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#1
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 25, 2024, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 25, 2024, 08:35:21 PM
Quote from: Westside on February 25, 2024, 04:54:02 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 25, 2024, 04:13:33 PMCavan beat Louth by a point in Ardee. After leading by 6 at one stage. Tight game, on a tight heavy field. Never saw such a poor reffing performance (hate talking about refs) but clear from early he was losing control of this match and it turned into farce at times. Huge brawl, off the ball hits and all sorts. 3 sent off. Happy to just get out of there with 2 points

A massive brawl with several strikes and headlocks with lads dragged to the ground dangerously.

Yet two of the red cards were for harmless tangles.

That said, James and Oisin only have themselves to blame. James in particular let the team down. We looked comfortable at that point.
Slightly harsh possibly. Look, they shouldn't have reacted. But both lads were targeted all game, especially when they got cards. Ref lost control that way. Louth lads knew they could go after and look for a reaction and ref would do nothing. Only did something once they got that reaction. Like what on earth was the keeper doing up inside our 45 going at Brady when he was trying to leave the field?

They'll know themselves they shouldn't have reacted. We'll support them and move on with a win. We're learning more and more every game

The linesmen are to blame too. James got a yellow for the reaction but the linesman clearly saw the Louth player cling to his leg on the ground and continually drag and push him off the ball in the few seconfs before he reacted, yet it went unpunished.

It's easy talking from the line, I appreciate that. But retaining composure off the ball and not giving the ref an easy decision to send you off should be a basic contribution to the team. And I'd say the same for Faulkner and Gunner last week.
#2
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 25, 2024, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 25, 2024, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: Westside on February 25, 2024, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 25, 2024, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2024, 04:34:49 PMToo the surprise of nobody Donegal v Armagh finishes in a draw.

Both sides will be happy with that result, should guarantee promotion for both. Cavan will feel as if they are still in with an outside chance but we have them at home so I'd expect to win that.

Has much changed from a Cavan point of view? We needed to beat Armagh to go up anyway, that hasn't changed.

It's still theoretically in Cavans hands if they win all their games. Providing we beat Cavan at home though we only need a draw from our 2 remaining matches to guarantee promotion.

I still don't see how the draw today should guarantee promotion for Armagh. If they lose to Cavan it was going to drastically reduce their chances of promotion. That was true regardless of their result today.
#3
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 25, 2024, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 25, 2024, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2024, 04:34:49 PMToo the surprise of nobody Donegal v Armagh finishes in a draw.

Both sides will be happy with that result, should guarantee promotion for both. Cavan will feel as if they are still in with an outside chance but we have them at home so I'd expect to win that.

Has much changed from a Cavan point of view? We needed to beat Armagh to go up anyway, that hasn't changed.
#4
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 25, 2024, 04:54:02 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on February 25, 2024, 04:13:33 PMCavan beat Louth by a point in Ardee. After leading by 6 at one stage. Tight game, on a tight heavy field. Never saw such a poor reffing performance (hate talking about refs) but clear from early he was losing control of this match and it turned into farce at times. Huge brawl, off the ball hits and all sorts. 3 sent off. Happy to just get out of there with 2 points

A massive brawl with several strikes and headlocks with lads dragged to the ground dangerously.

Yet two of the red cards were for harmless tangles.

That said, James and Oisin only have themselves to blame. James in particular let the team down. We looked comfortable at that point.
#5
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 04, 2024, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2024, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: Westside on February 04, 2024, 10:00:07 PMTeams faking injury to break momentum and run down the clock isn't new, but a referee not adding on that time and essentially rewarding the behaviour is annoying. It takes a special effort of bad refereeing to have both the winning and losing teams approaching the ref to complain at full time.

Cavan paid Donegal a bit too much respect I thought and we should have been more forceful on the press when they were down to 14. Instead we stood off them a bit and ended up a point further behind in that period. When we went at them in the second half, we caused lots of problems. A few mistakes and poor individual performances let us down. We just didn't have a forward of Gallen's calibre.

Cavan play Cork in 2 weeks in what will be a huge game for both sides.

How many quick kick outs for both teams did he stop because the ball wasn't lined up with the goals! Maybe 4 or 5 kickouts. He was terrible. And I'm not blaming him for the loss other than I think we would've got that score if he'd recorded the time properly. Cavan need to do some major work on retaining our own kick outs and we need to unearth a Full Back if Faulkner and Clarke are playing out the field.

Yeah we didn't compete well for breaking ball around the middle when we went long. A really good kickout strategy needs to be in place if we're going to play the type of football Ray is aiming for.

Are Eoin Clarke or Evan Crowe on the panel? Clarke clearly doesn't have the legs for midfield anymore. I'd leave him at full back.
#6
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
February 04, 2024, 10:00:07 PM
Teams faking injury to break momentum and run down the clock isn't new, but a referee not adding on that time and essentially rewarding the behaviour is annoying. It takes a special effort of bad refereeing to have both the winning and losing teams approaching the ref to complain at full time.

Cavan paid Donegal a bit too much respect I thought and we should have been more forceful on the press when they were down to 14. Instead we stood off them a bit and ended up a point further behind in that period. When we went at them in the second half, we caused lots of problems. A few mistakes and poor individual performances let us down. We just didn't have a forward of Gallen's calibre.

Cavan play Cork in 2 weeks in what will be a huge game for both sides.
#7
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023
January 18, 2024, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 18, 2024, 09:20:56 PMThen they aren't a division 1 side are they?

Bingo.
#8
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023
January 18, 2024, 09:17:07 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 18, 2024, 04:57:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2024, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 18, 2024, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 18, 2024, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 18, 2024, 03:12:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2024, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 18, 2024, 06:59:53 AMyou could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose
Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it ;D

Seems fair. Say what you want about leagues but you wouldn't let a Div 1 inter county team play the Tailteann Cup

If a Div 1 side got relegated and ended up outside of the top 16 and didn't make a provincial final, where would you "put them"?
#9
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 05:23:46 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 15, 2024, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 15, 2024, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 15, 2024, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:24 PMNo starred games in Cavan?, where there's a means or playing without county players and not losing points?

Another gripe of the club player losing out when the county 'keep' the players for so long, the preference it seems will always be with the 1% club rather than the 99% of games/players

Like I said, there shouldn't be ay argument on teams entering their own championships at whatever level they can, based on their county by/laws

But once you enter the provincial stage you can't be a div 1 team playing in your provinces championships at intermediate level or div 2 at Junior level.

Either you have aspirations of getting better in you county or dropping leagues within your county so that you can perform (should you win your title) in the All Ireland series

You shouldn't be able to do both, complaining that county players are not available isn't a hinderance, at least you have county players, a lot of clubs that enter junior or intermediate haven't any starters or panelists
No idea what that means.

Can't comment on other counties but in Arva's case they finished bottom of Division 1 and should have been relegated in any proper league format. The team that did get relegated had 9 points I think and joint 5th from bottom. So was it a Cavan by/law or GAA protocol caused this anomaly?

Like I said I can't understand what some are trying to fix here. There's plenty needs fixing in GAA, but getting knickers in a twist over formats and over complicating things should not be high on the list, if on it at all.

What's the point in the league then? You are devaluing it ... maybe Arva spotter he loophole.. work the league for a few years. We all know you better better playing better teams... it's no coincidence the all Ireland is won by div 1 teams and senior club championships are won by division 1 teams..
To suggest they lost a Junior final as they discovered some 'loophole' is madness. They lost the Division 2 final (which oddly saw them promoted) and hardly went into Junior saying, sure look, we got relegated last year, let's lose this so we can win it next year instead after a Division 1 campaign. I cannot believe you typed out what you did

What I said was they targeted the league, this would have huge benefit over the years! Bad teams don't play Div 1 football. They get better and learn at a higher level. This has paid dividends this year playing better opposition and winning the junior champ.

They will prob win intermediate

"Targeted the league" My christ.

Do yourself a favour, quit looking for the grand plan. It doesn't exist.
#10
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:45:38 PM
Quote from: Westside on January 14, 2024, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 14, 2024, 03:31:24 PMGood win by Arva. A senior team playing Junior.

Won everything handy this year.

Brady very good. Drove forward well in the second half. A change of mindset at half-time helped Arva greatly.


Oh you have to understand playing div 1 football in Cavan means nothing... it didn't help Arva at all apparently.. they should have just played reserve football league

A first team can't play any lower than Div 3 in Cavan. Arva play Div 1 league in Cavan. It's not connected to Championship. Arva are Junior Championship.

Correct. I'm merely stating that them playing div 1 football has been a significant advantage for them. Do you think they would have won today playing div 3?

Yeah I'm sure playing Div 1 has stood to them to some extent. Then again they were the whipping boys of Div 1 and ambushed Ballinagh in the relegation playoff to stay up. Other counties' teams can play intermediate championship and do well one year, play Junior Championship the next year becauee of league position. Can't do that in Cavan. Swings and roundabouts.

#11
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 14, 2024, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 14, 2024, 03:31:24 PMGood win by Arva. A senior team playing Junior.

Won everything handy this year.

Brady very good. Drove forward well in the second half. A change of mindset at half-time helped Arva greatly.


Oh you have to understand playing div 1 football in Cavan means nothing... it didn't help Arva at all apparently.. they should have just played reserve football league

A first team can't play any lower than Div 3 in Cavan. Arva play Div 1 league in Cavan. It's not connected to Championship. Arva are Junior Championship.
#12
Fair play to Arva, things looked ominous at half time. That's a legendary performance by the Holla. In truth, they should have won by more.

I thought the ref gave Listowel all the calls in the first half and Arva all the calls in the second. We've had a hundred hard luck stories in Cavan, great to see the rub of the green going our way.

#13
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 06, 2024, 05:06:58 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 06, 2024, 05:04:37 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2024, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 06, 2024, 03:24:23 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 06, 2024, 02:54:51 PM
Quote from: general_lee on January 06, 2024, 02:50:36 PMCongratulations Cullyhanna, some going for a club that was languishing in the 3rd tier of Armagh league football this year to reach an AI Intermediate final.

Well done to the Division 1 Cavan team as well, another moral-boosting hammering for them in the AI Junior Championship. Warm favourites for the final you'd imagine.
Case in point right here
Had enough of it the last time to do me. We'll have to agree to disagree. Best wishes to both Arva and Cullyhanna for their finals.
Agreed. They are where they are. Every season you'll always get a few clubs who drop down to a level below their real position, that's life in graded competitions. We move on

Then what's the point of having intermediate and junior? Arva were Ulster champions before a ball was thrown in in the Cavan junior championship.. What wasn't known was the teams who'd be the other part of the turkey shoot. A monumental waste of time for every other participant (with the exception of the Kerry 'junior' reps)
What??? Look bro, you're must gonna have to accept they were in Junior on merit. They got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and only won Junior in 2023 after they didn't win it on 2022. They're in the Championship they found themselves in on Championship results. Mad how some of you can't grasp this

You are as bad as them for continously biting.

Would you let Galway, mayo, Monaghan etc play Tailteann cup?

Dublin, cork, Waterford play Christy ring?

We all know they are not linked etc. but this is exactly what happened.

If Galway, Mayo or Monaghan got relegated to the bottom 16 on league standing and then didn't make a provincial final, they would play Tailteann. It's not a case of being "let" do anything.

Fair play to Arva, what a wonderful journey for a small club to be on. Listowel will be a different animal to what they've faced so far.
#14
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023
December 10, 2023, 03:05:06 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:51:06 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2023, 02:26:51 PMWell done Cullyhanna, 3rd tier of Armagh beating top tier from Cavan.

Ballyhaise are Intermediate, in Cavan that's second tier. First tier in Cavan is Senior football. Ballyhaise will be there next year.

Ballyhaise didn't press their advantage and got caught. Cullyhanna played better in those vital final moments. Well done to them.

Your like a broken record defending your counties structures. Everyone understands your structure...
 
Just not the fairness that 3 x Div 1 teams represented Cavan this year. It's bizarre

Div 1 league. League and Championship aren't linked in Cavan.
As I've said, if we linked them we'd have sent Denn to Junior this year, they won it 2 years ago and Killygarry a top 4 Senior side would be going to Intermediate next year. They would be stronger than Arva and Ballyhaise.

There would be perceived lack of "fairness" either way.

And what's wrong with that?

I would argue the link is in fact your allowing teams play high standard of football.. if Arva had of played div 3 league they would not have the champ

Playing better opposition improves a team

If playing higher Division improved Arva that much they wouldn't have been stuck in Junior for 2 years.
Ballyhaise wouldn't have been Intermediate for 4 years.

Some counties do things differently. Your way isn't any more fair than ours. Get over it.
#15
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023
December 10, 2023, 02:51:06 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 10, 2023, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 10, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2023, 02:26:51 PMWell done Cullyhanna, 3rd tier of Armagh beating top tier from Cavan.

Ballyhaise are Intermediate, in Cavan that's second tier. First tier in Cavan is Senior football. Ballyhaise will be there next year.

Ballyhaise didn't press their advantage and got caught. Cullyhanna played better in those vital final moments. Well done to them.

Your like a broken record defending your counties structures. Everyone understands your structure...
 
Just not the fairness that 3 x Div 1 teams represented Cavan this year. It's bizarre

Div 1 league. League and Championship aren't linked in Cavan.
As I've said, if we linked them we'd have sent Denn to Junior this year, they won it 2 years ago and Killygarry a top 4 Senior side would be going to Intermediate next year. They would be stronger than Arva and Ballyhaise.

There would be perceived lack of "fairness" either way.