2023 National Football League Division 4

[Spiritof86]

Wicklow could seek I  yet .

Yes they're certainly building momentum. Leitrim in Carrick is big. Win that and ball back in our court .

[Spiritof86]

No major surprise yesterday in Carrick . Game management is nonexistent . Even when when we scored 6 in a row you always knew Leitrim were going to score every time they got forward.
Huge lack of depth on the panel and a couple of forwards carrying us . But we already know all this . Billy will be gone this summer and we start again .

Division 4 is our level and promotion is very much out of our hands regardless of London result .

Hope Lowry is ok . Looked a nasty old knock . 

[Junior Ex Laoistalk]

If Wicklow beat Waterford which they will and we beat London then it all depends on the result of Sligo and Leitrim.
If Leitrim win then ourselves and Leitrim go up. If Sligo win then we are stuck in Div4 for another year.

[Spiritof86]

If Wicklow beat Waterford which they will and we beat London then it all depends on the result of Sligo and Leitrim.
If Leitrim win then ourselves and Leitrim go up. If Sligo win then we are stuck in Div4 for another year.

What happens if Leitrim and Sligo draw ?

[imtommygunn]

Depends on how Wicklow and Laois end up. If a draw happens and both Wicklow and Laois win Wicklow go up on head to head.

[Laois Rising]

Another year of Division 4 football to look forward to next year. In the modern game of football you need to be able to bring on 4/5 players from about 20 minutes to go to add legs and impetus to a team. Last year Billy was criticized for not using/trusting his bench more. We ended up losing points in tight games to Limerick and Antrim where we were perhaps slow to make changes. Again, yesterday we saw Laois slow to bring on subs even though conditions weren't great and players were clearly fatigued. It can't be hugely motivating for those on the panel but outside the starting 15 to stay positive and keep giving the required commitment knowing that the management team doesn't have a whole lot of faith in you.

[Spiritof86]

Hope that No4 from Leitrim is reprimanded and this just doesn't get brushed under the table . The fact this is division 4 the chances are slim.

[BallyroanAbu]

No major surprise yesterday in Carrick . Game management is nonexistent . Even when when we scored 6 in a row you always knew Leitrim were going to score every time they got forward.
Huge lack of depth on the panel and a couple of forwards carrying us . But we already know all this . Billy will be gone this summer and we start again .

Division 4 is our level and promotion is very much out of our hands regardless of London result .

Hope Lowry is ok . Looked a nasty old knock .

That chestnut of this is our level, no it's not not.  This has been a farce since last year but no one as yet has the balls to pull it.

[Tier2]

Still a good chance this weekend but irrespective of the result this isn't the manager to lead us into next year regardless of it being in div 4 or 3.
Unbelievable lack of defensive structure only Waterford have more goals conceded.
Ref brought the ball up on numerous occasions due to mouthing from players but as a player if all you see is your manager doing the same then it becomes the norm.
Hopefully Eoin Lowry makes a speedy recovery.

[Spiritof86]

No major surprise yesterday in Carrick . Game management is nonexistent . Even when when we scored 6 in a row you always knew Leitrim were going to score every time they got forward.
Huge lack of depth on the panel and a couple of forwards carrying us . But we already know all this . Billy will be gone this summer and we start again .

Division 4 is our level and promotion is very much out of our hands regardless of London result .

Hope Lowry is ok . Looked a nasty old knock .

That chestnut of this is our level, no it's not not.  This has been a farce since last year but no one as yet has the balls to pull it.

This is our level and we need to accept it . This is years of neglect accumulating and hitting us right in the boll***s . Very little talent coming through which was clearly evident yesterday by the substitutions .
Billy been out of his depth is irrelevant . The foundations were there under Sugrue somewhat and plan in place which was dismissed .
So yes this is our level and we are cementing it .

[Sideline12]

Very little talent coming through,
That tell me the coaches in our clubs
and county are not up to the there job
so it's time for a change.

[on the hop]

it was a tough watch yesterday with a heavy pitch, bad weather and a very fussy referee. the team didn't seemed dialled in at all for such an important game, the result of which greatly damages our chances of getting out of this group. they were up for it, their backs especially niggly and eventually they paid for this by going down to 13 players. wexford had done us a favour the night before with the last minute free against wicklow which had they missed would have buried us. the game itself was really of a poor standard marked by moments of some great scores but neither at present are really going anywhere. leitrim, i didn't think were great especially defensively and you would be hoping sligo will have too much for them as a very sporadic laois attack managed to get 18 scores against them. london had already hit them for 1-15, wexford 0-19 and even a fairly dismal waterford got 0-11 and they had been doing well on an ability to get goals before yesterday. we unfortunately never looked like getting one which probably could have got us over the line. our system of really playing four scoring forwards up only succeeds when all are pitching in, far too often in this league we have relied on good individual performances like barry yesterday, lowry against waterford and kingston earlier in the league. in such a poor quality division some players should be doing much better especially in terms of getting goals in open play.

with this in mind, the concession of two very stoppable goals really gave them something to play for and got them over the line. the first goal came from greene getting slipped by a very tricky and fast corner forward who squared it across to the on rushing dangerman for a tap in. i felt sorry for greene as he spent most of the game with no defensive cover in front of him, which made it easy for them to ping the ball in front of his opponent. tactically you would have to ask why both paddy o sullivan and the two wing backs were more often every where bar where they should have been, in byrne's and o flynn's case they were mostly tracking their men but o sullivan's positioning in the centre was bizarre. maybe they felt they had to do this with the dangerman beirne mostly at centre forward but it freed up a lot of space down that wing. the second goal as confirmed on the footage was a run straight down the middle after most of the team got caught on the wrong side from a breaking ball and nobody could either catch or impede the midfielder. the lack of pace in areas of the spine of the team will reoccur again when the ground gets firmer and the sweeper system is not being applied consistently if that's the way we are going to go. strangely having played a very defensive structure in some of the early games against weaker teams, we played a slightly more open system today unfortunately not to our detriment.

its hard to know where we are going, we possibly could get promoted but are relying on others and the odds aren't currently in our favour. with the few injuries, the panel is very weak and we have a tough few months ahead of us.

[Unlaoised]

I still think we will go up leitrim might be Sligo

[Spiritof86]

I still think we will go up leitrim might be Sligo

Yes would like to think that . There won't be much in it . Sligo going there won't be any deterrent to them .

[Butch Cassidy]

When you see what Louth are achieving it puts to bed the lack of underage success as an excuse. I don't believe there is a proper defensive structure in place and it's killing the team and that's on Billy and his management team. Do Laois have a defence coach?