Well after 9 long years, we are finally back in a Leinster final. I know we haven't had to wait as long as our opponents but I'll let their supporters speak of what it means to them. 2001 was a great year for Meath whatever way you look at it, a really enjoyable one as a supporter even if it ended on a flat note and was followed by a severe decline. Graham and Ollie were still in their pomp while Nigel and Big John from Curragha were commanding the airspace in the centre. All-star Evan Kelly had a motor like no other, Trevor Giles conducted proceedings with precision. We had one of the best full back lines going though they were stretched a few times that year by Dessie Dolan and Pauric Joyce.
The battles with Westmeath that year were legendary and then we brushed the Dubs aside in the Leinster final. Then another quarter final duel with Westmeath before we destroyed a shell-shocked Kerry team, shocking ourselves in the process and whether the lads had ideas about themselves or what going into the final they weren't ready for what came next.
Team from 2001:
QuoteCormac O'Sullivan,
Mark O'Reilly, Darren Fay, Cormac Murphy,
Donal Curtis, Nigel Nestor, Hank Traynor,
Nigel Crawford, John McDermott,
Evan Kelly, Trevor Giles, Richie Kealy,
Ollie Murphy, Graham Geraghty, Ray Magee.
But anyway on to the present day
Meath seem to finally have started to show their potential, although I feel we have yet to see a complete performance from the team. Against Offaly our backs were suspect, against Laois we lost our grip on a game we looked to have under our control and were lucky not to lose. Against the Dubs our midfield were poor. I've always felt Eamonn wasn't getting this team to play to the sum of its parts but the game against Dublin was as close as we've come to it. However Eamonn is looking a much better manager than I gave him credit for last year with some really bizarre decisions like playing King at full forward.
Louth are looking dangerous but I don't feel they have the quality that Meath have especially when passing the ball however they have plenty of lads who can put scores on the board and will be a tough test for our backs, perhaps tougher than Dublin proved. They won't be lacking hunger or desire to land the trophy and take our scalp at the same time. That's an awfully sweet carrot that's dangling in front of them and we better be going into the game feeling as hungry for it as possible.
Don't think there are too many changes I'd want to make to the team from last sunday other than midfield if we have Crawford back. Although I don't know if Eamonn will do it but I wonder would Meade and Gillespie be our strongest choice. Moyles will probably pick Brian White, Gary O'Brien on Colm Judge, Reilly on JP or Lennon.
Teams picking itself at this stage:
QuoteB Murphy;
C O'Connor, K Reilly, E Harrington;
A Moyles, G O'Brien, C King;
B Meade, (1)N Crawford (2)M Ward or (3)C Gillespie
S Kenny, J Sheridan, G Reilly;
C Ward, S O'Rourke, S Bray.
Excellent Title on the thread
Not many would have picked this Leinster final at the start of the year but it's great to see some new team's & new Leinster Champions
I have been very impressed With Meath i think they are finally gelling a team together that can be compared to the 90s ones, of course the pressure of been favourites might affect the players mind on final day
Louth like ourselves are now guaranteed two more matches which should be a great experience with the added bonus of nobody expecting to win so they won't have any pressure but i'm sure they will have some nervous lads
Well I can't wax lyrical like the juice about our last team to win a Leinster title. Unfortunately we have lost quite a few of them recently, will be great for the likes of Jimmy Mc Donnell who are still around though. I also love the title thread though 8)
Nobody in Louth would have given Fitzer a snowballs chance in hell of making a Leinster final. In fact many foolish people were ready to lynch him after a couple of poor results in the league!! Sometimes the media in Louth can take on an English tabloid style unfortunately. Mind you the way that O Brien was eventually appointed to a one year contract last year shows just how much confidence there was in him in the beautiful county as well. Fair play to both of them for getting their teams to this day.
There is no doubt about it that is all the sweeter that its the Royals we face in this. The craic for us supporters is going to be mighty.
Meath have to enter this as clear favourites. If we are going to have a chance we need to continue the strong showing at the middle and to be honest I hope that it is Crawford and Ward in middle, even though I think that it is Meath's best midfield I also think that where they do have weaknesses they can be exposed by our lads on the day. One more big day in Croker from our men in the middle and surely to God we will be looking at Louth's first ever All Star (yes for those who don't know, first ever!!!) We need to win the middle primarily to try and starve the ball going into a quality Meath forward line.
I can't see any change in personnel in the Louth defence, maybe a few shuffles though. In the forwards I think that JP will still start although the lads will think about it. As for young Mc Donnell, I like him myself and he had a good day in Navan, but bad in both Portlaoise and Croker, so his place is under threat, although Fitzer will probably name the same 15 and maybe make the change on the day. We'll see..
I think that this has the potential to be a real great game of proper football as both teams approach the game in the right fashion, good old style midfield play, direct ball in to forwards who can score and a defence that asks or gives no quarter! Bring it On!!
f**king wetting myself waiting for it, even if the wife has threatened to divorce me at this early stage in the build up :D
Talking to a few Louth boys between the two games on Sunday.
I'd forgotten how much they hate us. :D
Battle of the Boyne - good man Juice.
A mighty occasion. It'll be hard to get the head together for a sensible analysis of this one. Anything could happen.
I'm anticipating domestic difficulties like Louth Exile, being hitched to a Wee woman. She's even taking about going to the match, forgodsake. She can go on her own, well.
Quote from: Hardy on June 30, 2010, 09:26:38 AM
Battle of the Boyne - good man Juice.
A mighty occasion. It'll be hard to get the head together for a sensible analysis of this one. Anything could happen.
I'm anticipating domestic difficulties like Louth Exile, being hitched to a Wee woman. She's even taking about going to the match, forgodsake. She can go on her own, well.
A hardy day in the Hardy house, by God they thought it was bad when Billy pranced over the water in his big white horse!! I reckon it will be a draw 1-6 to 0-9 :P(small bit of licence there)
I think it's brilliant for both teams to be in, anyone but Dublin eh. But fair play to Louth I just hope they don't see the getting to the final as the holy grail, as a Down man I have big affection for Louth, they always supported Down well.
I remember back in the nineties Dundalk was full of Down flags but it's great for them to be putting the Louth flags up, no disrespect to Meath (look to be a classy article) but have to repay the loyalty and weigh in behind the Louth men - my heart says louth, my head meath though
Great title. Nice one Juice.
Louth have taken the Bridge already!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/LouthGAA.PNG)
Time to resurrect that TV ad for the championship I LOVE LOUTH -
Think people overlook Meath every year. Last year they made the All Ireland Semi Final yet going into this year they were seen as under-dogs in their own province. In terms of their attack they boast 4 star forwards who would be in with a shout with every county in the isle.
The movement and life in the full forward line seems to scare the b'jayus out of every full back line. Steven Bray has hit the form that torn apart Tyrone in 2007.
Louth are no pushovers either. JP Rooney will take a bit of marking. Cant seen White getting the same freedom as he has recently and will be targetted. All the attributes of a top game. Roll on 11th!
It'll be a good one for the neutrals.
Both teams will let the ball do the work.
Quote from: Hardy on June 30, 2010, 09:26:38 AM
Battle of the Boyne - good man Juice.
A mighty occasion. It'll be hard to get the head together for a sensible analysis of this one. Anything could happen.
I'm anticipating domestic difficulties like Louth Exile, being hitched to a Wee woman. She's even taking about going to the match, forgodsake. She can go on her own, well.
Hardy, if I have to bring a Royal woman I think its only fair that you bring the Wee One ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on June 30, 2010, 11:24:28 AM
Louth have taken the Bridge already!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/LouthGAA.PNG)
Love it. If we win this final I think that the motion to change the crest will have to be rescinded.
Got the car flags in Sharkeys today on the way to work, not a huge amount of flags in either county so far, but that border stretch coming into Ardee has a bit more intensity of colour than most other places. Ardee town has far more flags than Dundalk. fair play to them. Still haven't reached the heights of the Monaghan colours in Carrickmacross yet though.
Mind you, we are just there to make up the numbers according to some tipsters ;)
http://kevinegan.starbets.ie/2010/06/28/monaghans-efficiency-overshadowed-by-meath-magic/
Lopsided draw so that's Offaly's excuse for not getting to the Leinster Final, Lone Shark should stick to the hurling :P
QuotePressure's on Meath, Lennon insists
29 June 2010
Shane Lennon insists that all the pressure will be on Meath in next month's Leinster SFC final, despite the fact that Louth will be making their first appearance in a provincial decider in half a century.
The Royals produced one of the performances of the championship so far when they put five goals past a hapless Dublin last Sunday, and Louth full forward Lennon believes they will have a lot to live up to.
"It's a huge match for Louth, particularly as the county hasn't appeared in a Leinster final since 1960," the Kilkerley Emmets clubman said in the Irish Examiner.
"But it's also a huge match for Meath, and after beating Dublin so convincingly, I think there's much more pressure on them than there is on us. Our fans will be hoping we continue our winning run, but I think the expectation of Meath fans will be massive, and they won't be thinking in terms of their team losing to us."
Lennon stressed that Louth have no intention of resting on their laurels after their wins over Longford, Kildare and Westmeath.
"We're not happy to just be there. Louth haven't won a provincial football title since 1957 and now that we're in the final, we want to win the title. We scored 1-22 against Kildare and 1-15 against Westmeath, and hopefully we will have another big scoring total against Meath."
Mind games have started
You heard it hear first.... we have a song "An Lu Abu"
Youtube link for video tomorrow.... hopefully Gerry Kelly will launch it on LMFM late lunch this afternoon. CD will be on sale in Louth Supporters Club shop on Monday or Tuesday with all proceeds to the Louth Players Fun. Its a novelty song, just a bit of craic, nothing in it that Eamonn O Brien will be able to play on the bus to the match to motivate the players. A bit of fun to add to the buzz for the suporters.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 02, 2010, 01:37:06 PM
You heard it hear first.... we have a song "An Lu Abu"
Youtube link for video tomorrow.... hopefully Gerry Kelly will launch it on LMFM late lunch this afternoon. CD will be on sale in Louth Supporters Club shop on Monday or Tuesday with all proceeds to the Louth Players Fun. Its a novelty song, just a bit of craic, nothing in it that Eamonn O Brien will be able to play on the bus to the match to motivate the players. A bit of fun to add to the buzz for the suporters.
Yous are certainly going all out. 20 page 'celebratory' pull outs in the papers this week I see. Though, I think the article on Paddy Keenan's ma might have been pushing it a wee bit. What will the place be like if yous actually win?
Sure God love them. :D
Quotewe have a song "An Lu Abu"
Whatever happened AnLuAbu that used to post here? Her day has come.
I hope the team is peaking too early the same as the fans.
At least in this Battle of the Boyne the Fenians are guaranteed to win :D
Looking forward to this one - it really is a novel pairing. Find it hard to believe its been 9 years since Meath were in a Leinster final!
Meath will start favourites and a lot will depend on how they handle that (though Meath arent usually seen as mentally fragile)
I think if they are to win, Louth need to lord it in the middle and starve Meath of possession. I think theyll probably need to win 60% of ball as the Meath ff line is the best in the business imo.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on July 02, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
I think if they are to win, Louth need to lord it in the middle and starve Meath of possession. I think theyll probably need to win 60% of ball as the Meath ff line is the best in the business imo.
Was pretty much thinking the same myself.
Right lads here is the song, remember it is a novelty song to get a bit of craic going within the county for the fans, looks like it will now be on sale from Tuesday in the Supporters Shop in Dundalk with the proceeds going to the players fund. Video only up two days now an already over 1,600 hits!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRRl_kRI2Ww
Quote from: red hander on July 02, 2010, 07:35:45 PM
At least in this Battle of the Boyne the Fenians are guaranteed to win :D
I heard Little Ian has offered to play corner back for Louth, coz the approaching Dublin from North of the River.
He also demanded the game not be played on Sunday.
An Lú Abú!
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 04, 2010, 11:10:11 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on July 02, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
I think if they are to win, Louth need to lord it in the middle and starve Meath of possession. I think theyll probably need to win 60% of ball as the Meath ff line is the best in the business imo.
Was pretty much thinking the same myself.
Right lads here is the song, remember it is a novelty song to get a bit of craic going within the county for the fans, looks like it will now be on sale from Tuesday in the Supporters Shop in Dundalk with the proceeds going to the players fund. Video only up two days now an already over 1,600 hits!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRRl_kRI2Ww
Jaysus, could ye not have thrown some original music behind it, we could have sent up TR Dallas if ye were stuck :P And surely to Christ ye could have found someone else to give the voice over apart from the insipid Morrissey...
Anyways, An Lú Abú!!!
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on July 05, 2010, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 04, 2010, 11:10:11 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on July 02, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
I think if they are to win, Louth need to lord it in the middle and starve Meath of possession. I think theyll probably need to win 60% of ball as the Meath ff line is the best in the business imo.
Was pretty much thinking the same myself.
Right lads here is the song, remember it is a novelty song to get a bit of craic going within the county for the fans, looks like it will now be on sale from Tuesday in the Supporters Shop in Dundalk with the proceeds going to the players fund. Video only up two days now an already over 1,600 hits!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRRl_kRI2Ww
Jaysus, could ye not have thrown some original music behind it, we could have sent up TR Dallas if ye were stuck :P And surely to Christ ye could have found someone else to give the voice over apart from the insipid Morrissey...
Anyways, An Lú Abú!!!
I know the lad behind it, it was never intended to be a musical masterpiece, the idea was suggested to him less than a week ago, it was written and produced in two days to get it out there. The majority of feedback has been positive, but its not going to be everyones liking and thats fine, it had 1,900 hits by lunctime today and will be on sale by tomorrow to raise some funds for the players fund, not bad going if you ask me! It was easier and quicker to use Marty's piece than Colm Corrigans (LMFM), those were the only options available. In fairness I think that its a good opener
Will there be McArdles available especially for Sunday.
Pims for the Meath lads :-*
I'm nervous......
Talk on hoganstand (so it must be true :P ) that Crawford got injured again in training and is out for this weekend,
true or not, I dont think we can lose midfield and expect to win this weekend. Louth have much more dangerous forwards than the Dubs, and I doubt we'll get the same amount of goal chances again.
Agreed. Losing Crawford would be a nightmare. But, Crawford or no Crawford, the management has to address the midfield problem. If we can't win enough primary possession, we have to do two things: stop the opposition winning it and win the majority of "secondary" possession - breaking ball.
The two go together as well. If you're not going to catch the kickout, you should be fisting it or knocking it down as the opposition tries to catch it. And your ground ball scrappers should be anticipating that. It was annoying in the Dublin game to see Meath players standing around aimlessly as everyone in the stadium could see the kickout situation develop - the Dublin midfielder jumping for it and another Dublin player facing him, 3 to 5 yards in front of him to pick up any likely break. Time and again. No response from our players or from the sideline. Any breaking ball we did pick up was because of a combination of random breaks and Seamus Kenny doing it all on his own.
It's not popular to be questioning the management approach when results are going well, but it does make you wonder what's going on when they can go through an entire game watching this kind of stuff and doing nothing about it.
The really worrying thing is that the Dublin result may mask the obvious crisis at midfield and it won't be addressed at all. If that happens, Louth will totally wipe us out for possession, because their midfield is about twice as good as Dublin's.
Don't mind the usual hogan stand nonsense.
Crawford will be fit.
Very quiet build up in Meath for this, not sure if its a good or bad thing. I think after our last nine mierable years people are not getting ahead of themselves and waiting to see what Sunday brings. Certainly wont be any complacency. cant wait for it though....
Who gets Drogheda though?
The bastards have annexed large parts of Meath, that the Droghedeans refer to as "The Far Side", into the borough of Drogheda already. I propose that Sunday's match be for them to keep it or us to get it back, along with the rest of the town and the northern hinterland. They can keep Clogherhead and Ardee, though.
Quote from: Hardy on July 07, 2010, 02:10:51 PM
The b**tards have annexed large parts of Meath, that the Droghedeans refer to as "The Far Side", into the borough of Drogheda already. I propose that Sunday's match be for them to keep it or us to get it back, along with the rest of the town and the northern hinterland. They can keep Clogherhead and Ardee, though.
Isn't that "The Faaa Side" :D
Sorry - correct.
Maaas Baaaas
Went to de Mary's in Dwaa-da.
From what I remember there were a few questionable Meath men from the town in the school in 1999 and 1996. Wonder what colours they're wearing this weekend.
For those who haven't heard it, Off the Ball from Drogheda last Monday. Starts about five minutes in and Seamie wasn't long about putting in the hits on wee Bernie (even if he did dodge a few of them). Good craic :D
http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/22/monday/2/
I was very disappointed about the lack of colour in Dundalk on the Tuesday after the Westmeath game, but was back in it today for the first time since.... Holy shit...
In fairness this is what Fitzer and the county board want, we are going to have to trust that he is able to channel the support. If the weather is good on Sunday the bandwagon will be well and truly hitched up. In fairness our support were very vocal and colourful the last day, so maybe they can be the 16 man, as in fairness to the Royals have the solid fanbase they should be guaranteed strong support.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 07, 2010, 09:50:18 PM
For those who haven't heard it, Off the Ball from Drogheda last Monday. Starts about five minutes in and Seamie wasn't long about putting in the hits on wee Bernie (even if he did dodge a few of them). Good craic :D
http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/22/monday/2/
The crassness of yer man in introducing Kevin Beahan as a
survivor of the 1957 team!
Still brutally nervous.............
Reasons why we Can win
we have players better suited to win breaking ball apart from Seamus Kenny Meath don't win enough in this area...on a day where both teams strength in the forwards the one who is starved the most will lose
Meath defence lacks pace....King Moyles o'brien Harrington all good defenders but their pace can be exposed
Also JP is due a good game....and maybe too tricky for Harrington....taking meath for goals could really give the underdogs the belief to win the game
Complacency meath could come out flat....in their first provincial final in 9 years as overwhelming favourites playing their lil oul rivals they may become fearful and edgy and we might just take them on the hop
Luck....not going to win us the game but Lord knows we are due some!
Reasons why Meath can win
all ireland semi finalist twice in the last 5 years that pedigree and pressure scenario will stand to them at crucial game winning moments
better options coming off the bench (Byrne, Farrell Mcguinness ward/crawford all would be starters for louth ) Louth have 3 defenders available on the bench 1 of which is Fitzers son....on a day where our defence will be tested to the max a substitution to come in and shore it up...does not look likely
Our Midfield although talented is grossly over-hyed having outplayed a longford midfield,a kildare midfield with a half fit dermot earley substitute and a poor as midfield as your going to get from Westmeath.....
Both picking up awards during the week does nothing for your energy levels aswell as your hunger.....
I think the fact that White kicks frees and scored points over looks the bread and butter of midfield play linking the play and putting pressure around the middle
Brian Meade, Crawford and Ward have been doing this for a while are not flash and are used to getting through mammoth amounts of work and listening to Louth being built up all week will suit them and give them a point to prove...that really worries me
Management Fitzer at the end of the day is a bad manager...wins cover over the cracks ....in the white heat of a provincial final McDonnell/McEniff and the whole backroom team might not have the nous to pull it out of the bag....where as O'Brien has been with Boylan in all-ireland situations aswell as having Sean Kelly in there who is rated very highly they along with the subs will have the edge on the line to beat us.....
this game is going to be the ultimate Gut wrencher
I think will be a draw......
Another Louth man in exile. I'm sweating in New Jersey from the heat of the summer and the nerves of the upcoming battle against the old enemy. Been out here 20 years, so long that I used to call me aunts in Ardee to put the radio up against the phone so I could listen to another Louth let down in the Championship. I hope and prey it will be different this Sunday. I have a red and white flag flying outside my house. Now the neighbors think I'm Polish. Wish I was back in Ardee for this one. Already told the wife that come September if all goes well were heading for Dublin.
Meath people this is our time.... SO PISS OFF.... We are the WEE county. I can say that...
well team named, no Ward, thank you Eammon. I hate seeing players dropped but its a brave choice from him. Also I think a spell on the bench might give Ward the kick he needs. Hope Meade delivers now! Rest of team as is. Also glad to see he didnt drop Murphy for O Rourke, come on Sunday! ;D
Quote from: meathie on July 09, 2010, 09:27:27 AM
well team named, no Ward, thank you Eammon. I hate seeing players dropped but its a brave choice from him. Also I think a spell on the bench might give Ward the kick he needs. Hope Meade delivers now! Rest of team as is. Also glad to see he didnt drop Murphy for O Rourke, come on Sunday! ;D
Meade & Crawford are far and away our best partnership.
Don't think he has anything to prove.
Yes - good decision. I think you might be right about Ward needing a boot, meathie. He has talent in abundance and plenty of power and strength but never seems to use any of them to their full potential. He gives the impression of operating in a comfort zone and of lacking a bit of fire and determination.
Of course it's outrageous to be making psychological assessments based on watching a lad from a distance, but he just gives the impression that if a lump of ginger was stuffed under his tail he's capable of mighty stuff.
I just don't see it to be honest lads.
He's just too awkward.
You can get away with that to a certain extent if you are fielding plenty of kick-outs but he doesn't do that either.
He's plenty big enough but he doesn't seem to be able to get off the ground at all.
I dunno Jinxy. I seem to remember him showing great potential in his first year on the team - catching high ball, using his strength, making strong runs, etc. It's as if he was doing his best then and full of drive and enthusiasm but seemed to settle into a comfortable mode when he thought he had his place nailed down. Amateur psychology, I know, but I just don't doubt his ability as much as you. He does seem to lack a football brain, though - makes wrong decisions, gets blocked too easily, etc.
Good luck to the wee county on sunday
Yea, good luck to Louth. There was a lot of support for us from Louth when we were going well, hopefully they'll make history on Sunday.
Some weekend of GAA action ahead.
Can't wait to wind down with a few pints this evening.
May the best team win.
Looking forward to this now, happy with our team, it pretty much picked itself at this stage. Feeling it will be a close one, its all down to what happens on the day, I don't know if our midfield will be out of it like the last day. Crawford and Meade can match most midfielders.
Either way if Louth win it will be great to see them land the trophy after 50+ years and I hope their supporters enjoy the occassion whatever the result.
I'll be in Waxy O'Connors in London instead of Croker sadly but I'll be glued to it as usual kicking every ball with the boys in green and eating my nails and fingers to the stump.
Best of luck to the wee county - would love to see ye do it.
Tried really hard not to post it but feck it... can't see anything other than a very comfortable meath win.
Nerves are well and truely shot! Heading off to Oxegen today to try and distract myself! Great to see the good wishes from the orchard men, I heard that Cross is awash with the colours, in fairness there was enough of us who jumped on their bandwagon in 02. Bit disappointed with the lack of well wishes from some Farney gaels that I know well, as we will be shouting for them next week, a well, I assume they are in the minority. Was wondering would we attract some new Lu posters with the final, the way that I believe the board was filled with Armagh and Tyrone posters with their rises to the top. We have one in genuine exile and another Ardee man to join ML. I think that your comments on Fitzer are wide of the mark and illjudgeded MR! The one thing we have all craved is a bit of success in Leinster, above all else and you cannot argue that he has achieved this and with a team who by their own admission know they are not the most talented that we have had in the last 20 years. He brings massive enthusiasm, has them in great shape and the Kildare performance has to be the best that I have ever seen from any Louth team. He does seem to be aware of his own deficiences and has assembelled a very capable back room team that deals with this. So be positive and give credit where due. What more could our midfield have done to date? This will undoubtedly be their biggest test and even the bandwagon can see that they are vital if we are to have any chance of winning. Just as the Meath lads are glad to see him back, I would prefer not to see Crawford playing! Anyway the Royals deserve to be favourites, but I hope our lads can channel everything into the ultimate performance and make us all proud! I hope that there also arent too many gobshites in the support on both sides, that we all respect each other and enjoy a super game of the proper direct football that both sides play. God willing at the end of it all we bring Delaney back over the Boyne! AN LU ABU :-)
Wonderfull comments about Charlie and the men of 57 ML, if our nerves are shot can you imagine how Charlie is feeling! Would be fantastic for them to see it happen once more. I am bringing my Meath clan to the game and really looking forward to that :-D My Dad has the privilege of bringing Jimmy Mc Donnell as his guest, Class. Hopefully we will all meet up on the Hallowed turf for the celebrations!
All the best to Louth. Would love to see you's do it tomorrow.
How is Charlie doing lads?
So I have my Guinness ready and chilled in the fridge, have my Irish breakfast ready to go... the game starts at 9am where I live and I cant get to a bar to watch it live.. so I will have to listen to RTE on the net, eat drink and please god be merry when Louth win the Leinster. My brother will be at the game, so I can call him for live updates. Very excited here with no one to share my excitement with. BOO HOO. I have all my Louth gear ready to go. Got my little Louth flag and my old jersey that I really don't fit into any more. Last night my 13 year old was wearing a Meath jersey.... Little feacker! He got it for Christmas form the Meath In-Laws. Like they knew or something. Any way how will Louth stop Meath's goal scoring abilities. I still cant believe they put 5 past Dublin. Was Dublin that bad or Meath that good?
Quote from: pkerin on July 10, 2010, 02:58:26 PM
So I have my Guinness ready and chilled in the fridge, have my Irish breakfast ready to go... the game starts at 9am where I live and I cant get to a bar to watch it live.. so I will have to listen to RTE on the net, eat drink and please god be merry when Louth win the Leinster. My brother will be at the game, so I can call him for live updates. Very excited here with no one to share my excitement with. BOO HOO. I have all my Louth gear ready to go. Got my little Louth flag and my old jersey that I really don't fit into any more. Last night my 13 year old was wearing a Meath jersey.... Little feacker! He got it for Christmas form the Meath In-Laws. Like they knew or something. Any way how will Louth stop Meath's goal scoring abilities. I still cant believe they put 5 past Dublin. Was Dublin that bad or Meath that good?
Check out this thread, you may get hints how to watch it online. Best of luck to Louth but, of course, we're hoping for a Meath win.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=51597
The octopus has said meath will win
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 11:22:39 AM
The octopus has said meath will win
Geraghty reckons 5 or 6 point win for the Meathmen.
C.Kelly reckons the Louthmen will do it.
Nice day, looks a decent enough crowd, should be a good game.
ref is way too picky
The ref is very fustrating.
Pity Louth didn't get one of them goal chances.
Munster Hurling Final. Two Muster men in studio, Joe wont travel.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/rto-live-tv
anything better out there?
Awful decison, never a free against Crawford and he gets a yellow card :o
Great Ref :)
Sludden is a blight on the GAA. Tyrone should be ashamed to be nominating him as an intercounty referee.
He's doing his absolute best for Louth
Bringing refereeing standards to an all time low, baffled by frees given and frees not given, zero consistency
i am no major meath fan, but the ref is giving them a royal you know what
You will notice that the cumulative wide count for Meath is non-existent from Ger Canning. For certain counties it starts from the first to the seventieth minute.
goooaaaallllll!!!!! Louth!!!!!
Great finish!!
A Rooney that knows where the net is.
Some goal. Louth's to lose now. Hope they hold out.
Magnificent finish by JP.
Just as I was typing "there'll be another goal in this game", that was a super foul by the Louth lad.
Very good response by Meath
Louth down to 14 men.
Brainless by Judge, hope they can close it out.
God, White has missed a few very scoreable frees.
who is the ref?
Louth will kill themselves if they mess this up.
That was never a legal goal surely. Sheridan threw it into the net.
HOLY f**k, NEVER WRITE OF MEATH IS BACK.
What a f**king joke!
The most disgraceful decision I have ever seen.
Umpire should be shot, that's disgraceful
Goal line technology needed.
Disgrace
Sludden is some clown
Absolute disgrace!!! That ref and umpires should be ashamed of themselves.
Scandalous. Absolutely gutted for Louth. What the feck were the umpires looking at?
That is an absolute shambles. Absolutely desperate for Louth.
f**k me. Absolute disgrace.
What a joke! Louth cheated there. That referee should not be allowed to ref again he always costs teams unfairly.
Nasty scenes.
If the GAA admin had any balls whatsoever, they should deny that score to Meath. and give the title to Louth.
Disgraceful actions by Louth fans
umpires to blame there, the refs performance was disgraceful throughout the match
I was going to post a while ago about how bad this referee was but I didn't want to be always posting negatively about referees, but that was blatantly obviously a throw in real time.
What a complete joke ... Louth were robbed
Complete mugging
Sludden in controversy shocker !
Scandalous. How stupid must those umpires be? You can't carry a ball over the line - everyone knows that.
Poor Louth played Meath off the pitch in the 2nd half.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
That was never a legal goal surely. Sheridan threw it into the net.
The GAA should hang their heads in shame, awful awful awful decisions all year, costing many teams lots of games, but this is a disgrace. Louth has been robbed.
Well done Meath.
robbery
a new low for the Gaa. For fans and officials. If the Gaa don't revisit the umpire situation now they never will. My jaysus that was an absolutely fooking disgraceful decision.
We can review Tomas O'Se and Galvin's incidents ... but not a county getting robbed?
What a joke.
Those two umpires should never be allowed near a pitch again.
Sludden couldn't have seen it to give the goal. What the f**k were the umpires at?
Disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The gobshites who attacked the idiot of a referee have now made themselves the story instead of the officials' gross incompetence.
How many of those who attacked Thierry Henry for cheating will call Joe Sheridan a cheat.
Louth fans behavior is a disgrace, they were robbed but no need for attacking the ref even if he is shite
Guys this has to be replayed common sense
louth were robbed but the actions of a minority of the louth fans at the end were an absolute disgrace.
No matter how bad a referee is, it is not acceptable for a hand to be layed on him under any circumstances.
Feel sorry for the louth team.
I think even meath fans will agree that they didnt deserve to win base on the second half
The Louth fans should have done an Offaly and sat down protest.
Demand a Replay.
Louth indeed robbed
but their number 11 (for what he was at with a Meath players face 39 odd minutes in) and alot of their fans were completely classless from the booing to the craic at the end, hard to watch
game should be replayed
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 03:40:41 PM
Guys this has to be replayed common sense
Reply why?????
Louth won fair and square.
Tony Davis.... "Martin Sludden had a great game up until that point..."
What buckin game was he watching?
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on July 11, 2010, 03:39:22 PM
Cheating Meath feckers.
Come on, you cant blame the meath players.
What did you want them to do?
No matter what Sludden did to be attacked by at least 4 fans is an absolute and total disgrace! The 'fans' that did that are absolute thugs, have let their county down and should be banned for life!
There's not a hope of a replay
Disgraceful scenes at the end but holy f**k Louth were robbed.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on July 11, 2010, 03:39:22 PM
Cheating Meath feckers.
You can't blame Meath, it was all the Officials fault.
Ban fans on the pitch...just like te GAA want.
Louth were robbed, how did the 2 umpires not see that.
louth did have chances to win it though bad shooting.
Those scumbags from louth that attacked the ref should get locked up, no call for that in GAA, a disgrace, fence those animals in.
Grown men should know better.
An injustice robbed the wee county of glory
the GAA should hang their heads in shame.
Meath wont have wanted to win a leinster title that way.
Call for a replay.
A great entertaining game destroyed
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 11, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
Tony Davis.... "Martin Sludden had a great game up until that point..."
What buckin game was he watching?
Like McStay last night ... they're all blind too
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on July 11, 2010, 03:42:17 PM
I am by no means a fan of Martin Sludden - but the umpires are to blame there not him - as for those fans attackig the referee we'll see if the GAA has any gonads.
Anyone could see in real time that he threw it. Yes the umpires are idiots but he should have seen it too.
It was a square ball to start.. then ball pushed over the line! ref asked umpires & they said goal ffs
How in the name of god can the two statues behind the goal not see that? Gutted for Louth
Not a hope of a replay either I'd say
I hope Sludden has the sense himself never to ref again nor bring those umpires along either
Sludden shouldn't be allowed to referee an U12 match
That Tony Davis is a right cork p***k, what game was he watching
Sludden is an awful referee, has been all year. Umpires are to blame too but even still it lies with the rule enforcers on the field.
I don't think carrying the ball over the line is the same offence as handling the ball in Soccer... there were two officials with a better view than us of the incident anyway. That was possibly the worst decision I have ever seen.
That umpire should be banned for life
Just saw it again, it looks even worse.
f**k, this is not the first thing this year, so many disgraceful decisions. But that is a feckn joke. It is not Meaths fault, it is the Umpires and maybe the refs.
Not sure I want to give the GAA any more of my money this is the straw that broke the camels back.
I won't condone the disgraceful behaviour of the Louth fans but it is hard to take such a blatant injustice after 50 years. The solution is to remove the injustice.
You could see Sheridan throw it in real-time. The ref should have seen it. Full stop. The umpires are even worse. They are standing right in line beside it. They are either blind or don't know the rules.
I'd be embarrassed to be a Meath man now.
Louth are the real champions.
Meath and their referees can go to hell, typical Meath cheats.
53 YRS OF HURT is what caused those grown men to go mental. I certainly dont blame them, them umpires and sludden should be banned from GAA, cheating shower of c*nts. They all saw it especially the 2 umpires.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on July 11, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
So Sheridan didnt cheat?
Did the lad who fielded the ball in the square beforehand cheat?
In fairness lads, Sludden rode meath the whole game
My heart goes out to the Louth team. I cannot say the same about the so called fans who decided to have a go at the ref - bad and all as the call about the goal was.
Expect the CCCC to do nothing other than recommend that fans be kept off the pitch to protect the ref.
As for those umpires - should have gone to Specsavers!
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 03:47:48 PM
I'd be embarrassed to be a Meath man now.
Louth are the real champions.
Meath and their referees can go to hell, typical Meath cheats.
Why are you blaming Meath?, ffs.
Can't blame Sludden that much, its the umpires who should be to blame.
Did he carry it over the line of throw in over the line? Is carrying the ball over the line illegal? What's the difference in carrying it over the goal line (either by attacking or defending player) and carrying it over the endline or sideline?
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
I won't condone the disgraceful behaviour of the Louth fans but it is hard to take such a blatant injustice after 50 years. The solution is to remove the injustice.
Felt gutted for Louth they were robbed, But several individuals disgraced the County.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2010, 03:47:24 PM
You could see Sheridan throw it in real-time. The ref should have seen it. Full stop. The umpires are even worse. They are standing right in line beside it. They are either blind or don't know the rules.
It was so obviously a throw it is unbelievable. The ball left his hands and never changed direction. It was also the 4th minute of the 3 minutes injury time. Carney even pointed out that it was a square ball as well. I'm not surprised Louth fans feel hard done by.
That was a disgrace x 2. The decision to give a goal was absolutely shocking. Just not good enough and my heart goes out to Louth.
But those Louth fans who attacked the referee after are disgusting to me. That is hooliganism, and I am very sad that I've seen that on Leinster Final Day in Croke Park. I hope those fans are identified and arrested. All of them. Absolute trampish behaviour.
Lets see what balls the media have, they screamed blue murder when Henry handled the ball, lets see what they when it was one of our own that cheated and robbed Louth.
Wonder how many facebook pages will be set up demanding a replay.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
53 YRS OF HURT is what caused those grown men to go mental. I certainly dont blame them, them umpires and sludden should be banned from GAA, cheating shower of c*nts. They all saw it especially the 2 umpires.
so your condoning a crowd of drunken pr!cks attacking a referee after a game? you're as bad as them
the most disgraceful decision ever in GAA match, i remember frankie Dolan once telling me the umpires use to drink loads before the game & those guys had to be drunk not to see that today
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on July 11, 2010, 03:44:46 PM
is what Joe Sheridan did not the same as what Maradona did or Thierry Henry - could he not have stood up and said - actually I just carried that ball over the line it was no score?
I doubt you'd find 3 players in the whole of intercounty GAA who'd tell the ref that it was no goal. In fact, I doubt you'd find one.
We don't have an honour system in GAA, in common with most field sports, so you can't blame the Meath lads.
But I doubt there has ever been such a clearcut robbery in a final in GAA history. Bad decisions happen all the time, but not to have a chance to rectify it, and given how long Louth have had to wait, well its a right hollow "victory" for Meath. I don't see how this can be replayed. What the GAA should do is publicly announce that those umpires will never officiate at intercounty level again. And the ref wasnt blameless either. He should have ensured he understood exactly what happened, rather than just accept the umpire saying it was a goal.
Quote from: stibhan on July 11, 2010, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on July 11, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
So Sheridan didnt cheat?
Did the lad who fielded the ball in the square beforehand cheat?
Players throw the ball all the time, its just a free against them, where was the refs that give a jillion frees in the NFL for not handpassing the ball correctly (WHEN THE PASS WAS PERFECT) today.
Those Louth fans really are a disgrace - not one of them could land a punch or shoulder on the ref!
I'd say those idiot Louth fans will have done damage to their chances of getting a replay. Their best hope is Meath offering them one. Wouldn't have said that would be a Meath thing to do - they're a win at all costs type of county.
Interesting pictures of O'Brien on the phone on the pitch as the trophy was being presented, he will have been told what had happened and will have feared that the presentation he was watching would be meaningless. Did we see any pictures of Sheridan and was he celebrating after the game? Difficult to know whether to blame him or not. Shocking from the umpire.
A very bad day all round, don't think either side will come out of this with much credit - maybe a replay might save the day in PR terms...
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 11, 2010, 03:50:31 PM
Can't blame Sludden that much, its the umpires who should be to blame.
Did he carry it over the line of throw in over the line? Is carrying the ball over the line illegal? What's the difference in carrying it over the goal line (either by attacking or defending player) and carrying it over the endline or sideline?
Yes it is illegal. The difference is over the goal line is a free out, over the end line is a goal kick and over the sideline is a sideline ball.
Quote from: stephenite on July 11, 2010, 03:34:17 PM
Umpire should be shot, that's disgraceful
GAABOARD REACHES NEW LOW
THere's just no f**king words. Our sport made a joke of AGAIN! a complete embarrassment.
Ban the ref and umpires from ever officiating again, complete joke.
My question is if the umpires thought it was a goal why didn't they raise the green flag? They stood with their hands behind their backs and I was sure they weren't going to give it, yon other bollocks ran in to speak to them and the goal was given?
wtf?
I'd be utterly ashamed of that title if I was a meath man.
Sure Brian White had enough chances of his own to win it for Louth before the goal - he just didnt have the balls to drag them over the line I'm afraid.
And sure aye Joe Sheridan should have owned up alright ::) ::) ::)
what a terrible finish to a good game, terrible refering decisions, terrible umpireing secision and thuggery form the fans who attacked the ref. It also loked as if one of the stewards was out cold.
The whistle should have been blew long before the goal. 3 minutes of added on time and there was almost 4.
Would imagine when Meath see that, they will offer a replay, the GAA will agree, and that's how this will play out.
In fairness, ref gave Louth a lot up until that terrible decision at the end. But Louth were by a long shot the best team. Some of their supporters let them down. Right rough looking gurriers, too. It didn't look like their first time throwing a punch. The booing of free kick takers has crept into the game in a big way this year. Hope we don't see it in McHale next week.
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2010, 03:47:24 PM
You could see Sheridan throw it in real-time. The ref should have seen it. Full stop. The umpires are even worse. They are standing right in line beside it. They are either blind or don't know the rules.
It was so obviously a throw it is unbelievable. The ball left his hands and never changed direction. It was also the 4th minute of the 3 minutes injury time. Carney even pointed out that it was a square ball as well. I'm not surprised Louth fans feel hard done by.
Muppet, you're getting dangerously close to condoning the scenes after the match. Of course Louth were robbed, and if right was right Meath would offer Louth a replay. *But* I will listen to no watery justifications for yobs to hit a ref. If we accept that as a rational action, then the GAA is truly fucked. If that happened in Dalymount Park, we'd all be going on about the Ultras or whatever.
were was the escort for the ref after the match?? why did one gardai do nothing when the ref was getting attacked??
louth were robbed big time!
if sludden didn't see it why the f**k not??? he was the referee!! if i was a louth man i'd have found it very hard to have behaved myself. i nearly kicked the telly in ffs. spillane was shaking he was that angry. how those two c***ts of umpires contrived the decision with the ref is beyond a joke. louth worthy champions!!! well done the wee county! sludden, you have disgraced our country you tr**p!
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
53 YRS OF HURT is what caused those grown men to go mental. I certainly dont blame them, them umpires and sludden should be banned from GAA, cheating shower of c*nts. They all saw it especially the 2 umpires.
That would want to be a wind-up because if not I think it's safe to put you in the same category as those delinquent "fans".
You can always depend on Sludden to make a complete and absolute cockup! He had a fair 70 minutes (for Him) but that is why so many players in club football in Tyrone are always pleased to hear he is away on intercounty duty. Yesterday after the idiot in Galway I said how low can refereeing go. Now we know. Having said that there is no excuse for assulting a ref no matter how they have fcuked you up
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
53 YRS OF HURT is what caused those grown men to go mental. I certainly dont blame them, them umpires and sludden should be banned from GAA, cheating shower of c*nts. They all saw it especially the 2 umpires.
Stupid statement no matter what the ref did it was human error he didnt deserve those thugs running at him.
There is no excuse for that on an official.
The Garda will hopefully hopefully bring charges on these men plenty of tv coverage of them.
I seen a steward lying down must have got a dig from some thug also.
Only a fool would condone such behaviour
QuoteWe can review Tomas O'Se and Galvin's incidents ... but not a county getting robbed?
And people wonder why Kerry people have been pissed off the last few weeks......
Congrats Louth on winning the the Leinster title, will the GAA have the balls to give them their deserved cup.
Simply cant believe what i just seen.
How must it feel to be a Louth man right now? I would be in floods of tears.
Quite simply the worst sucker punch i've ever seen in sport.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: stibhan on July 11, 2010, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on July 11, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
So Sheridan didnt cheat?
Did the lad who fielded the ball in the square beforehand cheat?
Players throw the ball all the time, its just a free against them, where was the refs that give a jillion frees in the NFL for not handpassing the ball correctly (WHEN THE PASS WAS PERFECT) today.
I'm not sure what your point is.
I'm afraid Croke Park have their smoking gun in terms of keeping people off the pitch, and they will use that to gloss over the real story here. The umpires have had an easy life up to now, but its time to get rid of them. Joe Sheridan on the radio they didn't even ask him did he throw the thing in.....
If Meath had any dignity they would retire from the Championship, and give the trophy to Louth.
There should be no replay, Louth should be awarded the trophy.
But of course Meath have none, bunch of low lifes in that county. The likes of Colm O'Rourke will be on the Sunday Game tonight spreading propaganda.
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 11, 2010, 03:54:08 PM
Would imagine when Meath see that, they will offer a replay, the GAA will agree, and that's how this will play out.
In fairness, ref gave Louth a lot up until that terrible decision at the end. But Louth were by a long shot the best team. Some of their supporters let them down. Right rough looking gurriers, too. It didn't look like their first time throwing a punch. The booing of free kick takers has crept into the game in a big way this year. Hope we don't see it in McHale next week.
I wonder will Des and co mention it on the Sunday game ? The CCCC are on holidays until August .
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 11, 2010, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2010, 03:47:24 PM
You could see Sheridan throw it in real-time. The ref should have seen it. Full stop. The umpires are even worse. They are standing right in line beside it. They are either blind or don't know the rules.
It was so obviously a throw it is unbelievable. The ball left his hands and never changed direction. It was also the 4th minute of the 3 minutes injury time. Carney even pointed out that it was a square ball as well. I'm not surprised Louth fans feel hard done by.
Muppet, you're getting dangerously close to condoning the scenes after the match. Of course Louth were robbed, and if right was right Meath would offer Louth a replay. *But* I will listen to no watery justifications for yobs to hit a ref. If we accept that as a rational action, then the GAA is truly fucked. If that happened in Dalymount Park, we'd all be going on about the Ultras or whatever.
I'm not condoning it at all. It was disgraceful, but you can't ignore the reason it happened either.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on July 11, 2010, 03:55:43 PM
Quite simply the worst sucker punch i've ever seen in sport.
Swiftly followed by a sucker punch to the referee
Quote from: J OGorman on July 11, 2010, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
53 YRS OF HURT is what caused those grown men to go mental. I certainly dont blame them, them umpires and sludden should be banned from GAA, cheating shower of c*nts. They all saw it especially the 2 umpires.
so your condoning a crowd of drunken pr!cks attacking a referee after a game? you're as bad as them
I can understand those grown men going mental, many would have had year and year of taking it on the chin (and mostly from their Meath neighbours). This was the chance in two life times.
Joe Sheridan on the radio now "we got the break today might not get it the next day?"
Hard to take in, that such an enthralling final turns to the other extreme in an instant, leaving everybody with an overwhelming bad feeling.
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 03:57:45 PM
Joe Sheridan on the radio now "we got the break today might not get it the next day?"
Theirry Henry got the break as well but that's not how we saw it.
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 03:56:32 PM
If Meath had any dignity they would retire from the Championship, and give the trophy to Louth.
There should be no replay, Louth should be awarded the trophy.
But of course Meath have none, bunch of low lifes in that county. The likes of Colm O'Rourke will be on the Sunday Game tonight spreading propaganda.
No need for that. Meath are one of the most honourable counties I've encountered. I wouldn't be surprised if they offered a replay. But those fans should get banned for life, and whoever decked the steward should get jail.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 11, 2010, 03:58:52 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 03:56:32 PM
If Meath had any dignity they would retire from the Championship, and give the trophy to Louth.
There should be no replay, Louth should be awarded the trophy.
But of course Meath have none, bunch of low lifes in that county. The likes of Colm O'Rourke will be on the Sunday Game tonight spreading propaganda.
No need for that. Meath are one of the most honourable counties I've encountered. I wouldn't be surprised if they offered a replay. But those fans should get banned for life, and whoever decked the steward should get jail.
az they have to offer a replay. The umpires? How could they not see it? Lifetime bans for the fans in my view and jail for some of them. But you couldn't let those officials ref at that level again.
Forget the replay, Louth are the Leinster champions, the GAA just need to officially recognise them like that. Meath should have the balls to offer to hand over the trophy.
sludden was giving the goal at the start so he obviously thought it was a legit goal!! wat te f**k did he see then??
The Gardai were well useless. As usual.
There is "getting breaks" and getting breaks, but that was beyond anything you'd see in A & E for a year!! Jesus i'd be sick, i think there has to be a replay surely? Can it be done though is the question.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:00:59 PM
Forget the replay, Louth are the Leinster champions, the GAA just need to officially recognise them like that. Meath should have the balls to offer to hand over the trophy.
Agreed.
Also, I am correct in saying the referees still choose their own umpires?
That ref was brutal in my opinion from start to finish. However, that aside those umpire were a total and utter joke. It has always been an annoyance of mine the quality of gobshite umpire some refs bring with them. I mean if you cannot see from 3 yeads what Shieridan did then you have no business being in the stadium. FFS all they had to do was ask themselves did he manage to release the ball to his leg before it crossed the line cos that is the only way it could have been a goal. I also note that the umpire did not wave his flag when the ball went into the net presumably because he had no clue. The ref told him to put up the flag. Why did the ref not consult with his other umpire, jesus even the linesman would've seen that throw.
As for those fans at the end. It was outrageous behaviour but I doubt there is anyone on this board that has not felt like thumping a ref at one point or another - but you have the restraint not to do it. But in fairness, you would need every bit of your restraint if you were robbed like that. No doubt the demon drink was on board too. There will be no replay because the GAA head men have no balls and what is right has nothing to do with it.
CCCCC send the video to the umpires and referee asking were they sure they took the correct action.
Obviously, the would say free out.
Then try getting the Delaney Cup back from Meath...
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:00:59 PM
Forget the replay, Louth are the Leinster champions, the GAA just need to officially recognise them like that. Meath should have the balls to offer to hand over the trophy.
Agreed.
Also, I am correct in saying the referees still choose their own umpires?
I know they can chose the linesmen - might be the same for umpires.
Will Colm O'Rourke be using the slow motion video to tell the CCCC what to do next on the Sunday Game tonight?
Sludden forgot the first rule of survival to 'get the feck out of Dodge', such was his devotion to writing down names into his book after the whistle was blown.
You'd think a Tyrone man would have some sense of self preservation.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 11, 2010, 04:00:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 11, 2010, 03:58:52 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 03:56:32 PM
If Meath had any dignity they would retire from the Championship, and give the trophy to Louth.
There should be no replay, Louth should be awarded the trophy.
But of course Meath have none, bunch of low lifes in that county. The likes of Colm O'Rourke will be on the Sunday Game tonight spreading propaganda.
No need for that. Meath are one of the most honourable counties I've encountered. I wouldn't be surprised if they offered a replay. But those fans should get banned for life, and whoever decked the steward should get jail.
az they have to offer a replay. The umpires? How could they not see it? Lifetime bans for the fans in my view and jail for some of them. But you couldn't let those officials ref at that level again.
I agree with all of that. Most blatant daylight robber I've ever seen I think.
Eamonn O'Brien has always struck me as a decent sort of fella. He needs to come out quickly here and offer a replay to save this situation. Obviously they can't hand the cup to Louth now (even if they did deservedly win), there'd be (another) riot.
There's been times I've felt like doing things to refs myself, but feeling like doing it and actually doing it are two different things. I's say those Louth fans are fecked - it was so clear on TV.
Surely as Sheridan was sitting on his ass with his back to the ref, ball between his legs Sludden's view was blocked, so he depended on his umpires to make the call, which is why they are fecking there! No fan of Sluddens but the blame for this lies with the senile umpires.
does any 1 have a link to incident, had game today and just hearing about it
And what about the craic in the first half when a meath player had his hand all over a louth players face on the ground and a louth player kicking a meath player in the same incident. Probably never hear any more of it.
I was at the friggin Ballina show and there was no tv to show it! >:(
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 03:57:45 PM
Joe Sheridan on the radio now "we got the break today might not get it the next day?"
Really poor from him if he said that - he's as much to blame as Sludden or the umpires in that case and should be remembered as a cheat for this.
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 03:56:32 PM
If Meath had any dignity they would retire from the Championship, and give the trophy to Louth.
There should be no replay, Louth should be awarded the trophy.
But of course Meath have none, bunch of low lifes in that county. The likes of Colm O'Rourke will be on the Sunday Game tonight spreading propaganda.
There are some clowns writing on this board. Meath didnt give the decision it was the umpires and ref. How any one can call meath cheats and claim they have no dignity is beyond me.
First Sligonian defends those thugs, i wouldnt call them Louth fans probably Dundalk ultras and now you blame Meath.
Meath have a great tradition and canniot be blamed for this apart from being involved in play and playing to the whistle
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:00:59 PM
Forget the replay, Louth are the Leinster champions, the GAA just need to officially recognise them like that. Meath should have the balls to offer to hand over the trophy.
Agreed.
Also, I am correct in saying the referees still choose their own umpires?
Yes and the one concerned is well known in gaa circles
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 11, 2010, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:00:59 PM
Forget the replay, Louth are the Leinster champions, the GAA just need to officially recognise them like that. Meath should have the balls to offer to hand over the trophy.
Agreed.
Also, I am correct in saying the referees still choose their own umpires?
I know they can chose the linesmen - might be the same for umpires.
Refs bring their own umpires, they do not bring their own linesman. The two linesmen today were intercounty refs. Marty Duffy of Sligo was one of them, a man who has reffed AI finals.
Rest assured these happenings in CP will have ramifications for the GAA as a whole.
Really hope that young steward is ok.
The rights and wrongs about the "goal" have imo paled into insignifance.
The moral of the story is that cheating wins in Gaa.
Quote from: Elias on July 11, 2010, 04:05:28 PM
Surely as Sheridan was sitting on his ass with his back to the ref, ball between his legs Sludden's view was blocked, so he depended on his umpires to make the call, which is why they are fecking there! No fan of Sluddens but the blame for this lies with the senile umpires.
I'm not sure it was the umpires that give the goal, if it was a goal they would have raised the flag.
Looked to me like Sludden ran in and told them it was goal!
Umpire was from Killyclogher.
Shocking decision but in fairness I thought the ref sided with Louth all day. Meath actually did come back well & they should've hammered that last chance to the net first time round. There's no point looking for conspiracies it was just a brutal decision, I think part of the problem is that some of these refs are having a problem keeping up with the play.
Beaten Provincial finalists are in action on Saturday 24th so the decision for a replay has to be taken immediately. No game in Croke next week unless the Dubs get a "home" game and that game would be on the Saturday so the Sunday is free.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 04:08:46 PM
Shocking decision but in fairness I thought the ref sided with Louth all day. Meath actually did come back well & they should've hammered that last chance to the net first time round. There's no point looking for conspiracies it was just a brutal decision, I think part of the problem is that some of these refs are having a problem keeping up with the play.
Louth should have had a free out before that for square ball....
I think the ref was giving the goal before he asked Umpire & if the umpire thought it was a goal he would have raise the green flag
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
The moral of the story is that cheating wins in Gaa.
In every sport.
Meath have stooped to new lows today. Sheridan has no place on a GAA field after this, Meath even robbed him from his true county.
It's all about power in this sport. Big names like Meath have power and can buy out the players and officials from other smaller counties. Time and time again we have seen this.
I doubt if more than half of the Meath players are even from Meath.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 04:08:46 PM
Shocking decision but in fairness I thought the ref sided with Louth all day. Meath actually did come back well & they should've hammered that last chance to the net first time round. There's no point looking for conspiracies it was just a brutal decision, I think part of the problem is that some of these refs are having a problem keeping up with the play.
Louth should have had a free out before that for square ball....
Are the modern umpires having problems of keeping up with play as well? :P
Even if a replay was offered(and I don't there will be one), I get the feeling Meath will be alot better and would win it fairly in another game, just my opinion. But this was Louth's day(at least it should have been), and the officials' incompetence cost them their first Leinster title in 53 years. I'm angry enough with them at the minute, I can't think how I'd feel if I was a Louth man.
I would love to see Louth actually awarded the title as some are suggesting, but just how likely is that? Not very I imagine. Dodgy decisions have went against all counties at some stage or another but the magnitude of this, and the sheer blantant nature of the mistake is very hard to take.
Meath have stooped to new lows today. Sheridan has no place on a GAA field after this, Meath even robbed him from his true county.
It's all about power in this sport. Big names like Meath have power and can buy out the players and officials from other smaller counties. Time and time again we have seen this.
I doubt if more than half of the Meath players are even from Meath.
bit harsh i think there...
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
The moral of the story is that cheating wins in Gaa.
In every sport.
Meath have stooped to new lows today. Sheridan has no place on a GAA field after this, Meath even robbed him from his true county.
It's all about power in this sport. Big names like Meath have power and can buy out the players and officials from other smaller counties. Time and time again we have seen this.
I doubt if more than half of the Meath players are even from Meath.
Good to see a total and utter hatred of Meath is still alive and well in Breffni :D
It's more than harsh, it's absolute crap, and pathetic.
Quote from: talktothehand on July 11, 2010, 03:54:38 PM
if sludden didn't see it why the f**k not??? he was the referee!! if i was a louth man i'd have found it very hard to have behaved myself. i nearly kicked the telly in ffs. spillane was shaking he was that angry. how those two c***ts of umpires contrived the decision with the ref is beyond a joke. louth worthy champions!!! well done the wee county! sludden, you have disgraced our country you tr**p!
Dont you think your going a bit overboard here calling him a tr**p?? No need for that he made a bad mistake and you call him a tr**p? Your actually nearly condoning the actions of the Louth fans who in my view should never be allowed near a GAA match for the rest of their lives and who are the real tramps in this instance.
PS Full Moon wise up and please stop posting nonsense.
Pat Spillane is correct and right - will the cccc deal with this incident based on tv coverage available? Louth were absolutely robbed. Their so called supporters have let their county down though with their post match antics. As for Meath - call them cheats if you want - it was the umpires that are to blame.
Heart breaking for Louth, Rooneys goal was good enough to win any game, Meath cant be blamed the chance was there and they took it. It all comes down to Sludden and his Umpires. Im in New York and could see it was a square ball to start, and it was obvious Sheridan threw/carried over the line, all Illegal.
Never a dull moment with Sluds! No call for the slaps, but was impressed with Sluds speed in getting the feck out of there!
Terrible decision and Louth fans must be gutted - hope Meath do the decent thing and offer a replay.
Some pikeys following Louth though..
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 11, 2010, 04:17:49 PM
Heart breaking for Louth, Rooneys goal was good enough to win any game, Meath cant be blamed the chance was there and they took it. It all comes down to Sludden and his Umpires. Im in New York and could see it was a square ball to start, and it was obvious Sheridan threw/carried over the line, all Illegal.
Never a dull moment with Sluds! No call for the slaps, but was impressed with Sluds speed in getting the feck out of there!
Sludden should bring you to his next match as umpire with eye sight like that.
Meath, their supporters and their players with the possible exception of Sheridan (mainly due to his ill advised comments on the radio) aren't the problem here and they should be left out of the argument.
Louth supporters shouldn't be part of the issue either but unfortunately if you are stupid enough to do what they did you become the issue.
None of the above should distract from the fact that Louth won today fair and square (ball) but a combination of cheating and incompetence has left them without their reward.
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
well said Juice
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Fair play to ya, hopefully most people in Meath will feel the same and the match will be replayed.
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Fair play TJ, can't imagine any Meath gael celebrating that win.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 11, 2010, 04:19:45 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 11, 2010, 04:17:49 PM
Heart breaking for Louth, Rooneys goal was good enough to win any game, Meath cant be blamed the chance was there and they took it. It all comes down to Sludden and his Umpires. Im in New York and could see it was a square ball to start, and it was obvious Sheridan threw/carried over the line, all Illegal.
Never a dull moment with Sluds! No call for the slaps, but was impressed with Sluds speed in getting the feck out of there!
Sludden should bring you to his next match as umpire with eye sight like that.
Maybe he should leave Stevie Wonder at home the next time. Doubtful if Sludden will have many more trips to Croker.
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Fair play, you can be added to the list of people in Meath that deserve any respect.
- You
- Graham Geraghty
I don't think it was even a try. He didn't get it down.
You really can't blame Meath, they kept going as you'd expect the manner of the victory is not how they would have wanted it though.
But i hope the true injustice isn't swept aside as Croke Park will try and focus on the incidents of the people getting onto the pitch. That in itself is a problem but no the main one....the referring decision begat the ugly scenes.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 11, 2010, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 11, 2010, 04:19:45 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 11, 2010, 04:17:49 PM
Heart breaking for Louth, Rooneys goal was good enough to win any game, Meath cant be blamed the chance was there and they took it. It all comes down to Sludden and his Umpires. Im in New York and could see it was a square ball to start, and it was obvious Sheridan threw/carried over the line, all Illegal.
Never a dull moment with Sluds! No call for the slaps, but was impressed with Sluds speed in getting the feck out of there!
Sludden should bring you to his next match as umpire with eye sight like that.
Maybe he should leave Stevie Wonder at home the next time. Doubtful if Sludden will have many more trips to Croker.
This is the Gaa we are talking about. He will probably win an All-Star.
Shocking scenes....hard luck on Louth but they should have had it wrapped up well before the final whistle.
I have to say the young corner forward Judge let his teammates down badly today. Such a stupid sending off which lead to Louth only having 13 on the pitch for one of Meaths last attaks (as another player was down injured).
I cant see a replay being awarded to be honest. The referee saw the incident and made his decision so I'd be surprised if it can be revisited. I think it may lead to an overhaul of the umpiring situation though as it has been a problem for as long as I can remember and something like this was an accident waiting to hapen.
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
The moral of the story is that cheating wins in Gaa.
In every sport.
Meath have stooped to new lows today. Sheridan has no place on a GAA field after this, Meath even robbed him from his true county.
It's all about power in this sport. Big names like Meath have power and can buy out the players and officials from other smaller counties. Time and time again we have seen this.
I doubt if more than half of the Meath players are even from Meath.
must be a full moon out man cause you are crazy
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 11, 2010, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Fair play to ya, hopefully most people in Meath will feel the same and the match will be replayed.
Will yous stop talking about a replay! Louth won it! They should not accept anything less than being given the title.
if the cccc can suspend players post match then awarding a replay shouldnt be a problem and as said here croke pk is available. lets do it.
Quote from: Boycey on July 11, 2010, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
The moral of the story is that cheating wins in Gaa.
In every sport.
Meath have stooped to new lows today. Sheridan has no place on a GAA field after this, Meath even robbed him from his true county.
It's all about power in this sport. Big names like Meath have power and can buy out the players and officials from other smaller counties. Time and time again we have seen this.
I doubt if more than half of the Meath players are even from Meath.
You sir are an idiot...
+1
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Well said Juice. I think Meath will offer a replay tonight, and if a replay is offered the CCCC or the ref's report doesn't come into it. Meath have to, really. They get another gate, will be favorites again for the replay and it's not like either of them will be knocked out of the Championship either. But if they don't offer the replay it will do the county's name some serious damage.
There were always tough men in Meath but they were as fair as they were hard and by Christ, they very hard indeed. I think they'll offer the replay. I really do.
Days like today, make you realise that there are still amateur parts to the Association.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on July 11, 2010, 04:25:55 PM
I don't think it was even a try. He didn't get it down.
:D
Brilliant.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 04:28:22 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 11, 2010, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
The moral of the story is that cheating wins in Gaa.
In every sport.
Meath have stooped to new lows today. Sheridan has no place on a GAA field after this, Meath even robbed him from his true county.
It's all about power in this sport. Big names like Meath have power and can buy out the players and officials from other smaller counties. Time and time again we have seen this.
I doubt if more than half of the Meath players are even from Meath.
You sir are an idiot...
+1
Mayo man trying to keep "them" in power. No suprise the big cheeses in Mayo and Meath sticking up for each other.
O'Mahoney can represent Meath, he has nothing to work with in Mayo..
Sheridan swung his leg at the ball (albeit he missed) so there is a possibility this, combined with players obscuring his view, caused Sludden to give a goal by mistake. His umpires however have no excuse whatsoever. They have let him down big time. How they can fail to spot the ball being thrown across the line is scandalous.
All that being said. There is no place in the GAA for thugs abusing the ref. It is an amateur sport, refs get called all the. B@stares of the day by many who contribute nothing to the sport and receive no pay or indeed even thanks for their trouble.
Back to the game 14 wides ,missed goal chances,dropping the ball into the goalies hands we shouldnt be talking about this now game shud have been long over.Their will be no replay,every time theirs a bad decision will be calling for a replay look at the penalty wexford got yesterday you could say it cost galway the game yesterday.Human errors happen as bad as it was.
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Fair play, you can be added to the list of people in Meath that deserve any respect.
- You
- Graham Geraghty
full moon you are an idiot, move to the hogan stand chat room where there are loads of k.nobs like you. dumbfcuk
Those men who attacked the ref i can understand why they did it, none of them hit him, it was few shoves here and there. Those men were all in there 50s grown men not thugs. The pain of all those yrs and to be robbed like that.
NO ONE CAN TELL ME THE UMPIRE AND REF DIDNT SEE WHAT HAPPENED, They knew fine well it was no goal. How are ye even questioning there eye sight, it has to be the most clear cut cheating by officiials i have ever seen.. I dont blame meath but I wouldnt want win any title that way.
what did sheridan say?
I feel very sorry for louth, an awful injustice, but if it'd been the other way round i'd have been happy enough and wouldn't be calling for a replay. It's difficult, i certainly wouldn't blame sheridan (but then i thought what henry and suarez did was fair enough too) but you'd really have to question whether or not the umpires have a clue as to the rules of the game, also, i was sure i heard a whistle when the ball was going in in the first place?
Louth should have had the game long over, but it wasn't to be. Cruel, but that's why sport is so popular.
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 04:28:22 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 11, 2010, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
The moral of the story is that cheating wins in Gaa.
In every sport.
Meath have stooped to new lows today. Sheridan has no place on a GAA field after this, Meath even robbed him from his true county.
It's all about power in this sport. Big names like Meath have power and can buy out the players and officials from other smaller counties. Time and time again we have seen this.
I doubt if more than half of the Meath players are even from Meath.
You sir are an idiot...
+1
Mayo man trying to keep "them" in power. No suprise the big cheeses in Mayo and Meath sticking up for each other.
O'Mahoney can represent Meath, he has nothing to work with in Mayo..
WTF are you on?
Sligonian, I thought you'd grown out of that sort of stuff as well...and why exactly can't grown men be thugs - clearly these ones are?
Quote from: up tyrone on July 11, 2010, 04:35:08 PM
Back to the game 14 wides ,missed goal chances,dropping the ball into the goalies hands we shouldnt be talking about this now game shud have been long over.Their will be no replay,every time theirs a bad decision will be calling for a replay look at the penalty wexford got yesterday you could say it cost galway the game yesterday.Human errors happen as bad as it was.
THere's a difference between human error and sheer incompetence/cheating
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 11, 2010, 04:36:20 PM
what did sheridan say?
I feel very sorry for louth, an awful injustice, but if it'd been the other way round i'd have been happy enough and wouldn't be calling for a replay. It's difficult, i certainly wouldn't blame sheridan (but then i thought what henry and suarez did was fair enough too) but you'd really have to question whether or not the umpires have a clue as to the rules of the game, also, i was sure i heard a whistle when the ball was going in in the first place?
Louth should have had the game long over, but it wasn't to be. Cruel, but that's why sport is so popular.
Yeah, myself and the wife heard the same in 'real' time.
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Good stuff. Fair play.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 11, 2010, 04:35:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Fair play, you can be added to the list of people in Meath that deserve any respect.
- You
- Graham Geraghty
full moon you are an idiot, move to the hogan stand chat room where there are loads of k.nobs like you. dumbfcuk
I think your username says it all about you , "dog".
Does your mammy refer to you as "dog" when you sit on the couch eating crisps all day?
Anyone you may be banned after that embarrassing outburst.
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 11, 2010, 04:36:20 PM
what did sheridan say?
I feel very sorry for louth, an awful injustice, but if it'd been the other way round i'd have been happy enough and wouldn't be calling for a replay. It's difficult, i certainly wouldn't blame sheridan (but then i thought what henry and suarez did was fair enough too) but you'd really have to question whether or not the umpires have a clue as to the rules of the game, also, i was sure i heard a whistle when the ball was going in in the first place?
Louth should have had the game long over, but it wasn't to be. Cruel, but that's why sport is so popular.
He was quoted as saying something along the lines of 'we got the breaks we mightn't get them the next day'. At least Henry admitted his handball and like you I defended Henry. Sheridan's action was instinctive, he tried to get a foot to the ball but missed it. I don't blame him for the action but it would be better if he admitted it wasn't a goal.
bad day for gaa. Cant blame Meath, completely the fault of the Ref and umpires. How the umpire awarded a goal is beyond me. He was looking straight at it. There was no way he could have kicked the ball over the line. He was that far across the line when he attempted to kick the ball that his foot got caught in the back of the net
A disgrace, Louth are Leinster champions and Meath should take the cup straight up to Drogheda and hand it over.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 04:35:54 PM
Those men who attacked the ref i can understand why they did it, none of them hit him, it was few shoves here and there. Those men were all in there 50s grown men not thugs. The pain of all those yrs and to be robbed like that.
NO ONE CAN TELL ME THE UMPIRE AND REF DIDNT SEE WHAT HAPPENED, They knew fine well it was no goal. How are ye even questioning there eye sight, it has to be the most clear cut cheating by officiials i have ever seen.. I dont blame meath but I wouldnt want win any title that way.
defending the indefencible. they are thugs, and will hopefully get what they deserve. Galway fans didnt react to a very poor ref decision that cost them the game .
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 11, 2010, 04:36:20 PM
what did sheridan say?
I feel very sorry for louth, an awful injustice, but if it'd been the other way round i'd have been happy enough and wouldn't be calling for a replay. It's difficult, i certainly wouldn't blame sheridan (but then i thought what henry and suarez did was fair enough too) but you'd really have to question whether or not the umpires have a clue as to the rules of the game, also, i was sure i heard a whistle when the ball was going in in the first place?
Louth should have had the game long over, but it wasn't to be. Cruel, but that's why sport is so popular.
He was quoted as saying something along the lines of 'we got the breaks we mightn't get them the next day'. At least Henry admitted his handball and like you I defended Henry. Sheridan's action was instinctive, he tried to get a foot to the ball but missed it. I don't blame him for the action but it would be better if he admitted it wasn't a goal.
agree with that.
Full Moon, i'm not sure what is going on with you, but i think your being a bit disingenuous, people are feeling very strongly about what happened in Croke Park today, and want to discuss it properly, so maybe you should lay off the slagging for now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
To be fair to the Louth fans, they were allowed to get to the ref and fans from any other county would have done the same or worse in the same situation. They were the better team and they won the game. The ref has raised the hand of the wrong boxer. It doesn't change the real result.
In the rest of the game I thought the ref was poor.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on July 11, 2010, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 11, 2010, 04:36:20 PM
what did sheridan say?
I feel very sorry for louth, an awful injustice, but if it'd been the other way round i'd have been happy enough and wouldn't be calling for a replay. It's difficult, i certainly wouldn't blame sheridan (but then i thought what henry and suarez did was fair enough too) but you'd really have to question whether or not the umpires have a clue as to the rules of the game, also, i was sure i heard a whistle when the ball was going in in the first place?
Louth should have had the game long over, but it wasn't to be. Cruel, but that's why sport is so popular.
Yeah, myself and the wife heard the same in 'real' time.
i meant to rewind too, but turned it over to the golf for a second, so that opportunity was gone - maybe some of the louth lads will have taped it.
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 11, 2010, 04:35:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Fair play, you can be added to the list of people in Meath that deserve any respect.
- You
- Graham Geraghty
full moon you are an idiot, move to the hogan stand chat room where there are loads of k.nobs like you. dumbfcuk
I think your username says it all about you , "dog".
Does your mammy refer to you as "dog" when you sit on the couch eating crisps all day?
Anyone you may be banned after that embarrassing outburst.
if it means not reading comments from idiots like you i dont mind.Your only on here to slag of meath, well done now leave the conversation to those who know about Gaelic football. i stand by all i said and im sure others would support me in it.
hold on! the gaa is not a dictatorship! there should be fair play. if enough members kick up then a replay shouldn't be a problem, also theres £££s on offer who wouldn't want to go to the replay. this is probably the most controversial outcome of a provincial final ever
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
It's very clear the ref give the goal - he was writing it down and ran in to tell the umpires it was a goal.
Didnt even discuss it with the umpire
Quote from: snoopdog on July 11, 2010, 04:45:56 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:40:40 PM
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Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Not celebrating the win. Feel bad for louth. Bad day for officials. Bad day for the gaa. Will say more when i get home. Louth should be champions.
Fair play, you can be added to the list of people in Meath that deserve any respect.
- You
- Graham Geraghty
full moon you are an idiot, move to the hogan stand chat room where there are loads of k.nobs like you. dumbfcuk
I think your username says it all about you , "dog".
Does your mammy refer to you as "dog" when you sit on the couch eating crisps all day?
Anyone you may be banned after that embarrassing outburst.
if it means not reading comments from idiots like you i dont mind.Your only on here to slag of meath, well done now leave the conversation to those who know about Gaelic football. i stand by all i said and im sure others would support me in it.
So you admit you should be banned, well fair enough.
Go and sort out your head and grammar and then come back on and try to help people understand your opinions.
Referees appointing their own mates as umpires is an anachronism. The GAA see fit to appoint two inter-county referees as linesmen, but any Tom, Dick, or Harry can end up umpire in the most important day of the Leinster football calendar? ??? How many match changing decisions are made by linesmen?
At least two of the umpires today were too blind, stupid or meek to do their job properly. >:(
Sludden, his umpires, and the GAA as a whole are laughing stock today. :-[
Looking at the replay on youtube i is clear that the umpire on the right had a totally clear line of sight to the incident. He was not even consulted by the ref. And looking at it again. If the ref was on the 45 he should've seen that was thrown. Could the ref really have made a "mistake", looks like he just wanted to give the win to Meath.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
It's very clear the ref give the goal - he was writing it down and ran in to tell the umpires it was a goal.
Didnt even discuss it with the umpire
Agreed & he was more worried about booking all the louth players afterwards
Jasus fullmoon what are you taking? :o
Equally outrageous stuff from the ref today though, what's most galling from a Louth perspective is that, IMO, the umpire knew it was no goal and therefore didn't raise the green flag until the ref instructed him to. If he'd been sure the goal was legal, he'd have had the flag up right away.
Louth fans were a disgrace at full-time though, whatever the provocation.
Calling Meath cheats is a nonsense as well, the reason we have things called refs etc. is because players need policing, expecting them to not what they can get away with is just daft thinking. We'd have no need for refs if such a Corinthian spirit existed on the field in big sport.
The 'political' appointment of refs is at lasting catching up on the GAA. In the last 10days we have seen officiating of such incompetence as to defy belief. At one level FIFA are the most corrupt sporting organisation in the world - at another level we appear to have the old pals act with ref appointments - also corrupt but without the money!!
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The moral of the story is that cheating wins in Gaa.
In every sport.
Meath have stooped to new lows today. Sheridan has no place on a GAA field after this, Meath even robbed him from his true county.
It's all about power in this sport. Big names like Meath have power and can buy out the players and officials from other smaller counties. Time and time again we have seen this.
I doubt if more than half of the Meath players are even from Meath.
You sir are an idiot...
+1
Mayo man trying to keep "them" in power. No suprise the big cheeses in Mayo and Meath sticking up for each other.
O'Mahoney can represent Meath, he has nothing to work with in Mayo..
Louth is the 18'th most populated county in Ireland, Mayo is only 17'th, ya big Mayo against little Louth. If Square Kilometres won All-Irelands we would be 3'rd on the Table ::)
Didn't see you screaming when Keith Higgins got sent off V Longford. Or is it only justice for some you are interested in?
f**k me their talking about goal line technology at half time in the armagh game. WE JUST NEED f**king DECENT UMPIRES!
Good man Oisin - got it spot on! no goal line tech needed, umpires afraid to make a decision. Ref told them to put up the flag.
Peter Fitzpatrick the louth manager claimed on an interview there that the ref went in and did not consult with his umpire but instead just told him to wave his green flag. Says he talked to him in the dressing room after the match and could get no sense out of him!
A real crying shame for Louth. A disgraceful outcome on any day if the year, but especially harsh on a county aiming for championship glory for the first time in over half a century. The GAA needs to come out and show that it is an association for the minnows too as I can't help thinking if the same fate befell Tyrone, Dublin or Cork, solicitors would be on standby and HQ would deal with it differently from little Louth.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
It's very clear the ref give the goal - he was writing it down and ran in to tell the umpires it was a goal.
Didnt even discuss it with the umpire
Peter Fitzpatrick just confirmed that, Sludden told the umpires it was a goal, no consultation, unbelieveable, he also demands the CCCC take action.
If the ref wasnt so busy flashing yellows after the full time whistle he might have gotten out of dodge before the fireworks.
That Louth manager is a legend in GAA. Miracle worker. What I would give to have that man in Cavan rebuilding the mess.
Anyway he just said the referee told the umpire in front of the players to raise the flag and forget what he say.
And people say money and power plays no part in GAA?
This referee has given Meath the match. Should be in prison on accounts of fraud.
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Big Joe is over the line with the ball there and the umpire is looking straight at him. GUBU!
Absolutely disgraceful decision. Was devastated at the end, so I can't imagine how Louth people feel. If Meath hold on to the title, it's horribly tainted - i'd rather not have a title like that at all.
Having said that, those Louth fans were equally if not more disgraceful. They've really let their county down and given the GAA an opportunity to deflect some of the heat.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 04:55:11 PM
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Big Joe is over the line with the ball there and the umpire is looking straight at him. GUBU!
No goal, both cheeks of his arse have to be over the line - he has another yard to go.
is that ref a tyrone man? which club is he from?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
It's very clear the ref give the goal - he was writing it down and ran in to tell the umpires it was a goal.
Didnt even discuss it with the umpire
Yes, that is clear looking at it again - he ran in and told the umpire to raise the flag, terrible officiating. The end of Sludden's inter county career you'd have to suspect...
I hope this scandal will for once and for all make the GAA address the joke that is the refereeing of football and the idiots that oversee it. What consequences face a ref who blatantly rob a team? No sanction. The guys who shoved him about will probably get 48 weeks if they are identified. At least I can understand why they did what they did (not justifying it) but a blind man on a galloping horse could have sen Sheridan's goal was illegal.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 04:55:11 PM
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Big Joe is over the line with the ball there and the umpire is looking straight at him. GUBU!
what is the umpire thinking at this moment??
Those Louth fans who approached the ref at the end are a disgrace to their county.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 04:35:54 PM
Those men who attacked the ref i can understand why they did it, none of them hit him, it was few shoves here and there. Those men were all in there 50s grown men not thugs. The pain of all those yrs and to be robbed like that.
NO ONE CAN TELL ME THE UMPIRE AND REF DIDNT SEE WHAT HAPPENED, They knew fine well it was no goal. How are ye even questioning there eye sight, it has to be the most clear cut cheating by officiials i have ever seen.. I dont blame meath but I wouldnt want win any title that way.
I hope the Rossie lads copy and paste this into word so they have it on record ;)
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 04:55:11 PM
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Big Joe is over the line with the ball there and the umpire is looking straight at him. GUBU!
what is the umpire thinking at this moment??
How long does it take for the post to come from Navan....
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 04:55:11 PM
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Big Joe is over the line with the ball there and the umpire is looking straight at him. GUBU!
what is the umpire thinking at this moment??
Well it would seem to me now that the umpires knew it wasn't a goal but weren't even consulted so I feel now that the blame lies squarely with the ref.
Maybe the umpire should have been more forceful but when the ref runs in and tells him to raise the flag he's giving the goal what could he do.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 04:57:56 PM
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Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
It's very clear the ref give the goal - he was writing it down and ran in to tell the umpires it was a goal.
Didnt even discuss it with the umpire
Yes, that is clear looking at it again - he ran in and told the umpire to raise the flag, terrible officiating. The end of Sludden's inter county career you'd have to suspect...
i think they should end the career of him and his linesman - Duffy (not that he was obviously to blame today, but surely we can find some reason to put a stop to his rampage).
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
It's very clear the ref give the goal - he was writing it down and ran in to tell the umpires it was a goal.
Didnt even discuss it with the umpire
Yes, that is clear looking at it again - he ran in and told the umpire to raise the flag, terrible officiating. The end of Sludden's inter county career you'd have to suspect...
You have to think he's finished now if he didn't even consult with his umpires. In fairness though they should have been strong enough to tell him to cop himself on.
watched again and again. this is a scandal. never saw worse. louth ARE the champs
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 11, 2010, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
It's very clear the ref give the goal - he was writing it down and ran in to tell the umpires it was a goal.
Didnt even discuss it with the umpire
Yes, that is clear looking at it again - he ran in and told the umpire to raise the flag, terrible officiating. The end of Sludden's inter county career you'd have to suspect...
i think they should end the career of him and his linesman - Duffy (not that he was obviously to blame today, but surely we can find some reason to put a stop to his rampage).
Marty Duffy is ok i think, his brother on the other hand is not.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
53 YRS OF HURT is what caused those grown men to go mental. I certainly dont blame them, them umpires and sludden should be banned from GAA, cheating shower of c*nts. They all saw it especially the 2 umpires.
i totally agree. my blood was boiling and i have no connection to louth at all. i was screaming at the telly kill the c..t. if it was down i would be in a cell now.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:00:28 PM
Those Louth fans who approached the ref at the end are a disgrace to their county.
Just watched the youtube clips. Theres a fella with a dark blue top and jeans had 3 goes at sludden. All from behind
This is the umpire calling the ref over to tell him the goal was not legal. Ref didnt want to know that. The blame lies wholly and totally with Sludden
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/67/b5/b6/8fc07176079eb546757e49b2f1bbd6d3edda6206c4.jpg)
Quote from: charlieTully on July 11, 2010, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
53 YRS OF HURT is what caused those grown men to go mental. I certainly dont blame them, them umpires and sludden should be banned from GAA, cheating shower of c*nts. They all saw it especially the 2 umpires.
i totally agree. my blood was boiling and i have no connection to louth at all. i was screaming at the telly kill the c..t. if it was down i would be in a cell now.
Classy, yet if it was a soccer match the fans would be called hooligans for doing it
Can anyone briefly say what happened? Out of the country at the moment!
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Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:00:28 PM
Those Louth fans who approached the ref at the end are a disgrace to their county.
Just watched the youtube clips. Theres a fella with a dark blue top and jeans had 3 goes at sludden. All from behind
I thought the Garda done a very poor job of protecting him
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 11, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 11, 2010, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
It's very clear the ref give the goal - he was writing it down and ran in to tell the umpires it was a goal.
Didnt even discuss it with the umpire
Yes, that is clear looking at it again - he ran in and told the umpire to raise the flag, terrible officiating. The end of Sludden's inter county career you'd have to suspect...
i think they should end the career of him and his linesman - Duffy (not that he was obviously to blame today, but surely we can find some reason to put a stop to his rampage).
Marty Duffy is ok i think, his brother on the other hand is not.
my mistake
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:06:27 PM
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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
53 YRS OF HURT is what caused those grown men to go mental. I certainly dont blame them, them umpires and sludden should be banned from GAA, cheating shower of c*nts. They all saw it especially the 2 umpires.
i totally agree. my blood was boiling and i have no connection to louth at all. i was screaming at the telly kill the c..t. if it was down i would be in a cell now.
Classy, yet if it was a soccer match the fans would be called hooligans for doing it
Too right. They've ever right to feel angry, but they don't have the right to attack Sludden. It was disgraceful behaviour.
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Big Joe is over the line with the ball there and the umpire is looking straight at him. GUBU!
what is the umpire thinking at this moment??
"TOUCHDOWN!" ??
Quote from: supersub on July 11, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Can anyone briefly say what happened? Out of the country at the moment!
it's on youtube, link is back a page or two ago
Did either of the umpires indicate it was a goal straight away as they would if they thought it was a goal.
I don't think they did.
Quote from: supersub on July 11, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Can anyone briefly say what happened? Out of the country at the moment!
Type in louth v meath in you tube and you can see the goal incident and the interference with the referree afterwards
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
This is the umpire calling the ref over to tell him the goal was not legal. Ref didnt want to know that. The blame lies wholly and totally with Sludden
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/67/b5/b6/8fc07176079eb546757e49b2f1bbd6d3edda6206c4.jpg)
That's a great photo. Thev faces of some of the Louth fans in the background at that moment say it all.
Quote from: supersub on July 11, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Can anyone briefly say what happened? Out of the country at the moment!
1. Stephen Kenny wins ball (he was in the square)
2. Shoots for goal, brillant block, ball breaks big joe dives on it and slides over line and throws ball in
3. Ref awards goal without consulting umpires
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:51:24 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0 time to watch it again
It's very clear the ref give the goal - he was writing it down and ran in to tell the umpires it was a goal.
Didnt even discuss it with the umpire
Agreed & he was more worried about booking all the louth players afterwards
Same thing happend to Keith Higgins.
Quote from: supersub on July 11, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Can anyone briefly say what happened? Out of the country at the moment!
There is a youtube link a few pages back - its all there.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
This is the umpire calling the ref over to tell him the goal was not legal. Ref didnt want to know that. The blame lies wholly and totally with Sludden
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/67/b5/b6/8fc07176079eb546757e49b2f1bbd6d3edda6206c4.jpg)
Well that's the umpires cleared for me, they maybe should have been a bit more forceful but it's quite clear where the blame lies.
LL, I find it odd you made 3 or 4 posts now on this topic and have yet to mention the major incident but good to see you managed to get talking about soccer.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 11, 2010, 05:09:35 PM
Did either of the umpires indicate it was a goal straight away as they would if they thought it was a goal.
I don't think they did.
No they didnt.
As for the guards not protecting him, maybe they thought he deserved a slap.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
This is the umpire calling the ref over to tell him the goal was not legal. Ref didnt want to know that. The blame lies wholly and totally with Sludden
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/67/b5/b6/8fc07176079eb546757e49b2f1bbd6d3edda6206c4.jpg)
I'm not a fan of Sludden but didn't you see the match??
1. Sludden was pointed towards the umpire by several of the players
2. As a result he walked to the umpire who clearly told him it was a goal
3. Sludden walked back up the field with his hand in the air signaling a goal obviously based on the unpires communication.
Also on the replay it's clear that this umpire was the only one of the two to be facing the goal line when it happened so he has NO excuse.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2010, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 11, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Can anyone briefly say what happened? Out of the country at the moment!
1. Stephen Kenny wins ball (he was in the square)
2. Shoots for goal, brillant block, ball breaks big joe dives on it and slides over line and throws ball in
3. Ref awards goal without consulting umpires
4. Ref is attacked several times, punches thrown at him, pushed in the chest and almost knocked to the ground a few times
There will be a replay offer by Meath before tomorrow morning - mark my words
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 04:55:11 PM
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Big Joe is over the line with the ball there and the umpire is looking straight at him. GUBU!
Probably does not understand the rules and thinks the question is "is he over the line?" not "how did he get the ball over the line"
In fairness he does try and kick it over the line while on the ground, but fails to do so.
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
Quote from: supersub on July 11, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Can anyone briefly say what happened? Out of the country at the moment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0
Says it all.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 11, 2010, 05:11:17 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 11, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Can anyone briefly say what happened? Out of the country at the moment!
There is a youtube link a few pages back - its all there.
Thanks!
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Disgraceful carry on
Nally
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I'm not a fan of Sludden but didn't you see the match??
1. Sludden was pointed towards the umpire by several of the players
2. As a result he walked to the umpire who clearly told him it was a goal
3. Sludden walked back up the field with his hand in the air signaling a goal obviously based on the unpires communication.
what? you need to look at the replay and the pictures posted here. and if they're not clear enough you can take the word of the louth players who were there.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
THey're not, there's been several mentions of it - you didnt mention the ultimate incident which I find odd, what's the agenda?
Is that no13 a fan or player?
Where have those pictures come from?
Quote from: charlieTully on July 11, 2010, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 11, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
53 YRS OF HURT is what caused those grown men to go mental. I certainly dont blame them, them umpires and sludden should be banned from GAA, cheating shower of c*nts. They all saw it especially the 2 umpires.
i totally agree. my blood was boiling and i have no connection to louth at all. i was screaming at the telly kill the c..t. if it was down i would be in a cell now.
That doesn't surprise me.
None pints none at all
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
Because while a serious issue it's incidental to the injustice that Louth suffered, people will use that to try and deflect from the disgrace.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 05:13:57 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 04:55:11 PM
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Big Joe is over the line with the ball there and the umpire is looking straight at him. GUBU!
Probably does not understand the rules and thinks the question is "is he over the line?" not "how did he get the ball over the line"
In fairness he does try and kick it over the line while on the ground, but fails to do so.
I genuinely don't think he knew the difference either myself which is why he might have agreed with the ref suggesting it was a good goal
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
Nally
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I'm not a fan of Sludden but didn't you see the match??
1. Sludden was pointed towards the umpire by several of the players
2. As a result he walked to the umpire who clearly told him it was a goal
3. Sludden walked back up the field with his hand in the air signaling a goal obviously based on the unpires communication.
what? you need to look at the replay and the pictures posted here. and if they're not clear enough you can take the word of the louth players who were there.
2o seconds into this video and you will clearly see exactly what I described above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0
Louth were robberd but I blame the umpire as I stated above, sludden too, but mainly the unpire
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 05:15:34 PM
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Disgraceful carry on
Nice wee footballer that judge but seriously lacking the smarts.
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 04:55:11 PM
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Big Joe is over the line with the ball there and the umpire is looking straight at him. GUBU!
what is the umpire thinking at this moment??
Must but €50 on Spain.
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
Is that no13 a fan or player?
Where have those pictures come from?
Looks too small to be a player.
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
Is that no13 a fan or player?
Where have those pictures come from?
Pretty certain it's a "fan" rather than Colum Judge.
Photos are up on Inpho and Sportsfile
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Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
Is that no13 a fan or player?
Where have those pictures come from?
It's not Judge anyways so can only assume it's a fan
Brave fan. Lucky he didn't get one back.
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 11, 2010, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
This is the umpire calling the ref over to tell him the goal was not legal. Ref didnt want to know that. The blame lies wholly and totally with Sludden
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/67/b5/b6/8fc07176079eb546757e49b2f1bbd6d3edda6206c4.jpg)
I'm not a fan of Sludden but didn't you see the match??
1. Sludden was pointed towards the umpire by several of the players
2. As a result he walked to the umpire who clearly told him it was a goal
3. Sludden walked back up the field with his hand in the air signaling a goal obviously based on the unpires communication.
Also on the replay it's clear that this umpire was the only one of the two to be facing the goal line when it happened so he has NO excuse.
You are plain wrong. The ref walked over to the umpire and ordered him to put up the green flag.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 05:15:34 PM
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Disgraceful carry on
Well thats the offer of a replay gone, stupid idiot.
Much like the Henry handball, if the defence hadn't of ballsed up so hard, this would never have happened.
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 11, 2010, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
Nally
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I'm not a fan of Sludden but didn't you see the match??
1. Sludden was pointed towards the umpire by several of the players
2. As a result he walked to the umpire who clearly told him it was a goal
3. Sludden walked back up the field with his hand in the air signaling a goal obviously based on the unpires communication.
what? you need to look at the replay and the pictures posted here. and if they're not clear enough you can take the word of the louth players who were there.
2o seconds into this video and you will clearly see exactly what I described above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0
Louth were robberd but I blame the umpire as I stated above, sludden too, but mainly the unpire
Really? Who's doing the talking in this picture then?
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441129.jpg)
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
Is that no13 a fan or player?
Where have those pictures come from?
Is he not the lad sent off!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 05:20:39 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
Is that no13 a fan or player?
Where have those pictures come from?
Pretty certain it's a "fan" rather than Colum Judge.
Photos are up on Inpho and Sportsfile
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/1d/0c/02/879738f221cb47858102adb12442e2d457732caeee.jpg)(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/9e/eb/45/a40d6f1ef9a07aa3882319af353d301cb14db5d186.jpg)
Umpire could not have had a better view anyway. He surely saw Sheridan throw it. Should have told Sludden to wise up.
Quote from: sammymaguire on July 11, 2010, 04:57:49 PM
is that ref a tyrone man? which club is he from?
He is from the Dromore club.
I don't know lads, looking back on the video, a fan wearing 13 came on and stopped a few people getting digs at the ref, then you can see Judge rushing in to throw slaps. Plus its Judge's hairstyle, the fan wearing 13 had a shorter haircut. Maybe i'm looking into this too much though.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 05:24:59 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 11, 2010, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
Nally
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I'm not a fan of Sludden but didn't you see the match??
1. Sludden was pointed towards the umpire by several of the players
2. As a result he walked to the umpire who clearly told him it was a goal
3. Sludden walked back up the field with his hand in the air signaling a goal obviously based on the unpires communication.
what? you need to look at the replay and the pictures posted here. and if they're not clear enough you can take the word of the louth players who were there.
2o seconds into this video and you will clearly see exactly what I described above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0
Louth were robberd but I blame the umpire as I stated above, sludden too, but mainly the unpire
Really? Who's doing the talking in this picture then?
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441129.jpg)
Umpire INNOCENT.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 11, 2010, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
This is the umpire calling the ref over to tell him the goal was not legal. Ref didnt want to know that. The blame lies wholly and totally with Sludden
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/67/b5/b6/8fc07176079eb546757e49b2f1bbd6d3edda6206c4.jpg)
I'm not a fan of Sludden but didn't you see the match??
1. Sludden was pointed towards the umpire by several of the players
2. As a result he walked to the umpire who clearly told him it was a goal
3. Sludden walked back up the field with his hand in the air signaling a goal obviously based on the unpires communication.
Also on the replay it's clear that this umpire was the only one of the two to be facing the goal line when it happened so he has NO excuse.
You are plain wrong. The ref walked over to the umpire and ordered him to put up the green flag.
the louth manager has already confirmed it happened the way I (and others) seen it.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 05:25:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 11, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
Is that no13 a fan or player?
Where have those pictures come from?
Is he not the lad sent off!
No, not him. Definitely. It's a fan, who just happens to have no.13 jersey
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:26:49 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 11, 2010, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
This is the umpire calling the ref over to tell him the goal was not legal. Ref didnt want to know that. The blame lies wholly and totally with Sludden
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/67/b5/b6/8fc07176079eb546757e49b2f1bbd6d3edda6206c4.jpg)
I'm not a fan of Sludden but didn't you see the match??
1. Sludden was pointed towards the umpire by several of the players
2. As a result he walked to the umpire who clearly told him it was a goal
3. Sludden walked back up the field with his hand in the air signaling a goal obviously based on the unpires communication.
Also on the replay it's clear that this umpire was the only one of the two to be facing the goal line when it happened so he has NO excuse.
You are plain wrong. The ref walked over to the umpire and ordered him to put up the green flag.
the louth manager has already confirmed it happened the way I (and others) seen it.
This is true, the ref seemed to tell the umpire to put the flag up
Should be easy to identify the #13 with the hair do.
Gutted for Louth. Sludden should seriously consider giving up the refeering and those umpires are a complete disgrace. Certainly can't blame those Louth fans, couldn't hit him hard enough IMO.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
he deserved it. f**k your pc shite. he robbed louth. if that was a club game up here the **** would be in craigavon hospital tonight getting sewn back together.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Certainly can't blame those Louth fans, couldn't hit him hard enough IMO.
Another class act. ::)
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Gutted for Louth. Sludden should seriously consider giving up the refeering and those umpires are a complete disgrace. Certainly can't blame those Louth fans, couldn't hit him hard enough IMO.
Of course you can blame the Louth fans have you never heard of self control or self respect for that matter ?
Quote from: charlieTully on July 11, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
he deserved it. f**k your pc shite. he robbed louth. if that was a club game up here the **** would be in craigavon hospital tonight getting sewn back together.
Disgraceful.
Quote from: charlieTully on July 11, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
he deserved it. f**k your pc shite. he robbed louth. if that was a club game up here the **** would be in craigavon hospital tonight getting sewn back together.
Do you honestly believe that a referee deserves to be attacked in such circumstances?
When does it be deemed a big enough bollocks to allow 'fans' to assault the ref?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 11, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
he deserved it. f**k your pc shite. he robbed louth. if that was a club game up here the **** would be in craigavon hospital tonight getting sewn back together.
Disgraceful.
Not as bad as this though:
Quote from: stephenite on July 11, 2010, 03:34:17 PM
Umpire should be shot, that's disgraceful
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Gutted for Louth. Sludden should seriously consider giving up the refeering and those umpires are a complete disgrace. Certainly can't blame those Louth fans, couldn't hit him hard enough IMO.
read the thread fitz, the umpires didnt make the call - the ref did.
The lad in the blue jeans in these photos is going to have to do some answering to a judge I think...
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441118.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441117.jpg)
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(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441098.jpg)
Probably this bloke as well...
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441097.jpg)
I have to agree with Pints etc....watching it live the first thing I said to myself was "The ref told the umpire it was a goal....there was no consultation whatsoever." Watch closely. The umpire seems to ask Sludden and then runs back for the green flag. Complete travesty. It'll be interesting to see how the suits sort this one out!!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:31:22 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Gutted for Louth. Sludden should seriously consider giving up the refeering and those umpires are a complete disgrace. Certainly can't blame those Louth fans, couldn't hit him hard enough IMO.
Of course you can blame the Louth fans have you never heard of self control or self respect for that matter ?
You ever hear of 50 odd years without a Leinster? Any idea what sort of emotions they were going through? Louth GAA's biggest day in decades and it was ruined by absolute INEPTITUDE.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Gutted for Louth. Sludden should seriously consider giving up the refeering and those umpires are a complete disgrace. Certainly can't blame those Louth fans, couldn't hit him hard enough IMO.
read the thread fitz, the umpires didnt make the call - the ref did.
Pints, are the umpires there for decoration? Should they not know the rules? Should they not inform that puddin that it wasn't a goal?
Ye watching the hurling lads, last second goal there too.
That coward in the navy teeshirt and jeans needs a slap himself, three times he tried to hit the ref from behind and missed each time I think. After each attempt he ran away when the ref turned around only to run back when his back was turned again. What a p***k.
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Pints, are the umpires there for decoration? Should they not know the rules? Should they not inform that puddin that it wasn't a goal?
It looks like they did or at least tried to but the puddin was more interested in giving Meath the win.
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on July 11, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 11, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
he deserved it. f**k your pc shite. he robbed louth. if that was a club game up here the **** would be in craigavon hospital tonight getting sewn back together.
Disgraceful.
Not as bad as this though:
Quote from: stephenite on July 11, 2010, 03:34:17 PM
Umpire should be shot, that's disgraceful
I'm not sure - to say someone 'should be shot' can often be a turn of phrase rather than something literal - maybe stephenite could clarify(?)
The other posts seem much more sinister.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:35:09 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:31:22 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Gutted for Louth. Sludden should seriously consider giving up the refeering and those umpires are a complete disgrace. Certainly can't blame those Louth fans, couldn't hit him hard enough IMO.
Of course you can blame the Louth fans have you never heard of self control or self respect for that matter ?
You ever hear of 50 odd years without a Leinster? Any idea what sort of emotions they were going
through? Louth GAA's biggest day in decades and it was ruined by absolute INEPTITUDE. Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Gutted for Louth. Sludden should seriously consider giving up the refeering and those umpires are a complete disgrace. Certainly can't blame those Louth fans, couldn't hit him hard enough IMO.
read the thread fitz, the umpires didnt make the call - the ref did.
Pints, are the umpires there for decoration? Should they not know the rules? Should they not inform that puddin that it wasn't a goal?
50 years without a Leinster!! Laois went 68 years without one FFS! Of course I know what they were going through it doesn't excuse them though, thugs every single one of them that attacked the ref
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on July 11, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 11, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
he deserved it. f**k your pc shite. he robbed louth. if that was a club game up here the **** would be in craigavon hospital tonight getting sewn back together.
Disgraceful.
Not as bad as this though:
Quote from: stephenite on July 11, 2010, 03:34:17 PM
Umpire should be shot, that's disgraceful
If this was the All-Ireland Final it still wouldn't be justified for so called supporters to do this. If those where Dubs everyone would be saying Dirty Dubs this Dirty Dubs that.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on July 11, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 11, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Pints I find it odd posters ignoring the fans attacking the Ref.
he deserved it. f**k your pc shite. he robbed louth. if that was a club game up here the **** would be in craigavon hospital tonight getting sewn back together.
Disgraceful.
Not as bad as this though:
Quote from: stephenite on July 11, 2010, 03:34:17 PM
Umpire should be shot, that's disgraceful
If this was the All-Ireland Final it still wouldn't be justified for so called supporters to do this. If those where Dubs everyone would be saying Dirty Dubs this Dirty Dubs that.
Very true in fairness
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 05:34:32 PM
The lad in the blue jeans in these photos is going to have to do some answering to a judge I think...
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441118.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441117.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441116.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441114.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441101.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441099.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441098.jpg)
Probably this bloke as well...
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441097.jpg)
Most of those lads where wearing civi red t-shirts and a Welsh Rugby jersey, I would be surprised if this wasn't their first GAA match.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
It looks like they did or at least tried to but the puddin was more interested in giving Meath the win.
Well they didn't try too hard. From their body language I got the impression they didn't know what day it was ffs.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
50 years without a Leinster!! Laois went 68 years without one FFS!
Did Laois get robbed like that though?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 05:34:32 PM
The lad in the blue jeans in these photos is going to have to do some answering to a judge I think...
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441118.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441117.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441116.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441114.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441101.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441099.jpg)
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441098.jpg)
Probably this bloke as well...
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF609/441097.jpg)
Most of those lads where wearing civi red t-shirts and a Welsh Rugby jersey, I would be surprised if this wasn't their first GAA match.
Well it will be there last game
The boy with the navy teeshirt may have had more success if he wasnt carrying about 3 coats under his arm.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 05:41:31 PM
Most of those lads where wearing civi red t-shirts and a Welsh Rugby jersey, I would be surprised if this wasn't their first GAA match.
Maybe it was but the officials looked even less familiar with the game.
There are some serious headbangers posting comments that are a very sad reflection on GAA supporters in this thread. Those suggesting the violence at full-time was justified and indeed might preferably have been even more vicious need their heads examined, seriously.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on July 11, 2010, 05:45:51 PM
There are some serious headbangers posting comments that are a very sad reflection on GAA supporters in this thread. Those suggesting the violence at full-time was justified and indeed might preferably have been even more vicious need their heads examined, seriously.
Would really hate to be near them when their county gets a decision against them.
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 05:41:31 PM
Most of those lads where wearing civi red t-shirts and a Welsh Rugby jersey, I would be surprised if this wasn't their first GAA match.
Maybe it was but the officials looked even less familiar with the game.
I still think its the Refs fault Muppet, the linesman does not raise the green flag and appears to be instructed by the ref not listened too.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
It looks like they did or at least tried to but the puddin was more interested in giving Meath the win.
Well they didn't try too hard. From their body language I got the impression they didn't know what day it was ffs. Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
50 years without a Leinster!! Laois went 68 years without one FFS!
Did Laois get robbed like that though?
We did in 2005! Listen dude if they were Laois fans who done that today I would be highly embarressed with their behavouir which no doubt any Louth fan with a shred of self respect will be of their minority today
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/12/f0/48/24d633097d219513dcc9ded5b668e63efa0d92481b.jpg)
Notice the watch on the left wrist. Safe to assume it's not Judge.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
It looks like they did or at least tried to but the puddin was more interested in giving Meath the win.
Well they didn't try too hard. From their body language I got the impression they didn't know what day it was ffs. Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
50 years without a Leinster!! Laois went 68 years without one FFS!
Did Laois get robbed like that though?
We did in 2005! Listen dude if they were Laois fans who done that today I would be highly embarressed with their behavouir which no doubt any Louth fan with a shred of self respect will be of their minority today
Yee got enough in '03 when Alan Barry was sent-off! ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
It looks like they did or at least tried to but the puddin was more interested in giving Meath the win.
Well they didn't try too hard. From their body language I got the impression they didn't know what day it was ffs. Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
50 years without a Leinster!! Laois went 68 years without one FFS!
Did Laois get robbed like that though?
We did in 2005! Listen dude if they were Laois fans who done that today I would be highly embarressed with their behavouir which no doubt any Louth fan with a shred of self respect will be of their minority today
are you looking for work from croke park or what?
Only 35,000 in Thurles,2,000 in Galway last night and plenty of room in Crocker. Maybe fans are starting to wise up nand feel that it always appears to be the BIG teams and counties that get the decisions!!
In relation to the violence by the Louth fans, the bottom line is the ref started the riot by his ridiculous and foolish behaviour. He has a lot to answer for.
Are the umpires still just mates of the ref or are they fully trained referees.
Feck off Donnelly!!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
It looks like they did or at least tried to but the puddin was more interested in giving Meath the win.
Well they didn't try too hard. From their body language I got the impression they didn't know what day it was ffs. Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
50 years without a Leinster!! Laois went 68 years without one FFS!
Did Laois get robbed like that though?
We did in 2005! Listen dude if they were Laois fans who done that today I would be highly embarressed with their behavouir which no doubt any Louth fan with a shred of self respect will be of their minority today
Your old school headmaster would be embarrassed of you, if he were to see such shambolic SPAG.
My blood is still boiling, feel so sorry for the louth team, management and fans, my heart goes out to ye. Still stand by my comments on the fans. If the ref had not cheated them they wouldnt have to react. the ref brought it on, its called karma and i would be suprised if it ends there. When your a cheat you have to face the consequences.
No Matter what the referee done,their is no excuse for putting your hands on an official.Ive often felt like hitting a referee,but a little self control is needed,even when you lose your rag, those scumbags are in no way representative of the tens of thousands of genuine Louth fans in Croker today.
That saying,Sludden was a disgrace in his handling of that goal and should never be allowed referee another game at any level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVFN0Q3su0
someone has posted a short video on the final few minutes on you tube.
Umpire struck with a bottle according to Peter McKenna, Croke Park will run with this again. No replay going to be given even if Meath decide to give them one according to the radio now. Well done GAA again, no sense whatsoever.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
It looks like they did or at least tried to but the puddin was more interested in giving Meath the win.
Well they didn't try too hard. From their body language I got the impression they didn't know what day it was ffs. Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
50 years without a Leinster!! Laois went 68 years without one FFS!
Did Laois get robbed like that though?
We did in 2005! Listen dude if they were Laois fans who done that today I would be highly embarressed with their behavouir which no doubt any Louth fan with a shred of self respect will be of their minority today
Yeah but that was only two years after the 03 win...Slight difference! IMO what happened shouldn't have happened, but at the same time that is as big an injustice as you'll ever see on a football field.
Deja vu?
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Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 03:52:49 PM
Did we see any pictures of Sheridan and was he celebrating after the game?
Answering my own question here...at least Terry Henry managed to look a bit embarrassed.
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/0c/37/3e/18f573e98003c90277b619944740cc019deaebe263.jpg)
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 11, 2010, 05:53:59 PM
Umpire struck with a bottle according to Peter McKenna, Croke Park will run with this again. No replay going to be given even if Meath decide to give them one according to the radio now. Well done GAA again, no sense whatsoever.
someone else alluded to this earlier but when did the gaa become a dictatorship?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:55:04 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
It looks like they did or at least tried to but the puddin was more interested in giving Meath the win.
Well they didn't try too hard. From their body language I got the impression they didn't know what day it was ffs. Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
50 years without a Leinster!! Laois went 68 years without one FFS!
Did Laois get robbed like that though?
We did in 2005! Listen dude if they were Laois fans who done that today I would be highly embarressed with their behavouir which no doubt any Louth fan with a shred of self respect will be of
their minority today
Yeah but that was only two years after the 03 win...Slight difference! IMO what happened shouldn't have happened, but at the same time that is as big an injustice as you'll ever see on a football field.
I'm not denying that of course it was a injustice, just don't think the ref should have been attacked
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 11, 2010, 05:53:59 PM
Umpire struck with a bottle according to Peter McKenna, Croke Park will run with this again. No replay going to be given even if Meath decide to give them one according to the radio now. Well done GAA again, no sense whatsoever.
someone else alluded to this earlier but when did the gaa become a dictatorship?
Some time after Quinn's presidency.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 05:56:08 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 03:52:49 PM
Did we see any pictures of Sheridan and was he celebrating after the game?
Answering my own question here...at least Terry Henry managed to look a bit embarrassed.
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Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 05:55:18 PM
Deja vu?
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FFS same ref?
Aye, it does seem very unfair....The authorities will probably come out and say that the timeframe is too short the schedule is too tight to award a replay, but i can bet that to a man/woman, every single GAA person in ireland would say replay that game so Louth can have justice and we don't mind pushing every game back a week if thats what it takes for the GAA to be a fair and just organisation again.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 05:55:18 PM
Deja vu?
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Ah Maguire, bringing up bad memories there! He handled the end of that game terribly aswell, although has to be said not in the same league as todays incompetence and at least there was nobody going for him!
I can't believe, after that ending to the game, that Sludden stayed on the pitch taking names. Red rag and all that.
He seems to me the sort of fella that if a raging lion was charging at him he would give him a yellow card.
Would like to point out imo
1 Joe Sheridan did not "cheat". He made an effort to kick the ball over the line.He is blameless.
2 The Louth Players/manager did try and protect the referee from the fans that invaded the pitch. Fair play to them.
3 The soccer journos will have a field day here.
4 Also if Meath players were attacked in the aftermath then they should not offer a replay.
Sadly, we will have every media clown (with zilch knowledge of the GAA) revelling in this.
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 05:55:18 PM
Deja vu?
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(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF366/272601.jpg)
FFS same ref?
Yep, Clontibret v Crossmaglen a few years ago.
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
I can't believe, after that ending to the game, that Sludden stayed on the pitch taking names. Red rag and all that.
He seems to me the sort of fella that if a raging lion was charging at him he would give him a yellow card.
I could swear I seen him flash a yellow card towards a fan.
Sludden also made a balls up of the Crossmaglen v Ballinderry drawn Ulster Club final a few years ago.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
I can't believe, after that ending to the game, that Sludden stayed on the pitch taking names. Red rag and all that.
He seems to me the sort of fella that if a raging lion was charging at him he would give him a yellow card.
I could swear I seen him flash a yellow card towards a fan.
It should have been a straight red.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
I can't believe, after that ending to the game, that Sludden stayed on the pitch taking names. Red rag and all that.
He seems to me the sort of fella that if a raging lion was charging at him he would give him a yellow card.
I could swear I seen him flash a yellow card towards a fan.
Kind of thought that myself :-\
People in the rest of the country don't seem to be aware of the reputation this idiot has in his home county where there is general rejoicing when he is away on intercounty duty. Most players would not let him near a juvinile match he is that bad - this does not justify assault on him or anybody else bur the powers that be cannot but be aware of the havoc he causes yet conyinue to appoint him to big games!
We are entitled to an explaination from him but dobt we will get it. If I was a Louth player I would tell the GAA where to put there qualifiers - ultimately they are the ones to blame - it is now clear it was his decision and they appointed him!
Imagine trying to 'market' the GAA in Dundalk or Drogheda and the other soccer hotbeds in Co. Louth after this!
If Sludden made of bollix of club games how in the hell was he given the leinster final?
Quote from: ross4life on July 11, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
If Sludden made of bollix of club games how in the hell was he given the leinster final?
Must be a round of club games in tyrone this weekend.
What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
I can't believe, after that ending to the game, that Sludden stayed on the pitch taking names. Red rag and all that.
He seems to me the sort of fella that if a raging lion was charging at him he would give him a yellow card.
I could swear I seen him flash a yellow card towards a fan.
I saw that too.
My verdict, leaving aside the disgracefull scenes after the game as they did not influence the result whereas the ref and umpires lack of how to officiate did.
Even on live coverage a 'no goal' was the correct decision. How three officials missed this needs explanation?
Video replay only confirmed this.
Video inspection will show that Louth were they true winners of Leinster 2010. They deserve, at the very least a replay.
Finally, that clod Sluggen should never again be entrusted with an inter country game.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.
Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.
Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.
Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.
Joe Sheridan not doing himself any favours with his interview on RTE news claiming he didn't commit a foul with the goal
The ball popped up among a thicket of bodies and fell to Joe Sheridan, who smuggled the ball over the line. Eamonn O'Brien's side had won a game they scarcely deserved to.
Louth will feel hard done by, but some of the blame has to lie at their door.
However, they were guilty of kicking nine wides in the second half alone and Meath's late goal would have been nothing more than a consolation had they taken their chances. They also missed two gilt-edged goal chances in the first half.
Andy McDonnell levelled the game for the sixth time in the 61st minute. Rooney then stole in for a goal and nobody could have predicted the drama that would unfold as Louth somehow contrived to blow their big chance.
From the GAA website.......bit of a cover up there, really laying the blame on Louth aren't they?
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on July 11, 2010, 06:22:04 PM
Joe Sheridan not doing himself any favours with his interview on RTE news claiming he didn't commit a foul with the goal
Fair play to the Meath fan in the back of the car for saying Louth should have won and he wasn't happy with the result
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on July 11, 2010, 06:22:04 PM
Joe Sheridan not doing himself any favours with his interview on RTE news claiming he didn't commit a foul with the goal
Can't believe he denied throwing the ball. He must have forgotten that the match was being recorded on television cameras. And someone should tell him you can't carry the ball into the net either.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.
Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.
Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.
This is worse simply because it is quite obviously wrong. There is no debate (other than from Joe Sheridan who I just saw on the news and is going down in my estimation).
You are talking about dubious frees which sound to me to be subjective and open to interpretation. You are then at the mercy of the referee's interpretation as it should be. In this case there is no other interpretation. There isn't a single post on this thread saying it was a goal.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.
Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.
Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.
Yes, a dubious free kick can be down to any number of things and you will see it constantly in games, not just in the last minutes.
What we seen today was inexcusable complete incompetence from a referee who didn't even see fit to consult with his umpires. Had it just been the square ball alone I don't think people would have been calling for a replay because we can all accept than in every sport there will be dodgy decisions. When it's so blatant like the throwball/touchdown the incident needs to be revisited and the questions asked of the officials!
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on July 11, 2010, 06:22:04 PM
Joe Sheridan not doing himself any favours with his interview on RTE news claiming he didn't commit a foul with the goal
Is there anyway we all missed a rule change during the week? Not that that would be surprising either.
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 11, 2010, 06:22:37 PM
The ball popped up among a thicket of bodies and fell to Joe Sheridan, who smuggled the ball over the line. Eamonn O'Brien's side had won a game they scarcely deserved to.
Louth will feel hard done by, but some of the blame has to lie at their door.
However, they were guilty of kicking nine wides in the second half alone and Meath's late goal would have been nothing more than a consolation had they taken their chances. They also missed two gilt-edged goal chances in the first half.
Andy McDonnell levelled the game for the sixth time in the 61st minute. Rooney then stole in for a goal and nobody could have predicted the drama that would unfold as Louth somehow contrived to blow their big chance.
From the GAA website.......bit of a cover up there, really laying the blame on Louth aren't they?
Reminds me of FIFAs official report on the France game.
Meath fans on the radio now not covering themselves in glory either.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 05:15:34 PM
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Disgraceful carry on
Id this the same guy 13 secs into this video? Same hair-do.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html?features,2785763,2785763,flash,255
He's protecting the ref in this one.
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 11, 2010, 06:22:37 PM
The ball popped up among a thicket of bodies and fell to Joe Sheridan, who smuggled the ball over the line. Eamonn O'Brien's side had won a game they scarcely deserved to.
Louth will feel hard done by, but some of the blame has to lie at their door.
However, they were guilty of kicking nine wides in the second half alone and Meath's late goal would have been nothing more than a consolation had they taken their chances. They also missed two gilt-edged goal chances in the first half.
Andy McDonnell levelled the game for the sixth time in the 61st minute. Rooney then stole in for a goal and nobody could have predicted the drama that would unfold as Louth somehow contrived to blow their big chance.
From the GAA website.......bit of a cover up there, really laying the blame on Louth aren't they?
Lord Haw Haw couldn't write better propeganda.
THat bit from the GAA website sounds very familiar! Let me think !! Oh yes - the FIFA report on France v Ireland which somehow managed to miss a certain double handball!
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 11, 2010, 06:22:37 PM
The ball popped up among a thicket of bodies and fell to Joe Sheridan, who smuggled the ball over the line. Eamonn O'Brien's side had won a game they scarcely deserved to.
Louth will feel hard done by, but some of the blame has to lie at their door.
However, they were guilty of kicking nine wides in the second half alone and Meath's late goal would have been nothing more than a consolation had they taken their chances. They also missed two gilt-edged goal chances in the first half.
Andy McDonnell levelled the game for the sixth time in the 61st minute. Rooney then stole in for a goal and nobody could have predicted the drama that would unfold as Louth somehow contrived to blow their big chance.
From the GAA website.......bit of a cover up there, really laying the blame on Louth aren't they?
Reminds me of FIFAs official report on the France game.
Meath fans on the radio now not covering themselves in glory either.
what are they saying?
have you link or station?
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.
Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.
Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.
This is worse simply because it is quite obviously wrong. There is no debate (other than from Joe Sheridan who I just saw on the news and is going down in my estimation).
You are talking about dubious frees which sound to me to be subjective and open to interpretation. You are then at the mercy of the referee's interpretation as it should be. In this case there is no other interpretation. There isn't a single post on this thread saying it was a goal.
There have been frees that have been given that are clearly & unequivocally wrong. What you are advocating, that the game should be awarded to Louth? That's a dangerous precedent.
Ashamed to be a tyrone man tonight cos of sludden. Its a very dark day for the GAA.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.
Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.
Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.
This is worse simply because it is quite obviously wrong. There is no debate (other than from Joe Sheridan who I just saw on the news and is going down in my estimation).
You are talking about dubious frees which sound to me to be subjective and open to interpretation. You are then at the mercy of the referee's interpretation as it should be. In this case there is no other interpretation. There isn't a single post on this thread saying it was a goal.
There have been frees that have been given that are clearly & unequivocally wrong. What you are advocating, that the game should be awarded to Louth? That's a dangerous precedent.
And standing over injustice isn't?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2010, 05:15:34 PM
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Disgraceful carry on
Id this the same guy 13 secs into this video? Same hair-do.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html?features,2785763,2785763,flash,255
He's protecting the ref in this one.
Looks to be the same, same watch too.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 11, 2010, 06:22:37 PM
The ball popped up among a thicket of bodies and fell to Joe Sheridan, who smuggled the ball over the line. Eamonn O'Brien's side had won a game they scarcely deserved to.
Louth will feel hard done by, but some of the blame has to lie at their door.
However, they were guilty of kicking nine wides in the second half alone and Meath's late goal would have been nothing more than a consolation had they taken their chances. They also missed two gilt-edged goal chances in the first half.
Andy McDonnell levelled the game for the sixth time in the 61st minute. Rooney then stole in for a goal and nobody could have predicted the drama that would unfold as Louth somehow contrived to blow their big chance.
From the GAA website.......bit of a cover up there, really laying the blame on Louth aren't they?
Reminds me of FIFAs official report on the France game.
Meath fans on the radio now not covering themselves in glory either.
what are they saying?
have you link or station?
Radio 1's Take Your Point.
Which is exactly what they haven't done for 'Frank', a former Louth GAA star apparently, who has been cut off for saying what everyone else is thinking - that the ref had a shocker. Apparently you're not allowed to criticise the refs on this show. They gave Mickey Curley 10 minutes for his spin on things though (this stuff happens, people need to move on, Slugger's a good guy)...
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.
Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.
Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.
This is worse simply because it is quite obviously wrong. There is no debate (other than from Joe Sheridan who I just saw on the news and is going down in my estimation).
You are talking about dubious frees which sound to me to be subjective and open to interpretation. You are then at the mercy of the referee's interpretation as it should be. In this case there is no other interpretation. There isn't a single post on this thread saying it was a goal.
There have been frees that have been given that are clearly & unequivocally wrong. What you are advocating, that the game should be awarded to Louth? That's a dangerous precedent.
And standing over injustice isn't?
Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
I heard the Louth man on RTE 1 radio comso, it was awful the way they cut him off
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Absolutely sickened by this whole affair.
It patenly obvious that Sludden over ruled the umpire who must have knew the goal shouldn't have stood if you watch his reaction as soon as the goal is scored, never went near the green flag. I just can't understand how or why he didn't have the balls to pull Sludden on his decision to award the goal. Completely astonishing!
I feel so much for all those Louth fans not having the chance to run into the field celebrating the title that should rightly be theirs. So disappointed that the lunatics who were at Sludden and the Meath players have taken the heat away from the ref. The suits have a ready made issue to focus on as opposed to the utter imcompetence shown by Sludden.
Could the Mods, post a stickie of the up to date rules for Gaelic Football, which can be used for reference.
while the ref wasnt brilliant, he wasnt that bad - certainly wasnt patch on the ineptitude displayed last night in mullingar by yer man duffy from sligo (I think he was the ref).
Sludden missed a few frees to either side.
However we know that in football or hurling (as well as in other sports) if you dont take your chances when they come, you run the risk of being caught and losing.
Thats what happened louth today. They had enough chances - goal chances and point chances - to close out the game. They didnt take them. Meath didnt take their chances in the first half either, but overall, louth deserved a win.
Only a generous decision from meath can grant a replay.
other than that, this is life, in sport.
Just add Joe Sheridans pushover 'tyy-goal' to Thierry henri's handball.
unless meath offer a replay, theres not much to be said.
Only maybe the GAA should start looking into some kind of training/certification for umpires (if not also linesmen) - as umpires seem to be ref's cronies and are obv blind as bats/dont know the rules !
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 11, 2010, 06:40:23 PM
Absolutely sickened by this whole affair.
It patenly obvious that Sludden over ruled the umpire who must have knew the goal shouldn't have stood if you watch his reaction as soon as the goal is scored, never went near the green flag. I just can't understand how or why he didn't have the balls to pull Sludden on his decision to award the goal. Completely astonishing!
I feel so much for all those Louth fans not having the chance to run into the field celebrating the title that should rightly be theirs. So disappointed that the lunatics who were at Sludden and the Meath players have taken the heat away from the ref. The suits have a ready made issue to focus on as opposed to the utter imcompetence shown by Sludden.
I dont blame sludden , to me (in cusack stand) it looked like the umpire was insisting to the ref that it was a goal.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:35:34 PM
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Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.
Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.
Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.
This is worse simply because it is quite obviously wrong. There is no debate (other than from Joe Sheridan who I just saw on the news and is going down in my estimation).
You are talking about dubious frees which sound to me to be subjective and open to interpretation. You are then at the mercy of the referee's interpretation as it should be. In this case there is no other interpretation. There isn't a single post on this thread saying it was a goal.
There have been frees that have been given that are clearly & unequivocally wrong. What you are advocating, that the game should be awarded to Louth? That's a dangerous precedent.
And standing over injustice isn't?
Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
Explain how throwing the ball into the net is a goal. See I can play that game too.
The simple fact is that there has been a terrible injustice inflicted upon the people of Louth Gaa. You choose to argue that nothing can be done because it isn't in the rules. Video evidence is already used to punish events missed by referees and I think it should be done here as well.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 06:40:55 PM
However we know that in football or hurling (as well as in other sports) if you dont take your chances when they come, you run the risk of being caught and losing.
Thats what happened louth today. They had enough chances - goal chances and point chances - to close out the game. They didnt take them.
That's all irrelevant.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Correct but where's the rule to change a result?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 06:42:00 PM
I dont blame sludden , to me (in cusack stand) it looked like the umpire was insisting to the ref that it was a goal.
From the Cusack stand or several close-up TV angles... which do you think might be more reliable?
LB look at the YouTube links a few pages back, it's clear that Sludden instructed him to wave the flag that hadn't been raised until that point. Plus Peter Fitzpatrick confirmed that it was Sludden who made the call.
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 11, 2010, 05:34:57 PM
I have to agree with Pints etc....watching it live the first thing I said to myself was "The ref told the umpire it was a goal....there was no consultation whatsoever." Watch closely. The umpire seems to ask Sludden and then runs back for the green flag. Complete travesty. It'll be interesting to see how the suits sort this one out!!
Yeah, I noticed that too; the umpire made no move to wave the green flag until the ref spoke, very briefly, to him. Also, given the circumstances, I would have expected the ref to double check with the other umpire.
But I feel the question of the "goal" being legal or not shouldn't have come into the picture. There was a blatant square ball incident in the lead up and the ref should have awarded a free out for this. I'm not saying Sludden was working to any hidden agenda or anything like that but he was quite clearly at fault in not spotting the square ball offence.
GAA President refers to CCCC and doesn't rule out replay
Cooney didn't rule out a replay. The CCCC will review the ref's report - it appears they normally just adopt it, but it sounded like there was scope to reject it.
Can't accept Lynchboys agument in this instant. They were not caught - they were cheated out of it by totally incompetent and pigheaded (not consulting the Umpires) refereeing!
The GAA have it in their hands to make sure this clown is not allowed wreck another game and disillusion a whole generation of young supporters in another county.
They could also apologise to Louth for the manner in which they were treated by a ref who refused to consult those nearest the action.
If I were that umpire I know what I would be telling Sludden!
Lads go easy on Sludden, could have been a genuine mistake. Think hes a regular poster on the tyrone thread aswell :-X
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Correct but where's the rule to change a result?
I detest straw man arguments.
Louth were cheated.
Quote from: Boycey on July 11, 2010, 05:28:25 PM
Willing to be shot down on this but here goes....
I've umpired for a friend of my fairly regularly over the last 20 year period (up to county final level) and there used to be a time when we were instructed to call square balls and the like but in recent years he's said that all decisions like that are to be left to him. As such our role is to decide whether the ball has entered the net or gone over the bar and its his role to decide whether it was legal or not.
The point I'm making is that perhaps there has been a directive from the GAA reducing the role/influence of umpires???
Probably not so much a directive as clarifying the rules as laid out in the Official Guide:
2.1 POWERS OF UMPIRES
The umpires shall decide if a score is made, or
if the ball has crossed the endline for a wide,
or for a 45m or 65m free, subject to Rule 1.1
(v) above.
2.2 DUTIES OF UMPIRES
(i) The umpires shall signal their decisions as
follows:
(a) A 45m free in Football or a 65m free in
Hurling by raising an arm upright, and then
pointing directly infield, at the place where
the ball passed over the endline.
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(b) A wide by crossing both arms above the
head.
(c) A score by raising a green flag for a goal
or a white flag for a point, in front of the
scoring space.
(d) A decision to disallow a score by crossing
the flags at the centre of the scoring
space.
(ii) The umpires shall bring to the notice of
the referee, during a break in play, any
instances of foul play in particular, rough or
dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or
unauthorised incursions onto the field of play,
which have not been noticed by the Referee.I think from the "A decision" bit included in part (d) but not in (a)-(c), it is clear that you have been advised correctly. i.e. regarding possibly "illegal" scores, the umpire's role is limited to
communicating the referee's decision via the crossed flags. i.e. umpires can flag (as in "wave"!) their own decision on whether there has been "a score", but not their own view on the legitimacy of how a score came to be. They can, and should, of course, call the referee's attention to possible infringements and should in turn be consulted by the referee if there are any doubts:
1.1 POWERS OF THE REFEREE
...
The referee shall have the following powers:
...
(iii) To consult with the umpires and/or linesmen
concerning infringements of the Playing Rules,
in particular rough or dangerous play, striking,
hitting or kicking. The referee may apply the
appropriate rule following such consultations.
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(v) To over-rule a decision of a linesman or
umpire(s).It didn't look to me like Sludden wanted to, or did, consult. If so, maybe the umpire is off the hook?
Did Sludden think it would make him look weak? ...better that than an authoritive, arrogant idiot ??? For me, his failure to consult both umpires was the most damning bit.
However, for the avoidance of doubt, the physical attacks (and attempts) on him were shameful and have no place in a civilised society, nevermind the GAA. Shame on those who have said otherwise.
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Absolutely sickened by this whole affair.
It patenly obvious that Sludden over ruled the umpire who must have knew the goal shouldn't have stood if you watch his reaction as soon as the goal is scored, never went near the green flag. I just can't understand how or why he didn't have the balls to pull Sludden on his decision to award the goal. Completely astonishing!
I feel so much for all those Louth fans not having the chance to run into the field celebrating the title that should rightly be theirs. So disappointed that the lunatics who were at Sludden and the Meath players have taken the heat away from the ref. The suits have a ready made issue to focus on as opposed to the utter imcompetence shown by Sludden.
I dont blame sludden , to me (in cusack stand) it looked like the umpire was insisting to the ref that it was a goal.
Well if you read the thread, you would see the evidence is categoric that it was Sludden who made the decision and directed the umpire to raise the green flag.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 06:40:55 PM
However we know that in football or hurling (as well as in other sports) if you dont take your chances when they come, you run the risk of being caught and losing.
Thats what happened louth today. They had enough chances - goal chances and point chances - to close out the game. They didnt take them.
That's all irrelevant.
if thats what you think then its fairly obv you know feck all about football or havent obv played it
its the fundamental part and parcel of gaelic games and sports in general.
you dont always get the rub of the green or the refereeing decisions - you take whatever you get.
Not all games have tv coverage or have the chance of demanding a replay based on empathy, sympathy or embarrasment.
there are no rulings as yet for tv replay post adjudication.
one thing that from under 10's up you are told, is that the ref could be agains tyou so you got to go out and play your best and take your scores and win the game in spite os the other team and ref may put in your way.
Louth had the chances to make that last goal debacle irrelvent. they didnt.
Many players and teams have been in the same position, and while they (some of my own games as player and manager included) were lost and we felt cheated - we know we had our destiny in our own hands and therefore could only blame ourselves.
If you cant accept that, then you dont know sport.
fairly obv from reading your stuff on the board in the past I dont expect you to understand
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 06:42:00 PM
I dont blame sludden , to me (in cusack stand) it looked like the umpire was insisting to the ref that it was a goal.
From the Cusack stand or several close-up TV angles... which do you think might be more reliable?
not saying I am right, but thats what I saw just from body language.
If I am wrong, no big deal.
as per post above, this goal decision should have been irrelevant anyhow!
I certainly wasn't bitching with pints I actually agreed with nearly everything he posted ???
Quote from: zoyler on July 11, 2010, 06:53:01 PM
Can't accept Lynchboys agument in this instant. They were not caught - they were cheated out of it by totally incompetent and pigheaded (not consulting the Umpires) refereeing!
The GAA have it in their hands to make sure this clown is not allowed wreck another game and disillusion a whole generation of young supporters in another county.
They could also apologise to Louth for the manner in which they were treated by a ref who refused to consult those nearest the action.
If I were that umpire I know what I would be telling Sludden!
yes they were cheated in that goal decision, but that was just
one decision. they missed handfuls of goal/point chances before that.
I was gutted for Louth today.
Thankfully I was on the Hill, so didn't realise didn't realise the magnitude of the error until I'd long left Croke Park.
Pity Louth missed a few scorable frees and lost the heads when trying to close out the game. It wouldn't have come down to the fickleness of officialdom.
I think we have definitely reached the stage where the playing field is a sacred area for players and officials only.
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Quote from: zoyler on July 11, 2010, 06:53:01 PM
Can't accept Lynchboys agument in this instant. They were not caught - they were cheated out of it by totally incompetent and pigheaded (not consulting the Umpires) refereeing!
The GAA have it in their hands to make sure this clown is not allowed wreck another game and disillusion a whole generation of young supporters in another county.
They could also apologise to Louth for the manner in which they were treated by a ref who refused to consult those nearest the action.
If I were that umpire I know what I would be telling Sludden!
yes they were cheated in that goal decision, but that was just one decision. they missed handfuls of goal chances before that.
The point here is that you are using this argument to absolve the referee, officials, Gaa or whoever from being responsible for their incompetence. What happened earlier in the game is irrelevant in this context. Nothing that Louth did or didn't do earlier changes the fact that they have officially lost a game to a goal that was never scored.
Thierry Sheridan
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 06:40:55 PM
However we know that in football or hurling (as well as in other sports) if you dont take your chances when they come, you run the risk of being caught and losing.
Thats what happened louth today. They had enough chances - goal chances and point chances - to close out the game. They didnt take them.
That's all irrelevant.
if thats what you think then its fairly obv you know feck all about football or havent obv played it
its the fundamental part and parcel of gaelic games and sports in general.
you dont always get the rub of the green or the refereeing decisions - you take whatever you get.
Not all games have tv coverage or have the chance of demanding a replay based on empathy, sympathy or embarrasment.
there are no rulings as yet for tv replay post adjudication.
one thing that from under 10's up you are told, is that the ref could be agains tyou so you got to go out and play your best and take your scores and win the game in spite os the other team and ref may put in your way.
Louth had the chances to make that last goal debacle irrelvent. they didnt.
Many players and teams have been in the same position, and while they (some of my own games as player and manager included) were lost and we felt cheated - we know we had our destiny in our own hands and therefore could only blame ourselves.
If you cant accept that, then you dont know sport.
fairly obv from reading your stuff on the board in the past I dont expect you to understand
Hang on a second LB, this wasn't about a few bad decisions that we all argue about, though he made plenty of them too, this was a game defining decision that the officials messed up. This was a monumental c**k up and there is no excuse for it, unlike many poor decisions made in real time, this was one where the ref could of and should of spoken to his umpires about. The decision today was as bad as has ever been made in GAA history because;
A. The ref gave the goal without knowing what had happened (if he did he couldn't have given it)
B. He didn't consult with his umpires, even after one of them called him into the goal to discuss something.
C. He admitted he shouldn't have given the goal but should have instead given a penalty (though even that would have been wrong IMO)
D. there were at least 3 if not four fouls in that passage of play and he and his umpires failed to call any of them.
We all know that calls can go against you in a game but we should be able to rely on the officials getting the basic and blatantly obvious ones right.
I don't know what criterion is set for refs before they can ref at IC level but it is clear that teh bar is set very low and this isn't acceptable.
MidLouth - CYPM - hopefully that'll cheer you up slightly
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C. He admitted he shouldn't have given the goal but should have instead given a penalty (though even that would have been wrong IMO)
I dont know how he'd give a penalty, it would be a free out for Sheridan charging if anything!
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Quote from: zoyler on July 11, 2010, 06:53:01 PM
Can't accept Lynchboys agument in this instant. They were not caught - they were cheated out of it by totally incompetent and pigheaded (not consulting the Umpires) refereeing!
The GAA have it in their hands to make sure this clown is not allowed wreck another game and disillusion a whole generation of young supporters in another county.
They could also apologise to Louth for the manner in which they were treated by a ref who refused to consult those nearest the action.
If I were that umpire I know what I would be telling Sludden!
yes they were cheated in that goal decision, but that was just one decision. they missed handfuls of goal chances before that.
The point here is that you are using this argument to absolve the referee, officials, Gaa or whoever from being responsible for their incompetence. What happened earlier in the game is irrelevant in this context. Nothing that Louth did or didn't do earlier changes the fact that they have officially lost a game to a goal that was never scored.
maybe, apart from the fact that the same ref was like santa claus most of the game towards the louth side and was very harsh on meath. Meath were harder done by over the course of the game imo. Could argue that by his dreadful decision, sludden evened up for his prev one sidedness !
while what I am saying is hard to take when such a blatantly wrong decision is fresh in your minds, the truth is that this is part and parcel of our games all season long, and while we have to accept it in junior, intermediate and senior club games, the reality is that we constantly complain about refs almost every championship match.
So we need to build in the mentality to carry this additional problem in each game.
Until we find some methodology to rectify our officiation problems (second ref, properly trained umpires, video evidence etc) we will continue to have refereeing fiascos like duffy at westmeath v Derry last night and sluddens one massive mistake at todays game.
this isnt a new phenomenon, senior teams I had played on discussed incorporating for a referees biasedness into the gameplan.
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C. He admitted he shouldn't have given the goal but should have instead given a penalty (though even that would have been wrong IMO)
I dont know how he'd give a penalty, it would be a free out for Sheridan charging if anything!
Time was up, as evidenced by his blowing of full time immediately after the kick out. It would have been some craic if he had given the penalty and then blew full time as the ball was on its way to the net.
No replay will be offered. Not going to happen from what I'm hearing.
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 07:30:15 PM
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 06:40:55 PM
However we know that in football or hurling (as well as in other sports) if you dont take your chances when they come, you run the risk of being caught and losing.
Thats what happened louth today. They had enough chances - goal chances and point chances - to close out the game. They didnt take them.
That's all irrelevant.
if thats what you think then its fairly obv you know feck all about football or havent obv played it
its the fundamental part and parcel of gaelic games and sports in general.
you dont always get the rub of the green or the refereeing decisions - you take whatever you get.
Not all games have tv coverage or have the chance of demanding a replay based on empathy, sympathy or embarrasment.
there are no rulings as yet for tv replay post adjudication.
one thing that from under 10's up you are told, is that the ref could be agains tyou so you got to go out and play your best and take your scores and win the game in spite os the other team and ref may put in your way.
Louth had the chances to make that last goal debacle irrelvent. they didnt.
Many players and teams have been in the same position, and while they (some of my own games as player and manager included) were lost and we felt cheated - we know we had our destiny in our own hands and therefore could only blame ourselves.
If you cant accept that, then you dont know sport.
fairly obv from reading your stuff on the board in the past I dont expect you to understand
Hang on a second LB, this wasn't about a few bad decisions that we all argue about, though he made plenty of them too, this was a game defining decision that the officials messed up. This was a monumental c**k up and there is no excuse for it, unlike many poor decisions made in real time, this was one where the ref could of and should of spoken to his umpires about. The decision today was as bad as has ever been made in GAA history because;
A. The ref gave the goal without knowing what had happened (if he did he couldn't have given it)
B. He didn't consult with his umpires, even after one of them called him into the goal to discuss something.
C. He admitted he shouldn't have given the goal but should have instead given a penalty (though even that would have been wrong IMO)
D. there were at least 3 if not four fouls in that passage of play and he and his umpires failed to call any of them.
We all know that calls can go against you in a game but we should be able to rely on the officials getting the basic and blatantly obvious ones right.
I don't know what criterion is set for refs before they can ref at IC level but it is clear that teh bar is set very low and this isn't acceptable.
id agree that officiation is dreadful. todays game wasnt as bad as I have seen in a lot of other games this season, it wasnt even the worst this weekend!
eg Derry didnt deserve to have diver sent off yesterday, but they had built up enough of a cushion to fall over the final whistle as winners.
that second yellow and subsequent red card could have cost Derry their place in the next round.
Louth were denied a leinster champo
ionship.
Next day out if a replay is awarded, I'd expect meath to tank them.
Truth is Dublin are kicking themselves for not being leinster champions right now as they are still by far the best in leinster.
imo
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Correct but where's the rule to change a result?
I detest straw man arguments.
Louth were cheated.
Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 11, 2010, 07:50:00 PM
No replay will be offered. Not going to happen from what I'm hearing.
That's not what I'm hearing Indy
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Correct but where's the rule to change a result?
I detest straw man arguments.
Louth were cheated.
Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.
You have (indirectly) been advocating doing nothing to resolve it.
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Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 06:40:55 PM
However we know that in football or hurling (as well as in other sports) if you dont take your chances when they come, you run the risk of being caught and losing.
Thats what happened louth today. They had enough chances - goal chances and point chances - to close out the game. They didnt take them.
That's all irrelevant.
if thats what you think then its fairly obv you know feck all about football or havent obv played it
Yes, you're right, I know feck all and have never played it. ::)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 07:30:15 PM
there are no rulings as yet for tv replay post adjudication.
On what basis do you think the CCCC have been suspending players?
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C. He admitted he shouldn't have given the goal but should have instead given a penalty (though even that would have been wrong IMO)
I dont know how he'd give a penalty, it would be a free out for Sheridan charging if anything!
Ya and he missed the Square ball, carrying the ball over the line and the throw >:(
Quote from: Hotrocks on July 11, 2010, 06:59:40 PM
Lads go easy on Sludden, could have been a genuine mistake. Think hes a regular poster on the tyrone thread aswell :-X
I hope he sees this post from me then. Sludden, you aren't fit to referee an U12 game.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html
GAA media player has interviews and a replay of tonight's take your point for those of you interested.
The Sunday game will love this loads of video to talk about . The only hopre of getting out of this mess is if Meath offer a replay . Dessie is alll excited going through his e mails and texts at the moment .How long will it be before we have any offical comment from the Gaa?
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 06:40:55 PM
However we know that in football or hurling (as well as in other sports) if you dont take your chances when they come, you run the risk of being caught and losing.
Thats what happened louth today. They had enough chances - goal chances and point chances - to close out the game. They didnt take them.
That's all irrelevant.
if thats what you think then its fairly obv you know feck all about football or havent obv played it
Yes, you're right, I know feck all and have never played it. ::)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 07:30:15 PM
there are no rulings as yet for tv replay post adjudication.
On what basis do you think the CCCC have been suspending players?
what games have they altered results etc ?
need to bring rules and regulations in for that, also if these suspended players went to the courts based on what happened a number of years ago with tipp minor captains etc - i'd be surprised if these bans didnt have to be ignored.
we need better regulation, policies and procedures to cover all these issues and problems cropping up.
we need better and proper officiation of our championship matches.
its not the first time I have mentioned this on the board. we cannot moan or whinge about these issues until we address them properly with constituted rules.
Here's me just beginning to like Meath's style of play this morning.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 11, 2010, 08:32:22 PM
Here's me just beginning to like Meath's style of play this morning.
We can hardly blame Meath for todays fiasco.
Replay has to be offered, Louth were robbed. Joe Sheridan should be ashamed of himself, every bit as bad as Thierry Henry probably worse. What were the umpires doing? Far too many officials on a gaa field and none of them taking adequate responsibility. Joe Sheridan, you sir are a disgrace, interview done on rte radio 10 mins after game, talking about how sorry he felt for Louth, what a cheating ........
What year did Laois give Carlow the replay ? Its a bit harsh the criticism of Joe Sheridan he will be enlightened after viewing tonights eddittion of the Sunday game
Quote from: Rudi on July 11, 2010, 08:42:09 PM
Replay has to be offered, Louth were robbed. Joe Sheridan should be ashamed of himself, every bit as bad as Thierry Henry probably worse. What were the umpires doing? Far too many officials on a gaa field and none of them taking adequate responsibility. Joe Sheridan, you sir are a disgrace, interview done on rte radio 10 mins after game, talking about how sorry he felt for Louth, what a cheating ........
Sheridan has his medal, that's all he cares about.
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/0c/37/3e/18f573e98003c90277b619944740cc019deaebe263.jpg)
Btw, don't think the fact that 2 Louth backs spilled the ball tamely back to Sheridan after the great block will get a mention tomorrow/tonight.
Whisper it lightly they may have made a mistake.
Quote from: johnpower on July 11, 2010, 08:47:40 PM
What year did Laois give Carlow the replay ? Its a bit harsh the criticism of Joe Sheridan he will be enlightened after viewing tonights eddittion of the Sunday game
1995
Joe Sheridan has imo nothing to be ashamed of. Don't know him from Adam, but it will be a travesty if he gets villified/slurred as a result of today's game.
Quote from: Canalman on July 11, 2010, 08:55:03 PM
Joe Sheridan has imo nothing to be ashamed of. Don't know him from Adam, but it will be a travesty if he gets villified/slurred as a result of today's game.
As big a travesty as Louth not winning today?
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Correct but where's the rule to change a result?
I detest straw man arguments.
Louth were cheated.
Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.
You have (indirectly) been advocating doing nothing to resolve it.
What's your resolution give the cup to Louth?
(http://i31.tinypic.com/9k2t12.jpg)
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You'd think by now he'd have learnt not to handle the ball!
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Correct but where's the rule to change a result?
I detest straw man arguments.
Louth were cheated.
Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.
You have (indirectly) been advocating doing nothing to resolve it.
What's your resolution give the cup to Louth?
If the game had any integrity that is what would happen.
Precedent 1989 Connacht Minor Final. Roscommon (Cake Curran) scored a goal from the penalty spot that the referee disallowed. Roscommon ignored/didn't notice that the ref had disallowed the goal and were presented with the cup.
After much back room diplomacy (Galway were looking for support in the Tony Keady affair) Galway offered a replay which Roscommon won. No bad taste left for anyone, unlike this situation.
Quote from: Canalman on July 11, 2010, 08:55:03 PM
Joe Sheridan has imo nothing to be ashamed of. Don't know him from Adam, but it will be a travesty if he gets villified/slurred as a result of today's game.
I think that's what most right-thinking people would have said in the immediate after-math. However, seeing him going up to the ref and umpire (while the Louth lads were complaining) and clearly claiming it was a proper goal, and then his after match comments, well its adding insult to injury.
Clearly I wouldnt have expected him to have the honour to tell the officials it was no goal, but keeping out of the limelight both on the pitch and afterwards would have been a better course of action.
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Quote from: Canalman on July 11, 2010, 08:55:03 PM
Joe Sheridan has imo nothing to be ashamed of. Don't know him from Adam, but it will be a travesty if he gets villified/slurred as a result of today's game.
I think that's what most right-thinking people would have said in the immediate after-math. However, seeing him going up to the ref and umpire (while the Louth lads were complaining) and clearly claiming it was a proper goal, and then his after match comments, well its adding insult to injury.
Clearly I wouldnt have expected him to have the honour to tell the officials it was no goal, but keeping out of the limelight both on the pitch and afterwards would have been a better course of action.
Agreed. I have no problem with his actions during the game but his conduct and comments since have lowered my opinion of him. He might have wised up by tomorrow though so I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Correct but where's the rule to change a result?
I detest straw man arguments.
Louth were cheated.
Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.
You have (indirectly) been advocating doing nothing to resolve it.
What's your resolution give the cup to Louth?
If the game had any integrity that is what would happen.
Precedent 1989 Connacht Minor Final. Roscommon (Cake Curran) scored a goal from the penalty spot that the referee disallowed. Roscommon ignored/didn't notice that the ref had disallowed the goal and were presented with the cup.
After much back room diplomacy (Galway were looking for support in the Tony Keady affair) Galway offered a replay which Roscommon won. No bad taste left for anyone, unlike this situation.
So the game itself lacks integrity because it has no mechanism for altering a result? You know quite well there are good reasons for not revisiting decisions that affect the outcome of a game, this is the same in most sports not just the GAA.
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Correct but where's the rule to change a result?
I detest straw man arguments.
Louth were cheated.
Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.
You have (indirectly) been advocating doing nothing to resolve it.
What's your resolution give the cup to Louth?
If the game had any integrity that is what would happen.
Precedent 1989 Connacht Minor Final. Roscommon (Cake Curran) scored a goal from the penalty spot that the referee disallowed. Roscommon ignored/didn't notice that the ref had disallowed the goal and were presented with the cup.
After much back room diplomacy (Galway were looking for support in the Tony Keady affair) Galway offered a replay which Roscommon won. No bad taste left for anyone, unlike this situation.
So the game itself lacks integrity because it has no mechanism for altering a result? You know quite well there are good reasons for not revisiting decisions that affect the outcome of a game, this is the same in most sports not just the GAA.
Another man putting words in my mouth.
The game lacks integrity because one the game was won by the awarding of a goal that never happened. I really don't care about the head in the sand 'good reasons', a terrible injustice was inflicted today.
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
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Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?
According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.
Correct but where's the rule to change a result?
I detest straw man arguments.
Louth were cheated.
Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.
You have (indirectly) been advocating doing nothing to resolve it.
What's your resolution give the cup to Louth?
If the game had any integrity that is what would happen.
Precedent 1989 Connacht Minor Final. Roscommon (Cake Curran) scored a goal from the penalty spot that the referee disallowed. Roscommon ignored/didn't notice that the ref had disallowed the goal and were presented with the cup.
After much back room diplomacy (Galway were looking for support in the Tony Keady affair) Galway offered a replay which Roscommon won. No bad taste left for anyone, unlike this situation.
So the game itself lacks integrity because it has no mechanism for altering a result? You know quite well there are good reasons for not revisiting decisions that affect the outcome of a game, this is the same in most sports not just the GAA.
Another man putting words in my mouth.
The game lacks integrity because one the game was won by the awarding of a goal that never happened. I really don't care about the head in the sand 'good reasons', a terrible injustice was inflicted today.
You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.
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Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.
Can you not just make your own point without trying to put words in my mouth?
If Meath win based on that goal then the game has no integrity. Is it so difficult for you that that is my opinion?
Not the way I envisaged us winning a Leinster title.
Felt very bad for the Louth fans around me.
Would have no problem whatsoever with a replay.
The referee rode us all day up until that decision however.
Some of the lads comparing Joe Sheridan to Thierry Henry would want to wise up.
Incidentally, it was never a square ball when Kenny caught it.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2010, 09:43:30 PM
Incidentally, it was never a square ball when Kenny caught it.
miss of the centrury Jinxy had sheridan not scored. How did Kenny miss in the first place. It wasn't a square ball on my viewing on it unless the rule includes Sheridan being in there.
However in fairness jinxy sheridan did himself no favours in the aftermath. None.
Jaysus was on my way to a match earlier on so it was hard to figure out how balant the whole throw ball thing was, only after seeing it there now and holy fook... what a disgrace.
First of those boyos clipping the ref after the game is wrong - I can understand their frustrations but not their actions
The ref was being a little bollox booking boys like mad after the final whistle, he done himself no favours.
Gping on what Peter Fitzpatrick said, can't believe that the ref ran in and told the umpires to put up the flag. Some pig headed stunt not consulting with them.
As regards Sheridan, the best thing he could have done was say nothing and don't do any interviews
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2010, 09:43:30 PM
Incidentally, it was never a square ball when Kenny caught it.
miss of the centrury Jinxy had sheridan not scored. How did Kenny miss in the first place. It wasn't a square ball on my viewing on it unless the rule includes Sheridan being in there.
Huh? ??? How can a player facing the ball the whole time, back into the square and receive the ball coming directly towards him while entering the square after the ball? Short of it being a very straight up and down kick which it wasn't...
Square ball all the way for me.
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Incidentally, it was never a square ball when Kenny caught it.
miss of the centrury Jinxy had sheridan not scored. How did Kenny miss in the first place. It wasn't a square ball on my viewing on it unless the rule includes Sheridan being in there.
Huh? ??? How can a player facing the ball the whole time, back into the square and receive the ball coming directly towards him while entering the square after the ball? Short of it being a very straight up and down kick which it wasn't...
Square ball all the way for me.
He started his run outside the square.
Some clown on ResDubs reckons Joe Sheridan should be banned for life! :D
They're all coming out of the woodwork.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Some clown on ResDubs reckons Joe Sheridan should be banned for life! :D
They're all coming out of the woodwork.
We are still at the 'disgraceful' phase.
Its isn't over until after the 'Will some one think of the children?' phase and I haven't seen that yet.
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Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.
Can you not just make your own point without trying to put words in my mouth?
If Meath win based on that goal then the game has no integrity. Is it so difficult for you that that is my opinion?
Exactly how I am trying to put words in your mouth? I asked you what should happen now, should the cup be given to Louth, you said yes. So where's the mechanism for doing this or are you just content to keep moralising about integrity.
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Quote from: Mac2 on July 11, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.
Can you not just make your own point without trying to put words in my mouth?
If Meath win based on that goal then the game has no integrity. Is it so difficult for you that that is my opinion?
Exactly how I am trying to put words in your mouth? I asked you what should happen now, should the cup be given to Louth, you said yes. So where's the mechanism for doing this or are you just content to keep moralising about integrity.
The referee's report decides everything, he can amend it to say that he incorrectly awarded a goal and Louth should be deemed winners, simple as that
Rule 6.41, Official Guide - Award/Facts of Game
The Award of a Game rests with the Committee or Council-in-Charge acting on the Referee's Report.
Rule 7.3(aa)(1)(vi)
A Referee's Report, including any Clarification thereto, shall be presumed to be correct in all factual matters and may only be rebutted where unedited video or other compelling evidence contradicts it.
15/8 for a replay on Paddy Power - 4/11 against.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Some clown on ResDubs reckons Joe Sheridan should be banned for life! :D
They're all coming out of the woodwork.
We are still at the 'disgraceful' phase.
Its isn't over until after the 'Will some one think of the children?' phase and I haven't seen that yet.
Just wait for Liveline tomorrow.
IMO natural justice demands that the title should be awarded to Louth. How can it be done?. I am not sure of the procedure, but surely the referee's report is a major issue in trying to sort this mess. How can the ref. maintain that Meath scored a legitimate goal to-day. If he is to retain any little credibility he has to admit in his report that a goal was not scored. The only question that can arise then is should there be a replay or should the title be awarded to Louth. IMO Louth should certainly be awarded the title. It is the only fair outcome. No team wants to win a Championship in the boardroom, but it has happened from time to time over the years and it is also true that no team wants to win a Championship in the manner in which Meath won today. The attacks on the referee are a different issue. They were completely out of order, but can not have any impact on the decision of the Leinster Council. That is my take on this sorry episode.
This is going beyond rediculous but it's only day one so it's somewhat expected. The result should stand. For some reason the Country is expected to have a heart for a louth team that haven't won a Leinster title in over 50 years. I think if this game had have been against the dubs who would have been going for six in a row the result would stand (which would be right). Louth desreve no special treatment. I fully understand their heartache but not winning a title in 50 years should put no burden on the GAA or the Ref.
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You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.
Can you not just make your own point without trying to put words in my mouth?
If Meath win based on that goal then the game has no integrity. Is it so difficult for you that that is my opinion?
Exactly how I am trying to put words in your mouth? I asked you what should happen now, should the cup be given to Louth, you said yes. So where's the mechanism for doing this or are you just content to keep moralising about integrity.
'You don't care about reasons' is putting words in my mouth. I never said that.
There are lots of precedents as I and others have already pointed out.
Soccer has done nothing to address its integrity issues and we have ended up with the diving and rolling around that we all hate. Rugby has at least tried to address its integrity issues and the Gaa would be wise to follow suit.
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You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.
Can you not just make your own point without trying to put words in my mouth?
If Meath win based on that goal then the game has no integrity. Is it so difficult for you that that is my opinion?
Exactly how I am trying to put words in your mouth? I asked you what should happen now, should the cup be given to Louth, you said yes. So where's the mechanism for doing this or are you just content to keep moralising about integrity.
'You don't care about reasons' is putting words in my mouth. I never said that.
There are lots of precedents as I and others have already pointed out.
Soccer has done nothing to address its integrity issues and we have ended up with the diving and rolling around that we all hate. Rugby has at least tried to address its integrity issues and the Gaa would be wise to follow suit.
Muppet enought already it's time to watch the Sunday Game
QuoteSome of the lads comparing Joe Sheridan to Thierry Henry would want to wise up.
Whats the difference?
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QuoteSome of the lads comparing Joe Sheridan to Thierry Henry would want to wise up.
Whats the difference?
Henry had the decency to admit he cheated and to act embarrassed.
if he'd awarded a penalty as he seems to think he would have, surely they'd have taken the point?
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You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.
Can you not just make your own point without trying to put words in my mouth?
If Meath win based on that goal then the game has no integrity. Is it so difficult for you that that is my opinion?
Exactly how I am trying to put words in your mouth? I asked you what should happen now, should the cup be given to Louth, you said yes. So where's the mechanism for doing this or are you just content to keep moralising about integrity.
'You don't care about reasons' is putting words in my mouth. I never said that.
There are lots of precedents as I and others have already pointed out.
Soccer has done nothing to address its integrity issues and we have ended up with the diving and rolling around that we all hate. Rugby has at least tried to address its integrity issues and the Gaa would be wise to follow suit.
Muppet enought already it's time to watch the Sunday Game
Speak for yourself.
the Louth no.10 should not have tackled the full back in the small square to let Joe Sheridan get the ball :-\
Definitely wasn't a square ball anyway.
Quote from: sammymaguire on July 11, 2010, 11:10:11 PM
the Louth no.10 should not have tackled the full back in the small square to let Joe Sheridan get the ball :-\
I thought exactly the same thing at the time.
QuoteHenry had the decency to admit he cheated and to act embarrassed.
Exactly, Just saw Sheridan smirking at a Louth player after the incident. Not so sure theres any place for that in the game either.
the most obvious square ball i've seen in a long time, sheridan backed into the square - it doesn't matter that he didn't end up with the ball, man in square before ball is square ball afaik.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 11, 2010, 11:10:41 PM
Definitely wasn't a square ball anyway.
That's what I thought. Spillane needs to have a look at his own wrong decisions before he starts on others.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Some clown on ResDubs reckons Joe Sheridan should be banned for life! :D
They're all coming out of the woodwork.
Jinxy how can you celebrate that. I'd have refused to get the cup if I was Crawford. I wonder would Flynn, O Rourke and Co would have done. There is no celebration in that. Sheridan ought to be ashamed of himself. Have the balls to say you threw it in.
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 11, 2010, 11:12:05 PM
the most obvious square ball i've seen in a long time, sheridan backed into the square - it doesn't matter that he didn't end up with the ball, man in square before ball is square ball afaik.
The whole episode is a disaster for the Gaa and exposes the farce that is the way our games are officiated.
O Rourke fudging the issue. what a pratt
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 11, 2010, 11:12:05 PM
the most obvious square ball i've seen in a long time, sheridan backed into the square - it doesn't matter that he didn't end up with the ball, man in square before ball is square ball afaik.
It wasn't. The ball was half blocked and then fumbled in the square before Sheridan arrived.
Zapatista is correct - Louth do not deserve special treatment - they deserve fair treatment - did they get it from Mr. Sludden?
Let us not forget Mr. Sludden has previous - he is a disaster waiting to happen every time he takes the field - ask the Tyrone posters and all in Ulster who have seen him at IC and Ulster Club level. Who lets him do games at this level?
QuoteI'd have refused to get the cup if I was Crawford.
He did seem a little embarrassed giving the speech
Definite square ball.
Joe dived.
Joe carried the ball over the line.
Joe then threw the ball into the net.
4 offenses all missed. Unbelievable incompetence.
Sunday game clearly highlights that this was a squre ball. Tough call to make in real time though.
The goal was not a tough call to make in real time though
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Quote from: mckieran on July 11, 2010, 11:03:25 PM
QuoteSome of the lads comparing Joe Sheridan to Thierry Henry would want to wise up.
Whats the difference?
Henry had the decency to admit he cheated and to act embarrassed.
Sheridan did act the right tool afterwards on the pitch.
He also claims he was pushed over the line.
He clearly dived over the line with the ball, nobody pushed him.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 11, 2010, 11:14:44 PM
O Rourke fudging the issue. what a pratt
At least he said it was no penalty and that it was a square ball.
Definite square ball
Sludden should hang his head in shame
Was a square ball for initial ball in, wasn't even looking at Sheridan, the lad who caught the ball wasn't in the square.
Showed a good angle of Sludden's view of the incident. How he didn't see Sheridan throw the ball into the net was a joke.
Typical Sludden, wanting to be the centre of attention after the game staying around booking players.
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Quote from: Bogball XV on July 11, 2010, 11:12:05 PM
the most obvious square ball i've seen in a long time, sheridan backed into the square - it doesn't matter that he didn't end up with the ball, man in square before ball is square ball afaik.
It wasn't. The ball was half blocked and then fumbled in the square before Sheridan arrived.
no, he was the first man in the square and there before the ball, unless he was back out of the square before the ball, which is impossible to judge given what we've seen, but it seems very unlikely.
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Technical Fouls - Rule : 4.9 For an attacking player to enter opponents'
small rectangle before the ball enters it during
play.
Well done the shameful minority of Louth 'supporters' -- you've just handed headquarters their strongest hand ever in forbidding encroachment on the pitch after games.
Can't see the Sunday game at the mo. Who was the square ball against?
Quote from: Zapatista on July 11, 2010, 11:24:30 PM
Can't see the Sunday game at the mo. Who was the square ball against?
Sheridan, not the guy who caught the initial ball.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 11, 2010, 11:24:30 PM
Can't see the Sunday game at the mo. Who was the square ball against?
sheridan
O'Rourke can barely conceal the smirk
QuoteWas a square ball for initial ball in, wasn't even looking at Sheridan, the lad who caught the ball wasn't in the square.
The square ball was agaiinst Sheridan. With the initisl ball in, he was in the square and essentially took the goalie out of it by being in the square. Clear square ball; No question about it.
Not too sure about O'Rourkes comment that Meath are innocent bystanders!
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Some clown on ResDubs reckons Joe Sheridan should be banned for life! :D
They're all coming out of the woodwork.
Jinxy how can you celebrate that. I'd have refused to get the cup if I was Crawford. I wonder would Flynn, O Rourke and Co would have done. There is no celebration in that. Sheridan ought to be ashamed of himself. Have the balls to say you threw it in.
Celebrate what?
I hope the county board meet tomorrow and offer Louth a replay.
I'm just amused at some of the hysterical reactions.
Christ, Is O'rourke for real?
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O Rourke fudging the issue. what a pratt
At least he said it was no penalty and that it was a square ball.
Can't see anyone for all the smudge from Mr O'Rourke!
Done his best to defer all the sh*te to Louth.
And the token Jesture of MOTM goes to McAuley.
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Some clown on ResDubs reckons Joe Sheridan should be banned for life! :D
They're all coming out of the woodwork.
Jinxy how can you celebrate that. I'd have refused to get the cup if I was Crawford. I wonder would Flynn, O Rourke and Co would have done. There is no celebration in that. Sheridan ought to be ashamed of himself. Have the balls to say you threw it in.
Celebrate what?
I hope the county board meet tomorrow and offer Louth a replay.
I'm just amused at some of the hysterical reactions.
Meath County Board have announced that they will meet tomorrow.
Shouldn't be up to them to offer a replay though.
Something similar happened years ago when Kerry were awarded a goal that was clearly wide (side-netting). I think they were a point up at the time though. The Kerry County Board didn't offer Tipperary a replay that time.
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 11, 2010, 11:24:30 PM
Can't see the Sunday game at the mo. Who was the square ball against?
Sheridan, not the guy who caught the initial ball.
I can't see it. From watching this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxq6SofU_38 (poor as it is).
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You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.
Can you not just make your own point without trying to put words in my mouth?
If Meath win based on that goal then the game has no integrity. Is it so difficult for you that that is my opinion?
Exactly how I am trying to put words in your mouth? I asked you what should happen now, should the cup be given to Louth, you said yes. So where's the mechanism for doing this or are you just content to keep moralising about integrity.
The referee's report decides everything, he can amend it to say that he incorrectly awarded a goal and Louth should be deemed winners, simple as that
Rule 6.41, Official Guide - Award/Facts of Game
The Award of a Game rests with the Committee or Council-in-Charge acting on the Referee's Report.
Rule 7.3(aa)(1)(vi)
A Referee's Report, including any Clarification thereto, shall be presumed to be correct in all factual matters and may only be rebutted where unedited video or other compelling evidence contradicts it.
Quite clear and correct Dinny despite what that uber gobshite McStay is currently saying. LOUTH SHOULD BE AWARDED THIS GAME. Time for the CCCC to man up and do the right thing.
Quote from: mckieran on July 11, 2010, 11:03:25 PM
Whats the difference?
The behaviour of the soccer fans?
I don't think that was near the end of the game though. It does however just highlight how long and how costly these things have been going on, yet we still get Jimmy 'the ref's' best mates as officials at some of the most important sporting occasions held in Ireland.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Some clown on ResDubs reckons Joe Sheridan should be banned for life! :D
They're all coming out of the woodwork.
Jinxy how can you celebrate that. I'd have refused to get the cup if I was Crawford. I wonder would Flynn, O Rourke and Co would have done. There is no celebration in that. Sheridan ought to be ashamed of himself. Have the balls to say you threw it in.
Celebrate what?
I hope the county board meet tomorrow and offer Louth a replay.
I'm just amused at some of the hysterical reactions.
Meath County Board have announced that they will meet tomorrow.
Shouldn't be up to them to offer a replay though.
Something similar happened years ago when Kerry were awarded a goal that was clearly wide (side-netting). I think they were a point up at the time though. The Kerry County Board didn't offer Tipperary a replay that time.
That wasn't Kerry. That was Cork. They weren't doing half the bitching about Frank Murphy then. >:(
Replay my arse !! - Meath need to fire that cup up to Dundalk in the morning - end of story!!
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2010, 11:27:32 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 11, 2010, 11:13:32 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 11, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Some clown on ResDubs reckons Joe Sheridan should be banned for life! :D
They're all coming out of the woodwork.
Jinxy how can you celebrate that. I'd have refused to get the cup if I was Crawford. I wonder would Flynn, O Rourke and Co would have done. There is no celebration in that. Sheridan ought to be ashamed of himself. Have the balls to say you threw it in.
Celebrate what?
I hope the county board meet tomorrow and offer Louth a replay.
I'm just amused at some of the hysterical reactions.
Meath County Board have announced that they will meet tomorrow.
Shouldn't be up to them to offer a replay though.
Something similar happened years ago when Kerry were awarded a goal that was clearly wide (side-netting). I think they were a point up at the time though. The Kerry County Board didn't offer Tipperary a replay that time.
all ireland minor semi of 2000, Cork bate derry by a point, cork lad booked twice and stayed on, instrumental (think it was ciaran murphy), croke park told cork to offer a replay. Frank Murphy decided it'd be better not to, result stood.
Quote from: comethekingdom on July 11, 2010, 11:35:34 PM
Replay my arse !! - Meath need to fire that cup up to Dundalk in the morning - end of story!!
Not so fast.
I've a few issues with some of the handy frees Louth were awarded.
It was Kerry alright ICC, it was against Tipp in a Munster final or semi final if memory serves. The ball hit the stanchion and came back out I think and the goal wasn't awarded.
Ridiculous to say Louth should be given the trophy a replay is the only way forward if there is to be anything done
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 11:17:51 PM
Definite square ball.
Joe dived.
Joe carried the ball over the line.
Joe then threw the ball into the net.
4 offenses all missed. Unbelievable incompetence.
Was a litany of incompetence alright. What's worse is that Sludden said it was a penalty but didn't even award it in the end. I can only imagine he had completely lost the head at that stage and didn't know whether he was coming or going.
Quote from: Zulu on July 11, 2010, 11:37:48 PM
It was Kerry alright ICC, it was against Tipp in a Munster final or semi final if memory serves. The ball hit the stanchion and came back out I think and the goal wasn't awarded.
Correct, was it Pa Laide?
QuoteI've a few issues with some of the handy frees Louth were awarded.
These type of issues happen in every game. But there was nothing quite as obvious given to Louth as that Meath goal. Its just not really possible to compare a last minte goal when you are a point down with a few handy frees awarded to Louth earlier in the game
Just been speaking to someone in the Armagh backroom who said that in the Monaghan match they noticed he rarely straed outside the middle third of the field - in other words he is not fit to keep up with play and was way behind the ball when it mattered most
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 11, 2010, 11:37:48 PM
It was Kerry alright ICC, it was against Tipp in a Munster final or semi final if memory serves. The ball hit the stanchion and came back out I think and the goal wasn't awarded.
Correct, was it Pa Laide?
Thought it was Aidan MacGerailt (An Gaeltacht club player) remember him putting his head down after it was allowed almost in shame.
Thought it might have been Pa Laide myself but I'm not sure.
Very disappointed with the after match comments by O'Brien and Sheridan shown on the Sunday Game. Complete BS from O'Rourke to say that Meath are innocent bystanders in all of this, they should have put their hands up right away and salvaged the situation, not offer Domenech style shyte in post match interviews. Their hand may be forced tomorrow, but they've already lost the opportunity to take some positive action off their own bat without being shamed into doing it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 11, 2010, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 11, 2010, 11:37:48 PM
It was Kerry alright ICC, it was against Tipp in a Munster final or semi final if memory serves. The ball hit the stanchion and came back out I think and the goal wasn't awarded.
Correct, was it Pa Laide?
Thought it was Aidan MacGerailt (An Gaeltacht club player) remember him putting his head down after it was allowed almost in shame.
It was Gerry Murphy from Rathmore
http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2005/dec/25/brawls-falls-and-a-slew-of-bad-calls/ (http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2005/dec/25/brawls-falls-and-a-slew-of-bad-calls/)
1999 MUNSTER FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP, FIRST ROUND KERRY v TIPPERARY
The Kerry goal that never was If the GAA ever produce an umpiring handbook, it would be fair to say one of the first ground rules would be: 'Don't duck when a player takes a shot'. Pretty obvious really. Or not, if you're standing in a white coat behind the goal at Austin Stack Park in Tralee for a Munster championship first round encounter between Kerry and Tipperary. Gerry Murphy's championship debut was a memorable one for one reason only . . . 'the goal that never was' in May 1999.
Eight minutes in, Maurice Fitzgerald leapt high outside the small parallelogram and cleverly broke a high ball down to Murphy. The Kerry corner-forward rushed his shot though (the umpire ducking as it sailed past) only to see it rebound off the back stanchion straight back into the same player's arms. Murphy didn't need a second invitation to find the back of the net.
Captured in vivid technicolour by the RTE cameras, then Munster Council chairman . . . a certain Kerryman called Sean Kelly . . . informed referee Michael Collins at half-time that a mistake had been made. To no avail. Trailing by 1-6 to 0-3, Tipperary quashed rumours of a noshow after the break and went down by the same margin as Kerry squandered two second half penalties. Tipperary's appeal for a replay was turned down by the Munster Council with Kelly left to apologise for what he described as "human error".
The mother of all umpiring blunders.
Yeah, that's the man alright. How many times do the GAA need these type of things to happen before they look at it. Too busy making a ham-fisted attempt to address the 'issue' of handpassing to have the time to get the basics right.
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
No sympathy for Louth after watching those scumbags. Slap it up them.
That's unfair on genuine Louth fans. By all means ban and lock up those pricks though.
What are you talking about HS, the behaviour of a few lads who probably had a few pints on them shouldn't reflect on the team. They did nothing wrong and should be celebrating a Leinster title and the actions of a few hotheads, which all counties have, has nothing to do with this.
No awarding the trophey to Louth and no replay. THe game is over and Meath won it.
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
No sympathy for Louth after watching those scumbags. Slap it up them.
4 or 5 idiots who are really pissed off should not be lumped into representing 25,000 Louth people.
It's like saying all Meath players are cheats for what sheridan did!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 12, 2010, 12:02:19 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
No sympathy for Louth after watching those scumbags. Slap it up them.
4 or 5 idiots who are really pissed off should not be lumped into representing 25,000 Louth people.
It's like saying all Meath players are cheats for what sheridan did!
True but at some point in the future I will use this goal to attack meath posters ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 12, 2010, 12:02:19 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
No sympathy for Louth after watching those scumbags. Slap it up them.
4 or 5 idiots who are really pissed off should not be lumped into representing 25,000 Louth people.
It's like saying all Meath players are cheats for what sheridan did!
I counted
6, at least. Try again ;)
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 11:52:35 PM
http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2005/dec/25/brawls-falls-and-a-slew-of-bad-calls/ (http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2005/dec/25/brawls-falls-and-a-slew-of-bad-calls/)
1999 MUNSTER FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP, FIRST ROUND KERRY v TIPPERARY
The Kerry goal that never was If the GAA ever produce an umpiring handbook, it would be fair to say one of the first ground rules would be: 'Don't duck when a player takes a shot'. Pretty obvious really. Or not, if you're standing in a white coat behind the goal at Austin Stack Park in Tralee for a Munster championship first round encounter between Kerry and Tipperary. Gerry Murphy's championship debut was a memorable one for one reason only . . . 'the goal that never was' in May 1999.
Eight minutes in, Maurice Fitzgerald leapt high outside the small parallelogram and cleverly broke a high ball down to Murphy. The Kerry corner-forward rushed his shot though (the umpire ducking as it sailed past) only to see it rebound off the back stanchion straight back into the same player's arms. Murphy didn't need a second invitation to find the back of the net.
Captured in vivid technicolour by the RTE cameras, then Munster Council chairman . . . a certain Kerryman called Sean Kelly . . . informed referee Michael Collins at half-time that a mistake had been made. To no avail. Trailing by 1-6 to 0-3, Tipperary quashed rumours of a noshow after the break and went down by the same margin as Kerry squandered two second half penalties. Tipperary's appeal for a replay was turned down by the Munster Council with Kelly left to apologise for what he described as "human error".
The mother of all umpiring blunders.
Sorry boys, hands up. I remember that game now.
I was mixing it up with a Munster Final when Tipp played Cork. Cork won it but there was speculation that they used to six subs, rather than five. Frank looked into it, discovered one was a blood sub, and there was no more said about it. Didn't realise that Tipp got hosed twice in ten years though. That's the way it goes I guess. As my father used to say, God rest him, when the bad luck is on you, it's on your dog and your cat.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
No awarding the trophey to Louth and no replay. THe game is over and Meath won it.
I agree.
Btw, Sludden may as well have had a 5 year old escorting him off. Thon Garda was a fat, useless b**tard. His job needs looked at.
Wasn't Pillar was it?
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 12:09:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
No awarding the trophey to Louth and no replay. THe game is over and Meath won it.
I agree.
Btw, Sludden may as well have had a 5 year old escorting him off. Thon Garda was a fat, useless b**tard. His job needs looked at.
Wasn't Pillar was it?
Just what I was wondering. He wasn't slow about getting stuck into John Morrison that time in 2006.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 12, 2010, 12:02:19 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
No sympathy for Louth after watching those scumbags. Slap it up them.
4 or 5 idiots who are really pissed off should not be lumped into representing 25,000 Louth people.
It's like saying all Meath players are cheats for what sheridan did!
Give the "cheats" stuff a rest would you. ::)
He rolled over the line with the ball, threw it in the general direction of his foot, swung a leg at it and missed.
Hardly the crime of the century.
Actually from looking at footage of the Louth Fans and the Referee, most of it is hand-bags stuff! Mis-timed shoulders, finger waving, fist waving and pushing. All part of the Manliness of our games! :P
No worse than Pllar on Morrison before the Mayo / Dublin Match 2006.
QuoteBtw, Sludden may as well have had a 5 year old escorting him off. Thon Garda was a fat, useless b**tard. His job needs looked at.
There was very poor protection for the ref. But in fairness to that guard, he was the wuickest one there; Where were his colleagues? Fans were running from all sides at the ref and it wasnt easy for the guard. There should have been 4 or 5 guards protecting theref, not just 1
QuoteWhere were his colleagues?
Down in Oxygen getting serious O/T.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2010, 12:13:44 AM
QuoteWhere were his colleagues?
Down in Oxygen getting serious O/T.
A couple of the feckers have been following me about this half hour to and from the job. THey might pull me in some day.
QuoteGive the "cheats" stuff a rest would you.
He rolled over the line with the ball, threw it in the general direction of his foot, swung a leg at it and missed.
Hardly the crime of the century.
He also spoke to the referee and umpire afterwards. I can only assume he was claiming it was a legitimate goal.
His smiling at the end when the Louth players were clearly upset didnt exactly calm the situation and did not show Sheridan in a good light. Was he happy he scored an illegal goal? If so, that is cheating.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 12:11:24 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 12, 2010, 12:02:19 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
No sympathy for Louth after watching those scumbags. Slap it up them.
4 or 5 idiots who are really pissed off should not be lumped into representing 25,000 Louth people.
It's like saying all Meath players are cheats for what sheridan did!
Give the "cheats" stuff a rest would you. ::)
He rolled over the line with the ball, threw it in the general direction of his foot, swung a leg at it and missed.
Hardly the crime of the century.
I think you will find that he was pused over the line as he said. ;D And as for him being the innocent party he was stuck in alot of faces when the decision of allowing the goal was to be made.
He wasn't actually.
QuoteHe wasn't actually.
Eh, He was. When the ref was running towards the umpire, He was sayings omething to him. He was standing right beside the ref & umpire during their brief interaction.
At the end, We can clearly see him grinning during "handbags" with a Louth player. If I had been in Sheridans position, I would have been embarassed on not going around with a big smile on my face.
I dont know Sheridan personally. Maybe he is a great guy but he cheated today and certainly showed no remorse for it. It was certainly a long way from sporting behaviour
Being from Tyrone, I will happily concede that M Sludden is not the most popular referee within his own county. But he does have a sense of fair play. I think that before he decided to award the goal he would have weighed up the Meath attempt to cause injury to Peter Canavan in 1996 against the Louth attempt to cripple Iggy Jones in 1957. While Peter went on to win his all-ireland, Iggy was denied his chance. Revenge is a dish best serve cold and it cant get much colder than 53 years.
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
No sympathy for Louth after watching those scumbags. Slap it up them.
Harsh but not unsurprising response
Louth fans should show up en masse (10-15,000) at the next game and stage a sit in-force the issue.
Joe Sheridan should have steered clear of the media after the match and kept his mouth shut. He was pushed nowhere and only embarassed himself.
Louth should have had the game well wrapped up near the end, there'll be a few players kicking themselves.
Louth supporters let themselves down, Meath free-taking was booed from the off. I'd say the Louth support doubled from that which was at the Westmeath game. Enough said. 50 years since they won leinster? I'd say half the Louth support wasn't at a single game in those 50 years.
Why was sheridan grinning? I saw that and just to be grinning in the faces of the Louth players is way worse than what those fans did.
Hopefully the ref will be banned for life. The man has no integrity at all, if he cared about fair play he would of asked the umpire why he didnt raise the green flag. I have long known cheating is ripe in the GAA, whether it be refs with vendettas, etc... and today is the clearest case yet.
If Louth dont get a replay they should forfeit the qualifier match in protest. 25000 x 30euro is what Louth gave the GAA today to be cheated.
There have been way worse crowd problems at club games involving refs, these Louth GAA fans shouldnt be scapegoated, they barely even touched the ref. I remember seeing footage of Niall Cahalane punching a ref in the jaw at a club game after final whistle and he writes for the examiner now.
And as for the referee-I was expecting to see him flaked around the place based on the commentary. I think heavy jostling would be a better description
(any Mayo people at the Crossmolina/Castlebar county final replay in Charlestwon back in the late 80s-referee actually ran for his life being chased by cross players and supporters)
Quote from: whitey on July 12, 2010, 12:51:54 AM
And as for the referee-I was expecting to see him flaked around the place based on the commentary. I think heavy jostling would be a better description
(any Mayo people at the Crossmolina/Castlebar county final replay in Charlestwon back in the late 80s-referee actually ran for his life being chased by cross players and supporters)
What about the ref in Wickla that was locked into the boot of a car?
Quote from: whitey on July 12, 2010, 12:51:54 AM
And as for the referee-I was expecting to see him flaked around the place based on the commentary. I think heavy jostling would be a better description
(any Mayo people at the Crossmolina/Castlebar county final replay in Charlestwon back in the late 80s-referee actually ran for his life being chased by cross players and supporters)
I remember that - think the Castlebar Full back (Ronan Mee?) had run about 70 yards to flatten Hugh Lynn off the ball and a bit of an all in brawl developed.
That game should be replayed too?
On a more serious note - the actions of the Louth supporters were inexcusable. But the actions of umpire moreso - that man (who's heart was no doubt in the right place) should not be allowed to make a decision on a pitch again
He was grinning because one of the Louth players elbowed him in the chest then another lad squared up to him.
I remember that - think the Castlebar Full back (Ronan Mee?) had run about 70 yards to flatten Hugh Lynn off the ball and a bit of an all in brawl developed.
I do remember "goldilocks" having to make a run for it too, but I didnt know why he was getting chased until now
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 12:51:38 AM
Why was sheridan grinning? I saw that and just to be grinning in the faces of the Louth players is way worse than what those fans did.
Yea saw that too... Whatever about the goal, Sheridan didn't cover himself in glory with his antics after "scoring" it
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 12:59:10 AM
He was grinning because one of the Louth players elbowed him in the chest then another lad squared up to him.
;D
Hw was grinning because he knew he had got away with it
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 12:59:10 AM
He was grinning because one of the Louth players elbowed him in the chest then another lad squared up to him.
Assault so jinxy ye'll be looking for them to be prosecuted?
This is a joke, not one of those Louth fans assaulted the ref, brushed him with a few shoulders and pushes and verbals, complete scapegoats,
We all seen alot worse,
Labelling Joe Sheridan a cheat is not on IMO. He did make an attempt to kick the ball in fairness to him (difficult skill to do when you're on your arse). He was so far over the line that he ended up kicking the net instead of the ball though.
He was in the square when the first ball came in (the one Seámus Kenny caught) so that should have been a free out. I also think he was fouled by the goalkeeper before the "goal". Watch the replay from behind the goal and you can clearly see the keeper dive in with his knee to try and stop him.
He didn't do himself any favours in the interview afterwards though. He would've been better off keeping his mouth shut.
Quote from: AN other on July 12, 2010, 12:49:37 AM
Louth supporters let themselves down, Meath free-taking was booed from the off. I'd say the Louth support doubled from that which was at the Westmeath game. Enough said. 50 years since they won leinster? I'd say half the Louth support wasn't at a single game in those 50 years.
There was only a few hundred of them in Navan on 5 June. They were a fine sporting crowd though and I'm gutted for the true Louth fans who I met at that game. The pathetic actions of a handful brainless idiots who went after the ref and Mark Ward will now tarnish Louth GAA. I bet them lads weren't at a game all year and it wouldn't surprise me if none of them were even members of a club. They should be named and shamed along with the sc**bag who threw the bottle.
Was Mark Ward the Meath player that got a slap who O'Rourke was on about?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 12:51:38 AM
If Louth dont get a replay they should forfeit the qualifier match in protest. 25000 x 30euro is what Louth gave the GAA today to be cheated.
There have been way worse crowd problems at club games involving refs, these Louth GAA fans shouldnt be scapegoated, they barely even touched the ref. I remember seeing footage of Niall Cahalane punching a ref in the jaw at a club game after final whistle and he writes for the examiner now.
Sorry SLIGONIAN, complete bollix.
1. The GAA can't grant a replay here because it would very quickly end up in a snarl-up of fixtures, as if there weren't enough issues with those already. The result is the result unless it's a case of the game not running to full-time (as happened with Jimmy Cooney and the Offaly and Clare hurlers a few years ago).
2. You're trying to excuse assaults on the ref with comparison to worse assaults. That's not on, the ref should never be manhandled, and those Louth 'fans' are a disgrace to their county, and should be banned from whichever jurisdiction the GAA hold, be that club or county. Don't attempt to play the whataboutery card here please.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 01:07:15 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 12:59:10 AM
He was grinning because one of the Louth players elbowed him in the chest then another lad squared up to him.
Assault so jinxy ye'll be looking for them to be prosecuted?
This is a joke, not one of those Louth fans assaulted the ref, brushed him with a few shoulders and pushes and verbals, complete scapegoats,
We all seen alot worse,
Don't really get this.
To answer my own question.... this is brutal
(http://hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/louth%20attack.jpg)
Same fella was ushering lads away from the referee a few minutes earlier ???
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 01:26:00 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 01:07:15 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 12:59:10 AM
He was grinning because one of the Louth players elbowed him in the chest then another lad squared up to him.
Assault so jinxy ye'll be looking for them to be prosecuted?
This is a joke, not one of those Louth fans assaulted the ref, brushed him with a few shoulders and pushes and verbals, complete scapegoats,
We all seen alot worse,
Don't really get this.
No one is calling what the players did in the aftermath assault but yet i never saw one elbow on the ref. Is shouldering, pushing and running after a ref assualt?
The word "assault" is always bandied around in the aftermath of stuff like this.
Just part of the general hysteria really.
More photos from yesterday Fiasco...
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9711/joeshercopy.jpg) (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/joeshercopy.jpg/)
It has to be taken into account no punches were thrown, can people not empathise with the pain of 53 yrs and they way it was taken away? These men I guarntee will turn out to be diehards and genuine folk, where the pain is alot greater and i feel for them. They werent even aware of themselves or there action in the rage afterwards, complete unconconcious reaction.
If video evidence was analysed, i would put it down to intimidation of the ref, more than assault.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 01:40:25 AM
It has to be taken into account no punches were thrown, can people not empathise with the pain of 53 yrs and they way it was taken away? These men I guarntee will turn out to be diehards and genuine folk, where the pain is alot greater and i feel for them. They werent even aware of themselves or there action in the rage afterwards, complete unconconcious reaction.
If video evidence was analysed, i would put it down to intimidation of the ref, more than assault.
I hear what you're saying, but no. There can be no attempt to fudge the actions of these individuals and put it down to frustration - they'll need long, or lifetime bans from all GAA grounds for that sort of behaviour.
I'd agree with Sligonian to be honest.
Obviously it was wrong but jaysus, i think the ref got off fairly light, it could have been worse. Ya can't go near the ref like that, but after a wrong like that, it's understandable....not justifiable just to be clear.
Crazy decision, whatever will happen it's going to hang over both teams for a long time to come. Bitta of a France scenario could emerge for Meath. Chatting to a few lads in Trim there, no celebrations at all there tonight.
Look lads, when McStay was talking I was thinking the whole time, if this happened Mayo in an All Ireland Final last kick of the game or Sligo for that matter how would you feel? I honestly wouldnt know what I would do..
Ironically enough it was the exact same scoreline as 07 Connacht 1-10 to 0-12 and in fairness Sligo did there best to throw it away but no team deserves that even with the misses. I really feel for Louth, Im still raging about it. My heart goes out to them.
Ah come on Sligonian there is absolutely no excuse for that carry on. The referee did make a monumental c**k up but he still should not be subjected to that sort of intimidation from mindless eejits.
Louth were robbed of what would've been their greatest day in donkey's years so you can understand the level of fustration of people but you have to show a level of self control - for me Peter Fitzpatrick deserves a lot of credit for his actions. The footage of the young Louth garsún in tears when what I presume was his father was being held by a security guard was heartbreaking. That man should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 12, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
Ah come on Sligonian there is absolutely no excuse for that carry on. The referee did make a monumental c**k up but he still should not be subjected to that sort of intimidation from mindless eejits.
Louth were robbed of what would've been their greatest day in donkey's years so you can understand the level of fustration of people but you have to show a level of self control - for me Peter Fitzpatrick deserves a lot of credit for his actions. The footage of the young Louth garsún in tears when what I presume was his father was being held by a security guard was heartbreaking. That man should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
It was no c**k up, ffs if he wanted to give louth fair play he would of asked the umpires. In no way was this a mistake. Its far to PC and Niave to give the ref that excuse.
Ive never even come close to this with refs but fck me i can understand. If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done.
FFS lads would ye ever cop on. Are you seriously suggesting that the offenders get away with approaching the referee, because they're from Louth and it's their first time in 50 odd years?
It's inexcusable, once you start to excuse it, this sort of behaviour becomes acceptable.
This game still has me annoyed. However as much as I feel for Louth most counties in round 3 of qualifiers would probably prefer them in the qualifiers rather than Meath.
The referee well and truly messed this one up and I am with sligonian on this one, the umpires should have been consulted and it appears as if they weren't. I can understand the frustration of the Louth fans after taking beatings on the chin from teams like Meath for the best part of 50 years and finally coming out on top is something hard to deal with but attacking an individual is not acceptable.
The best thing to come from today hopefully is the fact that Sludden and his pals never referee a county GAA match ever again, and hopefully the same applies to club games.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 02:04:22 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 12, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
Ah come on Sligonian there is absolutely no excuse for that carry on. The referee did make a monumental c**k up but he still should not be subjected to that sort of intimidation from mindless eejits.
Louth were robbed of what would've been their greatest day in donkey's years so you can understand the level of fustration of people but you have to show a level of self control - for me Peter Fitzpatrick deserves a lot of credit for his actions. The footage of the young Louth garsún in tears when what I presume was his father was being held by a security guard was heartbreaking. That man should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
It was no c**k up, ffs if he wanted to give louth fair play he would of asked the umpires. In no way was this a mistake. Its far to PC and Niave to give the ref that excuse.
Ive never even come close to this with refs but fck me i can understand. If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done.
It's still no excuse for physically intimidating and confronting the referee. There was an injustice perpretated on Louth but you can't behave that way no matter how fustrated you are. The book should be thrown at these clowns because there is no excuse. You can hardly say to the Guards that "I was fustrated and I'll regret my actions when I've calmed down".
Contrast the actions of these "fans" today to the Offaly crowd in '98 after Cooney had blown up early in the hurling semi-final against Clare
Of course Louth deserved to win on the balance of the play but the team that deserves to win doesnt always do so. It is v v rare for a decision to be overturned no matter how bad it is but the vibes from the Sunday Game indicated that it is possible that a replay will be considered, I dont really mind. It would give closure on the one hand but you could also ask why is it happening here and not on all the other occasions that decisions like this happen and does it allow the thugs to win?
No matter what happens some of the Louth supporters didnt cover themselves in glory at all. Those near me were fine but there must have been thousands of them booing Cian Ward all the time for the frees, way way more than the token jeering when Louth were taking frees.
On top of that the thuggery of a few that we all saw and I hope that the Louth Co. Board conduct an investigation and ban the thugs from games (not easy I know)
On top of that a Meath player getting struck on the pitch.
On top of that I heard from two sources that Sean Boylan was struck in the stands after being approached by a Louth "supporter".
We all have to accept defeat no matter how hard done by it seems. ARe these people supporters at all or are they bandwagon jumpers? Every Louth supporter around me was fine and were a bit shocked to be honest, I actually said to them I didnt think it was a goal and most were just bemused by it all.
Quote from: agorm on July 12, 2010, 02:50:33 AM
Of course Louth deserved to win on the balance of the play but the team that deserves to win doesnt always do so. It is v v rare for a decision to be overturned no matter how bad it is but the vibes from the Sunday Game indicated that it is possible that a replay will be considered, I dont really mind. It would give closure on the one hand but you could also ask why is it happening here and not on all the other occasions that decisions like this happen and does it allow the thugs to win?
No matter what happens some of the Louth supporters didnt cover themselves in glory at all. Those near me were fine but there must have been thousands of them booing Cian Ward all the time for the frees, way way more than the token jeering when Louth were taking frees.
On top of that the thuggery of a few that we all saw and I hope that the Louth Co. Board conduct an investigation and ban the thugs from games (not easy I know)
On top of that a Meath player getting struck on the pitch.
On top of that I heard from two sources that Sean Boylan was struck in the stands after being approached by a Louth "supporter".
We all have to accept defeat no matter how hard done by it seems. ARe these people supporters at all or are they bandwagon jumpers? Every Louth supporter around me was fine and were a bit shocked to be honest, I actually said to them I didnt think it was a goal and most were just bemused by it all.
Is this a race to the bottom to see who's fans were the worst? The main crux of your point is correct but why do you feel the need to talk about the behaviour of the Louth fans, if the majority of them were fine? What about ; what about ; what about ::)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2010, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 12:51:38 AM
If Louth dont get a replay they should forfeit the qualifier match in protest. 25000 x 30euro is what Louth gave the GAA today to be cheated.
There have been way worse crowd problems at club games involving refs, these Louth GAA fans shouldnt be scapegoated, they barely even touched the ref. I remember seeing footage of Niall Cahalane punching a ref in the jaw at a club game after final whistle and he writes for the examiner now.
Sorry SLIGONIAN, complete bollix.
1. The GAA can't grant a replay here because it would very quickly end up in a snarl-up of fixtures, as if there weren't enough issues with those already. The result is the result unless it's a case of the game not running to full-time (as happened with Jimmy Cooney and the Offaly and Clare hurlers a few years ago).
2. You're trying to excuse assaults on the ref with comparison to worse assaults. That's not on, the ref should never be manhandled, and those Louth 'fans' are a disgrace to their county, and should be banned from whichever jurisdiction the GAA hold, be that club or county. Don't attempt to play the whataboutery card here please.
FOSB what did you think of Sluddens performance, or are you trying to defend him?
who the f**k left a Tyrone man ref a game of football. Sure, throwing the ball and all sorts of cheating are an acceptable part of the game up there.
Idiotic decision.
Joe Sheridan quoted in the Irish Times today:
I think it was a perfect goal
What a complete and utter knob.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 12, 2010, 06:54:43 AM
who the f**k left a Tyrone man ref a game of football. Sure, throwing the ball and all sorts of cheating are an acceptable part of the game up there.
Idiotic decision.
You mean let not left? You need a lesson in the Queen's English.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 12:07:26 AM
I agree.
Btw, Sludden may as well have had a 5 year old escorting him off. Thon Garda was a fat, useless b**tard. His job needs looked at.
The Guard concerned ought to be commended for restraining his professionally trained instincts for natural justice.
Surely he too had some sympathy with misjustice of Louth. He did well not to have a go himself, well done that man.
IT WAS NEVER A SCORE.
SHERRIDEN DID NOT GET DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON THE BALL.
Quote from: stephenite on July 12, 2010, 03:09:50 AM
Quote from: agorm on July 12, 2010, 02:50:33 AM
Of course Louth deserved to win on the balance of the play but the team that deserves to win doesnt always do so. It is v v rare for a decision to be overturned no matter how bad it is but the vibes from the Sunday Game indicated that it is possible that a replay will be considered, I dont really mind. It would give closure on the one hand but you could also ask why is it happening here and not on all the other occasions that decisions like this happen and does it allow the thugs to win?
No matter what happens some of the Louth supporters didnt cover themselves in glory at all. Those near me were fine but there must have been thousands of them booing Cian Ward all the time for the frees, way way more than the token jeering when Louth were taking frees.
On top of that the thuggery of a few that we all saw and I hope that the Louth Co. Board conduct an investigation and ban the thugs from games (not easy I know)
On top of that a Meath player getting struck on the pitch.
On top of that I heard from two sources that Sean Boylan was struck in the stands after being approached by a Louth "supporter".
We all have to accept defeat no matter how hard done by it seems. ARe these people supporters at all or are they bandwagon jumpers? Every Louth supporter around me was fine and were a bit shocked to be honest, I actually said to them I didnt think it was a goal and most were just bemused by it all.
Is this a race to the bottom to see who's fans were the worst? The main crux of your point is correct but why do you feel the need to talk about the behaviour of the Louth fans, if the majority of them were fine? What about ; what about ; what about ::)
Of course I am entitled to talk about their behaviour even if the majority were ok. I actually cant understand your logic, I'll check again....maybe this isnt a discussion board and I am not entitled to an opinion!!
BTW the booing was worse than any we have come up against (including Dublin and Mayo).
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 02:04:22 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 12, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
Ah come on Sligonian there is absolutely no excuse for that carry on. The referee did make a monumental c**k up but he still should not be subjected to that sort of intimidation from mindless eejits.
Louth were robbed of what would've been their greatest day in donkey's years so you can understand the level of fustration of people but you have to show a level of self control - for me Peter Fitzpatrick deserves a lot of credit for his actions. The footage of the young Louth garsún in tears when what I presume was his father was being held by a security guard was heartbreaking. That man should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
It was no c**k up, ffs if he wanted to give louth fair play he would of asked the umpires. In no way was this a mistake. Its far to PC and Niave to give the ref that excuse.
Ive never even come close to this with refs but fck me i can understand. If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done.
When there is a score the umpires confer and then raise a flag. The umpires stood motionless untill the ref told them to raise the flag. The ref had to tell the umpire to do his job. That's nothing to do with fair play it's the fact that the unpires forgot they had a job to do untill the ref correctly reminded them to do it.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 08:10:29 AM
When there is a score the umpires confer and then raise a flag. The umpires stood motionless untill the ref told them to raise the flag. The ref had to tell the umpire to do his job. That's nothing to do with fair play it's the fact that the unpires forgot they had a job to do untill the ref correctly reminded them to do it.
Wrong.
The umpires do not wave the flag if they are not sure if its a score or if they see a clear infringement.
The umpires did not stand motionless. One raised his arm to signal he wanted to tell the ref something he'd seen (presumably that Sheridan carried the ball over the line).
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 08:10:29 AM
When there is a score the umpires confer and then raise a flag. The umpires stood motionless untill the ref told them to raise the flag. The ref had to tell the umpire to do his job. That's nothing to do with fair play it's the fact that the unpires forgot they had a job to do untill the ref correctly reminded them to do it.
Wrong.
The umpires do not wave the flag if they are not sure if its a score or if they see a clear infringement.
The umpires did not stand motionless. One raised his arm to signal he wanted to tell the ref something he'd seen (presumably that Sheridan carried the ball over the line).
Then why didn't he/they say so? As far as I could see Sludden was looking at two mannequins who had nothing to tell him.
I thought that lone garda did all that he could he do. He had to stay by Sludden as the blows were coming in, there were numerous people trying to get at Sludden and if the the garda goes off and tries to dish out justice on any of those fans then the ref is left unguarded.
Where were the other gardai and officials? Surely there should have been a garda escort of about4 gardai to get te ref off the pitch. I am sure I have seen that before.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 08:10:29 AM
When there is a score the umpires confer and then raise a flag. The umpires stood motionless untill the ref told them to raise the flag. The ref had to tell the umpire to do his job. That's nothing to do with fair play it's the fact that the unpires forgot they had a job to do untill the ref correctly reminded them to do it.
Wrong.
The umpires do not wave the flag if they are not sure if its a score or if they see a clear infringement.
The umpires did not stand motionless. One raised his arm to signal he wanted to tell the ref something he'd seen (presumably that Sheridan carried the ball over the line).
Then why didn't he/they say so? As far as I could see Sludden was looking at two mannequins who had nothing to tell him.
Jeez Zap, did you look at it or what?
Sludden didnt give the umpire any chance, he didnt want to know. He just ordered him to award the goal. Now maybe he should have stood his ground and refused to wave the flag unless Sludden gave him a proper hearing, but that's about as likely to happen as Sheridan holding his hands up and saying it wasn't legal.
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 09:23:31 AM
Jeez Zap, did you look at it or what?
Sludden didnt give the umpire any chance, he didnt want to know. He just ordered him to award the goal. Now maybe he should have stood his ground and refused to wave the flag unless Sludden gave him a proper hearing, but that's about as likely to happen as Sheridan holding his hands up and saying it wasn't legal.
I'v looked at it over and over. There was an exchange of words between Sludden and the umpire. It was hard to see who spoke first as sludden was running away from the camera but it looked to me like the umpire did. We have no idea what was said. It took a few second and the umpire looked like his opinion was confirmed by Sludden.
Your version of events are sensationalised which does noboady any good.
was also looking at the umpires during and after the 'goal' on the replays last night.
The 'other' umpire even made a move to lift the flag after the ball was in the net, but stopped when he realised he was beside the white flag !
far from what was said on this thread earlier yesterday when it was said that sludden went in ant told the umpire to raise his flag with no consultation etc
I also agree with Zap that there was some communication between the two before the umpire raised his flag.
I suspect that sludden only had to say 'goal?' or 'was it a goal' and the umpire did seem to say something which coul dhave been 'aye' then sludden seemingly told him to put up the flag.
so whatever was said - there was some communication.
But - the umpires were fecking way wrong.
From yesterday, I am convinced we now must have TV replay capabilities incorporated into our championship mathes. Far from taking up too much time, maybe like american football and tennis - a manager can have three 'challenges' where the game will pause for a minute and the footage reviewed.
Also I hate to admit it, but we now def need fences around grounds to keep fans off.
If I were in the GAA hierarchy, I'd be asking questions about why they were paying so much money for stewards and gardai and none of them surrounded the ref after a 'controversial' game- as is normally the custom and procedure !
Sean boylan when put on the spot on the radio this morning stated that he would have to look back at the whole game and all the incidents (louth kicking the ball away and the frees the ref gave against meath or didnt give meath) before he could make a decision on whether he would offer a replay. He said the meath county board would be fair!
Looking at the Mark Ward pictures this morning I think we were blessed that calmer heads prevailed and a melee didn't break out involving players & fans.
That could have been truly horrific.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 10:16:16 AM
Looking at the Mark Ward pictures this morning I think we were blessed that calmer heads prevailed and a melee didn't break out involving players & fans.
That could have been truly horrific.
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One Meath man doesn't agree ... Trevor Giles calls for a replay
I think the county board will offer a replay.
And I think the players will have no problem whatsoever with that.
And I think Meath will win the replay
Well I'd hope we couldn't play as badly again.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 10:31:09 AM
I think the county board will offer a replay.
And I think the players will have no problem whatsoever with that.
I think they will too. There are proud men in Meath, as we've seen from the reactions here, and Colm O'Rourke last night, in all fairness to him. I think they'd sooner take their chances in a replay than hang onto a title over which there'll always be question marks. Meath mightn't go on to win the Championship but they will show they know what the game is about. Best of luck to them tonight.
There should be no replay. Louth should be awarded the game by the CCCC as is provided for in the rules. Let Meath object if they see fit to.
I think if it goes to a replay Meath will win. If there is a replay who will do ref.
Quote from: Banna Man on July 12, 2010, 10:55:40 AM
I think if it goes to a replay Meath will win. If there is a replay who will do ref.
If this happens in will be Pat McEnaney.
As long as they would not try to rub salt into the wound anf give it to Martin Sludden
Well hang on a second ...
It's not up to Meath either ... the decision has to be or should be made by the GAA
The Meath CB could easily say that too and wash their hands of it.
One thing is clear, Joe Sheridan is not a cheat, BUT...
he could be forgiven for claiming it as a goal at the time and maybe shortly after the game. However, after reading that interview with the Examiner he would sicken your hole. Talk about a lack of honour and decorum. He says it should have been allowed because use he was over the line before he let go of it/threw it. For fcuk sake Joe how did the ball get over the line? Whilst you were holding it! Thus an illegal goal. It doesn't matter if you were fouled (you weren't) the goal shouldn't have been given and you should have to grace to say so.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 09:23:31 AM
Jeez Zap, did you look at it or what?
Sludden didnt give the umpire any chance, he didnt want to know. He just ordered him to award the goal. Now maybe he should have stood his ground and refused to wave the flag unless Sludden gave him a proper hearing, but that's about as likely to happen as Sheridan holding his hands up and saying it wasn't legal.
I'v looked at it over and over. There was an exchange of words between Sludden and the umpire. It was hard to see who spoke first as sludden was running away from the camera but it looked to me like the umpire did. We have no idea what was said. It took a few second and the umpire looked like his opinion was confirmed by Sludden.
Your version of events are sensationalised which does noboady any good.
Sensationalised my arse.
There are pictures on this thread and in the papers today of the umpire standing, holding his hand in the air, trying to attract the attention of the ref.
As has been mentioned numerous times on this thread and by Fitzpatrick on TV interviews, the Louth defender (who was standing beside the umpire and ref) told Fitzpatrick that the ref just told the umpire to give the goal. He did not want to know what the umpire had to say, there was no consultation. Now I'm sure you might accuse the defender or manager of lying, but it doesnt matter to Louth whether it was the umpire or the ref who gave the wrong decision. But the TV pictures clearly show that the ref gave the umpire no opportunity to explain himself.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 12, 2010, 11:01:56 AM
One thing is clear, Joe Sheridan is not a cheat, BUT...
he could be forgiven for claiming it as a goal at the time and maybe shortly after the game. However, after reading that interview with the Examiner he would sicken your hole. Talk about a lack of honour and decorum. He says it should have been allowed because use he was over the line before he let go of it/threw it. For fcuk sake Joe how did the ball get over the line? Whilst you were holding it! Thus an illegal goal. It doesn't matter if you were fouled (you weren't) the goal shouldn't have been given and you should have to grace to say so.
I think that any player in this game would do the same. But i do agree that he should have just went home after the game and done no interveiws.
He thinks he was pushed over the line.
Did you ever ship a challenge in a game and think to yourself "That has to be a free" whereas everyone else sees nothing wrong with it?
To say he has no honour is yet more hysterical nonsense.
One thing we can be sure of, if Tyrone were involved they would definitely hold their hands up straight away and offer the cup to Louth. ::)
Can someone quote me the rule that says if a team offers a replay that it is allowable?
Really the level of discussion and analysis of this is a joke, especially with our so-called GAA media experts. The mechanism is there for the GAA to do the right thing (as they were keen to do with Paul Galvin and Tomas Ó'Sé recently) so why do they not do it? This is a complete scandal and if I were a Louth man I'd never be at a county game again.
QuoteHe was grinning because one of the Louth players elbowed him in the chest then another lad squared up to him.
Still not appropriate; He had just scored a completely illegal goal. He should have been keeping his head down instead of provoking the situation. Can you imagine being in the Louth players position that he was grinning at? If it was me he was grinning at, I certainly would not have shown the restraint that some of those Louth guys did.
I actually hope that the GAA take this opportunity to introduce some new rules like:
1) Any player who attempts loiters near the referee when he consults with linesman / umpire gets an aoutomatic yellow
2) Any goalkeeper who waves a wide when the ball is going over should get an automatic yellow. This is a common thing for DonalOg Cusuack and is especially prevalent in hurling. This is also a form of cheating and should be stopped. They are trying to influence the umpire into an incorrect decision
Well whether or not there is a replay, yesterday was a watershed, that will be the last GAA game where supporters will be allowed on to the pitch. Expect to see fencing/ barricades of some discription been put in place, there could have been a serious public order issue yesterday and to see the Croke park steward on the ground, with a distraught young Louth supporter crying after it seems been hit by a bottle on the head near the tunnel area was shocking. Yesterday was a turning point sadly, but no way will the Gardai or indeed the stadium insurers allow the practice of pitch invasions anymore.
Quotebut no way will the Gardai or indeed the stadium insurers allow the practice of pitch invasions anymore.
And quite rightly too
QuoteExpect to see fencing/ barricades of some discription been put in place
It'll be sad to see that.
order a replay and no admission fee common sense should prevail
Somebody made the point earlier about the fact that thank God the Meath players didn't react when one of them was struck by that little bollox in the number 13 jersey (who was the voice of reason initially!!).
Imagine if the Meath lads ended up in a pitch battle with the Louth fans? It would have been truly disastrous.
I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading here about the langers that were elbowing, shouldering and throwing punches at the ref, and throwing bottles. That's completely out of order, and has no place in the GAA. The same lads would be sneering at soccer 'fans' if they saw that at a league of Ireland game.
Imagine if the English fans went after the ref in the German game because of Lampard's shot? Imagine what would be written on here. The mind boggles.
We should treat these Louth lads exactly the same way.
I do understand the frustration and the sense of being robbed, but interfering with officials is, and has to remain, an act which gets the heaviest sanctions.
All this talk of the fact that Louth were waiting 53 years, and were robbed, is a non sequitar. What is the acceptable threshold for waiting and/or robbery? We haven't won a Leinster in 13 years, can I attack a ref if we get rode someday, or do I have to wait for 20 years? 25? When does it become acceptable?
Very odd thought processes on display here I have to say.
Quote from: skeog on July 12, 2010, 11:28:47 AM
order a replay and no admission fee common sense should prevail
Who do you think should do that?
QuoteImagine if the English fans went after the ref in the German game because of Lampard's shot? Imagine what would be written on here. The mind boggles.
We should treat these Louth lads exactly the same way.
Not comparing like with like here. Lampards goal was scored with over half the match still to play. This goal was scored in the dying seconds of the game. The context was very different. I am not saying I agree with the Louth fans actions; I dont. They were wrong and I am sure that ref was very shaken afterwards. That should never be the case for any person. However, in the context of this game, I can understand how emotions raged at the end. I have no feeling for Meath or Louth and was excited at the end. So I can imagine how it would have absolutely riled the Louth fans. I doubt any of those fans attended that final intending to have a go at the ref.
But that's the problem here mackiernan. I agree the circumstances were different, but it's subjective opinion rather than factual. How do we know England wouldn't have gone on to win. I agree, but hard cases make bad laws, so it's hard to say if one decision merits a replay over another, in the laws.
for example, if Meath scored that 'goal' 3 minutes earlier would it have the same outcry? 4 minutes? 6 minutes? 15 minutes?
I agree with what you are saying, but it's hard to legislate effectively for instances like this. You have to have a level of 'gut feel', and that doesn't translate into laws and rules. I think in this case the GAA is depending on Meath to get them out of a rut by offering a replay.
Some supporters see the pitch invasions as an excuse to do what they want, was in the hill for a recent AI football final and with 15 minutes to go groups of lads were heading for the pitchside, well boozed up and to be honest looking for trouble. Society has changed whether we like it or not and the GAA will have to adopt its policies to reflect this change. Law abiding patrons have a right to safety and security when they attend a game, if people cant control themselves regardless of the result they shouldn't be there and the patrons who can control themselves deserve protection. The same goes for the players, the GPA is always on about players rights yet when it comes to calls for protecting players at the end of games, there silence is deafening.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
But that's the problem here mackiernan. I agree the circumstances were different, but it's subjective opinion rather than factual. How do we know England wouldn't have gone on to win. I agree, but hard cases make bad laws, so it's hard to say if one decision merits a replay over another, in the laws.
for example, if Meath scored that 'goal' 3 minutes earlier would it have the same outcry? 4 minutes? 6 minutes? 15 minutes?
I agree with what you are saying, but it's hard to legislate effectively for instances like this. You have to have a level of 'gut feel', and that doesn't translate into laws and rules. I think in this case the GAA is depending on Meath to get them out of a rut by offering a replay.
Spot on AZ.
There can be absolutely under no circumstance be any justification sought or given for assaulting a referee. Those who tried to get at the referee have been caught on camera and there are plenty of witnesses. They should never be allowed set foot inside GAA properties again. End of story.
QuoteThere can be absolutely under no circumstance be any justification sought or given for assaulting a referee. Those who tried to get at the referee have been caught on camera and there are plenty of witnesses. They should never be allowed set foot inside GAA properties again. End of story.
And how can you prevent them from attending another GAA match?
That's a good point actually mackiernan. I'm not sure how those bans could be enforced, but you could make sure they never get a ticket from official sources, and if they are seen at the matches (people know who they are) they could be reported back, or ejected.
But in reality, it's very hard to enforce I'd imagine. Nobody looked at me going into O'Connor Park on Saturday night, so if I was Raoul Moat they'd not have noticed.
Well something needs to be done. It would be a disgrace if they went unpunished.
Quote from: thejuice on July 12, 2010, 12:07:59 PM
Well something needs to be done. It would be a disgrace if they went unpunished.
Ah they need to be banned. End of story. And the person that threw the bottle needs to be charged. I suppose the problem is how to enforce any ban, but it still needs to be handed out.
How about putting a big picture of each of those people up in the entrance to the county grounds in Louth for a year saying 'Banned' :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2010, 12:10:22 PM
How about putting a big picture of each of those people up in the entrance to the county grounds in Louth for a year saying 'Banned' :D
Sure who'd see that? :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2010, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 12, 2010, 12:07:59 PM
Well something needs to be done. It would be a disgrace if they went unpunished.
Ah they need to be banned. End of story. And the person that threw the bottle needs to be charged. I suppose the problem is how to enforce any ban, but it still needs to be handed out.
How about putting a big picture of each of those people up in the entrance to the county grounds in Louth for a year saying 'Banned' :D
Punish them according to either GAA rules or the law of the land - less of the flippin hysteria. No one is arguing otherwise. They will be punished you can be sure of that.
What do you propose should happen with the referee? Or with the (clearly false) result of the game which is the major issue despite what Peter McKenna and President Fás say?
What do I propose happen to the referee?
I would propose that at the very least he doesn't ref an inter county game until the 2012 season.
As for the result of the game, I don't think the GAA can do anything without opening a huge can of worms based on subjectivity and arguments about what's more relevant to the result of a game.
Natural justice would have been that the ref overruled the goal.
Natural justice now would be that the GAA declare Louth champions, but I can't see how you can do that without leaving yourself completely exposed in the future.
I think the best thing that can happen in today's rules climate is that Meath offer a replay and the GAA allow it to go ahead.
It's obvious an egregious wrong was done here, but at the end of the day you can't knee jerk yourself into an impossible position for the future.
Maybe Limerick should say that given Tomás O'Sé kicked two points, and was red carded post the game, that they deserve a replay? I'm being facetious, but it's not black and white and you can't just consider the game in isolation.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2010, 12:29:32 PM
What do I propose happen to the referee?
I would propose that at the very least he doesn't ref an inter county game until the 2012 season.
I have a feeling he may well opt for retirement.
He might, but I do think it's important the GAA acknowlege that a wrong was done here. And Mick Curley needs to apologise to the Louth team for it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2010, 12:29:32 PM
What do I propose happen to the referee?
I would propose that at the very least he doesn't ref an inter county game until the 2012 season.
As for the result of the game, I don't think the GAA can do anything without opening a huge can of worms based on subjectivity and arguments about what's more relevant to the result of a game.
Natural justice would have been that the ref overruled the goal.
Natural justice now would be that the GAA declare Louth champions, but I can't see how you can do that without leaving yourself completely exposed in the future.
I think the best thing that can happen in today's rules climate is that Meath offer a replay and the GAA allow it to go ahead.
It's obvious an egregious wrong was done here, but at the end of the day you can't knee jerk yourself into an impossible position for the future.
Maybe Limerick should say that given Tomás O'Sé kicked two points, and was red carded post the game, that they deserve a replay? I'm being facetious, but it's not black and white and you can't just consider the game in isolation.
That's where I disagree with you. It is black and white and as with every disciplinary case for example, every case must be looked at on its own merits. What should happen is this: CCCC ask referee to examine video evidence to see if he is happy with award of goal. If he compounds his error and he says he is then they award game to Meath. If he says he isn't and should not have awarded it then its Louth's game. Meath would have the right to object (if they had the neck to) though I can't see under what rule they would object. Simple really.
But you can't rely on people to say 'ah that Louth one was obvious' and not object to things in future. A feeling of injustice is a strong motivator, and objectivity often goes out the window.
I'll don't even need to reach for hypotheticals here, lets take the Offaly - Galway hurling game recently.
Ger Farragher scored a point from a sideline. It was clearly wide. Even the commentator for RTE Sunday game did a 're-take' on it (see You Tube.
Game ended in a draw. Should the GAA have awarded the game to Offaly?
What do people propose happens the men who attacked the referee?
I propose a 3 year ban from attending all gaelic football and hurling matches.
PS. The ref made a mistake, and guess what, most human beings mak mistakes too.
QuoteGer Farragher scored a point from a sideline. It was clearly wide. Even the commentator for RTE Sunday game did a 're-take' on it (see You Tube.
But again, this was in a completely different context; That point was very near the start of the game. It was a wide, I had a very cear view of that sideline in Croke Pk on the day. But it just completely different to Louths situation yesterday.
That's your opinion mackiernan. And Again I'm not arguing because I agree with you, but can you not see how opening that up would lead to other people thinking their wrong was equally as bad.
In that case if Galway's point was struck off, Offaly had a point more scored. That's the fact of the matter. Everything else is just opinion about how important or otherwise the time was. If you introduce a rule, or a law, you have to be factual.
At the very least, if the GAA do something unilateraly about this, and either give Louth the game, or order a replay without one being offered, they are opening the floodgates for all sorts of appeals in the future.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2010, 11:40:00 AM
I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading here about the langers that were elbowing, shouldering and throwing punches at the ref, and throwing bottles. That's completely out of order, and has no place in the GAA. The same lads would be sneering at soccer 'fans' if they saw that at a league of Ireland game.
Imagine if the English fans went after the ref in the German game because of Lampard's shot? Imagine what would be written on here. The mind boggles.
We should treat these Louth lads exactly the same way.
Well said AZ
Hypocrisy is alive and well on here no doubt,not that I'm surprised or anything
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on July 12, 2010, 11:53:12 AM
The same goes for the players, the GPA is always on about players rights yet when it comes to calls for protecting players at the end of games, there silence is deafening.
FFS, wind your neck in. I'm sure there was a thread on here giving out about the GPA supporting the calls for no pitch invasions! The GPA have regularly called for an end to pitch invasions in order to protect the players. Here's one example:
http://www.gaelicplayers.com/press/560-gpa-appeal-to-supporters
QuoteIn that case if Galway's point was struck off, Offaly had a point more scored. That's the fact of the matter. Everything else is just opinion about how important or otherwise the time was. If you introduce a rule, or a law, you have to be factual.
Not necessarily, games change based on the score. It is too easy to say that Offaly would have won that match by a point if that score had not scored. If we assume that the game followed exactly the same pattern and that point didnt stand, then I am pretty sure the ref would have blown up before that last free to Offaly and it would still be a draw. Or just not give that didgy free to Offaly at the end. It is just so dfferent to the Louth game that it cannot be compared. Crawford makes the same point in todays indo saying that if they had got the score early in the match, there wouldnt be as much talk about it.
Common sense should prevail for each individual game. In the words of John Giles, "Each game should be taken on it merits"!
Time to ask our USA friends on how the process of coaches challenging the NFL official's decision is viewed.
I think each coach has one challenge per half, so he better use it wisely. Ref goes off to look at replay and has a max amount of time to review the incident. Ref can agree with original decision or change it if video convinces him the call was wrong.
All controversial issues in the last few minutes are reviewed by some panel in the TV booth.
Is that about the size of it?
What would it entail to put this in force for championship games?
Or even the way the ref asks for help in the rugby when a try may or may not have been scored...nothing wrong with asking for help if in doubt.
Quote from: mckieran on July 12, 2010, 12:53:58 PM
QuoteIn that case if Galway's point was struck off, Offaly had a point more scored. That's the fact of the matter. Everything else is just opinion about how important or otherwise the time was. If you introduce a rule, or a law, you have to be factual.
Not necessarily, games change based on the score. It is too easy to say that Offaly would have won that match by a point if that score had not scored. If we assume that the game followed exactly the same pattern and that point didnt stand, then I am pretty sure the ref would have blown up before that last free to Offaly and it would still be a draw. Or just not give that didgy free to Offaly at the end. It is just so dfferent to the Louth game that it cannot be compared. Crawford makes the same point in todays indo saying that if they had got the score early in the match, there wouldnt be as much talk about it
Yeah, but none of that is provable. It's obvious that that's *most likely* what would have happened, but if you look at the facts of the matter they are.
1. A Galway point has been proven to be wide.
2. The score at the end of the game was level.
3. If the score is corrected, Offaly win.
All I'm saying is that it's extremely dangerous to make a ruling based on yesterday which could impact future games. I agree it's not right what happened to Louth, and is an obvious example of robbery, but you could (and it will be) argue that the next incident was 'nearly as bad' as the Louth one, so will that be appealed on this basis as well?
By the way, lest there be any doubt, I'm not calling for the Galway game to be given to Offaly at this stage :D
As ever Eugene McGee is the sharpest knife in the drawer in his colum in the Indo today. He also makes the point - while clearly condeming the assults - what was Sludden up to hanging around taking the names of Louth players who were telling him what a bolix he is.
Also in the general hoha Sluddens 'previous' has been ignored and you have to ask what halfwit is responsible for letting him officiate at this level? He has always been a disaster waiting to happen.
I have been critical of Sherdian on this thread but he certainly doesnt deserve FB groups being set up for him calling him the new Henry. In a way, thats just as bad as the fans that ran onto the pitch yesterday
Quote from: zoyler on July 12, 2010, 01:09:36 PM
As ever Eugene McGee is the sharpest knife in the drawer in his colum in the Indo today. He also makes the point - while clearly condeming the assults - what was Sludden up to hanging around taking the names of Louth players who were telling him what a bolix he is.
Also in the general hoha Sluddens 'previous' has been ignored and you have to ask what halfwit is responsible for letting him officiate at this level? He has always been a disaster waiting to happen.
Or any level for that matter. :'( He is completely
out of his depth when trying to officiate at a senior club championship match, never mind an inter county provincial final : >:(
Meath county board are meeting tonight to discuss the possiblity of offering a replay.
Heard that Sean Boylan got a punch from a Louth supporter. If thats true, and I hope to God its not, well I don't know what becoming of Gaelic games and those that follow it. Very sad day indeed.
The lunatics are alive and well and running the liveline asylum, off course they are persisting in trying to deal with only one issue out of the game and its not goal. Disappointed, but not in any way surprised, can't listen to that any more!
Quote from: thejuice on July 12, 2010, 01:59:00 PM
Meath county board are meeting tonight to discuss the possiblity of offering a replay.
Heard that Sean Boylan got a punch from a Louth supporter. If thats true, and I hope to God its not, well I don't know what becoming of Gaelic games and those that follow it. Very sad day indeed.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/boylan-plays-down-incident-with-louth-fan-2254940.html
Very disappointing to read, fair play to Boylan
Some awful fools on liveline at the mo....from all sides.
It's all bout the ref incident so far, not surprised seeing as it's not a sport program.
I'm listening to it. Obviously they either screen out sensible people, or sensible people don't ring in. That woman from Louth has a point, but she is saying some obnoxious things. The sarcasm 'At least the poor ref is okay. What about Louth?'.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2010, 02:10:24 PM
I'm listening to it. Obviously they either screen out sensible people, or sensible people don't ring in. That woman from Louth has a point, but she is saying some obnoxious things. The sarcasm 'At least the poor ref is okay. What about Louth?'.
"Sure he wasn't pumped full of bullets". Didn't sound like she had a Dundalk accent :D
Cringe worthy stuff. The presenter is an eejit...who is he??
Quote from: ballinaman on July 12, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
Some awful fools on liveline at the mo....from all sides.
It's all bout the ref incident so far, not surprised seeing as it's not a sport program.
can you post a link to liveline?
That woman from Louth was a joke. What's the chances it was her first Louth game?
I was thinking the same thing Maguire.
Anyway they've moved on to Tesco not delivering to D8 because it's too dangerous now :D. Next.
Quote from: Square Ball on July 12, 2010, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 12, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
Some awful fools on liveline at the mo....from all sides.
It's all bout the ref incident so far, not surprised seeing as it's not a sport program.
can you post a link to liveline?
Segment is over now. Don't worry, ya didn't miss much.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2010, 02:14:54 PM
I was thinking the same thing Maguire.
Anyway they've moved on to Tesco not delivering to D8 because it's too dangerous now :D. Next.
They should put fences around D8.
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 11, 2010, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: talktothehand on July 11, 2010, 03:54:38 PM
if sludden didn't see it why the f**k not??? he was the referee!! if i was a louth man i'd have found it very hard to have behaved myself. i nearly kicked the telly in ffs. spillane was shaking he was that angry. how those two c***ts of umpires contrived the decision with the ref is beyond a joke. louth worthy champions!!! well done the wee county! sludden, you have disgraced our country you tr**p!
Dont you think your going a bit overboard here calling him a tr**p?? No need for that he made a bad mistake and you call him a tr**p? Your actually nearly condoning the actions of the Louth fans who in my view should never be allowed near a GAA match for the rest of their lives and who are the real tramps in this instance.
PS Full Moon wise up and please stop posting nonsense.
written in the heat of the moment but to be honest if the referee hadn't made the mistake would anyone have been on the pitch????
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 12, 2010, 12:56:03 PM
Time to ask our USA friends on how the process of coaches challenging the NFL official's decision is viewed.
I think each coach has one challenge per half, so he better use it wisely. Ref goes off to look at replay and has a max amount of time to review the incident. Ref can agree with original decision or change it if video convinces him the call was wrong.
All controversial issues in the last few minutes are reviewed by some panel in the TV booth.
Is that about the size of it?
What would it entail to put this in force for championship games?
Or even the way the ref asks for help in the rugby when a try may or may not have been scored...nothing wrong with asking for help if in doubt.
We could learn alot from our friends in the NFL. As I said in the other thread on this subject Video Ref is the way to go. Even if just for Championship matches.
Well, I’ve seen some hysteria in my time, but this takes the biscuit. It would be funny if it wasn’t gut-churningly hypocritical and cynical.
The most important thing that happened in Croke Park yesterday was that a voluntary steward was hit on the head with a bottle and could have been killed. I still don’t know how he is today. I scanned the papers and listened to the radio in vain. I read the 71 pages of this thread, but no news. I called Croke Park but just got a voicemail. I left a message asking about his well-being but I haven’t heard back yet.
Yet people here are capable of getting hysterical and invoking the human rights commission to reverse an erroneous decision in a football match. ONE erroneous decision among many, each of which had its influence on the outcome, regardless of the time they happened or whether they were given against a team in its first final for 50 years or the other team. People are screaming about “injustice” and “outrage” and “rights” and such shite. It was a game of football. Sport is like that.
I laughed when soccer was doing this to itself last winter. I’m sad that we seem to be just as ridiculous (and in some cases, worse than that) as a sporting community.
That stuff is just laughable, but the personal vilification of Joe Sheridan is unacceptable. People who should know better here should be ashamed of themselves and are no better than those setting up Facebook pages to vilify him. It’s not acceptable within our GAA community and you know it.
For one thing, if there is to be a rematch, consider Joe’s situation going out on the field in front of the animal element that infested the Louth support yesterday and the dangerous criminals who feel free to throw bottles at people’s heads, in a stadium where the authorities are incapable of enforcing crowd control measures. I suggest people here might give that a little thought before they post any more bile.
However, while those vilifying Joe range from unwise to bitter, those condoning the attacks on the referee are scum. You know who you are. If you have any doubt, get back to me and I’ll tell you to your face that you are low-lifes who have no place in any civilised community, never mind a sporting organisation.
If you want examples of how decent GAA people behave in the aftermath of what took place yesterday, read the posts of MidLouth and Louth Exile.
Oh – the match. A super performance from Louth, but a very disappointing display by Meath. The win was undeserved. I feel very bad for the Louth supporters and our Louth contingent here and, like the rest of Meath, I’m not celebrating. Most of all I’m disappointed that our team doesn’t seem to be going anywhere and our management doesn’t seem to know what to do on the sideline. But I’m not, as some sad lunatics here suggest I should be, ashamed of anything because of where I come from. I didn’t do anything to be ashamed of. Neither did the Meath team nor any of its players.
A rematch? Reverse the result? Someone from Croke Park calls to Navan for the cup and brings it to Dundalk? I don’t really give a shite. I’d welcome a rematch as an opportunity for the team to find its way and to get another bit of championship level exposure before the QF or qualifier. And because it would be the generous thing to do. Though the more I hear demands that Meath Co. Board should take responsibility for the officiating mistakes, the more I’m inclined to say “f**k off”.
But it’ll be interesting to see the posts of the hysterical ould wans here when next a team gains or loses a score that determines a match result because of an officiating error. Will they be calling for replays of them all or will they be explaining why one score wrongly allowed or disallowed in one match is more important than another in a different match? I’ll be watching with interest.
Actually, no – I won’t. You can guess why.
PS – Dara from Croke Park Communications Department just called back. I’m delighted to report the steward is OK. No major injury – just shaken.
Great post Hardy.
It is sad for the Meath lads that after 9 years they can't really enjoy their win.
Joe Sheridan did nothing wrong. He probably can't believe he got away with it.
It is not for Meath to sort this one out.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:20:02 PM
Well, I've seen some hysteria in my time, but this takes the biscuit. It would be funny if it wasn't gut-churningly hypocritical and cynical.
The most important thing that happened in Croke Park yesterday was that a voluntary steward was hit on the head with a bottle and could have been killed. I still don't know how he is today. I scanned the papers and listened to the radio in vain. I read the 71 pages of this thread, but no news. I called Croke Park but just got a voicemail. I left a message asking about his well-being but I haven't heard back yet.
Yet people here are capable of getting hysterical and invoking the human rights commission to reverse an erroneous decision in a football match. ONE erroneous decision among many, each of which had its influence on the outcome, regardless of the time they happened or whether they were given against a team in its first final for 50 years or the other team. People are screaming about "injustice" and "outrage" and "rights" and such shite. It was a game of football. Sport is like that.
I laughed when soccer was doing this to itself last winter. I'm sad that we seem to be just as ridiculous (and in some cases, worse than that) as a sporting community.
That stuff is just laughable, but the personal vilification of Joe Sheridan is unacceptable. People who should know better here should be ashamed of themselves and are no better than those setting up Facebook pages to vilify him. It's not acceptable within our GAA community and you know it.
For one thing, if there is to be a rematch, consider Joe's situation going out on the field in front of the animal element that infested the Louth support yesterday and the dangerous criminals who feel free to throw bottles at people's heads, in a stadium where the authorities are incapable of enforcing crowd control measures. I suggest people here might give that a little thought before they post any more bile.
However, while those vilifying Joe range from unwise to bitter, those condoning the attacks on the referee are scum. You know who you are. If you have any doubt, get back to me and I'll tell you to your face that you are low-lifes who have no place in any civilised community, never mind a sporting organisation.
If you want examples of how decent GAA people behave in the aftermath of what took place yesterday, read the posts of MidLouth and Louth Exile.
Oh – the match. A super performance from Louth, but a very disappointing display by Meath. The win was undeserved. I feel very bad for the Louth supporters and our Louth contingent here and, like the rest of Meath, I'm not celebrating. Most of all I'm disappointed that our team doesn't seem to be going anywhere and our management doesn't seem to know what to do on the sideline. But I'm not, as some sad lunatics here suggest I should be, ashamed of anything because of where I come from. I didn't do anything to be ashamed of. Neither did the Meath team nor any of its players.
A rematch? Reverse the result? Someone from Croke Park calls to Navan for the cup and brings it to Dundalk? I don't really give a shite. I'd welcome a rematch as an opportunity for the team to find its way and to get another bit of championship level exposure before the QF or qualifier. And because it would be the generous thing to do. Though the more I hear demands that Meath Co. Board should take responsibility for the officiating mistakes, the more I'm inclined to say "f**k off".
But it'll be interesting to see the posts of the hysterical ould wans here when next a team gains or loses a score that determines a match result because of an officiating error. Will they be calling for replays of them all or will they be explaining why one score wrongly allowed or disallowed in one match is more important than another in a different match? I'll be watching with interest. Actually, no – I won't. You can guess why.
PS – Dara from Croke Park Communications Department just called back. I'm delighted to report the steward is OK. No major injury – just shaken.
Those calling for a match reversal don't want to think about the ramifications of this down the line, justice now and all will be well but it won't as we've seen with county boards pulling all kinds of stunts to get players off etc.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:20:02 PM
PS – Dara from Croke Park Communications Department just called back. I'm delighted to report the steward is OK. No major injury – just shaken.
Good news and fair play to yourself for enquiring.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:20:02 PM
Well, I've seen some hysteria in my time, but this takes the biscuit. It would be funny if it wasn't gut-churningly hypocritical and cynical.
The most important thing that happened in Croke Park yesterday was that a voluntary steward was hit on the head with a bottle and could have been killed. I still don't know how he is today. I scanned the papers and listened to the radio in vain. I read the 71 pages of this thread, but no news. I called Croke Park but just got a voicemail. I left a message asking about his well-being but I haven't heard back yet.
Yet people here are capable of getting hysterical and invoking the human rights commission to reverse an erroneous decision in a football match. ONE erroneous decision among many, each of which had its influence on the outcome, regardless of the time they happened or whether they were given against a team in its first final for 50 years or the other team. People are screaming about "injustice" and "outrage" and "rights" and such shite. It was a game of football. Sport is like that.
I laughed when soccer was doing this to itself last winter. I'm sad that we seem to be just as ridiculous (and in some cases, worse than that) as a sporting community.
That stuff is just laughable, but the personal vilification of Joe Sheridan is unacceptable. People who should know better here should be ashamed of themselves and are no better than those setting up Facebook pages to vilify him. It's not acceptable within our GAA community and you know it.
For one thing, if there is to be a rematch, consider Joe's situation going out on the field in front of the animal element that infested the Louth support yesterday and the dangerous criminals who feel free to throw bottles at people's heads, in a stadium where the authorities are incapable of enforcing crowd control measures. I suggest people here might give that a little thought before they post any more bile.
However, while those vilifying Joe range from unwise to bitter, those condoning the attacks on the referee are scum. You know who you are. If you have any doubt, get back to me and I'll tell you to your face that you are low-lifes who have no place in any civilised community, never mind a sporting organisation.
If you want examples of how decent GAA people behave in the aftermath of what took place yesterday, read the posts of MidLouth and Louth Exile.
Oh – the match. A super performance from Louth, but a very disappointing display by Meath. The win was undeserved. I feel very bad for the Louth supporters and our Louth contingent here and, like the rest of Meath, I'm not celebrating. Most of all I'm disappointed that our team doesn't seem to be going anywhere and our management doesn't seem to know what to do on the sideline. But I'm not, as some sad lunatics here suggest I should be, ashamed of anything because of where I come from. I didn't do anything to be ashamed of. Neither did the Meath team nor any of its players.
A rematch? Reverse the result? Someone from Croke Park calls to Navan for the cup and brings it to Dundalk? I don't really give a shite. I'd welcome a rematch as an opportunity for the team to find its way and to get another bit of championship level exposure before the QF or qualifier. And because it would be the generous thing to do. Though the more I hear demands that Meath Co. Board should take responsibility for the officiating mistakes, the more I'm inclined to say "f**k off".
But it'll be interesting to see the posts of the hysterical ould wans here when next a team gains or loses a score that determines a match result because of an officiating error. Will they be calling for replays of them all or will they be explaining why one score wrongly allowed or disallowed in one match is more important than another in a different match? I'll be watching with interest.
Actually, no – I won't. You can guess why.
PS – Dara from Croke Park Communications Department just called back. I'm delighted to report the steward is OK. No major injury – just shaken.
Joe isnt exactly innoncent, he dived over the line, no one else, also his aftermatch comments are a disgrace, it was a clear goal, blah lieing through his teeth, the man clearly hasnt a honest bone in his body, the other thing was him laughing going off the pitch, and he will be celebrating this one, the man has no conscience or compassion for louth, which lacks class in my book.
Its certainly not meath fault but there no need to lie about or rub it in people faces either as what joe did.
I dont boo free takers and it does annoy me but its a free country, if fans pay 30 euro and they want to boo let them, its no big deal and works against them anyway.
The only incident i condemn yday is the bottle thrown at the steward (im glad to hear hes ok), the rest as far as im concerned was handbags and intimidation and is been blown of all proportion imo. Assault is not how i would describe it.
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 03:36:03 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:20:02 PM
Well, I've seen some hysteria in my time, but this takes the biscuit. It would be funny if it wasn't gut-churningly hypocritical and cynical.
The most important thing that happened in Croke Park yesterday was that a voluntary steward was hit on the head with a bottle and could have been killed. I still don't know how he is today. I scanned the papers and listened to the radio in vain. I read the 71 pages of this thread, but no news. I called Croke Park but just got a voicemail. I left a message asking about his well-being but I haven't heard back yet.
Yet people here are capable of getting hysterical and invoking the human rights commission to reverse an erroneous decision in a football match. ONE erroneous decision among many, each of which had its influence on the outcome, regardless of the time they happened or whether they were given against a team in its first final for 50 years or the other team. People are screaming about "injustice" and "outrage" and "rights" and such shite. It was a game of football. Sport is like that.
I laughed when soccer was doing this to itself last winter. I'm sad that we seem to be just as ridiculous (and in some cases, worse than that) as a sporting community.
That stuff is just laughable, but the personal vilification of Joe Sheridan is unacceptable. People who should know better here should be ashamed of themselves and are no better than those setting up Facebook pages to vilify him. It's not acceptable within our GAA community and you know it.
For one thing, if there is to be a rematch, consider Joe's situation going out on the field in front of the animal element that infested the Louth support yesterday and the dangerous criminals who feel free to throw bottles at people's heads, in a stadium where the authorities are incapable of enforcing crowd control measures. I suggest people here might give that a little thought before they post any more bile.
However, while those vilifying Joe range from unwise to bitter, those condoning the attacks on the referee are scum. You know who you are. If you have any doubt, get back to me and I'll tell you to your face that you are low-lifes who have no place in any civilised community, never mind a sporting organisation.
If you want examples of how decent GAA people behave in the aftermath of what took place yesterday, read the posts of MidLouth and Louth Exile.
Oh – the match. A super performance from Louth, but a very disappointing display by Meath. The win was undeserved. I feel very bad for the Louth supporters and our Louth contingent here and, like the rest of Meath, I'm not celebrating. Most of all I'm disappointed that our team doesn't seem to be going anywhere and our management doesn't seem to know what to do on the sideline. But I'm not, as some sad lunatics here suggest I should be, ashamed of anything because of where I come from. I didn't do anything to be ashamed of. Neither did the Meath team nor any of its players.
A rematch? Reverse the result? Someone from Croke Park calls to Navan for the cup and brings it to Dundalk? I don't really give a shite. I'd welcome a rematch as an opportunity for the team to find its way and to get another bit of championship level exposure before the QF or qualifier. And because it would be the generous thing to do. Though the more I hear demands that Meath Co. Board should take responsibility for the officiating mistakes, the more I'm inclined to say "f**k off".
But it'll be interesting to see the posts of the hysterical ould wans here when next a team gains or loses a score that determines a match result because of an officiating error. Will they be calling for replays of them all or will they be explaining why one score wrongly allowed or disallowed in one match is more important than another in a different match? I'll be watching with interest.
Actually, no – I won't. You can guess why.
PS – Dara from Croke Park Communications Department just called back. I'm delighted to report the steward is OK. No major injury – just shaken.
Joe isnt exactly innoncent, he dived over the line, no one else, also his aftermatch comments are a disgrace, it was a clear goal, blah lieing through his teeth, the man clearly hasnt a honest bone in his body, the other thing was him laughing going off the pitch, and he will be celebrating this one, the man has no conscience or compassion for louth, which lacks class in my book.
Its certainly not meath fault but there no need to lie about or rub it in people faces either as what joe did.
I dont boo free takers and it does annoy me but its a free country, if fans pay 30 euro and they want to boo let them, its no big deal and works against them anyway.
The only incident i condemn yday is the bottle thrown at the steward (im glad to hear hes ok), the rest as far as im concerned was handbags and intimidation and is been blown of all proportion imo. Assault is not how i would describe it.
So you're ok with fellas coming on a pitch jostling a ref then? FFS what mindset or anger is inside these guys that they feel the right to attempt to meet out their own justice, you cannot justify it.
Sheridan took a chance during a game. Can't blame him for that. it was so outrageous he probably couldn't believe it wasn't spotted by the officials. That said he probably should have kept his counsel afterwards because he's come out with nothing but complete cobblers ever since in the media which reflects poorly on him.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 03:36:03 PM
The only incident i condemn yday is the bottle thrown at the steward (im glad to hear hes ok), the rest as far as im concerned was handbags and intimidation and is been blown of all proportion imo.
Disgraceful that you won't condemn what happened the ref too.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 03:36:03 PM
Assault is not how i would describe it.
Thankfully you're not the law.
A standard definition of assault:
an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 03:36:03 PM
The only incident i condemn yday is the bottle thrown at the steward (im glad to hear hes ok), the rest as far as im concerned was handbags and intimidation and is been blown of all proportion imo. Assault is not how i would describe it.
you still on here peddling your dung a day later? jesus wept
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
The poor oul pig :( It probably wasnt his fault he got stuck.
Hardy, what do you think of the after-match actions of Joe, and his "perfect goal"?
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/0c/37/3e/18f573e98003c90277b619944740cc019deaebe263.jpg)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 12, 2010, 03:43:51 PM
Sheridan took a chance during a game. Can't blame him for that. it was so outrageous he probably couldn't believe it wasn't spotted by the officials. That said he probably should have kept his counsel afterwards because he's come out with nothing but complete cobblers ever since in the media which reflects poorly on him.
I wouldn't blame him for what happened but he should have kept his mouth shut after the game was over.
Also as for the scenes with the ref after the match, if people don't view that as assult then God help this country.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
+1 , despicable that clowns like him are a part of the GAA
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 12, 2010, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 03:36:03 PM
The only incident i condemn yday is the bottle thrown at the steward (im glad to hear hes ok), the rest as far as im concerned was handbags and intimidation and is been blown of all proportion imo.
Disgraceful that you won't condemn what happened the ref too.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 03:36:03 PM
Assault is not how i would describe it.
Thankfully you're not the law.
A standard definition of assault:
an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact
Well then all sports are assault so. Will de jong be done after his karate kick? Was that a million miles worse than what any louth fan did.
As far as im concerned the ref brought it on himself, no sympathy for him whatsoever.
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 03:50:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
The poor oul pig :( It probably wasnt his fault he got stuck.
Hardy, what do you think of the after-match actions of Joe, and his "perfect goal"?
Hound, I'm reluctant to get involved in discussing Joe, on the basis that it just extends the opportunities for more outrageous slander to be posted here that shouldn't be, keeping in mind that we have a situation where people (I use the term loosely) are setting up vilification websites, ffs.
Joe has said or done nothing wrong, or, in my opinion, even unwise. Of course, it's neither here nor there, but I happen to know Joe is an exceptional man by any standards, not a cheat, and one of the most honourable and decent people you could meet.
Barney, if you have done nothing wrong why would you believe you have gotten away with something???
Hardy - you have to allow for the circumstances - such a horrendous decision by an arrogant bastard of a ref who won't consult his umpires and is not fit enough to be near enough to the action and has 'previous' for causing mayhem - then decided to be such a conceited p***k that he starts taking the names of players clearly deeply upset by HIS arrogant behaviour. He thus makes himself available to the hotheads(which every county has) so that they can take a poke at him.
Idiot though he was the assaults are still inexcusable and those identified should be dealt with.
An other idiot is Joe Sheridan who should have avoided provoking further outrage by claiming it as a legitimate goal and appearing to gloat over his 'steal'
Can ye people not see what really was happening after the match? Those "supporters" attacking the ref were obviously dirty Dubs wearing Louth jersey's that they'd stolen.
They went too hard on the gear for the last few days and arrived on the wrong day for their match. They attacked the ref cause he was wrecking their buzz.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 02:04:22 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 12, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
Ah come on Sligonian there is absolutely no excuse for that carry on. The referee did make a monumental c**k up but he still should not be subjected to that sort of intimidation from mindless eejits.
Louth were robbed of what would've been their greatest day in donkey's years so you can understand the level of fustration of people but you have to show a level of self control - for me Peter Fitzpatrick deserves a lot of credit for his actions. The footage of the young Louth garsún in tears when what I presume was his father was being held by a security guard was heartbreaking. That man should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
It was no c**k up, ffs if he wanted to give louth fair play he would of asked the umpires. In no way was this a mistake. Its far to PC and Niave to give the ref that excuse.
Ive never even come close to this with refs but fck me i can understand. If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done.
When people can't control their emotions and how it affects their behaviour - most societies lock em up.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:59:05 PM
Joe has said or done nothing wrong, or, in my opinion, even unwise. Of course, it's neither here nor there, but I happen to know Joe is an exceptional man by any standards, not a cheat, and one of the most honourable and decent people you could meet.
Fair enough and its only a very small minority who would have issue with what he did on the pitch while putting the ball in the net. Its not his fault the officials were incompetent.
However, personally I think him telling people he scored a perfectly good goal is very unwise and leaves himself wide open for people to question his honour and decency.
I dont think Joe is cheat, he dived for the line but did try to get his foot to it but failed. I also think setting up websites to vilify him is not right and shouldnt not be allowed. But my opinion on his reaction still stands. You cant deny he lied about the goal and wasnt inciting hatred with his fist pumping and grin.
Hardy I am from Armagh and would have to agree with your post. I do not blame Meath for what happened yesterday .
Joe Sheridan did not deliberately dive over the line , he fell over it and yes he threw the ball into the net .. It was no goal plain and simple . The referee made an extremely bad call as did the umpires whom I still wonder what exactly is their role.
Even if they had stated to Sludden that the ball was carried over the line etc would it have any weight . Have they any power to suggest that . I dont think so . Nor do they have any say on the square ball issue or the penalty. Umpires only judge on whether the ball crossed the line which it did albeit illegally but that is not for them to decide.
They can only report to the referee the issue of off the ball foul-play and whether or not the ball has went between the post or under the posts etc.
They should have raised the green flag irrespective . It was soley up to Sludden to disallow it.
I was in a pub in Enniskillen on my way to the qualifier match between Armagh and Fermanagh and everyone was cheering on Louth. However when sludden was pushed and grappled there was total disgust
I have every sympathy for Louth and would to have seen them win not because I am anti Meath but for , like most the underdog and good for the game etc.
I have no sympathy for the louts who came on to the field to attack The referee . You have made us a laughing stock (if it wasnt so serious) catch yourselves on . Major games in any other sport do not end in this country like that. To be fair this was a disaster waiting to happen.
Peter McKenna , Croke park official on the radio stated that the protection of the ref was adequately addressed . What planet are you living ion Peter. It was a good 40 secs which is quite a long time in a situation like this before a guard got near him.
If you ask me he was lucky wasnt seriously injured.
If you think what happened the referee can be condoned in any way then you are not a gael in any snense of the word .
take the ball back to the bog where you belong . For me the mask slipped yesterday. In every county there are those individuals who would condone this type of behaviour and can live easily with it. Not in my game you dont do it not in my sport and never in my name
Hardy you are correct in what you say.
Louth you have brought a breath of fresh air to the championship. stand back and take a cold hard look and take it on the chin. Regroup and come back into the qualifiers twice as determined you may well yet get your replay.
Tyrone did it to us in 2005
Much like the Thierry Henry incident, I have a feeling a lot of people will be looking back on their comments here in the weeks to come with a sense of mild embarrassment.
Oh to have played with all the lads here who were never awarded a soft free to level up a game, never went down a bit easy under a challenge, never tried to get a man already on a yellow another one, never pulled a mans jersey, never shouted "Wide" at an umpire etc.
The level of hysteria both here, in the print media and on the airwaves is laughable.
I'm on the record saying it was a bad decision and I'd have no problem with a replay.
But the character assassination of Joe Sheridan, a decent young man from a fantastic GAA family is indicative of a trend whereby players are turned into pantomime villains primarily because it gives people a good excuse for an aul rant.
It'll be someone else next week no doubt.
Quote from: rionach 4 on July 12, 2010, 04:09:15 PM
Peter McKenna , Croke park official on the radio stated that the protection of the ref was adequately addressed . What planet are you living ion Peter. It was a good 40 secs which is quite a long time in a situation like this before a guard got near him.
McKenna's a dick of the highest order. Dubs have been saying it for quite a while but many are catching on now.
The lack of security was scandalous, and purely down to a cost cutting exercise on McKenna's part. For him to come out and say it was perfectly adequate was a disgrace. In his next breath he blamed Fitzpatrick for causing the pitch invasion because Fitzpatrick wanted to talk to ref!
Quote from: Puckoon on July 12, 2010, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 02:04:22 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 12, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
Ah come on Sligonian there is absolutely no excuse for that carry on. The referee did make a monumental c**k up but he still should not be subjected to that sort of intimidation from mindless eejits.
Louth were robbed of what would've been their greatest day in donkey's years so you can understand the level of fustration of people but you have to show a level of self control - for me Peter Fitzpatrick deserves a lot of credit for his actions. The footage of the young Louth garsún in tears when what I presume was his father was being held by a security guard was heartbreaking. That man should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
It was no c**k up, ffs if he wanted to give louth fair play he would of asked the umpires. In no way was this a mistake. Its far to PC and Niave to give the ref that excuse.
Ive never even come close to this with refs but fck me i can understand. If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done.
When people can't control their emotions and how it affects their behaviour - most societies lock em up.
Well i couldnt control my emotions that day because i went ballistic in a very positive way. Never got close to running on to a pitch after a ref tbh as you have to control yourself and think of the consequences, i have shouted in abuse at refs as we all have in our lifetime, but i think it was unconcious reaction yday, they just lost the run of themselves, they should be punished but not banned for life as it wasnt assault. Maybe 48 weeks or something like that.
I suppose Sludden should have sprinted out of there like a scalded cat, but I guess he had a few more names to write down.
Fwiw, if Meath want to offer a replay, fine but Louth should accept the result and go into the qualifiers. The after-match shenanigans were the by far the greatest slur against the GAA yesterday. I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery. Now the spectre of pitch invasions by disgruntled louts intent on despoiling the game looms large.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 12, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
Ah come on Sligonian there is absolutely no excuse for that carry on. The referee did make a monumental c**k up but he still should not be subjected to that sort of intimidation from mindless eejits.
Louth were robbed of what would've been their greatest day in donkey's years so you can understand the level of fustration of people but you have to show a level of self control - for me Peter Fitzpatrick deserves a lot of credit for his actions. The footage of the young Louth garsún in tears when what I presume was his father was being held by a security guard was heartbreaking. That man should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
It was no c**k up, ffs if he wanted to give louth fair play he would of asked the umpires. In no way was this a mistake. Its far to PC and Niave to give the ref that excuse.
Ive never even come close to this with refs but fck me i can understand. If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done.
When people can't control their emotions and how it affects their behaviour - most societies lock em up.
Well i couldnt control my emotions that day because i went ballistic in a very positive way. Never got close to running on to a pitch after a ref tbh as you have to control yourself and think of the consequences, i have shouted in abuse at refs as we all have in our lifetime, but i think it was unconcious reaction yday, they just lost the run of themselves, they should be punished but not banned for life as it wasnt assault. Maybe 48 weeks or something like that.
What do you class as assault?
The Ref was pushed and pulled by fans and one guy in a black shirt gave him a dig into the lower back over near the tunnel after giving him a shoulder a few seconds before that..
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 12, 2010, 04:23:29 PM
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 12, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
Ah come on Sligonian there is absolutely no excuse for that carry on. The referee did make a monumental c**k up but he still should not be subjected to that sort of intimidation from mindless eejits.
Louth were robbed of what would've been their greatest day in donkey's years so you can understand the level of fustration of people but you have to show a level of self control - for me Peter Fitzpatrick deserves a lot of credit for his actions. The footage of the young Louth garsún in tears when what I presume was his father was being held by a security guard was heartbreaking. That man should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
It was no c**k up, ffs if he wanted to give louth fair play he would of asked the umpires. In no way was this a mistake. Its far to PC and Niave to give the ref that excuse.
Ive never even come close to this with refs but fck me i can understand. If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done.
When people can't control their emotions and how it affects their behaviour - most societies lock em up.
Well i couldnt control my emotions that day because i went ballistic in a very positive way. Never got close to running on to a pitch after a ref tbh as you have to control yourself and think of the consequences, i have shouted in abuse at refs as we all have in our lifetime, but i think it was unconcious reaction yday, they just lost the run of themselves, they should be punished but not banned for life as it wasnt assault. Maybe 48 weeks or something like that.
What do you class as assault?
The Ref was pushed and pulled by fans and one guy in a black shirt gave him a dig into the lower back over near the tunnel after giving him a shoulder a few seconds before that..
A intentional striking action (slap or closed fist) against someone was my interpretation of assault. But you have to connect aswell, if you dont connect it was attempted assault in my view.
If you were out on a saturday and went to garda station to say someone ran after ya and gave you a shoulder or pushed ya but they barely connected, theyd laugh.
I bet when the Ref & all those invading Fan's woke up this morning they would be thinking "i fcuked up big time"
I bet it's more like:
The ref: Why do I do this?
The scum: I could be going to jail.
(Me: I certainly hope so).
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 04:36:39 PM
I bet it's more like:
The ref: Why do I do this?
The scum: I could be going to jail.
(Me: I certainly hope so).
The ref has a great game, very few mentions of it. He has a bad game and he will never hear the end of it. An awful thankless job. All the more reason to introduce technology at the top level to take some of the pressure off the referees shoulders.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 03:56:52 PM
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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 03:36:03 PM
The only incident i condemn yday is the bottle thrown at the steward (im glad to hear hes ok), the rest as far as im concerned was handbags and intimidation and is been blown of all proportion imo.
Disgraceful that you won't condemn what happened the ref too.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 03:36:03 PM
Assault is not how i would describe it.
Thankfully you're not the law.
A standard definition of assault:
an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact
Well then all sports are assault so. Will de jong be done after his karate kick? Was that a million miles worse than what any louth fan did.
As far as im concerned the ref brought it on himself, no sympathy for him whatsoever.
If you can't differentiate between what happens on the field during a game and what happened after yesterday's game, there's not much point in debating the incident.
Quote from: rionach 4 on July 12, 2010, 04:09:15 PM
Peter McKenna , Croke park official on the radio stated that the protection of the ref was adequately addressed .
Maybe he was referring to the fact that Sludden was flanked by Marty Duffy... and Marty Duffy looks a bit like Barry McGuigan.
The referee hardly had an agenda against Louth to pursue. It was sheer incompetence rather than anything else, and at least he's admitted his mistake. FFS the man is an amateur who gives up his time and effort to come down to officiate games--whilst it's fine to criticise his performance for anyone to suggest that he deserves what he gets in being assaulted is an absolute disgrace and probably comes from someone who's never picked up a whistle in their life.
Ahhhh the GAA at its best. Sticking its head in the sand.
The GAA have confirmed that they have no powers to order a replay of the Leinster Senior Football final after a wrongly awarded goal gave Meath a controversial victory over Louth.
In a statement, the organisation confirmed that referee Martin Sludden acknowledged that he was wrong to let the goal stand but they have no powers to change the result.
But they do have power to go after players using video footage long after the game is over. But they do not have power to fix a wrong. Boy they really have opened up a can of worms for themselfs.
Quote from: pkerin on July 12, 2010, 05:10:49 PM
Ahhhh the GAA at its best. Sticking its head in the sand.
The GAA have confirmed that they have no powers to order a replay of the Leinster Senior Football final after a wrongly awarded goal gave Meath a controversial victory over Louth.
In a statement, the organisation confirmed that referee Martin Sludden acknowledged that he was wrong to let the goal stand but they have no powers to change the result.
But they do have power to go after players using video footage long after the game is over. But they do not have power to fix a wrong. Boy they really have opened up a can of worms for themselfs.
This is not news, and is not inconsistent. Even in that incident with Laois back in 1995 the GAA said they couldn't order a replay, so Laois offered one instead.
Well Meath are to meet tonight. Lets see what they do.
Awful carry on altogether.
My heart goes out to Sludden he made a monumental error and has to live with that for the rest of is life.
The vermin that attacked him should hang their headsi n shame and hopefully the jus=dge will throw the book at them.
Any truth that Sludden was so poorly protected was becausse the eventsec guys were at the Oxyegen festival?
If so poor once again from HQ.
The Larries would never have accepted that goal even if it meant winning a Leinster title.
Neither would Mayo if they were in Leinster. It would just not go with the torture of being Mayo footballers.
Quote from: Siggy on July 12, 2010, 05:30:15 PM
Awful carry on altogether.
My heart goes out to Sludden he made a monumental error and has to live with that for the rest of is life.
The vermin that attacked him should hang their headsi n shame and hopefully the jus=dge will throw the book at them.
Any truth that Sludden was so poorly protected was becausse the eventsec guys were at the Oxyegen festival?
If so poor once again from HQ.
In fairness to sludden he is not in the same league as John Denton. He will probably get big matches to ref again and the Louth tragedy will be just a memory. He won't be hated by generations of Louth people if they get a replay.
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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 02:04:22 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 12, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
Ah come on Sligonian there is absolutely no excuse for that carry on. The referee did make a monumental c**k up but he still should not be subjected to that sort of intimidation from mindless eejits.
Louth were robbed of what would've been their greatest day in donkey's years so you can understand the level of fustration of people but you have to show a level of self control - for me Peter Fitzpatrick deserves a lot of credit for his actions. The footage of the young Louth garsún in tears when what I presume was his father was being held by a security guard was heartbreaking. That man should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
It was no c**k up, ffs if he wanted to give louth fair play he would of asked the umpires. In no way was this a mistake. Its far to PC and Niave to give the ref that excuse.
Ive never even come close to this with refs but fck me i can understand. If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done.
When people can't control their emotions and how it affects their behaviour - most societies lock em up.
Well i couldnt control my emotions that day because i went ballistic in a very positive way. Never got close to running on to a pitch after a ref tbh as you have to control yourself and think of the consequences, i have shouted in abuse at refs as we all have in our lifetime, but i think it was unconcious reaction yday, they just lost the run of themselves, they should be punished but not banned for life as it wasnt assault. Maybe 48 weeks or something like that.
What do you class as assault?
The Ref was pushed and pulled by fans and one guy in a black shirt gave him a dig into the lower back over near the tunnel after giving him a shoulder a few seconds before that..
A intentional striking action (slap or closed fist) against someone was my interpretation of assault. But you have to connect aswell, if you dont connect it was attempted assault in my view.
If you were out on a saturday and went to garda station to say someone ran after ya and gave you a shoulder or pushed ya but they barely connected, theyd laugh.
Sligonian the sad thing here is that you're not even takin the piss. Happy for Sligo in general to have performed so well this year but you do them no favours spoutin shite like that.
QuoteSligonian the sad thing here is that you're not even takin the piss. Happy for Sligo in general to have performed so well this year but you do them no favours spoutin shite like that.
I don't agree with sligonian but that's a nonsense post.
I wouldn't really call Sheridan a cheat, I don't blame him for diving over the line or arguing with the ref and umpire that it was a goal, all heat of the moment stuff but someone really needs to tell him to stop talking to the media, if he can't be honest. He's doing himself no favours and is adding fuel to the fire.
I am getting very sick of the spindoctors in the GAA today trying to make this all about a half dozen drunken morons who don't appear to own any GAA tops (red t-shirts and rugby jersies, I don't believe they are GAA followers at all).
The GAA is trying to take the heat off themselves and their officials. I do not condone the actions of the Louth idiots who ran on the pitch after the ref, but one of the shoulders looked softer than one on this man
(http://www.gaelgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/john-morrison.jpg)
by this man
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where was the GAA spindoctors distraction tatics outrage then?
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
What a very silly response. What the hell has the squealing of a stuck pig got to do with anything.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 12, 2010, 06:26:27 PM
I am getting very sick of the spindoctors in the GAA today trying to make this all about a half dozen drunken morons who don't appear to own any GAA tops (red t-shirts and rugby jersies, I don't believe they are GAA followers at all).
The GAA is trying to take the heat off themselves and their officials. I do not condone the actions of the Louth idiots who ran on the pitch after the ref, but one of the shoulders looked softer than one on this man
(http://www.gaelgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/john-morrison.jpg)
by this man
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/00004d4d10dr.jpg)
where was the GAA spindoctors distraction tatics outrage then?
Pillar shouldered Mercenary #2 in the back, was reported for it, the relevant body proposed a sanction and it was accepted.
Wherein lies the confusion or need for 'distraction tactics outrage'?
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 12, 2010, 06:26:27 PM
I am getting very sick of the spindoctors in the GAA today trying to make this all about a half dozen drunken morons who don't appear to own any GAA tops (red t-shirts and rugby jersies, I don't believe they are GAA followers at all).
The GAA is trying to take the heat off themselves and their officials. I do not condone the actions of the Louth idiots who ran on the pitch after the ref, but one of the shoulders looked softer than one on this man
(http://www.gaelgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/john-morrison.jpg)
by this man
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/00004d4d10dr.jpg)
where was the GAA spindoctors distraction tatics outrage then?
Pillar shouldered Mercenary #2 in the back, was reported for it, the relevant body proposed a sanction and it was accepted.
Wherein lies the confusion or need for 'distraction tactics outrage'?
Yip but no one was calling for
the Gardai other Gardai to get involved or to stop managers from entering the field of play.
I firmly believe the GAA spindoctors are on overdrive to distract people from the major balls up of a goal that never was and a title that went to the wrong county.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
Nice deflection. What is embarrassing for me is the sheer lack of good grace from some of the Meath fans I've spoken to. They say Kerrymen are the cutest hoors out there, well some meath men aren't far off it. Even last night there was nothing said about the refereeing shambles that exists in the GAA. We have officials standing at each goal who have no basic knowledge of the rules. We may as well go to Dublin Zoo and hire a couple of chimpanzees for the day to do umpire because they have no powers and are as blind as Stevie Wonder with a bag over his head.
I've already said the louth muppets should get a lifetime ban. You can't lay a hand on a ref anywhere. Even if a team were metaphorically takiing it up the ass for 60 mins you cannot lay a finger on a ref.Those idiots probably have no connection with any Gaa club and are an example of the sort of muppets who get access to tickets through Knackermaster. I see enough of these tulips on the Hill and they constantly bring shame on all the decent GAA fans out there. The simple solution to pitch invasions is to do with the Aussies do. Anyone caught tresspassing on the field of play in Australia gets a 5k fine. That would soften the cough of those clowns yesterday. They'd probably ask the social welfare to pay it for them. Probably 3 and a half braincells between the lot of them.
However the GAA are using the aftermath to deflect away from the refereeing shambles that exists in the GAA and focus on the aftermath instead of alloting some level of time to how in Gods creation that goal was ever allowed to stand. Where is the quality control in refereeing circles?
Sheridan has proven himself to be a prize pratt in the aftermath. Seems like an individual who likes the limelight. Should be doing PR for the Iraqi Regime such is his resonance with Comical Ali. I don't blame him in claiming it was a goal at the time. But in the aftermath can he not keep his mouth shut? What happened to honesty , dececy and a bit of respect for the opposition. Or is that another pre- Celtic Tiger custom? Trying to still claim it was a goal is embarrassing for him and Meath football in general. Jaysus I'd be sick to the pit of my stomach if a Dublin player was at the same thing.
Meath have to offer a replay I'd be appalled if they don't. A replay they will win in my view. Far nicer to be drinking out of the Delaney Cup after winning fair and square.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 07:18:29 PM
Did Dublin offer Tyrone a replay in 95?
I hope to God Meath tell them to get stuffed.
for a 50/50 decision? Give me a break Trying to equate the two is embarrassing.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 07:18:29 PM
Did Dublin offer Tyrone a replay in 95?
I hope to God Meath tell them to get stuffed.
Why hardstation?
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
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Quote from: INDIANA on July 12, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
Nice deflection.
What are you prattling about?
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What is embarrassing for me is the sheer lack of good grace from some of the Meath fans I've spoken to. They say Kerrymen are the cutest hoors out there, well some meath men aren't far off it.
Some Dublin people are criminals and crack heads. Your point?
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Sheridan has proven himself to be a prize pratt in the aftermath. Seems like an individual who likes the limelight. Should be doing PR for the Iraqi Regime such is his resonance with Comical Ali. I don't blame him in claiming it was a goal at the time. But in the aftermath can he not keep his mouth shut? What happened to honesty , dececy and a bit of respect for the opposition. Or is that another pre- Celtic Tiger custom? Trying to still claim it was a goal is embarrassing for him and Meath football in general. Jaysus I'd be sick to the pit of my stomach if a Dublin player was at the same thing.
What have you heard from Joe Sheridan since his interview in the dressingroom within minutes of the game? Even if he's still saying the same today, is he not entitled to give his opinion in answer to a question?
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Meath have to offer a replay
Meath don't have to do anything, least of all take responsibility for someone else's erroneous decisions. If they do offer a replay (and I wouldn't blame them if they dig their heels in in the face of DEMANDS that they do), it will be an act of good will.
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I'd be appalled if they don't.
And we'd get over that.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 12, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
Those idiots probably have no connection with any Gaa club and are an example of the sort of muppets who get access to tickets through Knackermaster.
That's a bit of a broad brush. I've bought my Ulster final tickets off TM. I'll have been to a lot more games than plenty who secure their tickets through the clubs. And I have no plans to deck the ref, regardless of what happens next weekend.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
Apologising for the action of those blaggards does not assume responsibility for them.
Sludden does not nor should have to apologise for his refereeing. I am sure he will see he made a big mistake. The responsibility for his refereeing is with the GAA who appointed him. After the game he was subject to vile attacks. All in all a black day for the GAA and as I am not from Louth (but seriously wanted then to win), I'd regard the attacks as the most serious aspect.
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Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 12, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
Nice deflection.
What are you prattling about?
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What is embarrassing for me is the sheer lack of good grace from some of the Meath fans I've spoken to. They say Kerrymen are the cutest hoors out there, well some meath men aren't far off it.
Some Dublin people are criminals and crack heads. Your point?
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Sheridan has proven himself to be a prize pratt in the aftermath. Seems like an individual who likes the limelight. Should be doing PR for the Iraqi Regime such is his resonance with Comical Ali. I don't blame him in claiming it was a goal at the time. But in the aftermath can he not keep his mouth shut? What happened to honesty , dececy and a bit of respect for the opposition. Or is that another pre- Celtic Tiger custom? Trying to still claim it was a goal is embarrassing for him and Meath football in general. Jaysus I'd be sick to the pit of my stomach if a Dublin player was at the same thing.
What have you heard from Joe Sheridan since his interview in the dressingroom within minutes of the game? Even if he's still saying the same today, is he not entitled to give his opinion in answer to a question?
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Meath have to offer a replay
Meath don't have to do anything, least of all take responsibility for someone else's erroneous decisions. If they do offer a replay (and I wouldn't blame them if they dig their heels in in the face of DEMANDS that they do), it will be an act of good will.
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I'd be appalled if they don't.
And we'd get over that.
If you can't see the difference between a player chancing his arm in a match and contuining a charade of protesting it was a goal 24 hours later. Well who needs Max Clifford. Just ask a Meathman.
You're a bigger clown than I'd given you credit for and that's quite a feat, I can assure you.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 08:33:05 PM
You're a bigger clown than I'd given you credit for and that's quite a feat, I can assure you.
Thats all you have these days Hardy . Insults. The last doyen of someone who's lost the argument.
Again.
We're not having an argument. You're spouting nonsense. For instance, your last sentence isn't any form of English I understand. Do you actually know what a doyen is?
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
Who exactly were they representing then? Meath?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 12, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
Nice deflection. What is embarrassing for me is the sheer lack of good grace from some of the Meath fans I've spoken to. They say Kerrymen are the cutest hoors out there, well some meath men aren't far off it. Even last night there was nothing said about the refereeing shambles that exists in the GAA. We have officials standing at each goal who have no basic knowledge of the rules. We may as well go to Dublin Zoo and hire a couple of chimpanzees for the day to do umpire because they have no powers and are as blind as Stevie Wonder with a bag over his head.
I've already said the louth muppets should get a lifetime ban. You can't lay a hand on a ref anywhere. Even if a team were metaphorically takiing it up the ass for 60 mins you cannot lay a finger on a ref.Those idiots probably have no connection with any Gaa club and are an example of the sort of muppets who get access to tickets through Knackermaster. I see enough of these tulips on the Hill and they constantly bring shame on all the decent GAA fans out there. The simple solution to pitch invasions is to do with the Aussies do. Anyone caught tresspassing on the field of play in Australia gets a 5k fine. That would soften the cough of those clowns yesterday. They'd probably ask the social welfare to pay it for them. Probably 3 and a half braincells between the lot of them.
However the GAA are using the aftermath to deflect away from the refereeing shambles that exists in the GAA and focus on the aftermath instead of alloting some level of time to how in Gods creation that goal was ever allowed to stand. Where is the quality control in refereeing circles?
Sheridan has proven himself to be a prize pratt in the aftermath. Seems like an individual who likes the limelight. Should be doing PR for the Iraqi Regime such is his resonance with Comical Ali. I don't blame him in claiming it was a goal at the time. But in the aftermath can he not keep his mouth shut? What happened to honesty , dececy and a bit of respect for the opposition. Or is that another pre- Celtic Tiger custom? Trying to still claim it was a goal is embarrassing for him and Meath football in general. Jaysus I'd be sick to the pit of my stomach if a Dublin player was at the same thing.
Meath have to offer a replay I'd be appalled if they don't. A replay they will win in my view. Far nicer to be drinking out of the Delaney Cup after winning fair and square.
Jesus would you stop.
Question, and I am in no way trying to deflect from what went on
was there a reply of the goal shown directly after it? did the replay of the goal inflame the situation?
surely in contentious decisions a reply shouldn't be shown, something that needs to be taken board
Joe Sheridan I heard interviewed and he sounds like a Dub and has none of those lovable Meath rs. Where did it all go wrong?
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 08:36:25 PM
We're not having an argument. You're spouting nonsense. For instance, your last sentence isn't any form of English I understand. Do you actually know what a doyen is?
I do. Its the senior member of a group. ie you in this case. As the senior member of the group of Meath people still trying to pass this off as "just another incident". Could some of your players rub the Louth's players faces in the mud anymore? The Louth players are the real victims in all of this. A largely soccer dominated urban centre on the cusp of something great. Could have changed the whole Gaa landscape in Louth itself. Taken away from them.
Its not just about the louts at the end as some people would have us believe.
Joe actually had an English accent that he has gradually been losing. It seems to be nearly completely gone now. He was brought up in Birmingham.
He might sound like a Dub to you, Seafoid, but not to us or to Dubs.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 12, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Sligonian, I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for the squealing of a stuck pig. You are one of those who seem to think it's excusable for people to attack a referee after a football match. On that account, I have zero time or respect for you.
Nice deflection. What is embarrassing for me is the sheer lack of good grace from some of the Meath fans I've spoken to. They say Kerrymen are the cutest hoors out there, well some meath men aren't far off it. Even last night there was nothing said about the refereeing shambles that exists in the GAA. We have officials standing at each goal who have no basic knowledge of the rules. We may as well go to Dublin Zoo and hire a couple of chimpanzees for the day to do umpire because they have no powers and are as blind as Stevie Wonder with a bag over his head.
I've already said the louth muppets should get a lifetime ban. You can't lay a hand on a ref anywhere. Even if a team were metaphorically takiing it up the ass for 60 mins you cannot lay a finger on a ref.Those idiots probably have no connection with any Gaa club and are an example of the sort of muppets who get access to tickets through Knackermaster. I see enough of these tulips on the Hill and they constantly bring shame on all the decent GAA fans out there. The simple solution to pitch invasions is to do with the Aussies do. Anyone caught tresspassing on the field of play in Australia gets a 5k fine. That would soften the cough of those clowns yesterday. They'd probably ask the social welfare to pay it for them. Probably 3 and a half braincells between the lot of them.
However the GAA are using the aftermath to deflect away from the refereeing shambles that exists in the GAA and focus on the aftermath instead of alloting some level of time to how in Gods creation that goal was ever allowed to stand. Where is the quality control in refereeing circles?
Sheridan has proven himself to be a prize pratt in the aftermath. Seems like an individual who likes the limelight. Should be doing PR for the Iraqi Regime such is his resonance with Comical Ali. I don't blame him in claiming it was a goal at the time. But in the aftermath can he not keep his mouth shut? What happened to honesty , dececy and a bit of respect for the opposition. Or is that another pre- Celtic Tiger custom? Trying to still claim it was a goal is embarrassing for him and Meath football in general. Jaysus I'd be sick to the pit of my stomach if a Dublin player was at the same thing.
Meath have to offer a replay I'd be appalled if they don't. A replay they will win in my view. Far nicer to be drinking out of the Delaney Cup after winning fair and square.
Jesus would you stop.
Stop what? He should be down in Murphy's laughter Lounge! Or better still do PR for Cowen. With conviction like that he could convince voters to even vote FF in the next election. We get the message now. It was a Goal. ::)
Quote from: INDIANA on July 12, 2010, 08:47:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 08:36:25 PM
We're not having an argument. You're spouting nonsense. For instance, your last sentence isn't any form of English I understand. Do you actually know what a doyen is?
I do. Its the senior member of a group. ie you in this case. As the senior member of the group of Meath people still trying to pass this off as "just another incident".
A fine effort. So how does "the last senior member of a group of someone who's lost the argument" parse? You meant bastion or refuge, didn't you?
Quotecould some of your players rub the Louth's players faces in the mud anymore? The Louth players are the real victims in all of this. A largely soccer dominated urban centre on the cusp of something great. Could have changed the whole Gaa landscape in Louth itself. Taken away from them.
Its not just about the louts at the end as some people would have us believe.
Jesus I'm nearly in tears here. Cop on to yourself.
Quote from: Elias on July 12, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
Who exactly were they representing then? Meath?
Yes they were representing Meath ::)
They were neither, players, management or officials of the county of Louth. Nor were they representative of the majority of us who managed to keep our anger in check! Should we all be tainted because of the actions of a few? I have said it before and I'll say it again, every county has its lunatic fringe, ours got out on the pitch yesterday!
Sheridan from England eh, thats where he gets the rugby then, I hear Martin Johnsons looking for him for the World cup, well it was good enough for Jack Charleton
Jaysis I'm aytin meself laughin at that. You're a scream. Do you write this stuff solo or are you a team of chimps?
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 07:44:37 PM
What have you heard from Joe Sheridan since his interview in the dressingroom within minutes of the game? Even if he's still saying the same today, is he not entitled to give his opinion in answer to a question?
His 'opinion' is that he definitely kicked the ball over the line? Sorry, he's entitled to his own opinion but he is not entitled to his own facts
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 08:48:18 PM
Joe actually had an English accent that he has gradually been losing. It seems to be nearly completely gone now. He was brought up in Birmingham.
He might sound like a Dub to you, Seafoid, but not to us or to Dubs.
Thanks for that Hardy but I didn't get that Nobber accent buzz from the bit I listened to. My understanding is that the boundaries between Mead and Dub are a bit blurred nowadays anyway with the spread of suburbia . Are the Norman pronunciations holding up in outposts such as Dunshaughlin ?
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: Elias on July 12, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
Who exactly were they representing then? Meath?
Yes they were representing Meath ::)
They were neither, players, management or officials of the county of Louth. Nor were they representative of the majority of us who managed to keep our anger in check! Should we all be tainted because of the actions of a few? I have said it before and I'll say it again, every county has its lunatic fringe, ours got out on the pitch yesterday!
I disagree. The unfortunate thing about idiots like we seen yesterday is that it tarnishes the good name of the vast majority of Louth supporters in Croke Park. As you rightly allude to every county has their share of these muppets but whenever these people make the headlines for the wrong reasons it ultimately reflects back on the county they came to support.
Sorry, Deiseach, but I haven't heard him say he definitely kicked the ball over the line. Can you point me to that?
In any case, an opinion on the definitiveness of something is still an opinion, isn't it?
Quote from: TYRONE HACK on July 12, 2010, 08:57:45 PM
Sheridan from England eh, thats where he gets the rugby then, I hear Martin Johnsons looking for him for the World cup, well it was good enough for Jack Charleton
No try. Clear forward pass and big Joe didn't ground the ball correctly.
Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2010, 09:02:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 08:48:18 PM
Joe actually had an English accent that he has gradually been losing. It seems to be nearly completely gone now. He was brought up in Birmingham.
He might sound like a Dub to you, Seafoid, but not to us or to Dubs.
Thanks for that Hardy but I didn't get that Nobber accent buzz from the bit I listened to. My understanding is that the boundaries between Mead and Dub are a bit blurred nowadays anyway with the spread of suburbia . Are the Norman pronunciations holding up in outposts such as Dunshaughlin ?
No better than anywhere else, unfortunately. Accents will only last another generation or two, I'd say. Global pop culture and communications are now a bigger influence than the accent of a locality.
I hear young wans down the road here in Passage talking about going denn to see their careers canceller.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: Elias on July 12, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
Who exactly were they representing then? Meath?
Yes they were representing Meath ::)
They were neither, players, management or officials of the county of Louth. Nor were they representative of the majority of us who managed to keep our anger in check! Should we all be tainted because of the actions of a few? I have said it before and I'll say it again, every county has its lunatic fringe, ours got out on the pitch yesterday!
Peter Fitzpatrick apologised to Sludden on TV3 on behalf of Louth County Board, supporters and players.
I've heard from 2 sources that a replay is going to be offered. Don't know exactly how trustworthy these are but they are the 1st murmurs I've heard tonight.
Quote from: thejuice on July 12, 2010, 09:10:08 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: Elias on July 12, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
Who exactly were they representing then? Meath?
Yes they were representing Meath ::)
They were neither, players, management or officials of the county of Louth. Nor were they representative of the majority of us who managed to keep our anger in check! Should we all be tainted because of the actions of a few? I have said it before and I'll say it again, every county has its lunatic fringe, ours got out on the pitch yesterday!
Peter Fitzpatrick apologised to Sludden on TV3 on behalf of Louth County Board, supporters and players.
I've heard from 2 sources that a replay is going to be offered. Don't know exactly how trustworthy these are but they are the 1st murmurs I've heard tonight.
The Gaa has told the Meath county board CP on Sunday is available. Good source.
Hardy
Will they have careers to go to though? I wonder about the accents too. There is a mobile portion of the population that isn't rooted anywhere that may speak in other than a local accent but other than that I'd say the accents have a fair chance. I can't see the default Irish accent going Dort. It's too shalla like.
Quote from: Elias on July 12, 2010, 09:03:18 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: Elias on July 12, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
Who exactly were they representing then? Meath?
Yes they were representing Meath ::)
They were neither, players, management or officials of the county of Louth. Nor were they representative of the majority of us who managed to keep our anger in check! Should we all be tainted because of the actions of a few? I have said it before and I'll say it again, every county has its lunatic fringe, ours got out on the pitch yesterday!
I disagree. The unfortunate thing about idiots like we seen yesterday is that it tarnishes the good name of the vast majority of Louth supporters in Croke Park. As you rightly allude to every county has their share of these muppets but whenever these people make the headlines for the wrong reasons it ultimately reflects back on the county they came to support.
I know that, but I also have just about enough faith left in me to believe that most right minded people will see that they are not representative of the great and proud loyal football support that there has always been in the county. There are of course the likes of Hardstation who believes that we should all pay for their sins.
Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2010, 09:13:40 PM
Hardy
Will they have careers to go to though? I wonder about the accents too. There is a mobile portion of the population that isn't rooted anywhere that may speak in other than a local accent but other than that I'd say the accents have a fair chance. I can't see the default Irish accent going Dort. It's too shalla like.
Whats more funny is the country people who attempt to acquire the Dort accent while living in Dublin. Beyond hilarious.
Quote from: thejuice on July 12, 2010, 09:10:08 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: Elias on July 12, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
I hope the Louth co board have issued an unreserved apology to Sludden, and the GAA for those scenes and accept that there was absolutely no justification for those attempts at mindless thuggery.
I don't see how it is responsibility of the Louth County Board to apologies for the mindless actions of individuals who were not there representing our county! The county board should (and has) aided with the identifying of these individuals and bringing them to appropriate justice. As I posted earlier, an ex player was in contact with the man who struck Mark Ward to identitfy himself to the Gardai and he has done so.
Sludden should apologies to the Louth players and management who had this massive achievement stripped away from them due to his incompetence/arrogance/malevolence/panic. Nobody but he can answer why he did what he did!
Who exactly were they representing then? Meath?
Yes they were representing Meath ::)
They were neither, players, management or officials of the county of Louth. Nor were they representative of the majority of us who managed to keep our anger in check! Should we all be tainted because of the actions of a few? I have said it before and I'll say it again, every county has its lunatic fringe, ours got out on the pitch yesterday!
Peter Fitzpatrick apologised to Sludden on TV3 on behalf of Louth County Board, supporters and players.
Fair play to Fitzer, unecessary I would have thought, but fair play! Did Sludden thank him for saving him from even worse abuse from the savages. I would still like to see Sludden make a genuine apology for what he has done to us
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 09:03:43 PM
Sorry, Deiseach, but I haven't heard him say he definitely kicked the ball over the line. Can you point me to that?
In any case, an opinion on the definitiveness of something is still an opinion, isn't it?
Checking the quote, I can see he didn't say he kicked it in.
"It was a definite goal. People can otherwise, but I was well high in over the net. I just dropped the ball and it was in the net, simple as that."
But it wasn't a goal. The mere fact that he swung a leg at it tells us that he knew he had to kick it for it be a goal. Now, I can understand him doing it in the heat of the moment, but when he said what he said in the interview he should have been told that no, that's not a goal.
I'm not as optimistic as you, Seafoid, but I'm in a grumpy mood from finding myself and my people responsible for the shattered dreams of two generations of Louth people and for trying to deflect some of the opprobrium from poor Joe Sheridan who's being caricatured as the incarnation of Beelzebub. It's a heavy burden, so that could be it.
Good post, Muppet.
How would the Louth fans feel about a reply if one is offered?
Would it not be best to draw a line under this, admit the game was won by Meath by a terrible ref decision, in the knowledge that you should be Leinster Champions, and prepare for the qualifers?
Desieach, I don't think there's any evidence Joe saw the replay before he was interviewed. I only saw the one interview. He was still in his jersey. The only other quotes I saw were in this morning's papers, presumably again from the immediate aftermath.
In any case his having a different view of it from the generally accepted one is hardly a crime. People were attacked yesterday and the subject of the day is a footballer who thinks he scored a goal.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 09:19:29 PM
I'm not as optimistic as you, Seafoid, but I'm in a grumpy mood from finding myself and my people responsible for the shattered dreams of two generations of Louth people and for trying to deflect some of the opprobrium from poor Joe Sheridan who's being caricatured as the incarnation of Beelzebub. It's a heavy burden, so that could be it.
Good post, Muppet.
you're holding up well. There is nothing like the mortas cine even at times like this.As Supervalue say, real local passion or something. It's great to see fellas working on the accent like that. I think tom Humphries had a similar situation, brought over from Lahndan at a young age. .
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
Desieach, I don't think there's any evidence Joe saw the replay before he was interviewed. I only saw the one interview. He was still in his jersey. The only other quotes I saw were in this morning's papers, presumably again from the immediate aftermath.
In any case his having a different view of it from the generally accepted one is hardly a crime. People were attacked yesterday and the subject of the day is a footballer who thinks he scored a goal.
and knows he didn't . You forgot that bit. As for the aftermath. There are 3 Gaa investigations and likely prosecutions. Justice will be served in that quarter.
It won't be in the other. The fact that one supercedes the other ain't much consolation to the Louth players.
I didn't forget anything.
Decision on Meath v Louth replay – Live updates
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Quote from: Elias on July 12, 2010, 09:19:41 PM
How would the Louth fans feel about a reply if one is offered?
Would it not be best to draw a line under this, admit the game was won by Meath by a terrible ref decision, in the knowledge that you should be Leinster Champions, and prepare for the qualifers?
I think Meath offering the replay would be a hell of a gesture, but they should not be forced to do so. After that, well lets just say that my feelings on the situation seem to change by the hour, hard to keep the emotions on an even keel.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
Desieach, I don't think there's any evidence Joe saw the replay before he was interviewed. I only saw the one interview. He was still in his jersey. The only other quotes I saw were in this morning's papers, presumably again from the immediate aftermath.
He did have the best view of it, you know?
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 09:23:03 PMIn any case his having a different view of it from the generally accepted one is hardly a crime. People were attacked yesterday and the subject of the day is a footballer who thinks he scored a goal.
The reason it's being discussed is because nobody - well, not many - people dispute the wrongness of what those thugs did. Yet when Joe Sheridan says black is white, forgive those of us who dispute that.
How about the dubs beating Clare, Deiseach? Very impressive result.
Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2010, 09:41:57 PM
How about the dubs beating Clare, Deiseach? Very impressive result.
Anyone could beat that shower. Except for their Minors. They're ace
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Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
Desieach, I don't think there's any evidence Joe saw the replay before he was interviewed. I only saw the one interview. He was still in his jersey. The only other quotes I saw were in this morning's papers, presumably again from the immediate aftermath.
He did have the best view of it, you know?
Not necessarily, actually.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 09:23:03 PMIn any case his having a different view of it from the generally accepted one is hardly a crime. People were attacked yesterday and the subject of the day is a footballer who thinks he scored a goal.Quote
The reason it's being discussed is because nobody - well, not many - people dispute the wrongness of what those thugs did. Yet when Joe Sheridan says black is white, forgive those of us who dispute that.
I dispute it as well. I was discussing his right to a wrong opinion.
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 09:44:47 PM
I dispute it as well. I was discussing his right to a wrong opinion.
I wonder would you be so indulgent of someone who insisted on there being a flat Earth.
To be honest I don't know what Sheridan said, in context. I read some of it as 'it was a definite goal, the ref gave it so it must be'.
He described it himself fairly accurately, apart from the bit where he said it was a peno (I saw no foul there), so I don't think he's trying to say he kicked it or anything like that.
Either he feels he never really had control of it, thus it was more of a bundle over than a throw, or else he doesn't know the rule. Either way I don't think he ever said he kicked it into the net.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 12, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
QuoteSligonian the sad thing here is that you're not even takin the piss. Happy for Sligo in general to have performed so well this year but you do them no favours spoutin shite like that.
I don't agree with sligonian but that's a nonsense post.
I wouldn't really call Sheridan a cheat, I don't blame him for diving over the line or arguing with the ref and umpire that it was a goal, all heat of the moment stuff but someone really needs to tell him to stop talking to the media, if he can't be honest. He's doing himself no favours and is adding fuel to the fire.
Whats nonsense about it? Sligonian is letting down all Sligo fans with that drivel defending those thugs.
I agree with you re Sheridan. Getting undue criticism. Any player would have accepted a goal decision in that instance whether they knew it was a foul or not. His media comments were'nt the most diplomatic but he was put on the spot.
Quote from: deiseach on July 12, 2010, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 09:44:47 PM
I dispute it as well. I was discussing his right to a wrong opinion.
I wonder would you be so indulgent of someone who insisted on there being a flat Earth.
The extent of my indulgence would be dependant on a variety of factors. One would be whether I considered he was being unfairly pilloried for expressing the opinion, however much I disagreed with it.
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Paddy McKeever goal v Dublin in the 2002 semi made it into this debate yet? As close to Sheridan's effort as you're likely to see.
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QuoteCopyright Mike?? Cmon, thats been floating around the net since last night
Some of us have jobs to hold down during the day in this recession ;)
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QuoteCopyright Mike?? Cmon, thats been floating around the net since last night
Some of us have jobs to hold down during the day in this recession ;)
Well get a 'job' that get's you off the streets and in front of a pc!
Quote from: bennydorano on July 12, 2010, 10:00:40 PM
Paddy McKeever goal v Dublin in the 2002 semi made it into this debate yet? As close to Sheridan's effort as you're likely to see.
I was waiting on that...but Paddy's was a goal.
Quote from: ross matt on July 12, 2010, 09:50:42 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 12, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
QuoteSligonian the sad thing here is that you're not even takin the piss. Happy for Sligo in general to have performed so well this year but you do them no favours spoutin shite like that.
I don't agree with sligonian but that's a nonsense post.
I wouldn't really call Sheridan a cheat, I don't blame him for diving over the line or arguing with the ref and umpire that it was a goal, all heat of the moment stuff but someone really needs to tell him to stop talking to the media, if he can't be honest. He's doing himself no favours and is adding fuel to the fire.
Whats nonsense about it? Sligonian is letting down all Sligo fans with that drivel defending those thugs.
I agree with you re Sheridan. Getting undue criticism. Any player would have accepted a goal decision in that instance whether they knew it was a foul or not. His media comments were'nt the most diplomatic but he was put on the spot.
because we all speak for ourselves here and it's just silly to think the views of one person is a reflection on his county! You could just as well say he's letting down all Irish men or all Europeans with his talk.
phew, just got through the 55 pages! to throw my twopence worth in:
Ive no problem with replay though being honest think it will not make difference at all at this point. Whoever wins would still be tarnished now.
Went on the pitch and celebrated win as had no idea what had happened at the end (either the goal or the attacks, ws on hill) super feeling. then the news started coming.
that super feeling began to dwindle and this eve, nothing, crap for us as well as louth. The worst way to win a final and now, well I dont care if we keep the cup, replay or give it Louth. I just want Meath to go with next game and give their best.
After allowing the victory to prevail and every Meath player to lift the cup I find it so so surreal that today they wake up and have to make the choice of whether to give back their medals on the basis of a very bad ref decision.
Joe Sheridan is one of the nicest men I have met and what is being said here and everywhere alllll day long is way over the top. I have no doubt in my mind that Sheridans 'smiles' were simply relief on knowing Meath won it, with no expectation of what was to follow today. We all know that if a player tries his luck at the end of the game and gets it he is NOT going to admit he shouldnt have. Theres sense, and there is complete s**t. cop on, with a Leinster final medal on the way, why the hell would anyone ever do that, really? the quotes in paper today are from last nights reaction. Sheridan has not spoke to media. hopefully Meath offer replay or give cup to Louth. with the madness that come from it, I couldnt be arsed, we just want to play football. why we have to decide to give our medals back or not is beyond me. stand up GAA and make a proper decision for once. disgusting vile minority Louth behaviour. when I heard Boylan was hit it took the biscuit for me.
Meath fail to decide on replay offer
Monday, July 12, 2010 - 10:22 PM
Meath GAA officials baffled club delegates at tonight's County Board meeting outside Navan by failing to make any decision on whether or not to offer a replay to Louth.
Joe Sheridan's controversial injury-time goal earned the Royal County side their 21st Leinster SFC title at Croke Park yesterday, but there has been a groundswell of support for Louth to be given a rematch.
Television replays showed that Sheridan had carried the ball over the goal-line and the goal should have been allowed to stand. It was a crucial call by referee Martin Sludden, with Meath claiming a 1-12 to 1-10 victory.
At tonight's gathering outside Navan, Meath GAA chairman Barney Allen read the statement issued earlier today by the GAA to the delegates from 40-plus clubs in attendance, which outlined Sludden's admission that the goal was not a legitimate one.
Allen, Meath GAA vice chairman Eugene Comiskey and secretary Cyril Crevin emerged from a County Executive meeting 65 minutes later than scheduled. Allen then commenced the full County Committee meeting.
"The management committee have no decision made on offering a replay. We want a bit of time in relation to other matters being discussed," Allen stated.
He added: "We received no email with a copy of the referees' report (from Croke Park)."
There was a request to get a copy of the referees' report by Pat O'Neill from St. Colmcille's, the club of Meath forward Graham Reilly.
"We can't do anything if the referee doesn't give us the report," O'Neill said.
Meanwhile, it has emerged that the Meath players are also holding their own meeting tonight.
The Meath GAA officials are unlikely to reach a final decision on the possible offer of a replay, until receiving input from the players.
Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/sport/meath-fail-to-decide-on-replay-offer-465238.html#ixzz0tVRZoroL
Smacks of a complete fudge to me. Find an excuse to delay things for a day or two and see if things die down. They're only meeting in the first place because of the public outcry, they'd have happily brushed it under the carpet if they could. Very disappointing from Meath GAA.
for gods sake. why 'fudge and disapointment' they havent made a decision yet, theyre entitled to take their time. give them a chance to make their own minds and use abit of time to decide. gaas problem left in the hands of Meath to deal with.
Quote from: ross matt on July 12, 2010, 09:50:42 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 12, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
QuoteSligonian the sad thing here is that you're not even takin the piss. Happy for Sligo in general to have performed so well this year but you do them no favours spoutin shite like that.
I don't agree with sligonian but that's a nonsense post.
I wouldn't really call Sheridan a cheat, I don't blame him for diving over the line or arguing with the ref and umpire that it was a goal, all heat of the moment stuff but someone really needs to tell him to stop talking to the media, if he can't be honest. He's doing himself no favours and is adding fuel to the fire.
Whats nonsense about it? Sligonian is letting down all Sligo fans with that drivel defending those thugs.
I agree with you re Sheridan. Getting undue criticism. Any player would have accepted a goal decision in that instance whether they knew it was a foul or not. His media comments were'nt the most diplomatic but he was put on the spot.
I speak for myself is what POG getting at rossmatt, i dont represent the views of Sligo people in general. Everyone on here is entitled to their view and only represent themselves, and to be honest ross matt ive an understanding of the louth fans anger. So i think we should go easy on them but still punish them. Ive seen worse acts on a GAA field and they werent banned for life or given jail sentences which are complete overreactions. I can safely say ive never been involved in a negative incident on a GAA field, never even got booked in my whole playing days so ye cant say im as bad as them either.
It seems the Meath CB are waiting on the ref report before deciding and no decision will be made tonight. I think if Meath offer a replay they are well within there rights to get it played in Navan.
Quote from: meathie on July 12, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
for gods sake. why 'fudge and disapointment' they havent made a decision yet, theyre entitled to take their time. give them a chance to make their own minds and use abit of time to decide. gaas problem left in the hands of Meath to deal with.
That much I agree with but for Gods sake just do the decent thing and offer the replay, balls back in the GAAs court then, theres no good reason to go dragging it out for another night.
yes but this was all said earlier on rte sports. the Meath Co Board would prob not come to a conclusion this eve until they talked with someone in GAA on the matter of their decision. I dont think it being unfair that they wait until tomor if they need to.
Fitzpatrick was on Matt Cooper this evening complaining about 50 years of injustice. Not a good angle at all.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 11:29:26 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2010, 11:26:00 PM
Louth are not coming out of this well at all atall.
Sludden might be a dungbag but he didn't hit anyone.
If there is a replay (and I don't believe there should be), I will certainly be hoping that Meath stuff them. Add to that, if there is no replay, I will be supporting any team Louth play, for the rest of the championship.........and for years to come.
Hardstation, are you for real? ;)
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2010, 11:38:46 PM
Hardstation echoes my sentiments. They were the victim of an referee's mistake and his subsequent ignorance. Crap happens in sport, because that's what it is.
I like sport.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 11:41:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 12, 2010, 11:34:29 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 11:29:26 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2010, 11:26:00 PM
Louth are not coming out of this well at all atall.
Sludden might be a dungbag but he didn't hit anyone.
If there is a replay (and I don't believe there should be), I will certainly be hoping that Meath stuff them. Add to that, if there is no replay, I will be supporting any team Louth play, for the rest of the championship.........and for years to come.
Hardstation, are you for real? ;)
Yes. They really pissed me off yesterday.
They as in.....?
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 12, 2010, 09:50:42 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 12, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
QuoteSligonian the sad thing here is that you're not even takin the piss. Happy for Sligo in general to have performed so well this year but you do them no favours spoutin shite like that.
I don't agree with sligonian but that's a nonsense post.
I wouldn't really call Sheridan a cheat, I don't blame him for diving over the line or arguing with the ref and umpire that it was a goal, all heat of the moment stuff but someone really needs to tell him to stop talking to the media, if he can't be honest. He's doing himself no favours and is adding fuel to the fire.
Whats nonsense about it? Sligonian is letting down all Sligo fans with that drivel defending those thugs.
I agree with you re Sheridan. Getting undue criticism. Any player would have accepted a goal decision in that instance whether they knew it was a foul or not. His media comments were'nt the most diplomatic but he was put on the spot.
I speak for myself is what POG getting at rossmatt, i dont represent the views of Sligo people in general. Everyone on here is entitled to their view and only represent themselves, and to be honest ross matt ive an understanding of the louth fans anger. So i think we should go easy on them but still punish them. Ive seen worse acts on a GAA field and they werent banned for life or given jail sentences which are complete overreactions. I can safely say ive never been involved in a negative incident on a GAA field, never even got booked in my whole playing days so ye cant say im as bad as them either.
It seems the Meath CB are waiting on the ref report before deciding and no decision will be made tonight. I think if Meath offer a replay they are well within there rights to get it played in Navan.
And with Louth missing all the players who verbally abused Martin Sludden.
Why not make them play 5 cardboard - cutouts as well? Just to make sure Meath win.
Why the f**k would it be played in Navan? If there is a replay, the original match is declared null and void - period. They start from scratch and all cards are recinded.
Not sure how I feel about a replay. If one is not granted then Louth should withdraw from the qualifiers to make a point. The point being that after the events of yesterday the championship 2010 is flawed. If Meath go on and win it through the direct route there will always be question marks over it. Unfortunately Louth people will have to accept that decisions like that go against the little people and there is bugger alll they can do about it. All this shite talk about improving weaker counties is just blather. Once they show signs of getting uppety they get slapped down fairly sharpish. As if something like that would have been allowed at the other end, or against the likes of Kerry or Cork. Frank would have had that game null and voided before dark last night. I could n't help thinking yesterday that that was the second time in 2 years that Meath got match winning calls by officials that were in error. Not Meath s fault but they, and a few select others, seem to benefit from craven refereeing decisions. It happens all the time. Apologies Louth people but I couldn't help having a bit of a cynical laugh yesterday. I ve been in the middle of 2 similar shaftings by refs who were n't courageous enough to allow a game go to its natural conclusion and felt they had to get the expected result. Well no, I think yesterday was just incompetence. Worse deliberate refereeing manipulation of events happens - just no cameras around to see it.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 12, 2010, 10:21:34 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 12, 2010, 09:50:42 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 12, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
QuoteSligonian the sad thing here is that you're not even takin the piss. Happy for Sligo in general to have performed so well this year but you do them no favours spoutin shite like that.
I don't agree with sligonian but that's a nonsense post.
I wouldn't really call Sheridan a cheat, I don't blame him for diving over the line or arguing with the ref and umpire that it was a goal, all heat of the moment stuff but someone really needs to tell him to stop talking to the media, if he can't be honest. He's doing himself no favours and is adding fuel to the fire.
Whats nonsense about it? Sligonian is letting down all Sligo fans with that drivel defending those thugs.
I agree with you re Sheridan. Getting undue criticism. Any player would have accepted a goal decision in that instance whether they knew it was a foul or not. His media comments were'nt the most diplomatic but he was put on the spot.
because we all speak for ourselves here and it's just silly to think the views of one person is a reflection on his county! You could just as well say he's letting down all Irish men or all Europeans with his talk.
Very pedantic Pints.
This is what I was referring to when I referenced Sligo.
"If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done".
The above coupled with the rest of his stupid post was spoken as a Sligo supporter. Hence my point about him defending those thugs and drawing any reference to his own county in it does Sligo no favours.
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"If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done".
that makes no difference, he doesnt speak for sligo, he speaks for himself.
anyone who judges a county (or club) on the basis of one person is just daft.
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2010, 11:38:46 PM
Hardstation echoes my sentiments. They were the victim of an referee's mistake and his subsequent ignorance. Crap happens in sport, because that's what it is.
You have been fortunate O Neill to see your county enjoy considerable success in recent years. I think it's too easy for people from successful counties to tell the small people to 'get over it' or 'dry your eyes'. A win yesterday would probably be the pinnacle of louth sucess for another 50 years. It was a once in a lifetime event. Funny too how crap happens to the small fry in the GAA. Remember 95 and how, what many considered was a legit Tyrone point, was disallowed. How did you feel then? I know Art McCrory suspected a fast one had been pulled and he was right of course.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 12, 2010, 11:52:00 PM
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"If this had happened Sligo in 07 i would of went ballistic and i dont know what I would have done".
that makes no difference, he doesnt speak for sligo, he speaks for himself.
anyone who judges a county (or club) on the basis of one person is just daft.
Really? Jaysus I thought he WAS Sligo!
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 11:57:28 PM
BTW, I believe Sludden was right to stay and book players who verbally abused him. He made a decision which he felt was correct. We were able to see replays etc and know he was wrong. That doesn't open the door for players to call him all the c***ts of the day.
It happens all the time, refs making decisions, players giving him abuse and getting booked.
Don't think most other refs would be hanging around. Clearly he did not realise the bobo he had done and seen the Louth players as upstarts trying to blame anybody for their loss.
on a foot note, Meath had more than enough chances in the first half, and should not have been depending on a rugby try to get them over the line.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 11:57:28 PM
BTW, I believe Sludden was right to stay and book players who verbally abused him. He made a decision which he felt was correct. We were able to see replays etc and know he was wrong. That doesn't open the door for players to call him all the c***ts of the day.
It happens all the time, refs making decisions, players giving him abuse and getting booked.
Are you suggesting hardstation that the Louth players and manager, knowing they had been done by a poor decision, should just have accepted it? And maybe hung around and stoically accepted it all and applauded while Meath was prevented with the cup? Are you for real? Have you no concept of the type of people that play and manage at this level? If they weren't competitive then they would have been gone by early teens.Why should the little teams have to put up with that type of injustice? The manager and players showed considerable restraint under the circumstances and actually sent a few fans packing themselves. The fans actions are a diferent matter. I could see the same happeneing no matter what county was involved. Just happened to be Louth.
ok this is where we are at in the eyes of the Association.
Meath are Leinster Champions having won the game.
Sheridan scored a legitimate goal deep into injury time to win the match.
Attacking a referee is wrong.
Interfering with stewards is wrong.
There can't be a replay as the game was not a drawn result.
Time to move on.
Shit happens.
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2010, 12:11:06 AM
Are you suggesting hardstation that the Louth players and manager, knowing they had been done by a poor decision, should just have accepted it? And maybe hung around and stoically accepted it all and applauded while Meath was prevented with the cup? Are you for real? Have you no concept of the type of people that play and manage at this level? If they weren't competitive then they would have been gone by early teens.Why should the little teams have to put up with that type of injustice? The manager and players showed considerable restraint under the circumstances and actually sent a few fans packing themselves. The fans actions are a diferent matter. I could see the same happeneing no matter what county was involved. Just happened to be Louth.
Tipp did in the AIF last year.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:00:37 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2010, 11:55:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2010, 11:38:46 PM
Hardstation echoes my sentiments. They were the victim of an referee's mistake and his subsequent ignorance. Crap happens in sport, because that's what it is.
You have been fortunate O Neill to see your county enjoy considerable success in recent years. I think it's too easy for people from successful counties to tell the small people to 'get over it' or 'dry your eyes'. A win yesterday would probably be the pinnacle of louth sucess for another 50 years. It was a once in a lifetime event. Funny too how crap happens to the small fry in the GAA. Remember 95 and how, what many considered was a legit Tyrone point, was disallowed. How did you feel then? I know Art McCrory suspected a fast one had been pulled and he was right of course.
He probably thought "Paddy Russell is a ballix" and probably still does. Remember Charlie Redmond was 'sent off' in the same game. We didn't witness the scenes we did yesterday.
We did nt because on AI final day the are full of neutrals and the hard core fans probably still behind fences in Canal and Hill. Don't cod yourself. An injustice like that would cause a riot anywhere, bad and all that it is. You cant condone it but only a fool would expect that it would not happen.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 13, 2010, 12:13:25 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2010, 12:11:06 AM
Are you suggesting hardstation that the Louth players and manager, knowing they had been done by a poor decision, should just have accepted it? And maybe hung around and stoically accepted it all and applauded while Meath was prevented with the cup? Are you for real? Have you no concept of the type of people that play and manage at this level? If they weren't competitive then they would have been gone by early teens.Why should the little teams have to put up with that type of injustice? The manager and players showed considerable restraint under the circumstances and actually sent a few fans packing themselves. The fans actions are a diferent matter. I could see the same happeneing no matter what county was involved. Just happened to be Louth.
Tipp did in the AIF last year.
Slight difference in terms of success between Tipp and Louth though in recent times.....
Quote from: ballinaman on July 13, 2010, 12:18:24 AM
Slight difference in terms of success between Tipp and Louth though in recent times.....
This is just my point. This is more about poor wee Louth than it is about justice. It's nobodys fault Louth haven't been good enough over the last 50 years but their own.
So what did the Meath GAA decide at that meeting they had tonight?
Quote from: ross4life on July 13, 2010, 12:21:46 AM
So what did the Meath GAA decide at that meeting they had tonight?
undecided. In other words it ain't going to happen.
Quote from: ross4life on July 13, 2010, 12:21:46 AM
So what did the Meath GAA decide at that meeting they had tonight?
To ask the Umpire what they should do ;)
Quote from: Zapatista on July 13, 2010, 12:19:33 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 13, 2010, 12:18:24 AM
Slight difference in terms of success between Tipp and Louth though in recent times.....
This is just my point. This is more about poor wee Louth than it is about justice. It's nobodys fault Louth haven't been good enough over the last 50 years but their own.
They might not have been good enough to win in the last 50 years, but they were good enough on Sunday....and thats whats the most sickening thing for them i'd say.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 13, 2010, 12:22:51 AM
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Slight difference in terms of success between Tipp and Louth though in recent times.....
This is just my point. This is more about poor wee Louth than it is about justice. It's nobodys fault Louth haven't been good enough over the last 50 years but their own.
Course they haven't been good enough to win in the last 50 years, but they were good enough on Sunday....and thats whats the most sickening thing for them i'd say.
Being pissed off more doesn't entitle them to a replay though.
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Hardstation echoes my sentiments. They were the victim of an referee's mistake and his subsequent ignorance. Crap happens in sport, because that's what it is.
You have been fortunate O Neill to see your county enjoy considerable success in recent years. I think it's too easy for people from successful counties to tell the small people to 'get over it' or 'dry your eyes'. A win yesterday would probably be the pinnacle of louth sucess for another 50 years. It was a once in a lifetime event. Funny too how crap happens to the small fry in the GAA. Remember 95 and how, what many considered was a legit Tyrone point, was disallowed. How did you feel then? I know Art McCrory suspected a fast one had been pulled and he was right of course.
Did Tyrone fans physically abuse Russell and knock out a steward?
No. Not that I was suggesting that they did. But how did you feel at the time and how would you have felt if somebody told you it was only a game?
Because the ref was subjected to assault after the match by a number of fans is a different matter to the Louth team being shafted. The second wrong does not cancel out the first wrong.
True, it doesn't,....a replay is a no win situation for both Meath and Louth in my opinion. The 2010 Leinster championship is tainted now no matter what happens.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 13, 2010, 12:27:59 AM
True, it doesn't,....a replay is a no win situation for both Meath and Louth in my opinion. The 2010 Leinster championship is tainted now no matter what happens.
Brings in a real case for video refs in my view. Players train too hard for this
Quote from: Zapatista on July 13, 2010, 12:13:25 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2010, 12:11:06 AM
Are you suggesting hardstation that the Louth players and manager, knowing they had been done by a poor decision, should just have accepted it? And maybe hung around and stoically accepted it all and applauded while Meath was prevented with the cup? Are you for real? Have you no concept of the type of people that play and manage at this level? If they weren't competitive then they would have been gone by early teens.Why should the little teams have to put up with that type of injustice? The manager and players showed considerable restraint under the circumstances and actually sent a few fans packing themselves. The fans actions are a diferent matter. I could see the same happeneing no matter what county was involved. Just happened to be Louth.
Tipp did in the AIF last year.
Eh?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 13, 2010, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 13, 2010, 12:27:59 AM
True, it doesn't,....a replay is a no win situation for both Meath and Louth in my opinion. The 2010 Leinster championship is tainted now no matter what happens.
Brings in a real case for video refs in my view. Players train too hard for this
Fact. Those Meath lads have Leinster medals that aren't worth a shite in many peoples eyes in Meath and the rest of Ireland and Louth have nothing.
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BTW, I believe Sludden was right to stay and book players who verbally abused him. He made a decision which he felt was correct. We were able to see replays etc and know he was wrong. That doesn't open the door for players to call him all the c***ts of the day.
It happens all the time, refs making decisions, players giving him abuse and getting booked.
Are you suggesting hardstation that the Louth players and manager, knowing they had been done by a poor decision, should just have accepted it? And maybe hung around and stoically accepted it all and applauded while Meath was prevented with the cup? Are you for real? Have you no concept of the type of people that play and manage at this level? If they weren't competitive then they would have been gone by early teens.Why should the little teams have to put up with that type of injustice? The manager and players showed considerable restraint under the circumstances and actually sent a few fans packing themselves. The fans actions are a diferent matter. I could see the same happeneing no matter what county was involved. Just happened to be Louth.
The decision was made. The game was over. What did they expect Sludden to do? There are ways and means of dealing with injustices. They picked the wrong one. Had they left it and fought it in the boardrooms, I'd have supported them. They lost my respect with their scummy actions and I hope Meath tell them to go and fcuk.
Actually there isn't as the GAA pointed out today when they got Sludden' report. Even though he admitted there was an error. You cant fight it in the boardrooms. You just have to take your shafting when your re one of the less important counties. You obviously respect the meek hardstation.
Everyone should click on TAKE YOUR POINT and listen from 17.00 to 21.00 mins Louths Frank Burke who played in 1957 Leinster final thoughts.
Just listen to it.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2010, 12:38:30 AM
In what sport is individual decision error (not stopped watch etc) = replayed afterwards?
Laois v Carlow
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 13, 2010, 12:37:03 AM
Everyone should click on TAKE YOUR POINT and listen from 17.00 to 21.00 mins Louths Frank Burke who played in 1957 Leinster final thoughts.
Just listen to it.
Heard it while driving home from Armagh match in Enniskillen. Didn't know if I should laugh or cry. That man had some passion!
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:41:03 AM
Also, has nobody questioned the 2 Louth backs who made a complete balls of it?
So what? That s the game. Another made a heroic block. Thats the game as well. It s like saying a team that kicked a good few wides deserve to lose even though a bent ref shafted them. We ve been there and it is still being peddled. Under no circumstances should a game be decided by the whim of an official.
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OK I'm back home. Let me know if this works. I think its pretty funny.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:41:03 AM
Also, has nobody questioned the 2 Louth backs who made a complete balls of it?
But why should they? What has that got to do with the legality or otherwise of the 'goal' Sheridan scored?
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pkerin what are you trying to post if, its a photo use the symbol below the B to wrap the .jpg around, if its a hyperlink use the symbol below the I to do the same.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:59:03 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:41:03 AM
Also, has nobody questioned the 2 Louth backs who made a complete balls of it?
So what? That s the game. Another made a heroic block. Thats the game as well. It s like saying a team that kicked a good few wides deserve to lose even though a bent ref shafted them. We ve been there and it is still being peddled. Under no circumstances should a game be decided by the whim of an official.
Two Louth backs ballsed up. The referee ballsed up..........
If players aren't good enough they lose. But if a sport is decided by the incompetence of officials then you dont have sport. If there is no justice in sport, then there is no point. The great thing about the championship was that the little guy could take out the big guy on a good day. 10 years ago Louth would be preparing for an AI semi with a realistic chance of the big pot - if they hadn't been shafted.. Qualifiers were introduced to give the big guns a second chance and now we see the upstarts being levelled by a bad decisions. Why bother with all this pretence of a championship and fair play and just let the select dozen or so compete for it each year.
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Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:59:03 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2010, 12:56:49 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:41:03 AM
Also, has nobody questioned the 2 Louth backs who made a complete balls of it?
So what? That s the game. Another made a heroic block. Thats the game as well. It s like saying a team that kicked a good few wides deserve to lose even though a bent ref shafted them. We ve been there and it is still being peddled. Under no circumstances should a game be decided by the whim of an official.
Two Louth backs ballsed up. The referee ballsed up..........
If players aren't good enough they lose. But if a sport is decided by the incompetence of officials then you dont have sport. If there is no justice in sport, then there is no point. The great thing about the championship was that the little guy could take out the big guy on a good day. 10 years ago Louth would be preparing for an AI semi with a realistic chance of the big pot - if they hadn't been shafted.. Qualifiers were introduced to give the big guns a second chance and now we see the upstarts being levelled by a bad decisions. Why bother with all this pretence of a championship and fair play and just let the select dozen or so compete for it each year.
Exactly, by not questioning blatent major errors, blatent stubborness not to consult other officials and consult not dictate, or even pure cheating by officials (I certainly don't think this last one is apt here) we could very easily end up with a ref. sending off say 4 players from one side & give 3 penalties just because they can. Even Kerry would struggle in an All-Ireland Final against Mayo/Cork if the ref. by choice or a series of blantent mistakes decided the game.
But that would stand by your reasoning Hardstation.
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Well I dont think thats how to post a picture but it worked. Funny right. I had some free time at work today. I like mine better than the other one I saw flooting around.
Quote from: pkerin on July 13, 2010, 01:23:27 AM
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Thanks AFS
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 01:35:44 AM
The referee is a part of the game, unless I've been living on another planet. It may be time to have a look at refereeing but many other teams have been where Louth are.
No referee is there to ensure that the rules of the game are adheared too, the referee is like a catalyst, he is there to ensure that the reaction/game can take place, but he should not be used up in the reaction/his actions should not be the deciding force to decide the game.
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Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:59:03 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:41:03 AM
Also, has nobody questioned the 2 Louth backs who made a complete balls of it?
So what? That s the game. Another made a heroic block. Thats the game as well. It s like saying a team that kicked a good few wides deserve to lose even though a bent ref shafted them. We ve been there and it is still being peddled. Under no circumstances should a game be decided by the whim of an official.
Two Louth backs ballsed up. The referee ballsed up..........
If players aren't good enough they lose. But if a sport is decided by the incompetence of officials then you dont have sport. If there is no justice in sport, then there is no point. The great thing about the championship was that the little guy could take out the big guy on a good day. 10 years ago Louth would be preparing for an AI semi with a realistic chance of the big pot - if they hadn't been shafted.. Qualifiers were introduced to give the big guns a second chance and now we see the upstarts being levelled by a bad decisions. Why bother with all this pretence of a championship and fair play and just let the select dozen or so compete for it each year.
Indeed.
The referee made a mistake, a genuine mistake. He didn't intend to fcuk Louth over. He called it as he saw it. We know that how he saw it was wrong. It has been the same in our games since they began. Many teams have been shafted since our games began. It happens. Louth were unfortunate. Time for video refs etc but what happened happened. It may be hard to accept now but they just have to take it on the chin, like so many before have had to.
You know who takes it on the chin. It only causes bitterness and resentment. I d prefer not to have to take it on the chin. Sunday s shit was avoidable if there was even a smidereen of sense about.
He didn't intend to f**k Louth over but it's funny that it is the Louths that get fucked over. I won't hold my breath that Kerry, Cork or Meath will get a bad call any time soon. The ref made a mistake but I m sure sure it was a conditioned mistake. He expected Meath to win driving to the game.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 01:54:02 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 01:35:44 AM
The referee is a part of the game, unless I've been living on another planet. It may be time to have a look at refereeing but many other teams have been where Louth are.
No referee is there to ensure that the rules of the game are adheared too, the referee is like a catalyst, he is there to ensure that the reaction/game can take place, but he should not be used up in the reaction/his actions should not be the deciding force to decide the game.
He thought it was a legitimate goal, turns out it wasn't. Fcuk me.....
I wonder big time about what the Umpire said to him, why both where not consulted, and did he factor in what the umpire said. Did he make a decision, hear a different one from the Umpire and stick to his guns, right or wrong.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 01:35:44 AM
The referee is a part of the game, unless I've been living on another planet. It may be time to have a look at refereeing but many other teams have been where Louth are.
No, No. I can't remember any team being where Louth are now. Close maybe and then I d be talking about non county.
The ref being part of the game is just a soundbite. Sure you ll get dodgy decisions but in a match of that importance that decision verged on the the ridiculous. The game is in disrepute. I could see in my living room that it was not a goal. Yet the ref was in a situation where he didn't see what happened and had no help. He obviously didn't trust the opinions of the umpires that he must have known. A video ref is the only way to go and it just has to happen. End of. Not much good to Louth though.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 13, 2010, 01:56:36 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 01:54:02 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 13, 2010, 01:46:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 01:35:44 AM
The referee is a part of the game, unless I've been living on another planet. It may be time to have a look at refereeing but many other teams have been where Louth are.
No referee is there to ensure that the rules of the game are adheared too, the referee is like a catalyst, he is there to ensure that the reaction/game can take place, but he should not be used up in the reaction/his actions should not be the deciding force to decide the game.
He thought it was a legitimate goal, turns out it wasn't. Fcuk me.....
I wonder big time about what the Umpire said to him, why both where not consulted, and did he factor in what the umpire said. Did he make a decision, hear a different one from the Umpire and stick to his guns, right or wrong.
His umpire seemed to not have a clue what was going on and was told to raise the flag. That was a decision by Sludden. It is very easy for us to say it wasn't a goal.
Thats a fair point, maybe the umpire said, I'm not sure, then we should know this.
If he wasn't sure was it because he did not see properly or is he sketchy on rules, most GAA people are sketchy on some rules or even alot of rules, I learn all the time even after watching the game since I was 3 and playing Underage and Junior. But an Umpire should and must know the rules, if not, we need to have refs acting as umpires. I have umpires Junior games and there is an incredible level of intimidation from both teams, fans and yes the referee on which way to go, it is wrong but it happens, I used hate ending up as a sole umpire until I said I would only do it if the other umpire was from the other club. Yet still the ref. told me what my decision was, it felt like I was only there to make the game official.
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Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:41:03 AM
Also, has nobody questioned the 2 Louth backs who made a complete balls of it?
So what? That s the game. Another made a heroic block. Thats the game as well. It s like saying a team that kicked a good few wides deserve to lose even though a bent ref shafted them. We ve been there and it is still being peddled. Under no circumstances should a game be decided by the whim of an official.
Two Louth backs ballsed up. The referee ballsed up..........
If players aren't good enough they lose. But if a sport is decided by the incompetence of officials then you dont have sport. If there is no justice in sport, then there is no point. The great thing about the championship was that the little guy could take out the big guy on a good day. 10 years ago Louth would be preparing for an AI semi with a realistic chance of the big pot - if they hadn't been shafted.. Qualifiers were introduced to give the big guns a second chance and now we see the upstarts being levelled by a bad decisions. Why bother with all this pretence of a championship and fair play and just let the select dozen or so compete for it each year.
Indeed.
The referee made a mistake, a genuine mistake. He didn't intend to fcuk Louth over. He called it as he saw it. We know that how he saw it was wrong. It has been the same in our games since they began. Many teams have been shafted since our games began. It happens. Louth were unfortunate. Time for video refs etc but what happened happened. It may be hard to accept now but they just have to take it on the chin, like so many before have had to.
You know who takes it on the chin. It only causes bitterness and resentment. I d prefer not to have to take it on the chin. Sunday s shit was avoidable if there was even a smidereen of sense about.
He didn't intend to f**k Louth over but it's funny that it is the Louths that get fucked over. I won't hold my breath that Kerry, Cork or Meath will get a bad call any time soon. The ref made a mistake but I m sure sure it was a conditioned mistake. He expected Meath to win driving to the game.
:D
Do you really believe that? If so, you are mad.
Tut, tut. On the contrary. What do you think the ref and his buddies, the umpires, were talking about as they all drove up together to the game? Do you know any refs and umpires at this level? Maybe they like football and have an opinion and who should win.
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Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2010, 02:00:16 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 01:35:44 AM
The referee is a part of the game, unless I've been living on another planet. It may be time to have a look at refereeing but many other teams have been where Louth are.
No, No. I can't remember any team being where Louth are now. Close maybe and then I d be talking about non county.
Does the fact that it is non county matter? Doesn't matter a toss in my book.
Tyrone in 95
Kerry in 82
for what it's worth.
I'd agree with the rest of your post.
In a way I m glad this happened and got the exposure it did. I think Sludden just got it wrong mostly - but have grave doubts he would not have given it the other end. And that s the thing. I ve seen worse, deliberate things happen that you just had to grin and bare. Career defining stuff. I met a few young lads yesterday who all recalled a similar outcome to a big match (provincial semi) where the ref imagined 6 mins injury time and then imagined a penalty to get the traditional power over the line. It was the first thing I thought about yesterday. I was raging and laughing at the same time. Glad that shit was caught on camera. Ok, Sludden - to give him the benefit of the doubt - just got it badly wrong.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 02:15:21 AM
Moysider, you're talking bollix and making serious allegations at this stage.
Are you, by any chance, suggesting that referrees are impartial?
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Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 02:15:21 AM
Moysider, you're talking bollix and making serious allegations at this stage.
Are you, by any chance, suggesting that referrees are impartial?
Yes.
Christ. I wish it were that innocent.
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Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 02:15:21 AM
Moysider, you're talking bollix and making serious allegations at this stage.
Are you, by any chance, suggesting that referrees are impartial?
Yes.
Christ. I wish it were that innocent.
That's pathetic.
No. What is pathetic is the standard of refereeing. I ve seen three refs being the deciding factor in three games in two weeks. The players are supposed to decide games.
A referee being attacked was inevitable.
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Are you suggesting hardstation that the Louth players and manager, knowing they had been done by a poor decision, should just have accepted it? And maybe hung around and stoically accepted it all and applauded while Meath was prevented with the cup? Are you for real? Have you no concept of the type of people that play and manage at this level? If they weren't competitive then they would have been gone by early teens.Why should the little teams have to put up with that type of injustice? The manager and players showed considerable restraint under the circumstances and actually sent a few fans packing themselves. The fans actions are a diferent matter. I could see the same happeneing no matter what county was involved. Just happened to be Louth.
Tipp did in the AIF last year.
Eh?
KK won the AI after they won a penalty that was never a penalty. Tipp took the refereeing error as part of the sport. The only one who got upset about it was Brian Cody.
"Breaking news" from Brian Carty - almost certain Meath will not offer a rematch. Players voted almost unanimously against it. Co. board will take their lead from that.
Reviewing the overnight posts and have some comments to make -
O'Neill says Sludden did not hit anybody. In the physical sednse this is true but he has - by his arrogant incompetence sandbagged the future efforts of Louth GAA to develop our games in a seriously pro soccer area.
Hardstation is trying to rewrite history - the evidence is there in the photograph that the Umpire wanted to draw something to the refs attention. WE known from the length of time that the ref consulted with him the umpire that the report that he merely told him to put up the flag that no consultation took place.
The refusal of the GAA hierarcy to face up to their responsibilities by taking refuge behind the rules just adds to the growing cynicism among supporters in the smaller counties about their chanches against the big teams - decisions like this just do not go against the big boys.
The CCCC can be used to make retrospective decisions. This was the very last action in the match and there is clear irrrefutable evidence that the ref was in error. Why can they not just declare Louth the winners - to say it opens a can of worms is nonsense - this is a one of event where they have all the evidence they need plus the confirmation by the ref that he was in error.
It wont happen but would it not be a proper sporting gesture by the Meath County Board to decline the awarding of the match and just declare that the want the Championship awarded to Louth - now that would be real firplay rather than paying lipservice to the concept
If Carty report true then Meath GAA clearly have no concept of what sport and fairplay really are - Meath the Millwall of Gaelic Football!
zoyler, that's 2 terrible posts. If that is the basis of the argument then there is no issue only whinning.
From what I heard last night there will be no replay.
The sad fact it that it is nothing to do with the GAA and nothing to do with Louth that this happened.
It is reflective of society.
That kind of supporter exists in every county and in most sports might I add.
Good article by Keys.
However, why did he feel the need to insert the phrase I've highlighted in his sentence about Mark Ward?
"Meath midfielder Mark Ward, no shrinking violet himself, was struck by a Louth supporter ..."
What contribution did that make to his point?
Just to illustrate what (some of) the Meath grassroots are thinking, here's a rough summary of soundings yesterday/last night:
The gradual build-up of details of abuse handed out by sections of the Louth support on Sunday is a huge factor in the resistance of supporters to the pressure for a rematch. The assault on Seán Boylan is the biggest factor of all, but people are also swapping individual stories of what was said to them and abusive behaviour. People are also appalled at the TV pictures and many mention that to offer a rematch would be seen as rewarding thuggery. They are looking at these pictures and then listening to the media to find their county and people bizarrely in the dock, instead of those who should be.
The media saturation coverage and the generally OTT comments of lunatics on the likes of Livewhine, are really hardening people's attitudes. The biggest source of resentment in this context is the continual references to Meath people and their players as cheats, while at the same time expecting good will from Meath in offering a rematch. The "cheat" word is a biggie in people's attitudes.
People are genuinely worried about exposing the players and especially Joe Sheridan to the type of abuse sections of the Louth support have shown themselves capable of. Some people ask could the GAA ensure their safety. Also people are saying it would be totally unfair to force the players into the indignity of handing back the cup, as if they were guilty of something. There's annoyance at Tony Davis's labelling of Joe's action as "a disgrace" (though, to be fair, I don't think that's what he meant to say. What he said was "Joe Sheridan either carried the ball over the line or threw the ball over the line, both* of them a disgrace". I'd guess he meant to say that to allow it was a disgrace, but pundits need to be careful with people's reputations. *Actually he said "boat" but, living in Cork, I've come to understand that when they say that they mean "both").
Of course there's huge resentment at the GAA's passing the buck to Meath.
One interesting angle was Louth Co. board's assumption of the high moral ground. The reasoning is that if they want a rematch, at least they could approach Meath and ask for it instead of sitting saying nothing and letting others do the running for them. That puts them in the position of being able to present themselves as not wanting anything, but being able to soak up the sympathy if they don't get anything.
In general, I found roughly a 50-50 split between those against a rematch and those in favour. Not surprisingly, the strong feelings are expressed by those against.
Quote from: Hardy on July 13, 2010, 09:30:25 AM
The assault on Seán Boylan is the biggest factor of all,
Did Sean not come out himself and say it was nothing, just a bit of shoving?
From what I hear the Meath County Board had all but agreed to offer the replay, they'd been in contact with the GAA and the match was to be played in Croke Park on Sunday. But the players/management said no, which caught the MCB by surprise so they've deferred a final decision, but at this stage it looks highly unlikely the game will be replayed.
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Quote from: Hardy on July 13, 2010, 09:30:25 AM
The assault on Seán Boylan is the biggest factor of all,
Did Sean not come out himself and say it was nothing, just a bit of shoving?
I didn't hear that, but the point is neither did many others. All people know is that there are reports he was assaulted. Imaginations probably take over after that, especially in the case of such a revered figure.
I've not read all this thread or the other one along the same lines so maybe this has already been said.
Although its not the exact same circumstances there are huge parallels with the Dublin v Tyrone AI final in 1995.
It was my 1st AI final as I missed the 1986 one and so with PTG as our one man band we were hopeful of beating a mediocre Dublin team that struggled to beat all other Northern teams.
I remember afterwards feeling cheated out of an All Ireland with both the Darling Charlie sending off & then the Sean McLaughlin point that was cancelled out by Paddy Russell as he deemed "God" had touched the ball on the ground.
There was talk afterwards of replays and justice would be done but as we see time & time again it wont happen.
As they were saying on Des Cahill's show last night, its part of sport to make such big mistakes and even though its not fair it has always been like this.
It will not change until it changes at congress before the start of a new year where they clearly state that a Ref can look at video evidence after a match and decide whether a result changing event occurred and the match should be replayed.
Personally I would be of the view that we do have the technology and that it should be SOLELY the Ref's decision if he wants to call for video evidence like they do in rugby.
I for one feel sorry for Louth and despite the action of some of their loutish fans afterwards, they should have won that game and Meath got an illegal goal that won them the game. When the ref admiited he made a mistake he should have the authority to say that it was a match deciding mistake and a replay would be the best outcome.
Then no need for the CCCC or any county board to get involved but others would say that's too much pressure on the ref.
He was the one that made the mistake and he has admitted that so he should be allowed to decide how to fix it.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2010, 08:55:23 AM
This is like the ridiculous Thierry Henry crap all over again.
Let's replay the Cavan v Derry Ulster final from '97 again. 1:35 mins - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2e2EV8vNDU
There's actually no need to replay that one at all. I looked at the highlights clip again there and Larry Reilly took two hops for Cavan's eighth point (approx 3 mins in) so they can actually just hand the title straight to Derry on a 1-12 to 0-16 score.
As I said elsewhere, it's disappointing from one aspect if that's the view the Meath players have taken, but from the abuse Sheridan took to the box on mouth Ward got, it's probably understandable too.
Boylan himself said it was just verbal stuff from a fan & there was nothing in it. But sure don't let that get in the way of a good story.
Anyone who takes Liveline seriously over things like this needs to grow up. I think it's a policy of that show to allow as many cranks on as possible to generate controversy.
A handful of fans out of about 25K & apparently all Louth fans are scumbags. You want to here to amount of racial abuse Jayo has taken over the years from fans around the country (especially Meath).
Of course Louth fans are going to be upset. Not defending the idiots who went after the referee but to be cheated out of a first Leinster title in 50 something years in the last minute is bound to be hard to take.
Also to have to isten to Sheridan on national tv claim it was a perfectly good goal & sure he should have had a penalty must have made it even worse.
It's a good job it wasn't Dublin involved. Can only imagine the criticism & abuse they would get (typical dubs etc.)
Fuzzman, was also at 1995AIF and I can remember clearly the amount of "soft" frees awarded to Tyrone during that game.
Dublin's victory glossed over this aspect of the game. However the one marginal decision imo that went in Dublin's favour that day has been seized upon by Tyrone people for years as "robbery".
Just my opinion.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 13, 2010, 09:58:54 AM
Boylan himself said it was just verbal stuff from a fan & there was nothing in it. But sure don't let that get in the way of a good story.
Anyone who takes Liveline seriously over things like this needs to grow up. I think it's a policy of that show to allow as many cranks on as possible to generate controversy.
A handful of fans out of about 25K & apparently all Louth fans are scumbags. You want to here to amount of racial abuse Jayo has taken over the years from fans around the country (especially Meath).
Of course Louth fans are going to be upset. Not defending the idiots who went after the referee but to be cheated out of a first Leinster title in 50 something years in the last minute is bound to be hard to take.
Also to have to isten to Sheridan on national tv claim it was a perfectly good goal & sure he should have had a penalty must have made it even worse.
It's a good job it wasn't Dublin involved. Can only imagine the criticism & abuse they would get (typical dubs etc.)
Ah the old "Imagine it was us!" line from the poor downtrodden Dublin fans. ::)
Get over yourself.
Also getting a bit sick of all this "poor Louth" nonsense. Fact is the reason Louth haven't won Leinster since the 50s is they were not good enough.
To be fair they in particular in the 1990s had some of the best individual players in the province.
I should point out that I'm reporting attitudes of people I've communicated with. The attitudes range from reasonable to absurd, but that's not the point. I'm only trying to illustrate he factors that are making people think as they are thinking.
As regards Joe's opinion, people don't seem to understand it was one comment, immediately after the match, probably without seeing the video. People seem to think he was commenting all day yesterday. Do they not understand the Monday papers are printed on Sunday night? As regards his penalty claim, I spoke to several Louth people, who had seen the video, who also thought it was a penalty. I don't, by the way.
Hardy,
Have you seen these photos.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/441089/ - Was he tripped first before the dive
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/441090/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/441091/
I think we've all said enough, if there's a replay, so be it, if not, c'est la vie.
Quote from: DB_An_Mhi on July 13, 2010, 10:12:52 AM
Hardy,
Have you seen these photos.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/441089/ - Was he tripped first before the dive
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/441090/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/441091/
I hadn't seen those, DB, but my experience is that still photos are unreliable evidence. I don't see a clear penalty on the video, but it's not that easy to see and I haven't done frame-by-frame. At first glance, the thing that seems nearest to a penalty to me is when the keeper sits on him. I suppose that's a foul, but maybe 50/50.
So the Meath players say no, I hope Joe and the boys can live with the label, a tarnished Leinster title, Joe Sheridan had a chance to show young players you can be honest and take the moral high ground, but no he will forever be known as a cheat, I have no axe to grind either way, Sludden got it wrong, theres no excuse for that but for Meath to just walk away from it all into the quarters and say the assults afterwards etc etc made their minds up to not offer a replay sounds hollow, Just cheats thats it, the word doesn't rest easy with them though
Jesus I hate the school holidays.
Decision on Meath v Louth replay – Live updates
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
It's a tarnished title. Be naive to describe it as anything else.
The Meath CB didn't do the team any favours though. They should have made the decision for a replay or not but bottled it & I would say they expectedthe Meath team to agree to it.
However that was the 1st Leinster title for most of those players so can see why they said no.
Finally it's funny to think how Joe be telling his kids/grand kids how he scored the winning goal/try in a Leinster Final in Croke Park.
Quote from: Canalman on July 13, 2010, 10:00:04 AM
Fuzzman, was also at 1995AIF and I can remember clearly the amount of "soft" frees awarded to Tyrone during that game.
Dublin's victory glossed over this aspect of the game. However the one marginal decision imo that went in Dublin's favour that day has been seized upon by Tyrone people for years as "robbery".
Just my opinion.
I nearly replied but this isn't the forum.
Meath will now go on and use this as a motivational tool that everyone now hates us (AGAIN) and we'll show them all.
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 13, 2010, 09:54:02 AM
I've not read all this thread or the other one along the same lines so maybe this has already been said.
Although its not the exact same circumstances there are huge parallels with the Dublin v Tyrone AI final in 1995.
It was my 1st AI final as I missed the 1986 one and so with PTG as our one man band we were hopeful of beating a mediocre Dublin team that struggled to beat all other Northern teams.
I remember afterwards feeling cheated out of an All Ireland with both the Darling Charlie sending off & then the Sean McLaughlin point that was cancelled out by Paddy Russell as he deemed "God" had touched the ball on the ground.
There was talk afterwards of replays and justice would be done but as we see time & time again it wont happen.
As they were saying on Des Cahill's show last night, its part of sport to make such big mistakes and even though its not fair it has always been like this.
It will not change until it changes at congress before the start of a new year where they clearly state that a Ref can look at video evidence after a match and decide whether a result changing event occurred and the match should be replayed.
Personally I would be of the view that we do have the technology and that it should be SOLELY the Ref's decision if he wants to call for video evidence like they do in rugby.
I for one feel sorry for Louth and despite the action of some of their loutish fans afterwards, they should have won that game and Meath got an illegal goal that won them the game. When the ref admiited he made a mistake he should have the authority to say that it was a match deciding mistake and a replay would be the best outcome.
Then no need for the CCCC or any county board to get involved but others would say that's too much pressure on the ref.
He was the one that made the mistake and he has admitted that so he should be allowed to decide how to fix it.
The Tyrone V Armagh Ulster final replay in 2008 also ended in farce. No replay there but Tyrone went on to win the All-Ireland.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2010, 09:15:35 AM
The sad fact it that it is nothing to do with the GAA and nothing to do with Louth that this happened.
It is reflective of society.
That kind of supporter exists in every county and in most sports might I add.
I'd half agree with you on that.
I don't think that the actions of a few so-called fans are representative of the vast majority of Louth supporters. But there is a strong element of the hard man mentality in every county in the land and it's not confined to the menfolk either. I'd go further and say that a wanton disregard for the rules of the game is to be found right down to grass roots level—even kiddies' games are not immune.
I was involved in Cumann na mBunscol activities for many years and I can tell you that primary school games could, and often did, attract a loutish element whose main reason for attending seemed to be to hurl abuse at the ref, umpires, linesmen and everyone else accept the team players they had come along to support.
Mammies on the sideline, often pushing a pram and with a gaggle of young children in tow, and often on the field as well, were a common feature. They spent their time urging their own brats to get stuck in and generally bite, boot and bollack all around them. Every decision that went against their side was actively disputed and pitch invasions were commonplace.
I am not exaggerating in the slightest here; after more than 30 years of involvement at this level, I am speaking (writing?) from personal experience. Behaviour at juvenile club level was even worse.
I don't think such behaviour is just a modern day phenomenon either; it seems to have predated the beginnings of the GAA—a carryover from the faction fights of earlier times. (Pride of the village and all that.)
So the oul' fella used to tell me and he also reckoned that football in his time (the 40s) was much more of a 'man's game' than it was in the 70s and 80s and most observers today would reckon that the standards of both players and fans were far worse then than now.
Back in his playing days, the manager who was also the parish priest, used to lay around him with his blackthorn stick as the players ran out onto the pitch. He reckoned that a few belts were just the thing to motivate his men! ;D
So, the Louth 'fans' last Sunday were following a long and dishonourable tradition and I guess it won't come to an end any time soon. If ever.
While it's a bit disappointing if true that Meath won't offer a replay, I can't say they're wrong. Once the onus was put on them to do "the decent thing" all manner of attitudes that should be secondary to the decision were going to enter the mix. If by some deus ex machina the decision on what happens next came down to the plain people of Louth we'd have opinions ranging from "give us a replay" to "execute every first born in Meath". And an opinion on the definitiveness of something is still an opinion, isn't it (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16650.msg817181#msg817181)? ;)
1)Meath payers keep their tarnished baubles, Louth players their honour -
2)Words not to be used in the same sentence for the immediate future - Meath football and sportsmanship
3) How will Colm O'Rourke explain the concept of fairplay to his students next term?
Quote from: deiseach on July 13, 2010, 10:47:43 AM
While it's a bit disappointing if true that Meath won't offer a replay, I can't say they're wrong. Once the onus was put on them to do "the decent thing" all manner of attitudes that should be secondary to the decision were going to enter the mix. If by some deus ex machina the decision on what happens next came down to the plain people of Louth we'd have opinions ranging from "give us a replay" to "execute every first born in Meath". And an opinion on the definitiveness of something is still an opinion, isn't it (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16650.msg817181#msg817181)? ;)
Indeed it is! :)
Quote from: zoyler on July 13, 2010, 10:50:22 AM
1)Meath payers keep their tarnished baubles, Louth players their honour -
2)Words not to be used in the same sentence for the immediate future - Meath football and sportsmanship
3) How will Colm O'Rourke explain the concept of fairplay to his students next term?
I dunno. Perhaps he'll show them the WHOLE match? And the heart-warming scenes of supporters expressing their, ahem, support afterwards. And play the the tapes of Liveline and myriad sports bulletins when their heroes were called cheats and then begged by the very same name-callers to be magnanimous and give a replay. You know - stuff like that.
Didn't Colm o Rourke get involved in a few building deals ? How are they going these days ?
There must be a lot of GAA people who got burnt with the crash.
Perhaps he will use the scenes afterwards to explain that regretfully, sometimes people loose control when they are deprived of what is rightfully theirs!
Seafoids comments on anybodires financial position has no place here
I must say I am disappointed that the Meath players did not offer the replay just because it would come across as honourable, but saying that if they did offer it I feel it would be best if Louth rejected the offer. It doesn't really matter if there is no replay and Meath are champions or if there was a replay and Louth won, either way the title is tainted for this year. I feel the GAA were right not to force the replay themselves (though many see this as passing the buck) but if they did then where would it end? Would you replay the Galway/Wexford match because IMO Wexford got a penalty that never was or should Offaly have been put through to the Leinster Hurling final at the expense of Galway because of Ger Faraghers point that never was?
I think its more important to learn from this to stop similar incidents happening in the future but I'm sure nothing will be learnt. People are bringing up similarities between this incident and the France incident but I felt the same way then. Whilr I would have gained more respect for the French had they offered a replay I think it was still best that a replay did not take place.
Quote from: zoyler on July 13, 2010, 11:02:29 AM
Perhaps he will use the scenes afterwards to explain that regretfully, sometimes people loose control when they are deprived of what is rightfully theirs!
Seafoids comments on anybodires financial position has no place here
If you're condoning the assaults on the ref, I put you in the same category as Sligoman.
Pat Kenny again reading out scurrilous texts on the radio. This stuff is now out of hand.
Kenny now saying his sources are saying the reason Meath players are not willing to replay is because three of them were thumped by Louth players when they went to shake hands after the game.
QuotePat Kenny again reading out scurrilous texts on the radio
Can I presume these are from "disgusted" in Ardee etc?
p***k Kenny now asking how Meath payers can look their children in the eye. Jesus Christ. The children, but this time it's not crying Louth children.
Hardy
Turn off the wireless before Dunphy rows in with his tuppence worth.
Hardy - obviously you have not been following the thread - in numerous posts if have said that nothing justifies the assult and do you deny that people get upset when they are denied what is rightfully theirs.
Quote from: Hardy on July 13, 2010, 11:06:26 AM
Kenny now saying his sources are saying the reason Meath players are not willing to replay is because three of them were thumped by Louth players when they went to shake hands after the game.
Thats shocking if true and there is no excuse for that carry on. How come this wasn't reported until now, you would think someone would have spotted this on the pitch if it happened. Emotions may have been running high abutwhat ever about not wanting to shake hands, attacking the players is just not on.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 13, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
Hardy
Turn off the wireless before Dunphy rows in with his tuppence worth.
I turned it off by throwing it at the wall.
Quote from: zoyler on July 13, 2010, 11:14:45 AM
Hardy - obviously you have not been following the thread - in numerous posts if have said that nothing justifies the assult and do you deny that people get upset when they are denied what is rightfully theirs.
Fair enough, but every "but" dilutes the condemnation of the assault. People shouldn't attack the ref, "but.... "
I stop my condemnation at the word before "but".
Ah, Hardy. One moment you're denouncing him for reading out scurrilous texts. The next moment you're propogating them! Turn off the bleedin' radio.
What will the nation be outraged about next week?
And believe me, it will be something else next week.
Quote from: deiseach on July 13, 2010, 11:19:06 AM
Ah, Hardy. One moment you're denouncing him for reading out scurrilous texts. The next moment you're propogating them! Turn off the bleedin' radio.
It's in bits!
(For clarity, the one about the punches wasn't a text - Kenny said it was his "sources").
When the likes of Pat Kenny are getting involved in a GAA story its well out of hand.
There was no decision for Meath to take. Nowhere in rule is there a provision for a replay. I would oppose any criticism of Meath GAA or their county panel and dismiss it out of hand.
The real problem here is the cowardly actions of the GAA at Central level and the CCCC in particular. The rule says that the committee in charge (the CCCC in this case) award the game on foot of the referees reports. The referee has reviewed video evidence and informed the CCCC that he awarded a goal incorrectly to Meath. Therefore the CCCC should award the game to Louth. Meath would then have to decide whether they would object to this decision or not. The clear and key difference with this case and all others that have been mentioned is that the referee has accepted after reviewing video evidence that he was wrong. Frankly the GAA saying they can't do anything is a blatant lie and should be exposed as such. Goes to show the Uncle Tom's we have posing as journalists in this country.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
When the likes of Pat Kenny are getting involved in a GAA story its well out of hand.
There was no decision for Meath to take. Nowhere in rule is there a provision for a replay. I would oppose any criticism of Meath GAA or their county panel and dismiss it out of hand.
The real problem here is the cowardly actions of the GAA at Central level and the CCCC in particular. The rule says that the committee in charge (the CCCC in this case) award the game on foot of the referees reports. The referee has reviewed video evidence and informed the CCCC that he awarded a goal incorrectly to Meath. Therefore the CCCC should award the game to Louth. Meath would then have to decide whether they would object to this decision or not. The clear and key difference with this case and all others that have been mentioned is that the referee has accepted after reviewing video evidence that he was wrong. Frankly the GAA saying they can't do anything is a blatant lie and should be exposed as such. Goes to show the Uncle Tom's we have posing as journalists in this country.
I'd agree to an extent, Seanie, except that the decision should be made by the referee on the day, on the spot, with the aid of whatever consultation or technology is available.
There could be many ways to do it. One approach might be borrowed from tennis. The captains have two or three review requests per game to use at their discretion, be it a penalty decision, a disputed score or a sideline - whatever. When the review request is made, the referee has a procedure to follow - consult the other officials and the TMO, etc.
I'm not in favour of deciding the result of a match by committee sometime afterwards. Otherwise we'll be walking down Clonliffe Road after big matches saying "that was a great match. I wonder who won it."
QuoteKenny has whipped me into such a frenzy that I've just reported Hardy to the Mods 'cos he's from Meath'.
:D
I hope the Langers are not crowing too much Hardy. Nothing worse than a shower of Cork hoors acting further than usual above their station.
Nobody likes us, we don't care. :P
It's tough enough going, to be honest, SS. I'm holding me own, so far.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
The real problem here is the cowardly actions of the GAA at Central level and the CCCC in particular. The rule says that the committee in charge (the CCCC in this case) award the game on foot of the referees reports. The referee has reviewed video evidence and informed the CCCC that he awarded a goal incorrectly to Meath. Therefore the CCCC should award the game to Louth. Meath would then have to decide whether they would object to this decision or not. The clear and key difference with this case and all others that have been mentioned is that the referee has accepted after reviewing video evidence that he was wrong. Frankly the GAA saying they can't do anything is a blatant lie and should be exposed as such. Goes to show the Uncle Tom's we have posing as journalists in this country.
So if the ref from the Cork-Waterford game reviewed the video and noted he (or his umpires) gave a point to Cork in the wrong (as they did), then it would be appropriate for the game to be awarded to Waterford?
Or does your interpretation of the rule only apply in injury time? Or maybe anything that happens in the last 5 minutes?
In my view you can't change the result of a match when its finished. The only other option (and there is precedent for it) is for Meath to offer a replay if they believe a significant wrong has occurred. But there is certainly no obligation on Meath to do so.
It would appear that after the final whistle Meath players who had just won the match with a blatant foul goal which clearly should not have stood went up to Louth players and said something like 'well played, hard luck etc. etc. Some of the Louth players took exception to being condescended to by the people who had just cheated and stolen the game responded in a manner more often seen in Meath GAA circles and the Meath players now use that as an excuse to hold on to their tarnished baubles
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2010, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
The real problem here is the cowardly actions of the GAA at Central level and the CCCC in particular. The rule says that the committee in charge (the CCCC in this case) award the game on foot of the referees reports. The referee has reviewed video evidence and informed the CCCC that he awarded a goal incorrectly to Meath. Therefore the CCCC should award the game to Louth. Meath would then have to decide whether they would object to this decision or not. The clear and key difference with this case and all others that have been mentioned is that the referee has accepted after reviewing video evidence that he was wrong. Frankly the GAA saying they can't do anything is a blatant lie and should be exposed as such. Goes to show the Uncle Tom's we have posing as journalists in this country.
So if the ref from the Cork-Waterford game reviewed the video and noted he (or his umpires) gave a point to Cork in the wrong (as they did), then it would be appropriate for the game to be awarded to Waterford?
Or does your interpretation of the rule only apply in injury time? Or maybe anything that happens in the last 5 minutes?
In my view you can't change the result of a match when its finished. The only other option (and there is precedent for it) is for Meath to offer a replay if they believe a significant wrong has occurred. But there is certainly no obligation on Meath to do so.
If the CCCC asked him to review it and he decided he made a mistake then yes - the decision should be to award the game to Waterford. Neither of those things happened so lets stick to the script shall we?
I'm not saying its ideal but its clear to me and it should be exposed - the GAA are telling lies and trying to put pressure on Meath who have done nothing wrong in my book. Whether people like it or not committees DO award the match, not the ref.
It just strikes me that GAA results have been overthrown for years by County Boards, Provincial Councils,Central Councils, Uncle Tom Cobble and all over all sorts of minor technicalities and yet here we have the clearest most blatant injustice seen in years and all 'Croke Park' can say is that its nothing to do with them. Any wonder people get frustated and irate and that comment Hardy is not to justify violence of any sort to anybody
I'm not sure Meath can really win in this situation. If they do offer a replay, i'd expect them to win with a bit to spare. Then you'd have some Louth fans still claiming that the first game was the real game and that they were still cheated.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 13, 2010, 11:21:40 AM
What will the nation be outraged about next week?
And believe me, it will be something else next week.
You are probably right, Jinxy; there will be something else for people to talk and argue about next week. That's not to say that the present controversy will go away.
It will continue to cause problems for years to come.
I just wish the Meath players had waited until their testosterone levels had subsided somewhat before arriving at their decision. I'm not saying they should have decided otherwise but they should have been given more time to calmly consider their options.
They will have to abide by the consequences for the rest of their careers. Whether they agreed to a replay or did not, you can be certain they were going to get stick either way.
Sheridan and Peter Fitzpatrick will get reminded of their respective post match for years to come. It's a great pity that the pair of them spoke out as they did. The same applies if it turns out that Meath players refused to give a replay because of the reaction from some Louth players in the immediate aftermath of the game.
If ever there was a time for cool heads and few words, this was it.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 13, 2010, 10:46:28 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2010, 09:15:35 AM
The sad fact it that it is nothing to do with the GAA and nothing to do with Louth that this happened.
It is reflective of society.
That kind of supporter exists in every county and in most sports might I add.
I'd half agree with you on that.
I don't think that the actions of a few so-called fans are representative of the vast majority of Louth supporters. But there is a strong element of the hard man mentality in every county in the land and it's not confined to the menfolk either. I'd go further and say that a wanton disregard for the rules of the game is to be found right down to grass roots level—even kiddies' games are not immune.
I was involved in Cumann na mBunscol activities for many years and I can tell you that primary school games could, and often did, attract a loutish element whose main reason for attending seemed to be to hurl abuse at the ref, umpires, linesmen and everyone else accept the team players they had come along to support.
Mammies on the sideline, often pushing a pram and with a gaggle of young children in tow, and often on the field as well, were a common feature. They spent their time urging their own brats to get stuck in and generally bite, boot and bollack all around them. Every decision that went against their side was actively disputed and pitch invasions were commonplace.
I am not exaggerating in the slightest here; after more than 30 years of involvement at this level, I am speaking (writing?) from personal experience. Behaviour at juvenile club level was even worse.
I don't think such behaviour is just a modern day phenomenon either; it seems to have predated the beginnings of the GAA—a carryover from the faction fights of earlier times. (Pride of the village and all that.)
So the oul' fella used to tell me and he also reckoned that football in his time (the 40s) was much more of a 'man's game' than it was in the 70s and 80s and most observers today would reckon that the standards of both players and fans were far worse then than now.
Back in his playing days, the manager who was also the parish priest, used to lay around him with his blackthorn stick as the players ran out onto the pitch. He reckoned that a few belts were just the thing to motivate his men! ;D
So, the Louth 'fans' last Sunday were following a long and dishonourable tradition and I guess it won't come to an end any time soon. If ever.
Underage games seem quite bad now. I've heard of cases at u12 games of refs getting attacked by women with umbrellas and things like that.
They would frustrate the hell out of you sometimes refs but at the end of the day they are capable of human error and if someone is put in a position they're not competent enough to handle and they don't handle it who's fault is it - is it their own or the people who put them in there?
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2010, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
The real problem here is the cowardly actions of the GAA at Central level and the CCCC in particular. The rule says that the committee in charge (the CCCC in this case) award the game on foot of the referees reports. The referee has reviewed video evidence and informed the CCCC that he awarded a goal incorrectly to Meath. Therefore the CCCC should award the game to Louth. Meath would then have to decide whether they would object to this decision or not. The clear and key difference with this case and all others that have been mentioned is that the referee has accepted after reviewing video evidence that he was wrong. Frankly the GAA saying they can't do anything is a blatant lie and should be exposed as such. Goes to show the Uncle Tom's we have posing as journalists in this country.
So if the ref from the Cork-Waterford game reviewed the video and noted he (or his umpires) gave a point to Cork in the wrong (as they did), then it would be appropriate for the game to be awarded to Waterford?
Or does your interpretation of the rule only apply in injury time? Or maybe anything that happens in the last 5 minutes?
In my view you can't change the result of a match when its finished. The only other option (and there is precedent for it) is for Meath to offer a replay if they believe a significant wrong has occurred. But there is certainly no obligation on Meath to do so.
If the CCCC asked him to review it and he decided he made a mistake then yes - the decision should be to award the game to Waterford. Neither of those things happened so lets stick to the script shall we?
I'm not saying its ideal but its clear to me and it should be exposed - the GAA are telling lies and trying to put pressure on Meath who have done nothing wrong in my book. Whether people like it or not committees DO award the match, not the ref.
"Lets stick to the script" ?? ;D
Sorry, Seanie but that's nonsense.
If your idea was brought in, then games every week would be going to the CCCC for review to look at scores and decisions that were wrong.
It would be beyond ridiculous to change the result of a game because a score had been incorrecty allowed or disallowed - because every score changes the way things can play out. While no doubt the Meath game would have ended with a 1 point Louth victory, nobody can say that Waterford would have won by a point had the Cork score been disallowed.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 11:47:36 AM
I'm not sure Meath can really win in this situation. If they do offer a replay, i'd expect them to win with a bit to spare. Then you'd have some Louth fans still claiming that the first game was the real game and that they were still cheated.
I can no reason for expecting that Meath would beat Louth "with a bit to spare" if they met again.
You can argue this around in circles til the cows come home. Fact is the game is over and Meath won. There was a mistake by the referee but it happens. Meath are blameless in all of this but Irish people like both their scapegoats and band wagons. As many posters suggested mistakes happen in every single game, just see Wexfords game changing "penalty" vs Galway, and if we are going to go down this road the championship would be an endless farce with county after county looking for replays because of some injustice or other. Its tough luck on Louth but they would be better served putting the heads down for a run in the qualifiers rather that whinging and moaning on every media outlet they can get on board. What will the Irish nation be outraged about next week, its beacause of this type of response to petty little things that has the country the way it is. Maybe people should be more concerned about the things that really matter such as those poor lads in Donegal.
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2010, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
The real problem here is the cowardly actions of the GAA at Central level and the CCCC in particular. The rule says that the committee in charge (the CCCC in this case) award the game on foot of the referees reports. The referee has reviewed video evidence and informed the CCCC that he awarded a goal incorrectly to Meath. Therefore the CCCC should award the game to Louth. Meath would then have to decide whether they would object to this decision or not. The clear and key difference with this case and all others that have been mentioned is that the referee has accepted after reviewing video evidence that he was wrong. Frankly the GAA saying they can't do anything is a blatant lie and should be exposed as such. Goes to show the Uncle Tom's we have posing as journalists in this country.
So if the ref from the Cork-Waterford game reviewed the video and noted he (or his umpires) gave a point to Cork in the wrong (as they did), then it would be appropriate for the game to be awarded to Waterford?
Or does your interpretation of the rule only apply in injury time? Or maybe anything that happens in the last 5 minutes?
In my view you can't change the result of a match when its finished. The only other option (and there is precedent for it) is for Meath to offer a replay if they believe a significant wrong has occurred. But there is certainly no obligation on Meath to do so.
If the CCCC asked him to review it and he decided he made a mistake then yes - the decision should be to award the game to Waterford. Neither of those things happened so lets stick to the script shall we?
I'm not saying its ideal but its clear to me and it should be exposed - the GAA are telling lies and trying to put pressure on Meath who have done nothing wrong in my book. Whether people like it or not committees DO award the match, not the ref.
"Lets stick to the script" ?? ;D
Sorry, Seanie but that's nonsense.
If your idea was brought in, then games every week would be going to the CCCC for review to look at scores and decisions that were wrong.
It would be beyond ridiculous to change the result of a game because a score had been incorrecty allowed or disallowed - because every score changes the way things can play out. While no doubt the Meath game would have ended with a 1 point Louth victory, nobody can say that Waterford would have won by a point had the Cork score been disallowed.
Hound - I'm not saying its ideal but as it happens the CCCC are already reviewing things every week for decisions that were wrong. Am I to take it from you that its ok to do that so long as scores are not reviewed? Its not my "idea" Hound - its the rules as they are currently framed. If the GAA's primary concern was justice for Louth (that sounds a little weird/ott but you know what I mean) they have the mechanism to correct the wrong. The fact that they deny this and are putting all the pressure on Meath is in my eyes further scandal upon a scandal.
from what I gather there still has not been a decision made by Meath Co Board yet, just that the players gave their opinion on it, which I presumed would be as was. theyre meetin tonight to decide? When you have the likes of Kenny spoofing on the radio it does not help matters at all.
Just to point out, regardless of any of this, I cannot stand these people who are coming on radio stations left right and centre and these Louth fans with their 'cheats' comments etc who are people that wouldnt bother their h**les turning up to a league game, first round game or even follow GAA remotely except this one bloody day. and suddenly they know everything about rules and fair play etc. drives me nuts. Ill have a decent converstaion with any decent real fan, but I have no time for these one timers who suddenly know it all. >:(
Louth were robbed in fairness. Still no excuse for the scenes which followed. There is no place in any sport for what went on at full time those involved were cleary visible on tv and should be banned for life from attending gaa games.
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 11, 2010, 03:42:30 PM
No matter what Sludden did to be attacked by at least 4 fans is an absolute and total disgrace! The 'fans' that did that are absolute thugs, have let their county down and should be banned for life!
I have made no comment on this at all up to now, but the one that should be banned for life is the moustached one who came down from Tyrone and was hell bent on showing off his authority as if he owned Croke Park. His demanour alone during and after the game showed that his friends he brought along for umpires might as well have been his robots, he was in charge and that was it.
I am sick of listening to and reading in the media that he was attacked, he was not attacked because if I was near him at the end I would have landed him on his arse which would have been an attack, albeit a wrong one.
Another culprit in this was the ref who allowed Sheirdan throw the ball into the net against Laois after receiving a fisted pass across the goalmouth and there was nothing about it. That, along with the idiots who selected Sludden for a Leinster Final are the ones responsible and how this referee in the Meath/Louth game got on the panel while the likes of Dickie Murphy were refused is beyond me. Peter McKenna would be better off sorting out his security problems instead of telling the Gardai what to do and the Gardai would be better off concentrating on the cigarette smugglers and dissadents up around that area than GAA fans who over reacted to what everyone, except that fool from Tyrone could see was daylight robbery on Louth.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 11:58:11 AM
Hound - I'm not saying its ideal but as it happens the CCCC are already reviewing things every week for decisions that were wrong. Am I to take it from you that its ok to do that so long as scores are not reviewed? Its not my "idea" Hound - its the rules as they are currently framed. If the GAA's primary concern was justice for Louth (that sounds a little weird/ott but you know what I mean) they have the mechanism to correct the wrong. The fact that they deny this and are putting all the pressure on Meath is in my eyes further scandal upon a scandal.
Sport is often unfair and unjust, that's part of it. Louth were robbed by an incompetent referree, there is nothing the GAA can do about that after the event.
There is a huge different between reviewing disciplinary matters and reviewing scores. The CCCC decided that Tomas O'Se should have been sent off in the first half v Limerick. He played a huge part in Kerry's narrow victory. Limerick could well have won had the sending off occurred. The least bit of justice Limerick deserved for the mistake by the ref was a replay. But this wasn't even considered by the CCCC - and rightly so in my opinion.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on July 13, 2010, 12:16:05 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 11, 2010, 03:42:30 PM
No matter what Sludden did to be attacked by at least 4 fans is an absolute and total disgrace! The 'fans' that did that are absolute thugs, have let their county down and should be banned for life!
I have made no comment on this at all up to now, but the one that should be banned for life is the moustached one who came down from Tyrone and was hell bent on showing off his authority as if he owned Croke Park. His demanour alone during and after the game showed that his friends he brought along for umpires might as well have been his robots, he was in charge and that was it.
I am sick of listening to and reading in the media that he was attacked, he was not attacked because if I was near him at the end I would have landed him on his arse which would have been an attack, albeit a wrong one.
Another culprit in this was the ref who allowed Sheirdan throw the ball into the net against Dublin after receiving a fisted pass across the goalmouth and there was nothing about it. That, along with the idiots who selected Sludden for a Leinster Final are the ones responsible and how this referee in the Meath/Louth game got on the panel while the likes of Dickie Murphy were refused is beyond me. Peter McKenna would be better off sorting out his security problems instead of telling the Gardai what to do and the Gardai would be better off concentrating on the cigarette smugglers and dissadents up around that area than GAA fans who over reacted to what everyone, except that fool from Tyrone could see was daylight robbery on Louth.
Hit the nail on the head the Bud wiser couldn't agree more.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 12:24:40 PM
Pathetic, Bud.
Dead right Hardstation, he was pathetic. The worst I have ever seen in all my time watching GAA.
Magpie Seanie, is it not fair to say that what gets reviewed using video evidence is exclusively issues of player discipline or indiscipline. As a parallel, rugby has citing commissioners who deal with issues of discipline after the event, but I dont think they have any role in reviewing the scores.
You are right that committees award games, but they do so on the basis of the referees report. While Mr Sludden may have admitted that he made a mistake, he obviously did not amend his report to delete the Meath goal, therefore the final score still stands.
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2010, 11:54:33 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 11:47:36 AM
I'm not sure Meath can really win in this situation. If they do offer a replay, i'd expect them to win with a bit to spare. Then you'd have some Louth fans still claiming that the first game was the real game and that they were still cheated.
I can no reason for expecting that Meath would beat Louth "with a bit to spare" if they met again.
Just my opinion. I think Meath are the better team. I don't think they'd play as poorly again. There's a general pattern that where the underdog miss their chance on the first day, the favourites don't let it slip in the replay.
Anyway, that's almost a side issue - my main angle was what the reaction of Louth would be were Meath to win a replay. Would it be all fair and square or would we still be hearing about last Sunday's match?
Quote from: Bud Wiser on July 13, 2010, 12:16:05 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 11, 2010, 03:42:30 PM
No matter what Sludden did to be attacked by at least 4 fans is an absolute and total disgrace! The 'fans' that did that are absolute thugs, have let their county down and should be banned for life!
I have made no comment on this at all up to now, but the one that should be banned for life is the moustached one who came down from Tyrone and was hell bent on showing off his authority as if he owned Croke Park. His demanour alone during and after the game showed that his friends he brought along for umpires might as well have been his robots, he was in charge and that was it.
I am sick of listening to and reading in the media that he was attacked, he was not attacked because if I was near him at the end I would have landed him on his arse which would have been an attack, albeit a wrong one.
Another culprit in this was the ref who allowed Sheirdan throw the ball into the net against Dublin after receiving a fisted pass across the goalmouth and there was nothing about it. That, along with the idiots who selected Sludden for a Leinster Final are the ones responsible and how this referee in the Meath/Louth game got on the panel while the likes of Dickie Murphy were refused is beyond me. Peter McKenna would be better off sorting out his security problems instead of telling the Gardai what to do and the Gardai would be better off concentrating on the cigarette smugglers and dissadents up around that area than GAA fans who over reacted to what everyone, except that fool from Tyrone could see was daylight robbery on Louth.
Disappointed in that Bud. Surprised as well. Is it only a problem if SLudden was actually split open?
Simply the game is over Meath are Leinster Champions.
Why? The ref recorded it as a goal . If player in the square,if player fouled, if player rolled over line,if player threw ball over line,if umpires decision not counted if ref or player admit they are wrong.
It makes no difference MEATH ARE LEINSTER CHAMPIONS 2010 as the refs notebook records the goal given.
As Colm O Rourke in The Sunday Tribune once wrote around the time of the now famous games with Cork ------- "TO HELL WITH THE BEGRUDDGERS"
(http://www-personal.umich.edu/~abeattie/boyne/2final.JPG)
(https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/rwb/www/teaching/engl209/pics/battle-boyne.jpg)
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Magpie Seanie, is it not fair to say that what gets reviewed using video evidence is exclusively issues of player discipline or indiscipline. As a parallel, rugby has citing commissioners who deal with issues of discipline after the event, but I dont think they have any role in reviewing the scores.
You are right that committees award games, but they do so on the basis of the referees report. While Mr Sludden may have admitted that he made a mistake, he obviously did not amend his report to delete the Meath goal, therefore the final score still stands.
By that rationale then the suspensions of Galvin and O'Sé recently should not have occurred.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Magpie Seanie, is it not fair to say that what gets reviewed using video evidence is exclusively issues of player discipline or indiscipline. As a parallel, rugby has citing commissioners who deal with issues of discipline after the event, but I dont think they have any role in reviewing the scores.
You are right that committees award games, but they do so on the basis of the referees report. While Mr Sludden may have admitted that he made a mistake, he obviously did not amend his report to delete the Meath goal, therefore the final score still stands.
By that rationale then the suspensions of Galvin and O'Sé recently should not have occurred.
No because the procedures make a very obvious and clear distinction between matters of discipline and deciding the outcome of a match.
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2010, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 11:58:11 AM
Hound - I'm not saying its ideal but as it happens the CCCC are already reviewing things every week for decisions that were wrong. Am I to take it from you that its ok to do that so long as scores are not reviewed? Its not my "idea" Hound - its the rules as they are currently framed. If the GAA's primary concern was justice for Louth (that sounds a little weird/ott but you know what I mean) they have the mechanism to correct the wrong. The fact that they deny this and are putting all the pressure on Meath is in my eyes further scandal upon a scandal.
Sport is often unfair and unjust, that's part of it. Louth were robbed by an incompetent referree, there is nothing the GAA can do about that after the event.
There is a huge different between reviewing disciplinary matters and reviewing scores. The CCCC decided that Tomas O'Se should have been sent off in the first half v Limerick. He played a huge part in Kerry's narrow victory. Limerick could well have won had the sending off occurred. The least bit of justice Limerick deserved for the mistake by the ref was a replay. But this wasn't even considered by the CCCC - and rightly so in my opinion.
I disagree completely and I have outlined clearly, citing the rule book, what the GAA can (and should) do. however, it seems in this case that if they keep sticking to the same mantra (with the aid of an unquestioning media) most people will buy it despite the clear evidence to the contrary. A replay is the path of least resisitance and will bring in a few more quid to pay for security barriers and rule books or "cans of worms" are conveniently fucked out the window in the name of expediency.
Saying sport is often unjust and unfair doesn't make it right that its that way. It shouldn't be. We can all accept getting beaten "fair and square" and shouldn't have to accept being cheated.
QuoteDisappointed in that Bud. Surprised as well. Is it only a problem if SLudden was actually split open?
The fact is, he wasn't split open, he got a few pushes and shoves and the way ye are all talking, and RTE having a field day out iof it ye would think that the Black & Tans were after coming into Croke Park again and shooting the place up. Words like "ATTACKS" "RIOTS" I suppose he was lucky he wasn't split open and if I were him I would take a lot of consolation from that and hang hiw whistle on his bedpost and forget about it.
He hadn't even the decency to write in his report that the goal should not be allowed and that makes him to be as big a dictator off the pitch as he was on it.
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Magpie Seanie, is it not fair to say that what gets reviewed using video evidence is exclusively issues of player discipline or indiscipline. As a parallel, rugby has citing commissioners who deal with issues of discipline after the event, but I dont think they have any role in reviewing the scores.
You are right that committees award games, but they do so on the basis of the referees report. While Mr Sludden may have admitted that he made a mistake, he obviously did not amend his report to delete the Meath goal, therefore the final score still stands.
By that rationale then the suspensions of Galvin and O'Sé recently should not have occurred.
No because the procedures make a very obvious and clear distinction between matters of discipline deciding the outcome of a match.
Do they? I assume you can quote me these so-called procedures or a rule to back up your statement? I'd like to see it because it would be news to me.
Being a Louth man on the Meath border......
the last couple of days has been extremely hard to take....i know there is more to life and it could be a lot worse.....but when you get a second alone to yourself your mind wanders to disbelief and a sick feeling at the bottom of your gut......
But I'd like to analysis the game first and foremost
It is harsh due to the circumstances we lost but I feel we should have won the game before the circumstances arisen...
The turning point for me was the difference in free taking Cian Ward scored a superb pressure free beyond the fifty yard line and then Brian White missed free would have left 2 in it hence no playing for a draw
What really annoys me and where I feel Meath fans let themselves down is the sheer brashness and ignorance of the other teams dismay...creating petty arguments instead of just accepting the injustice saying nothing and moving on.....
where can you see the details of referees report???
Quote from: Bud Wiser on July 13, 2010, 12:54:10 PM
QuoteDisappointed in that Bud. Surprised as well. Is it only a problem if SLudden was actually split open?
The fact is, he wasn't split open, he got a few pushes and shoves and the way ye are all talking, and RTE having a field day out iof it ye would think that the Black & Tans were after coming into Croke Park again and shooting the place up. Words like "ATTACKS" "RIOTS" I suppose he was lucky he wasn't split open and if I were him I would take a lot of consolation from that and hang hiw whistle on his bedpost and forget about it.
He hadn't even the decency to write in his report that the goal should not be allowed and that makes him to be as big a dictator off the pitch as he was on it.
Dont know where u get your info, but in his report he clearly states that the goal should not have been allowed and that he made a mistake. The Louth corner back made a mistake by losing the ball and giving away a free just before the goal, I dont see you saying that he should have been split!
Quotewhere can you see the details of referees report???
If your from Louth forget about the referees report and keep yer heads up and go on and win the rest of your games. You have a massive groundswell of support now, use it.
Even Meath weren't offered the courtesy of a view of the referee's report, it seems, even though everybody from GAA HQ to Joe Duffy felt free to invite them to give back the cup on the basis of it. And some of them feeling happy to call them cheats and worse, as well, in the same breath as begging them to be nice.
Bud - that's off-the-wall stuff. I assume you're on the wind-up.
QuoteDont know where u get your info, but in his report he clearly states that the goal should not have been allowed and that he made a mistake.
That is where he stopped. What he should have said was that the goal was a mistake, the final score was Louth 1-10 Meath 0-12.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Magpie Seanie, is it not fair to say that what gets reviewed using video evidence is exclusively issues of player discipline or indiscipline. As a parallel, rugby has citing commissioners who deal with issues of discipline after the event, but I dont think they have any role in reviewing the scores.
You are right that committees award games, but they do so on the basis of the referees report. While Mr Sludden may have admitted that he made a mistake, he obviously did not amend his report to delete the Meath goal, therefore the final score still stands.
By that rationale then the suspensions of Galvin and O'Sé recently should not have occurred.
No because the procedures make a very obvious and clear distinction between matters of discipline deciding the outcome of a match.
Do they? I assume you can quote me these so-called procedures or a rule to back up your statement? I'd like to see it because it would be news to me.
I am quite sure that the rule is not drafted well enough to support what I am saying however the precedent is that the cccc reviews issues of discipline, but that is only a side issue.
Your point that committees award matches is true but only on the basis of the referees report, I have not seen it, have you ? But I can only assume that the goal remains in the record.
If you think it is a good idea that an intended disciplinary body be used to decide on scores, then I couldnt agree with that. The principle of hard cases making poor law should be kept in mind.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 12:53:23 PM
I disagree completely and I have outlined clearly, citing the rule book, what the GAA can (and should) do. however, it seems in this case that if they keep sticking to the same mantra (with the aid of an unquestioning media) most people will buy it despite the clear evidence to the contrary. A replay is the path of least resisitance and will bring in a few more quid to pay for security barriers and rule books or "cans of worms" are conveniently fucked out the window in the name of expediency.
Saying sport is often unjust and unfair doesn't make it right that its that way. It shouldn't be. We can all accept getting beaten "fair and square" and shouldn't have to accept being cheated.
Of course we're entitled to disagree, but I think the idea is just mental.
They couldnt just do this for one game. Can you imagine Sligo playing Tyrone in an All Ireland semi-final. The match finishes level. But in the 20th minute Sligo were awarded a point, that television replays show is clearly wide. The CCCC review the video evidence and award the game to Tyrone by 1 point.
You honestly believe that would be fair and just and a proper procedure to take?
Quote from: Bud Wiser on July 13, 2010, 01:03:52 PM
Quotewhere can you see the details of referees report???
If your from Louth forget about the referees report and keep yer heads up and go on and win the rest of your games. You have a massive groundswell of support now, use it.
its just that people are quoting the report...i thought it was in the public domain
and hardstation get off your high horse
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on July 13, 2010, 01:07:33 PM
QuoteDont know where u get your info, but in his report he clearly states that the goal should not have been allowed and that he made a mistake.
That is where he stopped. What he should have said was that the goal was a mistake, the final score was Louth 1-10 Meath 0-12.
You should have just got down there and 'landed him on his arse' because you are a hard man.
The mere whiff of Bud's (dutch courage) breath would have knocked Sludden out cold.
Bud wiser, could you please leave the cigarette smugglers out of this row. They have enough to contend with.And are a great help to us smokers.
It would be interesting to see it allright, for one reason - I wonder did he put in it what he had to say himself to the Gardai and to those around him whenh he was shouting at the end of the game.
Bud, you just want this to reach 100 pages don't you? :D
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Magpie Seanie, is it not fair to say that what gets reviewed using video evidence is exclusively issues of player discipline or indiscipline. As a parallel, rugby has citing commissioners who deal with issues of discipline after the event, but I dont think they have any role in reviewing the scores.
You are right that committees award games, but they do so on the basis of the referees report. While Mr Sludden may have admitted that he made a mistake, he obviously did not amend his report to delete the Meath goal, therefore the final score still stands.
By that rationale then the suspensions of Galvin and O'Sé recently should not have occurred.
No because the procedures make a very obvious and clear distinction between matters of discipline deciding the outcome of a match.
Do they? I assume you can quote me these so-called procedures or a rule to back up your statement? I'd like to see it because it would be news to me.
From the rule book under the section on The Central Competitions Control Committee
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees
within Provinces and Counties to enforce the
penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to
Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 13, 2010, 01:21:21 PM
Bud, you just want this to reach 100 pages don't you? :D
Nah, his hot hair will fade, he hasn't the stamina for a real fight.
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:34:24 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Magpie Seanie, is it not fair to say that what gets reviewed using video evidence is exclusively issues of player discipline or indiscipline. As a parallel, rugby has citing commissioners who deal with issues of discipline after the event, but I dont think they have any role in reviewing the scores.
You are right that committees award games, but they do so on the basis of the referees report. While Mr Sludden may have admitted that he made a mistake, he obviously did not amend his report to delete the Meath goal, therefore the final score still stands.
By that rationale then the suspensions of Galvin and O'Sé recently should not have occurred.
No because the procedures make a very obvious and clear distinction between matters of discipline deciding the outcome of a match.
Do they? I assume you can quote me these so-called procedures or a rule to back up your statement? I'd like to see it because it would be news to me.
From the rule book under the section on The Central Competitions Control Committee
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees
within Provinces and Counties to enforce the
penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to
Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
What about a), b), c) d) and f) :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 13, 2010, 01:36:50 PM
Do they? I assume you can quote me these so-called procedures or a rule to back up your statement? I'd like to see it because it would be news to me.
From the rule book under the section on The Central Competitions Control Committee
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees
within Provinces and Counties to enforce the
penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to
Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
[/quote]
What about a), b), c) d) and f) :)
[/quote]
3.51 The Central Competitions Control Committee
(a) It shall consist of a Chairperson and one member
from each of the four Provinces, appointed by the
Management Committee. These members shall have
a responsibility in relation to each function outlined
in this Rule.
Additionally, the Secretary of each of the four
Provincial Councils, shall be members with joint
responsibility with the other members for the
functions outlined in (b) below.
(b) It shall be responsible for Competition Scheduling
and for Arrangements and Control of Games
(excluding appointment of Referees) under the
jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(c) It shall investigate and process matters relating
to the Enforcement of Rules (including hearing
Objections and Counter Objections) and Match
Regulations arising from Competitions and Games
under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(d) It shall investigate and process matters relating to
the Enforcement of Rules (excluding Objections
and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations
arising from Provincial Inter-County Senior
Championship Games.
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees
within Provinces and Counties to enforce the
penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to
Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
(f) It shall prepare Match Regulations for the
consideration and decision of the Management
Committee and Central Council.
I think the relevant sections are d and e and e has the effect of qualifying d so that it applies to disciplinary issues.
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:39:12 PM
3.51 The Central Competitions Control Committee
(a) It shall consist of a Chairperson and one member from each of the four Provinces, appointed by the Management Committee. These members shall have
a responsibility in relation to each function outlined in this Rule. Additionally, the Secretary of each of the four Provincial Councils, shall be members with joint responsibility with the other members for the functions outlined in (b) below.
b) It shall be responsible for Competition Scheduling and for Arrangements and Control of Games (excluding appointment of Referees) under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(c) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (including hearing Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Competitions and Games under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(d) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (excluding Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Provincial Inter-County Senior Championship Games.
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees within Provinces and Counties to enforce the penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
(f) It shall prepare Match Regulations for the consideration and decision of the Management Committee and Central Council.
Looks like it might have some scope to act?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:39:12 PM
3.51 The Central Competitions Control Committee
(a) It shall consist of a Chairperson and one member from each of the four Provinces, appointed by the Management Committee. These members shall have
a responsibility in relation to each function outlined in this Rule. Additionally, the Secretary of each of the four Provincial Councils, shall be members with joint responsibility with the other members for the functions outlined in (b) below.
b) It shall be responsible for Competition Scheduling and for Arrangements and Control of Games (excluding appointment of Referees) under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(c) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (including hearing Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Competitions and Games under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(d) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (excluding Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Provincial Inter-County Senior Championship Games.
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees within Provinces and Counties to enforce the penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
(f) It shall prepare Match Regulations for the consideration and decision of the Management Committee and Central Council.
Looks like it might have some scope to act?
I dont think so, C) I dont think applies to the Leinster Final. d) does apply, but e) proscribes that it only has power to direct in relation to disciplinary matters.
Maybe if there are some solicitors out there they could interpret the various sections.
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:39:12 PM
3.51 The Central Competitions Control Committee
(a) It shall consist of a Chairperson and one member from each of the four Provinces, appointed by the Management Committee. These members shall have
a responsibility in relation to each function outlined in this Rule. Additionally, the Secretary of each of the four Provincial Councils, shall be members with joint responsibility with the other members for the functions outlined in (b) below.
b) It shall be responsible for Competition Scheduling and for Arrangements and Control of Games (excluding appointment of Referees) under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(c) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (including hearing Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Competitions and Games under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(d) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (excluding Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Provincial Inter-County Senior Championship Games.
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees within Provinces and Counties to enforce the penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
(f) It shall prepare Match Regulations for the consideration and decision of the Management Committee and Central Council.
Looks like it might have some scope to act?
I dont think so, C) I dont think applies to the Leinster Final. d) does apply, but e) proscribes that it only has power to direct in relation to disciplinary matters.
Maybe if there are some solicitors out there they could interpret the various sections.
So does E invalidate D?
Nah, don't want to reach 100 pages but I am expressing my opinion and I will express it again:
1. It was the wrong choice of referee in the first place and before the championships started there were questions about the panels of referees and how they were selected.
2. He proved himself to be the wrong selection.
3. His match report should have stated that the score was 1-10 to 0-12.
4. The amount of media coverage about him being attacked, compared with his own arrogance at the end of the game was over cooked in the media, nobody died and he didn't even get a good belt.
As regards 'hard man, dutch courage etc, etc, in my years of playing I never had a go at a referee but what I said was that if I was a Louth player on Sunday at the end of the game and he was still in my face, and I believe at one stage in the face of a Garda, instead of getting off the field I could not guarantee that I would have shown the restraint that some of the Louth players did.
You would think from the reports that he was after being hung drawn and quartered when in fact it was mild compared to some of the other scenes he has found himself in before - poor devil'
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44217000/jpg/_44217607_crossbrawl203.jpg)
The man in the nmiddle.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:39:12 PM
3.51 The Central Competitions Control Committee
(a) It shall consist of a Chairperson and one member from each of the four Provinces, appointed by the Management Committee. These members shall have
a responsibility in relation to each function outlined in this Rule. Additionally, the Secretary of each of the four Provincial Councils, shall be members with joint responsibility with the other members for the functions outlined in (b) below.
b) It shall be responsible for Competition Scheduling and for Arrangements and Control of Games (excluding appointment of Referees) under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(c) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (including hearing Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Competitions and Games under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(d) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (excluding Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Provincial Inter-County Senior Championship Games.
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees within Provinces and Counties to enforce the penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
(f) It shall prepare Match Regulations for the consideration and decision of the Management Committee and Central Council.
Looks like it might have some scope to act?
I dont think so, C) I dont think applies to the Leinster Final. d) does apply, but e) proscribes that it only has power to direct in relation to disciplinary matters.
Maybe if there are some solicitors out there they could interpret the various sections.
So does E invalidate D?
It doesnt invalidate it but I think it qualifies it so that the power to direct is only on disciplinary issues. Where is Joe Brolly when you need him.
Decision on Meath v Louth replay – Live updates
13:50 update
Meath County board, Players & Management will issue a statement at 8pm tonight after a meeting...
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:39:12 PM
3.51 The Central Competitions Control Committee
(a) It shall consist of a Chairperson and one member from each of the four Provinces, appointed by the Management Committee. These members shall have
a responsibility in relation to each function outlined in this Rule. Additionally, the Secretary of each of the four Provincial Councils, shall be members with joint responsibility with the other members for the functions outlined in (b) below.
b) It shall be responsible for Competition Scheduling and for Arrangements and Control of Games (excluding appointment of Referees) under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(c) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (including hearing Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Competitions and Games under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(d) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (excluding Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Provincial Inter-County Senior Championship Games.
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees within Provinces and Counties to enforce the penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
(f) It shall prepare Match Regulations for the consideration and decision of the Management Committee and Central Council.
Looks like it might have some scope to act?
I dont think so, C) I dont think applies to the Leinster Final. d) does apply, but e) proscribes that it only has power to direct in relation to disciplinary matters.
Maybe if there are some solicitors out there they could interpret the various sections.
So does E invalidate D?
It doesnt invalidate it but I think it qualifies it so that the power to direct is only on disciplinary issues. Where is Joe Brolly when you need him.
Ara come on now Fearglasmor - you're just wrong on this. I suspect you knew as much with your decision to quote only part (e) initially. The CCCC is about more than merely discipline. The clue is in the name - Central Competitions Control Committee. No procedure exists that
"make a very obvious and clear distinction between matters of discipline deciding the outcome of a match" as you asserted.
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 01:39:12 PM
3.51 The Central Competitions Control Committee
(a) It shall consist of a Chairperson and one member from each of the four Provinces, appointed by the Management Committee. These members shall have
a responsibility in relation to each function outlined in this Rule. Additionally, the Secretary of each of the four Provincial Councils, shall be members with joint responsibility with the other members for the functions outlined in (b) below.
b) It shall be responsible for Competition Scheduling and for Arrangements and Control of Games (excluding appointment of Referees) under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(c) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (including hearing Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Competitions and Games under the jurisdiction of the Central Council.
(d) It shall investigate and process matters relating to the Enforcement of Rules (excluding Objections and Counter Objections) and Match Regulations arising from Provincial Inter-County Senior Championship Games.
(e) It shall have the authority to direct Committees within Provinces and Counties to enforce the penalties prescribed in these Rules relating to Disciplinary Matters arising from Games.
(f) It shall prepare Match Regulations for the consideration and decision of the Management Committee and Central Council.
Looks like it might have some scope to act?
I dont think so, C) I dont think applies to the Leinster Final. d) does apply, but e) proscribes that it only has power to direct in relation to disciplinary matters.
Maybe if there are some solicitors out there they could interpret the various sections.
So does E invalidate D?
It doesnt invalidate it but I think it qualifies it so that the power to direct is only on disciplinary issues. Where is Joe Brolly when you need him.
E does not invalidate or qualify powers prescribed elsewhere in the section.
In relation to D, Is "Enforcement of Rules" defined elsewhere in the document? Or is "enforcement" and "rules" defined separately? They should be since they are in caps. Its open to interpretation the extent of powers under "investigate and process".
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 02:08:04 PM
Ara come on now Fearglasmor - you're just wrong on this. I suspect you knew as much with your decision to quote only part (e) initially. The CCCC is about more than merely discipline. The clue is in the name - Central Competitions Control Committee. No procedure exists that "make a very obvious and clear distinction between matters of discipline deciding the outcome of a match" as you asserted.
I dont know Seanie, section e) looks fairly clear to me.
In reality have the cccc made any decisions on matters that weren't related to discipline ?
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 02:08:04 PM
Ara come on now Fearglasmor - you're just wrong on this. I suspect you knew as much with your decision to quote only part (e) initially. The CCCC is about more than merely discipline. The clue is in the name - Central Competitions Control Committee. No procedure exists that "make a very obvious and clear distinction between matters of discipline deciding the outcome of a match" as you asserted.
I dont know Seanie, section e) looks fairly clear to me.
In reality have the cccc made any decisions on matters that weren't related to discipline ?
If you completely ignore everything else bar section (e) you are right but you can't do that. You are right to say that they have only acted on disciplinary matters but I am correct in what I am saying too. Why they have chosen not to act in this matter is a matter for them but under the rules they can.
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2010, 02:08:04 PM
Ara come on now Fearglasmor - you're just wrong on this. I suspect you knew as much with your decision to quote only part (e) initially. The CCCC is about more than merely discipline. The clue is in the name - Central Competitions Control Committee. No procedure exists that "make a very obvious and clear distinction between matters of discipline deciding the outcome of a match" as you asserted.
I dont know Seanie, section e) looks fairly clear to me.
In reality have the cccc made any decisions on matters that weren't related to discipline ?
If thats the entire section you have quoted above there is no way e can be regarded as been anything other than an additional function of the commitee as those set out in subsections b, c, d and f.
Céard is bri le baoithe ?
i was listening to the match on sunday and when i heard what happened i felt so sorry for louth probably because i really wanted them to win and bring an end to their long wait for a provincial title ( however if say Kerry Cork or even Roscommon ;) had lost in a similar fashion i could not have cared less ) Then i saw what happened on the sunday game and listened to all the radio shows for the past 48 hours and people are calling Meath ang Joe Sheridan cheats and comparing them to France and Henry now wtf are they on ( can't believe i'm sticking up for Meath) in fairness there were two umpires within 3 foot of what happened so i believe they fcuked up the referee made his decesion awarded the goal and Meath won the match . Now what happened afterwards shouldn't be condoned but thankfully the referee didn't get really bad blow even though in fairness it could have got out of hand however ya cannot label all the Louth supporters thugs because of the actions of a few sure every county has a fair dollop of gobshites , so what do they Gaa want they put all the pressure on the meath county board for them to agree to a replay. now for pure sporting reasons they probably should however if we are to believe some of the stuff that happened between the players afterwards why should they . i know its easy to say but the louth players and supporters have just got to put in behind them and get on with it it aint easy sure we in Mayo still have not got over Liam Mc Been sent off in 1996
At least back in 1998 the Offaly folk had the decency to sit quietly on the grass in protest. On the other hand Jimmy Cooney wasnt available to them. He had been hoisted away in double quick time.
What an aptly named thread title. It sure did turn into a battle. :D
Meath have to offer a replay now, sure the ref admitted he made a mistake. I'm not sure they will though. I agree with stephenite something has to be done with umpires. First, they should have their eyes tested. Did the other umpire (one at white flag) stoop as if he was going to put the flag up???
Massive thread this and have only skimmed its content but... On the issue of comparisons of J. Sheridan and Meath to T. Henry and France i would say there is a comparison i could make. On both these occasions players did something in a split second, without contemplation, which were contrary to the rules and which consequently defeated the superior team.
On each occasion i would lay the blame fairly and and squarely at the feet of the officials. In each case TV showed that even if the referee didnt, other officials had a clear view of what happened and there was no communication as to what either saw.
Players constantly, constantly bend and break the rules the officials are there to ensure the rules are applied. There are several officials in GAA so that they can work together to ensure this happens. On Sunday at Croke Park. Mr Sludden showed arrogance beyond belief. It is this arrogance that is giving referees a poor reputation not only county level but also club level. The most arrogant Refs seem to get the higher profile games (Pat McEnaney aside).
As for the GAA... I would not expect anything else from them-spineless deflecting responsibility onto either the officials or Meath. It would be a noble move by Meath to grant a replay but it should've been taken out of their hands long ago.
Meath have no shame that much is obvious. If they don't offer at least a replay they will be the laughing stock of the country, even more so than they already.
Their thuggish players will never given into having a replay. They wouldn't risk being beaten yet and embarrassed yet again.
That Meath team needs to be battered into next week and have manners put on them. Once Bernard Morris is named Cavan manager, we will happily oblige next year in the qualifiers.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2010, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 12, 2010, 09:50:42 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 12, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
QuoteSligonian the sad thing here is that you're not even takin the piss. Happy for Sligo in general to have performed so well this year but you do them no favours spoutin shite like that.
I don't agree with sligonian but that's a nonsense post.
I wouldn't really call Sheridan a cheat, I don't blame him for diving over the line or arguing with the ref and umpire that it was a goal, all heat of the moment stuff but someone really needs to tell him to stop talking to the media, if he can't be honest. He's doing himself no favours and is adding fuel to the fire.
Whats nonsense about it? Sligonian is letting down all Sligo fans with that drivel defending those thugs.
I agree with you re Sheridan. Getting undue criticism. Any player would have accepted a goal decision in that instance whether they knew it was a foul or not. His media comments were'nt the most diplomatic but he was put on the spot.
I speak for myself is what POG getting at rossmatt, i dont represent the views of Sligo people in general. Everyone on here is entitled to their view and only represent themselves, and to be honest ross matt ive an understanding of the louth fans anger. So i think we should go easy on them but still punish them. Ive seen worse acts on a GAA field and they werent banned for life or given jail sentences which are complete overreactions. I can safely say ive never been involved in a negative incident on a GAA field, never even got booked in my whole playing days so ye cant say im as bad as them either.
It seems the Meath CB are waiting on the ref report before deciding and no decision will be made tonight. I think if Meath offer a replay they are well within there rights to get it played in Navan.
And with Louth missing all the players who verbally abused Martin Sludden.
Surely they should request for these bookings be recinded on the basis that Sludden is an utter useless so and so. They where correct to argue, again I'm going to say it, Keith Higgins was right too, no red card.
Decision on Meath v Louth replay – Live updates
16:50 update
Louth Statement
On Tues 13th July, a meeting was held by the Management Committee of the Louth County Board to consider all avenues available in light of events to date in relation to the LSFC Final on Sun 11th July.....
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
The refs report and its content is very important to both counties.
From a Meath point of view if as I expect he records a Meath victory, admitting mistakes afterwards will not change the result as supplied by him.
Tough one-but upon mature reflection-I thought I would add my 2 Cents worth.
(1) GAA players are fantastic athletes-they are not fantastic sportsmen.
(2) The goal of your team is to get more scores on the scoreboard than your opposition.How you do it-thats up to you (unfortunately!)
(3) Having human beings as referees/umps/linesmen inevitably leads to decisions that are unfair/wrong/inconsistent. Its part and parcel of the game and unless we start reviewing every single play we cant start picking and choosing.
(4) Meath should not be put in a position to make that decision. Either have a formal "top of house" review process or dont.
(5) Clearly define the roles of linesmen and umpires. Give them earpieces so they can communicate real time.
(6) Theres no easy solution to this one-Louth deserved to win but they didnt. (and I was cheering for them)
(7) Referee is sancrosanct-(even if hes a boll0cks). No one should be allowed to approach him after the game. He should be immediately shepherded into his changiing room by 4 Garda (not sticking around like a tool writing stuff in his book adding fuel to the fire)
BTW_I am a Mayo supporter and have no great love for Meath football, but do admire their tenacity and never say die attitude-WISH WE HAD IT!!!
The GAA might start recruiting match officials from these lads
(http://www.dcu.ie/dcubs/news/2009/images/eddie_banville_national_lottery_at_lecture.jpg)
Quote from: whitey on July 13, 2010, 05:15:52 PM
Tough one-but upon mature reflection-I thought I would add my 2 Cents worth.
(1) GAA players are fantastic athletes-they are not fantastic sportsmen.
(2) The goal of your team is to get more scores on the scoreboard than your opposition.How you do it-thats up to you (unfortunately!)
(3) Having human beings as referees/umps/linesmen inevitably leads to decisions that are unfair/wrong/inconsistent. Its part and parcel of the game and unless we start reviewing every single play we cant start picking and choosing.
(4) Meath should not be put in a position to make that decision. Either have a formal "top of house" review process or dont.
(5) Clearly define the roles of linesmen and umpires. Give them earpieces so they can communicate real time.
(6) Theres no easy solution to this one-Louth deserved to win but they didnt. (and I was cheering for them)
(7) Referee is sancrosanct-(even if hes a boll0cks). No one should be allowed to approach him after the game. He should be immediately shepherded into his changiing room by 4 Garda (not sticking around like a tool writing stuff in his book adding fuel to the fire)
BTW_I am a Mayo supporter and have no great love for Meath football, but do admire their tenacity and never say die attitude-WISH WE HAD IT!!!
Agee with all of the above, but the GAA are always slow in moving with the times rules wise. Has probably to do with the hierarchy of the organisation.
BTW. The 'Meath Never Say Die' is one of the biggest Myths of Gaelic Football Media Sensationalism. How can a team with a never say die attitude not have won a (rather weak) Leinster and barely competed in a final in 9 years.
Decision on Meath v Louth replay – Live updates | SportsNewsIreland
18:10 update
It seems that the Louth County Board are seeking Legal advice about the wording of the referees report and if as stated the last score was given in "error" the final score should read 1-10 to 0-12 and Louth win the Leinster title
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Quote from: GAA_Punter on July 13, 2010, 06:21:04 PM
Decision on Meath v Louth replay – Live updates | SportsNewsIreland
18:10 update
It seems that the Louth County Board are seeking Legal advice about the wording of the referees report and if as stated the last score was given in "error" the final score should read 1-12 to 0-10 and Louth win the Leinster title
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
I like it, the GAA should not be allowed to hope this will go away.
Liam Hayes on Today FM Now
Wonderful. Leinster championship decided by a judge.
It will be decided upon by Refs reports . The information started by R.T.E this morning may be only a view of how it will be decided. Last night information was more accurate on this forum. No guesswork
RTE 1 Now
Was the ball kicked out after the "goal"? Or did the final whistle go before the kick out?
Quote from: Hardy on July 13, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Wonderful. Leinster championship decided by a judge.
Well at the moment it's being decided by Meath county board! What's the difference?
And I'm not in favour of a replay!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 13, 2010, 06:24:20 PM
Quote from: GAA_Punter on July 13, 2010, 06:21:04 PM
Decision on Meath v Louth replay – Live updates | SportsNewsIreland
18:10 update
It seems that the Louth County Board are seeking Legal advice about the wording of the referees report and if as stated the last score was given in "error" the final score should read 1-12 to 0-10 and Louth win the Leinster title
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
I like it, the GAA should not be allowed to hope this will go away.
I don't believe what I am hearing.
Hardy can you confirm the Meath players have voted against it? That would be fair enough but it appears they have qualified it by taking the high moral ground on player behaviour.
Please tell me this lobbing of a BP wellhead of fuel on the fire isn't true?
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2010, 06:49:09 PM
Was the ball kicked out after the "goal"? Or did the final whistle go before the kick out?
It would appear that whistle was blown as soon as Gally kicked out the ball, clock at just under 75 minutes, Cen Fath??
Louth not holding their breath for Leinster final replay
Louth selector Martin McQuillan insists that Louth are not holding their breath hoping that the Leinster final will be replayed.
Meath's controversial winner has led many to call for a replay as Joe Sheridan's illegitimate goal robbed Louth of their first Leinster title for 53 years.
After the match, a despondent MqQuillan said: "Chances of a replay are all pie in the sky. I personally couldn't take it. You have to take it on the chin and move on."
The Armagh man also spoke of the heartache in the dressing room.
"There's some lads that are speechless there, but we are going to have to lift them for the qualifiers in a fortnights time.
"That's going to be a difficult job to do. But it has to be done. We have to move on."
Dundalk Democrat
any word on a replay?
Quote from: meathie on July 13, 2010, 12:04:15 PM
from what I gather there still has not been a decision made by Meath Co Board yet, just that the players gave their opinion on it, which I presumed would be as was. theyre meetin tonight to decide? When you have the likes of Kenny spoofing on the radio it does not help matters at all.
Just to point out, regardless of any of this, I cannot stand these people who are coming on radio stations left right and centre and these Louth fans with their 'cheats' comments etc who are people that wouldnt bother their h**les turning up to a league game, first round game or even follow GAA remotely except this one bloody day. and suddenly they know everything about rules and fair play etc. drives me nuts. Ill have a decent converstaion with any decent real fan, but I have no time for these one timers who suddenly know it all. >:(
Agree with you. There was a letter into the Indo today from a Louth 'fan' who never set foot in Croke Park before! :o
God I hope this complete farcical situation will f**king die soon. I don't give a f**k what the outcome is in regards replay or if they throw the f**king trophy in the bin, but the lunatics and scumbags on this board and elsewhere have really let themselves , the games and the country down.
I cant believe some of the nonsense I've read on here. People advocating the beating up of referees, players being labelled as cheats and thugs.
We've heard stories of players being hit, stewards hit by bottles, supporters being attacked outside Croke Park after the game as well. This whole shameful episode has ruined the GAA in my eyes. From the top, right down to the supporters. The game has been disgraced on nearly every level. I wonder will I ever sit in Croke Park or any GAA ground again, right now I dont think so.
I don't care anymore. I'm done with this. Lets get ready for the next game. Maybe with a little luck we will meet Meath in the All Ireland and exact our revenge on the loosers that they have turned out to be. What would be sweeter than kicking their asses around HQ with the whole country roaring us on.
Quote from: thejuice on July 13, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
God I hope this complete farcical situation will f**king die soon. I don't give a f**k what the outcome is in regards replay or if they throw the f**king trophy in the bin, but the lunatics and scumbags on this board and elsewhere have really let themselves , the games and the country down.
I cant believe some of the nonsense I've read on here. People advocating the beating up of referees, players being labelled as cheats and thugs.
We've heard stories of players being hit, stewards hit by bottles, supporters being attacked outside Croke Park after the game as well. This whole shameful episode has ruined the GAA in my eyes. From the top, right down to the supporters. The game has been disgraced on nearly every level. I wonder will I ever sit in Croke Park or any GAA ground again, right now I dont think so.
Fair enough but do you not think you're going a bit OTT yourself by letting other people's hysteria get to you?
Quote from: thejuice on July 13, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
I cant believe some of the nonsense I've read on here. People advocating the beating up of referees, players being labelled as cheats and thugs.
A very small minority
QuoteWe've heard stories of players being hit, stewards hit by bottles, supporters being attacked outside Croke Park after the game as well.
"Stories" being the important word. A steward was hit by a bottle and a player was hit by a fan. Both disgraceful. Almost everything else has been comletely fabricated, and it does nobody any good repeating such rubbish. That's how you get people believing the rubbish about Sean Boylan being assaulted, despite Sean announcing on national radio that it was nonsense.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 13, 2010, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 13, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
God I hope this complete farcical situation will f**king die soon. I don't give a f**k what the outcome is in regards replay or if they throw the f**king trophy in the bin, but the lunatics and scumbags on this board and elsewhere have really let themselves , the games and the country down.
I cant believe some of the nonsense I've read on here. People advocating the beating up of referees, players being labelled as cheats and thugs.
We've heard stories of players being hit, stewards hit by bottles, supporters being attacked outside Croke Park after the game as well. This whole shameful episode has ruined the GAA in my eyes. From the top, right down to the supporters. The game has been disgraced on nearly every level. I wonder will I ever sit in Croke Park or any GAA ground again, right now I dont think so.
Fair enough but do you not think you're going a bit OTT yourself by letting other people's hysteria get to you?
Chin up Juice, you've carried yourself with great dignity in all your posts to date. At one point I couldn't believe the absolute shite being spouted on this thread from the numbnuts, WUMs and those that should know better. As Hound has said there is a lot of it that doesn't have substance. Even the thoughts of bringing my son to an underage game in Meath pains me at the moment, but in time....
Quote from: thejuice on July 13, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
God I hope this complete farcical situation will f**king die soon. I don't give a f**k what the outcome is in regards replay or if they throw the f**king trophy in the bin, but the lunatics and scumbags on this board and elsewhere have really let themselves , the games and the country down.
I cant believe some of the nonsense I've read on here. People advocating the beating up of referees, players being labelled as cheats and thugs.
We've heard stories of players being hit, stewards hit by bottles, supporters being attacked outside Croke Park after the game as well. This whole shameful episode has ruined the GAA in my eyes. From the top, right down to the supporters. The game has been disgraced on nearly every level. I wonder will I ever sit in Croke Park or any GAA ground again, right now I dont think so.
The Meath players have voted against having a replay even though they know they received the win due to a huge and unbelievable error by the ref. The victory is hollow and worthless. You would think they would relish the chance to go back and win it fair and square and be remembered for being sporting men. What will they be remembered as now - cheats? What does this say about the Meath football team? - To me it says they are willing to do anything to get their medals and that fairness, right and wrong and the sporting values of the GAA are less important than Meath winning this cup. If this is the way Meath will treat Louth then I hope they get whats coming to them in their next match.
And I have had enough of Louth's dumb crest. A big pile of concrete and half the dam thing is Meath. Can we please get rid of it. There is so much to Louth beside a dumb new bridge that can only transport you to County Cheath.
Quote from: pkerin on July 13, 2010, 08:01:01 PM
And I have had enough of Louth's dumb crest. A big pile of concrete and half the dam thing is Meath. Can we please get rid of it. There is so much to Louth beside a dumb new bridge that can only transport you to County Cheath.
Surely ye should have Setanta on it as he was from Cooley.
Quote
We've heard stories of players being hit, stewards hit by bottles, supporters being attacked outside Croke Park after the game as well.
"Stories" being the important word. A steward was hit by a bottle and a player was hit by a fan. Both disgraceful. Almost everything else has been comletely fabricated, and it does nobody any good repeating such rubbish. That's how you get people believing the rubbish about Sean Boylan being assaulted, despite Sean announcing on national radio that it was nonsense
The above are facts no matter what he says. Its just the gentleman he is. May I suggest check it out.
Ian O'Doherty from todays Irish Independent
It's the spirit of the Gael...
One of the things that separates True Gaels from us Dublin-based, city-slicking West Brits is, of course, adherence to Gaelic football.
Indeed, the moral superiority displayed by the GAA-loving, troglodyte turf munchers is how the practitioners and fans of their code are more in tune with old concepts like honour and being a man, while fans of proper football are dismissed as just a bunch of degenerate knackers.
That attitude was best displayed two weeks ago by Antrim coach, Liam Bradley, when he condemned some opposition supporters and said witheringly: "A lot of my players took a lot of flak from supporters. You would have thought it was more of a soccer match than a Gaelic match."
So it was truly, undeniably hilarious to watch the scenes of untrammelled muck savagery in Croker on Sunday.
Fans attacking the ref; police protecting the ref; stewards getting bottled over the head; general carnage and good, old fashioned thuggery were the order of the day.
Yup, they truly do hold the moral high ground, for sure.
Although, in fairness, that melee was a hell of a lot more interesting than the complete dog of a World Cup final which followed ...
Please dont reproduce anything written by that individual on here.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
Ian O'Doherty from todays Irish Independent
It's the spirit of the Gael...
One of the things that separates True Gaels from us Dublin-based, city-slicking West Brits is, of course, adherence to Gaelic football.
Indeed, the moral superiority displayed by the GAA-loving, troglodyte turf munchers is how the practitioners and fans of their code are more in tune with old concepts like honour and being a man, while fans of proper football are dismissed as just a bunch of degenerate knackers.
That attitude was best displayed two weeks ago by Antrim coach, Liam Bradley, when he condemned some opposition supporters and said witheringly: "A lot of my players took a lot of flak from supporters. You would have thought it was more of a soccer match than a Gaelic match."
So it was truly, undeniably hilarious to watch the scenes of untrammelled muck savagery in Croker on Sunday.
Fans attacking the ref; police protecting the ref; stewards getting bottled over the head; general carnage and good, old fashioned thuggery were the order of the day.
Yup, they truly do hold the moral high ground, for sure.
Although, in fairness, that melee was a hell of a lot more interesting than the complete dog of a World Cup final which followed ...
Isn't it great that gobshites like Doherty get to guffaw at what was a sporting travesty on Sunday so that he can get a handy article out of it and mock those affected by it. F**king knob.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
Ian O'Doherty from todays Irish Independent
It's the spirit of the Gael...
One of the things that separates True Gaels from us Dublin-based, city-slicking West Brits is, of course, adherence to Gaelic football.
Indeed, the moral superiority displayed by the GAA-loving, troglodyte turf munchers is how the practitioners and fans of their code are more in tune with old concepts like honour and being a man, while fans of proper football are dismissed as just a bunch of degenerate knackers.
That attitude was best displayed two weeks ago by Antrim coach, Liam Bradley, when he condemned some opposition supporters and said witheringly: "A lot of my players took a lot of flak from supporters. You would have thought it was more of a soccer match than a Gaelic match."
So it was truly, undeniably hilarious to watch the scenes of untrammelled muck savagery in Croker on Sunday.
Fans attacking the ref; police protecting the ref; stewards getting bottled over the head; general carnage and good, old fashioned thuggery were the order of the day.
Yup, they truly do hold the moral high ground, for sure.
Although, in fairness, that melee was a hell of a lot more interesting than the complete dog of a World Cup final which followed ...
What a spiteful piece. Obviously something wrong with this fella.
I think now It would serve both teams better to move on. If Meath were to offer a replay it should have been done at the latest yesterday morning. The mass hysteria (most of which is coming from people who've probably never attended a league game in their lives) is wearing thin at this stage.
Louth should hammer on in training rev the fcuk out of their misfortune and drive themselves into the quarter finals. Can they meet Meath in the qf? Nearly certain provincial finalists can't meet in qf's?
He is to journalism what Jedward are to entertainment.
Both have an audience but they cant read yet.
Personally I think as things stand the 2010 Leinster Title is something of a poisoned chalice. As a Meath supporter I would prefer that the county is known for its nobility and sportsmanship (and offer a replay, play again even if we lost) than as cute you know what's who held on to the prize at all costs.
However it is easy to say that as a 40 yr old supporter (only) who can put things in perspective. It is only a game after all. If you are a player and have worked extremely hard and dreamt of this all your footballing career, it is an entirely different matter. And handing back your first medal/title when there are other factors than a goal to be considered, is very difficult. It would be a seminal event thats for sure. Put yourselves in the players (young) shoes, and think did Louth get any scores which were down to clear referring mistakes (incorrect frees); was there a level of belligerence in their play at times which went beyond acceptable standards; did their players show a level of unsportsmanlike behaviour after the game (forget the fans). Goodwill works both ways.
Quote from: Hardy on July 13, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Wonderful. Leinster championship decided by a judge.
You may well turn out to be correct about this.
I haven't been following developments closely today but someone who has done so tells me that the Louth County Board are reported to be considering all options. If that is true, I presume this could mean a consultation with some wig or other - at the very least.
If only big Joe had been able to replicate Mayo's finest ever goal..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezlkmUf1c0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezlkmUf1c0)
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 13, 2010, 08:25:30 PM
Please dont reproduce anything written by that individual on here.
+1
Empty vessels and all that
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 13, 2010, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 13, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Wonderful. Leinster championship decided by a judge.
You may well turn out to be correct about this.
I haven't been following developments closely today but someone who has done so tells me that the Louth County Board are reported to be considering all options. If that is true, I presume this could mean a consultation with some wig or other - at the very least.
Such an outcome would be equally unsatisfactory. And the title equally tainted.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 08:42:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 13, 2010, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 13, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Wonderful. Leinster championship decided by a judge.
You may well turn out to be correct about this.
I haven't been following developments closely today but someone who has done so tells me that the Louth County Board are reported to be considering all options. If that is true, I presume this could mean a consultation with some wig or other - at the very least.
Such an outcome would be equally unsatisfactory. And the title equally tainted.
Equally tainted for us. Not quite equal for the team that should have won but for an illegal goal but don't have the cup.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 13, 2010, 08:37:35 PM
If only big Joe had been able to replicate Mayo's finest ever goal..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezlkmUf1c0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezlkmUf1c0)
super, there were a couple of more funny goals in the Connacht champonship around that time as well.
Quote from: muppet on July 13, 2010, 08:31:34 PM
He is to journalism what Jedward are to entertainment.
Both have an audience but they cant read yet.
On the Money
Quote from: Mac2 on July 13, 2010, 08:37:35 PM
If only big Joe had been able to replicate Mayo's finest ever goal..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezlkmUf1c0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezlkmUf1c0)
Not much making me laugh over the last few days, but never saw that before, classic, all the grace and composure that Sheridan showed as well :D
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 13, 2010, 09:21:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 13, 2010, 08:31:34 PM
He is to journalism what Jedward are to entertainment.
Both have an audience but they cant read yet.
On the Money
Quote from: Mac2 on July 13, 2010, 08:37:35 PM
If only big Joe had been able to replicate Mayo's finest ever goal..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezlkmUf1c0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezlkmUf1c0)
Not much making me laugh over the last few days, but never saw that before, classic, all the grace and composure that Sheridan showed as well :D
That comical but hugely significant goal actually came at the very end of extra time in a replay at the Hyde. Won it for Mayo. At the time I thought Burke fouled Sheerin and should have been a free out. Was an epic game nevertheless.
Decision on Meath v Louth replay – Live updates
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21:29 update
We are expecting a statement in the next 30min
Quote from: demusicman on July 13, 2010, 09:39:20 PM
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21:29 update
We are expecting a statement in the next 30min
Statement from Meath County Board I presume??
Did anyone else read Paddy Heaney's comments on the issue in today's Irish News? It's bizarre - he seems to be implying that Sludden shouldn't have awarded to goal as payback for 1996. :o
"Wind the clock forward to last Sunday and Tyrone whistler Martin Sludden had a wonderful chance to exact some measure of revenge for the injustices to Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and Ciaran McBride. Instead Sludden tried to make the right decision."
I think we all know at this stage what they are going to say. Its time to move on folks.
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 09:44:45 PM
Did anyone else read Paddy Heaney's comments on the issue in today's Irish News? It's bizarre - he seems to be implying that Sludden shouldn't have awarded to goal as payback for 1996. :o
"Wind the clock forward to last Sunday and Tyrone whistler Martin Sludden had a wonderful chance to exact some measure of revenge for the injustices to Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and Ciaran McBride. Instead Sludden tried to make the right decision."
An interesting angle from Heaney. Defending the ref by trying to make himself look even more stupid.
21:45 update
Meath GAA Statement
Coiste na mi wishes to confirm that, as far as it is concerned this is the end of the matter. Full statement to follow
Quote from: demusicman on July 13, 2010, 09:46:48 PM
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Your server is fooked.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 09:44:45 PM
Did anyone else read Paddy Heaney's comments on the issue in today's Irish News? It's bizarre - he seems to be implying that Sludden shouldn't have awarded to goal as payback for 1996. :o
"Wind the clock forward to last Sunday and Tyrone whistler Martin Sludden had a wonderful chance to exact some measure of revenge for the injustices to Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and Ciaran McBride. Instead Sludden tried to make the right decision."
I did think it was an odd statement alright, plus it was at the foot of his article today and more like an after thought to the whole affair. Strange boyo that Heaney.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2010, 09:56:20 PM
Ach, Jaysus it was tongue-in-cheek.
That may well have been the intention, but it isn't obvious.
21:50 update
Meath secretary Cyril Cremin speaking to the media
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on July 13, 2010, 09:49:56 PM
21:45 update
Meath GAA Statement
Coiste na mi wishes to confirm that, as far as it is concerned this is the end of the matter. Full statement to follow
I got that from www.sportsnewsireland.com before its web server fell over
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on July 13, 2010, 09:49:56 PM
21:45 update
Meath GAA Statement
Coiste na mi wishes to confirm that, as far as it is concerned this is the end of the matter. Full statement to follow
Next meeting of Louth and Meath should be interesting. ::)
I wonder just how many of are beating on the refresh button on that sportsnews item!!!
Thats why it crashing
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22:10 update
Statement from Coiste na Mi
Coiste na Mi has today received a copy of the referee's report on Sunday's Leinster Final, Lu v An Mhi. The referee has indicated in his report that he blew the whistle for a penalty but changed his mind and awarded the goal by Joe Sheridan when he saw that the ball had crossed the line.
Coiste na Mi has also been advised today by Coisde Ceannais na gComortaisi Laighean that, in accordance with Riail 6.41 T.O. and acting on the Referee's report of the above game...An Mhi are the winners.
Having considered all aspects of the game and subsequent suggestions, as well as the Referees report and the Comhairle Laighean communication, Coiste na Mi, wishes to confirm that, as far as it is concerned, this is the end of the matter.
Coiste na Mi wishes to express its disappointment at the manner in which we and the team have been placed in such an unenviable position over the past 2 days.
S Ó Craobháin (Cyril Crevin – Meath GAA Secretary)
21:50 update
Meath secretary Cyril Cremin speaking to the media
Well that is that! Can we close this stream and move on!
Sorry lads 10,000 people pressing refresh at the same time does not help
Quote from: demusicman on July 13, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
The referee has indicated in his report that he blew the whistle for a penalty but changed his mind and awarded the goal by Joe Sheridan when he saw that the ball had crossed the line.
That does put a new angle on things. Essentially he gave Meath the advantage when they played on, hence instructing the umpire to raise the flag. It's still a mess, but it might explain his actions.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: demusicman on July 13, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
The referee has indicated in his report that he blew the whistle for a penalty but changed his mind and awarded the goal by Joe Sheridan when he saw that the ball had crossed the line.
That does put a new angle on things. Essentially he gave Meath the advantage when they played on, hence instructing the umpire to raise the flag. It's still a mess, but it might explain his actions.
But if he has blown the whistle can he still allow an advantage? I don't think so!
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: demusicman on July 13, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
The referee has indicated in his report that he blew the whistle for a penalty but changed his mind and awarded the goal by Joe Sheridan when he saw that the ball had crossed the line.
That does put a new angle on things. Essentially he gave Meath the advantage when they played on, hence instructing the umpire to raise the flag. It's still a mess, but it might explain his actions.
But surely everyone knew that for fecks sake.
Fitzpatrick said exactly that in his post match interview.
Probably shouldnt have been a penalty, but at least it would have been a debatable decision.
Still no excuse to award the goal.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: demusicman on July 13, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
The referee has indicated in his report that he blew the whistle for a penalty but changed his mind and awarded the goal by Joe Sheridan when he saw that the ball had crossed the line.
That does put a new angle on things. Essentially he gave Meath the advantage when they played on, hence instructing the umpire to raise the flag. It's still a mess, but it might explain his actions.
He was going to give a penalty but instead allowed Meath to play on and throw the ball into the net, therefore the case is closed. What the hell was the penalty for? Class Ref and even classier Meath. I conclude that Meath are cheats, no good will come of this and I hope they get bet out the gate in their next match.
I agree with you hardstation. The referee's report has made a bad situation even worse. If he blew for penalty the game was stopped and no goal could be scored. This is the first I have heard of a whistle being blown. How can he justify blowing for a penalty first and then giving a goal. This is going to run and run.
Quote from: Puckoon on July 13, 2010, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
Ian O'Doherty from todays Irish Independent
It's the spirit of the Gael...
One of the things that separates True Gaels from us Dublin-based, city-slicking West Brits is, of course, adherence to Gaelic football.
Indeed, the moral superiority displayed by the GAA-loving, troglodyte turf munchers is how the practitioners and fans of their code are more in tune with old concepts like honour and being a man, while fans of proper football are dismissed as just a bunch of degenerate knackers.
That attitude was best displayed two weeks ago by Antrim coach, Liam Bradley, when he condemned some opposition supporters and said witheringly: "A lot of my players took a lot of flak from supporters. You would have thought it was more of a soccer match than a Gaelic match."
So it was truly, undeniably hilarious to watch the scenes of untrammelled muck savagery in Croker on Sunday.
Fans attacking the ref; police protecting the ref; stewards getting bottled over the head; general carnage and good, old fashioned thuggery were the order of the day.
Yup, they truly do hold the moral high ground, for sure.
Although, in fairness, that melee was a hell of a lot more interesting than the complete dog of a World Cup final which followed ...
What a spiteful piece. Obviously something wrong with this fella.
+1 i'm nearly positive this bloke married a girl from crossmolina at least we now know would he never come back town to talk to the local troglodyte turf munchers he doesn't like gaelic makes sense
Quote from: Onlooker on July 13, 2010, 10:22:16 PM
I agree with you hardstation. The referee's report has made a bad situation even worse. If he blew for penalty the game was stopped and no goal could be scored. This is the first I have heard of a whistle being blown. How can he justify blowing for a penalty first and then giving a goal. This is going to run and run.
Well it was mentioned on this thread by one of the Armagh lads that he heard a whistle before the goal was scored, and others backed him up. A
nd the ref said as much to Fitzpatrick afterwards, to which Fitz replied "well why defuck didnt you give the penalty then?" To which he got a shrug.
One of the camera angles shows that Sludden would have had a perfect view of Sheridan throwing it into the net.
At least that's the case closed now. At the end of the day it was just an honest mistake by the ref, it happens in every game, just so happens this mistake happened at a bad time.
It's a mess, but that's the end of it.
Meath have a tarnished title, but at this stage Louth getting the title by any means would also be tarnished.
Was there not a photo way on back in this thread that showed his view of Sheridan was in no way blocked?
How he seen a penalty in that passage of play I will never know .
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 10:28:29 PM
It's a mess, but that's the end of it.
Meath have a tarnished title, but at this stage Louth getting the title by any means would also be tarnished.
How can it be finished when the ref. says that he blew the whistle for a penalty, but changed his mind and gave the goal. Someone should take the shovels off the ref. and the Meath County Board as the hole that they are digging is getting bigger and bigger.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2010, 10:30:07 PM
Was there not a photo way on back in this thread that showed his view of Sheridan was in no way blocked?
How he seen a penalty in that passage of play I will never know .
If somebody goes to grounds, someone will manage to see a penalty. And just because the camera showed his line of view doesn't mean that something couldn't have been missed in real time.
It showed a good angle on the Sunday game of the view Sludden had of the incident. Though immnot sure how he gave the goal or decided to give a penalty either.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 13, 2010, 10:34:16 PM
It showed a good angle on the Sunday game of the view Sludden had of the incident.
Again, in real time when you don't know what's about to happen and you only see it once, it's not always black and white.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 13, 2010, 10:34:16 PM
It showed a good angle on the Sunday game of the view Sludden had of the incident. Though immnot sure how he gave the goal or decided to give a penalty either.
He probably doesn't know either to be fair
When did we get an advantage rule in the GAA when the whistle is blown....
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 10:37:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2010, 10:31:01 PM
So Sludden was employing an 'advantage' decision? Is that what he's stating?
So it seems but Jaysus, it was never a penalty and he allowed the advantage of "an illegal goal".
That is seriously poor refereeing.
He has made a bigger cnut of himself with that report.
That sums it up perfectly
I don't know why meath county board needed a bloody referees report at all. He obviously didn't get the call right whatever his report was going to say.
All they did was protract the whole situation. Why couldn't they have consulted the players alot earlier and just made a decision to either offer a replay or not offer a replay? Instead of whinging about being put under pressure they should just have put an end to the matter a long time ago.
Disgusting morality displayed once again from Meath GAA circles.
They are a scorn on fair play and this once great sport. As I said all about power, the Meath big men have it and like to abuse and bully smaller counties.
Sad day for the GAA.
Seriously lads did anyone expect Sludden to be able to shed some light on the issue?
Funny in the most similar incident I can remember, Paddy McKeever's "goal" against Dublin in the 2002 AI semi final, the ref did pretty much the same thing - signalled for a penalty then gave a goal after McKeever had bundled the ball over the line without kicking it. Obviously it was less of a crucial score since Dublin cancelled out the goal immediately after.
Very very poor refereeing from Sludden it seems. I had sympathy for him but the golden rule is that once you give a decision that's it. If he blew the whistle for a penalty, he had to give the penalty.
So what about replaying the injury time starting with a Meath penalty?!
1) Sludden tries to defend the undefensible and makes a bad situation worse
2) Meath Co. Board show that they have no concept of fairplay or sportsmanship.
3) in 40 years time when yet again trouble erupts on the field during a Louth Meath game we will all know the reason why
I look forward to next weekends action where there will almost certainly be no dubious scores, no dodgy sending-offs, no playing for frees and honour and fair play for all given that we won't be playing.
Plenty of room around Clones and Croke Park to tie up those high horses.
QuoteSo what about replaying the injury time starting with a Meath penalty?!
Time was up already !
Quote from: Jinxy on July 13, 2010, 10:49:16 PM
I look forward to next weekends action where there will almost certainly be no dubious scores, no dodgy sending-offs, no playing for frees and honour and fair play for all given that we won't be playing.
Plenty of room around Clones and Croke Park to tie up those high horses.
Glad I'm not on any horse, never mind a high one.
QuoteI look forward to next weekends action where there will almost certainly be no dubious scores, no dodgy sending-offs, no playing for frees and honour and fair play for all given that we won't be playing.
Plenty of room around Clones and Croke Park to tie up those high horses.
The CCCC have tonight suspended Jimmy Deenihan for 3 months and 2 games for clattering Jimmy Barry Murphy in the 1976 Munster final.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 13, 2010, 10:49:54 PM
QuoteSo what about replaying the injury time starting with a Meath penalty?!
Time was up already !
A good bit of time was wasted by JP Rooney kicking the ball away twice and getting booked for it. Also the additional time is given out as "At least x minutes of additional time", the referee can play more for further stoppages.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 09:02:52 PM
Funny reading through....
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2010, 02:59:45 PM
Awful decison, never a free against Crawford and he gets a yellow card :o
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 11, 2010, 03:04:46 PM
Sludden is a blight on the GAA. Tyrone should be ashamed to be nominating him as an intercounty referee.
He's doing his absolute best for Louth
Quote from: joemamas on July 11, 2010, 03:17:00 PM
i am no major meath fan, but the ref is giving them a royal you know what
Then..........boom!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
That was never a legal goal surely. Sheridan threw it into the net.
Might be funny reading surely, but the thing is, Meath had time on their side to get back on terms. Louth didn't.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 13, 2010, 10:52:51 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 13, 2010, 10:49:54 PM
QuoteSo what about replaying the injury time starting with a Meath penalty?!
Time was up already !
A good bit of time was wasted by JP Rooney kicking the ball away twice and getting booked for it. Also the additional time is given out as "At least x minutes of additional time", the referee can play more for further stoppages.
Clock is going to be trialed in next year's league and not before time no pun etc..
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2010, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 09:02:52 PM
Funny reading through....
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2010, 02:59:45 PM
Awful decison, never a free against Crawford and he gets a yellow card :o
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 11, 2010, 03:04:46 PM
Sludden is a blight on the GAA. Tyrone should be ashamed to be nominating him as an intercounty referee.
He's doing his absolute best for Louth
Quote from: joemamas on July 11, 2010, 03:17:00 PM
i am no major meath fan, but the ref is giving them a royal you know what
Then..........boom!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
That was never a legal goal surely. Sheridan threw it into the net.
Might be funny reading surely, but the thing is, Meath had time on their side to get back on terms. Louth didn't.
I don't buy into that at all.
We know that you don't, but believe it or not, there were calls that also went against Louth in the course of the game :o
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:01:01 PM
I also think that the Meath County Board are correct in their decision.
Agreed, but should have done it yesterday. Referee report only leaves them open to shite.
best of luck to all teams next weekend in both the North and the West and the qualifiers I hope we have no more drama like last weekend and indeed the rest of the summer . I am amazed that some people I have talked to in the past number of days who are not regular Gaa followers are under the impression that if the matter was raised on the Sunday game the GAA would be swayed by public opinion
So Louth have a copy of the same report right. Lets see what Louth will do now that Meath just told the world they have no prob. cheating. I would sure like to see the report myself. Any refs out there want to comment. Just how much detail would a ref. put in a report. I dont think they describe every bloody play do they?
It wasn't cheating though. He went to kick it into the net and missed and he was already over the line anyway. Its not their fault the referee made a massive mistake, which he has admitted, and then opened a can of worms by saying he blew for a penalty, then decided to give the goal.
Well, that would appear to be that. Surprised that Meath decided to decline a replay. Not that a replay would have solved everything either. But this course of action makes them look a bit greedy. If they want to hold on to it that badly good luck to them. I doubt this will do either county any good going forward. Meath may use negative public opinion to spur them on but I would fear for Louth for the foreseeable future - even the life of this team. There has been silly talk about how they should concentrate on the qualifiers, get the head down and how this will galvanise them. Utter nonsense. They re as well to opt out now. Anybody who has been in a similar situation will know that it is impossible for a team to recover after a fillleting like that. Those Louth players will be plagued by that for the rest of their lives. It s a real tragedy for them.
Is it just me or is there anyone else out there think he (J.S) only made a half-hearted attempt to kick the ball when the ball was gone from him?
I am not buying this penanty crap that just came out tonight. And Meath know they should not have won the game. They were asked by the "country" to do the right thing. And what did they do. Ran for the hills with their medals. Cheaters all of them..........
please god let that be an end to it. Didnt care either way but decision is now made. wish people would make up their minds of what is good or bad. people all day saying Meath should not be placed in the position they were and now stating that they hope we get what we deserve.. ::) the point of all of this is that the GAA could not be ar**ed in doing the right thing themselves and actually taking the blame and making it right. wht the hell are Meath suddenly given the right to overrule all GAA heads and make this decision and be the scapegoats for weak authorities. Im glad they didnt agree. not for the sake of Louth fans who I know and agree are robbed etc but for the sake of GAA everywhere maybe they'll get off their high horses and do something themselves. By the way, I KNOW what happened on Sunday but neither will Meath celebrate this final. complete shambles. how people can say how Meath people can live with it, tarnished, etc etc, we BLODDY KNOW it is. Its crap for us too. Might as well be no title awarded.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 13, 2010, 11:08:52 PM
It wasn't cheating though. He went to kick it into the net and missed and he was already over the line anyway. Its not their fault the referee made a massive mistake, which he has admitted, and then opened a can of worms by saying he blew for a penalty, then decided to give the goal.
ok, it was not cheating trying to score a goal, but what do you make of the players actions going up to the referee and Umpire and trying to influence their decison when you know you scored illegally. Is that one you would also file to a split moment decision?
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:01:01 PM
I also think that the Meath County Board are correct in their decision.
Meath CB only got to make the decision based on an incorrect decision, which has been conceded by all parties, otherwise it would have been the Louth CB who got to make the decision.
This is a bit like asking OJ Simpson to volunteer for another murder trial.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2010, 11:11:38 PM
Is it just me or is there anyone else out there think he (J.S) only made a half-hearted attempt to kick the ball when the ball was gone from him?
That thought did occur to me.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:17:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 13, 2010, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:01:01 PM
I also think that the Meath County Board are correct in their decision.
Meath CB only got to make the decision based on an incorrect decision, which has been conceded by all parties, otherwise it would have been the Louth CB who got to make the decision.
This is a bit like asking OJ Simpson to volunteer for another murder trial.
Nonsense.
So explain to me how did Meath come to be the ones making the decision?
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:19:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 13, 2010, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:17:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 13, 2010, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:01:01 PM
I also think that the Meath County Board are correct in their decision.
Meath CB only got to make the decision based on an incorrect decision, which has been conceded by all parties, otherwise it would have been the Louth CB who got to make the decision.
This is a bit like asking OJ Simpson to volunteer for another murder trial.
Nonsense.
So explain to me how did Meath come to be the ones making the decision?
Whether you like it or not, they won the match and are Leinster champions.
My liking it is irrelevant, I am asking you how did they come to be the ones making the decision?
Was it or wasn't it based on a universally accepted error?
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2010, 11:10:56 PM
Well, that would appear to be that. Surprised that Meath decided to decline a replay. Not that a replay would have solved everything either. But this course of action makes them look a bit greedy. If they want to hold on to it that badly good luck to them. I doubt this will do either county any good going forward. Meath may use negative public opinion to spur them on but I would fear for Louth for the foreseeable future - even the life of this team. There has been silly talk about how they should concentrate on the qualifiers, get the head down and how this will galvanise them. Utter nonsense. They re as well to opt out now. Anybody who has been in a similar situation will know that it is impossible for a team to recover after a fillleting like that. Those Louth players will be plagued by that for the rest of their lives. It s a real tragedy for them.
Moysider you would know you were from Mayo. Your comments towards Louth future prospects smacks of the negativity that Mayo folk year in year out heap on their county team.
Out of curiosity, what would be the ruling of the "goal" if a referee got to watch it on tape.
1. Player falls over the goal line
2. Player drops ball and tries to kick it
3. Player misses, but ball still ends up behind the goal line.
What is the correct ruling here?
If you swung at a ball on the midfield line that you dropped - the ball is still in play. If an attacking player carries the ball over the goal line - is it a goal kick?
Quote from: pkerin on July 13, 2010, 11:04:05 PM
So Louth have a copy of the same report right. Lets see what Louth will do now that Meath just told the world they have no prob. cheating. I would sure like to see the report myself. Any refs out there want to comment. Just how much detail would a ref. put in a report. I dont think they describe every bloody play do they?
Not a ref but I ve had to read a few reports if you know what I mean. Usually the referee will only report the final score and bookings and sendings off. Though sometimes he doesn't include those either ;) Only when there is something controversial will there be any detail in a report.
No word of penalty for over 24 hours and then boom, the report says just that, The umpires I hear. well at least three of them wont work with ref again,
As for Meath just typical, matters little anyway as it will be one more game this Summer as for Louth I expect maybe just another outing too
BOO HOO hardstation. when you bring something constructive to the table let me know.
In the heat of the moment things happen. Players react, but when you have days to think about it and you still decide to run for the hills with your medals well that says something. Thats how I see it.
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2010, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2010, 11:11:38 PM
Is it just me or is there anyone else out there think he (J.S) only made a half-hearted attempt to kick the ball when the ball was gone from him?
That thought did occur to me.
Its not the most natural thing to try and kick a ball from your hands when your lying on the ground but you could see clearly his intentions were to kick the ball into the net, whether it was a half-assed attempt or not.
Seriously at this stage does it matter a damn what the ref said in the report, if he said he had pink panties on does it matter a jot. Instead of just one cockup now he has 2 or 3. Doesn't matter the GAA has ruled the score recorded is final so any objection legal or otherwise has to come down to that fact being altered regardless of what led up to it.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2010, 08:04:57 PM
If Cavan had taken Cork to the wire and were undone cos Cork received a penalty when one of their own players tripped over themselves, should it be a replay? Or is it only because one was a provincial final or live on TV? Or is it because of the reaction to the result from some Louth fans? If Louth had reluctantly accepted the referee's decision at the time would you be saying the same now? What if the controversial goal had been scored in the 3rd minute?
Human error. Move on. That pressure on Meath is grossly unfair, just because of the circumstances of Louth's provincial drought, the timing of the goal and the hysteria since.
Totally agree. It was a terrible decision and very hard on Louth but are we now to replay matches if there is a crucial decision called wrong just in the closing stages? Unfortunately there are poor refereeing calls in matches on a regular enough basis, will we have replays if the ref makes a poor call in the first half? Just the last 5 minutes? Or injury time is it? We'll be replaying games all year.
The idea of a replay is seriously flawed, once the original mistake is made thats it Im afraid. Thats tough on Louth but it happens in sport, they arent near the first and wont be the last to be robbed by the mistake of an official. Somebody was saying a few pages back its easy for Tyrone fans to say that given we are now seen as a successful county but thats just the past few years and we suffered enough poor calls too. 95 was mentioned already a few times. We had 2 key men wrongly sent off in a provincial decider 5 years ago. Tyrone bounced back from that and thats what Louth will now have to try and do.
The way the match ended was unsatisfactory and even for Meath it will feel like a tainted triumph. A replay would be equally unsatisfactory. Time to draw a line under it and move on.
Disappointed but not surprised by the decision, it was obvious after last night that they were trying to fudge their way out of it. To be honest its something we've known for years but Meath really are a disgrace to the GAA, their attitude to the game goes completely against the ethos of the sport. Most teams would be embarrassed to win their first medals in 9 years in that fashion but Meath just won't give a shit. Looking forward now to Cork or Kerry getting their hands on them later in the year.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 13, 2010, 11:22:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2010, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2010, 11:11:38 PM
Is it just me or is there anyone else out there think he (J.S) only made a half-hearted attempt to kick the ball when the ball was gone from him?
That thought did occur to me.
Its not the most natural thing to try and kick a ball from your hands when your lying on the ground but you could see clearly his intentions were to kick the ball into the net, whether it was a half-assed attempt or not.
It was a full-arsed attempt.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: pkerin on July 13, 2010, 11:22:15 PM
BOO HOO hardstation. when you bring something constructive to the table let me know.
In the heat of the moment things happen. Players react, but when you have days to think about it and you still decide to run for the hills with your medals well that says something. Thats how I see it.
I believe it is an even bigger BOO HOO for you.
Muppet, they won the match after about 100 universally accepted errors over the course of the game.
99 of those errors are not in the referees report.
I am really looking forward to the court case.
Lord knows I've little enough affection for Meath and genuinely felt desperately for Louth, but the notion of Meath offering a replay was nonsense from the get go.
You can go on about cheats and honesty and all that but from the time competitive sport began, referees have been necessary because of one thing and it's this: you cannot rely on players at any level to be honest during competition, therefore it's up to the governing body to put an effective system of officiating in place to catch them when they misbehave. End of.
If a Utopioan level of sportsmanship existed, to the degree that, say, young Sheridan ran to the ref and begged him not to give the score bcause the thoughts of winning a Leinster title with a dodgy goal so offended his moral sense as a true sporting Corinthian, then for Jesus' sake, we'd never need a ref at all - all the players being so gentlemanly and noble as to not try to bend the rules ever, so effectively, they self regulate???? Wake up people.
Just as with Thierry Henry etc. the real culprit here is the governing body who frequently sends out jokes of referees who couldn't officiate a chicken fight and that's where the focus should be.
Why should Meath carry the can or the burden of retribution for the latest, truly spectacular example of momentously two-bob, ham-fisted refereeing at the highest level in our sport? If anyone offered/ordered a replay, it should be Croke Park as it was THEIR bad, and as we know this cannot happen by rule.
It's desperately tough on Louth but not Meath's fault despite the nature of the 'goal', and frankly all the moralising about them doing "the right thing" is bizarre to my mind.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2010, 11:21:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2010, 11:10:56 PM
Well, that would appear to be that. Surprised that Meath decided to decline a replay. Not that a replay would have solved everything either. But this course of action makes them look a bit greedy. If they want to hold on to it that badly good luck to them. I doubt this will do either county any good going forward. Meath may use negative public opinion to spur them on but I would fear for Louth for the foreseeable future - even the life of this team. There has been silly talk about how they should concentrate on the qualifiers, get the head down and how this will galvanise them. Utter nonsense. They re as well to opt out now. Anybody who has been in a similar situation will know that it is impossible for a team to recover after a fillleting like that. Those Louth players will be plagued by that for the rest of their lives. It s a real tragedy for them.
Moysider you would know you were from Mayo. Your comments towards Louth future prospects smacks of the negativity that Mayo folk year in year out heap on their county team.
And year in year out our negativity is proven to be completely justified, don t you think. But my opinion above is not formed by experience of my county. Much more hands on than that. The last thing those lads will want to do any time soon is play football. Mentally they wont show up. Some of them will actually be depressed for a long time.
Disappointing. I would be livid with the Galway county board if they didn't offer a replay if Galway beat say Leitrim in the same manner in a Connacht final. That said it should be the GAA itself making these decisions. Not leaving it to individual county boards. HQ couldn't wash their hands of it quick enough.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on July 13, 2010, 11:27:02 PM
Lord knows I've little enough affection for Meath and genuinely felt desperately for Louth, but the notion of Meath offering a replay was nonsense from the get go.
You can go on about cheats and honesty and all that but from the time competitive sport began, referees have been necessary because of one thing and it's this: you cannot rely on players at any level to be honest during competition, therefore it's up to the governing body to put an effective system of officiating in place to catch them when they misbehave. End of.
If a Utopioan level of sportsmanship existed, to the degree that, say, young Sheridan ran to the ref and begged him not to give the score bcause the thoughts of winning a Leinster title with a dodgy goal so offended his moral sense as a true sporting Corinthian, then for Jesus' sake, we'd never need a ref at all - all the players being so gentlemanly and noble as to not try to bend the rules ever, so effectively, they self regulate???? Wake up people.
Just as with Thierry Henry etc. the real culprit here is the governing body who frequently sends out jokes of referees who couldn't officiate a chicken fight and that's where the focus should be.
Why should Meath carry the can or the burden of retribution for the latest, truly spectacular example of momentously two-bob, ham-fisted refereeing at the highest level in our sport? If anyone offered/ordered a replay, it should be Croke Park as it was THEIR bad, and as we know this cannot happen by rule.
It's desperately tough on Louth but not Meath's fault despite the nature of the 'goal', and frankly all the moralising about them doing "the right thing" is bizarre to my mind.
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Jaysus man I got in 6 replies while you were typing that.
We are not charged per post here you know.
Those of you who seem to think the penalty issue just materialised need to go back and listen to Peter Fitzpatricks post match interview. He spoke to the ref in the dressing room after the match and said that the referee referred to a penalty.
Who exactly is it that asked Meath county board to make any decision. Central council mereley stated a fact, that they could not order a replay. As usual the media lead the crusade for Meath to do the "honourable" thing. Like media whores would recognise honour if it looke dthem in the face.
Human error is part of the game, you cant legislate to eliminate it completely. This is not the first injustice resulting from referee error and it wont be the last.
I hope Louth do not go down the legal route.
QuoteHe spoke to the ref in the dressing room after the match and said that the referee referred to a penalty
Take a penalty, if Meath score no problem, if Louth save it give them the cup.
For what it's worth, I would consider cheating to be trying to deliberately deceive the referee into awarding a score or get a player sent off. While Joe Sheridan failed to score a legitimate goal he did make a genuine attempt to do so and therefore he did not cheat, end of story.
It's up to the officials to referee the game as they see it. Sludden hardly moved a yard from when the ball was kiched into the square until the ball hit the back of the net hence Sludden was poorly placed to make a decision. This would point to Sludden lacking the physical fitness to oficiate at intercounty level, not a new problem in GAA. As for his inability to consult with the umpires thats just inexplicable. Huge questions have been raised about refereeing standards and the means by which people are recruited into referreing, why so few ex players for example....even ex U-21 or minor players.
As for Louth, it was their first big day for many years and while it was devastating for them they need to learn from it and come back stronger.They made plenty of mistakes on the day and I'm sure when the dust settles they will realise they have plenty of room for improvement. It's a county with huge potential and if people become inspired to right the wrongs of last Sunday it could lead to great things. A replay would have also been unsatisfactory in the long run, even if Louth had won it would still have felt strange.
How the Meath Co. Board where left to make the decision on the replay is also baffling and unacceptable. A replay has got to come about through the referee's match report indicating the error or stating null and void as the final score.
Quote from: Puckoon on July 13, 2010, 11:21:31 PM
Out of curiosity, what would be the ruling of the "goal" if a referee got to watch it on tape.1. Player falls over the goal line
2. Player drops ball and tries to kick it
3. Player misses, but ball still ends up behind the goal line.
What is the correct ruling here?
1. Sheridan is in the square before the ball arrives (not Seamus Kenny though, for those who were confused) - Free Out
2. Sheridan dives, is not pushed, dives towards the line - Free Out
3. Sheridan crosses the line while in possesion of the ball - Free Out
4. Sheridan throws the ball into the net - Irrelevant as the ball has already crossed the line.
With properly trained and empowered umpires there is no need for video replay though. all was clearly visible to the umpires in real time.
I wonder are there any other cultures on the planet that are as passionate about there national sports as we are. No matter which side of the fence your on we all love our sport. I am ready to move on and I do hope the Louth County Board do so too. A legal battle would just be a circus.
Just wondering, Louth Exile, at what stage did the referee blow for the penalty. Did you hear any whistle?
JS was in the square when the ball was up about half the height of the uprights. By the time it came dow for Kenny to catch it he had backed out of the square.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:50:39 PM
For me, it is not that baffling. Meath won the match and are Leinster champions. Nobody can do anything about that.
Meath could say "we'll have a replay" but decided "No, we won. End of".
Which is fair enough, imo.
I meant baffling in the sense that they had to make a decision at all. Once the referees report stated 1-12 to 1-10 the matter should have been closed. I don't know of too many other sports where there is a post match process for appealing results.
After watching it again and again I still can't see a square ball.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:55:01 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 13, 2010, 11:52:56 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on July 13, 2010, 11:21:31 PM
Out of curiosity, what would be the ruling of the "goal" if a referee got to watch it on tape.1. Player falls over the goal line
2. Player drops ball and tries to kick it
3. Player misses, but ball still ends up behind the goal line.
What is the correct ruling here?
1. Sheridan is in the square before the ball arrives (not Seamus Kenny though, for those who were confused) - Free Out
2. Sheridan dives, is not pushed, dives towards the line - Free Out
3. Sheridan crosses the line while in possesion of the ball - Free Out
4. Sheridan throws the ball into the net - Irrelevant as the ball has already crossed the line.
With properly trained and empowered umpires there is no need for video replay though. all was clearly visible to the umpires in real time.
Haven't seen it in a while but I think Sheridan was outside.
Watch it again then, before the initial ball from Reilly came, Sheridan was clearly standing the square and backing it out of it, before the smallest man on the field rises to field wonderfully, evade the first challenge only to have his shot brilliantly blocked down by Captain fantastic Keenan.
Quote from: Onlooker on July 13, 2010, 11:56:46 PM
Just wondering, Louth Exile, at what stage did the referee blow for the penalty. Did you hear any whistle?
Straight up, I didn't notice the whistle myself and I never listened out for it the several times that I have tortured myself by watching it back. Some of the other posters, way back in the thread mentioned a whistle (a bit like a puff of smoke on the grass knowl) but I don't know at what point it was at. A number of them mentioned this before it came out in the Meath CC statement tonight
BTW congrats to meath on their decision not to hold a replay. It was the braver decision.
Quote from: Beard on July 14, 2010, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 11:50:39 PM
For me, it is not that baffling. Meath won the match and are Leinster champions. Nobody can do anything about that.
Meath could say "we'll have a replay" but decided "No, we won. End of".
Which is fair enough, imo.
I meant baffling in the sense that they had to make a decision at all. Once the referees report stated 1-12 to 1-10 the matter should have been closed. I don't know of too many other sports where there is a post match process for appealing results.
Horse racing would certainly be one where the connections of the second horse can object to the winner.
I have to say after todays decision I really do hope Meath progress no farther in this Years Championship. I had begun to like this Meath team, but I won't be sorry if they have an unjust exit from the Championship this year.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 14, 2010, 12:09:57 AM
I have to say after todays decision I really do hope Meath progress no farther in this Years Championship. I had begun to like this Meath team, but I won't be sorry if they have an unjust exit from the Championship this year.
A lot of time for them myself, admired the good direct football (which we play also) and brought the young fella to the games. Wouldn't have the stomach for watching them now!
Hardstation did you get dumped by a Louth girl?
Quote from: Zapatista on July 14, 2010, 12:03:10 AM
BTW congrats to meath on their decision not to hold a replay. It was the braver decision.
It certainly was the braver decision. The correct one( for them)? well, time will tell.
But the whole sorry episode is damaging to the game in general. Mostly because it backs up grassroot feelings about the GAA. Might is right. If the shoe was on the other foot and Louth took the stance that Meath did, then there would be considerable sympathy for them. The view out there though is that Louth CB would have been coerced into/not thick enough to refuse a replay. It is unfortunate that this is seen as another example of the small guy getting patted on the head for his efforts.
There you go again. I think you were dumped by a Louth Girl.
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 12:24:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2010, 12:21:26 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 14, 2010, 12:03:10 AM
BTW congrats to meath on their decision not to hold a replay. It was the braver decision.
It certainly was the braver decision. The correct one( for them)? well, time will tell.
But the whole sorry episode is damaging to the game in general. Mostly because it backs up grassroot feelings about the GAA. Might is right. If the shoe was on the other foot and Louth took the stance that Meath did, then there would be considerable sympathy for them. The view out there though is that Louth CB would have been coerced into/not thick enough to refuse a replay. It is unfortunate that this is seen as another example of the small guy getting patted on the head for his efforts.
You just made that up. You haven't a f**king clue what the Louth County Board would have done. Stop pretending you do.
I dont spend all day on this laptop hardstation. I talked to alot of people today/this evening about this. Most views on here are very restrained compared to what is being expressed out there. I would have hoped Louth CB would have declined a replay, even though it would have been equally as stained. I have my doubts though.
I hope these two teams meet again this year. That would be a crazy game!
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2010, 12:31:57 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 12:24:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2010, 12:21:26 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 14, 2010, 12:03:10 AM
BTW congrats to meath on their decision not to hold a replay. It was the braver decision.
It certainly was the braver decision. The correct one( for them)? well, time will tell.
But the whole sorry episode is damaging to the game in general. Mostly because it backs up grassroot feelings about the GAA. Might is right. If the shoe was on the other foot and Louth took the stance that Meath did, then there would be considerable sympathy for them. The view out there though is that Louth CB would have been coerced into/not thick enough to refuse a replay. It is unfortunate that this is seen as another example of the small guy getting patted on the head for his efforts.
You just made that up. You haven't a f**king clue what the Louth County Board would have done. Stop pretending you do.
I dont spend all day on this laptop hardstation. I talked to alot of people today/this evening about this. Most views on here are very restrained compared to what is being expressed out there. I would have hoped Louth CB would have declined a replay, even though it would have been equally as stained. I have my doubts though.
Well sure elaborate for the craic
Inspiration for the most part. Peter Fitz can really get you going. There are no egos on the team, just a very hard working bunch of men that have a single cause, or a drive. Yea we have sucked for a long time and maybe this will all be short lived, but Fitz sure gets those boys to play hard and maybe even play above themselfs.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 14, 2010, 12:37:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2010, 12:31:57 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 12:24:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2010, 12:21:26 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 14, 2010, 12:03:10 AM
BTW congrats to meath on their decision not to hold a replay. It was the braver decision.
It certainly was the braver decision. The correct one( for them)? well, time will tell.
But the whole sorry episode is damaging to the game in general. Mostly because it backs up grassroot feelings about the GAA. Might is right. If the shoe was on the other foot and Louth took the stance that Meath did, then there would be considerable sympathy for them. The view out there though is that Louth CB would have been coerced into/not thick enough to refuse a replay. It is unfortunate that this is seen as another example of the small guy getting patted on the head for his efforts.
You just made that up. You haven't a f**king clue what the Louth County Board would have done. Stop pretending you do.
I dont spend all day on this laptop hardstation. I talked to alot of people today/this evening about this. Most views on here are very restrained compared to what is being expressed out there. I would have hoped Louth CB would have declined a replay, even though it would have been equally as stained. I have my doubts though.
Well sure elaborate for the craic
I wont exile. By the way fair play to you for being so reasonable about all this. I m at the far side of the country and people are not happy. Mostly it s seen as the small guy being shafted. There is no sympathy for the ref.
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BTW congrats to meath on their decision not to hold a replay. It was the braver decision.
It certainly was the braver decision. The correct one( for them)? well, time will tell.
But the whole sorry episode is damaging to the game in general. Mostly because it backs up grassroot feelings about the GAA. Might is right. If the shoe was on the other foot and Louth took the stance that Meath did, then there would be considerable sympathy for them. The view out there though is that Louth CB would have been coerced into/not thick enough to refuse a replay. It is unfortunate that this is seen as another example of the small guy getting patted on the head for his efforts.
You just made that up. You haven't a f**king clue what the Louth County Board would have done. Stop pretending you do.
I dont spend all day on this laptop hardstation. I talked to alot of people today/this evening about this. Most views on here are very restrained compared to what is being expressed out there. I would have hoped Louth CB would have declined a replay, even though it would have been equally as stained. I have my doubts though.
Well sure elaborate for the craic
I wont exile. By the way fair play to you for being so reasonable about all this. I m at the far side of the country and people are not happy. Mostly it s seen as the small guy being shafted. There is no sympathy for the ref.
Fair play to you Moysider, you are right not to, I just threw that in there in a moment of weakness!
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2010, 12:37:25 AM
Hold on a second here. I implore everyone to stand back and think about this: How the feck did Louth get to a Leinster final and nearly win the feckin thing? 2 years ago they were dung.
Got well rid of Eamonn Mc Eaneney and his negativity. Fitzer has them super fit and like the Banty has a good support team. Has them playing proper 15 against 15 football, direct ball into the forward line. a lot of it is not rocket science. The question is more, how were we so bad 2 years ago?
Just thinking to myself, with all the hooha et al surrounding the teams, does this copperfasten a sympathy All Star for Louth at the end of the year, while ensuring that it would take a hat trick in every game from here til the final for Sheridan even to be considered for one. Of course thats not to say Louth might fully deserve one by the year's end.
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Quote from: Zapatista on July 14, 2010, 12:03:10 AM
BTW congrats to meath on their decision not to hold a replay. It was the braver decision.
It certainly was the braver decision. The correct one( for them)? well, time will tell.
But the whole sorry episode is damaging to the game in general. Mostly because it backs up grassroot feelings about the GAA. Might is right. If the shoe was on the other foot and Louth took the stance that Meath did, then there would be considerable sympathy for them. The view out there though is that Louth CB would have been coerced into/not thick enough to refuse a replay. It is unfortunate that this is seen as another example of the small guy getting patted on the head for his efforts.
You just made that up. You haven't a f**king clue what the Louth County Board would have done. Stop pretending you do.
I dont spend all day on this laptop hardstation. I talked to alot of people today/this evening about this. Most views on here are very restrained compared to what is being expressed out there. I would have hoped Louth CB would have declined a replay, even though it would have been equally as stained. I have my doubts though.
It's easy to say what the 'other side' should do and 'we would if the shoe was on the other foot'. I don't think Louth would offer a replay but I don't know and nor do you. Again, stop pretending you do.
I wasn't pretending I do. I dont. I was speculating a bit - based on previous. But a lot of people out there are seeing and talking conspiracy, bullies, etc. If you re from a football area go and listen to what people are saying. You might not agree with them and you might think they are off the wall but it s not that simple. When it comes down to public opinion perception becomes reality, unfortunate and all as that may be.
Right, I'm convinced now. Certain penalty
For a knock-on by the Louth defender is it??
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 14, 2010, 12:56:22 AM
Just thinking to myself, with all the hooha et al surrounding the teams, does this copperfasten a sympathy All Star for Louth at the end of the year, while ensuring that it would take a hat trick in every game from here til the final for Sheridan even to be considered for one. Of course thats not to say Louth might fully deserve one by the year's end.
All Stars?? Do they still do them? The Rose of Tralee pagent has as much credibility. An All Star award has as much cred as a Leinster senior winners medal.
:D :D
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 12:52:23 AM
Just had another look, fair call for a penalty right enough.
:D WUM
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 14, 2010, 12:56:22 AM
Just thinking to myself, with all the hooha et al surrounding the teams, does this copperfasten a sympathy All Star for Louth at the end of the year, while ensuring that it would take a hat trick in every game from here til the final for Sheridan even to be considered for one. Of course thats not to say Louth might fully deserve one by the year's end.
Paddy Keenan has to be top of the pile at the moment for an all star as things stand. Leaving all the sympathy out of it. He was a complete class apart in the Longford game, head and shoulders above every other player out there that day. Superb again against Kildare, MOM against Westmeath and looking back at the full game from Sunday, how they didn't give him the MOM (which was going to go to a Louth man) is beyond me. There is nothing in Mc Auleys performance that warranted him getting close to MOM and certainly not coughing up possession on the run of to the "incident". How Boylan overlooked him for Ireland panels always left me gobsmacked. When Louth dominated the middle period at the start of the second half on Sunday he was to the fore. He got a good point at teh start of the game. But watch back the last ten minutes of play as Meath are coming at us in droves, its him that is repelling most of the attacks, right down to an amazing block on Kenny's shot at goal. No sympathy needed here, unless two outstanding candidates rise from the remainder of the championship he is a shoe in for me! Another strong performance in the next game, after the adversity of Sunday should seal the deal. I don't want to hear any talk of sympathy all stars!
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 14, 2010, 01:04:16 AM
Right, I'm convinced now. Certain penalty
For a knock-on by the Louth defender is it??
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That would only be a scrum - unless it was deliberate?
Fair point Louth Exile, its very true and midfield also has been poor enough in terms of real contenders maybe bar last year for a while, but remember as well between them the All Ireland finalists will get 10 awards at least, the Stephen Cluxton All Star award for being Stephen Cluxton will probably go to the Dublin keeper, Stephen Cluxton, Tommy Walsh (Kilkenny) is surely due one in the football at some stage, so if Louth were to exit in the next round......possible if they get unlucky and get Cork...then i don't know if even the good early performances will swing it, cos your looking at semi-finalists then as well for a few places.
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 14, 2010, 01:29:19 AM
Fair point Louth Exile, its very true and midfield also has been poor enough in terms of real contenders maybe bar last year for a while, but remember as well between them the All Ireland finalists will get 10 awards at least, the Stephen Cluxton All Star award for being Stephen Cluxton will probably go to the Dublin keeper, Stephen Cluxton, Tommy Walsh (Kilkenny) is surely due one in the football at some stage, so if Louth were to exit in the next round......possible if they get unlucky and get Cork...then i don't know if even the good early performances will swing it, cos your looking at semi-finalists then as well for a few places.
Anything I say carries the bias of seeing him play in all his championship outings. At this moment in time and giving that we made a provincial final I think that he is in there to be knocked out! We'll see.
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 01:00:03 AM
Right, I'm convinced now. Certain penalty.
absolutely not, cant agree mate. Sheridan dived for the line..he just launches himself. in normal time it may have seemed to the ref from where he was that there was a foul but there is no way he could be sure. I've seen it in slow mo a few times now (ref, i know doesnt have this) No foul took place.
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Right, I'm convinced now. Certain penalty.
absolutely not, cant agree mate. Sheridan dived for the line..he just launches himself. in normal time it may have seemed to the ref from where he was that there was a foul but there is no way he could be sure. I've seen it in slow mo a few times now (ref, i know doesnt have this) No foul took place.
Forget about it. No way a penalty. He claimed he was pushed ffs. Must have been his guardian angel that pushed him, the lucky sod.But as will pan out it will be not be so lucky and probably the thing he will always be remembered for. I still dont understand how lads used to playing in Croke Park can think they can spin a situation where there are multible cameras. When he took off he did eventually fall the keepers knee. Oh ok maybe the keeper should have made sure he was n't in the way. Stupid keeper.
I mean what the f**k was anybody thinking trying to deny Meath their traditional never-say-die comeback. They are up there with Cork and Kerry when it comes to entitlement. However in time they will realise that this was no Kevin Foley goal. Meath people might claim that they were caught up in a situation that was not of their making but that is not convincing. They are the big guys and should have known before dark on Sunday night that there was a huge problem. They didn't need that cup and should have tried to put as much distance between themselves and the trophy as they could. I would hope that my own county against a team that had won nothing in 50 odd years that we would have handed the cup back and tell the Connacht Council to decide. I m fairly sure there would have been a groundswell of public opinion within the county for that to happen. Yet it's easy to see from the Meath attitude what it is that makes them winners. As O Rourke said in 89, nice guys win nothing. He s right of course. I have no doubt that Meath will cherish this one as much as any - and I would have serious misgivings about those that protest otherwise. The ones that are won against the head are the sweetest.
Look, the championship will continue and Louth will soon be forgotten about. Because that is their station and they have to accept it. The glory is only for the select few. There is only one loser in this and that is Louth. First time ever I remember that they really showed up and - splat. Back in the box. Leave it to the big boys.
The final word on
Louth forward JP Rooney reacted to last night's decision not to replay Sunday's game by claiming it was the right one: "I'm delighted that there's no replay. It would have been an anti-climax. That's it, what's done is done and we will try to forget about it now. It will be hard to get it out of our heads but we were training this evening and there was a big group there again. We'll look forward to the next game and life goes on. When you see what happened in Donegal over the weekend, it puts everything into perspective. That was a real tragedy.
"What would we have gained from a replay? It was a lose-lose situation for Louth. If we went out and beat them, it would take away from the actual day that was in it last Sunday and if we lost, we would be in a worse situation. We'll get the heads down now and you don't want to be seen as babies, crying about it.
"But we can't blame Meath, they've done nothing wrong. Croke Park should have had a say in this; the Leinster Council or whoever makes the decisions but they were passing the buck and putting the pressure on Meath. They should have made the call."
Well said JP Rooney.. 8)
Magnanamous words from JP, the right thing to do. Only part I'd slightly disagree with is that it wasn't up to Meath to offer a replay. I think it rested at their door as the GAA, Leinster Council or CCCC has no power to demand a replay. Still think the players will regret not offering a replay further down the line.
Horrible luck for Louth but need to push on and I for one hope they make the quarters (hopefully not meeting Tyrone if we're beat on Sunday!)
Quote from: Blue and Navy on July 14, 2010, 01:29:19 AM
Fair point Louth Exile, its very true and midfield also has been poor enough in terms of real contenders maybe bar last year for a while, but remember as well between them the All Ireland finalists will get 10 awards at least, the Stephen Cluxton All Star award for being Stephen Cluxton will probably go to the Dublin keeper, Stephen Cluxton, Tommy Walsh (Kilkenny) is surely due one in the football at some stage, so if Louth were to exit in the next round......possible if they get unlucky and get Cork...then i don't know if even the good early performances will swing it, cos your looking at semi-finalists then as well for a few places.
Who won this award in 2008?
Who won this award in 2009?
Clue: It wasn't Stephen Cluxton ::)
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 14, 2010, 12:02:14 AM
Watch it again then, before the initial ball from Reilly came, Sheridan was clearly standing the square and backing it out of it, before the smallest man on the field rises to field wonderfully, evade the first challenge only to have his shot brilliantly blocked down by Captain fantastic Keenan.
That was an incredible block alright.
Gift Grub on Today FM was very funny this morning.
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Gift Grub on Today FM was very funny this morning.
it was :D , "louth aid " the song was called seeing its the 25th anniversary of live aid
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 12:52:23 AM
Just had another look, fair call for a penalty right enough.
Good man. That didnt take you long to see, only three days and nights, considering that the match was on last Sunday 11th July 2010.
Keep looking at the replays, you might arrive at the conclusion that they should have got two, maybe three penalties by the time you are finished.
Joe Sheridan should take up acting-how he kept a straight face whilst describing his goal is worthy of an oscar- any truth in word that his team mates have nicknamed him 'giraffe'
Don't think so but I'll look into it and get back to you.
I hears the boys down on the Louth County Board are filling in the blanks on one of these.
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Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 12:52:23 AM
Just had another look, fair call for a penalty right enough.
I don't question your integrity one bit, HS; I will accept that you go against the vast majority who watched replays of that incident and saw no cause whatever for the ref to award Meath a penalty.
When I say this, I'm going by what I've heard on phone in radio shows, read in the papers and from what I've been hearing from people I've met in the interim- most of whom have little or no interest in the proceedings.
Personally, I go with those who saw no cause for a penalty award but I don't think it matters one way or another-it had no bearing on what actually happened.
The fact is that Martin Sludden adjudged that a goal had been scored and duly awarded a goal to Meath.
The following day after he had a chance to review the incident, he stated that he had got it wrong and should not have allowed this 'goal' to stand. He undoubtedly made an honest error of judgement but in so doing, he denied Louth a Leinster title they had won on the field of play and handed Meath a victory they had not earned.That is the inescapable conclusion I draw from the proceeding and, IMO, it's the only one that counts.
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Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 12:52:23 AM
Just had another look, fair call for a penalty right enough.
I don't question your integrity one bit, HS; I will accept that you go against the vast majority who watched replays of that incident and saw no cause whatever for the ref to award Meath a penalty.
When I say this, I'm going by what I've heard on phone in radio shows, read in the papers and from what I've been hearing from people I've met in the interim- most of whom have little or no interest in the proceedings.
Personally, I go with those who saw no cause for a penalty award but I don't think it matters one way or another-it had no bearing on what actually happened.
The fact is that Martin Sludden adjudged that a goal had been scored and duly awarded a goal to Meath.
The following day after he had a chance to review the incident, he stated that he had got it wrong and should not have allowed this 'goal' to stand. He undoubtedly made an honest error of judgement but in so doing, he denied Louth a Leinster title they had won on the field of play and handed Meath a victory they had not earned.
That is the inescapable conclusion I draw from the proceeding and, IMO, it's the only one that counts.
Dead right LNP but what the ref should have said, but his continued arrogance would not allow him to say was that "I made a mistake, I gave a goal that I should not have given to Meath and the final score confirms that Louth are Leinster Champions for 2010. This has to go to the High Court because if it doesn't it will mean that the same thing can happen over and over again. Since Peter McKenna is so concerned about having supporters arrested by the Gardai he should remember that a long standing tradition of the GAA where supporters mingle for a bit of craic can be transformed into fights like socccer thuigs not because of pitch invasions but because of the inefficiencies in Jones Road to have procedures in place to cover events like what happened last Sunday - BEFORE they happen.
Quote from: Beard on July 13, 2010, 11:45:36 PM
For what it's worth, I would consider cheating to be trying to deliberately deceive the referee into awarding a score or get a player sent off. While Joe Sheridan failed to score a legitimate goal he did make a genuine attempt to do so and therefore he did not cheat, end of story.
It's up to the officials to referee the game as they see it. Sludden hardly moved a yard from when the ball was kiched into the square until the ball hit the back of the net hence Sludden was poorly placed to make a decision. This would point to Sludden lacking the physical fitness to oficiate at intercounty level, not a new problem in GAA. As for his inability to consult with the umpires thats just inexplicable. Huge questions have been raised about refereeing standards and the means by which people are recruited into referreing, why so few ex players for example....even ex U-21 or minor players.
As for Louth, it was their first big day for many years and while it was devastating for them they need to learn from it and come back stronger.They made plenty of mistakes on the day and I'm sure when the dust settles they will realise they have plenty of room for improvement. It's a county with huge potential and if people become inspired to right the wrongs of last Sunday it could lead to great things. A replay would have also been unsatisfactory in the long run, even if Louth had won it would still have felt strange.
How the Meath Co. Board where left to make the decision on the replay is also baffling and unacceptable. A replay has got to come about through the referee's match report indicating the error or stating null and void as the final score.
Thats bullshit. He rolled over the line, threw the ball into the goals, swung a boot after to make it look like he kicked it and knowing full well he didn't actually kick it and seeing the umpire did not raise his flag he ran to the ref and demanded the flag be put up. "young" shierdan (as someone called him effectionately earlier) is a cheat.
Quote from: Rocky Mc Guigan on July 14, 2010, 09:56:15 AM
Joe Sheridan should take up acting-how he kept a straight face whilst describing his goal is worthy of an oscar- any truth in word that his team mates have nicknamed him 'giraffe'
Why, does he have smelly feet?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 14, 2010, 08:40:50 AM
Magnanamous words from JP, the right thing to do. Only part I'd slightly disagree with is that it wasn't up to Meath to offer a replay. I think it rested at their door as the GAA, Leinster Council or CCCC has no power to demand a replay. Still think the players will regret not offering a replay further down the line.
Horrible luck for Louth but need to push on and I for one hope they make the quarters (hopefully not meeting Tyrone if we're beat on Sunday!)
That's not true. They do have the power but they fudged it and hoped Meath county board would buckle to the ridiculous media circus (Croke Park and the upper echelons always do) and that a replay, however wrong that decsion is per rule, would get them out of this mess created by Martin Sludden. Whether people like it or not Meath County Board were correct in their decision. The CCCC did a Pontius Pilate on this and it could come back to haunt them.
No-one like DRA challenges or the like but this is the route Louth must go as it appears to be the only body within the association that actually implements the rules.
Respect to JP Rooney on his words. He called it 100% and as a player they need to get back working for their next game. Hios county board should pursue it on the behalf of the players.
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Bud, you're a tara man
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Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
I thought it was a penalty because of the 'keeper's tackle. He came flying across the goal, leading with his leg and went flying into Sheridan.
That's the only cause I'd see for a penalty, too. I don't know if it's the cause the ref used and on first viewing (I haven't had a chance to look since) I thought it would be a fairly tenuous claim, but I'd like to look again.
The whole business of the penalty award is very confusing. As people have said, you can't blow the whistle, stop play and then change your mind and award the advantage. If that's what he did, it compounds his error.
One thing that doesn't seem to have been considered, though, is that he maybe blew after the ball crossed the line and was thus out of play. He hasn't applied advantage, because the ball is not in play. So now he determines, somehow, that Joe had "scored" before he blew so he decides to award the goal instead of the penalty. What we have in this version of events is simply a wrong decision as regards the validity of the goal and not a farcical misapplication of the advantage rule.
Anyway, respect to the Louth people here (with one exception) and to the players, including JP Lennon and Colin Kelly and the Louth officials who have made public statements, disassociating themselves from the abuse, nonsense and hysteria. Decent sportsmen all.
Respect also to Meath Co. Board and the players for making the hard decision instead of the one that would have been so easy and would have appeased the lunatic fringe, the referee-attacking scum (and their supporters here) and the media. You are better men than I, because I'm afraid if I was voting, I would have taken the easy option and played the nice fella and cravenly given in to the pressure and buck-passing and neatly passed the buck back again to the GAA.
It took balls, having been asked a question you should never have been asked and that no other set of players has ever been asked and in which you were only allowed to give one answer, to refuse to give that answer in the full knowledge of the abuse (and possibly worse) it would bring, of which the scumbaggery on this board is but a small example.
Indeed-what would one expect from a pig only a grunt?
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Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
I thought it was a penalty because of the 'keeper's tackle. He came flying across the goal, leading with his leg and went flying into Sheridan.
That's the only cause I'd see for a penalty, too. I don't know if it's the cause the ref used and on first viewing (I haven't had a chance to look since) I thought it would be a fairly tenuous claim, but I'd like to look again.
The whole business of the penalty award is very confusing. As people have said, you can't blow the whistle, stop play and then change your mind and award the advantage. If that's what he did, it compounds his error.
One thing that doesn't seem to have been considered, though, is that he maybe blew after the ball crossed the line and was thus out of play. He hasn't applied advantage, because the ball is not in play. So now he determines, somehow, that Joe had "scored" before he blew so he decides to award the goal instead of the penalty. What we have in this version of events is simply a wrong decision as regards the validity of the goal and not a farcical misapplication of the advantage rule.
Anyway, respect to the Louth people here (with one exception) and to the players, including JP Lennon and Colin Kelly and the Louth officials who have made public statements, disassociating themselves from the abuse, nonsense and hysteria. Decent sportsmen all.
Respect also to Meath Co. Board and the players for making the hard decision instead of the one that would have been so easy and would have appeased the lunatic fringe, the referee-attacking scum (and their supporters here) and the media. You are better men than I, because I'm afraid if I was voting, I would have taken the easy option and played the nice fella and cravenly given in to the pressure and buck-passing and neatly passed the buck back again to the GAA.
It took balls, having been asked a question you should never have been asked and that no other set of players has ever been asked and in which you were only allowed to give one answer, to refuse to give that answer in the full knowledge of the abuse (and possibly worse) it would bring, of which the scumbaggery on this board is but a small example.
I'll drink to that. Well said Hardy.
Quote from: Rocky Mc Guigan on July 14, 2010, 01:34:41 PM
Indeed-what would one expect from a pig only a grunt?
Good grunt.
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 01:38:38 PM
I'd rather spend the afternoon wiping puss from the weeping sores of a diseased skunk.
Are FAS offering that as a careers move ?
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Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 01:38:38 PM
I'd rather spend the afternoon wiping puss from the weeping sores of a diseased skunk.
Are FAS offering that as a careers move ?
There's a few on here well qualified already, no FAS course required.
Hardy
Now that the replay is over how good do you think Mead are? Will they get past the quarters ? Another repeat of last year? Or progress? At the end of the day a Leinster doesn't mean much.
I deleted the post I made after Rocky McGuigan's "pig" post. On a re-read, it's not clear whether his "pig" reference is to me or to the people I was castigating.
If he wouldn't mind clarifying, I'll know whether to re-post.
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2010, 02:25:26 PM
Hardy
Now that the replay is over how good do you think Mead are? Will they get past the quarters ? Another repeat of last year? Or progress? At the end of the day a Leinster doesn't mean much.
I don't know, is the honest answer, but I'm pessimistic. I thought there were signs we were on the right road after the wins over Laois and Dublin. I was fearful that the result against Dublin would mask a lot of critical flaws and that fear was borne out on Sunday in relation to the full back line, midfield and the sideline.
Midfield did well in the first half but was completely overrun in the second. I don't know whether Crawford's match fitness may have been an issue there, but I fear we have big problems.
We have bigger problems in the full back line. Some of what went on on Sunday was dispiriting. Kevin Reilly ran too far under a number of balls and let them hop behind him. Harrington was all at sea and O'Connor was nothing like his usual reliable, tenacious self. You felt anything could happen when the ball entered that sector. It's frightening to think what would happen if we played like that against the likes of Cooper/Donaghy.
The other big problem is the inaction on the sideline as they watch the problems unfold in midfield and defence. This has been a pattern in all the games and is the most worrying problem of all.
It's great to be talking about football.
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 02:38:27 PM
Midfield did well in the first half but was completely overrun in the second. I don't know whether Crawford's match fitness may have been an issue there, but I fear we have big problems.
Pessimistically you could say Meath won the first half battle because Louth didnt start, nerves got the better of them, and it wasnt until the 2nd half they started to play - and from then totally dominated.
Optimisically you can say the Meath lads played very well in the first half, but Crawford tired badly because of lack of recent games - but this game will bring him on a lot, and therefore you wouldnt expect a repeat of the 2nd half later in the championship.
If Meath and Dublin were to meet again, I would expect a very tight game, but I think Meath would nick it (whereas if the first game had been tight, which it wasnt, I'd have fancied the Dubs to nick it).
However, I think Louth would dominate midfield against either Dublin or Meath and I doubt their forwards would be as wasteful as they were against Meath, thus I'd fancy Louth to beat either Dublin or Meath if they meet later (although only if they get their heads right of course).
Louth are the best team in Leinster. They looked good against Kildare, a bit shaky against Westmeath but took well to the final despite some obvious naivety. There is no reason why Louth cannot move upwards from here. Louth are more Ulster than Leinster.
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
I thought it was a penalty because of the 'keeper's tackle. He came flying across the goal, leading with his leg and went flying into Sheridan.
That's the only cause I'd see for a penalty, too. I don't know if it's the cause the ref used and on first viewing (I haven't had a chance to look since) I thought it would be a fairly tenuous claim, but I'd like to look again.
The whole business of the penalty award is very confusing. As people have said, you can't blow the whistle, stop play and then change your mind and award the advantage. If that's what he did, it compounds his error.
One thing that doesn't seem to have been considered, though, is that he maybe blew after the ball crossed the line and was thus out of play. He hasn't applied advantage, because the ball is not in play. So now he determines, somehow, that Joe had "scored" before he blew so he decides to award the goal instead of the penalty. What we have in this version of events is simply a wrong decision as regards the validity of the goal and not a farcical misapplication of the advantage rule.
Anyway, respect to the Louth people here (with one exception) and to the players, including JP Lennon and Colin Kelly and the Louth officials who have made public statements, disassociating themselves from the abuse, nonsense and hysteria. Decent sportsmen all.
Respect also to Meath Co. Board and the players for making the hard decision instead of the one that would have been so easy and would have appeased the lunatic fringe, the referee-attacking scum (and their supporters here) and the media. You are better men than I, because I'm afraid if I was voting, I would have taken the easy option and played the nice fella and cravenly given in to the pressure and buck-passing and neatly passed the buck back again to the GAA.
It took balls, having been asked a question you should never have been asked and that no other set of players has ever been asked and in which you were only allowed to give one answer, to refuse to give that answer in the full knowledge of the abuse (and possibly worse) it would bring, of which the scumbaggery on this board is but a small example.
From looking back at the footage on the rte website, the whistle sounds as Sheridan lands on the line, before he rolls around, which in effect resulted in him carrying the ball over the line. Another farcical decision from a farcical referee...
I saw no reason to award a penalty, if anything Joe dived down to get the ball as close to the goal as possible and then attempted to play it but was already across the line and his attekpt to play it resulted in him throwing it in. But it is time for Louth to move on now and hopefully they'll win the next round and will at least have a shot at getting to an AI semi final, which is what they deserve.
There's no rule that says you can't dive when you have possession.
Sometimes I'll be running up the field with no one near me and I'll just throw myself to the ground, do a couple of rolls then get up and keep going.
Don't get me wrong Jinxy, Sheridan did nothing wrong in my book. He attempted to get into a position to get the goal but it just happens he ended up across the line in doing so. Whether he threw it or attempted to kick it after that is neither here nor there as it was an illegal goal at that stage.
If I had Tyrone blood I wouldn't bother getting up! :D
"Sometimes I'll be running up the field with no one near me and I'll just throw myself to the ground, do a couple of rolls then get up and keep going"
Sounds more like a Monty Python or the Three Stooges scene to me. LOL
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2010, 11:20:06 AM
Well done JP Rooney. An honorable response. Put things in perspective.
Bud, you're a tara man for the courts and suing and money and men with wigs and the like. I wouldn't like my goat to crap in your garden I'll give you that.
More of a Newgrange man! Did you notice yer man with the JOHN 3.7 yoke kept her down on Sunday, he believed even Jesus Christ himself thought it was a NO Goal. :D
(http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af109/fennetec/Untitled-13.jpg?)
Why didn't the GPA step in and resolve this whole issue anyway !!! ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2010, 03:43:22 PM
There's no rule that says you can't dive when you have possession.
I'll think you'll find Sludden blew up JP for diving late in the 2nd half
was very disappointed with the slow virtually non existent changes by O'Brien on the sideline. we have said this before. It is probably my biggest worry at the mo. Bad bad 2nd half over all but some new blood would have done no harm half way through. and we certainly have player there lining up for places. Byrne injects pace and passion and should have been on 15 minutes before he was called.
And I think Peadar was only put on because Shane was injured.
Quote from: mattockranger on July 14, 2010, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2010, 03:43:22 PM
There's no rule that says you can't dive when you have possession.
I'll think you'll find Sludden blew up JP for diving late in the 2nd half
He did indeed, Sheridans intention with the dive was most probably to gain a penalty!
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 04:35:06 PM
And I think Peadar was only put on because Shane was injured.
If the forwards aren't performing Queeney and Farrell should be brought on with enough time left that they can make a difference.
O'Brien just doesn't seem to be ruthless enough in this regard.
Quote from: Declan on July 14, 2010, 08:22:07 AM
The final word on
Louth forward JP Rooney reacted to last night's decision not to replay Sunday's game by claiming it was the right one: "I'm delighted that there's no replay. It would have been an anti-climax. That's it, what's done is done and we will try to forget about it now. It will be hard to get it out of our heads but we were training this evening and there was a big group there again. We'll look forward to the next game and life goes on. When you see what happened in Donegal over the weekend, it puts everything into perspective. That was a real tragedy.
"What would we have gained from a replay? It was a lose-lose situation for Louth. If we went out and beat them, it would take away from the actual day that was in it last Sunday and if we lost, we would be in a worse situation. We'll get the heads down now and you don't want to be seen as babies, crying about it.
"But we can't blame Meath, they've done nothing wrong. Croke Park should have had a say in this; the Leinster Council or whoever makes the decisions but they were passing the buck and putting the pressure on Meath. They should have made the call."
Wise words from a fine player. If the rest of the Louth panel have the same attitude they'll be a force in the qualifiers.
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 06:21:51 PM
This what I meant about the penalty. Freeze it on 54 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs7LplDcY0&annotation_id=annotation_371549&feature=iv
Look around 13 secs in where Sheridan dives for the line before the keeper is anywhere near him.
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 06:21:51 PM
This what I meant about the penalty. Freeze it on 54 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs7LplDcY0&annotation_id=annotation_371549&feature=iv
There is no penalty.
By the way - haven't commented to date - my heart goes out to Louth team and their supporters. If something like that had happened to us in 2002 then I'd have lost it totally!!
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 06:21:51 PM
This what I meant about the penalty. Freeze it on 54 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs7LplDcY0&annotation_id=annotation_371549&feature=iv
There's no penalty there. Sheridan just collects the spilled ball and desperately dives for the gap trying to get to the line.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2010, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 06:21:51 PM
This what I meant about the penalty. Freeze it on 54 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs7LplDcY0&annotation_id=annotation_371549&feature=iv
There's no penalty there. Sheridan just collects the spilled ball and desperately dives for the gap trying to get to the line.
Agreed Sheridan dived in like he was playing rugby
Is hardstation a wum, a meath man or a simpleton?
Can we all go home now?
There is nothing to see here anymore.
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 14, 2010, 07:46:34 PM
Louth to take no further action
Meath will go into the All-Ireland quarter-finals as Leinster champions after Louth announced the county will accept the result of Sunday's highly contentious final. In a lengthy statement released this evening, the Louth county board confirmed they will be taking "no further action" on the matter.
After the Meath board rejected calls for a replay yesterday, it had been thought Louth would be prepared to take their case to the Disputes Resolution Authority.
However, while admitting there was an enormous "sense of injustice" at the manner of Meath's win at Croke Park, Louth insisted they had never considered going down the legal route.
Instead, Peter Fitzpatrick's side will now attempt to put the controversy behind them and concentrate on their All-Ireland qualifier campaign.
Full statement from the Louth county board
"In relation to incidents which occurred during and after the Leinster Final on Sunday, July 11th the Executive Committee of the Louth county board have met on a number of occasions to discuss the events of the day and correspondence pertaining to same.
" 1 Goalmouth incident at the end of match: The referee has indicated in his report that he blew the whistle for a penalty, but then changed his mind and awarded a goal instead, which is contrary to playing rules. We also fail to understand why the referee did not consult with both umpires in relation to the goal being awarded, which is also contrary to guidance given to referees in such contraversal circumstances. In the light of this and the clear admission in the referees report that he "made a terrible mistake," the referees report therefore is questionable.
" 2 Rule 6.41 Award / facts of game: The award of the game rests with the committee / council in charge acting on the referees report.
"We would contend that that the committee / council in charge erred in leaving the matter to Meath county board to offer a replay, without seeking clarification from the referee in relation to his match report and his statement "he made a terrible mistake".
"Despite the fact that there are several avenues open to us to question the result we believe we have a responsibility to our members and supporters alike to display leadership on this issue and to move forward to the qualifiers. At no stage (contrary to media reports) did we have a legal representative present at any of our deliberations and we would also like to state that at no stage did we consider legal proceedings on the matter.
"The sense of injustice which is being felt in Louth GAA is enormous. However, the executive committee of the Louth county board, the senior team management and players have decided to take no further action regarding the outcome of the Leinster football championship final.
"On behalf of Louth GAA we would take this opportunity to congratulate our players and team management on a magnificent performance on Sunday, and wish them every success in the remainder of the championship. We would also take this opportunity to thank our loyal supporters who turned out in their thousands to cheer our team on, and we would encourage them to continue with their loyal support in the remainder of the championship.
"We have already condemned the disgraceful scenes which occurred post match and we would reiterate that there is no place for those individuals within our organisation.
"We wish the Meath players and management every success in their campaign.
"Louth have had over the years a long and proud history of promoting the best interests of the GAA and will continue to strive to do so on and off the field of play.
"Finally, in light of the tragic events which occurred in Donegal over the weekend we realise that we must put our situation in context and we would like to extend our deepest sympathies to the family and friends of those deceased."
Fair play to Louth they've taken the sensible approac, despite what some are claiming they wouldn't have done their supporters or their players any favours by pursuing this any further.
If there had been a penalty, was there a Meath man with the cojones to go for a goal?
Well both Seamus and Joe went for goal when the safe option would have been a point and we'd have been talking about Saturday's replay.
Quote from: Main Street on July 14, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
If there had been a penalty, was there a Meath man with the cojones to go for a goal?
Ward would definitely have gone for a goal.
Remember GG, Navan, 2002?
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2010, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 14, 2010, 06:21:51 PM
This what I meant about the penalty. Freeze it on 54 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs7LplDcY0&annotation_id=annotation_371549&feature=iv
There is no penalty.
By the way - haven't commented to date - my heart goes out to Louth team and their supporters. If something like that had happened to us in 2002 then I'd have lost it totally!!
If that happened to any of my teams I'd go mental as well.
Would you attack the referee? Would you hit a steward with a bottle? Would you punch an opposition player?
Very proud of our County Board and the way that they have conducted themselves, this along with the conduct of the players and management and the overall display on Sunday does in fact give us a lot to be proud of in the Wee County and true evidence that lads who let the dark side get the better of themselves on Sunday are not representative of us a GAA county. We have the right man leading the team and the right man leading our county board, there is cause for optimism! The statement clearly shows how cowardly the Leinster Council were in the whole matter!
Quote from: Hound on July 14, 2010, 02:55:40 PM
I think Louth would dominate midfield against either Dublin or Meath and I doubt their forwards would be as wasteful as they were against Meath, thus I'd fancy Louth to beat either Dublin or Meath if they meet later (although only if they get their heads right of course).
I subscribe to these thoughts myself, including the final caveat
Quote from: Main Street on July 14, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
If there had been a penalty, was there a Meath man with the cojones to go for a goal?
All kinds of speculation by Keyes in the Indo today that Ward has an excellent record but might have been instructed to point it!! Who the f**k knows what would have happened!
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2010, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 14, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
If there had been a penalty, was there a Meath man with the cojones to go for a goal?
Ward would definitely have gone for a goal.
Yeh, he probably would have picked up the ball and ran into the goals with it :D
It's a wonder ye didn't try a bit of that yourselves down in Cork.
Nothing else seemed to be working.
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 08:45:04 PM
Would you attack the referee? Would you hit a steward with a bottle? Would you punch an opposition player?
No I wouldn't, but the language would not be nice coming from my mouth to all and sundry for a long time.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2010, 09:06:55 PM
It's a wonder ye didn't try a bit of that yourselves down in Cork.
Nothing else seemed to be working.
Sure we couldn't get the ball to cheat with it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2010, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 08:45:04 PM
Would you attack the referee? Would you hit a steward with a bottle? Would you punch an opposition player?
No I wouldn't, but the language would not be nice coming from my mouth to all and sundry for a long time.
+1
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 14, 2010, 07:26:21 PM
Is hardstation a wum, a meath man or a simpleton?
I think he's really Stephen Nolan in disguise ;)
Just after watching the whole 70 mins for the second time and by far the most noticeable aspect is that up until the ref made a maess of the final decision he had given Louth absolutely everything. At least 5 Louth scores came from extremely questionable frees awarded to them. I know if the game had ended in a normal fashion I would have been extremely irate if I Had been a Meath man. Some of the lift ball decisions were crazy while a free given against Nigel Crawford was simply inexplicable. Im an Armagh man who watched Sludden give two incompetent displays in games against Down in the league and Monaghan in the championship. There is only one conclusion can be drawn. He is not capable of refereeing inter county football and hopefully never will again. I would also include Mr Fahy from Longford and Mr O Caoinnbhe from Galway in that grouping.
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 08:45:04 PM
Would you attack the referee? Would you hit a steward with a bottle? Would you punch an opposition player?
I would answer the first two with a definite 'no' and I'd prevaricate somewhat on the third one.
I probably would hop a few effs off the ref if I was a Louth player last Sunday but I never abused one in my life and I'd probably be too gutted last Sunday to do anything but lie down on the ground and bury my head in my hands. I couldn't see myself ever hurtling an object of any sort at anybody, stewards included.
I doubt that I'd directly attack an opposition player either as a fan or a player but with testosterone levels all around in the red zone, I could see myself lashing out in retaliation if I had been a Louth player and I felt the opponent approaching with outstretched hand was coming over to taunt me.
The Meath players have been very reticent about what passed between them and their opponents at the end of the game. All we have heard to date is that the Meath panel were incensed at the reaction they say
some of them got from
some of the Louth lads and used this as their reason to decide against a replay.
No specific details have been released and no Meath players have come forward to say that they were genuinely offering the hand of friendship and commiseration and were not trying to rub the proverbial salt into the wound.
AFAIK, no Louth players have commented on this episode either so I won't give my answer to the last question without knowing what actually went on between the players of both sides.
Quote from: norabeag on July 14, 2010, 10:24:22 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 14, 2010, 07:26:21 PM
Is hardstation a wum, a meath man or a simpleton?
I think he's really Stephen Nolan in disguise ;)
Not very nice.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2010, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 08:45:04 PM
Would you attack the referee? Would you hit a steward with a bottle? Would you punch an opposition player?
I would answer the first two with a definite 'no' and I'd prevaricate somewhat on the third one.
I probably would hop a few effs off the ref if I was a Louth player last Sunday but I never abused one in my life and I'd probably be too gutted last Sunday to do anything but lie down on the ground and bury my head in my hands. I couldn't see myself ever hurtling an object of any sort at anybody, stewards included.
I doubt that I'd directly attack an opposition player either as a fan or a player but with testosterone levels all around in the red zone, I could see myself lashing out in retaliation if I had been a Louth player and I felt the opponent approaching with outstretched hand was coming over to taunt me.
The Meath players have been very reticent about what passed between them and their opponents at the end of the game. All we have heard to date is that the Meath panel were incensed at the reaction they say some of them got from some of the Louth lads and used this as their reason to decide against a replay.
No specific details have been released and no Meath players have come forward to say that they were genuinely offering the hand of friendship and commiseration and were not trying to rub the proverbial salt into the wound.
AFAIK, no Louth players have commented on this episode either so I won't give my answer to the last question without knowing what actually went on between the players of both sides.
In all honesty, did you see anyone trying to rub salt into the wound?
There's extensive footage there.
People have tried to make out that Joe Sheridan was laughing in Louth players faces, however it was only after an elbow from Brian White and some other player squaring up to him that he smiled, as much to say "What are you doing?".
I saw plenty of players shaking hands but I've heard that some of the Louth players refused to in the heat of the moment.
Just out of interest, if a Meath player came out and said he was abused or struck by an opposition player how would YOU react?
I'm guessing they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Mark Ward made no comment on the punch he received and didn't retaliate which he was well within his rights to do.
Press Statement release from the Louth County Board.
Leinster Football Championship Final; An Lú v An Mhí.
In relation to incidents which occurred during and after the LSFC Final on Sun 11th July 2010 the Executive Committee of the Louth County Board have met on a number of occasions to discuss the events of the day and correspondence pertaining to same..
Goalmouth incident at the end of match: The referee has indicated in his report that he blew the whistle for a penalty, but then changed his mind and awarded a goal instead, which is contrary to Playing Rules. We also fail to understand why the referee did not consult with both umpires in relation to the goal being awarded, which is also contrary to guidance given to referees in such contraversal circumstances. In the light of this and the clear admission in the referees report that he "made a terrible mistake", the referees Report therefore is questionable.
Rule 6.41 Award //facts of game: The award of the game rests with the committee / council in charge acting on the referees report.
We would contend that that the committee / council in charge erred in leaving the matter to Meath County Board to offer a replay, without seeking clarification from the referee in relation to his match report and his state.............
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/14/louth-do-not-look-for-replay/
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 14, 2010, 07:46:34 PM
Louth to take no further action
Meath will go into the All-Ireland quarter-finals as Leinster champions after Louth announced the county will accept the result of Sunday's highly contentious final. In a lengthy statement released this evening, the Louth county board confirmed they will be taking "no further action" on the matter.
After the Meath board rejected calls for a replay yesterday, it had been thought Louth would be prepared to take their case to the Disputes Resolution Authority.
However, while admitting there was an enormous "sense of injustice" at the manner of Meath's win at Croke Park, Louth insisted they had never considered going down the legal route.
Instead, Peter Fitzpatrick's side will now attempt to put the controversy behind them and concentrate on their All-Ireland qualifier campaign.
Full statement from the Louth county board
"In relation to incidents which occurred during and after the Leinster Final on Sunday, July 11th the Executive Committee of the Louth county board have met on a number of occasions to discuss the events of the day and correspondence pertaining to same.
" 1 Goalmouth incident at the end of match: The referee has indicated in his report that he blew the whistle for a penalty, but then changed his mind and awarded a goal instead, which is contrary to playing rules. We also fail to understand why the referee did not consult with both umpires in relation to the goal being awarded, which is also contrary to guidance given to referees in such contraversal circumstances. In the light of this and the clear admission in the referees report that he "made a terrible mistake," the referees report therefore is questionable.
" 2 Rule 6.41 Award / facts of game: The award of the game rests with the committee / council in charge acting on the referees report.
"We would contend that that the committee / council in charge erred in leaving the matter to Meath county board to offer a replay, without seeking clarification from the referee in relation to his match report and his statement "he made a terrible mistake".
"Despite the fact that there are several avenues open to us to question the result we believe we have a responsibility to our members and supporters alike to display leadership on this issue and to move forward to the qualifiers. At no stage (contrary to media reports) did we have a legal representative present at any of our deliberations and we would also like to state that at no stage did we consider legal proceedings on the matter.
"The sense of injustice which is being felt in Louth GAA is enormous. However, the executive committee of the Louth county board, the senior team management and players have decided to take no further action regarding the outcome of the Leinster football championship final.
"On behalf of Louth GAA we would take this opportunity to congratulate our players and team management on a magnificent performance on Sunday, and wish them every success in the remainder of the championship. We would also take this opportunity to thank our loyal supporters who turned out in their thousands to cheer our team on, and we would encourage them to continue with their loyal support in the remainder of the championship.
"We have already condemned the disgraceful scenes which occurred post match and we would reiterate that there is no place for those individuals within our organisation.
"We wish the Meath players and management every success in their campaign.
"Louth have had over the years a long and proud history of promoting the best interests of the GAA and will continue to strive to do so on and off the field of play.
"Finally, in light of the tragic events which occurred in Donegal over the weekend we realise that we must put our situation in context and we would like to extend our deepest sympathies to the family and friends of those deceased."
Very noble of Louth county board. Only time will tell if it was the correct - though in all honesty I dont think there was a correct course of action to take. Some messes just can't be cleaned up. You would hope that Louth CB will be respected for this decision but I have my doubts. There ll be cooing noises no doubt but ultimately I think it will be looked upon as weakness by the powers in the game. Unfortunately the smaller guys just have to take their shafting with as much good grace as they can muster. Better to roll over and have your belly tickled when the most likely alternative is a shoe in the hole.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2010, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2010, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 08:45:04 PM
Would you attack the referee? Would you hit a steward with a bottle? Would you punch an opposition player?
I would answer the first two with a definite 'no' and I'd prevaricate somewhat on the third one.
I probably would hop a few effs off the ref if I was a Louth player last Sunday but I never abused one in my life and I'd probably be too gutted last Sunday to do anything but lie down on the ground and bury my head in my hands. I couldn't see myself ever hurtling an object of any sort at anybody, stewards included.
I doubt that I'd directly attack an opposition player either as a fan or a player but with testosterone levels all around in the red zone, I could see myself lashing out in retaliation if I had been a Louth player and I felt the opponent approaching with outstretched hand was coming over to taunt me.
The Meath players have been very reticent about what passed between them and their opponents at the end of the game. All we have heard to date is that the Meath panel were incensed at the reaction they say some of them got from some of the Louth lads and used this as their reason to decide against a replay.
No specific details have been released and no Meath players have come forward to say that they were genuinely offering the hand of friendship and commiseration and were not trying to rub the proverbial salt into the wound.
AFAIK, no Louth players have commented on this episode either so I won't give my answer to the last question without knowing what actually went on between the players of both sides.
In all honesty, did you see anyone trying to rub salt into the wound?
There's extensive footage there.
People have tried to make out that Joe Sheridan was laughing in Louth players faces, however it was only after an elbow from Brian White and some other player squaring up to him that he smiled, as much to say "What are you doing?".
I saw plenty of players shaking hands but I've heard that some of the Louth players refused to in the heat of the moment.
Just out of interest, if a Meath player came out and said he was abused or struck by an opposition player how would YOU react?
I'm guessing they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Mark Ward made no comment on the punch he received and didn't retaliate which he was well within his rights to do.
No, I can truthfully say I didn't see any evidence of taunting or gloating whatsoever.
That's not to say that there was none either. I simply don't know and I was only responding honestly to a fair question.
Obviously, Hardy had the aftermath of last Sunday's game in mind when he posed the question and I was trying to see things from the perspective of the Louth lads who allegedly struck their opponents.
I spent over ten years living in Meath and I have nothing but good memories from my time there. You can take it that I had no hidden agenda when answering Hardy's question.
Keeping this in mind, I'll try to respond to the points you have made.
People have tried to make out that Joe Sheridan was laughing in Louth players faces, however it was only after an elbow from Brian White and some other player squaring up to him that he smiled, as much to say "What are you doing?". Can you honestly swear that Sheridan wasn't laughing in Louth players' faces? I certainly cannot and I'd suggest that you have no way of knowing either.
Given Joe's Sheridan's part in scoring the goal that wasn't and his explanation of what happened on TV afterwards, Brian White just might have genuine reasons for squaring up to him. He might just as easily be saying, "Tough shit, losers."
Either way, it's a matter of conjecture, not fact.
I saw plenty of players shaking hands but I've heard that some of the Louth players refused to in the heat of the moment.This was my recollection also. However, I saw no evidence of Louth players actually striking a single Meath player. Maybe it did happen but I can't comment because I simply don't know.
Just out of interest, if a Meath player came out and said he was abused or struck by an opposition player how would YOU react?I'd make sure I had facts and not allegations before I did anything.
Mark Ward made no comment on the punch he received and didn't retaliate which he was well within his rights to do.Like I've been saying all along, I'd need fact not allegation before I could give a truthful answer and I've seen no evidence to date to prove he was physically attacked.
Even if he was, I'd be slow to accept that he was well within his rights to react in like measure. Keep in mind that all this happened in the heat of the moment and that if you accept that he had the right to retaliate then you have to grant the same right to the Louth players who felt they were being taunted.
What I will say without qualification of any sort is that I will be disappointed if it turns out that the Meath team refused to accept a replay on the grounds that some Louth players refused to accept their defeat gracefully.
If they refused to replay the game on a matter of principle of some sort, that's fine by me but, above all teams in the land, Meath has had plenty of last gasp decisions going for and against them and should know by now that what happens in the heat of the moment isn't always a reliable guide to what opponents or indeed themselves really feel.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2010, 01:43:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2010, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2010, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2010, 08:45:04 PM
Would you attack the referee? Would you hit a steward with a bottle? Would you punch an opposition player?
I would answer the first two with a definite 'no' and I'd prevaricate somewhat on the third one.
I probably would hop a few effs off the ref if I was a Louth player last Sunday but I never abused one in my life and I'd probably be too gutted last Sunday to do anything but lie down on the ground and bury my head in my hands. I couldn't see myself ever hurtling an object of any sort at anybody, stewards included.
I doubt that I'd directly attack an opposition player either as a fan or a player but with testosterone levels all around in the red zone, I could see myself lashing out in retaliation if I had been a Louth player and I felt the opponent approaching with outstretched hand was coming over to taunt me.
The Meath players have been very reticent about what passed between them and their opponents at the end of the game. All we have heard to date is that the Meath panel were incensed at the reaction they say some of them got from some of the Louth lads and used this as their reason to decide against a replay.
No specific details have been released and no Meath players have come forward to say that they were genuinely offering the hand of friendship and commiseration and were not trying to rub the proverbial salt into the wound.
AFAIK, no Louth players have commented on this episode either so I won't give my answer to the last question without knowing what actually went on between the players of both sides.
In all honesty, did you see anyone trying to rub salt into the wound?
There's extensive footage there.
People have tried to make out that Joe Sheridan was laughing in Louth players faces, however it was only after an elbow from Brian White and some other player squaring up to him that he smiled, as much to say "What are you doing?".
I saw plenty of players shaking hands but I've heard that some of the Louth players refused to in the heat of the moment.
Just out of interest, if a Meath player came out and said he was abused or struck by an opposition player how would YOU react?
I'm guessing they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Mark Ward made no comment on the punch he received and didn't retaliate which he was well within his rights to do.
No, I can truthfully say I didn't see any evidence of taunting or gloating whatsoever.
That's not to say that there was none either. I simply don't know and I was only responding honestly to a fair question.
Obviously, Hardy had the aftermath of last Sunday's game in mind when he posed the question and I was trying to see things from the perspective of the Louth lads who allegedly struck their opponents.
I spent over ten years living in Meath and I have nothing but good memories from my time there. You can take it that I had no hidden agenda when answering Hardy's question.
Keeping this in mind, I'll try to respond to the points you have made.
People have tried to make out that Joe Sheridan was laughing in Louth players faces, however it was only after an elbow from Brian White and some other player squaring up to him that he smiled, as much to say "What are you doing?".
Can you honestly swear that Sheridan wasn't laughing in Louth players' faces? I certainly cannot and I'd suggest that you have no way of knowing either.
Given Joe's Sheridan's part in scoring the goal that wasn't and his explanation of what happened on TV afterwards, Brian White just might have genuine reasons for squaring up to him. He might just as easily be saying, "Tough shit, losers."
Either way, it's a matter of conjecture, not fact.
I saw plenty of players shaking hands but I've heard that some of the Louth players refused to in the heat of the moment.
This was my recollection also. However, I saw no evidence of Louth players actually striking a single Meath player. Maybe it did happen but I can't comment because I simply don't know.
Just out of interest, if a Meath player came out and said he was abused or struck by an opposition player how would YOU react?
I'd make sure I had facts and not allegations before I did anything.
Mark Ward made no comment on the punch he received and didn't retaliate which he was well within his rights to do.
Like I've been saying all along, I'd need fact not allegation before I could give a truthful answer and I've seen no evidence to date to prove he was physically attacked.
Even if he was, I'd be slow to accept that he was well within his rights to react in like measure. Keep in mind that all this happened in the heat of the moment and that if you accept that he had the right to retaliate then you have to grant the same right to the Louth players who felt they were being taunted.
What I will say without qualification of any sort is that I will be disappointed if it turns out that the Meath team refused to accept a replay on the grounds that some Louth players refused to accept their defeat gracefully.
If they refused to replay the game on a matter of principle of some sort, that's fine by me but, above all teams in the land, Meath has had plenty of last gasp decisions going for and against them and should know by now that what happens in the heat of the moment isn't always a reliable guide to what opponents or indeed themselves really feel.
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Have you watched a TV or read a paper since Sunday?
This thread is only 300 or so replies from the Kerry v Tyrone All Ireland Final thread 2008! i'm sure it can beat it & the title of this thread will be remembered for years to come... in time people will ask where were you will the Battle of the Boyne was played?
irrespective of square balls, goals, non goals, temporary umpirical blindness, a mistake by a ref and no procedures or video evidence etc etc set up by GAA to eradicate such problems - Sheridans 'gloating' was the reaction of any player to hostility from another player.
imo.
these days you cant hit anyone or you are suspended.What players do instead is smirk or laugh at anyone that jars them up as you cant retaliate for a push or provocation.
I can understand the louth players irate reaction too towards Joe. SO I dont think its right to say that Sheridan was smirking due to the goal.
But what I say here is that all this would be unnecessary if we had video replays to adjudicate on certain decisions during a game.
I think this might need its own thread.
Lar, I'm amazed at you. I thought you were a level-headed, fair commentator, but you seem to be getting carried away with wild and whirling words. Where are you getting tis stuff from? Players shake hands with each other after every match. Why are you suggesting that on this one occasion in your experience the Meath players were only seeking to taunt their opponents by offering the hand? That's just made up, as far as I can see with no basis whatever. I certainly haven't heard the suggestion anywhere else. What would you be sayiing if the Meath players had not offered their hands?
Then you set up a straw man argument to give yourself something to shoot down. "Can you honestly swear that Sheridan wasn’t laughing in Louth players’ faces? I certainly cannot and I’d suggest that you have no way of knowing either." Well if you certainly cannot, where did the argument and suggestion come from? Can you honestly swear you didn't rob Swans of Curraha last week?
"He might just as easily be saying, “Tough shit, losers.”". Indeed. He might just as well have been saying "I have an awful toothache". Again, where do you get that from? In fact I didn't see him move his lips at all except to smile. Is that an unacceptable reaction to being elbowed in the chest? What would your reaction, or invention of motivation have been if he had punched him, which would be the reaction of a less restrained player.
"I’d make sure I had facts and not allegations before I did anything." Your sense of humour hasn't deserted you anyhow.
When did you stop beating your wife?
Well it seems Louth County Boards assessment of the facts mirrored my own. The CCCC abdicated responsibility here and forced the pressure onto the wrong people. Even though I think Louth should have been awarded the game I commend Meath for not offering the replay. The replay was a total red herring but not surprisingly most people bought the dummy.
Louth are in no position to appeal anything given their financial situation so once it got this far it was unlikely to go any further. The boys in Croker knew how this would play out. The damage done to the GAA in Louth doesn't really matter to them. A sad situation and a salient lesson to those who expect fairness from the GAA.
It should be possible to keep this thread going for another 300 posts.
Just link Joe Sheridan with some unsavoury character and post it and wait for the Meath lads to ascend their high horses
and - voilà . Repeat ad nauseum brought on by thoughts of the glaring injustice to which Louth were subjected. Bring in parallels with other suffering people and repeat Joe Sheridan thoughts and bingo.
There is more mileage in bringing in previous examples of Tyrone suffering in Croke park. The extent to which counties nurse these grievances is very instructive.
Perhaps the GAA needs a truth and reconciliation commission where all of the pain stored from the past can be laid out on the table.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2010, 01:47:45 AM
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Have you watched a TV or read a paper since Sunday?
I have indeed, Jinxy, I have indeed.
I have not seen, heard or read anything that would allow me to answer Hardy's question, (Would you punch an opposition player?) with a straight no.
My only assumption was that he had a Louth player or players in mind when he posed this question. But my answer applies equally to both sides; I saw nothing to suggest that a Meath player approached an opponent in order to punch him either.
Now, on to your original response to my original response to Hardy: (Phew! This is heavy going.) ;D
People have tried to make out that Joe Sheridan was laughing in Louth players faces, however it was only after an elbow from Brian White and some other player squaring up to him that he smiled, as much to say "What are you doing?".
Here, you are stating as fact that Joe wasn't actually smiling and asking a simple question, in bemusement presumably, of White and the other player. In the light of his subsequent interview shortly after the game, where he smiled once more and came up with a c**k and bull story to explain why he felt his goal was legitimate, I feel I have good reason to doubt your take on what happened between him and White. I don't know and once again, I'm suggesting you don't either.
That's all and so I can't give Hardy a straight no, going by this incident.
I did state in my first post on this topic that I felt it was regrettable that both Sheridan and Peter Fitzpatrick were interviewed on TV so shortly after the end of the game. Both came out with comments that could be taken as provocative by the respective opposing sides.
It would have been better all around if they had been given more time to compose their thoughts.
Finally, why do you feel that Mark Ward would be well within his rights to retaliate in any way he saw fit to the punch he received when you can't possibly know what led up to this punch?
In that case, could it not be said that the Louth player was also acting within his rights and reacting to what he perceived as provocation from Ward?
Once again, I'd need evidence before I'd comment on this incident one way or the other.
Look, I'm merely acting as Devil's Advocate here and I'm not a partisan Louth supporter either. I still won't answer Hardy's third question with an unequivocal 'no.'
PS Colm O'Rourke is my favourite TV analyst, followed closely by Kevin McStay.
I agree with what they had to say on TSG.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2010, 10:05:58 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2010, 01:47:45 AM
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Have you watched a TV or read a paper since Sunday?
I have not seen, heard or read anything that would allow me to answer Hardy's question, (Would you punch an opposition player?) with a straight no.
My only assumption was that he had a Louth player or players in mind when he posed this
For clarity, I didn't. I had spectators clouting players in mind.
For the record, there are pictures showing Mark Ward being punched in the face by a spectator in a red jersey. I usually don't rely on still photographs as evidence, but seek this one out and make up your own mind.
Once again, where are you coming from in putting out the suggestion that Ward did something to provoke the assault, other than being a Meath player? Even if he did, and that's not even suggested by any other source, unless he struck a blow first there would be no justification for a spectator physically assaulting him. So why sneak in the "provocation" suggestion. Have you made up what he might have said yet, as you were able to do for Joe Sheridan?
Sorry if my reaction seems a little extreme, but I'm slightly alarmed that you and people who should know better are behaving like children at a Saturday matinee cheering on the white hats against the black hats and feeling free to say anything hat comes into their heads about the baddies. The media are at it as well. Kenny was asking yesterday how Meath players could look their children in the eye. The sort of caricature baddie stuff you're suggesting (but, carefully, not actually stating) is in the same category. I'm just trying to balance things up a bit for the monsters. They're quite nice when you get to know them and only eat their children under extreme provocation.
Good man Hardy. Was Mark Ward not punched in the face by a meath player who had swapped his jersey with a louth player on account of his being no shrinking violet? these are the things you can't tell from a still photo.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 15, 2010, 09:53:55 AMThe boys in Croker knew how this would play out. The damage done to the GAA in Louth doesn't really matter to them.
That is the saddest aspect of the whole affair .
Sure what matter if we lose another County to "other codes" once we didnt have to take on any responsibility or make any decision on anything.
Leadership howareya >:(
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2010, 10:42:12 AM
Good man Hardy. Was Mark Ward not punched in the face by a meath player who had swapped his jersey with a louth player on account of his being no shrinking violet?
It's as good as any of the other made-up suggestions, that's for sure.
Quote from: Hardy on July 15, 2010, 09:32:54 AM
Lar, I'm amazed at you. I thought you were a level-headed, fair commentator, but you seem to be getting carried away with wild and whirling words. Where are you getting tis stuff from? Players shake hands with each other after every match. Why are you suggesting that on this one occasion in your experience the Meath players were only seeking to taunt their opponents by offering the hand? That's just made up, as far as I can see with no basis whatever. I certainly haven't heard the suggestion anywhere else. What would you be sayiing if the Meath players had not offered their hands?
Then you set up a straw man argument to give yourself something to shoot down. "Can you honestly swear that Sheridan wasn't laughing in Louth players' faces? I certainly cannot and I'd suggest that you have no way of knowing either." Well if you certainly cannot, where did the argument and suggestion come from? Can you honestly swear you didn't rob Swans of Curraha last week?
"He might just as easily be saying, "Tough shit, losers."". Indeed. He might just as well have been saying "I have an awful toothache". Again, where do you get that from? In fact I didn't see him move his lips at all except to smile. Is that an unacceptable reaction to being elbowed in the chest? What would your reaction, or invention of motivation have been if he had punched him, which would be the reaction of a less restrained player.
"I'd make sure I had facts and not allegations before I did anything." Your sense of humour hasn't deserted you anyhow.
When did you stop beating your wife?
Jaysus, Hardy calm down!
I've just come back online to try and settle Jinxy down, only to find you in even more pugnacious mode than he. ;D
I did not set out to make allegations of any sort against either side. Full stop!
You posed a straight question and I attempted to give you a considered answer.
Once more and with feeling; I would never walk up to an opponent and belt him on the kisser or give him a kick up the rock and roll or anything of the sort.
No way, Jose and all that.
With me so far?
Now I took it that you had in mind some incident that happened in the immediate aftermath of the game. Furthermore, I assumed you feel that at least one Louth player launched an unprovoked assault on at least one Meath player. I think both are quite reasonable assumptions, given that you come from Meath and in light of the controversy that has erupted.
Now, if I had been a player, from either side, I still would not have walked up to an opponent to deliberately clock him. If I thought some hoor was only trying to provoke me, I could conceivably lash out in retaliation but I'd probably be too wrecked to even notice his presence.
That's all I said and that's all I meant. I am genuinely taken aback at the reaction of both you and Jinxy to what I wrote. Both of you may not be paranoid, but you sure seem to think that the whole world is out to get you.
If I had been a Meath player, I would have given the very same answer.
Anything that happened on the field immediately after the game is a matter of conjecture not definite fact. Therefore, I did not and will not take sides as I don't know what went on.
But I did gently suggest to Jinxy that,m as he doesn't seem to know either, I can't possibly accept his assertion that Joe Sheridan was only smiling as if to say, "What are you doing?" He may well have been but he could also be rubbing salt in the wound, as it were. I don't know and I merely suggested to Jinxy that he doesn't appear to know either.
Likewise with Mark Ward; if one were to accept that he was well within his rights to act as he saw fit, without knowing if he was provoking or retaliating, the Battle of the Boyne would have been re-enacted on the spot.
I REPEAT THAT I DID NOT AND WILL NOT TAKE SIDES ON THIS ONE.
Imo, there is one hell of a difference between assuming that some Meath players may well have been proactive in their approach and stating that the same is a definite fact.
Finally, thank you for your compliments at the beginning of your post. I have some nice things to say about you in response.
I have said several times before that I place you in joint first place at the top of my list of 'must read' posters. You're right up there alongside Evil Genius, a man who fully lives up to both parts of his handle.
Come to think of it, you live up to your alias also. You're one hardy hoor to fight your corner! ;D
(I think I should pm EG for the craic to see if he has any thoughts on this barney.)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2010, 11:41:01 AM
Finally, thank you for your compliments at the beginning of your post. I have some nice things to say about you in response.
I have said several times before that I place you in joint first place at the top of my list of 'must read' posters. You're right up there alongside Evil Genius, a man who fully lives up to both parts of his handle.
Come to think of it, you live up to your alias also. You're one hardy hoor to fight your corner! ;D
(I think I should pm EG for the craic to see if he has any thoughts on this barney.)
ah come on now Lar enough of the sweet talki a couple of weeks ago your top 2 were Eg and sligonian, now stick to your guns nothing better than a battle between a mayo man and 2 meath bucks your doing a stirling job keep her lit ;) :D
Just for clarity, Lar, my original post was responding to someone who said that (as a supporter, I presumed) they'd go mental if their team was in Louth's position. I responded by asking would they (as a supporter) go so mental as to attack the referee, punch players, etc. What I had in mind all the time was the people who ran amok on the pitch (one of whom appears to have punched Mark Ward), not the Louth players.
As Louth players didn't come into my point, anything they might have said or done doesn't arise. I have no evidence of any assault by Louth players on Meath players. The only place I heard that suggested was when Kenny said on the radio yesterday morning that his "sources" suggested this happened and, further, that this was a motivation for the Meath players' attitude to (the mythical notion of) a replay. I posted that report here - not the allegation - the fact that Kenny stated the allegation. On reflection, I shouldn't have, as the allegation itself had no more status than rumour.
Jesus.
Is this thread still going? :P
Just by way of diversion - did anyone see a big (about 20 ft. by 10 ft.) red-and white chequered banner on Sunday, with the words "No surrender to the <something>". It was hung over the front of the premium level, section 530 - i.e. just on the canal side of halfway, during the presentation ceremony. We were sitting in the Premium level, towards the back as about five fellas went down to the front and unfurled it. The <something> word was the only bit we didn't see. I assumed it was probably something political and the look of the people involved lent to that impression.
I couldn't see it on the TV coverage. It should have been visible all over the stadium apart from The Hogan Stand. Anyone?
No idea Hardy, but those lads chasing the ref after the game all looked like Sinn Fein members to me :)
Quote from: stephenite on July 15, 2010, 12:49:11 PM
No idea Hardy, but those lads chasing the ref after the game all looked like Sinn Fein members to me :)
What does a Sinn Fein member look like?
They always carry a load of coats under one arm.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 15, 2010, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2010, 11:41:01 AM
Finally, thank you for your compliments at the beginning of your post. I have some nice things to say about you in response.
I have said several times before that I place you in joint first place at the top of my list of 'must read' posters. You're right up there alongside Evil Genius, a man who fully lives up to both parts of his handle.
Come to think of it, you live up to your alias also. You're one hardy hoor to fight your corner! ;D
(I think I should pm EG for the craic to see if he has any thoughts on this barney.)
ah come on now Lar enough of the sweet talki a couple of weeks ago your top 2 were Eg and sligonian, now stick to your guns nothing better than a battle between a mayo man and 2 meath bucks your doing a stirling job keep her lit ;) :D
Janey, I've been caught out!
What I really meant to say is (shades of Brian Cowan here) that Hardy and EG are extremely able and level - headed debaters who can present their respective arguments in a logical and well- organised manner. (Memo to myself at this point: Cut it out at once, Lar.)
Their arguments are always interesting to read and especially so when they lose the plot, as they often do.
By comparison, I always head straight to Sligonian's latest post as they are all very interesting to read- because he never seems to have a plot to begin with so he can't ever lose it. He's always OTT from start to finish.
There! How's zat?
Do you think I've managed to please everybody? ;D
There's a plot?
I knew it!
It will be interesting to see how The Disciplinary Committee handle things when they sit down to review this match. Interesting times ahead.
QuoteIt will be interesting to see how The Disciplinary Committee handle things when they sit down to review this match. Interesting times ahead.
Since Louth have shown themselves to be men enough to acccpet and move on without resorting to legal action then the GAA should reciprocate the gesture by overlooking any breaches of discipline that resulted from their man in black making a complete balls of things. No players should be punished given their understandable anger and suich a ridiculous decision.
Quote from: Hardy on July 15, 2010, 01:21:25 PM
There's a plot?
I knew it!
of course there is a plot hardy ;D
Exceptional circumstances I do believe.
Also were there not mistakes made by the G.A.A not given more protection to the Ref.no matter what errors were made by him ?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2010, 01:13:22 PM
What I really meant to say is (shades of Brian Cowan here) that Hardy and EG are extremely able and level - headed debaters who can present their respective arguments in a logical and well- organised manner.
Their arguments are always interesting to read and especially so when they lose the plot, as they often do.
Do you think I've managed to please everybody? ;D
Damned with faint praise.
I had a quick look at the match highlights last night again and using freeze frame there were a few lads who really had it in for the ref and the linesman.
One big huge lad in particular who attacked him from behind with his shoulder and then came back in for a 2nd and third time
Surely this lad will get a life time ban from Croke Park along with the other lads who are very obvious on video
I just listened there to RTE sport at 7 podcasts and some interesting views passed there
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_sportat7.xml (http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_sportat7.xml)
As we all expected the mistake was admitted but nothing was done about it
Like many have said players train hard for months and when you lose like this it leaves a sour taste in your mouth
Its not til it happens to you yourself that you can really appreciate it.
Some say you can be interfering with the result as that will set a precedence then but surely that's the problem
As a precedence hasnt been set before maybe now is the time to do this
As it was such an obvious mistake that the ref missed then he the ref should be given the choice to whether it should be corrected or not.
Others are saying if you bring this in now then its a can of worms for all decisions but I think that is should be up to the ref if he wants video help or not. When something happens on the field I think a video ref should be able to bring it to the Refs attention right away so he stops the match. Signals to the TV ref as the rugby lads do and then the ref is seen as making the call with the assistance of video evidence
In this way he will no longer be the only one that does not have video evidence and so he will make less mistakes and so not feel so isolated or scared of making mistakes. Everyone happy that the right decision was made
Only the Ref can request to use the video evidence though so if the TV ref sees a punch off the ball and radios this to the ref, the ref has to choose whether to ignore it or act on it.
Then at club level the ref doesnt have the video evidence and is not wired to the other officials so as the standard of football decreases, so does the level of referring.
Hardy, Lar and Jinxy. It was all down to me saying I'd go mental. :o Sorry lads...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2010, 05:27:36 PM
Hardy, Lar and Jinxy. It was all down to me saying I'd go mental. :o Sorry lads...
Fret not, my son, you won't be going mental anytime soon.
Well, not unless you back up a good deal and then come forward again. After all, how can anyone go anywhere or anything when he has well and truly arrived there a long time ago? ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2010, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2010, 05:27:36 PM
Hardy, Lar and Jinxy. It was all down to me saying I'd go mental. :o Sorry lads...
Fret not, my son, you won't be going mental anytime soon.
Well, not unless you back up a good deal and then come forward again. After all, how can anyone go anywhere or anything when he has well and truly arrived there a long time ago? ;D
Did he ever leave?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2010, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2010, 05:27:36 PM
Hardy, Lar and Jinxy. It was all down to me saying I'd go mental. :o Sorry lads...
Fret not, my son, you won't be going mental anytime soon.
Well, not unless you back up a good deal and then come forward again. After all, how can anyone go anywhere or anything when he has well and truly arrived there a long time ago? ;D
:D
So how are the celebrations going down in Meath?
I predict that the conscience of some of their players will get in the way during their next match and they will be beaten.
Hardy - You called me a c**k in a previous thread, care to explain why? Did I cut a bit close to the bone or is just the thick ignorant Meath man trying to come out in you?
Despite 1996 I have never had much hostility towards Meath but it seems a lot of counties have it in for the Royals, even when they've done little wrong, as is the case here. Are Meath the Roscommon of Leinster?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 15, 2010, 11:06:13 PM
So how are the celebrations going down in Meath?
I predict that the conscience of some of their players will get in the way during their next match and they will be beaten.
Celebrations are usually short lived anyway. We are more concerned with defining history - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship - Job done, so it's on to the next challenge.
I'm sure Joe will score a spectacular (legitimate) goal before this championship season is out. A memorable one for all the right reasons.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 15, 2010, 11:34:06 PM
Despite 1996 I have never had much hostility towards Meath but it seems a lot of counties have it in for the Royals, even when they've done little wrong, as is the case here. Are Meath the Roscommon of Leinster?
Good question sniper. Are Louth the Mayo of Leinster? Hmmmm.... need to lose a few more finals first I suppose.
Quote from: ross matt on July 16, 2010, 01:21:27 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 15, 2010, 11:34:06 PM
Despite 1996 I have never had much hostility towards Meath but it seems a lot of counties have it in for the Royals, even when they've done little wrong, as is the case here. Are Meath the Roscommon of Leinster?
Are Louth the Mayo of Leinster?.
Mayo folk are placid by comparison. Last Sunday I'd say Louth were more like the Turks of Europe. ;D
A lad I know was driving back from the match last Sunday when he was stopped at a Garda checkpoint. Garda strolls over to the window checks tax, insurance etc and obviously noticed the colours being worn by the family and asks him to open the boot please. When the driver asks him why in a worried tone the Garda smiled and said we're looking for a stolen Leinster Championship :D :D :D
Quote from: Declan on July 16, 2010, 07:59:39 AM
A lad I know was driving back from the match last Sunday when he was stopped at a Garda checkpoint. Garda strolls over to the window checks tax, insurance etc and obviously noticed the colours being worn by the family and asks him to open the boot please. When the driver asks him why in a worried tone the Garda smiled and said we're looking for a stolen Leinster Championship :D :D :D
This sort of banter is priceless :D
Priceless banter in the Indo yesterday - what a laugh - Sludden was not good enough to ref one Div 1 game in the National League and had only refereeed one Ulster Championship game this year and hes given the Leinster Final - this really makes the GAA a laughing stock.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 15, 2010, 11:06:13 PM
Hardy - You called me a c**k in a previous thread, care to explain why? Did I cut a bit close to the bone or is just the thick ignorant Meath man trying to come out in you?
Ah you don’t seem a bad lad, really. But you were/are making a c**k of yourself and coming across as a bitter, twisted, envy-consumed obsessive with the tenor of your posts here. All juvenile cat-calling, nothing constructive or insightful to contribute. Like the Cavan equivalent of the Lithuanian farmer. You know – he’d rather his neighbour’s horse died than get a horse himself.
So much hate; so little to hate back.
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 15, 2010, 11:06:13 PM
Hardy - You called me a c**k in a previous thread, care to explain why? Did I cut a bit close to the bone or is just the thick ignorant Meath man trying to come out in you?
Ah you don't seem a bad lad, really. But you were/are making a c**k of yourself and coming across as a bitter, twisted, envy-consumed obsessive with the tenor of your posts here. All juvenile cat-calling, nothing constructive or insightful to contribute. Like the Cavan equivalent of the Lithuanian farmer. You know – he'd rather his neighbour's horse died than get a horse himself.
So much hate; so little to hate back.
hope there are no lithuanian farmers on the board
Quote from: zoyler on July 16, 2010, 10:27:24 AM
Priceless banter in the Indo yesterday - what a laugh - Sludden was not good enough to ref one Div 1 game in the National League and had only refereeed one Ulster Championship game this year and hes given the Leinster Final - this really makes the GAA a laughing stock.
If you are beat in the first round it is the same as being beat in the final. No championship game is any more important than another that's why they call it knockout.
Why would he defend the indefenseble. Zap appears to miss the point that such an inexperienced ref gets such a match
Quote from: zoyler on July 16, 2010, 11:56:48 AM
Why would he defend the indefenseble. Zap appears to miss the point that such an inexperienced ref gets such a match
No, I get it.
Just read the Harte article on line. Not a fan of his but agree with every word. Long term in regard to respect
Meath are the real loosers.
I think you might have meant losers. When you can spell your opinions we'll start to heed them.
Thanks for the correction -
Quote from: zoyler on July 16, 2010, 12:56:23 PM
Just read the Harte article on line. Not a fan of his but agree with every word. Long term in regard to respect
Meath are the real loosers.
Link?
t aint free to view I'm afraid - you need user name and pasword!
Quote from: Hardy on July 15, 2010, 12:24:10 PM
Just by way of diversion - did anyone see a big (about 20 ft. by 10 ft.) red-and white chequered banner on Sunday, with the words "No surrender to the <something>". It was hung over the front of the premium level, section 530 - i.e. just on the canal side of halfway, during the presentation ceremony. We were sitting in the Premium level, towards the back as about five fellas went down to the front and unfurled it. The <something> word was the only bit we didn't see. I assumed it was probably something political and the look of the people involved lent to that impression.
I couldn't see it on the TV coverage. It should have been visible all over the stadium apart from The Hogan Stand. Anyone?
have to say Hardy that you now might know from these mad accusations and daftness on this thread, what a nationalist/republican in the north feels like or felt like a number of years ago !
same kind of 'defence' needed for accusations and 'attacks' for which there are no reasons or substance to !!
Quote from: zoyler on July 16, 2010, 01:34:40 PM
t aint free to view I'm afraid - you need user name and pasword!
copy and paste?
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 15, 2010, 11:06:13 PM
Hardy - You called me a c**k in a previous thread, care to explain why? Did I cut a bit close to the bone or is just the thick ignorant Meath man trying to come out in you?
Ah you don't seem a bad lad, really. But you were/are making a c**k of yourself and coming across as a bitter, twisted, envy-consumed obsessive with the tenor of your posts here. All juvenile cat-calling, nothing constructive or insightful to contribute. Like the Cavan equivalent of the Lithuanian farmer. You know – he'd rather his neighbour's horse died than get a horse himself.
So much hate; so little to hate back.
Hate is a very strong word Hardy. I don't hate very much and I especially don't hate football teams. As for being constructive, there is nothing that needs to be said other than the facts. Shierdan lay on the line with the ball, threw it into the goals, flung a boot so that it would look like he kicked it. Seeing that there was a dispute about the "goal" and no doubt noticing the green flag had not been raised he ran to remonstrate with the ref insisting he have the goal marked down (even though he had to know it was not a goal). Those are the facts. The question is whether this action makes Shierdan a cheat. In my opinion yes.
The Meath county board had the opportunity to offer Louth a replay and to show everyone that they were a sporting county board. Meath had a chance to go back and win the match proper and have no doubt or cloud over their win. Instead they took the greedy, unsporting way out (unlike a sporting co board like say laois) and refused.
Were you similarly up in arms over Ray Cunninghams point in 97 Myles?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 15, 2010, 11:06:13 PM
Hardy - You called me a c**k in a previous thread, care to explain why? Did I cut a bit close to the bone or is just the thick ignorant Meath man trying to come out in you?
Ah you don't seem a bad lad, really. But you were/are making a c**k of yourself and coming across as a bitter, twisted, envy-consumed obsessive with the tenor of your posts here. All juvenile cat-calling, nothing constructive or insightful to contribute. Like the Cavan equivalent of the Lithuanian farmer. You know – he'd rather his neighbour's horse died than get a horse himself.
So much hate; so little to hate back.
As for being constructive, there is nothing that needs to be said other than the facts.
Exactly. That's why your obsessive Madam Defarge cackling was making you look like a c**k.
And your "facts" are, of course, like everybody else's posts here, merely opinions. Opinions I find laughable, as it happens, but that's opinions for you.
Looked at a copy & paste job but it wont work. Benny Tierney also blames Sluddens arrogance - a trait he says is common enough among major refs - in not consulting his umpires and ' Off the Fence' on Thursday also comes down heavily on Sludden and in favour of at least a replay. Totally agree with Myles - and don't hate Meath- I married one of them!
It seems the Louth fans can move on but everyone else that has suffered at our hands over the years is happy to continue grinding their axes for all they are worth.
Mickey Harte sticks his oar in.
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/harte-ire-with-royal-replay-2261529.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/harte-ire-with-royal-replay-2261529.html)
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 03:29:59 PM
It seems the Louth fans can move on but everyone else that has suffered at our hands over the years is happy to continue grinding their axes for all they are worth.
Exactly - I was just saying the same myself today. To be fair, it's only a few Cavan and Mayo stragglers that are hanging onto their holier-than-thou sanctimony.
I don't think I'll bother reading Mickey's piece. Let me guess - he wants us down on our knees saying the rosary?
Sludden getting any more high profile fixtures this summer ??? I doubt it
Clanger of the century from him, the pr@t Mickey Harte was right too, for once.
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 03:52:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 03:29:59 PM
It seems the Louth fans can move on but everyone else that has suffered at our hands over the years is happy to continue grinding their axes for all they are worth.
Exactly - I was just saying the same myself today. To be fair, it's only a few Cavan and Mayo stragglers that are hanging onto their holier-than-thou sanctimony.
I don't think I'll bother reading Mickey's piece. Let me guess - he wants us down on our knees saying the rosary?
Ah come on now Hardy i didn't see many mayo posters arguing with you and in fact i for one have stuck up for meath in this episode
So on the Sunday Game last week yer man Kevin McStay brought up the graphic to say that it is a foul to 'carry the ball over the line', and that it must be 'played' and thats fair enough. But whats the rule here in this video I found. Is this allowed?? The incident Im referring to happens around the 0.50 mark in this video. Laois lad has the ball in hand, Derry lad hits him a wee shoulder, he crosses the line, and this was given a goal. Should this have been dissallowed no?? Listen to the commentater too at that time, he clearly says hes bundled over the line.
Sorry, forgot to post the link in!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUJMdxq4Ac
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 16, 2010, 04:04:16 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 03:52:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 03:29:59 PM
It seems the Louth fans can move on but everyone else that has suffered at our hands over the years is happy to continue grinding their axes for all they are worth.
Exactly - I was just saying the same myself today. To be fair, it's only a few Cavan and Mayo stragglers that are hanging onto their holier-than-thou sanctimony.
I don't think I'll bother reading Mickey's piece. Let me guess - he wants us down on our knees saying the rosary?
Ah come on now Hardy i didn't see many mayo posters arguing with you and in fact i for one have stuck up for meath in this episode
Sorry Deel. You're right - not many - that's why I called them stragglers. I know you're a closet Meath fan.
Edit - I thought Zoyler was Mayo as well, but I could be wrong, so even fewer.
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 04:27:38 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 16, 2010, 04:04:16 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 03:52:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 03:29:59 PM
It seems the Louth fans can move on but everyone else that has suffered at our hands over the years is happy to continue grinding their axes for all they are worth.
Exactly - I was just saying the same myself today. To be fair, it's only a few Cavan and Mayo stragglers that are hanging onto their holier-than-thou sanctimony.
I don't think I'll bother reading Mickey's piece. Let me guess - he wants us down on our knees saying the rosary?
Ah come on now Hardy i didn't see many mayo posters arguing with you and in fact i for one have stuck up for meath in this episode
Sorry Deel. You're right - not many - that's why I called them stragglers. I know you're a closet Meath fan.Edit - I thought Zoyler was Mayo as well, but I could be wrong, so even fewer.
i feel ill :D
The never ending story continues. wish Harte would concentrate on final instead of sticking the nose in long after story finished. wonder would he be so kind to offer Armagh a replay in similar case....
Hardy - do me a favour and point out what I posted that was not a fact. The only opinion I posted was that Sheridan was a cheat. Jinxy - if the Cunningham point was wide he certainly didn't do it intentionally. Wasn't that the year meaths finest stoned cavan fans returning from croke. Real sporting boys alright.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Hardy - do me a favour and point out what I posted that was not a fact. The only opinion I posted was that Sheridan was a cheat. Jinxy - if the Cunningham point was wide he certainly didn't do it intentionally. Wasn't that the year meaths finest stoned cavan fans returning from croke. Real sporting boys alright.
http://www.anglocelt.ie/news/roundup/articles/2010/07/14/3998585-honest-joe--just-doing-what-any-forward-would-says-dad/
Honest Joe just doing what any forward would, says Dad
by Paul Fitzpatrick ANGLO CELT
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While the eyes of the sporting public - and beyond - have been fixed on the saga involving the unsavoury denouement to last Sunday's Leinster final between Louth and Meath, few have spared a thought for one of the men at the centre of the controversy, Joe Sheridan, a footballer with strong roots in Cavan.
The Senechalstown man carried the ball across the goal-line in the dying seconds of the final, denying Louth a first Leinster title in 53 years and has been harshly labelled as a 'cheat' in some quarters, a label Sheridan's father Damien, a native of Maghera, took issue with this week.
"Joe is the most honest player you will see, he has been fouled and taken a lot of abuse over the years and has never reacted to any of it in any shape or form. The ball was loose and he just reacted as any forward would, it was the last play of the match... No forward is going to stop and ask the ref should he play the ball. The word 'cheat' has been mentioned and there is no place for that at all.
"From Joe's point of view, the ball was there, two backs palmed it down to him and he grabbed it, he did swing a kick because he didn't know if he was even over the line or not.
"I've been involved in football for 40 years and there are loads of incidents like these. These things happen, every team has to get on with it."
Sheridan pointed out that the incident took place in the fifth minute of injury time when only three minutes of injury time had been signalled. It is thought that referee Martin Sludden played the additional time due to Louth's time wasting in injury time.
"Joe is a laid-back character and it takes a lot to get him annoyed but I'd say deep down it's bothering him a bit," said Damien. "He just plays the game and whether he wins Man of The Match or anything else, once it's over, it's over," he added.
Damien, who was a member of the last Cavan team to win an Ulster minor title in 1974, is a hugely popular figure in his native parish and a respected coach in Meath.
His father Eamon was chairman of the Breffni Minor Board, incidentally, on the year of that great win of 1974.
He roundly condemned the scenes witnessed at the end of the match, when referee Martin Sludden was jostled and had to be escorted from the field,
"The human condition is to err, nobody is perfect but no human being should have to put up with being accosted or assaulted on the pitch after a match," stated Sheridan, who condemned the alleged assault on Meath legend Sean Boylan and also mentioned an alleged assault on a 75-year-old Meath supporter.
Meath county board met last Monday night and discussed the matter of a replay after calls from Louth officials and manager Peter Fitzpatrick.
It's unfair, argued Sheridan, that Meath are being asked to make a decision in such a tricky case in which they themselves are involved
MYLES
Thought you be a pro Joe Sheridan man shor isnt he one of your county men
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Hardy - do me a favour and point out what I posted that was not a fact. The only opinion I posted was that Sheridan was a cheat. Jinxy - if the Cunningham point was wide he certainly didn't do it intentionally. Wasn't that the year meaths finest stoned cavan fans returning from croke. Real sporting boys alright.
More whataboutery!
:D :D
Quote from: demusicman on July 16, 2010, 05:36:26 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Hardy - do me a favour and point out what I posted that was not a fact. The only opinion I posted was that Sheridan was a cheat. Jinxy - if the Cunningham point was wide he certainly didn't do it intentionally. Wasn't that the year meaths finest stoned cavan fans returning from croke. Real sporting boys alright.
Honest Joe just doing what any forward would, says Dad
by Paul Fitzpatrick ANGLO CELT
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While the eyes of the sporting public - and beyond - have been fixed on the saga involving the unsavoury denouement to last Sunday's Leinster final between Louth and Meath, few have spared a thought for one of the men at the centre of the controversy, Joe Sheridan, a footballer with strong roots in Cavan.
The Senechalstown man carried the ball across the goal-line in the dying seconds of the final, denying Louth a first Leinster title in 53 years and has been harshly labelled as a 'cheat' in some quarters, a label Sheridan's father Damien, a native of Maghera, took issue with this week.
"Joe is the most honest player you will see, he has been fouled and taken a lot of abuse over the years and has never reacted to any of it in any shape or form. The ball was loose and he just reacted as any forward would, it was the last play of the match... No forward is going to stop and ask the ref should he play the ball. The word 'cheat' has been mentioned and there is no place for that at all.
"From Joe's point of view, the ball was there, two backs palmed it down to him and he grabbed it, he did swing a kick because he didn't know if he was even over the line or not.
"I've been involved in football for 40 years and there are loads of incidents like these. These things happen, every team has to get on with it."
Sheridan pointed out that the incident took place in the fifth minute of injury time when only three minutes of injury time had been signalled. It is thought that referee Martin Sludden played the additional time due to Louth's time wasting in injury time.
"Joe is a laid-back character and it takes a lot to get him annoyed but I'd say deep down it's bothering him a bit," said Damien. "He just plays the game and whether he wins Man of The Match or anything else, once it's over, it's over," he added.
Damien, who was a member of the last Cavan team to win an Ulster minor title in 1974, is a hugely popular figure in his native parish and a respected coach in Meath.
His father Eamon was chairman of the Breffni Minor Board, incidentally, on the year of that great win of 1974.
He roundly condemned the scenes witnessed at the end of the match, when referee Martin Sludden was jostled and had to be escorted from the field,
"The human condition is to err, nobody is perfect but no human being should have to put up with being accosted or assaulted on the pitch after a match," stated Sheridan, who condemned the alleged assault on Meath legend Sean Boylan and also mentioned an alleged assault on a 75-year-old Meath supporter.
Meath county board met last Monday night and discussed the matter of a replay after calls from Louth officials and manager Peter Fitzpatrick.
It's unfair, argued Sheridan, that Meath are being asked to make a decision in such a tricky case in which they themselves are involved
MYLES
Thought you be a pro Joe Sheridan man shor isnt he one of your county men
You thought wrong. I don't care where he or his dad are from.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Hardy - do me a favour and point out what I posted that was not a fact. The only opinion I posted was that Sheridan was a cheat. Jinxy - if the Cunningham point was wide he certainly didn't do it intentionally. Wasn't that the year meaths finest stoned cavan fans returning from croke. Real sporting boys alright.
More whataboutery!
:D :D
If you are going to use a term you should really understand what it means. By bringing Cunningham into it you were the one who started whataboutery
Frances Blacks Song-----ALL THE LIES THAT YOU TOLD ME comes to mind at the moment.
I wonder why? ;)
Quote from: EagleLord on July 16, 2010, 04:11:24 PM
So on the Sunday Game last week yer man Kevin McStay brought up the graphic to say that it is a foul to 'carry the ball over the line', and that it must be 'played' and thats fair enough. But whats the rule here in this video I found. Is this allowed?? The incident Im referring to happens around the 0.50 mark in this video. Laois lad has the ball in hand, Derry lad hits him a wee shoulder, he crosses the line, and this was given a goal. Should this have been dissallowed no?? Listen to the commentater too at that time, he clearly says hes bundled over the line.
Sorry, forgot to post the link in!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUJMdxq4Ac
Defender/keeper carries the ball over the line = goal
Attacker carries ball over the line = kick out
Them's the rules
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Hardy - do me a favour and point out what I posted that was not a fact. The only opinion I posted was that Sheridan was a cheat. Jinxy - if the Cunningham point was wide he certainly didn't do it intentionally. Wasn't that the year meaths finest stoned cavan fans returning from croke. Real sporting boys alright.
More whataboutery!
:D :D
If you are going to use a term you should really understand what it means. By bringing Cunningham into it you were the one who started whataboutery
Do you not think it's a valid comparison?
Neither score was legit.
Should Cavan have offered a replay, YES or NO?
A one word answer is all that's required Myles. ;)
Should be easy for a man who only deals in facts.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Hardy - do me a favour and point out what I posted that was not a fact. The only opinion I posted was that Sheridan was a cheat.
I have a better idea - I won't.
Analyse your posts for yourself if you're so bothered about what I think about you and see if you're comfortable with them as positive, constructive, dispassionate comment.
Better still, forget about them. I have. Root out some video of a Cavan win, put it on and enjoy it. That "enjoy" word is what the sport is supposed to be about and I promise you it's much more fulfilling than looking for opportunities to condemn people you've never met.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Hardy - do me a favour and point out what I posted that was not a fact. The only opinion I posted was that Sheridan was a cheat. Jinxy - if the Cunningham point was wide he certainly didn't do it intentionally. Wasn't that the year meaths finest stoned cavan fans returning from croke. Real sporting boys alright.
More whataboutery!
:D :D
If you are going to use a term you should really understand what it means. By bringing Cunningham into it you were the one who started whataboutery
Do you not think it's a valid comparison?
Neither score was legit.
Should Cavan have offered a replay, YES or NO?
A one word answer is all that's required Myles. ;)
No
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 06:43:38 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 16, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Hardy - do me a favour and point out what I posted that was not a fact. The only opinion I posted was that Sheridan was a cheat.
I have a better idea - I won't.
Analyse your posts for yourself if you're so bothered about what I think about you and see if you're comfortable with them as positive, constructive, dispassionate comment.
Better still, forget about them. I have. Root out some video of a Cavan win, put it on and enjoy it. That "enjoy" word is what the sport is supposed to be about and I promise you it's much more fulfilling than looking for opportunities to condemn people you've never met.
Not "Won't" Hardy, "Can't"
I'm sure the Louth people in Croke park enjoyed your teams robbery of their Leinster title. Sure you keep telling yourself all is well and in time you'll start to believe yourself.
btw - I condemn peoples actions, doesn't matter whether I met them or not. Do you have to meet people before you offer an opinion on them.
As I said - you work things out in whatever way makes you happy, but don't keep coming back to me for approval. Choose to celebrate the positive, enjoy the games, look for the affirmative or choose to wallow in self-righteousness and sanctimony, condemn people and call them names. Either way, don't bother me about it.
Has anyone brought up the fact that Sludden was given a 85% rating for his performance on Sunday?
As far as I understand the new system involves a panel of 4 grading each referee's performance in the championship. 85% = a "very good" rating, just 5% shy of "excellent".
He'll be back boys, indeed he will be back the same boyo.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 16, 2010, 07:16:12 PM
Has anyone brought up the fact Croke Park gave Sludden 85% rating for his performance on Sunday?
As far as I understand the new system involves a panel of 4 grading each referee's performance in the championship. 85% = a "very good" rating, just 5% shy of "excellent".
He'll be back boys, indeed he will be back the same boyo.
Where did you read this ?
Is it not the referees board who do the assessments anyway ?
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 16, 2010, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 16, 2010, 07:16:12 PM
Has anyone brought up the fact Croke Park gave Sludden 85% rating for his performance on Sunday?
As far as I understand the new system involves a panel of 4 grading each referee's performance in the championship. 85% = a "very good" rating, just 5% shy of "excellent".
He'll be back boys, indeed he will be back the same boyo.
Where did you read this ?
Is it not the referees board who do the assessments anyway ?
Was in today's GL. Well your probably right enough, isn't strictly accurate to say Croke Park. The four A-grade assessors are Mick McGrath, Brian Crowe, Frank McDonald and Michael Hughes.
Still, shocking enough. Shows how bad referees make it to the top.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 16, 2010, 07:16:12 PM
Has anyone brought up the fact Croke Park gave Sludden 85% rating for his performance on Sunday?
As far as I understand the new system involves a panel of 4 grading each referee's performance in the championship. 85% = a "very good" rating, just 5% shy of "excellent".
He'll be back boys, indeed he will be back the same boyo.
Don't think that is new. Was talking to a quite prominant ref there last year and he told me about that. They get feedback about how you didn't spot the pick of the ground in the 10th minute etc etc. Hard to believe Slodden got 85% cos he was cat the whole game. He gave a couple of "of the grounds" against Meath that were brutal. Maybe that is why eejits like him get games as the boys watching them are even worse eejits.
94 pages - some going. i was sick for louth, they were robbed of the leinster championship and there was never going to be any fixing of it. would i have done what sheridan did? absolutely. if i was from louth and i was standing near the ref at the end of it i wouldnt rule out decking him either. it would have been wrong but in the heat of the moment mad things happen that are later regretted.
for the many posters who said it wouldnt happen kerry/dublin etc, heres heartbreak and cheating (doyle was pushed) all in a few minutes on what would have been kerrys only 5 in a row
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YenPKDg8FKs&feature=related
Quote from: magickingdom on July 16, 2010, 07:47:06 PM
94 pages - some going. i was sick for louth, they were robbed of the leinster championship and there was never going to be any fixing of it. would i have done what sheridan did? absolutely. if i was from louth and i was standing near the ref at the end of it i wouldnt rule out decking him either. it would have been wrong but in the heat of the moment mad things happen that are later regretted.
for the many posters who said it wouldnt happen kerry/dublin etc, heres heartbreak and cheating (doyle was pushed) all in a few minutes on what would have been kerrys only 5 in a row
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YenPKDg8FKs&feature=related
The thing I most like about that goal was the lack of any whinging from the Kerry players.
Now back to today. A Kerry supporter genuinely thinks that a very very debatable missed push in the back call (the video evidence is inconclusive at best unlike this debate), straight after a missed penalty by Kerry amounts to the same level of daylight robbery as was handed out by the ref to Louth.
What this episode really shows is that for some reason we all desperately want to be the victims of terrible injustices. How else can you explain the suggestion that a team that won 4 All Ireland titles in a row were every bit the victim that Louth were last week?
wakey wakey muppet, last week was a leinster final with a back door for the losers, the 82 game was kerry going for their 5TH ALL IRELAND IN A ROW. no comparison
Quote from: magickingdom on July 16, 2010, 07:47:06 PM
94 pages - some going. i was sick for louth, they were robbed of the leinster championship and there was never going to be any fixing of it. would i have done what sheridan did? absolutely. if i was from louth and i was standing near the ref at the end of it i wouldnt rule out decking him either. it would have been wrong but in the heat of the moment mad things happen that are later regretted.
for the many posters who said it wouldnt happen kerry/dublin etc, heres heartbreak and cheating (doyle was pushed) all in a few minutes on what would have been kerrys only 5 in a row
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YenPKDg8FKs&feature=related
Yer a sad Kerry man.
Quote from: fearglasmor on July 16, 2010, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on July 16, 2010, 07:47:06 PM
94 pages - some going. i was sick for louth, they were robbed of the leinster championship and there was never going to be any fixing of it. would i have done what sheridan did? absolutely. if i was from louth and i was standing near the ref at the end of it i wouldnt rule out decking him either. it would have been wrong but in the heat of the moment mad things happen that are later regretted.
for the many posters who said it wouldnt happen kerry/dublin etc, heres heartbreak and cheating (doyle was pushed) all in a few minutes on what would have been kerrys only 5 in a row
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YenPKDg8FKs&feature=related
Yer a sad Kerry man.
no such thing
Quote from: magickingdom on July 16, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
wakey wakey muppet, last week was a leinster final with a back door for the losers, the 82 game was kerry going for their 5TH ALL IRELAND IN A ROW. no comparison
:D :D :D :D :D
Someone like you would never understand so there is just no point.
Quote from: small white mayoman on July 14, 2010, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 14, 2010, 08:53:24 AM
Gift Grub on Today FM was very funny this morning.
it was :D , "louth aid " the song was called seeing its the 25th anniversary of live aid
http://audioserver.todayfm.com/audio/breakfast/Gift_louthaid.mp3
here is gift grub from during the week thats if the link works
Quote from: small white mayoman on July 17, 2010, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: small white mayoman on July 14, 2010, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 14, 2010, 08:53:24 AM
Gift Grub on Today FM was very funny this morning.
it was :D , "louth aid " the song was called seeing its the 25th anniversary of live aid
http://audioserver.todayfm.com/audio/breakfast/Gift_louthaid.mp3
here is gift grub from during the week thats if the link works
:D
It's a bit crap actually. And it was injury time, not extra time.
funny stuff :D
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 16, 2010, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 04:27:38 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 16, 2010, 04:04:16 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 16, 2010, 03:52:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 03:29:59 PM
It seems the Louth fans can move on but everyone else that has suffered at our hands over the years is happy to continue grinding their axes for all they are worth.
Exactly - I was just saying the same myself today. To be fair, it's only a few Cavan and Mayo stragglers that are hanging onto their holier-than-thou sanctimony.
I don't think I'll bother reading Mickey's piece. Let me guess - he wants us down on our knees saying the rosary?
Ah come on now Hardy i didn't see many mayo posters arguing with you and in fact i for one have stuck up for meath in this episode
Sorry Deel. You're right - not many - that's why I called them stragglers. I know you're a closet Meath fan.Edit - I thought Zoyler was Mayo as well, but I could be wrong, so even fewer.
i feel ill :D
Thats like accusing someone of a heinous perfersion.
Just catching up on this thread now. Does anyone think Louth were hard done by Last Sunday?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 18, 2010, 11:35:54 AM
Just catching up on this thread now. Does anyone think Louth were hard done by Last Sunday?
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 17, 2010, 12:11:50 PM
It's a bit crap actually. And it was injury time, not extra time.
+1, lazy radio!
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 03:38:04 PM
Mickey Harte sticks his oar in.
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/harte-ire-with-royal-replay-2261529.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/harte-ire-with-royal-replay-2261529.html)
Mickey Harte preaching about sportsmanship ?? ha, ha...the auld bollix has a sense of humour I suppose. Sure he well knows that Tyrone are the biggest cheats in Gaelic football.
Mayo - Godhelpus - not me!! Pure Armagh though in exile in the west!
BTW very good article by O'Rourke yesterday which confirmed that there was general disquiet in various county team circles about Sludden - I think I refered to this earlier about concerns in Armagh prior to the Monaghan game - even though in the event he had little influence on that result!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 19, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2010, 03:38:04 PM
Mickey Harte sticks his oar in.
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/harte-ire-with-royal-replay-2261529.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/harte-ire-with-royal-replay-2261529.html)
Mickey Harte preaching about sportsmanship ?? ha, ha...the auld bollix has a sense of humour I suppose. Sure he well knows that Tyrone are the biggest cheats in Gaelic football.
(http://www.free-jokes-online.com/thumb/funny-animal-bird-fishing.jpg)
Quote from: zoyler on July 19, 2010, 07:38:50 PM
Mayo - Godhelpus - not me!! Pure Armagh though in exile in the west!
BTW very good article by O'Rourke yesterday which confirmed that there was general disquiet in various county team circles about Sludden - I think I refered to this earlier about concerns in Armagh prior to the Monaghan game - even though in the event he had little influence on that result!
I read O'Rourke's piece also. I had hoped to reproduce it here if an online version was available but, unfortunately, there isn't. I like O'Rourke. I seldom if ever agree with all of what he has to say but I feel he is always worth a read.
Yesterday was no exception. In fact, I had been looking forward to finding out what his reaction to the goal/ no goal incident was going to be. For my money at any rate, he gave a very comprehensive and well-balanced overview of proceedings until close to the very end where he crossed the line between fact and conjecture. That's not to say that I disagree with him; rather it is a case of me looking for proof where he tries to get by on assumption.
Take this for instance:
If it happened the other way around, would there have been any call for a replay?
If it happened against Dublin in Croke Park, would there be a replay? If Limerick got a goal in a similar way against Kerry in the Munster final and won by a point, would anyone, least of all Kerry, have said anything? Where does that leave 'justice for all'?He may well be right but, on the other hand, he could equally well be wrong.
I just don't know and neither does Colm O'Rourke.
Quote from: zoyler on July 19, 2010, 07:38:50 PM
Mayo - Godhelpus - not me!! Pure Armagh though in exile in the west!
BTW very good article by O'Rourke yesterday which confirmed that there was general disquiet in various county team circles about Sludden - I think I refered to this earlier about concerns in Armagh prior to the Monaghan game - even though in the event he had little influence on that result!
What did I do! ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2654Qdk-qk
Before this topic slips away may I sum up my feelings by singing this song----------
Lar - a column is just an opinion piece, the same as our ramblings here. I think you're setting the bar very high for all of us if we must prove every conjecture we make. However, my own conjecture is that it's as close to a fact as makes no difference that O'Rourke is right in the piece you quoted. Can you really, even deploying the imaginative powers of a Connacht mystic with a PhD in imagination, imagine a media campaign to award the match to Meath if the incident had happened at the other end? Go on. Really.
Here's O'Rourke's column:
18 July 2010Colm O'Rourke: Residue of bile and bitterness could easily have been avoided if our administrators did their jobs properly
The referee wasn't the only one who made bad decisions last week, writes Colm O'Rourke
If football brings out the best and worst in people, then last week would be a psychiatrist's dream in the study of human behaviour.
Bile, bitterness and recrimination were in abundance, much of it directed towards Meath, an easy target in the circumstances for those who don't go to football too often or who have no understanding of the process involved.
In my mind, and of course with the benefit of hindsight, Meath made one mistake. On Sunday evening, they should have told the Leinster Council the matter was nothing to do with them and that the Meath board would not be meeting to discuss it. Leinster Council should also have been told that Meath would accept whatever ruling it came up with.
By not doing this, Meath came under moral pressure to offer a replay to Louth. It was a no-win situation and allowed others in the GAA to abdicate their responsibility.
That pressure was really was ramped up on Monday evening when the referee's report, saying the goal should not have been allowed, was leaked to the media even before the two counties had received it. This was all highly irregular. There was no mention in this selective leak of the fact that the referee also said he was going to give a penalty if the ball had not crossed the line.
The two bodies which should have dealt with this whole affair are the Central Referees Appointments Committee, who appointed the referee, and the Leinster Council, who had control of the fixture. But both washed their hands of it on the basis that they could do no more. If they were showing proper leadership, they would have immediately acted on a flawed referee's report and taken the matter out of everyone else's hands.
And if the GAA say their hands are tied why don't they change the rules so the governing body can step in when exceptional circumstances like this arises? After all, this is not the first such incident by any means.
If the referee says the goal should not have stood, then in effect he was saying that Louth had won the game. By also suggesting that he only realised this after watching a replay of the incident, he acted outside the referee's brief on writing reports as they are supposed to be free of any outside influence. So here was a clear case of where the Leinster Council had a report which was fundamentally flawed, yet they chose to adopt the report and award the game to Meath.
It must be the most stupid thing in the world to award the match to a team on the basis of a referee's report where he is saying that the score for the game was not really the right score at all. Taking the referee's word on the score as gospel means that a referee could enter a wrong score and the governing body must follow it blindly.
So if Leinster Council was willing to be brave enough and, let's face it, do its job, it should have stated that the report was so materially damaged that it could not be bound by it. They then would have had two options -- award the game to Louth or order a replay. Instead, they hoped Meath would buckle under the pressure knowing full well the accompanying opprobrium that would stick if they did not bow to Joe Public and the Liveline brigade. How many of them even go to football matches?
Then there is the aforementioned appointments committee. I didn't hear a peep out of them, yet they appointed an incompetent referee to a major fixture, so the controversy had plenty to do with them. In fact, it is fair to say that there was great disquiet in Meath among those close the team when this appointment was announced. This was on the basis of a League match earlier in the year between Meath and Donegal when Martin Sludden was in charge and his performance, it was felt in Meath, was not up to standard. I saw him referee Down and Armagh in the League too and thought he was out of his depth. Yet the CRAC persisted and handed him one of the biggest games of the year.
Sludden made plenty of mistakes throughout the game, including a blatantly wrong decision against Nigel Crawford in the second half, an error which he then compounded by showing the Meathman a yellow card. It is ironic that while many of the close calls in the game went Louth's way -- the biggest, most contentious and, of course, absolutely wrong decision went against them.
Yet for all that, the thuggery this man had to face after the game was shameful. Imagine the shock and horror his family must have felt if they were watching on TV.
Which brings us nicely to a third body which has also sat idly by this past week, the Central Competitions Control Committee, better known as the CCCC. Has this committee any useful purpose, or is it merely there to keep manners on Kerry? Did they deliberate on some of the acts of indiscipline during and after the game? Is it any wonder that Kerry are getting a bit paranoid recently.
And so a game where Louth were the better team and should have won ended with a miscarriage of justice. The aftermath has seen a huge amount of bitterness and anger directed at Meath but Louth, and others, should be looking somewhere else. In many respects, if the whistle was blown sooner it would have been better for Meath. They would have moved on quietly to the qualifiers and left the field of celebration to those who were more deserving on the day. Now there is no satisfaction from the whirlwind which has followed.
And so after the match it was all back to Meath. There was a lot of opinion in the county last week about offering a replay. Some were not impressed by a few incidents after the match where at least two players and a very well known Meathman were assaulted. These incidents just hardened opinion to some extent.
Many, like myself, thought a replay was fair and equitable, while there were mixed views from players and management. They didn't cause the problem and everyone understands fully their position and the emotional turmoil they were experiencing. In many respects, the players on both sides were the victims.
If the same incident happened 24 years ago when I won my first Leinster medal, I probably would not have the same opinion as now. It is easy at this remove, and several Leinster titles later, to make a judgement on a replay. If it happened the other way around, would there have been any call for a replay? If it happened against Dublin in Croke Park, would there be a replay? If Limerick got a goal in a similar way against Kerry in the Munster final and won by a point, would anyone, least of all Kerry, have said anything? Where does that leave 'justice for all'?
In the end my views were based on the bigger picture. I think it is fair to say that Louth supporters were never particularly generous to Meath when Meath were successful. So there are other considerations, not just a Leinster final. There are things like personal friendships, club football, business, schools and a thousand other social contacts with neighbouring counties.
There are enough small-minded, petty, bitter people in this world without giving any more some perceived injustice to hang onto for decades to come. Football at this level is about serious competition, but also about harmony and co-operation when the games are over.
Now both teams must move on. They both have big games to look forward to. Players, management and officials from both sides have had to endure a great deal of stress in the last week and are maybe fed up with football. There is no enjoyment in what took place for anyone. The only certainty now is that the events of last week will benefit neither county for the rest of this championship.
- Colm O'Rourke
Sunday Independent
Colm is confused. He's all over the map. Louth were done, but Meath were done as well. He'd like to offer Louth a replay, but sure how could you when they've been less than generous to Meath over the years? And anyway, we shouldn't be asked. Would Limerick be asked?
I read that article on Sunday, twice, and still could not understand it. There is one thing that stands out in that article and it is this statement: "Some were not impressed by a few incidents after the match where at least two players and a very well known Meathman were assaulted".
Let us call a spade a spade here now. O'Rourke is referring to reports that Sean Boylan was struck in the stand, I am not saying he was or he wasn't on this board because I do not know, I only heard reports. I also heard reports and conspiricy theories that man did not land on the moon so, as a journalist O'Rourke should be ashamed of himself for making such a sweeping statement without naming the well know Meathman.
My spin on this all along has been what hapened on the pitch was handbags stuff, nobody died. Did O'Rourke or his journo pals ask the Gardai what Sludden was supposed to have said to them when they offered to escort him off the pitch? They should because it is unfair to Sludden if this is a rumour doing the rounds in the same way as it is unfair to every decent GAA man in Louth if the rumour about Sean Boylan is so strong a rumour that O'Rourke, his own mate, can not say his name or qualify what he is talking about.
Whatever about what happened on the pitch, if Sean Boylan was struck in the stand I would be absolutely disgusted because of what he has given to the GAA and whoever struck him would not do it when he was a younger man. But did it happen? All I am hearing and reading is articles like O'Rourkes that are all over the place that read like a mixture of Paudi O Se and Pat Spilane after being on the piss giving their views on the effects on local communities and the local business and schools and everything including how locals can not get to their pubs but fail to offer one ounce of balls by either naming those referred to or leaving it out.
Quote from: Hardy on July 20, 2010, 09:13:01 AM
Lar - a column is just an opinion piece, the same as our ramblings here. I think you're setting the bar very high for all of us if we must prove every conjecture we make. However, my own conjecture is that it's as close to a fact as makes no difference that O'Rourke is right in the piece you quoted. Can you really, even deploying the imaginative powers of a Connacht mystic with a PhD in imagination, imagine a media campaign to award the match to Meath if the incident had happened at the other end? Go on. Really.
Hiya, Hardy, nice to see diplomatic relations have been restored again.
(I better get this in fast before they break down once more.) ;D
As an unapologetic, unabashed and generally uninformed Mayo man, I never let facts get in the way of prejudice when I want to get involved in a row about anything.
At the same time, I'd like to think that I qualify whatever I say when I go on a solo run.
I don't think I'm setting the bar too high when I say I won't (always) accept conjecture as fact.
I like Colm O'Rourke as a GAA analyst. I don't necessarily agree with him on everything he has to say but I do think he usually presents a solid argument for anything he chooses to comment on.
I had no problem with anything he had to say until close to the very end.
In essence, he was saying if other counties had been involved, the result would have been different. In other words, poor Meath were hard done by.
If it happened the other way around, would there have been any call for a replay? If it happened against Dublin in Croke Park, would there be a replay?Bullshit! Okay; he is merely asking questions but it's obvious that he is looking for a negative answer. He gives no evidence whatever to support his view.
In the end my views were based on the bigger picture. I think it is fair to say that Louth supporters were never particularly generous to Meath when Meath were successful. So there are other considerations, not just a Leinster final.Double bullshit! IMO, there are no other considerations. If the roles were reversed and Meath were on the receiving end, I'd feel the same way as I do now.
I have no doubt that you sincerely think "
that it's as close to a fact as makes no difference that O'Rourke is right in the piece you quoted."But, in the same way as you can't dig half a hole, you can't pass off conjecture as fact.
Having said that, you could very well be right-who knows?
Now, you and I could spend the rest of our youth arguing quite happily on a low-traffic board but O'Rourke's rant was published in the premier Sunday paper in the land.
He has a duty to separate fact from personal opinion and to indicate clearly when he is conjecturing. He failed to do so last Sunday.
Can you really, even deploying the imaginative powers of a Connacht mystic with a PhD in imagination, imagine a media campaign to award the match to Meath if the incident had happened at the other end? Go on. Really.I certainly could and if there wasn't such a campaign, I would want to know why.
I'd disagree with Colm on where the onus on a reply lies. The GAA was in no position to order a replay - no sporting body could ever go down this road once the goal was awarded in open play and the final whistle was blown. The onus has and always will lie with the winning team, and Meath should have done the right thing and offered it. I don't know how many counties in the same position would have offered a replay, probably very few, but it has happened before and was still the right thing to do.
Lar, I wasn't aware diplomatic relations had been severed. The ambassador never even mentioned he'd been called in, never mind sent home.
I see our discussion along the lines of a John Wayne-type saloon fight where the only harm intended is a black eye or a busted lip and where the odd whiskey bottle broken over the even odder skull won't stop us buying each other pints when it's over, no matter who won.
Anyway, I wasn't asking you to accept conjecture as fact. What I didn't succeed in saying properly was that conjecture is speculation is opinion and I don't think even the omniscient O'Rourke expects anyone to take his opinion as fact.
I'm not here to defend his opinion (and I don't know what relevance he attaches to his remarks about historical relations between Wee people and Us people). I only wanted to say that I agree 100% with his conjecture that an illegal Louth goal at the other end of the field would have passed with barely a mention in the media and on the looneyphones. I accept your declaration that it would have outraged you; O'Rourke and I were merely speculating on how it would have played (or not) on Pat Kenny and Livewhine, not on where it would have ranked on the Lar Naparka scale of great sporting injustices.
Likewise, I have no doubt that the scale of public and media-assisted outrage at Results-We-Do-Not-Like is calibrated using the How-Long-Since-The-Victims-Won-Anything meter. As another example, I refer you to the widespread disgust at the temerity of Meath in winning the 1996 AIF.
No doubt you believe different. If you persist in such wrong-headed nonsense I have no alternative but to invite you to settle it like men. Bare skulls and whiskey bottles at dusk.
Quote from: Hardy on July 20, 2010, 09:59:41 AM
Here's O'Rourke's column:
In the end my views were based on the bigger picture. I think it is fair to say that Louth supporters were never particularly generous to Meath when Meath were successful. So there are other considerations, not just a Leinster final. There are things like personal friendships, club football, business, schools and a thousand other social contacts with neighbouring counties.
- Colm O'Rourke
Sunday Independent
Don't understand what he means by above in 'bold'.
I understand what he means. He means they relentlessly hated us.
What I don't understand is its relevance to the subject at hand.
Quote from: Hardy on July 20, 2010, 03:17:13 PM
I understand what he means. He means they relentlessly hated us.
What I don't understand is its relevance to the subject at hand.
A fierce generalisation too there Hardy. I'm sure plenty of Louth men cheered Meath's All Ireland, even if only a significant minority. Sure I hate (or at least used to hate) Meath too, and I even cheered yis against Cork one year.
And its not as if Meath ever asked for outside support or cared if they werent popular.
I wouldn't disagree with a word of that, Hound.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 20, 2010, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 20, 2010, 09:59:41 AM
Here's O'Rourke's column:
In the end my views were based on the bigger picture. I think it is fair to say that Louth supporters were never particularly generous to Meath when Meath were successful. So there are other considerations, not just a Leinster final. There are things like personal friendships, club football, business, schools and a thousand other social contacts with neighbouring counties.
- Colm O'Rourke
Sunday Independent
Don't understand what he means by above in 'bold'.
Does he mean, Louth supporters were never particularly generous (
in praise) to Meath when Meath were successful. So for this we were entitled not to offer a replay?
agree with you from the bunker, no relevance there.
Bud Can I just say not that it makes a difference anymore and I know Boylan made light of it, but I know one of his family and text them straight away that Sunday and he did get a slap and some of his kids were with him. awful stuff. anyway this is going on so so long now.....
Quote from: Hardy on July 20, 2010, 03:00:13 PM
Lar, I wasn't aware diplomatic relations had been severed. The ambassador never even mentioned he'd been called in, never mind sent home.
I see our discussion along the lines of a John Wayne-type saloon fight where the only harm intended is a black eye or a busted lip and where the odd whiskey bottle broken over the even odder skull won't stop us buying each other pints when it's over, no matter who won.
Anyway, I wasn't asking you to accept conjecture as fact. What I didn't succeed in saying properly was that conjecture is speculation is opinion and I don't think even the omniscient O'Rourke expects anyone to take his opinion as fact.
I'm not here to defend his opinion (and I don't know what relevance he attaches to his remarks about historical relations between Wee people and Us people). I only wanted to say that I agree 100% with his conjecture that an illegal Louth goal at the other end of the field would have passed with barely a mention in the media and on the looneyphones. I accept your declaration that it would have outraged you; O'Rourke and I were merely speculating on how it would have played (or not) on Pat Kenny and Livewhine, not on where it would have ranked on the Lar Naparka scale of great sporting injustices.
Likewise, I have no doubt that the scale of public and media-assisted outrage at Results-We-Do-Not-Like is calibrated using the How-Long-Since-The-Victims-Won-Anything meter. As another example, I refer you to the widespread disgust at the temerity of Meath in winning the 1996 AIF.
No doubt you believe different. If you persist in such wrong-headed nonsense I have no alternative but to invite you to settle it like men. Bare skulls and whiskey bottles at dusk.
Yer on, lad!
See you outside the Bective House or the Balreask anytime you like!
I (literally) never walked away from a row in any of them-or from the Robinstown Inn either. That's because I always drove, or was driven, home and was able to keep the row going with those who shared the car with me. ;D
Now, you may not have noticed that I have not said at any time that I either agreed or disagreed with your players' decision to hold on to the title. I certainly don't think that the onus should have been put on them to make the decision in the first place.
Sin scéal eile.I've no problem with O'Rourke giving his opinion on anything at any time but I would have expected him to avoid sweeping generalisations when he attempted to justify the Meath players' stance on the matter. At least I assume that was what he had in mind because, otherwise, it would have made no sense at all.
If Louth and the rest of civilisation relentlessly hate you, that's okay by me. You certainly earned this opprobrium the hard way. (Merely a case of IMO of course- but I damn well know I'm right!)
O'Rourke made no effort whatever to justify the players' stance based on the strict facts of the matter. "What if" and "how 'bout" is all we got from him and we got assloads of that.
Maybe your good self would care to oblige me?
What justification was there for the Meath players to reject a replay?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 20, 2010, 05:54:25 PM
What justification was there for the Meath players to reject a replay?
That's a very strange question, Lar. It's another "when did you stop beating your wife" one.
A fictitious example: What justification was there for Spike Milligan to refuse to pilot the Lunar Landing Module?
1. We don't know that he did, because he never said anything in public about it. All we have is statements and assumptions by third parties that he did. And plenty of speculation as to why he did. In fact, we don't even know whether he was asked.
2. Supposing he was asked, in what way was it a reasonable request? He had no competence whatever in the matter. It wasn't his decision, he wasn't qualified to make it and the very idea that he would be asked is ludicrous. For one thing, no comedian, before or since, has ever been asked to perform such a task.
3. Surely the real question is not "what justification was there for Spike to reject the request to be first man on the moon?", but "what justification was there for asking the Spike to be first man on the moon, at 24 hours' notice and with no training or competence in the matter?".
In the circumstances, if I were Spike, a two-word answer would be the most I would have offered.
I can't understand why anyone would even bother listen to O Rourke and his usual streams of crap. He talks it on the TV so I am sure he writes it in his columns equally as well. First off he is a totally biases Meath man - earlier this year he named the main competitors for Sam as Cork, Kerry, Tyrone and of course Meath!
Who can forget how he claimed Dooher was useless and if he played on a team that won the AI he'd eat his hat. Or what about his party-piece of claiming refs are too small!!
Louth were never nice to us???
If the boot was on the other foot???
All irrelevant bullshit. It was Meath who cheated, Meath who had the chance to do the right thing and Meath who didn't have the moral courage to do so.
On a related note, I heard that many of the older Meath players were in favour of offering a replay and the younger players against. Would that be why O Rourke is putting up these excuses and hypothetical nonsense. Following on the hypothetical argument, I wonder what he would think if his home county of Leitrim were done out of a long awaited Connaught title in similar circumstances?
Its all done and dusted now so pointless going on except to wish Louth good luck against the Dubs, I hope that gutting fiasco can be put behind them and they can play to their full potential.
Finally, if Boylan was hit in the crowd then the dirt bag that did it should be identified on TV cameras, prosecuted and never allowed into a GAA stadium again. There is no excuse for that sort of behavior and especially to man who gave so much to the GAA.
Quote from: Hardy on July 20, 2010, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 20, 2010, 05:54:25 PM
What justification was there for the Meath players to reject a replay?
That's a very strange question, Lar. It's another "when did you stop beating your wife" one.
A fictitious example: What justification was there for Spike Milligan to refuse to pilot the Lunar Landing Module?
1. We don't know that he did, because he never said anything in public about it. All we have is statements and assumptions by third parties that he did. And plenty of speculation as to why he did. In fact, we don't even know whether he was asked.
2. Supposing he was asked, in what way was it a reasonable request? He had no competence whatever in the matter. It wasn't his decision, he wasn't qualified to make it and the very idea that he would be asked is ludicrous. For one thing, no comedian, before or since, has ever been asked to perform such a task.
3. Surely the real question is not "what justification was there for Spike to reject the request to be first man on the moon?", but "what justification was there for asking the Spike to be first man on the moon, at 24 hours' notice and with no training or competence in the matter?".
In the circumstances, if I were Spike, a two-word answer would be the most I would have offered.
Touché, Hardy; I accept what you say in its entirety.
I don't know why I used the word, 'justification,' when I put the question to you. I had intended using the word, 'reason,' instead.
I don't think the players are obliged to defend their reason for rejecting a replay.
It seems they were asked a straightforward yes/no question and delivered an answer.
Okay, they are not obliged to give their reason or reasons for coming up with a no; much less defend the stance they took.
But in the absence of fact, rumours will abound. It may well be in the players' best interests to explain their reasoning and leave it at that. That may not deflect all the criticism that's coming their way now and will come for the foreseeable future but it may help to put an end to some of them at any rate.
The first such rumour I heard was that some of the Meath players were incensed at the reaction of a number of Louth players when they went to shake hands with them after the game had finished.
I just cannot imagine any Meath player getting upset by a bit of hand bagging, can you?
Next off the rumour mill was the suggestion that the players decided to hold on to the title because the ref had indicated that he would have given them a penalty if he had decided to disallow the goal.
If that was the real reason, they deserve all the abuse they got and will continue to get. (IMO, of course!)
There is no absolute guarantee that the spot kick would have resulted in a goal for one thing and it wouldn't lessen the controversy one bit if a goal had been scored. After all, there would still be Sludden's admission of a "terrible mistake" to contend with and add to that the video evidence of what had happened in the goalmouth that led to the penalty being awarded.
The next rumour to do the rounds was that the assaults on the ref by some Louth fans plus the attack on Sean Boylan were the real reasons for the replay being refused.
I honestly feel that the Meath players would never use the actions of as few hotheads as a reason to damn the entire county of Louth or any other one for that matter.
The latest and daftest so far is the one O'Rourke suggested:
I think it is fair to say that Louth supporters were never particularly generous to Meath when Meath were successful.Janey Mac, if that should turn out to be the real reason for the refusal; I can see Meath players being pelted with soothers and babies' bottles as long as the Boyne separates the counties—or until Meath players start to live up to their hard men image again.
In a nutshell, I feel that until the real reason(s) for the refusal come out, the taunting and jeering will continue.
The players were backed into a corner on this one and that should never have happened. But it did and they will have to live with the consequences. In fairness to them, there would have been trouble in store even if they agreed to a replay.
In the interests of damage limitation, I feel they should reveal their reason for taking the option they did and move on from there.
BTW; we can agree on one thing.
I'd give the same answer as you if I were in Spike's shoes.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 20, 2010, 11:27:27 PM
BTW; we can agree on one thing.
I'd give the same answer as you if I were in Spike's shoes.
Does that mean to say that you would give the same answer as Hardy if you were in Hardy's shoes in Spike's shoes ???
Lar, that's a very long way of saying the players should say why they didn't agree to a replay. I disagree. They weren't officially asked anything, so what are we discussing?
If they WERE asked, they shouldn't have been and should have answered "don't ask us - we have no function in GAA administration. We play the games, you administer the rules. We don't ask you to catch balls and score points. Don't ask us to adjudicate on match results or competition schedules. Give us a decision and we'll abide by it."
If they answered 'no', then in my opinion they gave the politically difficult and morally courageous answer. To have given any other answer would have been craven. What would you think of yourself if you gave the answer demanded of you just because a gun was put to your head?
The rumour mill is neither here nor there and I won't dignify it with comment other than to mention that if tradition is anything to go by, it ain't going to bother players or supporters but will work to our advantage. We're back where we're comfortable.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 20, 2010, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 20, 2010, 11:27:27 PM
BTW; we can agree on one thing.
I'd give the same answer as you if I were in Spike's shoes.
Does that mean to say that you would give the same answer as Hardy if you were in Hardy's shoes in Spike's shoes ???
No. It means what I want it to mean.
in fact, it is the answer I 'd give to Spike if he came looking for his shoes. ;D
Louth should NOT have gotten a replay. They won the game fair and square. End of. Joe Sheridan behaved so badly by claiming the goal was a legitimate goal.
Quote from: meathie on July 20, 2010, 04:29:20 PM
agree with you from the bunker, no relevance there.
Bud Can I just say not that it makes a difference anymore and I know Boylan made light of it, but I know one of his family and text them straight away that Sunday and he did get a slap and some of his kids were with him. awful stuff. anyway this is going on so so long now.....
Bad scene all the same. What age is Sean Boylan now?
EDIT: It's OK, I got his age. Jeez, born 1959, 23 years managing Meath before he retired and was manager going as far back as an O'Byrne Cup win in 1983. The reason I was asking was because you said some of his kids were with him, you know, Ah for Gods sake mind the childer and I was picturing them at three and four under his feet and them in danger of being walked on. I hope that was not the case. Some of these things can be blown out of proportion but I don't know what age his 'kids' are. I was at a Leinster Final one day and in the Hogan stand he came in and sat down behind me and a witty Dub said, "good man Sean, welcome to your second last day in Croke Park this year" and I forget what he said but the reply was instant and twice as wiity and he added a great bit of craic to the occasion and then just sat down. A gentleman.
Seán is 66. He was married in 1990 at the age of 46. His youngest kids are quite young. Not that the presence or absence of his kids has any bearing on whether some gouger should give him a thump (as reports have it) or engage in a bit of "nothin" (as Seán put it).
What the Meath players and County Board SHOULD have done is issue a statement along the following lines:
"The Meath County Board, after consultation with the team, have no comment on the Leinster Football Final. As always, we will abide by any instructions given to us from the Leinster Council, who remain the sole decision-makers regarding games under their jurisdiction".
That would be a nice hand-pass back to the relevant authority.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 21, 2010, 10:03:49 AM
What the Meath players and County Board SHOULD have done is issue a statement along the following lines:
"The Meath County Board, after consultation with the team, have no comment on the Leinster Football Final. As always, we will abide by any instructions given to us from the Leinster Council, who remain the sole decision-makers regarding games under their jurisdiction".
That would be a nice hand-pass back to the relevant authority.
Never thought we'd see the day that Meath would hide behind the rule book. They knew that the GAA hands were tied on this one.
dont think they would know where the rule book is
Quote from: Hardy on July 21, 2010, 09:03:21 AM
Seán is 66. He was married in 1990 at the age of 46. His youngest kids are quite young.
If you see him will you get a few of those herbs of him for me and I will collect them off you in Iona House pub before the Louth/Kildare AIF?
QuoteIf you see him will you get a few of those herbs of him for me and I will collect them off you in Iona House pub before the Louth/Kildare AIF?
I think you're already on the herbs!!!!
Quote from: Bud Wiser on July 21, 2010, 10:16:28 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 21, 2010, 09:03:21 AM
Seán is 66. He was married in 1990 at the age of 46. His youngest kids are quite young.
If you see him will you get a few of those herbs of him for me and I will collect them off you in Iona House pub before the Louth/Kildare AIF?
It's a deal, but can it be the Brian Boru?
And Kildare in the AIF? :D :D :D
if its a louth/kildare final it wont be Iona House you will be meeeting him, it will be Lourdes
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2010, 10:37:07 AM
You hoors are determined to make 100 pages.
Don't be silly.
Jinxy, couldn't agree more ... what a waste ::)
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2010, 10:37:07 AM
You hoors are determined to make 100 pages.
Not a chance...you'd need posts that add nothing, give no opinion, and generally just take up space.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 21, 2010, 11:40:25 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2010, 10:37:07 AM
You hoors are determined to make 100 pages.
Not a chance...you'd need posts that add nothing, give no opinion, and generally just take up space.
Yeah
I agree with Stephenite
Your welcome old bean
Such as?
This.
See? Was right all along.
For once in my life.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 21, 2010, 12:41:36 PM
See? Was right all along.
For once in my life.
I'm sure it wasn't the first time Hoppy
Hiya, Hardy. It's me again!
Lar, that's a very long way of saying the players should say why they didn't agree to a replay. I disagree. They weren't officially asked anything, so what are we discussing?
When I slip into bullsugar mode, I'm afraid I find it hard to apply the brakes.
But I felt I had a need to explain my case in depth to avoid the possibility of misunderstandings. Unfortunately, I was expecting you to disagree with me.
They weren't officially asked anything but there were asked something all the same.
We are discussing the consequences arising from that decision—or so I think.
If they WERE asked, they shouldn't have been and should have answered "don't ask us - we have no function in GAA administration. We play the games, you administer the rules. We don't ask you to catch balls and score points. Don't ask us to adjudicate on match results or competition schedules. Give us a decision and we'll abide by it."
But they were asked, albeit unofficially, and they should have given the same answer as you to their county board but they didn't and anyway, that's very much past tense now.
If they answered 'no', then in my opinion they gave the politically difficult and morally courageous answer. To have given any other answer would have been craven. What would you think of yourself if you gave the answer demanded of you just because a gun was put to your head?
If they had agreed to a replay on the evening of the game, their response would have been applauded by the vast majority of the public at large; including, I'd suggest, a considerable number of their own Meath fans.
On the other hand, if they had answered 'no' because they felt they should not have been asked to make the decision in the first place or if they had quoted precedent, I feel most people would respect their decision. Most would probably disagree with them but would have respected their decision all the same.
The rumour mill is neither here nor there and I won't dignify it with comment other than to mention that if tradition is anything to go by, it ain't going to bother players or supporters but will work to our advantage. Were back where we're comfortable.
With due respect, I think the rumour mill can't be ignored. Your players live in the real world and aren't shielded by security guards and publicity agents. The fact that those who phoned Joe Duffy and his likes were OTT in their comments and questions doesn't mean that what they had to say has no validity. Joe Sheridan will be asked, many times in the future, to match his TV comments after the game with the video evidence of what actually went in the goalmouth.
I've e said before that was very unwise to have let a microphone near any player or official in the aftermath of the game. What any of them, Joe included, would have said when the testosterone levels had subsided somewhat might have been more considered than what was said in the heat of the moment.
It's a pity that you feel the need to retreat into Fortress Meath once more. I can't see your tradition working in your favour this time. For one thing, all the incidents that created this tradition happened on the field of play. There was never ever a suggestion that Meath weren't prepared to stand up to anybody or couldn't take what they were wont to give.
Media coverage was nowhere near as intrusive as it is now and oul bags phoning in to Joe Duffy weren't heard of back then. It's not a case of Micheal O'Hehir alluding briefly to "a shemozzle in the goalmouth" anymore. This one is gonna run and run for a long time thanks to TSG, YouTube and modern recording technology. You can throw saturation newspaper coverage, Internet forums and blogs and Uncle Tom Cobley and all.
I am not being judgemental here. I have lots of sympathy for modern day IC players everywhere. I think they are being subjected to far too much pressure from many quarters to give more and more commitment to a game they love to play and still remain amateurs. Meath players are no exception.
Has Joe Sheridan ever said anything publicly about that 'goal' apart from in the immediate aftermath of the game. He gets quoted a lot, but I think it's all from that same interview under the Hogan Stand. I think people are assuming an awful lot about whether he still thinks it was a 'perfect' goal or not.
Is there a prize for the poster posting who brings up the hundreth page?
By the Way it looks like your man O'Neill has tied up the Louth vote in the next presidential election
Quote from: zoyler on July 21, 2010, 02:01:19 PM
Is there a prize for the poster posting who brings up the hundreth page?
By the Way it looks like your man O'Neill has tied up the Louth vote in the next presidential election
is it me ?
guess not
I saw that, but it's all empty rhetoric out of him. This sentence summed it up. He acknowledges that you couldn't legislate for what happened in the current rule book, but he says..
'Even though it would be outside our authority, we should be able to do something'.
Talk about horseshit and pandering to the Whingeline crew. What is 'something'? How would you do it? Would it be shot down in 30 seconds by the DRA if Meath appealed? Cop on.
I do agree with him about the Monday morning disciplinery committee, and I've advocated that here for a good while.
darn it
If it reaches 100, I'll blame Bud anyway. He interjected a whole few pages of madness there a while ago :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 21, 2010, 02:06:06 PM
If it reaches 100, I'll blame Bud anyway. He interjected a whole few pages of madness there a while ago :)
true very true
almost there
Come on Nally....swoop in for 100!!!!!!!!!!
damn it!
Two more posts. :D
Or maybe just one?
Yeah probably just one
It should go to 200
Well done Nally Stand! ;D I didn't want to claim all the rights. But this Lar v HArdy is enthralling stuff. Keep her lit guys.
Did some just delete my post for the 100th page, very harsh mod >:(
;D
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 21, 2010, 02:40:48 PM
Did some just delete my post for the 100th page, very harsh mod >:(
So basically what you are saying is that you had the game practically won when a moderator/referee ruled against you and you were denied your rightful victory??
Sound familiar??
That would make me Joe Sheridan in all this. I DID NOT THROW THE BALL OVER THE 100 PAGE LINE
Yea but Post was disallowed, I demand a replay >:(
Lar, I'm not being facetious or disparaging, but stating a fact when I say I can't distil your substantive point from your entertaining and thoughtful contributions. Is your case simply that the Meath players are going to get a lot of stick for some time to come? If so, I agree with you. But so what? As I said, it wouldn't be the first time and I honestly think it will, or at least could be a positive motivating factor in giving a team that's been knocking unconvincingly on the door for a while the impetus to kick the fuckin thing down. And it will galvanise the supporters as well. Again, as I said, we're perverse enough to enjoy our victories ten times more when we know they annoy so many people.
Wait'll you hear the roar that greets the team when they run out for the QF.
Jaysus Hardy and Lar.
Reading ye is a blast from a more civilised, entertaining time. As you said, like a fight where everyone shakes hands and buys a drink afterwards.
Ye Olde Internyt Dyscussione Borde.
Quote from: Hardy on July 21, 2010, 02:56:39 PM
Wait'll you hear the roar that greets the team when they run out for the QF.
Will it be any use though ? Another failure on a bigger day and will all the shenanigans over the Leinster Final be any use ?
A bit like Waterford over the last few years. I am a bit worried that Meath are in the same boat. An improvement on previous years but not enough to make it past the oligopoly. Ollie anybody really.
In the midst of the race to 100, nobody answered my question re. Joe Sheridan. Has he given an interview since the one under the Hogan Stand? If not, he's getting an awful caning for something said in the heat of the moment nearly 2 weeks ago.
Quote from: seafoid on July 21, 2010, 03:00:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 21, 2010, 02:56:39 PM
Wait'll you hear the roar that greets the team when they run out for the QF.
Will it be any use though ? Another failure on a bigger day and will all the shenanigans over the Leinster Final be any use ?
A bit like Waterford over the last few years. I am a bit worried that Meath are in the same boat. An improvement on previous years but not enough to make it past the oligopoly. Ollie anybody really.
I dunno, Seafoid. I'm only saying that the whole circus will motivate the team and the supporters. I'm not confident it will raise us to the level of the Kerrys, Corks and Louths of the Championship.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 21, 2010, 03:04:39 PM
In the midst of the race to 100, nobody answered my question re. Joe Sheridan. Has he given an interview since the one under the Hogan Stand? If not, he's getting an awful caning for something said in the heat of the moment nearly 2 weeks ago.
AZ, I dunno about that either, but I don't think so. Doesn't matter, of course. To people who have decided to hate him, he's the spawn of Satan. And he doesn't even have a career as a fashion correspondent to compensate him.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 21, 2010, 03:00:15 PM
Jaysus Hardy and Lar.
Reading ye is a blast from a more civilised, entertaining time. As you said, like a fight where everyone shakes hands and buys a drink afterwards.
Ye Olde Internyt Dyscussione Borde.
Well, thank you very much, AZO.
I'd like to think we've been having a conventional debate; argumentative in the proper sense of the word but never quarrelsome in any way.
That's what I mean Lar. You haven't called each other a c**k, C**t, or stupid hoor since it started. Some others might take note that disagreements don't have to be abusive.
Quote from: Hardy on July 21, 2010, 03:05:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 21, 2010, 03:00:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 21, 2010, 02:56:39 PM
Wait'll you hear the roar that greets the team when they run out for the QF.
Will it be any use though ? Another failure on a bigger day and will all the shenanigans over the Leinster Final be any use ?
A bit like Waterford over the last few years. I am a bit worried that Meath are in the same boat. An improvement on previous years but not enough to make it past the oligopoly. Ollie anybody really.
I dunno, Seafoid. I'm only saying that the whole circus will motivate the team and the supporters. I'm not confident it will raise us to the level of the Kerrys, Corks and Louths of the Championship.
Do you ever get nostalgic about the Sean Boylan years ?
Give me men who have a future and women who have a past.
Great thread.
I cant decde who to agree with here, so I am going to have to go with Lardy.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2010, 05:59:51 PM
Great thread.
It's getting a bit old at this stage, it needs Louth and Meath to have a huge scrap in the Semi with the wrong players sent-off the reinvigorate it.
Who asked you?
I hope someone has said what a great catch was made at the edge of the square to start it off and what a great block in the middle of it.
I think Martin S will be back in 2011 on the eliite panel.
It would have been a great goal if Paddy Keenan didn't get in the way.
Technically, it's all his fault.
Robert de Niro is making a new film about the leinster final its called "Meath the Fockers"
Tyrone referee Martin Sludden's return on back burner as he misses out on All Ireland qualifiers
Martin Sludden's return to the big time has been put on hold.
The Tyrone referee, who made the headlines for all the wrong reasons in the Meath and Louth Leinster football final earlier this month, will be idle this weekend when the four remaining All Ireland qualifiers go ahead.
The word on the grapevine was that the Dromore man would be chosen to referee the Down and Sligo match in Kingspan Breffni Park.
But that proved to be somewhat wide of the mark.
When I contacted Sludden yesterday, he was reluctant to comment on what the future might hold.
But there was no disguising his frustration and disappointment stemming from the Leinster final debacle when his decision to allow Meath's injury time winning goal saw him inexcusably assaulted by Louth supporters at the finish.
And yet you sense his self-belief remains firmly intact and that his return to the big time has been merely deferred.
In fairness to him, he eventually held up his hands and admitted his mistake in allowing the Meath goal.
But the damage was self-inflicted, for there would never have been a problem had Sludden been big enough to have consulted his two umpires.
These two men were his regular umpires who had served him well in the past and yet when it came to the biggest decision he had to make all afternoon he chose to ignore them.
The fact that neither of the umpires had raised the green flag should have alerted Sludden to the fact something was wrong.
A photograph in a newspaper the following day clearly showed one umpire with his hand outstretched indicating there was a problem.
In such a scenario the referee should have consulted with both umpires before making a decision.
It's all too easily forgotten by the vast majority of GAA supporters that the umpires' main role is to signal wides and scores.
They can also report to the referee on an aggressive incident, leaving the referee to take the appropriate action.
But only the referee can adjudicate on a 'square ball'.
Former All Ireland referee John Gough, now a respected assessor, is strongly opposed to having inter-county referees as umpires.
"We now have a referee and two referees running the line and as things stand the referee has four trustworthy guys who, if they don't perform, he's the real loser.
"He's operating with those same guys all the time and they work as a unit," he said.
Gough, who doesn't suffer fools gladly, was less than impressed with the standard of refereeing in the recent World Cup.
"If you watched the World Cup and registered the amount of mistakes recorded by professional referees who were doing the line as well as the professional referee in charge of games, we're doing very well by comparison," he said.
"I don't care how the GAA does it or who they appoint, but at some stage there are going to be mistakes.
"Players, managers and officials all make mistakes and umpires too are only human."
What happened to page 100 & 101, somehow I have ended up as the first poster on page 100.
Now my post look ironic, who is fcking with the thread.
Quote from: hardstation on July 22, 2010, 12:12:27 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 22, 2010, 12:09:22 AM
What happened to page 100 & 101, somehow I have ended up as the first poster on page 100.
I can only assume that some poster has deleted previous posts in an attempt to make himself the first poster on page 100.
Was it you?
No, but they must have deleted a rake to do it and they did a crap job. I though someone said something dodgy and I missed it.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 22, 2010, 12:09:22 AM
What happened to page 100 & 101, somehow I have ended up as the first poster on page 100.
Now my post look ironic, who is fcking with the thread.
Hoi! Don't you start looking at me, mister!
He did it; not me. Right?
Quote from: Hardy on July 21, 2010, 02:56:39 PM
Lar, I'm not being facetious or disparaging, but stating a fact when I say I can't distil your substantive point from your entertaining and thoughtful contributions. Is your case simply that the Meath players are going to get a lot of stick for some time to come? If so, I agree with you. But so what? As I said, it wouldn't be the first time and I honestly think it will, or at least could be a positive motivating factor in giving a team that's been knocking unconvincingly on the door for a while the impetus to kick the fuckin thing down. And it will galvanise the supporters as well. Again, as I said, we're perverse enough to enjoy our victories ten times more when we know they annoy so many people.
Wait'll you hear the roar that greets the team when they run out for the QF.
In turn, I have found your contributions to be well worth a read at any time. I accept what you say about mine as true praise from the master. No sarcasm intended here or elsewhere, btw.
However, as all things must come to an end or so 'tis said, I feel our present discussion has run its course and it may be best to await future developments on the field of play—or anywhere else for that matter.
Having said that, I've no problem with keeping her lit if you have anything to discuss, debate or debunk.
Like the feast of Easter or the goals in front of a Mayo forward, my substantive point(s) have moved from post to post as the subject matter changed. I think our present discussion began when I posted my reaction to Colm O'Rourke's column on Sunday last. I rate him highly as an analyst and commentator but in this instance he was going a hypothesis or six too far when he posed a sequence of loaded questions.
If it happened the other way around, would there have been any call for a replay? If it happened against Dublin in Croke Park, would there be a replay?
I really don't want to rehash old arguments as I've quoted this pair of them before but my substantive point is stressed in my reaction to them and the other related ones.
"Bullshit" was, and still is, my reaction. I guess I was thinking of the old saying, "Nearly never bulled a cow."
If Colm wanted a 'no' answer from me, he'd need first to come up with some hard evidence. My substantive point then and now is that I see no evidence of an anti-Meath campaign anywhere; either in the media in general or from the public at large.
I never said at any time that Meath deserve a bashing but it seems that plenty of others feel they do. Again, and it's pure conjecture of course, I feel your shower have gone out of their way to draw controversy down on themselves at every opportunity but I'd never state that as a fact.
I don't accept that all the media and general public backlash can be put down to a prevailing anti-Meath sentiment. Maybe a lot of commentators are reacting to what they've seen and heard and reacting accordingly.
My concern for Joe Sheridan's welfare is genuine alright but it is not my main concern. He's a consenting adult and the same goes for all others on the Meath side of the barricade. AZO made a good point in one of his posts that caught my eye but that all others here seem to have missed:
In the midst of the race to 100, nobody answered my question re. Joe Sheridan. Has he given an interview since the one under the Hogan Stand? If not, he's getting an awful caning for something said in the heat of the moment nearly 2 weeks ago.
Joe is an honest victim of circumstance and I'd feel the same if he played for any other county in the land. But he did 'score' that goal and he did make that statement and he has to accept whatever consequences may follow. That's up to him.
I sincerely wish him well.
PS. If we ever meet at the Last Chance(r) Saloon, I'll opt for feather dusters, if you don't mind. I wouldn't stand a chance if it came to head butting and that's for sure.
So is there going to be a replay or what?
Louth DID win a Leinster title that fateful weekend... towards the end here Voureen Quigley explains... http://vimeo.com/13733657//
3 to face criminal charges. They can have few complaints.
From www.bbc.co.uk/ni
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Fans facing charges after Leinster final incidents
The Irish police has completed its investigation into the scenes that marred last year's Leinster football final between Meath and Louth.
Tyrone referee Martin Sludden was attacked by a number of Louth fans after he awarded Meath a controversial late goal which ensured their victory.
The Irish DPP is understood to have recommended that up to three people should face charges.
Louth were making their first Leinster appearance in 50 years.
Sludden had awarded Meath a goal deep into injury-time which gave the Royal County a 1-12 to 1-10 victory.
TV replays showed that the score should have been disallowed as Meath's Joe Sheridan threw the ball over the line.
Sludden was struck at least three times by different Louth fans as he attempted to make his way off the field.
One Garda attempted to escort Sludden off the field but the protection proved woefully inadequate.
Louth players and fans were infuriated by Sludden's decision, which came after the referee consulted with his umpires.
For the week that is in it can we leave sleeping dogs lie? It is at times like this that people should put things into perspective! A far more grievous injustice was carried out on a Tyrone woman this week, that makes any actions taken on the 11th July last year pale in comparison.
Lock this thread or just don't post on it until that poor woman is laid to rest and if you all want to bring out your vitriol after that then do so! This is not a week for GAA folk to be arguing!
Are you serious?
There is no doubting that Micheala McAreavey's death was a terrible tragedy, indeed probably one of the darkest days in the GAA's history but are you really suggesting that we shouldn't be allowed to discuss anything else?
Quote from: Franko on January 12, 2011, 02:24:10 PM
Are you serious?
There is no doubting that Micheala McAreavey's death was a terrible tragedy, indeed probably one of the darkest days in the GAA's history but are you really suggesting that we shouldn't be allowed to discuss anything else?
No I am not.
Just something as contentious and provocative as this! This thread ran on for 100 for a reason. You already have unsavoury comments posted. Maybe its that I just don't have the heart to argue with Meath men at the moment, or make comments on the actions of the referree. I've said my piece I'll leave it at that, say what you want!
Ah that's oul nonsense LE. I've no interest in this thread at this stage but lads should be able to discuss all things GAA on this forum without fear of reprimand
These idiots deserve to be charged, but the biggest culprit gets away scot free.
lets be realistic here.....and show some common sense
what happened to the ref was brought upon himself.....and what he received was not warranted but you'd see far worse on a saturday night about the town
to charge them for a bump and a grind is reidiculous
Quote from: mattockranger on January 12, 2011, 06:57:05 PM
lets be realistic here.....and show some common sense
what happened to the ref was brought upon himself.....and what he received was not warranted but you'd see far worse on a saturday night about the town
to charge them for a bump and a grind is reidiculous
And that makes it ok? It was thuggish behaviour and the message has to be sent out - it should not be tolerated.
Yes I firmly believe this is the case
If you were charged for it out on the town you'd cry false imprisonment....
there wasn't one strike enforced on the man....it was a highly emotional charged moment and they still had the sense not to strike him that tells you something
common sense needs to be applied
Quote from: mattockranger on January 12, 2011, 07:10:17 PM
Yes I firmly believe this is the case
If you were charged for it out on the town you'd cry false imprisonment....
there wasn't one strike enforced on the man....it was a highly emotional charged moment and they still had the sense not to strike him that tells you something
common sense needs to be applied
Its a common assault, rightly punishable by law.
Are they violent merciless thugs who pose a real risk to society? Probably not.
Is it fair that if Martin Sludden wishes to press charges then they should be held accountable for their deplorable actions on the day in question? Absolutely
Thats after proving my point about people using some common sense
literally to the letter of law 'the offences against the Person act 1981' it was assault
but the moment that was in it and the fact the man was not seriously hurt people need to take a step back
because if not political correctness will get out of hand
Grand - just what we need - send a public message to thugs and lunatics alike that it's fine to invade the pitch and attack the referee.
Some of the stuff people are capable of believing is mind-boggling.
Fair enough Hardy.... but... when will the GAA send out message to Referees who don't know the rules?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2011, 08:49:42 PM
Fair enough Hardy.... but... when will the GAA send out message to Referees who don't know the rules?
Done expect an answer to that any time soon.
Good to hear the louts have been identified.
I'd imagine the culprits are feeling rightly ashamed already.
If it was in the North they'd get cautions provided that they admit the offence and have clear records. I presume the South have a similar system?
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 12, 2011, 10:31:51 PM
I'd imagine Mr Sludden is feeling rightly ashamed already.
;)
Hope the 3 of them get off lightly, best of luck to them.
Quote from: hardstation on January 12, 2011, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on January 12, 2011, 11:14:27 PM
Hope the 3 of them get off lightly, best of luck to them.
What?
here here
common sense approach
get off your high horse hardstation
Quote from: mattockranger on January 13, 2011, 05:35:18 PM
get off your high horse hardstation
Someone would need to pick him up out of the gutter before he gets near a high horse.
Quote from: hardstation on January 14, 2011, 07:58:46 AM
I don't support the physical abuse of referees, unlike you lot.
+1
Quote from: hardstation on January 14, 2011, 07:58:46 AM
I don't support the physical abuse of referees, unlike you lot.
But you support cheating? Sludden cheated us out of a Leinster title, he should be in court.
Some Louth supporters let themselves and the county down badly, but to punish them and allow both the referee and the GAA off scot free is ridiculous.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 14, 2011, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 14, 2011, 07:58:46 AM
I don't support the physical abuse of referees, unlike you lot.
But you support cheating? Sludden cheated us out of a Leinster title, he should be in court.
Some Louth supporters let themselves and the county down badly, but to punish them and allow both the referee and the GAA off scot free is ridiculous.
Don't be ridiculous
It would help if Provincial Councils appointed only the top refs to handle their Provincial Finals - something the Leinster and Munster Councils certainly didnt do in 2010.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 14, 2011, 02:56:40 PM
It would help if Provincial Councils appointed only the top refs to handle their Provincial Finals - something the Leinster and Munster Councils certainly didnt do in 2010.
TBH Connacht appointed Seamus Prior for loads of Finals so it's nothing new.
Quote from: ross4life on January 14, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 14, 2011, 02:56:40 PM
It would help if Provincial Councils appointed only the top refs to handle their Provincial Finals - something the Leinster and Munster Councils certainly didnt do in 2010.
TBH Connacht appointed Seamus Prior for loads of Finals so it's nothing new.
And Jimmy white ;)
The 3 people in question bearly touched him. Sure sludden himself shoved the guard out of his when his offered protection. Sludden should be banned for life and if i ever see him referee i'll gladly tell him to retire and spare us his arrogant dishonest antics. He will always be a cheat to me, and until the day i die i will roar on the wee county in leinster, hopefully someday justice or karma will see to it that they win leinster soon.
Quote from: ross4life on January 14, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 14, 2011, 02:56:40 PM
It would help if Provincial Councils appointed only the top refs to handle their Provincial Finals - something the Leinster and Munster Councils certainly didnt do in 2010.
TBH Connacht appointed Seamus Prior for loads of Finals so it's nothing new.
Seein that ****'s name has brought my rash back again.
Never was there an injustice like what that yoke did >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Sligonian, All of a sludden.....have either of you ever reffed a game ?
Ah, I missed this thread. :D
Its not over yet.
GAA President Christy Cooney has been handed a red card by a football fan and summoned to appear in a Dublin courtroom as a direct result of Meath's controversial victory in the 2010 Leinster final.
The case centres on the fact that Meath were awarded the game, despite the fact that the GAA rules were clearly when Joe Sheridan threw the ball over the Louth goal line.
Mornington man Paddy Garvey is taking the case, which has been listed for December 13 in Court 28, , Four Courts, at 10am. The action comes after Mr Garvey's attempt to summons Mr Cooney was dismissed by a Dublin District Court judge in July.
He claims that the GAA deliberately broke its own rules of play when it declared Meath winners of the competition last year. The matter now lies before the court, Mr Garvey said.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on November 15, 2011, 11:03:12 PM
Its not over yet.
GAA President Christy Cooney has been handed a red card by a football fan and summoned to appear in a Dublin courtroom as a direct result of Meath's controversial victory in the 2010 Leinster final.
The case centres on the fact that Meath were awarded the game, despite the fact that the GAA rules were clearly when Joe Sheridan threw the ball over the Louth goal line.
Mornington man Paddy Garvey is taking the case, which has been listed for December 13 in Court 28, , Four Courts, at 10am. The action comes after Mr Garvey's attempt to summons Mr Cooney was dismissed by a Dublin District Court judge in July.
He claims that the GAA deliberately broke its own rules of play when it declared Meath winners of the competition last year. The matter now lies before the court, Mr Garvey said.
But Mornington is in Meath!
Point of information: Joe Sheridan did not throw the ball over the Louth goal line.
<Clears the decks for a few days>
It was a perfectly legitimate goal. A great never say die score.
Hard to see what problem Louth fans had with it.
(http://media.tcm.ie/media/images/j/JoeSheridanGoalMeathvLouthJuly2010SPORTSFILE.jpg)
He was fouled by the Louth goalkeeper. The referee played advantage, according to the rule.
Quote from: Hardy on November 16, 2011, 11:25:04 PM
He was fouled by the Louth goalkeeper. The referee played advantage, according to the rule.
Are you sure that's how you see it Hardy? Are you sure?
Now you're seeing sense. A free out then ;D
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.12 For a player attacking a goal to carry the ball
over opponents' goal-line.
PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOULS - Free kick
from where the foul occurred except as
provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2.
You seem to be a little confused. The foul was by the Louth goalkeeper on Joe, not by Joe on the ball.
Quote from: Hardy on November 16, 2011, 11:55:16 PM
You seem to be a little confused. The foul was by the Louth goalkeeper on Joe, not by Joe on the ball.
Not at all confused. Joe carrying the ball over the line is a foul (4.12). It's either a penalty or a free out. If he played advantage as you think, then definitely a free out.
4.36 When a team commits a technical foul, the
referee may allow the play to continue if
he considers it to be the advantage of the
opposing team. He shall signal that advantage
is being played by raising an extended arm
upright. Once he allows play to continue, he
may not subsequently award a free for that
foul. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary
action.
Can't be any clearer:
RULE 3 - SCORES
3.1 A goal is scored when the ball is played over
the goal-line between the posts and under the
crossbar by either team.
Exceptions
A player on the team attacking a goal and who
is in possession of the ball may not score: -
(i) by carrying the ball over his opponents'
goal-line;
(http://media.tcm.ie/media/images/j/JoeSheridanGoalMeathvLouthJuly2010SPORTSFILE.jpg)
No no no. You definitely are confused. What you're proposing is equivalent to saying a player forced to carry the ball over his own end line by a push in the back has conceded a 45.
Sure even the Louth people accept the facts at this stage.
Not my proposal at all. If a player is forced over the endline or sideline while in possession it is either a foul on the player in possession or a kickout/sideline ball to the team who did the forcing. It is seen all the time particularly for sideline balls. This is entirely consistant with Joe's situation. Joe carrying the ball over the goalline is a foul (explicitly stated in rule 4.12) - equivalent to a player carrying the ball over the endline/sideline. Either Joe is awarded a penalty for being forced over the line illegally or a free is awarded against Joe for fouling the ball.
Rule 3.1 explicitly states that a player cannot score a goal by carrying the ball over the opponent's goalline. If an exception to that was if he was illegally forced over the line while in possession then the rulebook would say that, but it doesn't.
The rulebook doesn't list all exceptions. That would be impossible. Rule 3.2 explicitly states that a score may be made by striking the ball in flight with the hand(s). The rulebook doesn't mention anywhere that a score may be made by striking the ball in flight with the foot(feet), knee(s) or elbow(s). Does that mean a goal scored by deflecting a ball in flight into the net with the foot should be disallowed?
I am giving up at this point. I can get more sense out of your average Tyrone man. If the goalposts had been shifted about as much on the day, there wouldn't have been the need for this thread ::)
Ah no! I was hoping to get a few more pages out of this.
Two Louth fans found guilty of assault
Judge Bridget Reilly has found two Louth men guilty of assaulting referee Martin Sludden after the 2010 Leinster SFC final.
The Tyrone official awarded Meath a controversial winning goal in injury time against Louth.
A number of angry Louth supporters confronted the official after the final whistle, with the DPP recommending that three men be charged with assault following an investigation. Charges were later dropped against one of those men.
The two were sentenced to a fine of €1,000 each
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=163077
Bridget Reilly? Sure she's probably a Meath woman :D
Once again.
Great thread.
I may be biased ... but they deserve it :P
Would ye settle for a point and an Easter Egg? We seem to have mislaid the cup (and our form).
I just don't see how we could possibly win this game without breaking the rules.
I expect a win. We're simply not that bad, and should beat Louth at the dead of our ease.
I really hope you're right Ard-Rí, but after the match in Omagh I wouldn't be so sure. I really thought they were going to lift themselves for that game but it just never looked like happening.
I thought it was very telling that Tom Keague did all the media stuff after the match - not like Banty to be unavailable to the media.
Sure wouldn't it be a bit of craic if they got Sludden to referee it. They could fly big Joe back and do a re-enactment at half time for entertainment. Have thon two buckos who went after our Michael chase him round the field at full time too for a wee bonus laugh. Who needs Jedward to keep the crowd entertained at half time!
Omagh-gael, your amusing post illustrates a sad fact. We have indeed become a bit of a sideshow, if not a laughing stock under this regime.
I don’t blame Banty. He is what he is and can’t help it. I blame those who appointed him. They are worse than useless. The sad fact is that when eventually they show Banty the road, we are at the mercy of their arbitrary, haphazard fecklessness when it comes to the process of selecting the next manager.
And the manager is the key, as Seán Boylan proved by his achievements in spite of the county board’s incompetence. They were as useless from 1983 to 2005 as they are now. They have confirmed this since his departure by demonstrating how they squandered his achievements over two decades to the extent that we are now back to where we were in 1980, before Seán Boylan was heard of.
The only thing that will save Meath football at county level is the selection of the right leader to harness, motivate and lead the footballing talent in the county to maximise its potential. Unfortunately, this can only happen by accident, given what we’ve seen about how these clowns have gone about selecting the last few managers.
Quote from: Hardy on March 27, 2012, 11:54:18 AM
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And the manager is the key, as Seán Boylan proved by his achievements in spite of the county board's incompetence. They were as useless from 1983 to 2005 as they are now. They have confirmed this since his departure by demonstrating how they squandered his achievements over two decades to the extent that we are now back to where we were in 1980, before Seán Boylan was heard of.
I consider the 1996 favour that Meath did
for to us to have been now well and truly returned, apologies for the delay (only one way for Meath football to go from here)! ;)
I agree Hardy, our structures need a monumental overhaul.
We've plenty of serious, intelligent men in the county but no one will get involved with the county board in it's current guise.
p.s. Bring back Fintan Ginnity!
And Noel V. too while we're at it.
A pensioner wants to bring High Court proceedings arising out of the controversial decision to allow stand a goal scored by Meath in the 2010 Leinster football final against Louth.
The case is being brought by Louth football fan Paddy Garvey (aged 75) over the awarding of Meath's controversial winning goal in the Leinster SFC final at Croke Park, when Meath's Joe Sheridan infamously threw the ball over the line to deny the Louth the Leinster championship.
Arising out of the decision Mr Garvey issued a summons, under Section 51 of the district Court Rules compelling the GAA President to come before the court.
He says that he issued the summons against the GAA President because Meath won the game, and were awarded "the Leinster medals", despite that GAA rules were clearly breached when Joe Sheridan threw the ball over the line. His summons was struck out in July 2011.
He appealed that ruling to the Circuit Court and last March Judge Alison Lindsay, upheld the District Court's decision to dismiss Mr Garvey's summons.
Today, Mr Garvey sought permission from the High Court to have Judge Lindsay's decision judicially reviewed.
He claims that Judge Lindsay failed to give reasons why his case was being dismissed, which he submits he is obliged to do.
The application was heard by Mr Justice Michael Peart who told Mr Garvey that he would consider the legal documents he submitted in his application and would give his decision next week.
Get over it, build for the future.
Barney Allen wasn't going to give a replay for €10, 000 ... or any amount of fish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-b41ELFlg8
Memorieeeeees
Like the corners of my mindddd
:D
We've been called worse! :o
A remorseful Sheridan with the Cup.
(http://www.irishexaminerusa.com/mt/2010/07/13-week/images/gaa.jpg)
Look at Mary McAleese there, laughing her head off.
QuoteLook at Mary McAleese there, laughing her head off.
Mary McAleese's bridge spans Louth and Meath.
(http://img.rasset.ie/000381d9-642.jpg)
Has Sludden made many c**k ups since then?
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 16, 2010, 07:16:12 PM
Has anyone brought up the fact that Sludden was given a 85% rating for his performance on Sunday?
I always wondered what he lost the 15% for.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2013, 11:22:17 PM
A remorseful Sheridan with the Cup.
(http://www.irishexaminerusa.com/mt/2010/07/13-week/images/gaa.jpg)
Check out the CIA agent over Joe's right shoulder, he must have had €20 on Louth.
I think we should have a replay.
Big Joe?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 09, 2013, 11:40:08 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 16, 2010, 07:16:12 PM
Has anyone brought up the fact that Sludden was given a 85% rating for his performance on Sunday?
I always wondered what he lost the 15% for.
The 'tache.
He just togs out big.
Can't believe this was 4 years ago. Time flies.
Caught the end of it on RTE earlier. The officiating looks even worse a few years down the line.
The Louth players remonstrating with Sludden to consult his umpires so eventually he wanders over to one of them and tells him to put up the green flag and runs away. ;D
A wins a win, Louth would have done the same
Great. Lets get another 106 pages. Yeeeeaaaaaooooh ya Meath hoors.
That has to hurt. A Leinster title would have been dreamland stuff for Louth. Meath, instead, have probably the most reviled and discredited title in all of Irish sport. Both sides miserable!
Quote from: J70 on September 15, 2014, 10:29:49 PM
That has to hurt. A Leinster title would have been dreamland stuff for Louth. Meath, instead, have probably the most reviled and discredited title in all of Irish sport. Both sides miserable!
Will Kerrys AI title mean any less if they beat Donegal after getting more than a hand in the semi final from the referee?
Who was that aul fella from Louth doing all the giving out?
Is there going to be a rematch?
It still bugs me to this day that Spillane reckoned Seamus Kenny was in the square so it should have been a free out.
We know what to expect from a Tyrone man, but I thought QEII would have kept her hands clean.
Saw it as well. They could have waited till December when there was nothing else on. You'd miss Tony Davis on the Sunday Game... ::)
I thought big Joe spoke very sensibly about the whole thing.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2014, 10:11:55 AM
I thought big Joe spoke very sensibly about the whole thing.
That'd be the politican in him. Wonder how many of them medals are actually in the Boyne?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2014, 10:41:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 15, 2014, 10:29:49 PM
That has to hurt. A Leinster title would have been dreamland stuff for Louth. Meath, instead, have probably the most reviled and discredited title in all of Irish sport. Both sides miserable!
Will Kerrys AI title mean any less if they beat Donegal after getting more than a hand in the semi final from the referee?
Yes, Enright should have got the line, but there was nothing on the scale of the Sheridan "goal". The penalties etc all looked legit in real time. Ref gets one look, that's it. And besides, Keegan was only playing because he got off on a ridiculous technicality.
We all have games where we feel the ref cost us dearly (03 semi comes to mind for us, among others ), but other days they go your way. Rarely is it on the level of what happened to Louth, however.
Quote from: J70 on September 16, 2014, 02:10:20 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2014, 10:41:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 15, 2014, 10:29:49 PM
That has to hurt. A Leinster title would have been dreamland stuff for Louth. Meath, instead, have probably the most reviled and discredited title in all of Irish sport. Both sides miserable!
Will Kerrys AI title mean any less if they beat Donegal after getting more than a hand in the semi final from the referee?
Yes, Enright should have got the line, but there was nothing on the scale of the Sheridan "goal". The penalties etc all looked legit in real time. Ref gets one look, that's it. And besides, Keegan was only playing because he got off on a ridiculous technicality.
We all have games where we feel the ref cost us dearly (03 semi comes to mind for us, among others ), but other days they go your way. Rarely is it on the level of what happened to Louth, however.
There were more than 3 decisions that went against us?
Some of the big calls that went against usjcasey mayo advertiser Mayo Advertiser, Fri, Sep 12, 2014Last May between four and five thousand Mayo supporters descended on the Big Apple for the first round of the Connacht Championship, excited, anxious, expectant, is this going to be the year? Mayo supporters are a rare breed; they keep on supporting despite so many setbacks. I bet the New York GAA board and the pubs in Mid Manhattan wish Mayo had to travel every year. The performance levels grew as the tests became stiffer and Mayo found themselves in an All- Ireland semi final replay in Limerick above all places. I find this defeat particularly hard to take because we simply did not deserve to lose to Kerry. What is even more challenging to accept is that a team we were five points up against with three minutes left on the clock or a team we gave a hiding to by 16 points last year are going to be All- Ireland champions, will anything break for us to claim back the Holy Grail?
Instead of planning for a third final in a row, James Horan is probably spending his evenings and weekends playing with his children. As a unit I really do not think they could have given any more, every little detail was planned to perfection; the players were in immaculate shape physically and psychologically. Unfortunately it is the outside influences you cannot control. I have no doubt Cormac Reilly is a nice man and he did not arrive in Limerick with any hidden agenda despite the fact that it was his call that got Lee Keegan sent off in the drawn game in Croke Parke (he was the linesman that day in case you did not know ). I find it strange the powers that be selected a referee for the replay who they clearly admitted made a howler after rescinding Lee Keegan's red card. The rumour mill has gone into overdrive suggesting Reilly's wife is from Kerry, which makes the decision absurd to appoint him if it is true. I have watched the replay on Sky+ four times and unfortunately I did not get to see it all as my Sky+ box had not allowed for extra time. It does not get any easier the fourth time. For what it's worth here is a somewhat unbiased account of what went on in Limerick and the time in which the incidents happened
Second minute
Barry Moran was in a clutch with Anthony Maher on the sideline when Donnacha Walsh grabbed him aggressively around the neck, If I am not mistaken the third man in in a row was meant to be yellow carded. No punishment given to anyone.
Third minute
Johnny Buckley shouldered Seamie O'Shea in the chest, Kerry get the free.
Fifth minute
Cillian O'Connor and Shane Enright both got yellow cards for grappling on the ground, what the cameras missed was Aidan O'Mahony ploughing into O'Connor while on the ground, another third man in offence.
Eighth minute
Very soft free given to David Moran when Seamus O'Shea did very well to track him, resulting in a simple point for Kerry.
Tenth minute
Peter Crowley went head first into Colm Boyle's chest in front of the stand, a stone wall free for Mayo for barging, the free given to Kerry.
17th minute
Shane Enright hauled Cillian O'Connor to the ground for a dead cert black card which would have meant a red card after his yellow in the fifth minute, penalty given, Kerry should have been playing with 14 men from now on in.
20th minute
Enright again levelled Aidan O'Shea when he set up Cillian O'Connor for Mayo's second goal, a yellow card offence which meant Enright should have gone a second time, no action taken.
21st minute
Eamon Fitzmaurice takes off Enright, probably amazed he has not been sent off.
24th minute
Jason Doherty hand trips Aidan O'Mahony, the rules state that's a black card offence.
27th minute
Donnacha Walsh wrapped himself around Doherty to pull him back, again a black card offence.
27th minute
Kevin McLoughlin bounced the ball twice, O'Reilly oblivious and he gets away with it.
29th minute
Alan Dillon fouled Anthony Maher and Reilly clearly blew for a free. He let Maher hand pass the ball to Mark O'Shea and play to go on.
42nd Minute
Robbie Hennelly's kick out went over the sideline and into the arms of Eamon Fitzmaurice who threw the ball 10 metres forward to Michael Geaney who took the line ball 10 metres forward from where it went out.
42nd minute
Geaney clearly crossed the line with his kick in front of Maurice Deegan, a foul called encroachment, should have been a hop ball.
42nd minute
When the line ball eventually found its way to O'Donoghue he was very well tackled by the Mayo defence and dived to the ground in the area, penalty given to Kerry.
51st minute
Colm Boyle cut through Johnny Buckley, should have been a Kerry free and a yellow for Boyle.
53rd minute
Andy Moran broke free from his new marker Pa Kilkenny won the ball and was clearly pushed in the back by Kilkenny which should have been a tap over for Cillian O'Connor instead the ball went up the other end and Kerry got the score.
56th minute
Reilly pulled Ger Cafferkey for an alleged foul on Kieran Donaghy for a simple Kerry score, it should have been a free out if anything.
59th minute
Barry John Keane was given an advantage by Reilly, got his advantage and got a shot off but screwed it wide, Reilly brought play back and gave Kerry the free which they scored.
64th minute
Colm Boyle broke from midfield and got pulled back by Peter Crowley, a black card offence, Crowley was amazed he got away with it.
65th minute
Aidan O'Shea lucky to stay on the field after his forearm caught James O'Donohue in the jaw, no free given
Fourth minute (ET )
A crazy free given when Kevin Keane out muscled Donaghy to win the ball, Mayo were on the ascendency at this stage and Reilly single handily helped Kerry get back in the game.
Eighth minute (ET )
Barry John Keane clearly dived in front of the Mayo goals for another Reilly Howler, it should have been a free the other way, it got Kerry back on level terms.
In fairness the Joe Sheridan goal was defining moment of that game and Louth had no time to recover while Mayo not scoring for the final seventeen minutes was as much the reason for losing than any referee decision.
Unreal.
Even in THIS thread the Mayo lads manage to make it all about them again.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2014, 03:27:44 PM
For what it's worth here is a somewhat unbiased account of what went on in Limerick and the time in which the incidents happened
;D
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2014, 04:06:55 PM
Unreal.
Even in THIS thread the Mayo lads manage to make it all about them again.
FTB is the only one fighting this particular fight.
Most of the rest of us have moved on to Horan stepping down.
Some of us are eyeing up new targets.
Quote from: deiseach on September 16, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2014, 03:27:44 PM
For what it's worth here is a somewhat unbiased account of what went on in Limerick and the time in which the incidents happened
;D
That and the fact that this Mayo writer is sore because "a team we gave a hiding to by 16 points last year" might win the All Ireland.
As if that game was a true reflection of the relative worth of Donegal and Mayo! ;D
Quote from: J70 on September 16, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 16, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2014, 03:27:44 PM
For what it's worth here is a somewhat unbiased account of what went on in Limerick and the time in which the incidents happened
;D
That and the fact that this Mayo writer is sore because "a team we gave a hiding to by 16 points last year" might win the All Ireland.
As if that game was a true reflection of the relative worth of Donegal and Mayo! ;D
In fairness that comment is poor form! Last year was last year! Means nothing once the year finishes. John went to College in Letterkenny. Has allot of friends from Donegal and is Married to a Donegal girl. I suppose there's a touch of envy there?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2014, 08:34:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 16, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 16, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2014, 03:27:44 PM
For what it's worth here is a somewhat unbiased account of what went on in Limerick and the time in which the incidents happened
;D
That and the fact that this Mayo writer is sore because "a team we gave a hiding to by 16 points last year" might win the All Ireland.
As if that game was a true reflection of the relative worth of Donegal and Mayo! ;D
In fairness that comment is poor form! Last year was last year! Means nothing once the year finishes. John went to College in Letterkenny. Has allot of friends from Donegal and is Married to a Donegal girl. I suppose there's a touch of envy there?
Is that fella a journalist? That article is like a Syferus post
Quote from: heffo on September 16, 2014, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2014, 08:34:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 16, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 16, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2014, 03:27:44 PM
For what it's worth here is a somewhat unbiased account of what went on in Limerick and the time in which the incidents happened
;D
That and the fact that this Mayo writer is sore because "a team we gave a hiding to by 16 points last year" might win the All Ireland.
As if that game was a true reflection of the relative worth of Donegal and Mayo! ;D
In fairness that comment is poor form! Last year was last year! Means nothing once the year finishes. John went to College in Letterkenny. Has allot of friends from Donegal and is Married to a Donegal girl. I suppose there's a touch of envy there?
Is that fella a journalist? That article is like a Syferus post
That's better than it reading like a 'heffo' post, though.
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more...
This side of the draw is interesting at least with Meath, Flourbags, Louth and Laois
Louth had a good D3 campaign. Meath are still a work in progress
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2014, 04:06:55 PM
Unreal.
Even in THIS thread the Mayo lads manage to make it all about them again.
FTB is the only one fighting this particular fight.
Most of the rest of us have moved on to Horan stepping down.
Some of us are eyeing up new targets.
This makes for ominous reading a couple of years on...
Quote from: Jinxy on May 22, 2017, 03:48:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2014, 04:06:55 PM
Unreal.
Even in THIS thread the Mayo lads manage to make it all about them again.
FTB is the only one fighting this particular fight.
Most of the rest of us have moved on to Horan stepping down.
Some of us are eyeing up new targets.
This makes for ominous reading a couple of years on...
Don't worry Jinxy just stand straight in front of us and you only have about a 1/20
chance of being hit with our shooting!!
The feeling is this will be a tough one. I'm sure Andy and Gerry will have the lads in good shape though there is still uncertainty about our midfield and we are weak enough on the wings in defence. Louth have been improving and don't need any motivation going in to this.
Michael Newman scored 7 points in last years game against Louth but hasn't played a competitive match yet this year though did feature in some recent challenge games. Hard to know if he's ready but but better to have him than not.
Possible team for this one:
Meath vs Louth
1. Paddy O'Rourke
2. Donncha Tobin
3. Conor McGill
4. Donal Keoghan
5. Mickey Burke
6. Brian Power
7. Pauric Harnan
8. Brian Menton
9. James Toher / Ronan Jones
10. Eamon Wallace
11. Cillian O'Sullivan
12. Ruarí Ó Coillean
13. Brian McMahon / Michael Newman
14. Graham Reilly
15. Donal Lenihan
Meath (SFC v Louth):
1 - Paddy O'Rourke (Skryne)
2 - Mickey Burke (Longwood)
3 - Conor McGill (Ratoath)
4 - Donnacha Tobin (Blackhall Gaels)
5 - Padraic Harnan (Moynalvey)
6 - Donal Keogan (Rathkenny)
7 - Shane McEntee (Dunboyne)
8 - Bryan Menton (Donaghmore/Ashbourne)
9 - Ronan Jones (Dunboyne)
10 - James McEntee (Curraha)
11 - Cillian O'Sullivan (Moynalvey)
12 - Eamon Wallace (Ratoath)
13 - Graham Reilly (St Colmcilles) Captain
14 - Bryan McMahon (Ratoath)
15 - Donal Lenihan (Dunboyne)
My pick wasn't far off. Interesting that Jones is getting the start. He's highly rated though didn't play any senior county matches before. Hopefully he'll nail down a place in midfield for the future.
Plenty of pace in that forward line anyway.
Would rather see Graham out at wing-forward and Newman in the FF line though.
He'll probably switch with Wallace I'd say.
As always, I hope Louth win
Is Newman on the bench?
Quote from: Jinxy on June 03, 2017, 08:07:55 PM
Plenty of pace in that forward line anyway.
Would rather see Graham out at wing-forward and Newman in the FF line though.
He'll probably switch with Wallace I'd say.
will they be getting any supply of ball in to run after ?
Looks like a good Meath team apart from the full back line and Paddy O'Rourke.
Is Jones the answer in midfield, I don't recall seeing him play before.
McMahon is a class act and I was surprised he wasn't selected in the early stages of the league.
Jones hasn't played senior county before in anything except some recent challenge games. Was U21 before that. James Toher is on the bench as backup but isn't fully fit.
Meath winning by 4 but it's first half and Meath haven't played a decent second half in quite a while ....
Louth penalty with Big Joe as the goalie or was he ?
Goal.
Level
Have to watch TSG tonight because I still don't know what the hell happened for the penalty and the 2nd goal.
Good crowd & atmosphere in Parnell Park.
We were lively up front but very reliant on Graham Reilly to get scores when it mattered.
Impressed with Lenihan as well.
McMahon nearly scored a peach and can turn on a six-pence.
Jones excellent around the middle during the 2nd half.
Our full-back line worries me and Keoghan may have to go back in there.
The Louth folk around me were gentlemen and it was a good day out all told.
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2017, 10:51:34 PM
The 2nd goal!
;D
Louth should have had 6 goals.
What in the name of god was the keeper at???
That's classic Paddy in fairness.
If he doesn't have at least one howler in a game something is wrong.
'It looked like he thought the goals were somewhere else' - Meath boss Andy McEntee on bizarre Louth goal
"It was very strange. I wasn't quite sure. When the Louth man mis-hit the shot and I saw Paddy turning and going away I thought to myself, 'Well, it's obviously going wide' and then the net started to rattle.
"I think he thought it was going wide, he actually thought the goals were to his left, and they were to his right.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/it-looked-like-he-thought-the-goals-were-somewhere-else-meath-boss-andy-mcentee-on-bizarre-louth-goal-35788648.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/it-looked-like-he-thought-the-goals-were-somewhere-else-meath-boss-andy-mcentee-on-bizarre-louth-goal-35788648.html)
;D
Peter Fitzpatrick and Joe Sheridan discussed the incident last night on TSG.
Fitzpatrick says he thinks about that game every day.
One thing that I'd forgotten about that incident was, it was definitely a penalty. Had Meath scored the winner from a penalty, it wouldn't have been half as bad as losing the way they did.
Peter Fitzpatrick came across very bad. Him giving out about having an Ulster referee was bizarre.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 15, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
Peter Fitzpatrick came across very bad. Him giving out about having an Ulster referee was bizarre.
Yeah, that did come across as petty.
As regards the rules. The GAA said something about unable to replay the match as the referees report and scorecard couldn't be changed.
Was there any difference in replaying the Antrim/Meath Ring final a couple years ago, or the Clare/Offaly semi in 1998?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 09:24:57 AM
Peter Fitzpatrick and Joe Sheridan discussed the incident last night on TSG.
Fitzpatrick says he thinks about that game every day.
One thing that I'd forgotten about that incident was, it was definitely a penalty. Had Meath scored the winner from a penalty, it wouldn't have been half as bad as losing the way they did.
Don't think so. More like extravagant diving from Joe Sheridan.
Clare v Offaly was a "refixture" as the original game wasn't finished.
Ring Cup ... Ref added score up wrong???
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 15, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 09:24:57 AM
Peter Fitzpatrick and Joe Sheridan discussed the incident last night on TSG.
Fitzpatrick says he thinks about that game every day.
One thing that I'd forgotten about that incident was, it was definitely a penalty. Had Meath scored the winner from a penalty, it wouldn't have been half as bad as losing the way they did.
Don't think so. More like extravagant diving from Joe Sheridan.
Nah the keeper nearly sat on Sheridan's head. Made no attempt to play the ball.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 15, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 09:24:57 AM
Peter Fitzpatrick and Joe Sheridan discussed the incident last night on TSG.
Fitzpatrick says he thinks about that game every day.
One thing that I'd forgotten about that incident was, it was definitely a penalty. Had Meath scored the winner from a penalty, it wouldn't have been half as bad as losing the way they did.
Don't think so. More like extravagant diving from Joe Sheridan.
Nah the keeper nearly sat on Sheridan's head. Made no attempt to play the ball.
Was never a penalty. It was like he was trying to score a try the way he went over the line.
Clare/Offaly was blown up early and it's in the GAA rule book somewhere that the game must be replayed as it was never completed.
Don't know about the other one
Quote from: dublin7 on June 17, 2020, 03:23:08 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 15, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 09:24:57 AM
Peter Fitzpatrick and Joe Sheridan discussed the incident last night on TSG.
Fitzpatrick says he thinks about that game every day.
One thing that I'd forgotten about that incident was, it was definitely a penalty. Had Meath scored the winner from a penalty, it wouldn't have been half as bad as losing the way they did.
Don't think so. More like extravagant diving from Joe Sheridan.
Nah the keeper nearly sat on Sheridan's head. Made no attempt to play the ball.
Was never a penalty. It was like he was trying to score a try the way he went over the line.
Clare/Offaly was blown up early and it's in the GAA rule book somewhere that the game must be replayed as it was never completed.
Don't know about the other one
I thought Loughnane/Clare offered the replay on condition Colin Lynch was cleared to play? Lynch suspension wasnt uplifted anyway. If that was Cork or Tipp there would have been no replay.