Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Armagh18]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

Unlike you seaf, Max doesn't provide a link to support his quotes re the doctors, so I have no idea if they are real or not.  But he works for the Grayzone, which receives significant funding from China and Russia, and has regular anti-Ukraine, anti-Taiwan, anti-Hong Kong pieces. So I'd say you could find more reliable sources.

so post this after posting about british intelligence without any qualification.

here might be a better source,

https://twitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1721076636047507677?t=xfeGeZq4A_aW64bEny4JNQ&s=19

Ah php, your posts are usually reasonable but that's a great example of false equivalence!
Everyone here knows Dunphy, most know Johns. Starmer confirmed he was briefed by British Intelligence, didn't give any specifics. So on this discussion board I'm just putting it out there that it might be a reason for Starmer's position, which is a surprise to many. Whether people here want to believe British Intelligence is an entirely different matter! 

I see you agree that there are better sources than Grayzone, cheers

Talk about an oxymoron.

Sure them boys wouldn't lie would they?

[Hound]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

Unlike you seaf, Max doesn't provide a link to support his quotes re the doctors, so I have no idea if they are real or not.  But he works for the Grayzone, which receives significant funding from China and Russia, and has regular anti-Ukraine, anti-Taiwan, anti-Hong Kong pieces. So I'd say you could find more reliable sources.

so post this after posting about british intelligence without any qualification.

here might be a better source,

https://twitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1721076636047507677?t=xfeGeZq4A_aW64bEny4JNQ&s=19

Ah php, your posts are usually reasonable but that's a great example of false equivalence!
Everyone here knows Dunphy, most know Johns. Starmer confirmed he was briefed by British Intelligence, didn't give any specifics. So on this discussion board I'm just putting it out there that it might be a reason for Starmer's position, which is a surprise to many. Whether people here want to believe British Intelligence is an entirely different matter! 

I see you agree that there are better sources than Grayzone, cheers

Talk about an oxymoron.

Sure them boys wouldn't lie would they?

Like Hamas, IDF, CIA, even Joe Brolly  , they don't lie all the time, but when it suits them they have no fear of it.

Obviously we have no idea what they told Starmer and what, if any, evidence they showed him.
Now that 10 or 12 Labour councillors have resigned over Starmer's position, it'll be interesting to see if he holds firm, or gives more of an explanation as to why, or if he changes tack.

[seafoid]

Starmer is a liar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv7sZoQkkns

[seafoid]

Do you believe that Israel's actions are solely to get at Hamas? Genuinely? I'd be more concerned by that level of gullibility tbh.

No, I do not believe that. But they still fall short of the depravity of Hamas all the same.

I'd find your view extremely concerning. What has Hamas done that is a higher level of depravity than bombing hospitals, indiscriminate killing of men, women and children, cutting power and water to thousands of innocent people, forcing the residents of Gaza to fled from their homes.

It is not indiscriminate killing, it is targeted killing.
Hamas killing was truly indiscriminate.
All of this is obvious, and none of it is a reason not to oppose to Israeli violence, but it absolutely is a reason not to declare the Hamas atrocity as not that bad.

Read on, he's only getting warmed up by the looks of it

I note that you did not refute my point, only express surprise that I made it.

Targeted at hospitals and civilians. Do you understand the word indiscriminate? They aren't treating the innocent any different than Hamas fighters.
Anyway, it's late. I think you're morale compass is seriously f**ked up so happy to leave it there. 
[/quote]Bombing hospitals is a war crime and is not targeted.

[Armagh18]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

Unlike you seaf, Max doesn't provide a link to support his quotes re the doctors, so I have no idea if they are real or not.  But he works for the Grayzone, which receives significant funding from China and Russia, and has regular anti-Ukraine, anti-Taiwan, anti-Hong Kong pieces. So I'd say you could find more reliable sources.

so post this after posting about british intelligence without any qualification.

here might be a better source,

https://twitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1721076636047507677?t=xfeGeZq4A_aW64bEny4JNQ&s=19

Ah php, your posts are usually reasonable but that's a great example of false equivalence!
Everyone here knows Dunphy, most know Johns. Starmer confirmed he was briefed by British Intelligence, didn't give any specifics. So on this discussion board I'm just putting it out there that it might be a reason for Starmer's position, which is a surprise to many. Whether people here want to believe British Intelligence is an entirely different matter! 

I see you agree that there are better sources than Grayzone, cheers

Talk about an oxymoron.

Sure them boys wouldn't lie would they?

Like Hamas, IDF, CIA, even Joe Brolly  , they don't lie all the time, but when it suits them they have no fear of it.

Obviously we have no idea what they told Starmer and what, if any, evidence they showed him.
Now that 10 or 12 Labour councillors have resigned over Starmer's position, it'll be interesting to see if he holds firm, or gives more of an explanation as to why, or if he changes tack.

The end up will be the fecking Tories get back in.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

Unlike you seaf, Max doesn't provide a link to support his quotes re the doctors, so I have no idea if they are real or not.  But he works for the Grayzone, which receives significant funding from China and Russia, and has regular anti-Ukraine, anti-Taiwan, anti-Hong Kong pieces. So I'd say you could find more reliable sources.

so post this after posting about british intelligence without any qualification.

here might be a better source,

https://twitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1721076636047507677?t=xfeGeZq4A_aW64bEny4JNQ&s=19

Ah php, your posts are usually reasonable but that's a great example of false equivalence!
Everyone here knows Dunphy, most know Johns. Starmer confirmed he was briefed by British Intelligence, didn't give any specifics. So on this discussion board I'm just putting it out there that it might be a reason for Starmer's position, which is a surprise to many. Whether people here want to believe British Intelligence is an entirely different matter! 

I see you agree that there are better sources than Grayzone, cheers

firstly, i shouldn't have said better source. I took your bias into account and provided an alternative. the source is the 100 doctors and 50 rabbis, not the link I posted or max, they are just reporting it.

Media is bias. we all have some level of it. You took time to warn the board about Max and his influences and did not see the need to do for the British Intelligence.

The information itself makes no sense to me only to add confusion and distract away from a genocide taking place.

[LeoMc]

I don't think Hound was making any claims based on what British Intelligence said or did not say, only that Starmer may have been influenced by what he was told by them.

If Starmer takes a strong line on condemning Israel whilst giving Hamas a by-ball and any sort of Islamic attack occurs anywhere in Europe the right wing press will rip him to shreds with claims that he supports whatever event occurred.

[Armagh18]

I know, we should let the Israelis bomb the shite out of the innocent civilians on the off chance some Islamic group tries something in Europe. That'll show them

[seafoid]

I know, we should let the Israelis bomb the shite out of the innocent civilians on the off chance some Islamic group tries something in Europe. That'll show them

Israel has already murdered 4000 children.

Nobody in the Middle East buys the line that Hamas = Terrorists.

The Lebanese border has just kicked off. 2 lebanese kids and their mother were killed by Israel yesterday.

Zionism has probably peaked.

[Armagh18]

Is there any chance of this properly escalating to a world scale? Iran/Russia making moves against Israel and the wankers in the west defending them?

[AustinPowers]

Is it just me or is this Israeli bombing  these supposed  tunnels smell  exactly like  the US bombing the crap out of  mountains in Afghanistan,  because that's where Bin Laden was hiding, in a  Dr Evil-style hollowed out lair?

Ach sure, if we happen to kill 5,000 Palestinians  at  the same time , sure as long as  we got the tunnel

I honestly think it's  at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.  There will be nothing left.  If Palestinians can leave,  they should.  Palestinians will be scattered to the four winds , and Israel will take over  what's left. There will be nothing for Palestinians  to come back to.  As sad as it is , leave the warmongering b******s to it , and rest of  the world  shun anything to do with Israel.

[tiempo]

Is it just me or is this Israeli bombing  these supposed  tunnels smell  exactly like  the US bombing the crap out of  mountains in Afghanistan,  because that's where Bin Laden was hiding, in a  Dr Evil-style hollowed out lair?

Ach sure, if we happen to kill 5,000 Palestinians  at  the same time , sure as long as  we got the tunnel

I honestly think it's  at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.  There will be nothing left.  If Palestinians can leave,  they should.  Palestinians will be scattered to the four winds , and Israel will take over  what's left. There will be nothing for Palestinians  to come back to.  As sad as it is , leave the warmongering b******s to it , and rest of  the world  shun anything to do with Israel.

100% this is what Netanyahu always wanted, his name up in lights as a strong man with a death count which means his name will be etched in history, good bad or indifferent he doesn't give a f**k. This has also been cynically timed in proximity to the American election cycle to render POTUS impotent, its the culmination of a lifetimes work for the sc**bag. Its also the culmination of 50+ years of American tolerance and enabling of Zionism, but who'd be surprised at that, sure didn't the US recruit high ranking Nazis after WWII.

End of the day this is a shit show and not beyond the realms of possibility that one or more press the big red nuclear button, certainly expect Netanyahu and Putin would have an erection for it, and others too. Nuclear deterrent my ass, you build a stockpile and there's men who dream of using it.

Shame on all the cowards over the years who got it to this point, the Zionists have it fairly stitched up at this point, the level of political cover for genocide is lunacy, they played the long game and won by the looks of it

[Wildweasel74]

But again why is there so much Jewish pull in America, where Irish pull(though split between Dem/Rep, has never had a overly great influence with Ireland, giving the massive % of people with Irish background.

[bennydorano]

Is it just me or is this Israeli bombing  these supposed  tunnels smell  exactly like  the US bombing the crap out of  mountains in Afghanistan,  because that's where Bin Laden was hiding, in a  Dr Evil-style hollowed out lair?

Ach sure, if we happen to kill 5,000 Palestinians  at  the same time , sure as long as  we got the tunnel

I honestly think it's  at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.  There will be nothing left.  If Palestinians can leave,  they should.  Palestinians will be scattered to the four winds , and Israel will take over  what's left. There will be nothing for Palestinians  to come back to.  As sad as it is , leave the warmongering b******s to it , and rest of  the world  shun anything to do with Israel.

100% this is what Netanyahu always wanted, his name up in lights as a strong man with a death count which means his name will be etched in history, good bad or indifferent he doesn't give a f**k. This has also been cynically timed in proximity to the American election cycle to render POTUS impotent, its the culmination of a lifetimes work for the sc**bag. Its also the culmination of 50+ years of American tolerance and enabling of Zionism, but who'd be surprised at that, sure didn't the US recruit high ranking Nazis after WWII.

End of the day this is a shit show and not beyond the realms of possibility that one or more press the big red nuclear button, certainly expect Netanyahu and Putin would have an erection for it, and others too. Nuclear deterrent my ass, you build a stockpile and there's men who dream of using it.

Shame on all the cowards over the years who got it to this point, the Zionists have it fairly stitched up at this point, the level of political cover for genocide is lunacy, they played the long game and won by the looks of it

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

[trueblue1234]

Is it just me or is this Israeli bombing  these supposed  tunnels smell  exactly like  the US bombing the crap out of  mountains in Afghanistan,  because that's where Bin Laden was hiding, in a  Dr Evil-style hollowed out lair?

Ach sure, if we happen to kill 5,000 Palestinians  at  the same time , sure as long as  we got the tunnel

I honestly think it's  at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.  There will be nothing left.  If Palestinians can leave,  they should.  Palestinians will be scattered to the four winds , and Israel will take over  what's left. There will be nothing for Palestinians  to come back to.  As sad as it is , leave the warmongering b******s to it , and rest of  the world  shun anything to do with Israel.

100% this is what Netanyahu always wanted, his name up in lights as a strong man with a death count which means his name will be etched in history, good bad or indifferent he doesn't give a f**k. This has also been cynically timed in proximity to the American election cycle to render POTUS impotent, its the culmination of a lifetimes work for the sc**bag. Its also the culmination of 50+ years of American tolerance and enabling of Zionism, but who'd be surprised at that, sure didn't the US recruit high ranking Nazis after WWII.

End of the day this is a shit show and not beyond the realms of possibility that one or more press the big red nuclear button, certainly expect Netanyahu and Putin would have an erection for it, and others too. Nuclear deterrent my ass, you build a stockpile and there's men who dream of using it.

Shame on all the cowards over the years who got it to this point, the Zionists have it fairly stitched up at this point, the level of political cover for genocide is lunacy, they played the long game and won by the looks of it

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

Let's not ignore what happened prior to 7th Oct. That is a view being pushed. Should Hamas' actions on 7th be justified by what has gone before? Did Isreal push and push for decades to get this reaction from Hamas to justify their current actions. In which case we are were we are due to Isreal's years of provocation of Palestine.
Regardless, there is no justification for Isreal's current actions in my eyes. And they should not be given justification due to the horrendous actions of Oct 7th.