Installing a stove

[heffo]

So skimming inside with a rough coat is option 1.

What about if I wanted to get a load of old tiles either mosiac or from a salvage yard - would I still need to skim it to tile over?

Can you get a roll of stuff that looks like brickwork that you can stick on if you wanted?

Entirely personal choice for the finish. If finishing in tiles you could just tile onto the scratch coat. Wouldn't both skimming if tiling.

I can see the outline of the brick inside the hearth - does that mean there is no scratch coat??

[Tony Baloney]

So skimming inside with a rough coat is option 1.

What about if I wanted to get a load of old tiles either mosiac or from a salvage yard - would I still need to skim it to tile over?

Can you get a roll of stuff that looks like brickwork that you can stick on if you wanted?

Entirely personal choice for the finish. If finishing in tiles you could just tile onto the scratch coat. Wouldn't both skimming if tiling.

I can see the outline of the brick inside the hearth - does that mean there is no scratch coat??

If the bricks are nice can you not clean them up and use them? If not forget talk of a scratchcoat, you could tile on anything.

[Ulick]

Some f**king about there lads. Bit of fireboard cut to size and battened into underside of chimney flue. Cut a hole for the stove pipe, stick stovepipe thru as far into the chimney as it'll go and then seal with fire cement around the join. Tenner all in.

Ah, but you can't clean the chimney that way.

[heffo]

So skimming inside with a rough coat is option 1.

What about if I wanted to get a load of old tiles either mosiac or from a salvage yard - would I still need to skim it to tile over?

Can you get a roll of stuff that looks like brickwork that you can stick on if you wanted?

Entirely personal choice for the finish. If finishing in tiles you could just tile onto the scratch coat. Wouldn't both skimming if tiling.

I can see the outline of the brick inside the hearth - does that mean there is no scratch coat??

If the bricks are nice can you not clean them up and use them? If not forget talk of a scratchcoat, you could tile on anything.

The bricks are in decent shape alright but there is a hole on the right hand side pipes (going to the old gas boiler I assume)

[Tony Baloney]

Some f**king about there lads. Bit of fireboard cut to size and battened into underside of chimney flue. Cut a hole for the stove pipe, stick stovepipe thru as far into the chimney as it'll go and then seal with fire cement around the join. Tenner all in.

Ah, but you can't clean the chimney that way.

The sweep has already cleaned it from inside the stove. It's not ideal but he gets paid to worry about it. You went for the full engineering solution!

[Ulick]

This is mine. I just used a stone tile over the top of a rough skim. The only thing to look out for is to get an expandable grout.

[heffo]

This is mine. I just used a stone tile over the top of a rough skim. The only thing to look out for is to get an expandable grout.

Very nice Ulick - do you need an expandable grout because of the heat and if so, do you need this for all types of tiles?

[Ulick]

The sweep has already cleaned it from inside the stove. It's not ideal but he gets paid to worry about it. You went for the full engineering solution!

Aye, had to do a lot of research to be confident I was doing it right as most people I got quotes from were telling me how essential it was I got chimney liners and all that in case I poisoned the whole family. Quare job in the winter, glad I went for it in the end. We have that one in the kitchen and an open fire in the living room. Built myself a wood store in the back garden for seasoning logs after that and then the wife got me a chain saw. Saving a clean fortune now just burning old logs and pallets.

[Ulick]

Very nice Ulick - do you need an expandable grout because of the heat and if so, do you need this for all types of tiles?

Yeah, just for the heat. All tiles as far as I know, even ceramic are cured in a kiln so there shouldn't be any problems with them.

[heffo]

Very nice Ulick - do you need an expandable grout because of the heat and if so, do you need this for all types of tiles?

Yeah, just for the heat. All tiles as far as I know, even ceramic are cured in a kiln so there shouldn't be any problems with them.

Good stuff cheers.

[Tony Baloney]

The sweep has already cleaned it from inside the stove. It's not ideal but he gets paid to worry about it. You went for the full engineering solution!

Aye, had to do a lot of research to be confident I was doing it right as most people I got quotes from were telling me how essential it was I got chimney liners and all that in case I poisoned the whole family. Quare job in the winter, glad I went for it in the end. We have that one in the kitchen and an open fire in the living room. Built myself a wood store in the back garden for seasoning logs after that and then the wife got me a chain saw. Saving a clean fortune now just burning old logs and pallets.

The father in law chops trees down round the farm and seasons the wood so always a plentiful supply.

You'll have competition for pallets this time of year

[Tony Baloney]

The sweep has already cleaned it from inside the stove. It's not ideal but he gets paid to worry about it. You went for the full engineering solution!

Aye, had to do a lot of research to be confident I was doing it right as most people I got quotes from were telling me how essential it was I got chimney liners and all that in case I poisoned the whole family. Quare job in the winter, glad I went for it in the end. We have that one in the kitchen and an open fire in the living room. Built myself a wood store in the back garden for seasoning logs after that and then the wife got me a chain saw. Saving a clean fortune now just burning old logs and pallets.

We were told all the auld bollix about liners too and with the price of metal they were stupid money so didn't bother. When the stove was installed and the fire was sparked up and smoke started belching into the living room. Thought f**k there isn't much draw here. Tried again. Same.

Got the brother in law round with his rods and started rodding the chimney. Hit something hard - had to pull the stove back out again and literally a barrow load of rubble fell out of the chimney. Cnut of a builder had the chimney full of shit! Moral of the story is to clean the chimney first!

[Hardy]

How are you fixed for insurance if the chimney lining doesn't meet specification and you ever have to make a claim? I know somebody who spent a fortune on liners on a Victorian two-storey house with attic, his rationale being that he didn't want to take chances with insurance.

[Ulick]

Up here you can get a CORGI certified plumber/heating engineer out to inspect the installation or you could request building control to have a look. I actually had a jobsworth from local building control trying to tell me I needed approval from them (and she tried to tell me I needed to install a liner) while she was in to inspect something else. However when I pointed out to her that I hadn't changed the purpose and use of the fireplace and chimney (I replaced a fire with stove) and showed her the legislation online, she accepted it was none of her business.

[lawnseed]

Flue liners are only really necessary where the chimney is not already lined.  The very old brick built flues are liable to leak flue gases out or build up tar deposits on the rough inner surfaces.  You find them in house built mostly pre 1950's. 

Burning wood in your stoves will cause tar deposits if you don't let the stoves run hot enough.  However, pallets will be grand if little in terms of heat and low tar, fresh wood causes most bother, our continental cousins usually season the wood for at least one year but cut it to length when green.  The harder the wood, the greater the heat produced.  Tar deposits can produce carbon monoxide but the major problem is a chimney fire.  It can be avoided by using some of the products now on the market. 
http://www.fluesystems.com/sundries/info/cleaning_log.htm
typ you have hit the nail.. tar deposits are a serious problem with these type of stoves especially if you intend burning any shite you can get your hands on. i gathered loads of old logs and bigs roots of trees they mightened have been the dryest and in the beginning my stove was unreal i was able to keep a kettle of hot water on it.. gradually it got poorer until one evening i lit it and the next i knew smoke alarms all over the house were going off. i tried rodding out the chimney but found it difficult to get to push the brushes out the top. i got on the roof and looked into the chimney.. it was almost closed the hole was about the size of a sloither i had to get a lenght of steel rod and hammer the tar out of my liners i removed 3 builders buckets of solid tar. the stove is ok now back to her best but once a week i go for a serious burnout- dry pallets and some coal and blow the flames as hard as she'll go. i'm getting a co alarm