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[naka]

I get the calls for lockdown which  are sensible and proportionate in the circumstances
But when we come out of this it will be economic Armageddon unless governments step in with more than loans .
My business  which I built over 27 years will struggle unless people take unpaid leave etc with 4/6weeks lockdown( 52 well paying jobs) will go because we still have to pay vat/ paye etc
Carnage is coming .
Really strange times.
As a project in a few years it will be interesting for social historians to view the spike in suicides in the aftermath as against the virus deaths.( economic failure has a correlation with mental health and suicide)

[Taylor]

I get the calls for lockdown which  are sensible and proportionate in the circumstances
But when we come out of this it will be economic Armageddon unless governments step in with more than loans .
My business  which I built over 27 years will struggle unless people take unpaid leave etc with 4/6weeks lockdown( 52 well paying jobs) will go because we still have to pay vat/ paye etc
Carnage is coming .
Really strange times.
As a project in a few years it will be interesting for social historians to view the spike in cup idea in the aftermath as against the virus deaths.

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[larryin89]

Work colleague just showed me videos of looting in London , genuinely wish they would actually spray these type of people with live rounds .

[macdanger2]

Once the job crisis hits in the next few days it will cause a huge ripple effect across families, once the pressures start hitting everyone  then the cracks will appear.

The panic will be crazy. The GB government all talk about timing and ensuring that they have a handle on it. No country will or has in Europe until they lock down properly, when will the south do that? If they do the North needs to follow.

If you saw the TV this evening, they will wait until next weekend and see what the trend is, 15 days after the extra measures were introduced. If needed then you could have a serious lockdown, or if the line has flattened they'll just tweak the arrangements.

I think there should be increased restrictions now and see how the numbers look in a week. If the curve has started to flatten sufficiently, remove the increased restrictions; if not then at least you're a week ahead with implementing the increased restrictions

[seafoid]

Pakistan is 'too poor' to impose lockdown, according to their PM
Pakistan's prime minister, the former cricketer Imran Khan, has urged the nation not to panic, but said it is too poor to impose a Europe-style lockdown.
Around a quarter of the population live in poverty and few have sick pay, while the country is already struggling through an acute economic crisis.
"The nation must not panic. Your government is closely monitoring the [coronavirus] situation", Mr Khan told the country.
He went on: "They [US, Italy, and England] have reacted differently to the virus. But our conditions are different. We cannot afford the same response as European countries," he said.
"Our economic situation is very fragile. We cannot lock down the country like these countries," he went on to say, adding: "If we lock down our cities, what will happen to the poor? Here, the people will die of hunger."

[seafoid]

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1240694413761712128?s=21

Average age of the deceased is 80 in Italy, is that correct?

It would be.

[Milltown Row2]

I get the calls for lockdown which  are sensible and proportionate in the circumstances
But when we come out of this it will be economic Armageddon unless governments step in with more than loans .
My business  which I built over 27 years will struggle unless people take unpaid leave etc with 4/6weeks lockdown( 52 well paying jobs) will go because we still have to pay vat/ paye etc
Carnage is coming .
Really strange times.
As a project in a few years it will be interesting for social historians to view the spike in suicides in the aftermath as against the virus deaths.( economic failure has a correlation with mental health and suicide)

Yeah I can see what you're saying, the government were saying it will take 4 years to recover from the economic crash with 1,000's of businesses (and whatever staff) going to the wall and unable to start up again.

If this doesn't re focus the minds and change behaviour or practices then we are doomed, if countries like China, who have poor veterinary checks at these markets don't get in line with safe practices, then these virus's will continue to make the jump from animals to humans, and spare me the starving kids in china don't care, the carnage that will happen in all the other countries will lead to a lot more starvation cases around the world

[HiMucker]

Once the job crisis hits in the next few days it will cause a huge ripple effect across families, once the pressures start hitting everyone  then the cracks will appear.

The panic will be crazy. The GB government all talk about timing and ensuring that they have a handle on it. No country will or has in Europe until they lock down properly, when will the south do that? If they do the North needs to follow.

If you saw the TV this evening, they will wait until next weekend and see what the trend is, 15 days after the extra measures were introduced. If needed then you could have a serious lockdown, or if the line has flattened they'll just tweak the arrangements.

I think there should be increased restrictions now and see how the numbers look in a week. If the curve has started to flatten sufficiently, remove the increased restrictions; if not then at least you're a week ahead with implementing the increased restrictions

You wouldn't see the benefit of the restrictions for at least 2 weeks in terms of number of cases, and you won't see the benefit until around 3 weeks in terms of  number of deaths. We are at the point of full lockdown now.

[seafoid]

https://twitter.com/rte_primetime/status/1240767106955821059?s=21
Anybody in any doubt at this stage of the gravity of what we are facing just watch this. It is unbelievable what the UK are at. Ireland who have been very proactive still should go for a full lock down as quickly as possible. Same goes for the UK who are in a worse position and about a week behind the actions of Ireland. Its going to be a grim few weeks until we notice the benefits of the mass self isolation.

https://twitter.com/rte_primetime/status/1240767106955821059?s=21

What is shocking about the virus is how it overwhelms hospitals. Eg The UK estimates it has one eighth of the ICU capacity required.

[ardtole]

Work colleague just showed me videos of looting in London , genuinely wish they would actually spray these type of people with live rounds .

I think that video is from the London riots a few years ago, it would be all over social media if it happened yesterday. Saw the same video yesterday.

[JoG2]

Once the job crisis hits in the next few days it will cause a huge ripple effect across families, once the pressures start hitting everyone  then the cracks will appear.

The panic will be crazy. The GB government all talk about timing and ensuring that they have a handle on it. No country will or has in Europe until they lock down properly, when will the south do that? If they do the North needs to follow.

The vast majority of people are now aware of what we need to do. Should we not as a collective be a bit more sensible with the rhetoric we use though.

[seafoid]

Once the job crisis hits in the next few days it will cause a huge ripple effect across families, once the pressures start hitting everyone  then the cracks will appear.

The panic will be crazy. The GB government all talk about timing and ensuring that they have a handle on it. No country will or has in Europe until they lock down properly, when will the south do that? If they do the North needs to follow.

Don't panic!

No government can tell people to stay inside and leave them without money.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/19/chancellor-unveil-wage-bailout-help-millions-coronavirus-cris/
The government will offer unprecedented support for millions of workers to help Britons hit by the coronavirus crisis under radical plans to be unveiled by the Chancellor on Friday.

Two measures under discussion include subsidising wages by freezing income tax payments during the crisis and giving National Insurance tax breaks.

Rishi Sunak, putting the finishing touches to the package, has also been in discussions about paying workers a weekly subsidy in what would be the biggest intervention by the British state in the economy since the Second World War.

[APM]

You could put up with all the stuff but not having a proper funeral is a terrible situation.

Do you think funerals are done right here? I think they should be restricted to family and very close friends. At least the nonsense of sitting around for hours shaking hands with loads of people you don't know or rarely talk too and worse of all politicians showing up saying they are sorry for your loss is cut out now.

Fair enough if that's what you want. Are you going to tell everyone else what to do? Wouldn't be fussed on the politicians coming.

[Milltown Row2]

Once the job crisis hits in the next few days it will cause a huge ripple effect across families, once the pressures start hitting everyone  then the cracks will appear.

The panic will be crazy. The GB government all talk about timing and ensuring that they have a handle on it. No country will or has in Europe until they lock down properly, when will the south do that? If they do the North needs to follow.

The vast majority of people are now aware of what we need to do. Should we not as a collective be a bit more sensible with the rhetoric we use though.

I'm in my place of work in Belfast watching people go about their day, things not overly busy for a Friday but no fear or worried conversations, I'm in a very controlled environment using best  practices based on information from our head office in Dublin, no one is really going to change unless the government steps in and forcefully orders it! People are still passing it on. I haven't asked anyone to be  shot, yet

[seafoid]

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The first analysis of Ireland's Covid-19 cases provides an interesting, somewhat encouraging, but ultimately incomplete picture of how we are faring in the fight against the disease.

These are early days to be crunching the numbers on cases, just three weeks after the first one occurred, it has to be stressed.

Yet the breakdown of cases by area, age and to some extent severity, provided by the National Public Health Emergency Team on Wednesday evening, offers some straws in the wind.

The number of cases recorded each day have been creeping up and, we have been warned, is set to surge over the coming weeks; 1,300 by the weekend and 15,000 by the end of the month, it has been predicted.

It will be tempting to rate our performance against these forecasts, but there is little point in doing this. This is because the more tests we carry out – and more testing is a good thing – the more Covid-19 we will find.

The UK, for example, lags behind Ireland and other European countries in the number of cases it has recorded simply because it is testing less; generally, patients are tested there only if they end up being hospitalised.

The analysis by the emergency team of the first 271 cases in the Republic show that almost one-third of people were hospitalised. Again, this tells us little, because in the early stages everyone who tested positive was being hospitalised, even if their symptoms were mild. We can expect this hospitalisation rate to roughly halve over time if the experiences of other countries is replicated.

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It is encouraging that just six patients, or 2 per cent, have required intensive care so far. Translating this figure on to the forecast of 15,000 cases would mean a requirement for 750 intensive care beds by the end of the month.
 
At the start of this year, Ireland had about 250 such beds; we have about double this number by now as a result of measures taken to tackle the pandemic. That still leaves a shortfall, but not one that couldn't be bridged with some more supplies and imaginative thinking – and more staff.

However, things play out differently in the middle of a pandemic-induced surge of cases, relative to our current "calm before the storm" period. Patient outcomes worsen as multiple cases arrive together and staff get infected or have to self-isolate.