US Congresswoman and some of her staff shot

[Tyrones own]

You're easily amused if a couple of typos has you rolling in the aisles  Have another moment of hilarity on me 'liberity' hope that didn't cause you to soil yourself or anything 

No not to worry...it didn't, The smilies were actually in relation to your innocence in thinking that just because the likes of Obama and his ilk fall
under the banner of Liberals that they actually in earnest have the true definition of Liberty and freedom at heart  ... do you actually read a newspaper at all
with the regulation and total destruction of individual freedoms in this country?

What is laughable is the demonisation of the word 'liberal' by the right wing to the point that its used by the to describe the exact opposite of its original meaning.

See above and yes that's why I was laughing at you! 

Fortunately the rest of the civilised english speaking world still use it in its proper manner rather than the assbackwards fox news version.

Ah the auld rolling out of Fox news again as usual when caught light on substance... I live, work and try to do business in the belly of the beast remember and unlike some of ye, don't need to rely on cable network news for my opinion 

[delboy]

You're easily amused if a couple of typos has you rolling in the aisles  Have another moment of hilarity on me 'liberity' hope that didn't cause you to soil yourself or anything 

No not to worry...it didn't, The smilies were actually in relation to your innocence in thinking that just because the likes of Obama and his ilk fall
under the banner of Liberals that they actually in earnest have the true definition of Liberty and freedom at heart  ... do you actually read a newspaper at all
with the regulation and total destruction of individual freedoms in this country?

What is laughable is the demonisation of the word 'liberal' by the right wing to the point that its used by the to describe the exact opposite of its original meaning.

See above and yes that's why I was laughing at you! 

Fortunately the rest of the civilised english speaking world still use it in its proper manner rather than the assbackwards fox news version.

Ah the auld rolling out of Fox news again as usual when caught light on substance... I live, work and try to do business in the belly of the beast remember and unlike some of ye, don't need to rely on cable network news for my opinion 

Well i suppose it takes all sorts when it comes to a sense of humour (what ever rocks your boat) but i think you need to brush up on your smiley placement if your intention was to express hilarity at my 'naivety' rather than the typos then you failed dismally.

I'll say something for you you're 100 % right about me not reading newspapers, i don't garner my opinions from them, after all they are essentially the propoganda playthings of the super-rich you might think they are the font of all information but i can assure you there is other means of finding out about the world around you and forming opinions, you should try it some time you might find it an enrichening experience to think for yourself once in a while.

Don't quite get you on the 'rolling out of the fox news' thing, have you got deja vu or something i don't recall ever having had a conversation about fox news before, or are you alluding to the fact that others may have in the past made references to fox news as an example of whats wrong basically wrong with the right wing media. If more than me has already made this point then it should tell you something should it not?

You also seem to be labouring under the impression that i know something about what you do for a living what with the wittering about the belly of the beast, should i  are you a celeb or something or just another deluded soul that things his postings on a forum are in some way remarkable or memorable  to other members

[Tyrones own]

I'll say something for you you're 100 % right about me not reading newspapers, i don't garner my opinions from them, after all they are essentially the propoganda playthings of the super-rich you might think they are the font of all information but i can assure you there is other means of finding out about the world around you and forming opinions, you should try it some time you might find it an enrichening experience to think for yourself once in a while.

What would they be...I'd be very curious to know? and what part of the fact that I experience business destructive regulation and the erosion of freedoms here in Liberal California on a weekly basis, and so don't need to base opinions on what I hear or read was too much for you to comprehend?

Don't quite get you on the 'rolling out of the fox news' thing, have you got deja vu or something i don't recall ever having had a conversation about fox news before, or are you alluding to the fact that others may have in the past made references to fox news as an example of whats wrong basically wrong with the right wing media. If more than me has already made this point then it should tell you something should it not?

Speaks volumes actually... 

You also seem to be labouring under the impression that i know something about what you do for a living what with the wittering about the belly of the beast, should i  are you a celeb or something or just another deluded soul that things his postings on a forum are in some way remarkable or memorable  to other members

See above again..maybe you'll get it the third time around..though I doubt it!

[magpie seanie]

You're worse than I thought.

I'd have my doubts whether that's even possible

Well its kind of a silly thing to be arguing but for the record I sort of thought you were playing the pantomime villian by exaggerating your views ever so slightly and carrying some ridiculous signatures on your profiles to get a reaction. I now realise that you do actually believe all that stuff. That's why I said what I said. I apologise for overestimating you, I'l try not to do it again.

[CiKe]

The word "liberal" is bandied about oh too easily and does for some reason now seem to have a negative connotation for right wing American politics. But liberal what exactly? Free market economics, i.e capitalism, much more so the preserve of the political right might be deemed liberalism. Liberal in terms of religious views i.e non-conforming to Baptist and Bilble Belt views (simplification perhaps, but you can see where I'm coming from) ? In this respect that would typically apply more to those on the left of the political spectrum.

Personally when someone starts generalising about liberals it starts me thinking that they aren't worthy of my attention span...

[delboy]

I'll say something for you you're 100 % right about me not reading newspapers, i don't garner my opinions from them, after all they are essentially the propoganda playthings of the super-rich you might think they are the font of all information but i can assure you there is other means of finding out about the world around you and forming opinions, you should try it some time you might find it an enrichening experience to think for yourself once in a while.

What would they be...I'd be very curious to know? and what part of the fact that I experience business destructive regulation and the erosion of freedoms here in Liberal California on a weekly basis, and so don't need to base opinions on what I hear or read was too much for you to comprehend?

Don't quite get you on the 'rolling out of the fox news' thing, have you got deja vu or something i don't recall ever having had a conversation about fox news before, or are you alluding to the fact that others may have in the past made references to fox news as an example of whats wrong basically wrong with the right wing media. If more than me has already made this point then it should tell you something should it not?

Speaks volumes actually... 

You also seem to be labouring under the impression that i know something about what you do for a living what with the wittering about the belly of the beast, should i  are you a celeb or something or just another deluded soul that things his postings on a forum are in some way remarkable or memorable  to other members

See above again..maybe you'll get it the third time around..though I doubt it!

Well for one let me introduce you to the internet, its a handy little tool (im sure its going to catch on) that allows for the easy and rapid dissemention of information by real people experiencing real situations who can broadcast that news without going through the prism of a potentially biased journalist, you can then take that information on board and the opinions of others who may have conflicting opinions and with your own brain form an opinion on the matter. Of course you have to attempt to sift the chaff from the wheat of course and be aware of 'fundamentlists' who are there to push one perspective regardless of the facts, but they are reasonably easy to spot as they target the same people over and over, they use rhetoric and all almost entirely negative.  Using your own mind to form an opinion is a novel idea and not something that some people would recommend i know but honestly try it you may just find you grow to like it.

There are of course other means of obtaining the information the medium isn't the fundamental part really, what is critical though is listening to a range of opinions, try not to fall into the trap of just looking for opinions that concur with your own, if you follow these guidelines hopefully you won't have to depend on the editoral staff of a newspaper to form you opinions for you. 

BTW i still don't get it even on the third time, let me in on the big news im behind the times obviously are you a anchor man for one of the big networks or something, surely your sole qualifaction can not merely be that you happen to live in what you perceive to the liberal hell hole that is california  , it can't just be that so in the meantime you can assume im thick for not knowing anything about you and i'll assume you have a massively inflated sense of your own importance and your posts on this forum.

[Tyrones own]

Well for one let me introduce you to the internet, its a handy little tool (im sure its going to catch on) that allows for the easy and rapid dissemention of information by real people experiencing real situations who can broadcast that news without going through the prism of a potentially biased journalist,

You mean like myself and my experiences   Or is it only you that gets the unbiased stuff online?
And what are the sites/blogs that you frequent..so that I too could become as smart if not as condescending as you are

be aware of 'fundamentlists' who are there to push one perspective regardless of the facts, but they are reasonably easy to spot as they target the same people over and over

Like those relentlessly attacking Palin on this thread you mean?

BTW i still don't get it even on the third time,

I know sure I told you ye wouldn't ahead of time cause that's what suits

[delboy]

Well for one let me introduce you to the internet, its a handy little tool (im sure its going to catch on) that allows for the easy and rapid dissemention of information by real people experiencing real situations who can broadcast that news without going through the prism of a potentially biased journalist,

You mean like myself and my experiences   Or is it only you that gets the unbiased stuff online?
And what are the sites/blogs that you frequent..so that I too could become as smart if not as condescending as you are

be aware of 'fundamentlists' who are there to push one perspective regardless of the facts, but they are reasonably easy to spot as they target the same people over and over

Like those relentlessly attacking Palin on this thread you mean?

BTW i still don't get it even on the third time,

I know sure I told you ye wouldn't ahead of time cause that's what suits

To be fair you have to take the rough with the smooth even biased opinions on both sides of any arguement are worth listening to, they are unlikely to be representative of the truth but it can give you a better understanding of the degree of animosity and misinformation that exists between the rival positions, you then look for more temperate unbiased middle ground voices in my experience.

Smart doesn't come into it, being well informed and keeping an open mind does, the rest usually falls into place itself. Do you really want a list of blogs/internet sites etc name an issue you are particulary interested and i'll certainly try to supply you with some apt sites covering a range of diverse opinions if i can, i suspect thought that you don't really want to engage at that level.

You'll have to take your issues with palin up with others i haven't mentioned her once in my comments on this thread, you on the other hand seem to be fixated by her though. I will say though that trying to paint some of the contributers to this thread as left wing fundamentalists on the basis of a few comments about palin is pretty weak to be honest, you really think people on a gaa board forum are fundamentalist about american politics, i think you've lost the run of yourself to be honest.

[Tyrones own]

To be fair you have to take the rough with the smooth even biased opinions on both sides of any arguement are worth listening to, they are unlikely to be representative of the truth but it can give you a better understanding of the degree of animosity and misinformation that exists between the rival positions, you then look for more temperate unbiased middle ground voices in my experience.

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

Smart doesn't come into it, being well informed and keeping an open mind does, the rest usually falls into place itself

Elitism, Condescension and hatred certainly does then...where does that stem from as it's clearly not a form of liberal philosophy as it was intended

You'll have to take your issues with palin up with others i haven't mentioned her once in my comments on this thread, you on the other hand seem to be fixated by her though.

Me... I'm merely defending the fixated hate speech unfairly directed at her Ad Nauseum here

I will say though that trying to paint some of the contributers to this thread as left wing fundamentalists on the basis of a few comments about palin is pretty weak to be honest

Shameless.... are you new here or what, Who are you trying to fool with that?...

you really think people on a gaa board forum are fundamentalist about american politics,

Absolutely... sure the hatred toward anything that isn't viewed as far left is ridiculed and mocked on an almost daily basis 
Have you actually read some of the stuff that goes on here ?

Only in the assbackwards world of american right wing politics could the term liberal be used in a derogatory manner, do these people not even understand the root of it, liberity, individual freedom etc, most of the things the right wing actually purport to support, numptie heads. 

Case in point and I'd like to bring you back to this; again...do you honestly believe that the policies being enacted today by this administration have
Liberty and individual freedoms at heart 

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

You'll have to take your issues with palin up with others i haven't mentioned her once in my comments on this thread, you on the other hand seem to be fixated by her though.

Me... I'm merely defending the fixated hate speech unfairly directed at her Ad Nauseum here

Do you ever stop to consider that if Palin didn't come out with her ridiculous crap that there wouldn't be people to criticise it, or are you on a GoP hair-trigger to defend the indefensible with her?

I have never actually seen you address what she has said, merely attack those who attack what she has said. Ad hominemism at its worst.

By the way, is Ad Nauseum a Palinism? 

[Tyrones own]

Ah now Fear... if it's not Palin it's Bush and if not Bush it's Beck etc... anything but look in your own backyard
for gaffes, stupidity and or indeed inciting hate speech, there's simply no end to the sheer hatred here!
Can I ask again where that is included in Liberal philosophy 
At least I have an excuse..right? me being a neanderthal and all 

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Ah now Fear... if it's not Palin it's Bush and if not Bush it's Beck etc... anything but look in your own backyard for gaffes, stupidity and or indeed inciting hate speech, there's simply no end to the sheer hatred here!

But that's all the same thing TO: they come out with some extremist (or dumb) shite, and they're going to be nailed for it. I don't care of the source, whether it be extreme left or extreme right, they are all equally liable to be pilloried for it. So go ahead, post some equally idiotic left material, we can all pore over it, and be my guest.

Can I ask again where that is included in Liberal philosophy 

You're hung up on the pigeon-holing: "Liberal philosophy", like it's some all-encompassing code of existence. Can you tell me exactly what that's supposed to mean, or how anyone's supposed to adhere to it?

Maybe I, and others here, are just anti-extremist, has that ever occurred to you?

[Hardy]

If you thought the gun people were crazy ...

[muppet]

If you thought the gun people were crazy ...

Didn't he play hurling for Miltown Malbay?

[Tyrones own]

Ah now Fear... if it's not Palin it's Bush and if not Bush it's Beck etc... anything but look in your own backyard for gaffes, stupidity and or indeed inciting hate speech, there's simply no end to the sheer hatred here!

But that's all the same thing TO: they come out with some extremist (or dumb) shite, and they're going to be nailed for it. I don't care of the source, whether it be extreme left or extreme right, they are all equally liable to be pilloried for it. So go ahead, post some equally idiotic left material, we can all pore over it, and be my guest.

If only Fear... That's my point right there in a nut shell!

You're hung up on the pigeon-holing: "Liberal philosophy", like it's some all-encompassing code of existence. Can you tell me exactly what that's supposed to mean,

I could but Delboy seems to have the definition of it down pat and might be the man to ask

or how anyone's supposed to adhere to it?

Eh... actually making Liberty and individual freedom a top priority would be a great place to start I'd say
rather than just rapping themselves in the banner whilst attempting to control every inch of our lives here