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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2012, 06:56:12 PM »
You do realise that there are 2 land borders with Gaza? Wht is there no outcry over the inhumane treatment that the Egyptians are causing in Gaza?
It suits Egypt to have the world to see Israel as the ones that are causing suffering to Gaza. Why doesn't Egypt open their border?

You start telling it straight, and I'll let it go. Don't leave out the bits that don't suit your agenda. 

If anyone thinks for one second I'm going to let them have a free ride on this, they're sadly mistaken.

Gaza is occupied by Israel. Jews in Israeli uniform control what Gazans feed their kids.
The territory will be more than likely uninhabitable by 2020 according to the UN.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/08/un-gaza-to-be-unlivable-by-2020-unless-serious-action-taken.html

Why would a GAA supporter want to see this happen?

I think you had better tell Hamas about all the Jews in uniform they have working for them in Gaza. You haven't the foggiest, have you?
i see hasbara all the time. You all spout the same crap.

"There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza"

Why would you want a GAAboard account just for this? 
Why is it so important to defend the indefensible?   

He signed up in 2006.
His first contribution on Gaza was yesterday.

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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2012, 07:13:32 PM »
SSSSSHH! I'm really an Israeli spy.  8)
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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2012, 08:33:53 PM »
All GAA supporters are not socialists
But not so many are Nazis either

well we all know of at least one fella with a nazi level of hatred toward jews....hmmm...I wonder who that would be ?

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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2012, 02:59:09 PM »
I really don't know how these poor people survive on their meager rations.


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Or where they can lay their hands on building materials, as it's impossible to come by in Gaza.

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Would anyone like to see the pictures of either of the new 5 star hotels recently built? The holiday resorts? The amusement park? The multitude of new houses.


Food is not as scarce as the propogandists would have you believe. Building materials are in short supply, mainly because of the amount of building work going on, not just the economic blockade that has been imposed.

These photos are not taken from a zionist website. They are not part of any propoganda campaign. They are photos of everyday life in the Warsaw ghetto/Gaza strip.
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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2012, 04:17:18 PM »
I really don't know how these poor people survive on their meager rations.


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Or where they can lay their hands on building materials, as it's impossible to come by in Gaza.

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Would anyone like to see the pictures of either of the new 5 star hotels recently built? The holiday resorts? The amusement park? The multitude of new houses.


Food is not as scarce as the propogandists would have you believe. Building materials are in short supply, mainly because of the amount of building work going on, not just the economic blockade that has been imposed.

These photos are not taken from a zionist website. They are not part of any propoganda campaign. They are photos of everyday life in the Warsaw ghetto/Gaza strip.
It's very hard to understand that Israel has money for white phosphorous in Gaza while its own Jewish kids don't have enough to eat

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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2012, 04:40:01 PM »
Israel isn't trying to con the world into thinking that the Palestinians are starving Israeli kids.


Are you and GHD going to continue the lie that Palestinian kids are starving because of the blockade?


There is hunger in EVERY country on this planet. Gaza is not unique.
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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2012, 05:10:27 PM »
Israel isn't trying to con the world into thinking that the Palestinians are starving Israeli kids.


Are you and GHD going to continue the lie that Palestinian kids are starving because of the blockade?


There is hunger in EVERY country on this planet. Gaza is not unique.
Gaza is a micromanaged catastrophe.
There are 1.5 million people in Gaza. 80% of them depend on aid for food.


Gaza is Israel's dirty secret.

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/10/101117_put_the_palestinians.php
The released documents, whose existence Israel had denied for eighteen months, reveal that the state approved “a policy of deliberate reduction” of basic goods, including food and fuel, in the Gaza Strip.

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/TOPICS/EXTCY/EXTECD/0,,contentMDK:20207804~menuPK:528430~pagePK:148956~piPK:216618~theSitePK:344939,00.html

 Does undernutrition impair behavioral development?

Poor nutrition during intrauterine life and early years leads to profound and varied effects including:
- Delayed physical growth and motor development
- General effects on cognitive development resulting in lower IQs (lower by 15 points or more in the severely malnourished)
- Greater degree of behavioral problems and deficient social skills at school age
- Decreased attention, deficient learning, and lower educational achievement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18436602
Gaza's sewage system is "completely broken".

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-scientists-find-new-strain-of-mrsa-bacteria-spreading-in-gaza-city.premium-1.437002

Israeli scientists find new strain of MRSA bacteria spreading in Gaza City

http://www.ewash.org/en/?view=79YOcy0nNs3Du69tjVnyyumIu1jfxPKNuunzXkRpKQN7IwQaTRTG
•   Gaza water too contaminated to drink, say charities (BBC News)

10 per cent of Gazan children are so malnourished that their development is permanently stunted


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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2012, 05:23:38 PM »
http://unitycoalitionforisrael.org/video/vtemp.php?id=0136

Oh the suffering...... I've seen worse shops in the Kennedy Centre FFS.


Ball DeBeaver, I have been posting for a few years now about Gaza, and have had many a debate with people on many issues. One thing we never had to deal with is people who think that it funny to see people suffering under a man made inhumane situation. There are many things that can be said, but one thing that can't be said is that the situation is funny. It's anything but.

Have a read at the article, which is a from a very well respected newspaper in Israel, Harratz. What are your thoughts on their plan to put 1.5 million people on a diet that contained just enough calories to stop them from dying. Now ask yourself, what kind of people would do such a thing? And is it really funny?

You obviously don't know the difference between having enough to survive and having enough to live healthily, or you are deliberately distorting the facts.

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Adults
 
The U.S. Department of Agriculture recommends...
 2,000 calories a day for women between the ages of 19 and 30;
1,800 calories for women between the ages of 31 to 50; and
1,600 calories for women 51 and older.
 The USDA recommends 2,400 calories a day for men between the ages of 19 and 30;
 2,200 calories for men between the ages of 31 and 50;
 and 2,000 calories for men 51 and older.

These figures are for a healthy lifestyle. NOT a diet with "just enough calories to stop them from dying".

A footballers caloric intake....
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Calculations
 
According to "Food Guide for Soccer," to calculate your calorie needs estimate the baseline of calories you need for your resting metabolic rate by multiplying 10 times your weight in pounds; say, 1,500 if you weigh 150 pounds. Add another 50 percent if you are active apart from soccer, or 750 calories. Add 600 calories for each hour of soccer training and if you play a full, highly competitive game, add 1,100 calories if you are female and 1,500 if you are male. Thus, an active player weighing 150 pounds on a day with a one-hour practice needs a calorie intake of about 2,850: 1,500 for his resting metabolic rate, 750 for daily activities and 600 for training.


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/446441-caloric-intake-for-soccer-players/#ixzz29lKMmozH

When you look at these figures then 2279 calories per person per day, isn't that far off the mark for what they need. Don't forget, not all are young adults, who require more than children and the elderly.



FACTS, NOT FICTION. FACTS, NOT MISINFORMATION.

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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2012, 06:00:21 PM »
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Have a read at the article, which is a from a very well respected newspaper in Israel, Harratz. What are your thoughts on their plan to put 1.5 million people on a diet that contained just enough calories to stop them from dying.

Surely the figure of 2279 is the correct average intake across men and women in order to maintain weight.
It is far from starving.

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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2012, 06:08:26 PM »
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Have a read at the article, which is a from a very well respected newspaper in Israel, Harratz. What are your thoughts on their plan to put 1.5 million people on a diet that contained just enough calories to stop them from dying.

Surely the figure of 2279 is the correct average intake across men and women in order to maintain weight.
It is far from starving.

And the poor who don't have the money to pay for food? Would everyone in a society have access to the same number of calories if less than 2300 is the average for the whole territory ? Mothers who are so weak they can't breastfeed their kids and have no money to pay for formula, for example.

10% of kids are stunted because of Israeli policy.

Israel is a disgrace. 
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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2012, 06:11:24 PM »
Palestinians are different though. They need more calories than a professional footballer.
 ;)



 

Gaza is a micromanaged catastrophe.
There are 1.5 million people in Gaza. 80% of them depend on aid for food.
Depending on who you believe, 60% of them are said to be unemployed, so that figure could very well be correct.

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Gaza is Israel's dirty secret.

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/10/101117_put_the_palestinians.php
The released documents, whose existence Israel had denied for eighteen months, reveal that the state approved “a policy of deliberate reduction” of basic goods, including food and fuel, in the Gaza Strip.

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/TOPICS/EXTCY/EXTECD/0,,contentMDK:20207804~menuPK:528430~pagePK:148956~piPK:216618~theSitePK:344939,00.html

 Does undernutrition impair behavioral development?

Poor nutrition during intrauterine life and early years leads to profound and varied effects including:
- Delayed physical growth and motor development
- General effects on cognitive development resulting in lower IQs (lower by 15 points or more in the severely malnourished)
- Greater degree of behavioral problems and deficient social skills at school age
- Decreased attention, deficient learning, and lower educational achievement.
      Who is being undernourished?
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Children require several things to help them grow into healthy adults, including exercise, sleep and proper nutrition. However, determining how many calories children need at the various stages of development is often a difficult task.
 
Infants
 
After a diet of only milk for the first four to six months, iron-fortified cereals, fruit, vegetables and meats are introduced. A diet containing 500 to 700 calories is usually sufficient. It should not be low-fat unless recommended by your pediatrician. The American Academy of Pediatrics has stated that a healthy amount of fat is important for babies' brain and nerve development.
 

Toddlers
 
Toddlers are in constant motion and can become very opinionated about what they want to eat. Care needs to be paid to the quality of their diet, with emphasis on avoiding empty calories. Children this age generally require 1,000 to 1,100 calories per day.
 
Preschool
 
The age of the picky eater often continues into the preschool years. About 1,200 to 1,400 calories per day is sufficient.
 
School Age
 
School-age children often ingest too much sugar, fat and salt. About 1,600 to 1,800 calories per day will provide the energy needed to fuel the brain and body.
 
Adolescents
 
Teens are often very conscious of their appearance, and this sometimes leads to eating disorders. Adolescents need 1,800 to 2,200 calories per day to fuel the many changes taking place.


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/28424-many-calories-children-need/#ixzz29lSVfMCt




                         
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18436602
Gaza's sewage system is "completely broken".
   Haven't you been watching the news about the floods all over the UK and Ireland. The sewers in this part of the world are crap too.                                                   

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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-scientists-find-new-strain-of-mrsa-bacteria-spreading-in-gaza-city.premium-1.437002

Israeli scientists find new strain of MRSA bacteria spreading in Gaza City
New strains of disease are discovered spreading all over the west too.

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http://www.ewash.org/en/?view=79YOcy0nNs3Du69tjVnyyumIu1jfxPKNuunzXkRpKQN7IwQaTRTG
•   Gaza water too contaminated to drink, say charities (BBC News)
          The drinking water in much of Europe is so contaminated it has to be boiled.  Would you drink from a tap in Spain?                       
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10 per cent of Gazan children are so malnourished that their development is permanently stunted
I refer you again to my second answer.
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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2012, 06:47:28 PM »
Palestinians are different though. They need more calories than a professional footballer.
 ;)



 

Gaza is a micromanaged catastrophe.
There are 1.5 million people in Gaza. 80% of them depend on aid for food.
Depending on who you believe, 60% of them are said to be unemployed, so that figure could very well be correct.

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Gaza is Israel's dirty secret.

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/10/101117_put_the_palestinians.php
The released documents, whose existence Israel had denied for eighteen months, reveal that the state approved “a policy of deliberate reduction” of basic goods, including food and fuel, in the Gaza Strip.

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/TOPICS/EXTCY/EXTECD/0,,contentMDK:20207804~menuPK:528430~pagePK:148956~piPK:216618~theSitePK:344939,00.html

 Does undernutrition impair behavioral development?

Poor nutrition during intrauterine life and early years leads to profound and varied effects including:
- Delayed physical growth and motor development
- General effects on cognitive development resulting in lower IQs (lower by 15 points or more in the severely malnourished)
- Greater degree of behavioral problems and deficient social skills at school age
- Decreased attention, deficient learning, and lower educational achievement.
      Who is being undernourished?
Quote
Children require several things to help them grow into healthy adults, including exercise, sleep and proper nutrition. However, determining how many calories children need at the various stages of development is often a difficult task.
 
Infants
 
After a diet of only milk for the first four to six months, iron-fortified cereals, fruit, vegetables and meats are introduced. A diet containing 500 to 700 calories is usually sufficient. It should not be low-fat unless recommended by your pediatrician. The American Academy of Pediatrics has stated that a healthy amount of fat is important for babies' brain and nerve development.
 

Toddlers
 
Toddlers are in constant motion and can become very opinionated about what they want to eat. Care needs to be paid to the quality of their diet, with emphasis on avoiding empty calories. Children this age generally require 1,000 to 1,100 calories per day.
 
Preschool
 
The age of the picky eater often continues into the preschool years. About 1,200 to 1,400 calories per day is sufficient.
 
School Age
 
School-age children often ingest too much sugar, fat and salt. About 1,600 to 1,800 calories per day will provide the energy needed to fuel the brain and body.
 
Adolescents
 
Teens are often very conscious of their appearance, and this sometimes leads to eating disorders. Adolescents need 1,800 to 2,200 calories per day to fuel the many changes taking place.


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/28424-many-calories-children-need/#ixzz29lSVfMCt




                         
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18436602
Gaza's sewage system is "completely broken".
   Haven't you been watching the news about the floods all over the UK and Ireland. The sewers in this part of the world are crap too.                                                   

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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-scientists-find-new-strain-of-mrsa-bacteria-spreading-in-gaza-city.premium-1.437002

Israeli scientists find new strain of MRSA bacteria spreading in Gaza City
New strains of disease are discovered spreading all over the west too.

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http://www.ewash.org/en/?view=79YOcy0nNs3Du69tjVnyyumIu1jfxPKNuunzXkRpKQN7IwQaTRTG
•   Gaza water too contaminated to drink, say charities (BBC News)
          The drinking water in much of Europe is so contaminated it has to be boiled.  Would you drink from a tap in Spain?                       
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10 per cent of Gazan children are so malnourished that their development is permanently stunted
I refer you again to my second answer.
Troll. People are dying in Gaza because of the Jewish state and you want to rise people.

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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2012, 07:06:05 PM »
Instead of throwing insults, why don't you prove me wrong?

As for people dying, would you like me to post the stats regarding the ratio of combatants v civilian casualties? Using every other conflict on the planet, the Israelis seem to be very restrained in their targetting.

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Civilian casualty ratio
 
The civilian casualty ratio of the targeted killings was surveyed by Haaretz military journalist Amos Harel. In 2002 and 2003, the ratio was 1:1, meaning one civilian killed for every terrorist killed. Harel called this period "the dark days" because of the relatively high civilian death toll as compared to later years. He attributed this to an Israeli Air Force (IAF) practice of attacking terrorists even when they were located in densely populated areas. While there were always safety rules, argued Harel, these were "bent" at times in view of the target's importance.[18]
 
The civilian casualty ratio dropped steeply to 1:28 in late 2005, meaning one civilian killed for every 28 terrorists killed. Harel credited this drop to the new IAF chief Eliezer Shkedi's policies. The ratio rose again in 2006 to 1:10, a fact that Harel blamed on "several IAF mishaps". However, in 2007 and 2008 the ratio dropped to an unprecedented level of less than 1:30, or 2–3 percent of the total casualties being civilian.[18] Figures showing an improvement from 1:1 in 2002 to 1:30 in 2008 were also cited by Jerusalem Post journalist Yaakov Katz.[19]
 
Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School stated that the 2008 figure of 1:30 represents the lowest civilian to combatant casualty ratio in history in the setting of combating terrorism. Dershowitz criticized the international media and human rights organizations for not taking sufficient note of it. He also argued that even this figure may be misleading because not all civilians are innocent bystanders.[20]
 

In October 2009, Dershowitz stated that the ratio for Israel's campaign of targeted killings of terrorists stood at 1 civilian for every 28 terrorists. He argued that "this is the best ratio of any country in the world that is fighting asymmetrical warfare against terrorists who hide behind civilians. It is far better than the ratio achieved by Great Britain and the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan, where both nations employ targeted killings of terrorist leaders." Regarding the practices which might have led to this record and the reasons the civilian death rate nevertheless remained above zero, Dershowitz cited Col. Richard Kemp's statements on the Gaza War:[21]
 

[f]rom my knowledge of the IDF and from the extent to which I have been following the current operation, I don’t think there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza... Hamas, the enemy they have been fighting, has been trained extensively by Iran and by Hezbollah, to fight among the people, to use the civilian population in Gaza as a human shield... Hamas factor in the uses of the population as a major part of their defensive plan. So even though as I say, Israel, the IDF, has taken enormous steps...to reduce civilian casualties, it is impossible, it is impossible to stop that happening when the enemy has been using civilians as human shields.
 
However, in a July 2011 article published in the Michigan War Studies Review, "Targeted Killings: A Modern Strategy of the State", A.E. Stahl and William F. Owen wrote that casualty ratios and death counts in general should be initially considered with dubiety. Stahl and Owen state: "A caveat: reported death counts and casualty ratios should be approached with skepticism. Statistics are too easy to manipulate for political purposes, vitiating arguments based on them."[18]
 
The Israeli Human Rights organization B'Tselem carries out their own investigations on fatalities in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and does not rely on official IDF statistics. According to B'Tselem statistics Israeli targeted killings claimed 425 Palestinian lives between September 2000 and August 2011. Of these, 251 persons (59.1 percent) were the targeted individuals and 174 (40.9 percent) were civilian bystanders. This implies a ratio of civilians to targets of 1:1.44 during the whole period.[22]

I know, it's wiki. But there's not a lot of impartial material out there.


On the other hand, rockets fired from Gaza aren't just as accurate.  ::)
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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2012, 07:27:31 PM »
Instead of throwing insults, why don't you prove me wrong?

As for people dying, would you like me to post the stats regarding the ratio of combatants v civilian casualties? Using every other conflict on the planet, the Israelis seem to be very restrained in their targetting.

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Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School stated that the 2008 figure of 1:30 represents the lowest civilian to combatant casualty ratio in history in the setting of combating terrorism. Dershowitz criticized the international media and human rights organizations for not taking sufficient note of it. He also argued that even this figure may be misleading because not all civilians are innocent bystanders.[20]
 
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I know, it's wiki. But there's not a lot of impartial material out there.


On the other hand, rockets fired from Gaza aren't just as accurate.  ::)

Wikipedia is perfectly respectable and I am sure it is quoting Professor Dershowitz's words correctly.

I am also sure that the wikipedia article on him is a fairly accurate representation of his views on Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Dershowitz#On_Israel

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Re: 2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve
« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2012, 07:38:06 PM »
He's perfectly entitled to hold that view, and seeing as he does, it only goes to strengthen the veracity of his statement.   

And I quote.......

Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School stated that the 2008 figure of 1:30 represents the lowest civilian to combatant casualty ratio in history in the setting of combating terrorism. Dershowitz criticized the international media and human rights organizations for not taking sufficient note of it. He also argued that even this figure may be misleading because not all civilians are innocent bystanders
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