26 County General Election 2020

Started by Snapchap, January 09, 2020, 06:52:51 PM

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What will be makeup of the next government?

FF/SD/Lab/Green
FG/SD/Lab/Green
FG/FF
FF/Green
FG/Independents
FG/Independents
FG/Green
FF/SF
FF/Green/Independents
FF Minority
FG Minority
FG/SF
FF/Lab/Green
FF/Lab
FF/Lab/Green/Independents

five points

Quote from: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 09:37:30 AM
The bottom line is cases like Paul Quinn and other cases linked to the IRA, as barbaric as some of them have been, one side of these stories is only heard.

Ok, let's hear what the perpetrators have to say for themselves. The floor is open...

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2020, 09:01:58 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 08:53:30 AM
SF will source some unknown card candidates(if they are not on hols). They would be returned with a bigger majority. The smaller parties would be wiped out as there is no such thing as a coalition of the left. The transfer advice was designed to keep FF/FG out not get lefties in. SF ARE NOT A LEFT WING PARTY.
FF can be left wing or right wing depending on the mojo of the people.
SF  would be similar if they are serious.
The name of the game is power.
The South is a normal country. There is no need for D'Hondt. There is just power.

Agreed

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2020, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 12, 2020, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 12, 2020, 06:32:26 PM
But they will still be ministers. All continue in their caretaker role, including Leo as caretaker Taoiseach, until a new government is formed. Technically he could be Taoiseach for many months including as Hound said the visit to the White House on St. Paddy's Day. Indeed, if there is a new election later if no gov can be formed, he could go to the country slightly more popular than he was in February and come back with the most number of seats. Stranger things have happened.

Another election could see both FF and FG pick up seats.
They would have refined their manifestos and would have a right go at SF's fairytale.

See that is pure rubbish! Have a right go? what do you think they did in this election. They got every media outlet in the country to attack SF, they dragged up a 13 year old murder case and manipulated a grieving mother to further their goals. And they still failed and if SF ran in an election tomorrow they could take another 6 or 7 seats. You clearly have a hatred of SF, that's fair enough, but you are talking total garbage there - the kitchen sink was already thrown at SF and it failed and done nothing but drive people towards them.

Breege Quinn raised the story, still no apology

Breege Quinn has raised the story for 13 years, it got on front pages and into debates last week! If you think that is some sort of accident then there is nothing I can do for you.

Out of the 3 parties involved in this we have SF,FF,FG

FF/FG jumped on the bandwagon for political gain-crass and shallow

SF created a lie/slur about the family and defended it. They also clearly could have done more at the time to bring killers to justice.

Both bad, but you know which is worse

mouview

Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 09:26:14 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 13, 2020, 09:04:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2020, 08:33:10 AM
They'd  also be blamed by many for not being adult enough to do a deal to form a Government.

We've disagreed plenty but I think you've nailed it there. That's FF/FG's plan. The numbers don't add up but they'll still be believed by many when they spout this line.

No one wants an election though so I hope they act like adults and get on with it in the end.

The people are fed up with FF and FG, they will not listen to such nonsense from them even if they get RTE and Indo etc to shout it out. People are seeing through this propaganda from the establishment. A 2nd election will be very bad for FF and FG but especially FF.

Hope 'the people' are quick enough to see through SF propaganda and their voodoo economics or the Monster Raving Green Loony Party who seemingly want to return us to Year Zero.

Wasn't there a woman on Joe Duffy the other day who said as much, she had no interest in any of the political parties, but will vote next time for SF. When asked, she said she hadn't voted in 15 years. What right does she have to talk about anything to do with the governance of this country when she won't partake in the process?

I'm fed up with people being fed up with politics. Have we become such a cossetted snowflake population that we expect to have everything handed to us on a plate? No political party or coalition can deliver us the kind of social utopia that some think we are entitled to. I wish as a nation everyone would take a little bit more responsibility for their well-being and progress and not to be hanging all personal ills on the state. Have we become an 'over-woke' generation, too sensitive to every transient flavour-of-the-month issue?

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: five points on February 13, 2020, 09:58:05 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 09:37:30 AM
The bottom line is cases like Paul Quinn and other cases linked to the IRA, as barbaric as some of them have been, one side of these stories is only heard.

Ok, let's hear what the perpetrators have to say for themselves. The floor is open...

Yeah, id love to hear it too.  ffs-trying to justify any murder with "one side of the story comments"

Angelo

Quote from: five points on February 13, 2020, 09:58:05 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 09:37:30 AM
The bottom line is cases like Paul Quinn and other cases linked to the IRA, as barbaric as some of them have been, one side of these stories is only heard.

Ok, let's hear what the perpetrators have to say for themselves. The floor is open...

Not the perpetrators.

It's ill to speak of the dead but there's plenty of people around Cullyhanna and its environs who would have lived in fear because of guys like Paul Quinn and his gang.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Angelo

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 10:22:32 AM
Quote from: five points on February 13, 2020, 09:58:05 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 09:37:30 AM
The bottom line is cases like Paul Quinn and other cases linked to the IRA, as barbaric as some of them have been, one side of these stories is only heard.

Ok, let's hear what the perpetrators have to say for themselves. The floor is open...

Yeah, id love to hear it too.  ffs-trying to justify any murder with "one side of the story comments"

Because it is one side of the story.

Is there ever focus of the victim himself and what he was up to? Do you really believe that punching a lad in a bar was the sole reason for such a savage death? Doesn't justify it but it does add context and balance to something that has been simplified and distorted.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

five points

Quote from: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 10:26:24 AM

Not the perpetrators.

It's ill to speak of the dead but there's plenty of people around Cullyhanna and its environs who would have lived in fear because of guys like Paul Quinn and his gang.

If the perpetrators have a good excuse, let's hear them. Better from the organ grinder than the monkey.

Angelo

Quote from: five points on February 13, 2020, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 10:26:24 AM

Not the perpetrators.

It's ill to speak of the dead but there's plenty of people around Cullyhanna and its environs who would have lived in fear because of guys like Paul Quinn and his gang.

If the perpetrators have a good excuse, let's hear them. Better from the organ grinder than the monkey.

The stories I heard at the time included assaults, burglary, arson and car jackings.

There was one I heard of a serious assault on a taxi driver who tried to intervene when a girl was being attacked by a female in the company of Quinn and his gang. He got a bad doing and was further subjected to a campaign of intimidation by that group.

The bottom line is that when you play with fire you get burned.

I don't condone what happened to Paul Quinn, I don't know for sure the motives behind it - none of us do - but there is plenty to suggest out there that the story being ran with by the media is half a story.

The reporting of the case at the time it happened largely fed to a feud between rival criminal gangs and the stories I've heard about Quinn would tend to paint him as wild young man who didn't really care about the consequences of his actions.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Itchy

Quote from: mouview on February 13, 2020, 10:18:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 09:26:14 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 13, 2020, 09:04:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2020, 08:33:10 AM
They'd  also be blamed by many for not being adult enough to do a deal to form a Government.

We've disagreed plenty but I think you've nailed it there. That's FF/FG's plan. The numbers don't add up but they'll still be believed by many when they spout this line.

No one wants an election though so I hope they act like adults and get on with it in the end.

The people are fed up with FF and FG, they will not listen to such nonsense from them even if they get RTE and Indo etc to shout it out. People are seeing through this propaganda from the establishment. A 2nd election will be very bad for FF and FG but especially FF.

Hope 'the people' are quick enough to see through SF propaganda and their voodoo economics or the Monster Raving Green Loony Party who seemingly want to return us to Year Zero.

Wasn't there a woman on Joe Duffy the other day who said as much, she had no interest in any of the political parties, but will vote next time for SF. When asked, she said she hadn't voted in 15 years. What right does she have to talk about anything to do with the governance of this country when she won't partake in the process?

I'm fed up with people being fed up with politics. Have we become such a cossetted snowflake population that we expect to have everything handed to us on a plate? No political party or coalition can deliver us the kind of social utopia that some think we are entitled to. I wish as a nation everyone would take a little bit more responsibility for their well-being and progress and not to be hanging all personal ills on the state. Have we become an 'over-woke' generation, too sensitive to every transient flavour-of-the-month issue?

Ah the woman on Joe Duffy, thats what we call an outlier in statistics because if you have crazies running around thats where they end up getting a platform.

Snapchap

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2020, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 12, 2020, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 12, 2020, 06:32:26 PM
But they will still be ministers. All continue in their caretaker role, including Leo as caretaker Taoiseach, until a new government is formed. Technically he could be Taoiseach for many months including as Hound said the visit to the White House on St. Paddy's Day. Indeed, if there is a new election later if no gov can be formed, he could go to the country slightly more popular than he was in February and come back with the most number of seats. Stranger things have happened.

Another election could see both FF and FG pick up seats.
They would have refined their manifestos and would have a right go at SF's fairytale.

See that is pure rubbish! Have a right go? what do you think they did in this election. They got every media outlet in the country to attack SF, they dragged up a 13 year old murder case and manipulated a grieving mother to further their goals. And they still failed and if SF ran in an election tomorrow they could take another 6 or 7 seats. You clearly have a hatred of SF, that's fair enough, but you are talking total garbage there - the kitchen sink was already thrown at SF and it failed and done nothing but drive people towards them.

Breege Quinn raised the story, still no apology

Breege Quinn has raised the story for 13 years, it got on front pages and into debates last week! If you think that is some sort of accident then there is nothing I can do for you.

Out of the 3 parties involved in this we have SF,FF,FG

FF/FG jumped on the bandwagon for political gain-crass and shallow

SF created a lie/slur about the family and defended it. They also clearly could have done more at the time to bring killers to justice.

Both bad, but you know which is worse

1. Cop yourself on. Breege Quinn has been campaigning for 13 years. Only last month did FG/FF/RTE etc show an interest in her.
2. SF didn't 'create' what you are calling a "lie/slur". Conor Murphy only said what was in the intelligence reports, including what was published by the Independent Monitoring Commission.

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Snapchap on February 13, 2020, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2020, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 12, 2020, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 12, 2020, 06:32:26 PM
But they will still be ministers. All continue in their caretaker role, including Leo as caretaker Taoiseach, until a new government is formed. Technically he could be Taoiseach for many months including as Hound said the visit to the White House on St. Paddy's Day. Indeed, if there is a new election later if no gov can be formed, he could go to the country slightly more popular than he was in February and come back with the most number of seats. Stranger things have happened.

Another election could see both FF and FG pick up seats.
They would have refined their manifestos and would have a right go at SF's fairytale.

See that is pure rubbish! Have a right go? what do you think they did in this election. They got every media outlet in the country to attack SF, they dragged up a 13 year old murder case and manipulated a grieving mother to further their goals. And they still failed and if SF ran in an election tomorrow they could take another 6 or 7 seats. You clearly have a hatred of SF, that's fair enough, but you are talking total garbage there - the kitchen sink was already thrown at SF and it failed and done nothing but drive people towards them.

Breege Quinn raised the story, still no apology

Breege Quinn has raised the story for 13 years, it got on front pages and into debates last week! If you think that is some sort of accident then there is nothing I can do for you.

Out of the 3 parties involved in this we have SF,FF,FG

FF/FG jumped on the bandwagon for political gain-crass and shallow

SF created a lie/slur about the family and defended it. They also clearly could have done more at the time to bring killers to justice.

Both bad, but you know which is worse

1. Cop yourself on. Breege Quinn has been campaigning for 13 years. Only last month did FG/FF/RTE etc show an interest in her.
2. SF didn't 'create' what you are calling a "lie/slur". Conor Murphy only said what was in the intelligence reports, including what was published by the Independent Monitoring Commission.

You must have misread what I wrote. I said FF/FG have jumped on story, but RTE in fact have been reporting on this for years(albeit with less intensity)
Of course SF created the slur-where have you been?
To make matters worse they never withdrew it despite many calls from Quinns!  And low and behold once an election comes along, Murphy gives a half hearted retraction-Now how is that any different in terms of political gamemanship  than what we seen from other parties.

And anyhow why jesus christ oh why would Murphy stand up and excuse a murder in the first place just because he might have been a smuggler or whatever. You really need to look at yourself lad. Shameful.

What kind of country do we want to live in?

Angelo

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on February 13, 2020, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2020, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 12, 2020, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 12, 2020, 06:32:26 PM
But they will still be ministers. All continue in their caretaker role, including Leo as caretaker Taoiseach, until a new government is formed. Technically he could be Taoiseach for many months including as Hound said the visit to the White House on St. Paddy's Day. Indeed, if there is a new election later if no gov can be formed, he could go to the country slightly more popular than he was in February and come back with the most number of seats. Stranger things have happened.

Another election could see both FF and FG pick up seats.
They would have refined their manifestos and would have a right go at SF's fairytale.

See that is pure rubbish! Have a right go? what do you think they did in this election. They got every media outlet in the country to attack SF, they dragged up a 13 year old murder case and manipulated a grieving mother to further their goals. And they still failed and if SF ran in an election tomorrow they could take another 6 or 7 seats. You clearly have a hatred of SF, that's fair enough, but you are talking total garbage there - the kitchen sink was already thrown at SF and it failed and done nothing but drive people towards them.

Breege Quinn raised the story, still no apology

Breege Quinn has raised the story for 13 years, it got on front pages and into debates last week! If you think that is some sort of accident then there is nothing I can do for you.

Out of the 3 parties involved in this we have SF,FF,FG

FF/FG jumped on the bandwagon for political gain-crass and shallow

SF created a lie/slur about the family and defended it. They also clearly could have done more at the time to bring killers to justice.

Both bad, but you know which is worse

1. Cop yourself on. Breege Quinn has been campaigning for 13 years. Only last month did FG/FF/RTE etc show an interest in her.
2. SF didn't 'create' what you are calling a "lie/slur". Conor Murphy only said what was in the intelligence reports, including what was published by the Independent Monitoring Commission.

You must have misread what I wrote. I said FF/FG have jumped on story, but RTE in fact have been reporting on this for years(albeit with less intensity)
Of course SF created the slur-where have you been?
To make matters worse they never withdrew it despite many calls from Quinns!  And low and behold once an election comes along, Murphy gives a half hearted retraction-Now how is that any different in terms of political gamemanship  than what we seen from other parties.

And anyhow why jesus christ oh why would Murphy stand up and excuse a murder in the first place just because he might have been a smuggler or whatever. You really need to look at yourself lad. Shameful.

What kind of country do we want to live in?

Murphy never excused the murder.

Your shrieking comes across as staged, did you ever consider the theatre?
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on February 13, 2020, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2020, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 12, 2020, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 12, 2020, 06:32:26 PM
But they will still be ministers. All continue in their caretaker role, including Leo as caretaker Taoiseach, until a new government is formed. Technically he could be Taoiseach for many months including as Hound said the visit to the White House on St. Paddy's Day. Indeed, if there is a new election later if no gov can be formed, he could go to the country slightly more popular than he was in February and come back with the most number of seats. Stranger things have happened.

Another election could see both FF and FG pick up seats.
They would have refined their manifestos and would have a right go at SF's fairytale.

See that is pure rubbish! Have a right go? what do you think they did in this election. They got every media outlet in the country to attack SF, they dragged up a 13 year old murder case and manipulated a grieving mother to further their goals. And they still failed and if SF ran in an election tomorrow they could take another 6 or 7 seats. You clearly have a hatred of SF, that's fair enough, but you are talking total garbage there - the kitchen sink was already thrown at SF and it failed and done nothing but drive people towards them.

Breege Quinn raised the story, still no apology

Breege Quinn has raised the story for 13 years, it got on front pages and into debates last week! If you think that is some sort of accident then there is nothing I can do for you.

Out of the 3 parties involved in this we have SF,FF,FG

FF/FG jumped on the bandwagon for political gain-crass and shallow

SF created a lie/slur about the family and defended it. They also clearly could have done more at the time to bring killers to justice.

Both bad, but you know which is worse

1. Cop yourself on. Breege Quinn has been campaigning for 13 years. Only last month did FG/FF/RTE etc show an interest in her.
2. SF didn't 'create' what you are calling a "lie/slur". Conor Murphy only said what was in the intelligence reports, including what was published by the Independent Monitoring Commission.

You must have misread what I wrote. I said FF/FG have jumped on story, but RTE in fact have been reporting on this for years(albeit with less intensity)
Of course SF created the slur-where have you been?
To make matters worse they never withdrew it despite many calls from Quinns!  And low and behold once an election comes along, Murphy gives a half hearted retraction-Now how is that any different in terms of political gamemanship  than what we seen from other parties.

And anyhow why jesus christ oh why would Murphy stand up and excuse a murder in the first place just because he might have been a smuggler or whatever. You really need to look at yourself lad. Shameful.

What kind of country do we want to live in?

Murphy never excused the murder.

Your shrieking comes across as staged, did you ever consider the theatre?

Everyone knows that Murphy knows who was in charge in Cullyhanna. You know that is true, you will not admit it though. He qualified the killing by saying that Quinn was a criminal.

Come back to me in 5 years(maybe longer for you-slow learner) when you have worked it all out.