Boxing Thread

[nrico2006]

Haye didn't offfer much offensively yet Klitschko didn't do anything special either.  Haye didn't look too bad after the fight for a man that was hammered, his face was fresher looking than Klitschko's. 

[JimStynes]

Imagine a 21 year old Iron Mike in the ring with those 2 clowns.

[nrico2006]

Imagine a 21 year old Iron Mike in the ring with those 2 clowns.

I still get annoyed when I read anything about Kevin McBride ending Mike Tysons career, or the 'great Lennox Lewis' who beat Tyson etc.  Lewis was nothing special and Tyson couldn't get up of his hole against McBride, I would love to have seen a 21 year old Tyson in the ring with either man, aswell as Holyfield. 

[gallsman]

Imagine a 21 year old Iron Mike in the ring with those 2 clowns.

I still get annoyed when I read anything about Kevin McBride ending Mike Tysons career, or the 'great Lennox Lewis' who beat Tyson etc.  Lewis was nothing special and Tyson couldn't get up of his hole against McBride, I would love to have seen a 21 year old Tyson in the ring with either man, aswell as Holyfield.

Lunacy. Lewis was an absolutely fabulous boxer. The aura of Tyson masks the fact that his pure boxing skills were not up to the level of some others. Half his opponents were beaten before leaving the dressing room. Would loved to have seen him go up against Bowe.

[The Iceman]

Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.

He would have taken Bowe apart.

Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....

[nrico2006]

Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.

He would have taken Bowe apart.

Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....

Agreed.  When he went at full tilt nobody could defend themselves.  I will never forget the sight of Tyson bouncing Trevor Berbick around the ring.

[Atticus_Finch]

Just to let you all know.

Paul McCloskey's opponent for the 10th of September has been officially confirmed as Bredis Prescott.

Fight will be in the odyssey arena - Carl Frampton will be on the undercard.

Should be a great occasion for the Belfast fight crowd.

[J OGorman]

Just to let you all know.

Paul McCloskey's opponent for the 10th of September has been officially confirmed as Bredis Prescott.

Fight will be in the odyssey arena - Carl Frampton will be on the undercard.

Should be a great occasion for the Belfast fight crowd.

brilliant, world title fight next if Dudey is victorious

[The Claw]

Just to let you all know.

Paul McCloskey's opponent for the 10th of September has been officially confirmed as Bredis Prescott.

Fight will be in the odyssey arena - Carl Frampton will be on the undercard.

Should be a great occasion for the Belfast fight crowd.

That'll be a great night. Tough fight for Dudey though no question.

What about Khan v Judah? I would have thought Judah was great value at 7/2?

[gallsman]

Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.

He would have taken Bowe apart.

Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....

Lol, Bowe had the size and skill the way Lewis did and would have handled Mike no bother. Holyfield boxed the ears off him. Twice. I'll give you Bonecrusher, fair enough but Berbick?! Berbick fought a 39 year old, finished Ali and then won the title against Pinklon Thomas. What was that impressive about him that it should stand out on his record!?

[Minder]

We will never know if Bowe would have beaten Tyson but he certainly wouldn't have been intimidated by him.

[The Iceman]

Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.

He would have taken Bowe apart.

Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....

Lol, Bowe had the size and skill the way Lewis did and would have handled Mike no bother. Holyfield boxed the ears off him. Twice. I'll give you Bonecrusher, fair enough but Berbick?! Berbick fought a 39 year old, finished Ali and then won the title against Pinklon Thomas. What was that impressive about him that it should stand out on his record!?

I put their names out there because they were "names" at the time and the first big scalps for Tyson. We can only compare apples to apples and Tyson easily disposed of the biggest names in his division at the time.
When he went against Lewis he wasn't the fresh 21 year old with his head on right, and that the fighter I am talking about.
For me (you can disagree) Tyson would have walked through Bowe, fought him inside and broke him.

[CiKe]

Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.

He would have taken Bowe apart.

Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....

Lol, Bowe had the size and skill the way Lewis did and would have handled Mike no bother. Holyfield boxed the ears off him. Twice. I'll give you Bonecrusher, fair enough but Berbick?! Berbick fought a 39 year old, finished Ali and then won the title against Pinklon Thomas. What was that impressive about him that it should stand out on his record!?

who did Bowe beat apart from Holyfield? Bowe was a skilled boxer and a big man, but if I recall Golota was beating him twice before he got himself disqualified. Bowe could have been brilliant but was lazy. Think it would have been a good fight but peak Tyson vs peak Bowe, think Tyson beats him.

To all intents and purposes however Tyson's era was before both Bowe and Lewis because unusually for a heavyweight he peaked in his early 20's - forget about him post jail when he himself didn't beat anyone of note (Bruce Seldon was a world champ for God's sake). At their peaks I think Lewis would have been too big for him, but if they fought in the early 90's Tyson would have gone through him the way McCall did.

[CiKe]

Just to let you all know.

Paul McCloskey's opponent for the 10th of September has been officially confirmed as Bredis Prescott.

Fight will be in the odyssey arena - Carl Frampton will be on the undercard.

Should be a great occasion for the Belfast fight crowd.

He should win this easily. Not sure he will get world title fight after it, might have to do good domestic dust up with Mitchell who stopped Murray at the weekend and handled Prescott easily (though was taken to the cleaners by Katsidis).

[Atticus_Finch]

Yes he will Cike (if he wins)  it's a WBA title eliminator - so he's one win away from another crack at a world title.

The Claw - You can get Judah at 9/2 on a couple of sites and generally seems to be 4/1 - think at that price he is definitely worth a punt.

On Tyson, tell me this do any of you have any argument about Tyson making the hall of fame ?  Read an article recently by Teddy Atlas in which he argued that he shouldn't have ... i can see this post turning into an essay so will try keep it brief ... his main argument was that Tyson always came up short when someone didn't let Tyson intimidate them and they would go on to test Tyson that he didn't have any answer .. Would any of you agree ?

Needless to say Atlas has a lot of bitterness towards Tyson.  Read his book a few years back and it wasn't a bad read.  Summary of his relationship with Tyson is that he would have helped out with the training of Tyson but came to a turbulent end when Tyson (at the time 15) alledgedly sexually assaulted Atla's niece who was 11. Atlas reaction ..... he pointed a gun at Tyson's head and threatened to put him on a night train to the big adios.