https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eamonn-fitzmaurice-reveals-the-chilling-letter-a-kerry-player-received-that-crossed-the-line-37195344.html
The question I have is why do these supporters bother? On the one hand though you have Kerry media going daft and driving this, they too, need to look at themselves.
Mayo's best friend Bernard Flynn reckons our manager is getting away with murder, yet again Bernard makes a poor judgement call.
Maybe in Mayo the reason our managers "get away with murder" is the fans aren't led on as much by the ex-players who themselves aren't really in position to be overly critical.
Kerry were perhaps expecting too much from their team this year and their fans led by their ex-player media team maybe need to put a lid on things going forward.
There should be a clear distinction made between managers who get paid vast sums of money and those who do it for the pride of their club/county.
Fitzmaurice was not getting paid and was a very level headed manager who actually had a far superior record than many other managers who receive decent money with only a fraction of the success.
I don't think it matters if you're getting paid. You should be able to walk down the road with your wife and kids without being booed by a shower of "animals".
Also Flynn is an awful tool. Has he ever been right about anything.
Quote from: Jayop on August 08, 2018, 11:03:16 AM
I don't think it matters if you're getting paid. You should be able to walk down the road with your wife and kids without being booed by a shower of "animals".
Also Flynn is an awful tool. Has he ever been right about anything.
In Kerry they have " faceless trolls " abusing the manager ,in Mayo we have Bernard Flynn.
QuoteIn Kerry they have " faceless trolls " abusing the manager ,in Mayo we have Bernard Flynn.
And Eamon Sweeney
I think Bernard Flynn loves trying his best to be controversial but to suggest that Rochford doesn't get enough criticism particularly with it being so topical at the moment was just plain daft.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2018, 12:05:04 PM
I think Bernard Flynn loves trying his best to be controversial but to suggest that Rochford doesn't get enough criticism particularly with it being so topical at the moment was just plain daft.
Rochford hasn't won a single bit of silverware in his three seasons, and Mayo have generally performed poorly in the championship and league under him. Given H&C were jettisoned after winning Connacht and forcing a replay with Dublin one season in it's hard to argue against Flynn on this one, whatever you think about him in general. The Mayo panel used their political capital getting Rochford and seem to have stuck themselves with a bit of a turkey.
Quote from: Syferus on August 08, 2018, 01:55:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2018, 12:05:04 PM
I think Bernard Flynn loves trying his best to be controversial but to suggest that Rochford doesn't get enough criticism particularly with it being so topical at the moment was just plain daft.
Rochford hasn't won a single bit of silverware in his three seasons, and Mayo have generally preformed poorly in the championship
and league under him. Given H&C were jettisoned after winning Connacht and forcing a replay with Dublin one season in it's hard to argue against Flynn on this one, whatever you think about him in general. The Mayo panel used their political capital getting Rochford and seem to have stuck themselves with a bit of a turkey.
**** troll alert this is not a drill ******
There are clearly a lot of people out there with empty, meaningless, lives who lack any sense of perspective regarding the relative importance of sports. Whether that is the Tyrone supporter who gobbed down on Karl Lacey, the eejit from Mayo a few years back who ran into the field to pursue the ref or the lowlifes sending abusive, anonymous letters to a man like Eamon Fitmaurice.
If your team wins, enjoy it. If they lose, take it on the chin, congratulate your opponent and get back to your real life... you know... the stuff that actually matters.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 08, 2018, 02:17:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 08, 2018, 01:55:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2018, 12:05:04 PM
I think Bernard Flynn loves trying his best to be controversial but to suggest that Rochford doesn't get enough criticism particularly with it being so topical at the moment was just plain daft.
Rochford hasn't won a single bit of silverware in his three seasons, and Mayo have generally preformed poorly in the championship
and league under him. Given H&C were jettisoned after winning Connacht and forcing a replay with Dublin one season in it's hard to argue against Flynn on this one, whatever you think about him in general. The Mayo panel used their political capital getting Rochford and seem to have stuck themselves with a bit of a turkey.
**** troll alert this is not a drill ******
**** he's not wrong though ******
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 08, 2018, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 08, 2018, 02:17:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 08, 2018, 01:55:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2018, 12:05:04 PM
I think Bernard Flynn loves trying his best to be controversial but to suggest that Rochford doesn't get enough criticism particularly with it being so topical at the moment was just plain daft.
Rochford hasn't won a single bit of silverware in his three seasons, and Mayo have generally preformed poorly in the championship
and league under him. Given H&C were jettisoned after winning Connacht and forcing a replay with Dublin one season in it's hard to argue against Flynn on this one, whatever you think about him in general. The Mayo panel used their political capital getting Rochford and seem to have stuck themselves with a bit of a turkey.
**** troll alert this is not a drill ******
**** he’s not wrong though ******
I can expect that kind of eejetry out of a rossie but from a self proclaimed mayo man??
does 2 all Ireland finals in 3 years not at least satisfy you ? apart from Dublin 'and them being the greatest team of all time and all that' who has a record like mayo over the last while?
should evry manager get sacked every year they don't reach an all Ireland final?
what Mayo need is a small rebuilding which is going to take place behind the white line anyway with buckley leaving to lose rochford as well would be a disaster
Kerry players aren't immune to dishing out criticism. Tomas O'Sé fairly went to town on Cian O'Neill. Different breed down there. A lot of self-entitlement.
Horan was on OTB this morning and was saying that he had a significant amount of hate mail from his time over Mayo including some stuff bad enough to have to report it to the Guards.
I have to say I'm pretty shocked that this wasn't an isolated thing in Kerry and that if it's happened there and in Mayo you can be pretty sure that it's happening in most counties. Thinking about it, it was naive of me to think it was just Fitzmorris. I'm sure Harte would have had his fair share just looking at some of the vitriol you real online about him. This saddens me that people, especially the three I just mentioned who are all doing it for their own counties would be getting abuse from lowlifes like these.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 08, 2018, 04:09:44 PM
Kerry players aren't immune to dishing out criticism. Tomas O'Sé fairly went to town on Cian O'Neill. Different breed down there. A lot of self-entitlement.
If this is as widespread as it's starting to look then I'm sure o'Neill had a few letters sent to him from within Kildare too.
Like who even writes letters anymore?
Quote from: Jayop on August 08, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 08, 2018, 04:09:44 PM
Kerry players aren't immune to dishing out criticism. Tomas O'Sé fairly went to town on Cian O'Neill. Different breed down there. A lot of self-entitlement.
If this is as widespread as it's starting to look then I'm sure o'Neill had a few letters sent to him from within Kildare too.
Like who even writes letters anymore?
Pony Express..
Quote from: J70 on August 08, 2018, 02:53:28 PM
There are clearly a lot of people out there with empty, meaningless, lives who lack any sense of perspective regarding the relative importance of sports. Whether that is the Tyrone supporter who gobbed down on Karl Lacey, the eejit from Mayo a few years back who ran into the field to pursue the ref or the lowlifes sending abusive, anonymous letters to a man like Eamon Fitmaurice.
If your team wins, enjoy it. If they lose, take it on the chin, congratulate your opponent and get back to your real life... you know... the stuff that actually matters.
In a nutshell, its only a game at the end of the day FFS.
It's happened a couple of our previous chairmen at club level. There is a lot of crazy out there.
Quote from: hardstation on August 08, 2018, 03:39:02 PM
Is his point not that the previous management achieved all that Rochford did and more but were given the road rather unfairly? Given the circumstances surrounding the appointment of Rochford, he needed to be winning Sam and certainly not regressing to a point where they are not even winning a provincial title as well as being damn lucky not to have been relegated from Division 1.
That’s what I’m reading from his post.
they were harshly treated but by them that had to deal with them. the players and if the players as a group are not happy things are not going to go in the right direction for long.
the only player to speak up for H&C had left the panel which is rare enough in mayo.
but to use that as a stick to beat rochford with is just stupid , If it was the wrong decision then Mayo should mavel at how lucky they were to have Rochford in a position to take over
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 08, 2018, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 08, 2018, 02:17:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 08, 2018, 01:55:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2018, 12:05:04 PM
I think Bernard Flynn loves trying his best to be controversial but to suggest that Rochford doesn't get enough criticism particularly with it being so topical at the moment was just plain daft.
Rochford hasn't won a single bit of silverware in his three seasons, and Mayo have generally preformed poorly in the championship
and league under him. Given H&C were jettisoned after winning Connacht and forcing a replay with Dublin one season in it's hard to argue against Flynn on this one, whatever you think about him in general. The Mayo panel used their political capital getting Rochford and seem to have stuck themselves with a bit of a turkey.
**** troll alert this is not a drill ******
**** he's not wrong though ******
****** I'm coming last *******
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 08, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 08, 2018, 02:53:28 PM
There are clearly a lot of people out there with empty, meaningless, lives who lack any sense of perspective regarding the relative importance of sports. Whether that is the Tyrone supporter who gobbed down on Karl Lacey, the eejit from Mayo a few years back who ran into the field to pursue the ref or the lowlifes sending abusive, anonymous letters to a man like Eamon Fitmaurice.
If your team wins, enjoy it. If they lose, take it on the chin, congratulate your opponent and get back to your real life... you know... the stuff that actually matters.
In a nutshell, its only a game at the end of the day FFS.
What if football is the only thing that matters to these guys..?
Quote from: Jayop on August 08, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 08, 2018, 04:09:44 PM
Kerry players aren't immune to dishing out criticism. Tomas O'Sé fairly went to town on Cian O'Neill. Different breed down there. A lot of self-entitlement.
If this is as widespread as it's starting to look then I'm sure o'Neill had a few letters sent to him from within Kildare too.
Like who even writes letters anymore?
My thoughts exactly ,who writes letters,a lot of people nowadays would not know where to get a stamp.
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 08, 2018, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 08, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 08, 2018, 04:09:44 PM
Kerry players aren't immune to dishing out criticism. Tomas O'Sé fairly went to town on Cian O'Neill. Different breed down there. A lot of self-entitlement.
If this is as widespread as it's starting to look then I'm sure o'Neill had a few letters sent to him from within Kildare too.
Like who even writes letters anymore?
My thoughts exactly ,who writes letters,a lot of people nowadays would not know where to get a stamp.
Shows the age profile of the offender.
And yet every interview I've heard this week blamed social media and dem forums for the problem of nasty letters. Sorry but 99 percent of people on twitter would never write a letter and I'd say about 98 percent the same one forums. It's quite obvious that this is older people for me and forums etc have little to do with it. Was there huge gaa forums 17 years ago when Paudi was giving out?
Quote from: J70 on August 08, 2018, 02:53:28 PM
There are clearly a lot of people out there with empty, meaningless, lives who lack any sense of perspective regarding the relative importance of sports. Whether that is the Tyrone supporter who gobbed down on Karl Lacey, the eejit from Mayo a few years back who ran into the field to pursue the ref or the lowlifes sending abusive, anonymous letters to a man like Eamon Fitmaurice.
If your team wins, enjoy it. If they lose, take it on the chin, congratulate your opponent and get back to your real life... you know... the stuff that actually matters.
I'd see a difference between those two actions and writing anonymous letters though. The lad who went on to abuse the ref lost his temper during a game when tempers were up and I imagine the Lacey incident was during a game too. Given a half hour to cool off I'd say neither of those events wold have occurred. Someone who dwells on a match or season enough to sit down and write a posinous letter is clearly in a different category to those actions. There's a real malelovence involved in that.
I abuse the heads off players and referees during matches to the point that I'd be ashamed thinking back afterwards of what I said. Mostly though when the red mist lifts you see that you'd f**k all to be annoyed about. Someone who carries that ill feeling around with them to the point that they write hate mail are clearly physcotic.
Quote from: Jayop on August 08, 2018, 09:08:31 PM
And yet every interview I've heard this week blamed social media and dem forums for the problem of nasty letters. Sorry but 99 percent of people on twitter would never write a letter and I'd say about 98 percent the same one forums. It's quite obvious that this is older people for me and forums etc have little to do with it. Was there huge gaa forums 17 years ago when Paudi was giving out?
Therre are parallels between hate mail and the forums. I've often thought the anonymity afforded to posters on this board and others isn't particularly fair. It's very easy to slate the shite out of players or coaches reputations when it comes at no cost to your own.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2018, 10:47:13 AM
There should be a clear distinction made between managers who get paid vast sums of money and those who do it for the pride of their club/county.
When it comes to telling someone to jump off a cliff then there is no distinction to be made on whether they are paid. It and similar abuse is always wrong.
When it comes to criticising managerial decisions then there is no distinction. If the criticism is accurate or at least arguable then it's fair.
But you are right about one thing. Once the individual crosses the line and accepts payment for a role that the rules and traditions of the game state are exclusively amateur then it's difficult for them to appeal to the rules and traditions of the game for protection. The level of scrutiny and accountability increases once you take payment
Quote from: smelmoth on August 09, 2018, 08:30:17 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2018, 10:47:13 AM
There should be a clear distinction made between managers who get paid vast sums of money and those who do it for the pride of their club/county.
When it comes to telling someone to jump off a cliff then there is no distinction to be made on whether they are paid. It and similar abuse is always wrong.
When it comes to criticising managerial decisions then there is no distinction. If the criticism is accurate or at least arguable then it’s fair.
But you are right about one thing. Once the individual crosses the line and accepts payment for a role that the rules and traditions of the game state are exclusively amateur then it’s difficult for them to appeal to the rules and traditions of the game for protection. The level of scrutiny and accountability increases once you take payment
Is Jump Off a cliff mot just an expression though , Its not exactly 'ill shoot you and all your family' or ' look under your car tomorrow ' level of threat . in fact its an invitation not a threat .
I'd love if these guys would actually just show the letter and then we'd see exactly the extent and nature of the Problem
I dunno what can be done about any of this stuff.
It's not today or yesterday it started.
Why anyone pays any heed to the rantings of individuals who are clearly a bit tapped, I'll never know.
It's been fed in from the soccer, you see the abuse professional managers in EPL get.. People think they can use this in Gaelic football too, I've had parents give me abuse when managing underage, think people need to get their boots on and try management and see what it's like from the inside then they wouldn't be as quick to give abuse
Quote from: Jinxy on August 09, 2018, 12:09:47 PM
I dunno what can be done about any of this stuff.
It's not today or yesterday it started.
Why anyone pays any heed to the rantings of individuals who are clearly a bit tapped, I'll never know.
You could say this about a woman who is being stalked and it becomes ridculous. Even the thickest-skinned animal of a man could be spooked if they have a family.
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 09, 2018, 12:21:25 PM
It's been fed in from the soccer, you see the abuse professional managers in EPL get.. People think they can use this in Gaelic football too, I've had parents give me abuse when managing underage, think people need to get their boots on and try management and see what it's like from the inside then they wouldn't be as quick to give abuse
Abuse from the sideline is poor form, and is something I can't stand. However, I can understand that a lot of it comes from pure emotion and being caught up in the moment. I can't understand the kind of individual who goes home from a game, cools off, and then pens & posts an abusive letter. Absolute losers, who clearly don't have enough going on in their lives. I know a current intercounty manager (who is not one of the ones who has spoken about it in the press lately), and he has had the same experience. He says some of it can be quite funny, some of the letters he gets are well meaning (offering advice on team selection, etc), but some of it is downright threatening. Absolute losers.
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 08, 2018, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 08, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 08, 2018, 04:09:44 PM
Kerry players aren't immune to dishing out criticism. Tomas O'Sé fairly went to town on Cian O'Neill. Different breed down there. A lot of self-entitlement.
If this is as widespread as it's starting to look then I'm sure o'Neill had a few letters sent to him from within Kildare too.
Like who even writes letters anymore?
My thoughts exactly ,who writes letters,a lot of people nowadays would not know where to get a stamp.
A lot of people now don't know you can get a stamp from a shop? Catch yourself on.
Sport brings out the best in many and the worst in a small number of people.
In a previous life I used to get anonymous letters from parents of boys not picked for the school teams. I always knew who they were despite their attempted anonymity. ;) I sometimes wonder if they would now on reflection be embarrassed by their actions, not too sure that they would given the characters involved.
Others would make appointments to meet with me and make all sorts of allegations against those who ran the teams because they didn't pick their sons. I have never forgotten one stand out phrase from a parent who told me with impassioned conviction that 'football is our life in our house' and explained the devastating effect that his son not being picked for the squad would have on his son's future.
Being able to keep things in context is an issue for a vocal minority.
Quote from: Don Johnson on August 09, 2018, 09:54:21 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 08, 2018, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 08, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 08, 2018, 04:09:44 PM
Kerry players aren't immune to dishing out criticism. Tomas O'Sé fairly went to town on Cian O'Neill. Different breed down there. A lot of self-entitlement.
If this is as widespread as it's starting to look then I'm sure o'Neill had a few letters sent to him from within Kildare too.
Like who even writes letters anymore?
My thoughts exactly ,who writes letters,a lot of people nowadays would not know where to get a stamp.
A lot of people now don't know you can get a stamp from a shop? Catch yourself on.
I thought you needed to go to the post office to get a stamp