I know it's pointless (like ourselves) but sure it's still officially an All Ireland Quarter Final and deserves a thread.
If we keep the margin under the Tyrone one we'll not be embarrassed.
Can it not be called off please?
Should be in parnell park and the hurling semi in croker
Tickets issued/sold for Croker before the hurley crowd had their draw.
Galway v Roscommon round 4 dead rubber group game in the FBD this year wasn't played. 3 Div 4 dead rubber games this year wasn't played either but it seems this dead rubber game on Sunday has to be played because...?
It's Championship
It's Croker
It's Dublin
Integrity of the competition
They want to embarrass us even more
Ros get to play in August 2 years in succession. This makes McStay our greatest ever manager per Syfīn.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2018, 12:19:31 AM
It's Championship
It's Croker
It's Dublin
Integrity of the competition
They want to embarrass us even more
Ros get to play in August 2 years in succession. This makes McStay our greatest ever manager per Syfīn.
Your camapaign to get him removed really fell flat on its face, didn't it?
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2018, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2018, 12:19:31 AM
It's Championship
It's Croker
It's Dublin
Integrity of the competition
They want to embarrass us even more
Ros get to play in August 2 years in succession. This makes McStay our greatest ever manager per Syfīn.
Your camapaign to get him removed really fell flat on its face, didn't it?
Come back in September and see who has egg on their face
I thought this was the thread about the Dublin v Roscommon game. My mistake.
30k maximum at this one?
Overall maybe Farr.
I expect most of the people there for the U20 won't wait for this massacre.
The official attendance should be well over 30k, I'd expect maybe around 7-8k Kildare fans anyway.
Featherstone
Murray Domican McInerney
McManus DPetit R Timothy
O'Rourke E Smith
Kilroy C Murtagh Devaney
D Murtagh B Stack C Lennon
Reads like an FBD team .
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2018, 01:01:39 PM
Featherstone
Murray Domican McInerney
McManus DPetit R Timothy
O'Rourke E Smith
Kilroy C Murtagh Devaney
D Murtagh B Stack C Lennon
Reads like an FBD team .
Sending the young lads onto the front line.
On the plus side, 6 defenders have been chosen instead of trying to convert wispy forwards into defenders. Anyway, Dublin are out in an All-Ireland semi the following weekend whether A team or B team, I seriously doubt they will be putting too much effort into this and I don't expect this to be as bad as people fear. It would be nice to restore some pride even if a dead rubber.
Quote from: weareros on August 02, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
On the plus side, 6 defenders have been chosen instead of trying to convert wispy forwards into defenders. Anyway, Dublin are out in an All-Ireland semi the following weekend whether A team or B team, I seriously doubt they will be putting too much effort into this and I don't expect this to be as bad as people fear. It would be nice to restore some pride even if a dead rubber.
Dublin players playing for places though.
Are roscommon even still training?
In the spirit of the week the players should be given hurls and we'll have a hurling match instead.
Is this the first ever game that McStay hasn't selected a forward in defence? then again he's suspended so it was probably McHale that selected that team. 3 players given their debuts i suppose apart from Dubs not every player gets to make their championship debuts in Croke Park.
Roscommon have nothing to lose and zero expectation on them. If they decide to go out and have a cut it could be interesting. If they fold the tent Dublin could run up a record score. Either Dubs by 4 or 40. Nothing inbetween.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 02, 2018, 02:54:15 PM
Roscommon have nothing to lose and zero expectation on them. If they decide to go out and have a cut it could be interesting. If they fold the tent Dublin could run up a record score. Either Dubs by 4 or 40. Nothing inbetween.
The pessimist in me would have the range from 14-40...
Dublin selection will be interesting.
If Gavin rests players then would be the a second string anxious to prove a point give Roscommon a harder time of it?
It's hard to guess the Roscommon mindset. They have nothing to lose but I don't know could you say they were inhibited in the last games so does that change much?
It will certainly be an anti-climactic end to their season.
/Jim.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on August 02, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
Dublin selection will be interesting.
If Gavin rests players then would be the a second string anxious to prove a point give Roscommon a harder time of it?
It's hard to guess the Roscommon mindset. They have nothing to lose but I don't know could you say they were inhibited in the last games so does that change much?
It will certainly be an anti-climatic end to their season.
/Jim.
Imo Dublin play some fringe players who want to make a point of putting in a good performance ahead of next week
Dublin -13 at 10/11 seems like a really really good bet.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2018, 01:01:39 PM
Featherstone
Murray Domican McInerney
McManus DPetit R Timothy
O'Rourke E Smith
Kilroy C Murtagh Devaney
D Murtagh B Stack C Lennon
Reads like an FBD team .
Blood them good and early for it.
Realistically how many oeoole will turn up for this. Dublin Season ticket holders have to buy tickets to get their final ticket. But as a dead rubber game the gaa couldve dramitlcally dropped the prices and maybe throw the doors open for kids . Hard to prevent dead rubbers in this format. Kerry kildare shouldve been another one but for monaghans lack of a killer instinct.
Quote from: snoopdog on August 04, 2018, 08:08:31 AM
Realistically how many oeoole will turn up for this. Dublin Season ticket holders have to buy tickets to get their final ticket. But as a dead rubber game the gaa couldve dramitlcally dropped the prices and maybe throw the doors open for kids . Hard to prevent dead rubbers in this format. Kerry kildare shouldve been another one but for monaghans lack of a killer instinct.
You don't want this game to be a child's first impression of Gaelic football.
There are some suggestions that Bernard Brogan might put in an appearance.
Wishing the lads all the best tomorrow and hope they aren't too humiliated.
Hope the irresponsible selection of giving a lad his inter County debut v Dublin in an AI Qtr Final doesn't ruin him.
Just not looking forward to it at all.
Got a ticket for the centre of the lower Hogan this morning, not a good sign for the attendance.
Strong Dublin team named then again is it possible for Dublin not to pick a strong starting team?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj0-5Q0W4AU-Mp7.jpg)
Whay way this game going??
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 05, 2018, 04:14:00 PM
Whay way this game going??
Going along the expected lines. Roscommon making no effort at defending and Dublin kicking scores for fun under no pressure at all.
Anyone any idea why Dublin have a different sponsor for this game on their jerseys?
Whats the score?
It was Dublin 0-7 Roscommon 0-4 after 20 mins. From the 21st minute to the 30th minute Dublin outscored Roscommon 2-4 to 0-2 and game over.
Whats the final score??
Mighty scoring.
Quote from: Nanderson on August 05, 2018, 04:19:17 PM
Anyone any idea why Dublin have a different sponsor for this game on their jerseys?
A charity promotion by Aig and Dublin gas for aoibhinns pink tie
Quote from: Orchard park on August 05, 2018, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 05, 2018, 04:19:17 PM
Anyone any idea why Dublin have a different sponsor for this game on their jerseys?
A charity promotion by Aig and Dublin gas for aoibhinns pink tie
Nice touch.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 05, 2018, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 05, 2018, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 05, 2018, 04:19:17 PM
Anyone any idea why Dublin have a different sponsor for this game on their jerseys?
A charity promotion by Aig and Dublin gas for aoibhinns pink tie
Nice touch.
Literally the worst game they could have chosen to promote anything.
Absolutely no point to this match other than to give Brogan a bit of a run out. I'd say Roscommon just wanted their season to end 2 weeks ago yet they were forced play a game that served no purpose whatsoever other than provide Dublin with a decent training session in public.
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Whats the score?
2-12 to 0-7.
At least the 2nd half was closer 2-12 to 2-9 but when a team in Roscommon case now regularly concedes huge scores its probably about time that their management ask why and what needs to be done to make it become less common. If they don't have the answers then it's probably best that new voices with new ideas are brought in.
Roscommon County Chairman Seamus Sweeney to John Evans in 2015
"He (Evans) rang me and asked me what my thoughts were on him staying on. I told him that, as far as I was concerned, it was time to him and Roscommon to move on."
After 3 years of poorly conditioned teams and failing to develop any type of defensive structure against average teams (Cavan, Armagh) and good to very good teams (our 3 qtr final games), what are the thoughts of our chairman on a 4th year of this? Doubt we'll hear boo...
Should have been in Parnell Park.
Quote from: weareros on August 05, 2018, 08:01:49 PM
Roscommon County Chairman Seamus Sweeney to John Evans in 2015
"He (Evans) rang me and asked me what my thoughts were on him staying on. I told him that, as far as I was concerned, it was time to him and Roscommon to move on."
After 3 years of poorly conditioned teams and failing to develop any type of defensive structure against average teams (Cavan, Armagh) and good to very good teams (our 3 qtr final games), what are the thoughts of our chairman on a 4th year of this? Doubt we'll hear boo...
+1.
Home tired but not surprised at the expected walloping.
Smallest Ros crowd I've ever seen at a Championship match. Jases we got more at D4 games!!!
I won't go into rant mode ad that was all said 2 weeks ago.
What a pity our expensive management hadn't given Dana Petit a few games in winter, Spring and Summer!!!
To think they dropped Kelly from the panel earlier in the year.
Bright spots - some ooints Diarmuid and Donie. What has the latter to do to get a starting place?
Do the dacent thing Kevin and Liam.
Some goal by Flynn
Quote from: Rossfan on August 05, 2018, 10:10:54 PM
Quote from: weareros on August 05, 2018, 08:01:49 PM
Roscommon County Chairman Seamus Sweeney to John Evans in 2015
"He (Evans) rang me and asked me what my thoughts were on him staying on. I told him that, as far as I was concerned, it was time to him and Roscommon to move on."
After 3 years of poorly conditioned teams and failing to develop any type of defensive structure against average teams (Cavan, Armagh) and good to very good teams (our 3 qtr final games), what are the thoughts of our chairman on a 4th year of this? Doubt we'll hear boo...
+1.
Home tired but not surprised at the expected walloping.
Smallest Ros crowd I've ever seen at a Championship match. Jases we got more at D4 games!!!
I won't go into rant mode ad that was all said 2 weeks ago.
What a pity our expensive management hadn't given Dana Petit a few games in winter, Spring and Summer!!!
To think they dropped Kelly from the panel earlier in the year.
Bright spots - some ooints Diarmuid and Donie. What has the latter to do to get a starting place?
Do the dacent thing Kevin and Liam.
the same people who wanted Evans to get an extra yr now not willing to give mcstay 1. despite 3 CFs 1 nestor promotion to D1 and stayed in d1 for a year also.
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 05, 2018, 10:10:54 PM
Quote from: weareros on August 05, 2018, 08:01:49 PM
Roscommon County Chairman Seamus Sweeney to John Evans in 2015
"He (Evans) rang me and asked me what my thoughts were on him staying on. I told him that, as far as I was concerned, it was time to him and Roscommon to move on."
After 3 years of poorly conditioned teams and failing to develop any type of defensive structure against average teams (Cavan, Armagh) and good to very good teams (our 3 qtr final games), what are the thoughts of our chairman on a 4th year of this? Doubt we'll hear boo...
+1.
Home tired but not surprised at the expected walloping.
Smallest Ros crowd I've ever seen at a Championship match. Jases we got more at D4 games!!!
I won't go into rant mode ad that was all said 2 weeks ago.
What a pity our expensive management hadn't given Dana Petit a few games in winter, Spring and Summer!!!
To think they dropped Kelly from the panel earlier in the year.
Bright spots - some ooints Diarmuid and Donie. What has the latter to do to get a starting place?
Do the dacent thing Kevin and Liam.
the same people who wanted Evans to get an extra yr now not willing to give mcstay 1. despite 3 CFs 1 nestor promotion to D1 and stayed in d1 for a year also.
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Roscommon have been pathetic, no defence plan but outside of that whenever a team gets any momentum on them they buckle
Cormac Costello with nine points was excellent today. He made a strong case for inclusion on the first fifteen. Paul Flynn and Eoghan O'Gara also played very well. MD McCauley is maintaining the excellent form which he has shown all year.
Jim Gavin has much to think about.
O,Gara gives Dublin that long ball option they been missed past 18 months
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Even a team full of limited playing personal can defend better than Roscommon are currently doing.
Here is a quote from James Horan
"Roscommon have numbers back in defence but their isn't any desire to put any tackle in,to slow down the opponent or to make them turn or to push and keep them out. They don't show any of the basics or understanding in defensive play"
Hard to disagree with any of that but the question is will improvement happen or will it be Déjà vu for Roscommon again next summer.
It doesn't speak well for the 25-26 counties below us if we're so useless according to Father Horan..
No it doesn't, but an all Ireland intermediate title beckons for ros
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 05, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Even a team full of limited playing personal can defend better than Roscommon are currently doing.
Here is a quote from James Horan
"Roscommon have numbers back in defence but their isn't any desire to put any tackle in,to slow down the opponent or to make them turn or to push and keep them out. They don't show any of the basics or understanding in defensive play"
Hard to disagree with any of that but the question is will improvement happen or will it be Déjà vu for Roscommon again next summer.
exactly there are players back but they are not good enough. the desire is clear when you see how some players try and get back. how else can you explain players being faster running forward then when thet are going towards own goal or pulling out of tackles etc.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 05, 2018, 10:49:55 PM
O,Gara gives Dublin that long ball option they been missed past 18 months
Will probably be against Roscommon in the league next spring before O'Gara is given the same type of space and freedom on the ball.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 05, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Even a team full of limited playing personal can defend better than Roscommon are currently doing.
Here is a quote from James Horan
"Roscommon have numbers back in defence but their isn't any desire to put any tackle in,to slow down the opponent or to make them turn or to push and keep them out. They don't show any of the basics or understanding in defensive play"
Hard to disagree with any of that but the question is will improvement happen or will it be Déjà vu for Roscommon again next summer.
exactly there are players back but they are not good enough. the desire is clear when you see how some players try and get back. how else can you explain players being faster running forward then when thet are going towards own goal or pulling out of tackles etc.
I think its called players having their minds focused on attacking from the voices of the management and then not having a clue about their defensive duties because little or no work is done in that area. No surprise that the final four in the championship have a strong focus on defending first and attack second.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 05, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Even a team full of limited playing personal can defend better than Roscommon are currently doing.
Here is a quote from James Horan
"Roscommon have numbers back in defence but their isn't any desire to put any tackle in,to slow down the opponent or to make them turn or to push and keep them out. They don't show any of the basics or understanding in defensive play"
Hard to disagree with any of that but the question is will improvement happen or will it be Déjà vu for Roscommon again next summer.
exactly there are players back but they are not good enough. the desire is clear when you see how some players try and get back. how else can you explain players being faster running forward then when thet are going towards own goal or pulling out of tackles etc.
I think its called players having their minds focused on attacking from the voices of the management and then not having a clue about their defensive duties because little or no work is done in that area. No surprise that the final four in the championship have a strong focus on defending first and attack second.
What Dublin team have you been watching?
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2018, 12:24:30 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 05, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Even a team full of limited playing personal can defend better than Roscommon are currently doing.
Here is a quote from James Horan
"Roscommon have numbers back in defence but their isn't any desire to put any tackle in,to slow down the opponent or to make them turn or to push and keep them out. They don't show any of the basics or understanding in defensive play"
Hard to disagree with any of that but the question is will improvement happen or will it be Déjà vu for Roscommon again next summer.
exactly there are players back but they are not good enough. the desire is clear when you see how some players try and get back. how else can you explain players being faster running forward then when thet are going towards own goal or pulling out of tackles etc.
I think its called players having their minds focused on attacking from the voices of the management and then not having a clue about their defensive duties because little or no work is done in that area. No surprise that the final four in the championship have a strong focus on defending first and attack second.
What Dublin team have you been watching?
Dublin under Pat Gilroy focused first on their defensive frailties and as Alan Brogan said recently they are now at their defensive peak under Gavin. And no don't try to throw that dead rubber game into the mix.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:54:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2018, 12:24:30 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 05, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Even a team full of limited playing personal can defend better than Roscommon are currently doing.
Here is a quote from James Horan
"Roscommon have numbers back in defence but their isn't any desire to put any tackle in,to slow down the opponent or to make them turn or to push and keep them out. They don't show any of the basics or understanding in defensive play"
Hard to disagree with any of that but the question is will improvement happen or will it be Déjà vu for Roscommon again next summer.
exactly there are players back but they are not good enough. the desire is clear when you see how some players try and get back. how else can you explain players being faster running forward then when thet are going towards own goal or pulling out of tackles etc.
I think its called players having their minds focused on attacking from the voices of the management and then not having a clue about their defensive duties because little or no work is done in that area. No surprise that the final four in the championship have a strong focus on defending first and attack second.
What Dublin team have you been watching?
Dublin under Pat Gilroy focused first on their defensive frailties and as Alan Brogan said recently they are now at their defensive peak under Gavin. And no don't try to throw that dead rubber game into the mix.
Dublin under Gavin focused on attack and tightened up a bit after they suffered their only lost since 2012 to Donegal in '14. They were so far ahead of everyone else it's even debatable if that change had any meaningful effect on their end results because that one match appears as much a fluke and and an act of Dublin hubris than any sort of inherent failing. The margin of comfort they enjoyed perhaps improved.
They're entire success is built off being the best attacking team in the country - defensively there are plenty of solid teams who aren't far off them but none even come close to Dublin on the front foot.
Not like you to get something wrong.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2018, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:54:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2018, 12:24:30 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 05, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Even a team full of limited playing personal can defend better than Roscommon are currently doing.
Here is a quote from James Horan
"Roscommon have numbers back in defence but their isn't any desire to put any tackle in,to slow down the opponent or to make them turn or to push and keep them out. They don't show any of the basics or understanding in defensive play"
Hard to disagree with any of that but the question is will improvement happen or will it be Déjà vu for Roscommon again next summer.
exactly there are players back but they are not good enough. the desire is clear when you see how some players try and get back. how else can you explain players being faster running forward then when thet are going towards own goal or pulling out of tackles etc.
I think its called players having their minds focused on attacking from the voices of the management and then not having a clue about their defensive duties because little or no work is done in that area. No surprise that the final four in the championship have a strong focus on defending first and attack second.
What Dublin team have you been watching?
Dublin under Pat Gilroy focused first on their defensive frailties and as Alan Brogan said recently they are now at their defensive peak under Gavin. And no don't try to throw that dead rubber game into the mix.
Dublin under Gavin focused on attack and tightened up a bit after they suffered their only lost since 2012 to Donegal in '14. They were so far ahead of everyone else it's even debatable if that change had any meaningful effect on their end results because that one match appears as much a fluke and and an act of Dublin hubris than any sort of inherent failing. The margin of comfort they enjoyed perhaps improved.
They're entire success is built off being the best attacking team in the country - defensively there are plenty of solid teams who aren't far off them but none even come close to Dublin on the front foot.
Not like you to get something wrong.
Not true. The improvement of their defence has played a huge part in their success and their counter attacking and turnover game has allowed their scoring totals to flourish and they are also smarter and wiser in possession than ever before. Against Donegal in 2014 was no fluke they were exposed on one of the few weaknesses they had at the time e.g easily caught on the counter attack and that no longer happens now.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:54:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2018, 12:24:30 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 05, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Even a team full of limited playing personal can defend better than Roscommon are currently doing.
Here is a quote from James Horan
"Roscommon have numbers back in defence but their isn't any desire to put any tackle in,to slow down the opponent or to make them turn or to push and keep them out. They don't show any of the basics or understanding in defensive play"
Hard to disagree with any of that but the question is will improvement happen or will it be Déjà vu for Roscommon again next summer.
exactly there are players back but they are not good enough. the desire is clear when you see how some players try and get back. how else can you explain players being faster running forward then when thet are going towards own goal or pulling out of tackles etc.
I think its called players having their minds focused on attacking from the voices of the management and then not having a clue about their defensive duties because little or no work is done in that area. No surprise that the final four in the championship have a strong focus on defending first and attack second.
What Dublin team have you been watching?
Dublin under Pat Gilroy focused first on their defensive frailties and as Alan Brogan said recently they are now at their defensive peak under Gavin. And no don't try to throw that dead rubber game into the mix.
Dublin under Gavin focused on attack and tightened up a bit after they suffered their only lost since 2012 to Donegal in '14. They were so far ahead of everyone else it's even debatable if that change had any meaningful effect on their end results because that one match appears as much a fluke and and an act of Dublin hubris than any sort of inherent failing. The margin of comfort they enjoyed perhaps improved.
They're entire success is built off being the best attacking team in the country - defensively there are plenty of solid teams who aren't far off them but none even come close to Dublin on the front foot.
Not like you to get something wrong.
Syferus, which Dublin team gave you been watching, have you seen Duboin apart from their training spins vs Roscommon. This Dublin team is built on Cian Sullivan marshalling a defence which counterattack when allowed...... they have issues on quick ball to full forwards and Rory O' Carroll was never replaced and there was no Cooper today.... but this is a very defendisely focused team, which we still shipped 4-24 against
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:54:16 AM
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 06, 2018, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 05, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
Even a team full of limited playing personal can defend better than Roscommon are currently doing.
Here is a quote from James Horan
"Roscommon have numbers back in defence but their isn't any desire to put any tackle in,to slow down the opponent or to make them turn or to push and keep them out. They don't show any of the basics or understanding in defensive play"
Hard to disagree with any of that but the question is will improvement happen or will it be Déjà vu for Roscommon again next summer.
exactly there are players back but they are not good enough. the desire is clear when you see how some players try and get back. how else can you explain players being faster running forward then when thet are going towards own goal or pulling out of tackles etc.
I think its called players having their minds focused on attacking from the voices of the management and then not having a clue about their defensive duties because little or no work is done in that area. No surprise that the final four in the championship have a strong focus on defending first and attack second.
What Dublin team have you been watching?
Dublin under Pat Gilroy focused first on their defensive frailties and as Alan Brogan said recently they are now at their defensive peak under Gavin. And no don't try to throw that dead rubber game into the mix.
Dublin under Gavin focused on attack and tightened up a bit after they suffered their only lost since 2012 to Donegal in '14. They were so far ahead of everyone else it's even debatable if that change had any meaningful effect on their end results because that one match appears as much a fluke and and an act of Dublin hubris than any sort of inherent failing. The margin of comfort they enjoyed perhaps improved.
They're entire success is built off being the best attacking team in the country - defensively there are plenty of solid teams who aren't far off them but none even come close to Dublin on the front foot.
Not like you to get something wrong.
Syferus, which Dublin team gave you been watching, have you seen Duboin apart from their training spins vs Roscommon. This Dublin team is built on Cian Sullivan marshalling a defence which counterattack when allowed...... they have issues on quick ball to full forwards and Rory O' Carroll was never replaced and there was no Cooper today.... but this is a very defendisely focused team, which we still shipped 4-24 against
Yeah, try and tell me Dublin are 'very defensive' again so I can get a good laugh a second time. They do the fundamentals well defensively but no team is better attacking, exploiting and creating space as Dublin. It is literally their calling card and the reason they will win this AI at a canter.
Much harder to teach that than the stuff Galway, Tyrone and Monaghan are at and calling it football. The sad fact is we'll have to join that group in butchering the sport to be halfways competitive at this level.
Until we stop shipping 4-19, 4-24 and 4-24 v the top teams , not to mention 4-12 v Cavan, we're going nowhere.
Cavan and Meath lost to Tyrone but they made them sweat. We didn't.
As I said earlier time for our busted flush management to do the dacent thing.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 05, 2018, 10:10:54 PM
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Roscommon County Chairman Seamus Sweeney to John Evans in 2015
"He (Evans) rang me and asked me what my thoughts were on him staying on. I told him that, as far as I was concerned, it was time to him and Roscommon to move on."
After 3 years of poorly conditioned teams and failing to develop any type of defensive structure against average teams (Cavan, Armagh) and good to very good teams (our 3 qtr final games), what are the thoughts of our chairman on a 4th year of this? Doubt we'll hear boo...
+1.
Home tired but not surprised at the expected walloping.
Smallest Ros crowd I've ever seen at a Championship match. Jases we got more at D4 games!!!
I won't go into rant mode ad that was all said 2 weeks ago.
What a pity our expensive management hadn't given Dana Petit a few games in winter, Spring and Summer!!!
To think they dropped Kelly from the panel earlier in the year.
Bright spots - some ooints Diarmuid and Donie. What has the latter to do to get a starting place?
Do the dacent thing Kevin and Liam.
the same people who wanted Evans to get an extra yr now not willing to give mcstay 1. despite 3 CFs 1 nestor promotion to D1 and stayed in d1 for a year also.
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
We need to stop over-egging stuff. We qualified for 3 Connacht finals because we had the easiest draws in Ireland. We did not have to meet Galway or Mayo once in last 3 years to qualify for a Connacht final. We won a Nestor and it was wonderful, but we beat a Galway team that was stuck in Division 2 for a few years, had been beaten by Div 3 Tipp the previous year, while we had been a Div 1 team for two years. In other words, we beat a team below us. We were already a promoted Div 1 side when McStay took over and while it was great to retain Div 1 in first year, it was achieved by hard training early in the year and was of little value when we struggled to beat New York by a point in championship and were eventually sent packing by Div 3 or 4 Clare.
Ask yourself this of McStay and McHale. If Mayo were offered a deal that all their stadium debts would be cleared and they get McStay as part of the package, would they take it? Would they hell. However, there's too many people in Ros county board and the local press in awe that we have a Sunday game panelist as our manager. Nice fella, was a handy forward back in the 80s, plays nice clean football but is so far divorced from reality of modern game and so it's time to hand over the reins in Ros before our players, the best we have produced in 2 generations, further regress.
I see the same four lads from Stolen Sheep have booted up their alt acounts here to launch into the same tiresome diatribes about McStay five pints in on a bank holiday Sunday. What idiots.
Quote from: weareros on August 06, 2018, 03:19:14 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 05, 2018, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 05, 2018, 10:10:54 PM
Quote from: weareros on August 05, 2018, 08:01:49 PM
Roscommon County Chairman Seamus Sweeney to John Evans in 2015
"He (Evans) rang me and asked me what my thoughts were on him staying on. I told him that, as far as I was concerned, it was time to him and Roscommon to move on."
After 3 years of poorly conditioned teams and failing to develop any type of defensive structure against average teams (Cavan, Armagh) and good to very good teams (our 3 qtr final games), what are the thoughts of our chairman on a 4th year of this? Doubt we'll hear boo...
+1.
Home tired but not surprised at the expected walloping.
Smallest Ros crowd I've ever seen at a Championship match. Jases we got more at D4 games!!!
I won't go into rant mode ad that was all said 2 weeks ago.
What a pity our expensive management hadn't given Dana Petit a few games in winter, Spring and Summer!!!
To think they dropped Kelly from the panel earlier in the year.
Bright spots - some ooints Diarmuid and Donie. What has the latter to do to get a starting place?
Do the dacent thing Kevin and Liam.
the same people who wanted Evans to get an extra yr now not willing to give mcstay 1. despite 3 CFs 1 nestor promotion to D1 and stayed in d1 for a year also.
it matters little who the manager is IMO as we have limited playing personal.
We need to stop over-egging stuff. We qualified for 3 Connacht finals because we had the easiest draws in Ireland. We did not have to meet Galway or Mayo once in last 3 years to qualify for a Connacht final. We won a Nestor and it was wonderful, but we beat a Galway team that was stuck in Division 2 for a few years, had been beaten by Div 3 Tipp the previous year, while we had been a Div 1 team for two years. In other words, we beat a team below us. We were already a promoted Div 1 side when McStay took over and while it was great to retain Div 1 in first year, it was achieved by hard training early in the year and was of little value when we struggled to beat New York by a point in championship and were eventually sent packing by Div 3 or 4 Clare.
Ask yourself this of McStay and McHale. If Mayo were offered a deal that all their stadium debts would be cleared and they get McStay as part of the package, would they take it? Would they hell. However, there's too many people in Ros county board and the local press in awe that we have a Sunday game panelist as our manager. Nice fella, was a handy forward back in the 80s, plays nice clean football but is so far divorced from reality of modern game and so it's time to hand over the reins in Ros before our players, the best we have produced in 2 generations, further regress.
We lost to d3 /d4 Sligo and Fermanagh with JE but people wanted to give him a fourth year. No nestors either. My point is the hypocrisy is clear to see, the dislike for Mcstay has been there from day 1 from people who thought JE should stay. Every chance they you have got you stick the boot in.
PHP, there's no dislike and I have on several occasions said I like Kevin and some of the most pleasant Ros football I have watched is under McStay. What criticism I have is football related and I don't see how he can transform in year 4 so we should consider a new approach and voice now before a year is wasted. I don't for example think McStay has the ability to dispense with McHale whose coaching is not up to standard, even through he has proclaimed himself the best coach in Ireland, a sure warning sign if ever there was one. Games under JE are irrelevant - he inherited a team stuck in Div 3 and the Murtaghs, Dalys and Smiths were u21 players. McStay and Fergal came back just as we got promoted to Div 1. We should not be at the stage in our development three years later when we are shipping 18 point losses to Tyrone and S&C looks woefully inadequate. The body language on some of the players in Tyrone and Donegal games was alarming. Signs need to be read and acted upon. Again nothing personal, just asking what is best course of action for our players.
Body language of players indeed.
The enthusiasm and energy displayed against Galway and the drawn Rhubarb game in 2017 is totally gone this Summer.
That's usually a sign that all is not as healthy as should be between players and management .
Can the current manager change course and do what's necessary e.g S&C, defensive coach, sensible team selections etc. On the latter I'm told we had 10 different CHBs in 13 Competitive games. Full back must be nearly the same.
Madness.
I have no confidence in the current regime based on what I see on the field (not some personal dislike as 1 or 2 seem to think).
I hear rumours of a new fundraiser coming soon.
Will be a hard sell after conceding 8-68 in 3 games.
Never thought I'd say this but Syferus is right about Dublin. To call the dubs defensive is a joke. They are solid defensively and that is different to playing a defensive game. The reason Cian O'Sullivan is often the spare man is because the opposition bring forwards back to defend so he is left free.
I'm fairness to Roscommom yesterday they kept playing yesterday and could have shipped a serious beating. Fitzsimoms will be happy to see the back of Murtagh. Kicked some great points yesterday
Body language of players. Yet not one comment on who these players are or that they are responsible for pulling out of tackle or not tracking back etc. it's something to do with management!!! I'm not saying that mightn't be the case but players are given a free ride because of the opinion of management.
Players in general across most counties are given more latitude as they are amateurs...
Highly expensed managers / coaches tend to get the critique that goes with the territory,
Incidentally what happened eamknn fitzmsurice was a disgrace
I wonder how our benefactor feels about his protégés now?
He's probably the only one that can get Kevin out of his own arse and into the real world.
I laughed at an oul buck I know at the time when he said only Ros Co Board would dump 2 Kerrymen and replace them with 2 Mayomen.
I'm not laughing now -and no 2 bucks - I'm not hankering after the Evans era which along with "ye hate McStay" seems to be ye're stock response to the justified criticism of our management.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 06, 2018, 12:09:51 PM
Never thought I'd say this but Syferus is right about Dublin. To call the dubs defensive is a joke. They are solid defensively and that is different to playing a defensive game. The reason Cian O'Sullivan is often the spare man is because the opposition bring forwards back to defend so he is left free.
I'm fairness to Roscommom yesterday they kept playing yesterday and could have shipped a serious beating. Fitzsimoms will be happy to see the back of Murtagh. Kicked some great points yesterday
???
what would you call a serious beating?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2018, 01:15:40 PM
I wonder how our benefactor feels about his protégés now?
He's probably the only one that can get Kevin out of his own arse and into the real world.
I laughed at an oul buck I know at the time when he said only Ros Co Board would dump 2 Kerrymen and replace them with 2 Mayomen.
I'm not laughing now -and no 2 bucks - I'm not hankering after the Evans era which along with "ye hate McStay" seems to be ye're stock response to the justified criticism of our management.
Or your stock response of the "rich benefactors" or your attempts not to be harking back to a time we had kerrymen and losing to Sligo. There are valid concerns about management but I'd rather discuss them with someone who doesn't think Kevin needs to get out of his own arse and has no agenda.
There you go again Pearse -attacking the poster and implying I've an agenda. And you got the mistaken stock comment about hankering after Evans in too.
Why can't you discuss the points raised in my post at 12.08.41?
You have an agenda. The masks slips every so often. It's clear to anyone who reads your post. Have you a wry smile like those in Boyle!!
I seen your posts harking back to losing by a couple of points to mayo and Tyrone in 13 and 14.so deny it all you like. By the way We drew with Mayo last year and beat Galway. Something we have rarely done in 25 years. Look at the players we have and maybe take that advise you are giving kevin and get your head out of your arse into the real world. Other than Monaghan no other county with a population as low as ours is doing as well.
I've never claimed Mcstay is the right person. I don't care if eamon o hara is the manager. we are a limited outfit and regardless who is in the hot seat it will make little or no difference.
My agenda is I want to see our team properly managed, selected, trained, organised etc so that they can at least avoid double digit hammerings.
Those players you Diss are the ones who bet Galway and drew with Mayowestros.
If you have nothing better to do than trawling through my posts.....carry on.
You still didn't address the points I made at 12.08.
Do you think the presentime management, 3 years later will change tack and deliver on S&C, defensive organisation, settled 3,6 especially and get the players back to the enthusiastic bunch they were Summer 17.
What was stopping every other manager since 90/91 achieving what McStay has given they too enjoyed plenty of 'soft draws' and didn't have all these 'glaring weaknesses' in selection policy, o Great Rossfan?
No your agenda is to snipe and make snide comments I am not dissing players I am saying they are not at the same level as Dublin Tyrone etc. I am also questioning there ability to put in as much effort going forward or coming back. That is not S&c or fitness. You assume that is managements fault I just don't know if that's true.
Cathal Cregg Niall Daly Conor Daly Domican all out at least a year from the panel.
Harney Compton continually injured. Could go the way of Higgins.
Fintan Cregg Mcmanus both Lennon's both stacks all got injuries this year along with both dalys.
Mul took a year off. We as a county can not afford that to have that many key players not 100%.
Most counties in Leinster get double digit defeats to Dublin and some teams are getting close to that level and dishing out similar defeats.
McStay has acheived nothing of note with that Roscommon team. Time for him to McLeave.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 06, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
McStay has acheived nothing of note with that Roscommon team. Time for him to McLeave.
League semi final
Connacht championship title
Division 2 winners
Last 8
It's not too bad
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 06, 2018, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 06, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
McStay has acheived nothing of note with that Roscommon team. Time for him to McLeave.
League semi final
Connacht championship title
Division 2 winners
Last 8
It's not too bad
Last 8 after beating Leitrim and Armagh. Every year Roscommon have the same glaring weaknesses but they never seem to be addressed
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 06, 2018, 02:35:16 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 06, 2018, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 06, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
McStay has acheived nothing of note with that Roscommon team. Time for him to McLeave.
League semi final
Connacht championship title
Division 2 winners
Last 8
It's not too bad
Last 8 after beating Leitrim and Armagh. Every year Roscommon have the same glaring weaknesses but they never seem to be addressed
Pot kettle.... mayo forwards
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 06, 2018, 02:06:40 PM
No your agenda is to snipe and make snide comments
There you go again.
Disgraceful comment.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2018, 02:05:05 PM
What was stopping every other manager since 90/91 achieving what McStay has given they too enjoyed plenty of 'soft draws' and didn't have all these 'glaring weaknesses' in selection policy, o Great Rossfan?
We produce a good team every ten or even 15 years, as to be expected from a county with a small population. I would say McStay has inherited players from our most successful underage run in modern times, more so than McDermott, Toibin, Carr and O'Donnell, and yet he has the 3 worst results in modern times in All-Ireland series. But here goes of those who qualified for All Ireland series, a ranking of sorts. Going from memory so apologies for any errors.
1991 - All-Ireland semi-final, 1 point defeat to All-Ireland runners up, Meath (Manager Marty McDermott)
1990 - All-Ireland semi-final, 7 point defeat to All-Ireland champions, Cork (Manager Marty McDermott)
2017 - All-Ireland qtr final (draw with Mayo but followed by our worst every results) (Manager Kevin McStay)
2003 - All-Ireland qtr final - 5 point defeat to Kerry (Manager Tommy Carr)
2001 - All-Ireland qtr final, 6 point defeat to All-Ireland champions, Galway (Manager John Toibin)
2018 - All-Ireland qtr final, 7 point defeat to Donegal (Manager Kevin McStay)
2010 - All-Ireland qtr final, 9 point defeat to All-Ireland champions, Cork (Manager Fergal O'Donnell)
2018 - All-Ireland qtr final, 14 point defeat to reigning All-Ireland champions Dublin (Manager Kevin McStay)
2018 - All-Ireland qtr final, 18 point defeat to Tyrone (Manager Kevin McStay)
2017 - All-Ireland qtr final, 22 point defeat to All-Ireland runners up Mayo (Manager McStay)* This one after a replay.
he might have some of the worst but also the best. he has been there 2/3 attempts better than most of those others managers. in the other years we went out to some poorer teams. he is not messiah, he moves on so be it doesnt bother me but thinking that will bring about a change in fortunes is IMO fanciful. we will be back here again in 2/3 years or 1 potentially one like Des
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 06, 2018, 04:52:38 PM
he might have some of the worst but also the best. he has been there 2/3 attempts better than most of those others managers. in the other years we went out to some poorer teams. he is not messiah, he moves on so be it doesnt bother me but thinking that will bring about a change in fortunes is IMO fanciful. we will be back here again in 2/3 years or 1 potentially one like Des
He had one isolated good result only if you take the Mayo qtr final in isolation but you can't because we lost the replay by 22 points once Mayo stepped it up, and owned midfield once Parsons was back. Keep in mind that Mayo team went to extra time with Cork the week before they played us. So the real data shows that McStay, who has inherited the most successful underage crop in our modern history, has actually the very worst All-Ireland series record - and his defeats are worse by a long shot. Lookit, he's not always up against brilliant managers when you see a name like Tommy Carr higher up the charts. Looking at the data (and data is not personal), it would behoove us a county to ask, are we getting the best out of our current crop of players? I am not of the opinion that we are and I do not have a confidence that the current management can turn this around. However, since they are getting another year without any close scrutiny, I hope and pray that they can because beatings like these start to become the norm and eat at players confidence.
Indeed weareros, or they may say feck this I'm away to have a life.
Like you I have no confidence current management can turn things around or change their ways.
Pity our local media wouldn't put them under a bit more scrutiny though.
The problem is you never had any confidence and were attacking McStay from square one. People can see your agenda.
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Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 06, 2018, 04:52:38 PM
he might have some of the worst but also the best. he has been there 2/3 attempts better than most of those others managers. in the other years we went out to some poorer teams. he is not messiah, he moves on so be it doesnt bother me but thinking that will bring about a change in fortunes is IMO fanciful. we will be back here again in 2/3 years or 1 potentially one like Des
He had one isolated good result only if you take the Mayo qtr final in isolation but you can't because we lost the replay by 22 points once Mayo stepped it up, and owned midfield once Parsons was back. Keep in mind that Mayo team went to extra time with Cork the week before they played us. So the real data shows that McStay, who has inherited the most successful underage crop in our modern history, has actually the very worst All-Ireland series record - and his defeats are worse by a long shot. Lookit, he's not always up against brilliant managers when you see a name like Tommy Carr higher up the charts. Looking at the data (and data is not personal), it would behoove us a county to ask, are we getting the best out of our current crop of players? I am not of the opinion that we are and I do not have a confidence that the current management can turn this around. However, since they are getting another year without any close scrutiny, I hope and pray that they can because beatings like these start to become the norm and eat at players confidence.
That's the same mayo that lost the all Ireland final by 1 pt. Spin it whatever way you want. Look at the data tell me the last manager to win Nestor get to back to back qfs and get to D1 league semi and win d2. The last manager to beat Kerry donegal or even Galway.
I'll just call out the hypocrisy of those who wanted a 4 yr for JE, then spent 3 yrs over analyzing everything McStay has done and don't think he deserves a 4th year. Again I don't care who manages Ros I just think Rossies need to be realistic about the level of players we have compared to the bigger teams. Imo changing managers will make little difference. McStay needs to consider his future and have a hard look at this year. When getting to Qfs and winning d2 is not enough we will be changing managers very regularly.
It can be spun loads of ways but has a county manager on megabucks ever survived losing 2 championship matches bynovrr 15 points s year after losing one by 22.... ?
Nigel Dineen could do no worse but posters here would hang him of a lamp post for those sort of performances.....
And I don't want Nigel in charge either....
Has McStsy list the dressing room??? Today is a very important day in the short/ medium term future
Quote from: Orchard park on August 06, 2018, 09:02:51 PM
It can be spun loads of ways but has a county manager on megabucks ever survived losing 2 championship matches bynovrr 15 points s year after losing one by 22.... ?
Nigel Dineen could do no worse but posters here would hang him of a lamp post for those sort of performances.....
And I don't want Nigel in charge either....
Has McStsy list the dressing room??? Today is a very important day in the short/ medium term future
Have a look at the state he left Castlerea in if fûcking Nige is the idea of a replacement for McStay.
Today is very important? Ya what? Today is probably the least important day of the year. McStay is going to be there in 2019 so you'd best get over yourself and accept that fact.
Quote from: Orchard park on August 06, 2018, 09:02:51 PM
It can be spun loads of ways but has a county manager on megabucks ever survived losing 2 championship matches bynovrr 15 points s year after losing one by 22.... ?
Has McStsy list the dressing room???
Quite possibly.
If he's to stay he'll need to majorly Re invent himself and his backroom.
If we have the same again Club Rossie can forget it.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2018, 09:43:40 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 06, 2018, 09:02:51 PM
It can be spun loads of ways but has a county manager on megabucks ever survived losing 2 championship matches bynovrr 15 points s year after losing one by 22.... ?
Nigel Dineen could do no worse but posters here would hang him of a lamp post for those sort of performances.....
And I don't want Nigel in charge either....
Has McStsy list the dressing room??? Today is a very important day in the short/ medium term future
Have a look at the state he left Castlerea in if fûcking Nige is the idea of a replacement for McStay.
Today is very important? Ya what? Today is probably the least important day of the year. McStay is going to be there in 2019 so you'd best get over yourself and accept that fact.
The bank holiday Monday after a championship is a recipe for drunken rows, players no longer fearing dropping letting fly with honest opinions.... yes Syferus if you were ever in a team of a management it's a day that could decide a year......
I know Mcstay will be there , you seem to think every one who called out tye many mistakes before you spotted them has an anti mcstay agenda, I don't at all, I know he needs to do better., he will never love Roscommon like you or I , unlike you l know him for over 30 years, I have a very different view of the game than he has, maybe I'm cynical, may be he's idealistic but as long as he takes Ballymore largesse he is fair game for constructive criticism....
Anyways I'm off to enjoy the hurling now and hope to chfudt My adopted home can win after many false dawns over 37 yesrs
Quote from: Orchard park on August 07, 2018, 12:36:26 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2018, 09:43:40 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 06, 2018, 09:02:51 PM
It can be spun loads of ways but has a county manager on megabucks ever survived losing 2 championship matches bynovrr 15 points s year after losing one by 22.... ?
Nigel Dineen could do no worse but posters here would hang him of a lamp post for those sort of performances.....
And I don't want Nigel in charge either....
Has McStsy list the dressing room??? Today is a very important day in the short/ medium term future
Have a look at the state he left Castlerea in if fûcking Nige is the idea of a replacement for McStay.
Today is very important? Ya what? Today is probably the least important day of the year. McStay is going to be there in 2019 so you'd best get over yourself and accept that fact.
The bank holiday Monday after a championship is a recipe for drunken rows, players no longer fearing dropping letting fly with honest opinions.... yes Syferus if you were ever in a team of a management it's a day that could decide a year......
I know Mcstay will be there , you seem to think every one who called out tye many mistakes before you spotted them has an anti mcstay agenda, I don't at all, I know he needs to do better., he will never love Roscommon like you or I , unlike you l know him for over 30 years, I have a very different view of the game than he has, maybe I'm cynical, may be he's idealistic but as long as he takes Ballymore largesse he is fair game for constructive criticism....
Anyways I'm off to enjoy the hurling now and hope to chfudt My adopted home can win after many false dawns over 37 yesrs
The days that decided the year were the Cavan league game, the CF, the Armagh game and the Tyrone game. Bitching and moaning today is utterly inconsequential.
FFS McStay literally said after the Tyrone game a more defensive approach would probably be needed in the winter break so don't pretend like he hasn't got the message. There's a lot of difference between fair criticism and having an anti-McStay agenda. A few posters here fall very clearly into the later camp.
Those of us who understand football said that after the 2016 league semi final so your hero is avery slow learner.
He facilitated his old brigids buddy then to orchestrate a despicable shafting of fergal o'donnell in the harvest of 2016 and pleaded innocence. He woukd gave her better served to listen yo the experienced coach: manager instead of what transpired..
Despite allmif the above he remains manager and Iwish him and all others a better 2019 and hope he hasn't lost the dressing room already
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2018, 01:20:07 AM
FFS McStay literally said after the Throne game a more defensive approach would probably be needed in the winter break so don't pretend like he hasn't got the message. There's a lot of difference between fair criticism and having an anti-McStay agenda. A few posters here fall very clearly into the later camp.
Syferus, at the slightest criticism you literally want to put posters in the studio with Gay Sheerin talking shite to the Clare man. I don't think there was ever any criticism of McStay when he was chosen as Ros manager. Any criticism was directed at county board for the classless way they treated Evans. I recall you were a very vocal critic of the chairman, even asking him to consider his position. McStay and O'Donnell were very well liked for their brilliant achievements of winning All-Irelands with Bridgets and Ros Minors. The criticism began in year two and I believe there were 3 reasons: 1) after the very good league, supporters were shocked at the struggle versus NY, the poor quality of the game in Salthill, the hammering in Castlebar, and being knocked out by Clare. However, this was eventually forgiven as a team that was gassed for championship after putting too much into league 2) the fallout from the ousting of Fergal O'Donnell - but most moved on 3) the strange decision to not call back Conor and Ronan Daly after they opted to go to US. I and many were very vocal critics that this was wrong on McStay's part, as it should have been a fresh start when he became sole manager. Don't take back any of that.
Now correct me if I am wrong, when McStay acted more sensibly in saying Sean Mullooly would be welcome back next year after opting for US this year, you were the one asking why one rule for the Dalys...
I actually think this was a case of McStay learning. The whole Daly fiasco was destructive for all concerned and I don't think those lads have recovered since. But credit to McStay he fixed that. So here's hoping he can fix other mistakes and there's frig all wrong from supporters pointing out stuff. You have done it. We don't hate Kevin. I rather enjoyed him hopping the football off the linesman's head. We just want best for Ros football. His current approach won't work. But he's shown he has learned on other issues so we live in hope. Over and out.
apparently there are those who know football and very slow learner like McStay. There's was a very pro JE element anti McStay for the beginning saying otherwise is a downright lie.
The fall out from Fergal was if you read his statement was that him and McStay agreed it wasn't working and fergal decided for the good of ros football not to go for the role. He was critical of people in the background but not McStay. This didn't stop posters having a go. Again see OP post above.
He did call back the Daly's but they refused but as you say you were a vocal critic because he didn't call them back. The lads haven't recovered as they missed 2/3 years county football. But it's easier to blame McStay.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 07, 2018, 07:21:38 AM
apparently there are those who know football and very slow learner like McStay. There's was a very pro JE element anti McStay for the beginning saying otherwise is a downright lie.
The fall out from Fergal was if you read his statement was that him and McStay agreed it wasn't working and fergal decided for the good of ros football not to go for the role. He was critical of people in the background but not McStay. This didn't stop posters having a go. Again see OP post above.
He did call back the Daly's but they refused but as you say you were a vocal critic because he didn't call them back. The lads haven't recovered as they missed 2/3 years county football. But it's easier to blame McStay.
I'm nearly sure the Dalys played for Roscommon in 2016 meaning they missed out on one year of county football. Why was Niall Daly an unused sub the last two games,Conor Daly not even on the bench the last few games and why was the youngest brother Ronan dropped off the championship panel when he was starting NFL games this spring and will any of the three Dalys be part of the Roscommon panel next year?
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Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 07, 2018, 07:21:38 AM
apparently there are those who know football and very slow learner like McStay. There's was a very pro JE element anti McStay for the beginning saying otherwise is a downright lie.
The fall out from Fergal was if you read his statement was that him and McStay agreed it wasn't working and fergal decided for the good of ros football not to go for the role. He was critical of people in the background but not McStay. This didn't stop posters having a go. Again see OP post above.
He did call back the Daly's but they refused but as you say you were a vocal critic because he didn't call them back. The lads haven't recovered as they missed 2/3 years county football. But it's easier to blame McStay.
I'm nearly sure the Dalys played for Roscommon in 2016 meaning they missed out on one year of county football. Why was Niall Daly an unused sub the last two games,Conor Daly not even on the bench the last few games and why was the youngest brother Ronan dropped off the championship panel when he was starting NFL games this spring and will any of the three Dalys be part of the Roscommon panel next year?
Conor and Ronan missed half of 16 also. Conor was carrying an injury I believe. Niall started against Armagh and was at fault for peno and their goal. He was also returning from injury and looks out of form. Although you could say that about all backs. I don't know why Ronan was cut I didn't see enough of him so i cannot comment. I cannot predict the future either so I don't know if they will be involved.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 07, 2018, 09:13:50 AM
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Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 07, 2018, 07:21:38 AM
apparently there are those who know football and very slow learner like McStay. There’s was a very pro JE element anti McStay for the beginning saying otherwise is a downright lie.
The fall out from Fergal was if you read his statement was that him and McStay agreed it wasn’t working and fergal decided for the good of ros football not to go for the role. He was critical of people in the background but not McStay. This didn’t stop posters having a go. Again see OP post above.
He did call back the Daly’s but they refused but as you say you were a vocal critic because he didn’t call them back. The lads haven’t recovered as they missed 2/3 years county football. But it’s easier to blame McStay.
I'm nearly sure the Dalys played for Roscommon in 2016 meaning they missed out on one year of county football. Why was Niall Daly an unused sub the last two games,Conor Daly not even on the bench the last few games and why was the youngest brother Ronan dropped off the championship panel when he was starting NFL games this spring and will any of the three Dalys be part of the Roscommon panel next year?
Conor and Ronan missed half of 16 also. Conor was carrying an injury I believe. Niall started against Armagh and was at fault for peno and their goal. He was also returning from injury and looks out of form. Although you could say that about all backs. I don’t know why Ronan was cut I didn’t see enough of him so i cannot comment. I cannot predict the future either so I don’t know if they will be involved.
In 2016 they got a full pre-season training under their belts and a good Div one campaign which included rare away wins over Donegal,Kerry they should be fitter and more championship ready than for example Timothy,Pettit who weren't on a county senior panel before this summer. Against Armagh the penalty was given for a foot block and the goal the Roscommon full back line was caught napping with a high ball played in i don't recall Niall Daly at fault for either.
Has Peter Domican recovered when he spent much longer away from county football? Conor Devaney played better once he took a break away maybe recovery is different for certain players. Was going to ask will Cian Connolly,Neill Collins,Sean Mullooly recover if they return but of course you cannot predict the future.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 07, 2018, 07:21:38 AM
apparently there are those who know football and very slow learner like McStay. There's was a very pro JE element anti McStay for the beginning saying otherwise is a downright lie.
The fall out from Fergal was if you read his statement was that him and McStay agreed it wasn't working and fergal decided for the good of ros football not to go for the role. He was critical of people in the background but not McStay. This didn't stop posters having a go. Again see OP post above.
He did call back the Daly's but they refused but as you say you were a vocal critic because he didn't call them back. The lads haven't recovered as they missed 2/3 years county football. But it's easier to blame McStay.
Were they called back straight away or were they called back, as we know, just before the 2017 Championship when they had already plans for Summer? The devil is in the details.
We all know Fergal was vilified and shafted in case the Club delegates would vote for him rather than McStay.
However that's the past - where do we go from here?
Not a happy camp at the moment so moneyman, Co Board and management have some serious reappraising to do.
Domican clearly hasn't recovered and isn't the player he was before he left but he was gone for a long timed more than the Daly's.
Niall had his back to the ball in the middle of the pitch for the kickout that was caught and then that led to the goal. He also let his man inside along the line for the psss to the Armagh player who had his shot blocked by his foot. J. Hall also did very well agsinst him. I'll just add No backs come out looking good this year.
Correct I don't know what shape they will come back in. Likely to be worst than if they if they had been part of the panel. I've based Conor and Niall comeback on the form and pace they shown this year when I saw them.
The happy camp you mention - is that your opinion or have players/board/moneyman made statements. I don't anyone is happy with the last 3 games but promotion and getting to s8 is something not to be dismissed completely. If Fergal was vilified and shafted what do you call what McStay has been getting. I don't agree Fergal was vilified or shafted as I think there is better language to describe what occurred 2 years ago. He came out worst off but did the right thing for ros football at his own expense so to speak once he and McStay decided to part. .
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 07, 2018, 07:21:38 AM
apparently there are those who know football and very slow learner like McStay. There's was a very pro JE element anti McStay for the beginning saying otherwise is a downright lie.
The fall out from Fergal was if you read his statement was that him and McStay agreed it wasn't working and fergal decided for the good of ros football not to go for the role. He was critical of people in the background but not McStay. This didn't stop posters having a go. Again see OP post above.
He did call back the Daly's but they refused but as you say you were a vocal critic because he didn't call them back. The lads haven't recovered as they missed 2/3 years county football. But it's easier to blame McStay.
fergie made a statement for the better of Roscommon football, and to try and can what were troubled waters......how literally accurate 're McStay was will remain open to conjecture .....
Personally wasn't in any John Evans camp, thought he had run his course as most do after 3 years. My opinion at time based on his great work here in Limerick was Kearns was the man to taken over but that's all water under the bridge now..
Trying to deflect criticism of the current management by continually dragging in John Evans is nothe on.
He was shabbily treated 3 years ago.
However most felt his time was up but to have the Executive proposing him and then other Officers going behind their backs organising another scenario was not the way to do things.
That's the past.
Where do we go from here?
PS I see our Co Sec is being readied for his long wished for Political career.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2018, 12:46:16 PM
Where do we go from here?
We await instructions from The Hatch. The good gentlemen there will decide shortly.
/Jim
Finger on pulse there Jim ;D
Maybe we need to start with that nest.
Jees lads I would swap 2018 with ye any day. :o
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 07, 2018, 08:51:07 PM
Jees lads I would swap 2018 with ye any day. :o
Sligo have one thing in common with Roscommon this year. Conceding 4-24 to All Ireland semi finalist.
But we did it twice :-[
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 02, 2018, 07:29:25 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2018, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2018, 12:19:31 AM
It's Championship
It's Croker
It's Dublin
Integrity of the competition
They want to embarrass us even more
Ros get to play in August 2 years in succession. This makes McStay our greatest ever manager per Syfīn.
Your camapaign to get him removed really fell flat on its face, didn't it?
Come back in September and see who has egg on their face
Have you next week's lotto numbers monte?😀
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 02, 2018, 07:29:25 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2018, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2018, 12:19:31 AM
It's Championship
It's Croker
It's Dublin
Integrity of the competition
They want to embarrass us even more
Ros get to play in August 2 years in succession. This makes McStay our greatest ever manager per Syfīn.
Your camapaign to get him removed really fell flat on its face, didn't it?
Come back in September and see who has egg on their face
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Quote from: Rossfan on September 05, 2018, 07:45:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 02, 2018, 07:29:25 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2018, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2018, 12:19:31 AM
It's Championship
It's Croker
It's Dublin
Integrity of the competition
They want to embarrass us even more
Ros get to play in August 2 years in succession. This makes McStay our greatest ever manager per Syfīn.
Your camapaign to get him removed really fell flat on its face, didn't it?
Come back in September and see who has egg on their face
Have you next week's lotto numbers monte?😀
I think you're losing it, not that you had it to begin with.