Teachers get it handy!

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armaghniac

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Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
There's talk that they will inflate the grades of good schools to maintain their status. Madness.
What do you mean? Who will inflate them? Why would they need to?

Because fear DEIS schools will grade higher so the posh schools want to maintain their superiority.
And there is no chance that posh schools will inflate higher?

They (whoever they are) will not be allowed to inflate the grades of certain schools. Where is this talk?

There's a lecturer on about it on twitter. Was inferred by an education correspondent on radio this morning.

Irish Times say the bell curve will be followed plus school indicators. Basically private schools can give whatever they want, DEIS keep in your lane

No both sets of schools will be expected  to give grades similar to previous years or explain why.

Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Yeah they've said that but they've also said they can't hold exams because of health risks.  ::)

A smaller number can do exams fine, a handful in each room.
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five points

Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2020, 02:10:32 PM

Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Yeah they've said that but they've also said they can't hold exams because of health risks.  ::)

A smaller number can do exams fine, a handful in each room.

They can't. The exams as scheduled this summer will not happen. There is no exam to attend.

five points

Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 02:41:28 PM
Yeah, there are no exams this year. I think the original point made by Milltown Row was if you believe your teachers have sold you short (I'm not sure why they would), there is an appeals process for you to challenge your results and ultimately you could sit the exam next year, ace it and stand outside the school waving 2 fingers as the teachers drive in and out, if you so desire.

The option to repeat the year is there for everyone anyway regardless of any appeal process but few people will be happy putting their lives on hold for a year except as a last resort.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 02:41:28 PM
Yeah, there are no exams this year. I think the original point made by Milltown Row was if you believe your teachers have sold you short (I'm not sure why they would), there is an appeals process for you to challenge your results and ultimately you could sit the exam next year, ace it and stand outside the school waving 2 fingers as the teachers drive in and out, if you so desire.

The option to repeat the year is there for everyone anyway regardless of any appeal process but few people will be happy putting their lives on hold for a year except as a last resort.

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

five points

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:07:36 PM

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case

The Dept don't intend to trust the teachers.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/74043/96076aa3e16240cc93e2a56a1ea94d75.pdf#page=1
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10.2 What happens to the school data in this process?
The rank order within the class group is preserved in the statistical process.  However, the teachers' estimated marks from each school will be adjusted to bring them into line with the expected distribution for the school.  Each school's expected distributions will be arrived at from the statistical analysis of all the historic SEC datasets.  These data sets allow the production of good calculationsof the distributions of marks to be expected for each school and nationally.

In other words, if your school has underperformed in the past, you risk being downgraded.

Milltown Row2

As I said in my post earlier, the teachers up here give their grades, it goes to the head of department and they have guidelines to go through the department has a meeting and discuss various marks/grades given and change if needs be.

That's all the input they have, and all based on previous work done by the students and what was their predicted grades assessed beforehand. Now that's all given to the awarding body, separate from school who'll give the final grade, there is criteria set for that, previous school results and at the end off all that if they want to sit the exam they can.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

mrdeeds

Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:07:36 PM

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case

The Dept don't intend to trust the teachers.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/74043/96076aa3e16240cc93e2a56a1ea94d75.pdf#page=1
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10.2 What happens to the school data in this process?
The rank order within the class group is preserved in the statistical process.  However, the teachers' estimated marks from each school will be adjusted to bring them into line with the expected distribution for the school.  Each school's expected distributions will be arrived at from the statistical analysis of all the historic SEC datasets.  These data sets allow the production of good calculationsof the distributions of marks to be expected for each school and nationally.

In other words, if your school has underperformed in the past, you risk being downgraded.

The school in my locality had excellent results last year. Talking to one teacher he said they had a great group last year and would never be repeated. So essentially they can put down great results and point to last year even though  they wouldn't have good results this year.

JimStynes

What's happening with the transfer test then??

Milltown Row2

Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:07:36 PM

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case

The Dept don't intend to trust the teachers.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/74043/96076aa3e16240cc93e2a56a1ea94d75.pdf#page=1
Quote
10.2 What happens to the school data in this process?
The rank order within the class group is preserved in the statistical process.  However, the teachers' estimated marks from each school will be adjusted to bring them into line with the expected distribution for the school.  Each school's expected distributions will be arrived at from the statistical analysis of all the historic SEC datasets.  These data sets allow the production of good calculationsof the distributions of marks to be expected for each school and nationally.

In other words, if your school has underperformed in the past, you risk being downgraded.

The school in my locality had excellent results last year. Talking to one teacher he said they had a great group last year and would never be repeated. So essentially they can put down great results and point to last year even though  they wouldn't have good results this year.

Previous years, not just a year, they have those results to look back on.

If your students underperformed over a lot years then it will reflect differently, but the best thing if you feel they didn't get the results they feel they would have got them go through the process and sit the exam (up north that is)
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

JimStynes

Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 08, 2020, 03:39:53 PM
What's happening with the transfer test then??
Hasn't been much mention. Hard to see it going ahead.

What's the latest they could schedule it? February could probably be the latest and I would probably just do the PIE and PIM at that stage as well.

ONeill

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Quote from: JimStynes on May 08, 2020, 03:39:53 PM
What's happening with the transfer test then??

You can be sure that the grammars will push it back until the new year. Primary schools wil have to reschedule their plans to accommodate this as they will be expected to by parents to help their children prepare for the test. Xmas concerts will not go ahead , planned primary school sporting events will have to be postponed/ rescheduled. All this on top of the endless stress that the pupils and parents will have to endure due to the fact that a group of people (Boards of Governors) sat in a room one evening and decided that they didn't want pupils of lesser academic ability into their school.
Absolute disgraceful attitude and power that they should not have!! All this supported by the DUP minister

Milltown Row2

Quote from: ONeill on May 08, 2020, 05:39:14 PM
Anyone else brilliant at Fortnite now?

Been blasting it out old school, PS3 call of duty games, still a crowd on line playing away
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

macdanger2

Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:07:36 PM

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case

The Dept don't intend to trust the teachers.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/74043/96076aa3e16240cc93e2a56a1ea94d75.pdf#page=1
Quote
10.2 What happens to the school data in this process?
The rank order within the class group is preserved in the statistical process.  However, the teachers' estimated marks from each school will be adjusted to bring them into line with the expected distribution for the school.  Each school's expected distributions will be arrived at from the statistical analysis of all the historic SEC datasets.  These data sets allow the production of good calculationsof the distributions of marks to be expected for each school and nationally.

In other words, if your school has underperformed in the past, you risk being downgraded.

The school in my locality had excellent results last year. Talking to one teacher he said they had a great group last year and would never be repeated. So essentially they can put down great results and point to last year even though  they wouldn't have good results this year.

It's the schools that have that "great group" this year that'll have the trouble

FermGael

Quote from: ONeill on May 08, 2020, 05:39:14 PM
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