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So here we go, can't wait for this game. Mayo got exactly what they needed out of today, got the win, played in second gear and didn't show their full hand yet. I think the Galway forwards have the beating of the Mayo backs but our defence is our weak link. Midfield will have a big bearing, Ó Curraoin and Conroy need to really put it up to Seamie O'Shea and Tom Parsons, Fiontán especially.

Quote from: Duine Eile on May 21, 2017, 11:17:17 PM
So here we go, can't wait for this game. Mayo got exactly what they needed out of today, got the win, played in second gear and didn't show their full hand yet. I think the Galway forwards have the beating of the Mayo backs but our defence is our weak link. Midfield will have a big bearing, Ó Curraoin and Conroy need to really put it up to Seamie O'Shea and Tom Parsons, Fiontán especially.

That was said last year also before the Mayo game but the defensive Galway system ended up holding Mayo to 12 points. While Galway have some good forwards the Mayo backs will take some beating so don't expect this game to be high scoring.

Any word on Mcloughlin's injury?

Quote from: macdanger2 on May 21, 2017, 11:50:49 PM
Any word on Mcloughlin's injury?

Missed that, what happened to him? Seamie O'Shea got a nasty knock to the head as well, looked fairly groggy going off. The Galway defence played out of their skins last year, that same 6 haven't played together yet this year, David Walsh doesn't inspire me with confidence at full back and our entire half back line are very attack minded which leaves us very open at times. I think we also need to keep Keegan and Durcan as busy as possible in their own defence, our wing forwards track back quite a lot which will suit those two just fine, we need to keep them away from scoring opportunities as much as possible.

It looked like a dead leg or knock of some sort for McLoughlin. Hopefully Harisson is back for us as well.

One of the things I read after the drawn Connacht final last year between Galway and Ros was that neither team knew how to put a match away after 5 years living under the shadow of Mayo. This match is another learning session for Galway .

In 2012 both Mayo and Galway hurlers reached the All Ireland final and lost. Galway hurlers lost another 1 and Mayo 2 but Mayo''s experience seems to have been much more traumatic  and emotionally intense.

Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2017, 05:06:24 AM
One of the things I read after the drawn Connacht final last year between Galway and Ros was that neither team knew how to put a match away after 5 years living under the shadow of Mayo. This match is another learning session for Galway .

In 2012 both Mayo and Galway hurlers reached the All Ireland final and lost. Galway hurlers lost another 1 and Mayo 2 but Mayo''s experience seems to have been much more traumatic  and emotionally intense.

No youtube link to a song? I'm disappointed seafoid. You're making it more intense

Galway seem to have the upper hand on us at all levels recently. Hard to see us winning in Salthill this year when we couldn't last year in Castlebar. A year older for our lads and a year more experience including promotion to Division 1 for Galways young guns.  We should certainly be going in as underdogs and with the amount of mileage on the clock for this team, I am afraid that the young legs in the Galway team could run rings around us again.

Quote from: Chimley on May 22, 2017, 02:38:11 PM
Galway seem to have the upper hand on us at all levels recently. Hard to see us winning in Salthill this year when we couldn't last year in Castlebar. A year older for our lads and a year more experience including promotion to Division 1 for Galways young guns.  We should certainly be going in as underdogs and with the amount of mileage on the clock for this team, I am afraid that the young legs in the Galway team could run rings around us again.

I would have serious reservations about our full-back line. It's going to be a similar enough looking full-back line to last year who were grand when they had a lot of protection in front of them but their lack of size and physique were later horribly exploited by Tipp. Some great young prospects coming through in that line for Galway but they won't be ready for another year or two yet. It doesn't help that nearly all our half-backs seem to prefer bombing up the pitch to defending and our centre-half looks like it's going to be a converted forward.

That said from midfield up it looks like Galway have plenty to worry Mayo with with a great mix of brute force, pace and skills. Depending on what combination of players he goes with.

I think it could be a dour enough low scoring game though as I don't think Walsh trusts that full-back line to hold up if they go one on one so the blanket may get another airing out of the cupboard.

Quote from: Chimley on May 22, 2017, 02:38:11 PM
We should certainly be going in as underdogs and with the amount of mileage on the clock for this team, I am afraid that the young legs in the Galway team could run rings around us again.

There is no way on earth Mayo will be underdogs for this match!!!

Mayo got caught on the hop last year, it is hard to imagine that they will do the same and sleepwalk into Salthill in three weeks time expecting that they only have to show up to get the win as from 2011 to 2015. Mayo will be happy enough with the game yesterday I'd imagine, easily kept Sligo at arms length, they were never in any danger of losing that match, have showed nothing in terms of new game plans and have a number of issues to look to improve upon.
The Mayo backs are going to be a tough nut for Galway to crack, Durcan was superb again yesterday and Harrison will be a big boost on his return. Plenty has been said about the Mayo HB line before but it's very formidable.
Galway will have to win the midfield battle as they did last year in Castlebar to have any chance. I'm not sure what to make of the Mayo forwards as a unit but the Galway backs are certainly considered the weakest part of the team.

That said, I think Galway are better this year than last year and it will be very disappointing if Galway don't put in a big performance in defence of their Connacht crown. Whether it will be enough to beat Mayo, assuming Mayo come at the level that they can play at, is doubtful given the clear gap between the top 5-6 sides and the chasing pack but it will be definitively answered on June 11th.

Get that wasp off my sangwidge!

I know he won All Star last year but who would Harrison replace in the Mayo back six of Barrett,Cafferky,Higgins,Boyle,Keegan,Durcan which is arguably their strongest defence.

AOS replacing his younger brother will probably be the only change to the starting 15 from yesterday.

Galway should be wary of the media taking them up. Many Galway supporters have the opinion they are better this year but I'm not sure what this is based on? The division 2 they got promoted out of was weaker than 2016 IMO and it remains to be seen how Galway will now fare in the much higher level of division one football.

Mayo to win for me because they will have a better goalkeeper starting this game a better defence,stronger midfield and D O Connor will be fit to start this game unlike last year

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2017, 04:52:12 PM
I know he won All Star last year but who would Harrison replace in the Mayo back six of Barrett,Cafferky,Higgins,Boyle,Keegan,Durcan which is arguably their strongest defence.

AOS replacing his younger brother will probably be the only change to the starting 15 from yesterday.

Galway should be wary of the media taking them up. Many Galway supporters have the opinion they are better this year but I'm not sure what this is based on? The division 2 they got promoted out of was weaker than 2016 IMO and it remains to be seen how Galway will now fare in the much higher level of division one football.

Mayo to win for me because they will have a better goalkeeper starting this game a better defence,stronger midfield and D O Connor will be fit to start this game unlike last year

I'd venture it was the possibly the weakest Division 2 in a good few years.

Also something that I think will count against Galway is the length of time they spent down in Division 2. Combine that long stretch in Division 2 and their recent dismal record in the championship (bar the Mayo game last year when is the last time they beat any sort of team in the championship?) and I definitely think there is a serious possibility of some folk over-estimating where they are.

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2017, 04:52:12 PM
Galway should be wary of the media taking them up. Many Galway supporters have the opinion they are better this year but I'm not sure what this is based on?

Talking them up to what? You can only compare this current Galway team to what was there in Galway for 2013/2014/2015 etc. and judge improvements on that basis.
To compare Galway to the established Division One teams, of course anyone with half a clue knows we aren't at that level.

For me anyway I'm basing it purely on the games I've been at this year so far compared to what I saw last year and in previous years, there's certainly a better squad (it was players sprung from the bench who were the key to winning the league final) this year than last. That is not to say that they are world beaters by any stretch and for parts of some games Galway were poor, more frustratingly they looked quite good in other parts of the very same games.

The general media (Sunday Game analysts, the "big name" columnists) haven't a clue about where anyone truly is at outside of Division one - unless they are from a county in Div 2-4 themselves - to be honest, they don't go to the matches and they rely on the usual clichés which may have no resemblance or basis to the actual reality.

Galway are coming from an unbelievably low base in the general scheme of things and the Tipp capitulation last year left a very bad taste, we are well aware of the ongoing weaknesses and there's no doubt that Galway are still a way off the top teams but there is progress being made I feel, losing to Mayo in three weeks time won't change any of that, nor if they get dumped out of Division One next year either, they are still a better outfit than what was representing the county in some recent previous years.

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2017, 04:52:12 PM
I know he won All Star last year but who would Harrison replace in the Mayo back six of Barrett,Cafferky,Higgins,Boyle,Keegan,Durcan which is arguably their strongest defence.

AOS replacing his younger brother will probably be the only change to the starting 15 from yesterday.

Galway should be wary of the media taking them up. Many Galway supporters have the opinion they are better this year but I'm not sure what this is based on? The division 2 they got promoted out of was weaker than 2016 IMO and it remains to be seen how Galway will now fare in the much higher level of division one football.

Mayo to win for me because they will have a better goalkeeper starting this game a better defence,stronger midfield and D O Connor will be fit to start this game unlike last year

I would take out O'Shea the youngest and put Higgins at half forward in a free role like Horan was trying in 2013. Harrison would go back in the corner doing what he does best quietly putting the shackles on whatever forward he marks!! Higgins would provide cover with Boyler to allow Durcan and Keegan drive forward!!

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2017, 04:52:12 PM
I know he won All Star last year but who would Harrison replace in the Mayo back six of Barrett,Cafferky,Higgins,Boyle,Keegan,Durcan which is arguably their strongest defence.

AOS replacing his younger brother will probably be the only change to the starting 15 from yesterday.

Galway should be wary of the media taking them up. Many Galway supporters have the opinion they are better this year but I'm not sure what this is based on? The division 2 they got promoted out of was weaker than 2016 IMO and it remains to be seen how Galway will now fare in the much higher level of division one football.

Mayo to win for me because they will have a better goalkeeper starting this game a better defence,stronger midfield and D O Connor will be fit to start this game unlike last year

Harrison is our best man marker, he starts regardless of who's fit IMO. I'd move Higgins to the sweeper role and Harrison back to the fb line

Mayo's weak spot =their forwards.
Mayo's best player =Keegan

Why not move Lee into the forwards?  - I always thought he'd be fantastic there and mayo have plenty great backs

Quote from: del_carroll on May 22, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Mayo's weak spot =their forwards.
Mayo's best player =Keegan

Why not move Lee into the forwards?  - I always thought he'd be fantastic there and mayo have plenty great backs

He's good partly because he can time going on those runs up the field. In the forwards you are often receiving the ball with your back to goal. Totally different dynamic.

The only 'great backs' Mayo have are Keegan and Higgins. Boyle tries hard but the legs are going and he's a bit wild now. Durcan looks like one for the future. Mayo's FB line is there for the taking imho.

Comer is exactly the sort of bull-strong FF that would give Caffreky/Keane/Vaughan nightmares.

Quote from: macdanger2 on May 22, 2017, 07:43:11 PM

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2017, 04:52:12 PM
I know he won All Star last year but who would Harrison replace in the Mayo back six of Barrett,Cafferky,Higgins,Boyle,Keegan,Durcan which is arguably their strongest defence.

AOS replacing his younger brother will probably be the only change to the starting 15 from yesterday.

Galway should be wary of the media taking them up. Many Galway supporters have the opinion they are better this year but I'm not sure what this is based on? The division 2 they got promoted out of was weaker than 2016 IMO and it remains to be seen how Galway will now fare in the much higher level of division one football.

Mayo to win for me because they will have a better goalkeeper starting this game a better defence,stronger midfield and D O Connor will be fit to start this game unlike last year

Harrison is our best man marker, he starts regardless of who's fit IMO. I'd move Higgins to the sweeper role and Harrison back to the fb line

Lee Keegan is the best Mayo man maker, marks the oppositions best forward and more often than not holds his marker scoreless from play. Harrison was one of the finds of last summer but how many tricky corner forwards did he mark? He struggled on Costello in the AI final replay or be it fresh legs v tired legs.

Galway have been making steady progress for the last few years and should do better this year than last year.  The team is based on the 2 most recent all Ireland u21 teams. There wasn't really any core of experienced players to blend with them in 2013-15 , hence the Mayo hammerings . And of course Mayo didn't win Sam despite all the huffing and puffing. So it's 2 teams with different dynamics.
Mayo will hand over the baton soon enough. 

And Galway might win Sam afterwards.

Quote from: Syferus on May 22, 2017, 08:45:19 PM
The only 'great backs' Mayo have are Keegan and Higgins. Boyle tries hard but the legs are going and he's a bit wild now. Durcan looks like one for the future. Mayo's FB line is there for the taking imho.

Comer is exactly the sort of bull-strong FF that would give Caffreky/Keane/Vaughan nightmares.

People and I include Mayo people,  still don't know who Brendan Harrison is. I'd gladly wager that >6/10 people in Mayo don't know what he looks like.

Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2017, 10:04:47 PM
Galway have been making steady progress for the last few years and should do better this year than last year.  The team is based on the 2 most recent all Ireland u21 teams. There wasn't really any core of experienced players to blend with them in 2013-15 , hence the Mayo hammerings . And of course Mayo didn't win Sam despite all the huffing and puffing. So it's 2 teams with different dynamics.
Mayo will hand over the baton soon enough. 

And Galway might win Sam afterwards.

Jesus I hope for the good of your health they do, you have be banging on about it long enough. Christ if Mayo ever do the impossible and land Sam along with say Israel invading Palestine, Trump in the Whitehouse , I would be hoping you have a strong support network at hand Seaf!! ;D

Quote from: ballinaman on May 22, 2017, 10:15:59 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 22, 2017, 08:45:19 PM
The only 'great backs' Mayo have are Keegan and Higgins. Boyle tries hard but the legs are going and he's a bit wild now. Durcan looks like one for the future. Mayo's FB line is there for the taking imho.

Comer is exactly the sort of bull-strong FF that would give Caffreky/Keane/Vaughan nightmares.

People and I include Mayo people,  still don't know who Brendan Harrison is. I'd gladly wager that >6/10 people in Mayo don't know what he looks like.

Being that he's only from over Aghamore, I've been very much aware of Harrison, probably longer than you have.

I just didn't rate that highly to begin with, to be honest. You can point to the All-Star (Caffreky has one too and FB is one of Mayo's biggest weaknesses the last however many years) if you want but he has a lot to prove still imho. With Higgins on the other side he's only usually placed on a secondary forward. Chris Barrett would be a better player than him to boot.

Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2017, 10:04:47 PM
Galway have been making steady progress for the last few years and should do better this year than last year.  The team is based on the 2 most recent all Ireland u21 teams. There wasn't really any core of experienced players to blend with them in 2013-15 , hence the Mayo hammerings . And of course Mayo didn't win Sam despite all the huffing and puffing. So it's 2 teams with different dynamics.
Mayo will hand over the baton soon enough. 

And Galway might win Sam afterwards.

Oh, the dream! Galways first goal - never mind retaining a Connacht title is winning a Championship game in Croke Park. Has any county gone as long without a Championship win there? I'm afraid that if Galway take over the Baton it will be more Mayo falling back to the chasing pack than Galway moving  into the main pack!

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 22, 2017, 07:57:11 PM

Quote from: del_carroll on May 22, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Mayo's weak spot =their forwards.
Mayo's best player =Keegan

Why not move Lee into the forwards?  - I always thought he'd be fantastic there and mayo have plenty great backs

He's good partly because he can time going on those runs up the field. In the forwards you are often receiving the ball with your back to goal. Totally different dynamic.

Get that gbb - and yet Meath won an all Ireland in the 90s with 5 club half backs playing in the forwards...
So conversion is often easier that it might seem. What better man today do it than the best footballer in the country?

Quote from: del_carroll on May 23, 2017, 12:04:28 AM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 22, 2017, 07:57:11 PM

Quote from: del_carroll on May 22, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Mayo's weak spot =their forwards.
Mayo's best player =Keegan

Why not move Lee into the forwards?  - I always thought he'd be fantastic there and mayo have plenty great backs

He's good partly because he can time going on those runs up the field. In the forwards you are often receiving the ball with your back to goal. Totally different dynamic.

Get that gbb - and yet Meath won an all Ireland in the 90s with 5 club half backs playing in the forwards...
So conversion is often easier that it might seem. What better man today do it than the best footballer in the country?

James Horan tried it a few years ago. It didn't work.

Quote from: From the Bunker on May 22, 2017, 11:34:43 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 22, 2017, 10:04:47 PM
Galway have been making steady progress for the last few years and should do better this year than last year.  The team is based on the 2 most recent all Ireland u21 teams. There wasn't really any core of experienced players to blend with them in 2013-15 , hence the Mayo hammerings . And of course Mayo didn't win Sam despite all the huffing and puffing. So it's 2 teams with different dynamics.
Mayo will hand over the baton soon enough. 

And Galway might win Sam afterwards.

Oh, the dream! Galways first goal - never mind retaining a Connacht title is winning a Championship game in Croke Park. Has any county gone as long without a Championship win there? I'm afraid that if Galway take over the Baton it will be more Mayo falling back to the chasing pack than Galway moving  into the main pack!

I wouldn't be surprised to see a new photo up on the wall in Sheridans in Milltown in the next few years.

Galway need to find a capable goalkeeper,full back and centre half back before they can start challenging for a senior AI again at the moment they are making progress with Walsh's blanket defence but individuals in that defence can be exploited as Tipp proved last summer. Some good underage defenders coming through but a lot of promising underage players struggle to make the step up to senior level.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2017, 03:19:50 PM
Galway need to find a capable goalkeeper,full back and centre half back before they can start challenging for a senior AI again at the moment they are making progress with Walsh's blanket defence but individuals in that defence can be exploited as Tipp proved last summer. Some good underage defenders coming through but a lot of promising underage players struggle to make the step up to senior level.

Every time I see Daithí Burke having another stormer for the hurlers a small part of me wishes we weren't a dual county, I think he'd be a top class half back for the footballers if available.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 23, 2017, 04:02:33 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2017, 03:19:50 PM
Galway need to find a capable goalkeeper,full back and centre half back before they can start challenging for a senior AI again at the moment they are making progress with Walsh's blanket defence but individuals in that defence can be exploited as Tipp proved last summer. Some good underage defenders coming through but a lot of promising underage players struggle to make the step up to senior level.

Every time I see Daithí Burke having another stormer for the hurlers a small part of me wishes we weren't a dual county, I think he'd be a top class half back for the footballers if available.

If Molloy , McDaid and Seán Andy come through as expected Galway will be challenging for Sam soon enough!!

I think Galway will win this. I don't think Mayo will be as motivated. I think Rockford is doing the same as he did last year, aiming for Aug/Sep. 

Quote from: magpie seanie on May 24, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
I think Galway will win this. I don't think Mayo will be as motivated. I think Rockford is doing the same as he did last year, aiming for Aug/Sep.

He was damn lucky that Mayo survived their passage through the qualifiers which is always more complicated than the full frontal approach. Unless he's extremely confident that Mayo will get through safely where every game is a knock out, he'd be best advised to put the heron chokers in their place for once and for all time! ;D

I've a feeling Galway will be more desperate dan than fancy dan for this game.

Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2017, 11:39:50 AM
I've a feeling Galway will be more desperate dan than fancy dan for this game.

Would all the other fancy Dans not team up with our fancy Dan in solidarity and give desperate Dan a hiding though??

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2017, 04:52:12 PM
I know he won All Star last year but who would Harrison replace in the Mayo back six of Barrett,Cafferky,Higgins,Boyle,Keegan,Durcan which is arguably their strongest defence.

AOS replacing his younger brother will probably be the only change to the starting 15 from yesterday.

Galway should be wary of the media taking them up. Many Galway supporters have the opinion they are better this year but I'm not sure what this is based on? The division 2 they got promoted out of was weaker than 2016 IMO and it remains to be seen how Galway will now fare in the much higher level of division one football.

Mayo to win for me because they will have a better goalkeeper starting this game a better defence,stronger midfield and D O Connor will be fit to start this game unlike last year

I'd imagine the majority of pundits will predict a Mayo win, there's bound to be one or two of them who will predict a Galway win but thats hardly a huge surprise given Galway are 7/4.

Galway are in a better place then they were this time 12 months ago, there's certainly a lot more options on the bench too. The majority of Galway fans are realistic about where this team is at and are certainly not getting carried away, its well documented Galway have plenty of issues in that backline which won't be resolved this summer.

As for the match Mayo are favourites and rightly so, they'll have more motivation for a match within the province then they've had in a long time given last years result.

Quote from: magpie seanie on May 24, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
I think Galway will win this. I don't think Mayo will be as motivated. I think Rockford is doing the same as he did last year, aiming for Aug/Sep.

I'd say his aim was August and September but through the front door.
The truth is Mayos average league form was brought into the Galway game last year and then got ideal qualifer draws and avoided a division one teams until the All Ireland final.

If Mayo play like they did last Sunday Galway will beat them again however last years defeat will have Mayo more motivated than ever to win this game and in Donegal,Tyrone and Kerry they have already beaten three teams this year that are better than Galway.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2017, 06:00:20 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on May 24, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
I think Galway will win this. I don't think Mayo will be as motivated. I think Rockford is doing the same as he did last year, aiming for Aug/Sep.

I'd say his aim was August and September but through the front door.
The truth is Mayos average league form was brought into the Galway game last year and then got ideal qualifer draws and avoided a division one teams until the All Ireland final.

If Mayo play like they did last Sunday Galway will beat them again however last years defeat will have Mayo more motivated than ever to win this game and in Donegal,Tyrone and Kerry they have already beaten three teams this year that are better than Galway.

Yeah but if they were playing Galway last week or a properly organised Sligo they would have lost.

I predicted Galway to win Connacht. Nothing has changed my opinion yet anyway.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 24, 2017, 07:27:05 PM
I predicted Galway to win Connacht. Nothing has changed my opinion yet anyway.

You'll be right, at minor.

Quote from: Syferus on May 22, 2017, 08:45:19 PM
The only 'great backs' Mayo have are Keegan and Higgins. Boyle tries hard but the legs are going and he's a bit wild now. Durcan looks like one for the future. Mayo's FB line is there for the taking imho.

Comer is exactly the sort of bull-strong FF that would give Caffreky/Keane/Vaughan nightmares.

In fairness Syf you've put your finger on it there. None of the Mayo backs are likely to have a night's sleep between now and June 11 worrying about Comer.

https://youtu.be/MQZemthWLLA

Quote from: magpie seanie on May 24, 2017, 07:00:38 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2017, 06:00:20 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on May 24, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
I think Galway will win this. I don't think Mayo will be as motivated. I think Rockford is doing the same as he did last year, aiming for Aug/Sep.

I'd say his aim was August and September but through the front door.
The truth is Mayos average league form was brought into the Galway game last year and then got ideal qualifer draws and avoided a division one teams until the All Ireland final.

If Mayo play like they did last Sunday Galway will beat them again however last years defeat will have Mayo more motivated than ever to win this game and in Donegal,Tyrone and Kerry they have already beaten three teams this year that are better than Galway.

Yeah but if they were playing Galway last week or a properly organised Sligo they would have lost.

Yeah but they weren't and they knew that.

Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on May 25, 2017, 09:30:26 PM

Quote from: Syferus on May 22, 2017, 08:45:19 PM
The only 'great backs' Mayo have are Keegan and Higgins. Boyle tries hard but the legs are going and he's a bit wild now. Durcan looks like one for the future. Mayo's FB line is there for the taking imho.

Comer is exactly the sort of bull-strong FF that would give Caffreky/Keane/Vaughan nightmares.

In fairness Syf you've put your finger on it there. None of the Mayo backs are likely to have a night's sleep between now and June 11 worrying about Comer.

https://youtu.be/MQZemthWLLA

You're using a foul out the field by a HB to defend your FB line from criticism they're weak against big, strong FFs - whaa?

I'd love to see Colm Boyle try to win a high ball deep in Mayo's FB line against Comer. I could do with a good laugh. Ye let Star extend his career by three or four seasons by being brutal at FB - probably the dirtiest deed a Mayo team has ever inflicted on gaelic football.

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Damien Burke fairly emptied McDonald in Salthill one year and Tomas Tierney shipping a bit of punishment in McHale Park in the early 90s come to mind!!

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 26, 2017, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Damien Burke fairly emptied McDonald in Salthill one year and Tomas Tierney shipping a bit of punishment in McHale Park in the early 90s come to mind!!

Was that not Diarmuid Blake who buried McDonald. Yeah some great belts (fair ones) down the years in Galway v Mayo Games.

Quote from: Crete Boom on May 26, 2017, 12:49:39 AM

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 26, 2017, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Damien Burke fairly emptied McDonald in Salthill one year and Tomas Tierney shipping a bit of punishment in McHale Park in the early 90s come to mind!!

Was that not Diarmuid Blake who buried McDonald. Yeah some great belts (fair ones) down the years in Galway v Mayo Games.

That one on McDonald was a real sickener. The match was lost and Johnno threw an unfit McDonald on, he was blindsided to the (fair) shoulder. He fell to his knees and the Galway crowd let out an almighty roar

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Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Damien Burke fairly emptied McDonald in Salthill one year and Tomas Tierney shipping a bit of punishment in McHale Park in the early 90s come to mind!!

Was that not Diarmuid Blake who buried McDonald. Yeah some great belts (fair ones) down the years in Galway v Mayo Games.

That one on McDonald was a real sickener. The match was lost and Johnno threw an unfit McDonald on, he was blindsided to the (fair) shoulder. He fell to his knees and the Galway crowd let out an almighty roar

It certainly was Tubberman from our point of view but you can understand the roar of approval if your were from Galway.

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Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Damien Burke fairly emptied McDonald in Salthill one year and Tomas Tierney shipping a bit of punishment in McHale Park in the early 90s come to mind!!

Was that not Diarmuid Blake who buried McDonald. Yeah some great belts (fair ones) down the years in Galway v Mayo Games.

Nearly certain it was Damien Burke alright.

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Quote from: Crete Boom on May 26, 2017, 12:49:39 AM

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 26, 2017, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Damien Burke fairly emptied McDonald in Salthill one year and Tomas Tierney shipping a bit of punishment in McHale Park in the early 90s come to mind!!

Was that not Diarmuid Blake who buried McDonald. Yeah some great belts (fair ones) down the years in Galway v Mayo Games.

Nearly certain it was Damien Burke alright.

Val Daly that did Tomas Tierney! AFAI Remember! He went to the other side and a statement had to be made which is fair enough!

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Quote from: Crete Boom on May 26, 2017, 12:49:39 AM

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 26, 2017, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Damien Burke fairly emptied McDonald in Salthill one year and Tomas Tierney shipping a bit of punishment in McHale Park in the early 90s come to mind!!

Was that not Diarmuid Blake who buried McDonald. Yeah some great belts (fair ones) down the years in Galway v Mayo Games.

Nearly certain it was Damien Burke alright.

Val Daly that did Tomas Tierney! AFAI Remember! He went to the other side and a statement had to be made which is fair enough!

I think Mulholland had a good cut at him that day also...............

What was the story with TT switching?? Was there something that lead to it or did he just move jobs?

Cillian McDaid invited for over for AFL trials in Melbourne in October.

Quote from: Tubberman on May 26, 2017, 11:24:36 AM

Quote from: Crete Boom on May 26, 2017, 12:49:39 AM

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 26, 2017, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Damien Burke fairly emptied McDonald in Salthill one year and Tomas Tierney shipping a bit of punishment in McHale Park in the early 90s come to mind!!

Was that not Diarmuid Blake who buried McDonald. Yeah some great belts (fair ones) down the years in Galway v Mayo Games.

That one on McDonald was a real sickener. The match was lost and Johnno threw an unfit McDonald on, he was blindsided to the (fair) shoulder. He fell to his knees and the Galway crowd let out an almighty roar

The Galway crowd hasn't had much to roar about recently.

Strange one, although Galway won last year away and are better prepared this year, Mayo will no doubt be slight favourites going into this one - I'd say about 2/3 pts
Galway' win last year had a lot to do with the hurt previous thrashings had caused and Mayo's perceived or real - lack of respect. This time Mayo have the motivation and if Galway do win it will be a massive victory as there can be no excuses. If Galway do best Mayo this time I think we will really know where Galway are at.
Last seasons win had us thinking we had made good progress but against tip that excitement was certainly dampened.

I believe Galway are about 2 years away from peaking and I feel Mayos decline hasn't started. Tough game to call and an injury or a bounce of the ball could swing it for either team. It'll be some battle

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Quote from: Tubberman on May 26, 2017, 11:24:36 AM

Quote from: Crete Boom on May 26, 2017, 12:49:39 AM

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 26, 2017, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Damien Burke fairly emptied McDonald in Salthill one year and Tomas Tierney shipping a bit of punishment in McHale Park in the early 90s come to mind!!

Was that not Diarmuid Blake who buried McDonald. Yeah some great belts (fair ones) down the years in Galway v Mayo Games.

That one on McDonald was a real sickener. The match was lost and Johnno threw an unfit McDonald on, he was blindsided to the (fair) shoulder. He fell to his knees and the Galway crowd let out an almighty roar

The Galway crowd hasn't had much to roar about recently.

What about the hurlers Seaf, Pro 12 final last year and that day in McHale Park?? Not bad when you think about it?

Quote from: macdanger2 on May 26, 2017, 03:45:39 PM
What was the story with TT switching?? Was there something that lead to it or did he just move jobs?

I think John Tobin decided to get of him and a few of the older lads when he took over the Galway Team around 1990 - Tierney was already teaching in Westport for a few years at that point and he transferred to the local club and also threw his lot in with Mayo - he would have been around 29/30 at the time I guess? 

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 26, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
Cillian McDaid invited for over for AFL trials in Melbourne in October.

I think at this stage you have to say write him off for 2 years, let him enjoy a couple of years in Oz. People tend to panic when they see lads going, but in reality often they are only gone for a season or two.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 26, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
Cillian McDaid invited for over for AFL trials in Melbourne in October.

Heard that earlier in the week alright - great opportunity for him but he would be a big loss to us IMO - has a huge amount of senior potential...........

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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 26, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
Cillian McDaid invited for over for AFL trials in Melbourne in October.

I think at this stage you have to say write him off for 2 years, let him enjoy a couple of years in Oz. People tend to panic when they see lads going, but in reality often they are only gone for a season or two.

Unless you are Pearse Hanley!!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_experiment#2007_onwards

For the most part it's the two year rookie contract and home.

Funny reading through it every lad is compared to tadhg Kennelly in Aussie media when they go over. Obviously Hanley and Kennelly the exception more than the rule.

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Quote from: macdanger2 on May 26, 2017, 03:45:39 PM
What was the story with TT switching?? Was there something that lead to it or did he just move jobs?

I think John Tobin decided to get of him and a few of the older lads when he took over the Galway Team around 1990 - Tierney was already teaching in Westport for a few years at that point and he transferred to the local club and also threw his lot in with Mayo - he would have been around 29/30 at the time I guess?

Ah right, no real controversy about it so

Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2017, 11:39:50 AM
I've a feeling Galway will be more desperate dan than fancy dan for this game.

That sounds like the mood in Meath.

The gap between Galway and Mayo has been coming down in recent years and even turned positive last year . Mayo should be the better team but they have been on the go a good while. 

Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
The gap between Galway and Mayo has been coming down in recent years and even turned positive last year . Mayo should be the better team but they have been on the go a good while.

Debatable. It was a one off result last year and Mayo ended up having a better and longer championship. Lets be honest here, Mayo haven't played outside Div one since the nineties while Galway haven't played in Div one since 2011. Mayo have been winning All Ireland quarter finals,semi finals regularly in Croke park over the last number of years while Galway haven't won All Ireland series match in Croke park since 2001?

Last bit i think most would agree with but the lads on the go for a while has a few more years left in them yet.

Was it in 2010 that Mayo lost to Longford? Teams can make sudden progress like they did the following year. I think Galway are on the right track. Not as good as Mayo yet but on an upward curve whereas Mayo are ? The big question is what Galway learnt from Tipp last year.
Also I think 8 of the Mayo team against Sligo played in the 2012 final. Most of the Donegal team have retired. If Mayo had won Sam how many of the 2012 lads would be playing?

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Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
The gap between Galway and Mayo has been coming down in recent years and even turned positive last year . Mayo should be the better team but they have been on the go a good while.

Debatable. It was a one off result last year and Mayo ended up having a better and longer championship. Lets be honest here, Mayo haven't played outside Div one since the nineties while Galway haven't played in Div one since 2011. Mayo have been winning All Ireland quarter finals,semi finals regularly in Croke park over the last number of years while Galway haven't won All Ireland series match in Croke park since 2001?

Last bit i think most would agree with but the lads on the go for a while has a few more years left in them yet.

Mayo were brutal in the game against Galway last year and even then there was only one score in it at the end. Galway's other 3 performances in the championship were the drawn game against Roscommon (both sides were abject), the replay win against Roscommon (Roscommon continued to be abject) and the battering by Tipperary. You can say that Galway did get promotion from Division 2 this year but I think the phrase "best of a bad bunch" has a fair bit of relevance here.

Listening to some here you'd wonder what the point of playing the sport at all is.

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Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
The gap between Galway and Mayo has been coming down in recent years and even turned positive last year . Mayo should be the better team but they have been on the go a good while.

Debatable. It was a one off result last year and Mayo ended up having a better and longer championship. Lets be honest here, Mayo haven't played outside Div one since the nineties while Galway haven't played in Div one since 2011. Mayo have been winning All Ireland quarter finals,semi finals regularly in Croke park over the last number of years while Galway haven't won All Ireland series match in Croke park since 2001?

Last bit i think most would agree with but the lads on the go for a while has a few more years left in them yet.

Mayo were brutal in the game against Galway last year and even then there was only one score in it at the end. Galway's other 3 performances in the championship were the drawn game against Roscommon (both sides were abject), the replay win against Roscommon (Roscommon continued to be abject) and the battering by Tipperary. You can say that Galway did get promotion from Division 2 this year but I think the phrase "best of a bad bunch" has a fair bit of relevance here.

A bit harsh on Galway there twohands ( you'll be popular in Mayo though!! ;D) they still had to take advantage with how brutal we were in the semi and when they Rossies gave them a second chance they put them away in some style!! I think the Tipp game showed up the weakness in the rigidity of Kevin Walsh's defensive system on a wide pitch and the one worry is he used a similar system in the league final this year but it did get them over the hump of winning a senior game in Croker. They also seem to have added to the team this year.

Why was D2 this year deemed to be so poor? Ros and Cavan were promoted in the previous 2 years. Hardly galacticos. Kildare are a decent team. Meath and Cork need a bit more work.

Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2017, 08:11:41 PM
Listening to some here you'd wonder what the point of playing the sport at all is.

'Kerching'

And the Aidan O Shea stuff too even if you seem to love it. It wasn't even intentional but I've nearly cut this forum out altogether. Not that I'll be missed or anything. Regrets maybe I wasted too much time here.

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQZemthWLLA&feature=youtu.be

One of the fairest shoulders youve seen?? A fair shoulder isn't hitting an open player before he's even collected the ball, or shouldering to the chest. What's the difference between that, and jumping in shouldering a midfielder while he's in the air contesting a kickout? Neither player has collected the ball. In a more psychical game with massive hits, American Football, Boyles hit would be called hitting a defenseless receiver and would warrant a huge fine. It was a scummy hit against a 20 year old debutant that would lay him out if he got him fairly these days

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Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQZemthWLLA&feature=youtu.be

One of the fairest shoulders youve seen?? A fair shoulder isn't hitting an open player before he's even collected the ball, or shouldering to the chest. What's the difference between that, and jumping in shouldering a midfielder while he's in the air contesting a kickout? Neither player has collected the ball. In a more psychical game with massive hits, American Football, Boyles hit would be called hitting a defenseless receiver and would warrant a huge fine. It was a scummy hit against a 20 year old debutant that would lay him out if he got him fairly these days

Watch from 12 seconds (slow motion clip) .... now tell me, honestly, does the Galway player have the ball before Boyle hits him (yes ... he has his 2 hands out in front of him with the ball before Boyle hits him from what i can see) and is it into his shoulder or chest (shoulder from what i can see).
One of us needs glasses....

Quote from: blast05 on May 29, 2017, 01:20:13 PM

Quote from: Manning18 on May 29, 2017, 11:25:45 AM

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQZemthWLLA&feature=youtu.be

One of the fairest shoulders youve seen?? A fair shoulder isn't hitting an open player before he's even collected the ball, or shouldering to the chest. What's the difference between that, and jumping in shouldering a midfielder while he's in the air contesting a kickout? Neither player has collected the ball. In a more psychical game with massive hits, American Football, Boyles hit would be called hitting a defenseless receiver and would warrant a huge fine. It was a scummy hit against a 20 year old debutant that would lay him out if he got him fairly these days

Watch from 12 seconds (slow motion clip) .... now tell me, honestly, does the Galway player have the ball before Boyle hits him (yes ... he has his 2 hands out in front of him with the ball before Boyle hits him from what i can see) and is it into his shoulder or chest (shoulder from what i can see).
One of us needs glasses....

in fairness if you watch it in slow motion. The galway player has the ball and it is shoulder to shoulder. And it matter little or nothing if either of us are correct!

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Quote from: blast05 on May 29, 2017, 01:20:13 PM

Quote from: Manning18 on May 29, 2017, 11:25:45 AM

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQZemthWLLA&feature=youtu.be

One of the fairest shoulders youve seen?? A fair shoulder isn't hitting an open player before he's even collected the ball, or shouldering to the chest. What's the difference between that, and jumping in shouldering a midfielder while he's in the air contesting a kickout? Neither player has collected the ball. In a more psychical game with massive hits, American Football, Boyles hit would be called hitting a defenseless receiver and would warrant a huge fine. It was a scummy hit against a 20 year old debutant that would lay him out if he got him fairly these days

Watch from 12 seconds (slow motion clip) .... now tell me, honestly, does the Galway player have the ball before Boyle hits him (yes ... he has his 2 hands out in front of him with the ball before Boyle hits him from what i can see) and is it into his shoulder or chest (shoulder from what i can see).
One of us needs glasses....

in fairness if you watch it in slow motion. The galway player has the ball and it is shoulder to shoulder. And it matter little or nothing if either of us are correct!

Picture perfect shoulder. The odd thing is a shoulder to the chest is not a free in hurling yet a perfect shoulder that rattles a man is nearly always a free in football. Not sure why that is.

What do you mean a shoulder to the chest is not a free in hurling? Do you mean refs don't bother blowing for it?

Having your arms stretched out in front of you collecting a ball is not having possession. Had he collected the ball and tucked into into his chest as normal it'd be different. There's a reason we don't allow midfielders with arms outstretched to be hit in the air, and a reason a player with his arms out collecting a ball can't be hit. It's incredibly dangerous, the player is completely defenseless, which is why it was blown a free. Laughable how taking a player out of the game like that is lauded as some sort of good thing. Comer's hardly the type to be soft and stay down in that regard either, but had to be carried off. A hit like that is more cowardly than manly, hitting someone who cant possibly defend it. 

Quote from: Manning18 on May 29, 2017, 03:39:00 PM
Having your arms stretched out in front of you collecting a ball is not having possession. Had he collected the ball and tucked into into his chest as normal it'd be different. There's a reason we don't allow midfielders with arms outstretched to be hit in the air, and a reason a player with his arms out collecting a ball can't be hit. It's incredibly dangerous, the player is completely defenseless, which is why it was blown a free. Laughable how taking a player out of the game like that is lauded as some sort of good thing. Comer's hardly the type to be soft and stay down in that regard either, but had to be carried off. A hit like that is more cowardly than manly, hitting someone who cant possibly defend it.

Midfielders can't be shouldered when catching because they're in the air. No rule about arms outstretched or otherwise. The ref in that clip must have considered it not to be shoulder to shoulder - I thought it was a fair hit

Quote from: Manning18 on May 29, 2017, 03:39:00 PM
Having your arms stretched out in front of you collecting a ball is not having possession. Had he collected the ball and tucked into into his chest as normal it'd be different. There's a reason we don't allow midfielders with arms outstretched to be hit in the air, and a reason a player with his arms out collecting a ball can't be hit. It's incredibly dangerous, the player is completely defenseless, which is why it was blown a free. Laughable how taking a player out of the game like that is lauded as some sort of good thing. Comer's hardly the type to be soft and stay down in that regard either, but had to be carried off. A hit like that is more cowardly than manly, hitting someone who cant possibly defend it.

There is no rule about not hitting a player 'with his arms out collecting a ball". I'm not sure if the phrase 'in possession' is defined in the rule book but in my opinion if you have your two hands on the ball then you are in possession of it! Just because it's not tucked into his chest doesn't mean he's not in possession of the ball. So therefore I think he was entitled to be shoulder charged.

However, in this particular case I think it was frontal charge and therefore on those grounds the ref was correct IMO.

The fact that so many people have differing opinions on whether this is a foul or not, after watching the replays slowed down upteen times, proves how difficult it is for referees. Would video technology solve the problem in a case like this? - Probably not!

Let's hope Boyle does something similar on Sunday week. In fact I'd love if every Mayo player did. :D

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 29, 2017, 11:07:06 PM
Let's hope Boyle does something similar on Sunday week. In fact I'd love if every Mayo player did. :D

Well it was a Suicide pass and had he kept his eyes on the ball and slapped the ball it was a simple turnover and a quick Mayo counter attack. Went for the man instead and conceded a scoreable free

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Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 29, 2017, 11:07:06 PM
Let's hope Boyle does something similar on Sunday week. In fact I'd love if every Mayo player did. :D

Well it was a Suicide pass and had he kept his eyes on the ball and slapped the ball it was a simple turnover and a quick Mayo counter attack. Went for the man instead and conceded a scoreable free

lucky for ye-nuff of a baatin without it
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Quote from: Manning18 on May 29, 2017, 11:24:30 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 29, 2017, 11:07:06 PM
Let's hope Boyle does something similar on Sunday week. In fact I'd love if every Mayo player did. :D

Well it was a Suicide pass and had he kept his eyes on the ball and slapped the ball it was a simple turnover and a quick Mayo counter attack. Went for the man instead and conceded a scoreable free

In fairness the Boyle shoulder charge on an unguarded opponent receiving the ball is pretty much his trade mark. Does it in every game. Often successfully.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 29, 2017, 11:55:55 PM

Quote from: Manning18 on May 29, 2017, 11:24:30 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 29, 2017, 11:07:06 PM
Let's hope Boyle does something similar on Sunday week. In fact I'd love if every Mayo player did. :D

Well it was a Suicide pass and had he kept his eyes on the ball and slapped the ball it was a simple turnover and a quick Mayo counter attack. Went for the man instead and conceded a scoreable free

In fairness the Boyle shoulder charge on an unguarded opponent receiving the ball is pretty much his trade mark. Does it in every game. Often successfully.

Boyle's awful reckless. When he's been asked to play deeper he just doesn't have the discipline to read the play, he sees the ball and he's like a dog in heat and goes after it. Reminds me a bit of Seanie Mac here, wonderful servant and always gives it 100% but sometimes he can get caught out by basic errors.

Less than 2 weeks to go, disappointed I won't be going over for it.

Tactically I expect Galway to adopt a similar approach to last year and play with a blanket defence. Farragher at centre half back worries me against me against AOS although i'd like to think he won't get over exposed. If Flynn is fit enough to start I hope Galway make more use of his height advantage from kick outs, he's got to be 6 inches taller than any of the Mayo half backs. I'm not sure how Mayo will set up but we should find out if Cafferkey is fully recovered from his injury given he'll likely pick up Comer.

I don't know about this arms outstretched rule. To be honest I think if a lad leaves himself open, whether that's after being given a hospital pass or not seeing it coming then he's fair game.
You might call it a cheap shot, but I can't see any player refusing to clean a lad out with a shoulder if he's there to be hit.
For a small man Boyle is superb at these hits. One thing though I'd note in his game is he often overcommits to the block down. This could leave him open to a dummy solo and he's out of the game. Don't know why more don't try it against him he's such a wholehearted player.

Will be some match up keegan, Boyle and Durcan v Flynn, Walsh and brannigan. Wonder will Flynn be targeted with kickouts as I feel that Mayo may have upper hand in midfield.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 30, 2017, 12:16:44 PM
Less than 2 weeks to go, disappointed I won't be going over for it.

Tactically I expect Galway to adopt a similar approach to last year and play with a blanket defence. Farragher at centre half back worries me against me against AOS although i'd like to think he won't get over exposed. If Flynn is fit enough to start I hope Galway make more use of his height advantage from kick outs, he's got to be 6 inches taller than any of the Mayo half backs. I'm not sure how Mayo will set up but we should find out if Cafferkey is fully recovered from his injury given he'll likely pick up Comer.

I think the trick with AOS is to let him win the ball, which is his strong point, and then surround him. Hanley made the mistake a couple of years back by trying to compete physically with him. If he stood off him initially and then slow him up with a tackle, O'Shea's effectiveness can be reduced. He's not the most skillful or paciest.

No stand tickets on sale, sold out or is it season ticket holders first option,not too sure how it works.sure the sun will be splitting the rocks, (not in salthill) bring your raincoat.!!!

Quote from: AZOffaly on May 29, 2017, 02:35:31 PM
What do you mean a shoulder to the chest is not a free in hurling? Do you mean refs don't bother blowing for it?

Yes, I mean it often isn't given, even when it is very clear and dangerous. In football, a slightly mistimed shoulder is nearly always a free which is very odd to me.

Quote from: DJGaliv on May 30, 2017, 12:18:31 PM
I don't know about this arms outstretched rule. To be honest I think if a lad leaves himself open, whether that's after being given a hospital pass or not seeing it coming then he's fair game.
You might call it a cheap shot, but I can't see any player refusing to clean a lad out with a shoulder if he's there to be hit.
For a small man Boyle is superb at these hits. One thing though I'd note in his game is he often overcommits to the block down. This could leave him open to a dummy solo and he's out of the game. Don't know why more don't try it against him he's such a wholehearted player.

Will be some match up keegan, Boyle and Durcan v Flynn, Walsh and brannigan. Wonder will Flynn be targeted with kickouts as I feel that Mayo may have upper hand in midfield.

Mayo's much vaunted midfield isn't as good as it was.

Quote from: Zulu on May 30, 2017, 04:02:12 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on May 29, 2017, 02:35:31 PM
What do you mean a shoulder to the chest is not a free in hurling? Do you mean refs don't bother blowing for it?

Yes, I mean it often isn't given, even when it is very clear and dangerous. In football, a slightly mistimed shoulder is nearly always a free which is very odd to me.

Sure the poor oul hurley refs would get hell from the hurley crowd if they went around blowing up fouls.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2017, 06:36:31 PM

Quote from: DJGaliv on May 30, 2017, 12:18:31 PM
I don't know about this arms outstretched rule. To be honest I think if a lad leaves himself open, whether that's after being given a hospital pass or not seeing it coming then he's fair game.
You might call it a cheap shot, but I can't see any player refusing to clean a lad out with a shoulder if he's there to be hit.
For a small man Boyle is superb at these hits. One thing though I'd note in his game is he often overcommits to the block down. This could leave him open to a dummy solo and he's out of the game. Don't know why more don't try it against him he's such a wholehearted player.

Will be some match up keegan, Boyle and Durcan v Flynn, Walsh and brannigan. Wonder will Flynn be targeted with kickouts as I feel that Mayo may have upper hand in midfield.

Mayo's much vaunted midfield isn't as good as it was.

The official guide is pretty clear, either you're in possession or you're not, there's no mention of arms outstretched or ball to chest. It's legal if it's shoulder to shoulder, the tackler has one foot on the ground and the tackled player isn't in the act of kicking the ball. Otherwise it's a free, simple as. Although I've seen it several times in matches now the last few years, and not just in Mayo matches where perfectly legal shoulders (and dispossessions) have been blown up as fouls while a load of blatant fouls are being let go. The mind boggles at the standard of refereeing at every level these days. I seriously wonder do some referees actually study, know and understand the official guide??? As regards Boyle, the guy's a legend, the hardiest, toughest player we have. Yeah there are aspects to his game that aren't perfect, his positioning and game reading isn't the best. But for sheer  physicality, heart and leadership I'd have  him every time.
Our midfield has become an issue, especially on long kickouts. We're not nearly as effective at winning breaking ball as we were 2-3 years ago. Possibly because we have put more emphasis on short kickouts that we don't have as many bodies in that middle zone. Also Kevin McLoughlin has been played further away, sweeper last year and this year appears to being played as a conventional full/ corner forward, along with Jason Doherty who isn't starting most games now these two guys were our best foragers around the middle mopping up breaks imo.

Quote from: Manning18 on May 29, 2017, 03:39:00 PM
Having your arms stretched out in front of you collecting a ball is not having possession. Had he collected the ball and tucked into into his chest as normal it'd be different. There's a reason we don't allow midfielders with arms outstretched to be hit in the air, and a reason a player with his arms out collecting a ball can't be hit. It's incredibly dangerous, the player is completely defenseless, which is why it was blown a free. Laughable how taking a player out of the game like that is lauded as some sort of good thing. Comer's hardly the type to be soft and stay down in that regard either, but had to be carried off. A hit like that is more cowardly than manly, hitting someone who cant possibly defend it.

Dry your eyes Peyton. Won't Comer get his vengeance on Sunday week? Sure I only posted the clip because Syferus was telling us how Comer is going to lord the square like the young god he is. I'm sure we're all in for an exhibition. I can't wait, myself.

I think Rochford brings something to Mayo . But the forwards don't score enough. And there is a lot of pulling up short since 2011 which must reside somewhere in the groupthink. They have more experience. On the other hand they have been on the go a while.
This year is probably their last throw of the dice. They will get to the last 8 regardless of this match.

Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 10:26:45 PM
I think Rochford brings something to Mayo . But the forwards don't score enough. And there is a lot of pulling up short since 2011 which must reside somewhere in the groupthink. They have more experience. On the other hand they have been on the go a while.
This year is probably their last throw of the dice. They will get to the last 8 regardless of this match.

God we have heard that before. It's up there with Dillon and Andy retiring year on year! The Gas thing is that they are still a young bunch in the main! And players are coming through, un-noticed by the media. Take a look at the line up for the connacht final in 2011.

(https://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF729/529994.jpg)

Only 6 of that team would be guaranteed to start against Galway, and you could not be sure of that! The rest are gone, retired, dropped or squad players. Mayo won't win an All Ireland this year. Dublin is just to much an ask to beat!

I'd say ye'll walk the AI this year and poor Syfín will soil his underwear  with pride.

Quote from: From the Bunker on May 31, 2017, 11:03:13 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 10:26:45 PM
I think Rochford brings something to Mayo . But the forwards don't score enough. And there is a lot of pulling up short since 2011 which must reside somewhere in the groupthink. They have more experience. On the other hand they have been on the go a while.
This year is probably their last throw of the dice. They will get to the last 8 regardless of this match.

God we have heard that before. It's up there with Dillon and Andy retiring year on year! The Gas thing is that they are still a young bunch in the main! And players are coming through, un-noticed by the media. Take a look at the line up for the connacht final in 2011.

(https://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF729/529994.jpg)

Only 6 of that team would be guaranteed to start against Galway, and you could not be sure of that! The rest are gone, retired, dropped or squad players. Mayo won't win an All Ireland this year. Dublin is just to much an ask to beat!

That picture was taken in MacHale park and the Connacht final in 2011 wasnt played there.

In 2011 Keith Higgins, Donal Vaughan, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea; Kevin McLoughlin,Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Cillian O'Connor,Jason Doherty,Ger Cafferkey featured for Mayo in the championship and will again this summer. Add in the likes of Keegan,Parsons,Clarke,Barrett,Barry Moran that was on the 2010 panel is 15 players on the current panel I count with a lot of mileage on the clock and 11 of that 15 will probably start v Galway.

Mayo have tended to change the forwards since the early iterations. Various options needed to be improved. Backs and midfield have more of the mileage .There was never much in the big matches. Maybe Rochford's second season will get them over the line. It is all psychological at this stage.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 01, 2017, 12:56:59 AM

Quote from: From the Bunker on May 31, 2017, 11:03:13 PM

Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2017, 10:26:45 PM
I think Rochford brings something to Mayo . But the forwards don't score enough. And there is a lot of pulling up short since 2011 which must reside somewhere in the groupthink. They have more experience. On the other hand they have been on the go a while.
This year is probably their last throw of the dice. They will get to the last 8 regardless of this match.

God we have heard that before. It's up there with Dillon and Andy retiring year on year! The Gas thing is that they are still a young bunch in the main! And players are coming through, un-noticed by the media. Take a look at the line up for the connacht final in 2011.

(https://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF729/529994.jpg)

Only 6 of that team would be guaranteed to start against Galway, and you could not be sure of that! The rest are gone, retired, dropped or squad players. Mayo won't win an All Ireland this year. Dublin is just to much an ask to beat!

That picture was taken in MacHale park and the Connacht final in 2011 wasnt played there.

In 2011 Keith Higgins, Donal Vaughan, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea; Kevin McLoughlin,Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Cillian O'Connor,Jason Doherty,Ger Cafferkey featured for Mayo in the championship and will again this summer. Add in the likes of Keegan,Parsons,Clarke,Barrett,Barry Moran that was on the 2010 panel is 15 players on the current panel I count with a lot of mileage on the clock and 11 of that 15 will probably start v Galway.

Apologies picture is from Connacht semi-final!

I don't think it will matter on Sunday week, whether Galway are due to get that long awaited championship win in Croker this summer, or if it's Mayo's "last throw of the dice" for Sam with this group of players.
What matters is dogged Connacht championship football over 70 + minutes.

In general we get a bit too hung up on having good young teams coming through, or 3/4/5 year plans. At this stage all it matters is the next 3/4 months with regard players age or hunger in order to win an All-Ireland.

Hopefully Comer will have plenty of football in him by the time of the game as he looked understandably rusty against Kildare. I felt Cafferkey looked a bit rusty too after his layoff. We'll see how much these lads will have come on by June 11th in that interesting battle.

It's very different to 20 years ago when Galway v Mayo had only one winner with the right to go further. Although I have to say last year felt different with Galway avoiding the qualifiers. And the denouement did not meet expectations. It will be interesting to see what they learn from that. I would love to see both teams making it to the last 4

What's Section K in the stand like?

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 02, 2017, 08:01:29 PM
What's Section K in the stand like?

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https://www.joe.ie/sport/gaa-hour-live-headed-galway-want-join-us-590278 (https://www.joe.ie/sport/gaa-hour-live-headed-galway-want-join-us-590278)

The GAA Championships are in full swing and arguably the biggest football match of the year thus far will take place in Salthill on 11 June.

Last year's beaten All-Ireland finalists Mayo eased their way back on to the road to Croker with a win over Sligo, but next up is a trip to Galway to take on their most fierce rivals in a Connacht SFC semi-finals.

Stephen Rochford's team are headed to Pearse Stadium in search of revenge for defeat at the same stage last year, but Kevin Walsh's National League Division 2 champions will be no pushovers.

A summer sizzler on a Salthill Sunday, the City of the Tribes promises to be hopping and we at SportsJOE are on hand to offer the perfect way to kickstart the weekend.

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Mayo having their run around pearse stadium just now.get you cameras ready.

Quote from: cornetto on June 03, 2017, 01:12:42 PM
Mayo having their run around pearse stadium just now.get you cameras ready.

Any notable absentees?

I would say you are referring to lee keegan,no he was not on show but maybe a little bit of mind games??.you will see him alright on the 11th, have to say though mayo looked fit and focused my optimism for galway gaa stepped back a little.the wind in the stadium today was mad,hopefully it won't ruin the game next day.

Quote from: blast05 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

Quotea foul out the field

Seriously dude, you know in your heart of hearts that that was not a foul.
Terrible call by the ref.hi
That's up there as one of the hardest fairest shoulders i have ever seen. Up there with Tom Cunniffe a few years ago. Or the greatest one i ever saw (can any other Mayo folk remember this one!) ... Noel Connelly versus Galway in league winter 1995 - he nearly broke 6' 4" Fergal Gavin in front of the stand in McHale Park

Look at the clip again. Pretty clear. U can see Comers shoulder during the hit hence it wasn't shoulder to shoulder. It was a frontal charge and a cheap shot

Enjoyed listening to the mayo news podcast preview of the game.

Blake & Cullinane talking up the impact Meehan could have, I'd be surprised to see him get on at any point.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 06, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
Enjoyed listening to the mayo news podcast preview of the game.

Blake & Cullinane talking up the impact Meehan could have, I'd be surprised to see him get on at any point.

The Mayo News podcast is usually of a good standard whenever I give it a listen in fairness, I wouldn't be as mad keen on the contributions of the mayogaablog admin as other guests but it's a great thing for Mayo football followers to have to listen to.
It was a good point that was raised about the difference between the extent of the coverage of the football team in both counties, night and day between them and it was that way even when Mayo weren't one of the top teams in the country.

I can't see Meehan having any impact either, I read elsewhere that he started a challenge game for Galway recently but it's a bit much to expect a telling impact from him at this point, anything at all beyond being a great dressing room presence would be a positive.

I'd expect a big Mayo performance Sunday, if they play to potential it'll be hard to live with them but it'll be the Galway performance in the face of that on the day more so than the result which is of the most importance I feel.

Interesting quotes from Cillian McDaid in the article below about his AFL trails in Australia this October:
www.daraghoconchuir.ie/apps/blog/entries/show/44555802-mcdaid-and-okunbor-to-trial-at-afl-combine (http://www.daraghoconchuir.ie/apps/blog/entries/show/44555802-mcdaid-and-okunbor-to-trial-at-afl-combine)

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 06, 2017, 01:19:22 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 06, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
Enjoyed listening to the mayo news podcast preview of the game.

Blake & Cullinane talking up the impact Meehan could have, I'd be surprised to see him get on at any point.

Interesting quotes from Cillian McDaid in the article below about his AFL trails in Australia this October:
www.daraghoconchuir.ie/apps/blog/entries/show/44555802-mcdaid-and-okunbor-to-trial-at-afl-combine (http://www.daraghoconchuir.ie/apps/blog/entries/show/44555802-mcdaid-and-okunbor-to-trial-at-afl-combine)

He certainly seems keen to give it a go anyway. While I'd say he has the speed for it alright he looks a bit on the small side to me compared to the usual type that AFL clubs have been going for in recent years.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 06, 2017, 01:19:22 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 06, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
Enjoyed listening to the mayo news podcast preview of the game.

Blake & Cullinane talking up the impact Meehan could have, I'd be surprised to see him get on at any point.

The Mayo News podcast is usually of a good standard whenever I give it a listen in fairness, I wouldn't be as mad keen on the contributions of the mayogaablog admin as other guests but it's a great thing for Mayo football followers to have to listen to.
It was a good point that was raised about the difference between the extent of the coverage of the football team in both counties, night and day between them and it was that way even when Mayo weren't one of the top teams in the country.

I can't see Meehan having any impact either, I read elsewhere that he started a challenge game for Galway recently but it's a bit much to expect a telling impact from him at this point, anything at all beyond being a great dressing room presence would be a positive.

I'd expect a big Mayo performance Sunday, if they play to potential it'll be hard to live with them but it'll be the Galway performance in the face of that on the day more so than the result which is of the most importance I feel.

Interesting quotes from Cillian McDaid in the article below about his AFL trails in Australia this October:
www.daraghoconchuir.ie/apps/blog/entries/show/44555802-mcdaid-and-okunbor-to-trial-at-afl-combine (http://www.daraghoconchuir.ie/apps/blog/entries/show/44555802-mcdaid-and-okunbor-to-trial-at-afl-combine)

Putting it as mildly and diplomatically as possible I see. I wouldn't be so kind.

This is very good


http://m.independent.ie/life/travel/ireland/watch-mayo-gaa-stars-tog-out-for-tourism-and-its-surprisingly-moving-35794800.html

Any thoughts on teams for Sunday?

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Any thoughts on teams for Sunday?

Galway have better forwards rumour has it. Mayo supporters have lost the run of themselves, spotted 3 car flags in the last few days...

Quote from: ballinaman on June 07, 2017, 10:19:31 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Any thoughts on teams for Sunday?

Galway have better forwards rumour has it. Mayo supporters have lost the run of themselves, spotted 3 car flags in the last few days...

Ah them Mayo supporters letting the Hype get to them again!

Quote from: seafoid on June 07, 2017, 07:45:49 AM
This is very good


http://m.independent.ie/life/travel/ireland/watch-mayo-gaa-stars-tog-out-for-tourism-and-its-surprisingly-moving-35794800.html

They'll never win an All-Ireland if they are arsing around Belmullet taking selfies.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-day-of-reckoning-arrives-for-galway-1.3111117

Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2017, 08:12:55 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-day-of-reckoning-arrives-for-galway-1.3111117

The key now is for them to take the next step, to believe in the ability that's in the group, to expect to win on Sunday. . . to – as one Galway supporter of my acquaintance put it – "stop trying to be Cavan".

Spoke to a Cavan player recently, they played Galway a few weeks ago. He said Galway were getting as many men behind the ball as possible. I'd expect much the same on Sunday.

Mayo news podcast is excellent. Anyone know the boys on it?

Quote from: ck on June 08, 2017, 10:32:34 AM
Mayo news podcast is excellent. Anyone know the boys on it?

Diarmaid Blake, Barry Cullinane and Anthony Finnerty.

Quote from: ballinaman on June 08, 2017, 10:13:00 AM

Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2017, 08:12:55 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-day-of-reckoning-arrives-for-galway-1.3111117

The key now is for them to take the next step, to believe in the ability that's in the group, to expect to win on Sunday. . . to – as one Galway supporter of my acquaintance put it – "stop trying to be Cavan".

Spoke to a Cavan player recently, they played Galway a few weeks ago. He said Galway were getting as many men behind the ball as possible. I'd expect much the same on Sunday.

Me too. I wonder if the Mayo forwards are able to deal with that?

Any team predictions? I'd guess....
       
                               Clarke
Barrett.                    Caff.              Harrison
Boyle.                      Keegan.         Durcan

                   SOS.        Parsons

Boland.               Diarmuid O C.        Higgins/Kirby
McLoughlin.          Andy Moran.         Cillian O C..                 

Doherty in for Conor O'Shea the only change for Mayo.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 08, 2017, 01:15:33 PM
Doherty in for Conor O'Shea the only change for Mayo.

I still stand by my prediction  ;)

The Mayo team for Sundays Connacht Semi Final against Galway in Pearse Stadium at 4pm is:

1.   David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
2.   Chris Barrett (Belmulet)
3.   Ger Cafferkey (Ballina Stephenites)
4.   Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
5.   Colm Boyle (Davitts)
6.   Lee Keegan (Westport)
7.   Patrick Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels)
8.   Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
9.   Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
10. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
11. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
12. Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
13. Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
14. Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain)
15. Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen).

Hardly leave a o shea on the bench,Mr rochy playing his mind games!!

Of course he will. Rochford probably doesn't rate Galway all that highly.

Not that acting the boss in June is going to mean anything in the long run, it was mid-September when the mask slipped last year.

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
Of course he will. Rochford probably doesn't rate Galway all that highly.

He lost to them only 12 months ago.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 08, 2017, 02:21:46 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
Of course he will. Rochford probably doesn't rate Galway all that highly.

He lost to them only 12 months ago.

Galwaybayboy, if the gaaboard had taught us anything....it's that Syferus knows the mayo psyche more than mayo people themselves ....especially the Mayo management....he doesn't need the operator, he's got the direct line.

4/5 for under 31.5 points is a great bet if the weather is bad on Sunday, just hope its not as bad in Salthill as it was for the Connacht final last July. Will make a dour game even less of a spectacle.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 08, 2017, 02:32:46 PM
4/5 for under 31.5 points is a great bet if the weather is bad on Sunday, just hope its not as bad in Salthill as it was for the Connacht final last July. Will make a dour game even less of a spectacle.

Actually, I thought that the over on Galway at 14.5pts was attractive. WP that is.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 08, 2017, 02:21:46 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
Of course he will. Rochford probably doesn't rate Galway all that highly.

He lost to them only 12 months ago.

And Tipp hammered ye while Mayo were a switch to AOS/SOS's favourite keeper away from their AI.

Rochford is partly saber-rattling against the perception he's sub-servant to the axis of players that removed the duo and one wonders if anyone is actually fooled by this hard-line approach on AOS in May and June. Anyone that thinks if they were playing Dublin or Kerry in knockout on Sunday that AOS would have his arse on the bench are only fooling themselves.

Doesn't matter who Mayo were playing Sunday AOS in his current shape and lack of game time is not fit to start a championship game.

Doesn't matter who Mayowestros is playing Sunday Syfīn will still know more (in his own mind) than any manager pundit or Rhubarb supporter.

Be very surprised if we got a win from this one.
Galway have lightning forwards against a very tired and ageing mayo team.

Quote from: ballinaman on June 07, 2017, 10:19:31 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Any thoughts on teams for Sunday?

Galway have better forwards rumour has it. Mayo supporters have lost the run of themselves, spotted 3 car flags in the last few days...

I read one article written by a galway man where he said they wouldn't take any of Mayos forwards in the galway team, COC included...

And they say it is the Mayo lads that get carried away with things

Quote from: larryin89 on June 08, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Be very surprised if we got a win from this one.
Galway have lightning forwards against a very tired and ageing mayo team.

Not overly confident myself, we have three starting forwards, who are not point shooters from outside thirty yards, even when free. I have a feeling that forward line is just way too predictable. Galway's goal will be to deny Cillian ball and their job will be half done.

I really wish Barry Moran or Aiden O Shea were full forward but not sure if either would last the full game.

Quote from: joemamas on June 08, 2017, 04:16:15 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 08, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Be very surprised if we got a win from this one.
Galway have lightning forwards against a very tired and ageing mayo team.

Not overly confident myself, we have three starting forwards, who are not point shooters from outside thirty yards, even when free. I have a feeling that forward line is just way too predictable. Galway's goal will be to deny Cillian ball and their job will be half done.

I really wish Barry Moran or Aiden O Shea were full forward but not sure if either would last the full game.

Isn't there a very obvious solution then?

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 08, 2017, 04:12:38 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on June 07, 2017, 10:19:31 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Any thoughts on teams for Sunday?

Galway have better forwards rumour has it. Mayo supporters have lost the run of themselves, spotted 3 car flags in the last few days...

I read one article written by a galway man where he said they wouldn't take any of Mayos forwards in the galway team, COC included...

And they say it is the Mayo lads that get carried away with things

I've seen it stated elsewhere that the bloke who wrote that isn't from Galway.

Rochford speaks

Pressure and expectation accompany Mayo into every Connacht Championship encounter, but 2016 brought a reminder of the dangers that exist in the west.

Five provincial titles in a row marked Mayo down as a team of admirable consistency, but Galway produced a defiant display to cause a shock.

It was rewarded with a stirring Castlebar victory which Stephen Rochard admits was a real setback at the time. "In the immediate aftermath you're probably thinking something like that," Rochford admits.

"You're probably looking at it to say what could you have done better. But I don't think you can stick too long on that when you've got a qualifier route to take on, and how things can come quick and fast there.

"You don't get time to ponder or reflect too deeply on it. It may have given you a little bit of a shake, but it wasn't a big knock."

Having guided Corofin to an AIB All Ireland SFC club title Rochford is well aware of the talent in Galway.

"Yeah, very impressed," Rochford replies. "They have shown a steady progression over the last two, three years.

"Obviously their Under 21s had a fine run in the Under 21 Championship. Their minors put on a display here (in Castlebar) a number of weeks ago.

"Their seniors now are FBD champions, Division 2 champions, Connacht champions. That cabinet is getting fairly packed. We know that it's going to be quite a battle going up into their back garden. But at the same time it's one that we are quietly looking forward to."

Respectful of Galway, Rochford reckons the return of Fiontán Ó Curraoin, Sean Armstrong, and Michael Meehan to the inter-county arena is a huge boost for the Tribesmen.

"They play quite a tight game at the back," Rochford says about Galway. "They like to drop in numbers. You've probably seen Johnny Heaney and Tom Flynn looking to keep things reasonably tight.

"Fiontán Ó Curraoin in their team has obviously offered them an additional physical aspect that they didn't have last year.

"They've matched that now with the experience with Sean Armstrong coming back in and Mike Meehan is in the corridors and is training away with them. It wouldn't surprise me for Mike to play some time.

"What we expect is quality all over the field and a real battle with a couple of the quality forwards they have as well."

Rochford stresses that Mayo aren't altering their approach in 2017 in any way ahead of the Galway tussle. "No, not typically," Rochford remarks. "We've had a game (Sligo) that's a week earlier than what we played in the Championship last year.

"There hasn't been any major change and maybe that comes from a familiarity with the group that I wouldn't have had as such this time last year.

"We're 12 months on, which means as a group we're 18 months into it. I wouldn't say that there is any material change."

Jaysis. FBD champions. Division 2 champions.

When you put it like that Rocho, well, you have absolutely no point whatsoever.

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 08, 2017, 04:12:38 PM

Quote from: ballinaman on June 07, 2017, 10:19:31 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Any thoughts on teams for Sunday?

Galway have better forwards rumour has it. Mayo supporters have lost the run of themselves, spotted 3 car flags in the last few days...

I read one article written by a galway man where he said they wouldn't take any of Mayos forwards in the galway team, COC included...

And they say it is the Mayo lads that get carried away with things

Are you 100% certain that the writer of that article is a Galway man?
I don't agree with the notion that Galway wouldn't take any Mayo forwards anyway, DOC playing at a 2015 standard would walk onto the current Galway team.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2017, 04:49:57 PM

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Any thoughts on teams for Sunday?

Galway have better forwards rumour has it. Mayo supporters have lost the run of themselves, spotted 3 car flags in the last few days...

I read one article written by a galway man where he said they wouldn't take any of Mayos forwards in the galway team, COC included...

And they say it is the Mayo lads that get carried away with things

Are you 100% certain that the writer of that article is a Galway man?
I don't agree with the notion that Galway wouldn't take any Mayo forwards anyway, DOC playing at a 2015 standard would walk onto the current Galway team.

Not a Galway man at all. Writes a sports betting article for the Galway Independent from time to time. He's from Donegal!

Yeah I would have been surprised at any Galway supporter who has watched the Galway-Mayo games of the last few years making that statement, he's definitely wrong in his assertion anyway.
The more credible statement would be that Mayo wouldn't take any one of the Galway back line.

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Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Any thoughts on teams for Sunday?

Galway have better forwards rumour has it. Mayo supporters have lost the run of themselves, spotted 3 car flags in the last few days...

I read one article written by a galway man where he said they wouldn't take any of Mayos forwards in the galway team, COC included...

And they say it is the Mayo lads that get carried away with things

Are you 100% certain that the writer of that article is a Galway man?
I don't agree with the notion that Galway wouldn't take any Mayo forwards anyway, DOC playing at a 2015 standard would walk onto the current Galway team.

What do you mean by standard? His workrate and teamwork? As his scoring wasn't overly impressive that summer, for the record 5 championship games DOC played in 2015 scoring 0-7 and 0-4 of that was scored against wide open Sligo defence in the Connacht final.

On a scale of 1 to overrated. D'OC is reaching new levels. Like is this actually happening? Anyways, leave it to the chokers to get upset about a ridiculous Donegal's man article, reluctantly published in a Galway newspaper because its full of shite. Anyways...im sure its up on the dressing room wall, some terrible tipster talking shit. Fuel lads, fuel

Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2017, 04:19:55 AM
On a scale of 1 to overrated. D'OC is reaching new levels. Like is this actually happening? Anyways, leave it to the chokers to get upset about a ridiculous Donegal's man article, reluctantly published in a Galway newspaper because its full of shite. Anyways...im sure its up on the dressing room wall, some terrible tipster talking shit. Fuel lads, fuel

Who's getting upset about it? You're certainly a tad wound up about it.

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Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Any thoughts on teams for Sunday?

Galway have better forwards rumour has it. Mayo supporters have lost the run of themselves, spotted 3 car flags in the last few days...

I read one article written by a galway man where he said they wouldn't take any of Mayos forwards in the galway team, COC included...

And they say it is the Mayo lads that get carried away with things

Are you 100% certain that the writer of that article is a Galway man?
I don't agree with the notion that Galway wouldn't take any Mayo forwards anyway, DOC playing at a 2015 standard would walk onto the current Galway team.

What do you mean by standard? His workrate and teamwork?

His overall play in general that year really, he was one of the more impressive players on one of the top teams in the country. Given the way the game has gone I wouldn't be too hung up on scoring rates by half forwards that you want to go up and down the pitch personally. He wasn't great last year (which is why I stated 2015 standard) although he was apparently injured.

Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2017, 04:19:55 AM
On a scale of 1 to overrated. D'OC is reaching new levels. Like is this actually happening?

Don't get me wrong here, I wouldn't have him rated as highly as some Mayo people (better than Michael Donnellan at the same age was a statement from last year on mayogaablog  ::)) but I think it would be foolish to state that he wouldn't have a place on the Galway HF line if playing to his best.

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Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2017, 04:19:55 AM
On a scale of 1 to overrated. D'OC is reaching new levels. Like is this actually happening? Anyways, leave it to the chokers to get upset about a ridiculous Donegal's man article, reluctantly published in a Galway newspaper because its full of shite. Anyways...im sure its up on the dressing room wall, some terrible tipster talking shit. Fuel lads, fuel

Who's getting upset about it? You're certainly a tad wound up about it.

Look, he had a hard night at it. He probably had to listen to some Mayo bucks in Supermacs while he was waiting for his snack box.

PJ had a fair swipe at this mayo team .

Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2017, 04:19:55 AM
On a scale of 1 to overrated. D'OC is reaching new levels. Like is this actually happening? Anyways, leave it to the chokers to get upset about a ridiculous Donegal's man article, reluctantly published in a Galway newspaper because its full of shite. Anyways...im sure its up on the dressing room wall, some terrible tipster talking shit. Fuel lads, fuel

Name a better Galway forward than him who's scored in the business end of championship??  ;D

As for chokers ye havent won a chmpionship game in Croke Park in 16 years.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 08:59:50 AM
PJ had a fair swipe at this mayo team .

He said Mayo would be bet if they lined out as currently selected.  He also said that Galway were not there yet and that was obvious from standard of the  the Div 1 and 2 league finals earlier this year and that we are probably 2 -3 years behind.

Aye the business end , something our aristocratic neighbours tell us all the time , " ye haven't the forwards to score when it matters on all Ireland final day"

Yet the Damien comers and Shane Walsh's are the best around .

Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
Aye the business end , something our aristocratic neighbours tell us all the time , " ye haven't the forwards to score when it matters on all Ireland final day"

Yet the Damien comers and Shane Walsh's are the best around .

You seem a little rattled Larry! LOL!!  You'll find plenty of support around here from the likes of Syf and MAM - ye all seem to be cut from the same cloth!

Rattled ! Aye with a severe dose of summer flu .

Joyce said a lot more besides what you have quoted there . he said Galway had the better scoring forwards being honest (doubt he's a very honest person ) , better spread too. Mayo know how to play the refs and know how to engineer frees .

Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 09:57:28 AM
Rattled ! Aye with a severe dose of summer flu .

Joyce said a lot more besides what you have quoted there . he said Galway had the better scoring forwards being honest (doubt he's a very honest person ) , better spread too. Mayo know how to play the refs and know how to engineer frees .

I think he is probably right but it remains to be seen if they get enough ball to prove that.  Also, the Mayo back 7 are far superior to ours so it will be a real big test of our forwards on Sun to eek out somewhere between 15 - 17 scores which "should" be enough to win.  I don't see our tactics changing too much from the league - plenty of bodies back and attach at pace on the counter, stay in the game for as long as possible and then use the bench when space starts to open up in the last 15 - 20 mins - that is one area where we do have a lot more options that Mayo in terms of forwards to come in late on.  Really looking forward to the game and how we front up to the Mayo challenge as there is no way ye could be as poor as last year - that's what will show if we have really made any progress or still playing catch-up.

Anybody put the piece up what Joyce actually did quote. Rather plucking quotes to suit agendas.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 09:57:28 AM
Mayo know how to play the refs and know how to engineer frees .

Whatever about engineering frees - certainly based on the Sligo match - one of the improvements Mayo have made from last year is in the systematic fouling stakes. They were excellent at rotating around who was doing the fouling of Sligo players as they attempted to move out beyond their 65 into Mayo territory for an attacking move, expect more of the same on Sunday from Mayo.
It was Kerryesque in it's cynical effectiveness, this shouldn't be taken as anything other than a compliment to Mayo by the way, this is what it takes to win.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
" ye haven't the forwards to score when it matters on all Ireland final day"

Fair or unfair, the reality of the situation is that it'll always be said until Mayo win the big one, in contrast you won't hear anyone ever saying Mayo don't have the backs to win it.

Much like last year I'm only travelling to this Connacht semi-final in hope more than expectation, if the Mayo team of last September shows up near enough full pelt on Sunday they should have more than enough to win, there's no excuse for getting caught on the hop this year anyway.

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Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
Aye the business end , something our aristocratic neighbours tell us all the time , " ye haven't the forwards to score when it matters on all Ireland final day"

Yet the Damien comers and Shane Walsh's are the best around .

You seem a little rattled Larry! LOL!!  You'll find plenty of support around here from the likes of Syf and MAM - ye all seem to be cut from the same cloth!

Don't bring my name into your shite talking.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2017, 10:24:20 AM
Anybody put the piece up what Joyce actually did quote. Rather plucking quotes to suit agendas.

It not a written piece Farr and there are no agenda's!!  They are quotes from a Galway / Mayo preview night that was on in An Pucan yesterday evening.  it was hosted by Colm Parkinson and the likes of Mark O'Shea, John Maughan, Conor Mort, Ray Silke, PJ, Savo were on stage to answer the usual sort of questions about Sun's game - the usual type of stuff really that you get at this type of event. 

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Aye the business end , something our aristocratic neighbours tell us all the time , " ye haven't the forwards to score when it matters on all Ireland final day"

Yet the Damien comers and Shane Walsh's are the best around .

You seem a little rattled Larry! LOL!!  You'll find plenty of support around here from the likes of Syf and MAM - ye all seem to be cut from the same cloth!

Don't bring my name into your shite talking.

Go away ya clown, ya haven't a clue.  You made a right ass of yourself here on the equivalent thread last year and then copper fastened you well earned reputation in the subsequent Conn Final one.   

I'm not bringing your name into anything , you're a mess, I don't even pay much heed to your posts anymore .

I didn't know this could be done until last year but FYI lads:

This board has an ''Ignore' function.
Click on 'Profile' near the top of the page.
Select 'Account Settings'.
Then choose 'Modify Profile'.
There, click on 'Buddies/Ignore List'.
Stick in the screen name of whoever you want to ignore.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 09, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
I didn't know this could be done until last year but FYI lads:

This board has an ''Ignore' function.
Click on 'Profile' near the top of the page.
Select 'Account Settings'.
Then choose 'Modify Profile'.
There, click on 'Buddies/Ignore List'.
Stick in the screen name of whoever you want to ignore.

Thank you

Why didn't I know about this ages ago

Why would ye ignore Syf?

He's Roscommon's answer to Tony Fearon.

I've had lots of run ins with him, but I do admire his passion and naivety...

U-17 teams for Sunday named

Mayo: J McNicholas (Kiltimagh); J Coyne (Ballyhaunis), B McLeod (Louisburgh), J Higgins (Aghamore); A McHale (Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin), R Brickenden (Westport), A McDonnell (Ballintubber); P Golderick (Charlestown), J Gallagher (Mayo Gaels); P Lambert (Westport), E Rowley (Westport), L Burke (Ballinrobe); J Jennings (Mayo Gaels), T Morris (Hollymount/Carramore), P Towey (Charlestown).

Galway: J Gubbins (Leitir Mór); C O'Neill (Cill Chonla), S Fitzgerald (Bearna), T Considine (Bóthar na Trá/Cnoc na Cathrach); C Monahan (Uachtar Ard), J Glynn (Baile Clár na Gaillimhe), M Boyle (Bearna); C Walsh (Baile Clár na Gaillimhe), J Keady (Bearna); O Moran (Cill Chlorín/Cluain Bheirne), M Tierney (Uachtar Ard), A Halloran (Bóthar na Trá/Cnoc na Cathrach); K Craven (Cill Chonla), O McDonagh (Leitir Mór), B Harlow (Naomh Micheál)

Mortimer looking to get his name out there in the media again with his comment that there is clearly a problem between AOS & management.

I thought Savage came across very well, better than any of the rest of them, thought Mark O'Se would never shut up.

As for Joyce he was hardly talking Galway up, said Galway were at least a few years off challenging the top teams; As for Mayo they are a very streetwise team as you'd expect given all the experience they accumulated over the last 7 years.

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I thought Savage came across very well, better than any of the rest of them

Agreed, I don't think I've seen or heard him do any media work previously.

More importantly lads did John Maughan get Emma's number? He said he was going to show her his legs up close.

Its all rose tinted glasses lads and lassies , its all bs tbh. You're in one camp you're hardly going to notice a hero being bias. Take it from our side Joyce never stfu with his jibes at mayo some subtle some not so , its been on going for years now.

After Sunday there's nowhere to hide , either mayo have been caught or not . Last year was this that or the other , its none of them this year , all excuses out the fuckin window.

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Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
Aye the business end , something our aristocratic neighbours tell us all the time , " ye haven't the forwards to score when it matters on all Ireland final day"

Yet the Damien comers and Shane Walsh's are the best around .

You seem a little rattled Larry! LOL!!  You'll find plenty of support around here from the likes of Syf and MAM - ye all seem to be cut from the same cloth!

Don't bring my name into your shite talking.

Go away ya clown, ya haven't a clue.  You made a right ass of yourself here on the equivalent thread last year and then copper fastened you well earned reputation in the subsequent Conn Final one.

You should read back what you said with a cooler head and you might realise who is being the jackass here. You're the one who brought up my name entirely unsolicited. The standard of discussion here from some is little more than playground insults.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 02:51:30 PM
Its all rose tinted glasses lads and lassies , its all bs tbh. You're in one camp you're hardly going to notice a hero being bias. Take it from our side Joyce never stfu with his jibes at mayo some subtle some not so , its been on going for years now.

After Sunday there's nowhere to hide , either mayo have been caught or not . Last year was this that or the other , its none of them this year , all excuses out the fuckin window.

Maughan got plenty of jibes in too but I wouldn't I wouldn't be getting worked up about it. Its a rivalry, some are more into the sly digs than others, thats life.

Telling me horan didn't rise the head off some of yer lot last year? A disaster in many respects cause it definitely gave some fire to the galway set up such was his tone in the lead up to last years clash.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 03:47:19 PM
Telling me horan didn't rise the head off some of yer lot last year? A disaster in many respects cause it definitely gave some fire to the galway set up such was his tone in the lead up to last years clash.

I'm only sorry he's not at it again this year to be honest!

Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2017, 03:47:19 PM
Telling me horan didn't rise the head off some of yer lot last year? A disaster in many respects cause it definitely gave some fire to the galway set up such was his tone in the lead up to last years clash.

How well you've remembered.  ;)

Does anyone think that Aidan O'Shea won't start Sunday? He could cause Galway all sorts of trouble.

I'd say both teams will have some last minute changes come throw up.

I don't really see huge changes in the Galway team bar Damien Comer coming in at full forward, and possibly Kyne coming in to the full back line.

Syferus isn't a bad lad, rattles a few cages at times but you need that. No point ignoring lads and only listening to a load of people you agree with.

Talking to a few Mayo lads, they're fierce confident coming down to Salthill, saying it's only a matter of turning up.......only joking. Funny lads conducting the poor mouth/we're the underdogs/we respect ye more/ye think we're rubbish -  media battle as if it impacts the game what is said on here.

I'd say it will be a bit of a battle and we might see a couple of sendings off. Mayo will have revenge on their minds, and Galway will still feel they're not getting respect off Mayo and thinking back to the thrashing in Pearse stadium.

Quote from: DJGaliv on June 09, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
Does anyone think that Aidan O'Shea won't start Sunday? He could cause Galway all sorts of trouble.

I'd say both teams will have some last minute changes come throw up.

Yes i do and have already given the reason why he shouldn't be starting. He started last year and didn't cause Galway all sorts of trouble some seem to forget that though? The older O Shea,D O Connor and Andy Moran didn't start last year v Galway and all will cause all sorts of trouble to Galway on Sunday IMO.

Lavelle
Sweeney
Kyne
Silke
Bradshaw
O'Donnell
Wynne
Flynn
O'Curraoin
Heaney
Conroy
Walsh
Daly
Comer
Armstrong

No Brannigan and Gary O'Donnell centre back? Hopefully there'll be changes before throw in or else we're going to have a massive hole in our defence with all the trips up the field he takes.

My first thought there is where is Brannigan?
He was consistently good in the league.
Strange unless there will be changes before throw in

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 09, 2017, 09:03:37 PM
Lavelle
Sweeney
Kyne
Silke
Bradshaw
O'Donnell
Wynne
Flynn
O'Curraoin
Heaney
Conroy
Walsh
Daly
Comer
Armstrong

No Sice,Cummins,Brannigan named to start goes to show the strength in depth Galway have right now in the forward options.

Through the twistin, turnin, windin roads of Galway and Mayo.
Nice to see the Galway voice back - they've been too quiet. Nothing to get a Mayo man's blood rising like a cocky Galway f**ker (Rossie ignorant hoors are a different type of annoyance)

Quote from: Tubberman on June 09, 2017, 10:57:09 PM
Through the twistin, turnin, windin roads of Galway and Mayo.
Nice to see the Galway voice back - they've been too quiet. Nothing to get a Mayo man's blood rising like a cocky Galway f**ker (Rossie ignorant hoors are a different type of annoyance)

+1

Mayo lads looking at that team thinking the game is in the bag for them.
Suits us grand, we'll give it a rattle I'd say

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-end-of-the-line-or-their-big-year-35810510.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2VpR8HahKc

A double of Mayo footballers and Galway hurlers would be epic

Will be very surprised if there's not changes to both teams before the throw in, I'd ordinarily say "may the best team win" but as the better team is surely Mayo I'll leave it at hup Galway!

Great article in the Examiner today.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mayo-v-galway-when-defence-can-be-best-form-of-attack-452188.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mayo-v-galway-when-defence-can-be-best-form-of-attack-452188.html)

The golden age of the scoring half-back may indeed be now but they aren't a new phenomenon. Johnny Hughes — "the great" Johnny Hughes as he is still affectionately termed — is testament to that.

From his customary left-wing back position, he scored 1-1 in the 1973 All-Ireland final defeat to Cork on his way to picking up the first of his two All-Stars. A year later and he picked off two points again going down in September to Dublin.

"It was nothing new at the time for me to being forward or kicking 50s. It wasn't that you were given the licence. You got on the ball and you kept going. At that time you had the thing in your head that you kicked it dead — over the bar or wide — or you gave it to somebody. As long as you didn't lose possession when you were out of position.

"I always felt I was plenty fast enough to get back."

Hughes was comfortable on his toes as his heels. Lee Keegan might be the closest modern day version to him but, without mentioning Mayo, he knows scoring backs only get you so far. He can hark back to the '74 final when Galway's forwards managed only three points. "Good forwards can win matches but good backs cannot. Now, bad backs can lose matches. There's no contradiction there."

Mayo prompts mixed feelings in the Mountbellew native. He's got close friends there now and would dearly love to see them win an All-Ireland but as a player they never spooked him.

"We had good battles with Mayo, ding-dong ones before Roscommon took over. We never feared Mayo in the early seventies but then we felt we could have beaten anyone.

"I know the game and people will say it has changed for the better but back then it was man-for-man and you marked a man and if you weren't able to beat him you were taken off. There was no feigning injury, no black, yellow or red cards. We had the Indian sign on Mayo.

"If you were playing the f**kers for a box of matches you wanted to beat the s*** out of them. That was about the size of it but when it was over you shook their hand and any old incident was forgotten about until you took to the field again when a score had to be settled."

In four championship meetings with Mayo, Hughes only experienced one defeat — the 1981 semi-final. "After we had won the shagging National League," he recalls. To add injury to insult, he broke his ankle and had a plate and five screws inserted as well as a bone under his knee grafted to his ankle. "They said I might never walk again but I came on in the All-Ireland semi-final in '82."

He returned the following year to enjoy another win over Mayo on his way to a third and last All-Ireland final, which he regrets to this day on a number of levels never mind the result against Dublin.

"It was a debacle. I should never have played in that final. I got four injections up into the groin the week before it and during it, I tore the abductor tendon away from the bone. But after playing for 13 or 14 years, I felt we were going to win this one and I didn't want to miss it."

The middle of Hughes' Galway career was marked by provincial disappointment. There was Roscommon's four-in-a-row and Sligo's 1975 when they pulverised Galway in the semi-final: "That was the time we brought on Pateen Donnellan. The line in the paper on the day after was 'Pateen Donnellan came on wearing a faded No24 jersey – and the man, no more than the jersey, belonged to another decade."

Some might says Hughes' sympathy for Mayo may have something to do with him being something of kindred spirit having lost the three All-Ireland finals he played in. He doesn't deny that.

"There's a thin line between winning and losing and it's unreal how small it is. My heart goes out to them.

"I would love to see them win an All-Ireland but not at our expense. I'd be an out-and-out Galway man but I'm a proud Connacht man too and whatever county represents the province I'd be fully behind them."

Mayo's physical strength is what Galway need to pay most attention to in Salthill tomorrow, he feels.

"If Galway move the ball quickly, I'd give them a right good chance. But if we start dilly-dallying with it I wouldn't give us much chance. We have good lively forwards but there isn't much point in having them if you don't are moving the ball quickly forward.

"For the first 10 minutes against Tipperary last year, I felt we were firing on all cylinders. We were four or five points to one up but for some reason we decided to sit back and hold the ball up and invited Tipperary onto us and they gave us a lesson and they were far the better team.

"The likes of Damien Comer is a right good forward and if you get the ball into him around the house we're going to get scores but if the ball is not let in early and there are four or five bodies around him he's not going to do any damage. I'm a great believer that if the ball is up the other end of the field you can't be hurt."

There is something very special about Galway v Mayo matches. The hurling analysts alwayes go on about the magic of Munster hurling and how it brings back memories of heros of the past . I would always associate this match up with people like Willie Joe, McHale, McDonald, James Horan and Galway players like Barry Brennan, Val Daly, the Donnellan Brothers etc.

As for the teams yeah I would expect there may be changes on both sides. Slightly surprised to see Michael Daly start. I thought he would be on the bench to be honest but apparently he kicked 0-5 from play in a recent challenge game against Kerry which seems to have got him the nod.

I don't see any reliable free taker in that Galway forward line  :-[

Quote from: Duine Eile on June 10, 2017, 03:58:46 PM
I don't see any reliable free taker in that Galway forward line  :-[

How will take them on the day? Armstrong & Daly?

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Quote from: Duine Eile on June 10, 2017, 03:58:46 PM
I don't see any reliable free taker in that Galway forward line  :-[

How will take them on the day? Armstrong & Daly?

Conroy,Comer with the long range frees and Armstrong with the short range frees i can imagine.

None of the three are left footed. Also wouldn't describe any of them as being top class free takers.
Sice will be missed for frees on the right hand side.

Yep seafoid. Galway V Mayo are great occasions, there is a magic to it , if you appreciate the tradition of the rivalry . my first memory was 1984 v Galway in salthil , only 7 years old , man it doesn't feel like it was so long ago and I'm the same child like mindset the night before here 33 years later. Haha.

1930s I think is where the legacy of the rivalry comes from, galway with 2 Sam's Mayo with 1 in that decade along with 6 league titles on the bounce , I've read they cycled from all over the country for mayo v galway games in them days . (Murray the Roscommon capt 40s indeed said it gave him the inspiration )

Bit of a ramble lol. Safe travels to all tmrw , maigheo abu

Blustery morning here in salthill,blowing in towards the city goal,whoever wins the toss will have a big bearing on how this game ends up,who can adapt to the conditions better? also when a o shea will be introduced if playing with the wind in 1st half bring him in and plenty of long ball?
so many questions so little time!!

Its rumored that Vaughan will start in place of Boyle and Coen to start also can anyone confirm this?

I fear it won't be much of a spectacle anyway. Blowing a gale and wet underfoot too.

Galway 0-4 Mayo 0-3 at half time in the U17 game in Salthill. It might suggest that the senior game will also be low scoring.

Conditions are very tough in salthill.
Think it will deffo ruin the game.

Sorry I can't make it so all I can do is run everybody out of the house, pull the blinds and take the phone off the hook from about 3.30 onwards till the ref blows the long whistle. I'll have no problem routing them out and that includes the poor dog!
He doesn't speak French but he knows I do, especially when the heron-chokers are looking dangerous. I have never thrown anything at the telly so far but I did make shite of a light shade the time Pee Joyce ghosted through the Mayo defence and well and truly fecked my afternoon and many more to follow.  I had the misfortune to be standing up at that moment and I just happened to have a golf club in my hand. And as they say, the rest is history!
Funny thing is that I can remember vividly a whole  load of Galway forwards, from Mattie McDonagh to Micheal Meehan without a bother but there are/were very few Mayo forwards that stand out in my mind. Jinking Joe to Ciaran Mac is a whole load of years but nobody in the interim really comes to mind as I'm now counting down the minutes to 4 o'clock.
Maybe it's not so surprising that, where my memory is concerned, the situation is almost completely reversed at the other end of the field. No shortage of memorable Mayo defenders and midfielders too but that's the way it is to this day unless Diarmuid O'Connor finds another gear.
It's an indictment of Mayo's attacking potential that Andy Moran will probably be the one to most likely to cause headaches for the Galway defence. Ah, maybe today will be different but I won't rest happy until the ref leaves the pitch and Mayo are at least sis points ahead at the long whistle.
Safe travelling to all who are heading to the game and may we have a game to remember.

FT in the U-17

Galway 2-7 Mayo 0-5

U17 result Galway 2-7 Mayo 0-5. McDonagh with 1-3 and set up the other Galway goal. Mayo only managed one point from play. Galway have now beaten Mayo at U17,Minor and U21 level in the Connacht championship this year can they now make it 4 from 4 later this afternoon?

Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 11, 2017, 01:36:18 PM
Its rumored that Vaughan will start in place of Boyle and Coen to start also can anyone confirm this?

Correct.
Morrissey said Boyle out, but Brady said he could come on.

Duirmuid Clarke in goal for Mayo apapartently...

Mayo win toss and will play against the gale first.

Are 8 and 9 for Galway the same as when they beat Mayo last year? (looks diff to me but memory not what it once was!)

Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2017, 03:56:16 PM
Are 8 and 9 for Galway the same as when they beat Mayo last year? (looks diff to me but memory not what it once was!)

FOC and Walsh had a bit of a falling out last year so he wasn't around for that one.

We should win this well. Park the bus against wind and go for broke in second half. We have 3/4 against goals in us against this leaky Galway defence. Have €20 to be MOTM @8/1

GAA go on the blink

cillian already up his usual acting

Knee in the balls by Higgins. Right decsion by ref

Some dive by Cillian for the black card  ;D

Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2017, 04:30:57 PM
Knee in the balls by Higgins. Right decsion by ref

Pure filth from Higgins. Red card all day long. I wonder will he appeal??????

Ridiculous black card for galway player. He stood his ground. Cillian O'Connor was a disgrace with his dive. Been spending too much time watching the movie platoon.

Total cheating by COC there and secured both a black card and a point.

I thought Flynn fouled him all right but a black card?

Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2017, 04:30:57 PM
Knee in the balls by Higgins. Right decsion by ref

Some dive by Cillian for the black card  ;D

Any streams lads? I have one but it's a bit crap would love to see another replay of the O'Connor incident I think the same as you Hound he looked to run into the Galway lad and fall down!

Quote from: weareros on June 11, 2017, 04:36:37 PM
Total cheating by COC there and secured both a black card and a point.

COC done nothing wrong

Jesus lads read up on the rules, black card all day long, Galway man body checked him.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Jesus lads read up on the rules, black card all day long, Galway man body checked him.

you are allowed to stand your ground

But he didnt stand his ground did he, he was still moving forwards, not standing his ground to stop the mayo man getting by him!!

sending off and black cards were correct calls but foolish by Higgins,Flynn. Galway with the extra man and Mayo with the wind advantage makes for a interesting 2nd half.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Jesus lads read up on the rules, black card all day long, Galway man body checked him.

I know mayo forwards are rubbish but is he supposed to just step out of the way and let him score. If you watch it the galway player doesn't move and COC runs into him and throws himself to the ground. The way he threw himself down its a wonder he didn't injure himself. Joke of a decision

Quote from: dublin7 on June 11, 2017, 04:42:27 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Jesus lads read up on the rules, black card all day long, Galway man body checked him.

I know mayo forwards are rubbish but is he supposed to just step out of the way and let him score. If you watch it the galway player doesn't move and COC runs into him and throws himself to the ground. The way he threw himself down its a wonder he didn't injure himself. Joke of a decision

After seeing the replay I thought it was pretty harsh but in real time it was a definite black.

The Higgins one looked soft enough. Was there something more to it or was it for the shove into Comer's chest?

Cillian O'Connor definitely should have walked after he threw two punches at Galway players in quick succession - also got the Galway lad black carded, much like he did with James McCarthy last year.

Galway playing with gale force wind and an extra man allowing Mayo to get possession from kickouts. This will come back to haunt them second half

Quote from: dublin7 on June 11, 2017, 04:42:27 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Jesus lads read up on the rules, black card all day long, Galway man body checked him.

I know mayo forwards are rubbish but is he supposed to just step out of the way and let him score. If you watch it the galway player doesn't move and COC runs into him and throws himself to the ground.

That's how I saw it. COC knew he wasn't getting to the ball so ran into Flynn and collapsed. Ref bought it. If it was anyone else I'd give them the benefit of the doubt but COC is up to all sorts today.

Higgins did fvck all....Comer play acting

Quote from: Mano on June 11, 2017, 04:44:34 PM
Galway playing with gale force wind and an extra man allowing Mayo to get possession from kickouts. This will come back to haunt them second half

Yeah it's ridiculous really. Played the first half like we were against the wind.

Quote from: dublin7 on June 11, 2017, 04:42:27 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Jesus lads read up on the rules, black card all day long, Galway man body checked him.

I know mayo forwards are rubbish but is he supposed to just step out of the way and let him score. If you watch it the galway player doesn't move and COC runs into him and throws himself to the ground. The way he threw himself down its a wonder he didn't injure himself. Joke of a decision

Embarrassing from COC. Incident was exact same as James McCarthy blackcard in AI final last year. COC is exempt from red cards, has gotten away with a lot over the years.

Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2017, 04:46:40 PM
Higgins did fvck all....Comer play acting

Knee in the balls.

We have the wind and our experience will see us over the line. Galway havent scored goal in their last 4 games. Hopefully Higgins will appeal red card for Connacht final.

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 11, 2017, 04:52:36 PM
We have the wind and our experience will see us over the line. Hopefully Higgins will appeal red card for Connacht final.

Appeal a knee in the balls. Good luck with that!

How is the stupid ballsless fook of a midlands mod allowing another muppet ruin mayo threads (mayoaremagic)?

Not much grounds for appeal looking at half time replay . Higgins was foolish to say the least. Also Flynn looks like he was harshly black carded . The benefit of replays I suppose. Expect Aidan o Shea to come on at 14 and balls being pumped into him

Quote from: Helix on June 11, 2017, 04:54:19 PM

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 11, 2017, 04:52:36 PM
We have the wind and our experience will see us over the line. Hopefully Higgins will appeal red card for Connacht final.

Appeal a knee in the balls. Good luck with that!

It's the gaa and in particular senior intercounty football.

The fact he clearly deserved red is irrelevant. What's important is your knowledge of the rule book and the ability of your solicitor. In fairness this is something both Mayo & Dublin have plebty of experience with after getting red cards overturned for Keane, Keegan & Connolly

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 11, 2017, 04:52:36 PM
We have the wind and our experience will see us over the line. Galway havent scored goal in their last 4 games. Hopefully Higgins will appeal red card for Connacht final.

Are you for f**king real? He kneed him in the balls ffs

Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2017, 04:51:44 PM

Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2017, 04:46:40 PM
Higgins did fvck all....Comer play acting

Knee in the balls.

I stand corrected.  The commentator during the replay said he punched him and there was no definitely punch

Quote from: galwayman on June 11, 2017, 04:58:13 PM

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 11, 2017, 04:52:36 PM
We have the wind and our experience will see us over the line. Galway havent scored goal in their last 4 games. Hopefully Higgins will appeal red card for Connacht final.

Are you for f**king real? He kneed him in the balls ffs

No, he's not for real!

But the mods allow that kind of shite to proliferate, such as yer man and the Stallion. Midlands enuch could fix it, but chooses not to. Took on the responsilibily to be a moderator, but lets us all down by his incompetence. Dickhead really, as he is most to blame for spoiling threads

Quote from: Mano on June 11, 2017, 04:44:34 PM
Galway playing with gale force wind and an extra man allowing Mayo to get possession from kickouts. This will come back to haunt them second half

They have rectified that at last at the start of the second half

AOS is on. Mayo need matches like this.

Kevin Mcloughlin putting in great shift for mayo

AOS caught napping there
must have been snapchatting or something

Mayo are focused on September. #sureitsonlytheleague

A huge let off for Galway there.

This is why the provincial championship is irreplaceable @Zulu

Free there for Galway....can't pull the ball out of someone's hands....mcQuillan not giving it of course

Great game. Galway rode their luck with the sending off and those last 15 minutes, but they definitely proved that last year was more than a fluke.

Not looking forward to another Connacht final in the wind tunnel..

Some contest. Hard luck Mayo.

Did our best to throw that away in the last 10 minutes after we looked in control. Full-back line and keeper spread some amount of panic between them.

Somebody sort out Sean Andy with a job in Galway for next year. Badly needed.

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 11, 2017, 04:52:36 PM
We have the wind and our experience will see us over the line. Galway havent scored goal in their last 4 games. Hopefully Higgins will appeal red card for Connacht final.

;D ;D ;D

Galway made hard work of that but they fully deserved the win. Galway are back no doubt about it and where next for this Mayo team with a lot of mileage on clock?

Opens the door to a soft Connacht Final for Galway!

Gary O'Donnell was excellent for Galway today.

The two late efforts from Regan were very indulgent.

It looks like a changing of the guard

Dubs may be a bit weaker this year so Mayo have to do it in September.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 11, 2017, 04:43:55 PM
The Higgins one looked soft enough. Was there something more to it or was it for the shove into Comer's chest?

Cillian O'Connor definitely should have walked after he threw two punches at Galway players in quick succession - also got the Galway lad black carded, much like he did with James McCarthy last year.

He threw a punch at Bradshaw. Bradshaw retaliated and got yellow carded.

Quote from: dclane on June 11, 2017, 05:44:27 PM
Opens the door to a soft Connacht Final for Galway!

don't forget Roscommon v Galway was a draw in salthill last year

Where was CillianO'Connor when they needed him at the end. Mayo's lack of a top class forward told today. At the end when they needed the equaliser had no one good enough to step up and take a score. 3 of the younger players took pot shots from out on the sidekick e they weren't even close.

Of the Mayo backs & midfield started today 5 were 30 or more. If Boyle had started it would have been 6.

Galway had the classier forwards and red card was crucial. I wonder will COC get rightly hammered for his dive on Sunday game tonight???

Quote from: Gael85 on June 11, 2017, 05:51:20 PM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 11, 2017, 04:43:55 PM
The Higgins one looked soft enough. Was there something more to it or was it for the shove into Comer's chest?

Cillian O'Connor definitely should have walked after he threw two punches at Galway players in quick succession - also got the Galway lad black carded, much like he did with James McCarthy last year.

He threw a punch at Bradshaw. Bradshaw retaliated and got yellow carded.

He also caught a Galway player with a high closed fist tackle that gave away a foul over near the sideline, didn't give the ball back and threw a punch in the resulting melee.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 11, 2017, 05:51:29 PM

Quote from: dclane on June 11, 2017, 05:44:27 PM
Opens the door to a soft Connacht Final for Galway!

don't forget Roscommon v Galway was a draw in salthill last year

Roscommon are useless.

Quote from: dublin7 on June 11, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Where was CillianO'Connor when they needed him at the end. Mayo's lack of a top class forward told today. At the end when they needed the equaliser had no one good enough to step up and take a score. 3 of the younger players took pot shots from out on the sidekick e they weren't even close.

Of the Mayo backs & midfield started today 5 were 30 or more. If Boyle had started it would have been 6.

Galway had the classier forwards and red card was crucial. I wonder will COC get rightly hammered for his dive on Sunday game tonight???

You are a class act, if those comments are all you can come up with after an enthralling contest like that.

Quote from: joemamas on June 11, 2017, 06:19:10 PM

Quote from: dublin7 on June 11, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Where was CillianO'Connor when they needed him at the end. Mayo's lack of a top class forward told today. At the end when they needed the equaliser had no one good enough to step up and take a score. 3 of the younger players took pot shots from out on the sidekick e they weren't even close.

Of the Mayo backs & midfield started today 5 were 30 or more. If Boyle had started it would have been 6.

Galway had the classier forwards and red card was crucial. I wonder will COC get rightly hammered for his dive on Sunday game tonight???

You are a class act, if those comments are all you can come up with after an enthralling contest like that.

You spend your time slating Dublin players. Pot and kettle

Wouldn't be calling for mayo`s death nell yet, extra man made a big difference, stayed as was Mayo i think would have won

Quote from: INDIANA on June 11, 2017, 06:24:47 PM

Quote from: joemamas on June 11, 2017, 06:19:10 PM

Quote from: dublin7 on June 11, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Where was CillianO'Connor when they needed him at the end. Mayo's lack of a top class forward told today. At the end when they needed the equaliser had no one good enough to step up and take a score. 3 of the younger players took pot shots from out on the sidekick e they weren't even close.

Of the Mayo backs & midfield started today 5 were 30 or more. If Boyle had started it would have been 6.

Galway had the classier forwards and red card was crucial. I wonder will COC get rightly hammered for his dive on Sunday game tonight???

You are a class act, if those comments are all you can come up with after an enthralling contest like that.

You spend your time slating Dublin players. Pot and kettle

Slating Dublin player(s) Really . Prove it.

Quote from: joemamas on June 11, 2017, 06:19:10 PM

Quote from: dublin7 on June 11, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Where was CillianO'Connor when they needed him at the end. Mayo's lack of a top class forward told today. At the end when they needed the equaliser had no one good enough to step up and take a score. 3 of the younger players took pot shots from out on the sidekick e they weren't even close.

Of the Mayo backs & midfield started today 5 were 30 or more. If Boyle had started it would have been 6.

Galway had the classier forwards and red card was crucial. I wonder will COC get rightly hammered for his dive on Sunday game tonight???

You are a class act, if those comments are all you can come up with after an enthralling contest like that.

You can be as bitter as you want but the facts are :

1 Mayo had all the momentum/possession and 7 min injury time but couldn't kick a point. No leadership in forward line.
2 Time is running out for some of this mayo team (especially at the back) and you wonder where do they go from here
3 Both spillane and whelo thought is wasn't a black card & COC conned the ref

It was an entertaining game and fair play to galway.

Poor game overall, the Monaghan/ Cavan game was a much better game. This Mayo team are past their sell by date and its back into the chasing pack for them, unfortunately apart from extra physique Galway are much the same as last year, no All-Irelands there but back to back Connacht titles is not bad.

Daft stuff today by us. Keith Higgins? Shot selection and finishing by Cillian, Durcan, Vaughan and Evan x 2 when game in the balance. Andy substitution also, needed a cool head in the last few minutes.

I would have left Andy Moran on and stuck a target man beside him.

For Regan to take 2 pot shots like that after Mayo working so hard to get the ball up there..scandalous...

Quote from: ballinaman on June 11, 2017, 07:07:55 PM
Daft stuff today by us. Keith Higgins? Shot selection and finishing by Cillian, Durcan, Vaughan and Evan x 2 when game in the balance. Andy substitution also, needed a cool head in the last few minutes.

Never in my wildest dreams would I have expected something so stupid by Higgins. I suppose my Comer prediction wasn't too far off the mark.

Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2017, 07:17:21 PM
I would have left Andy Moran on and stuck a target man beside him.

Big Aido?

Quote from: Onthe40 on June 11, 2017, 07:20:15 PM
For Regan to take 2 pot shots like that after Mayo working so hard to get the ball up there..scandalous...

Didn't look like anyone was screaming for the ball off him to have a go themselves. Might not have been the highest percentage shots but at least he had a go.

Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2017, 07:20:46 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on June 11, 2017, 07:17:21 PM
I would have left Andy Moran on and stuck a target man beside him.

Big Aido?

Big Anyone.

Quote from: giveballaghback on June 11, 2017, 07:04:40 PM
Poor game overall, the Monaghan/ Cavan game was a much better game. This Mayo team are past their sell by date and its back into the chasing pack for them, unfortunately apart from extra physique Galway are much the same as last year, no All-Irelands there but back to back Connacht titles is not bad.

Back to back Connacht titles ???????????

Quote from: giveballaghback on June 11, 2017, 07:04:40 PM
Poor game overall, the Monaghan/ Cavan game was a much better game. This Mayo team are past their sell by date and its back into the chasing pack for them, unfortunately apart from extra physique Galway are much the same as last year, no All-Irelands there

No not this year or the year after probably but we do have plenty of young talent coming through to add to that side. Especially in defence. The flaws in the team are fairly obvious but in a couple of years time they could be there or thereabouts.

Actually thought it was a cracking game given the conditions. Plenty of errors but exciting and hard-hitting.

Galway fell over the line here.

Once they come up against any side with any sort of a functioning attack, they will run into trouble.

Mayo scoring 1-6 from play against Galway's defence today says a world about the quality of Mayo's attacking options.

Spot on twohands

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 11, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
Galway fell over the line here.

Once they come up against any side with any sort of a functioning attack, they will run into trouble.

Mayo scoring 1-6 from play against Galway's defence today says a world about the quality of Mayo's attacking options.

Would you not give some credit to Galways defensive system of play for that? Galway only scored 0-7 from play today and that was against a Mayo defence that chose not to start Boyle and Higgins who left the game after the 26th minute.

Obviously a pretty rubbish quality game captain obvious

Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 11, 2017, 07:41:43 PM

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 11, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
Galway fell over the line here.

Once they come up against any side with any sort of a functioning attack, they will run into trouble.

Mayo scoring 1-6 from play against Galway's defence today says a world about the quality of Mayo's attacking options.

Would you not give some credit to Galways defensive system of play for that? Galway only scored 0-7 from play today and that was against a Mayo defence that chose not to start Boyle and Higgins who left the game after the 26th minute.

Not a whole lot - because Galway looked very exposed and open - also the pressure they put on the Mayo shooters was of a poor enough standard.
There were some awful basic errors made by the Galway defenders throughout, especially in carrying the ball into contact, picking the wrong man.
The goal conceded by Galway was terrible - as a defender you should always prepare for the worst possible outcome and when the shot at a point is taken, the worst possible outcome is it dropping short into the square, which is exactly what happened when the ball hit the post. However it was the Mayo forward who was quickest to react and got the goal.
By comparison I thought the Mayo defence did better and basically kept them in the game.

Congrats to galway , deserving winners.  We were poor mostly in the second half, we have absolutely no forward plan . Rochford has been null and void . pointless appointment. Added nothing to the set up.

I actually really enjoyed that game. I don't really know what people think they want...

Congrats Galway very deserved win although overall not a great performance I think it's fair to say. Very difficult conditions I suppose.

Galway's target should be a quarter final win in Croke park this year, they are building confidence and have some quality players but still look quite flawed as a team at this stage.

Very disappointing from us, lethargic again (after the league) ill-disciplined and our familiar mixture of sublime and terrible shooting. Qualifiers will be a major struggle this year I think but once again we'll be dangerous if we can make it to CP.

The impact of the coaching team is hard to see, our admittedly much improved kick passing while pleasing on the eye, doesn't seem to make a tangible difference. Maybe it's better game for Croke park I dunno.

Young players cannot seem to force their way in either which is disappointing but I'm sure if they were good enough they'd be playing.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2017, 08:36:53 PM
I actually really enjoyed that game. I don't really know what people think they want...

Game of the year so far. Some people just want to be contrary.

Enjoying the game and it being a good game are two totally different things, there was not one constructive move in the entire game, a total mistake fest, poor decision making by players on both sides and Rochfords changes were a joke, took his scoring forwards off just when they were needed, but then thats just my opinion.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 11, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Congrats to galway , deserving winners.  We were poor mostly in the second half, we have absolutely no forward plan . Rochford has been null and void . pointless appointment. Added nothing to the set up.

I have been one of Rochfords biggest fans even after the goalkeeper fiasco last year but its getting harder and harder to see what hes doing.Forward play is non existant.It looks like theres no plan at all up there.Its hard to see us getting out of the qualifiers if we play like we played again today.Well done to Galway Comer and Walsh are 2 fantastic players

Quote from: larryin89 on June 11, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Rochford has been null and void . pointless appointment. Added nothing to the set up.

What about Tony & Donie - are they not bringing anything to the table

Thought it was a great game for entertainment, I was on the edge of myself for the last 10 minutes. Conditions had a huge.bearing on the quality. Mayo face a very rocky road to September now.

Time for Rochford to go after the Summer. He is a pleb. Takes off our most hungry and skilful forward after getting one of the best points of the game sums him up. He also took off young Boland. Why wasn't Loftus brought on earlier.

Also the management need to answer why we are so slow to get into games from the off and also at the start of the 2nd half.

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 11, 2017, 07:52:23 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 11, 2017, 07:41:43 PM

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 11, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
Galway fell over the line here.

Once they come up against any side with any sort of a functioning attack, they will run into trouble.

Mayo scoring 1-6 from play against Galway's defence today says a world about the quality of Mayo's attacking options.

Would you not give some credit to Galways defensive system of play for that? Galway only scored 0-7 from play today and that was against a Mayo defence that chose not to start Boyle and Higgins who left the game after the 26th minute.

Not a whole lot - because Galway looked very exposed and open - also the pressure they put on the Mayo shooters was of a poor enough standard.
There were some awful basic errors made by the Galway defenders throughout, especially in carrying the ball into contact, picking the wrong man.
The goal conceded by Galway was terrible - as a defender you should always prepare for the worst possible outcome and when the shot at a point is taken, the worst possible outcome is it dropping short into the square, which is exactly what happened when the ball hit the post. However it was the Mayo forward who was quickest to react and got the goal.
By comparison I thought the Mayo defence did better and basically kept them in the game.

I thought the Mayo goal was a lucky one and without it they wouldn't have got so close to grabbing undeserved draw. Mayos defence conceded 0-15 and Galway must have kicked 10 wides thats more chances given up by a Mayo defence than normal.

Enjoyed the game. Thought Galway nearly threw it away due to their funny first half tactics and a bit of panic setting in in the last ten minutes. Luckily for them COC bottled a free yet again and then hid and Mayo had none else who could score because they'd taken Andy Moran off. It's like watching the same movie over and over again, Mayo never learn. In the conditions it was a very good game.....that Galway forward line could be very tasty in Croke Park later in the summer.

Not wanting to take away from the game but I thought Joe McQuillan was scandalously bad. When you have inter county refs giving a black card like the one he gave to Flynn it defies belief. Cummins hauled down at the end was ignored and he was doing everything he could to make a draw of it. I thought he was a disgrace. Now I was supporting Galway so maybe the Mayo crowd have their own gripes but I thought he was scandalous. Can be no complaints about the red card but it's very unlike Higgins.

CoC wasn't great to but say he bottled that last free is more than harsh. It was from about 55 yards!!

Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2017, 08:56:07 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 11, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Rochford has been null and void . pointless appointment. Added nothing to the set up.

What about Tony & Donie - are they not bringing anything to the table

Too many cooks by the looks of it. A good competitive provincial championship game that went down to wire. Congrats Galway but i don't think the one point winning margin did their performance justice. Mayo not gone yet and every side will be hoping to avoid them in the qualifiers

Well done Galway! Have got streetwise. Controlled the game in the second as much as they could. Higgins a huge loss to us. In a possession game like today, the extra man counted.

Mayo now look to the back door. Will be interesting to see where we end up next.

Quote from: omagh_gael on June 11, 2017, 08:58:23 PM
Thought it was a great game for entertainment, I was on the edge of myself for the last 10 minutes. Conditions had a huge.bearing on the quality. Mayo face a very rocky road to September now.

Yeah but if Aiden O'Shea and Colm Boyle are match fit some of the potholes along that rocky road may well be filled in.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 11, 2017, 09:30:26 PM

Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2017, 08:56:07 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 11, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Rochford has been null and void . pointless appointment. Added nothing to the set up.

What about Tony & Donie - are they not bringing anything to the table

Too many cooks by the looks of it. A good competitive provincial championship game that went down to wire. Congrats Galway but i don't think the one point winning margin did their performance justice. Mayo not gone yet and every side will be hoping to avoid them in the qualifiers

What is Buckley role?It unusual that he involved under 3different managers Horan, Holmes & Connolly and Rochord. McEntee was ran out of St Brigids, done nothing with them after his success with Crossmaglen

Last year in the replay Mayo were left depending on an O Connor free. Same again today. No forwards capable of doing the biz.

What was the story with the teams marching behind the band before the game? I thought that was just for Finals anymore?

Also John Maughan had a WTF moment on the half time TV interview. Had he a few brandies before the interview - Embarrassing!

Great exciting game. Delighted with the result. Full of hard hits, decent scores, plenty of passion and a great atmosphere.

Surprised at Keith Higgins, it's not like him at all. Although I did predict a sending off as both teams were looking for revenge. Galway for last game in Pearse stadium and not getting enough credit last year and Mayo after losing last year. Thought sending off was fair and Flynn's black card and conceding of a point shouldn't have been given.

We will have to tighten up in full back line, whether that's due to having a half back line that flies up field at will or that our 1-4 aren't good enough I'm not sure. I thought Sweeney did well in fairness to him. The goal we conceded would previously have made us retreat into our shells as they knew it was due to a mistake in not reacting to it.

We have a nice mixture of pace in Daly, Walsh and Brannigan, and strength in Comer, Conroy and Fiontain. Yeah we made errors but what team produces a 70 minute performance? That's the nature of the game. Played well first half with some variety in scorers and cut them open a few times in second half. We could have kicked on but got a bit anxious filtering back in the second half. Was very surprised to see Moran come off for Mayo.

Last fifteen mins we hung on, but that's what you have to do. It's championship football. Short kickouts particular in the wind tunnel probably need a bit more work. Never seen anything like that when Heaney had to save us.

People writing Mayo off are a bit much. They're used to having a long season and will be primed for this. Only thing that changes for them is a few more matches and a few less training sessions over the next 3 months. What kind of a ban is likely for Higgins?

Great to beat a division 1 team. Maybe it is not as big a gap as we are told. Galway will gain huge amount of confidence from this

Quote from: twohands!!! on June 11, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
Galway fell over the line here.

Once they come up against any side with any sort of a functioning attack, they will run into trouble.

Mayo scoring 1-6 from play against Galway's defence today says a world about the quality of Mayo's attacking options.

Gaelic football is about defence. Forwards are old fashioned.

Can't blame a young fella for taking off for the Summer but I would love Sean Andy in that Galway side. He's got the right mix of size, strength and athleticism that is badly missing in the Galway full-back line. I think he would make the others around him more confident and secure as well. Next year I suppose.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 11, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
Can't blame a young fella for taking off for the Summer but I would love Sean Andy in that Galway side. He's got the right mix of size, strength and athleticism that is badly missing in the Galway full-back line. I think he would make the others around him more confident and secure as well. Next year I suppose.

Does he have much pace? Would be huge addition. Where has Johnny Duane gone to?

Quote from: Gael85 on June 11, 2017, 10:32:45 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 11, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
Can't blame a young fella for taking off for the Summer but I would love Sean Andy in that Galway side. He's got the right mix of size, strength and athleticism that is badly missing in the Galway full-back line. I think he would make the others around him more confident and secure as well. Next year I suppose.

Does he have much pace? Would be huge addition. Where has Johnny Duane gone to?

Yeah he's pretty quick for a big lad. Very good athlete. Duane was on the panel during the league but wasn't getting much game time so walked. As far as I know anyway.

Quote from: magpie seanie on June 11, 2017, 09:24:27 PM
Enjoyed the game. Thought Galway nearly threw it away due to their funny first half tactics and a bit of panic setting in in the last ten minutes. Luckily for them COC bottled a free yet again and then hid and Mayo had none else who could score because they'd taken Andy Moran off. It's like watching the same movie over and over again, Mayo never learn. In the conditions it was a very good game.....that Galway forward line could be very tasty in Croke Park later in the summer.

Not wanting to take away from the game but I thought Joe McQuillan was scandalously bad. When you have inter county refs giving a black card like the one he gave to Flynn it defies belief. Cummins hauled down at the end was ignored and he was doing everything he could to make a draw of it. I thought he was a disgrace. Now I was supporting Galway so maybe the Mayo crowd have their own gripes but I thought he was scandalous. Can be no complaints about the red card but it's very unlike Higgins.

Given McQuillan rode Fermanagh last year too in McHale Park, it wasn't all that surprising.

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Quote from: larryin89 on June 11, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Congrats to galway , deserving winners.  We were poor mostly in the second half, we have absolutely no forward plan . Rochford has been null and void . pointless appointment. Added nothing to the set up.

I have been one of Rochfords biggest fans even after the goalkeeper fiasco last year but its getting harder and harder to see what hes doing.Forward play is non existant.It looks like theres no plan at all up there.Its hard to see us getting out of the qualifiers if we play like we played again today.Well done to Galway Comer and Walsh are 2 fantastic players

Will Rochford be pegged in front of the bus this year if things don't go well for Mayo?

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 11, 2017, 10:43:12 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on June 11, 2017, 09:24:27 PM
Enjoyed the game. Thought Galway nearly threw it away due to their funny first half tactics and a bit of panic setting in in the last ten minutes. Luckily for them COC bottled a free yet again and then hid and Mayo had none else who could score because they'd taken Andy Moran off. It's like watching the same movie over and over again, Mayo never learn. In the conditions it was a very good game.....that Galway forward line could be very tasty in Croke Park later in the summer.

Not wanting to take away from the game but I thought Joe McQuillan was scandalously bad. When you have inter county refs giving a black card like the one he gave to Flynn it defies belief. Cummins hauled down at the end was ignored and he was doing everything he could to make a draw of it. I thought he was a disgrace. Now I was supporting Galway so maybe the Mayo crowd have their own gripes but I thought he was scandalous. Can be no complaints about the red card but it's very unlike Higgins.

Given McQuillan rode Fermanagh last year too in McHale Park, it wasn't all that surprising.

Joe McDublin has his eye only on the big city. If they win.....

Poor old Army was even shipping tough tackles from the Galway supporters after the final whistle. ;D

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Quote from: omagh_gael on June 11, 2017, 08:58:23 PM
Thought it was a great game for entertainment, I was on the edge of myself for the last 10 minutes. Conditions had a huge.bearing on the quality. Mayo face a very rocky road to September now.

Yeah but if Aiden O'Shea and Colm Boyle are match fit some of the potholes along that rocky road may well be filled in.

It doesn't solve the problem in the forward line. Dubs or Kerry would have run amok on the Galway FB line in 1st half. Mayo actually played some nice kick passes in early but the forwards weren't good enough to finish off the moves

Quote from: Gael85 on June 11, 2017, 10:32:45 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 11, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
Can't blame a young fella for taking off for the Summer but I would love Sean Andy in that Galway side. He's got the right mix of size, strength and athleticism that is badly missing in the Galway full-back line. I think he would make the others around him more confident and secure as well. Next year I suppose.

Does he have much pace? Would be huge addition. Where has Johnny Duane gone to?

Where is Sean Andy gone ? Did he actually go to the US ? I don't think he did !

What about the midfielder, Cooke? Thought he'd be a cert for the senior team.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 11, 2017, 10:43:12 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on June 11, 2017, 09:24:27 PM
Enjoyed the game. Thought Galway nearly threw it away due to their funny first half tactics and a bit of panic setting in in the last ten minutes. Luckily for them COC bottled a free yet again and then hid and Mayo had none else who could score because they'd taken Andy Moran off. It's like watching the same movie over and over again, Mayo never learn. In the conditions it was a very good game.....that Galway forward line could be very tasty in Croke Park later in the summer.

Not wanting to take away from the game but I thought Joe McQuillan was scandalously bad. When you have inter county refs giving a black card like the one he gave to Flynn it defies belief. Cummins hauled down at the end was ignored and he was doing everything he could to make a draw of it. I thought he was a disgrace. Now I was supporting Galway so maybe the Mayo crowd have their own gripes but I thought he was scandalous. Can be no complaints about the red card but it's very unlike Higgins.

Given McQuillan rode Fermanagh last year too in McHale Park, it wasn't all that surprising.

My friend, if ever there was a lad that needed a good ride, its you. And a piece of advice, when you order the blow up doll, make sure its green and red .... it might help you with your Mayo itch.

Think that's the end of this current Mayo teams AI ambitions. They'll not get as handy a run through the qualifiers as they had last season and I just don't see anything new up front to take them over the line. They could get to a qf/sf but that's about the height of it. Subbing Andy Moran was a strange decision and it's not the first strange decision that the manager has made in a big game. It's a pity those players never got their AI but I think they might need to take a few steps back before they can go toward again. Galway are decent but are a step below the top teams as well imo but they have some exciting players. Shane Walsh is such a natural footballer to watch.

What the fvck is it with some Mayo supporters always blaming the manager.  It was a tight game and we missed a wide open goal that would have won the game for us.  How do you blame Rochford for that?

Our training and game plan seems to stifle attacking instincts. Look at Jason Doherty as the prime example. A goal machine when he came onto the team and now a workhorse. Regan and DOC don't look like the scoring threats that they were a year ago. One of the big criticisms of COC is that he doesn't score enough from play. How much of that is down to the role he is being asked to play?

Natural forwards don't seem to be part of the plan unless they are athletes first. Loftus and Irwin never got a decent run in the league and both of these were lethal in our u21 run last year.
I'm afraid that the huffing and puffing in front of goals today is a culmination of favouring work rate over ability when choosing forwards all the way back to Horans day and his dropping of Conor Mortimer for that exact reason.

Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2017, 11:39:05 PM
What the fvck is it with some Mayo supporters always blaming the manager.  It was a tight game and we missed a wide open goal that would have won the game for us.  How do you blame Rochford for that?

Surely has to ship blame for putting on the never-fast AOS on at midfield with a man down (his brother had ran his legs off trying to make up the ground missing Higgins had cost them) with the wind rather than putting him around the square and at least giving the Galway defence something to think about?

Doherty was never a goal machine when the real stuff was on and wouldn't have hung around as long were he not as adaptable to tracking back and doing donkey work. His career path was following Enda Varley's until he made that change. Irwin is too slow to have much impact at senior IC imho.

I believe we won the toss and chose to play against the wind. More incompetence from SR and his mega team.

Quote from: highorlow on June 11, 2017, 11:57:29 PM
I believe we won the toss and chose to play against the wind. More incompetence from SR and his mega team.

We were one point down at HT! Higgins moment of madness cost us! You can blame this and that after that, but chasing a game with 14 men ain't easy!

Rochford's managerial record is pathetic. His decision making is brutal. He cost us the match.

At some stage they would have planned that we needed a point in the last minute and what does he do, brings on drake, a back, and leaves loftus on the bench. We should be beating a bad Galway team with 13 men ffs.

Also we lost the 2 x throw ins that cost us scores. What the f**k was diarmuid doing contesting the throw ins? What the f**k is that about.

Rochford should be carted back to corofin in a transport box.

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 09, 2017, 09:38:31 AM

Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2017, 04:19:55 AM
On a scale of 1 to overrated. D'OC is reaching new levels. Like is this actually happening? Anyways, leave it to the chokers to get upset about a ridiculous Donegal's man article, reluctantly published in a Galway newspaper because its full of shite. Anyways...im sure its up on the dressing room wall, some terrible tipster talking shit. Fuel lads, fuel

Name a better Galway forward than him who's scored in the business end of championship??  ;D

As for chokers ye havent won a chmpionship game in Croke Park in 16 years.

Haha. Without the obvious of Comer and Walsh being near the same age, but light years ahead of him, i'd take Daly and Heaney as footballers also. He's the single most overrated young player in ireland. Is thE CP slag your new go to? With a fraction of our All Irelands, Galway current connacht champions, lording underage. Is that all you have left?

Very enjoyable game, pity we couldn't have managed a draw or more out of it. Fair play to galway for hanging on, serious double save from heaney (although he was lucky to get the free out) which ended up winning it for them.

Lads on here calling for the manager's head would want to cop themselves on - we lost by a pt after playing for 55 minutes with 14, had a ball saved on the line twice, hit the bar & post and missed 3-4 shots from 30 yards out. If we get a decent first round draw, we'll make croke Park this year and who knows after that.

Other clowns criticising COC for bottling it? Are you for real? He was one of the only forwards showing and winning ball but nobody was playing off him. That's Mayo's biggest problem - our forwards don't play as a unit and it's something successive managers have failed to rectify. COC clearly needles other teams, what good forward doesn't; but he wasn't the reason we lost today.

As regards the rest of our team, caff struggled, Higgins looked out of place as sweeper but I'd definitely play him there (should have been tried during the league) Keegan is wasted at 6 - I'd play Coen there, midfield were so-so at best. Our subs contributed very little. We started both halves very poorly, is that a lack of focus or what?

Anyway, good luck to galway in the final, hopefully we'll be in the pot when the QFs are drawn and we might get a shot at revenge

Quote from: Manning18 on June 12, 2017, 12:21:15 AM

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 09, 2017, 09:38:31 AM

Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2017, 04:19:55 AM
On a scale of 1 to overrated. D'OC is reaching new levels. Like is this actually happening? Anyways, leave it to the chokers to get upset about a ridiculous Donegal's man article, reluctantly published in a Galway newspaper because its full of shite. Anyways...im sure its up on the dressing room wall, some terrible tipster talking shit. Fuel lads, fuel

Name a better Galway forward than him who's scored in the business end of championship??  ;D

As for chokers ye havent won a chmpionship game in Croke Park in 16 years.

Haha. Without the obvious of Comer and Walsh being near the same age, but light years ahead of him, i'd take Daly and Heaney as footballers also. He's the single most overrated young player in ireland. Is thE CP slag your new go to? With a fraction of our All Irelands, Galway current connacht champions, lording underage. Is that all you have left?

Classy. enjoy the win

When you take out the pox flukey freak goal, Flynns black card & phantom free, and the Cummins 14 yard foul at the end, Galway had 5 points off the board in addition to the 1 they won by, in a low scoring game. If there was ever a game of a scoreline not doing a side justice...

Galways first half tactics threatened the game. Theyve become comfortably the more talented side and management need to recognise that and trust in their ability

Well done to Galway today. I thought they got most things right on the day, as circumstances evolved.

Mayo - as usual - cut a couple of sticks to beat ourselves up with. Nothing unusual there but similar predictable result/results. The Higgins petulance - there is no other way to describe it - was disappointing, stupid and decisive. It gave Galway a lifeline with possession retention in the second half and they clung to it and got over the line. Apart from incidental and individual errors Galway managed the second half as best they probably could have hoped for in the conditions. I think they will rightly be proud of how they stuck at it. Conditions were awful.

As a Mayo fan I was gutted we couldn't get a draw out of it. For a team of this experience that should have been achievable. It wasn't for the lack of trying I suppose.
It is that lack of execution and accuracy in what we are trying to do that fills me with pessimism going forward. This team has always dug deep and everything but often finds a way to lose as well. What will it be the next day? Always self-inflicted drama in case the opposition are not good enough to beat us anyway. For what it is worth I thought we were playing very well (best all year) until Keith lost the plot. After that it was always going to be messy for us.

Quote from: Manning18 on June 12, 2017, 12:21:15 AM

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 09, 2017, 09:38:31 AM

Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2017, 04:19:55 AM
On a scale of 1 to overrated. D'OC is reaching new levels. Like is this actually happening? Anyways, leave it to the chokers to get upset about a ridiculous Donegal's man article, reluctantly published in a Galway newspaper because its full of shite. Anyways...im sure its up on the dressing room wall, some terrible tipster talking shit. Fuel lads, fuel

Name a better Galway forward than him who's scored in the business end of championship??  ;D

As for chokers ye havent won a chmpionship game in Croke Park in 16 years.

Haha. Without the obvious of Comer and Walsh being near the same age, but light years ahead of him, i'd take Daly and Heaney as footballers also. He's the single most overrated young player in ireland. Is thE CP slag your new go to? With a fraction of our All Irelands, Galway current connacht champions, lording underage. Is that all you have left?

Enjoy the victory. Try posting when sobered up

Quote from: blast05 on June 11, 2017, 11:33:56 PM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 11, 2017, 10:43:12 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on June 11, 2017, 09:24:27 PM
Enjoyed the game. Thought Galway nearly threw it away due to their funny first half tactics and a bit of panic setting in in the last ten minutes. Luckily for them COC bottled a free yet again and then hid and Mayo had none else who could score because they'd taken Andy Moran off. It's like watching the same movie over and over again, Mayo never learn. In the conditions it was a very good game.....that Galway forward line could be very tasty in Croke Park later in the summer.

Not wanting to take away from the game but I thought Joe McQuillan was scandalously bad. When you have inter county refs giving a black card like the one he gave to Flynn it defies belief. Cummins hauled down at the end was ignored and he was doing everything he could to make a draw of it. I thought he was a disgrace. Now I was supporting Galway so maybe the Mayo crowd have their own gripes but I thought he was scandalous. Can be no complaints about the red card but it's very unlike Higgins.

Given McQuillan rode Fermanagh last year too in McHale Park, it wasn't all that surprising.

My friend, if ever there was a lad that needed a good ride, its you. And a piece of advice, when you order the blow up doll, make sure its green and red .... it might help you with your Mayo itch.

I suppose in true Mayo ostrich fashion, you will bury your head in the sand and say McQuillan was in no way beneficial to Mayo last year. Boyle and AOS both should have walked and he awarded a phantom penalty against Fermanagh. Of course, keep denying and being hyper defensive to any sort of criticism doled out to Mayo, irrespective of how valid it may be.

Well done Galway , fully deserved the win and while Mayo had chances to sneak a victory it would have be unfair overall if we did. As usual under Rochford, apart from the All Ireland finals last year, we flashed brilliance for about 10 minutes then Higgins' moment of stupidity undid that pretty quickly. I hope our county board take a leaf out of Dublin's book and don't challenge whatever ban Keith gets because for stupidity alone he deserves a suspension.
I thought Rochford got some of the subs badly wrong but luckily he has a second chance to rectify that. This Mayo team have punched above their weight talent wise challenging Kerry & Dublin and maybe this game is a sign that they have just run out of road mentally and physically!! While the evolution has already started with the likes of Paddy Durcan,Brendan Harrison, Diarmuid O'Connor, Stephen Coen & Danny Kirby edging their way into the team we still lack a true cutting edge outside the evergreen Andy Moran along with the O'Connor's which isn't enough to get you to the top of the pile!!!
Good luck to Galway that win will bring them on no end and a better Summer adventure than last year awaits!!

Given the extremely poor conditions in Salthill yesterday, I thought it was a thoroughly absorbing game of football with no shortage of intensity and the odd dollop of skill thrown in for good measure - the atmosphere was back to something like the mid to late 90's there yesterday for sure. 

Credit has to go to Mayo for nearly getting something out of that yesterday after playing three quarters of the game with 14 men.  Only for some very poor shot selection from Regan and possibly a few questionable tactical substitutions, I think they could have eeked out a draw at least.  As for Galway, well we continue the positive trend for the moment!  Its a game we would have lost for sure a few years back and bar the last 10 mins or so, I though we were relatively composed even though we had our issues with the kick-out strategy, as did Mayo at times to be fair also, with both keepers responsible for giving away about 3 scores each.

I thought McQuillan had a very poor day all round and some of his decisions were truly baffling at times.  Red card was fair enough and it really was out of character for Higgins - god only knows what he was thinking and the ref only 10 yards away from him at the time.  Flynn's was never a black, held his ground and Cillian just seen an opportunity an took it - the fault lies with the ref for dealing with it properly IMO.

Its hard to see where Rochford has improved this team from H&C - I cant see it myself and it will be interesting to see what appetite Mayo have for the qualifiers again this year.  Its unlikely that the draw will be as kind as it was a year ago - testing times ahead for that panel of players but its well within them to make CP in Aug and sure anything is possible after that.

As for us, well, we do need to win Conn again this year and get a much needed Qtr Final win in CP - I would prefer us to be a bit more positive at times as I do think our front 6 are well capable of putting up good scores but we are limited, for now, at the back so it seems to be a safety first tactic from our management team - not sure how far that is going to get us though. 

i thought the black card was incorrect too, but then if you look at this clip https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/874003012523393024 It shows Flynn bracing himself and then moving forward in the direction of coc, its marginal and coc didn't help Flynns cause but its hard to say it wasn't a body check.

Quote from: thebackbar1 on June 12, 2017, 10:47:36 AM
i thought the black card was incorrect too, but then if you look at this clip https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/874003012523393024 It shows Flynn bracing himself and then moving forward in the direction of coc, its marginal and coc didn't help Flynns cause but its hard to say it wasn't a body check.

How many times did O'Connor roll over from Flynn hit?

in regards to the black card it doesn't matter a jot how many times he rolled over, Joe was reaching for the black card the moment flynn hit him, its obviously something they've been told to crack down on.

Quote from: thebackbar1 on June 12, 2017, 10:47:36 AM
i thought the black card was incorrect too, but then if you look at this clip https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/874003012523393024 It shows Flynn bracing himself and then moving forward in the direction of coc, its marginal and coc didn't help Flynns cause but its hard to say it wasn't a body check.

Ah jesus lads thats never a black card.
He braced himself alright,as he is entitled to do when someone comes steaming into him, but he made no attempt to deliberately block o'connor.

Lets call it like it is, O'connor cheated to try and get a man black carded. As cynical an act as any you will see in the game.

I don't think if I was reffing that game that I could have said that was a deliberate body check. He didn't move obviously towards O'Connor's run. I know he braced, but that's a natural reaction when you see a lad flying at you. I think O'Connor charged into him.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 11:01:43 AM
I don't think if I was reffing that game that I could have said that was a deliberate body check. He didn't move obviously towards O'Connor's run. I know he braced, but that's a natural reaction when you see a lad flying at you. I think O'Connor charged into him.

I'd agree 100% with this.

Call it what ever you like, but Cillian 'manufactured' that black card.

I wouldn't hold it against Cillian too much to be honest. But he is the sort of player that you love if he is on your team and hate if he is on the opposition.

Quote from: Gael85 on June 12, 2017, 10:49:59 AM

Quote from: thebackbar1 on June 12, 2017, 10:47:36 AM
i thought the black card was incorrect too, but then if you look at this clip https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/874003012523393024 It shows Flynn bracing himself and then moving forward in the direction of coc, its marginal and coc didn't help Flynns cause but its hard to say it wasn't a body check.

How many times did O'Connor roll over from Flynn hit?

Does a full 360 roll count as one or two rolls?

Good game. Galway much the better side. Great double save by the Galway 10. Should have been a penalty against him as he over carried on his way out. The pundits are shite not to see  this. O Connor and Higgins let their side down with their antics.

Easily the best game of the championship so far, it must have been a great final few minutes for the neutrals but certainly not for the Galway & Mayo supporters.

Galway started off well and looked very dangerous but that goal was a real kick in the teeth given the circumstances but Wynne certainly should have done more to stop McLaughlin, he appeared to out muscle him. There was too much space in the full back line inside the first 15 minutes but after that Mayo found it more difficult to find space, we'll never know how much impact the sending off had.

It was frustrating to see Mayo gain possession so easily from Clarke's kick outs in the 1st half, its something Galway need to improve on.  Conroy & FOC got the better of Parson & O'Shea in the middle and Galway got theirs hands on more of the breaking balls. I don't understand the point of playing Flynn at wing forward if we're not going to use his height, I can only recall him touching the ball once while he was one. Heaney got on the ball a lot in the 2nd half and was a calming influence back there but he really tired in the last 10 minutes which resulted in him making a few errors. COC got a point off him with a few mins to go and I have no idea why Heaney was left so exposed given we had the extra man, Kyne was the spare man at the time and got caught in no mans land.

Galway did panic a little in the last 10 minutes but not as much has been made out, they deserve some credit for the way they defended in injury time given Mayo were left for shooting from terrible angles. The defence tired and runners stopped when Galway attacked hence the last of scores from 60 minutes on.

A game like that should only help Galway, they'll certainly learn a lot from it.

By the way what did John Maughan do to annoy people yesterday? Saw some people having a go at him last night on social media.

Was it for saying he's worried that the team may be too long on the road for the Qualifier route??

Quote from: Manning18 on June 12, 2017, 12:21:15 AM

Quote from: mayoaremagic on June 09, 2017, 09:38:31 AM

Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2017, 04:19:55 AM
On a scale of 1 to overrated. D'OC is reaching new levels. Like is this actually happening? Anyways, leave it to the chokers to get upset about a ridiculous Donegal's man article, reluctantly published in a Galway newspaper because its full of shite. Anyways...im sure its up on the dressing room wall, some terrible tipster talking shit. Fuel lads, fuel

Name a better Galway forward than him who's scored in the business end of championship??  ;D

As for chokers ye havent won a chmpionship game in Croke Park in 16 years.

Haha. Without the obvious of Comer and Walsh being near the same age, but light years ahead of him, i'd take Daly and Heaney as footballers also. He's the single most overrated young player in ireland. Is thE CP slag your new go to? With a fraction of our All Irelands, Galway current connacht champions, lording underage. Is that all you have left?

All fine footballers but I think the question you were asked was name a better Galway forward than him who's scored in the business end of championship??

Quote from: highorlow on June 12, 2017, 12:13:39 AM
Rochford's managerial record is pathetic. His decision making is brutal. He cost us the match.

At some stage they would have planned that we needed a point in the last minute and what does he do, brings on drake, a back, and leaves loftus on the bench. We should be beating a bad Galway team with 13 men ffs.

Also we lost the 2 x throw ins that cost us scores. What the f**k was diarmuid doing contesting the throw ins? What the f**k is that about.

Rochford should be carted back to corofin in a transport box.

Are ya kidding me. Rochford is a bloody genius.

He brought an over the hill,selfie taking team of  premadonnas with no forwards to within a kick of winning the all ireland 

Comer lit up a Connacht final last year, does that count as a big game? It's a bit hard for young players to perform in the semi finals and finals of championships when their team hasnt got there. Is that the bad point hes trying to make? Theyve performed and won All Ireland u21 finals though alright.

So has O Connor. Practically won one on his own.

Just listened to off the ball who had BJ Padden & Michael Quirke. Padden as usual talked nonsense and offered no proper analysis of the game whilst you'd have to wonder if Quirke even watched the game when claimed Galway were poor for the whole of the 2nd half.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2017, 09:19:21 PM
Just listened to off the ball who had BJ Padden & Michael Quirke. Padden as usual talked nonsense and offered no proper analysis of the game whilst you'd have to wonder if Quirke even watched the game when claimed Galway were poor for the whole of the 2nd half.

Against 14 men Galway were very, very lucky not to have lost that game in the second half. In the final 15 they barely had the ball at all.

Not often I agree with Syferus but he's right, we were very lucky not to have thrown that game away. Danny Cummins should have made sure with that last shot he had, we made a lot of mistakes and have plenty to work on. They showed great heart and hunger though in fairness to them. Still not sold on Lavelle in goals though, the short kick outs seem to have been the game plan and that's fair enough even though it's so frustrating to watch, but this carrying the ball out of his own defence is ridiculous, how many times did he cause trouble for himself and his own full back line? Only for Johnny Heaney we'd have lost that game. Armstrong really stepped up yesterday, was a bit quieter in the second half but he was bang on in the first. Can't wait to see Comer playing again, he seems like a man on a mission this year and what a hit on Diarmuid O'Connor. On a positive note, club championship this weekend, I thought they'd be called off but sense has prevailed. Even though it means Corofin, Monivea Abbey and Caltra are going to be without their hurlers unfortunately.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2017, 09:19:21 PM
Just listened to off the ball who had BJ Padden & Michael Quirke. Padden as usual talked nonsense and offered no proper analysis of the game whilst you'd have to wonder if Quirke even watched the game when claimed Galway were poor for the whole of the 2nd half.

Mayo got to within 1 point on 68 min and ref played 7 min injury time. So for the last 10 min Mayo had all the possession even with a man less. This was a game Mayo lost rather than Galway won.I think they only scored 2 points in the last 20 min.

I realise Galway didn't score from the 59th minute onwards but up until then they had played well in the 2nd half and were well in control having gone from been a point up at half time to 4 points up with just over 10 minutes to go. We could easily have drawn that game although the defence deserve some credit given all the pressure they came under, Mayo were reduced to taking on difficult shots and Galway didn't concede a free within their own 45.

Anyway I doubt anyone in Galway will be getting carried away given what happened against Tipp last summer.

Mayo are strongest from 1-9, however, their age profile here is getting on significantly. How many of the lads were close to or over 30? Your power players in there may be losing their edge and losing Higgans hit all the harder due to this, imo.

Quote from: Duine Eile on June 12, 2017, 10:04:33 PM
Not often I agree with Syferus but he's right, we were very lucky not to have thrown that game away. Danny Cummins should have made sure with that last shot he had, we made a lot of mistakes and have plenty to work on. They showed great heart and hunger though in fairness to them. Still not sold on Lavelle in goals though, the short kick outs seem to have been the game plan and that's fair enough even though it's so frustrating to watch, but this carrying the ball out of his own defence is ridiculous, how many times did he cause trouble for himself and his own full back line? Only for Johnny Heaney we'd have lost that game. Armstrong really stepped up yesterday, was a bit quieter in the second half but he was bang on in the first. Can't wait to see Comer playing again, he seems like a man on a mission this year and what a hit on Diarmuid O'Connor. On a positive note, club championship this weekend, I thought they'd be called off but sense has prevailed. Even though it means Corofin, Monivea Abbey and Caltra are going to be without their hurlers unfortunately.

I dunno. It's all perspective but from where I'm coming from it was Mayo threw that game away. Mayo started both halves very flat. Galway ran up 4 easy points in first half before Mayo settled and then largely controlled most of the first half. Again - inexcusably from out point of view - Galway were allowed get a run on us at the beginning of second half and put up a quick 3 points. This purple patch gave Galway something to fight for and it turned out to be just enough.
But we really threw it away with the Higgins meltdown. Rightly so, when that happens, a team has to suffer for the individual's actions and it turned out to be crippling. The sending off handed Galway a tactical advantage in the second half they would not have had if it was 15 v 15.
Some of the post match analysis has missed the point imo. I was gobsmacked by James Horan harping on about Mayo not being at the required pace or intensity or whatever. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room! The match lasted 80mins. Mayo played with 14 for 54 mins.
When the dust settles and people stop seeing what they want to see, the sending off (our own making and misfortune), was decisive. We could and should still have won. With Higgins I think we would have won with a bit to spare. But it was what it was and we have to live with it.

I keep seeing in places that Galway were apparently lucky. Mayo's goal, at a time of Galway dominance, seems to be conveniently forgotten. That 3 point swing based on the way a ball bounces is huge in a low scoring game. If you offered me that ball bouncing away from goal, or the sending off, i'd definitely choose the former. The single most pivotal moment of the game and one almost completely based on luck

Quote from: Manning18 on June 12, 2017, 11:06:08 PM
I keep seeing in places that Galway were apparently lucky. Mayo's goal, at a time of Galway dominance, seems to be conveniently forgotten. That 3 point swing based on the way a ball bounces is huge in a low scoring game. If you offered me that ball bouncing away from goal, or the sending off, i'd definitely choose the former. The single most pivotal moment of the game and one almost completely based on luck

Nonsense and you know it - if you don't then..... . Galway's dominance in first half was brief and Mayo were well back in it and attacking - the goal was from a shot that came back off a post. Galway got lucky shortly after with another shot off the crossbar with the keeper bet all things up. Throw in the freakish saves/awful misses in second half ye could have been looking at 3 goals against. Accept the win for what it was and stop spinning and trying to be annoying. Ye had a good day and we had a bad day. If you can't see the importance of the sending off in how the game developed, it's time to turn on the ignore button because you are not worth bothering with in that case.

Quote from: moysider on June 12, 2017, 10:54:59 PM

Quote from: Duine Eile on June 12, 2017, 10:04:33 PM
Not often I agree with Syferus but he's right, we were very lucky not to have thrown that game away. Danny Cummins should have made sure with that last shot he had, we made a lot of mistakes and have plenty to work on. They showed great heart and hunger though in fairness to them. Still not sold on Lavelle in goals though, the short kick outs seem to have been the game plan and that's fair enough even though it's so frustrating to watch, but this carrying the ball out of his own defence is ridiculous, how many times did he cause trouble for himself and his own full back line? Only for Johnny Heaney we'd have lost that game. Armstrong really stepped up yesterday, was a bit quieter in the second half but he was bang on in the first. Can't wait to see Comer playing again, he seems like a man on a mission this year and what a hit on Diarmuid O'Connor. On a positive note, club championship this weekend, I thought they'd be called off but sense has prevailed. Even though it means Corofin, Monivea Abbey and Caltra are going to be without their hurlers unfortunately.

I dunno. It's all perspective but from where I'm coming from it was Mayo threw that game away. Mayo started both halves very flat. Galway ran up 4 easy points in first half before Mayo settled and then largely controlled most of the first half. Again - inexcusably from out point of view - Galway were allowed get a run on us at the beginning of second half and put up a quick 3 points. This purple patch gave Galway something to fight for and it turned out to be just enough.
But we really threw it away with the Higgins meltdown. Rightly so, when that happens, a team has to suffer for the individual's actions and it turned out to be crippling. The sending off handed Galway a tactical advantage in the second half they would not have had if it was 15 v 15.
Some of the post match analysis has missed the point imo. I was gobsmacked by James Horan harping on about Mayo not being at the required pace or intensity or whatever. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room! The match lasted 80mins. Mayo played with 14 for 54 mins.
When the dust settles and people stop seeing what they want to see, the sending off (our own making and misfortune), was decisive. We could and should still have won. With Higgins I think we would have won with a bit to spare. But it was what it was and we have to live with it.

We'll never get credit for beating Mayo. Now we ran up 4 easy points but that was just because Mayo weren't settled. But sure after that it was the Mayo show. Then in second half we got a run and put up 3 quick points till it was the Mayo show again.
Laughing here of lads referring to it as a purple patch. 7 points is just a purple patch. Christ



Whisht with ye. Depending on what way you look at it you can read this game how you like. Not having this rubbish about sending off cost Mayo that game. That's part of Gaelic football keeping your discipline and shouldn't be used as an excuse and hearing things like we would have won with a bit to spare if he wasn't sent off is sad stuff. Especially with a clear a red as you're likely to see.

Galway could crow on about how we were flying and would have won with a bit to spare if it wasn't for that poxy goal which bounced off the post, or tom flynns ridiculous black card or Danny cummins not burying a goal. Instead we got to listen to the land of the if only's.

Not one bit of credit given to Galway from Mayo. Thought last year I could understand them feeling that we caught them on the hop. Two years in a row may be more in it.

Quote from: moysider on June 12, 2017, 10:54:59 PM

Quote from: Duine Eile on June 12, 2017, 10:04:33 PM
Not often I agree with Syferus but he's right, we were very lucky not to have thrown that game away. Danny Cummins should have made sure with that last shot he had, we made a lot of mistakes and have plenty to work on. They showed great heart and hunger though in fairness to them. Still not sold on Lavelle in goals though, the short kick outs seem to have been the game plan and that's fair enough even though it's so frustrating to watch, but this carrying the ball out of his own defence is ridiculous, how many times did he cause trouble for himself and his own full back line? Only for Johnny Heaney we'd have lost that game. Armstrong really stepped up yesterday, was a bit quieter in the second half but he was bang on in the first. Can't wait to see Comer playing again, he seems like a man on a mission this year and what a hit on Diarmuid O'Connor. On a positive note, club championship this weekend, I thought they'd be called off but sense has prevailed. Even though it means Corofin, Monivea Abbey and Caltra are going to be without their hurlers unfortunately.

I dunno. It's all perspective but from where I'm coming from it was Mayo threw that game away. Mayo started both halves very flat. Galway ran up 4 easy points in first half before Mayo settled and then largely controlled most of the first half. Again - inexcusably from out point of view - Galway were allowed get a run on us at the beginning of second half and put up a quick 3 points. This purple patch gave Galway something to fight for and it turned out to be just enough.
But we really threw it away with the Higgins meltdown. Rightly so, when that happens, a team has to suffer for the individual's actions and it turned out to be crippling. The sending off handed Galway a tactical advantage in the second half they would not have had if it was 15 v 15.
Some of the post match analysis has missed the point imo. I was gobsmacked by James Horan harping on about Mayo not being at the required pace or intensity or whatever. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room! The match lasted 80mins. Mayo played with 14 for 54 mins.
When the dust settles and people stop seeing what they want to see, the sending off (our own making and misfortune), was decisive. We could and should still have won. With Higgins I think we would have won with a bit to spare. But it was what it was and we have to live with it.

The sending off/going down to 14 is a good excuse for some to stand behind but  lets be honest Mayo have managed games better before when down a man and look at Kerry weekend on how they managed the game when level at half time and down a man or be it Clare or not as good as Galway.

Take away the goal that bounced kindly into McLoughlins arms which came against the run of play the scoreline after 59 minutes would have been 0-15 to 0-8 and Galway would be good value for that lead as they had kicked twice as many wides at the time. 7 minutes of injury time was played so that's no score in the final 18 minutes of the match for Galway. It was a pure case of the finishing line in sight and the fear of losing taking over, similar happened to Mayo in the 2012 All Ireland semi final against Dublin and you could say they could or should have won the game also but like Mayo yesterday they didn't deserve to win.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2017, 09:19:21 PM
Just listened to off the ball who had BJ Padden & Michael Quirke. Padden as usual talked nonsense and offered no proper analysis of the game whilst you'd have to wonder if Quirke even watched the game when claimed Galway were poor for the whole of the 2nd half.

Thought we were relatively comfortable for most of the 2nd half until the last 10/12 minutes when the back 4 especially had a collective brainfart and hit the panic button after a series of poor handpasses, poor kickouts and Lavelle haring up the pitch like the Inis Bofin, Rene Higuita.

Parkinson actually made a good point in his podcast in that even though Mayo lost Higgins just before half-time the 14 men still had a gale force wind behind them for the entire 2nd half plus 7 minutes of injury time.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 12, 2017, 11:35:10 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2017, 09:19:21 PM
Just listened to off the ball who had BJ Padden & Michael Quirke. Padden as usual talked nonsense and offered no proper analysis of the game whilst you'd have to wonder if Quirke even watched the game when claimed Galway were poor for the whole of the 2nd half.

Thought we were relatively comfortable for most of the 2nd half until the last 10/12 minutes when the back 4 especially had a collective brainfart and hit the panic button after a series of poor handpasses, poor kickouts and Lavelle haring up the pitch like the Inis Bofin, Rene Higuita.

Yeah, galway looked comfortable in the second half bar the last ten minutes or so. I kept expecting us to kick on after ht but it never happened. We were clueless up front for large parts of it.  The goal line save was the game.

Quote from: DJGaliv on June 12, 2017, 11:28:51 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 12, 2017, 10:54:59 PM

Quote from: Duine Eile on June 12, 2017, 10:04:33 PM
Not often I agree with Syferus but he's right, we were very lucky not to have thrown that game away. Danny Cummins should have made sure with that last shot he had, we made a lot of mistakes and have plenty to work on. They showed great heart and hunger though in fairness to them. Still not sold on Lavelle in goals though, the short kick outs seem to have been the game plan and that's fair enough even though it's so frustrating to watch, but this carrying the ball out of his own defence is ridiculous, how many times did he cause trouble for himself and his own full back line? Only for Johnny Heaney we'd have lost that game. Armstrong really stepped up yesterday, was a bit quieter in the second half but he was bang on in the first. Can't wait to see Comer playing again, he seems like a man on a mission this year and what a hit on Diarmuid O'Connor. On a positive note, club championship this weekend, I thought they'd be called off but sense has prevailed. Even though it means Corofin, Monivea Abbey and Caltra are going to be without their hurlers unfortunately.

I dunno. It's all perspective but from where I'm coming from it was Mayo threw that game away. Mayo started both halves very flat. Galway ran up 4 easy points in first half before Mayo settled and then largely controlled most of the first half. Again - inexcusably from out point of view - Galway were allowed get a run on us at the beginning of second half and put up a quick 3 points. This purple patch gave Galway something to fight for and it turned out to be just enough.
But we really threw it away with the Higgins meltdown. Rightly so, when that happens, a team has to suffer for the individual's actions and it turned out to be crippling. The sending off handed Galway a tactical advantage in the second half they would not have had if it was 15 v 15.
Some of the post match analysis has missed the point imo. I was gobsmacked by James Horan harping on about Mayo not being at the required pace or intensity or whatever. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room! The match lasted 80mins. Mayo played with 14 for 54 mins.
When the dust settles and people stop seeing what they want to see, the sending off (our own making and misfortune), was decisive. We could and should still have won. With Higgins I think we would have won with a bit to spare. But it was what it was and we have to live with it.

We'll never get credit for beating Mayo. Now we ran up 4 easy points but that was just because Mayo weren't settled. But sure after that it was the Mayo show. Then in second half we got a run and put up 3 quick points till it was the Mayo show again.

Whisht with ye. Depending on what way you look at it you can read this game how you like. Not having this rubbish about sending off cost Mayo that game. That's part of Gaelic football keeping your discipline and shouldn't be used as an excuse and hearing things like we would have won with a bit to spare if he wasn't sent off is sad stuff. Especially with a clear a red as you're likely to see.

Galway could crow on about how we were flying and would have won with a bit to spare if it wasn't for that poxy goal which bounced off the post, or tom flynns ridiculous black card or Danny cummins not burying a goal. Instead we got to listen to the land of the if only's.

Not one bit of credit given to Galway from Mayo. Thought last year I could understand them feeling that we caught them on the hop. Two years in a row may be more in it.

You completely misrepresented me there. I posted yesterday and gave Galway good credit and respect. It's not too many posts back so you can find it again no bother.
I also accepted that what Higgin's did was stupid and correctly the team has to take the hit for that.
What's the matter with you? You're trying to spin it that I'm moaning about the sending off. I wasn't.
But if you really believe it was not a huge swing for Galway you are also deluded.

I think it's great from a Galway perspective that the coverage is completely focused on Mayo in the aftermath of the game, Galway can quietly look ahead to the (probable) Roscommon match in the Connacht final and the chance to go back to back in the West.

Higgins sending off was obviously the biggest single incident in the match. Would Mayo have won with 15 players? Probably.

From a rewatch of the game this evening a few things stood out:
McLoughlin had a great 1st half, not as prominent in the 2nd but madness to take him off in my view.
Galway FB line looked like it was going to get taken to the cleaners early on, having the extra man saved them after that. 
COC is some man trying to get cards for opposition players, the black was a joke, Bradshaw should have known better for his yellow but COC was the one doing all the provocation.
Keegan at CHB is not where I would have him, himself and Walsh cancelled each other out for most of it but his best position is clearly at 5.
The lack of anticipation by the Galway defenders for the shot that hit the post and led to the goal was glaring.
"Keith Higgins is not that kind of player", he hit Mark Hehir off the ball with one of the most cowardly blows I've seen in Galway Mayo games in 2011 with no sanction, Galway were waiting 6 years for that Higgins red card.
Armstrong looked shot in some of the league games I was at, one of Galway's better players yesterday, hats off to him.
If you are not enthused by Comer's wrecking ball attitude to the game then Gaelic football is not the sport for you, that hit on DOC, yikes.
Heaney's double save was heroic stuff. The events leading to those saves were madness though.
How the referee didn't blow a free at the end for the foul on Cummins was incredible, some bad decisions against both teams over the course of the match but he wasn't the cause of the Mayo loss.
This was proper championship stuff, the atmosphere on the terrace was superb yesterday and it came across on the broadcast as well, great to have these contests with Mayo again.

Mayo showed fantastic spirit but they also showed the same failings that have occurred many times before, they were up against a team that is a good few rungs below them in the overall scheme of things and they couldn't manufacture a score over the last ten minutes with a gale behind them.
Galway didn't even play that particularly well yesterday and let's be honest, the "caught on the hop" excuse is not going to cut it for Mayo this year. It's a long road back to the 3rd Sunday in September for them now, I wouldn't write them off, it'll be difficult but I'd wager they'll still be playing in August if I had to, whether they'll win the all Ireland looks more doubtful.

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 12, 2017, 11:41:41 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 12, 2017, 11:35:10 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2017, 09:19:21 PM
Just listened to off the ball who had BJ Padden & Michael Quirke. Padden as usual talked nonsense and offered no proper analysis of the game whilst you'd have to wonder if Quirke even watched the game when claimed Galway were poor for the whole of the 2nd half.

Thought we were relatively comfortable for most of the 2nd half until the last 10/12 minutes when the back 4 especially had a collective brainfart and hit the panic button after a series of poor handpasses, poor kickouts and Lavelle haring up the pitch like the Inis Bofin, Rene Higuita.

Yeah, galway looked comfortable in the second half bar the last ten minutes or so. I kept expecting us to kick on after ht but it never happened. We were clueless up front for large parts of it.  The goal line save was the game.

The xtra man gave them a degree of comfort. Mayo not being able to commit totally to pressing kickouts allowed them go short and keep ball and be patient. Further up there were opportunities to unleash a direct runner. It also meant they could press our kick-outs and have an xtra body sniffing around breaking ball when we went long. The goal line save was the game and in spite of our uselessness and handicap it was a one point game. Galway should be very pleased with this but a question for them. If by some 'fluke' we managed to get a result there after being down a man for 54 mins, would their team's performance look as sweet?

It had an impact but it was of your own doing. I don't think Mayo players will be saying today if it wasn't for that sending off. They'll know they didn't do enough to win that game when it was there for either team.

You were gobsmacked by jh analysis about Mayo not being of required pace or intensity. Well I don't think they were.
If Comer had hit O'Connor like that in 2013, Mayo lads would have buried him. There was no reaction. The Mayo I've seen regularly at the business end didn't seem to be there. Durcan had a bad wide when he came off the shoulder a la Lee Keegan. They just didn't click when they looked like they might and needed to!
The challenge of going down to 14 is something Mayo lads would normally relish, now it's just used as an excuse.

That was the good thing about following Mayo in all Ireland finals, they didn't want to hear about excuses or poor us. They just got on with it

Great hit by Comer.....straight into the back. Definitely a yellow and on another day a straight red

Quote from: DJGaliv on June 12, 2017, 11:56:44 PM
It had an impact but it was of your own doing. I don't think Mayo players will be saying today if it wasn't for that sending off. They'll know they didn't do enough to win that game when it was there for either team.

You were gobsmacked by jh analysis about Mayo not being of required pace or intensity. Well I don't think they were.
If Comer had hit O'Connor like that in 2013, Mayo lads would have buried him. There was no reaction. The Mayo I've seen regularly at the business end didn't seem to be there. Durcan had a bad wide when he came off the shoulder a la Lee Keegan. They just didn't click when they looked like they might and needed to!
The challenge of going down to 14 is something Mayo lads would normally relish, now it's just used as an excuse.

That was the good thing about following Mayo in all Ireland finals, they didn't want to hear about excuses or poor us. They just got on with it

I think a lot of this stems from the infamous 17 point hammering in Salthill 2013. Galway were bullied and humiliated on their own ground. Johhny Duane went to shake hands with Alan Dillon before throw-in and Dillon landed him on his arse. That definitely resonated in Galway and ever since then it's definitely been a no backwards step approach to these games. Even in 2015 while Galway lost the match they let Mayo know they wouldn't be bullied on the day. As they mentioned on the Mayo news podcast before throw-in one of the Mayo players went to shake hands with Gary O'Donnell and he was shoved away. When Aidan O'Shea came running on I think it was Gary Sice who went straight over to annoy him while O'Shea waved his arms at the ref. 2013 made Galway realise how far behind in the physical stakes they were compared to a top side.

And obviously it's also just a case of young players getting physically stronger with age and more S&C. Either way if we have a few more years ahead of Galway/Mayo games like the last day then the stadiums will be packed out to watch them.

Quote from: DJGaliv on June 12, 2017, 11:56:44 PM
It had an impact but it was of your own doing. I don't think Mayo players will be saying today if it wasn't for that sending off. They'll know they didn't do enough to win that game when it was there for either team.

You were gobsmacked by jh analysis about Mayo not being of required pace or intensity. Well I don't think they were.
If Comer had hit O'Connor like that in 2013, Mayo lads would have buried him. There was no reaction. The Mayo I've seen regularly at the business end didn't seem to be there. Durcan had a bad wide when he came off the shoulder a la Lee Keegan. They just didn't click when they looked like they might and needed to!
The challenge of going down to 14 is something Mayo lads would normally relish.

Comer wasn't there in 2013 and it was a fair hit anyway. The only concern at that stage was a score anyway.
Durcan should never have taken that shot off his weaker foot.
Yeah, this team played their best half of football in drawn semi v Kerry a few years ago with 14 men and were ultimately let down at the death by a sideline that must have had a brain freeze.
Now I know you will probably take this as a criticism but I don't think there is any Div. 1 team that would have fancied going into Salthill yesterday against Galway, in pretty good shape, in probably the worst conditions I've seen for a Championship game. Even before the throw-in Padraig Joyce acknowledged that Galway were used to playing in windy conditions there.
I see some Galway posters are hurting about lack of credit for the win. Not so. They got the Prodigal Son stuff in the few bits I read anyway. On the other hand Mayo are carved up again for losing. Will the loser of Tyrone/Donegal be dismissed as readily?
In other provinces, Dublin and Kerry are fattening up on Carlows and Clares. Hardly lion's den stuff - which Salthill yesterday was.
Saying that we have issues. Keegan should be at 5, Boyle should always be in the team and discipline isn't great. That's just for starters.

Quote from: moysider on June 12, 2017, 11:22:09 PM

Quote from: Manning18 on June 12, 2017, 11:06:08 PM
I keep seeing in places that Galway were apparently lucky. Mayo's goal, at a time of Galway dominance, seems to be conveniently forgotten. That 3 point swing based on the way a ball bounces is huge in a low scoring game. If you offered me that ball bouncing away from goal, or the sending off, i'd definitely choose the former. The single most pivotal moment of the game and one almost completely based on luck

Nonsense and you know it - if you don't then..... . Galway's dominance in first half was brief and Mayo were well back in it and attacking - the goal was from a shot that came back off a post. Galway got lucky shortly after with another shot off the crossbar with the keeper bet all things up. Throw in the freakish saves/awful misses in second half ye could have been looking at 3 goals against. Accept the win for what it was and stop spinning and trying to be annoying. Ye had a good day and we had a bad day. If you can't see the importance of the sending off in how the game developed, it's time to turn on the ignore button because you are not worth bothering with in that case.

Cillian was going for a point on that occasion. Getting anything from that wouldve been amazing luck. The goalmouth scramble was lucky in Galways sense alright. But O'Donnell had a serious goal chance before that which wouldve out the game completely to bed from a long way out. I just don't like the narrative that Galway were lucky. It was an even split imo between two very evenly matched sides and I believe the better team won on the day

Really annoying seeing this 14 men stuff also, as if it's some advantage that God bestowed upon Galway and the game should come with some sort of asterisk. Mayo had 14 men because of a completely deserved sending off. When the hammering in 2013 is discussed, you never hear "Mayo ran up the score against and exhausted 13 man Galway". You just hear "Mayo hammered Galway". Just as those sending offs were deserved and Galway deservedly punished, the same applies to Mayo here

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 12, 2017, 11:50:15 PM
I think it's great from a Galway perspective that the coverage is completely focused on Mayo in the aftermath of the game, Galway can quietly look ahead to the (probable) Roscommon match in the Connacht final and the chance to go back to back in the West.

Higgins sending off was obviously the biggest single incident in the match. Would Mayo have won with 15 players? Probably.

From a rewatch of the game this evening a few things stood out:
McLoughlin had a great 1st half, not as prominent in the 2nd but madness to take him off in my view.
Galway FB line looked like it was going to get taken to the cleaners early on, having the extra man saved them after that. 
COC is some man trying to get cards for opposition players, the black was a joke, Bradshaw should have known better for his yellow but COC was the one doing all the provocation.
Keegan at CHB is not where I would have him, himself and Walsh cancelled each other out for most of it but his best position is clearly at 5.
The lack of anticipation by the Galway defenders for the shot that hit the post and led to the goal was glaring.
"Keith Higgins is not that kind of player", he hit Mark Hehir off the ball with one of the most cowardly blows I've seen in Galway Mayo games in 2011 with no sanction, Galway were waiting 6 years for that Higgins red card.
Armstrong looked shot in some of the league games I was at, one of Galway's better players yesterday, hats off to him.
If you are not enthused by Comer's wrecking ball attitude to the game then Gaelic football is not the sport for you, that hit on DOC, yikes.
Heaney's double save was heroic stuff. The events leading to those saves were madness though.
How the referee didn't blow a free at the end for the foul on Cummins was incredible, some bad decisions against both teams over the course of the match but he wasn't the cause of the Mayo loss.
This was proper championship stuff, the atmosphere on the terrace was superb yesterday and it came across on the broadcast as well, great to have these contests with Mayo again.

Mayo showed fantastic spirit but they also showed the same failings that have occurred many times before, they were up against a team that is a good few rungs below them in the overall scheme of things and they couldn't manufacture a score over the last ten minutes with a gale behind them.
Galway didn't even play that particularly well yesterday and let's be honest, the "caught on the hop" excuse is not going to cut it for Mayo this year. It's a long road back to the 3rd Sunday in September for them now, I wouldn't write them off, it'll be difficult but I'd wager they'll still be playing in August if I had to, whether they'll win the all Ireland looks more doubtful.

Good post An Fhairche Abu.

I don't think anybody with cop-on  really bought the 'caught on the hop' stuff last year. We were not where we should have been and maybe there were reasons for that but ultimately there is no excuse for being ring rusty for a championship game against an arch rival. Sunday we were probably as good as we could be as regards ready, but maybe management got a bit too cute again with starting team. Not sure Cohen and Vaughan was the way to go. Especially with Boyle dropped tactically. That is up with dropping Clarke for AI final for being too smart. Did conditions on the day effect changes? I would have gone with players with better ball skills in those conditions myself. Vaughan looked very uncomfortable and shanked one good scoring chance in particular. His hands were slow and soloing in close quarters poor. Shane Nally also is better technically.
Aidan O Shea is obviously injured and cant move well and probably was intended for a different role than what he was used for. It may have been worth a punt to put him in ff for a while.
If Mayo are thinking of September and winning an AI they are delusional. Regrouping and winning ugly one day at a time is our future. Another bad day and it will be a quick future though.

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Quote from: Manning18 on June 12, 2017, 11:06:08 PM
I keep seeing in places that Galway were apparently lucky. Mayo's goal, at a time of Galway dominance, seems to be conveniently forgotten. That 3 point swing based on the way a ball bounces is huge in a low scoring game. If you offered me that ball bouncing away from goal, or the sending off, i'd definitely choose the former. The single most pivotal moment of the game and one almost completely based on luck

Nonsense and you know it - if you don't then..... . Galway's dominance in first half was brief and Mayo were well back in it and attacking - the goal was from a shot that came back off a post. Galway got lucky shortly after with another shot off the crossbar with the keeper bet all things up. Throw in the freakish saves/awful misses in second half ye could have been looking at 3 goals against. Accept the win for what it was and stop spinning and trying to be annoying. Ye had a good day and we had a bad day. If you can't see the importance of the sending off in how the game developed, it's time to turn on the ignore button because you are not worth bothering with in that case.

Cillian was going for a point on that occasion. Getting anything from that wouldve been amazing luck. The goalmouth scramble was lucky in Galways sense alright. But O'Donnell had a serious goal chance before that which wouldve out the game completely to bed from a long way out. I just don't like the narrative that Galway were lucky. It was an even split imo between two very evenly matched sides and I believe the better team won on the day

Really annoying seeing this 14 men stuff also, as if it's some advantage that God bestowed upon Galway and the game should come with some sort of asterisk. Mayo had 14 men because of a completely deserved sending off. When the hammering in 2013 is discussed, you never hear "Mayo ran up the score against and exhausted 13 man Galway". You just hear "Mayo hammered Galway". Just as those sending offs were deserved and Galway deservedly punished, the same applies to Mayo here

I don't anybody is suggesting that Higgin's should not have been sent off.
I was mad with him and I don't know anybody that isn't. I'm also still mad that we were so undercooked in last year's match. These games mean a lot to me still. Losing yesterday hurt as much as last year's AI final. These are the 'test' matches that are must win. We lost. Higgin's messed up. I don t mind picking him out because I expect he is harder on himself now than likes of me or anybody else. He's got a bit of slack though but Regan has been slated on social media and made the headline in Daily Mail ( local Super Value were giving them away). Regan did mess up but did he let his county down ( I don't think believe anybody lets their county down - but some do) more than Higgins did?
Galway players celebrated yesterday's final whistle as much as the lads celebrated AI wins in the past. These games still matter.

At least Regan had the balls to have a go. How much time would have been chewed up going back and forth if he hadn't have gone for the first one? Who would have taken on the shot? Would he then have been made the scapegoat if he missed. Mayo were winning every kickout anyway at that stage so he would have calculated there would be enough time for a shot and another opportunity from the next kick out then. Which did arise and he took on the shot again. Hindsight is a great thing. He might have been better off trying to draw a free at that stage.

Well done to Galway. That loss left a bitter taste in the mouth. It would be nice to meet in Croke Park in August. An Fhairche Abu has summed it up fairly well. Didn't see the Higgins hit in 2011 so can't comment on that.
Seamus O'Shea is not up to it in my view. Played well against Sligo but can't cut it in the big games. We'd be better off with Vaughan at midfield and a halfback line of Keegan, Coen and Durcan.

Galway have stepped up the physicality stakes from last year. It must have been a great game for the neutral to watch. Connacht football is back on the map :p

Galway are very exciting to watch. Great scores from a number of different players.

Mayo will be back. Rochford tried some things that didn't work out,  and will presumably correct. Kerry v Mayo in an All Ireland quarter final this year is a game I'm confident will happen and really looking forward to. Winner will be strong favourite to make the final

Quote from: Bod Mor on June 13, 2017, 04:59:28 AM
At least Regan had the balls to have a go. How much time would have been chewed up going back and forth if he hadn't have gone for the first one? Who would have taken on the shot? Would he then have been made the scapegoat if he missed. Mayo were winning every kickout anyway at that stage so he would have calculated there would be enough time for a shot and another opportunity from the next kick out then. Which did arise and he took on the shot again. Hindsight is a great thing. He might have been better off trying to draw a free at that stage.

Well done to Galway. That loss left a bitter taste in the mouth. It would be nice to meet in Croke Park in August. An Fhairche Abu has summed it up fairly well. Didn't see the Higgins hit in 2011 so can't comment on that.
Seamus O'Shea is not up to it in my view. Played well against Sligo but can't cut it in the big games. We'd be better off with Vaughan at midfield and a halfback line of Keegan, Coen and Durcan.

Galway have stepped up the physicality stakes from last year. It must have been a great game for the neutral to watch. Connacht football is back on the map :p

That's complete bollix Bod to say "at least he had the balls" , the first shot was on the touchline and it's exactly the kind of low percentage shots Galway wanted us to take at that stage. The second shot was in a better position but extremely difficult for a left footer. He should have shown a bit of patience and worked a better position. That said, we missed plenty of easier shots earlier in the game.

Oh I dunno don't we all spout shire after a defeat like that.

I'm devastated I'll be honest but unlike most of ye its not because I think mayo are finished , its because we let a completely overrated galway side beat us two years on the bounce . The only way this season can be saved now is to beat galway in a semi final. Its some fookin road to navagate to get there though , wow , it will take some doin boi.

Jim 'The Oracle' McGuinness has a piece in the IT today that explains exactly why ye keep losing.

Its all about the Shared mental Models

mayo lost and galway won because galway were better at kicking long range points with the wind. QED.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 12, 2017, 11:50:15 PM
I think it's great from a Galway perspective that the coverage is completely focused on Mayo in the aftermath of the game, Galway can quietly look ahead to the (probable) Roscommon match in the Connacht final and the chance to go back to back in the West.

Higgins sending off was obviously the biggest single incident in the match. Would Mayo have won with 15 players? Probably.

From a rewatch of the game this evening a few things stood out:
McLoughlin had a great 1st half, not as prominent in the 2nd but madness to take him off in my view.
Galway FB line looked like it was going to get taken to the cleaners early on, having the extra man saved them after that.
COC is some man trying to get cards for opposition players, the black was a joke, Bradshaw should have known better for his yellow but COC was the one doing all the provocation.
Keegan at CHB is not where I would have him, himself and Walsh cancelled each other out for most of it but his best position is clearly at 5.
The lack of anticipation by the Galway defenders for the shot that hit the post and led to the goal was glaring.
"Keith Higgins is not that kind of player", he hit Mark Hehir off the ball with one of the most cowardly blows I've seen in Galway Mayo games in 2011 with no sanction, Galway were waiting 6 years for that Higgins red card.
Armstrong looked shot in some of the league games I was at, one of Galway's better players yesterday, hats off to him.
If you are not enthused by Comer's wrecking ball attitude to the game then Gaelic football is not the sport for you, that hit on DOC, yikes.
Heaney's double save was heroic stuff. The events leading to those saves were madness though.
How the referee didn't blow a free at the end for the foul on Cummins was incredible, some bad decisions against both teams over the course of the match but he wasn't the cause of the Mayo loss.
This was proper championship stuff, the atmosphere on the terrace was superb yesterday and it came across on the broadcast as well, great to have these contests with Mayo again.

Mayo showed fantastic spirit but they also showed the same failings that have occurred many times before, they were up against a team that is a good few rungs below them in the overall scheme of things and they couldn't manufacture a score over the last ten minutes with a gale behind them.
Galway didn't even play that particularly well yesterday and let's be honest, the "caught on the hop" excuse is not going to cut it for Mayo this year. It's a long road back to the 3rd Sunday in September for them now, I wouldn't write them off, it'll be difficult but I'd wager they'll still be playing in August if I had to, whether they'll win the all Ireland looks more doubtful.

I think it's clear we need to employ a full time sweeper going forward. If we don't then it's likely the Tipperary hosing of our full back line could be repeated again this year. The weakness in that line is magnified in the wide open spaces of Croker.
It is very worrying in the long term to be honest and disappointing that we haven't been able to improve that line with any new personnel this year.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 12, 2017, 11:50:15 PM
I think it's great from a Galway perspective that the coverage is completely focused on Mayo in the aftermath of the game, Galway can quietly look ahead to the (probable) Roscommon match in the Connacht final and the chance to go back to back in the West.

Higgins sending off was obviously the biggest single incident in the match. Would Mayo have won with 15 players? Probably.

From a rewatch of the game this evening a few things stood out:
McLoughlin had a great 1st half, not as prominent in the 2nd but madness to take him off in my view.
Galway FB line looked like it was going to get taken to the cleaners early on, having the extra man saved them after that. 
COC is some man trying to get cards for opposition players, the black was a joke, Bradshaw should have known better for his yellow but COC was the one doing all the provocation.
Keegan at CHB is not where I would have him, himself and Walsh cancelled each other out for most of it but his best position is clearly at 5.
The lack of anticipation by the Galway defenders for the shot that hit the post and led to the goal was glaring.
"Keith Higgins is not that kind of player", he hit Mark Hehir off the ball with one of the most cowardly blows I've seen in Galway Mayo games in 2011 with no sanction, Galway were waiting 6 years for that Higgins red card.
Armstrong looked shot in some of the league games I was at, one of Galway's better players yesterday, hats off to him.
If you are not enthused by Comer's wrecking ball attitude to the game then Gaelic football is not the sport for you, that hit on DOC, yikes.
Heaney's double save was heroic stuff. The events leading to those saves were madness though.
How the referee didn't blow a free at the end for the foul on Cummins was incredible, some bad decisions against both teams over the course of the match but he wasn't the cause of the Mayo loss.
This was proper championship stuff, the atmosphere on the terrace was superb yesterday and it came across on the broadcast as well, great to have these contests with Mayo again.

Mayo showed fantastic spirit but they also showed the same failings that have occurred many times before, they were up against a team that is a good few rungs below them in the overall scheme of things and they couldn't manufacture a score over the last ten minutes with a gale behind them.
Galway didn't even play that particularly well yesterday and let's be honest, the "caught on the hop" excuse is not going to cut it for Mayo this year. It's a long road back to the 3rd Sunday in September for them now, I wouldn't write them off, it'll be difficult but I'd wager they'll still be playing in August if I had to, whether they'll win the all Ireland looks more doubtful.

+1  I was waiting for somebody to point that out. The most blatant red card you'll ever see was that incident with Hehir in 2011.

Quote from: moysider on June 13, 2017, 12:22:26 AM

Quote from: DJGaliv on June 12, 2017, 11:56:44 PM
It had an impact but it was of your own doing. I don't think Mayo players will be saying today if it wasn't for that sending off. They'll know they didn't do enough to win that game when it was there for either team.

You were gobsmacked by jh analysis about Mayo not being of required pace or intensity. Well I don't think they were.
If Comer had hit O'Connor like that in 2013, Mayo lads would have buried him. There was no reaction. The Mayo I've seen regularly at the business end didn't seem to be there. Durcan had a bad wide when he came off the shoulder a la Lee Keegan. They just didn't click when they looked like they might and needed to!
The challenge of going down to 14 is something Mayo lads would normally relish.

Comer wasn't there in 2013 and it was a fair hit anyway. The only concern at that stage was a score anyway.
Durcan should never have taken that shot off his weaker foot.
Yeah, this team played their best half of football in drawn semi v Kerry a few years ago with 14 men and were ultimately let down at the death by a sideline that must have had a brain freeze.
Now I know you will probably take this as a criticism but I don't think there is any Div. 1 team that would have fancied going into Salthill yesterday against Galway, in pretty good shape, in probably the worst conditions I've seen for a Championship game. Even before the throw-in Padraig Joyce acknowledged that Galway were used to playing in windy conditions there.
I see some Galway posters are hurting about lack of credit for the win. Not so. They got the Prodigal Son stuff in the few bits I read anyway. On the other hand Mayo are carved up again for losing. Will the loser of Tyrone/Donegal be dismissed as readily?
In other provinces, Dublin and Kerry are fattening up on Carlows and Clares. Hardly lion's den stuff - which Salthill yesterday was.
Saying that we have issues. Keegan should be at 5, Boyle should always be in the team and discipline isn't great. That's just for starters.

Yeah am very surprised Keegan isn't played number 5. Surely Keegan at 5, Boyle at 6 and Durcan at 7 is ye're best half back line?
Coen isn't a bad player or anything but I don't think he's better than any of the other 3, not at the moment anyway.
Even Vaughan for me would offer more as he is a very strong ball carrier.
And we'd kill for the options in the fullback line that ye have, particularly in the corners.

QuoteYeah am very surprised Keegan isn't played number 5. Surely Keegan at 5, Boyle at 6 and Durcan at 7 is ye're best half back line?

With the manager we have you shouldn't be surprised at anything.

Full league went by and no backup midfield so we were stuck putting AOS into the middle the last day when target man was needed inside.

Full league gone by and Hennelly not played in any game?

Sticking Regan on at the end to get a point when he should be starting. Moran coming in for the last 30mins. All these things are obvious to everyone except the management.

Add to the fact that SOS was stuck to the ground after 15mins? What's the explanation for that? Boyle? Was he injured or not? It's been obvious that we need more shooters in the forwards yet he failed to get a player working on his game in the league. Playing McLoughlin was obviously another decision that backfired as he still looked injured after the Sligo game.

Maybe Rochford will get lucky again this year, who knows?

One of two things are the core to our problems either he doesn't have a football brain or the team are too involved in the selection decisions.

Galway tired in the last ten which is hardly a great shock given they've had very games at this level and the lack of experience is an obvious hindrance too.

There's nobody expecting Galway to go out an challenge for an All Ireland this year but I do expect they will improve with the more games they have against better opposition. I think most of the Galway posters think we're short 2 or 3 defenders to really go and challenge, unfortunately one of them I would expect to be McDaid who's off to OZ. Sean Andy Kelly from what we saw in those U21 games could be another one who looks more than capable of making the step up. That fullback line is too flat footed and lacks an initial burst of pace, it was good to see Kerin back on the bench on Sunday as I think he would adds a bit of pace to that line.

Galway have just beaten a team 2 years in a row who've been one of the top 2 teams in the country for the last 5 years, don't think they've been given any credit in the media for it.

Colm Boyle was not injured. Sr " it was a tactical decision "  good lord no Stevie that's called a wrong decision .


Sr has done very little right since taking over , guiding this team to a final last year is a misconception , the team did nothing new bar keV mcgloughlin role in games we were going to win anyhow .

Loftus should be starting by now .

All in all rochford has been very poor so far, if we were dealing in old money two early exits to an average galway would have been enough for a p45.

Maroon Manc, ye didn't deserve to win IMO , I know mayo people are not allowed say such outlandish things but we had enough ball in last 15 mins to win by four points.  Ye will be applauded when ye win a big game in croke park until then ye have done nothing in my eyes.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Galway tired in the last ten which is hardly a great shock given they've had very games at this level and the lack of experience is an obvious hindrance too.

There's nobody expecting Galway to go out an challenge for an All Ireland this year but I do expect they will improve with the more games they have against better opposition. I think most of the Galway posters think we're short 2 or 3 defenders to really go and challenge, unfortunately one of them I would expect to be McDaid who's off to OZ. Sean Andy Kelly from what we saw in those U21 games could be another one who looks more than capable of making the step up. That fullback line is too flat footed and lacks an initial burst of pace, it was good to see Kerin back on the bench on Sunday as I think he would adds a bit of pace to that line.

Galway have just beaten a team 2 years in a row who've been one of the top 2 teams in the country for the last 5 years, don't think they've been given any credit in the media for it.

I wouldn't be waiting for any credit from the media.
maybe itll come some time after mayo get a little for being in the top 2 for the last 5 years.
most of these aukld lads have not a clue about mdern football so the only way they judge a team is how many all Ireland have you won . beats having to actually analyze the games or teams

Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2017, 11:49:51 AM

QuoteYeah am very surprised Keegan isn't played number 5. Surely Keegan at 5, Boyle at 6 and Durcan at 7 is ye're best half back line?

With the manager we have you shouldn't be surprised at anything.

Full league went by and no backup midfield so we were stuck putting AOS into the middle the last day when target man was needed inside.

Full league gone by and Hennelly not played in any game?

Sticking Regan on at the end to get a point when he should be starting. Moran coming in for the last 30mins. All these things are obvious to everyone except the management.

Add to the fact that SOS was stuck to the ground after 15mins? What's the explanation for that? Boyle? Was he injured or not? It's been obvious that we need more shooters in the forwards yet he failed to get a player working on his game in the league. Playing McLoughlin was obviously another decision that backfired as he still looked injured after the Sligo game.

Maybe Rochford will get lucky again this year, who knows?

One of two things are the core to our problems either he doesn't have a football brain or the team are too involved in the selection decisions.

I am as perplexed about some of the decisions as anyone else, but to say Regan should have started and McLoughlin should not, is complete madness!

Quote from: larryin89 on June 13, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
Colm Boyle was not injured. Sr " it was a tactical decision "  good lord no Stevie that's called a wrong decision .


Sr has done very little right since taking over , guiding this team to a final last year is a misconception , the team did nothing new bar keV mcgloughlin role in games we were going to win anyhow .

Loftus should be starting by now .

All in all rochford has been very poor so far, if we were dealing in old money two early exits to an average galway would have been enough for a p45.

Maroon Manc, ye didn't deserve to win IMO , I know mayo people are not allowed say such outlandish things but we had enough ball in last 15 mins to win by four points.  Ye will be applauded when ye win a big game in croke park until then ye have done nothing in my eyes.

that's a shocking attitude . rochford got mayo to an allireland final which they would have wont had the ref spotted basticks pick up and narrowly lost the replay and you say he has done little rigt.
A lot of mayo fans need to cop themselves on. there no disgrace losing to galway . mayo do not have a devine right to win Connacht titles in and have gone decades between croke park appearances. if galway (or most other counties) repeated mayos success of last year they would be thrilled .
Mayo have great fans but a lot of shite ones as well

Boyle's abilities have been waning for a few years now. Not surprising he was dropped. But for Vaughan, a worse defender in every way bar size?

I don't give a shite about galway though or what they think , a delusional bunch since 2001 as far as I'm concerned , when ye put that right you lot will be taken serious . until then her just the Connacht champions who got humiliated by a hurling county.

Twas a thrilling game, fair play to both teams. Mayo have a strange predicament: they clearly have the best goalkeeper in Ireland, he can save both goals and points by plucking balls from over the crossbar, but he has a very feeble and wonky kickout, that puts team under a lot of pressure. Galway have clearly bulked up and in the words of one of the Kerry O'Se brothers, they hammered the hammer, namely they used it to soften not light players but some of the stronger players like Seamus O'Shea, Parsons and Diarmuid O'Connor. Then with Higgins gone, Boyle strangely dropped and Lee Keegan kept occupied by Walsh, lot of Mayo's marquee players did not have the impact you'd expect - and then there's a good bit of mileage on the clock, too. Looking at the qualifier route, Mayo will easily navigate the next round, but round 3 could be tricky - though they have the beating of all those teams. If they get by that, you'd expect to see them in Qtr final.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Galway have just beaten a team 2 years in a row who've been one of the top 2 teams in the country for the last 5 years, don't think they've been given any credit in the media for it.

As I said earlier all the focus is on Mayo post match, I'm delighted that this is the case and I wouldn't be a bit bothered about credit, Galway should not give a fiddlers about credit or respect from outside the county. The Tipperary collapse last year is still prominent in people's minds and until Galway go and win a Q-final in CP then it's doubtful that the memory of that terrible result will be erased.
Galway football is undoubtedly moving in the right direction, it's a flawed outfit currently but give that team a couple of years and we'll see what they can do, as Kevin Walsh said after the match our season was not going to be defined by the winning or losing of the Mayo game. I didn't expect Galway to win on Sunday and we are through to the last 12 now regardless of the Connacht final result, if Galway win their next two games (which could be a very big ask) then this season will have been hugely successful.

I think that Mayo are certainly still one of the top teams in the country but serious questions will be now asked of them, they had a massive response (eventually) last year, who's to say that they can't do it again? Mayo's season will be defined by whether they win the All Ireland or not, that's the reality of it.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 13, 2017, 12:48:02 PM
I don't give a shite about galway though or what they think , a delusional bunch since 2001 as far as I'm concerned , when ye put that right you lot will be taken serious . until then her just the Connacht champions who got humiliated by a hurling county.

Good man Larry  ;D

Quote from: galwayman on June 13, 2017, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 12, 2017, 11:50:15 PM
I think it's great from a Galway perspective that the coverage is completely focused on Mayo in the aftermath of the game, Galway can quietly look ahead to the (probable) Roscommon match in the Connacht final and the chance to go back to back in the West.

Higgins sending off was obviously the biggest single incident in the match. Would Mayo have won with 15 players? Probably.

From a rewatch of the game this evening a few things stood out:
McLoughlin had a great 1st half, not as prominent in the 2nd but madness to take him off in my view.
Galway FB line looked like it was going to get taken to the cleaners early on, having the extra man saved them after that.
COC is some man trying to get cards for opposition players, the black was a joke, Bradshaw should have known better for his yellow but COC was the one doing all the provocation.
Keegan at CHB is not where I would have him, himself and Walsh cancelled each other out for most of it but his best position is clearly at 5.
The lack of anticipation by the Galway defenders for the shot that hit the post and led to the goal was glaring.
"Keith Higgins is not that kind of player", he hit Mark Hehir off the ball with one of the most cowardly blows I've seen in Galway Mayo games in 2011 with no sanction, Galway were waiting 6 years for that Higgins red card.
Armstrong looked shot in some of the league games I was at, one of Galway's better players yesterday, hats off to him.
If you are not enthused by Comer's wrecking ball attitude to the game then Gaelic football is not the sport for you, that hit on DOC, yikes.
Heaney's double save was heroic stuff. The events leading to those saves were madness though.
How the referee didn't blow a free at the end for the foul on Cummins was incredible, some bad decisions against both teams over the course of the match but he wasn't the cause of the Mayo loss.
This was proper championship stuff, the atmosphere on the terrace was superb yesterday and it came across on the broadcast as well, great to have these contests with Mayo again.

Mayo showed fantastic spirit but they also showed the same failings that have occurred many times before, they were up against a team that is a good few rungs below them in the overall scheme of things and they couldn't manufacture a score over the last ten minutes with a gale behind them.
Galway didn't even play that particularly well yesterday and let's be honest, the "caught on the hop" excuse is not going to cut it for Mayo this year. It's a long road back to the 3rd Sunday in September for them now, I wouldn't write them off, it'll be difficult but I'd wager they'll still be playing in August if I had to, whether they'll win the all Ireland looks more doubtful.

I think it's clear we need to employ a full time sweeper going forward. If we don't then it's likely the Tipperary hosing of our full back line could be repeated again this year. The weakness in that line is magnified in the wide open spaces of Croker.
It is very worrying in the long term to be honest and disappointing that we haven't been able to improve that line with any new personnel this year.

I think Sean Andy could well have been full-back last Sunday only for he had agreed to go to the US for the Summer. I would expect he'll start there for Galway in next year's league. He'll add some badly needed size, strength and athleticism to what is a fairly small full-back line. We could do with unearthing a corner-back or two alright although Sweeney had a decent game I thought the last day. Doesn't help that we seem to have a new keeper every year either. Somebody really needs to nail down that spot.

Quotebut to say Regan should have started and McLoughlin should not, is complete madness!

I never said that. McLoughlin was taken off so he obviously isn't fit since the clobber he got against Sligo. They obviously took a chance on him and it backfired.

Ok on Regan, maybe Loftus and I would have either of those instead of A.Moran who as a 34 year old should be used as an impact sub to either close out games or get us out of jail (as he has done in the past).

Quotewont had the ref spotted basticks pick up

You have been going on about that too long. Get over it. There is enough footage around to show it was legal. Rochford rode his luck last year to get us to the Final and when we got their he ballsed that up. FFS Maughan was a better decision maker than him at this stage. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year but after this debacle I've lost faith in him.

Its an absolute disgrace losing to Galway. Their full backline and goalkeeper are cat and we failed to outscore them with a gale. Our midfielders are so manipulated this year to off load that they are afraid to shoot. Parsons and Seamie were always good for a long range point or so but I don't even recall a shot from them.

If one of the 5 or 6 bad decisions made on the line was corrected we would have won, i.e. playing Lee Keegan in his correct position.

Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2017, 02:37:47 PM

Quotebut to say Regan should have started and McLoughlin should not, is complete madness!

I never said that. McLoughlin was taken off so he obviously isn't fit since the clobber he got against Sligo. They obviously took a chance on him and it backfired.

Ok on Regan, maybe Loftus and I would have either of those instead of A.Moran who as a 34 year old should be used as an impact sub to either close out games or get us out of jail (as he has done in the past).

Ye'd have been better served leaving Andy on for the full 70.

 A lot of disrespect being shown here to Galways victory! lad questioning the ability of players and them doing it in Croke Park. Mayo lads should know better than anyone that showing such disrespect is the lowest level of sour grapes. Many Mayo people got so used to winning the Nestor Cup over the last couple of years that they now see it as a sort of entitlement. Well it's not! Take your beating and move on! Well done again to Galway!

Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2017, 02:40:09 PM

Quotewont had the ref spotted basticks pick up

You have been going on about that too long. Get over it. There is enough footage around to show it was legal. Rochford rode his luck last year to get us to the Final and when we got their he ballsed that up. FFS Maughan was a better decision maker than him at this stage. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year but after this debacle I've lost faith in him.

Its an absolute disgrace losing to Galway. Their full backline and goalkeeper are cat and we failed to outscore them with a gale. Our midfielders are so manipulated this year to off load that they are afraid to shoot. Parsons and Seamie were always good for a long range point or so but I don't even recall a shot from them.

If one of the 5 or 6 bad decisions made on the line was corrected we would have won, i.e. playing Lee Keegan in his correct position.

i dont agree with you about the bastick pickup but either way my overall point still stand.
mayo Spectator are throwning their toys out of the cot and lambasting players and manager who have been very successful for losing a match against our closet neighbour , who are a young improving team, by one point.
Were galway to win the allireland this year i would not be suprised as its during campaigns  that teams improve, 
i would not be suprized for long anyway as i would be committing suicide shortly after the final whistle

Quote from: rosnarun on June 13, 2017, 03:30:12 PM

Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2017, 02:40:09 PM

Quotewont had the ref spotted basticks pick up

You have been going on about that too long. Get over it. There is enough footage around to show it was legal. Rochford rode his luck last year to get us to the Final and when we got their he ballsed that up. FFS Maughan was a better decision maker than him at this stage. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year but after this debacle I've lost faith in him.

Its an absolute disgrace losing to Galway. Their full backline and goalkeeper are cat and we failed to outscore them with a gale. Our midfielders are so manipulated this year to off load that they are afraid to shoot. Parsons and Seamie were always good for a long range point or so but I don't even recall a shot from them.

If one of the 5 or 6 bad decisions made on the line was corrected we would have won, i.e. playing Lee Keegan in his correct position.

Were galway to win the allireland this year i would not be suprised as its during campaigns  that teams improve, 

Well I'd be surprised. I'd be flabbergasted in fact. Don't think our back 4 can hold up against a Dublin or Kerry if we even get to play one of them. We do have players coming through though so in a couple of years then maybe. If Dublin slip back a bit once some older heads depart. Problem is then Kerry will have the Cliffords et al making the breakthrough.

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Quote from: rosnarun on June 13, 2017, 03:30:12 PM

Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2017, 02:40:09 PM

Quotewont had the ref spotted basticks pick up

You have been going on about that too long. Get over it. There is enough footage around to show it was legal. Rochford rode his luck last year to get us to the Final and when we got their he ballsed that up. FFS Maughan was a better decision maker than him at this stage. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year but after this debacle I've lost faith in him.

Its an absolute disgrace losing to Galway. Their full backline and goalkeeper are cat and we failed to outscore them with a gale. Our midfielders are so manipulated this year to off load that they are afraid to shoot. Parsons and Seamie were always good for a long range point or so but I don't even recall a shot from them.

If one of the 5 or 6 bad decisions made on the line was corrected we would have won, i.e. playing Lee Keegan in his correct position.

Were galway to win the allireland this year i would not be suprised as its during campaigns  that teams improve, 

Well I'd be surprised. I'd be flabbergasted in fact. Don't think our back 4 can hold up against a Dublin or Kerry if we even get to play one of them. We do have players coming through though so in a couple of years then maybe. If Dublin slip back a bit once some older heads depart. Problem is then Kerry will have the Cliffords et al making the breakthrough.

Mulkerrin has the potential to be an outstanding full back.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 13, 2017, 12:48:02 PM
I don't give a shite about galway though or what they think , a delusional bunch since 2001 as far as I'm concerned , when ye put that right you lot will be taken serious . until then her just the Connacht champions who got humiliated by a hurling county.

Lord God

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Quote from: rosnarun on June 13, 2017, 03:30:12 PM

Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2017, 02:40:09 PM

Quotewont had the ref spotted basticks pick up

You have been going on about that too long. Get over it. There is enough footage around to show it was legal. Rochford rode his luck last year to get us to the Final and when we got their he ballsed that up. FFS Maughan was a better decision maker than him at this stage. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year but after this debacle I've lost faith in him.

Its an absolute disgrace losing to Galway. Their full backline and goalkeeper are cat and we failed to outscore them with a gale. Our midfielders are so manipulated this year to off load that they are afraid to shoot. Parsons and Seamie were always good for a long range point or so but I don't even recall a shot from them.

If one of the 5 or 6 bad decisions made on the line was corrected we would have won, i.e. playing Lee Keegan in his correct position.

Were galway to win the allireland this year i would not be suprised as its during campaigns  that teams improve, 

Well I'd be surprised. I'd be flabbergasted in fact. Don't think our back 4 can hold up against a Dublin or Kerry if we even get to play one of them. We do have players coming through though so in a couple of years then maybe. If Dublin slip back a bit once some older heads depart. Problem is then Kerry will have the Cliffords et al making the breakthrough.

i dont think galway are that far off definetly not thaat far off may should be 'Scandalized ' losing to them, . only for the choke/stutter against Tipp last year it would have been some semifinal match up. its during a season team get to fine tune who plays where in what style etc.
one of the reasons it so hard to make a breakthrough if your out quickly every year as well as that i don think 30 lads would turn down the chance to play for galway now.

Mayo lads - I was just thinking during the league this year that ye could do with a lad like Enda Varley in the squad.
If he didn't start he would be a decent lad to come in off the bench. Surely a better bet than Evan Regan?
He has been playing well for Vincents and while maybe a bit hot and cold, from what I've seen he's more likely to kick a few scores than anyone else on that bench.
Nothing to do with the 2 late wides on Sunday - but Regan hasn't done much any time I've seen him play for Mayo.

Regan and loftus need game time. I've seen varley not long ago for vincents , his county days are well past him now.

Good man/woman from the bunker that's big of you , you're a credit to your county.

Personally I'm the opposite type character , I've a two fingered salute to galway , fook them.

Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2017, 02:40:09 PM

Quotewont had the ref spotted basticks pick up

You have been going on about that too long. Get over it. There is enough footage around to show it was legal. Rochford rode his luck last year to get us to the Final and when we got their he ballsed that up. FFS Maughan was a better decision maker than him at this stage. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year but after this debacle I've lost faith in him.

Its an absolute disgrace losing to Galway. Their full backline and goalkeeper are cat and we failed to outscore them with a gale. Our midfielders are so manipulated this year to off load that they are afraid to shoot. Parsons and Seamie were always good for a long range point or so but I don't even recall a shot from them.

If one of the 5 or 6 bad decisions made on the line was corrected we would have won, i.e. playing Lee Keegan in his correct position.

You're argument loses all credibility when you start laying all the blame at Rochford's door. He made some poor calls the last day without a doubt, none of the substitutions worked apart from an unfit AOS to a certain extent.
McLoughlin was one of our best forwards the last day, knock or no knock against Sligo he was clearly fit and played well. Maybe he ran out of steam and that's why he was taken off. I'd have left Andy on but it's the norm now to call him ashore after 60/65 mins. Don't agree with it because he had more in the tank the last day but a call we've seen plenty others make before.
If you can't see the single biggest reason we lost the last day was being down to 14 men then you are letting your dislike of Rochford colour your vision imo. Yes we overcame it in 2014 but that was a freaky performance. It is absolutely exhausting to play a man down for 50 minutes against a limited but more than decent Galway team. If we had 15 men I think we'd have won by a few points, that's the height of it. To be down a man against a good team was a lot to ask. Still we nearly did it because of the attitude and fight those boys have.
Galway were worth their win the last day, they used the extra men well, eventually. They hit better scores against the breeze and they managed to rile enough of our lads and put them off their game. Crucially they clearly got to Higgins. He's normally a lot cuter than that and I don't know what got into him to do that in front of the ref. I doubt he knows himself.
I'm feeling more optimistic a couple of days on. I think we're in better shape than we were this time last year and I fancy us to go on a good run yet. Unfortunately in terms of going all the way, little has changed and it will be by perspiration rather than inspiration if we do it this year. Very hard to see them doing it after Sunday I know but get on a run and anything is possible.

Ye see its not the norm is it , yet the galway man can sit back and ridicule mayo year in year out despite the fact they themselves have been pathetic for 16 years now.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 13, 2017, 04:45:20 PM
Regan and loftus need game time. I've seen varley not long ago for vincents , his county days are well past him now.

Good man/woman from the bunker that's big of you , you're a credit to your county.

Personally I'm the opposite type character , I've a two fingered salute to galway , fook them.

Thanks (I suppose!).

Ballaghman like it or not the buck stops at the man at the top and that's Rochford.

I said it a few times here before that our lads have discipline issues, Keegan, O,Connor, SOS all have past history and in particular this is down to niggley opponents. How did the management overlook this problem? It should have been expected that Galway would be niggly and we should be mature enough not to let it get to us.

Putting that to one side we were still in control of the match with 14 and yet again Rochford blew it with idiotic substitutions and a complete lack of control. You said yourself none of the substitutions worked, it was SR that made them.


He should have left andy on and put Aidan into FF and they would have done damage. But that's probably too simple for SR.

p.s. what the hell is that secondary warm up we are doing like mad b**tards just before the throw in at each half when the other team have taken their positions? Is that some sort of sports science bullshit ? It looks too me to be causing slow starts to each half, same crack in the Sligo game.

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It had an impact but it was of your own doing. I don't think Mayo players will be saying today if it wasn't for that sending off. They'll know they didn't do enough to win that game when it was there for either team.

You were gobsmacked by jh analysis about Mayo not being of required pace or intensity. Well I don't think they were.
If Comer had hit O'Connor like that in 2013, Mayo lads would have buried him. There was no reaction. The Mayo I've seen regularly at the business end didn't seem to be there. Durcan had a bad wide when he came off the shoulder a la Lee Keegan. They just didn't click when they looked like they might and needed to!
The challenge of going down to 14 is something Mayo lads would normally relish.

Comer wasn't there in 2013 and it was a fair hit anyway. The only concern at that stage was a score anyway.
Durcan should never have taken that shot off his weaker foot.
Yeah, this team played their best half of football in drawn semi v Kerry a few years ago with 14 men and were ultimately let down at the death by a sideline that must have had a brain freeze.
Now I know you will probably take this as a criticism but I don't think there is any Div. 1 team that would have fancied going into Salthill yesterday against Galway, in pretty good shape, in probably the worst conditions I've seen for a Championship game. Even before the throw-in Padraig Joyce acknowledged that Galway were used to playing in windy conditions there.
I see some Galway posters are hurting about lack of credit for the win. Not so. They got the Prodigal Son stuff in the few bits I read anyway. On the other hand Mayo are carved up again for losing. Will the loser of Tyrone/Donegal be dismissed as readily?
In other provinces, Dublin and Kerry are fattening up on Carlows and Clares. Hardly lion's den stuff - which Salthill yesterday was.
Saying that we have issues. Keegan should be at 5, Boyle should always be in the team and discipline isn't great. That's just for starters.

Ya, shot selection, knowing when to lay it off and who to lay it off to is something that is killing us. Paddy is a very accurate kicker when he has time to line up a shot but can be wasteful when shooting on the run. He has serious pace but needs to lay it off a bit more imo. A great goal opportunity was also butchered against Sligo when he didn't offload it.

Similar story with Kirby's goal chance the last day. While it was a great stop by Johnny Heaney, both Cillian and Diarmuid were free in an acre of space had he looked up.

In the last few minutes, we needed to get Cillian on the ball. He was screaming for it at the very end but Doc gave the ball to the inexperienced Regan instead. Don't want to be harsh on lads who are putting in a serious effort but it's our inability to take these kind of opportunities that has ultimately prevented the team from getting over the line. We need our runners to get the ball to Cillian and Andy more often.


     

I'd say probably five of Meath's six starting forwards against Louth the last day would be faster than the fastest forward starting for Mayo against Galway.
It's frankly staggering that Mayo are so competitive year-on-year despite the total lack of pace up front.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, you need to transplant speed into that forward line from the half-back line.
You'd have to start during the league though, too late now.

An thoughts on this?

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Good match analysing there something that RTE might do for once.

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Good match analysing there something that RTE might do for once.

Cake did it and ye eejits laughed at him for it.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 13, 2017, 11:34:00 PM
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Its started off with nonsense about the 1,2,3 .... the reality is the #1 needs to drive on and draw the first man. Mayos #1 didn't drive on.
The rest though is excellent (Seamus O'Shea facts very revealing) and finally we are getting someone willing to at least look at the real rationale behind Clarke being dropped for the replay last year:

"Perhaps the Hennelly/Clarke debate is more complex than it seems."

I've previously said that we won't beat Dublin without Clarke but equally we won't beat them with him. I fear that argument needs to be extended to a few more counties as more teams structure their game to challenge him. The ultimate irony i feel is that if Hennelly was playing the last day v Galway, then given the wind factor on kickouts we would have won

QuoteI'd say probably five of Meath's six starting forwards against Louth the last day would be faster than the fastest forward starting for Mayo against Galway.
It's frankly staggering that Mayo are so competitive year-on-year despite the total lack of pace up front.

By far and away its the single biggest problem we have. If COC and his brother and one or 2 more in the forward line had real pace, then Sam would have visited once or twice by now. Can we borrow yee're sprint coach ?

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Interesting analysis and at least he's making an effort to analyse the game and generate talking points based on facts.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with it all,  particularly regarding kick outs - galway having an extra man allowed them to go man to man on ours while retaining a sweeper.

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Interesting analysis and at least he's making an effort to analyse the game and generate talking points based on facts.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with it all,  particularly regarding kick outs - galway having an extra man allowed them to go man to man on ours while retaining a sweeper.

There's a tendency for analysts trying to make names for themselves to indulge in over-analysis.

The game on Sunday was most effected by the sending off and most problems Mayo faced and indeed the reason for Galway actually won rippled outward from that single event. It makes a lot of the praise of Galway's apparent physicality and tactics ring a little untrue.

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Interesting analysis and at least he's making an effort to analyse the game and generate talking points based on facts.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with it all,  particularly regarding kick outs - galway having an extra man allowed them to go man to man on ours while retaining a sweeper.

There's a tendency for analysts trying to make names for themselves to indulge in over-analysis.

The game on Sunday was most effected by the sending off and most problems Mayo faced and indeed the reason for Galway actually won rippled outward from that single event. It makes a lot of the praise of Galway's apparent physicality and tactics ring a little untrue.

Talking sense again Sy! Look, the sending off changed the dynamic of the game. But to give credit Galway still had to fashion the winning of the game!

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Interesting analysis and at least he's making an effort to analyse the game and generate talking points based on facts.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with it all,  particularly regarding kick outs - galway having an extra man allowed them to go man to man on ours while retaining a sweeper.

There's a tendency for analysts trying to make names for themselves to indulge in over-analysis.

The game on Sunday was most effected by the sending off and most problems Mayo faced and indeed the reason for Galway actually won rippled outward from that single event. It makes a lot of the praise of Galway's apparent physicality and tactics ring a little untrue.

Talking sense again Sy! Look, the sending off changed the dynamic of the game. But to give credit Galway still had to fashion the winning of the game!

So the stats/facts on Seamus O'Sheas performances aren't a concern?
Nor Clarkes kickouts?
Nor our inability to establish our running game?

No, it seems according to you. Sure twas all the sending off, sure twill be grand the next day when we play with the full 15, twill be alright on the night

QuoteNo, it seems according to you. Sure twas all the sending off, sure twill be grand the next day when we play with the full 15, twill be alright on the night

All but 4 Mayo posters are deluded here Blast.

Our goose is cooked unless SR has the balls to completely change things around (if he is let) in the next game.

Dropping SOS (use him as an impact rather than starting) and starting Coen in midfield is a start. Keeping Moran in reserve and starting either Loftus or COS (if fit). Dropping Donie (Donie might be needed for Higgins), starting Kirby.  Dropping Dillion (is the medium term plan to use Dillion this year?) from the panel and bringing in Akram or Cuniffe or some other speedy U21 from last years team. Starting Lee in his position and bringing in Boyle. Putting midfielders into midfield for the throw-ins.

If some (not all) of these changes aren't made then the first Div1 team we face will knock us out. My faith is gone so I don't believe these changes will be made. In fact the cynic in me predicts Hennelly will be back the next day and that will be the only unenforced change.

We can start planning for the electric picnic this year. 

Quote from: highorlow on June 14, 2017, 11:44:26 AM

QuoteNo, it seems according to you. Sure twas all the sending off, sure twill be grand the next day when we play with the full 15, twill be alright on the night

All but 4 Mayo posters are deluded here Blast.

Our goose is cooked unless SR has the balls to completely change things around (if he is let) in the next game.

Dropping SOS (use him as an impact rather than starting) and starting Coen in midfield is a start. Keeping Moran in reserve and starting either Loftus or COS (if fit). Dropping Donie (Donie might be needed for Higgins), starting Kirby.  Dropping Dillion (is the medium term plan to use Dillion this year?) from the panel and bringing in Akram or Cuniffe or some other speedy U21 from last years team. Starting Lee in his position and bringing in Boyle. Putting midfielders into midfield for the throw-ins.

If some (not all) of these changes aren't made then the first Div1 team we face will knock us out. My faith is gone so I don't believe these changes will be made. In fact the cynic in me predicts Hennelly will be back the next day and that will be the only unenforced change.

We can start planning for the electric picnic this year. 

jesus wept.
14 man mayo lose a game by a point on a very windy day monthe after drawing an allireland final  and you have loons on looking for 8 changes to the team.

The "loons" as you call them are actually correct in what they're doing. A critical self analysis that it seems to me Mayo never really do. We lost cos they put the game in Limerick, an unlucky bounce over the bar, a man sent off.......there's always some reason but it's never your own fault. Thankfully, as someone who doesn't want to see Mayo win the All-Ireland, the "loons" are in the small minority in your county.

Quote from: magpie seanie on June 14, 2017, 01:20:56 PM
The "loons" as you call them are actually correct in what they're doing. A critical self analysis that it seems to me Mayo never really do. We lost cos they put the game in Limerick, an unlucky bounce over the bar, a man sent off.......there's always some reason but it's never your own fault. Thankfully, as someone who doesn't want to see Mayo win the All-Ireland, the "loons" are in the small minority in your county.

That's harsh. Since Horan took over, there is a definitely a culture in Mayo teams of only looking at one thing after a defeat .... the mirror. That culture has carried through with H&C and Rochford.
There will of course always be Mayo supporters who will whinge but even among that group, the culture has dramatically shifted too to looking in the mirror.

Quote from: magpie seanie on June 14, 2017, 01:20:56 PM
The "loons" as you call them are actually correct in what they're doing. A critical self analysis that it seems to me Mayo never really do. We lost cos they put the game in Limerick, an unlucky bounce over the bar, a man sent off.......there's always some reason but it's never your own fault. Thankfully, as someone who doesn't want to see Mayo win the All-Ireland, the "loons" are in the small minority in your county.

You are a bitter person, I just included your post after the game

"Enjoyed the game. Thought Galway nearly threw it away due to their funny first half tactics and a bit of panic setting in in the last ten minutes. Luckily for them COC bottled a free yet again and then hid and Mayo had none else who could score because they'd taken Andy Moran off. It's like watching the same movie over and over again, Mayo never learn. In the conditions it was a very good game.....that Galway forward line could be very tasty in Croke Park later in the summer."

Cillian o Connor did not bottle a free, in fact if you take the time look at the facts, he scored a monster free from 60+ yards out, then took one from a similar distance, and it resulted in a free out for a square ball. He does not hide, he scored 0-6pts, was responsible for three more scores.

Hard to understand where your hate of Mayo emanates from. That is your issue.
As a mayoman, I don't think I have ever not wanted to see Sligo losing, (except when playing Mayo), I would say a lot of Mayo people have similar thoughts.
On a positive note, you only have two months until soccer begins. The vile comments that accompany that sport and its supporters may suit you better.

Our goose is cooked unless SR has the balls to completely change things around (if he is let) in the next game.

Dropping SOS (use him as an impact rather than starting) and starting Coen in midfield is a start. Keeping Moran in reserve and starting either Loftus or COS (if fit). Dropping Donie (Donie might be needed for Higgins), starting Kirby.  Dropping Dillion (is the medium term plan to use Dillion this year?) from the panel and bringing in Akram or Cuniffe or some other speedy U21 from last years team. Starting Lee in his position and bringing in Boyle. Putting midfielders into midfield for the throw-ins.

If some (not all) of these changes aren't made then the first Div1 team we face will knock us out. My faith is gone so I don't believe these changes will be made. In fact the cynic in me predicts Hennelly will be back the next day and that will be the only unenforced change.

We can start planning for the electric picnic this year.
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Rochford is trying to be too smart and over complicating things.Keegan has to go back to 5 and Boyle has to come back in.We spent a full summer trying to turn Mc Loughlin into a sweeper and when he gets good at it we abandon it completley.Andy has to finish the games not start them.Loftus has to be given a go his pace alone is badly needed.Aido at ff if nothing else other teams are forced to double team him which would leave us with a free man.This shite of having Cillian around our half back line needs to stop aswell hes our best forward ffs.

Quote from: mayoman dan on June 14, 2017, 02:05:02 PM



Our goose is cooked unless SR has the balls to completely change things around (if he is let) in the next game.

Dropping SOS (use him as an impact rather than starting) and starting Coen in midfield is a start. Keeping Moran in reserve and starting either Loftus or COS (if fit). Dropping Donie (Donie might be needed for Higgins), starting Kirby.  Dropping Dillion (is the medium term plan to use Dillion this year?) from the panel and bringing in Akram or Cuniffe or some other speedy U21 from last years team. Starting Lee in his position and bringing in Boyle. Putting midfielders into midfield for the throw-ins.

If some (not all) of these changes aren't made then the first Div1 team we face will knock us out. My faith is gone so I don't believe these changes will be made. In fact the cynic in me predicts Hennelly will be back the next day and that will be the only unenforced change.

We can start planning for the electric picnic this year.

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Rochford is trying to be too smart and over complicating things.Keegan has to go back to 5 and Boyle has to come back in.We spent a full summer trying to turn Mc Loughlin into a sweeper and when he gets good at it we abandon it completley.Andy has to finish the games not start them.Loftus has to be given a go his pace alone is badly needed.Aido at ff if nothing else other teams are forced to double team him which would leave us with a free man.This shite of having Cillian around our half back line needs to stop aswell hes our best forward ffs.
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so just the 6 changes require to make up for a  point  loss.
Mayo need very few changes they just need to do what they do but do it better though training and good coaching .
there are reasons that mayo have been at the top table for the last several years despite perhaps not having the  best individuals and not making huge over reaction to a loss is one of them

Is Dillion actually still on the panel? The fúck?

Quote from: Syferus on June 14, 2017, 03:57:31 PM
Is Dillion actually still on the panel? The fúck?

DILLON - his name is Alan Dillon.

We've had plenty of defeats before and I was able to take them at face value. Even last year's AIF.

It's the nature of this one point defeat that's harrowing.

We beat Tyrone last year in a game I'd say they definitely felt they left behind. Watch and see how they will have learned from that in this year's championship.

I hope this "loon" is proven wrong and all the "supporters" on here that view the opposite and that this is a minor blip are in fact right. Time will tell, I'll keep following the team anyways, they need our support more than ever.

Fogra: any lads that keep calling it a "team" should remember it's a "panel" game these days. But then again that could be another problem with us.

Rochford is trying to be too smart and over complicating things.Keegan has to go back to 5 and Boyle has to come back in.We spent a full summer trying to turn Mc Loughlin into a sweeper and when he gets good at it we abandon it completley.Andy has to finish the games not start them.Loftus has to be given a go his pace alone is badly needed.Aido at ff if nothing else other teams are forced to double team him which would leave us with a free man.This shite of having Cillian around our half back line needs to stop aswell hes our best forward ffs.
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so just the 6 changes require to make up for a  point  loss.
Mayo need very few changes they just need to do what they do but do it better though training and good coaching .
there are reasons that mayo have been at the top table for the last several years despite perhaps not having the  best individuals and not making huge over reaction to a loss is one of them
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The amount of changes is irrelevant.Mayo were at the top table last year because of unbelievable good luck in the qualifier draw and Tyrones lack of a cutting edge to put us away in the quarter final.The amount of chances Tyrone missed was criminal.I can see the logic in moving Mc Loughlin even if i dont agree with it.Loftus is a gamble but its one Kerry or Dublin would have no fears of making.Dropping Boyle playing Keegan out of position and wasting cillian round the middle of the field is madness and no amount of training or good coaching is going to rectify that

I've been too poxified to bother commenting on the game until now. I'm not too bothered about who did what ; it's what they didn't do that gives me the hump.

Coming up to the end of the first half, Mayo appeared to have the situation under control. They were playing well within themselves- not flat out but softening the opposition and letting them know that Armageddon was coming on the changeover.
All they had to do I felt was bag the first couple of points and Galway would accept the inevitable.. Coming up to the end of the half the Galway defence was undoubtedly panicky and I am certain none of them were looking forward to the switch around when they'd be facing into the wind.
And what happened? The usual I'm afraid...
Mayo were caught napping as has happened so many times in the past and once Galway bagged the first vital points, I knew we'd be playing catch up right through to the end. And so it happened.
Against Sligo, Mayo were dominant coming to the end of the first half once again and they failed to put the game beyond doubt on the restart as Kerry or Dublin would.
Why is it that Mayo can lose the plot so often when they appear to have the hard work done and they should be well able to close out the game. Sometimes Mayo squeak through and other times they come up short but they can often snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and not the other way around.
Mayo were well-known for imploding at crucial moments long before James Horan took charge and it seems like it's going to be more of the same in the future.
I'd also have to say that we tend to underestimate the worth of our players and fail to appreciate the hard graft they put in.  Even with a seriously dysfunctional attack Mayo has been there or thereabouts for six or seven years now.
Tactical ineptitude is about the kindest remark I can pass about the buckos who have manned the sideline all those years and yet the lads keep coming back and I hope this year won't be any different to recent ones. With the little bit of luck for a change. ;D

I just watched the highlights there. Whilst I usually support mayo in this fixture I found myself cheering for Galway on Sunday. Great for football as I can't bear to watch mayo disappointment us all later in the year. A few points:

- why do mayo keep selecting Donte Vaughan?
- cillian O'Connor is a super footballer, but he is a cheat
- Aidan O'Shea is some waste of talent
- Galway have some lovely forwards

Quote from: regal on June 14, 2017, 11:37:24 PM
I just watched the highlights there. Whilst I usually support mayo in this fixture I found myself cheering for Galway on Sunday. Great for football as I can't bear to watch mayo disappointment us all later in the year. A few points:

- why do mayo keep selecting Donte Vaughan?
- cillian O'Connor is a super footballer, but he is a cheat
- Aidan O'Shea is some waste of talent
- Galway have some lovely forwards

Is he?

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2017, 01:20:32 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Galway have just beaten a team 2 years in a row who've been one of the top 2 teams in the country for the last 5 years, don't think they've been given any credit in the media for it.

As I said earlier all the focus is on Mayo post match, I'm delighted that this is the case and I wouldn't be a bit bothered about credit, Galway should not give a fiddlers about credit or respect from outside the county. The Tipperary collapse last year is still prominent in people's minds and until Galway go and win a Q-final in CP then it's doubtful that the memory of that terrible result will be erased.
Galway football is undoubtedly moving in the right direction, it's a flawed outfit currently but give that team a couple of years and we'll see what they can do, as Kevin Walsh said after the match our season was not going to be defined by the winning or losing of the Mayo game. I didn't expect Galway to win on Sunday and we are through to the last 12 now regardless of the Connacht final result, if Galway win their next two games (which could be a very big ask) then this season will have been hugely successful.

I think that Mayo are certainly still one of the top teams in the country but serious questions will be now asked of them, they had a massive response (eventually) last year, who's to say that they can't do it again? Mayo's season will be defined by whether they win the All Ireland or not, that's the reality of it.

Quote from: larryin89 on June 13, 2017, 12:48:02 PM
I don't give a shite about galway though or what they think , a delusional bunch since 2001 as far as I'm concerned , when ye put that right you lot will be taken serious . until then her just the Connacht champions who got humiliated by a hurling county.

Good man Larry  ;D

You're right, more frustrating listening to Michael Quirke's so called in depth analysis on 2 different podcasts when he was clearly at the Kerry Clare match and only caught a few minutes highlights on the Sunday Game.

As for Larry looks like a 2nd defeat in a row has hit him badly.

Quote from: highorlow on June 14, 2017, 06:25:32 PM
We've had plenty of defeats before and I was able to take them at face value. Even last year's AIF.

It's the nature of this one point defeat that's harrowing.

We beat Tyrone last year in a game I'd say they definitely felt they left behind. Watch and see how they will have learned from that in this year's championship.

I hope this "loon" is proven wrong and all the "supporters" on here that view the opposite and that this is a minor blip are in fact right. Time will tell, I'll keep following the team anyways, they need our support more than ever.

Fogra: any lads that keep calling it a "team" should remember it's a "panel" game these days. But then again that could be another problem with us.

I agree 100% Highorlow that we rode our luck last year but that's what Tyrone do, they.waste chances. Look at the league game again this year. You can't have it both ways and just pick out the bad things Rochford did and ignore the good.  He absolutely got the better of Harte tactically last year.  Playing Dillon was a masterstroke. He also got the better of Gavin in the drawn game. We were.a.good deal better than Dublin that day but we found another way to mess it up. Gavin.got the better of him the next day, largely because he was trying to be 'too smart' with the keeper change and it backfired badly.
We got a seriously lucky draw last year but you can't ignore the good things he did. He set us up in a way to play Dublin that was much more controlled. The year before under H and C it was all gung ho stuff and we ran out of steam and ideas .  Last year with McLoughlin sweeping and our backs more disciplined in when they'd attack and when they'd stay we looked much more assured against what is ultimately a stronger panel.
We're up against it big time this year but I still fancy us to make the quarters. Then we'll run into Kerry most likeky and we'll see what they're made of then, SR included.

Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:08:14 AM
You're right, more frustrating listening to Michael Quirke's so called in depth analysis on 2 different podcasts when he was clearly at the Kerry Clare match and only caught a few minutes highlights on the Sunday Game.

I listened to both of those and it is doubtful that he had watched the match in full, with respect to the the Off The Ball coverage at least BJ Padden was at the actual game and could give an informed opinion.
Quirke is just another Kerry talking head in the media spoofing away about other counties while trying to create whatever narrative suits the Kerry team best.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

Quote from: galwayman on June 15, 2017, 11:55:52 AM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

Would agree with you in terms of our current options in the FB line but hopefully that situation should improve through the league next year.  For now though, we have to make do with what we available to us.  I wouldn't agree on the FB line being totally responsible for the Tipp debacle last year - any FB line would have struggled with the amount of ball that was coming in on top of them that day - we were also roasted further out the pitch and the ease with which Tipp were able to carry the ball up the field that day was criminal.  Hopefully being a year wiser will make a difference!!

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 15, 2017, 12:07:34 PM

Quote from: galwayman on June 15, 2017, 11:55:52 AM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

Would agree with you in terms of our current options in the FB line but hopefully that situation should improve through the league next year.  For now though, we have to make do with what we available to us.  I wouldn't agree on the FB line being totally responsible for the Tipp debacle last year - any FB line would have struggled with the amount of ball that was coming in on top of them that day - we were also roasted further out the pitch and the ease with which Tipp were able to carry the ball up the field that day was criminal.  Hopefully being a year wiser will make a difference!!

Accepting the problems as outlined already this is the key point, Galway were absolutely destroyed in the middle third, you could have the best FB line in the world but it's not going to matter a jot if there is constant attacks without any respite as was the case in the Q-final last year.

Only 29 pages yet.
No hope of a hundred pager here :(

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 15, 2017, 12:17:08 PM

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Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

Would agree with you in terms of our current options in the FB line but hopefully that situation should improve through the league next year.  For now though, we have to make do with what we available to us.  I wouldn't agree on the FB line being totally responsible for the Tipp debacle last year - any FB line would have struggled with the amount of ball that was coming in on top of them that day - we were also roasted further out the pitch and the ease with which Tipp were able to carry the ball up the field that day was criminal.  Hopefully being a year wiser will make a difference!!

Accepting the problems as outlined already this is the key point, Galway were absolutely destroyed in the middle third, you could have the best FB line in the world but it's not going to matter a jot if there is constant attacks without any respite as was the case in the Q-final last year.

Absolutely they were in the Tipp game I totally accept that.
But I do still believe that we could be in trouble in that line regardless if we get to Croker given the extra space in there.
I say that 100% hoping I am proved wrong.
Now whether we can maybe tailor our game somewhat to protect the area in front of goal if that comes to pass remains to be seen.

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Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

Would agree with you in terms of our current options in the FB line but hopefully that situation should improve through the league next year.  For now though, we have to make do with what we available to us.  I wouldn't agree on the FB line being totally responsible for the Tipp debacle last year - any FB line would have struggled with the amount of ball that was coming in on top of them that day - we were also roasted further out the pitch and the ease with which Tipp were able to carry the ball up the field that day was criminal.  Hopefully being a year wiser will make a difference!!

Accepting the problems as outlined already this is the key point, Galway were absolutely destroyed in the middle third, you could have the best FB line in the world but it's not going to matter a jot if there is constant attacks without any respite as was the case in the Q-final last year.

Absolutely they were in the Tipp game I totally accept that.
But I do still believe that we could be in trouble in that line regardless if we get to Croker given the extra space in there.
I say that 100% hoping I am proved wrong.
Now whether we can maybe tailor our game somewhat to protect the area in front of goal if that comes to pass remains to be seen.

The biggest issues against Tipp was kickouts, from memory Tipp were 100% on their own and won over 40% of Galway's. You haven't a hope of winning a match with those set of stats. You'd like to think that wouldn't happen again. Galway will be a more experienced outfit and aren't as one dimensional as they were last year, Galway certainly weren't as negative as they were against Mayo last year which should mean we're less predictable to play against.

On a positive side the panel is a lot stronger and gives Walsh a lot more options when making changes. 

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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 14, 2017, 01:20:56 PM
The "loons" as you call them are actually correct in what they're doing. A critical self analysis that it seems to me Mayo never really do. We lost cos they put the game in Limerick, an unlucky bounce over the bar, a man sent off.......there's always some reason but it's never your own fault. Thankfully, as someone who doesn't want to see Mayo win the All-Ireland, the "loons" are in the small minority in your county.

You are a bitter person, I just included your post after the game

"Enjoyed the game. Thought Galway nearly threw it away due to their funny first half tactics and a bit of panic setting in in the last ten minutes. Luckily for them COC bottled a free yet again and then hid and Mayo had none else who could score because they'd taken Andy Moran off. It's like watching the same movie over and over again, Mayo never learn. In the conditions it was a very good game.....that Galway forward line could be very tasty in Croke Park later in the summer."

Cillian o Connor did not bottle a free, in fact if you take the time look at the facts, he scored a monster free from 60+ yards out, then took one from a similar distance, and it resulted in a free out for a square ball. He does not hide, he scored 0-6pts, was responsible for three more scores.

Hard to understand where your hate of Mayo emanates from. That is your issue.
As a mayoman, I don't think I have ever not wanted to see Sligo losing, (except when playing Mayo), I would say a lot of Mayo people have similar thoughts.
On a positive note, you only have two months until soccer begins. The vile comments that accompany that sport and its supporters may suit you better.

Slight overreaction!!! A bit tender are we? Let me try to explain my "vile comments".

In the GAA it is not uncommon for people to not want neighbouring clubs/counties to succeed. Especially if you've suffered a lot of defeats and all that goes with that over the years. I won't go into my own reasons because I'd possibly be here all day but in a move that sort of contradicts yourself you say you're not interested in them anyway...."That is your issue".

I always found the start of the (I assume you mean Premier League in England) soccer season to be a bit depressing as it signals the end of the championship is close and we're heading into months of wall to wall coverage. Nowadays I'd be looking forward to the NFL season to get me through to spring. Not many "vile comments".....you'd probably like it. Aidan O'Shea tried it one time.

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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 14, 2017, 01:20:56 PM
The "loons" as you call them are actually correct in what they're doing. A critical self analysis that it seems to me Mayo never really do. We lost cos they put the game in Limerick, an unlucky bounce over the bar, a man sent off.......there's always some reason but it's never your own fault. Thankfully, as someone who doesn't want to see Mayo win the All-Ireland, the "loons" are in the small minority in your county.

That's harsh. Since Horan took over, there is a definitely a culture in Mayo teams of only looking at one thing after a defeat .... the mirror. That culture has carried through with H&C and Rochford.
There will of course always be Mayo supporters who will whinge but even among that group, the culture has dramatically shifted too to looking in the mirror.

Possibly I am being harsh but I see some of the same mistakes being repeated over and over. I don't think I'm alone in this observation. Maybe the critical self analysis is being done by the inner circle but the solutions put in place are not working. And you really need to be harsh to get the job done.

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Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

The lack of size and physique is also a big problem in the Galway full-back line. They are all shortarses. You might get away with one of those back there but not all three of them. Sean Andy should be a big help in that regard next year. Although we could do with a strong corner-back as well.

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Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

The lack of size and physique is also a big problem in the Galway full-back line. They are all shortarses. You might get away with one of those back there but not all three of them. Sean Andy should be a big help in that regard next year. Although we could do with a strong corner-back as well.

Yer build up this Sean Andy lad but I've yet to see a lad fresh from underage perform exceptionally at FB. Even the most prodigious lads take a year or two of experience before they can do a solid and consistent job at that position.

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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 15, 2017, 02:37:36 PM

Quote from: galwayman on June 15, 2017, 11:55:52 AM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

The lack of size and physique is also a big problem in the Galway full-back line. They are all shortarses. You might get away with one of those back there but not all three of them. Sean Andy should be a big help in that regard next year. Although we could do with a strong corner-back as well.

Yer build up this Sean Andy lad but I've yet to see a lad fresh from underage perform exceptionally at FB. Even the most prodigious lads take a year or two of experience before they can do a solid and consistent job at that position.

Having seen him play a good bit I have no worries about him making it at all. Obviously he has to be given time but he has everything you want for that position. He'll be thrown in at the deep end in the league next year anyway.

And sure if he doesn't make it in the long run the minor captain Mulkerrins is as good a prospect at him. Maybe even better. Depends on how they both develop. Granted he'll need even more time.

Quote from: Syferus on June 15, 2017, 02:45:46 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 15, 2017, 02:37:36 PM

Quote from: galwayman on June 15, 2017, 11:55:52 AM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

The lack of size and physique is also a big problem in the Galway full-back line. They are all shortarses. You might get away with one of those back there but not all three of them. Sean Andy should be a big help in that regard next year. Although we could do with a strong corner-back as well.

Yer build up this Sean Andy lad but I've yet to see a lad fresh from underage perform exceptionally at FB. Even the most prodigious lads take a year or two of experience before they can do a solid and consistent job at that position.

I personally genuinely have not seen enough of him in the flesh to make any comment on his suitability for the job at senior level.
I didn't make it to all of the county u21 games this year unfortunately.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 15, 2017, 03:02:14 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 15, 2017, 02:45:46 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 15, 2017, 02:37:36 PM

Quote from: galwayman on June 15, 2017, 11:55:52 AM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

The lack of size and physique is also a big problem in the Galway full-back line. They are all shortarses. You might get away with one of those back there but not all three of them. Sean Andy should be a big help in that regard next year. Although we could do with a strong corner-back as well.

Yer build up this Sean Andy lad but I've yet to see a lad fresh from underage perform exceptionally at FB. Even the most prodigious lads take a year or two of experience before they can do a solid and consistent job at that position.

Having seen him play a good bit I have no worries about him making it at all. Obviously he has to be given time but he has everything you want for that position. He'll be thrown in at the deep end in the league next year anyway.

And sure if he doesn't make it in the long run the minor captain Mulkerrins is as good a prospect at him. Maybe even better. Depends on how they both develop. Granted he'll need even more time.

Mulkerrins looks a good prospect alright, is he too leggy to do a stint in the corner or elsewhere or is he a no. 3 out and out?

I'm pretty sure minor last year was the first time he'd played in the full back
line for the county.
He was midfield for the u16s in 2015 if I'm not mistaken.

Quote from: fearsiuil on June 16, 2017, 11:01:11 AM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 15, 2017, 03:02:14 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 15, 2017, 02:45:46 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 15, 2017, 02:37:36 PM

Quote from: galwayman on June 15, 2017, 11:55:52 AM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Watched the game again, Galway struggled in that opening 20 minutes when Mayo kicked the ball into Moran & COC; I was surprised at the amount of space although given the lack of pace from Moran & COC you'd have to think Kevin Walsh was comfortable with the situation as the tactic was to hold them up them up and wait for support but it didn't always work out like that. Kyne was very average, he made very few interceptions throughout the match. Sweeney played well, he certainly lacks pace but he made plenty of interceptions and had a habit of been in the right place at the right time on several occasions. Still that lack of pace in that full back line is a huge worry.

We were far too slow to react to Clarke's kickouts, Mayo got far too many short kickouts away throughout the match despite them not having an extra man back there. We were very slow to react on far too many occasions. RTE were busy showing replays on 3 or 4 occasions during the 1st half do don't know what happened on some of our own kickouts. We gifted Mayo a couple of points during the 2nd with been too slow working the ball out.

Brannigan has to start the next day, couldn't believe it when he didn't start and his second half performance showed why he should be starting. Comer had a great game although there's more to come from him, he kicked for scores from difficult angles when he could have got a lot closer to the points, Cafferkey didn't have the strength to stop but in fairness I don't think there's too many fullbacks who would.

This is why I'm not sure we have progressed since last year. We have a stronger squad in other areas for sure with guys like Mike Daly, Cillian McDaid, O Curraoin back etc.
But we haven't improved the full back line one iota. Now I know Cathal Sweeney wasn't involved last year really but in my opinion what happened last year against Tipp in terms of our fb line getting taken to the cleaners has the potential recur again this year if we get there. I don't see us as any stronger in that line.
It is the single biggest weakness in our team and is the very thing that could stop us progressing into the top tier of teams.

The lack of size and physique is also a big problem in the Galway full-back line. They are all shortarses. You might get away with one of those back there but not all three of them. Sean Andy should be a big help in that regard next year. Although we could do with a strong corner-back as well.

Yer build up this Sean Andy lad but I've yet to see a lad fresh from underage perform exceptionally at FB. Even the most prodigious lads take a year or two of experience before they can do a solid and consistent job at that position.

Having seen him play a good bit I have no worries about him making it at all. Obviously he has to be given time but he has everything you want for that position. He'll be thrown in at the deep end in the league next year anyway.

And sure if he doesn't make it in the long run the minor captain Mulkerrins is as good a prospect at him. Maybe even better. Depends on how they both develop. Granted he'll need even more time.

Mulkerrins looks a good prospect alright, is he too leggy to do a stint in the corner or elsewhere or is he a no. 3 out and out?

I'd say he's a bit too tall  for the corner. Has played some centre-back as well.