Maddie McCann

Started by ExiledGael, May 14, 2007, 08:12:54 PM

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Keyser soze

That 40 something questions she "needs to answer" have been floating around on SM for ten or more years. and indeed multiple variations of it. All that goes to show is that people will believe any oul ballacks.

Rudi

Quote from: highorlow on March 19, 2019, 02:11:37 PM
This happened right at the outset of "social" media and with cheap flights the journos were able to follow the McCann's around and with the competition for a new angle to the story the whole thing became a media circus. It brings an aspect to the documentary that is not unlike the current propaganda machines in the media that appears to be controlling modern day politics and the way people are led.

From one episode to the next the media are either with the McCanns or agin them.

Very good post.

tyrone girl

Quote from: Keyser soze on March 19, 2019, 02:15:25 PM
That 40 something questions she "needs to answer" have been floating around on SM for ten or more years. and indeed multiple variations of it. All that goes to show is that people will believe any oul ballacks.

Yep i have read multiple variations on it and suddenly people quote all of this and turn into a team of Columbos on facebook. Someone posts something on facebook and suddenly everyone jumps on it and it becomes 'the truth' as far as people are concerned.
I used to think only people with the same mentality as the idiots who share the fake holidays for bora bora or the campervans believe the likes of this rubbish but more recently i am seeing actually sensible people running with it also  ::)

NetNitrate

That said the police files were released to public in 2008 and it lists that 48 questions she refused to answer. Not everything is fake news because it gets recycled in often vicious ways on social media.

Main Street

Quote from: AZOffaly on March 19, 2019, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 19, 2019, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 19, 2019, 01:23:28 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 19, 2019, 01:04:25 PM
The one thing that sticks out about this is the McCanns were never criticised for leaving their children sleeping on their own, while they went out socialising. If that was parents from some working class area, the social services would've been on their case. But here, nothing.

Seriously? That is the single most often aired criticism I have heard about this. How could you go out and leave your kids on their own?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Mightn't have made myself clear. You said you hadn't heard them being criticised for that, my point is that is the criticism I have heard most often.
To quote Oprah (always a good source)  in an interview with Maddie's parents  "you have been vilified all over the world".

lurganblue

The documentary really just left me with more questions. How could all the people at the dinner table give conflicting statements surrounding that night and the days beforehand; and then even amend details of their statements.  The rota they said they operated every 20 mins to check on the kids is ballix IMO. Is this a lie to save face? She states that she ran out shouting that "they" have taken Madeleine.  Surely your first reaction would be that the child has woken up and gone looking for her parents? If you think someone has abducted the child straight away why wait 45 mins to call the police?

Why was there really no input on the show from staff at the hotel?

If you state that Madeleine had woken up the night before and was crying looking her parents, why would you think it ok to go out again the next night, knowing that the kids could waken alone again.

Again, I cant say i lend myself to any of the conclusions as to what actually happened but all of that doesn't sit right with me.

general_lee

Honestly the most logical conclusion I can come to is that they accidentally overdosed her on sedatives and hid the body. Too much doesn't add up.

GetOverTheBar

Quote from: general_lee on March 20, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
Honestly the most logical conclusion I can come to is that they accidentally overdosed her on sedatives and hid the body. Too much doesn't add up.

I haven't watched the documentary as yet - where did that theory originate from, Portuguese police in the original investigation ?

gallsman

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Quote from: AZOffaly on March 19, 2019, 01:23:28 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 19, 2019, 01:04:25 PM
The one thing that sticks out about this is the McCanns were never criticised for leaving their children sleeping on their own, while they went out socialising. If that was parents from some working class area, the social services would've been on their case. But here, nothing.

Seriously? That is the single most often aired criticism I have heard about this. How could you go out and leave your kids on their own?

I remember umpteen lads on here giving me dogs abuse over such a suggestion that the McCanns bore some responsibility, even if there wasn't anything sinister.

"Got kids yourself, do you?!" was usually the retort, as if that had anything to do with it.

Main Street

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 20, 2019, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on March 20, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
Honestly the most logical conclusion I can come to is that they accidentally overdosed her on sedatives and hid the body. Too much doesn't add up.

I haven't watched the documentary as yet - where did that theory originate from, Portuguese police in the original investigation ?
The nutjob Portuguese detective who claimed all the brits and M15 were in on the conspiracy now earning a fortune with his book and appearances.
Of all the possible scenarios, that one is up there with alien abductions. There's no motive and no opportunity.
Both parents, acting out of panic cover up an accidental death? plus one/two/ all the others in on it? "I say ol chap we're in a bit of pickle could you help us out right now with Maddie and dump her outside?"
Then they all go down and have a dinner party, knocking back wine by the bottle until 10pm.

lurganblue

A lot of the theories don't add up, as you have described. Same with the "they kept her in a freezer for twenty odd days, and then transported her body in the boot of the car to bury her." In the middle of a world media circus people think this is possible. Madness.

Still though. They aren't being totally truthful. 

general_lee

Quote from: Main Street on March 20, 2019, 01:40:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 20, 2019, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on March 20, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
Honestly the most logical conclusion I can come to is that they accidentally overdosed her on sedatives and hid the body. Too much doesn't add up.

I haven't watched the documentary as yet - where did that theory originate from, Portuguese police in the original investigation ?
The nutjob Portuguese detective who claimed all the brits and M15 were in on the conspiracy now earning a fortune with his book and appearances.
Of all the possible scenarios, that one is up there with alien abductions. There's no motive and no opportunity.
Both parents, acting out of panic cover up an accidental death? plus one/two/ all the others in on it? "I say ol chap we're in a bit of pickle could you help us out right now with Maddie and dump her outside?"
Then they all go down and have a dinner party, knocking back wine by the bottle until 10pm.
Yeah but it's two idiots who left their three young children unattended in a hotel room every night  in a foreign country while they went away and got drunk with their friends. That it in itself is a pretty unbelievable scenario but that's what happened.

Main Street

Quote from: general_lee on March 20, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 20, 2019, 01:40:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 20, 2019, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on March 20, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
Honestly the most logical conclusion I can come to is that they accidentally overdosed her on sedatives and hid the body. Too much doesn't add up.

I haven't watched the documentary as yet - where did that theory originate from, Portuguese police in the original investigation ?
The nutjob Portuguese detective who claimed all the brits and M15 were in on the conspiracy now earning a fortune with his book and appearances.
Of all the possible scenarios, that one is up there with alien abductions. There's no motive and no opportunity.
Both parents, acting out of panic cover up an accidental death? plus one/two/ all the others in on it? "I say ol chap we're in a bit of pickle could you help us out right now with Maddie and dump her outside?"
Then they all go down and have a dinner party, knocking back wine by the bottle until 10pm.
Yeah but it's two idiots who left their three young children unattended in a hotel room every night  in a foreign country while they went away and got drunk with their friends. That it in itself is a pretty unbelievable scenario but that's what happened.
After one  is aware that it is established by the facts of the case that "the parents did it" scenario is just absurd beyond belief, then observations, judgements about the parent's demeanor/behavior, don't have any value.
All the parents in that party left their children to sleep alone and it was Maddie's parents who were, by all accounts, more diligent with the checking up.

NetNitrate

Parents/friends were probably suspects for two reasons:
1) A body has to be in a location a certain amount of time for cadaver dogs to be able to detect scent - which they did in both the apartment, Kate's clothes and McCann's rental car. These were English dogs that had a solid track record.
2) The only independent witness to a possible abduction (father of an Irish family) informed Gardai sometime after the fact that they were 80% certain the man they saw walking what they thought at time was a sleeping child towards the beach that night was Gerry McCann.
None of this is to say they were in any way responsible (find it hard to believe they could be), but police should always investigate immediate family and friends in situations like this.

02

Quote from: NetNitrate on March 20, 2019, 06:14:47 PM
Parents/friends were probably suspects for two reasons:
1) A body has to be in a location a certain amount of time for cadaver dogs to be able to detect scent - which they did in both the apartment, Kate's clothes and McCann's rental car. These were English dogs that had a solid track record.
2) The only independent witness to a possible abduction (father of an Irish family) informed Gardai sometime after the fact that they were 80% certain the man they saw walking what they thought at time was a sleeping child towards the beach that night was Gerry McCann.
None of this is to say they were in any way responsible (find it hard to believe they could be), but police should always investigate immediate family and friends in situations like this.

Completely, agree! What screams guilt to me is Kate WASHED Maddies favourite comfort toy (cuddle cat) before the police came to collect DNA evidence. What mother of a missing child would do such a thing? Why would you want to lose your daughter's smell from it. I believe the theory of the ex-police chief in Portugal, Maddie fell from the window ledge in the living room (there was a sofa to climb on to it). Gerry took charge and covered it all up (he is a cool customer).
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