Brexit.

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bennydorano

The Electoral Commission has fined Vote Leave and referred the organisation to the Police.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

Dougal Maguire

Quote from: seanaglis on July 16, 2018, 11:58:36 PM
Corbyn has always been anti-eu. He's a man of principle, he won't lead any charge against a reversal of the referendum just because it may be politically advantageous to him
I realise that but it's a lazy approach in my opinion. He knows well that the electorate was ignorant and mis informed and voted leave for all the wrong reasons.
Careful now

seafoid

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/16/used-seeing-tory-mps-attack-brexit-something-else/

Tory MPs hate each other. They aren't even trying to hide it any more. They've abandoned all but the most basic civility. Right there in the chamber, before the press, the public and the TV cameras, they heckle, taunt and deride each other with unbridled contempt. It must be bliss, right now, to be a Labour MP. Each day you can just stroll into the Commons, lie back on your comfy green bench, and watch the Conservative Party tear itself apart, right before your eyes.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

GJL

Does the vote yesterday evening rule out the back stop that was agreed in December?

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A no deal Brexit looking more and more likely. Probably be some fudge in the end.
I would typically lean towards Labour but Corbyn is more anti-EU than Nigel Farage and Gerry Adams. Wishing for a change of Gov (unlikely) at this stage would be foolish. It's a real mess and unfortunately the most vulnerable in society will pay the price.

Shamrock Shore

Quote from: GJL on July 17, 2018, 08:47:55 AM
Does the vote yesterday evening rule out the back stop that was agreed in December?

All informed comment says that, yes, so-called backstop is now impossible.

It's like a Stephen King novel where some quare virus have infected the UK body politic which makes lemmings look like they are making mature informed life choices.

seafoid

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/theresa-may-ready-cave-in-hardline-brexiters-customs-demands

Theresa May has caved in to hardline Brexiters and accepted all four of their amendments to the customs bill, rather than allowing Jacob Rees-Mogg and colleagues to stage a show of parliamentary strength.

No 10 indicated that ministers would tell the House of Commons on Monday evening that the government had agreed to all four amendments put by members of the hard Brexit European Research Group (ERG).

A Downing Street source said the amendments "were consistent with the Brexit white paper" and that the government would support them when the taxation (cross border trade) bill was debated by MPs on Monday. The result is that Tory Brexiters will not be able to stage a vote of rebellion, but comes at the price of Downing Street accepting an amendment that the ERG had claimed would kill off May's "facilitated customs arrangement".


The critical amendment would ensure HMRC could not collect duties or VAT on goods on behalf of the EU unless there was a reciprocal arrangement, which the Brexiters believed would kill off the customs plan because the bloc would reject it.

Tory remain rebels reacted with fury to the concessions, and said they would vote against some of the ERG amendments, in their own show of strength. Heidi Allen said: "I will never give ERG my backing." She said she would vote against two of the amendments, which she said "fundamentally undermine the Chequers proposal and our PM".

A separate soft Brexit amendment, calling for the UK to remain in the EU customs union was withdrawn on Monday. It had not been expected to be carried because while it had the support of Labour, the SNP and the Lib Dems, only a couple of Tory MPs – Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke – had put their names to it.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 17, 2018, 09:08:43 AM
Quote from: GJL on July 17, 2018, 08:47:55 AM
Does the vote yesterday evening rule out the back stop that was agreed in December?

All informed comment says that, yes, so-called backstop is now impossible.

It's like a Stephen King novel where some quare virus have infected the UK body politic which makes lemmings look like they are making mature informed life choices.
Or a parasite

https://youtu.be/-ySwuQhruBo

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Mayo4Sam

Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 17, 2018, 07:20:06 AM
I wonder are Leo & co preparing for a no deal? Given what went fown last night.

Given how well they have preformed on Brexit to date you'd imagine that probably 50% of their time is being spent on the no deal scenario
Excuse me for talking while you're trying to interrupt me

NAG1

Given the fact that it has been such a mess from the start, I am start to think that the no deal exit is the default position for the Tories, that way they can point to the big bad EU and say they didnt want to deal and wouldnt accept any of our half hearted attempts at a deal.


seafoid

Brexit reminds me of an old style row in the Galway hurling board that would take up the whole summer and beyond. Emotion would take precedence over the county team.  The point of the UK govt is the welfare of the people. Not the Tory party.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Political news

Guardian
Brexit :May narrowly avoids defeat after caving in to hardliners
Donald Trump surrender to Russia outrages Democrats and Republicans

Economic news
CBS

Six months after the Trump tax cuts " real wages fell 1.4 percent from the prior year"



Worker wages drop while companies spend billions to boost stocks

cbsnews.com

 https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/worker-wages-drop-while-companies-spend-billions-to-boost-stocks

Guardian

 https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2018/jul/17/uk-jobs-and-wages-in-focus-as-bank-of-england-governor-quizzed-by-mps-business-live

UK wages growth slips, but unemployment steady at 4.2%

While the stream is down from Farnborough, over to the day's big UK data release.

Wages growth slipped to its weakest level in six months, rising by 2.5% in the three months to May compared to a 2.6% increase in the previous three months. Pay excluding bonuses came in at 2.7%. These were in line with analyst forecasts, and are above the inflation rate of 2.4%.


It's the economy. Always.
The plutocracy are calling the shots.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

mouview

UK politics is almost literally deadlocked. No majority in the Commons for any sort of Brexit. Calls for May to resign or be ousted, but it's likely she'd just about win a no-confidence motion, buying her a year's grace. Brexiteers can be clever and just stall everything until the deadline passes and a no-deal crash out becomes de facto  Voices of reason like Grieve, Soubry and Justine Greening are gaining little traction. A General Election might clear the sultry air around Westminster but it would surely see Corbyn in no. 10 , which would be worse, so there's no appetite for it. Sinn Fein are too spineless to take their seats and upset the status quo, hopefully this is rammed home to the electorate here by all parties at our next election. Big business in Britain really needs to become more strident and show the politicians the folly of their ways.

Jacob Rees Mogg looks like Teacher from the Bash Street Kids.





Applesisapples

Quote from: omaghjoe on July 17, 2018, 04:57:47 AM
Quote from: seanaglis on July 16, 2018, 11:58:36 PM
Corbyn has always been anti-eu. He's a man of principle, he won't lead any charge against a reversal of the referendum just because it may be politically advantageous to him

Correct. The old left were always anti-EU, my Da voting against joining originally. Saw it as benefiting businesses and the wealthy and not much for the working man.... they were proved right on that front.
Christ the night who do you think will suffer most when jobs are lost and prices rise in the post eu global uk.

seafoid

Quote from: mouview on July 17, 2018, 02:18:44 PM
UK politics is almost literally deadlocked. No majority in the Commons for any sort of Brexit. Calls for May to resign or be ousted, but it's likely she'd just about win a no-confidence motion, buying her a year's grace. Brexiteers can be clever and just stall everything until the deadline passes and a no-deal crash out becomes de facto  Voices of reason like Grieve, Soubry and Justine Greening are gaining little traction. A General Election might clear the sultry air around Westminster but it would surely see Corbyn in no. 10 , which would be worse, so there's no appetite for it. Sinn Fein are too spineless to take their seats and upset the status quo, hopefully this is rammed home to the electorate here by all parties at our next election. Big business in Britain really needs to become more strident and show the politicians the folly of their ways.

Jacob Rees Mogg looks like Teacher from the Bash Street Kids.





A while ago a commentator said that it wasn't in the EU's interesr to put pressure on May given her weak position. Now the Toty party is being held to ransom by the Brexit heads who are the enemy of UK citizns and the EU. The strategy has to be to sideline then neutralise  them. This cannot be done quickly. The EU would also suffer from no deal.
The only answer is more time.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU