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[Lar follows muppets lead, did you just mention a 1894 map Lar have a look at this SOLIDITARY 1894 map]

We have a saying in Sligo regarding the Connacht Council and it appears to hold true in this case. Leitrim and Ros always vote against ech other, and mayo and Galway alway back each other up  ,

I dont trust the Connacht Council. I belive prenty looks after mayos interests is what im getting at. Hardly a slur on his character , but try and spin anyway you want.

Lar follows muppets lead, did you just mention a 1894 map Lar have a look at this SOLIDITARY 1894 map,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballina,_County_Mayo

Notice the Sligo border...there all the way to the Moy. Unfortunetly if I were old enough when Ballagh went to CC i would of brought this solitary map just in case, and I would said to Mayo, Galway and Leitrim,  "lads this shows Sligo should have every player east of the Moy". "So ye voted for Mayo to keep Ballagh based on 1894 Map". "That is correct Sligonian, so therefore we award Sligo all the players and schools east of the Moy (even the part of Ballina)". We cant have one rule for Mayo and Another for anyone else. That would not be a democracy or fair. Id be some clown getting the School rule abolished and getting Sligo border to the east of the Moy   wouldnt I. And someday it might just happen. Basically every player east of Moy is illegal for Mayo. They should be objected to.


Lar now what do you have to say about that? Would call that spoofing ino art

Sligonian, I always look forward to reading what you have to say.  Don't you mind the rest of the Mayo crowd; they're all nasty, effin' begrudgers who refuse to admit that you are always right. I seldom know WTF you are on about either but don't let that worry you) I recognise genius when I see it.
Maybe you could help me figure something out:
Lar follows muppets lead, did you just mention a 1894 map Lar have a look at this SOLIDITARY 1894 map
I'd say poor muppet is having enough of a problem trying to figure out what you are on about without having me stalking him but, apart from that, I did mention an 1894 map. I never claimed it was mine or that I know anything whatever about it but I guess that won't deter you. I followed your link and all I got was a description of Ballina- not a single map in sight. What do you mean by a solidarity map anyway?
Id be some clown getting the School rule abolished and getting Sligo border to the east of the Moy    wouldnt I.
I can't answer that in all honesty.
A man gotta do what a man ought to do so you should keep on going. (BTW: I haven't a clue what that means either.)
We have a saying in Sligo regarding the Connacht Council and it appears to hold true in this case. Leitrim and Ros always vote against ech other, and mayo and Galway alway back each other up
You may indeed have this saying and you are welcome to it but what has that got to do with John Prenty's idea of fair play? If I criticise someone in the public eye, I try to always give my reasons for doing this and I'll also give him or her any credit that is due. If you have any issue with Prenty's impartiality do you have any firm evidence to back it up?
"So ye voted for Mayo to keep Ballagh based on 1894 Map".
And why not?
You just might be surprised to learn that the club in Ardnaree was founded a wee bit later than the club in Ballagh- about 50 years or so.
In 1949, Ardnaree was without doubt part of Mayo and so was Ballagh back in 1885 or thereabouts. Those were the years in which both clubs were formed and both were affiliated to the appropriate county board at the time. For both clubs, this meant Mayo. If you come across any rule in the GAA's book that says clubs have to align with political boundaries, please let me know.
In the meantime, I won't be holding my breath...

[Connacht Council refused this after Mayo, Galway and Leitrim voted against it- shocking stuff in my opinion when other counties tell you you cannot play with your native county.]

Connacht Council refused this after Mayo, Galway and Leitrim voted against it- shocking stuff in my opinion when other counties tell you you cannot play with your native county.
I have no doubt that Turlough is genuinely shocked by this decision; that's his right but it is democracy at work- in my book at any rate.
Why should Galway, Leitrim and Sligo conspire with Mayo to deprive Roscommon of what is rightfully theirs?
How can anybody seriously suggest that a 4-1 vote on that occasion was a deliberate attempt to shaft Roscommon when it would have been in the best self-interests of the three non-involved counties to see Mayo deprived of one of its most successful clubs?

OK you are correct don't want to drag this anymore off topic. Historically Ros did lose Paul Earley to Aus Rules for several years, but he did come back to win a couple of Connacht finals. The Mayo players too will come back.

But on the Connacht council vote. It was 3:2 (Sligo and Ros voted to allow Ballagh to set up a second club called St. John's to play in Ros). This vote was not to deny Mayo the services of the existing GAA club. That was to remain in Mayo. It was to set up a second club in the town to accomodate the Ros players. Mayo lobbied very hard at the time to prevent a second club in Ballaghaderreen. Those were heated days. A ladies club was also set up in the town to play in Roscommon, and they were prevented from playing in the local parish football field.
If that was democracy, then it was GAA democracy - a definition not to be found in most dictionaries.

I had completely overlooked Paul Earley; he must have been the first or thereabouts to try his luck in Oz. But as far as I can recall, he was a bit older than Aidan O'Shea is or Kyle Coney was last year. He'd have been around the 21-22 mark, wouldn't he?
He always struck me as a sensible, level-headed individual and I'd feel he was always capable of making rational decisions without being unduly influenced by others. I mean no disrespect to the maturity or intelligence of any of the lads being approached now but they are all basically kids and haven't had the chance to see what life outside of exams and school regimes is like.
There are too many going to realistically expect all of them to be successful out there and often with failure comes disillusionment and there is no guarantee that all who return home will go back to playing GAA again. I have heard nothing about opportunities for ongoing education either. All in all, there are loads of issues that need to be clarified before Nixon and his likes are to be allowed a free hand to cherry pick at will.
I accept that I got the vote results wrong. It was during the early 6'0s, wasn't it? I can just about remember reading an account of the meeting by a reporter in the Western People, where the Roscommon delegates were described as arriving, "looking stern and purposeful and bristling with maps and documents of all types."
On the other hand, the Mayo heads turned up, "looking cheerful and self-assured with but a solitary map to aid their cause."
After a few more shovelfuls of this sort of crap,the reporter said this document was a copy of a county map drawn up in 1894. They sure don't write 'em as they used to anymore- except maybe Sligonian and Rossfan.
That pair turn spoofing into art. 

[Connacht Council refused this after Mayo, Galway and Leitrim voted against it- shocking stuff in my opinion when other counties tell you you cannot play with your native county.]

Yet again, a Mayo thread has been dragged off-topic by the antics of Sligonian and Rossfan. That's a terrible pity as what is on-topic here is quite a serious matter with potentially serious consequences for the GAA in general.
If Aidan O'Shea follows Pierce Hanley to Australia, not only will Mayo have lost two of the most exciting prospects to have hit the scene in recent years but every other county as well, including Sligo and Roscommon, had better sit up and start to take notice.
I think one of the inevitable follow ons from the decision to resurrect the International Rules series is the fact that some of the very best young players would be poached. The list of those who left the GAA is quite a long one and the drift has been going on since the case of Jim Stynes- maybe even longer than that. Now it seems that the top minor teams are being targeted. Kyle Coney last year and possibly O'Shea this year and who know what will happen in time to come?
Ricky Nixon isn't the main culprit- if he shagged off, he would speedily be replaced by some other adventurer. It's hard to blame a young player if he feels like taking a chance out there  and I doubt if anyone approached understands that he won't be getting VIP treatment and that if he doesn't measure up he will be dropped like a light.
I think that is a far more serious matter than entertaining both tulips who have their moan button pressed all the bloody time.
I really love the pair of them when they go into overdrive; for sheer craic, they would be hard to replace but I'm more concerned with the consequences for Mayo football. All the more so when Johnno seems to be getting his act together. He has enough problems to contend with without losing the player that seems central to his plans.
With regard to the fuss about Ballagh playing in Mayo, the less notice given to the comical duo the better- but even Turlough might care to reflect on a point he made in his last post. As usual, he made a reasoned contribution and I can see his point of view but he seems to pass over the fact that all other counties saw fit to block Ros from starting up another club in the Ballagh area.
There it is:
Connacht Council refused this after Mayo, Galway and Leitrim voted against it- shocking stuff in my opinion when other counties tell you you cannot play with your native county.
I have no doubt that Turlough is genuinely shocked by this decision; that's his right but it is democracy at work- in my book at any rate.
Why should Galway, Leitrim and Sligo conspire with Mayo to deprive Roscommon of what is rightfully theirs?
How can anybody seriously suggest that a 4-1 vote on that occasion was a deliberate attempt to shaft Roscommon when it would have been in the best self-interests of the three non-involved counties to see Mayo deprived of one of its most successful clubs?
I don't know of any rule of the GAA that obliges clubs to affiliate with the county board of its local administration unit- or county if you prefer.
If that was indeed the case, Dublin should now be split in three and Tipperary in two.

BTW: Sligonian, something like:
Is the Connacht Council a Democracy with prenty there?
might pass without notice here where no one appears to take you seriously but it is a slur on Mr. Prenty's character all the same and in any democracy this man should be entitled to his good name unless you have proof to the contrary. 

take it to another thread - i've  a pain in my bollox reading about it.

You are dead right, Indy; it's time to stop throwing the rattles out of the prams and give us all a break.

I'm not aware of any tension. I don't think the squad were happy with their physical preparation last year which from what I heard was fairly slapdash even though they did enjoy working under Sammon. Bottom line is they weren't fit enough and didn't work hard enough for each other and thus faded badly in the second half of a number of matches all year (bar the Connacht final). I think we can take it as read they will be physically prepared next year. Whether it makes a difference remains to be seen.

Yeah, it was obvious this year that the Galway lads just weren’t as sharp a usual. It seems a good few of the players who served you well for a good many years are coming to the end and you don’t seem to have discovered any major new talent - so far at any rate. I would rate Pee Joyce in his prime as the best forward I have seen and he will be a big loss when he steps down. Even at this stage of his career, it would be foolish of any other side to take him for granted.
I’d imagine that it will take a few years before Galway can have serious hopes for the All Ireland again. That would be a pity for Connacht football in general as Galway have always been the side to keep the other Connacht sides on their toes.
O’Mahony appears to have a fair idea of the team he wants to build and I’d say that the side he put out this year was as good as he could muster but the game against Meath and especially the Meath game against Kerry showed that a wide gap exists between the best in Connacht and the top sides at present.
It’s indeed premature to give up hope for all Connacht sides at this time of the year- the league may throw up a few surprise and all sides are bound to improve but the same applies to most other counties across the Shannon. It would be a catastrophe for Mayo and for O’Mahony’s development plans if O’Shea should decide to follow Hanley to Australia. 
It is something outside of the manager’s control but it would set his plans back considerably. I could see any of the Connacht sides bar Leitrim winning the Nestor Cup next season but I can’t see any of them being serious contenders for Sam for at least another year.

[MAYOMAN >>>NEVER[/b]]

Hanley was not ,is not and never will be a Mayoman.
He may play for them as his club is in Mayo GAA but he was,is and will be a Roscommon man from Ballaghadereen Co Roscommon.
He may have been a Mayo footballer but a MAYOMAN >>>NEVER[/b]

You should chill out my friend and go back to insulting Roger and EG and the likes in the general section.
They know sweet damn all about history and you know sweet damn all about geography so it should be an even contest.

In the midst of so much doom and gloom, it's great to hear something positive for a change. Continuing good luck to both the baby and his family and friends.

[All fair points and more than likely spot on, just frustrating that it can be seen happening in October!!!]

3 strongest teams on 1 side. Happy enough with that, get an early idea of how strong you are and if you loose, you loose early so have better shot at the back door.

That should be true ballinaman. But lets talk turkey here for a minute. Nothing is going to change next year. Remember we won provincial this year and capitulated anyway. That was after our inadequacies being shown up well in the previous 2 matches and were not addressed. The Meath match was lower than  the recent AI losses imo. Nothing in it to suggest a better lot any time soon. That great Meathman The Duke of Wellington could have been talking about Mayo in Croke Park instead of the French at Waterloo when he said ' they came on in the same old way and we beat them in the same old way'. We never learn from the lessons of the past. This was not about the supporters being arrogant, which is the usual ould codology that is thrown out. Funny how Mayo supporters get blamed for Mayo defeats but get no credit for the wins. The team was poorly prepared and selected and fell to the first half- decent opposition we met [ we were fortunate to survive the worst Galway team since Fergal O Neill was a regular forward for them]. We ve no reason to be hopeful, never mind optimistic for '10 - front door and certainly not backdoor. Early defeat and these boys are club players. Whats going to be different next year? More Johnno. More ould guff for grannies. More inadequate Kilty programmes - that somebody else must run. More psycho bullshit and guest speakers. New year. Same circus. Same clowns.

All fair points and more than likely spot on, just frustrating that it can be seen happening in October!!!

Like Abbeysider says, it is too early for this thread  but you'd be inclined to feel that that we will have very little to get excited about when next May rolls around and we start off the long, depressing routine once again.
Using this year's championship form as a guide, I think Mayo should retain the Connacht title.
Sligo continues to field a fairly useful side but don't have the inner belief to prevail in tight championship matches. They are also need a couple of good players. That has been the case for most of this decade; they just do not have 15 players of inter county standard at any one time.
I feel that the Rossies will be the most improved side next year but still I cannot see them getting by Mayo or Galway- for another year at any rate.  Like Leitrim, they are usually an awkward shower of hoors to meet at any time but I'd be confident that the Connacht champs will come from the other side of the draw.
Can any of the Galway posters here tell me what is going on in the Galway camp?
I get the feeling that there is some tension behind the scenes and that all is far from well; shafting Liam Sammon is not going to solve anything. Maybe it is time to thank Pee Joyce for his outstanding service to the cause and get rid of home. A few more of the long established players might need to be dropped also before Galway becomes a serious side again.
Unless there are unforeseen developments, I think Mayo should have just about enough to get by in Connacht.  Sadly, I have to agree with everything Moysider has said about our beloved county. Maybe he did not go far enough but still think we should win out in the province because the rest are even worse.
Connacht football is just not in a happy state at present.

[Oh and one last question. What does anyone think happened to the souls of people who lived BC who couldn't have known about the Holy Trinity through no fault of their own?]

I have to agree that the believers are very defensive. A lot of avoidance of questions too.
Nobody answered me, and others, as to why such miracles happen. Why not a visitation with an actual message rather than just a visitation?
A la carte catholics is a very apt term to use IN GENERAL. And to say that posters on here aren't perfect isn't the point. To commit sins as the believer sees it is fine but to ignore certain "rules" such as sex before marriage etc because it doesn't fit in with modern society isn't an imperfection if it's repeated. So when such a point is put to a believer why not just either defend your position if possible or admit to the fact.
And finally the "were you at Knock" argument. I wasn't at Knock and so I cannot say for sure that nothing appeared. In fact I'd be fairly sure that something was seen and as it was Knock and as there were Christians present it would be convenient if it were a miracle.
I heard a voice in my head once, talking really quietly for about 20 seconds before I realised I had attempted to hang up the phone and failed while the person on the other side had answered and was talking to me. If I hadn't realised I would have said that I can't explain it but that there must be some explanation, not that it was a miracle. If certain individuals didn't realise the same thing they may well have decided that it was a message just as it wasn't readily explainable.
Now please be civil in any replies. Love thy neighbour.
Oh and one last question. What does anyone think happened to the souls of people who lived BC who couldn't have known about the Holy Trinity through no fault of their own?

The official Church teaching is that anyone who has led a life of rectitude according to his or her moral code will be saved. This can be taken to mean that those, even today, who follow their consciences and act accordingly will find favour in the eyes of God even if they chose to practise a different religion.   

Nice and wishy washy then.

I'm not saying nuthin'

[Oh and one last question. What does anyone think happened to the souls of people who lived BC who couldn't have known about the Holy Trinity through no fault of their own?]

I have to agree that the believers are very defensive. A lot of avoidance of questions too.
Nobody answered me, and others, as to why such miracles happen. Why not a visitation with an actual message rather than just a visitation?
A la carte catholics is a very apt term to use IN GENERAL. And to say that posters on here aren't perfect isn't the point. To commit sins as the believer sees it is fine but to ignore certain "rules" such as sex before marriage etc because it doesn't fit in with modern society isn't an imperfection if it's repeated. So when such a point is put to a believer why not just either defend your position if possible or admit to the fact.
And finally the "were you at Knock" argument. I wasn't at Knock and so I cannot say for sure that nothing appeared. In fact I'd be fairly sure that something was seen and as it was Knock and as there were Christians present it would be convenient if it were a miracle.
I heard a voice in my head once, talking really quietly for about 20 seconds before I realised I had attempted to hang up the phone and failed while the person on the other side had answered and was talking to me. If I hadn't realised I would have said that I can't explain it but that there must be some explanation, not that it was a miracle. If certain individuals didn't realise the same thing they may well have decided that it was a message just as it wasn't readily explainable.
Now please be civil in any replies. Love thy neighbour.
Oh and one last question. What does anyone think happened to the souls of people who lived BC who couldn't have known about the Holy Trinity through no fault of their own?

The official Church teaching is that anyone who has led a life of rectitude according to his or her moral code will be saved. This can be taken to mean that those, even today, who follow their consciences and act accordingly will find favour in the eyes of God even if they chose to practise a different religion.   

A man Cavan can be proud of. Some achievement.

This is from earlier in the year - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5flyZdASAA

Unreal acheivement.Considering the injury and all.Delighted for Paul.Very sound fella. Keeping the Gunner name famous.

That's great to hear. Fair play to Paul, it was a superb achievement.

Back in 2005, some time after Tyrone won the All Ireland, Joe Brolly wrote a piece in the Irish News. (I think I got that right; it's the Belfast daily, isn't it?)
According to the bould Joe, all other counties could look at the champs and weep, or something like that.  He went on a bit to waffle about Tyrone's technical brilliance, superb conditioning and so on and on. He claimed they would be unbeatable for years to come and the only ones capable of matching them were likely to be their neighbours Armagh and Derry. 
All this, sez he, was down to the Good Friday Agreement!
His reasoning was that in the wake of the agreement, money was being doled out to community projects on both sides of the divide like snuff at a wake.
Apparently, the Tyrone County Board were in for their share like a light and on the back of the goodies from Stormont, had developed an underage coaching setup that was second to none.
He reckoned that Tyrone had developed the best coaching system in the country and would benefit from the largesse from the Northern Office, or wherever, to maintain their hold on National titles at every conceivable level for the foreseeable future.
Joe went on to state that Armagh and Derry were next in line at developing a solid coaching structure and providing facilities for underage players and probably the three other Northern teams would get in on the act in time.
The rest of us poor sods were have to get our schools of excellence and the likes in top gear or we would all wind up as spectators when the third Sunday in September rolls around for many years to come.
Now, allowing for the fact that Brolly is a waffler, is there any truth in what he had to say?
Is Nelson McCausland really such a mean guy?
Maybe Shane Curran isn't just a pretty face...

How did Brady fare out last evening in the final?

[Was only a wee lad back then]

Apparently he wasn't needed in 1996.

Would be interested to know more about this, were there behind the scenes factors involved or what was the story? Was only a wee lad back then.
Also looking forward to the future, what do people think needs to be done so to try and minimise the chances of this happening again, and are there any players who currently seem to be heading down the same road in yer opinions?

I was only 9 years old too in 1996, but I'm sure most Mayo posters will agree with me that John Casey and David Nestor who got plenty of game time in the late 90s were not as good as O'Neill ever. I also remember Maughan on about something that he'd never pick Knockmore players again after they refused to let players play in a league game a week or two before they were due to play Éire Óg. Mayo4Sam will know more about this as he's older than I am.

I remember the time well.(I think!)
Knockmore qwere going well in the club championships and the manager was unwilling to release any of his players,

O'Neill included, for county duty. I think Knockmore had an All-Ireland semi coming up and Maughan's next was a

mickey mouse league game; it might even have been a challenge.
The Mayo side were not in very impressive form at this time and there was definitely no sense of urgency about this

game, whereass Knockmore had been bedevilled by injuries in the lead up to their semi and the manager was under

pressure to get his strongest side together. Kevin was just coming back to form  after a long lay off due to

injury. far as I can recall, he had suffered a serious leg break and was just returning to top form.
Now, the thing to keep in mind is that there was a history of bad blood between Maughan and the Knockmore manager

for some time previous to this.
It certainly was common knowledge in Mayo football circles and I think it was something to do with Knockmore/

Crossmolina rivalry. Peter Butler had been getting a raw deal from Maughan and the Knockmore manager had criticised

Maughan for this. Maughan had let it be known that he expected all players he wanted to be prepared for county duty

and wouldn't accept any excuses if they didn't.
Kevin O'Neill took the unusual step of making a statement to say that it was up to managers to sort out conflicting

calls between them and that it was most unfair to ask any player to make such a decision. Kevin did not refer to

any club or individual when he was reported saying this by the Sunday Independant but everyone know who and what he

was referring to.
The rest is history. Maughan never gave him a fair chance again and he certainly dug up some tulips to play for the

county while O'Neill was either ignored or kept on the sub's bench. Earlier this year Maughan said that if

O'Neill's form had warranted it, he would have played him without bother. He is entitled to his opinion but the

facts suggest otherwise.
O'Neill was in brilliant form for his club throughout his enforced exile from the county scene and it caused a

great deal of controversy when he was omitted from the panel for the replay in the final of '96. Tom Reilly who got

the nod before him was probably a decent chap and can't be held responsible for Kevin not getting a place but

Reilly was not a serious intercounty footballer. IMO, he wasn't within an ass's roar of the standard required for a

place on any All Ireland squad.
For that game, I think the common consenus was that we had the equal, if not the beating, of Meath everywhere

except in the full forward line. Finnerty and Casey were good at fancy touches but never had the bottle for the

hard graft and Dempsey was only a shadow of the player he was in the early 90s. He also had suffered a a serious

leg break and never recovered his old form. You could add Maurice Sheridan in here as well. he was a skilful

player, like Casey, who could pop the ball up into his hands without stooping down but could do little else with

it. I never recall him fielding an overhead ball or harrying an opponent. He was probably the best freetaker I have

seen but he was never an all rounder.
Given all the above, it is hard to see why Maughan didn't play O'Neill who was the leading scorer in the club

championships that season, if my memory serves me right.

The only All Ireland Mayo deserved to win, that they didn't, was 1996.

I have to agree with you there. When all the hard luck stories have been examined, I don't think that we were beaten by bad reffing or divine intervention in any of the others. I imagine that if one was to analyse each final we lost, it would be fair to say we were second best in each case.
The minors this year put up a mighty show but, like the side last year, they were beaten by a better side from the North. Last year Tyrone stood out all the way and this year Armagh and Down were being tipped right from the start. All counties up north seem to have their schools of excellence or whatever they are called in place and the results are beginning to show.