A bad month between Ballymena and today Bombardier announcing 1000 redundancies
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
Title of this thread proves the freestate doesn't want the North. "NI job losses?"
Belfast candidates ONLY: If applying for a position within our Belfast office, Northern Irish legislation requires us to ask you to select one of the following statements:
Not SpecifiedMy background is that of the Protestant communityMy background is that of the Catholic communityI have neither a Protestant nor a Catholic background
How the f**k does this still happen?
Quote from: T Fearon on February 17, 2016, 09:25:47 PM
Title of this thread proves the freestate doesn't want the North. "NI job losses?"
Tony, I don't speak for the 26 counties unfortunately. The NI economic model is taking a hammering. 3000 job losses in February which is equivalent to say 10,000 down south. And what will replace them? Linen?
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 09:48:07 PM
Belfast candidates ONLY: If applying for a position within our Belfast office, Northern Irish legislation requires us to ask you to select one of the following statements:
Not SpecifiedMy background is that of the Protestant communityMy background is that of the Catholic communityI have neither a Protestant nor a Catholic background
How the f**k does this still happen?
How can they measure if they are discriminating if they don't find out what foot you dig with?
Quote from: armaghniac on February 17, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 09:48:07 PM
Belfast candidates ONLY: If applying for a position within our Belfast office, Northern Irish legislation requires us to ask you to select one of the following statements:
Not SpecifiedMy background is that of the Protestant communityMy background is that of the Catholic communityI have neither a Protestant nor a Catholic background
How the f**k does this still happen?
How can they measure if they are discriminating if they don't find out what foot you dig with?
How effective is anti discrimination legislation is say Ballymena or Larne ?
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 09:48:07 PM
Belfast candidates ONLY: If applying for a position within our Belfast office, Northern Irish legislation requires us to ask you to select one of the following statements:
Not SpecifiedMy background is that of the Protestant communityMy background is that of the Catholic communityI have neither a Protestant nor a Catholic background
How the f**k does this still happen?
https://www.gov.uk/employers-responsibilities-equality-monitoring (https://www.gov.uk/employers-responsibilities-equality-monitoring)
In the norths you can have a reasonable stab at someone's preferred digging foot based on their name.
Some names are obvious, but schools are the real tell tale signs.
Companies are legally required up here to monitor the background of all job applicants and take action if one community is significantly underrepresented in terms of applications or employment.Many job ads have the addendum "As Protestants/Catholics are currently underrepresented in our workforce,applications are particularly welcome from this section of the community"
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 10:07:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 17, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 09:48:07 PM
Belfast candidates ONLY: If applying for a position within our Belfast office, Northern Irish legislation requires us to ask you to select one of the following statements:
Not SpecifiedMy background is that of the Protestant communityMy background is that of the Catholic communityI have neither a Protestant nor a Catholic background
How the f**k does this still happen?
How can they measure if they are discriminating if they don't find out what foot you dig with?
How effective is anti discrimination legislation is say Ballymena or Larne ?
Not much call for them big roads now :-X
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
They probably need to be modernised but I wouldn't kill them off. In the US they were decimated and now one third of Yansk are freelance workers with no pensions or sick pay and average income of 28k USD which is SFA compared to equivalent permanent employees factoring in what employers pay for pensions etc
Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 10:40:37 PM
Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry
What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?
Quote from: Minder on February 17, 2016, 10:48:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 10:40:37 PM
Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry
What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?
Finding replacement jobs I presume is what he means.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
Quote from: Minder on February 17, 2016, 10:48:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 10:40:37 PM
Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry
What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?
New jobs is his or her job, no ?
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 11:27:15 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 17, 2016, 10:48:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 10:40:37 PM
Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry
What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?
New jobs is his or her job, no ?
In NI realistically it is Jonathan Bell in the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Investment as you can't just pull jobs out of your arse. The Department of Employment and Learning is a different beast.
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 11:27:15 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 17, 2016, 10:48:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2016, 10:40:37 PM
Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry
What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?
New jobs is his or her job, no ?
I've never known a minister to have any influence to change these cuts in jobs, good fir them to get media coverage saying the right things... Proper tits in my opinion
When the shipyard was closing Robinson said all the right things, but behind it all he was a winner
How are they going to replace the jobs? I presume bombardier was fairly well paid.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:14:43 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Shorts Bombardier has always been a boom and bust company. No real job security as employees were always a lost order away from the bru. The unions never lose out. They'll still be in business in the morning peddling the same oul shite.
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:14:43 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:14:43 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
Hopefully these work shy people don't claim benefits after being made unemployed!!!!
Quote from: Franko on February 18, 2016, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:14:43 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So the 6500 other Bombardier staff that are being made redundant across Canada & Europe also lazy? Or is it just the ones in Belfast? The Bombardier boss here said the redundancies would have happened regardless of the staff accepting the pay deal last year.
My experience of unions in these types of places is similar to MR2's, the workshy tend to levitate towards roles within the unions and then do all in their powers to bring everyone down to their level of productivity.
That's not to say unions are not needed, they just need to change the mentality a bit and allow some form on incentivised structure to allow the better, more productive to be rewarded AND ensure that employers do not ride roughshod over workers which also is beginning to become all too common with zero hour contracts and what not being abused willy nilly.
When the Unions in Bombardier rejected the cost cutting measures these redundancies were always on the cards, it was always going to be when and how deep.
I'm presuming all contractors are already off site, so the 90 day consultation will begin. I've been involved in a few and its not nice at all.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 09:53:48 AM
Quote from: Franko on February 18, 2016, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:14:43 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
I presume none of you hard working heroes are posting here on the job?
Quote from: Franko on February 18, 2016, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 09:53:48 AM
Quote from: Franko on February 18, 2016, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 11:14:43 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 17, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
So you'd not accept a deal to save your job??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:10:44 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 18, 2016, 01:52:15 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
So you'd not accept a deal to save your job??
They were being made redundant regardless of accepting the pay deal
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 18, 2016, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2016, 08:10:44 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
So you'd not accept a deal to save your job??
They were being made redundant regardless of accepting the pay deal
Could have been less, that's why Bombardier went to the employee's with the offer prior to this... I've still good contact with ex colleague's and my two neighbours have been filling me in with the current state.... But hey, you know best
What are unemployment benefits like ? As they are bad as in England?
Having worked in a unionised production environment the Union's main priority, apart from self promotion, is ensuring every worker is viewed as an equal. The most useless, lazy, work-shy, always off sick, raising pathetic grievances rather than work, trouble-makers got the full backing of the Union to prevent them being disciplined or getting a poor appraisal rating for being a useless layabout. When the union ensures that type doesn't get the road it endangers everyones future.
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 18, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
Having worked in a unionised production environment the Union's main priority, apart from self promotion, is ensuring every worker is viewed as an equal. The most useless, lazy, work-shy, always off sick, raising pathetic grievances rather than work, trouble-makers got the full backing of the Union to prevent them being disciplined or getting a poor appraisal rating for being a useless layabout. When the union ensures that type doesn't get the road it endangers everyones future.
Well put.
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 18, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
Having worked in a unionised production environment the Union's main priority, apart from self promotion, is ensuring every worker is viewed as an equal. The most useless, lazy, work-shy, always off sick, raising pathetic grievances rather than work, trouble-makers got the full backing of the Union to prevent them being disciplined or getting a poor appraisal rating for being a useless layabout. When the union ensures that type doesn't get the road it endangers everyones future.
Going off subject a bit, but how dangerous do you think it is to not be part of any union? Say, just have a good lawyer?
Does that leave you feeling a bit of a fraud if a union negotiates a better pay deal which you will benefit from?
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Quote from: Over the Bar on February 18, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
Having worked in a unionised production environment the Union's main priority, apart from self promotion, is ensuring every worker is viewed as an equal. The most useless, lazy, work-shy, always off sick, raising pathetic grievances rather than work, trouble-makers got the full backing of the Union to prevent them being disciplined or getting a poor appraisal rating for being a useless layabout. When the union ensures that type doesn't get the road it endangers everyones future.
Well put.
Possibly true, but if they pay their dues they're entitled to the best possible representation the Union can provide. The Union only exists in the first place because of their members.
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Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
So you'd not accept a deal to save your job??
They were being made redundant regardless of accepting the pay deal
Could have been less, that's why Bombardier went to the employee's with the offer prior to this... I've still good contact with ex colleague's and my two neighbours have been filling me in with the current state.... But hey, you know best
No that's the thing, you think you know best on just about every thread you spout mindless shit on.
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Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
So you'd not accept a deal to save your job??
They were being made redundant regardless of accepting the pay deal
Could have been less, that's why Bombardier went to the employee's with the offer prior to this... I've still good contact with ex colleague's and my two neighbours have been filling me in with the current state.... But hey, you know best
No that's the thing, you think you know best on just about every thread you spout mindless shit on.
Thanks, that answers my question.... Now stop trolling me ;D
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Quote from: Saffrongael on February 18, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
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Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
So you'd not accept a deal to save your job??
They were being made redundant regardless of accepting the pay deal
Could have been less, that's why Bombardier went to the employee's with the offer prior to this... I've still good contact with ex colleague's and my two neighbours have been filling me in with the current state.... But hey, you know best
No that's the thing, you think you know best on just about every thread you spout mindless shit on.
Thanks, that answers my question.... Now stop trolling me ;D
It was the local bombardier boss that said the redundancies were being made regardless of accepting pay deal, maybe you know better than him, with everyone keeping you in the loop?
Can you hoors stop quoting the previous posts.
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Quote from: Saffrongael on February 18, 2016, 08:45:20 PM
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Quote from: bennydorano on February 17, 2016, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
So you'd not accept a deal to save your job??
They were being made redundant regardless of accepting the pay deal
Could have been less, that's why Bombardier went to the employee's with the offer prior to this... I've still good contact with ex colleague's and my two neighbours have been filling me in with the current state.... But hey, you know best
No that's the thing, you think you know best on just about every thread you spout mindless shit on.
Thanks, that answers my question.... Now stop trolling me ;D
It was the local bombardier boss that said the redundancies were being made regardless of accepting pay deal, maybe you know better than him, with everyone keeping you in the loop?
Was it?? You know this??
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Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
So you'd not accept a deal to save your job??
They were being made redundant regardless of accepting the pay deal
Could have been less, that's why Bombardier went to the employee's with the offer prior to this... I've still good contact with ex colleague's and my two neighbours have been filling me in with the current state.... But hey, you know best
No that's the thing, you think you know best on just about every thread you spout mindless shit on.
Thanks, that answers my question.... Now stop trolling me ;D
It was the local bombardier boss that said the redundancies were being made regardless of accepting pay deal, maybe you know better than him, with everyone keeping you in the loop?
Was it?? You know this??
Yes it was, reported by John Campbell, BBC business editor.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:57 PM
Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....
I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.
Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...
Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange
What an idiotic thing to say.
From my time working there.... You work there??
No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do. However, it's utterly irrelevant. You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy. No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices. No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough. Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.
Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...
If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....
As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....
I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....
Haha, that's some bit of reversing! You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series. Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said. Much more reasoned stuff. Your initial post was still idiotic though.
Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??
So now it IS the employees fault. Some flip-flopping going on here.
So you'd not accept a deal to save your job??
They were being made redundant regardless of accepting the pay deal
Could have been less, that's why Bombardier went to the employee's with the offer prior to this... I've still good contact with ex colleague's and my two neighbours have been filling me in with the current state.... But hey, you know best
No that's the thing, you think you know best on just about every thread you spout mindless shit on.
Thanks, that answers my question.... Now stop trolling me ;D
It was the local bombardier boss that said the redundancies were being made regardless of accepting pay deal, maybe you know better than him, with everyone keeping you in the loop?
Was it?? You know this??
Yes it was, reported by John Campbell, BBC business editor.
That a 1000 jobs would have been lost regardless?? Link??
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Same as the south I presume, farming, engineering, pharmaceutical, retailers, construction and of course public sector jobs.... Can I ask same question about the obvious successful south?
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Baking soda farls, and non Gay cakes.
Salt mining
Oil recolouring
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Approx 40% of the world's mobile crushing / screening equipment is manufactured in NI (according to Invest NI).
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2016, 12:08:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Baking soda farls, and non Gay cakes.
Salt mining
Oil recolouring
Pallet and tyre removal.
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
40% of all recording heads in computers etc are made in Derry. That's a lot of recording heads.
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 08:51:19 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2016, 12:08:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Baking soda farls, and non Gay cakes.
Salt mining
Oil recolouring
Pallet and tyre removal.
We used to lead the way in surgery techniques for injuries from gunshot wounds, not sure that is the case now.
We sell quite a lot of defibrillators as well.
Marketing a boat that sank...
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 19, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
40% of all recording heads in computers etc are made in Derry. That's a lot of recording heads.
1 in 3 aircarft seats are made in NI
About 75% of the worlds crushing and screening equipment
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
That's it solved now.... Twitter, I'm sorry... if I put on twitter that statement is wrong will you accept that?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 19, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
40% of all recording heads in computers etc are made in Derry. That's a lot of recording heads.
Does it need some new industries or services?
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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 19, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
40% of all recording heads in computers etc are made in Derry. That's a lot of recording heads.
Does it need some new industries or services?
Location wise general manufacturing is going to be difficult to revive. Even wise tax breaks and incentives there are more cost effective areas of the world to use a hub for these multi nationals.
Has to be some new thinking and new direction for the future.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
Quote from: ONeill on February 18, 2016, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 18, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
Having worked in a unionised production environment the Union's main priority, apart from self promotion, is ensuring every worker is viewed as an equal. The most useless, lazy, work-shy, always off sick, raising pathetic grievances rather than work, trouble-makers got the full backing of the Union to prevent them being disciplined or getting a poor appraisal rating for being a useless layabout. When the union ensures that type doesn't get the road it endangers everyones future.
Going off subject a bit, but how dangerous do you think it is to not be part of any union? Say, just have a good lawyer?
Does that leave you feeling a bit of a fraud if a union negotiates a better pay deal which you will benefit from?
The unions will give you exactly the same 'legal' service as a lawyer. The benefits of being part of a Union is the power of numbers. If you're getting a bad deal in work and not part of the union then the company just shafts you and gets rid of you. If you're a Union member the risk Union action happening which can cause havoc, depending on the industry.
Indiana is the only one with the expertise and the vision to save the NI economy
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
If they rejected the deal over an extra hour on a Friday and a 2 year pay freeze in a period of low inflation, then they are an amazing shower of mugs. Shocking stuff!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
If they rejected the deal over an extra hour on a Friday and a 2 year pay freeze in a period of low inflation, then they are an amazing shower of mugs. Shocking stuff!
Was great finishing up at 11.45am on a Friday.... But Franko knows a man who has a twitter account that will tell you something else...
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 19, 2016, 02:50:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 18, 2016, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 18, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
Having worked in a unionised production environment the Union's main priority, apart from self promotion, is ensuring every worker is viewed as an equal. The most useless, lazy, work-shy, always off sick, raising pathetic grievances rather than work, trouble-makers got the full backing of the Union to prevent them being disciplined or getting a poor appraisal rating for being a useless layabout. When the union ensures that type doesn't get the road it endangers everyones future.
Going off subject a bit, but how dangerous do you think it is to not be part of any union? Say, just have a good lawyer?
Does that leave you feeling a bit of a fraud if a union negotiates a better pay deal which you will benefit from?
The unions will give you exactly the same 'legal' service as a lawyer. The benefits of being part of a Union is the power of numbers. If you're getting a bad deal in work and not part of the union then the company just shafts you and gets rid of you. If you're a Union member the risk Union action happening which can cause havoc, depending on the industry.
Our company has over 2000 employees in the north and not a union in sight. They aren't a necessity.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 19, 2016, 02:50:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 18, 2016, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 18, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
Having worked in a unionised production environment the Union's main priority, apart from self promotion, is ensuring every worker is viewed as an equal. The most useless, lazy, work-shy, always off sick, raising pathetic grievances rather than work, trouble-makers got the full backing of the Union to prevent them being disciplined or getting a poor appraisal rating for being a useless layabout. When the union ensures that type doesn't get the road it endangers everyones future.
Going off subject a bit, but how dangerous do you think it is to not be part of any union? Say, just have a good lawyer?
Does that leave you feeling a bit of a fraud if a union negotiates a better pay deal which you will benefit from?
The unions will give you exactly the same 'legal' service as a lawyer. The benefits of being part of a Union is the power of numbers. If you're getting a bad deal in work and not part of the union then the company just shafts you and gets rid of you. If you're a Union member the risk Union action happening which can cause havoc, depending on the industry.
Our company has over 2000 employees in the north and not a union in sight. They aren't a necessity.
Ours too.
1500 worker's and non union.
anyone who says unions are not necessary assumes that the conditions of now are forever.
Unions were destroyed in the US and now one third of workers work freelance.
This chart shows what happens without unions
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/15/40-years-of-economic-policy-in-one-chart/
Life is contingent
Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 19, 2016, 07:06:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Approx 40% of the world's mobile crushing / screening equipment is manufactured in NI (according to Invest NI).
3 fairly large indigenous Pharma companies.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 19, 2016, 09:50:05 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 19, 2016, 07:06:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Approx 40% of the world's mobile crushing / screening equipment is manufactured in NI (according to Invest NI).
3 fairly large indigenous Pharma companies.
Tis true. Blow-ins for the tax breaks in the south.
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Google Brian Conlon and his company First Derivatives Seafóid. Ex county player for Down. Global player based out of Newry. PM me if you want more details.
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 19, 2016, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Google Brian Conlon and his company First Derivatives Seafóid. Ex county player for Down. Global player based out of Newry. PM me if you want more details.
Are you trying to set him up on a date? Are you Brian?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 19, 2016, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Google Brian Conlon and his company First Derivatives Seafóid. Ex county player for Down. Global player based out of Newry. PM me if you want more details.
Are you trying to set him up on a date? Are you Brian?
Feck off ya hoor ye! Conlon has some operation. 1,000+ employees. Multi million pound turn over. All started with a loan from the Credit Union.
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 19, 2016, 11:23:35 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 19, 2016, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Google Brian Conlon and his company First Derivatives Seafóid. Ex county player for Down. Global player based out of Newry. PM me if you want more details.
Are you trying to set him up on a date? Are you Brian?
Feck off ya hoor ye! Conlon has some operation. 1,000+ employees. Multi million pound turn over. All started with a loan from the Credit Union.
Know all about it. A mate worked for FD in the 90s. You've done well for yourself 5 Sams.
Both my sisters in law and my cousin work for FD. Top company.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 19, 2016, 11:23:35 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 19, 2016, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Google Brian Conlon and his company First Derivatives Seafóid. Ex county player for Down. Global player based out of Newry. PM me if you want more details.
Are you trying to set him up on a date? Are you Brian?
Feck off ya hoor ye! Conlon has some operation. 1,000+ employees. Multi million pound turn over. All started with a loan from the Credit Union.
Know all about it. A mate worked for FD in the 90s. You've done well for yourself 5 Sams.
Fcuk all to do with me. Played a bitta ball with Brian in the 80s and 90s. Serious operator. If it wasn't for a freak injury playing for QUB in the 80s he would have two All Ireland medals. He was that good.
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 19, 2016, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
What industries does NI specialise in, other than welfare ?
Google Brian Conlon and his company First Derivatives Seafóid. Ex county player for Down. Global player based out of Newry. PM me if you want more details.
Great organisation.
If I had been 20 years younger I'd could have ended up working for them! Not many of us anticipated such a company in Newry when I was at the Abbey. Fair douze.
The wee pharma company up by the train station isn't doing too bad for Newry either, nor the wee Dimplex Crew.
@Tony Baloney, I was just stating the benefits of the unions over single case situations with a solicitor. The unions are a dying beast in some industries and not necessary in others but in the likes of the public sector they are vital in my opinion as you're dealing with tax payers money and a government who will cut the shit out of whatever they feel is weakest. A strong Union is keep to protect them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
If they rejected the deal over an extra hour on a Friday and a 2 year pay freeze in a period of low inflation, then they are an amazing shower of mugs. Shocking stuff!
Was great finishing up at 11.45am on a Friday.... But Franko knows a man who has a twitter account that will tell you something else...
Not me MR2. I doubt your slovenly attitude towards work must extend to your posting here also.
Quote from: Franko on February 20, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
If they rejected the deal over an extra hour on a Friday and a 2 year pay freeze in a period of low inflation, then they are an amazing shower of mugs. Shocking stuff!
Was great finishing up at 11.45am on a Friday.... But Franko knows a man who has a twitter account that will tell you something else...
Not me MR2. I doubt your slovenly attitude towards work must extend to your posting here also.
So that's you admitting you're full of shite?? Apology accepted ;)
To answer a post you put to me before, in not an expert in anything I post unless its something I've worked at..... I've asked more questions about things on these threads than purport to know everything.. Unless you've noticed everybody on a discussion board has a view point, you don't agree with everybody, calling me names, cnut,sloth and whatever else has no value to your contribution (IMHO)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 20, 2016, 09:49:09 AM
The wee pharma company up by the train station isn't doing too bad for Newry either, nor the wee Dimplex Crew.
@Tony Baloney, I was just stating the benefits of the unions over single case situations with a solicitor. The unions are a dying beast in some industries and not necessary in others but in the likes of the public sector they are vital in my opinion as you're dealing with tax payers money and a government who will cut the shit out of whatever they feel is weakest. A strong Union is keep to protect them.
But the civil service doesn't give a shit about the tax - payers money. Through self-interest the unions prevent the rest of the tax paying public from having an efficient, cost - effective public sector.
Was talking to someone who works in the technical side in Bombardier.... 580 to lose jobs in first year 500 next year.... Belfast seems to have been hit the hardest. There will be some casual losses first and possible packages for earlier redundancy.... But will be down to manager appraisals! He said that if they got rid of the dead wood they'd operate a lot more effectively and efficiently..... I wonder what dead wood means??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 04:33:11 PM
Was talking to someone who works in the technical side in Bombardier.... 580 to lose jobs in first year 500 next year.... Belfast seems to have been hit the hardest. There will be some casual losses first and possible packages for earlier redundancy.... But will be down to manager appraisals! He said that if they got rid of the dead wood they'd operate a lot more effectively and efficiently..... I wonder what dead wood means??
I would imagine that a place like Bombardier operates to strict lean manufacturing principles so of there is little chance of addional savings there then getting rid of staff is the last option available. Every company has passengers so after getting rid of temps, contractors and early retirement and dead wood as you say the actual cuts might not be too deep for the hard - working, technically competent staff at the factory. I have been there, done that and it's no craic!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 20, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
If they rejected the deal over an extra hour on a Friday and a 2 year pay freeze in a period of low inflation, then they are an amazing shower of mugs. Shocking stuff!
Was great finishing up at 11.45am on a Friday.... But Franko knows a man who has a twitter account that will tell you something else...
Not me MR2. I doubt your slovenly attitude towards work must extend to your posting here also.
So that's you admitting you're full of shite?? Apology accepted ;)
To answer a post you put to me before, in not an expert in anything I post unless its something I've worked at..... I've asked more questions about things on these threads than purport to know everything.. Unless you've noticed everybody on a discussion board has a view point, you don't agree with everybody, calling me names, cnut,sloth and whatever else has no value to your contribution (IMHO)
Erm... Sorry to knock you off your high horse but the first one to resort to petty name calling was yourself. And no, it's not an apology, it's me telling you that I wasn't the person who was quoting the Twitter link, contrary to your assertions. Try to keep up, you really are making yourself look silly here.
Quote from: Franko on February 20, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 20, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
If they rejected the deal over an extra hour on a Friday and a 2 year pay freeze in a period of low inflation, then they are an amazing shower of mugs. Shocking stuff!
Was great finishing up at 11.45am on a Friday.... But Franko knows a man who has a twitter account that will tell you something else...
Not me MR2. I doubt your slovenly attitude towards work must extend to your posting here also.
So that's you admitting you're full of shite?? Apology accepted ;)
To answer a post you put to me before, in not an expert in anything I post unless its something I've worked at..... I've asked more questions about things on these threads than purport to know everything.. Unless you've noticed everybody on a discussion board has a view point, you don't agree with everybody, calling me names, cnut,sloth and whatever else has no value to your contribution (IMHO)
Erm... Sorry to knock you off your high horse but the first one to resort to petty name calling was yourself. And no, it's not an apology, it's me telling you that I wasn't the person who was quoting the Twitter link, contrary to your assertions. Try to keep up, you really are making yourself look silly here.
Ok
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 20, 2016, 05:01:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 04:33:11 PM
Was talking to someone who works in the technical side in Bombardier.... 580 to lose jobs in first year 500 next year.... Belfast seems to have been hit the hardest. There will be some casual losses first and possible packages for earlier redundancy.... But will be down to manager appraisals! He said that if they got rid of the dead wood they'd operate a lot more effectively and efficiently..... I wonder what dead wood means??
I would imagine that a place like Bombardier operates to strict lean manufacturing principles so of there is little chance of addional savings there then getting rid of staff is the last option available. Every company has passengers so after getting rid of temps, contractors and early retirement and dead wood as you say the actual cuts might not be too deep for the hard - working, technically competent staff at the factory. I have been there, done that and it's no craic!
Is it just bombardier staff in Belfast being made redundant ?
Quote from: Minder on February 20, 2016, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 20, 2016, 05:01:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 04:33:11 PM
Was talking to someone who works in the technical side in Bombardier.... 580 to lose jobs in first year 500 next year.... Belfast seems to have been hit the hardest. There will be some casual losses first and possible packages for earlier redundancy.... But will be down to manager appraisals! He said that if they got rid of the dead wood they'd operate a lot more effectively and efficiently..... I wonder what dead wood means??
I would imagine that a place like Bombardier operates to strict lean manufacturing principles so of there is little chance of addional savings there then getting rid of staff is the last option available. Every company has passengers so after getting rid of temps, contractors and early retirement and dead wood as you say the actual cuts might not be too deep for the hard - working, technically competent staff at the factory. I have been there, done that and it's no craic!
Is it just bombardier staff in Belfast being made redundant ?
7000 overall bombardier companies and the 3 main plants in Belfast will be over 1000, across-the-board i.e management right down and through all departments.... Composites side of things are doing really well but they may lose some skill sets which will be hard to replace.... Also no apprentices taken on, which is huge, as it will have a knock on effect when business picks up.... They'd just opened up a brand new spot at the old Nortel factory to accommodate new apprentices....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 20, 2016, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 20, 2016, 05:01:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 04:33:11 PM
Was talking to someone who works in the technical side in Bombardier.... 580 to lose jobs in first year 500 next year.... Belfast seems to have been hit the hardest. There will be some casual losses first and possible packages for earlier redundancy.... But will be down to manager appraisals! He said that if they got rid of the dead wood they'd operate a lot more effectively and efficiently..... I wonder what dead wood means??
I would imagine that a place like Bombardier operates to strict lean manufacturing principles so of there is little chance of addional savings there then getting rid of staff is the last option available. Every company has passengers so after getting rid of temps, contractors and early retirement and dead wood as you say the actual cuts might not be too deep for the hard - working, technically competent staff at the factory. I have been there, done that and it's no craic!
Is it just bombardier staff in Belfast being made redundant ?
7000 overall bombardier companies and the 3 main plants in Belfast will be over 1000, across-the-board i.e management right down and through all departments.... Composites side of things are doing really well but they may lose some skill sets which will be hard to replace.... Also no apprentices taken on, which is huge, as it will have a knock on effect when business picks up.... They'd just opened up a brand new spot at the old Nortel factory to accommodate new apprentices....
Didn't realise the old site on Doagh Road was being used. Good to see it, it was a shame to see the plant being mothballed.
Newton Emerson in the Irish News maintains the Union advised it's members to accept the cost cutting measures ???
Quote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2016, 09:51:44 PM
Newton Emerson in the Irish News maintains the Union advised it's members to accept the cost cutting measures ???
Aye saw that earlier and meant to mention it.
Says so in the Guardian too.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/17/bombardier-7000-job-losses-worldwide (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/17/bombardier-7000-job-losses-worldwide)
Employees not wise then.
There's a good chance that there's a last in, first out policy in place so a lot voting would know that and vote accordingly. Very hard for company's to introduce any sort of talent segmentation process in such an institutionalized place like Shorts.
The 'deadwood' could very well be safe
Quote from: johnneycool on February 21, 2016, 09:46:03 AM
There's a good chance that there's a last in, first out policy in place so a lot voting would know that and vote accordingly. Very hard for company's to introduce any sort of talent segmentation process in such an institutionalized place like Shorts.
The 'deadwood' could very well be safe
Staff appraisals by your immediate line manager..... Was a points system when I was there 1999, basically you started with x number of points due to service (time working there) but if you'd generated warnings due to attendance timekeeping getting caught smoking (which was very common) you'd have lost points.... And points gain based on your ability to do job....
Not sure they will use that, there was no redundancy package
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 21, 2016, 09:46:03 AM
There's a good chance that there's a last in, first out policy in place so a lot voting would know that and vote accordingly. Very hard for company's to introduce any sort of talent segmentation process in such an institutionalized place like Shorts.
The 'deadwood' could very well be safe
Staff appraisals by your immediate line manager..... Was a points system when I was there 1999, basically you started with x number of points due to service (time working there) but if you'd generated warnings due to attendance timekeeping getting caught smoking (which was very common) you'd have lost points.... And points gain based on your ability to do job....
Not sure they will use that, there was no redundancy package
Appraisal scores are alright until they see the cost of laying off hundreds of long - timers. In an ideal world they'd keep the best people.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2016, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2016, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 21, 2016, 09:46:03 AM
There's a good chance that there's a last in, first out policy in place so a lot voting would know that and vote accordingly. Very hard for company's to introduce any sort of talent segmentation process in such an institutionalized place like Shorts.
The 'deadwood' could very well be safe
Staff appraisals by your immediate line manager..... Was a points system when I was there 1999, basically you started with x number of points due to service (time working there) but if you'd generated warnings due to attendance timekeeping getting caught smoking (which was very common) you'd have lost points.... And points gain based on your ability to do job....
Not sure they will use that, there was no redundancy package
Appraisal scores are alright until they see the cost of laying off hundreds of long - timers. In an ideal world they'd keep the best people.
I agree and speaking to that lad yesterday, he stated that if they (and they are looking to do it) fixed it that they fid lose the dead wood they company could become more efficient and competitive...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 05:05:19 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 20, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2016, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 20, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35059735
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 19, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
FAO MilltownRow2 From his Twitter - @JP_BIZ "Local boss of Bombardier says job cuts would still have happened even if workers had accepted pay deal last year. Issue not resolved."
If they rejected the deal over an extra hour on a Friday and a 2 year pay freeze in a period of low inflation, then they are an amazing shower of mugs. Shocking stuff!
Was great finishing up at 11.45am on a Friday.... But Franko knows a man who has a twitter account that will tell you something else...
Not me MR2. I doubt your slovenly attitude towards work must extend to your posting here also.
So that's you admitting you're full of shite?? Apology accepted ;)
To answer a post you put to me before, in not an expert in anything I post unless its something I've worked at..... I've asked more questions about things on these threads than purport to know everything.. Unless you've noticed everybody on a discussion board has a view point, you don't agree with everybody, calling me names, cnut,sloth and whatever else has no value to your contribution (IMHO)
Erm... Sorry to knock you off your high horse but the first one to resort to petty name calling was yourself. And no, it's not an apology, it's me telling you that I wasn't the person who was quoting the Twitter link, contrary to your assertions. Try to keep up, you really are making yourself look silly here.
Ok
Apology accepted
QuoteThere's a good chance that there's a last in, first out policy in place so a lot voting would know that and vote accordingly.
I doubt that very much. LIFO policies led to indirect discrimination and have been scrapped by any employers in receipt of govt funding as well as most other large employers.
Maybe in the very recent past as I worked for a company employing 800 plus and 5 years ago they'd a last in, first out policy for collective bargaining (shopfloor) staff and the unions fought tooth and nail to keep it in place.
Quote from: johnneycool on February 21, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
Maybe in the very recent past as I worked for a company employing 800 plus and 5 years ago they'd a last in, first out policy for collective bargaining (shopfloor) staff and the unions fought tooth and nail to keep it in place.
I think schools do it also, wife mentioned it the other day...
Re the early finish on Fridays - if I'm not mistaken, they start earlier during the week in Bombardier (not sure what way it works for the shift workers) to make up for the early finish on Fri. So what is portrayed as not agreeing to finish at a very reasonable time on Fridays, is actually not agreeing to unpaid overtime, no? I seriously doubt this and pay freezes would have saved 7,000 jobs globally, given the rate the C-Series is leaking cash.
Re Unions, I think they have a place; it does give workers a necessary voice and protection. However, they have to be responsible too - they can't just back any member regardless of how useless they are, which is certainly what happens in the civil service, to great detriment.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 22, 2016, 09:30:51 AM
Re the early finish on Fridays - if I'm not mistaken, they start earlier during the week in Bombardier (not sure what way it works for the shift workers) to make up for the early finish on Fri. So what is portrayed as not agreeing to finish at a very reasonable time on Fridays, is actually not agreeing to unpaid overtime, no? I seriously doubt this and pay freezes would have saved 7,000 jobs globally, given the rate the C-Series is leaking cash.
Re Unions, I think they have a place; it does give workers a necessary voice and protection. However, they have to be responsible too - they can't just back any member regardless of how useless they are, which is certainly what happens in the civil service, to great detriment.
They start at 7.25am (main daytime shift) every day have done so as far back to the nineties... They were asked to work longer to 1.00pm I think... The 7000 jobs were across all of Bombardiers companies throughout the world..... Look at cost cutting you're own and it could have reduced the numbers from shorts.... We'll never know... Two year pay freeze isn't great but Shorts is a good wage earner
On a brighter note, I read a good story about 21 firms in the north who made a
London Stock Exchange's '1000 Companies to Inspire Britain'.
On a personal level, I work for one of the 21, and as I hear about job losses on a continual
basis, i'm happy with my lot and glad to work for a company continually expanding. There is a great
satisfaction and peace of mind going to work.
Loosing your job through no fault of your own must be a devastating experience. A lot of people
are sadly facing that experience very soon.
http://www.irishnews.com/business/2016/02/22/news/21-northern-firms-included-in-british-business-elite-list-423712/
https://www.ft.com/content/2de9932c-a315-11e7-9e4f-7f5e6a7c98a2
" The ruling against the Montreal-based company by the US Department of Commerce to impose preliminary tariffs of up to 219 per cent came after Boeing alleged that Bombardier had been able to sell its regional C Series jets at below cost into the US because of subsidies from the UK and Canada. A final ruling in the case is not expected until early next year.
The ruling will increase tensions with Canada and the UK, which both deny any wrongdoing and threaten to boycott Boeing as a result of the dispute.
The decision could also put at risk some of Bombardier's 28,000 aerospace jobs and imperil the future of its Belfast factory. The Northern Ireland facility makes wings for several of the company's aircraft including the C Series and employs 4,500 people. "
Boeing directly employ more than 2,000 people across the water and through their supply chain partners and sub contractors safeguard approx 10,000 other jobs in Britain. A load of bluster today from May and Fallon. They won't do a thing to jeopardise those jobs.
Arlene Foster was relying on May's special friend and special relationship with Trump. Like Trump was going to help a Canadian company, eh?
Quote from: seafoid on September 27, 2017, 02:14:11 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/2de9932c-a315-11e7-9e4f-7f5e6a7c98a2
" The ruling against the Montreal-based company by the US Department of Commerce to impose preliminary tariffs of up to 219 per cent came after Boeing alleged that Bombardier had been able to sell its regional C Series jets at below cost into the US because of subsidies from the UK and Canada. A final ruling in the case is not expected until early next year.
The ruling will increase tensions with Canada and the UK, which both deny any wrongdoing and threaten to boycott Boeing as a result of the dispute.
The decision could also put at risk some of Bombardier's 28,000 aerospace jobs and imperil the future of its Belfast factory. The Northern Ireland facility makes wings for several of the company's aircraft including the C Series and employs 4,500 people. "
Respite for now
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-42825916?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_news_ni&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=northern_ireland
QuoteBombardier has won a trade case in the United States, overturning a decision to impose damaging tariffs on imports of its C-Series aircraft.
The UK government had suspected that the aerospace and transportation company would lose. Unions had feared sales and UK jobs would be hit.
But in a surprise ruling, the US International Trade Commission (ITC) rejected a complaint brought by Boeing.
The ITC voted 4-0 in favour of Bombardier.
They ruled that there was no injury to US manufacturers, effectively forcing the US Commerce Department to reverse course on retaliatory countermeasures designed to protect Boeing.
Tariffs of 292% will not now be imposed on orders of C-Series planes by American carriers.
What about the 250 power station workers losing their jobs today thanks to the 'All Island Economy'? Definitely a good start to persuading our unionist cousins that a UI will be good for the economy in N.Ireland and that there is a better future for them in a UI.
No re-run of the 1974 UWC strike & the power cuts then! All good!
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 26, 2018, 09:13:11 PM
What about the 250 power station workers losing their jobs today thanks to the 'All Island Economy'? Definitely a good start to persuading our unionist cousins that a UI will be good for the economy in N.Ireland and that there is a better future for them in a UI.
It's called capitalism. AES' bid in the energy auction was undercut by another supplier, but you jump in and basically blame republicanism ... pathetic.
Quote from: red hander on January 26, 2018, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 26, 2018, 09:13:11 PM
What about the 250 power station workers losing their jobs today thanks to the 'All Island Economy'? Definitely a good start to persuading our unionist cousins that a UI will be good for the economy in N.Ireland and that there is a better future for them in a UI.
It's called capitalism. AES' bid in the energy auction was undercut by another supplier, but you jump in and basically blame republicanism ... pathetic.
Who was blaming anyone? Seemed to have touched a nerve.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on January 26, 2018, 09:13:11 PM
What about the 250 power station workers losing their jobs today thanks to the 'All Island Economy'? Definitely a good start to persuading our unionist cousins that a UI will be good for the economy in N.Ireland and that there is a better future for them in a UI.
Nonsense. For company who loses a contract, another can bid to take over some other contract.
Did you teach economics?
Is that the Bórd na Móna owned AES that have Kilroot??
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2018, 11:58:44 PM
Is that the Bórd na Móna owned AES that have Kilroot??
Think it's the global listed AES that owns it...the power station was going to close in a couple of years, this announcement accelerated it.
Worrying times for Bombardier . . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48130991
Quote from: screenexile on May 02, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Worrying times for Bombardier . . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48130991
President and chief executive Alain Bellemare added: "With our clear vision for the future of Bombardier Aviation, we will focus our aerostructures activities around our core capabilities in Montréal, Mexico and our newly acquired Global 7500 wing operations in Texas.
"Collectively, these facilities provide Bombardier with all the skills, technologies and capabilities to design, produce and service the current and next generation of aircraft."
They obviously think their interest are best served elsewhere. It would make you think will potential buyers think the same. Worrying times indeed.
Let the mud slinging begin!
Quote from: TheOptimist on May 02, 2019, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 02, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Worrying times for Bombardier . . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48130991
President and chief executive Alain Bellemare added: "With our clear vision for the future of Bombardier Aviation, we will focus our aerostructures activities around our core capabilities in Montréal, Mexico and our newly acquired Global 7500 wing operations in Texas.
"Collectively, these facilities provide Bombardier with all the skills, technologies and capabilities to design, produce and service the current and next generation of aircraft."
They obviously think their interest are best served elsewhere. It would make you think will potential buyers think the same. Worrying times indeed.
Let the mud slinging begin!
Brexit and SF.
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on May 02, 2019, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 02, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Worrying times for Bombardier . . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48130991
President and chief executive Alain Bellemare added: "With our clear vision for the future of Bombardier Aviation, we will focus our aerostructures activities around our core capabilities in Montréal, Mexico and our newly acquired Global 7500 wing operations in Texas.
"Collectively, these facilities provide Bombardier with all the skills, technologies and capabilities to design, produce and service the current and next generation of aircraft."
They obviously think their interest are best served elsewhere. It would make you think will potential buyers think the same. Worrying times indeed.
Let the mud slinging begin!
Brexit and SF.
Don't forget the Unions
Quote from: TheOptimist on May 02, 2019, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on May 02, 2019, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 02, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Worrying times for Bombardier . . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48130991
President and chief executive Alain Bellemare added: "With our clear vision for the future of Bombardier Aviation, we will focus our aerostructures activities around our core capabilities in Montréal, Mexico and our newly acquired Global 7500 wing operations in Texas.
"Collectively, these facilities provide Bombardier with all the skills, technologies and capabilities to design, produce and service the current and next generation of aircraft."
They obviously think their interest are best served elsewhere. It would make you think will potential buyers think the same. Worrying times indeed.
Let the mud slinging begin!
Brexit and SF.
Don't forget the Unions
Sorry. My bad.
Quote from: screenexile on May 02, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Worrying times for Bombardier . . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48130991
The more the NI economy fails, the more attractive a United Ireland will look
Thats rotten, Shorts has a very skilled workforce with great design teams that have made some signifcant breakthroughs within the carbon fiber industry. Should they not get another buyer then it will be curtains to another skilled workforce that will be lost.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2019, 01:26:45 PM
Thats rotten, Shorts has a very skilled workforce with great design teams that have made some signifcant breakthroughs within the carbon fiber industry. Should they not get another buyer then it will be curtains to another skilled workforce that will be lost.
Only obvious buyer is the EU's Airbus and why would they move to the north with all the Brexit uncertainty, no gov, and bail out DUP politicians who are rabidly Anti-EU and refused to listen to Bombardier's warnings.
Quote from: weareros on May 02, 2019, 01:49:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2019, 01:26:45 PM
Thats rotten, Shorts has a very skilled workforce with great design teams that have made some signifcant breakthroughs within the carbon fiber industry. Should they not get another buyer then it will be curtains to another skilled workforce that will be lost.
Only obvious buyer is the EU's Airbus and why would they move to the north with all the Brexit uncertainty, no gov, and bail out DUP politicians who are rabidly Anti-EU and refused to listen to Bombardier's warnings.
If Airbus were interested you would question why they hadnt done the deal behind closed doors. I'm sure their JV agreement would have some right of first refusal on the C Series element
Quote from: TheOptimist on May 02, 2019, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on May 02, 2019, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 02, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Worrying times for Bombardier . . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48130991
President and chief executive Alain Bellemare added: "With our clear vision for the future of Bombardier Aviation, we will focus our aerostructures activities around our core capabilities in Montréal, Mexico and our newly acquired Global 7500 wing operations in Texas.
"Collectively, these facilities provide Bombardier with all the skills, technologies and capabilities to design, produce and service the current and next generation of aircraft."
They obviously think their interest are best served elsewhere. It would make you think will potential buyers think the same. Worrying times indeed.
Let the mud slinging begin!
Brexit and SF.
Don't forget the Unionists
In the interest of balance
The DUP are like the Tories. They devoted all of their energy of the last 3 years to a fantasy that delivered nothing and severely damaged the credibility of the UK in the world of industry .
Dodds 10 Apr
https://mobile.twitter.com/duponline/status/1116332012858744832
Dodds 28 Mar
https://mobile.twitter.com/duponline/status/1111348582341320704
Dodds 25 Mar
https://mobile.twitter.com/duponline/status/1110226310218043393
Hermon to Sammy
https://mobile.twitter.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1103344224907546629
Sammy Wilson lies
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/discover/watch-claire-byrne-and-sammy-wilson-in-dispute-over-leo-varadkars-threats-905495.html?__twitter_impression=true
C4news UI
https://youtu.be/gBtuwSixYoE
DUP want better deal
https://mobile.twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1070461783700267008
Foster address
https://mobile.twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1066346599016738817
DUP salute Brexit
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1066353120375128065
May exploit chaos
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/may-must-exploit-chaos-in-brussels-and-dublin-to-get-better-brexit-deal-dups-wilson-37756560.html
Sammy Wilson chips
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dups-sammy-wilson-says-people-should-go-to-the-chippy-in-event-of-brexit-food-shortages-37762888.html
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/a-referendum-on-irish-unity-might-be-the-best-way-to-solve-the-brexit-border-issue/
DUP exploit chaos
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/may-must-exploit-chaos-in-brussels-and-dublin-to-get-better-brexit-deal-dups-wilson-37756560.html
"Chaos in Dublin and Brussels"
:) ;D ;D :D :)
Quote from: seafoid on May 02, 2019, 05:15:01 PM
The DUP are like the Tories. They devoted all of their energy of the last 3 years to a fantasy that delivered nothing and severely damaged the credibility of the UK in the world of industry .
Dodds 10 Apr
https://mobile.twitter.com/duponline/status/1116332012858744832
Dodds 28 Mar
https://mobile.twitter.com/duponline/status/1111348582341320704
Dodds 25 Mar
https://mobile.twitter.com/duponline/status/1110226310218043393
Hermon to Sammy
https://mobile.twitter.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1103344224907546629
Sammy Wilson lies
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/discover/watch-claire-byrne-and-sammy-wilson-in-dispute-over-leo-varadkars-threats-905495.html?__twitter_impression=true
C4news UI
https://youtu.be/gBtuwSixYoE
DUP want better deal
https://mobile.twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1070461783700267008
Foster address
https://mobile.twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1066346599016738817
DUP salute Brexit
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1066353120375128065
May exploit chaos
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/may-must-exploit-chaos-in-brussels-and-dublin-to-get-better-brexit-deal-dups-wilson-37756560.html
Sammy Wilson chips
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dups-sammy-wilson-says-people-should-go-to-the-chippy-in-event-of-brexit-food-shortages-37762888.html
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/a-referendum-on-irish-unity-might-be-the-best-way-to-solve-the-brexit-border-issue/
DUP exploit chaos
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/may-must-exploit-chaos-in-brussels-and-dublin-to-get-better-brexit-deal-dups-wilson-37756560.html
Wilson is right up there with Bryson and Frazer in imbecilic rants.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2019, 01:26:45 PM
Thats rotten, Shorts has a very skilled workforce with great design teams that have made some signifcant breakthroughs within the carbon fiber industry. Should they not get another buyer then it will be curtains to another skilled workforce that will be lost.
There are still one or two NI engineering companies that are growing and recruiting plenty of top quality talent.
They tend to be from west of the Bann but the best ones are making a dash eastwards ;)
Quote from: seafoid on May 02, 2019, 12:57:39 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 02, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Worrying times for Bombardier . . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48130991
The more the NI economy fails, the more attractive a United Ireland will look
Not to the taxpayers in the South.
Quote from: LeoMc on May 03, 2019, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 02, 2019, 12:57:39 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 02, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Worrying times for Bombardier . . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48130991
The more the NI economy fails, the more attractive a United Ireland will look
Not to the taxpayers in the South.
The North needs loads of investment judging by the what to do in Omagh thread.