It's hilarious looking at the Dubs crying into their soup over the lack of a neutral venue for the Tipp game, when their footballers play at 'home' almost every big game?
It's ok to drag Laois up to Parnell Park, on a day when their footballers were playing in Portlaoise earlier in the day, but Dublin should get a neutral venue?
The Croke Park sponsorship/financial doping of Dublin may have worked in football, creating a semi-professional team, but the hurling experiment has failed. Get over it Dublin. You're a Tier2 hurling county at best and this is what the GAA does to the non-elite. Don't worry, there's plenty of us down here.
You will find some Dublin football supporters claim it's a disadvantage to play at home as the opposition are more up for it. So they and the 431 Dublin hurling supporters will be looking forward to their trip to the home of hurling.
This will be the last time it will happen.
From here on the hurlers will be treated like the footballers and play where they want to
The fascination with all things Dublin continues. Another thread on Dublin, perhaps it would be better to start up a Dublin thread in January every year, and just post your bias and hatred there.
2 separate sports, different teams and generally different supporters, the qualifiers are meant to be neutral venue as highlighted in the bi-laws, for example Tipp played Offaly in Portlaiose in 2014. If the Dublin footballers went through the qualifier route more often then you might see more neutral venue otherwise the games get fixed home and away.
The GAA make the fixtures, not Dublin.
Croke Park in meant to be neutral.
Grow up.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 08:38:07 AM
The fascination with all things Dublin continues. Another thread on Dublin, perhaps it would be better to start up a Dublin thread in January every year, and just post your bias and hatred there.
2 separate sports, different teams and generally different supporters, the qualifiers are meant to be neutral venue as highlighted in the bi-laws, for example Tipp played Offaly in Portlaiose in 2014. If the Dublin footballers went through the qualifier route more often then you might see more neutral venue otherwise the games get fixed home and away.
The GAA make the fixtures, not Dublin.
Croke Park in meant to be neutral.
Grow up.
if croke park was on the isle of mann it'd be neutral
but it ain't
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 08:38:07 AM
The fascination with all things Dublin continues. Another thread on Dublin, perhaps it would be better to start up a Dublin thread in January every year, and just post your bias and hatred there.
2 separate sports, different teams and generally different supporters, the qualifiers are meant to be neutral venue as highlighted in the bi-laws, for example Tipp played Offaly in Portlaiose in 2014. If the Dublin footballers went through the qualifier route more often then you might see more neutral venue otherwise the games get fixed home and away.
The GAA make the fixtures, not Dublin.
Croke Park in meant to be neutral.
Grow up.
;D ;)
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
7
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
The highly paid Ger Cunningham is hardly going to disagree with his employers.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
What's being a "nordie" got to do with knowledge of Dublin hurling?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2017, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
7
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
The highly paid Ger Cunningham is hardly going to disagree with his employers.
Why do you care Dinny about Dublin hurling and hurling in general, your obsessed with the Dubs, id be more worried about the amount of money paid to McGeeney during his tenure , when your own county players had to go out an collect funds and build their own gym in one of the most wealthiest counties in Ireland.
Please don't disrespect Ger, he won 3 all Irelands as a player, 4 all stars, he loves hurling. Im sorry, there is no respect on this site anymore. Same clowns who post here ,post Hoganstand and use to post on An fear Rua.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2017, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
7
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
The highly paid Ger Cunningham is hardly going to disagree with his employers.
Why do you care Dinny about Dublin hurling and hurling in general, your obsessed with the Dubs, id be more worried about the amount of money paid to McGeeney during his tenure , when your own county players had to go out an collect funds and build their own gym in one of the most wealthiest counties in Ireland.
Please don't disrespect Ger, he won 3 all Irelands as a player, 4 all stars, he loves hurling. Im sorry, there is no respect on this site anymore. Same clowns who post here ,post Hoganstand and use to post on An fear Rua.
Ha! The irony is delicious.
Dublin play over 90% of their football c'ship games in Croke Park effectively making it their home ground. Doesnt matter a shite what other counties think or say. The location of the fixture stays the same.
Dublin hurlers have to go to another counties home ground and they are complaining about it.
The Greatest - can you see any irony or double standards in that?
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2017, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
7
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
The highly paid Ger Cunningham is hardly going to disagree with his employers.
Why do you care Dinny about Dublin hurling and hurling in general, your obsessed with the Dubs, id be more worried about the amount of money paid to McGeeney during his tenure , when your own county players had to go out an collect funds and build their own gym in one of the most wealthiest counties in Ireland.
Please don't disrespect Ger, he won 3 all Irelands as a player, 4 all stars, he loves hurling. Im sorry, there is no respect on this site anymore. Same clowns who post here ,post Hoganstand and use to post on An fear Rua.
Never mind the money Jim Gavin is on. Well in to 6 figures.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2017, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
7
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
The highly paid Ger Cunningham is hardly going to disagree with his employers.
Why do you care Dinny about Dublin hurling and hurling in general, your obsessed with the Dubs, id be more worried about the amount of money paid to McGeeney during his tenure , when your own county players had to go out an collect funds and build their own gym in one of the most wealthiest counties in Ireland.
Please don't disrespect Ger, he won 3 all Irelands as a player, 4 all stars, he loves hurling. Im sorry, there is no respect on this site anymore. Same clowns who post here ,post Hoganstand and use to post on An fear Rua.
There's plenty of disrespect shown towards Ger from Dublin before you start worrying about it on this DB.
Are people saying if Dublin built a new 50K stadium in Dublin that playing in Croker would no longer feel like a home game for them?
What do people understand as being the advantages to being the home team?
Have many of here actually stood on Hill 16 when the Dubs have a big game in Croker?
Are you aware they sing Hill16 is Dublin ONLY?
If it was agreed this year that the All Ireland final between Dublin and Kerry would be played in Killarney do you think Dublin would be as confident of winning?
How about if they moved it to the new Cork stadium next year as a trial?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2017, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
7
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
The highly paid Ger Cunningham is hardly going to disagree with his employers.
It's common knowledge Dublin don't "pay" their managers. Before Anthony Daly got the job they approached Nicky English as he works in Dublin but they couldn't afford his "expenses". To be fair he did recommend Anthony Daly so that worked out in the end.
The majority of Dublin hurling fans don't follow the footballers and the Dublin hurlers play the majority of their home games in Parnell Park. If Kilkenny drew Tipp it wouldn't have been played in Thurles.
It might have you know. The GAA are big on Double headers in the hurling at this stage. I think it's great.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 04, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2017, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
7
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
The highly paid Ger Cunningham is hardly going to disagree with his employers.
It's common knowledge Dublin don't "pay" their managers. Before Anthony Daly got the job they approached Nicky English as he works in Dublin but they couldn't afford his "expenses". To be fair he did recommend Anthony Daly so that worked out in the end.
The majority of Dublin hurling fans don't follow the footballers and the Dublin hurlers play the majority of their home games in Parnell Park. If Kilkenny drew Tipp it wouldn't have been played in Thurles.
Ha! Nicky English, Anthony Daly, Ger Cunningham, some of the highest profile names in hurling and we're expected to believe they will manage Dublin for expenses and their love of Dublin hurling.
This is turning into my favourite thread.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 10:45:12 AM
Are people saying if Dublin built a new 50K stadium in Dublin that playing in Croker would no longer feel like a home game for them?
What do people understand as being the advantages to being the home team?
Have many of here actually stood on Hill 16 when the Dubs have a big game in Croker?
Are you aware they sing Hill16 is Dublin ONLY?
If it was agreed this year that the All Ireland final between Dublin and Kerry would be played in Killarney do you think Dublin would be as confident of winning?
How about if they moved it to the new Cork stadium next year as a trial?
There wouldn't be a problem playing qtr finals/semi finals/all irelands in Cork/Killarney or anywhere else if that's what was agreed at the start of the season. The problem the dubs have is these games where meant to be at nuetral venues and suddenly GAA decide to change the rules to make a couple of €€€
Quote from: dublin7 on July 04, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2017, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
7
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
The highly paid Ger Cunningham is hardly going to disagree with his employers.
It's common knowledge Dublin don't "pay" their managers. Before Anthony Daly got the job they approached Nicky English as he works in Dublin but they couldn't afford his "expenses". To be fair he did recommend Anthony Daly so that worked out in the end.
The majority of Dublin hurling fans don't follow the footballers and the Dublin hurlers play the majority of their home games in Parnell Park. If Kilkenny drew Tipp it wouldn't have been played in Thurles.
So Cunningham is getting magic beans is it?
:o
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 10:45:12 AM
Are people saying if Dublin built a new 50K stadium in Dublin that playing in Croker would no longer feel like a home game for them?
What do people understand as being the advantages to being the home team?
Have many of here actually stood on Hill 16 when the Dubs have a big game in Croker?
Are you aware they sing Hill16 is Dublin ONLY?
If it was agreed this year that the All Ireland final between Dublin and Kerry would be played in Killarney do you think Dublin would be as confident of winning?
How about if they moved it to the new Cork stadium next year as a trial?
Seems it won't be ready that soon.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 04, 2017, 10:53:11 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 10:45:12 AM
Are people saying if Dublin built a new 50K stadium in Dublin that playing in Croker would no longer feel like a home game for them?
What do people understand as being the advantages to being the home team?
Have many of here actually stood on Hill 16 when the Dubs have a big game in Croker?
Are you aware they sing Hill16 is Dublin ONLY?
If it was agreed this year that the All Ireland final between Dublin and Kerry would be played in Killarney do you think Dublin would be as confident of winning?
How about if they moved it to the new Cork stadium next year as a trial?
There wouldn't be a problem playing qtr finals/semi finals/all irelands in Cork/Killarney or anywhere else if that's what was agreed at the start of the season. The problem the dubs have is these games where meant to be at nuetral venues and suddenly GAA decide to change the rules to make a couple of €€€
And Dublin footballers play almost all of their home games at CP because.............?
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 08:38:07 AM
The fascination with all things Dublin continues. Another thread on Dublin, perhaps it would be better to start up a Dublin thread in January every year, and just post your bias and hatred there.
2 separate sports, different teams and generally different supporters, the qualifiers are meant to be neutral venue as highlighted in the bi-laws, for example Tipp played Offaly in Portlaiose in 2014. If the Dublin footballers went through the qualifier route more often then you might see more neutral venue otherwise the games get fixed home and away.
The GAA make the fixtures, not Dublin.
Croke Park in meant to be neutral.
Grow up.
You're right, it is meant to be neutral.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc
Quote from: dublin7 on July 04, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2017, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 04, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Beantown on July 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
Croke Park will only become neutral when Dublin build a new stadium, as has been rumoured for a while now. This hurling match could be played in Phoenix Park for all anyone cares. Tipp will win either way. I understand that if the rules say it should be a neutral venue, then so be it but surely common sense, (yeah I know, common sense on the GAA is up there along with magic beans and earth being flat!!) should dictate a double header and a big crowd in Thurles. Maybe the Dubin players are happy gong down to Thurles for a double header, why not test yourself against the best in their back yard. All of Leinster does it for the football most days.
7
I agree mate, no problem with the Venue myself.
My problem is with clowns who start up stupid threads.
Ger Cunningham (the Dublin hurling manager for you all you Nordies) is from Cork , he's not a Dub, and he's not happy about it.
The highly paid Ger Cunningham is hardly going to disagree with his employers.
It's common knowledge Dublin don't "pay" their managers. Before Anthony Daly got the job they approached Nicky English as he works in Dublin but they couldn't afford his "expenses". To be fair he did recommend Anthony Daly so that worked out in the end.
The majority of Dublin hurling fans don't follow the footballers and the Dublin hurlers play the majority of their home games in Parnell Park. If Kilkenny drew Tipp it wouldn't have been played in Thurles.
Tipp played KK in a qualifier in 2013 in Nowlan and there wasn't an issue and KK wouldn't have an issue with playing Tipp in Thurles,then again that's an elite counties mentality
I thought all hurlers love to play in Thurles ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2017, 12:45:24 PM
I thought all hurlers love to play in Thurles ;D
They do. But it's hard to blame the Dublin Co. Board for standing up for themselves. It might be the difference between winning and losing this game.
Powers have a 9 point spread on this game,if you think home advantage is worth 9 points to Tipp,I run down your local branch there now AZ
Quote from: clonadmad on July 04, 2017, 01:13:20 PM
Powers have a 9 point spread on this game,if you think home advantage is worth 9 points to Tipp,I run down your local branch there now AZ
Based on what I saw last Saturday, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dublin put it right up to them.
Of course if Tipp suddenly find their groove, then it's irrelevant.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 04, 2017, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 04, 2017, 01:13:20 PM
Powers have a 9 point spread on this game,if you think home advantage is worth 9 points to Tipp,I run down your local branch there now AZ
Based on what I saw last Saturday, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dublin put it right up to them.
Of course if Tipp suddenly find their groove, then it's irrelevant.
Any other result for that game you want to predict :P
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 04, 2017, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2017, 12:45:24 PM
I thought all hurlers love to play in Thurles ;D
They do. But it's hard to blame the Dublin Co. Board for standing up for themselves. It might be the difference between winning and losing this game.
Fair enough byt4 Dublin Co Board are of course total hypocrites here.
Splinters in my arse :) It's hard though. Tipp are obviously a better team than they've shown. Dublin are middle of the road. They are better than Westmeath. If Tipp are the Tipp we watched last weekend, then Dublin are the winners. If Tipp find a bit of form, they'll put Dublin to the sword.
Prediction? Tipperary to blow out the dirty diesel, and win by 11 points.
Tipp will hammer the Dubs unless this man makes a difference
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD5BuvUXgAEuI0L.jpg)
Crass hypocrites, they probably take lessons from the DUP.
Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 01:37:06 PM
Tipp will hammer the Dubs unless this man makes a difference
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD5BuvUXgAEuI0L.jpg)
Who is he? Varadker's partner?
I've nothing personal against the Dubs; Jim Gavin seem a very good manager to e and he and the County Board are merely trying to maximize their advantages over every other team in the land. Wouldn't any other county do the same if they were given the chance?
The population of Dublin is increasing rapidly, whereas rural depopulation is a fact of life in many other counties. Tough tity as far as everyone else is concerned unless and until some hard decisions are taken..
What pisse me off bigtime is the cute hoorism of a large number of Dublin supporters; Kerry could sit back and takes lessons from them.
I mean you'll hear that Dublin' superiority in every imaginable way can be put down to the hard work of their volunteer coaches.
Who's codding who?
Every county has its volunteers and I am certain that a far higher percentage of the local community muck in to support their local club than you'll find in Dublin.
Another porky:It's just that Dublin have an exceptional bunch of talented players and when they are gone, they're gone, never to return, or something like that. What about Fenton, Small, McCarthy etc. etc.
Where are they coming from?
Look, the list is a long one but facts are facts no matter what spin is put on them.
According to Simon Coveney 40% of the population and 50% of the resources are located in the greater Dublin area and those figures are increasing rapidly.
By 2030, Dublin will have 50% of the population according to Coveney and no amount of BS can explain away the fact that it is a case of Goliath against David every time they play an intercounty game.
The Dubs are fine when you're not talking football. Then they turn into Branch Dividians and hold the party line better than a Sinner or DUP lad. It's pathetic, to be honest.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 04, 2017, 01:39:20 PM
Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 01:37:06 PM
Tipp will hammer the Dubs unless this man makes a difference
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD5BuvUXgAEuI0L.jpg)
Who is he? Varadker's partner?
Toe facing out,young Trudeau
Ah!.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
I've nothing personal against the Dubs; Jim Gavin seem a very good manager to e and he and the County Board are merely trying to maximize their advantages over every other team in the land. Wouldn't any other county do the same if they were given the chance?
The population of Dublin is increasing rapidly, whereas rural depopulation is a fact of life in many other counties. Tough tity as far as everyone else is concerned unless and until some hard decisions are taken..
What pisse me off bigtime is the cute hoorism of a large number of Dublin supporters; Kerry could sit back and takes lessons from them.
I mean you'll hear that Dublin' superiority in every imaginable way can be put down to the hard work of their volunteer coaches.
Who's codding who?
Every county has its volunteers and I am certain that a far higher percentage of the local community muck in to support their local club than you'll find in Dublin.
Another porky:It's just that Dublin have an exceptional bunch of talented players and when they are gone, they're gone, never to return, or something like that. What about Fenton, Small, McCarthy etc. etc.
Where are they coming from?
Look, the list is a long one but facts are facts no matter what spin is put on them.
According to Simon Coveney 40% of the population and 50% of the resources are located in the greater Dublin area and those figures are increasing rapidly.
By 2030, Dublin will have 50% of the population according to Coveney and no amount of BS can explain away the fact that it is a case of Goliath against David every time they play an intercounty game.
Leave aside coaches / money, what is your solution to the population issue.
Split Dublin into what 4? Are you in favour of amalgamation of lesser populated counties so and kiss goodbye to the county structure altogether? Speaking broadly of course, but if you're using population as your guide, you can't have one without the other.
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2017, 02:05:31 PM
The Dubs are fine when you're not talking football. Then they turn into Branch Dividians and hold the party line better than a Sinner or DUP lad. It's pathetic, to be honest.
Was on a train t'other day and mentioned something about hot weather to a pair of Dubs....just chatting. It wasn't long before one of the trogoldytes in his native-orc proclaimed "duublinnnn" to be the "best gah team in da cuntry".
This was after discussing the ins & outs of the Offaly-Tipp game in Thurles that day (it was Cork/Waterford) and trying to figure out who won the hurling All Ireland the previous year.
Pair of meatheads, the two of them. Of course they knew it all when it came to football.
Dublin - the "product" - has been created by Croke Park. All the talk about the volunteers and the "plan". At this stage, given the glorious realisation of said plan, that it was probably created in the boardrooms of CP and handed on a silver platter to the Dublin CB. The wealthiest, most populous county in the country and they need €1.5m per year for (now) 13 years?
It's Animal Farm.
Whatever goes upon two legs is a enemy v Once the pigs start walking on two legs, two legs become better then four.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend v The pigs end up thinking any animal who walks on four legs or has wings in inferior.
No animal shall wear clothes v The pigs all end up wearing clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed v "No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets"
(think: CP opened for soccer & rugby yet Dromard GAA club fined 2k for allowing soccer on their grounds.
No animal shall drink alcohol v "No animal shall drink alcohol to excess"
No animal shall kill any other animal v "No animal shall kill any other animal without cause"
All animals are equal v "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
Was the GAA created so that the most populous county would be receive such an unfair financial allocation, as to warrant them nearly unbeatable?
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You can only but laugh.
Ask any Waterford hurling fan where they would prefer to play Tipp after last year Munster Final in Limerick. The answer would probably be thurles. If the Dubs kick up enough of a Fuss then maybe a draw for a home game would suffice.
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on July 04, 2017, 09:26:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2017, 02:05:31 PM
The Dubs are fine when you're not talking football. Then they turn into Branch Dividians and hold the party line better than a Sinner or DUP lad. It's pathetic, to be honest.
Was on a train t'other day and mentioned something about hot weather to a pair of Dubs....just chatting. It wasn't long before one of the trogoldytes in his native-orc proclaimed "duublinnnn" to be the "best gah team in da cuntry".
This was after discussing the ins & outs of the Offaly-Tipp game in Thurles that day (it was Cork/Waterford) and trying to figure out who won the hurling All Ireland the previous year.
Pair of meatheads, the two of them. Of course they knew it all when it came to football.
Dublin - the "product" - has been created by Croke Park. All the talk about the volunteers and the "plan". At this stage, given the glorious realisation of said plan, that it was probably created in the boardrooms of CP and handed on a silver platter to the Dublin CB. The wealthiest, most populous county in the country and they need €1.5m per year for (now) 13 years?
It's Animal Farm.
Whatever goes upon two legs is a enemy v Once the pigs start walking on two legs, two legs become better then four.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend v The pigs end up thinking any animal who walks on four legs or has wings in inferior.
No animal shall wear clothes v The pigs all end up wearing clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed v "No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets"
(think: CP opened for soccer & rugby yet Dromard GAA club fined 2k for allowing soccer on their grounds.
No animal shall drink alcohol v "No animal shall drink alcohol to excess"
No animal shall kill any other animal v "No animal shall kill any other animal without cause"
All animals are equal v "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
Was the GAA created so that the most populous county would be receive such an unfair financial allocation, as to warrant them nearly unbeatable?
Watching Gaelic football must be a living hell for you since the return of the Dubs in 2011. Just relax, sit back and enjoy the spectacle.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 04, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
I've nothing personal against the Dubs; Jim Gavin seem a very good manager to e and he and the County Board are merely trying to maximize their advantages over every other team in the land. Wouldn't any other county do the same if they were given the chance?
The population of Dublin is increasing rapidly, whereas rural depopulation is a fact of life in many other counties. Tough tity as far as everyone else is concerned unless and until some hard decisions are taken..
What pisse me off bigtime is the cute hoorism of a large number of Dublin supporters; Kerry could sit back and takes lessons from them.
I mean you'll hear that Dublin' superiority in every imaginable way can be put down to the hard work of their volunteer coaches.
Who's codding who?
Every county has its volunteers and I am certain that a far higher percentage of the local community muck in to support their local club than you'll find in Dublin.
Another porky:It's just that Dublin have an exceptional bunch of talented players and when they are gone, they're gone, never to return, or something like that. What about Fenton, Small, McCarthy etc. etc.
Where are they coming from?
Look, the list is a long one but facts are facts no matter what spin is put on them.
According to Simon Coveney 40% of the population and 50% of the resources are located in the greater Dublin area and those figures are increasing rapidly.
By 2030, Dublin will have 50% of the population according to Coveney and no amount of BS can explain away the fact that it is a case of Goliath against David every time they play an intercounty game.
Leave aside coaches / money, what is your solution to the population issue.
Split Dublin into what 4? Are you in favour of amalgamation of lesser populated counties so and kiss goodbye to the county structure altogether? Speaking broadly of course, but if you're using population as your guide, you can't have one without the other.
You are bang on. The Dubs can't be blamed for everything that's wrong with the present system. Dublin is a victim of circumstances, same as every other county. The intercounty model that came into existence in 1884 is no longer fit for the purpose intended, Dublin won't be the only county that will resist change, whenever it comes, but there just has to be a radical overhaul of the present model, sooner rather than later..
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 01:26:57 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 04, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
I've nothing personal against the Dubs; Jim Gavin seem a very good manager to e and he and the County Board are merely trying to maximize their advantages over every other team in the land. Wouldn't any other county do the same if they were given the chance?
The population of Dublin is increasing rapidly, whereas rural depopulation is a fact of life in many other counties. Tough tity as far as everyone else is concerned unless and until some hard decisions are taken..
What pisse me off bigtime is the cute hoorism of a large number of Dublin supporters; Kerry could sit back and takes lessons from them.
I mean you'll hear that Dublin' superiority in every imaginable way can be put down to the hard work of their volunteer coaches.
Who's codding who?
Every county has its volunteers and I am certain that a far higher percentage of the local community muck in to support their local club than you'll find in Dublin.
Another porky:It's just that Dublin have an exceptional bunch of talented players and when they are gone, they're gone, never to return, or something like that. What about Fenton, Small, McCarthy etc. etc.
Where are they coming from?
Look, the list is a long one but facts are facts no matter what spin is put on them.
According to Simon Coveney 40% of the population and 50% of the resources are located in the greater Dublin area and those figures are increasing rapidly.
By 2030, Dublin will have 50% of the population according to Coveney and no amount of BS can explain away the fact that it is a case of Goliath against David every time they play an intercounty game.
Leave aside coaches / money, what is your solution to the population issue.
Split Dublin into what 4? Are you in favour of amalgamation of lesser populated counties so and kiss goodbye to the county structure altogether? Speaking broadly of course, but if you're using population as your guide, you can't have one without the other.
You are bang on. The Dubs can't be blamed for everything that's wrong with the present system. Dublin is a victim of circumstances, same as every other county. The intercounty model that came into existence in 1884 is no longer fit for the purpose intended, Dublin won't be the only county that will resist change, whenever it comes, but there just has to be a radical overhaul of the present model, sooner rather than later..
Dublin as a victim. I've heard it all now Lar. Fingal already operate as a county in the stick fighting, ffs it's an actual county in the eyes of the State.
some ignorant fools on this site, makes it all the special winning all Irelands, enjoy watching the greatest naturally gifted football team of all time destroy teams, its joyful and should be embraced.
Id say most of the clowns on here arnt in clubs, sit on bar stool drinking pints with their friends during Dublin matches praying for them to be defeated, sweaty hands, jumping of their seat when the opposition scores, sad really, really really sad.
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Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2017, 08:21:46 AM
some ignorant fools on this site, makes it all the special winning all Irelands, enjoy watching the greatest naturally gifted football team of all time destroy teams, its joyful and should be embraced.
Id say most of the clowns on here arnt in clubs, sit on bar stool drinking pints with their friends during Dublin matches praying for them to be defeated, sweaty hands, jumping of their seat when the opposition scores, sad really, really really sad.
And who is your club?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 05, 2017, 09:19:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2017, 08:21:46 AM
some ignorant fools on this site, makes it all the special winning all Irelands, enjoy watching the greatest naturally gifted football team of all time destroy teams, its joyful and should be embraced.
Id say most of the clowns on here arnt in clubs, sit on bar stool drinking pints with their friends during Dublin matches praying for them to be defeated, sweaty hands, jumping of their seat when the opposition scores, sad really, really really sad.
And who is your club?
Ignore him,otherwise he'll keep it up.
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 01:26:57 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 04, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
I've nothing personal against the Dubs; Jim Gavin seem a very good manager to e and he and the County Board are merely trying to maximize their advantages over every other team in the land. Wouldn't any other county do the same if they were given the chance?
The population of Dublin is increasing rapidly, whereas rural depopulation is a fact of life in many other counties. Tough tity as far as everyone else is concerned unless and until some hard decisions are taken..
What pisse me off bigtime is the cute hoorism of a large number of Dublin supporters; Kerry could sit back and takes lessons from them.
I mean you'll hear that Dublin' superiority in every imaginable way can be put down to the hard work of their volunteer coaches.
Who's codding who?
Every county has its volunteers and I am certain that a far higher percentage of the local community muck in to support their local club than you'll find in Dublin.
Another porky:It's just that Dublin have an exceptional bunch of talented players and when they are gone, they're gone, never to return, or something like that. What about Fenton, Small, McCarthy etc. etc.
Where are they coming from?
Look, the list is a long one but facts are facts no matter what spin is put on them.
According to Simon Coveney 40% of the population and 50% of the resources are located in the greater Dublin area and those figures are increasing rapidly.
By 2030, Dublin will have 50% of the population according to Coveney and no amount of BS can explain away the fact that it is a case of Goliath against David every time they play an intercounty game.
Leave aside coaches / money, what is your solution to the population issue.
Split Dublin into what 4? Are you in favour of amalgamation of lesser populated counties so and kiss goodbye to the county structure altogether? Speaking broadly of course, but if you're using population as your guide, you can't have one without the other.
You are bang on. The Dubs can't be blamed for everything that's wrong with the present system. Dublin is a victim of circumstances, same as every other county. The intercounty model that came into existence in 1884 is no longer fit for the purpose intended, Dublin won't be the only county that will resist change, whenever it comes, but there just has to be a radical overhaul of the present model, sooner rather than later..
Dublin as a victim. I've heard it all now Lar. Fingal already operate as a county in the stick fighting, ffs it's an actual county in the eyes of the State.
I'd stop a long way short of feeling sympathy for the Dubs but that doesn't mean that they don't have problems, lots of problems coming down the line. No matter how rosy the future for Dublin appears to be, the stats are a cause for serious concern.
On the intercounty scene, Dublin has every possible advantage over the 31 others and to suggest otherwise is flying in the face of reality. But that's the sexy side of Gaelic football but there is another and it's, arguably, more important.
Next Sunday, I'd say well over 90% of Roscommon people will be behind their team and very much aware of what's going on. Galway figures will be more or less the same. Maybe no All Ireland by either to be won but the GAA is alive and well at community level in both counties.
No more than 10% of the population in Dublin give a damn about Gaelic games and that percentage is falling. I'm talking here about the volunteers who mark pitches, look after juvenile teams, support fundraisers and the likes.
"Underrepresentation" was a buzz term as far back as the early nineties when a report, commissioned by Central Council, was published. It was set up to look into issues peculiar to Dublin and report back with solutions to those problems. It also had the remit to carry out a compare and contrast study with other counties. The report was shelved, which was a great pity, because of resistance from vested interests.
Today, the overall problems are even worse. Having just one team to represent over 40% of the Republic's population cannot be good for the long term interests of the Association.
The fuss about unfair funding for coaching is misplaced, IMO. Giving Dublin a vastly disproportionate share of the kitty will serve to increase the already wide gap between Dublin and the rest but it isn't designed to entice a single individual into the Association at any level.
Elitist footballers is all very well but you need elitist competition to match them or the whole exercise is pointless even detrimental to the overall progress of the GAA throughout the land.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 05, 2017, 08:21:46 AM
some ignorant fools on this site, makes it all the special winning all Irelands, enjoy watching the greatest naturally gifted football team of all time destroy teams, its joyful and should be embraced.
Id say most of the clowns on here arnt in clubs, sit on bar stool drinking pints with their friends during Dublin matches praying for them to be defeated, sweaty hands, jumping of their seat when the opposition scores, sad really, really really sad.
But but but but are you not a neutral?? Ffs, the standard of wumming on here is gone to shite if you can't even keep the story straight for 8 posts.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 01, 2017, 12:27:47 AM
As a neutral, its look to me that its a testament to Connollys playing ability and greatness that is no so much talk on this forum,
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 11:37:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 01:26:57 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 04, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
I've nothing personal against the Dubs; Jim Gavin seem a very good manager to e and he and the County Board are merely trying to maximize their advantages over every other team in the land. Wouldn't any other county do the same if they were given the chance?
The population of Dublin is increasing rapidly, whereas rural depopulation is a fact of life in many other counties. Tough tity as far as everyone else is concerned unless and until some hard decisions are taken..
What pisse me off bigtime is the cute hoorism of a large number of Dublin supporters; Kerry could sit back and takes lessons from them.
I mean you'll hear that Dublin' superiority in every imaginable way can be put down to the hard work of their volunteer coaches.
Who's codding who?
Every county has its volunteers and I am certain that a far higher percentage of the local community muck in to support their local club than you'll find in Dublin.
Another porky:It's just that Dublin have an exceptional bunch of talented players and when they are gone, they're gone, never to return, or something like that. What about Fenton, Small, McCarthy etc. etc.
Where are they coming from?
Look, the list is a long one but facts are facts no matter what spin is put on them.
According to Simon Coveney 40% of the population and 50% of the resources are located in the greater Dublin area and those figures are increasing rapidly.
By 2030, Dublin will have 50% of the population according to Coveney and no amount of BS can explain away the fact that it is a case of Goliath against David every time they play an intercounty game.
Leave aside coaches / money, what is your solution to the population issue.
Split Dublin into what 4? Are you in favour of amalgamation of lesser populated counties so and kiss goodbye to the county structure altogether? Speaking broadly of course, but if you're using population as your guide, you can't have one without the other.
You are bang on. The Dubs can't be blamed for everything that's wrong with the present system. Dublin is a victim of circumstances, same as every other county. The intercounty model that came into existence in 1884 is no longer fit for the purpose intended, Dublin won't be the only county that will resist change, whenever it comes, but there just has to be a radical overhaul of the present model, sooner rather than later..
Dublin as a victim. I've heard it all now Lar. Fingal already operate as a county in the stick fighting, ffs it's an actual county in the eyes of the State.
I'd stop a long way short of feeling sympathy for the Dubs but that doesn't mean that they don't have problems, lots of problems coming down the line. No matter how rosy the future for Dublin appears to be, the stats are a cause for serious concern.
On the intercounty scene, Dublin has every possible advantage over the 31 others and to suggest otherwise is flying in the face of reality. But that's the sexy side of Gaelic football but there is another and it's, arguably, more important.
Next Sunday, I'd say well over 90% of Roscommon people will be behind their team and very much aware of what's going on. Galway figures will be more or less the same. Maybe no All Ireland by either to be won but the GAA is alive and well at community level in both counties.
No more than 10% of the population in Dublin give a damn about Gaelic games and that percentage is falling. I'm talking here about the volunteers who mark pitches, look after juvenile teams, support fundraisers and the likes.
"Underrepresentation" was a buzz term as far back as the early nineties when a report, commissioned by Central Council, was published. It was set up to look into issues peculiar to Dublin and report back with solutions to those problems. It also had the remit to carry out a compare and contrast study with other counties. The report was shelved, which was a great pity, because of resistance from vested interests.
Today, the overall problems are even worse. Having just one team to represent over 40% of the Republic's population cannot be good for the long term interests of the Association.
The fuss about unfair funding for coaching is misplaced, IMO. Giving Dublin a vastly disproportionate share of the kitty will serve to increase the already wide gap between Dublin and the rest but it isn't designed to entice a single individual into the Association at any level.
Elitist footballers is all very well but you need elitist competition to match them or the whole exercise is pointless even detrimental to the overall progress of the GAA throughout the land.
I'm not a football fan and don't even watch it so I have zero axe to grind with any football county. That said, the GAA is in the process of slowly killing one of this country's national games. It isn't at fault for the population difference between Dublin and the rest of the country but common sense would say that, to try to provide as competitive a championship as possible, this imbalance should be at least partially offset by an improvement in funding in other areas of the country. With all the funding going into Dublin and the massive difference in population, a behemoth is being created that will perpetually dominate. Not even Dublin fans will find it exciting to see Dublin win loads of All Irelands in a row but it is difficult to see who will stop them. They know they are in the quarter finals every year with minimal effort in Leinster. Even in the quarters they are unlikely to meet anyone who can put it up to them because these are sides who already lost in their provinces. Realistically who, of the qualifiers, is going to make them sweat this year? Maybe, maybe, Mayo but they look like they've gone off the boil. So Dublin pretty much know they can plan for August and September every year. The most recent example of an ultra-dominant team in the GAA is Kilkenny but Kilkenny's population is infinitely smaller than Dublin's and so, naturally, Kilkenny were always going to hit a patch where the players just weren't there, which is where we find ourselves now. How realistic is it though that you won't find 15 players who are good enough in a population of well over a million? Add to that the coaching and training facilities there are in Dublin and it isn't a stretch to see Dublin absolutely dominating for years to come and the gap becoming bigger not smaller. At intercounty level that will kill football because people, including Dubs, will lose interest. Kilkenny's run was always going to come to an end, I can't see the same thing happening with Dublin because all the advantages are with them.
QuoteThis is turning into my favourite thread.
Dinny, the common aspect of favourite threads (in terms of comedy value) seems to be the prevalence of our old friend 'whataboutery' (and it's here in bucketloads).
If Mayo had scoring forwards the Dubs would only have won 2 allirelands recently. This has nothing to do with funding or population. It is to do with kicking the ball between the posts. Dublin and Kerry traditionally collect all Irelands from psychologically weaker opponents.
This has been going on for years.
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 05, 2017, 12:40:41 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 11:37:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 01:26:57 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 04, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
I've nothing personal against the Dubs; Jim Gavin seem a very good manager to e and he and the County Board are merely trying to maximize their advantages over every other team in the land. Wouldn't any other county do the same if they were given the chance?
The population of Dublin is increasing rapidly, whereas rural depopulation is a fact of life in many other counties. Tough tity as far as everyone else is concerned unless and until some hard decisions are taken..
What pisse me off bigtime is the cute hoorism of a large number of Dublin supporters; Kerry could sit back and takes lessons from them.
I mean you'll hear that Dublin' superiority in every imaginable way can be put down to the hard work of their volunteer coaches.
Who's codding who?
Every county has its volunteers and I am certain that a far higher percentage of the local community muck in to support their local club than you'll find in Dublin.
Another porky:It's just that Dublin have an exceptional bunch of talented players and when they are gone, they're gone, never to return, or something like that. What about Fenton, Small, McCarthy etc. etc.
Where are they coming from?
Look, the list is a long one but facts are facts no matter what spin is put on them.
According to Simon Coveney 40% of the population and 50% of the resources are located in the greater Dublin area and those figures are increasing rapidly.
By 2030, Dublin will have 50% of the population according to Coveney and no amount of BS can explain away the fact that it is a case of Goliath against David every time they play an intercounty game.
Leave aside coaches / money, what is your solution to the population issue.
Split Dublin into what 4? Are you in favour of amalgamation of lesser populated counties so and kiss goodbye to the county structure altogether? Speaking broadly of course, but if you're using population as your guide, you can't have one without the other.
You are bang on. The Dubs can't be blamed for everything that's wrong with the present system. Dublin is a victim of circumstances, same as every other county. The intercounty model that came into existence in 1884 is no longer fit for the purpose intended, Dublin won't be the only county that will resist change, whenever it comes, but there just has to be a radical overhaul of the present model, sooner rather than later..
Dublin as a victim. I've heard it all now Lar. Fingal already operate as a county in the stick fighting, ffs it's an actual county in the eyes of the State.
I'd stop a long way short of feeling sympathy for the Dubs but that doesn't mean that they don't have problems, lots of problems coming down the line. No matter how rosy the future for Dublin appears to be, the stats are a cause for serious concern.
On the intercounty scene, Dublin has every possible advantage over the 31 others and to suggest otherwise is flying in the face of reality. But that's the sexy side of Gaelic football but there is another and it's, arguably, more important.
Next Sunday, I'd say well over 90% of Roscommon people will be behind their team and very much aware of what's going on. Galway figures will be more or less the same. Maybe no All Ireland by either to be won but the GAA is alive and well at community level in both counties.
No more than 10% of the population in Dublin give a damn about Gaelic games and that percentage is falling. I'm talking here about the volunteers who mark pitches, look after juvenile teams, support fundraisers and the likes.
"Underrepresentation" was a buzz term as far back as the early nineties when a report, commissioned by Central Council, was published. It was set up to look into issues peculiar to Dublin and report back with solutions to those problems. It also had the remit to carry out a compare and contrast study with other counties. The report was shelved, which was a great pity, because of resistance from vested interests.
Today, the overall problems are even worse. Having just one team to represent over 40% of the Republic's population cannot be good for the long term interests of the Association.
The fuss about unfair funding for coaching is misplaced, IMO. Giving Dublin a vastly disproportionate share of the kitty will serve to increase the already wide gap between Dublin and the rest but it isn't designed to entice a single individual into the Association at any level.
Elitist footballers is all very well but you need elitist competition to match them or the whole exercise is pointless even detrimental to the overall progress of the GAA throughout the land.
I'm not a football fan and don't even watch it so I have zero axe to grind with any football county. That said, the GAA is in the process of slowly killing one of this country's national games. It isn't at fault for the population difference between Dublin and the rest of the country but common sense would say that, to try to provide as competitive a championship as possible, this imbalance should be at least partially offset by an improvement in funding in other areas of the country. With all the funding going into Dublin and the massive difference in population, a behemoth is being created that will perpetually dominate. Not even Dublin fans will find it exciting to see Dublin win loads of All Irelands in a row but it is difficult to see who will stop them. They know they are in the quarter finals every year with minimal effort in Leinster. Even in the quarters they are unlikely to meet anyone who can put it up to them because these are sides who already lost in their provinces. Realistically who, of the qualifiers, is going to make them sweat this year? Maybe, maybe, Mayo but they look like they've gone off the boil. So Dublin pretty much know they can plan for August and September every year. The most recent example of an ultra-dominant team in the GAA is Kilkenny but Kilkenny's population is infinitely smaller than Dublin's and so, naturally, Kilkenny were always going to hit a patch where the players just weren't there, which is where we find ourselves now. How realistic is it though that you won't find 15 players who are good enough in a population of well over a million? Add to that the coaching and training facilities there are in Dublin and it isn't a stretch to see Dublin absolutely dominating for years to come and the gap becoming bigger not smaller. At intercounty level that will kill football because people, including Dubs, will lose interest. Kilkenny's run was always going to come to an end, I can't see the same thing happening with Dublin because all the advantages are with them.
But sure Lar pointed out above that the 'GAA population' of Dublin is closer to 10% of the county. Might even be a stretch.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 11:37:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 01:26:57 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 04, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
I've nothing personal against the Dubs; Jim Gavin seem a very good manager to e and he and the County Board are merely trying to maximize their advantages over every other team in the land. Wouldn't any other county do the same if they were given the chance?
The population of Dublin is increasing rapidly, whereas rural depopulation is a fact of life in many other counties. Tough tity as far as everyone else is concerned unless and until some hard decisions are taken..
What pisse me off bigtime is the cute hoorism of a large number of Dublin supporters; Kerry could sit back and takes lessons from them.
I mean you'll hear that Dublin' superiority in every imaginable way can be put down to the hard work of their volunteer coaches.
Who's codding who?
Every county has its volunteers and I am certain that a far higher percentage of the local community muck in to support their local club than you'll find in Dublin.
Another porky:It's just that Dublin have an exceptional bunch of talented players and when they are gone, they're gone, never to return, or something like that. What about Fenton, Small, McCarthy etc. etc.
Where are they coming from?
Look, the list is a long one but facts are facts no matter what spin is put on them.
According to Simon Coveney 40% of the population and 50% of the resources are located in the greater Dublin area and those figures are increasing rapidly.
By 2030, Dublin will have 50% of the population according to Coveney and no amount of BS can explain away the fact that it is a case of Goliath against David every time they play an intercounty game.
Leave aside coaches / money, what is your solution to the population issue.
Split Dublin into what 4? Are you in favour of amalgamation of lesser populated counties so and kiss goodbye to the county structure altogether? Speaking broadly of course, but if you're using population as your guide, you can't have one without the other.
You are bang on. The Dubs can't be blamed for everything that's wrong with the present system. Dublin is a victim of circumstances, same as every other county. The intercounty model that came into existence in 1884 is no longer fit for the purpose intended, Dublin won't be the only county that will resist change, whenever it comes, but there just has to be a radical overhaul of the present model, sooner rather than later..
Dublin as a victim. I've heard it all now Lar. Fingal already operate as a county in the stick fighting, ffs it's an actual county in the eyes of the State.
I'd stop a long way short of feeling sympathy for the Dubs but that doesn't mean that they don't have problems, lots of problems coming down the line. No matter how rosy the future for Dublin appears to be, the stats are a cause for serious concern.
On the intercounty scene, Dublin has every possible advantage over the 31 others and to suggest otherwise is flying in the face of reality. But that's the sexy side of Gaelic football but there is another and it's, arguably, more important.
Next Sunday, I'd say well over 90% of Roscommon people will be behind their team and very much aware of what's going on. Galway figures will be more or less the same. Maybe no All Ireland by either to be won but the GAA is alive and well at community level in both counties.
No more than 10% of the population in Dublin give a damn about Gaelic games and that percentage is falling. I'm talking here about the volunteers who mark pitches, look after juvenile teams, support fundraisers and the likes.
"Underrepresentation" was a buzz term as far back as the early nineties when a report, commissioned by Central Council, was published. It was set up to look into issues peculiar to Dublin and report back with solutions to those problems. It also had the remit to carry out a compare and contrast study with other counties. The report was shelved, which was a great pity, because of resistance from vested interests.
Today, the overall problems are even worse. Having just one team to represent over 40% of the Republic's population cannot be good for the long term interests of the Association.
The fuss about unfair funding for coaching is misplaced, IMO. Giving Dublin a vastly disproportionate share of the kitty will serve to increase the already wide gap between Dublin and the rest but it isn't designed to entice a single individual into the Association at any level.
Elitist footballers is all very well but you need elitist competition to match them or the whole exercise is pointless even detrimental to the overall progress of the GAA throughout the land.
You're just pulling numbers out of your arse, Lar. Way more than 10% of the county don't give a feck about GAA. Do you think the Brazilian community in Roscommon town or the Pakistani and Syrians in Ballagh give two hoots about football? Certainly doesn't help that the GAA seems to have never made any significant effort to engage those communities on a national or even local level. And that's before you get to the vast swathes of 'natives' who will turn on the TV if the county team is playing but that is the height of their engagement. Galway would be far, far less engaged than even Roscommon at the best of times. The U17 Connacht final between the two this Saturday will likely have a pitiful showing from Galway supporters, for example.
Dublin is such a competition and fairness destroying entity because it is so big and because the GAA sees potential in engaging the masses in Dublin - they're way more willing to pump money into Dublin clubs than clubs in Roscommon that work twice as hard with half the resources because supporting them won't grow the GAA's bottom line. And even the Dublin support that turns on the TV to watch the county team is enough to get sponsors salivating st the chance of associating with them..
@Syf,
My good friend it seems that you have a congenital disposition to view the glass as being half empty all the time.
Lighten up and go smell the bees and listen to the flowers and all that. (Did I get something wrong there?)
Apart from the 10% which is at the upper range IMO, you haven't found anything else wrong with what I said.
@Butt
Ten percent of Dublin's population is way more that 100% of other counties.
I honestly believe that even at 10%, the figure is inflated. I mean you have the phenomenon of the fair weather fans, the beer bellies who'll wear the jersey and take over The Hill for championship game. They make plenty of noise and add a bit of colour to the proceedings but it's back to the Premiership the next day. Sure, they buy match tickets but that's about the limit.
@ Kilkevan
+101
That's a superb post. I certainly couldn't do any better.
Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2017, 01:06:23 PM
If Mayo had scoring forwards the Dubs would only have won 2 allirelands recently. This has nothing to do with funding or population. It is to do with kicking the ball between the posts. Dublin and Kerry traditionally collect all Irelands from psychologically weaker opponents.
This has been going on for years.
Mayo's forwards were well good enough to beat Dublin in the All Ireland final last year. First game they were the better team in almost every area of the pitch
The utterly bizarre occurrence of two own goals decided the game otherwise.
I wonder why Kildare aren't as good as Mayo. Or Donegal or Tyrone. Dinny has the Dubs figured out, but still runs away from that one every time!
There was a time, not too long ago, when Dublin played in Croke Park no more (and often less) than Meath or Kildare, so it could have been considered neutral then. However, the two pronged change of the Leinster Council fixing all Dublin games in Croker (until last year) and Dublin moving their league games to Croke Park, has clearly made it the home of the Dublin footballers.
The hurlers home is still Parnell Park. There are a number of teams who play more often in Croke Park every year than the Dubs hurlers. I don't think there's any doubt the hurlers are being hard done by with the fixing of the game in Thurles. The fact that Dublin footballers regularly get similar advantages to what the Tipp hurlers are getting is little consolation to the hurlers. Although, perhaps similar to other footballers playing in Croke Park, the Dubs hurlers enjoy playing in Thurles even if their record there may indicate otherwise.
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2017, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2017, 01:06:23 PM
If Mayo had scoring forwards the Dubs would only have won 2 allirelands recently. This has nothing to do with funding or population. It is to do with kicking the ball between the posts. Dublin and Kerry traditionally collect all Irelands from psychologically weaker opponents.
This has been going on for years.
Mayo's forwards were well good enough to beat Dublin in the All Ireland final last year. First game they were the better team in almost every area of the pitch
The utterly bizarre occurrence of two own goals decided the game otherwise.
I wonder why Kildare aren't as good as Mayo. Or Donegal or Tyrone. Dinny has the Dubs figured out, but still runs away from that one every time!
There was a time, not too long ago, when Dublin played in Croke Park no more (and often less) than Meath or Kildare, so it could have been considered neutral then. However, the two pronged change of the Leinster Council fixing all Dublin games in Croker (until last year) and Dublin moving their league games to Croke Park, has clearly made it the home of the Dublin footballers.
The hurlers home is still Parnell Park. There are a number of teams who play more often in Croke Park every year than the Dubs hurlers. I don't think there's any doubt the hurlers are being hard done by with the fixing of the game in Thurles. The fact that Dublin footballers regularly get similar advantages to what the Tipp hurlers are getting is little consolation to the hurlers. Although, perhaps similar to other footballers playing in Croke Park, the Dubs hurlers enjoy playing in Thurles even if their record there may indicate otherwise.
Runs away from what, the obvious that those 3 teams over the last 6 years have better footballers and the rub of the green against Kildare, 2011 quarter final against Donegal and O'Connors disallowed goal been the pick. Add in better managers Harte McGuinness and Horan especially compared to the numpty Jason Ryan.
However take either of those counties and swap them with Kildare and they would not have won Leinster over the last 7 years and in Donegal's case their AI. Dublin at home is a very difficult proposition for any team, look at their record since they moved there permanently.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
@Syf,
My good friend it seems that you have a congenital disposition to view the glass as being half empty all the time.
Lighten up and go smell the bees and listen to the flowers and all that. (Did I get something wrong there?)
Apart from the 10% which is at the upper range IMO, you haven't found anything else wrong with what I said.
@Butt
Ten percent of Dublin's population is way more that 100% of other counties.
I honestly believe that even at 10%, the figure is inflated. I mean you have the phenomenon of the fair weather fans, the beer bellies who'll wear the jersey and take over The Hill for championship game. They make plenty of noise and add a bit of colour to the proceedings but it's back to the Premiership the next day. Sure, they buy match tickets but that's about the limit.
@ Kilkevan
+101
That's a post. I certainly couldn't do any better.
Lar
It's a pity that you had to spoil an otherwise well-reasoned case with a cheap cliched (and insulting) portrayal of Dublin supporters. I don't think it's your usual style.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 05, 2017, 03:23:37 PM
Runs away from what, the obvious that those 3 teams over the last 6 years have better footballers and the rub of the green against Kildare, 2011 quarter final against Donegal and O'Connors disallowed goal been the pick. Add in better managers Harte McGuinness and Horan especially compared to the numpty Jason Ryan.
However take either of those counties and swap them with Kildare and they would not have won Leinster over the last 7 years and in Donegal's case their AI. Dublin at home is a very difficult proposition for any team, look at their record since they moved there permanently.
Kildare played really well in that 2011 quarter, but they've been pretty awful since (until this year), in the qualfiers as well as in Leinster, and blaming Dublin for it, like you do in 90% of your posts, is ridiculous.
According to you, when Dublin have better footballers and better manager it's all to do with money and Croke Park, but when Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone have better footballers and better manager, it's because they've better footballers and better manager!
If Kildare had been in Ulster in 2012-16, they would have won feck all games just like they did in Leinster. And that wouldn't have been Dublin's fault either. It's grand wheeling out the excuses as to why you're not as good as the Dubs, but there's no excuse for not being as good as Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone - other than Kildare related issues, that have zero to do with the Dubs.
But Kildare have certainly got their house in order at underage level over the last 4/5 years and games against Dublin have generally been very close. I's good to see that this is seeping into the senior team and getting into Division One is bound to help progress. Whatever happens this year, staying up in Div 1 in 2018 and making the Super 8s should go a long way to making Kildare a force to be reckoned with.
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2017, 09:22:46 PM
If Kildare had been in Ulster in 2012-16, they would have won feck all games just like they did in Leinster.
Qualifier results against Ulster teams in that period.
2012: Kildare 3-20 Cavan 1-09
2013: Tyrone 1-11 Kildare 0-12 *Joe McQuillan referee
2014: Kildare 1-18 Down 0-11
Monaghan 2-16 Kildare 2-14 AET
2 big wins and 2 narrow unlucky losses against 2 of the big 3 up there. I reckon we would have been competitive even with Jason Ryan in charge.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 05, 2017, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
@Syf,
My good friend it seems that you have a congenital disposition to view the glass as being half empty all the time.
Lighten up and go smell the bees and listen to the flowers and all that. (Did I get something wrong there?)
Apart from the 10% which is at the upper range IMO, you haven't found anything else wrong with what I said.
@Butt
Ten percent of Dublin's population is way more that 100% of other counties.
I honestly believe that even at 10%, the figure is inflated. I mean you have the phenomenon of the fair weather fans, the beer bellies who'll wear the jersey and take over The Hill for championship game. They make plenty of noise and add a bit of colour to the proceedings but it's back to the Premiership the next day. Sure, they buy match tickets but that's about the limit.
@ Kilkevan
+101
That's a post. I certainly couldn't do any better.
Lar
It's a pity that you had to spoil an otherwise well-reasoned case with a cheap cliched (and insulting) portrayal of Dublin supporters. I don't think it's your usual style.
I didn't intend what I said to be a gratuitous insult to Dubs' supporters- not by a long shot.
The 'real' Dub is about the soundest skin you can ever hope to meet and I'd put the figure at around 90% (and shut up Syferus!)
And that's not just me talking; it's a pretty widely held sentiment.
But you do have an 'in yer face' element that bring you no credit.
Maybe you don't see this the way I do but that's natural enough as we are coming from different perspectives. Most, if not all, counties have their undesirable elements but yours are more visible than most because a) you have the greatest following, especially for championship games on your home pitch and b) such games are invariably televised.
Has the recent superiority of the Dubs been marked by more than sporting excellence? I have come across a few examples of Mayo thuggery during their period of pomp in Connacht. Pour encourager les autres .
I was reading about the fall of the Aztec empire
""Throughout the siege, the Tlaxcalans waged a merciless
campaign against the Aztecs who had long oppressed them as for hundreds of years the Tlaxcalans had been forced to hand over an annual quota of young men and women to be sacrificed and eaten at the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan, and now the Tlaxcalans saw their chance for revenge."
Presumably feelings in Kildare will be not dissimilar when the Dub empire collapses.
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2017, 09:22:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 05, 2017, 03:23:37 PM
Runs away from what, the obvious that those 3 teams over the last 6 years have better footballers and the rub of the green against Kildare, 2011 quarter final against Donegal and O'Connors disallowed goal been the pick. Add in better managers Harte McGuinness and Horan especially compared to the numpty Jason Ryan.
However take either of those counties and swap them with Kildare and they would not have won Leinster over the last 7 years and in Donegal's case their AI. Dublin at home is a very difficult proposition for any team, look at their record since they moved there permanently.
Kildare played really well in that 2011 quarter, but they've been pretty awful since (until this year), in the qualfiers as well as in Leinster, and blaming Dublin for it, like you do in 90% of your posts, is ridiculous.
According to you, when Dublin have better footballers and better manager it's all to do with money and Croke Park, but when Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone have better footballers and better manager, it's because they've better footballers and better manager!
If Kildare had been in Ulster in 2012-16, they would have won feck all games just like they did in Leinster. And that wouldn't have been Dublin's fault either. It's grand wheeling out the excuses as to why you're not as good as the Dubs, but there's no excuse for not being as good as Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone - other than Kildare related issues, that have zero to do with the Dubs.
But Kildare have certainly got their house in order at underage level over the last 4/5 years and games against Dublin have generally been very close. I's good to see that this is seeping into the senior team and getting into Division One is bound to help progress. Whatever happens this year, staying up in Div 1 in 2018 and making the Super 8s should go a long way to making Kildare a force to be reckoned with.
Mate once you recognise your inorganic advantages then we can discuss Dublin and Leinster but it's fair to say without the money and without home advantage we just don't know know how good or bad Dublin would be.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 10:18:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 05, 2017, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
@Syf,
My good friend it seems that you have a congenital disposition to view the glass as being half empty all the time.
Lighten up and go smell the bees and listen to the flowers and all that. (Did I get something wrong there?)
Apart from the 10% which is at the upper range IMO, you haven't found anything else wrong with what I said.
@Butt
Ten percent of Dublin's population is way more that 100% of other counties.
I honestly believe that even at 10%, the figure is inflated. I mean you have the phenomenon of the fair weather fans, the beer bellies who'll wear the jersey and take over The Hill for championship game. They make plenty of noise and add a bit of colour to the proceedings but it's back to the Premiership the next day. Sure, they buy match tickets but that's about the limit.
@ Kilkevan
+101
That's a post. I certainly couldn't do any better.
Lar
It's a pity that you had to spoil an otherwise well-reasoned case with a cheap cliched (and insulting) portrayal of Dublin supporters. I don't think it's your usual style.
I didn't intend what I said to be a gratuitous insult to Dubs' supporters- not by a long shot.
The 'real' Dub is about the soundest skin you can ever hope to meet and I'd put the figure at around 90% (and shut up Syferus!)
And that's not just me talking; it's a pretty widely held sentiment.
But you do have an 'in yer face' element that bring you no credit.
Maybe you don't see this the way I do but that's natural enough as we are coming from different perspectives. Most, if not all, counties have their undesirable elements but yours are more visible than most because a) you have the greatest following, especially for championship games on your home pitch and b) such games are invariably televised.
Hate this glorifying of Dubs just to coat the medicine that is the facts of what they've done to the sport we love in a bit of sugar, as id that will really get them to see what everyone else can. Dubs are no worse nor no better than anyone else. If anything the soulless nature of large cities make communities and camaraderie harder to exist than in rural Ireland.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 04, 2017, 10:50:25 PMWatching Gaelic football must be a living hell for you since the return of the Dubs in 2011. Just relax, sit back and enjoy the spectacle.
Gaelic football, in general, is hard to watch nowadays. The Dublin playing style goes against the grain. The pretence that this is something created by the Dubs is a joke. It's a gaa marketing wet dream that was created & funded in CP. Why would CP worry about the 28,000 (or so) people in Leitrim, when they have 1,500,000 to love them in Dublin?
Dublin play the best brand of football ever seen, Barcelona-esque beautifulness , elegance.
No team will ever come close to this , its the pinnacle of football.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 13, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
Dublin play the best brand of football ever scene, Barcelona-esque beautifulness , elegance.
No team will ever come close to this , its the pinnacle of football.
But most Dubs don't realise there was football before 2011. The GAA was founded in 1884. I know you find that hard to believe.
Quote from: mup on July 13, 2017, 03:16:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 13, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
Dublin play the best brand of football ever scene, Barcelona-esque beautifulness , elegance.
No team will ever come close to this , its the pinnacle of football.
But most Dubs don't realise there was football before 2011. The GAA was founded in 1884. I know you find that hard to believe.
Don't think that's true now mate. Most fans remember the baron years. An example is 96 to 2010, when Dublin were walloped up and down Croke park in the latter stage of the championship. Another is 84 to 94, relative success without the big one were the lost 4 all Ireland finals in that 10 year period.
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2017, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 10:18:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 05, 2017, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
@Syf,
My good friend it seems that you have a congenital disposition to view the glass as being half empty all the time.
Lighten up and go smell the bees and listen to the flowers and all that. (Did I get something wrong there?)
Apart from the 10% which is at the upper range IMO, you haven't found anything else wrong with what I said.
@Butt
Ten percent of Dublin's population is way more that 100% of other counties.
I honestly believe that even at 10%, the figure is inflated. I mean you have the phenomenon of the fair weather fans, the beer bellies who'll wear the jersey and take over The Hill for championship game. They make plenty of noise and add a bit of colour to the proceedings but it's back to the Premiership the next day. Sure, they buy match tickets but that's about the limit.
@ Kilkevan
+101
That's a post. I certainly couldn't do any better.
Lar
It's a pity that you had to spoil an otherwise well-reasoned case with a cheap cliched (and insulting) portrayal of Dublin supporters. I don't think it's your usual style.
I didn't intend what I said to be a gratuitous insult to Dubs' supporters- not by a long shot.
The 'real' Dub is about the soundest skin you can ever hope to meet and I'd put the figure at around 90% (and shut up Syferus!)
And that's not just me talking; it's a pretty widely held sentiment.
But you do have an 'in yer face' element that bring you no credit.
Maybe you don't see this the way I do but that's natural enough as we are coming from different perspectives. Most, if not all, counties have their undesirable elements but yours are more visible than most because a) you have the greatest following, especially for championship games on your home pitch and b) such games are invariably televised.
Hate this glorifying of Dubs just to coat the medicine that is the facts of what they've done to the sport we love in a bit of sugar, as id that will really get them to see what everyone else can. Dubs are no worse nor no better than anyone else. If anything the soulless nature of large cities make communities and camaraderie harder to exist than in rural Ireland.
I can see your point Syf but I doubt that you see mine.
What we have is unsustainable; 40% of the people of the Republic reside in the Greater Dublin Area so to all intents and purposes they are represented by just one team.
(I know there is an overspill into South Meath and East Kildare but the flags flying in Dunshaughlin and Ashbourne are 90% Dub. Of course the present Dub team is the best of all time.
Who else could afford to spend the GDP of a banana republic on the preparation of a side? Money no object and it matters, no matter what others might say.
The present set up is neither good for Dublin or for the other 31 counties. The first one is pretty obvious, the second one is not quite so apparent but it is crucial that it be addressed sooner rather than later.
Of course the Dubs have a huge following, 10% of the general public would still be far greater than the 90% of sheep shaggers that had muzzy heads and sore throats but were still deliriously happy last Monday morning.
In common or garden terms, the GAA "penetration" in Roscommon and other rural counties is many times greater than it is in Dublin. Also, with only one senior team to represent the county, hundreds of players will never get the chance to play intercounty football and many will drift away and will be no longer an asset to the GAA. Paying out huge coaching grants to Dub GAA is putting the cart before the horse. It will further increase the gap I playing standards between Dublin and the rest but it will not, on its own, entice one single individual to play Gaelic football.
Its makes an already bad situation many times worse and its benefits (to the Dubs) are going to be short lived.
But you can't blame Dublin supporters for the problems we are discussing- no bloody way. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, y'know. A rapidly increasing population in Dublin and a dwindling one in most rural counties has nothing to do with Gaelic football.
The vast majority of Dubs on the board are as sound as they come. You can't expect them to go about carving up their beloved county to make things easier for everyone else.
It's up to your county board and mine and every other one as well to stop whining and get moving. Of course there should be a demand to split Dublin into two or more units but there also has to be the realisation that changes are needed elsewhere such as certain counties amalgamating.
The model used in 1884 is no longer fit for purpose and changes are needed but stop blaming Dub supporters when the onus is on all county boards to force change.
Good post Lar.(as usual).
2016 population of the Dublin regions in Round figures
Dublin City 554k, Final 297k, South Dublin 297k, DL-Rathdown 218k.
To compare
Ros 64k, Sligo 65k, Leitrim 32k.
Just wondering will the Sligo/Leitrim/Roscommon combination be called North Connacht or East Connacht?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 13, 2017, 04:18:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2017, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 10:18:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 05, 2017, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
@Syf,
My good friend it seems that you have a congenital disposition to view the glass as being half empty all the time.
Lighten up and go smell the bees and listen to the flowers and all that. (Did I get something wrong there?)
Apart from the 10% which is at the upper range IMO, you haven't found anything else wrong with what I said.
@Butt
Ten percent of Dublin's population is way more that 100% of other counties.
I honestly believe that even at 10%, the figure is inflated. I mean you have the phenomenon of the fair weather fans, the beer bellies who'll wear the jersey and take over The Hill for championship game. They make plenty of noise and add a bit of colour to the proceedings but it's back to the Premiership the next day. Sure, they buy match tickets but that's about the limit.
@ Kilkevan
+101
That's a post. I certainly couldn't do any better.
Lar
It's a pity that you had to spoil an otherwise well-reasoned case with a cheap cliched (and insulting) portrayal of Dublin supporters. I don't think it's your usual style.
I didn't intend what I said to be a gratuitous insult to Dubs' supporters- not by a long shot.
The 'real' Dub is about the soundest skin you can ever hope to meet and I'd put the figure at around 90% (and shut up Syferus!)
And that's not just me talking; it's a pretty widely held sentiment.
But you do have an 'in yer face' element that bring you no credit.
Maybe you don't see this the way I do but that's natural enough as we are coming from different perspectives. Most, if not all, counties have their undesirable elements but yours are more visible than most because a) you have the greatest following, especially for championship games on your home pitch and b) such games are invariably televised.
Hate this glorifying of Dubs just to coat the medicine that is the facts of what they've done to the sport we love in a bit of sugar, as id that will really get them to see what everyone else can. Dubs are no worse nor no better than anyone else. If anything the soulless nature of large cities make communities and camaraderie harder to exist than in rural Ireland.
I can see your point Syf but I doubt that you see mine.
What we have is unsustainable; 40% of the people of the Republic reside in the Greater Dublin Area so to all intents and purposes they are represented by just one team.
(I know there is an overspill into South Meath and East Kildare but the flags flying in Dunshaughlin and Ashbourne are 90% Dub. Of course the present Dub team is the best of all time.
Who else could afford to spend the GDP of a banana republic on the preparation of a side? Money no object and it matters, no matter what others might say.
The present set up is neither good for Dublin or for the other 31 counties. The first one is pretty obvious, the second one is not quite so apparent but it is crucial that it be addressed sooner rather than later.
Of course the Dubs have a huge following, 10% of the general public would still be far greater than the 90% of sheep shaggers that had muzzy heads and sore throats but were still deliriously happy last Monday morning.
In common or garden terms, the GAA "penetration" in Roscommon and other rural counties is many times greater than it is in Dublin. Also, with only one senior team to represent the county, hundreds of players will never get the chance to play intercounty football and many will drift away and will be no longer an asset to the GAA. Paying out huge coaching grants to Dub GAA is putting the cart before the horse. It will further increase the gap I playing standards between Dublin and the rest but it will not, on its own, entice one single individual to play Gaelic football.
Its makes an already bad situation many times worse and its benefits (to the Dubs) are going to be short lived.
But you can't blame Dublin supporters for the problems we are discussing- no bloody way. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, y'know. A rapidly increasing population in Dublin and a dwindling one in most rural counties has nothing to do with Gaelic football.
The vast majority of Dubs on the board are as sound as they come. You can't expect them to go about carving up their beloved county to make things easier for everyone else.
It's up to your county board and mine and every other one as well to stop whining and get moving. Of course there should be a demand to split Dublin into two or more units but there also has to be the realisation that changes are needed elsewhere such as certain counties amalgamating.
The model used in 1884 is no longer fit for purpose and changes are needed but stop blaming Dub supporters when the onus is on all county boards to force change.
+1 ;)