Retain the Super 8’s series?

Started by BennyCake, August 06, 2019, 02:44:32 PM

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Are you in favour of retaining the Super 8's series?

Yes
22 (31.9%)
No, go back to knockout quarter finals
47 (68.1%)

Total Members Voted: 69

From the Bunker

Yes. It needs to be retained. Gives a county like Mayo two chances to lose Championship games and reach an All Ireland semi final where one of the most supported countries in the country get to spend more money and find out why they lost the two earlier games.

Champion The Wonder Horse

Yes, but provincial champions get home games in week 3.

Never beat the deeler

Would prefer if they were scrapped - not because of the mis-matches in the S8, or even because of the dead rubbers, but the whole Championship needs to run as if it were one competition, not something that was put together.

The addition of the S8 has put the entire thing out of whack.
When the qualifiers were introduced in 2001, Galway played 8 games, losing their second game to Roscommon.
No of days between games were 14, 27, 7, 15, 13, 22 & 28

This year, to compare like with like, compare Mayo's fixtures to Galway 2001. Mayo lost their second game to Roscommon
No of days between games were 20, 27, 7, 7, 8, 7, 13, 7 & 22

Mayo's first game is 15 days earlier and the final is 6 days earlier so there are an additional 2 games a timeframe of 1 week less.

The addition of the S8 and reduced turnarounds at the business end of the season has made it much more difficult to win from the qualifier route than when the qualifiers were originally drawn up. Of course, this makes the lopsided provinces more important.
The only logical way to deal with it would be to remove the provincial championships from the all-ireland series entirely - I would be in favour of scrapping them but not sure that would get enough support.
Hasta la victoria siempre

cuconnacht

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 09, 2019, 03:27:30 AM
Would prefer if they were scrapped - not because of the mis-matches in the S8, or even because of the dead rubbers, but the whole Championship needs to run as if it were one competition, not something that was put together.

The addition of the S8 has put the entire thing out of whack.
When the qualifiers were introduced in 2001, Galway played 8 games, losing their second game to Roscommon.
No of days between games were 14, 27, 7, 15, 13, 22 & 28

This year, to compare like with like, compare Mayo's fixtures to Galway 2001. Mayo lost their second game to Roscommon
No of days between games were 20, 27, 7, 7, 8, 7, 13, 7 & 22

Mayo's first game is 15 days earlier and the final is 6 days earlier so there are an additional 2 games a timeframe of 1 week less.

The addition of the S8 and reduced turnarounds at the business end of the season has made it much more difficult to win from the qualifier route than when the qualifiers were originally drawn up. Of course, this makes the lopsided provinces more important.
The only logical way to deal with it would be to remove the provincial championships from the all-ireland series entirely - I would be in favour of scrapping them but not sure that would get enough support.
Attaboy   ;) ;D

Never beat the deeler

Quote from: cuconnacht on August 09, 2019, 06:14:14 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 09, 2019, 03:27:30 AM
Would prefer if they were scrapped - not because of the mis-matches in the S8, or even because of the dead rubbers, but the whole Championship needs to run as if it were one competition, not something that was put together.

The addition of the S8 has put the entire thing out of whack.
When the qualifiers were introduced in 2001, Galway played 8 games, losing their second game to Roscommon.
No of days between games were 14, 27, 7, 15, 13, 22 & 28

This year, to compare like with like, compare Mayo's fixtures to Galway 2001. Mayo lost their second game to Roscommon
No of days between games were 20, 27, 7, 7, 8, 7, 13, 7 & 22

Mayo's first game is 15 days earlier and the final is 6 days earlier so there are an additional 2 games a timeframe of 1 week less.

The addition of the S8 and reduced turnarounds at the business end of the season has made it much more difficult to win from the qualifier route than when the qualifiers were originally drawn up. Of course, this makes the lopsided provinces more important.
The only logical way to deal with it would be to remove the provincial championships from the all-ireland series entirely - I would be in favour of scrapping them but not sure that would get enough support.
Attaboy   ;) ;D
;)
Hasta la victoria siempre

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

BennyCake

What a load of balls.

So, Tyrone v Cork in Portlaoise will have more fans than Tyrone v Cork in Croke Park?

Plus, surely if Dublin are playing home matches at Croke Park, then isn't 6 days notice too short? What if there's a concert, hurling, etc there?

The Super 8's have failed. Stop flogging that dead horse.

seafoid

The paradox of the GAA is that there aren't 8 decent teams because of the imbalance in funding.
The whole thing needs to be reset.

What do the GAA actually want ? Do they want a championship or just loads of Dubs playing football instead of soccer?

The Super 8s haven't helped average attendances either.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Rossfan

Youd have a great series between teams 2 to 9 and send Dublin off to the Australian FL.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Blowitupref

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2019, 11:54:57 AM
The paradox of the GAA is that there aren't 8 decent teams because of the imbalance in funding.
The whole thing needs to be reset.

What do the GAA actually want ? Do they want a championship or just loads of Dubs playing football instead of soccer?

The Super 8s haven't helped average attendances either.

It hasn't and one of the prime reasons it was introduced was to improve attendance figures. Those at the top shot themselves in the foot though with the price of tickets and then you have the price hike on semi finals. Round robin group games should have package deal of say 60 to see all three games.

The top tiers in Croke Park and the canal end shouldn't be the same price as the middle/lower of the Cussack and hogan stand. GAA must be one of the few sports that price its tickets like that?

Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Solo_run

#55
I find it bizarre that we have the resemblance of a league format after a straight knock-out competition only to go back to a straight knock out. I do not think the overall format of the All Ireland helps weaker teams develop as many of them will only get 2 games a season. In addition to this, a lot of counties don't even get the opportunity to play football in Croke Park.

Why not start off with a 4 Divisional championships that consists of 8 teams, top 4 in each division stay in the All Ireland and progress to straight knock out competition. The bottom 4 are placed in a 2nd tier championship.

- Counties are the seeded based on their previous years performance or on league performance. If it were to be based on previous years performance there may be an incentive for teams to perform in a 2nd tier competition.
- Each division consists of 2 tier 1,2,3 and 4 teams.

Counties that finish in positions 5-8 of their divisional championship could then be placed in a second tier championship if the GAA are serious about pushing this.

Benefits

> Many counties will get to play more than 2 games in the championship
> Evens out games played in the championship
> Gives lower ranked teams the opportunity to play at Croke Park
> Opportunity to develop county teams





Esmarelda

The thread has turned into yet another "what the inter-county championship should look like" thread.

What's interesting is that the new fixtures' committee is doing its work with the president hopeful that a second-tier championship will be in place, yet with the "Super 8s" due to finish up next year after its three year experiment, has any guidance been given to this committee with regards to how the last eight teams will compete from 2020 onwards?

Has it crossed the president's mind I wonder.


Rossfan

If the Tier 2 comes in presumably Tier 1 will have a 1st Round with 8 teams, then a 2nd Round where the Provincial losers play the 4 Round 1 winners?
That Committee was told to come up with 3 sets of Proposals and not be afraid of "sacred cows" in doing so.
I expect they started with Tommy Kenoy's Blank sheet and are taking it from there.

Of course the Committee should have been set up 3 years ago to Review e everything.
Instead we had a few one offs ..
1 we decided to tighten up the Inter Co Championship schedules
2 we decided to add 2 Rounds to the SFC
3 The Hurley crowd got concerned then and added 3 extra rounds to the Provincial SHCs.
4 Uachtarán CLG pushed for a T2 SFC to come in 2 thirds of the way through the new SFC.
And then we set up a Review Committee.. 
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Fear ón Srath Bán

Quote from: BennyCake on August 16, 2019, 11:41:52 AM
What a load of balls.

So, Tyrone v Cork in Portlaoise will have more fans than Tyrone v Cork in Croke Park?

Plus, surely if Dublin are playing home matches at Croke Park, then isn't 6 days notice too short? What if there's a concert, hurling, etc there?

The Super 8's have failed. Stop flogging that dead horse.

Tyrone vs Cork 2018 was in Carlow, and it's debatable whether the crowd would have been any bigger in Croke  ;)

I think T Ó Sé's argument makes sense -- we're being flung around the parishes (not even the provinces any more) with these Super 8 fixtures already, and in any case, what matter if venues are in flux until after the first game of the Super 8s?

Though do agree that the whole Super 8s thing needs to be reviewed, and sharpish.
Carlsberg don't do Gombeenocracies, but by jaysus if they did...

ballinaman

Where's a long winded Padraic Duffy "everything's great festival of football " interview when you need one!