disgruntled ex-Ballagh individual to come out with a speil of shyte like that.
But the great Gaels of Ballagh don't give two flying f**ks for what you and any other mean-spirited individuals are moaning about. Today the link with their spiritual home that stretches back over five generations is still as strong as ever and 'twill be so for five generations more. No doubt where their loyalties lie.


NB. In passing, I have to acknowledge the volume of support we are getting from ordinary decent Rossies throughout that fair county. With some (very) odd exceptions, their sportsmanship has to be admired and appreciated.

Of course you are, Ballagh is very magnanious.

The rest are just Brigids flags we haven't bothered to take down yet.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 21, 2013, 11:44:43 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2013, 08:50:18 PM
Was talking yesterday to a native Ballagh woman who lives in another part of Co Ros nowadays.
When I said "I suppose you'll be up for Mayo" she exploded.
"Growing up in Ballagh I got to hate them fcukers and always support whoever they are playing against - even fcukin Dublin or Kerry"
Just repeatin' what she was sayin  :-X

Arra, sure you'd get a glugger in every clutch of eggs.
I know if your search was long enough and the bribe was big enough, you surely get some oul' bags disgruntled ex-Ballagh individual to come out with a speil of shyte like that.
.

She's early 30s and no "oul bag"  ;)

Here giveballaghback, and Rossies galore, take ye're gripes, all out of the Connaught thread, and put them in here..... ;D

Farr, i can't believe that you dragged this thread up again.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 26, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
Here giveballaghback, and Rossies galore, take ye're gripes, all out of the Connaught thread, and put them in here..... ;D

you do know why Croi Na heireann started the Connaught thread right..?

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 17, 2015, 10:28:26 AM

Quote from: Brick Tamlin on February 17, 2015, 08:32:04 AM
You Connacht boyos wanna f**k away off to your own thread and let us discuss the thread title perhaps.?

Good idea Brick, we need a one stop shop for all Ballagh/Bellahy/Ardnaree related bickering with a bit of Galwey bashing thrown in for good measure. This searching through different threads looking for the good stuff is too time consuming. I'll create one now.

Poor Croi has trouble with the search button.

The thought of Tommy Tom Tom managing the U21s has left him in a total state of chassis.
He is not responsible for his actions for a while in.

Quote from: Shrewdness on February 26, 2015, 09:54:32 PM
Farr, i can't believe that you dragged this thread up again.

+1
This is the last thing I expected or wanted to see. Resurrecting this zombie thread just gives the pair of trolls who've surfaced recently an opportunity to hang around and make nuisances of themselves.

Quote from: Rossfan on February 26, 2015, 11:51:09 PM
The thought of Tommy Tom Tom managing the U21s has left him in a total state of chassis.
He is not responsible for his actions for a while in.

What is a total state of chassis???

Im not going anywhere lar na parka or should that read lar na multi million euro wasted Mchale parka?

You told me this thread was immortal!
O green-life-conquering thread!

Quote from: LeoMc on February 27, 2015, 08:31:51 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on February 26, 2015, 11:51:09 PM
The thought of Tommy Tom Tom managing the U21s has left him in a total state of chassis.
He is not responsible for his actions for a while in.

What is a total state of chassis???

"total state of chassis" = a state of irrationality, imbecility, general disorientation and teetotal bewilderment.
(ie Rossfan's mind)

Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 27, 2015, 09:32:13 AM

Quote from: LeoMc on February 27, 2015, 08:31:51 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on February 26, 2015, 11:51:09 PM
The thought of Tommy Tom Tom managing the U21s has left him in a total state of chassis.
He is not responsible for his actions for a while in.

What is a total state of chassis???

"total state of chassis" = a state of irrationality, imbecility, general disorientation and teetotal bewilderment.
(ie Rossfan's mind)

Ye're nothin' but a prognosticator, a procrastinator!

Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 27, 2015, 09:32:13 AM

Quote from: LeoMc on February 27, 2015, 08:31:51 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on February 26, 2015, 11:51:09 PM
The thought of Tommy Tom Tom managing the U21s has left him in a total state of chassis.
He is not responsible for his actions for a while in.

What is a total state of chassis???

"total state of chassis" = a state of irrationality, imbecility, general disorientation and teetotal bewilderment.
(ie Rossfan's mind)

Ahh. The opposite of a state of stasis then.

So lar na broken down pairca is a phyc....... feck it I mean head doctor as well as a teacher.

Can anyone clear this up, would a player from Ballaghaderrren Gaa club qualify for Roscommon based on the relatively new parentage rule if their parents were from Ballaghaderren or would they not because in GAA terms Ballaghaderren is a Mayo club?

Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 10, 2015, 05:25:44 PM
Can anyone clear this up, would a player from Ballaghaderrren Gaa club qualify for Roscommon based on the relatively new parentage rule if their parents were from Ballaghaderren or would they not because in GAA terms Ballaghaderren is a Mayo club?

Jaysus it had just quietened down too. You'll set it off again. ;D

Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 10, 2015, 05:25:44 PM
Can anyone clear this up, would a player from Ballaghaderrren Gaa club qualify for Roscommon based on the relatively new parentage rule if their parents were from Ballaghaderren or would they not because in GAA terms the club based in  Ballaghaderren, Co Roscommon  is classed as a Mayo club?

No. because of the bit in bold.
What is the relatively new parentage rule?

Quote from: Rossfan on April 10, 2015, 05:36:01 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 10, 2015, 05:25:44 PM
Can anyone clear this up, would a player from Ballaghaderrren Gaa club qualify for Roscommon based on the relatively new parentage rule if their parents were from Ballaghaderren or would they not because in GAA terms the club based in  Ballaghaderren, Co Roscommon  is classed as a Mayo club?

No. because of the bit in bold.
What is the relatively new parentage rule?

Your parents home club . James kilcullen , Sligo would be a recent example.

Ballaghaderreen is very like Joe Brolly- you either love the setup or hate it

This little country of ours has always had landlords, gombeen men, tans, and land grabbers, Mayo qualify on a few of those fronts.

The current Ballagh Senior Panel hasn't one player imo who would get on the Roscommon senior panel, apart from a fit Andy Moran at a push. Yet go a couple of miles out the Dublin road and you find Western Gaels who currently supply Cathal Cregg, Kevin Higgins, Seanie Mc Dermott, Ciaran Cafferky and Donal Ward. Enough said.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 10, 2015, 10:44:38 PM
The current Ballagh Senior Panel hasn't one player imo who would get on the Roscommon senior panel, apart from a fit Andy Moran at a push. Yet go a couple of miles out the Dublin road and you find Western Gaels who currently supply Cathal Cregg, Kevin Higgins, Seanie Mc Dermott, Ciaran Cafferky and Donal Ward. Enough said.

The question is how many of them would make the Mayo Panel?  :P

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 10, 2015, 10:44:38 PM
The current Ballagh Senior Panel hasn't one player imo who would get on the Roscommon senior panel, apart from a fit Andy Moran at a push. Yet go a couple of miles out the Dublin road and you find Western Gaels who currently supply Cathal Cregg, Kevin Higgins, Seanie Mc Dermott, Ciaran Cafferky and Donal Ward. Enough said.

I don't care for the Ballagh argument it's done to death in here and elsewhere , my nearest town down home is Ballagh and I'm often in it and nobody talks about it like is done in here , honestly it's not a topic other than maybe after a Mayo v Ross game with a dozen pints swallowed.

Getting back to your post shrewdness , I honestly think Ye are getting carried away with yourselves but if the truth be known that suits me fine. The players you mention have never made an impression in a match against Mayo and to add to that all these young meneen like murtaghs , smiths etc albeit they are admittedly progressing well they have not being tested at the top level . That will be your ultimate test in about 14/15 weeks time against Galway or Mayo in the connacht final.

These promised revolutions can often end up being an almighty anti climax . Like I said I know a lot of Rossies and it wasn't that long ago ,they were Rubin the hands together at the prospect of beating Galway in hyde park , was it 3 years ago I think and Galway came out of the blocks and landed ye on yer backsides .

3 years ago Kilkenny would have landed us on our backsides as we had our "2010 year".
We'll see how the Summer turns out all in good time

Quote from: larryin89 on April 10, 2015, 10:59:36 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 10, 2015, 10:44:38 PM
The current Ballagh Senior Panel hasn't one player imo who would get on the Roscommon senior panel, apart from a fit Andy Moran at a push. Yet go a couple of miles out the Dublin road and you find Western Gaels who currently supply Cathal Cregg, Kevin Higgins, Seanie Mc Dermott, Ciaran Cafferky and Donal Ward. Enough said.

I don't care for the Ballagh argument it's done to death in here and elsewhere , my nearest town down home is Ballagh and I'm often in it and nobody talks about it like is done in here , honestly it's not a topic other than maybe after a Mayo v Ross game with a dozen pints swallowed.

Getting back to your post shrewdness , I honestly think Ye are getting carried away with yourselves but if the truth be known that suits me fine. The players you mention have never made an impression in a match against Mayo and to add to that all these young meneen like murtaghs , smiths etc albeit they are admittedly progressing well they have not being tested at the top level . That will be your ultimate test in about 14/15 weeks time against Galway or Mayo in the connacht final.

These promised revolutions can often end up being an almighty anti climax . Like I said I know a lot of Rossies and it wasn't that long ago ,they were Rubin the hands together at the prospect of beating Galway in hyde park , was it 3 years ago I think and Galway came out of the blocks and landed ye on yer backsides .

The Newton era, thankfully a brief one, was one of regression not revolution alas. Took a year for Evans to get them back on track after that. I've no doubt that Murtagh will make more than his mark against at the top level but you'll see that for yourself in July ;) That is of course on the assumption we reach the Connacht Final, which we should.

 Will Mayowestros make the Connacht final though?

Quote from: Rossfan on April 11, 2015, 12:02:14 AM
Will Mayowestros make the Connacht final though?

If Galway can sort our their defensive woes they certainly have the firepower to topple Mayo.

Well that's  going to be the test , very hard to be overly confident but it's also equally as hard to not believe we will be in fair shape to retain the nestor cup . Despite all the negatives that came with some of the league performances and the humiliation by the dubs , there was also some great spells in games that showed me we are far from finished as a unit yet .

When you look at both Galway and roscommon from a Mayo perspective , I'm no expert but I can even see where we can still boss them and push on but like ye have said the summer will tell us a lot , we can only speculate .

If there is any truth in the rumour that Cillian will play no part in 15, we are in trouble .

Jeez,I know ya didn't start the rumour Larry,but take it as read that Cillian will be togged in June.

Quote from: sans pessimism on April 11, 2015, 12:29:01 AM
Jeez,I know ya didn't start the rumour Larry,but take it as read that Cillian will be togged in June.

Sound, I'm a sucker for the rumours tbh but it was being whispered round Castlebar before the Donegal game . Is it just a Mayo thing or do people in other counties be at the same craic ,,for as long as I can remember it's being happening in Mayo , rumour after rumour . In the ear stuff like " I was chattin his father lasht noite , it's not good ooooh boy it's not good"

Picking up injuries at a worrying rate is the young lad.

Can the gaa in croke park not step in and resolve this issue. It seems to be a huge mental stumbling block for roscommon gaa. How can roscommon football achieve any success with this huge unresolved problem eating away at them.

Quote from: giveballaghback on April 10, 2015, 07:09:44 PM
This little country of ours has always had landlords, gombeen men, tans, and land grabbers, Mayo qualify on a few of those fronts.

The spectacular stupidity of your name makes this sort of post fantastically funny. World class-fantastically funny.

A landlord moved Ballagh into Ros. Now if you want to give it 'back' then I am sure we can all come to an agreement. No one in Mayo will object.  ;D

Yes and would Andy moran even make the roscommon team

Quote from: rrhf on April 11, 2015, 08:09:36 AM
Yes and would Andy moran even make the roscommon team

Well he's not going to make the Mayo team now anyway, dropped off the panel yesterday evening , massive brawl then, Connellly got a busted lip from Colm Boyle , Dillon jumped on top of Holmes held him down whilst Aido drew pictures with a permanent marker on his head . Doc got in his car and drove at speed through Josie munnelly park hitting 12 players and both Buckley and  Collins are in Castlebar General being treated for Ebola .

It's a fookin mess but I still think we will win the all Ireland.

Ye always think ye are going to win the all-ireland so nothing new there.

Quote from: giveballaghback on April 11, 2015, 12:31:06 PM
Ye always think ye are going to win the all-ireland so nothing new there.

Ye always think ye are going to win Connacht! No harm to have an auld think now and again! Keeps ya going!

Quote from: giveballaghback on April 11, 2015, 12:31:06 PM
Ye always think ye are going to win the all-ireland so nothing new there.

Apart from me. I honestly don't think I'll see it.

Never pegged Sylferus as a member of the fairer sex http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-trials-of-being-a-diehard-rossie-in-divided-ballaghaderreen-1.2707167 (http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-trials-of-being-a-diehard-rossie-in-divided-ballaghaderreen-1.2707167)

The Rossies of Ballaghaderreen who support their County team ( Ros) are the real heroes.
If we win Sunday let it be dedicated to them.

Quote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2016, 05:28:23 PM
The Rossies of Ballaghaderreen who support their County team ( Ros) are the real heroes.
If we win Sunday let it be dedicated to them.

Yeah, who would they be like, Jesus or someone?

Whats the deal with a Rossie born in Ballagh who's parents are from Ballagh too, can he play for Roscommon under the parentage rule or is he not allowed as Ballagh is in Mayo according to the GAA?

Ballaghaderreen is Mayo per GAA rules.
He'd have to move to somewhere in the rest of Ros and transfer to the local club there.
The True Rossies set up a club called St John's many years ago but were blocked from affiliating to Ros Co Board by the Rhubarbs/Galway and fcukn Laythrum reps on the Connacht Council.
>:( >:( >:( >:(

Quote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2016, 05:38:55 PM
Ballaghaderreen is Mayo per GAA rules.
He'd have to move to somewhere in the rest of Ros and transfer to the local club there.
The True Rossies set up a club called St John's many years ago but were blocked from affiliating to Ros Co Board by the Rhubarbs/Galway and fcukn Laythrum reps on the Connacht Council.
>:( >:( >:( >:(

Sean Kilbride had to leave his home club just to play for his home county. Fûcking nonsense. Luckily it meant we never had to see the sight of Senan or Ian kicking over the winning point for Mayo in an AI final. Shudder.

Quote from: Syferus on July 08, 2016, 05:44:47 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2016, 05:38:55 PM
Ballaghaderreen is Mayo per GAA rules.
He'd have to move to somewhere in the rest of Ros and transfer to the local club there.
The True Rossies set up a club called St John's many years ago but were blocked from affiliating to Ros Co Board by the Rhubarbs/Galway and fcukn Laythrum reps on the Connacht Council.
>:( >:( >:( >:(

Sean Kilbride had to leave his home club just to play for his home county. Fûcking nonsense. Luckily it meant we never had to see the sight of Senan or Ian kicking over the winning point for Mayo in an AI final. Shudder.

You'll be a while waiting for Senan to kick it.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2016, 05:48:38 PM

Quote from: Syferus on July 08, 2016, 05:44:47 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2016, 05:38:55 PM
Ballaghaderreen is Mayo per GAA rules.
He'd have to move to somewhere in the rest of Ros and transfer to the local club there.
The True Rossies set up a club called St John's many years ago but were blocked from affiliating to Ros Co Board by the Rhubarbs/Galway and fcukn Laythrum reps on the Connacht Council.
>:( >:( >:( >:(

Sean Kilbride had to leave his home club just to play for his home county. Fûcking nonsense. Luckily it meant we never had to see the sight of Senan or Ian kicking over the winning point for Mayo in an AI final. Shudder.

You'll be a while waiting for Senan to kick it.

You'd be waiting longer than infinity for your boys to do it.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on July 08, 2016, 05:15:13 PM
Never pegged Sylferus as a member of the fairer sex http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-trials-of-being-a-diehard-rossie-in-divided-ballaghaderreen-1.2707167 (http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-trials-of-being-a-diehard-rossie-in-divided-ballaghaderreen-1.2707167)

That's the future Mrs Syferus.

Ah, for Christ's sake, the whining and moaning is starting up all over again! ;D ;D ;D

For a person from Ballagh with pretensions to being a journalist, yer wan got one crucial fact wrong near the beginning and after that she goes from bad to worse.

"Ballaghaderreen moved from Co Mayo to Co Roscommon in 1898, but the town's GAA club refused to move."

That's what she wrote, and, going by the howls we get here from time to time, it seems lots of her fellow sheepophiles believe that.

To begin with, Ballagh did opt to transfer to Roscommon.  (The club name then was "Faugh A Ballagh.")
The record shows that it played in the Roscommon championship for one year and then transferred back to Mayo, vowing to never return.
The official records don't reveal the reason for this change of county but I did have a civilised conversation with Turlough O' Carolan, one intelligent Rossie who used to be active here some years ago and he put me on the right track. Turlough knew that Roscommon clubs didn't fancy playing against the newcomer as it was able to bate the f**k out of each and every one of them,. So they ganged up on the new arrival and basically threw it out.
I took it from there and was able to piece the true story together.


Another thing, if I was a sheepshagger, the last thing I'd go about moaning in public about would be Ballagh refusing to play football with Roscommon. I'd be too embarrassed to let it be known that they prefer playing in Mayo- doesn't say much for the standard of football in Roscommon, does it?

Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2016, 09:07:49 PM
Ah, for Christ's sake, the whining and moaning is starting up all over again! ;D ;D ;D

For a person from Ballagh with pretensions to being a journalist, yer wan got one crucial fact wrong near the beginning and after that she goes from bad to worse.

"Ballaghaderreen moved from Co Mayo to Co Roscommon in 1898, but the town's GAA club refused to move."

That's what she wrote, and, going by the howls we get here from time to time, it seems lots of her fellow sheepophiles believe that.

To begin with, Ballagh did opt to transfer to Roscommon.  (The club name then was "Faugh A Ballagh.")
The record shows that it played in the Roscommon championship for one year and then transferred back to Mayo, vowing to never return.
The official records don't reveal the reason for this change of county but I did have a civilised conversation with Turlough O' Carolan, one intelligent Rossie who used to be active here some years ago and he put me on the right track. Turlough knew that Roscommon clubs didn't fancy playing against the newcomer as it was able to bate the f**k out of each and every one of them,. So they ganged up on the new arrival and basically threw it out.
I took it from there and was able to piece the true story together.


Another thing, if I was a sheepshagger, the last thing I'd go about moaning in public about would be Ballagh refusing to play football with Roscommon. I'd be too embarrassed to let it be known that they prefer playing in Mayo- doesn't say much for the standard of football in Roscommon, does it?

Does a hostage's preferences matter to the captor?

The problem is not about the rhubarbs in ballagh, they can play with  and support Mayo to their hearts content and no rossie will have any issue with that.
Its the denial of a players right to play with his native county if he wishes to do so. Thats the issue, no more, no less.

Shairoze Akram and Andy Moroon have Stockholm syndrome that is a fact.
Genuinely they don't want to leave there captors for fear of being told there never going to win Sam as rhubarb.

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Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2016, 05:48:38 PM

Quote from: Syferus on July 08, 2016, 05:44:47 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2016, 05:38:55 PM
Ballaghaderreen is Mayo per GAA rules.
He'd have to move to somewhere in the rest of Ros and transfer to the local club there.
The True Rossies set up a club called St John's many years ago but were blocked from affiliating to Ros Co Board by the Rhubarbs/Galway and fcukn Laythrum reps on the Connacht Council.
>:( >:( >:( >:(

Sean Kilbride had to leave his home club just to play for his home county. Fûcking nonsense. Luckily it meant we never had to see the sight of Senan or Ian kicking over the winning point for Mayo in an AI final. Shudder.

You'll be a while waiting for Senan to kick it.

You'd be waiting longer than infinity for your boys to do it.

I gave up hope in 2010 to be honest. And last year confirmed it.

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 08, 2016, 09:56:59 PM
The problem is not about the rhubarbs in ballagh, they can play with  and support Mayo to their hearts content and no rossie will have any issue with that.
Its the denial of a players right to play with his native county if he wishes to do so. Thats the issue, no more, no less.

I've a serious question for you. I've tried asking your fellow countymen on this board the same question and all I got/get in return is dogs' abuse, tempered with a touch of paranoia, flavoured with a dollop of self-delusion.
The Ballagh club is a unit of the GAA, right?
Therefore it open for membership and can't or doesn't operate a closed a closed door policy.
In common or garden English and anyone in the parish may feel free to join it.
Am I correct so far?
So, how come there isn't a pro-Rossie majority by now?

Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Yeah, but I'm still no wiser.
The folk who want to play in Mayo must be in the minority.  Therefore, it's a mystery to be that they still control the club.
Don't get me wrong here. I am happy to have Ballagh play with us but if membership is open to all in the parish, how come the minority still remain in control of the club?
Surely there must be more pro-rossies than anti-rossies in the club's catchment area.

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2016, 02:05:07 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

I'm led to believe that the split in the town between Mayo & Roscommon people is about 50:50 so I assume there is a 50:50 split in the Ballaghaderreen senior team?

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 13, 2016, 02:13:38 PM

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Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Well the Rossies third biggest town was "land grabbed" from a neighboring county purely for financial reasons too, just in case you didn't know

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 13, 2016, 02:13:38 PM

Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2016, 02:05:07 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Sweet jaysus, back to the annual, never ending debate.
I say debate loosely because when talking to rossies on the subject they have no interest in really discussing the matter, all they want is 'to give Ballagh back'.
Well as a Mayo Ballagh man with roots in the area going back generations I can tell them we want Ballagh given back too...... back to Mayo.
The example of Athlone was put to the rossies. A really relevant example and it gets dodged by them. What rossies are protesting about with the ross side of Athlone is exactly what Mayo ballaghs would have done in 1898 if they got the chance but Dillon didn't give them one. He made the decision while we were under British rule and in their infinite wisdom the GAA didn't acknowledge the change, thank feck. He moved Ballagh to Ross for cheaper rates and also so rates could be paid in Castlerea and not Swinford. Back then that slightly shorter distance meant a lot.
Lar to answer your question about why the Ross majority ruled GAA club haven't stoked the flames again, the answer is simple. The GAA club has a large Mayo majority. Of the 2012 county winning team only one lad of the starting 15 would consider himself a rossie supporter. Back in 2008 the captain was a Ross supporter and that's it.
The staunch GAA families have long, proud Mayo roots. A lot of people that move into the area with no affiliation either way see that the town is in Mayo for football so they support Mayo. The rossies in Ballagh tend to have parents from 'the real Roscommon', Frenchpark, Tibohine, Ballinagare, Lisacul, Loughlynn etc. They carry on supporting Ross as makes sense but they're not originally Ballagh people. I even know a few lads whose parents were from Roscommon but they still support Mayo as they are brighter than the average rossie and it makes sense in more ways that one!

Ballaghrhus are typical of the lower classes - no fkn ambition, just want to stay rooted in mediocrity and ignorance for the rest of their miserable lives.
Neanwhile Ros Co Co will take away their excretions, provide them with water to drink and wash with for the few who do, give them good footpaths to walk on, a library for those who can read and a fire service for when they burn the fine Ros Co Co houses we give them.
Ungrateful? Of course they are but like the black sheep of any family we have a sort of duty to look after them.

Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2016, 04:40:16 PM
Ballaghrhus are typical of the lower classes - no fkn ambition, just want to stay rooted in mediocrity and ignorance for the rest of their miserable lives.
Neanwhile Ros Co Co will take away their excretions, provide them with water to drink and wash with for the few who do, give them good footpaths to walk on, a library for those who can read and a fire service for when they burn the fine Ros Co Co houses we give them.
Ungrateful? Of course they are but like the black sheep of any family we have a sort of duty to look after them.

Oh please take us ingrates off your hands and send us back to the home of Achill, Croagh Patrick and the Moy so we never have to associate with the majestic wonders of Roscommon, Boyle and the suck (very aptly named for the county it's in) again!

Sad to see a big County bullying a smaller one in this matter

Balalghman talking sense but only  got a ridiculous reply to deflect from the truth. The loudest ros gobshites from the town , usually never had much to with the club  wouldnt be GAA people either nor did their parents and are much more at home out the road ten miles.  Id have great respect for the few gaa people who are rossies and in the modern world we live in they should be given a choice if theyre county standard. Not many would fit that category in my time maybe desie lynch and at a push gary conway because ros were poor when he was in his prime . After that id struggle to think of anyone. Andy was always going to play with Mayo no matter what the noisey lot say.

Quote from: Ballaghman on July 13, 2016, 05:09:51 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2016, 04:40:16 PM
Ballaghrhus are typical of the lower classes - no fkn ambition, just want to stay rooted in mediocrity and ignorance for the rest of their miserable lives.
Neanwhile Ros Co Co will take away their excretions, provide them with water to drink and wash with for the few who do, give them good footpaths to walk on, a library for those who can read and a fire service for when they burn the fine Ros Co Co houses we give them.
Ungrateful? Of course they are but like the black sheep of any family we have a sort of duty to look after them.

Oh please take us ingrates off your hands and send us back to the home of Achill, Croagh Patrick and the Moy

Off over the N5 with ye. Plenty of space over there for Mayo CoCo to build a refugee camp for ye :-*
Of course they'll tell ye to go back to ye're own County if Roscommon and apply to the Council there for housing.

Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2016, 04:40:16 PM
Ballaghrhus are typical of the lower classes - no fkn ambition, just want to stay rooted in mediocrity and ignorance for the rest of their miserable lives.
Neanwhile Ros Co Co will take away their excretions, provide them with water to drink and wash with for the few who do, give them good footpaths to walk on, a library for those who can read and a fire service for when they burn the fine Ros Co Co houses we give them.
Ungrateful? Of course they are but like the black sheep of any family we have a sort of duty to look after them.

What a load of bollix!
I'm beginning to think you have no more sense than your nemesis and that's bad, real bad.
All the bull waffle in the world doesn't hide the fact that not a single Rossie who wants (demands?) that Ballgh be forced to play in Roscommon, has answered a particularly simple question to date.
Why have the pro-Rossies in the club's catchment area failed ro out breed the pro-Mayos in the catchment area?
I asked this question in my last post, as I have asked several times before when the predictable bawling and moaning started once again.

What has the county council to do with football?
Do ye want to mount an economic blockade on the place until they surrender and give up their democratic to play football in a place of their choosing?
Obviously, Ballaghman is telling it as it is. There's a strong pro-Mayo majority in the area—there can be no other logical answer and when you sheepophiles don't get yer own way, ye start to bitch and demand that we give ye back something that we never took.

I told ye ungodly lot before that Ballagh affiliated with the Roscommon CB at the time of the border revision. (They were called Faugh A Bealach back then.) They were kicked out before the first year was up because they were winning all around them so they reverted to Mayo, swearing that they'd never return.
Six generation after, they show no signs of relenting.




(Given what passed for football last Sunday, who could blame them?) 

Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2016, 02:27:52 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 13, 2016, 02:13:38 PM

Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2016, 02:05:07 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Well the Rossies third biggest town was "land grabbed" from a neighboring county purely for financial reasons too, just in case you didn't know

the landlord and traders moved the town willingly into Roscommon.
It wasn't annexed.

John Dillon, one-time leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party at Westminster and MP for East Mayo, decided his home town Ballaghaderreen should be moved from Mayo into Roscommon.
It was 1898 and local authority boundaries were being redrawn.
At a meeting he and other traders in the town (Dillon owned the large Monica Duff & Co Ltd business) decided they wanted the map redrawn so Ballaghaderreen could be included in Roscommon, where rates were lower than in Mayo.
He moved a private members' motion to that effect at Westminster and it was done.

they couldn't wait to get out of Mayo!

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Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Well the Rossies third biggest town was "land grabbed" from a neighboring county purely for financial reasons too, just in case you didn't know

the landlord and traders moved the town willingly into Roscommon.
It wasn't annexed.

John Dillon, one-time leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party at Westminster and MP for East Mayo, decided his home town Ballaghaderreen should be moved from Mayo into Roscommon.
It was 1898 and local authority boundaries were being redrawn.
At a meeting he and other traders in the town (Dillon owned the large Monica Duff & Co Ltd business) decided they wanted the map redrawn so Ballaghaderreen could be included in Roscommon, where rates were lower than in Mayo.
He moved a private members' motion to that effect at Westminster and it was done.

they couldn't wait to get out of Mayo!

Lol----that's even worse than what was proposed in Athlone

One person, in order to line his own pockets, made the decision and had his buddies rubberstamp it while the local Mayo peasantry were told to go fvck themselves.

Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2016, 06:53:25 PM
the local Mayo peasantry were told to go fvck themselves.

And proper order too  :D

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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 13, 2016, 02:13:38 PM

Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2016, 02:05:07 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Well the Rossies third biggest town was "land grabbed" from a neighboring county purely for financial reasons too, just in case you didn't know

the landlord and traders moved the town willingly into Roscommon.
It wasn't annexed.

John Dillon, one-time leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party at Westminster and MP for East Mayo, decided his home town Ballaghaderreen should be moved from Mayo into Roscommon.
It was 1898 and local authority boundaries were being redrawn.
At a meeting he and other traders in the town (Dillon owned the large Monica Duff & Co Ltd business) decided they wanted the map redrawn so Ballaghaderreen could be included in Roscommon, where rates were lower than in Mayo.
He moved a private members' motion to that effect at Westminster and it was done.

they couldn't wait to get out of Mayo!

<sigh>

I don't think anyone will dispute this but you omitted the fact that the GAA club, Faugh A Bealach made the move as well. That I'm afraid is something the "We want Ballagh back" brigade never admit. After less than a year, the club asked to be re-affiliated with the Mayo CB once again as they were not made welcome in Roscommon.
That has been on the public record for years- back to the time the sheepophiles first started posting their laments on this board.
This is a democracy and the views of the majority of club members should be considered. If the majority want to stay where they are, who can blame them?

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Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Well the Rossies third biggest town was "land grabbed" from a neighboring county purely for financial reasons too, just in case you didn't know

the landlord and traders moved the town willingly into Roscommon.
It wasn't annexed.

John Dillon, one-time leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party at Westminster and MP for East Mayo, decided his home town Ballaghaderreen should be moved from Mayo into Roscommon.
It was 1898 and local authority boundaries were being redrawn.
At a meeting he and other traders in the town (Dillon owned the large Monica Duff & Co Ltd business) decided they wanted the map redrawn so Ballaghaderreen could be included in Roscommon, where rates were lower than in Mayo.
He moved a private members' motion to that effect at Westminster and it was done.

they couldn't wait to get out of Mayo!

<sigh>

I don't think anyone will dispute this but you omitted the fact that the GAA club, Faugh A Bealach made the move as well. That I'm afraid is something the "We want Ballagh back" brigade never admit. After less than a year, the club asked to be re-affiliated with the Mayo CB once again as they were not made welcome in Roscommon.
That has been on the public record for years- back to the time the sheepophiles first started posting their laments on this board.
This is a democracy and the views of the majority of club members should be considered. If the majority want to stay where they are, who can blame them?

The local club's real name was Fág an Bollocks. The bollocks in question was Dillon.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 13, 2016, 07:28:10 PM

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Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Well the Rossies third biggest town was "land grabbed" from a neighboring county purely for financial reasons too, just in case you didn't know

the landlord and traders moved the town willingly into Roscommon.
It wasn't annexed.

John Dillon, one-time leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party at Westminster and MP for East Mayo, decided his home town Ballaghaderreen should be moved from Mayo into Roscommon.
It was 1898 and local authority boundaries were being redrawn.
At a meeting he and other traders in the town (Dillon owned the large Monica Duff & Co Ltd business) decided they wanted the map redrawn so Ballaghaderreen could be included in Roscommon, where rates were lower than in Mayo.
He moved a private members' motion to that effect at Westminster and it was done.

they couldn't wait to get out of Mayo!

<sigh>

I don't think anyone will dispute this but you omitted the fact that the GAA club, Faugh A Bealach made the move as well. That I'm afraid is something the "We want Ballagh back" brigade never admit. After less than a year, the club asked to be re-affiliated with the Mayo CB once again as they were not made welcome in Roscommon.
That has been on the public record for years- back to the time the sheepophiles first started posting their laments on this board.
This is a democracy and the views of the majority of club members should be considered. If the majority want to stay where they are, who can blame them?

I'd like to see the historical reference for that claim - not being welcome

Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2016, 06:53:25 PM

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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 13, 2016, 02:13:38 PM

Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2016, 02:05:07 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Well the Rossies third biggest town was "land grabbed" from a neighboring county purely for financial reasons too, just in case you didn't know

the landlord and traders moved the town willingly into Roscommon.
It wasn't annexed.

John Dillon, one-time leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party at Westminster and MP for East Mayo, decided his home town Ballaghaderreen should be moved from Mayo into Roscommon.
It was 1898 and local authority boundaries were being redrawn.
At a meeting he and other traders in the town (Dillon owned the large Monica Duff & Co Ltd business) decided they wanted the map redrawn so Ballaghaderreen could be included in Roscommon, where rates were lower than in Mayo.
He moved a private members' motion to that effect at Westminster and it was done.

they couldn't wait to get out of Mayo!

Lol----that's even worse than what was proposed in Athlone

One person, in order to line his own pockets, made the decision and had his buddies rubberstamp it while the local Mayo peasantry were told to go fvck themselves.

higher rents = higher rents for tenants
so technically, the tenants would be better off. somehow

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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 13, 2016, 06:34:32 PM

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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 13, 2016, 02:13:38 PM

Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2016, 02:05:07 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 13, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Well the Rossies third biggest town was "land grabbed" from a neighboring county purely for financial reasons too, just in case you didn't know

the landlord and traders moved the town willingly into Roscommon.
It wasn't annexed.

John Dillon, one-time leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party at Westminster and MP for East Mayo, decided his home town Ballaghaderreen should be moved from Mayo into Roscommon.
It was 1898 and local authority boundaries were being redrawn.
At a meeting he and other traders in the town (Dillon owned the large Monica Duff & Co Ltd business) decided they wanted the map redrawn so Ballaghaderreen could be included in Roscommon, where rates were lower than in Mayo.
He moved a private members' motion to that effect at Westminster and it was done.

they couldn't wait to get out of Mayo!

<sigh>

I don't think anyone will dispute this but you omitted the fact that the GAA club, Faugh A Bealach made the move as well. That I'm afraid is something the "We want Ballagh back" brigade never admit. After less than a year, the club asked to be re-affiliated with the Mayo CB once again as they were not made welcome in Roscommon.
That has been on the public record for years- back to the time the sheepophiles first started posting their laments on this board.
This is a democracy and the views of the majority of club members should be considered. If the majority want to stay where they are, who can blame them?

I'd like to see the historical reference for that claim - not being welcome

It's here:
"Mayo : history and society : interdisclipinary essays on the history of an Irish county / editors Gerard Moran and Nollaig O Muraile "
However, I'd go to a library if I were you as it costs around €80 to buy over the counter.
Maybe a better idea would be to check for a poster named Turlough O Carolan who was active on this board a few years ago. Turlough was a Rossie and we had a few discussion on the Ballagh affair. He knew the real story and went into some detail on the subject.


PS. Just realised that Shrewdness, another sensible Rossie, brought up the subject in the last episode of the Ballagh saga. He hasn't been active in recent months.

Most of the alickadoos in the Ballagh GAA club are out and out Mayo and many are blowins too. Many of the Ros folk from town have had nothing to do with club for many years, including myself but I support their historical right to affiliate with Mayo. Personally, I supported St. Bridget's when they met Ballagh in Connacht final. When I pay my Club Rossie membership, I remind them I have no club when they ask for club attribution. There's a lot in similar boat and Club Rossie does well in Ballagh. But a shocking state of affairs that we cannot represent our own county.

Gas they are well able to apply for funding from Roscommon County Council and Roscommon Sports Partnership though. Have their cake and eat it springs to mind.
And willing to compete in Roscommon for the likes of Community Games.

Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
Most of the alickadoos in the Ballagh GAA club are out and out Mayo and many are blowins too. Many of the Ros folk from town have had nothing to do with club for many years, including myself but I support their historical right to affiliate with Mayo. Personally, I supported St. Bridget's when they met Ballagh in Connacht final. When I pay my Club Rossie membership, I remind them I have no club when they ask for club attribution. There's a lot in similar boat and Club Rossie does well in Ballagh. But a shocking state of affairs that we cannot represent our own county.

That's the bit that interests me.
What's stopping people with your POV from joining the club and, in time, forming the majority?
I mean no offence to you or any other Rossie but this seems to be a case of having your bread and wanting to eat it.

Surely, there are more pro-Rossies than anti-Rossies in the club's catchment area. After 6 generations you should surely have managed to out-breed them and assume control in a democratic way and none of the shyte about bringing the County Council into it. They have no authority to treat any group in the county in any other fashion that all other areas within their jurisdiction.

Lar you should know that long term GAA officialdom will always get their way over any attempts at "democracy".
All that's required is that Ballagh players be able to play for either Ros or Mayowestros.
If the proposed St. John's had been allowed affiliate to Ros Co Board all the bitterness etc would be history now.
Anyway we have a CONNACHT FINAL to be talking about so we'll leave it at that.

Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
Most of the alickadoos in the Ballagh GAA club are out and out Mayo and many are blowins too. Many of the Ros folk from town have had nothing to do with club for many years, including myself but I support their historical right to affiliate with Mayo. Personally, I supported St. Bridget's when they met Ballagh in Connacht final. When I pay my Club Rossie membership, I remind them I have no club when they ask for club attribution. There's a lot in similar boat and Club Rossie does well in Ballagh. But a shocking state of affairs that we cannot represent our own county.

Why don't you start your own GAA club in Ballagh?

Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 14, 2016, 10:26:57 AM

Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
Most of the alickadoos in the Ballagh GAA club are out and out Mayo and many are blowins too. Many of the Ros folk from town have had nothing to do with club for many years, including myself but I support their historical right to affiliate with Mayo. Personally, I supported St. Bridget's when they met Ballagh in Connacht final. When I pay my Club Rossie membership, I remind them I have no club when they ask for club attribution. There's a lot in similar boat and Club Rossie does well in Ballagh. But a shocking state of affairs that we cannot represent our own county.

Why don't you start your own GAA club in Ballagh?

They tried that.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 14, 2016, 10:26:57 AM

Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
Most of the alickadoos in the Ballagh GAA club are out and out Mayo and many are blowins too. Many of the Ros folk from town have had nothing to do with club for many years, including myself but I support their historical right to affiliate with Mayo. Personally, I supported St. Bridget's when they met Ballagh in Connacht final. When I pay my Club Rossie membership, I remind them I have no club when they ask for club attribution. There's a lot in similar boat and Club Rossie does well in Ballagh. But a shocking state of affairs that we cannot represent our own county.

Why don't you start your own GAA club in Ballagh?

they tried that

Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 14, 2016, 10:26:57 AM

Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
Most of the alickadoos in the Ballagh GAA club are out and out Mayo and many are blowins too. Many of the Ros folk from town have had nothing to do with club for many years, including myself but I support their historical right to affiliate with Mayo. Personally, I supported St. Bridget's when they met Ballagh in Connacht final. When I pay my Club Rossie membership, I remind them I have no club when they ask for club attribution. There's a lot in similar boat and Club Rossie does well in Ballagh. But a shocking state of affairs that we cannot represent our own county.

Why don't you start your own GAA club in Ballagh?

They tried that

Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2016, 09:15:32 AM
Lar you should know that long term GAA officialdom will always get their way over any attempts at "democracy".
All that's required is that Ballagh players be able to play for either Ros or Mayowestros.
If the proposed St. John's had been allowed affiliate to Ros Co Board all the bitterness etc would be history now.
Anyway we have a CONNACHT FINAL to be talking about so we'll leave it at that.

I hate labouring the point but I still haven't found out why the pro-Rossie faction hasn't been able to take control of the club
after six generations of complaining.

(BTW. I'm not trying to rise anybody.  I'm genuinely curious. I've been commissioned (ie I expect to be paid) to write a book on the history of Mayo football and the Ballagh Enigma will have to feature strongly.
As you say, ye have a Connacht Final to worry about and as I don't expect any Rossie to come up with a logical answer to my question, I'll also leave it at that.

PS As always, good luck on Sunday. ;D

Thanks Lar.
I suppose as lads only play football for a few short years as adults and just go with the club management flow.
Most non playing adults have more things to worry about than what competitions the local club plays in.
The long term GAA offeeshuls have ways of keeping things the way they want them.
The Ros zealots gave up on that brick wall years ago and met a thicker wall when they tried to set up their own club.
Now they join club Rossie and ignore the local club.

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Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 14, 2016, 10:26:57 AM

Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
Most of the alickadoos in the Ballagh GAA club are out and out Mayo and many are blowins too. Many of the Ros folk from town have had nothing to do with club for many years, including myself but I support their historical right to affiliate with Mayo. Personally, I supported St. Bridget's when they met Ballagh in Connacht final. When I pay my Club Rossie membership, I remind them I have no club when they ask for club attribution. There's a lot in similar boat and Club Rossie does well in Ballagh. But a shocking state of affairs that we cannot represent our own county.

Why don't you start your own GAA club in Ballagh?

They tried that.

when was that and how come it didn't work?

Got shot down by mayo cb, leitrim and galway i think. Not sure on that.

If i remember rightly they were using a pitch that used to be beside the old convent school.(makes me feel very old saying all that, i can remember shiftin them convent girleens, no mixed school back then, in that very field manys a year ago now )

Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 14, 2016, 11:34:08 AM

Quote from: larryin89 on July 14, 2016, 10:44:10 AM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 14, 2016, 10:26:57 AM

Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
Most of the alickadoos in the Ballagh GAA club are out and out Mayo and many are blowins too. Many of the Ros folk from town have had nothing to do with club for many years, including myself but I support their historical right to affiliate with Mayo. Personally, I supported St. Bridget's when they met Ballagh in Connacht final. When I pay my Club Rossie membership, I remind them I have no club when they ask for club attribution. There's a lot in similar boat and Club Rossie does well in Ballagh. But a shocking state of affairs that we cannot represent our own county.

Why don't you start your own GAA club in Ballagh?

They tried that.

when was that and how come it didn't work?

The first attempt by the Roscommon CB to force  the club to re-affiliate with it was in 1962.
The other four counties voted against them and that was that for more than 20 years.
I think the rationale was that the GAA, as a democratic institution, could not force the club to play in Roscommon against its will.
Sometime in the mid-800s, (I'm a bit woolly on the dates) an attempt was made to sanction the establishment of a separate, junior club in the parish, mainly to cater for players who wanted to play in Roscommon.
The Ballagh club objected, the Mayo CB backed them and the matter was brought to the provincial council.
This time Sligo voted with Roscommon but the application was defeated on a majority vote. Afterwards, the Connacht Council  decided to approach Central Council for a definitive ruling on the status of the Ballagh club.
This was done in an attempt to get an impartial,definitive decision and to prevent further rows breaking out on this matter.
THe CC's verdict was that Ballagh remain with Mayo and would not be forced to switch allegiances unless and until the CC approved by a two thirds majority.

(I think that, before a fresh application could be made, two thirds of the club's membership had to vote in favour of re-submitting the request.)

"To this day, when I go to my head for images or ideas they are all in Ballaghaderreen."

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/garry-hynes-human-condition-is-based-on-people-and-place-1.3157965

QuoteGardai investigate after milk van stolen in Ballaghaderreen
By Shannonside News - 10th July 2018

Gardai in Ballaghaderreen are investigating after a van delivering milk in the town was stolen from a filling station on Monday morning.

It's understood the milkman was delivering products to a premises on the Dublin road in the town at around 10am and while the van was left running outside, the vehicle was stolen.

No arrests have yet been made and the van has not yet been recovered.

Gardaí are appealing for any witnesses who were in the Dublin road area of Ballaghadereen at around 10am yesterday morning to contact them.

http://www.shannonside.ie/news/local/roscommon/gardai-investigate-milk-van-stolen-ballaghaderreen/

Probably an upset Mayo supporter.

I hear this fella is trying to round up a few quid quickly.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/solicitor-given-time-to-explain-101k-deduction-from-widowed-clients-estate-37072444.html

Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 03:49:37 PM
I hear this fella is trying to round up a few quid quickly.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/solicitor-given-time-to-explain-101k-deduction-from-widowed-clients-estate-37072444.html

He was the parents' solicitor and all. That's not even the worst case involving him that's cropped up:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/solicitor-repays-344-000-in-extortionate-fees-he-paid-himself-from-child-s-estate-1.3540317

Fianna Fáil background ::)

Why are the law allowed to regulate themselves?
Surely the gardai should be called in

It's "excessive fees" rather than law breaking?

There's something not right about this story and how its been reported.

This should really be a Prime Time debate. Shane Curran v Enda Kenny, etc.

Ballagh, along with other Mayo towns, gets a good mention in a Planxty song called 'The Pursuit of Farmer Michael Hayes'.
Ballagh was Mayo then and is Mayo now  ;D

https://www.christymoore.com/lyrics/the-pursuit-of-farmer-michael-hayes/ (https://www.christymoore.com/lyrics/the-pursuit-of-farmer-michael-hayes/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBrerQVJSm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBrerQVJSm8)

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They searched the train at Oranmore as she was leavin' for Athlone,
Every wagon, car and coach they met along the road.
Connemara being remote, they thought 'twas there I might resort;
As they were gettin' weary they resolved to try Mayo.

In Ballaghaderreen they has to rest until the hounds they were refreshed.
They then went on to Westport and searched it high and low.
Through Castlebar they made a trot when they heard I was in Castlerock,
Still they were deluded where I lodged the night before.

In Swinford town as I lay down, I heard a dreadful cry of hounds
Which filled me with the notion to retaliate my chase.
Being weary from the road, I took a drink at half past four
Which filled me heart with strength and speed when the hounds were gettin' slow.

Quote from: Tubberman on July 11, 2018, 03:19:37 PM
Ballagh, along with other Mayo towns, gets a good mention in a Planxty song called 'The Pursuit of Farmer Michael Hayes'.
Ballagh was Mayo then and is Mayo now  ;D

https://www.christymoore.com/lyrics/the-pursuit-of-farmer-michael-hayes/ (https://www.christymoore.com/lyrics/the-pursuit-of-farmer-michael-hayes/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBrerQVJSm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBrerQVJSm8)

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They searched the train at Oranmore as she was leavin' for Athlone,
Every wagon, car and coach they met along the road.
Connemara being remote, they thought 'twas there I might resort;
As they were gettin' weary they resolved to try Mayo.

In Ballaghaderreen they has to rest until the hounds they were refreshed.
They then went on to Westport and searched it high and low.
Through Castlebar they made a trot when they heard I was in Castlerock,
Still they were deluded where I lodged the night before.

In Swinford town as I lay down, I heard a dreadful cry of hounds
Which filled me with the notion to retaliate my chase.
Being weary from the road, I took a drink at half past four
Which filled me heart with strength and speed when the hounds were gettin' slow.

I take back my love of Christy >:(

I know a lad from Ballagh bought a new car a few months ago.
Reg no 181RN***.

Surely most of the lads who play for Ballaghaderren must consider themselves to be Rossies?

Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
I know a lad from Ballagh bought a new car a few months ago.
Reg no 181RN***.

And out to almost Carracastle the same car reg is for new cars!!!...


Is Ballagh still as rough on weekend nights.  It seemed like the wild west some years ago

Have all the green and red flags in town been taken down and replaced with primrose and blue ones yet?

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2018, 04:41:14 PM
Have all the green and red flags in town been taken down and replaced with primrose and blue ones yet?

Pavements and gable ends painted from one end to the other in keeping with traditions up north......

John o'mahoney spotted in his latest club Rossie polo shirt  doing his bit late at night ........ the wheel is turning slowly......


From what I know of Ballagh club anyone  who really wanted to play for western gaels  wasnt forced to p,ay for Ballagh in recent times anyways