Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023

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intheknowhow

Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2023, 02:26:51 PMWell done Cullyhanna, 3rd tier of Armagh beating top tier from Cavan.

Ballyhaise are Intermediate, in Cavan that's second tier. First tier in Cavan is Senior football. Ballyhaise will be there next year.

Ballyhaise didn't press their advantage and got caught. Cullyhanna played better in those vital final moments. Well done to them.

Your like a broken record defending your counties structures. Everyone understands your structure...
 
Just not the fairness that 3 x Div 1 teams represented Cavan this year. It's bizarre

Itchy

Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2023, 02:26:51 PMWell done Cullyhanna, 3rd tier of Armagh beating top tier from Cavan.

Ballyhaise are Intermediate, in Cavan that's second tier. First tier in Cavan is Senior football. Ballyhaise will be there next year.

Ballyhaise didn't press their advantage and got caught. Cullyhanna played better in those vital final moments. Well done to them.

Your like a broken record defending your counties structures. Everyone understands your structure...
 
Just not the fairness that 3 x Div 1 teams represented Cavan this year. It's bizarre

The irony, you never stop talking shite about it despite it being the same structure as in the vast vast majority of counties in Ireland. Well done to Cullyhanna, they looked bet out the gate until Ballyhaise gifted them a goal but they were the best team when it mattered in the last 5 minutes. Ballyhaise have a name for being bottlers and throwing that final away will be a very hard pill to swallow.

bennydorano

Who do the Cullies play now? Hardly b4 Christmas?

Captain Obvious


Westside

Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2023, 02:26:51 PMWell done Cullyhanna, 3rd tier of Armagh beating top tier from Cavan.

Ballyhaise are Intermediate, in Cavan that's second tier. First tier in Cavan is Senior football. Ballyhaise will be there next year.

Ballyhaise didn't press their advantage and got caught. Cullyhanna played better in those vital final moments. Well done to them.

Your like a broken record defending your counties structures. Everyone understands your structure...
 
Just not the fairness that 3 x Div 1 teams represented Cavan this year. It's bizarre

Div 1 league. League and Championship aren't linked in Cavan.
As I've said, if we linked them we'd have sent Denn to Junior this year, they won it 2 years ago and Killygarry a top 4 Senior side would be going to Intermediate next year. They would be stronger than Arva and Ballyhaise.

There would be perceived lack of "fairness" either way.

intheknowhow

Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:51:06 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2023, 02:26:51 PMWell done Cullyhanna, 3rd tier of Armagh beating top tier from Cavan.

Ballyhaise are Intermediate, in Cavan that's second tier. First tier in Cavan is Senior football. Ballyhaise will be there next year.

Ballyhaise didn't press their advantage and got caught. Cullyhanna played better in those vital final moments. Well done to them.

Your like a broken record defending your counties structures. Everyone understands your structure...
 
Just not the fairness that 3 x Div 1 teams represented Cavan this year. It's bizarre

Div 1 league. League and Championship aren't linked in Cavan.
As I've said, if we linked them we'd have sent Denn to Junior this year, they won it 2 years ago and Killygarry a top 4 Senior side would be going to Intermediate next year. They would be stronger than Arva and Ballyhaise.

There would be perceived lack of "fairness" either way.

And what's wrong with that?

I would argue the link is in fact your allowing teams play high standard of football.. if Arva had of played div 3 league they would not have the champ

Playing better opposition improves a team

Westside

Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:51:06 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2023, 02:26:51 PMWell done Cullyhanna, 3rd tier of Armagh beating top tier from Cavan.

Ballyhaise are Intermediate, in Cavan that's second tier. First tier in Cavan is Senior football. Ballyhaise will be there next year.

Ballyhaise didn't press their advantage and got caught. Cullyhanna played better in those vital final moments. Well done to them.

Your like a broken record defending your counties structures. Everyone understands your structure...
 
Just not the fairness that 3 x Div 1 teams represented Cavan this year. It's bizarre

Div 1 league. League and Championship aren't linked in Cavan.
As I've said, if we linked them we'd have sent Denn to Junior this year, they won it 2 years ago and Killygarry a top 4 Senior side would be going to Intermediate next year. They would be stronger than Arva and Ballyhaise.

There would be perceived lack of "fairness" either way.

And what's wrong with that?

I would argue the link is in fact your allowing teams play high standard of football.. if Arva had of played div 3 league they would not have the champ

Playing better opposition improves a team

If playing higher Division improved Arva that much they wouldn't have been stuck in Junior for 2 years.
Ballyhaise wouldn't have been Intermediate for 4 years.

Some counties do things differently. Your way isn't any more fair than ours. Get over it.

tonto1888

Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2023, 02:50:08 PMWho do the Cullies play now? Hardly b4 Christmas?

Jan 6th I think. Dunno who

Captain Obvious

#698
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2023, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2023, 02:50:08 PMWho do the Cullies play now? Hardly b4 Christmas?

Jan 6th I think. Dunno who

Allenwood Kildare on that date in the All Ireland semi final.

bennydorano

Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2023, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2023, 02:50:08 PMWho do the Cullies play now? Hardly b4 Christmas?

Jan 6th I think. Dunno who

Allenwood Kildare on the that date in the All Ireland semi final.
They'll not be soft with John doyle still doing a bit of starring. Hopefully a good day on a good pitch,  Croke Park would suit a team like Cullyhanna so much.

clarshack

#700
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2023, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2023, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2023, 02:50:08 PMWho do the Cullies play now? Hardly b4 Christmas?

Jan 6th I think. Dunno who

Allenwood Kildare on that date in the All Ireland semi final.

Intermediate and Junior semis are on the weekend of 6th/7th January.

Armagh18

Well done to Cullyhanna. Well deserved. Haven't a clue what any of the other provincial winners will be like but Munster generally very good. Take a strong strong team to beat Cullyhanna though.

clarshack

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Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 07:16:42 PMWell done to Cullyhanna. Well deserved. Haven't a clue what any of the other provincial winners will be like but Munster generally very good. Take a strong strong team to beat Cullyhanna though.

Will be a Cullyhanna v Cill Na Martra Final. Cill Na Martra finished 5th in Cork Division 1. Castlehaven finished 4th.  I mean what possible benefit could Cill Martra have playing the likes of Nemo Rangers in the league lol. Those Cork teams mentioned only have about 2-3 outfield players with the county panel so the standard is going to be high when they play each other in the league and so when one of them go to play in the provincial and All-Ireland Intermediate well then they are going to have a serious advantage no matter this sh*te about league and championship being separate.

Blowitupref

Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 07:46:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 07:16:42 PMWell done to Cullyhanna. Well deserved. Haven't a clue what any of the other provincial winners will be like but Munster generally very good. Take a strong strong team to beat Cullyhanna though.

Will be a Cullyhanna v Cill Na Martra Final. Cill Na Martra finished 5th in Cork Division 1. Castlehaven finished 4th.  I mean what possible benefit could Cill Martra have playing the likes of Nemo Rangers in the league lol. Those Cork teams mentioned only have about 2-3 outfield players with the county panel so the standard is going to be high when they play each other in the league and so when one of them go to play in the provincial and All-Ireland Intermediate well then they are going to have a serious advantage no matter this sh*te about league and championship being separate.

You put too much thought into league competitions which isn't taken that serious with loads of players missing for one reason or another.

Stand out for Cill Na Martra was taking out Milltown Castlemaine against the odds so will be favourites to win the intermediate AI for that one championship result alone.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Ciarrai_thuaidh

Quote from: clarshack on December 10, 2023, 07:46:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2023, 07:16:42 PMWell done to Cullyhanna. Well deserved. Haven't a clue what any of the other provincial winners will be like but Munster generally very good. Take a strong strong team to beat Cullyhanna though.

Will be a Cullyhanna v Cill Na Martra Final. Cill Na Martra finished 5th in Cork Division 1. Castlehaven finished 4th.  I mean what possible benefit could Cill Martra have playing the likes of Nemo Rangers in the league lol. Those Cork teams mentioned only have about 2-3 outfield players with the county panel so the standard is going to be high when they play each other in the league and so when one of them go to play in the provincial and All-Ireland Intermediate well then they are going to have a serious advantage no matter this sh*te about league and championship being separate.
But league and championship ARE completely separate. What about that is so hard to understand?

Cill na Martra only won the Intermediate A (4th tier) in Cork in 2019 I think it was - and they had a hard time winning the premier intermediate also, losing a few semi finals.

In Kerry this year you had Ballymacelligott, a team who reached the top half of division 1, losing the Junior final to Listowel who did well to survive in Division 2.

League form from February to May has some relevance but things can change massively with county players returning, extra effort from students who aren't away in college and other factors. I really don't know how anybody can fail to understand this.
"Better to die on your feet,than live on your knees"...