Division 2 2024

[marty34]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

[Itchy]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

[thejuice]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.

To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.

O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.

[marty34]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

How is it?
It's a competitive competition. It's Ulster. Not so long ago there was 16, 000 at a Tyrone V Armagh Mc Kenna Cup game.

The problem is the uncompetitiveness of the other provinces. They're brutal. Similar to championship.

[Itchy]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

How is it?
It's a competitive competition. It's Ulster. Not so long ago there was 16, 000 at a Tyrone V Armagh Mc Kenna Cup game.

The problem is the uncompetitiveness of the other provinces. They're brutal. Similar to championship.

Im not arguing that me the McKenna Cup is more competitive than the others, it clearly is. But that is simply due to managers of the teams involved. The teams in other provinces could do the same and then wouldnt be at the supposed disadvantage that Fitzmaurice bemoans.

[illdecide]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.

To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.

O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.

Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.

[Taylor]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

How is it?
It's a competitive competition. It's Ulster. Not so long ago there was 16, 000 at a Tyrone V Armagh Mc Kenna Cup game.

The problem is the uncompetitiveness of the other provinces. They're brutal. Similar to championship.

Im not arguing that me the McKenna Cup is more competitive than the others, it clearly is. But that is simply due to managers of the teams involved. The teams in other provinces could do the same and then wouldnt be at the supposed disadvantage that Fitzmaurice bemoans.

I think the point being made is even if the managers wanted to make it competitive they couldnt due to the huge gap between the best and the rest in the Province.

[seafoid]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.

To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.

O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.

Meath need a stronger panel for the summer. D2 is a safer place to test inexperienced players. Maybe Meath won't need it in a year or two. O'Rourke has to use all the tools available.

[Itchy]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.

To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.

O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.

Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.

Do you think Meath arent taking it seriously or are Meath not just that good? I would say the latter. They still have time to get the points as in fairness the lost to Armagh who are one of the best in the division. If they lose to Louth they will be in big bother I would say.

[imtommygunn]

The Louth game will be very interesting. They drew with Fermanagh who tbh most people would have predicted for relegation and probably bottom of the league. Louth don't look to have dropped off significantly either and that will be a real fight.

I don't think Meath can really afford to mess about in the league but I'm not even sure that's what they're doing.

[Dreadnought]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.

To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.

O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.

Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.

Always the possibility of getting promoted and/or getting to leinster final 2025.

I expect in years to come as things even out, that bulk of teams making finals are from the top 2 divisions. Was a quirk last year that the Tailteann winner (Westmeath) didn't get promoted and Sligo and Clare got to finals which meant the 2 promoted Div3 teams (Cavan and Fermanagh) and then 6th in Div2 (Meath) missed out. Might be rare to see this again. I expect at least one promoted Div3 side to make it in this year

[Itchy]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.

To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.

O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.

Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.

Always the possibility of getting promoted and/or getting to leinster final 2025.

I expect in years to come as things even out, that bulk of teams making finals are from the top 2 divisions. Was a quirk last year that the Tailteann winner (Westmeath) didn't get promoted and Sligo and Clare got to finals which meant the 2 promoted Div3 teams (Cavan and Fermanagh) and then 6th in Div2 (Meath) missed out. Might be rare to see this again. I expect at least one promoted Div3 side to make it in this year

I disagree. It is conceivable that Kildare and Meath could finish in relegation. Meath are already assured of a place in the All Ireland series. Kildare have a pretty good chance to make a Leinster final. Clare/Tipp/Waterford all on one side in Munster. So it is reasonable to assume the two promoted teams will stay in Tailteann and also the 6th placed team in Div 2 could also end up there. The obscure draws in Munster and Connacht at times is making a balls of the whole thing.

[tintin25]

It should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position

[Dreadnought]

It should only be provincial winners making the All-Ireland if they don't qualify automatically through league position

Disagree. Why reward League form from months before against reaching a final? We still need to reward Championship and getting to a final is still something. Like my own team Cavan could beat Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry but lose to Armagh in an Ulster final and miss out on Sam due to League results from 3 months before? Beat 3 Division 1 teams in Championship but still miss out due to League? Nah...

[Dreadnought]

Fitzmaurice reckons the mckenna cup a big factor in that in that it os much better preparation than the other pre-season competitions.

Fair point. Very competitive.

I think it's a stupid point. It's competitive because the managers of the teams made it competitive. It didn't magically become competitive. If managers in Munster wanted to make their pre season competitive then it's entirely up to them to do it.

Exactly, we changed our line almost completely for each game of the O'Byrne Cup, younger lads are out playing Siegerson instead.

To be fair we're in the all Ireland series anyway so what we do in the league and Leinster won't change that.

O'Rourke can bide his time until then but we should be challenging for Division 1 if we're going to do anything in the summer. Though when Colm was playing Sean Boylan never took the league that seriously. I wonder if that's Colm's perspective too.

Serious question here as i don't know the answer...So Meath are in for Sam this year for winning the Tailteann Cup and for that reason are not taking the league as serious as the rest of the teams in Division 2 (well not yet, maybe the last 2-3 games). I get that too. However, if Meath were to get relegated from Div 2 and we all know you're not going to win Leinster never mind Sam, will that mean for 2025 for being in Div 3 you will be back in the Tailteann Cup?.

Always the possibility of getting promoted and/or getting to leinster final 2025.

I expect in years to come as things even out, that bulk of teams making finals are from the top 2 divisions. Was a quirk last year that the Tailteann winner (Westmeath) didn't get promoted and Sligo and Clare got to finals which meant the 2 promoted Div3 teams (Cavan and Fermanagh) and then 6th in Div2 (Meath) missed out. Might be rare to see this again. I expect at least one promoted Div3 side to make it in this year

I disagree. It is conceivable that Kildare and Meath could finish in relegation. Meath are already assured of a place in the All Ireland series. Kildare have a pretty good chance to make a Leinster final. Clare/Tipp/Waterford all on one side in Munster. So it is reasonable to assume the two promoted teams will stay in Tailteann and also the 6th placed team in Div 2 could also end up there. The obscure draws in Munster and Connacht at times is making a balls of the whole thing.

Yeah get you there actually. Does depend on a lot happening for that to occur. Should say that I think they need to readjust provincials to prevent that happening. Like Munster draw is odd as they seed last years finalists which creates and perpetuates it happening over and again.