We Need To Talk About Dropping The Knees Into Players On The Ground

[Taylor]

Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.

Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems

Wait, is it one rule for Tyrone, and a different one for Connolly, and a different one again for Lee Keegan, and a different one for everyone else? Or is it One rule for Tyrone, Connolly and Keegan and a different one for everyone else?

Ok, yes. One rule for us and those two

[Il Bomber Destro]

Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.

Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems

Wait, is it one rule for Tyrone, and a different one for Connolly, and a different one again for Lee Keegan, and a different one for everyone else? Or is it One rule for Tyrone, Connolly and Keegan and a different one for everyone else?

Any indiscretion committed by a Tyrone player is put recorded on a piece of paper and filed away and brought up in terms of the conduct of Tyrone at every opportunity, this also happens to a lesser degree with other Ulster counties, depending on how successful they are.

Connolly is suffering from a track record of lashing out, he is now judged through that record rather than the act he commits now. He is paying for his past sins as he is quite regularly targeted with little protection from referees as teams know we could snap.

Keegan has got away with underhand tactics without commentary for a long time, this has came into the focus now so he will need to be careful about how he goes on now as the same tactics could likely backfire.

What separates Tyrone and to a lesser degree, other Ulsters counties from the rest is that any indiscretion committed by them is held in record ready to be brought up again whereas any indiscretions from Mayo/Kerry/Dublin etc are shredded a week after they happen and not recalled when they repeat these offences.

[manfromdelmonte]

this has been going on for years
only being brought up now

[Taylor]

Any word from the authorities on Saturday nights incident or are we sweeping it under the carpet because TSG didnt make enough noise about it?

[Owen Brannigan]

As bad as some the actions in the Down game, none were nearly as bad as the assault on John Mac. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY

Worse one of these that I can remember. It's a dangerous and cowardly act.

The other coward in this incident was the referee who issued a yellow card.  Topped only by the moral bankruptcy of those who appealed the eventual red card under the guise of complaining the disciplinary committee had over stepped the mark in extending the yellow to a red.  At least Connolly was willing to take his punishment.

The extract below refers to the video action above and is taken from Harte by Mickey Harte.


So, this deliberate action that could have broken John Mac's neck 'wasn't pretty' according to Mr Harte who also thought that 'Ryan had landed with his knees on McEntee's chest'?

Has any other player served a ban for what McMenamin did?

I think we can all say that it's not an uncommon act at all.

1. So, if it is uncommon it is not a problem when a player is assaulted in this manner?

2. Why would another player serve a ban for something that McMenamin did?

3. Nothing to say about the attitude of the Tyrone manager towards an assault by McMenamin that was deliberate and highly dangerous?

4. The reason why incidents by Tyrone players are held on record is because the manager wrote about them and there were so many to record for future use. 

5. Don't think any Tyrone player has been subjected to as many column inches and posts as Diarmuid Connolly.

[Geoff Tipps]

Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.

Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems

Wait, is it one rule for Tyrone, and a different one for Connolly, and a different one again for Lee Keegan, and a different one for everyone else? Or is it One rule for Tyrone, Connolly and Keegan and a different one for everyone else?

Any indiscretion committed by a Tyrone player is put recorded on a piece of paper and filed away and brought up in terms of the conduct of Tyrone at every opportunity, this also happens to a lesser degree with other Ulster counties, depending on how successful they are.

Connolly is suffering from a track record of lashing out, he is now judged through that record rather than the act he commits now. He is paying for his past sins as he is quite regularly targeted with little protection from referees as teams know we could snap.

Keegan has got away with underhand tactics without commentary for a long time, this has came into the focus now so he will need to be careful about how he goes on now as the same tactics could likely backfire.

What separates Tyrone and to a lesser degree, other Ulsters counties from the rest is that any indiscretion committed by them is held in record ready to be brought up again whereas any indiscretions from Mayo/Kerry/Dublin etc are shredded a week after they happen and not recalled when they repeat these offences.

Where do they keep these records?? Why don't you set up a rival set of archives to record indiscretions from the other counties you mention?
Then you can bring them up and bore everyone off with them.

[Owen Brannigan]

Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.

Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems

Wait, is it one rule for Tyrone, and a different one for Connolly, and a different one again for Lee Keegan, and a different one for everyone else? Or is it One rule for Tyrone, Connolly and Keegan and a different one for everyone else?

Any indiscretion committed by a Tyrone player is put recorded on a piece of paper and filed away and brought up in terms of the conduct of Tyrone at every opportunity, this also happens to a lesser degree with other Ulster counties, depending on how successful they are.

Connolly is suffering from a track record of lashing out, he is now judged through that record rather than the act he commits now. He is paying for his past sins as he is quite regularly targeted with little protection from referees as teams know we could snap.

Keegan has got away with underhand tactics without commentary for a long time, this has came into the focus now so he will need to be careful about how he goes on now as the same tactics could likely backfire.

What separates Tyrone and to a lesser degree, other Ulsters counties from the rest is that any indiscretion committed by them is held in record ready to be brought up again whereas any indiscretions from Mayo/Kerry/Dublin etc are shredded a week after they happen and not recalled when they repeat these offences.

Where do they keep these records?? Why don't you set up a rival set of archives to record indiscretions from the other counties you mention?
Then you can bring them up and bore everyone off with them.

+1

[Il Bomber Destro]

1. So, if it is uncommon it is not a problem when a player is assaulted in this manner?

2. Why would another player serve a ban for something that McMenamin did?

3. Nothing to say about the attitude of the Tyrone manager towards an assault by McMenamin that was deliberate and highly dangerous?

4. The reason why incidents by Tyrone players are held on record is because the manager wrote about them and there were so many to record for future use. 

5. Don't think any Tyrone player has been subjected to as many column inches and posts as Diarmuid Connolly.

1. I've said it's not uncommon, players following in with the knees and collapsing on someone with their knees has been around for a while

2. There are instances where other players have dropped the knees on a player like McMenamin did without a ban, it's not an uncommon thing. McMenamin is the only player I recall getting banned for that particular act.

3. Manager in downplaying an act by one of his players shocker. Did Joe Kernan come out and look for Enda McNulty to serve a jail sentence after what he did to Martin McGrath in 2004 or does you faux outrage only extend when you're the sinned against. Kernan constantly defended his players against any criticism of their perceived bully boy tactics when he was charge. What did you think of that.

4. Really? Let's look at Dublin for instance, under Gavin they have been involved in two biting allegations, a 30 man brawl in a behind doors friendly match, a gouging incident, they currently have a player suspended for manhandling a referee but I have heard Jim Gavin gloss over these acts. Why has no pundit came out and said there's a bad smell about Dublin. The only two GAA players to fail an in competition drugs test have been Kerry players. Why has no came out and said systematic doping follows Kerry GAA around like a bad smell.

5. I don't think Dublin GAA have been tarred by Connolly, Philly McMahon, Eoghan O'Gara, Johnny Cooper or Kevin O'Brien's transgressions - on the other hand anything McMenamin, Gormley, Jordan and McCann have done untoward in a Tyrone jersey seems to be logged in for future reference.

[Main Street]

No issue with TSG mentioning these incidents at all......the issue is the CCCCCCCC seem to go after players in many of the instances only after TSG have brought it up.

TSG didnt highlight this incident or call for retrospective bans - this is the chance for the CCCCC to show TSG have no influence

Given that TSG airs live and then has highlights the same evening as most of the games, what opportunity is there for the CCC to do anything BEFORE Spillane and co. have their say?

And if they don't, in the case of the Down-Monaghan game (I haven't seen the incident), do anything, will that be because the ref didn't put it in his report or because RTE didn't make a stink?

And if its the latter, then are we saying that they SHOULD leave these things alone if the ref hasn't raised it?

Or do we expect the CCC to go through EVERY match to see if there was anything missed by the ref?

With no cause for action, prompted by dubious quality video, the CCCC went out of their way to get that Antrim player for a minor scuff, which at most if proven (after a lot of investigation)  would call for a one game ban.
The evidence is there that the CCCC zealously go after their man, regardless of TSG punditry.

There is no evidence to support the contention that the CCCC were influenced by TSG pundits in reviewing the Connolly incident. Any person with a bit of common sense could see that there was a clear cause for action for a serious (12 weeks worth) disciplinary incident  to be reviewed by the CCCC, regardless of the SG pundits intervention and regardless of the officials' action on the day.

[Taylor]

No issue with TSG mentioning these incidents at all......the issue is the CCCCCCCC seem to go after players in many of the instances only after TSG have brought it up.

TSG didnt highlight this incident or call for retrospective bans - this is the chance for the CCCCC to show TSG have no influence

Given that TSG airs live and then has highlights the same evening as most of the games, what opportunity is there for the CCC to do anything BEFORE Spillane and co. have their say?

And if they don't, in the case of the Down-Monaghan game (I haven't seen the incident), do anything, will that be because the ref didn't put it in his report or because RTE didn't make a stink?

And if its the latter, then are we saying that they SHOULD leave these things alone if the ref hasn't raised it?

Or do we expect the CCC to go through EVERY match to see if there was anything missed by the ref?

With no cause for action, prompted by dubious quality video, the CCCC went out of their way to get that Antrim player for a minor scuff, which at most if proven (after a lot of investigation)  would call for a one game ban.
The evidence is there that the CCCC zealously go after their man, regardless of TSG punditry.

There is no evidence to support the contention that the CCCC were influenced by TSG pundits in reviewing the Connolly incident. Any person with a bit of common sense could see that there was a clear cause for action for a serious (12 weeks worth) disciplinary incident  to be reviewed by the CCCC, regardless of the SG pundits intervention and regardless of the officials' action on the day.

If TSG analysts had went through the slo mo on Saturday night, said how dangerous it was etc and then call for a ban do you think something would happen?? The media would have all ran with the story and people would be baying for blood. The CCCCCcC would have had to act given how serious the incident was.

None of the above happened. And the CCCCCc have swept the incident under the carpet

[Samforever]

No issue with TSG mentioning these incidents at all......the issue is the CCCCCCCC seem to go after players in many of the instances only after TSG have brought it up.

TSG didnt highlight this incident or call for retrospective bans - this is the chance for the CCCCC to show TSG have no influence

Given that TSG airs live and then has highlights the same evening as most of the games, what opportunity is there for the CCC to do anything BEFORE Spillane and co. have their say?

And if they don't, in the case of the Down-Monaghan game (I haven't seen the incident), do anything, will that be because the ref didn't put it in his report or because RTE didn't make a stink?

And if its the latter, then are we saying that they SHOULD leave these things alone if the ref hasn't raised it?

Or do we expect the CCC to go through EVERY match to see if there was anything missed by the ref?

With no cause for action, prompted by dubious quality video, the CCCC went out of their way to get that Antrim player for a minor scuff, which at most if proven (after a lot of investigation)  would call for a one game ban.
The evidence is there that the CCCC zealously go after their man, regardless of TSG punditry.

There is no evidence to support the contention that the CCCC were influenced by TSG pundits in reviewing the Connolly incident. Any person with a bit of common sense could see that there was a clear cause for action for a serious (12 weeks worth) disciplinary incident  to be reviewed by the CCCC, regardless of the SG pundits intervention and regardless of the officials' action on the day.

If TSG analysts had went through the slo mo on Saturday night, said how dangerous it was etc and then call for a ban do you think something would happen?? The media would have all ran with the story and people would be baying for blood. The CCCCCcC would have had to act given how serious the incident was.

None of the above happened. And the CCCCCc have swept the incident under the carpet

You've got this bad Taylor. Time to let go. Must have had some bet on

[Fuzzman]

Can someone clarify for me the process.
Do the CCCC have their meeting on a Monday and review any incidents from the weekend and if they find something of interest do they have to ask the referee to review it or can they just go themselves and act on it without the referee's intervention?

Is it possible that yesterday they asked the ref about the Down incidents and he decided nothing further was required?

I think as a first step, they want to remove the part of the rule which says if the ref has already dealt with it then they can't look at it again. If that was gone it would make it a lot easier for them to review ALL incidents, even those that the refs made the wrong call. The whole purpose here is to serve justice and not just be letting certain people off their punishment just because their is a loophole.

[Taylor]

It wasnt brought up on TSG Fuzz which one can only assume is why nothing has happened.

The CCCCCC need to be transparent.

[johnneycool]

Trial by TV/pundits. Waterford hurler receives a retrospective 1 match ban for a faceguard pull;

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272259

I've no problem with this providing there's consistency and obviously that all games are video'd and watched back, well at intercounty level anyway and that won't happen any time soon.

[mup]

It wasnt brought up on TSG Fuzz which one can only assume is why nothing has happened.

The CCCCCC need to be transparent.

How many more times are you going to repeat the same post?

If you are that put out over it then contact the proper authorities instead of coming on to a message board whinging continuously.