Gaelic Football RIP

Started by High Fielder, July 21, 2018, 06:37:09 PM

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BennyCake

Forget kickouts going past the 50, 6-2-6 formations etc. Seriously, 11 a side is the only answer.

The pitch is too small for 15 and players cover ground quickly. The game is too crowded and defensive. Just think of the up sides to 11 a side:

- nippy forwards will thrive
- bulked up players not as effective. Fit and lean players prioritised
- more kick passing as more chance of reaching a free man
- more room for kickouts
- blanket defence not as effective. Players will have to learn to tackle again and go man to man
- more scores as forwards have more room and teams will commit to attack
- less sideways and backwards play
- less fist passing

This will all come from one simple chance. Officials have enough to do without looking to see if 6-2-6 formations are in place or the ball crosses the 50. One change, less players.

tippabu

Quote from: BennyCake on August 15, 2018, 01:51:11 PM
Forget kickouts going past the 50, 6-2-6 formations etc. Seriously, 11 a side is the only answer.

The pitch is too small for 15 and players cover ground quickly. The game is too crowded and defensive. Just think of the up sides to 11 a side:

- nippy forwards will thrive
- bulked up players not as effective. Fit and lean players prioritised
- more kick passing as more chance of reaching a free man
- more room for kickouts
- blanket defence not as effective. Players will have to learn to tackle again and go man to man
- more scores as forwards have more room and teams will commit to attack
- less sideways and backwards play
- less fist passing

This will all come from one simple chance. Officials have enough to do without looking to see if 6-2-6 formations are in place or the ball crosses the 50. One change, less players.

I wouldn't go as far as 11 a side but the only sensible things I have heard possibly trialling have been 13 a side, especially at club level and being allowed pick the ball off the ground have been the two most reasonable I've heard

Jinxy

13-a-side would make life easier for a lot of rural clubs too.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

Rossfan

Why on earth allow a pick off the ground?
If it's because people can't do  the lift properly  sure allow clear throwing of the ball and bring back throw goals.
But one thing for sure is most football games are now horrible spectacles.  Partisan fans will go to see their own teams but neutrals have given up ( except for the ticketed Brigade at AIFs)
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Milltown Row2

Quote from: High Fielder on August 15, 2018, 12:57:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2018, 12:54:44 PM
Jesus lad leave it well alone, no matter what sort of rule change you make it will be analysed and dissected by the managers and tacticians and something will be put in place to gain an advantage..

Football is an evolving game, unlike hurling which in its truest form is 15 on 15 going at it once they cross the line... not too many teams that use the sweeper systems or 3 in midfield or any other tactic come away with the top prize
A team comes through every so often and Dublin is that team at the minute, the hat has to just come off and celebrate a decent side that is able to adopt and bring in young players to a system of play and keep it ticking over..
Counties should be looking at themselves and get their own house in order and improve their own before looking at changes which 'might' help them against Dublin

So every county should go semi professional?

If they are what they say they are on their profiles, then they must have very good employers to be allowed to only work half a week

Cluxton, teacher
Fitzsimons – entrepreneur
McMahon - company executive
Daly – health safety advisor
Lowndes- teacher
Cooper – student (very old student)
O'Sullivan -Tax consultant
Small- bank official
McCaffrey – doctor
Macauley- teacher
Fenton – physio
McCarthy – Bank rep
Schutte- accountant
Costello – teacher
Rock- leisure centre worker
McMahon- owns a food company
O'Gara – company Rep
Andrews – stockbroker dealer?
Flynn- commercial director
Brogan- accountant
Mannion – Management consultant
Kilkenny - student
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Stall the Bailer

The biggest problem at club level I feel is the commitment needed. This also true at county level to an extent. 13 aside would mean you would need to be very fit. No hiding in the corners. This would have the knock on effect of the fittest and fastest players been able to take advantage of the extra space. To get fitter you would need more commitment and as you age and slow up, the harder it would be. Making even more a young person's game.   

Gael85

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2018, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on August 15, 2018, 12:57:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2018, 12:54:44 PM
Jesus lad leave it well alone, no matter what sort of rule change you make it will be analysed and dissected by the managers and tacticians and something will be put in place to gain an advantage..

Football is an evolving game, unlike hurling which in its truest form is 15 on 15 going at it once they cross the line... not too many teams that use the sweeper systems or 3 in midfield or any other tactic come away with the top prize
A team comes through every so often and Dublin is that team at the minute, the hat has to just come off and celebrate a decent side that is able to adopt and bring in young players to a system of play and keep it ticking over..
Counties should be looking at themselves and get their own house in order and improve their own before looking at changes which 'might' help them against Dublin

So every county should go semi professional?

If they are what they say they are on their profiles, then they must have very good employers to be allowed to only work half a week

Cluxton, teacher
Fitzsimons – entrepreneur
McMahon - company executive
Daly – health safety advisor
Lowndes- teacher
Cooper – student (very old student)
O'Sullivan -Tax consultant
Small- bank official
McCaffrey – doctor
Macauley- teacher
Fenton – physio
McCarthy – Bank rep
Schutte- accountant
Costello – teacher
Rock- leisure centre worker
McMahon- owns a food company
O'Gara – company Rep
Andrews – stockbroker dealer?
Flynn- commercial director
Brogan- accountant
Mannion – Management consultant
Kilkenny - student

Kilkenny is teacher.
Cooper work in admin role in DCU
Fitzsimons is a physio though think we went back to college to study science
McManamon-owns his own business

Bar students all Dublin players work full time. All based in Dublin.

High Fielder

"work". come on lads. I think it's well enough known that they have soft enough jobs. Certainly in a much better position than lads elsewhere. It's not a criticism by the way, but along with the free Subaru and other enticements, they're in a good place

From the Bunker

The GAA no longer put a players occupation in Programs, A lot of this has to do with many players having makey-up jobs. Anyway for ''Amateur'' players it a bit of invasion of privacy.

Gael85

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Quote from: High Fielder on August 15, 2018, 02:58:37 PM
"work". come on lads. I think it's well enough known that they have soft enough jobs. Certainly in a much better position than lads elsewhere. It's not a criticism by the way, but along with the free Subaru and other enticements, they're in a good place

Is it now? Maybe for students might have a handy part time job but rest of the Dublin team work. There is quite a few teachers so they will have the summers off.

High Fielder

As I said, it's not a criticism, but football is the main thing in their life. The jobs they do facilitate that and good luck to them. They are semi professional and in some cases fully professional. That's a massive advantage

Gael85

Quote from: High Fielder on August 15, 2018, 03:19:17 PM
As I said, it's not a criticism, but football is the main thing in their life. The jobs they do facilitate that and good luck to them. They are semi professional and in some cases fully professional. That's a massive advantage

That just a myth. That not going to pay the bills. Obviously employers will facilitate players around match days but same goes any intercounty player from the top teams. Dublin have advantages in that all players work and live in Dublin which easier for training schedules.

Rossfan

Having a free car makes paying other bills easier😉.
Also helps not being traipsed across country  cramped in a bus 2 or 3 times a week for training.
AIG v Bush Hotel or Glennon Bros.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

High Fielder

So the free car is a myth? The advertising and sponsorship is a myth? Come on. If Lee Chin can go semi pro in Wexford, I'd imagine the Dublin lads are well able to do so

Gael85

Quote from: High Fielder on August 15, 2018, 03:30:35 PM
So the free car is a myth? The advertising and sponsorship is a myth? Come on. If Lee Chin can go semi pro in Wexford, I'd imagine the Dublin lads are well able to do so

The cars is not a myth. I don't know what that to do with players employment though? Lee Chin,Kieran Donaghy,Darran O'Sullivan,Eamon O'Hara and Karl Lacey have given jobs at different stages job but that viable for a year or two. That nothing to do with Dublin. Dublin players are all based     in their own county so why would they need to give up their job?