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Title: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on October 14, 2017, 11:40:53 PM
Laois will be operating out of Division 4 in 2018 and here are all the fixtures.

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/10/13/laois-face-face-trip-london-2018-national-football-league/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on October 14, 2017, 11:56:07 PM
Best of luck to john and his backroom staff ( heard today one more was added lad from somewhere in munster ). The rebuilding begins in Ernest ill be positive and back these lads lots of work to do but i think they are all up for it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on October 15, 2017, 12:53:10 AM
Well I'll be hopeing for promotion we are def good enough and I'm sure john will prevail
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on October 15, 2017, 09:58:56 AM
Any new players stand out from the club championship?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on October 15, 2017, 11:15:48 AM
I could see the two murphys from portarlington getting a call up tommy kehoe from o dempseys. Get a bit of fresh blood in shake the "established" lads up. Bit of in house competition is always healthy
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on October 15, 2017, 02:28:18 PM
It'd be great to see us back in Croke Park with a League Final at least. In a way it's a great opportunity for John as the only way is up, really. It'd be very great news to welcome Cahir back and maybe a couple other Ploaise lads. Other than that, a few pacey new faces. We won't have a golden generation of squad for 2018 but I can easily see us do well in Div 4 and maybe blood some new players. That's all we can really hope for in 2018 but let's hope it's a far better setup compared with our last few  ::)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 01, 2017, 12:30:56 AM
League begins in January as GAA unveil 2018 fixture list

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/1031/916492-league-opens-in-january-as-gaa-unveil-2018-fixture-lis/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on November 01, 2017, 10:12:27 AM
Club Laois still going? Even though its division 4 games they should try Mark at home games to get a crowd. Some attractive away fixtures for fans with London and Carrick being the stand outs.

Any word on who was called in for trial games? 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on November 01, 2017, 03:50:55 PM
is there a trial game tonight?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on November 01, 2017, 10:59:16 PM
Yeah, they had trials last Wednesday + Saturday too. Not sure who's in there.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on November 02, 2017, 12:11:25 PM
I travelled in to take a quick look but had to go as the ball was being thrown in to be honest

Seemed good numbers 27-28guys,very active warm up Stack doing the shouting mostly and trialists looking fairly fit
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: South Laois man on November 09, 2017, 12:25:41 PM
Any news on any players dropping off the panel or new players been looked at?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: clonadmad on November 10, 2017, 08:05:15 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/11/10/massive-blow-laois-footballers-kingston-opts/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 10, 2017, 08:09:35 AM
Bit of an unfair blow to sugrue and his backroom team with so many of the top player's opting out so far donie conor Meredith and robbie keogh i expect as with most years there will be little involvement from the town.
Just cause there has been a bad few years with bad manager's that should not to taken out on sugrue.
Hopefully the lads that go in will be given a chance by the supporters as the uphill battle has just got harder.
Crazy county we live in when you cant pick your top players
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 10, 2017, 09:13:30 AM
Division 4 will test players attitude and really separate the guys who really have the county's interests at heart and those who are there just for the crack. It takes real commitment from lads to play division football as the only thing to be gained is the counties pride.

Well done to the lads who do commit, they are real Laoismen and we won't forget that. Very disappointed with Donie...
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 09:36:16 AM
First sign of a proper trainer with a decent bit of commitment required, and the liferafts are pushed out. Sad to see.

Best of luck to those who commit.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on November 10, 2017, 09:59:01 AM
Can't believe that Donie would go down this route when whats required is our top players standing up ,shoulder to the wheel ,showing the potential new kids top commitment

Bad start and bit of a let down
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2017, 11:12:51 AM
These same players that people are criticising have been messed about for 5 years, every manager that has come has been a false dawn.  Sugrue is probably moving a bit quick, at the moment playing for Laois is not what everyone dreams of doing.  I am sure a few good results and maybe a little less tough talk and fellas will come back on board.  I was very much in favour of going with a younger team because a lot of the older boys are carrying scars of previous regimes ineptitude.  If I was the current management I would not issue any ultimatums and see if we can get them back on board at a later date.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 11:19:56 AM
These same players that people are criticising have been messed about for 5 years, every manager that has come has been a false dawn.  Sugrue is probably moving a bit quick, at the moment playing for Laois is not what everyone dreams of doing.  I am sure a few good results and maybe a little less tough talk and fellas will come back on board.  I was very much in favour of going with a younger team because a lot of the older boys are carrying scars of previous regimes ineptitude.  If I was the current management I would not issue any ultimatums and see if we can get them back on board at a later date.
Less tough talk? What tough talk has he made?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: clonadmad on November 10, 2017, 11:30:47 AM
New Season
New Management
New Start


Not yet December and our talisman forward wont commit,so much for all the talk of walking out of Division 4 and giving Kildare a game in Leinster in 2018.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 11:32:13 AM
New Season
New Management
New Start


Not yet December and our talisman forward wont commit,so much for all the talk of walking out of Division 4 and giving Kildare a game in Leinster in 2018.
I think we'll beat Kildare by a point a man come the Leinster semi final.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2017, 12:09:35 PM
Not just in Laois, but in every county like us, this has to be expected. It's gone beyond the point of being an amateur sport that lads play in their spare time. Even at club level. The demands are too great and this is the price that counties like us can expect to pay. It's not worth it. It's not enjoyable any more and I can't expect lads to slavishly commit to a cause like ours year after year. Donie owes us nothing. Maybe he will enjoy the basketball a little bit more and good luck to him
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
Not just in Laois, but in every county like us, this has to be expected. It's gone beyond the point of being an amateur sport that lads play in their spare time. Even at club level. The demands are too great and this is the price that counties like us can expect to pay. It's not worth it. It's not enjoyable any more and I can't expect lads to slavishly commit to a cause like ours year after year. Donie owes us nothing. Maybe he will enjoy the basketball a little bit more and good luck to him
Sorry, but no. Not on this occasion. After 5 years of incredible shite, a proper coach and manager are in place. His career has been a story of gigantic unfulfilled talent. Donie owes us nothing. He owes his talent quite a lot.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: seafoid on November 10, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
These same players that people are criticising have been messed about for 5 years, every manager that has come has been a false dawn.  Sugrue is probably moving a bit quick, at the moment playing for Laois is not what everyone dreams of doing.  I am sure a few good results and maybe a little less tough talk and fellas will come back on board.  I was very much in favour of going with a younger team because a lot of the older boys are carrying scars of previous regimes ineptitude.  If I was the current management I would not issue any ultimatums and see if we can get them back on board at a later date.
It might be too late for some of them. Galway hurlers had a long period of mediocrity and managers who promised much without delivering. In 2011 a new management team was appointed. They took a hatchet to the stars and picked 22 under 21s out of a panel of 37. 6 years later Galway  won the all Ireland.  The psychological damage done by years of mediocrity shouldn't be underestimated.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
Not just in Laois, but in every county like us, this has to be expected. It's gone beyond the point of being an amateur sport that lads play in their spare time. Even at club level. The demands are too great and this is the price that counties like us can expect to pay. It's not worth it. It's not enjoyable any more and I can't expect lads to slavishly commit to a cause like ours year after year. Donie owes us nothing. Maybe he will enjoy the basketball a little bit more and good luck to him
Sorry, but no. Not on this occasion. After 5 years of incredible shite, a proper coach and manager are in place. His career has been a story of gigantic unfulfilled talent. Donie owes us nothing. He owes his talent quite a lot.

And that's the point. He'll never realise his potential in Laois. There's nothing (relatively speaking) to play for. I think he'll be back but I don't blame him for taking a break from it. It's an opportunity for others to step up too. Some of them, maybe all of them, have been in his shadow for a long time
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2017, 01:12:54 PM
Personally I am not sure we need to crack any eggs sometimes an Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove works better than taking a sledge hammer to things.  I would rather be talking to Donie and hopefully convincing him of a return.  I really don't get why Laois footballs internal problems need to be in both National & Local Media for every single issue. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2017, 01:14:50 PM
These same players that people are criticising have been messed about for 5 years, every manager that has come has been a false dawn.  Sugrue is probably moving a bit quick, at the moment playing for Laois is not what everyone dreams of doing.  I am sure a few good results and maybe a little less tough talk and fellas will come back on board.  I was very much in favour of going with a younger team because a lot of the older boys are carrying scars of previous regimes ineptitude.  If I was the current management I would not issue any ultimatums and see if we can get them back on board at a later date.
It might be too late for some of them. Galway hurlers had a long period of mediocrity and managers who promised much without delivering. In 2011 a new management team was appointed. They took a hatchet to the stars and picked 22 under 21s out of a panel of 37. 6 years later Galway  won the all Ireland.  The psychological damage done by years of mediocrity shouldn't be underestimated.

Agree unfortunately we do not have Galways U21's
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 10, 2017, 01:32:19 PM
While I'm disappointed with the decision, I'm not disappointed with Donie himself as he's given a lot to Laois and has put up with a lot, too, with poor setups etc. It's just a pity that this year it looks like we will have our best setup since McNulty, but our best player wont be playing. We can perhaps handle not having Donie for the League campaign as we might still have enough for promotion. But we'll badly need him for championship if we've any hopes of a leinster semi final, so I hope he does come back in the new year at some point. Having Paul Kingston there is a bonus. Let's just hope the setup is as good as we're hoping it will be, and that somehow our top performers will opt in. Having said all that, you can't be disappointed with the players themselves if they decide not to commit. It really is like a full-time job to be an inter county player these days and players have lives, families and jobs too. In my opinion, the commitment the inter county players give across the country without any payment is unsustainable, especially for counties like us that don't see much success. That's a matter for another day though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 10, 2017, 01:47:20 PM
Personally I am not sure we need to crack any eggs sometimes an Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove works better than taking a sledge hammer to things.  I would rather be talking to Donie and hopefully convincing him of a return.  I really don't get why Laois footballs internal problems need to be in both National & Local Media for every single issue.

Reading the independent article john surgrue said the door was open. Lets fact check as this is how mob mentality grabs at false or badly constructed comments
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 01:56:05 PM
I have no doubt he'll be back. My concern will be, in what condition.

Anyway, we move on.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2017, 02:04:42 PM
While I'm disappointed with the decision, I'm not disappointed with Donie himself as he's given a lot to Laois and has put up with a lot, too, with poor setups etc. It's just a pity that this year it looks like we will have our best setup since McNulty, but our best player wont be playing. We can perhaps handle not having Donie for the League campaign as we might still have enough for promotion. But we'll badly need him for championship if we've any hopes of a leinster semi final, so I hope he does come back in the new year at some point. Having Paul Kingston there is a bonus. Let's just hope the setup is as good as we're hoping it will be, and that somehow our top performers will opt in. Having said all that, you can't be disappointed with the players themselves if they decide not to commit. It really is like a full-time job to be an inter county player these days and players have lives, families and jobs too. In my opinion, the commitment the inter county players give across the country without any payment is unsustainable, especially for counties like us that don't see much success. That's a matter for another day though.

Spot on. Great post. This goes a lot deeper than Donie Kingston. Offaly are without Graham Guilfoyle for the year because of a new job. A big loss for them. Choices have to be made in counties like Laois and Offaly. Job/Family/Commuting/personal financial situation etc v representing your county. I'm  surprised at times at the number who actually bother. The GAA are in cuckoo land if they think this will be a good model for future wellbeing.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: clonadmad on November 10, 2017, 03:32:25 PM
New Season
New Management
New Start


Not yet December and our talisman forward wont commit,so much for all the talk of walking out of Division 4 and giving Kildare a game in Leinster in 2018.
I think we'll beat Kildare by a point a man come the Leinster semi final.

I'll have some of what that man is having,Nurse
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Nameless on November 10, 2017, 03:53:47 PM
Massive loss but if he's not in now he shouldn't be allowed in later. We all know it takes a massive effort and huge commitment at this level so you can't just come in after the league and hope to be in the right condition. It's just not possible anymore. We can't complain if lads want to do other things or take a break, it's worse if they join up and are not 100% committed.
I'm hoping Sugrue will actually be strict on this. We've had lads dropping in and out for the past few years and they're just not prepared. Also if lads join up and they're caught drinking every weekend or not putting it in then they should be kicked off the panel. It doesn't matter what their names are.
We've let an awful attitude develop within the squad and it's why we are where we are. As I said, we can't complain about lads deciding it's not for them this year but we can complain if we're spending a lot of money following them and they're unfit and way off the pace because of personal choices.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on November 10, 2017, 04:53:48 PM
Its a pity he cannot/wont commit. I have my suspicions on whats really going on but thats his own business and his own decision. Ill still be heading up to Carrick, Ruislip Netwatch Cullen park and where ever else we have to go to watch players who really want to play for laois and who dont whinge or throw dodies from their prams.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 10, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
Well said Monument Road, totally agree with that. At least we'll have Zack back at some stage...

http://www.hoganstand.com/Laois/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=277926&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on November 12, 2017, 07:32:50 PM
I dont think its such a bad thing donie leaving .. hes carried the team for years .. he prob just not enjoying it anymore
He needs a break .. let sugrue develop a young team without the temptation of having to get it to donie every single time. I dont care if ythe older crew dont commit .. time for a new start .. were rock bottom now so weve nothing to lose .. donie will hopefully come back next year .. refreshed into an improving setup .. its gonna be a long journey back

The future of small counties being competitive anymore .. hard to know where to even start .. id lkke to bite the bullet and see a two tier competition come in asap ..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 12, 2017, 08:24:15 PM
I dont think its such a bad thing donie leaving .. ............................... let sugrue develop a young team without the temptation of having to get it to donie every single time.

I think there is something in this. I would be thinking along the same lines. Our better performances and results over the last 4 or 5 years have generally come against middle of the road teams when Donie has been on fire. In Division 4 simply "Kicking it in to Donie" will work 80% of the time. It won't work against Kildare (if we get there).

In a perverse way, this might force our hand into STICKING with a more rounded game plan if things are not going perfectly from game to game in the league. And this is the way to go in the long term.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 12, 2017, 08:37:38 PM
Its a pity he cannot/wont commit. I have my suspicions on whats really going on but thats his own business and his own decision.
Itís almost like youíre transfer ing your emotions onto this forum.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on November 12, 2017, 09:04:13 PM
Its a pity he cannot/wont commit. I have my suspicions on whats really going on but thats his own business and his own decision.
Itís almost like youíre transfer ing your emotions onto this forum.
Old Laughlin "basketball"....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 12, 2017, 10:31:20 PM
While it is hearalded that we have the return of the old guard  (all great players for Laois in their prime).  This is a waste of time,  I know I will be hammered but unfortunately if Laois are to go forward these players will have to be dispensed with.  I will add they will never retire themselves and it will be ugly and that will never take from their legacy or commitment.  But for Laois it is time to move on

Would not think Donie is Old Guard Yet
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on November 12, 2017, 10:54:30 PM
While it is hearalded that we have the return of the old guard  (all great players for Laois in their prime).  This is a waste of time,  I know I will be hammered but unfortunately if Laois are to go forward these players will have to be dispensed with.  I will add they will never retire themselves and it will be ugly and that will never take from their legacy or commitment.  But for Laois it is time to move on

Would not think Donie is Old Guard Yet
You can't throw a bunch of new chaps out there without a few experience heads to help them.
I'd be loath to get rid of the 30 to 32 age group like Quigley, Begley, Strong, Donoher, Meaney, Conway, Timmons.
It would leave too many gaps in an already thin squad.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 14, 2017, 04:28:57 PM
Great to see the proud Laois players who have committed again this year, especially Ross. He is a credit to himself, his family and his club as are all the others who have given so much to the county.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/11/14/munnelly-commits-16th-season-laois-footballers/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 14, 2017, 06:46:38 PM
Hopefully I will be proved wrong but going with older players is not serving us well.  This same argument was thrashed out last year.  I am not questioning their commitment or legacy.  Just going forward what is there to gain from it a couple of wins early in the league before finding out that the legs are not what they were once the ground Firms up.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 14, 2017, 07:13:13 PM
Hopefully I will be proved wrong but going with older players is not serving us well.  This same argument was thrashed out last year.  I am not questioning their commitment or IM.  Just going forward what is there to gain from it a couple of wins early in the league before finding out that the legs are not what they were once the ground Firms up.
These lads are stepping up and given another year of serious commitment they are needed to bring on the younger player's. Name the lads to replace them there isn't exactly an abundance of talent out there but whatever there is im sure sugrue and his team have seen them with the 70 or so player's looked at over the trials the past month.
Lets actually get behind the team and management and not try racking up passive i told you so points
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 14, 2017, 10:31:40 PM
Look I hope I am wrong,  I like Sugrue as I feel it's a step in the right direction,  I just fail to see how we can improve in any major way, wIth pretty much the same personnel.  What ever the ability,  I think physiologically we are scarred beyond repair.   Maybe I want too much too fast.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 14, 2017, 11:05:59 PM
Look I hope I am wrong,  I like Sugrue as I feel it's a step in the right direction,  I just fail to see how we can improve in any major way, wIth pretty much the same personnel.  What ever the ability,  I think physiologically we are scarred beyond repair.   Maybe I want too much too fast.
Scarred beyond repair christ on a bike.
Every county go through a dark patch we are in  ours lets be positive and get through it. You must be great craic to have a  cup of tea with. Cheer up eoin Kearns a club man of yours is in there very positive fella.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 10:58:05 AM
Only my point of view,  there will be a million others who differ.   If we were all right all of the time the world would be a very boring place.  You seem very bullish on the set up, you either have a good line inside or are involved.  I wish you all in there the very best of luck.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 15, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
Only my point of view,  there will be a million others who differ.   If we were all right all of the time the world would be a very boring place.  You seem very bullish on the set up, you either have a good line inside or are involved.  I wish you all in there the very best of luck.
Im bullish as its a constant wave of negativity from the same old few on this forum and its tedious at this stage.
Im far from involved in the set up any info i have is common knowledge. The set up looks good no one is suffering from PTSD as your dramatic portrayal tries to paint.
Smile it doesn't hurt
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 15, 2017, 11:39:02 AM
Both viewpoints make sense but just let it pan out lads. I'm grateful to those who want to go in and give it a go. It's not an attractive proposition by any means, but an opportunity exists at such a low level to win something. f**k it I'd take anything at this stage.....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 15, 2017, 12:46:29 PM
I respect your opinion Ballyroan but to leave the likes of Timmons, Quigley, Conway, O Loughlin and all out would be ridiculous. We're not Kerry with an amazing underage coming up. That's not to say that we should only have the older players. Of course we should blood more younger talent if we can. That's just the common sense of it. It would be the worst decision to just leave those experienced players out when they're ready to commit and give their all hopefully. Not sure why it's up for debate really.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 04:27:23 PM
Our target this year is to get promotion out of Div 4, and have a promising run in the Leinster/Qualifiers.  Kerrys is to win an All Ireland,  I see where a lot of you are coming from and logically you make sense in the short term.  However I think we are in Sunderland mode that if we continue with the same personnel we will get the same results.  I just think Div 4 is a great place to be brave.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Give and Go on November 15, 2017, 06:06:03 PM
The internet is the curse of the modern age!
And I'm as guilty as anyone before I start!
Everyone has an opinion these days and it must be heard regardless of how offensive it is.

Martin O Neill and the the Irish Team are getting it in the neck now after losing heavily last night. Laois footballers have been subject to it constantly on social media since 2003.....that was the sixth title since the start of the GAA!!

We need to stop this constant barrage of criticism of players, coaches, officials and either support them or stay away and keep mouths shut and keyboards quiet!

It ain't right the way society has gone - all this 'opinion' is very hurtful and damaging to those involved. Paying an admission fee into a game doesn't bestow this entitlement to abuse and insult the voluntary efforts of Gaels in all our clubs and counties.

Best wishes to the team and management in 2018.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 15, 2017, 06:08:57 PM
There's brave and there's stupid.

Brave would be to debutise plenty of new blood mixed in with more experienced crew over the coming few years and gredually phase out the old guard.

Stupid would be to omit your top performers and most experienced who are willing to give it their all for the year.

Sorry but i still don't get your idea at all. If we let go of the likes of Timmons, Quigley, Donagher, Healy, John O' Loughlin, etc just because they're slightly over their top peak, we'll be planted in division 4 for years to come. I don't get this all or nothing idea. Clearly the smart thing to do is to blood new talent and retain the experienced players until they A: they retire or B: are not offering as much as the younger players. Unfortunately for us, nearly all of the younger players have a lot more developing to do.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 15, 2017, 06:26:34 PM
Imagine John O' Loughlin, one of Laois' best servants over the last 10+ years sent a text to John Sugrue "Looking forward to having a good go in 2018, glad you're the manager."

John Sugrue : "Sorry John, we're actually just playing with younger players this year."

I'd get your point Ballyroan if people were saying bring back Padraig Clancy at age 38 or whatever he is. But these lads around 29 to 31 have plenty of good years left in them. If we're looking at a 3 to 5 year plan, the likes of JOL, Healy etc have a a large part to play in that. Ideally the younger lads will make an impression in that time too. one does not exclude the other.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on November 15, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
Regardless of age it's up to John Sugrue and his management team to try get the best players in Laois to play and come up with a system to get the best out of them.

Using Ross as an example I saw a good lot of the club championship and he was one of the best forwards in the county. It's up to the younger lads in the county to step up, put pressure on the 'older lads' and give Surgue a welcome headache.

Has an u20 manager been sorted?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 07:19:06 PM
Tony your naming the players I was specifically general in this statement and every theory is open to examination you could be right on some players and wrong on others. 

Give & Go i don't think anyone was insulted
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 15, 2017, 08:03:01 PM
Fair enough Ballyroan.

Give and Go, not sure what you're posing about there. 99% of posts here are in good spirits and we're just talking about the sport we love. A couple of lads overstep the mark very occasionally. otherwise, the forum is very well meaning.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Give and Go on November 15, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
I suppose I am also referring to our habit of second guessing managers and players; engaging in constant speculation about decisions and motivations - more often than not done without factual basis. Here we are on about players he will or will not be including when in fact we have no idea what the management are thinking because they haven't made a public statement! Sometimes we are better to say nowt and stop adding to the swirl of rumour and innuendo that wafts around every county set up in the country!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 09:48:58 PM
Thats fair enough Give & Go, but I don't think we would have a forum if we did not have opinions. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on November 15, 2017, 10:15:28 PM
I would agree that no player should be discriminated against on the basis of his birth cert and I would be amazed if that turned out to be the case.

On the other hand, I really hope that the new management starts from the position that reputations are entirely irrelevant and if a young lad looks like he's doing better than the lad with the reputation, he's given his chance. Our best players last year included Alan Farrell and Eoin Buggie, neither of whom would have been given much credit when they came into the setup. Young lads like Evan O Carroll and Tom Shiel came into the squad under McNulty and did very well. Stephen Attride, who has become a very nice footballer, wasn't one of the big names when he came into the setup. I really hope that the best players are chosen regardless of their profile or reputation.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 10:31:40 PM
I would agree that no player should be discriminated against on the basis of his birth cert and I would be amazed if that turned out to be the case.

On the other hand, I really hope that the new management starts from the position that reputations are entirely irrelevant and if a young lad looks like he's doing better than the lad with the reputation, he's given his chance. Our best players last year included Alan Farrell and Eoin Buggie, neither of whom would have been given much credit when they came into the setup. Young lads like Evan O Carroll and Tom Shiel came into the squad under McNulty and did very well. Stephen Attride, who has become a very nice footballer, wasn't one of the big names when he came into the setup. I really hope that the best players are chosen regardless of their profile or reputation.


Well said Giovanni, a more balanced post than mine.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on November 15, 2017, 11:51:25 PM
losing the coin toss for the home venue for the first round of the leinster championship adds to the difficult year ahead....wexford park now becomes a very serious test.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on November 16, 2017, 12:09:52 AM
Venues confirmed for 2018 Leinster SFC ties
15 November 2017

O'Moore Park, Portlaoise.
O'Moore Park will play host to a Leinster SFC first round double-bill next year after the venues for a number of games were confirmed this evening.

After enjoying their best championship run in 73 years last summer, Carlow face Louth at the Laois county grounds which will also see the meeting of Offaly versus Wicklow on the same day.

In the other first round tie, Wexford have been awarded home advantage against Laois after winning a coin toss and so this clash will take place at Wexford Park.

Meanwhile, Longford will be at home in Pearse Park for their quarter-final encounter with Meath. It's a rare home draw for the midlanders in the provincial series but one that is 'subject to redevelopment work being satisfactorily completed'. If the redevelopment work at Pearse Park is not ready in time, then the game will be moved to Navan.

Dates and times for the games will be decided in due course.


Leinster SFC first round
Carlow v Louth, O'Moore Park
Offaly v Wicklow, O'Moore Park
Wexford v Laois, Innovate Wexford Park

Leinter SFC quarter-final
Longford v Meath, Pearse Par
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on November 16, 2017, 12:11:55 AM
The 2018 O'Byrne Cup draw has been made with holders Dublin being grouped alongside Offaly and Wexford.

Under the stewardship of Paul Clarke, the All-Ireland champions called on their reserves for this year's competition and ran out convincing winners when beating Louth in the final - 2-16 to 1-10.

They will have a bye in the opening round of the upcoming pre-season competition which will take on Saturday, 30 December.


2018 O'Byrne Cup draw:

Group 1
Dublin
Offaly
Wexford

Group 2
Kildare
Louth
Longford

Group 3
Meath
Carlow
Wicklow

Group 4
Westmeath
Laois

Dates: Dec 30, Jan 3, Jan 7. Semi-finals Jan 13/14. Final Jan 20/21.

Opening Fixtures: Offaly v Wexford, Louth v Longford, Wicklow v Carlow, Westmeath v Laois.

Format: Round robin with first placed team advancing to semi-finals. Westmeath and Laois play each other home and away with aggregate score deciding who tops Group 4.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on November 16, 2017, 10:18:11 AM
I heard after Donie got sent off v Port he made his mind up he was not playing for Laois in 2018

How true that is I don't know.

He is a massive loss but I think the door should be left open.

Hopefully him and John can come to some agreement .

Wexford away is now a tougher task .Even in the good times we have only won there by the skin of our teeth.

The O'Byrne cup playing Westmeath twice is a joke.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on November 16, 2017, 10:22:51 AM
A bit better news is i'm hearing Portlaoise might be commiting a few more players this year!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on November 16, 2017, 11:21:09 AM
It dosent make a difference if they commit their full population of 25,000 if Donie isn't playing 😂
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 16, 2017, 05:29:52 PM
Paying an admission fee into a game doesn't bestow this entitlement to abuse and insult the voluntary efforts of Gaels in all our clubs and counties.

Such an important point.
Certain people threatening for years (on here and on Laois Talk before that) to stop going to games if such and such didn't improve.
One lad said here last year that he wouldn't buy a county board ticket unless Laois County Board stepped in and banned somebody (Can't remember for the life of me what it was- but it was nonsensical).
Laughable stuff.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 16, 2017, 07:13:40 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 16, 2017, 07:30:21 PM
Keyser you are one of the more balanced posters on this forum, however I would very much hold middle ground on this point.  The payment of an admission fee , the purchase of county board ticket or membership of a club very much grants you the right to an opinion.  Whether that opinion is the general consensus is another thing but the rule of democracy is something a lot of clubs and counties ignore and the decisions of an inner cabal (of those who supposedly know best) trumps all.   We may not always agree with what every member says but they have the right to express it regardless.  There are of course lines in the sand with regards to slander or defamation of character but if someone has an opinion I would hope they could express it.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 16, 2017, 07:41:57 PM
Paying an admission fee into a game doesn't bestow this entitlement to abuse and insult the voluntary efforts of Gaels in all our clubs and counties.

Such an important point.
Certain people threatening for years (on here and on Laois Talk before that) to stop going to games if such and such didn't improve.
One lad said here last year that he wouldn't buy a county board ticket unless Laois County Board stepped in and banned somebody (Can't remember for the life of me what it was- but it was nonsensical).
Laughable stuff.

That was me and I didn't buy the ticket. It was over the drinking thing. Thankfully the episode taught me a valuable lesson, and that is there is no point in me spending my hard earned money on lads who are not as committed as their counterparts. Consequently, my expectations for Laois are now as low as it gets, so I won't be disappointed if I hear stories like that again. Personal choice and I don't see what there is to laugh at. I've invested plenty in Laois with little expectation and I continue to do as much as I can for my club. I will probably watch more of Laois footballers than most on here next year, but I am expecting very little. Hopefully I can be pleasantly surprised
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 16, 2017, 11:34:25 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 16, 2017, 11:36:41 PM
Keyser you are one of the more balanced posters on this forum, however I would very much hold middle ground on this point.  The payment of an admission fee , the purchase of county board ticket or membership of a club very much grants you the right to an opinion

Of course it grants you the right to an opinion.
It doesn't grant you ownership of the players or their perceived efforts.

I've seen posts on here basically saying "I wasted my hard earned cash going to watch them useless shower, I bought a ticket to support that useless shower etc, never will I again."
This, in my opinion(!!!), is a step too far. It's not the theatre, these are not actors.
Your financial support is both crucial and appreciated.
BUT
It does not grant you the right to berate and threaten to withdraw support for amateur players who (whether it comes to fruition or not) have put months of their own free time, without financial reward, into putting on a show that you have chosen to attend for your own entertainment.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 16, 2017, 11:39:49 PM
That was me and I didn't buy the ticket. It was over the drinking thing. Thankfully the episode taught me a valuable lesson, and that is there is no point in me spending my hard earned money on lads who are not as committed as their counterparts. Consequently, my expectations for Laois are now as low as it gets, so I won't be disappointed if I hear stories like that again. Personal choice and I don't see what there is to laugh at. I've invested plenty in Laois with little expectation and I continue to do as much as I can for my club. I will probably watch more of Laois footballers than most on here next year, but I am expecting very little. Hopefully I can be pleasantly surprised

1) I'm pretty sure it was a Ä130 County board Ticket? They are not on sale till January AFAIK, so I'm not sure how you managed to "not buy it".

2) You are deciding that Laois players (en masse?) are not as committed as who? How are you measuring this?

3) This is exactly the type of post that I cannot fathom. Lads supporting an amateur organisation/group of players with the expectations of a premier league fan base. All my opinion of course.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 17, 2017, 12:18:06 AM
I'm conscious that I don't want to start another sideshow with you, and in general, I respect what you're saying. I've made the choice not to commit financially to Laois because there is a lot that goes on that I disagree with. Way too much to go into in depth, but players drinking would be part of it. So I've informed the club that I won't be buying or selling the ticket for the foreseeable future. That's my choice and I'm happy enough with it. If lads want to drink and play football that's their business, but I don't believe that any county worth it's salt would tolerate that, and we did. Just my opinion and don't care who thinks if I'm right or wrong. We win nothing and we go nowhere with drinkers
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 17, 2017, 08:44:50 AM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 10:04:29 AM
I'm conscious that I don't want to start another sideshow with you, and in general, I respect what you're saying. I've made the choice not to commit financially to Laois because there is a lot that goes on that I disagree with. Way too much to go into in depth, but players drinking would be part of it. So I've informed the club that I won't be buying or selling the ticket for the foreseeable future. That's my choice and I'm happy enough with it. If lads want to drink and play football that's their business, but I don't believe that any county worth it's salt would tolerate that, and we did. Just my opinion and don't care who thinks if I'm right or wrong. We win nothing and we go nowhere with drinkers
You realise, in essence, its your club you're punishing, not Laois GAA?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on November 17, 2017, 10:15:46 AM
If it Sean Moore, it's not accurate. He's not leaving Ballyfin.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 10:17:04 AM
If it Sean Moore, it's not accurate. He's not leaving Ballyfin.
Cant see why he would. Be very strange, and disappointing if another club was trying to poach a player already at senior level.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 17, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
I'm conscious that I don't want to start another sideshow with you, and in general, I respect what you're saying. I've made the choice not to commit financially to Laois because there is a lot that goes on that I disagree with. Way too much to go into in depth, but players drinking would be part of it. So I've informed the club that I won't be buying or selling the ticket for the foreseeable future. That's my choice and I'm happy enough with it. If lads want to drink and play football that's their business, but I don't believe that any county worth it's salt would tolerate that, and we did. Just my opinion and don't care who thinks if I'm right or wrong. We win nothing and we go nowhere with drinkers
You realise, in essence, its your club you're punishing, not Laois GAA?

I do plenty for the club on a voluntary basis so I wouldn't just measure my contribution financially. Like most clubs in Laois, they too can have a fairly casual approach at Senior level. It honestly doesn't matter that much to me any more. I'd love to see us go well obviously, but there always seems to be a few rogues in the Laois set up and with that mindset, you can't expect too much
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laois fan on November 17, 2017, 11:03:39 AM
If it Sean Moore, it's not accurate. He's not leaving Ballyfin.
Cant see why he would. Be very strange, and disappointing if another club was trying to poach a player already at senior level.
where too plaois?hardly mountmelick.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 11:07:55 AM
I'm conscious that I don't want to start another sideshow with you, and in general, I respect what you're saying. I've made the choice not to commit financially to Laois because there is a lot that goes on that I disagree with. Way too much to go into in depth, but players drinking would be part of it. So I've informed the club that I won't be buying or selling the ticket for the foreseeable future. That's my choice and I'm happy enough with it. If lads want to drink and play football that's their business, but I don't believe that any county worth it's salt would tolerate that, and we did. Just my opinion and don't care who thinks if I'm right or wrong. We win nothing and we go nowhere with drinkers
You realise, in essence, its your club you're punishing, not Laois GAA?

I do plenty for the club on a voluntary basis so I wouldn't just measure my contribution financially. Like most clubs in Laois, they too can have a fairly casual approach at Senior level. It honestly doesn't matter that much to me any more. I'd love to see us go well obviously, but there always seems to be a few rogues in the Laois set up and with that mindset, you can't expect too much
So anyone who does something voluntarily for a Club is absolved of any fundraising requirements? Interesting approach.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 17, 2017, 11:22:17 AM
I do plenty of fundraising, mostly at juvenile level. I think in general, a lot of good and positive work goes on in Laois at underage level. The wheels come off after that.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on November 17, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
This poaching business sickens my arse . Surely they can find enough players in a town of 25,000 without having to poach off smaller clubs .bullshit
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 17, 2017, 12:45:39 PM
This poaching business sickens my arse . Surely they can find enough players in a town of 25,000 without having to poach off smaller clubs .bullshit
Who the hell said Portlaoise are after anyone!?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 17, 2017, 12:50:03 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 17, 2017, 03:34:59 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on November 17, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
Brendan Delaney Is that the umpire from stradbally? ???
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 17, 2017, 03:58:38 PM
Brendan Delaney Is that the umpire from stradbally? ???




No this man is from Park, and he would be a father of the twins.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 17, 2017, 06:02:13 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on November 17, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Sensational transfer request is in the pipeline i hear. It is jaw dropping but to be fair to the individual i cannot say anything further. Letting the name onto a public forum would probably allow grumblers to begin a campaign to immobilize the individuals chances of the transfer succeeding. I hear the chances of the transfer going through is almost 100% certain. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 17, 2017, 06:38:09 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Sensational transfer request is in the pipeline i hear. It is jaw dropping but to be fair to the individual i cannot say anything further. Letting the name onto a public forum would probably allow grumblers to begin a campaign to immobilize the individuals chances of the transfer succeeding. I hear the chances of the transfer going through is almost 100% certain.
You cant say who it is but can you say who it isn't.
Kingston brothers can you say its not them
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on November 17, 2017, 06:49:24 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Sensational transfer request is in the pipeline i hear. It is jaw dropping but to be fair to the individual i cannot say anything further. Letting the name onto a public forum would probably allow grumblers to begin a campaign to immobilize the individuals chances of the transfer succeeding. I hear the chances of the transfer going through is almost 100% certain.
You cant say who it is but can you say who it isn't.
Kingston brothers can you say its not them
Before this gathers momentum can i clarify this,i am referring to a solitary individual transfer being sought. Transfers to my knowledge can only be sought on an individual basis, not in group form.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 07:17:06 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Sensational transfer request is in the pipeline i hear. It is jaw dropping but to be fair to the individual i cannot say anything further. Letting the name onto a public forum would probably allow grumblers to begin a campaign to immobilize the individuals chances of the transfer succeeding. I hear the chances of the transfer going through is almost 100% certain.
Incredible to think Zach would be coming back, and to Stradbally no less, Jesus thatís unbelievable news.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Target Man on November 17, 2017, 07:22:55 PM
Well at least Zach to Stradbally would be jaw dropping. I'm not sure a Kingston transfer anywhere would even register mild surprise unfortunately
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on November 17, 2017, 10:17:56 PM
No a Kingston transfer wouldn't be a surprise but still big news.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 17, 2017, 11:38:56 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.

Was talking to one of the lad I know that was in for trials, Seemingly it's Brian Breen, I'd say he's only in to Ref the in house games, as he would be barely capable of that let alone any other task!!!

Well if we can't replace Donie's scores, We will be in a world of bother in the championship, as he scored the majority of our scores last year!!!!!!

On the transfer saga, are we looking at a big name down that side???




Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 18, 2017, 12:29:49 AM
Its fairly obvious that Monument Road wants it "out there" that this player/players is/are SEEKING a transfer.
The club they are seeking to transfer to ARE NOT, I repeat ARE NOT out looking for them to transfer.

Reminds me of a scene from Fr Ted
***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 18, 2017, 01:01:27 AM
Monument Road is a Josephs man  ? 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 18, 2017, 03:07:05 AM
I'll take a stab at Meaney to Josephs. Lives in the area and known to be unhappy with set up in Kilcruise. Just a guess but lacks the jaw drop factor. Kingstons to Athy would hardly loosen your jaw either. Kingstons to Kildare? You'd need surgery to mend that jaw. You gotta love the close season . Much better craic than the real thing
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 18, 2017, 08:34:54 AM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.

Was talking to one of the lad I know that was in for trials, Seemingly it's Brian Breen, I'd say he's only in to Ref the in house games, as he would be barely capable of that let alone any other task!!!

Well if we can't replace Donie's scores, We will be in a world of bother in the championship, as he scored the majority of our scores last year!!!!!!

On the transfer saga, are we looking at a big name down that side???
Ah brian breen na i doubt he is in reffing saw mousey moore myself doing a few of those matches he was moving well to be fsir. Thats Brian breen from o Dempseys i presume 2 good years under the belt promotion and leage pleasant to deal with from all accounts im guessing with PORT being in your username its local rivalry. Lets be positive give lads a chance before cutting the legs from under them
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Pablo Escobar on November 18, 2017, 11:02:11 AM
Kingston to Athy has been a rumour for a The last seven off seasons. Iíll believe it when I see it. Josephs involves in transfer rumours?? No way ! I know if I was a josephs man it would sicken my b***x. Itís basically telling your players ok your not good enough. We will bring in this other  fella.

Anyway does anyone have a list of lads training with Laois at the moment . I read today Ben Conroy is involved.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on November 18, 2017, 11:07:25 AM
Its fairly obvious that Monument Road wants it "out there" that this player/players is/are SEEKING a transfer.
The club they are seeking to transfer to ARE NOT, I repeat ARE NOT out looking for them to transfer.

Reminds me of a scene from Fr Ted
***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***
it's Saturday morning and I can't hold it back any longer...Cora Staunton to Kileen..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on November 18, 2017, 11:13:13 AM
Its fairly obvious that Monument Road wants it "out there" that this player/players is/are SEEKING a transfer.
The club they are seeking to transfer to ARE NOT, I repeat ARE NOT out looking for them to transfer.

Reminds me of a scene from Fr Ted
***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***
it's Saturday morning and I can't hold it back any longer...Cora Staunton to Kileen..

Brilliant!  ;D
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on November 18, 2017, 01:15:18 PM
Just tell us who the transfer is
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on November 18, 2017, 02:12:25 PM
No no donít tell us yet ...November is a horrible month keep it going till December
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 18, 2017, 03:44:30 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.

Was talking to one of the lad I know that was in for trials, Seemingly it's Brian Breen, I'd say he's only in to Ref the in house games, as he would be barely capable of that let alone any other task!!!

Well if we can't replace Donie's scores, We will be in a world of bother in the championship, as he scored the majority of our scores last year!!!!!!

On the transfer saga, are we looking at a big name down that side???
Ah brian breen na i doubt he is in reffing saw mousey moore myself doing a few of those matches he was moving well to be fsir. Thats Brian breen from o Dempseys i presume 2 good years under the belt promotion and leage pleasant to deal with from all accounts im guessing with PORT being in your username its local rivalry. Lets be positive give lads a chance before cutting the legs from under them


Promoting a senior team back to senior as a selector is hardly a massive achievement???

Not in anyway connected to local rivalry, but I just feel he lacks the caliber to be involved in any inter-county setup.


Will it effect our county team this transfer  ????


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 18, 2017, 03:50:29 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.

Was talking to one of the lad I know that was in for trials, Seemingly it's Brian Breen, I'd say he's only in to Ref the in house games, as he would be barely capable of that let alone any other task!!!

Well if we can't replace Donie's scores, We will be in a world of bother in the championship, as he scored the majority of our scores last year!!!!!!

On the transfer saga, are we looking at a big name down that side???
Ah brian breen na i doubt he is in reffing saw mousey moore myself doing a few of those matches he was moving well to be fsir. Thats Brian breen from o Dempseys i presume 2 good years under the belt promotion and leage pleasant to deal with from all accounts im guessing with PORT being in your username its local rivalry. Lets be positive give lads a chance before cutting the legs from under them


Promoting a senior team back to senior as a selector is hardly a massive achievement???

Not in anyway connected to local rivalry, but I just feel he lacks the caliber to be involved in any inter-county setup.


Will it effect our county team this transfer  ????
Ah that's fair enough thought he was a S and C coach doubt a lad with little experience would be a selector probably just giving a hand out. Anyone willing to go in and give a dig out with things they way they are has my respect best of luck to them all in there. Hopfully port get a few lads in there colm murphy might step up for donnie with a bit of coaching.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on November 20, 2017, 04:17:49 PM
John O'Loughlin to portlaoise?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on December 03, 2017, 08:21:28 AM
Great to see loads of new lads joining the panel this year, shows that we still have guys out there who want Laois football to improve. Best of luck to all involved...

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/12/03/number-new-players-mix-laois-footballers-prepare-new-season/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on December 05, 2017, 10:51:19 AM
Is this Donie K to Athy story anyway true?
Seems they want to add him to Cathal McCarron and make a real push for Kildare championship
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on December 05, 2017, 10:55:22 AM

McCarron should fit right in in Athy, hasn't he acclimatised nicely from his trips to Nass not so long ago.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on December 05, 2017, 12:56:31 PM

McCarron should fit right in in Athy, hasn't he acclimatised nicely from his trips to Nass not so long ago.
Kildare Town. He knows the lie of the land alright.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on December 05, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
Is this Donie K to Athy story anyway true?
Seems they want to add him to Cathal McCarron and make a real push for Kildare championship
not a hope in hell of donie joining Athy. .he will be back with the panel come springtime. ..he needed a break
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on December 05, 2017, 02:50:56 PM
Is this Donie K to Athy story anyway true?
Seems they want to add him to Cathal McCarron and make a real push for Kildare championship
not a hope in hell of donie joining Athy. .he will be back with the panel come springtime. ..he needed a break
Good. Just a rumour I heard.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Uisce on December 07, 2017, 09:12:57 AM
I hear there is upwards of 55 lads in with Laois at the minute, a good number of the Portlaoise lads in too. A good balance of youth and experience, will be interesting to see who makes the cut. I assume there will be a significant cull some time soon, good for lads to get exposure to the set up but must be a pain to manage training with that number!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on December 07, 2017, 11:32:02 AM
Does the 55 include the u20s Uisce? That new rule will be interesting whereby u20s can only play u20 or senior. Does anyone know if this is only for championship?

Any word on any challenge games?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on December 07, 2017, 12:13:27 PM
Playing some sort of 3 team tournament among themselves this weekend or next I think ...

Just shy of 60 in there and all turning in for every session.

David Conway calling it a day I hear....

McMahon and Donoher are considering retirement.

Rest are back apart from Donie....Brian Glynn from Portlaoise is in there and flying it I heard!

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on December 07, 2017, 12:21:56 PM
Playing some sort of 3 team tournament among themselves this weekend or next I think ...

Just shy of 60 in there and all turning in for every session.

David Conway calling it a day I hear....

McMahon and Donoher are considering retirement.

Rest are back apart from Donie....Brian Glynn from Portlaoise is in there and flying it I heard!
Not sure that's accurate in relation to Niall Donoher.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on December 07, 2017, 12:24:37 PM
I've always rated Glynn highly - he's a very intelligent footballer and has a good engine and decent pace. I think he could definitely do a job for us, at the very least as a squad player, but could have the potential to be in the starting 15 if he keeps showing as he's currently doing. Any update on Healy and his plans post injury?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on December 07, 2017, 02:56:51 PM
A shame Glynn was lost to Laois for so long, youíd wonder whether he can be the player he was capable of once upon a time. Probably not youíd imagine.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Heshs Umpire on December 18, 2017, 09:22:44 PM
A shame Glynn was lost to Laois for so long, youíd wonder whether he can be the player he was capable of once upon a time. Probably not youíd imagine.
What age would he be? 28, 29?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on December 19, 2017, 09:40:59 AM
A shame Glynn was lost to Laois for so long, youíd wonder whether he can be the player he was capable of once upon a time. Probably not youíd imagine.
What age would he be? 28, 29?
Played Minor 10 years ago, so in or around that bracket.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 19, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
Any ideas on what sort of team might appear against Westmeath on 30th?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on December 19, 2017, 12:26:58 PM
It will be very experimental I'd say with the league beginning early and many of the older players carrying knocks or out injured.

Be a case of looking at lads and how they compete at the higher level.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on January 14, 2018, 03:43:18 PM
I see where Mark Brehony of Sligo has retired from inter county. Him and Dermot Brady of Longford who did the same recently were the longest serving inter county players.
I wonder does the title pass to Ross this year?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 14, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Was there a certain someone back training this morning? ;)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 14, 2018, 04:18:16 PM
There was  8)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 14, 2018, 04:48:35 PM
I had a feeling it wouldn't take him long as his brother is still about.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on January 14, 2018, 04:51:52 PM
I believe the panel was to be finalised today after training, with possibly 12 cut. anybody hear anything
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on January 14, 2018, 05:45:08 PM
I believe the panel was to be finalised today after training, with possibly 12 cut. anybody hear anything
A bit unfair that some unnamed played strolls back this morning while a dozen lads get the bullet after bursting their holes for the last two months.
Anyway, if said player is good enough come the summer, I guess that's the measure.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 14, 2018, 05:57:25 PM
I hear what your saying but its not like he rocked up in the middle of the league. 2 weeks before the first match  and if imagine by johns form he will be running for quiet a while before kicking a ball . The last 2 months were an opportunity for fringe lads to put the hand up. Im sure the lads that did are there.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 14, 2018, 06:38:09 PM
I'm ok with him coming back, now. He's been training solidly in other sports. He hasn't been out drinking and shmoking etc all day everyday. He will be welcomed back and the games we played so far were really for the newcomers to show their worth. Donie has already shown his worth as our best player on his day, so for him to show up to trial matches could have meant another player wouldn't get a chance to start. Positive all round and great news for the year ahead if it seems like all are pulling in the right direction. Now all we need is Cahir back and I'll be smiling from ear to ear  ;D
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 14, 2018, 11:20:15 PM
What i heard thursday was true
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 14, 2018, 11:29:20 PM
What i heard thursday was true

Good News, huge addition to the panel.  Can't see anyone put out by Donie's return they all know his ability.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 09:40:03 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/14/breaking-massive-boost-laois-footballers-key-forward-returns/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 09:42:35 AM
Does anyone know if Paul Cahalane is involved in the panel this year. He was named earlier but haven't seen or heard of him being there since.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on January 15, 2018, 10:05:22 AM
Does anyone know if Paul Cahalane is involved in the panel this year. He was named earlier but haven't seen or heard of him being there since.
He is, yes.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 10:11:43 AM
That's great, we have a very strong panel this year so no reason why we can't get out of Division 4 and give the championship a really good rattle...
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 15, 2018, 10:24:39 AM
What i heard thursday was true
Gway...?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 15, 2018, 10:25:08 AM
That's great, we have a very strong panel this year so no reason why we can't get out of Division 4 and give the championship a really good rattle...

By what measure do we have a very strong panel? I would agree that they are bringing in the best players they can get in the county and have created good energy but surely we still have a significant deficit in terms of the number of quality players coming through?

My own opinion is that we have many years of development before we are competitive again. We may get out of Division 4 in 2018 but it is not a certainty. At best, we would be an average Division 3 team.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on January 15, 2018, 10:30:35 AM
Great to see Donie back. He has missed the initial hard slog of November/December training but maybe that's ok if everyone agrees. I did hear that Brendan Quigley is going to struggle to be fit for any of the league, Anyone else hear this.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 15, 2018, 10:45:02 AM
That's great, we have a very strong panel this year so no reason why we can't get out of Division 4 and give the championship a really good rattle...

By what measure do we have a very strong panel? I would agree that they are bringing in the best players they can get in the county and have created good energy but surely we still have a significant deficit in terms of the number of quality players coming through?

My own opinion is that we have many years of development before we are competitive again. We may get out of Division 4 in 2018 but it is not a certainty. At best, we would be an average Division 3 team.

Agreed. I don't see a lot to get excited about. There have been some good additions, but the foundations are very weak, particularly defensively and physically. I think it's best not to heap unnecessary pressure on Sugrue and the panel and let them find themselves.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 01:32:36 PM
I'm not getting excited about it I just think we have the strongest panel we could possibly have at this time of the year and we should be well able for Division 4 football. 
Our first games in the championship wouldn't be as hard as they could have been and we could get a bit of a run in the qualifiers if we do well in the league. It's a lot better than I was expecting it to be, I honestly thought we would lose half of last year's panel and be really struggling in the league.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 15, 2018, 04:13:03 PM
Plenty of lads cut I hear ....

Coss and Lutrell are gone for starters...

Hard on the 8-10 that were cut but the training etc they got will stand them in great stead for the rest of the year.

Who's to say they might not return .

I hear Quigley is out for 5 more weeks at least.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 15, 2018, 04:40:25 PM
I think it's best not to heap unnecessary pressure on Sugrue and the panel and let them find themselves.

Totally agree with High Fielder, here. Let's not put pressure on if we get a few bad results. Needs a lot of time and patience. Let the setup have an enjoyable atmosphere and we wont focus too much on results this year. We're really building but we can't expect to be world beaters in 2018. Very positive news coming from the camp though and looking forward to what should be an interesting 2018. Hopefully injuries remain low as we don't have huge strengh in depth at the moment unfortunately. Will be great to see what team emerge and are named for the league. As always, if I see we're trying 100% with what we've got, and giving things our best shot, I'll be delighted regardless of result.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 15, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
It shows the reality of Laois football at the moment when there is not too much out there to improve the county team.

From the names that were mentioned donw through the thread and those who saw game time against Westmeath what new players could realistically be given a starting jersey in 2 weeks?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on January 15, 2018, 07:11:47 PM
It shows the reality of Laois football at the moment when there is not too much out there to improve the county team.

From the names that were mentioned donw through the thread and those who saw game time against Westmeath what new players could realistically be given a starting jersey in 2 weeks?
Possibly Glynn. That's it though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 07:20:14 PM
Looking at these lads I think they'll put pressure on themselves, they will know they should be good enough to get out of this division as we will have almost the same squad as we had last year. But for some mad indiscipline and the width of an upright we would still be playing in Div3 so there's no reason we cant get back there fairly quickly.
I for one wont be looking for the managers head if we don't get results but I'd say the lads themselves will be disappointed if they don't at least get to a Div4 final
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 15, 2018, 07:21:19 PM
I reckon Sugrue will opt for experience in the first game.
Brody
Attride Timmons Kelly
Strong Begley Buggie
O'Loughlin Glynn
Donoher P Kingston Farrell
Munnelly O'Carroll Walsh

Positions could be interchangeable but something like that? Who else is in the running? Lowry? Lillis? Collins? Moore? Hardly start Donie?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 15, 2018, 09:09:48 PM
You won't be far off with that team SCFC. Only issue is that team is lacking pace around the middle. Could Evan do a job midfield alongside Johnno if he ups his work rate? Dillon should also start too, he had raw pace which we badly lack.

Any other corner back we could put in to release Attride around the middle?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 15, 2018, 09:21:09 PM
Kelly is out...had a few poor performances getting skinned at times

Delighted for Dowling and hope Collins is in too
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 15, 2018, 11:27:54 PM
It surprises me at times how highly rated some lads in Laois are. Often with very little justification. If John Sugrue has the ability to make lads work harder, he will do well. I look at some names here and in all honesty they don't strike me as team players . Their presence on any team puts so much pressure on our backs because they don't know how to tackle and don't work hard enough. We need to be smarter without the ball, hold onto it longer when we get it, and toughen the f**k up. Sounds simple, but it hasn't been the case for a long time now
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 15, 2018, 11:34:26 PM
I reckon Sugrue will opt for experience in the first game.
Brody
Attride Timmons Kelly
Strong Begley Buggie
O'Loughlin Glynn
Donoher P Kingston Farrell
Munnelly O'Carroll Walsh

Positions could be interchangeable but something like that? Who else is in the running? Lowry? Lillis? Collins? Moore? Hardly start Donie?

This looks a lot like the team that got us relegated from both Div 2 and 3. Personally, would like to see more pace and new faces.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on January 16, 2018, 08:35:16 AM
agree with blueandwhite1, the kelly lad corner back i think he is dropped off panel probably due to be roasted in stradbally. Aswell not sure about strong & donoher.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 16, 2018, 08:45:56 AM
Brody

Holland Timmons nerney
Collins Begley attride

Jol Evan

Farrel Kingston o Reilly

Munnely walsh Lowry



For freshness sake. Buggie out injured i hear


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 16, 2018, 09:23:44 AM
It surprises me at times how highly rated some lads in Laois are. Often with very little justification. If John Sugrue has the ability to make lads work harder, he will do well. I look at some names here and in all honesty they don't strike me as team players . Their presence on any team puts so much pressure on our backs because they don't know how to tackle and don't work hard enough. We need to be smarter without the ball, hold onto it longer when we get it, and toughen the f**k up. Sounds simple, but it hasn't been the case for a long time now

Exactly.....pace and work rate to be upped please

Thereís a team picked by parklife with jol and Evan this pair would be rolling around with each other in a headlock ....chawing each other about whoís tracking back....no tks

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 16, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
You won't be far off with that team SCFC. Only issue is that team is lacking pace around the middle. Could Evan do a job midfield alongside Johnno if he ups his work rate? Dillon should also start too, he had raw pace which we badly lack.

Any other corner back we could put in to release Attride around the middle?
I completely forgot Dillon and if as someone said Buggie is injured he'd fit in well there at 7.
And Collins instead of Kelly if he has been dropped from the panel.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on January 16, 2018, 10:23:53 AM
Brody

Holland Timmons nerney
Collins Begley attride

Jol Evan

Farrel Kingston o Reilly

Munnely walsh Lowry



For freshness sake. Buggie out injured i hear
In fairness this is probably close to the best available we have at the moment but, a lot of them wouldnt get close to a B selection a lot of other counties. IMO two of the above forwards are average defenders, one of the selected midfielders has never played there for his club. We are where are and it will take a new generation of footballers to get us back to even a mid section footballing county
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 16, 2018, 10:51:49 AM
It would be helpful to know what the full panel is after the cut.
I'm a bit supersized that Ross might be a starter at this point.

The priority in my view would be to introduce 10 replacement players over the next two years, winning div 4 with and old team and then struggling to remain in div 3 wouldn't represent progress. Now if we were to win it with say 7 or 8 new players now that would be something. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 16, 2018, 11:25:11 AM
The best thing that Sugrue could bring to the table is a change in attitude and work rate amongst the players along with structure and organisation. The main thing though is attitude. There are some decent footballers there if he gets them all working together.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 16, 2018, 01:14:54 PM
mmmm interesting team picked there by O'Moore Park-life


Brody

Holland Timmons nerney
Collins Begley attride

Jol Evan

Farrel Kingston o Reilly

Munnely walsh Lowry

Does that leave

Donoher
Strong
Lillis
Cahilane
Benny Carroll
Collins
Moore
Dillion
Glynn
Forbes
Dowling
Chris Finn
Piggot
Eoin Kehoe
Mcevoy Portlaoise
P Mcevoy Ballylinan
Ruari Fennell
Whelan- Ballyroan
Murray Rosenallis

Quigley -Injured -again will surely play some part if available

Buggie -Injured I hear

Conway -Injured -Probably play some part as he is so dedicated

Obv Kingston is back as well 

Thats 38 so I'm sure there is one or two on the above list gone?

Am I missing anyone



Or have some of these been cut...

From this page I have seen Coss ,Luttrell and Kelly have gone?


 

Who have we lost since last year?
Jamie Farrell ???-good club player dropped from panel last year

James Finn-abroad pity as he could have been a great option around the middle

Meaney-Not involved again we could do with him being around

McMahon-Retired?I'm not sure still be a nice option

Booth-Not involved??Not sure if he is up to the pace of it anymore but was okay early last year

Damien O'connor???-Good option in my opinion

A Doran????-Didn't do much last year despite gettin a lot of chances

Brian Daly???-Good talent don't know if he is in or out?

 








Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 16, 2018, 01:35:33 PM
I wouldnt shed any tears for Meaney.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 16, 2018, 02:47:19 PM
moore,coss,kelly,luttrell,forbes and Murray are gone

Kingston and O'Connor back in
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on January 16, 2018, 03:17:42 PM
Am I correct in saying that every player that Sugrue wanted to join the training panel has joined?


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 16, 2018, 04:09:20 PM
Any update on Healy lads?

Surprised Moore is cut. He has great potential but needs to work on getting physically teadyready for senior
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 16, 2018, 04:25:05 PM
moore,coss,kelly,luttrell,forbes and Murray are gone

Kingston and O'Connor back in

You sure about Moore and Forbes I heard different?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 16, 2018, 04:41:58 PM
Heard about Forbes. Not sure about moore but looking at it might not be a bad thing letting him play club and toughen up feed him the conditioning plans come back next year bit bigger and a bit of grit from club as he will be undoubtedly be man marked and targeted .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 16, 2018, 05:04:23 PM
Well i'm not 100% sure

My contact said those guys were cut

I would love to see Moore stay but he is just so light he is 2 years behind for sure
He needs 4kg right now mentally the step up has certainly affected his potency
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 16, 2018, 05:06:53 PM
Heard about Forbes. Not sure about moore but looking at it might not be a bad thing letting him play club and toughen up feed him the conditioning plans come back next year bit bigger and a bit of grit from club as he will be undoubtedly be man marked and targeted .

Looking at a few Ballyfin the last few years since he scored 3-5 in the intermediate final against Timahoe I think it was he has been a target since maybe he should stay the way he is a natrual gifted fast footballer...Yes he can work on his power but does everyone have to bulk up these days?

Offaly had three men on him in the u21s last year two marking him yes two and a sweeper in front!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 16, 2018, 05:15:01 PM
Somebody said Paul cahillane was Involved earlier in the forum, if so he would surely be pretty close to starting for the league?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 16, 2018, 06:57:56 PM
Somebody said Paul cahillane was Involved earlier in the forum, if so he would surely be pretty close to starting for the league?
Currently injured I believe
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on January 16, 2018, 08:26:29 PM
Is Colm Murphy still on the panel?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 16, 2018, 08:36:53 PM
Is Colm Murphy still on the panel?
Played under 21 with a cast id imagine he is in recovery mode. Heard he was doing laps a few weeks ago in OMP
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on January 16, 2018, 09:36:50 PM
Good to hear Colm is there very promising player possible starter this year. Is tom shiels around this year was a starter a few years ago. Plenty of injuries so  Murphy, Quigley, Strong? Timmons, Cahilane, Buggy, Conway, Booth? Conor Merdith would of been a good addition aswell.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 16, 2018, 11:30:04 PM
Tom Shiels was in the dugout with the team in Stradbally, wasn't togged out but he was there.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 17, 2018, 09:46:41 AM
Heard about Forbes. Not sure about moore but looking at it might not be a bad thing letting him play club and toughen up feed him the conditioning plans come back next year bit bigger and a bit of grit from club as he will be undoubtedly be man marked and targeted .

Looking at a few Ballyfin the last few years since he scored 3-5 in the intermediate final against Timahoe I think it was he has been a target since maybe he should stay the way he is a natrual gifted fast footballer...Yes he can work on his power but does everyone have to bulk up these days?


Offaly had three men on him in the u21s last year two marking him yes two and a sweeper in front!


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 17, 2018, 09:47:35 AM
Unlaoised do you realise the base that Moore is coming from?
The lad is very very light....now I know heavy weights and bulking up can be a negative but he needs some foundation for confidence alone if he is to be played at Senior

If in Dublin he would have a different physique and  performance not compromised IMO



Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 17, 2018, 10:00:42 AM
Am I correct in saying that every player that Sugrue wanted to join the training panel has joined?
Meredith? Not sure he's in.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 17, 2018, 03:21:07 PM
Forbes still involved and Healy has made no decisions yet . The dual option has been touted ..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 17, 2018, 03:38:23 PM
Now if we could just get Zack back... :)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 17, 2018, 04:08:56 PM
Forbes still involved and Healy has made no decisions yet . The dual option has been touted ..
Forbes is 100% gone
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 17, 2018, 04:44:17 PM
Now if we could just get Zack back... :)
Zeds dead baby. Zeds dead.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 17, 2018, 06:28:50 PM
Moore doesn't need to bulk in the sense that he'd need to lift weights like Arnold.

Rather, he needs to improve his S&C in terms of bursting through tackles and being able to retain possession. As someone rightly said, that is possible to do while retaining speed. Just look at the Dublin players from 20 - 23. Hopefully he'll be placed in the right hands and that talent can be harnessed correctly.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 17, 2018, 08:15:17 PM
You're bang on Tony, it's all about speed in the GAA now and hopefully this is an area Sugrue targets as we badly need to inject pace into the team.

Any challenge games this weekend?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 17, 2018, 10:05:31 PM
Jesus

He wonít be able to burst through the tackles he is that light

Thatís my point

Speed and power
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: mountrath1 on January 17, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
Wow loving the new concepts in fitness that ye are now relaying to us all. Bulking a lad and making him slow. .speed and power? ??. Firstly you will never make a lad slow by putting lean massg on him. Lean mass contains all the ingredients to making a person quicker (mitochondrial density= powerhouse=greater force output)..And unfortunately power is speed x strength. So therefore without bulk as ye may say ..he will never develop power persay to aid his development.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 17, 2018, 11:32:33 PM
Bejaysus........... physics was lost on me with the Bull Ryan.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 18, 2018, 01:48:25 AM
You can say what you like about bulk but Ross never regained the speed he had before he bulked up.

He was nippy, skilful but light and when he put on the strength he slowed down considerably.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 18, 2018, 10:43:25 AM
You can say what you like about bulk but Ross never regained the speed he had before he bulked up.

He was nippy, skilful but light and when he put on the strength he slowed down considerably.
Well I know next to nothing about S&C  but I think its got to do with body shape if you like and the 2 examples I like are Clancy and Ross  before and after McNulty.
I think all will agree that before they were being thrown around the place by most teams,  Clancy never bulked up but BJ was he strong and I remember Ross hitting that Meath corner back a clatter in Tullamore and their supporters whinging about it for a week after  :D
Were they better players after ..... absolutely  IMO.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 18, 2018, 11:19:11 AM
Attride appointed captain again with JOL and Brody vice captains.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 18, 2018, 11:49:03 AM
Any word on the final panel yet? I would assume names etc would have to be forwarded to the gaa at this stage with the league opener just over a week away.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 18, 2018, 12:14:30 PM
I heard a lot of players have left the Limerick panel ( not wanting to make the commitment 4 or 5 night plus GYM ) will probably have a lot of young players our.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 18, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
Limerick have been doing savage work I heard but as a previous poster has said some of the lads are getting very pissed off with toll its taken...

I have a Cousin in UL who is friends with a player on the panel its none stop two lads have packed it in.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 18, 2018, 01:17:42 PM
Building strength does not mean reducing speed.

Just look at any top level sprinter - they are absolutely built, yet the fastest people in the world.

If being skinny made you fast, Usain Bolt and co would look like a skinny marathoner - but they're built.

Case closed.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 18, 2018, 03:43:43 PM
It's sort of tragic the way in Laois we think that has to be one thing or the other.

Dublin are fast and physical and skillful and play to a rigid gameplan and are creative and focus on their pipeline coming through. No point in choosing one thing to focus on, you have to have it all to be competitive.

Our problem is that we are neither fast nor physical nor particulary skillful nor play to any gameplan yet.

In our best days we had speed and skill but got passed out by teams who added physicality and structure.

Can't make a good cake without all the ingredients in sufficient quantities.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 18, 2018, 03:45:33 PM
Myth: Lifting weights will bulk you up, which hinders your speed/agility.

Fact :Try to build lean muscle by lifting less weight but performing more reps. You can always grow stronger without compromising your mobility. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on January 18, 2018, 10:10:52 PM
I miss the days the Laois teams and games used to excite me our players were house hold names known the length and breath of the country...nowadays itís silly chat about SnC and all the excuses that roll with it...god I miss the good old days
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 18, 2018, 11:07:35 PM
Nail on head moment Town. Fair play to them, all of them, for giving up their time and putting the hard work in. But there's a pointlessness to this, and to the GAA, that is hard to ignore. You can't blame those Limerick lads in all honesty. It will come the day when a county can't field a team. The sooner the better in my opinion because no sport worth its name can exist with such imbalances.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 19, 2018, 07:52:50 AM
I think we're getting to a point (within the next 5 to 10 years) where you either pay the inter county players for their time, or you lose them in droves. It's getting to the point where you have to commit 5 or 6 training sessions per week, just to be somewhat competitive. It's not sustainable.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on January 19, 2018, 08:57:01 AM
For me the inter county scene is pretty much dead and buried for teams outside the top 8 under the current structure.

No excitement, no buzz anymore and we have players expected to devote their lives to this and all they get is failure and endless abuse. Anyone that commits fully to the regime and represents Laois is a credit to the county.

 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 19, 2018, 09:55:24 AM
For me the inter county scene is pretty much dead and buried for teams outside the top 8 under the current structure.

No excitement, no buzz anymore and we have players expected to devote their lives to this and all they get is failure and endless abuse. Anyone that commits fully to the regime and represents Laois is a credit to the county.

But the answer to the problem is there in front of us.

Senior
Intermediate
Junior

10 teams in each grade or thereabouts, each county can have one team only.

But will our pride allow it........doubt it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 19, 2018, 10:01:33 AM
I have been somewhat critical at times ....but I have to agree with The Kid

These guys are putting in major effort and I hope they do really well and derive real satisfaction for the effort put in

Completely understandable if the head drops with expectations in counties
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 19, 2018, 10:04:02 AM
I miss the days the Laois teams and games used to excite me our players were house hold names known the length and breath of the country...nowadays itís silly chat about SnC and all the excuses that roll with it...god I miss the good old days
I miss Bosco, he was great fun. I miss the good old days, before mortgages and kids and work.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 19, 2018, 11:29:33 AM
Ben Conroy still with the footballers lads?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 19, 2018, 11:40:51 AM
Ben Conroy still with the footballers lads?
Back with the hurlers these past few weeks.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 19, 2018, 11:59:31 AM
Playing Louth Sunday somewhere in the big smoke!

I heard Louth beat Kildare in a recent game!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 21, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
One of the reasons why Donie is back...
http://hoganstand.com/Laois/article/index/280120?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 22, 2018, 10:23:56 AM
Playing Louth Sunday somewhere in the big smoke!

I heard Louth beat Kildare in a recent game!

Did this go ahead? Anyone got a report if so.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Joeythelips on January 22, 2018, 10:54:10 AM
For me the inter county scene is pretty much dead and buried for teams outside the top 8 under the current structure.

No excitement, no buzz anymore and we have players expected to devote their lives to this and all they get is failure and endless abuse. Anyone that commits fully to the regime and represents Laois is a credit to the county.

But the answer to the problem is there in front of us.

Senior
Intermediate
Junior

10 teams in each grade or thereabouts, each county can have one team only.

But will our pride allow it........doubt it.

Its getting to that point alright, but the Tommy Murphy cup was basically an intermediate championship but counties did not want it. They all at least want some kind of crack at Sam no matter how unrealistic. There really needs to be some kind of seeding introduced, run league and provisional championships off separately for example and work out the seedings based on results of these (so both competitions are not dead rubber, there is seeding to play for as well as silverware). Bottom half counties go into a knockout comp say 'Tommy Murphy' cup of some such name, top half play for Sam but winners of Tommy get added before qf stage. That way technically everyone has a crack at Sam. Might be nightmare fixture wise but you get the overall gist. Would have lots of good games and all games have something on the line.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 22, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
I think long term the GAA have two workable choices. They could go professional and create 8 to 10 franchises and let the rest play on as we do now in an amateur sport. Obviously those who are playing professional can't play in the amateur competitions. It would be very much along the lines of American Football with the amateur codes being used as a draft if wanted. I honestly believe there is no future for the GAA unless it introduces pay for play, and while counties like ours would never be able to do this, it would at least be something to aspire to for good up and coming youngsters in any county. Let's be honest, Dublin are at the level of a franchise (or not far off anyway) already.

Another way could be to scrap the Provincial Championships and have an FA Cup style All Ireland with more emphasis put on the league

Or, we could just keep plodding along and have pundits telling Leitrim Laois and Carlow you get out what you put in, You too can be as good as Dublin if you just train hard enough....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 22, 2018, 04:05:09 PM
'A lot was expected from me after my debut'




https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0118/934386-a-lot-was-expected-from-me-after-my-debut/


Manager Sugrue provides update on returning star forward
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/22/manager-sugrue-provides-update-returning-star-forward/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 22, 2018, 05:14:02 PM
For me the inter county scene is pretty much dead and buried for teams outside the top 8 under the current structure.

No excitement, no buzz anymore and we have players expected to devote their lives to this and all they get is failure and endless abuse. Anyone that commits fully to the regime and represents Laois is a credit to the county.

But the answer to the problem is there in front of us.

Senior
Intermediate
Junior

10 teams in each grade or thereabouts, each county can have one team only.

But will our pride allow it........doubt it.

Its getting to that point alright, but the Tommy Murphy cup was basically an intermediate championship but counties did not want it. They all at least want some kind of crack at Sam no matter how unrealistic. There really needs to be some kind of seeding introduced, run league and provisional championships off separately for example and work out the seedings based on results of these (so both competitions are not dead rubber, there is seeding to play for as well as silverware). Bottom half counties go into a knockout comp say 'Tommy Murphy' cup of some such name, top half play for Sam but winners of Tommy get added before qf stage. That way technically everyone has a crack at Sam. Might be nightmare fixture wise but you get the overall gist. Would have lots of good games and all games have something on the line.

Each county wants to have a crack at  Sam ..... that the part I don't get and I agree with you that's what  they want in football not so in hurling. if you relate that to county championship junior clubs don't expect or demand a crack at the senior championship. I'd say junior clubs are quite happy to play and compete at or near their own level.
Lets be honest the football league starting this w/e is a much more interesting competition because we are playing at our own level.

Is it eleven years since we won 2 games in the championship  ?? and that's when we had a good team.

 A crack at Sam !!!  for the birds.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 23, 2018, 03:38:09 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/23/laois-senior-football-panel-confirmed-2018/ (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/23/laois-senior-football-panel-confirmed-2018/)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 23, 2018, 03:45:12 PM
Good to see so many from portlaoise but I think a few of them might struggle for game time!

Suprised at young Kelly and Moore thought these two have what it takes especially when the weather gets a bit better!


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 23, 2018, 04:30:14 PM
Suprised at young Kelly and Moore thought these two have what it takes especially when the weather gets a bit better!
They haven't been taken out and shot or anything. Both will benefit far more following a program and playing a few games, rather than getting splinters up their holes sitting on benches in shitholes like Carrick and Aughrim.

Truth be told, thats quite a weak panel. Sugrue will have a job on his hands, but we all knew that. If they commit to him, he'll knock a tune out of them. Sacrifice of the individual for the collective. I think he has a group there that will do that. Patience from the few supporters we have left is whats called for now.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 23, 2018, 04:39:34 PM
Disappointed for some of the guys hope they take opportunities that will arise over the coming months
Thrilled for Danny o Reilly ,Benny,Dowling,Donogher and Fennel,Piggott too like his attitude.... lets hope they are given further chances to shine
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 23, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
It's probably the best panel that we could have hoped for. Every player in the county that was interested was sent forward and culled at the later stages. I heard from a good source that the players are very happy with John Sugrue and that the morale is high. Fitness will definitely not be an issue for us this year. On another none Eoin Lowry hit 1-7 for UCD against Maynooth, could be a potential starter for the league
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 23, 2018, 06:56:39 PM
Any update on the u20 management?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 23, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
It's a good panel. The only main loss that I can see is Cahir Healy, who I really hoped would be on the panel this year. But having said that I know he's had a fair few injuries and is still currently injured I believe, and he's away most of the time. Hopefully the likes of Holland, Glynn and Dillon can make the transition from club player / squad member to starting player as I really think they have a lot to offer with an inter county programme behind them. Dillon in particular hasn't been a regular with Laois but with his pace and experience, I'd like to see him in the starting 15. Without injuries, my pick would be something like this:


Brody,

Holland, Timmons, Attride,

Glynn, Begley, Dillon,

JOL, Quigley,

P Kingston, E O' Carroll, Donoher,

Walsh, D Kingston, Eoin Lowry.

Near starters: Farrell, O Connor, Booth, Strong, Cahilane, Buggie, Shiel.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 09:47:46 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/24/laois-manager-offers-advice-cut-ballyfin-forward-moore/

Outstanding management and advice. We've got a good one here guys, mark my words.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 24, 2018, 10:27:25 AM
Not often I agree with you, but so far so good.  Donie back is huge but on Sugrue's terms is quite a feat.  Moore hopefully will make the breakthrough at some point. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 10:42:00 AM
Not often I agree with you, but so far so good.  Donie back is huge but on Sugrue's terms is quite a feat.  Moore hopefully will make the breakthrough at some point.
For once we appear to be managing a young talent properly. Instead of Donie Brennan being sent out to stand beside Francie Bellew for 70 minutes back in the day.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 24, 2018, 10:53:41 AM
And no one can query whay he isn't involved because Sugrue has communicated in the correct manner. Far better that the chap knows where he stands as opposed to sitting and waiting/hoping.

All anyone wants is honesty and effort. Refreshing after some of the bluff and bluster we've had. The next thing is to have us playing like the galactico's
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 11:19:35 AM
What is the criteria for entering a Junior team. It looks like a lot of lads are going to miss out, and along with those culled, could we have the makings of a Junior team? I'm not sure how it works to be honest
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 11:26:37 AM
Not a big criteria I'd imagine given we haven't entered one in years, and we're a Division 4 county now.

Question is, are Clubs happy to let players off to play in it. Back in the day when we had oodles of players coming out of minor and u21, the feeling was these lads were better off back with clubs rather than more county football at that grade. There might be something in it now though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 24, 2018, 12:23:36 PM
Zilch interest in it unfortunately.
I can't imagine Mountmellick would be happy to see Coss on a junior squad if it meant he couldn't play league games with them. Same goes for Luttrell, O'Sullivan, Moore, Kelly and their clubs
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 12:35:27 PM
Zilch interest in it unfortunately.
I can't imagine Mountmellick would be happy to see Coss on a junior squad if it meant he couldn't play league games with them. Same goes for Luttrell, O'Sullivan, Moore, Kelly and their clubs
Let them play league games though. I doubt the Junior would cause too many issues, wouldnt be major training for it, unless you got to a Leinster or All Ireland, and then, you're in a Leinster or All Ireland.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 24, 2018, 12:36:29 PM
Anyone know why Forbes was cut?

He seemed to show well enough in the Westmeath games from reports.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 01:03:38 PM
Forbes, Moore, O'Sullivan, Kelly and their likes won't develop one bit in club league football. A better way needs to be found. I suggested the Junior football thing because it's better by far than discarding them. We have to find an avenue for lads who want to be in there.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 01:12:42 PM
Forbes, Moore, O'Sullivan, Kelly and their likes won't develop one bit in club league football. A better way needs to be found. I suggested the Junior football thing because it's better by far than discarding them. We have to find an avenue for lads who want to be in there.
Cant the lads develop themselves? I imagine a query to management about what they need to work on would get a positive response. And why cant they develop in club league? Why can't they go out and rip it up? Any self respecting club player will up his game if a lad is ripping him or his side to shreds. Do we need to handhold everyone nowadays?
Back in the day Bernard Flynn (p***k), would have a bag of balls in the boot of his car to go kick about in any field he encountered. Maurice Fitz, still, to this day, goes down to St Marys twice a week to kick frees. Paidi O Se would take it upon himself to run himself into the ground below in Ceann Tra.
I'm not against the junior idea, but a bit of personal responsibility wouldn't go astray either.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 01:39:38 PM
Most counties have Junior teams. Why would we not? Of course they could develop on their own, but my preference would be to keep them involved. Go back to the club and you're largely out of the loop
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 01:42:45 PM
Hit the nail on the head Don. If lads are good enough to improve and want to improve they will improve and put in the work. If they are not willing to do that then tough luck.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
And as regards out of the loop? Well if lads are playing well for their clubs during the league( which most aren't) they are still in the eyes of the Laois setup.and if they are not able to play well for their club well they don't really deserve to be involved anyway? Be it club or county the cream will always rise to the top.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
So why do most counties have Junior teams? For craic?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 01:50:21 PM
Most counties have Junior teams. Why would we not? Of course they could develop on their own, but my preference would be to keep them involved. Go back to the club and you're largely out of the loop
So why do most counties have Junior teams? For craic?

Many don't actually. Its a dying competition in fact. Again, I would be in favour of entering it, but dont get carried away thinking its any great development opportunity. You could play one game and be out on your hole again. How involved would they be then? Also there's the cost element of it, not to be ignored.

FYI this is last years Leinster JFC, 5 counties took part.
LEINSTER JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
24th May Ė Meath (2-18) Kildare (1-19)
24th May Ė Louth (2-11) Longford (0-15)
7th June Ė Louth (2-11) Wicklow (0-10)
7th June Ė Meath (1-17) Wexford (0-10)
25th June Ė Meath (0-19) Louth (0-10)

Here's Munster
2017 Munster Junior Football Championship
Round                  Date   Venue   Referee   Report
SF      Cork   3-21   Waterford   0-9   27/5   Fraher Field Dungarvan   Sean Lonergan (Tipperary)   Click here
SF      Kerry   0-26   Limerick   0-6   11/6   Cusack Park Ennis   John Hannan (Clare)   Click here
Final      Kerry   4-24   Cork   3-20   27/6   Pairc Ui Rinn (AET)   Sean Lonergan (Tipperary)   Click here

This is 2018 for Connacht, where in fairness, only Roscommon seem to not enter.
Connacht GAA Junior Football Championship 2018         
Preliminary Round   Wednesday 2nd May   Mayo   Roscommon   tbc         
Semi-Final   Wednesday 9th May   Leitrim   Winner of Prelim Rd   tbc         
Semi-Final   Wednesday 9th May   Galway   Sligo   tbc         
Final   Sunday 13th May   Winner of Semi-Final 1   Winner of Semi-Final 2

Ulster haven't had one since 1986.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 01:54:15 PM
Where we are, the counties who have all passed us by have one. I can't believe it would weaken us. Financially maybe, and I accept that
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
They haven't passed us by because we don't have a Junior side. That's like saying they should have turned on the lights on the Titanic. All well and good, but it wasn't going to stop the ship from sinking.
I believe the players can still develop on their own if they are determined to. I very much believe Sugrue will have assured them of that too. If he hasn't, then they can double down and decide to f**king show him, and come back stronger.
Or they can lie down, and bitch about it down the local with their mates.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 02:02:41 PM
You started off saying a Junior team was a good idea. Now you're not so sure. You'd argue with your own shadow

I can't see what harm a Junior team would do. In my opinion, it's better than going back to a very mediocre standard of football, which is what League football in Laois is. It's hard enough to motivate lads for that, never mind doing so off the back of full commitment to Laois
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 02:10:00 PM
You started off saying a Junior team was a good idea. Now you're not so sure. You'd argue with your own shadow
A junior team IS a good idea. Its just not the solution to any real problem. You think it's the silver bullet. You think every county that passed us out is because they have junior teams. I simply proved it wasn't. Fine, it couldn't do any harm. But, if we lose the first round, the players will still be back with their clubs, so it really won't take us anywhere tangible.
Tangible growth  will come from the players knuckling down and taking their own development into their own hands. If they require further and greater assistance, I firmly believe direction would be forthcoming from the management. But personal responsibility will go a long way.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 02:14:34 PM
I never argued that it was the panacea, just that it was a good idea. I've always thought it and always will. It makes no sense to have 41 players fighting for 15 places. You might as we let everyone in as discard 7 or 8.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
I never argued that it was the panacea, just that it was a good idea. I've always thought it and always will. It makes no sense to have 41 players fighting for 15 places. You might as we let everyone in as discard 7 or 8.
There's not 41, there's 35. Six players are currently injured, and replacements for them are required until they are fit and available to fight for their own place. And thats not counting Donie, who is weeks away from fitness.
Most counties will carry a panel of 30+.
You can't have everyone in there, and it does lads no favours to have them sitting on their holes, when they could be getting match practice with their clubs. Also its unfair to the clubs to have 50 players in a county panel. Also a 50 man county panel would be insane for any number of reasons.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 02:20:44 PM
Not if you had a Junior team. Just saying
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 02:22:25 PM
Go sell crazy some place else, we're all stocked up here.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 02:29:34 PM
What's crazy about it? Most counties around us are doing it. If the numbers are there, it makes sense. If they weren't, it wouldn't.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 24, 2018, 02:31:55 PM
Looks like Begley Strong Donoher Timmons Lillis will all not make the team sunday.....

Add Quigley and O connor to that who are injured....Its going to be a very young side!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 24, 2018, 02:41:10 PM
Yes it certainly will be a different looking 15 . Can Munnelly starting with Glynn at full back and Timmons at centre back judging by training this week .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
Would anyone on this forum have any idea how good Limerick or Waterford footballers would be ?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 24, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
Looks like Begley Strong Donoher Timmons Lillis will all not make the team sunday.....

Add Quigley and O connor to that who are injured....Its going to be a very young side!
are the first 5 injured? If not, why would he not use their experience?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 24, 2018, 06:21:27 PM
how good are limerick footballers?

well in the munster championship last year, Limerick ran Clare to the pin of their collars, losing by one point....the same Clare team that travelled to Portlaois for the qualifiers and made a laugh of Laois.
9/2 Limerick for this game against a rebuilding Laois is an insult. I would happily take a one point win this minute and move on. We have got into a very bad habit of losing, these last two years and there is no guarantee we will snap out of it in division 4.

I think limerick plus 5 points with boyles is some bet.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 06:43:45 PM
Yeah but are Limerick not down a few guys this year ?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 24, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
2 limerick veterans have retired...regular full back McCarthy and buckley who was a sub for most of last season. 14 of the 15 that started against clare in the championship in ennis are available for selection...in effect they have nearly a full squad at their disposal.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 10:25:32 PM
Is the Limerick centre back/ captain not on Army duties ?? Corbett I think?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on January 24, 2018, 10:44:33 PM
Limerick manager Billy Lee has named a 33-man squad ahead of next Saturday's Allianz Football League Division 4 opener against Laois.

The panel shows a number of changes from last year with Monaleen's Donal O'Sullivan taking over the captaincy from Iain Corbett, who will miss the league due to a tour of duty with the Irish army in Lebanon. Sean O'Dea and Paul White are the vice-captains.

Limerick (Allianz Football League panel): Shane Doherty, David Connolly, Davy Lyons and Robbie Bourke (all Adare), Jim Lison, Tommy Griffin and Colm McSweeney (all Gerald Griffins), Daniel Daly, David Ward and Eoin Joy (all Fr Caseys), Donal O'Sullivan and Shane Cusack (both Monaleen), Paul White and Mickey Morrissey (both Rathkeale), Tony McCarthy and Peter Nash (both Kildimo-Pallaskenry), Garett Noonan and Cillian Fahy (both Dromcollogher-Broadford), Darragh Treacy and Sean McSweeney (both St Kierans), Patrick Begley and Killian Ryan (both Mungret), James Brouder (Mountcollins), Sean O'Dea (Kilteely-Dromkeen), Brian Fanning (Pallasgreen), Edward Sheehy (Granagh-Ballingarry), Josh Ryan (Oola), Seamus O'Carroll (Castleknock, Dublin), Jamie Lee (Newcastle West), Padraig Scanlon (Glin), Padraig De Bruin (Firies, Kerry), Danny Neville (Ballysteen), Kieran Daly (Na Piarsaigh).
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on January 24, 2018, 10:52:56 PM
Limerick team v Clare 2017
LIMERICK: Donal Oí Sullivan, Daniel Daly, Johnny McCarthy, SeŠn OíDea, Paul White, Iain Corbett (C), Brian Fanning; Darragh Treacy, David Ward; Peter Nash, James Naughton, Garrett Noonan; Seamus OíCarroll, Danny Neville, Ger Collins
Subs: Josh Ryan for Ward (42), SeŠn McSweeney for Nash (46), Jamie Lee for Naughton (57), Tony McCarthy for Daniel Daly (60), Padraig Scanlon for Collins (62), Padraig Quinn for OíCarroll (67).
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 25, 2018, 10:59:09 AM
Make no mistake Limerick will be a big test considering where we are coming from .Saying that 16 players that were on last years panel are no longer involved with half of there panel this year facing into inter-county football for the first time ! That's a major transition if there ever was one .
Didn't see Ian Ryan's name on that panel ..? Good potent forward over the years .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 25, 2018, 11:59:12 AM
Limerick have a very young outfit out - light and pacey. It'll be a tough test but if we have an experienced team named, I think that experience will stand to us. Would like to see our team named before making a prediction though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 25, 2018, 02:05:40 PM
We would also like to see the Limerick team named too Tony before making a prediction 😂
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 25, 2018, 02:19:15 PM
Donal OíSullivan Monaleen (Captain)
Gareth Noonan Dromcollogher Broadford.
Sean OíDea Kilteely Dromkeen
David Connolly Adare
Paul White Rathkeale
Cillian Fahy Dromcollogher Broadford
Jim Liston Gearld Griffins
Darragh Treacy St Kieranís
Brian Fanning Pallasgreen
Daniel Daly Fr Caseys
Peter Nash Kildimo Pallaskenry
Danny Neville Ballysteen
Tony McCarthy Kildimo Pallaskenry
Padraig Scanlon Glin
Jamie Lee Newcastle West

James Brouder Mountcollins 17. Shane Doherty Adare 18. Edward Sheehy Granagh-Ballingarry 19. Colm McSweeney Gerald Griffins 20. David Ward Fr Caseys 21. Tommy Griffin Gerald Griffins 22. Seamus OíCarroll Castleknock 23. Robbie Bourke Adare 24. Sean McSweeney St Kieranís 25. PŠdraig De Brķn Firies 26. Kieran Daly Na Piarsaigh

14 of them are from Senior Clubs. Theyíre very young and in a very similar position to us. Ryan isnít involved.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 25, 2018, 02:23:40 PM
Anyone from Limerick want to shed some light on this team?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: LooseCannon on January 25, 2018, 05:40:38 PM
Make no mistake Limerick will be a big test considering where we are coming from .Saying that 16 players that were on last years panel are no longer involved with half of there panel this year facing into inter-county football for the first time ! That's a major transition if there ever was one .
Didn't see Ian Ryan's name on that panel ..? Good potent forward over the years .

Ryan is gone to the Lebanon on a tour of duty with the army.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 25, 2018, 09:34:44 PM
Some amount of league debutants in the 15 named. A new era has certainly begun. Best of luck to them all.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 25, 2018, 09:44:34 PM
Yup, lot of new faces, no harm though, ideally we can't afford to be experimenting when we are looking to get promotion but we've ignored it for a long time. I would imagine the next game will see a few more changes again
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on January 25, 2018, 09:52:11 PM
Just seen the laois team for the weekend definitely a totally new team and set up best of luck to John and his team for the weekend Iím looking forward to the game
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 25, 2018, 10:13:57 PM
Is it a secret
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 25, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
Brody

Holland, Nerney, Fennel,

Collins, attride, clowrey,

J'OL and O Reilly,

Farrell, Paul K, Glynn,

Lowry, Walsh, Dowling
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on January 25, 2018, 10:31:59 PM
That seems a very brave team selection. I hope it goes very well for them. I think he is right because in my opinion, building a new team is more important than promotion in Sugrue's first year.

I hope his bravery is rewarded with a win.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 25, 2018, 10:34:12 PM
Thanks, brave team to go with looks like heís going to build a new team regardless.

Best of luck we really need this to work out.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: theoldvet on January 25, 2018, 10:49:10 PM
Fair play to the Manager, A big risk
Win or Lose  I like it,
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 25, 2018, 11:01:48 PM
Outstanding. There'll be bumps and pitfalls along the way, but this needs doing, and they need to be backed. Good man John.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laois fan on January 26, 2018, 08:56:50 AM
While im all for introducing new players ,id be slightly worried about playing so many at the one time especially in the backline
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 26, 2018, 09:43:10 AM
He's hanging his hat on these new faces. Good luck to him. It will probably suffice against limerick and he will learn who is up to the step up and who is not.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 26, 2018, 11:14:08 AM
I agree Don, if it goes wrong we are going to have to man up behind Sugrue.  What he is trying to do is ballsy,  but could go badly wrong.  Fingers crossed that all goes well as it's high risk stuff. 

Exactly what constitutes a good year this year for Sugrue ?  Thoughts please
Personally Decent Showing Div 4 hopefully promotion
Championship Leinster Semi and be in the game with Kildare regardless of result

Most important Green Shoots
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on January 26, 2018, 11:31:08 AM
i hope john does well results are what defines managers so please god he gets off to a winning start,,it wont be easy but i act dont know one person on that limerick team so im sure will be in with a shout
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Rover on January 26, 2018, 11:34:08 AM
fair play to the management team for selecting so many new players, I think this is a correct and brave selection. Win or not on Saturday night we should all get behind this team and current setup and hopefully a new team and a new era for Laois football will emerge. we do not expect miracles, from such a new team but we do hope to see progress as the league campaign goes on and hope to get promotion if not this year certainly next season.
best of luck to all involved and thank you for your commitment to the county.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 26, 2018, 12:00:42 PM
Very interesting looking team. Pretty much a new starting 15 apart from a few positions. Surprised we're not seeing a few more familiar faces to tighten up the team sheet, but at the same time, excited to see all of the inexperienced players play - this will be a top test for all. This isn't exactly a vintage Limerick team either and it's two very new sides for both. Win or lose, we'll find out a lot about what we have on Saturday. Hoping we have a game plan & don't just look like we never played together before, that would be a dissappointment, regardless of result. I have trust in John and the setup & will give it time, eitherway, and we must remember that we're building from a lowpoint and now is a time to be patient. The likes of Lowry are on top form at the moment with his college, looking forward to seeing how he does. Also looking forward to seeing how everyone else is doing, especially Holland, Glynn and young Crowley from Emo.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 26, 2018, 12:11:16 PM
Rory Delaney has a very good write up about about the year ahead, here :

https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/293484/preview-road-to-redemption-starts-here-as-laois-footballers-begin-life-in-division-4.html
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 26, 2018, 12:57:33 PM
May I draw peoples attention to this paragraph

His comments after the second O'Byrne Cup game were telling as well. While the players all might like him, he offers no indication that he isn't prepared to speak bluntly to the panel, regardless of seniority. ďA lot of the most positive fellas so far are the newcomers as far as Iím concerned. Theyíve shown a real freshness and a real appetite for this thing and they really want to play for Laois. So a lot of the newcomers are looking good at the moment for us.Ē Those were his words after the loss to Westmeath in their second O'Byrne Cup meeting, and the message was clear - he was looking for freshness and appetite.

We've tried and failed repeatedly with the "experienced players" being spoken of. While a bit of it may be useful in many ways, in other ways these players, most notably in the league last year, have shown crippling inability to get over the line. They're not bad players, so the mental issue must be addressed at this point.  But from what I seen of the matches I've attended so far, is that not too many were putting their hands up all that high, and on or two were way off. If the younger ones are chomping at the bit, then let them off the leash.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 26, 2018, 07:57:38 PM
Based on what I know about those selected, particularly in the backs, there's a work rate in them all as individuals. We can only hope that they gel and work hard for each other. As Don said above, there'll be hiccups along the way, but they deserve our support because they wouldn't be there if they didn't care about Laois. I wish them luck and would advise them to work as hard for each other as they possibly can. I say that particularly to our forwards who in recent years have allowed far too much pressure to be heaped on our back line
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 27, 2018, 01:07:33 PM
Based on what I know about those selected, particularly in the backs, there's a work rate in them all as individuals. We can only hope that they gel and work hard for each other. As Don said above, there'll be hiccups along the way, but they deserve our support because they wouldn't be there if they didn't care about Laois. I wish them luck and would advise them to work as hard for each other as they possibly can. I say that particularly to our forwards who in recent years have allowed far too much pressure to be heaped on our back line
I agree but I don't think they will get away with not working in the forwards with John Sugrue. This man has started out with a good attitude and hopefully it will carry over to the players.

Not starting Donie is a huge statement of intent from him and no matter who you are you wont be getting anything handy this year.

Tonight will tell us a bit more about a few lads and the management team but we have to be patient and remember just where we're coming from. Really looking forward to this one tonight.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 27, 2018, 03:27:08 PM
Donnie is part of a strong bench along with Begley Lillis o munnely Donoher Carroll Mecevoy x2 Dillon Jaime farrel. Lots of injuries so id imagine he is fit player 26.
Best of luck to all involved great to see this many debuts its a statement of intent. Plus alot of experience on the bench to settle things if needed
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 27, 2018, 03:49:09 PM
Another era starts... Let's go....



Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 27, 2018, 08:46:47 PM
Very good result tonight, was slightly anxious how we would fare with such a young team. We really should push on now and look to take the group, Leitrim next week will be a tougher test
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 27, 2018, 09:27:16 PM
Delighted with the result all lads gave it their all

Div 4 at times wonít be straight forward as proven tonight they had to tough it out
Good to see a system in place
Thought the full back line did great.....so sorry for Attride
Laois abķ
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Rover on January 27, 2018, 09:47:35 PM
good result.
the most pleasing aspect was the way all of the laois players tackled and harassed the
Limerick players when they had possession. full back line were not really tested but to a man they did what they had to do. O'Reilly at midfield has some pace and will improve as the year goes on.looking  forward to the next few rounds and to see how the squad progress and develop.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 27, 2018, 10:14:21 PM
Great win well done to team and management.
There will be setbacks but a good start as they say.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on January 27, 2018, 10:41:21 PM
Great to win with such a young team. I hope John Sugrue continues to build. Promotion would be a nice bonus. Leitrim next day out will be tough, but a win would set us up well for the next home match against Waterford. Thought O'Reilly in midfield was impressive. Evan O'Carroll seemed to improve things when he came on as well.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 27, 2018, 10:51:53 PM
Good win but Limerick were dreadful. As poor as you'll ever see.
Great to see new lads in action. Not all of them will make it but isn't that what Division 4 is for? To see if lads are up to it.
O'Reilly looked good. Walsh we know can be brilliant if he holds his head. Disappointed with Farrell, Lowry, Holland. Good to see O'Carroll in for 25 minutes or so.
I think with the likes of Donie, Timmons, Quigley, Murphy of Port who's a serious footballer to come in, we'll walk Division 4.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 27, 2018, 11:51:07 PM
SCFC I think your getting a bit excited there it's only day 1 against what may turn out to be the weakest team In this years Div4. Job done we move on . Nothing to get too excited about. When Donie comes back he will add a lot. I suppose now he probably plays the same 15 in Leitrim??
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 28, 2018, 12:10:15 AM
We certainly wont walk Div.4 and its that kind of attitude that has us in the division in the first place. We as supporters seem to think we are better than we really are and should be challenging for Sam every year but the fact is we are a Div.4 team and for the first half we looked every bit of it.

We are definitely far fitter than last year at this time but our football was dreadful in that first half. Our defending was good and saved us from being behind on the scoreboard at half time but our forward play left a lot to be desired. Lads seem to be afraid to shoot when the opportunity arises and on several occasions we passed ourselves into trouble when a shot was on. I don't think we let one ball into Gary Walsh in the first half, instead we preferred to recycle across the field and backwards on most occasions and that will have to change if we are going to get out of this division.

The second half was way better with more direct play at times which brought about a few good scores. The first ball that got sent in early resulted in a good pass from Finbar Crowley and he passed to Gary Walsh who scored a good goal. Then another early ball from Evan to Gary brought a great point from him almost immediately after the goal. That seemed to settle us down and we played some great football after that. Daniel O'Reilly could be a big player for us this year and has some burst of speed in him. Midfield seems to suit him as when he plays on the wing he runs into blind alleys a lot and looses possession which he did again on a few occasions tonight. But his work rate and running off the ball was great as was most of the lads to be honest. He will only improve with time and looks a great find for the county.

The subs made a big difference which is something I haven't seen for many a year with Laois footballers so its great to have a strong panel. We even had Donie sitting on the bench if needed but he didn't get the call tonight. Overall I was happy with the display and we really can give this Div. a good rattle if we continue to improve as much as we did we did as the game went on tonight.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 28, 2018, 08:48:29 AM
A decent win against poor opposition . I think we could see a lot of this in this division . The standard is not going to be high let's face it and building momentum through wins is championship preparation .Hopefully as the league progresses we can build and raise our performance levels but it won't be easy when teams like limerick and Waterford put out blanket defences something Wexford or Kildare won't be doing against us come summer .
Nevertheless two points on the board was vital and it'll be interesting to see how our full back line will cope in Carrick next Sunday .
Danny O'Reilly was good and has got pace to burn along with a good positional sense . Walsh now needs to replicate last nights performance next week and I think he is capable . Paul Kingston worked hard throughout maybe at times trying to much .
I was a little disappointed by Lowry , expected more from particularly after his college exploits . Can see O Carroll starting next week !
Anyone hear how serious Attrides injury is ? 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on January 28, 2018, 10:32:26 AM
Itís a results game business and the team and management got the result so weíll done onwards and upwards in my eyes ...they blooded a lot of players on what was a sad week for the gaa community..a lot of the unknown players showed up very well.. keep up the good work
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 28, 2018, 01:06:17 PM
Overall happy with the performance but I must admit, at times it was a slightly nervy experience as Limerick had a couple of chances to really change the outlook of the game against the run of play. They were poor and had some woeful misses – the most noteable being a free missed from 14 yards and straight in front of the posts in the first half. Kicking it into the keeper’s hands from there is inexcusable at this level.

In any event, it was a very positive start for us, considering that the line-up was very young and inexperienced. The fact that we really pulled away, only after some stalwards were introduced near the end, speaks volumes really about their experience and knowledge of how to open teams like this up. We needed that added bite up front to convert some chances and split them open through running at them and creating space. Having said that, I really do believe that we saw some very promising new starters for Laois last night. My player ratings were as follows:


Brody – 7. Didn’t do anything wrong and those runs out of defence are actually useful as it provides a free man to run off the man in possession. The only criticism I have is when he goes into the opposition half. To be fair to Brody he’s good on the ball and quick, but if we lose possession & he’s in the wing forward position, that’s just asking for trouble, in my opinion. I really do think we have one of the best and most progressive keepers in the country though, he just might need a bit of refinement as those runs are a bit wild sometimes.

D Holland – 6.5. Again, didn’t do much wrong and wasn’t really tested but a few times I did note him running aimlessly around when near a Laois man in possession, instead of purposelfully making himself available as a pass option.

S Nerney – 7.0 Comfortable in possession, quick and a big lad. Needs to fill out a bit more perhaps but definitely a good option going forward. Not really tested as Limerick forwards were a bit toothless.

Fennell – 7.0. Good in possession and solid all round.

T Collins – 6.5. Solid enough but wasn't tested.

Attride – Wasn’t on long enough but a pity for our captain to go off so early. To me, it looked like he tweaked his hamstring so he may be out for 2 – 4 weeks before he trains properly again.

F Crowley – 7 Solid performance.

JOL – 7.5 Typical JOL performance. Gave his all and was one of our best performers. Good in possession and good support play.

D O Reilly – 8 – Great performance by Danny, very quick, looked very fit and agile,  on this form will be a regular for us, midfield seems to suit him. Nice to have that speed around the middle of the field as JOL and Quigley aren’t speed merchants.

A Farrell – 6. Was a bit disappointed with Alan, looked very rusty and not very confident with the ball. Will likely improve a lot.

P Kingston – 7 Good performance all round but can do better with some decision making and shot selection.

B Glynn – 5. Poor all round from brian and he looked very disappointed with his performance. Has potential but didn’t have a good game. He fielded a ball superbly at one point only to kick it 10 metres to the opposition. Looked rusty but should be given more time.

E Lowry – 7 Looked very good in spells, has decent speed, needs to be more clinical and improve decision making but definitely has very good potential.

G Walsh – 8.5 – Head an shoulders above any other forward on the field, showed his class and took his scores very well.

Dowling – 6 – Had a quiet game, took his point well but fairly quiet otherwise. He will hope to get on more ball next time out.

Begley – 7.5. Very solid and assured game for Colm and was a great sub to have to Attride. Great playmaker and covers the whole field. Looks fit and hungry.

E O Carroll – 7. Evan made a positive impact when he came on. Got on a lot of ball and was good in possession. He will be looking for a starting place.

Other subs not on long enough to rate. Overall, a positive start to the League, especially in the context of so many new faces and an inexperienced team. Lots to look forward to, with plenty of lads to come back, and a lot of good headaches for Sugrue given that a lot of the new lads are showing up, working very hard and making a good claim for their starting spot.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 28, 2018, 02:54:48 PM
Great to get the result and a 9 point win is as good as you could ask for however it has to be taken into context. It's Div 4 football and Limercik were poor enough.  Gary was flying in the second half last night but one thing he won't be is consistent. He is one of the best forwards in the Div though when he does put his mind to it. The same failings are there with regard to turning possession into scores with a lot of efforts falling into the keepers arms or being sent wide.
As long as Laois learn from each game and continue to improve it bodes well and for the new comers Div 4 will work t otheir advantage in getting game time and confidence.
Laois should have too much for most of the teams in Div 4 and really should be looking at being in the mix at the end of the league.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 28, 2018, 03:08:47 PM
Great Result, move on from here and hopefully get out Div 4.  Limerick were poor
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 28, 2018, 05:30:03 PM
Limerick were like a poor junior club side. Easily the worst team inter county team bar Kilkenny I have ever seen.

Of the 'new' lads, Nerney, O'Reilly showed well. Hard to tell about some of the others as they weren't properly tested. It was nice to see the impact the younger lads pace had defensively where they were able to get up in the oppositions face and tackle without fouling.

I thought John O'Loughlin had a disappointing game. He slows the game down too much and was responsible for much of the sideways play in the first half. He also fouled much too often. If only he could keep the ball moving forward. I'm a fan generally but thought he didn't show great yesterday.

Sugrue spoke very well again afterwards.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 28, 2018, 06:06:42 PM
Blue and white - when you refer to Sugrue speaking well about if afterwards, I presume you were listening to radio 3 live? I don't see any links to audio from his press interview afterwards online. Would like to hear.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 28, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
In my opinion I'd have brendan quigley in the middle instead of o Loughlin, he could be utilised well at centre back or maybe even centre forward?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 28, 2018, 06:28:22 PM
Blue and white - when you refer to Sugrue speaking well about if afterwards, I presume you were listening to radio 3 live? I don't see any links to audio from his press interview afterwards online. Would like to hear.

Yes, he was on live when I got into the car. Interestingly, he referred to the first half as being more like Laois have got into the habit of playing over the last few years - side to side and backwards. He also spoke about the deliberate injection of pace into the team. He seems a very shrewd observer of what is happening on the field. I'm sure midlands 103 will stick it on their twitter feed at some point.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on January 28, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
Decent performance, second half a lot better direct running instead ofor backwards & sideways stuff. I thought all players put a solid shift. Workrate of all players was good. Stand outs for me crowley, o'reilly, Kingston & Walsh. Only negative was sending off but you'll get that.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 29, 2018, 09:32:35 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/29/manager-sugrue-impressed-debutantes/ (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/29/manager-sugrue-impressed-debutantes/)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 30, 2018, 01:11:01 AM
I enjoyed the win and i think we will get better ..

Dicey was superb and walsh looked in great shape

Next week will be a far tougher task

But very positive signs of the
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 30, 2018, 08:20:02 AM
I enjoyed the win and i think we will get better ..

Dicey was superb and walsh looked in great shape

Next week will be a far tougher task

But very positive signs of the

No it won't Limerick would be classified as second or third best team in Div 4,  it was just a sign of how dire Div 4 is. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 30, 2018, 10:48:51 AM
I'd agree with that. Antrim gave Leitrim a bit of a trimming. As bad as we might think we are if we play any way close to our potential we should  be looking at top 2 minimum. Div 4 is poor and Carlow and Antrim will probably give us the toughest tests and we have Antrim in Portlaoise.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 30, 2018, 11:34:18 AM
Agree . Leitrim are all over the place at the moment with numerous first choice players deciding not to play under the management they have . Along with Waterford I'd expect us to dispose of those two comfortably . Carlow will be by far the toughest especially physically and they seem to have all there club players pulling in the one direction with the county now . Antrim likewise will a serious test .
Both them and Carlow are at our level . I really don't know what to expect in London . They have all home ties so they should get some momentum going in Ruislip .
I'd expect changes this weekend , through injuries and perhaps a positional ones .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 30, 2018, 12:14:52 PM
I enjoyed the win and i think we will get better ..

Dicey was superb and walsh looked in great shape

Next week will be a far tougher task

But very positive signs of the

Don't know what Leitrim  are like but Limerick supporters think their worst for years.

No it won't Limerick would be classified as second or third best team in Div 4,  it was just a sign of how dire Div 4 is.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 30, 2018, 12:35:21 PM
I enjoyed the win and i think we will get better ..

Dicey was superb and walsh looked in great shape

Next week will be a far tougher task

But very positive signs of the

No it won't Limerick would be classified as second or third best team in Div 4,  it was just a sign of how dire Div 4 is.

Limerick were poor and their shocking misses in front of goal only rubber stamped that but we left them in the game as we have done with so many teams in recent years Wicklow antrim etc etc....

At least we got the win and I think Leitrim will be a tougher task at the weekend despite missing a few players....

Carrick on shannon on a windy and wet day will not be easy.

We went up there in 2012 under Justin mcnulty with a star studded team that was going places and only won by 2 points I think??
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 30, 2018, 12:57:47 PM
we were in one way flattered by the 9 points win last Saturday, and if the Limerick  forward had goaled instead of hitting the post in the 60th minute then the game would most certainly have gone down to the wire.

the positives is that we do look fitter, we at least seemed to have some fuel left in the last 5 minutes, as compared to last year when we were often on fumes in the last 15 minutes.

I sense fans at least see an element of reality with sugrue. he knows the laois scene and realises that we do have to rebuild and what we may find is that division 4, albeit, bottom of the barrel stuff, is less punishing for rebuilding projects. I read on the main forum of this board, that Sligo, a bit like ourselves are on a rebuild, and look how they suffered in div 3 last sunday at the hands of Armagh.

I read elsewhere on this thread that a good season would consist of gaining promotion to div 3 and getting to a leinster semi final against Kildare. The former is achievable, the latter target is, as of now, a big ask. I think Westmeath are a long way ahead of us, possible at the peak of their current squad and spearheaded by a marquee forward. They along with Wexford are div 3 sides, and it would be quite some achievement to beat both to get to a leinster semi final, not impossible, a tough ask.

as for this sunday, I was in Carrick the last two times Laois played there, that qualifier victory over Leitrim and the qualifier defeat to Donegal the next year. From memory, it is a tight pitch with a pronounced scoring goal(road end).  Leitrim have a limited squad, however they do bring a local pride and passion to proceedings especially when playing in Carrick. I see they beat Sligo a fortnight ago in that Connaught league. So they deserve respect. In fact, if a transitional squad, such as ours, takes any of these div 4 sides for granted, then we may pay a price.

Again, I would be happy to win 12 points to 10 and travel back east with the 2 points in the bag.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 30, 2018, 01:37:48 PM
I can't see anything but a convincing win Sunday even with us in this major transitional period . Leitrim are a long way from the team that we played against in the qualifiers under McNulty .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on February 01, 2018, 11:59:21 AM
I presume same starting 15, maybe donoher will get in ahead of dowling.. I'd like to see same 15 start.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 01, 2018, 12:28:04 PM
we were in one way flattered by the 9 points win last Saturday, and if the Limerick  forward had goaled instead of hitting the post in the 60th minute then the game would most certainly have gone down to the wire.

the positives is that we do look fitter, we at least seemed to have some fuel left in the last 5 minutes, as compared to last year when we were often on fumes in the last 15 minutes.

I sense fans at least see an element of reality with sugrue. he knows the laois scene and realises that we do have to rebuild and what we may find is that division 4, albeit, bottom of the barrel stuff, is less punishing for rebuilding projects. I read on the main forum of this board, that Sligo, a bit like ourselves are on a rebuild, and look how they suffered in div 3 last sunday at the hands of Armagh.

I read elsewhere on this thread that a good season would consist of gaining promotion to div 3 and getting to a leinster semi final against Kildare. The former is achievable, the latter target is, as of now, a big ask. I think Westmeath are a long way ahead of us, possible at the peak of their current squad and spearheaded by a marquee forward. They along with Wexford are div 3 sides, and it would be quite some achievement to beat both to get to a leinster semi final, not impossible, a tough ask.

as for this sunday, I was in Carrick the last two times Laois played there, that qualifier victory over Leitrim and the qualifier defeat to Donegal the next year. From memory, it is a tight pitch with a pronounced scoring goal(road end).  Leitrim have a limited squad, however they do bring a local pride and passion to proceedings especially when playing in Carrick. I see they beat Sligo a fortnight ago in that Connaught league. So they deserve respect. In fact, if a transitional squad, such as ours, takes any of these div 4 sides for granted, then we may pay a price.

Again, I would be happy to win 12 points to 10 and travel back east with the 2 points in the bag.
No we beat them by ten points, as did Antrim last week. Carrick isn't the easiest place for visiting teams over the years and is a tight pitch alright but they have slipped a lot from the team ye'd have beaten there in 2012, so I don't imagine ye will have too much trouble on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on February 01, 2018, 12:59:14 PM
Any news on attride injury? Begley probably start for him.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 01, 2018, 04:54:50 PM
Any news on attride injury? Begley probably start for him.

Bad enough hammer strain I'm hearing a few weeks at least
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on February 01, 2018, 05:08:19 PM
we should have enough cover to get through a few of games without him. I have a feeling we will see more support for this years team more clubs represented and looks like a good young manager. Have to say Sugrue speaks very well. A successful year is promotion and a championship win for me anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 02, 2018, 05:28:17 PM

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on February 02, 2018, 09:46:07 PM
An unchanged team named from the Limerick game apart from Attride, Begley is in
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helix on February 02, 2018, 10:39:23 PM
An unchanged team named from the Limerick game apart from Attride, Begley is in

OíCarroll in for Dowling aswell. Hopefully a decent score got and forwards start clicking.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on February 02, 2018, 10:55:35 PM
Good team .. think Surge will bring the best out of O'Carrol ! Think the big test is ahead of us ...... carlow and Antrim .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 02, 2018, 11:14:35 PM
Yea, nice to see he's sticking with most of the lads who did the job last week, sends out a good message to the squad

 https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/02/02/two-changes-laois-football-team-ahead-trip-leitrim/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 04, 2018, 06:59:04 PM
John Sugrue post Leitrim:

https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/john-sugrue-post-leitrim
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Rover on February 04, 2018, 07:01:15 PM
Just home from the game in Carrick on Shannon
first fifteen minutes of each half Laois showed some improvement from Last week, they were much more direct and played with a purpose. Could have and should have been out of sight before half time and went in 5 points up after the first half, leitrim missed a penalty(saved by Briody) so we could have been only 2 points up.
Ehe second halv for fifteen to twenty minutes we took complete control of the game and at the same time missed at least 4 very score-able goal chances, and had a lead of 14 points at one stage, then we invited Leitrim back into the game Briody made one of his trips up the field and ended up beside the Leitrim goalkeeper. Leitrim broke and senced a chance and punished Laois with a goal after that Leitrim out scored Laois 3 goals and 3 points to 4 points, Laois looked in a lot of trouble when Leitrim run at them.
Full back line Fennell showed well and Nurney at times the half back line were all at sea at times Midfield J.O'L. held his own and the pitch did not suit the running from O'Reilly (he will undoubtably have many better Days. The two wing forwards could have contributed more they lost a lot of good Poscession. Paul Kingston overall had a good game. Walsh and O'Carroll both had good games and when Munnelly was introduced he created a lot of space which Laois should have made more on the score board from. Good experience for the younger Players but when Laois have a team on the rack they need to be more ruthless and drive on. The management possibly Learnt more about the team than the did in the whole game against Limerick and the first 45 minutes against Leitrim. another two points on the board with an away win so we can look forward to next week. Well done to all and it is great to see such hard work been done by all to the cause.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 04, 2018, 07:20:32 PM
A win is a win. Should have been far more as our forwards really had the run on their backs. The sloppiness in a 15 minute spell in the second half allowed them to be a lot closer than they should have been. You could blame it on the changes which resulted in the complete lack of shape but brody's  run and loss of ball which resulted in Begley getting injured and them getting a goal gave them a kick start. This resulted them attacking in waves and a further two goals followed. Sugure in his interview didn't seem to worried about the turnover, blaming more on a mistake on the forwards but you would have to wonder why is your keeper near the opposition goals. There are problems to work on, the looseness of the defence and the kicking of wides before carlow and Antrim are encountered and it. Not a great day for the defence. Fennell was solid and Collins took his goal well. Begley saved our bacon a few times and wasn't bad at full back, his man did score a few. I have no idea what the plan with Holland was. He lined out at centre back and appeared to follow his man around the field. Dillon was ok but nerney had a tough day, played his man from the front and got caught several times.  It's brace when it works out. The changes made the defence worse off. Jol was our only source of kickouts till Lillis came on. Reilly was cleaned by a much bigger man especially in the second half. He is athletic but is not a midfielder. Paul Kingston was good, not a good day for Glynn, while you could say Farrell tried hard. Again the changes here did not improve things. At different stages the full forward line did well. Realistically and mentioned in the interview they could and probably should have had a bigger score. Ross came on and bagged two points and will be putting Lowry under pressure who isn't sparkling at this level like he is doing at sigersion. We will need Timmons and attride back. No sign of Kingston yet but colm murphy did a heavy session before the game. Interesting to hear what others thought of sugure' s comments about Kingston
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 04, 2018, 08:51:08 PM
Interesting to hear what others thought of sugure' s comments about Kingston
No f**king beating around the bush there, message sent out loud and clear. Cant beat it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 04, 2018, 09:49:28 PM
The message from John Sugrue is very clear, and its the right attitude. Its entirely up to Donie now. I wonder will he knuckle down? There must be a big doubt that he will.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 04, 2018, 09:53:57 PM
Not long home had few pints after it with few laois die hards ...not easy for the lads not drinking and driving us home with our merry analyses  ha ha

 hard to know what to make of that game ...when we were in full flow we looked levels above them ..

When we got sloppy we looked like a team short on confidence and a game plan

Brody summed it up ...an unreal peno save when we were well on top ,but taking the ball up that far and loosing it gave them hope although to be fair to him he is probably one of our  more pacey attacking options .

The Begley injury shook the team and we were sloppy in that period .


Plus points
Walsh is on fire
Jol was solid and looks focused
Collins was good

P kingston is becoming more influential

Lills and munnelly were decent and have much to offer

We need timmons and attride back in the backs .

Darren strong could becan option at half forward give Brody more options from the kickout

Happy with another win in what is a horrible little ground

Roll on home advantage next week
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 04, 2018, 09:58:12 PM
The message from John Sugrue is very clear, and its the right attitude. Its entirely up to Donie now. I wonder will he knuckle down? There must be a big doubt that he will.
Its time for Donie to realise that the ship is sailing on his potential. Its time to get on board, or be another great "what if". No one can do it for him. There'll be no more smoke blown up his hole. This is big boy shit now.

In a not unrelated piece, worth a read

http://www.the42.ie/robbie-cannon-laois-3831467-Feb2018/?utm_source=shortlink
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 04, 2018, 10:45:31 PM
Actually think it is a bit amateurish for John to call out Donie publicly. No harm behind closed doors but not great man management to mention in an interview.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 04, 2018, 10:52:54 PM
Actually think it is a bit amateurish for John to call out Donie publicly. No harm behind closed doors but not great man management to mention in an interview.
Bullshit. More of the mollycoddling. We love a bit of that here in Laois.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: steven seagal on February 04, 2018, 10:59:39 PM
Donie is back near enough a month at this stage. I can't imagine Sugrue hasn't said it to him in person already. If he's not getting the reaction he needs out of him, then he has to try whatever means available to get him going. It's not like he slated him anyway, he just said he needs to work harder in training.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 05, 2018, 11:08:03 AM
Hard for donie to make up all that ground probably feels like a struggle and the body language might not be right but it will come and when it does what a boost it will be if him Walsh and O'Carroll can all click its a decent forward line with Paul Kingston and Paul cahilanne to come!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 05, 2018, 11:36:19 AM
Hard for donie to make up all that ground probably feels like a struggle and the body language might not be right but it will come and when it does what a boost it will be if him Walsh and O'Carroll can all click its a decent forward line with Paul Kingston and Paul cahilanne to come!

I hope you are right.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 05, 2018, 12:32:14 PM
I don't think Sugrue was disrespectful in the interview.

He said, regarding when Donie will return that "A lot of that will depend on Donie's application to training." That's fair enough in my book. He was asked a straight question and was given a straight answer. And it's a good healthy message to send to the entire panel. If you show up and give 100% in training and show the desire to play for Laois, you'll get your spot ahead of someone with a bigger reputation, but is giving much less.

At the end of the day, in a championship match when it's a draw match going into the last 5 minutes, the people you want in there are the lads who will give 100% to Laois.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 05, 2018, 12:34:49 PM
We are in Div 4, Gary Walsh, Paul Kingston or any player are going to look good if they are anywhere near county standard.  I like what Sugrue is doing, it would be hard for Donie to walk now.  By challenging him you may get the best out of someone that is out on his own as Laois best forward, but also putting your stamp on the whole setup.  I like it so far he is getting the big calls right.

It's very hard for Donie to walk now, once he came back in that game was up. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 05, 2018, 12:36:09 PM
Hard for donie to make up all that ground probably feels like a struggle and the body language might not be right but it will come and when it does what a boost it will be if him Walsh and O'Carroll can all click its a decent forward line with Paul Kingston and Paul cahilanne to come!

I hope you are right.
I would think a forward line containing both Kingstons, Cahillane and ocarroll might be a shade light on the work rate required in the modern game.
You have to have a very hard working.forwards. As someone said Strong could work at wing forward. Donoher is always a consistent wing forward too. I think O'Reilly could do a job there too.
Is Brian Daly involved at all?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
Sugrue is treating them like grown ups and asking them to react accordingly. Those who know will know how heís handled the disciplinary issues so far, firm and fair. The players are being treated like adults, they know the score with him and thereís no grey areas. The cutting of the players was honest and well informed, especially Moore. Donie knew where he stood from the start and nothingís changed.

I loved his handling of the Brody incident also, backed the player and is obviously empowering him as a leader.

Iíve said it before lads, weíve a good one.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 05, 2018, 01:07:50 PM
Sugrue is treating them like grown ups and asking them to react accordingly. Those who know will know how heís handled the disciplinary issues so far, firm and fair. The players are being treated like adults, they know the score with him and thereís no grey areas. The cutting of the players was honest and well informed, especially Moore. Donie knew where he stood from the start and nothingís changed.

I loved his handling of the Brody incident also, backed the player and is obviously empowering him as a leader.

Iíve said it before lads, weíve a good one.

Its easily done when your winning:)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 01:10:02 PM
Sugrue is treating them like grown ups and asking them to react accordingly. Those who know will know how heís handled the disciplinary issues so far, firm and fair. The players are being treated like adults, they know the score with him and thereís no grey areas. The cutting of the players was honest and well informed, especially Moore. Donie knew where he stood from the start and nothingís changed.

I loved his handling of the Brody incident also, backed the player and is obviously empowering him as a leader.

Iíve said it before lads, weíve a good one.

Its easily done when your winning:)
While its a weaker division than we're used to, are we winning because things are being done right? Chicken? Egg?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 05, 2018, 03:16:41 PM
I've no doubt things are being done right but we would have expected to win the first four games in this league handily enough. Carlow and Antrim look the only possible hurdles. Maybe London away will be a tricky one?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 05, 2018, 03:21:17 PM
Can't understand how Joseph's, Ballyroan and The Heath havent one player on the Laois panel, apart from an injured Denis Booth.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 05, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
Weaker division yes but with the turnover of players the last few years and so many bigger names missing or finished I think he has done a great job so far...

I'd love to see him get real time in the job if he wanted it and I think he could bring us back to Division 2 and get us competitive with the Kildares and Meath's in Leinster again!

He seems to have a bit of something about him and the respect of the players which is massive...

Sort of manager I would love to play for and impress if I could!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on February 05, 2018, 10:33:47 PM
Fair play to sugrue.. hes speaks well.. its only division 4 but we still have to go and do it ..
Donie has been a magnificent player for Laois but if hes not willing to put in the work
Hes no divine right to walk on to the team ..
If lads arent 100% into it .. best off without them .. that said i expect the most talented Laois player i have ever
Seen play to knuckle down and come good by chamionship time ..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 05, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
I'm Happy enough with what I'm hearing from the camp. The main thing is lads are really interested in making this work and so is John.
You can't ask for much more than that at this stage.

I do think we will have to keep putting up big scores from now on and tighten up on our scores against as it could all come down to score difference to decide who goes up.


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 08, 2018, 11:15:32 AM
Laois team for Saturday


                                            Graham Brody (Portlaoise);
 
David Holland (Portlaoise), Shane Nerney (OíDempseyís), Ruaidhri C Fennell (Rosenallis)

Trevor Collins (Graiguecullen), Colm Begley (Stradbally), Gareth Dillon (Portlaoise)


                    John OíLoughlin (St Brigidís, Dublin), Kieran Lillis (Portlaoise)



Alan Farrell (Ballylinan), Paul Kingston (Arles-Killeen), Danny OíReilly (Graiguecullen)

Ross Munnelly (Arles-Kilcruise), Gary Walsh (Ballylinan), Evan OíCarroll (Crettyard).


https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/02/08/two-changes-laois-senior-footballers-ahead-waterford-clash/ (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/02/08/two-changes-laois-senior-footballers-ahead-waterford-clash/)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 08, 2018, 11:46:56 AM
God Munnelly deserves some credit for still making the side

I think we should win well on Saturday night but you can never count your chickens

Interesting to see how Liliis goes in midfield he is probably best suited to that position I hear he is flying it in training!


Looking for to seeing them in action now!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on February 08, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
I think its quite clear, If your going well in training you'll be playing if not you wont..... no matter who you are.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on February 08, 2018, 12:01:57 PM
I'd say Lillis will go centre back and Begley into midfield. Lillis, in my opinion, can only play centre back. I've always liked him there even though he'd be susceptible to runners
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 08, 2018, 01:45:49 PM
God Munnelly deserves some credit for still making the side

I think we should win well on Saturday night but you can never count your chickens

Interesting to see how Liliis goes in midfield he is probably best suited to that position I hear he is flying it in training!


Looking for to seeing them in action now!
Say what you like about Lillis, and heís a fine solid performer, but a flyer he will never be.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 08, 2018, 02:36:49 PM
Are some of the younger guys dropping away? Crowley, Lowry, Dowling? Pity!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on February 08, 2018, 02:50:17 PM
Are some of the younger guys dropping away? Crowley, Lowry, Dowling? Pity!

I'd say more likely others are upping their efforts, the three above will come again.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on February 08, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
That's why there's a panel there.

Lowry is flying for UCD. Himself and O'Carroll were in top form for UCD yesterday. Lowry hasn't done enough and on top of Siggerson Sugrue probably felt Ross deserved his start. He might be getting older but he's well able for Div 4 football.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 08, 2018, 03:55:22 PM
No Crowley is injured at the moment. As for Dowling I'd say Sugrue didn't see enough out of him from the Limerick game to hold down a starting spot. As for Lowry , he was taken off against Leitrim and was taken off for UCD yesterday and isn't starting against Waterford so I haven't a clue what's going on there to be honest.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 08, 2018, 03:56:04 PM
That's why there's a panel there.

Lowry is flying for UCD. Himself and O'Carroll were in top form for UCD yesterday. Lowry hasn't done enough and on top of Siggerson Sugrue probably felt Ross deserved his start. He might be getting older but he's well able for Div 4 football.

Division 4 yes, but championship?

I don't deny that Ross has been an unbelievable servant to Laois. But, I was hoping Div 4 would be used to build a new team.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 08, 2018, 04:01:59 PM
Yeah it's slowly starting to look like the team of old again. Be interesting to see what youngsters hold down places for championship. Strong, Timmons, Booth, Conway, Quigley , Kingston, O Connor , Buggie , have to come back and suddenly it's the same team as last year .So I don't know how long this new team business will last for.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 08, 2018, 04:03:49 PM
Ah Unision, have you been paying attention - of course it's been used to build a new team! That's not to say that some older performers can't play, too. I hear Ross has been going fantastic in training and is hungry to keep playing. Why wouldn't we put him on the team. What a great attitude to have. 2018 and still going strong for Ross, what a legend he is for Laois. Still fresh enough, too. Doesn't have that electric speed that he used to have but still a great asset and a very good football brain.

"Buiding a team" doesn't just mean "throw all the older lads out and put all the new lads in". It means, slowly but surely give the newer lads good game time, build them up slowly and then over time transition accordingly. The new lads should be given time to show what they're about but not to the detrement of an "older" lad who's giving his all and can do a better job on the day.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 08, 2018, 04:29:13 PM
Ah Unision, have you been paying attention - of course it's been used to build a new team! That's not to say that some older performers can't play, too. I hear Ross has been going fantastic in training and is hungry to keep playing. Why wouldn't we put him on the team. What a great attitude to have. 2018 and still going strong for Ross, what a legend he is for Laois. Still fresh enough, too. Doesn't have that electric speed that he used to have but still a great asset and a very good football brain.

"Buiding a team" doesn't just mean "throw all the older lads out and put all the new lads in". It means, slowly but surely give the newer lads good game time, build them up slowly and then over time transition accordingly. The new lads should be given time to show what they're about but not to the detrement of an "older" lad who's giving his all and can do a better job on the day.

Good point Tony I watched them train twice this year...Early after Westmeath 1st game and just last week.

Players are certainly being picked on form.

Lowry was flying it early but not showing as well not but he is in the middle of tough schedule and probably needs a rest ...

O'Carroll looks back to his best and really sharp which can only be a boost.


My only surprise was as I said earlier in this thread was Moore and esp young Kelly being cut I thought they looked hungry and added a lot to proceedings in the early training's and if he was going on training then they should have been more involved but to be fair to John he explained his reasons why he was leaving them out for now ...who's to say they won't be back or anyone else for that matter...

John seems open minded I think he will be open to anything down the line that could be a player in good form coming in out of the blue like happens in a lot of other counties but never here.


Its a good strong team with good subs to come in.

Another 2 points and we are in good shape for the 4 toughest games in Antrim London and Carlow and wicklow away which is never easy for Laois
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 08, 2018, 05:13:01 PM
I was sick in my stomach last year when we were relegated and thought I would never enjoy going to a game again but I'm lovin' the way this year is going so far.
We have a manager who seems to be doing all the right things and the fact that we are playing in this division means he can try out young players and try new systems for us to play.

I admire his stance on the more established lads and not rushing them back into the team until he believes they are fully ready both in body and mind. That is something we couldn't afford, or maybe hadn't the courage to do till now and hopefully we will reap the rewards. Winning is a habit and a few good wins, regardless of who it's against builds confidence and trust in your teammates and manager and can only be good for us.

We need a big win Saturday to give us a good score difference and that team should be well capable of doing it...



Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on February 08, 2018, 08:09:14 PM
Yeah it's slowly starting to look like the team of old again. Be interesting to see what youngsters hold down places for championship. Strong, Timmons, Booth, Conway, Quigley , Kingston, O Connor , Buggie , have to come back and suddenly it's the same team as last year .So I don't know how long this new team business will last for.

Read and listen to above in relation to Donie, thereíll be no ďhave to come backĒ everyone has to earn their places on this team.
They may very well make it but theyíll be in a lot better shape than they have been these past few years
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 09, 2018, 09:43:25 AM
Love that picture... a lot of people including portlaoise said ohhh he is fit but too raw maybe not good enough.....

Well in my book he is a potential corner back for a long period ...I know if i was playing i'd hate to having him marking me!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 09, 2018, 11:45:45 AM
Yeah it's slowly starting to look like the team of old again. Be interesting to see what youngsters hold down places for championship. Strong, Timmons, Booth, Conway, Quigley , Kingston, O Connor , Buggie , have to come back and suddenly it's the same team as last year .So I don't know how long this new team business will last for.

Read and listen to above in relation to Donie, thereíll be no ďhave to come backĒ everyone has to earn their places on this team.
They may very well make it but theyíll be in a lot better shape than they have been these past few years
I think to be fair "have to come back into contention" is what was meant.
Come the championship, there's a reasonable chance that Timmons, Quigley, Strong and Donoher will be there or thereabouts.
It's good to see a few new lads getting their chance to date.
I'd expect us to beat Waterford by a big margin.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on February 09, 2018, 06:56:15 PM
Yeah it's slowly starting to look like the team of old again. Be interesting to see what youngsters hold down places for championship. Strong, Timmons, Booth, Conway, Quigley , Kingston, O Connor , Buggie , have to come back and suddenly it's the same team as last year .So I don't know how long this new team business will last for.

Read and listen to above in relation to Donie, thereíll be no ďhave to come backĒ everyone has to earn their places on this team.
They may very well make it but theyíll be in a lot better shape than they have been these past few years
I think to be fair "have to come back into contention" is what was meant.
Come the championship, there's a reasonable chance that Timmons, Quigley, Strong and Donoher will be there or thereabouts.
It's good to see a few new lads getting their chance to date.
I'd expect us to beat Waterford by a big margin.

Having read it again I agree and if my comment appeared to be dismissive it was not the intention.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 11, 2018, 06:34:09 PM
Good to get the 2 points vs Waterford. I couldn't make the match this week but encouraging to see Donie back and a lot of lads getting good game time. 3 wins from 3 is very positive and a nice 2 week break now for some lads coming back from niggles to push for some game time vs Wicklow. Antrim only got a point today against a 13-man Wicklow. We really need to drive on now and get this promotion. Looking like a 3 horse race with Laois, Antrim and Carlow. From what I can see, Carlow will be our biggest threat - they're playing very good football this year and look hungry and fit. John Sugrue post Waterford : https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/john-sugrue-post-waterford
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: County Man on February 11, 2018, 10:50:53 PM
Nice to have 6 points after 3 rounds. Puts us in a good position in the promotion hunt. Wicklow in Aughrim next up followed by a massive game at home against Antrim.

Guys can knuckle down in training for the next 2 weeks knowing we are on track.

To sum up the first 3 rounds....  there was a fine crowd in O'Moore Park for round 1 against Limerick. A 9 point victory flattered us but 2 good goals scored and held Limerick to 9 points. Danny O'Reilly impressed in that game with Gary Walsh on top form. Was good to see a lot of new faces been given their chance to impress.

Round 2 away in Carrick on Shannon was quite impressive for the first 55 minutes. Paul Kingston impressed and again Gary Walsh was on fire. Evan O'Carroll had a good performance as well. Trevor Collins got a good goal. Ross Munnelly came off the bench and got 2 points. Have to continue to stay switched on when cruising at 15 points up. Was disappointing to concede the 3 late goals against Leitrim but hopefully it will be a learning curve. We played a good brand of football that day apart from the late blip.

Round 3 against Waterford.... asked us more questions. We were always in control in first 2 rounds. In this game, Waterford made a fine start, 0-2 to 0-0 up and then 1-3 to 0-3 ahead. I was impressed with the increased intensity from then until half time played in horrible conditions. Alan Farrell and Kieran Lillis kicked good scores and Walsh again was a thorn in Waterford's side.

Holland and Collins are doing very well covering a lot of ground. Colm Begley showed great leadership in both halves. Great to see big Donie back and he got 2 nice points. Danny O'Reilly has good pace. Ross encouraged the younger guys throughout the 70 minutes. We grinded out a deserved win. Good patience in the build up play.

Hopefully we can have Attride back for the Wicklow game.

Laois Abu!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 11, 2018, 11:11:44 PM
It was mentioned earlier that a lot of the older team have drifted back and it's looking like we are going to need them. A lot of the new players have been poor in the last two games. We were very poor for long periods and got on top when they ran out of steam but at that stage, strong, Donie and Donagher we were on. We have conceded four goals in the last two games and you would have to question the defensive shape of the team. Time and again we were left two on two with a half field to themselves, that and the insistence on playing from the front especially nerney has caused us huge problems. He has been very poor. There two inside forwards scored 1-5 from play, more than our starting full forward line. Can't see the point of Holland rambling up the field when he has the pace to be a sweeper. We are also very narrow with Collins and Dillon pushing in towards the centre. This allowed all three teams that we have played to have an out ball on both side lines. Waterford had a man right on the line both sides and worked around the heavily congested middle. Management really need to work on this we are getting. Badly exposed again last night and especially in Leitrim.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 12, 2018, 08:22:08 AM
My own opinion is that we needed to have the current period that we are now in.   Sugrue is changing the mentality of players,  Laois have been poor for quite a while and something needs to change.   The team of the previous two years suffered two relegation's,why some on here believe going back there will yield different results.  The players lads are talking about were fine Players 5 years ago but unfortunately due to a variety of issues have not been playing the same ball.  I am sure 1 or 2 of them might get back in but that's it.  We have to begin rebuilding and focus on what's coming through maximizing them, till we get our underage in order.  I mentioned in other page about the U20's and the whole delayed appointment it does not to do players any favours.  Let me say this if we do not get our underage setup right we are not going anywhere fast.  I think Sugrue is doing a good job,  and this will stand to Laois in the long run.

We have been conceding goals easily for 3-4 years now, not just this year.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 12, 2018, 10:58:49 AM
we conceded 9 goals last year and 11 the year before at a higher level. we have conceded 4 in the last two games against much inferior opposition I would have thought a defensive plan to improve this would be a priority.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 12, 2018, 11:21:40 AM
We conceded 3 against Wicklow who are of this parish in championship,  of course we need to improve defence but it was legacy issue for Sugrue.

I would go further in is rife in the Club Championship, we don't defend well.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 13, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
My Ratings for Waterford game

Again its only an opinion and I don't mean to be hard on any player I am greatful they give their time and effort to the Laois team and I love to go and see them play!



Brody 7-Did well not many saves to make overall kick outs long and short were good took one very dangerous ball in the first half under pressure but looses a mark for one in the same half that drifted across the goals.Got some nice darts off the ball when coming out which eventually the ref punished.


Holland 7-Decent performance by the young Portlaoise man he was excellent in the first half and one of the better backs in my book does tend to drift a little but that will come with more experience.Harshly judged by the ref to have fouled twice in the second half when he got in front of his man to clear.

Nerney 5-Not one of his better games but he will learn from this and he was on a quality player in Hutchinson who scored 1-3 from play I think.Its a work in progress for the young man but his pace is a good asset to have.

Fennell 5-Wasn't able for the number ten who went inside for most of the game and really troubled him in the first half he stuck to his task tho despite being up against it and didn't commit lazy fouls which he could have easily done.

Collins 6- In and out of the game his runs forward were good and he looks very fit but he needs to improve on his tackling and positional awareness .Tries hard and got one great assist.

Begley 7-Did well for the most part but left too many gaps in a period in the first half where Waterford got 1-2 in the space of five minutes.He was very good in the second half and was the catalyst for Laois in their dominant period winning breaks and dominating his area of the pitch.

Dillion 5-Not one of his better games but I suppose a five is harsh needs to learn how to tackle as he has the pace to stay and get back to most players should back himself more going forward and run directly at goals instead of to the corners which will open up teams.

O'Loughlin 8-One of his better games in a Laois shirt for a while won very important kickouts and battled well around the middle did commit a few fouls in the first half but at least he is willing to tackle and stop runners through the middle which is a problem for Laois.

Lillis 6-Kicked two superb points one with the outside of the boot was as good as you'll see.tackling was okay but he played a few stray passes forward when he was under no pressure .Caught for pace a few times when trying to get back to a Waterford runner but tried hard.

A Farrell 6- Kicked a lovely point on the run after a great Laois move and covered a lot of ground.strong on the solo run and one of the better Laois players to tackle which wouldn't be hard.Hand passing is a skill he could work on.

P Kingston 8-I thought he was superb won everyball that came his way and found Laois men everytime with a lovely range of passing long and short.Did tend to look too much to Donie when he came on but thats second nature to him and they will work scores from it.

O'Reilly 6-Wasn't man who covered more grass than this man but he tend to solo into blind alleys he needs to get a pass off when he beats one man or takes the ball on the run.His support play is excellent but his tackling and defending from the front is very weak he needs to work on lads walking around him.

Munnelly 7-Hard to fault Ross one great score before half time cutting in from the right to roll back the years and showed a level of fitness that a 20 year old would be happy with.Hard to leave him out the next day on this showing!

Walsh 9-Laois's best player I thought was out of it a little in opening period missing two scorable frees in that period but from then on he was a constant treat and showed skill power and no lack of determination in his play on the field.Becoming the player for his county now we all knew he could be.

O'Carroll 4-Looked out of sorts from the start but did ship a few hard knocks I'd say his game in midweek had taken a lot oout of him and he couldn't seem to get going at all.Had one good run and won a free at an important time was replaced at half time by Donie.

Donie 7-Two superb points and could have had another he really showed well for the ball and while not in the best sahpe yet it looked promising .Looked very motivated and this can only be a good thing for Laois.

Strong 6-A little off the pace but thats to be expected not getting much game time one superb block to stop a certain score was calm on the ball as you'd expect.

Donoher  5-Harsh maybe on Niall but got little ball and never really got into the game kicked one very poor wide with his right when there were other options which is unlike the Courtwood man.Looks in great shape like so many of the Laois team this year!

Glynn 5-Not on too long so rating could be agin harsh he kicked two terrible balls away when an easy pass was on to Donie or Ross but he certainly adds strenght and power to the team and won the ball back with one great tackle .

Buggy 5-Same as Glynn rating is more a reflection of how little time he got .


Over all it wasn't a great performance but a few highlights included Donie coming back ,O'Loughlin and Munnelly still showing why they are on the team.

Paul Kingston and Gary Walsh look like they will be a potent force for the rest of the championship.


Bad points

scores we conceded without a hand being laid on a player  out tackling has to be improved or we will be in trouble.

Not a bad crowd for the evening that was in it and they certainly got behind the team which is encouraging!



Wicklow next which will a tough battle as always down there but if we can get over that its looking good.

Carlow seem to be the form team so far and them and Antrim will be in the shake up.

I can't wait to go over to London as well it should be a great trip !!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 13, 2018, 02:06:41 PM
Super update Unlaoised. Appreciated from one who couldn't make the match.

Might take the whole league and several showings to decide whether some of the young backs are going to make it (as it is pretty much the same forwards as last few years). Of all the new lads, Holland and O'Riely seem to be showing strongest.

Great to see Paul Kingston finally finding a niche on the team.

When is Colm Murphy available? Would be great to see him in the league.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 13, 2018, 02:25:14 PM
Wouldn't argue with much of that unlaoised.
Fair enough Nerney had a tough night but that's the standard of players he should be aspiring to match. Same goes for Fennell.
Full back line is unforgiving at times.
Thought Farrell was poorer than your review. He isn't a natural forward for me.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: theoldvet on February 13, 2018, 07:52:21 PM
Good post unlaoised
talking to supporters after the game
we are all saying that our tackling and defending is very poor
i'm sure Sugrue know this,  when I see them new young Kerry defenders
I say why can't we defend like them
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on February 13, 2018, 09:44:54 PM
Great post unlaoised.

Looking at the club championship the defending is very poor. I think the art of tackling has been ruined by teams playing blanket defences and players not getting coached how to tackle.

Anyone been to Laois training and know what tackling drills Laois are doing? Have Laois a defence coach?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 14, 2018, 10:27:11 AM
Good post unlaoised
talking to supporters after the game
we are all saying that our tackling and defending is very poor
i'm sure Sugrue know this,  when I see them new young Kerry defenders
I say why can't we defend like them
Because our young players havent been coached like those Kerry players. Those Kerry players are All Ireland Minor winners. Ours barely won a game or two in Leinster, and the team that got to a Leinster Final had their arses handed to them.

Sugrue knows their limitation. They are being worked on. The players are being tanned. The work is going on. There is no let up. The league is important insofar as wins are vital, and they are being collected while the work goes on on the bigger issues. Its important to keep getting the wins, because it keeps c***ts like us off their backs while the real work goes on behind the scenes. I'll take any win, breathing room, promotion, and signs of progress. Anyone who expects to see us play like Kerry just yet, needs to reset their expectations. This is going to take time. Give him the time. The players are.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 14, 2018, 01:53:41 PM
I'd be very sceptical of the idea that we can train grown men how to tackle successfully. For a start if you don't have pace you can't get close enough to tackle which is still a problem for way too many of our senior footballers. Tackling skills are embedded from when lads are 12-14 and pace is untrainable.

Joe Higgins and Cahir Healy were already tackling like pros when they were 17/18.

Also, there is a difference between a blanket defence and a successful blanket defence. When Tyrone and Armagh were in their prime they would all filter back and dislodge the ball or draw a foul if you tried to run through them. Laois under McNulty were good at times too. Under O'Flaharta for example we had a blanket defence and conceded huge scores.

We are suffering from years of poor underage teams and of an annual influx of 2-3 talented and pacey footballers into the senior ranks. We had the best underage structures in the country for many years and blew it when we thought we had 'done the job'. As for the quality of our clubs and club championship....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 14, 2018, 03:11:19 PM
To be honest, a lot comes down to luck, too. The underage setup now is as good or better compared to what it was in the 90's or 2000's. I played with a lot of the lads around the time of our 90's minor success. And I swear, there was talent coming out of everywhere at that time. Most club teams had at least 3-4 inter county standard players. The underage structure and setup wasn't a whole lot different to what it is today. I think a lot of people overestimate the setup then, and underestimate the setup now, based on it's product of talent. My point being : sometimes in a county as small as Laois, you can have waves of years where you have plentiful talent, and you can have waves where you're struggling a bit. Of course, training and development comes into it, but when you have genuine top level raw talent, it doesn't take a lot at all to harness that into a very good senior player.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Heshs Umpire on February 14, 2018, 03:16:36 PM
Promotion is the minimum target. We should be winning the final of this in Croke Park. After that? Wexford away is one I'd  like to think we can win. Then Westmeath. We'll know where we are after that.
Sugrue has a problem though. It's the same problem Creedon , Lillis and O Flatharta had. The underage supply line has dried up big time. 2007 minors was our last great underage team.
The 2003 and 2004 lads are nearly gone now. Only Quigley, Begley, Timmons and Donoher left I think.
It's hard trying to plug the gaps with chaps who've done little or nothing at the top level. But we need to keep trying. I've great hopes for the likes of Daly (despite my dislike of that transfer), Diarmuid Whelan and young Coffey and Slevin of Port. Kelly of Joes will come again I'm sure and same goes for Sean Moore. Pity Meredith isn't involved. Fine player.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 14, 2018, 03:47:18 PM
Is the underage setup still poor in the county? Personally, I haven't got a clue,
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 14, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
To be honest, a lot comes down to luck, too. The underage setup now is as good or better compared to what it was in the 90's or 2000's. I played with a lot of the lads around the time of our 90's minor success. And I swear, there was talent coming out of everywhere at that time. Most club teams had at least 3-4 inter county standard players. The underage structure and setup wasn't a whole lot different to what it is today. I think a lot of people overestimate the setup then, and underestimate the setup now, based on it's product of talent. My point being : sometimes in a county as small as Laois, you can have waves of years where you have plentiful talent, and you can have waves where you're struggling a bit. Of course, training and development comes into it, but when you have genuine top level raw talent, it doesn't take a lot at all to harness that into a very good senior player.

Maybe other counties have moved forward leaving us behind.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 14, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Underage structures is one thing but the bottom line is we just don't have the players to compete at a higher level? Maybe the players are just not there at the moment?. As for Heshs post most of them players are minors and have a long way to go. Underage club football in Laois is one thing but senior inter county football will be a step too far for some of those guys in my opinion .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 14, 2018, 04:13:51 PM
PLAYERS NOT COMING THROUGH ETC ETC ETC  ::)


Lads we have went over and over this discussion again and again its really for another thread can we stick to the current players in the league the form of them and what the matches training and all things related to our division 4 journey plus what has or might happen.


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 14, 2018, 07:50:26 PM
PLAYERS NOT COMING THROUGH ETC ETC ETC  ::)


Lads we have went over and over this discussion again and again its really for another thread can we stick to the current players in the league the form of them and what the matches training and all things related to our division 4 journey plus what has or might happen.
They're not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 15, 2018, 10:50:05 AM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helmut on February 15, 2018, 11:34:40 AM
In fairness it did look like he was saving himself on Saturday for this match.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 15, 2018, 11:53:11 AM
In fairness it did look like he was saving himself on Saturday for this match.
BURN.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 15, 2018, 12:46:38 PM
Two periods of extra time as well
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 15, 2018, 02:38:54 PM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Didn't score from play  ;)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 15, 2018, 02:51:43 PM
Neither did Lowry . One point and it was a free.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 15, 2018, 02:52:55 PM
Where can I see the highlights?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 15, 2018, 03:20:17 PM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Didn't score from play  ;)
Was involved in a lot of plays, carried good ball throughout by the looks.

We're a great auld county for dragging a lad down all the same. Thats two now, to one simple post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgvq3uAwJY
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on February 15, 2018, 05:20:32 PM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Didn't score from play  ;)
Was involved in a lot of plays, carried good ball throughout by the looks.

We're a great auld county for dragging a lad down all the same. Thats two now, to one simple post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgvq3uAwJY

Have to agree with you on that Don. It's certainly a strange kind of support anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 15, 2018, 06:51:52 PM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Didn't score from play  ;)
Was involved in a lot of plays, carried good ball throughout by the looks.

We're a great auld county for dragging a lad down all the same. Thats two now, to one simple post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgvq3uAwJY

Have to agree with you on that Don. It's certainly a strange kind of support anyway.
I has a little wink thing after my post to be fair. Anyone kicking 5 points from frees and 45s in a Sigerson semi is doing grand by me.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on February 15, 2018, 10:49:50 PM
Apologies if I misunderstood what you meant. Hopefully he can bring his college form to the county setup.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on February 16, 2018, 10:41:45 AM
Truth be told I have been critical of Evan in the past...and indeed I've felt the wrath of DD in this regard

Just watched those highlights and he certainly made a big impact on this game for sure
Freetaking outstanding

Seems fitter and more focused....good news for Laois
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Clubber Lang on February 16, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
Evan has all the attributes to be an exellent footballer for Laois. The last few seasons he probably wasn't where he needed to be be physically to play inter-county championship football. This year he seems to have rectified that and having a run playing on UCD team will definitely stand to him. I expect O'Carroll to nail down starting position come the championship.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 16, 2018, 05:20:07 PM
A few games into the league, the team for championship (barring injury), in my opinion, is coming together a bit like this:

Brody

Holland, Timmons, Attride,

Lillis, Begley, Dillon,

O' Loughlin, O' Reilly,

O Carroll, P Kingston, Donaher,

Lowry, D Kingston, Walsh

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 16, 2018, 06:11:09 PM
A few games into the league, the team for championship (barring injury), in my opinion, is coming together a bit like this:

Brody

Holland, Timmons, Attride,

Lillis, Begley, Dillon,

O' Loughlin, O' Reilly,

O Carroll, P Kingston, Donaher,

Lowry, D Kingston, Walsh
Yeah, hard to see it being much different from that Tony. Maybe Quigley will get back but hard to see it. O'Connor could also be in the running?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 16, 2018, 06:28:03 PM
Yes Pro, O Connor if he gets back into it could slot into Attrides position with Stephen maybe moving to the wing in place of Lillis. Damien has lots of pace although I don't think the corner is his best position. I guess it all depends on injuries etc and also - maybe a few more lads will try to put a stamp on their position between now and the summer - the latter games of the league on harder ground will tell a lot. It would be excellent to get a league final but we can't get complacent yet - some tough tests ahead. I'm often reminded of how just a few more lads with real quality would impact the squad - for example if we had Cahir Healy, Merideth and Zach Tuohy back. Wishful thinking I suppose - we have to work with who we have available.

Having said that, I can't help but notice that this line up looks very good.

Brody,

Cahir Healy, Timmons, Attride,

Lillis, Begley, Dillon,

O Loughlin, O Reilly,

O Carroll, P Kingston, Zach Tuohy,

Conor Merideth, D Kingston, G Walsh.


Maybe one day  :)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: jimbob2 on February 17, 2018, 08:57:41 PM
My old computer is working again. I have enjoyed  reading Dons posts, he is the man!!!!!!!
Tony donít forget Davy Conway, a student of Ross for years and when fit in my opinion is our best left full forward ( if that position even exists any more in the new gaa game). As said before I am very reluctant to pass negative judgement on any of our players. As a former player of some years ago and having a few family members playing at different levels, criticisms should be carefully thought out. However advice should always be taken on board whether you are a player, manager or poster!!!!. From what I have seen so far this year the freshness of  a new set up has had a predictable result in the understudies racing from the blocks and giving the regulars a wake up call, which is always a positive.
I like The new manager and have watched him take charge of various under age laois teams and have been really impressed. Senior inter county is a different story  in the new era, we have finished up in a league where as a spectator I can go to a game and have some confidence that we are playing in a division where we can be competitive and win games and that's not a bad thing. As regards my opinion on the team, new players need lots of games and time to become consistent inter county players, I like young Holland, he reminds me a lot of a young Healy who only for injury had pledged to play for both hurlers and footballers this year, you might see him yet before the year is out. I have to say that at this stage with the needed wake up call and a fresh management team that the majority of the new players are not quiet ready to take the places of the majority of the reinvigorated established players, this will take more time in what is a very positive camp. Big Donies return was so necessary going forward, (purer class) and good to see paul has put up some weight and strength which will improve his game this year. I can see a positive year ahead and why not enjoy the prospect of a possible croke park appearance and our good friends Carlow maybe making it an interesting finale, and then progress as underdogs with a bite.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 18, 2018, 12:20:53 AM
Went to the sigerson final today and I think Lowry will push very hard for a place. Very good worker and a good passer, I thought he kicked two points but the reports had him with one. In a game where there was never really a full forward line on either team he played much deeper and was very direct. Not evan's best day, started as the lone full forward but was well beaten by the galway full back. Switched with McCarthy out the field which was the winning of the game and scored a good point. One brilliant pass in the second half for a score was the highlight but missed three frees when it was very tight and then drifted become being taken off.

A lot of real quality players on show. Barry from Kerry, comer, Mc Carthy, Cooke from galway. Casey from tipp is a gem and a player I would Laois to have. Big man, kickout option and also knocked over three points when it mattered.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 18, 2018, 01:55:49 AM
Here is the full game from TG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bUgBM8SeGw

Kieran Molloy had a busy day, fair play to him...
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/kieran-molloy-corofin-sub-nuig-sigerson-cup-final-383471
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 18, 2018, 12:23:51 PM
He looked very stiff when he came on. Liam silke in the same both didn't come on for ucd
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on February 18, 2018, 02:31:03 PM
Was at the game Evan found himself under pressure after a couple of early mistakes
Free taking was poor....seemed a bit tired after midweek exertions

Lowry played really well....I thought he got 2 scores to be honest
Great timing work rate and awareness

Seems well regarded tactically by teammates



Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: gaastats on February 19, 2018, 12:39:19 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Heshs Umpire on February 19, 2018, 08:53:10 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Attride is Killeshin not Crettyard. Interesting info.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on February 19, 2018, 09:12:52 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.
Did conor Meredith win one in 2015 with Begley
Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on February 19, 2018, 09:42:17 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Colm Parkinson was with IT Tralee in 1999, he was injured for the final if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 19, 2018, 09:58:51 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Colm Parkinson was with IT Tralee in 1999, he was injured for the final if I remember correctly.
Correct. Stephen Attride is Killeshin as well.

1976 Michael Dowling in Maynooth, is that the teacher?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helmut on February 19, 2018, 04:43:40 PM
On the hop has a few Sigerson programmes up on his excellent GAA Programme Collector facebook page  :)this week with the weeks thats in it.

DCU in 2006 also look to have the two Munnellys on it. No idea if they played or not but they were on the panel with Cahir.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helix on February 19, 2018, 05:35:24 PM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Colm Parkinson was with IT Tralee in 1999, he was injured for the final if I remember correctly.
Correct. Stephen Attride is Killeshin as well.

1976 Michael Dowling in Maynooth, is that the teacher?

Evin Keane the Heath was with DCU in 2016 also.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on February 19, 2018, 06:51:42 PM
Did Evan get called in for trials? He's a nice footballer. Ambrose Doran cut?

Is Cahillane injured?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 20, 2018, 02:03:08 AM
Did Evan get called in for trials? He's a nice footballer. Ambrose Doran cut?

Is Cahillane injured?

Don't think Ambrose Doran was in with the squad at all this year..
Tom Shiel seems to be gone though, he was there earlier this year.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: gaastats on February 20, 2018, 06:32:44 AM
1976 Michael Dowling in Maynooth, is that the teacher?

Yes. The Heath NS.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 20, 2018, 09:38:30 AM
Did Evan get called in for trials?
Is he abroad? Something in the back of my head says he is.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2018, 09:48:16 AM
Did Evan get called in for trials?
Is he abroad? Something in the back of my head says he is.
Graduated last year, spent time in NY, not sure he's still there though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on February 20, 2018, 10:20:02 AM
That Murphy chap from Port back fit? He'll surely get a run in the league over the next few weeks
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: steven seagal on February 20, 2018, 10:37:32 AM
Quote
Graduated last year, spent time in NY, not sure he's still there though.

He's back but injured himself while abroad, only getting back to a bit of training now
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 20, 2018, 10:50:44 AM
Cahillane is nearly ready to play but I heard the Soccer Club are putting pressure on him to come back!

I hope he stays with Laois !
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2018, 11:06:53 AM
Cahillane is nearly ready to play but I heard the Soccer Club are putting pressure on him to come back!

I hope he stays with Laois !

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: South Laois man on February 20, 2018, 05:38:46 PM
Good option off the bench. Not sure he'd be a starter with everyone fit. If that's the case maybe he'll go back to the soccer.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 21, 2018, 08:04:53 AM
I think he would push for a starting spot ..him walsh and kingston be a good full forward line
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on February 21, 2018, 10:59:22 PM
Is he not dropped?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 21, 2018, 11:27:35 PM
Is he not dropped?

No
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on February 22, 2018, 02:26:18 PM
Been away from the country and football scene(still am) for awhile now. It seems the team is doing ok albeit it is Division 4 football. From looking at the remaining fixtures the hardest ones are to come starting with Wicklow on Sunday. This game will give us some idea on where we are (sad to say though that a game against Wicklow is going to be a guideline on where we are right now). I hope i'm wrong but in my opinion some here are on false dawn mode recently. We have probably played the bottom 3 teams in Ireland so far.  I personally think we could find Sunday very very difficult as will the games against Antrim & Carlow. IMO 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 22, 2018, 02:51:30 PM
I donít think we are in false dawn mode, I personally think we will improve far more than Carlow, Wicklow or Antrim as the summer approaches.  Our bright start is a consequence of decent management and a complete disaster of management ever since TOF.  We have been underperforming for years and this year we have someone while inexperienced clearly capable.  It is a pity that we have not yet got any semblance of our underage in order to allow continuous progression.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 22, 2018, 05:41:16 PM
I don't see anybody really on false dawn mode. We're being realistic - promotion for div 4 and a couple of games in the leinster championship (maybe even a semi) is what we hope for. We're pleased with the setup this year but are def not getting carried away. I think that's the consensus across the board. By the way, the bookies also heavily favour us for promotion, as well doing well against Wexford in the Championship (currently 2/7 to beat Wexford). So objectively, we're doing well enough so far this year but nobody is getting carried away yet.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 22, 2018, 06:14:15 PM
Itís been a few years since a few of saw a proper semi
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 23, 2018, 10:35:23 AM
Anyword on the team?

I presume it will be same as the last day?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on February 23, 2018, 01:54:40 PM
Itís been a few years since a few of saw a proper semi

You don't suffer from the limpness yourself Don?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 23, 2018, 04:39:57 PM
At the moment we are the second most attack minded team in Ireland.....


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 23, 2018, 04:50:04 PM
Itís been a few years since a few of saw a proper semi

You don't suffer from the limpness yourself Don?
About time someone picked up on it
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 23, 2018, 05:00:59 PM
At the moment we are the second most attack minded team in Ireland.....





Yes love these stats!!!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 23, 2018, 11:12:53 PM
One change. Donoher for O'Reilly.
Harsh on O'Reilly. I'd have gone with Donoher for Farrell.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on February 24, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
i cant get myself excited for one game this year in this division and i know the lads are trying and management are doing a good job but the standard of football is so poor,letrim lost all there games limerick lost all there games waterford drew one and wicklow are as bad i see us wining and it will come down to the antrim game and carlow game and not in my lifetime have i ever rated either team,just win the division and get the hell back up to some competitive football
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 24, 2018, 12:08:07 PM
i cant get myself excited for one game this year in this division and i know the lads are trying and management are doing a good job but the standard of football is so poor,letrim lost all there games limerick lost all there games waterford drew one and wicklow are as bad i see us wining and it will come down to the antrim game and carlow game and not in my lifetime have i ever rated either team,just win the division and get the hell back up to some competitive football
Kinda the same. If we don't win the division it'll be very disappointing.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: bannside on February 24, 2018, 12:31:50 PM
Did Antrim not beat you on your own turf in the qualifiers just two years ago. You may not rate us...but you are where you are for a reason! (You can work that bit out yourself Town).
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on February 24, 2018, 12:49:27 PM
One change. Donoher for O'Reilly.
Harsh on O'Reilly. I'd have gone with Donoher for Farrell.
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Injury driven selection by all accounts not in the squad
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 24, 2018, 01:12:27 PM

                                              1. Graham Brody (Portlaoise)

2. David Holland (Portlaoise) 3. Shane Nerney (OíDempseyís) 4. Ruadhri C Fennell (Rosenallis)

   5. Trevor Collins (Graiguecullen) 6. Colm Begley (Stradbally) 7. Gareth Dillon (Portlaoise)

                         8. John OíLoughlin (St Brigidís) 9. Kieran Lillis (Portlaoise)

   10. Alan Farrell (Ballylinan) 11. Paul Kingston (Arles-Killeen) 12. Niall Donoher (Courtwood)

  13. Ross Munnelly (Arles-Kilcruise) 14. Gary Walsh (Ballylinan) 15. Evan OíCarroll (Crettyard)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on February 24, 2018, 04:57:50 PM
Could anyone give me a shout with directions to aughrim lads, from stradbally what would be the handiest way?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Zooming around on February 24, 2018, 05:09:40 PM
Could anyone give me a shout with directions to aughrim lads, from stradbally what would be the handiest way?

I wouldnít start from there.

The handiest way would be to drive.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on February 24, 2018, 05:21:07 PM
I will be driving, what's the handiest route I was wondering? Google maps isn't much helpful
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Catch and Kick on February 24, 2018, 08:04:16 PM
Through Carlow, Hacketstown, Tinahely, Aughrim. Straightforward
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on February 24, 2018, 08:40:04 PM
Could anyone give me a shout with directions to aughrim lads, from stradbally what would be the handiest way?

I wouldnít start from there.

The handiest way would be to drive.

There's always one!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on February 25, 2018, 08:38:59 AM
Through Carlow, Hacketstown, Tinahely, Aughrim. Straightforward

Probably. You can go via the M7 to Newbridge. Come off at the Curragh and you're cross country from there...Kilcullen, Dunlavin....Aughrim Nice drive.

Google maps is sending me via Ballitore, Baltinglass, Rathdangan, Aughrim.

I've a mate who lives near the stadium. He's making tea & hang sangidges for any Laois people travelling down.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on February 25, 2018, 06:34:10 PM
Straightforward enough afternoon. Wicklow were poor and unfit. Typically of poor teams, they tried to rush things and only served to blow their own gaskets. We made a lot of handling errors ourselves, but we had a bit more class about us in the right places. There's a lot more to do, but at least we're ticking along.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 25, 2018, 07:23:20 PM
An awful game.
Wicklow are close to being the worst team in the land.
I pray we can get promoted.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 25, 2018, 07:35:36 PM
I thought it was our best performance so far, we made a lot of errors but none of them critical like in Leitrim. priority is to get out of this division, Wicklow were shocking, I never seen so many one footed players on a team, they were constantly turning back out the field. big games ahead and must wins because there is nothing to be gained staying here. first half with the wind we built up a good lead. Wicklow were very defensive but we kicked some good points, gary getting a goal to give us breathing space. we pressed up on their kickouts leaving only one or two in our half at times and it forced them to kick long. we dominated a lot of the ball as we had a lot of bodies in the area. we again defended very narrow at times, which appears to be a tactic.Second half a mess, 0-6 points all and the majority of them on both sides, frees. they hadn't the power to trouble us and we retreated back, playing keep ball at times. we ran the bench and gave a good few a run, taking off the regulars as they were starting to tackle a bit wild. for what its worth,

brody was rarely troubled and his kickouts very good. we played a two man full back line and they weren't troubled. nerney much better today. fennel was sticky and dogged but might overdue watching his man rather than the ball. Begley sat in front of them and handled a lot of ball, thought he was very good. Dillon was better today, its a pity he doesn't back himself going forward. Collins much quieter and replaced by strong. Crowley started instead of Holland and was on a lot of ball. mixed a bit of everything, got into great positions but tended to get stripped of the ball to often. I thought we dominated midfield. JOL was very good and Lillis kicked a great score and was much better and fitter looking today. we kicked 1-16 but you felt there was a bit more there, played with three and the full forward line in the first half and did well. completely withdrew in the second half and it was a bit of a slog. Farrell was injured and was replaced by Glynn. Paul Kingston handled a lot of ball, got it hard off his marker physically which he doesn't like but in fairness the ref was letting a bit go. donaher was ok. evan had a good game, kicked two good fress against the wind in the second half, ross kicked I think two or three from play. gary got the goal but it probably wasn't his best game and was replaced by donie. donie came on and was positioned around midfield/centre forward. he rarely left that position and I thought he should have been put in nearer the goals. a load of subs were given a run as well.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on February 25, 2018, 07:38:29 PM
Played well fitness was showing lots of faces got game time
No goals conceded free count was down.
Job done players were happy morale looks high.
Very easy to voice negatives than positives enough of that done here over the years lets enjoy the victories for a change
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on February 26, 2018, 08:21:24 AM
Yes. We're in Div4, but we need to get out. You cannot do that without winning games. It's a three-horse race and we have to play numbers 2, 3 & 4 in the league yet. A lot of football yet to be played and one of three teams will be disappointed.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 26, 2018, 09:22:14 AM
Last year we were dreadful, week in week out I called for the managements head.  Regardless of division this management is doing a good job.  They will be promoted, we are clearly miles in front of most teams in this division.  Credit where credit is due hopefully the improvement can be sustained into championship and beyond.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 26, 2018, 09:28:41 AM
Wicklow were poor but I've seen us get dragged down to that level before in the last few years...

We were a lot fitter in all areas.

I thought Begley was excellent today great composure on the ball and in good positions off it.

JOL had a good game as well and apart from loosing two possesions Crowley was decent.

Evan kicked two superb frees against the wind in a second half that was hard to watch.

Again Munnelly chipped in with 3 points from play and he will keep his place .

Donie came on but hasn't the fitness yet for out the field but done okay.

Paul stood out and was counted despite getting a lot of rough treatment from a dirty marker.

Niall donoher was decent aswell and always backed up Laois players in good positions.

Walsh was a bit quieter today but his goal was really well taken!

We look a lot fitter than we did for the last three years.!!


Easy to be negative all the time but a win is a win division 4 is what it is and if anyone had to have said we would come away with a 9 point win in aughrim I think we'd have all taken it.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 26, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
Jesus Ballyroan don't get too excited yet the big tests still have to come against the teams around us. Wasn't at the game yesterday but job done I suppose 4from4 now albeit we have probably played the four worst teams in the country. Antrim next week may be a banana skin but if we play we should beat them .Then a trip to London ye don't really know what to expect over there. Lastly then the toughest one down in Carkow and you can be sure those f**kers would love to bate us.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on February 26, 2018, 02:04:15 PM
If we beat Antrim and London we're promoted so doesn't matter what happens in Carlow and we most probably be playing them in Croke Park in Div final.

As someone else said the standard is poor in this division so if a county has any aspirations they get out of there.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on February 26, 2018, 02:09:38 PM
We owe Antrim one after that championship defeat a few years ago. There'll be a big crowd Sunday with it being a double header (if the snow is gone by then). Any update on injuries to Quigley, Attride, Timmons, Murphy and Booth?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 26, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
We owe Antrim one after that championship defeat a few years ago. There'll be a big crowd Sunday with it being a double header (if the snow is gone by then). Any update on injuries to Quigley, Attride, Timmons, Murphy and Booth?
We may have wished to wipe it from our memories, but Antrim beat us last year also.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 26, 2018, 02:21:40 PM
We owe Antrim one after that championship defeat a few years ago. There'll be a big crowd Sunday with it being a double header (if the snow is gone by then). Any update on injuries to Quigley, Attride, Timmons, Murphy and Booth?

Sugrue said in his interview that Attride and Timmons are back training and that Booth is there or there abouts. Quigley will be a while longer but is running and he didn't mention Murphy as far as I can remember.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 26, 2018, 02:32:35 PM
Jesus Ballyroan don't get too excited yet the big tests still have to come against the teams around us. Wasn't at the game yesterday but job done I suppose 4from4 now albeit we have probably played the four worst teams in the country. Antrim next week may be a banana skin but if we play we should beat them .Then a trip to London ye don't really know what to expect over there. Lastly then the toughest one down in Carkow and you can be sure those f**kers would love to bate us.

Antrim, London & Carlow are not big tests.  Excuses are the refuge of the ill-prepared, I don't think our management are ill-prepared.  We have far more talent available than Carlow, Antrim or London.   If we want to see ourselves down with them I am sure we can find a way.  Laois are simply far better than the above 3,  I don't think we will be caught on the hop and will qualify with ease.  It's an Irish thing to under play ourselves.  We can only beat what's in front of us and hopefully keep improving into the championship.  Of course we are going to find tougher tests against Div 1,2 & 3 teams but this Div 4 is absolutely deplorable and it's disgrace we were actually bad enough to be in it. (Deservedly So)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 26, 2018, 03:05:34 PM
I personally wouldn't call ourselves "way better" than Carlow or Antrim.Maybe on our day yes, but I've seen nothing to suggest so. It's a three horse race mate. Remember Antrim are going for three in a row against us. And I'm not being negative I'm being realistic and grounded.Theres a reason we are down with these "deplorable" teams. If we play we should still get out of this division .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 26, 2018, 03:44:36 PM
I personally wouldn't call ourselves "way better" than Carlow or Antrim.Maybe on our day yes, but I've seen nothing to suggest so. It's a three horse race mate. Remember Antrim are going for three in a row against us. And I'm not being negative I'm being realistic and grounded.Theres a reason we are down with these "deplorable" teams. If we play we should still get out of this division .

Reason we are in this division is the absolute tripe management of TOF(spoofer),  neither Peter nor Mick were great but TOF was absolute tripe who should have been ran after a year.   Lillis nor Creedon could steady the ship, however this management combined with the opportunity Div 4 provides have done things right.  They will qualify with ease, we will be in a Div 4 final and will win it.  I am not going to sit on the fence and talk up teams I don't rate.  They can stick it on the wall to motivate themselves but the real work is on the training pitch, are we scared of saying we have worked hard gone about our business in the right way and are reaping the benefits of a good campaign?  There of course will be issues when we come up against the better teams but Antrim, Carlow and London are not one of them.

I am sure there is the possibility we may be caught out in 1/3  games up coming if we have already been promoted and we take our foot off the pedal but I guarantee they won't beat us in the Div 4 final ala Donegal in Portlaoise and then the real business in Croke Park a couple of weeks later.(Div 2 final I am overcome with nostalgia) a few years ago.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 26, 2018, 03:52:03 PM
Carlow have certainly improved and showed that in the championship last year especially against a good monaghan team.


They wouldn't be a walk in the park for anyone in division 3 or 4 ...

I had ratings all done out but deleted them by mistake and I couldnt be bothered typing all that again..

Ill do a quick run through of what I thought..

I stress again these marks are just honest opinion I respect every player who puts on a Laois jersey and the commitment thay make.

G Brody 7 Good kickouts looks sharp as always
F Crowley 7 did himself no harm but needs to be stronger on the ball
S Neary 7 better than the last day
R Fennell 7 again better than the last day but bigger tests to come
T Collins 7 nice point but drifted out of the game for spells
C Begley 9 man of the match for me great positioning and control and scored a beauty
G Dillon 6 still to get going this year but carried ball well
J O'Loughlin 8 best tackler again and was strong under the ball
K Lillis 7 nice score looks fitter every game he plays
A Farrell 6 hope his injury isn't bad looked serious
P Kingston 7 on a lot of ball wasted none
N Donoher 7 Good performance from the Courtwood man
R Munnelly 8Rolling back the year few nice scores from play could have had more
G Walsh 7 Not his best and few bad wides but scored a cracker of a goal
E O'Carroll 7 much better two from play and showed and carried well.Two superb long range frees aswell
B Glynn 6 worked hard but not on the ball too much
D Kingston 6 drifted out the field not really suited to a game against the wind as of yet
E Lowry 5 didn't get much ball but Laois's attacks were slow in the second half
D Strong 7 looked composed on the ball
 J Farrell and B carroll not really on long enough to rate
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 26, 2018, 04:00:46 PM
We shall see with Carlow, but they are getting overly talked up for two games which they lost they beat Wexford, London & Leitrim in last years championship not exactly top table stuff.  Best of luck to them but I just don't see it. 

I am sure there is someone lurking on here who will remind of these posts should I be proved wrong, stay lurking I am safe enough it won't be happening.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 26, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
Ahh Ballyroan 😂😂 where have u drawn this optimism from? We have beaten the four worst teams in the country. Do u not remember we mightn't of beaten Waterford two weeks ago If Donie didn't come on?  Are we in a better place now? Or is it that we falsely look in a better place cause we beat the four basement boys of Ireland? Just think about it? With the current crop a realistic aim would be a mid- div3 team maybe push for promotion but we aren't good enough for Div 2 football I think.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 26, 2018, 07:37:25 PM
Yes so far we have played 31,30,29,28 now we are playing 27,26  and 24/23  and we are somewhere around 20-17 don't think that's optimistic.  I think any of the top 4 teams in Div 3 could avoid relegation in Div 2 and be competitive provided the right management.  Equally badly managed teams can be horrific.  I think discernibly different talent levels are probably evident at top of Div 2 and Div 1.  I really think it took absolutely brutal levels of incompetence to get Laois to Div 4.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 26, 2018, 07:46:29 PM
Yes good point but I still feel that there is big defensive issues.Some of these teams mightn't be altogether good enough to show them though .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 26, 2018, 11:30:27 PM
unlaois - the programme was wrong that was Darren strong not Holland that came on.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 27, 2018, 02:12:56 AM



Antrim are the only team in Div.4 who haven't conceded a goal yet. That's a statistic we can aim to change next week as well as getting the two points.
They scored 2-56 where we have scored 4-40, that's 62 to 52 so we could be up against it next Sunday.

Carlow too are scoring very freely so we will have to tighten up at the back to win both of these games.
It's gonna be tough from here on in and anyone thinks any different are only fooling themselves.


John Sugrue's thoughts on the game last Sunday
https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/john-sugrue-post-wicklow
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 27, 2018, 07:49:35 AM
Seriously who are we fooling ? Simply put we have no business talking about football if we manage to get beaten by a county which is struggling every year to field teams let alone win.  I refuse to underplay our hand, we quite simply are in the strongest position we have been in years.  Our manager is an impressive individual who seems to be getting the vast majority of calls right.  He is a breath of fresh air and should be resourced accordingly.  The amount of money wasted over the last five years on complete ineptitude is staggering,  It may be an inexperienced management setup but they are getting results and I think the majority of us would agree going about their business in the right way.  I am not getting ahead of myself as I feel Sugrue got a break by being in Div 4, of course life would be much more difficult in Div 2 & 3   The standard level of Div 4 is appalling for anyone that enjoys football I would think Portlaoise would be capable of beating most of teams down there.

I have advocated this the vast majority of time that we have been on the GAAboard  forum, namely that there are more than enough lads with the intelligence & capability of being managers of our inter county team within the county.  The amount of mercenaries/muppets that got paid to be here over the years is unbelievable, it's fine every now and again to shoot for the stars with a Micko to get us over the line.  But I would much prefer one of own who has come through the ranks and knows ever facet of our county club scene.

P.S I realize Sugrue is from Kerry but he qualifies under the residency rule :)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 27, 2018, 09:33:22 AM
As Sugrue himself would say "Cmere I wancha, my son is a Laois man, my wife is a Laois woman, I'm a Laois man". He's been in Laois on and off close to 15 years now. He's one of our own. Spoke very impressively last night, as did the rest of the county management of the grades. Shame there wasn't more representatives from the clubs present to listen to them, they might have learned something.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 27, 2018, 10:10:19 AM
Don, were there many clubs not represented last night? Who ever they are they should be ashamed. They are the people holding Laois football back.

How did Billy O'Loughlin come across last night?

And the minor manager?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 27, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
Who are we fooling you say? As I said the hardest ties have to come . Seen a stat there Leitrim only scored 0-5 against Carlow and 0-5 against Antrim put managed 3-10 against us plus missed a penalty and one or two more point blank goals. So it's not as if we are invincible in this division. A defensive plan will need to be sorted out before the championship and maybe even against Carlow and Antrim.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 27, 2018, 01:28:11 PM
No arguments on tighter defense and any improvements that need implemented, , I donít think the Div 4 teams will test us in that regard.  The unfortunate thing for Laois is that their frailties will be exposed by the better teams in championship where there is little time to rectify them.  I just donít see three mentioned in that regard.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 27, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Yeah good point actually but I still feel we should be working on a defensive plan for the "better teams" in the championship so we are prepared for it . But I suppose first and foremost get out of div4 and then start preparing for the definite fact we will be facing better opposition come some point in the championship. We can't be giving away scores at ease like before . Clare hit us for 2-18 last year and a poor Offaly side hit us for 3-16 in the league .the second half in Leitrim brought back bad memories that worry me. I think we should beat Wexford in the championship but after that I'd be worried about what the Westmeath or Kildare foward could do to us .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on February 27, 2018, 04:50:24 PM



Antrim are the only team in Div.4 who haven't conceded a goal yet. That's a statistic we can aim to change next week as well as getting the two points.
They scored 2-56 where we have scored 4-40, that's 62 to 52 so we could be up against it next Sunday.

Carlow too are scoring very freely so we will have to tighten up at the back to win both of these games.
It's gonna be tough from here on in and anyone thinks any different are only fooling themselves.


John Sugrue's thoughts on the game last Sunday
https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/john-sugrue-post-wicklow

If we beat Antrim and London we'er up  right  ??
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 27, 2018, 05:23:03 PM
Ye if we beat Antrim and London the last match is effectively a friendly
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 27, 2018, 11:51:36 PM
If we beat  Antrim and London we get promoted. The last game is against Carlow who we will probably meet again in the Division 4 final shortly afterwards.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 28, 2018, 09:19:57 AM
Ye if we beat Antrim and London the last match is effectively a friendly

They might not even play it if fixtures get cancelled much in the next two weeks!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BrendanAntrim on February 28, 2018, 09:47:10 AM
If we are off this week due to the weather, and we go on to beat Carlow at home before visiting Laois...that would be a very tasty affair. :)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 28, 2018, 09:57:18 AM
Ye if we beat Antrim and London the last match is effectively a friendly

They might not even play it if fixtures get cancelled much in the next two weeks!

It will still be an important game for Antrim who could get promoted if we manage to beat Carlow in the regular league match.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on February 28, 2018, 05:26:11 PM
It wonít be yee are the worst team in ulster and have been for a long time
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 28, 2018, 08:39:45 PM
It wonít be yee are the worst team in ulster and have been for a long time

And beat us last year
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BrendanAntrim on February 28, 2018, 08:42:52 PM
And in 2015.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tintin84 on March 01, 2018, 07:43:25 PM
Will the game against London now be pushed out. As this weekend's fixtures that are postponed are due to be played mext weekend i think, Anyone know? As i have flights and accommodation booked.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 01, 2018, 07:52:50 PM
Don't think so I think Antrim will be played the weekend of 17/18 March
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tintin84 on March 01, 2018, 07:59:39 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0301/944387-weekends-entire-allianz-league-programme-cancelled/

It says on that all games fixed this weekend moved too next.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on March 01, 2018, 08:38:15 PM
Have no fear the London game is going ahead as planned. We can't play the 17/18th as the only teams we havent played Antrim/carlow are playing each other.
Pushing the league final a week to follow suit with the NHL will likely happen
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 02, 2018, 07:31:12 PM
Will the game against London now be pushed out. As this weekend's fixtures that are postponed are due to be played mext weekend i think, Anyone know? As i have flights and accommodation booked.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/03/02/laois-footballers-face-fixture-dilemma-following-antrim-postponement/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on March 04, 2018, 09:48:03 PM
Good to see the lads back at it this morning in portlaoise college. Look like a happy crew.
May it continue
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helix on March 05, 2018, 11:03:52 PM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28498.msg1785927;topicseen#new

Thread linked above might be useful to a few making weekend in London and pubs around Ruislip.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 06, 2018, 12:55:02 AM
Team taking shape as so far so good for Laois footballers in promotion battle
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/03/04/team-taking-shape-far-good-laois-footballers-promotion-battle/

Laois footballers face fixture dilemma following Antrim postponement
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/03/02/laois-footballers-face-fixture-dilemma-following-antrim-postponement/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on March 06, 2018, 06:06:56 PM
Is there many of you heading to London for the weekend?

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on March 06, 2018, 06:48:51 PM
Looks like a lot more than do be at the matches anyway
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on March 06, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
Yep. I will be taking the long way though from my base in Stoke. Might just head down Saturday evening and met a few of the traveling gang from home for a few scoops in Hennessys .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on March 06, 2018, 10:41:32 PM
Yep flying out saturday at 2pm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on March 06, 2018, 10:47:50 PM
Is there somewhere central everyone is planning to meet up Saturday night? Could be a great night, Laois on tour! 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on March 07, 2018, 08:56:06 AM
We're staying in cricklewood should be good craic, Looking forward to it now. handicap 6 points its a tricky one.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on March 07, 2018, 08:58:10 AM
Its gas some of the lads heading over to London who wouldn't bother going to see Laois in O'Moore Park.

Should be a good trip !
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 07, 2018, 10:12:45 AM
Yep. I will be taking the long way though from my base in Stoke. Might just head down Saturday evening and met a few of the traveling gang from home for a few scoops in Hennessys .
See you there bro.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 08, 2018, 02:45:25 PM
Should be a great trip.

I know of 100s going!

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 08, 2018, 10:56:49 PM
Itís a glorified stag lads the game is irrelevant will walk that and like I stated we should win all games pulling up know one to stop big Donnie
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 09, 2018, 12:35:54 AM



https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/03/08/laois-football-team-named-trip-london/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 09, 2018, 08:37:46 AM
Itís a glorified stag lads the game is irrelevant will walk that and like I stated we should win all games pulling up know one to stop big Donnie
I hear the boys are planning on tying you to a lampost naked in Leicester Sq.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: steven seagal on March 09, 2018, 10:38:11 AM
Quote
know one to stop big Donnie

I know Mueller is trying to stop big Donnie anyway, presume that's what you're talking about?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 09, 2018, 11:15:53 AM
Mueller?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bueller on March 09, 2018, 11:24:26 AM
Mueller?
Yes?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 09, 2018, 11:25:17 AM
Who's Mueller?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 09, 2018, 11:27:03 AM
Itís a glorified stag lads the game is irrelevant will walk that and like I stated we should win all games pulling up know one to stop big Donnie

Far from a Stag the players and sugure know there is a job to be done and won't be taking London for granted.

Yes the supporters will be over to enjoy the weekend and the novelty factor of it just like the hurling a few years ago.

It could encourage people to go more regular aswell when they meet some of the die hards over there and the buzz of a lot of Laois people away from home in the one area.

The lads will be glad of the extra support Sunday for the game and its sure to be a great occasion!

I for one am looking forward to it and most of all a victory!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 09, 2018, 11:38:33 AM
As for the team surprised to see Kingston in midfield but maybe he will switch with Dicey....


Lillis and Glynn are gone to Cahillane's stag so that leaves us short on options around the middle and half forward line!

Great to see Attride back I'm sure he will get the job of marking Gottsche !
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 09, 2018, 11:41:26 AM
Lillis and Glynn are gone to Cahillane's stag
f**king hell.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 09, 2018, 11:45:30 AM
I'm beginning to think are people prioritising this as a league game or are people more worried about a weekend on the beer.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 09, 2018, 11:49:20 AM
I'm beginning to think are people prioritising this as a league game or are people more worried about a weekend on the beer.
I'm looking forward to a weekend on the beer. I wasn't planning on bringing the boots so figured I'd be in the clear to enjoy the few pints.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 09, 2018, 11:54:35 AM
Anyone have any info on London team news?? Who's their danger men etc??
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 09, 2018, 12:20:02 PM
Not sure about London to be honest I know they are strong down the spine have a good full back two good midfielders and their centre forward seems to be their main man...

They are a settled team now with 6-7 of them playing the last 5-6 years which is unusual for the exiles and can only be a benefit to them.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 10, 2018, 02:01:03 AM
Lillis and Glynn are gone to Cahillane's stag
f**king hell.

Is Cahillane still on the panel, he hasn't featured in any game at all this year??
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on March 11, 2018, 12:08:34 AM
Big win for Carlow tonigjt.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helmut on March 11, 2018, 01:44:39 PM
Shocking stuff here at half time. The worst I ve seen thema long while.
Tactically the Laois line donít seem to have a clue and every time London attack they cut us apart.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 11, 2018, 04:04:50 PM
Shocking stuff here at half time. The worst I ve seen thema long while.
Tactically the Laois line donít seem to have a clue and every time London attack they cut us apart.
Obviously you missed the qualifier against Antrim a couple of years ago.

Actually I would take today as a good sign managing to win inspite of ourselves.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Give and Go on March 11, 2018, 05:20:13 PM
A win is a win. No one has had it handy over there this year. Promotion guaranteed and thats progress
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Catch and Kick on March 11, 2018, 07:44:17 PM
Not guaranteed yet. Must win another game?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 11, 2018, 08:18:23 PM
Didn't go to the match. Anyone stood out ? Who was poor etc? Brief summary?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BrendanAntrim on March 11, 2018, 10:19:56 PM
A win is a win. No one has had it handy over there this year. Promotion guaranteed and thats progress

Promotion guaranteed? With two games to come against the other top 3 sides. Hope thats what your players think too.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 11, 2018, 11:34:16 PM
Ye the two crunch games still have to come BrendanAntrim
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 12, 2018, 02:34:30 AM
Ye the two crunch games still have to come BrendanAntrim
They sure have, Antrim and Carlow will be major tests for this side. Watched Carlow Saturday night and they look very dangerous with some very good scoring forwards and serious pace around the middle and half back line.
Mark my words, we will really have to improve to get out of division 4 this year ....






Remaining Games:

18.03.2018
Antrim v Carlow, Ahoghill, 2.00
Waterford v Leitrim, Fraher Field, Dungarvan, 2.00
Wicklow v Limerick, Joule Park, Aughrim, 2.00

25.03.2018
Carlow v Laois, Netwatch Cullen Park, 1.00
Leitrim v Wicklow, PŠirc SeŠn Mac Diarmada, Carrick-on-Shannon, 1.00
Limerick v Antrim, Gaelic Grounds, 1.00
London v Waterford, McGovern Park, Ruislip, 1.00

31.03.2018
Laois v Antrim, O'Moore Park, Portlaoise
London v Leitrim, McGovern Park, Ruislip

Reports in the media this week suggest that the clash between London and Leitrim may not go ahead as it looks set to be a dead rubber.
The battle for promotion is between Carlow, Laois and Antrim, all of who play each other in the remaining games.
Should it be a case of the top two being finalised with one round to go, then the Division 4 final will revert to its original date of March 31st.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on March 12, 2018, 08:07:50 AM
That was a nervy day. Won and didn't play well at all against a limited London team. Game was played at 100 miles  an hour and it was a surprise to see so many players struggling to keep with it. Started like a train and had four bad wides in the first four minutes, we eventually had ten in the first half. They probably would have settled us and possibly made the game different. The finishing was very poor and we also missed at least four goals including two great saves. London played a blanket defense but positioned the two wing forwards wide on each touch line like all the teams we played so far. We played very narrow with both wing backs off their men and they exploited this by kicking diagonal balls in. They looked dangerous every time as we couldn't cope with this. We were out muscled on the first goal and horrible for the second. Six goals conceded now. We plugged away without ever getting away from them and fell over the line in the end. I said previously we don't have a defensive plan and left the two on the full back line isolated. I am amazed when both wing backs are constantly in the other half. The forwards didn't go well today. We replaced nearly all of them and would be better served with Gary at full forward, Donie is not fit or mobile enough at the moment.

Not to many good performances, attride and Begley near the end. Dillon is not a corner back and Crowley is too small for this level. Jol did huge work but he was on his own in midfield, Donie didn't last long and Danny o reilly while a willing runner is very poor in general play. Gary kicked his frees and a few from play but needs more space than the corner. Evan's best game in a while and he dragged us over the line. Can't understand the tactics with benny Carroll who spent most of the game marking space on the half back line. Paul Kingston looked to have pulled his hamstring at the end. We are going to find it tough in Carlow. Damien o Connor, Denis booth and David Conway were with the panel. Timmons was a sub and strong came on, so it's looking likely we will have much the same team as last year.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 12, 2018, 10:05:53 AM
Most of the teams at this level are like the Ireland rugby team of old. They are spirited and full of energy and then fizzle away shortly after half time. Watching the last 10 mins of Div 4 game is like watching a game in slow motion. You can't improve technically playing the game at a break neck pace, so just invite them on, keep the scores low and hit them on the break. Going toe to toe is winning matches against bad teams, but the second we step up in terms of opposition, we will suffer. It's great to be winning matches, but I'm far from convinced we're moving ahead with any real conviction. Defensively, we really don't have the right pegs for the right holes
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 12, 2018, 10:17:58 AM
Most of the teams at this level are like the Ireland rugby team of old. They are spirited and full of energy and then fizzle away shortly after half time. Watching the last 10 mins of Div 4 game is like watching a game in slow motion. You can't improve technically playing the game at a break neck pace, so just invite them on, keep the scores low and hit them on the break. Going toe to toe is winning matches against bad teams, but the second we step up in terms of opposition, we will suffer. It's great to be winning matches, but I'm far from convinced we're moving ahead with any real conviction. Defensively, we really don't have the right pegs for the right holes

I agree with you in principle but I think that only the top couple of teams in Div 2 and all the teams in Div 1 are technically proficient.  I really believe that it will be Div 2 before our inadequacies would be highlighted up till then you can travel along way on commitment and fitness.  I do think Sugrue looks promising as a manager.  You can't do anymore than win and more so than anywhere most on this forum are aware of Laois's problems.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helmut on March 12, 2018, 11:29:26 AM
Most of the teams at this level are like the Ireland rugby team of old. They are spirited and full of energy and then fizzle away shortly after half time. Watching the last 10 mins of Div 4 game is like watching a game in slow motion. You can't improve technically playing the game at a break neck pace, so just invite them on, keep the scores low and hit them on the break. Going toe to toe is winning matches against bad teams, but the second we step up in terms of opposition, we will suffer. It's great to be winning matches, but I'm far from convinced we're moving ahead with any real conviction. Defensively, we really don't have the right pegs for the right holes

I agree with you in principle but I think that only the top couple of teams in Div 2 and all the teams in Div 1 are technically proficient.  I really believe that it will be Div 2 before our inadequacies would be highlighted up till then you can travel along way on commitment and fitness.  I do think Sugrue looks promising as a manager.  You can't do anymore than win and more so than anywhere most on this forum are aware of Laois's problems.

I'm leaning more with highfielder on this at the moment. We are going toe to toe with the weakest teams in the country and limping across the line. I dont think we have improved in anyway from last year and as others have pointed out we are creeping slowly back to the same team that got us relegated.

As for Sugree it is far to early to make a judgement on him but I would be quietly worried about his tactics so far and how we play. We seem to be employing a philospy of marking space and no the actual man which means a lot of the time we leave an awful lot of the oppossiton free and stand 10-15 yards off them. This has caused us continous problems all during the league.

Our wingbacks are rarely in our own half and usually play overly narrow leaving massive gaps along each wing. This also leaves Nerney massively exposed on his own at times and often in a one on one situation which is tough on a new inexperienced player. This has happened in nearly every league game this season and hasnt been fixed.

We rarely have runners moving beyond the man with the ball, and on the rare occassions we do we look good so its baffling more isnt made of it. Our forward line is static and narrow to meaning we get bottled up alot and dont stretch defences like we should which probably contributes to why we dont score a lot more goals at this level.

As for yesterday most of the above happened. London had a simple game plan of keeping a tight compact shape in their own half without the ball and then when they broke they usually went wide and hit long diagonal balls into the forward line which caused havoc. It was obvious from early on that when there kickouts went long they lost it so they simply put a man on each touchline and we didnt go man for man and had an easy outball.

As for who played bad well truth be told most of them were poor yesterday. Donnie started in central midfield but looked lost. Was out muscled a few times and stripped and didnt have anywhere near the engery or mobility for the role required. Came into it a bit more when he was shifted forward and scored a lovely pint but overall was poor and came off. Ross as well wasnt at the races with some really bad wides and often let his man pass him by easily. Paul K made some lovely runs and bursts at times but often stopped them and went backwards killing the attack. looks to have had a nasty hamstring injury right at the end. Daniel O Reilly looked really out of his depth and while he tried hard he was swallowed up at least four or five times and dispossed. Benny Carroll played a strange roll that didnt suit him and spent most of the game standing ten foot off his man near they half way line.

Attride and Dillon struggled badly at wingback at times and Dillion looks illsuited to the pacey blocky man he was marking who shrugged him off very easily. Nerney again was exposed in a few one on ones but in his defence he was left completely open at times.

On the good side John O loughlin had a great game and carried an ocean of ball. He took an awful lot of abuse and hits which a poor ref let slide. Including a shove to the face when he was on the ground right infront of the ref and linesman which they left unpunished. He was visible angry at a lot of his own team and was shouting at them at times in frustration.

Begley started well and looked to have the legs on his man but seemed to fade badly and went out of the game. As on the hop noted above a lot of the players struggled with the pace.

Gary Walsh played well had a few nice scores but like a lot of others took the wrong option at the end to many times when a simple point was on. Especially in the closing stages when the game was so close and he went for a goal from an extremely difficult angle when he could have fisted the ball over.

Evan O Carroll had a great game best for us for a while. He showed a lot of fight putting in some big decent hits at times and made a lot of hard running at times. Very impressed with him.

So Carlow next I think and this will probably be the first decent match we will have this year. If we play like we have so far this year I think we will lose. Carlow have a decent set of forwards and with the space we leave at the back I can see a couple of goals. Hopefully I m wrong but you might get decent odds on Carlow getting 2 goals or more on this defence.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on March 12, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
With all respect to London can someone please tell me how the pace of the game could be too much for some of the Laois players?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 12, 2018, 01:23:15 PM
Good update Helmut.

For me it is quite simple. We don't have enough athletic skillful players. One by one the new guys are being replaced by the older guys who don't have the pace to compete. This crisis in Laois football will continue until we have the right type of talent flowing through. Until then, the manager will suffer the consequences rather than the football board and the clubs, who shoulder the true responsibility.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 12, 2018, 01:55:25 PM
Hard County to satisfy, unbeaten coming off a double relegation.  I think we should be more than happy with how things are going thus far considering what's available.  I do think we will be found out at some stage but there is 22 bad teams in the country.  Rome wasn't built in a day, first year management team they will learn a lot this year.  On another day we would have beaten London by 12.  I do agree what's coming through is not been maximized, every resource should be thrown at our underage set up.  Not just what they ask for we should go beyond this,  it's not good enough our U20's were left in limbo for 4 months.  If we are ever to improve this is where it will come from, the county board has to take the lead here in setting standards. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 12, 2018, 02:48:28 PM
Hard County to satisfy, unbeaten coming off a double relegation.  I think we should be more than happy with how things are going thus far considering what's available.  I do think we will be found out at some stage but there is 22 bad teams in the country.  Rome wasn't built in a day, first year management team they will learn a lot this year.  On another day we would have beaten London by 12.  I do agree what's coming through is not been maximized, every resource should be thrown at our underage set up.  Not just what they ask for we should go beyond this,  it's not good enough our U20's were left in limbo for 4 months.  If we are ever to improve this is where it will come from, the county board has to take the lead here in setting standards.

It is all about being better than as many teams in Ireland as possible and reaching levels that we have previously reached. I said it at the start of the league and I still think the same. I would rather us not get promoted and have a new team capable of building over 2-3 years into a competitive one than have the same team barely making promotion with no potential for the future. Based on limping over the line against mostly very poor teams this year, we are in danger of standing still with the same team we had over the last few years. Although we can't fault the guys that are there for effort, it is hard to see green shoots that will take us beyond division 3.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 12, 2018, 05:03:41 PM
What's the crack with Donie coming off? That's a bad sign? Was he poor ? Was he not arsed or what?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 12, 2018, 07:29:45 PM
What's the crack with Donie coming off? That's a bad sign? Was he poor ? Was he not arsed or what?
He came off with 5 minutes remaining having ran his legs off and busrted a lung. Get a grip. "Was he not arsed or what". Stupid comment. Yeah, not arsed, just like you were clearly not arsed even going to see the match or read up properly about it or listen to it. Donie's putting in very hard graft in training and doesn't deserve to be talked in those terms, in my opinion, from some faceless twat on the net.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 12, 2018, 08:02:52 PM
Tony before you start calling people t**ts I've loads of inside links in the panel so I know the suss
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 12, 2018, 08:05:05 PM
And as regards u calling me not arsed going to London well what was their to be gained from going? It was very poor according to reports .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 12, 2018, 08:05:56 PM
Good man.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 12, 2018, 08:26:13 PM
A win is a win but lads letís be real we are playing shite opposition and quality of the games just drag everything down...Carlow and Antrim are two of the worst teams in the country and there miles better than whatís below them.. we wonít see much about how tactically this management set teams up till they play better opposition but they can only beat whatís in front of them at the minute..but far stiffer tests lie ahead I think us and Carlow in the league final
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on March 12, 2018, 09:19:21 PM
And as regards u calling me not arsed going to London well what was their to be gained from going? It was very poor according to reports .
Supporting the players was what was to be gained
Jaysus
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 13, 2018, 08:11:42 AM
What's the crack with Donie coming off? That's a bad sign? Was he poor ? Was he not arsed or what?
He came off with 5 minutes remaining having ran his legs off and busrted a lung. Get a grip. "Was he not arsed or what". Stupid comment. Yeah, not arsed, just like you were clearly not arsed even going to see the match or read up properly about it or listen to it. Donie's putting in very hard graft in training and doesn't deserve to be talked in those terms, in my opinion, from some faceless twat on the net.
Ha, I like Donie, but the day he bursts a lung will be the day he's running for his life, and not before it. Donie is what he is at this stage, and thats all there is to it. He's never going to be a midfielder, thats for sure. We now have a problem, in that there's not enough room for Gary in the corner, and Donie can only really play full forward. I have faith in Sugrue to figure it out.

I wouldn't be too worried about the margin of victory on Sunday, if we'd converted what we should have, we'd have bet them out the gate. When we didn't, we left ourselves in a dogfight on foreign soil. They got the job done. Thats all that matters for now.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 13, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
It's all relative though, Don. Donie is not that fit at the moment, so playing an inter county game for 65 mins is very taxing, so he wasn't far off bursting a lung. It's a pity Donie's fitness isn't on a good level but he's still trying very hard. Proper fitness takes years and Donie tends to go in and out of fitness quite quickly. Anyway, besides all that, I think Midfield is an ok position for him, if his fitness was a lot better and he knows the position well with his club. It's hard to know Donie's best position to impact the team but if his fitness gets to a decent level this year, I'd alternate his position him between 11 and 14 as appropriate. In modern football, positions and numbers don't mean half as much as they did anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helmut on March 13, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
Tony as much as I like Donnie, and I think hes far and away our most skillful player, I cant see him every being a midfielder at a decent level in the game.
Todays best midfielders are hard tackling and non stop moving up and down the pitch. Thats never going to be Donnies game. Look at the work rate of John O Loughlin and you can see there's a world of difference.
Plus I dont think were that blessed with talent up front we can take him out of there. He can literally make a score from nothing at times.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on March 13, 2018, 03:42:36 PM
It will be very interesting if Antrim can beat Carlow next Sunday. Sets up a big derby game the following week with winner taking all.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 13, 2018, 04:20:14 PM
Tony it dosent take a genius to know Donies best position is full foward and always will be . I can't see him getting to a fitness level required for midfield anyway. He is needed close to goal in the danger area where he can get a score out of nothing plus is a great target man. Also a defensive system needs to be put in place to avoid leaking too many scores against poor teams.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 13, 2018, 04:38:08 PM
Yeah as I said my preferred positions for him are at 11 or 14, but he can do OK at midfield if needs be. The thing with Donie is, he's very creative, very aware and has an excellent football brain and very clinical (something we don't have in spades). He can also take a score from distance better than anyone else on the team. We need him on the ball as much as possible, as our best player. For that reason, I'd love to see him at 11, I think it suits him very well and he can get on plenty of ball and not be waiting for it to land on his lap. We have enough players who can do a good job at 14.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on March 13, 2018, 06:48:11 PM
Big problem with him been at 11 at present is that with the blanket defence nearly every team is employing is that he hasn't the pace to go at them. While he is hard to stop when he gets going  he does suffer from getting stripped and bottled up at times. Paul Kingston has been a mixed bag in the position, at times his passing has been excellent and when he backs himself to go at the centre back he has got a few scores. He doesn't like tight marking and the last two games he had tended to stop and turn back to often. Probably has suffered from the lack of movement ahead of them at times to place a pass. We will need him and I hope the injury isn't to bad.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: CruiseCigar on March 14, 2018, 06:54:26 AM
All

a link to a  set of pictures from the Laoise v Londain game on 11th March 2018. It was a food day out . Two points in end was not a lot and all I would say is a win is a win.

http://gaapictures.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/laoise-v-londain-11th-march-2018.html
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 14, 2018, 07:36:56 AM
I don't think we can make room for all of these forwards who are very similar. All good score takers, but can't tackle and won't track back. It's because of them, and particularly when they're on the pitch at the same time, that our backs become so exposed. We get attacked in waves and outnumbered. It is working against technically poor teams, but even they seem capable of unlocking us. It can't and won't work higher up the ladder.

I have faith in Sugrue, but he hasn't got the personnel. There's no doubt we have good footballers, but we make serious sacrifices positionally to try and get quality players to do a job. Dillon and Attride so far back spring to mind. Old failings still haunt us. Physically we are weak and lack any sort of bite. Our tackling doesn't exist. It's such a big responsibility for Nerney in particular, and the poor lad is being bombarded because it's so easy to get at our full back line. Lads further up the pitch need to stop the flow and work so much harder. It's grand putting up big scores as individuals, but as a team we need to be harder to break down. We have the best man for the job in Sugrue, but we need a defensive plan if we don't have key players for key positions. And in my opinion we don't.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 14, 2018, 10:45:17 PM
Just a quick point high fielder you say we have the best man for the job in John surgu but we need to come up with a defensive plan??.. am I missing something.??is it not his job to come up with it the plan and to put lads in place to carry this out ?or am I totally missing this point because I expect John and his crew to do what you say or else itís no different because at the minute we have played the worst teams in Ireland and have two more to come you can dress it up anyway you like div 4 is terrible woeful in terms of any quality and to date we have beaten absolutely shocking teams
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 15, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
Just a quick point high fielder you say we have the best man for the job in John surgu but we need to come up with a defensive plan??.. am I missing something.??is it not his job to come up with it the plan and to put lads in place to carry this out ?or am I totally missing this point because I expect John and his crew to do what you say or else itís no different because at the minute we have played the worst teams in Ireland and have two more to come you can dress it up anyway you like div 4 is terrible woeful in terms of any quality and to date we have beaten absolutely shocking teams
You talk some shite all the same.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 15, 2018, 07:26:28 PM
Just a quick point high fielder you say we have the best man for the job in John surgu but we need to come up with a defensive plan??.. am I missing something.??is it not his job to come up with it the plan and to put lads in place to carry this out ?or am I totally missing this point because I expect John and his crew to do what you say or else itís no different because at the minute we have played the worst teams in Ireland and have two more to come you can dress it up anyway you like div 4 is terrible woeful in terms of any quality and to date we have beaten absolutely shocking teams
You talk some shite all the same.

He does! Where is he from?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: An Watcher on March 15, 2018, 07:44:58 PM
Big game in Ahoghill this weekend for Antrim.  Need to pull out all the stops against a fancied Carlow side
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on March 15, 2018, 07:52:51 PM
Just a quick point high fielder you say we have the best man for the job in John surgu but we need to come up with a defensive plan??.. am I missing something.??is it not his job to come up with it the plan and to put lads in place to carry this out ?or am I totally missing this point because I expect John and his crew to do what you say or else itís no different because at the minute we have played the worst teams in Ireland and have two more to come you can dress it up anyway you like div 4 is terrible woeful in terms of any quality and to date we have beaten absolutely shocking teams
You talk some shite all the same.

He does! Where is he from?

Did ye not make an agreement last year to ignore this fella
The irony is not lost on me mentioning it
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Catch and Kick on March 15, 2018, 09:15:23 PM
Big game in Ahoghill this weekend for Antrim.  Need to pull out all the stops against a fancied Carlow side

Ahoghill?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: jdyok on March 15, 2018, 09:53:09 PM
Corrigan Park!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 15, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
Just a quick point high fielder you say we have the best man for the job in John surgu but we need to come up with a defensive plan??.. am I missing something.??is it not his job to come up with it the plan and to put lads in place to carry this out ?or am I totally missing this point because I expect John and his crew to do what you say or else itís no different because at the minute we have played the worst teams in Ireland and have two more to come you can dress it up anyway you like div 4 is terrible woeful in terms of any quality and to date we have beaten absolutely shocking teams
You talk some shite all the same.

He does! Where is he from?

Kildare.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Give and Go on March 15, 2018, 11:13:17 PM
Never mind the flour bag!!

Antrim or Carlow? What result suits best?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BrendanAntrim on March 16, 2018, 12:18:37 AM
you'd be wanting Carlow to win and therefore have promotion in the bag before they play you. If we beat them, they will need a win V Laois to have any chance.

Think we will beat them narrowly then our final league game V Laois can be played as the league final.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 18, 2018, 03:00:43 PM
Carlow have just been promoted to Div.3, beating Antrim 1-12 to 0-12. They will be determined to beat us next Sunday to celebrate promotion in front of their supporters who couldn't make it today.
Congratulations to them, their first promotion in 33 years and first time out of Div.4.

That will be a big test for us and will tell us how much we have progressed this year. Win that and we will most likely meet them again in Croke Park in the Div.4 Final
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on March 19, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
If we can't beat Carlow we'll have to forget about playing, there an ordinary well organised team that's about it, there'll be some buzz Sunday afternoon however
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 19, 2018, 07:50:58 PM
Agreed lads itís feking Carlow and they have done the last two days partying,,,again Sunday s not something that I worry about,,there poor out
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 19, 2018, 07:55:55 PM
Lads quit with the shit talk bringing down Carlow. They are every bit as good as ourselves if not better with the spirit and organization they have. We have enough of problems without dragging down Carlow. They have been promoted for the first time in 33 years give them a break. Jesus
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Catch and Kick on March 19, 2018, 08:29:21 PM
That was a turn up for the books; the two relegated Div 3 sides beaten to the first promotion spot by Carlow. Looks like curtains for Antrim now, Carlow will surely put out below strength team with an eye to the League Final. Nice to see them on the up.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: jimbob2 on March 19, 2018, 08:53:16 PM
Without Quigley , Timmons , Booth and Conway we will struggle to compete  with Carlow. We still have not found two wing half forwards good enough to progress as a modern winning team.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 19, 2018, 09:05:54 PM
Agreed lads itís feking Carlow and they have done the last two days partying,,,again Sunday s not something that I worry about,,there poor out

They have beaten the same teams we have and more impressively. They have pace and some fine footballers. I don't know what Laois team you have been watching to believe we can look down on them.

Can't believe I am even responding to you. Swore I would never again read, let alone respond to your childish illegible gibberish.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 19, 2018, 11:24:47 PM
Blueandwhite I agree with you spot on
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 20, 2018, 12:58:46 AM
Well said blueandwhite1, Carlow have put in massive work over the past few years and any true GAA man will acknowledge that and congratulate them. They are now a very decent side and we will have to play better than we have played all year if we are to win this and ensure promotion ourselves.

Lose this and we can still be caught by Antrim if they win their game on Sunday. We haven't qualified yet and there's still a lot of work to be done..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 20, 2018, 01:01:20 AM
The big question is will Carlow be still up for this match the fact they are already promoted and have a league final to look foward too
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 20, 2018, 07:16:42 AM
Those that are overlooking Carlow don't know what they're talking about. They're basing their opinion on Carlow from years past. 2018 Carlow are a useful team, fit and fairly pacey and have good size. They have a very good midfield and and some star performers in Murphy, Broderick and Foley. They're fairly well drilled too and would love a home victory over us, one of their local neighbours. O' Brien is a solid manager and they're definitely a team improving. I'm not saying they're a top tier team yet or anything but to write them off against a transitioning Laois side at home in Dr Cullen Park is ridiculous. If we lose that game, it's a cup final against Antrim for a promotion spot. We're not promoted yet at all.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 20, 2018, 07:35:25 AM
Tony your back at it again, last year you talked up a manager until he was ran out of the place.  Carlow are poor and we have to be beating them all this talk of a renaissance in Carlow football from where ? 30 years in Div 4 football, good for them they are getting promoted but for us to be down there is farcical. The bookmakers have us heavy favs to win the division and while on occasion they are wrong over time this rarely happens.   I am sure certain people on here will try to talk Carlow up but let me question their objectivity some of them have heavy involvement with the management or players.  I will be honest promotion from Div 4 is a minimum, so please don't under talk our prospects that's the sort of crap that has here in the first place.  If someone had of been critical of the way things were going in the first place we may never have ended up here.  So far so good by Sugrue and I have faith he will do the job but it's the sort of job that is must rather than an option.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 20, 2018, 10:11:26 AM
I am not be optimistic about he Carlow match at all. While we struggled to get past London, they beat Antrim on their home patch and gained promotion for themselves. Carlow will be full of confidence, have all the momentum behind them and will be itching to put on a show in front of their supporters. I have seen Laois in a similar positions in the past. However, we have fallen a long way in recent years, and I really think we will have our work cut out for us next Sunday.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 20, 2018, 11:29:02 AM
There is some amount of tripe talk here the last couple of days about Carlow. Just cause u were in division 4 the last 30 years dosent mean you can't improve . People here are overrating ourselves and underrating Carlow. If anyone has been following the results so far they will see they have beaten all the teams we have beaten maybe even more comfortably . Drive and spirit goes a long way which Carlow have in abundance. It's this type of shite talk and taking our eye off the ball that is a recipe for getting caught out by weak teams. We are in division 4 , we have to cop and on realize we have to play our arses off if we want to beat Carlow
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 20, 2018, 11:32:07 AM
Ballyroan, I'm just stating my opinion. Carlow have impressed the most in this division, not us. To play them in Dr Cullen Park as the best and most organised and united Carlow team in years is no easy task. Bear in mind, while we are seeing green shoots, this is not by any means a vintage Laois team. I don't think our back 6 is anywhere near solid enough to guarantee a victory in Carlow.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 20, 2018, 12:40:51 PM
Fair play on the last couple of posts Tony. I totally agree
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on March 20, 2018, 05:24:44 PM
Carlow aren't taking the game Sunday too serious,  they've been on the piss since Sunday, a work colleague of mine is on the panel and they have their eyes set now on Louth in the championship in 8 weeks. They've achieved their goal in getting promoted, a league final is only a novelty
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on March 20, 2018, 05:52:22 PM
Today's only Tuesday, so they had a few beers Sunday and Monday to celebrate and most were either back in work or college today. The Limerick lads probably had a few beers aswell.
Carlow and their manager would love a title whether Div 4 or not so I don't buy this crack about only being worried about Louth. Carlow would love to beat Laois. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 20, 2018, 06:22:33 PM
Exactly. It's rubbish to say they aren't interested in the League title or beating Laois. Carlow would love to get one over on Laois.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 20, 2018, 06:48:11 PM
Paddy Power
Have Carlow 11/4 Laois 1/3 get stuck into Carlow Tony
If you have Ä10 on you will lose Ä10
Absolute joke talking them up

As soon as anyone decent takes him Poacher will be on his bike thatís how much he rates Carlow. Itís great for Carlow but they have 30 years of direness to overcome.  Laois are 1/3 away from home.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 20, 2018, 07:05:33 PM
That's absolute bull talk Ballyroan . As if the bookmakers knew the ins and outs of Laois and Carlow. What has happened in this league so far to suggest we are a better side than Carlow? You seem to really really not have anytime for Carlow footballers. Our glory days of 2003 and Micko are long gone so u may come back down to reality .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 20, 2018, 07:08:44 PM
Even under Micko, we struggled to beat Carlow.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 20, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Newsflash for you Ballyroan - this is a forum to state your opinion about Gaelic Games. That's what i'm doing.

Also, I never said Carlow would win. I'm saying we can't take for granted that we'll beat a good, solid, fit, organised Carlow team. This isn't 15 or 20 years ago, this is today. Didn't you see them in the last year or two? Even the Dublin match? No? They're a useful side with plenty of size and good pace. I wonder which Laois games you watched in the last 5 years to give you such confidence that it's a foregone conclusion. Get a grip mate. We're showing a few positive signs this year but we can't take Carlow or Antrim for granted. Our backline has been exposed multiple times this year to much lesser opposition and we're missing a few of our top performers through injury. It's not a forgone conclusion at all. With your arrogance you'd think we were Kerry or Galway. Carlow have been the most impressive team in division 4 this year without a question. I think we can nick it but I'd be over the moon with a 1 point win.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on March 20, 2018, 08:45:01 PM
Tony your back at it again, last year you talked up a manager until he was ran out of the place.  Carlow are poor and we have to be beating them all this talk of a renaissance in Carlow football from where ? 30 years in Div 4 football, good for them they are getting promoted but for us to be down there is farcical. The bookmakers have us heavy favs to win the division and while on occasion they are wrong over time this rarely happens.   I am sure certain people on here will try to talk Carlow up but let me question their objectivity some of them have heavy involvement with the management or players.  I will be honest promotion from Div 4 is a minimum, so please don't under talk our prospects that's the sort of crap that has here in the first place.  If someone had of been critical of the way things were going in the first place we may never have ended up here.  So far so good by Sugrue and I have faith he will do the job but it's the sort of job that is must rather than an option.

Bullocks notions.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 20, 2018, 09:04:37 PM
Lads, its Carlow.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 20, 2018, 09:50:21 PM
Lads, its Carlow.

If it was Westmeath I might see their point.  Itís Carlow, get real.  Talking them up and then we beat Carlow  and then we go about what a great victory it was would be truly bollocks.  This is what they will do next Monday and Tuesday.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 20, 2018, 10:11:19 PM
Yes, its Carlow, but we are Laois!

FFS, we have not been capable of beating Antrim over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 20, 2018, 10:20:44 PM
We shall see Sunday but we are far better this year than any of the previous 4 years when loads of fellas on here continually talked us up.  Sugrue will get us promoted because unlike some of the previous managers he has some modicum of a clue to what his doing.  He may lack experience and I am sure that will be found out against better teams but Div 4 is not that place.

Stop hedging your bets and get real lads.  Galway & Kerry wonít be playing Carlow in the league, not arrogance being realistic.  Why underplay ourselves itís only another excuse.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 21, 2018, 10:49:18 AM
Yes, its Carlow, but we are Laois!

FFS, we have not been capable of beating Antrim over the last couple of years.
Having been at both those games, we got what we deserved as a result of poor player discipline and poor management. Both are improved immeasurably this year. One senior players behaviour that day against Antrim in Portlaoise was shameful. When we needed a leader, he dug a hole and crawled into it. He's still in there, but I'd be hoping he's only getting one chance now and will be ran if it comes to it.

Anyway, getting back to this weekend, I wont get carried away, but again, its Carlow. The day we fear Carlow, is the day we knife the footballs. Respect, but not fear. They may catch us on occasion (can GAAStats bring up the recent meetings please), but the day we f**king fear them will be a dark day. Put Mark Timmons in the middle of the huddle and let him lay down whats on the line.

And let them off.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 21, 2018, 10:58:59 AM
Wow This board has gone mad in recent days...

The bookies are never too far wrong and although I think it will be a test Sunday I believe we have what it takes to beat Carlow and thus set up the league final between the two.


I hear booth and quigley are close to being fit for selection?

I'd Love to get Timmons back!


I wonder will Lillis and Glynn be considered for a start since they made themselves unavailable to travel to London!


Ps.what a wonder support there was in London and I hope a few more of these people start coming to the home games again..

I seen a few faces I hadn't seen in donkeys years!!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 21, 2018, 05:32:17 PM
OK, Whatever you say guys...we're going to annihilate Carlow.

I suppose I can't doubt ye, we did just beat the Mighty London by 2 points.

In all seriousness, I think it's a tough task at hand. I'm not saying Carlow are the be all and end all but we've got to be realistic about where we are currently. A narrow victory would be great news. This is our level. Top tier of Div 4 / Lower tier of div 3. We need a lot of good new young talent harnessed properly to come along for that to change.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: recyclebin on March 21, 2018, 08:00:22 PM
I don't think Carlow are going to show there full hand on Sunday as they could be playing Laois again in the final a week later. There could be some mind games 8)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 21, 2018, 08:44:12 PM
OK, Whatever you say guys...we're going to annihilate Carlow.

I suppose I can't doubt ye, we did just beat the Mighty London by 2 points.

In all seriousness, I think it's a tough task at hand. I'm not saying Carlow are the be all and end all but we've got to be realistic about where we are currently. A narrow victory would be great news. This is our level. Top tier of Div 4 / Lower tier of div 3. We need a lot of good new young talent harnessed properly to come along for that to change.
Catch a hold of yourself Tony, its crazy talk thinking we'll annihilate Carlow, I'd settle for 8-10 points.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 22, 2018, 12:43:02 AM
They can't wait to get us in there, years of beatings from us hurts them badly and now they have a team that can realistically take us on and beat us.
Anyone thinks they have no interest in this game is an absolute clown .....

 

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 22, 2018, 09:49:11 AM
They can't wait to get us in there, years of beatings from us hurts them badly and now they have a team that can realistically take us on and beat us.
Anyone thinks they have no interest in this game is an absolute clown .....

 

lovely. About time they put it up to us.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 22, 2018, 10:44:32 AM
Should be a good crowd there sunday its a game that all players on both sides will be looking forward to ...

Im going to back Gary Walsh for the first goal !! ;)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 22, 2018, 04:03:13 PM
https://www.facebook.com/ballsdotie/videos/10156429373951042/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 22, 2018, 04:17:52 PM
Is he serious or is it a take the piss interview ?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Catch and Kick on March 22, 2018, 04:23:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/ballsdotie/videos/10156429373951042/
They're certainly enjoying their football!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 22, 2018, 05:10:21 PM
Is he serious or is it a take the piss interview ?

Its a pisstake, and he's pissed. As was most of the bar. Which was most of the Carlow team.

Time to sober them up.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on March 22, 2018, 05:45:03 PM
i would not be in the least surprised limerick beat a deflated antrim on sunday and such a result would automatically guarantee us promotion.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2018, 08:32:46 PM
Why would you even have to ask if that interview was a pisstake or not?!  8)

Also, Limerick are a truly shocking team. I could probably do a job for them on their team, and that's saying something as my best playing days are lonnnng behind me. Antrim will win that match, 110%.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 22, 2018, 09:36:54 PM
I'm hearing Timmons is back. Just in time. Just in f**king time.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on March 22, 2018, 10:39:27 PM
Just seen the team. I was thinking we'd be well able to take care of Carlow but not so sure now. Benny Carroll at 11? Jesus.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 22, 2018, 10:39:43 PM
I like the look of the team for Sunday good bit of pace I probably would have started o Reilly but Benny is good also I see nothing only a laois win here and in the final because I dont rate Carlow or fear them at all,we will be champions of div 4 this year
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Gmac on March 22, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
Donie for 1-7  if heís that close to goal
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 23, 2018, 07:24:40 AM
Just seen the team. I was thinking we'd be well able to take care of Carlow but not so sure now. Benny Carroll at 11? Jesus.
Same Benny Carroll that was possibly the best player of last years club championship in his club position.  The risks we take.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 23, 2018, 08:09:29 AM
I think we will beat them with that team but hopefully the lads won't be like some posters here and think it's a foregone conclusion. Think O'Reillys pace will be needed before the game is over.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on March 23, 2018, 08:30:41 AM
Just seen the team. I was thinking we'd be well able to take care of Carlow but not so sure now. Benny Carroll at 11? Jesus.
Classy PRO, real classy to make little of a player through the anonymity of this forum.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on March 23, 2018, 08:31:33 AM
I think we will beat them with that team but hopefully the lads won't be like some posters here and think it's a foregone conclusion. Think O'Reillys pace will be needed before the game is over.
Totally agree.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 23, 2018, 08:43:07 AM
I think we will beat them with that team but hopefully the lads won't be like some posters here and think it's a foregone conclusion. Think O'Reillys pace will be needed before the game is over.

Or seek excuses like many on here, there is no excuse.  I am sick of a once proud county deluding itself that because of ineptitude that what is must be.  We are not a Division 4 county and if we accept we are thatís where we remain.  No excuses be they preparation or complacency we must beat Carlow twice and that simply is a minimum.  What are we going to do when we really come against it.  I have never be more disappointed to read on here when we played Dublin in Kilkenny how great we were to lose by 8 points I think.  My outstanding memory of that game is the half pace Dublin played at.  If we want to aspire to anything we must have certain standards and f**king hammering Carlow should be a basic.  Convince yourselves that we are second rate and that is what we will accept as fans.  We as proud Laois Supporters deserve better.  I am sure some of you think I am nuts but this county drives me mad with its meek acceptance.  There is something Paudi O Shea Said  about the savagery of Kerry Supporters.  Why are we so accepting ?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on March 23, 2018, 09:04:14 AM
Just seen the team. I was thinking we'd be well able to take care of Carlow but not so sure now. Benny Carroll at 11? Jesus.
Classy PRO, real classy to make little of a player through the anonymity of this forum.
You're right. Hands up. Shouldn't have singled him out. Don't like the look of the team at all. Just not convinced that Carroll, Piggott, Glynn are good enough. Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 23, 2018, 10:26:49 AM
Ballyroan it's not the supporters fault we are in division 4. We are just being realistic . So if Carlow do beat Laois on Sunday what will your excuse be?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 23, 2018, 11:06:08 AM
It is the fans fault and the clubs if you continually accept sub standard, that is what you get.  Everybody mollycoddling everyone else itís a complete joke, Laois did not end up in Div 4 because someone waved a magic wand.  We wonít lose Sunday because finally there is some joined up thinking at helm.  John Sugrue was not my first choice but the further he goes on the more impressive an individual he is.  He is not near the finished article nor are Laois but there is more than enough improvement to warrant confidence against Carlow.  I would not have the same attitude against Kildare. 

There wonít be any excuses against Carlow as they wonít be needed.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 23, 2018, 11:21:54 AM
I like the look of the team I must say....

Graham Brody (Portlaoise); Stephen Attride (Killeshin), Mark Timmons (Graiguecullen), Gareth Dillon (Portlaoise); Trevor Collins (Graiguecullen), Colm Begley (Stradbally), Robbie Piggott (Portarlington); John OíLoughlin (St Brigidís), Kieran Lillis (Portlaoise); Alan Farrell (Ballylinan), Benny Carroll (Portlaoise), Brian Glynn (Portlaoise); Evan OíCarroll (Crettyard), Gary Walsh (Ballylinan), Donie Kingston (Arles-Killeen)


Paul Kingston must be close I don't think he has done much wrong in any of the games.

Not too many real natural forwards in the half forward line but options with Munnelly and Paul Kingstone even donoher and Strong could play there.

 

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 23, 2018, 11:30:52 AM
Ballyroan we are second in division 4 and in the hunt for promotion which is good news. But where is your evidence that there is improvement ? Or that Sugrue has improved it? We have won all our games and that's all u can ask for but we were far from convincing against London and especially Waterford. Is it that 1. We have improved or   2. We are playing shit teams and hence we look a little better with no proper test of our metal yet?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 23, 2018, 11:57:46 AM
Our problem was never in talent or players certaintly not at Div 4 or possibly 3, our issue was mentality and attitude. 

I can't wait for Sunday I would think I am going to get some pasting if we get beaten on here (arrogance will be the word used mostly)

But I won't be crowing when we win as it's only Carlow we are on a journey and Dr Cullen Park is only a sign post.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Nameless on March 23, 2018, 11:59:00 AM
Let's get real here. If we were in division 3 this year and played to the standard we have been up to now, we'd be relegated. That's my opinion, don't know if anyone would agree with that. My only hope is that the squad have been training hard, working on fitness and just taking the games as they come.
If not we're in trouble. We should beat carlow but play as poorly as we have in other matches and we'll lose. Simple as that. We've beaten no one of note in the past few years and have lost to antrim twice. We belong in division 4. I think supporters and players believing we're better than we are is part of the reason we're down here.
I'm hoping Sugrue can change the mindset, we have no given right to beat any team. Train hard, act appropriately off the field, put the work in and we'll make progress.
This has not happened in the past few years and it's why we're in division 4.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laois fan on March 23, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
Just seen the team. I was thinking we'd be well able to take care of Carlow but not so sure now. Benny Carroll at 11? Jesus.
Classy PRO, real classy to make little of a player through the anonymity of this forum.
You're right. Hands up. Shouldn't have singled him out. Don't like the look of the team at all. Just not convinced that Carroll, Piggott, Glynn are good enough. Hope I'm wrong.
so your apology goes from singling out one newcomer to having a go at two others aswell ...classy
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Clubber Lang on March 23, 2018, 01:05:51 PM
Every county in the country prepares to a high level these days. To say we should be beating other counties in division 4 by large margins is unrealistic. Waterford and Limerick consistently acquit themselves well in the Munster championship. Last year both Limerick and Waterford lost by a single point to Clare and Cork respectively. If we beat either a Clare or Cork side in this year's championship everyone will be talking of terrific progress made by the team. The reality is that with teams modernising their training efforts, commitment levels etc. there is in reality not a huge amount between most teams from division 2 to division 4.

It's great to see Sugrue ring the changes again for this important game-he is giving a number of players an opportunity to stake a claim for a starting jersey come championship in what should be a competitive encounter with Carlow.  The message is clear-championship starting places have to be earned. Looking forward to the game at the weekend and seeing how our new look half forward line operate. Hopefully they will each deliver a performance on the day. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 23, 2018, 01:11:56 PM
Good post Nameless. Some people are still living in the glory days of 2003 and think that Carlow should be taken for granted. 2003 is long gone and we have slowly been on the way down since. We have went really poor altogether in the past two or three years which has brought us to this point. The majority of our key players are moving on and the younger lads are simply not good enough. More and more of the older gang are coming back into the team as none of these "new faces" are up to it. In the next two or three years who will replace these old gang like Begley Quigley Conway Johnno Timmons Booth Strong Donoher Munnelly etc. I just don't think this slide is over yet and it's going to be hard to make significant progress with the age profile and the lack of talent coming through.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 23, 2018, 01:15:25 PM
Not sure I'd agree that we belong in Div4, as I said before it was only the width of a post against Offaly that was the difference in us going down or staying in Div3.
Having said that I think it probably was the best thing that could have happened to us at the time. We were becoming very comfortable playing at a level to keep us in Div3 and that wasn't a good thing.

We now have what seems to be a better management team with a plan and realistic expectations of where we should be in the next few years.
We have now got used to winning and that can become a habit, so much so that we can become hard to beat. We haven't really been tested in this division yet but Carlow should provide a much stiffer test than we have had so far and it will be interesting to see how we cope with that. There is also a prize of promotion and a trip to Croke Park in this game so its all to play for.
 
I do believe we are good enough to win this one and set up a tasty final next week but if we don't a few questions will be asked and answers will have to be given. It would be great for our confidence if we can go through the league unbeaten and win the final, that to me would have to be seen as a successful first term for this management team and give us some hope going into the championship.



Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 23, 2018, 01:54:55 PM
More and more of the older gang are coming back into the team as none of these "new faces" are up to it. In the next two or three years who will replace these old gang like Begley Quigley Conway Johnno Timmons Booth Strong Donoher Munnelly etc. I just don't think this slide is over yet and it's going to be hard to make significant progress with the age profile and the lack of talent coming through.
Yet. None of the new faces are up to it, YET. You think.

Give them a f**king chance will you. f**k sake. What are we f**king like in this county. Oh yea, f**k them out, make way for the next lot. Jesus its enough to give someone piles listening to some of this shit. God help the lads reading it. Stick at it boys, prove all the f**kers wrong.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 23, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
More and more of the older gang are coming back into the team as none of these "new faces" are up to it. In the next two or three years who will replace these old gang like Begley Quigley Conway Johnno Timmons Booth Strong Donoher Munnelly etc. I just don't think this slide is over yet and it's going to be hard to make significant progress with the age profile and the lack of talent coming through.
Yet. None of the new faces are up to it, YET. You think.

Give them a f**king chance will you. f**k sake. What are we f**king like in this county. Oh yea, f**k them out, make way for the next lot. Jesus its enough to give someone piles listening to some of this shit. God help the lads reading it. Stick at it boys, prove all the f**kers wrong.

This ....

I can't wait for sunday I'm going to Laois games for 30 years or more ...I've seen good times and bad.

I remember the Leinster final of 1985 and how big a think it was for the Laois team with the hurlers also going well at the time .

Then there was 1986 I was on the field that day as a nipper


I remember beating Louth in the reply in 1991 and another Leinster final

Then the barren years before the minors came along and brought a great boost to the county starting with the unlucky 1995 team and so on and so on...

We got a great group of players from the national schools set up and the Cumann na mBunscol at the time which was so well ran and ahead of most counties at the time a lot of great people from the big national schools right down to the two teacher schools must take credit for that I remember The Rock,Derrylamogue,The Swan,Barrowhouse, Clonaghadoo ,Barnashrone and even Castlecuff had fine players at the time and I used watch the other finals with interest after ours and the quality from the top rank right down to the two teacher schools was incredible at the time.

With that came a crop of players with unreal talent I remember going for trials for Laois teams back then and the quality that was on show and being left out was unreal.There was a freak crop of players from all clubs even a few hurling clubs had great great footballers at the time who were unfortunate not to make panels.


We didn't make the most of what we had but it did breed a new generation of players like JOL etc who were inspired by the team of 2003 etc.

We are where we are for a reason the league tables don't lie.


I think however progress is slowly being made I know we certainly wasted a few years talent wise for whatever reasons its easy blame each manager or players commitment etc etc...No point in going over it now.

Its time to knuckle down and get the job done this sunday.I for one am looking forward to it should be a cracking atmosphere down their with our neighbours on a high.Beating us would cap it off for them but I believe we will do enough to get another craic at them in croker which would be great experience for some of these players!!

The current crop deserve all our support and while we pay money and have the right to be critical what is the point ...yes we can say a lod played poorly or it wasn't his day or maybe he isn't up to it but writing off lads before the game is just too easy on a forum like this.


Roll on sunday I hope Mark Timmons leads by example as he usually does and we get a win to get us back to division 3 and the bonus of a little trip to croker!!!!


LAOIS LAOIS LAOIS
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 23, 2018, 05:29:59 PM
5 Portlaoise lads starting is a big turnaround from a couple of years back. No matter what club you're with, we all know having a good chunk of the Portlaoise panel was needed to enhance the laois squad going forward.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 23, 2018, 08:27:16 PM
Ive asked this question about 5 times here and I no-one seems to know the answer but Ill ask it one more time seeing we are talking about the Portlaoise lads on the panel.
Is Paul Cahillane involved this year, I know he was there at the start but haven't seen him play yet???
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on March 23, 2018, 08:51:35 PM
Ive asked this question about 5 times here and I no-one seems to know the answer but Ill ask it one more time seeing we are talking about the Portlaoise lads on the panel.
Is Paul Cahillane involved this year, I know he was there at the start but haven't seen him play yet???
Yes but has had  a woeful run of injuries to date
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Boy Wonder on March 23, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
It's a pity to read coarse language on a Laois GAA Forum or indeed any GAA Forum - surely any literate person can make their point without resorting to profanities. People that might normally be inclined to contribute to this forum would be put off by this juvenile behaviour.

I remember Huey from the Laoistalk forum a number of years ago predicting Laois's decline - I had hoped he was wrong but he was proved right unfortunately.

We are in a transition at the moment - the experienced members of the panel are ageing whilst the younger element are being introduced in the modest level of Div 4.

Re. Carlow - they have upped their game and are no pushover these days - Dublin and Monaghan can attest to that.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 23, 2018, 11:22:11 PM
It's a pity to read coarse language on a Laois GAA Forum or indeed any GAA Forum - surely any literate person can make their point without resorting to profanities. People that might normally be inclined to contribute to this forum would be put off by this juvenile behaviour.

I remember Huey from the Laoistalk forum a number of years ago predicting Laois's decline - I had hoped he was wrong but he was proved right unfortunately.

We are in a transition at the moment - the experienced members of the panel are ageing whilst the younger element are being introduced in the modest level of Div 4.

Re. Carlow - they have upped their game and are no pushover these days - Dublin and Monaghan can attest to that.
Yerraya f**k it be grand
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 24, 2018, 09:04:30 AM
The boy wonder - I agree about the profanities and people (some young, some old) being put off by that, but don is a big man and big men need to swear from the comfort of behind their keyboard to feel like big men. He's some hard man, he is. No regard for other users - seems to have very low emotional IQ. So let them at it.

But regarding Huey predicting the decline of Laois GAA - in fairness any man with one eye could see that happening from about 2008 onwards.

Anyway, that's all the past. 2018 is positive so far, albeit in div 4. My thought always was: no matter what the quality of the panel, I'll be content once I see a Laois team give their all for the cause. We don't have a vintage Laois team currently in terms of raw talent, but we're giving it all we can, and I can't ask for more as a supporter. Fair play to Sugrue for the job he's doing and the culture he's implementing within the squad. There's definitely more of a "feel good factor" surrounding the squad and supporters this year. Let's hope we can finish it off and keep our foot on the pedal. Looking forward to seeing how lads like Carroll and Piggott do this weekend. Glynn too, he was rusty at start of League but he'll be hoping for a big match tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 24, 2018, 09:22:24 AM
It's a pity to read coarse language on a Laois GAA Forum or indeed any GAA Forum - surely any literate person can make their point without resorting to profanities. People that might normally be inclined to contribute to this forum would be put off by this juvenile behaviour.

I remember Huey from the Laoistalk forum a number of years ago predicting Laois's decline - I had hoped he was wrong but he was proved right unfortunately.

We are in a transition at the moment - the experienced members of the panel are ageing whilst the younger element are being introduced in the modest level of Div 4.

Re. Carlow - they have upped their game and are no pushover these days - Dublin and Monaghan can attest to that.

I agree with regard to the profanities, although I have not been entirely blameless myself.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on March 24, 2018, 09:55:50 AM
Just seen the team. I was thinking we'd be well able to take care of Carlow but not so sure now. Benny Carroll at 11? Jesus.
Classy PRO, real classy to make little of a player through the anonymity of this forum.
You're right. Hands up. Shouldn't have singled him out. Don't like the look of the team at all. Just not convinced that Carroll, Piggott, Glynn are good enough. Hope I'm wrong.
so your apology goes from singling out one newcomer to having a go at two others aswell ...classy
It's called a discussion board. To discuss GAA and on this sub board, Laois GAA.
I didn't as you put it have a go at the three chaps in question. All I did was express my doubt as to whether they are good enough for the Laois senior football team tomorrow.
I hardly cast aspersions on the chaps themselves. It's actually great to see lads from Portarlington and Portlaoise on the team by the way. For too long they haven't been contributing as many lads as they should.
Good luck to all the Laois team tomorrow. I really hope we win. The thoughts of another year of Division 4 football are dreadful.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on March 24, 2018, 10:41:24 AM
We are capable of putting up a big score with that inside forward line as the half forwards and midfield are decent. However as Sugrue continues to look at defenders and the absence of a defensive plan as YET I think Carlow with a home game and the pressure off can score at least 3 goals against that defense.

I predict a narrow Carlow win.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on March 24, 2018, 11:14:55 AM
The table doesnt lie. We are where we deserve to be. Division 4 is our lot.
We have been average playing the 5 worst teams in the country.
Carlow are a bit of a step up. I think it will be close. Dismissing Carlow would be foolish. Their curve is upward,  ours
Has been downwards for a long time.
Its impossible really to know where we are at. Sunday will tell us more.

Best of luck to the lads.

Im not adverse to the odd rant but I agree that some of the pointless swearing takes away from the forum.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 24, 2018, 12:07:37 PM
My gra, on this.  Yes you can use profanities on the discussion forum, the overuse of such language probably makes you less likely to be listened to.   As for criticism of players or management, what's the point of discussing anything if there is no criticism.  PRO has held his hands up, for what not rating a player?  It's not really a sin on the scale of things, personally I like the player as many others do.  But if we don't have debate this forum has no use.  It's up to the moderators and our own moral code to keep things at a reasonable level.

PRO did nothing wrong even though I don't agree with his call.

In all reality this forum is quite reasoned even though we don't agree with each other.  This is an opportunity for different views to have their say some may do it more eloquently than others.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 24, 2018, 12:19:59 PM
I'm just trying to enjoy winning a few games and being competitive. We're in transition and there's a lot to be done in all grades of Laois GAA. It's obvious enough that Division 4 is not a place to take yourself too seriously, but it's where we are and out of it we have to try and get. A lot of these players have been badly burned in recent times and deserve the luxury of enjoying what they're achieving at the minute. Beyond that, I'm allowing Sugrue the time and space to see what he can do. It won't happen overnight, and proclaiming us as some sort of superpower is unhelpful and quite frankly ridiculous. Carlow deserve respect for what they have achieved, and I'm delighted for them
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 25, 2018, 02:32:07 PM
Great crowd here today but good lord one point in the second half and two so far to Carlow dire stuff
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 25, 2018, 03:34:01 PM
As I predicted, Carlow are a well drilled and organised outfit. We got out of there with a 1 point win and could have easily lost. Not sure why people were so confident of an easy win. Anyway, job done, promotion achieved. Roll on next week for a day out in Croker. Enjoy d pints
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 25, 2018, 04:10:28 PM
Shocking shite. Nothing to fear from those puke football f**kers. Theyíll be hard bet, but I said f**k it if we should fear Carlow. And I was right. Being right on the Internet is one of the greatest satisfactions in life. Iíd love to bate the bollocks off them next weekend but today was job done. Promotion secured with a game to spare. Thanks John and the boys. Hold the powder til next Saturday night now and weíll all drink the shite out of it then and kick the f**k out of the cup outside of Pedigree and all the way up to Graigue.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on March 25, 2018, 04:37:25 PM
Listened to it from abroad.. I won't say anything bar well done to all concerned. But!. What time is Saturdays match at. Flights need organising and a trip to The town hall and Trudge for the homecoming. ..quick reply needed.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on March 25, 2018, 04:38:55 PM
MEANT TRUDIE
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helix on March 25, 2018, 04:50:51 PM
Listened to it from abroad.. I won't say anything bar well done to all concerned. But!. What time is Saturdays match at. Flights need organising and a trip to The town hall and Trudge for the homecoming. ..quick reply needed.

Probably be around 5pm and division 3 at 7pm. Is that usually the case?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 25, 2018, 05:04:30 PM
Would you really want to sit through that again?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 25, 2018, 05:06:21 PM
MEANT TRUDIE
You ruined it
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 25, 2018, 05:07:13 PM
Would you really want to sit through that again?
To taste the Carlow tears?

Oh god yea
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on March 25, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
Carlow have never beaten us in a league game.
Next Saturday would be a bad time to lose that record.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 25, 2018, 06:03:26 PM
Most important thing is we're promoted. The match will be a lot more open in croker, in my opinion. Dr Cullen a much tighter pitch. Bit of silverware would be very welcome regardless of the division. Great to see timmons play so well after injury. Hard fought win against a style like that. Took strenght and experience to hang on at the end when down to 14.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 25, 2018, 06:13:52 PM
Carlow have never beaten us in a league game.
Next Saturday would be a bad time to lose that record.
You reckon?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Gmac on March 25, 2018, 06:32:47 PM
Most important thing is we're promoted. The match will be a lot more open in croker, in my opinion. Dr Cullen a much tighter pitch. Bit of silverware would be very welcome regardless of the division. Great to see timmons play so well after injury. Hard fought win against a style like that. Took strenght and experience to hang on at the end when down to 14.
said it here a few times but the league is where itís at for Laois for the foreseeable future , try to make their way back up the league divisions  get playing better opponents and if u can raise the standard then make some noise in the championship in a few years
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on March 25, 2018, 06:38:36 PM
Well done to team and management for getting promotion. We've had little to shout for over last few years so it's important to acknowledge the achievement and enjoy it. Winning in Croke Park next week will top off a good league campaign. We need to develop a winning culture and good mentality and that's what John and the team are working on while developing a panel.

The match today was frustrating. Carlow play to their strengths but are very frustrating and resulted in a dour game. Open spaces of Croke Park will help but is important that Laois use the wide spaces and have men coming through the middle at pace.

Hope Laois kick on next weekend and finish the campaign in style and go into the championship in good spirits.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on March 25, 2018, 06:43:42 PM
Carlow have never beaten us in a league game.
Next Saturday would be a bad time to lose that record.
You reckon?
Yes. Pretty sure.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 25, 2018, 08:21:19 PM
Does anyone have the result of the under 15 match played before the senior match?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on March 25, 2018, 09:04:11 PM
Does anyone have the result of the under 15 match played before the senior match?
They won not sure but a nice few points to spare
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 25, 2018, 09:13:19 PM
Does anyone have the result of the under 15 match played before the senior match?

Laois won it was 3-10 0-3 at half time. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 25, 2018, 10:43:39 PM
Cahillane was with the panel today for those asking.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Jellyfish on March 26, 2018, 12:33:12 AM
Great win today for everybody. Players, management and us supporters alike. In the end we were probably lucky to get over the line with a victory but I knew before hand any victory in Carlow would be hard earned, and hard earned it certainly was. I have included my own player ratings from the game they are opinion based, and I dont mean to offend any player with a rating, I love Laois and have nothing but praise for these guys. If anybody thinks any differently with any rating feel free to comment.

Brody- 7.5.  Thought Brody done well today. Made 1 or 2 very crucial saves, however some of his kick-outs were poor at times I felt.

Attride- 8. Had a brilliant game today. Really stood up I felt when the game was in the melting pot.

Timmons- 7.5. Very solid today. Dealt with everything that came his way comfortably.  Great to have him fit again.

Dillion- 6.5. Didnít have the greatest of game I felt today. Over carried the ball at times which at times was unnecessary I felt. However, he proved a use-full option at half back when trying to break down their blanket defence.

Collins- 7. I felt Collins was pretty anonymous today, however he was pretty comfortable with ball in hand all day. Drove forward for us in the second half.

Begley- 8.5. Personally I felt Begley was our best player today. An excellent leader for this group and worked tirelessly hard throughout. Really drove out of defence with the ball in the second half when the backs were to the walls.

Pigott- 7. This rating my divide opinion but personally I think Pigott was having a decent game. Was given the task of marking Murphy early on. Maybe the yellow card was a factor in the early substitution.

J.OíL- 8. Thought John was very impressive today, himself and Lillis really dominated midfield in the early stages today. Brilliant leader to have in the team.

Lillis- 7.5. I thought Lillis in the first half was pretty good. Very good at competing in the air, however, kicked away some sloppy ball at times and his day ended prematurely after being sent-off.

Farrell- 7. Probably wasnít his best game today. However, he made good runs right through the body of their defence and was rewarded with a score.

Benny Carroll- 6.5. Carroll again, not one of our best players today. Made some good runs at times. Unlucky to be taken off after the sending off, thought he starting getting into the game.

Glynn- 6.5. Glynn, I felt started the game well. Was a option at the kick-outs with his height. However, seem to fade a bit in the second half and subsequently was taken off.

OíCarroll- 7. Quiet enough first half for OíCarroll but grew into the game in the second half. Caught a kick-out from Brody brilliantly when we needed to relieve some pressure on our goal.

Walsh- 7.5. Started very well, hitting 1-3 in the first 15-20. Goal was taken very very well. However, felt he was anonymous in the second half.

Donie Kingston- 7. Didnít get on much ball today in scoring zones. Seemed to be double marked at times. Nearly scored an outrageous point in the second half.

Subs.
Strong- 7.5. Played well when he came on, had lots of composure on the ball which is necessary.

Lowry-6.5. Didnít really get much of a chance to impress today. Spend a lot of his game around the middle of the field.

OíReilly- 7. Made of good runs but lost the ball aswell as result of running into contact with the ball

Ross- 6.5. Didnít really get on much ball, however kicked a wide in injury that you would put your house on ross to put over.

Roll on Croker next weekend, Laois abu.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on March 26, 2018, 12:39:25 AM
Job done, promotion achieved but we literally fell over the line. Real
Shocking stuff from both teams not helped by Carlow's system. Considering that they employ this system the whole time you would have to wonder had the management any sort of tactic to counter it because it didn't look like it today we played into their hands with our lack of movement and endless lateral passing. There seemed to space at times up the sides but for whatever reason we never seemed confident enough to run at them to at least draw frees or simply stretch them.  Considering the physical size of the three in the full forward line you would think that we would have at least put in one high ball to mix it up.

The point from the free at the end was the first score in 32 minutes and we were surviving  by the skin of our teeth at that stage. Carlow had two great goal chances, both down the right side, with a great save from brody and then a terrible pass across the square luckily for us. If either of them had gone in, we were in serious bother.

I hope next week in Croker that the faster surface and wider spaces will improve us. Certainly we need more zip in the forwards or some sort of movement. We will need Paul Kingston back certainly as it looks like Evan is gone. I would also hope that the management fix the kick outs. Their high press forced us to kick it long which suited them. Hopefully they will work on something that can be too over advantage.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 26, 2018, 12:42:33 AM
Cahillane was with the panel today for those asking.
Thanks Don, that was me asking..  I was talking to someone very close to him today at the match and he said it will probably be about 3 weeks before Paul will be ok to play.
It was a very poor game today, caused mostly by Carlow's negative tactics. We grew more frustrated as the game went on and what disappointed me was the reaction of some of our lads, pulling and dragging lads and in one case kneeing a guy into the thigh which we were lucky to get away with.
 
We had one dismissal but could have had 3 or 4 if the ref (from Offaly) had been stricter. I don't want to see us finishing games with 14 men like last year, I had hoped we had stepped up our discipline but this was the first time we were targeted by negative play and we cracked a bit...

We had arguably the strongest ball winning full forward line we have had in a while but we never tested the Carlow full backs to and great extent. A few high balls in could have unsteadied them and made the game easier for us as this thing of playing the ball across the field and backwards all the time must be very soul destroying for anyone calling themselves footballers. We need to run at them next week, take them on and draw fouls and pick up a few points that way. I really believe we are better than we looked today and surely better than a one point victory.

Having said that well done to players and management on an unbeaten run through Div4 and gaining promotion at the first attempt. We now need to win the final to boost confidence before the championship and try to step it up for Div3 or we could find ourselves back down again pretty soon if we don't.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 26, 2018, 10:10:13 AM
Delighted to get over the line in what was a hard watch mainly due to Carlow's style of play.It might be different in croker tho.

Here's my ratings of the players it's only an opinion and I value every man that gives the commitment to this county and has got us back to division 3


Brody- 8  Was excellent one superb save with his left hand in the second half.Kick outs were good I thought especially in first half.

Attride- 8. Was great today cool on the ball and made two cracking hit's both times turning over the ball for Laois

Timmons- 9 Man of the match in my opinion handled everything with ease and looked like he was never away.Superb brain and a great footballer

Dillion- 7 In and out of the game fouled a few times which allowed Carlow to score but showed good support play going forward needs to back himself for  the odd shot

Collins- 6 Don't remember him doing too much he did make a good interception in the first half .Needs to look up on the ball quicker.

Begley- 8 Was very good played the position well and used his knowledge to great effect ,can't understand why he wasn't moulded into this position 6 years ago.

Pigott- 7 Thought he was okay looked rusty in the tackle but did well on Sean Murphy early doors his tackling skills need to improve big time at this level.

J.OíL- 7 Maybe deserves more but he coughed up three vital balls in the second half from running down blind alleys.Did show very well for kick outs

Lillis- 7 Decent in the first half catching a few nice kickbouts from Brody. Certainly holding his own in midfield but does lack pace to get to a pitch of a tackle.

Farrell- 7 I thought he did well kicking a great point winning a lot of breaking ball around the middle certainly deserves a place on the team not sure where yet!

Benny Carroll -6 Two clever passes early doors one for the goal another nearly created a 2nd but he was loose in possession loosing it countless times in the tackle.

Glynn- 7 Best game so far for me.Strong presence helping the midfield tackling well and hitting hard.Deserves another go on this showing.

OíCarroll- 6 Not his best game but not for the lack of effort got a lot of special treatment and reacted lucky not to see the line.Caught one majestic ball.

Walsh-7 Was unplayable early doors taking a great goal but drifted out the field and out of the game after that two very bad hand passes in the second half which he won't be pleased with.Great threat in front of goals however!

Donie Kingston- 7. Didnít get on much ball today inside but did try his best.Was shackled well by two carlow scored on great point from play and caught the vital throw in at the end.He looks to really his appetite back and look forward to seeing him in croker!

Subs.
Strong- 7 solid looked fitter than recent games and showed a real calmness on the ball i don't remember him loosing possession once.Must be close to a start.Maybe as a half forward??

Lowry-6 Was too far out from goals and was muscled off the ball a few times.Showed great hunger to get back and win a vital sideline ball for Laois late on!

OíReilly- 6 Ran well off the ball but found it hard to get in to the game which was understandable the way it panned out.

Ross- 6 expected him to pop that late one over but did play one lovely ball and won two vital frees.

While it was a poor standard in the main Carlow do that to teams and are well drilled on this system which better teams than Laois have struggled against.

We need to work and a few things ...Our passing with the foot and the hand needs to be more accurate its small margins but a good pass can beat a player or maybe two of played in front of the player and to his chest.

Our tackling has certainly got better but that wouldn't be hard it still needs more work.

Speed we need players who will counter at pace or at least go at pace not coming back five yards to receive a ball going up the wing from the person on the ball.(move forward away from him and stretch the play)

We did show great patience yesterday on the ball and this will be rewarded in Croke Park if Carlow play the same way!



Looking forward to next weekend now seems an age since we got to Croker and a bit of silverware no matter what level is always nice and will give the players a boost going forward.

Well done to all connected with the team on promotion winning becomes a habit and it certainly is nice coming out of games with a smile no matter the opposition.


LAOIS LAOIS LAOIS
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 26, 2018, 10:51:49 AM
The game became farcical when the Ref failed to send off their man. They chanced their arm after that and could have been pulled on scores of occasions for their off the ball pulling and dragging. Amazing that all officials couldn't see this. The whole incident involving Walsh and/or O'Carroll was avoidable if they had been penalised properly for their pulling. 

Not that we were completely blameless either. Our inability to tackle is a real problem and you are guaranteed frees and cards if you run at us. We got away with it again against a limited team but it won't last. Towards the end it got better, a lot better in fact, and Attriide in particular is our best exponent. The ability to create turnovers and tackle properly is too important in modern football to be ignored. It starts in the full forward line and the three boys that were there yesterday have to understand that they have to do more than kick frees and soft points. I went home and watched Paddy McBrearty hassling lads and putting in tackles against Mayo and I'm not seeing that with our forwards. It's a free pass to the half way line, so why Carlow played so defensively is a mystery.

The positives are plentiful. We are improving. You can see that. Our possession of the ball doesn't look so hurried. We were patient at times and I was delighted with it. The tackling under real pressure at the end was excellent and we hunted in packs well; which you have to do. I think we grew as the game wore on yesterday and we learnt more in the second half than we did all year. You learn nothing kicking the crap out of poor teams so Division 3 will be a boost too. Our forward unit need to work so much harder though.

 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 26, 2018, 03:30:43 PM
Time for Laois footballers trip to Croke Park confirmed


Division Four Final between Laois and Carlow confirmed for 3pm at Croke Park on Saturday
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/03/26/laois-footballers-trip-to-croke-park-confirmed/

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 26, 2018, 03:44:14 PM
Strange time but I think they are always on at those times ....


Not sure be many staying for the second game as both teams play like Carlow! :-\
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 26, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
Great post High Fielder.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 26, 2018, 04:06:09 PM
Strange time but I think they are always on at those times ....


Not sure be many staying for the second game as both teams play like Carlow! :-\

Is it even worth going to at all, don't think I could stick another 70 mins of what I witnessed last Sunday.
Parking in Dublin at that time on a Saturday will be crazy...
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on March 26, 2018, 04:12:45 PM
Junior, parking around Croke PArk won't be much different to what it would be on a Sunday around there. Traffic would be a worse problem. They're obviously not expecting a big crowd as tickets available are for the Hogan stand and it's unreserved seating. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 26, 2018, 08:07:09 PM
I'm surprised at your comment junior. Of course it's worth going to. First chance of silverware in years and good outing to celebrate promotion. I also highly doubt it'll be as low scoring. I think we'll open them up a bit more (and maybe then to us also) in croke park. It won't be tense either, we've both got promotion in the bag so it should be a looser game. Arriving to Dublin around 1.30 will be fine. Traffic is grand. The lads will definitely appreciate the support and i think it's a good time for us to celebrate promotion, relative positivity around Laois football, a chance to beat our local neighbours again, first time in croke park for Laois in years and a league title on the line!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 26, 2018, 11:11:27 PM
Well after looking at that last Sunday, I certainly won't be going (and I've literally flown thousands of miles to support Laois in the past). I think your optimistic approach is really admirable but honestly I can't find any reason to celebrate promotion from this Division or, indeed, to celebrate Division 4 silverware if we win it. I'm not particularly interested in going to an empty Croke Park either. I would be surprised if the players will be getting too excited by it either.

Apart from a marginal improvement in the quality of the tackling, I could see pretty much nothing in our display on Saturday that was an improvement on last year. A lot of it looked Division 4 stuff to me.

We are a small county whose potential is limited by its small size and therefore we have to be realistic in our ambition. Still,  I'm just not able to get excited by a one point win over Carlow in a totally unimaginative, low-speed performance. I'd agree with High Fielder about the workrate of some, especially in the forwards. Just not good enough I'm afraid. 

I admire those supporters like Tony that are keeping the flag flying but let's not pretend that we have achieved anything of note. We really haven't.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on March 27, 2018, 08:37:19 AM
https://t.co/VKya8WibL9

Carlow bullish
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 27, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
https://t.co/VKya8WibL9

Carlow bullish

Link not work for me can you copy and paste?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 27, 2018, 09:20:19 AM
Well after looking at that last Sunday, I certainly won't be going (and I've literally flown thousands of miles to support Laois in the past). I think your optimistic approach is really admirable but honestly I can't find any reason to celebrate promotion from this Division or, indeed, to celebrate Division 4 silverware if we win it. I'm not particularly interested in going to an empty Croke Park either. I would be surprised if the players will be getting too excited by it either.

Apart from a marginal improvement in the quality of the tackling, I could see pretty much nothing in our display on Saturday that was an improvement on last year. A lot of it looked Division 4 stuff to me.

We are a small county whose potential is limited by its small size and therefore we have to be realistic in our ambition. Still,  I'm just not able to get excited by a one point win over Carlow in a totally unimaginative, low-speed performance. I'd agree with High Fielder about the workrate of some, especially in the forwards. Just not good enough I'm afraid. 

I admire those supporters like Tony that are keeping the flag flying but let's not pretend that we have achieved anything of note. We really haven't.

Whilst I see you point if you go back before the Golden Era we would have been glad of trips to croker .Yes its division four but its where we are at and it would be nice to win it.

No pressure game in croker with a chance to win silverware I think the players will be looking forward to it.Its a great match for John as well to prepare for Wexford  as it will tell him a few more things about his newer players in what will be a big occasion for some.

I'm looking forward to it and a few pints around Croker before and afterwards....hope to be up there for 12 get the all day breakfast in and get a couple of pints before it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 27, 2018, 09:31:23 AM
I don't think there's any great mystery with Carlow. They look for Murphy to gain possession and the bearded lad to put them on the front foot. Stop both of them at source (easier said than done) and you'll have done a lot of work. Our build up was slow because they had 14 men behind the ball. They know the minute they open up and lose the ball could be disastrous for them. Even with the 14 men behind the ball, you could see that their backs were loose and panicky. Hence all the holding. I'm sure they saw plenty in us to expose too, because let's face it, we have a lot of frailties. I hope as many of us as possible make the journey. We got what we wanted from Sugrue and the team (promotion) so they deserve our support and thanks for that. We're a great county for thinking we're better than we are and thumbing our noses at the occasion.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on March 27, 2018, 09:51:40 AM
I don't think there's any great mystery with Carlow. They look for Murphy to gain possession and the bearded lad to put them on the front foot. Stop both of them at source (easier said than done) and you'll have done a lot of work. Our build up was slow because they had 14 men behind the ball. They know the minute they open up and lose the ball could be disastrous for them. Even with the 14 men behind the ball, you could see that their backs were loose and panicky. Hence all the holding. I'm sure they saw plenty in us to expose too, because let's face it, we have a lot of frailties. I hope as many of us as possible make the journey. We got what we wanted from Sugrue and the team (promotion) so they deserve our support and thanks for that. We're a great county for thinking we're better than we are and thumbing our noses at the occasion.

Good post as usual High Fielder,8 and 9 are the threats ridiculous pace actually ....curb their enthusiasm and watch the fouls Carlow can be taken

I was impressed by defence in particular Attride Timmons Begley and Collins

We were slightly unfortunate with Ross slipping and a pass or two that didn't stick in my opinion

On another issue that Stephen Poacher seems a right .....x

Laois Abu
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 27, 2018, 10:02:15 AM
I don't think there's any great mystery with Carlow. They look for Murphy to gain possession and the bearded lad to put them on the front foot. Stop both of them at source (easier said than done) and you'll have done a lot of work. Our build up was slow because they had 14 men behind the ball. They know the minute they open up and lose the ball could be disastrous for them. Even with the 14 men behind the ball, you could see that their backs were loose and panicky. Hence all the holding. I'm sure they saw plenty in us to expose too, because let's face it, we have a lot of frailties. I hope as many of us as possible make the journey. We got what we wanted from Sugrue and the team (promotion) so they deserve our support and thanks for that. We're a great county for thinking we're better than we are and thumbing our noses at the occasion.

Not sure whether you're referring to my post here but my point was that noone should think that this is an achievement. Noone should think we're "better than we are" because we are clearly very poor indeed. Fair play if lads want to go on a bender after beating Waterford, Limerick and London but  it's not for me.

According to the Carlow player interviewed in On the Hop's post, they found it easy to funnel players back because our attack was so slow. I think that's closer to the truth. They had more scores on the board than us and on another day could have added two goals. And Carlow were on the beer for half the week...... Certainly, I'm not thinking we're better than we are.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 27, 2018, 10:21:51 AM
I don't think there's any great mystery with Carlow. They look for Murphy to gain possession and the bearded lad to put them on the front foot. Stop both of them at source (easier said than done) and you'll have done a lot of work. Our build up was slow because they had 14 men behind the ball. They know the minute they open up and lose the ball could be disastrous for them. Even with the 14 men behind the ball, you could see that their backs were loose and panicky. Hence all the holding. I'm sure they saw plenty in us to expose too, because let's face it, we have a lot of frailties. I hope as many of us as possible make the journey. We got what we wanted from Sugrue and the team (promotion) so they deserve our support and thanks for that. We're a great county for thinking we're better than we are and thumbing our noses at the occasion.

Good post as usual High Fielder,8 and 9 are the threats ridiculous pace actually ....curb their enthusiasm and watch the fouls Carlow can be taken

I was impressed by defence in particular Attride Timmons Begley and Collins

We were slightly unfortunate with Ross slipping and a pass or two that didn't stick in my opinion

On another issue that Stephen Poacher seems a right .....x

Laois Abu

I'd say Sean murphy is a threat but Brendan is as slow as a week in jail he is strong but slow and he took on mental shots on Sunday as did their full forward Foley which cost them.

Sean Murphy is a freak the speed he can pick up and even left Dillion and Collins for dead at one stage and they ain't slow!Did he not get man of the match last year against Dublin!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on March 27, 2018, 10:29:29 AM
I would be of the same opinion. We really struggled to deal with their system, the lack of movement in the forwards killed us, and it's not going to change with Evan looking like he is injured, so we may play to our strengths like isolating Donie and Gary. We were most dangerous on turn overs when they committed numbers forward but for some reason we went to a point, stopped and allowed them to get numbers. I would hope that both wing backs trust their pace and drive at them. A big fear would be the pace of the two midfielders and the wing back Morrissey who caused us problems. Who marks them will be a big issue.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 27, 2018, 11:23:05 AM
I would be of the same opinion. We really struggled to deal with their system, the lack of movement in the forwards killed us, and it's not going to change with Evan looking like he is injured, so we may play to our strengths like isolating Donie and Gary. We were most dangerous on turn overs when they committed numbers forward but for some reason we went to a point, stopped and allowed them to get numbers. I would hope that both wing backs trust their pace and drive at them. A big fear would be the pace of the two midfielders and the wing back Morrissey who caused us problems. Who marks them will be a big issue.

Where is this pace for there second midfielder coming from brendan Murphy is far from fast he is powerful a good footballers and a giant of a man but fast??

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 27, 2018, 11:31:38 AM
https://t.co/VKya8WibL9

Carlow bullish
Fake news
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on March 27, 2018, 11:40:33 AM
9 with the ridiculous pace but Brendan no slouch either

Actually Robbie and lillis got through to him and blew himself out by the end of it
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 27, 2018, 12:15:17 PM
I remember Carlow came giving it big licks back in 07 in the Leinster minor final. Pity we don't have Conor there this time, but we'll have enough, I believe in this management team and these players. Get to Croker ye shower of f**kers, its a national final, and your county need you.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: GAA-SMART on March 27, 2018, 12:33:43 PM
I see Laois GAA put up a video of past glories and how we are getting excited for the weekend lets take a reality pill folks  If anyone in Laois is getting excited about a Division 4 final they have very little to be worrying about. Its a shambles that Laois were ever in D4. Effectively scrapping past Carlow, London& Waterford along with conceeding 3 goals against Leitrim, Where is the ambition gone? Showing the videos of the past, being in D1 and Leinster Championships is ridiculous. Understand Laois on a road to recovery but I wont be celebrating a D4 win I can assure you. It is purely expected at minimum. Next year is where we start seeing where Laois are at, and the year after that, year after that...
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 27, 2018, 12:53:37 PM
I see Laois GAA put up a video of past glories and how we are getting excited for the weekend lets take a reality pill folks  If anyone in Laois is getting excited about a Division 4 final they have very little to be worrying about. Its a shambles that Laois were ever in D4. Effectively scrapping past Carlow, London& Waterford along with conceeding 3 goals against Leitrim, Where is the ambition gone? Showing the videos of the past, being in D1 and Leinster Championships is ridiculous. Understand Laois on a road to recovery but I wont be celebrating a D4 win I can assure you. It is purely expected at minimum. Next year is where we start seeing where Laois are at, and the year after that, year after that...
Arrah would you f**k off you dry auld fecker. These players need to make their own history. Past glories in Laois are fleeting, we think we're this superpower in hibernation, we've spent far more time at the bottom of hill/halfway up than we have at the top. Not even an f**king All Ireland to our name. Jesus, where would we be got.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on March 27, 2018, 01:40:59 PM
Hope Sugrue goes with a full strength team and they use the wide open spaces of Croke Park to tear into Carlow. I'd like to see

Brody, Attride, Timmons, Farrell (sweeping), Piggott, Begley (holding the middle) Dillon, Johnno, Lilis, Glynn, P Kingston if fit, O'Reilly, Kingston, Walsh and Evan if fit

Any update on Conway, Quigley, Murphy, Damien O'Connor?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 27, 2018, 02:08:28 PM
GAA Smart, we're not "getting excited" that we're in a league final. We're just pleased with the progress being made. True supporters will follow a team through thick and thin. We hit rock bottom last year, and we're pleased that we're on the way back up again. I hate that cynical attitude that a lot of ye have. Some good progress is being made and all involved deserve our support. We're all in this together as being part of the Laois GAA community. If they players had the same attitude some of ye have, half of them wouldn't have turned up this year as "it's only division 4". We'd be in some mess then. If you only support us and go to matches when we're managed by Micko and in Leinster finals, well you're not a true supporter really are you. We need all the support we can get Sunday and in this years championship. It really does make a difference when a game is tight. I've seen us lose in recent years when the other team has a 16th man cheering them on, outnumbering us by about 10 to 1. It's that kind of attitude that has us outnumbered.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 27, 2018, 02:19:37 PM
At least this thread is getting a nice bit of activity...

Come lads there must be more out there that Troll and have an opinion but can't be bothered writing it.

Its Division 4 we are where we are.

Its still a chance to win a trophy.

I for one will be there and i'm looking forward to it!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 27, 2018, 02:21:36 PM
GAA Smart, we're not "getting excited" that we're in a league final. We're just pleased with the progress being made. True supporters will follow a team through thick and thin. We hit rock bottom last year, and we're pleased that we're on the way back up again. I hate that cynical attitude that a lot of ye have. Some good progress is being made and all involved deserve our support. We're all in this together as being part of the Laois GAA community. If they players had the same attitude some of ye have, half of them wouldn't have turned up this year as "it's only division 4". We'd be in some mess then. If you only support us and go to matches when we're managed by Micko and in Leinster finals, well you're not a true supporter really are you. We need all the support we can get Sunday and in this years championship. It really does make a difference when a game is tight. I've seen us lose in recent years when the other team has a 16th man cheering them on, outnumbering us by about 10 to 1. It's that kind of attitude that has us outnumbered.

Might be better to go Saturday but I suppose if you wear blue and white you could get away with supporting Cavan :-) ;-)


Only Joking Tony!!!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on March 27, 2018, 02:42:48 PM
Hope Sugrue goes with a full strength team and they use the wide open spaces of Croke Park to tear into Carlow. I'd like to see

Brody, Attride, Timmons, Farrell (sweeping), Piggott, Begley (holding the middle) Dillon, Johnno, Lilis, Glynn, P Kingston if fit, O'Reilly, Kingston, Walsh and Evan if fit

Any update on Conway, Quigley, Murphy, Damien O'Connor?
Quigley getting it very hard to shake off his injury. Doesn't sound good.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 27, 2018, 02:48:47 PM
We hit rock bottom last year, and we're pleased that we're on the way back up again.

This is the crux of it. We are not playing any better this year than we did last year (and in some respects the performances are even worse). The fact that we're scraping a few victories against London and Waterford is not an indication of improvement.

 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 27, 2018, 03:06:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcdNumgT8m0

Four years ago ...Jesus we had some amount of chances in the first half and played some stuff...

Merdith Conway and Finn would be a boost to the ranks this year.....

Don't watch the second half!!! :-)

I think that might been Brody's debut I could be wrong!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on March 27, 2018, 03:18:15 PM
I'd go;
Brody
Dillon Timmons Attride
Donoher
Strong Begley Collins
Lillis JOL
O'Reilly  P Kingston O'Carroll
D Kingston Walsh
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on March 27, 2018, 03:35:58 PM
Conway is fit and ready to go. Played the league game against Ballyroan last Saturday.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 27, 2018, 03:43:27 PM
Conway is fit and ready to go. Played the league game against Ballyroan last Saturday.

Interesting did he do well he must be near a place on the panel

Booth is in contention as well for this weekend!

It could be a week too soon for Paul Kingston!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on March 27, 2018, 04:01:49 PM
Not a bother.

Up to Sugrue I suppose if he see's fit to give him game time.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 27, 2018, 04:22:20 PM
Might be better to go Saturday but I suppose if you wear blue and white you could get away with supporting Cavan :-) ;-)
If Cavan were playing that might be a good idea mate, they're playing the next day. It's us, carlow, armagh and fermanagh on sat. :P
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on March 27, 2018, 07:31:21 PM
Im hearing Evan is out?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 27, 2018, 08:26:41 PM
GAA Smart, we're not "getting excited" that we're in a league final. We're just pleased with the progress being made. True supporters will follow a team through thick and thin. We hit rock bottom last year, and we're pleased that we're on the way back up again. I hate that cynical attitude that a lot of ye have. Some good progress is being made and all involved deserve our support. We're all in this together as being part of the Laois GAA community. If they players had the same attitude some of ye have, half of them wouldn't have turned up this year as "it's only division 4". We'd be in some mess then. If you only support us and go to matches when we're managed by Micko and in Leinster finals, well you're not a true supporter really are you. We need all the support we can get Sunday and in this years championship. It really does make a difference when a game is tight. I've seen us lose in recent years when the other team has a 16th man cheering them on, outnumbering us by about 10 to 1. It's that kind of attitude that has us outnumbered.

So your only a supporter if you put with any old crap thrown at you, listen to yourself the bandwagon is what this county needs.  I donít care when they started following Laois hopefully supporters do get carried away by a league final and are hungry for more success because if whatís happened over the last few years is a qualification to be a supporter then you would want locking up.  Roll on the band wagon bring cash we need it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 27, 2018, 08:39:45 PM
GAA Smart, we're not "getting excited" that we're in a league final. We're just pleased with the progress being made. True supporters will follow a team through thick and thin. We hit rock bottom last year, and we're pleased that we're on the way back up again. I hate that cynical attitude that a lot of ye have. Some good progress is being made and all involved deserve our support. We're all in this together as being part of the Laois GAA community. If they players had the same attitude some of ye have, half of them wouldn't have turned up this year as "it's only division 4". We'd be in some mess then. If you only support us and go to matches when we're managed by Micko and in Leinster finals, well you're not a true supporter really are you. We need all the support we can get Sunday and in this years championship. It really does make a difference when a game is tight. I've seen us lose in recent years when the other team has a 16th man cheering them on, outnumbering us by about 10 to 1. It's that kind of attitude that has us outnumbered.

So your only a supporter if you put with any old crap thrown at you, listen to yourself the bandwagon is what this county needs.  I donít care when they started following Laois hopefully supporters do get carried away by a league final and are hungry for more success because if whatís happened over the last few years is a qualification to be a supporter then you would want locking up.  Roll on the band wagon bring cash we need it.
Iíve never seen a bandwagon I didnít want to be on
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 27, 2018, 09:48:24 PM
Might be better to go Saturday but I suppose if you wear blue and white you could get away with supporting Cavan :-) ;-)
If Cavan were playing that might be a good idea mate, they're playing the next day. It's us, carlow, armagh and fermanagh on sat. :P


I know that but you said your going Sunday in your previous post  :P :P :P
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 28, 2018, 07:46:59 AM
Im hearing Evan is out?

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/03/28/two-major-injury-worries-for-laois-footballers-ahead-of-league-final/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on March 28, 2018, 08:24:57 AM
Im of the opinion sugrue has made progress. Looking over previous seasons now Laois cannot take any team for granted. I think Carlow will be a bigger test this week with two our best forwards likely to be missing. At the start of the season i would of been happy with promotion and a championship win against Wexford. This a momentum changing game win and spirits are up for championship. I dont want to think of alternative but it is a big possibilty as this carlow team on the road longer than us.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on March 28, 2018, 08:29:56 AM
I expect Laois to win this one with a few points to spare, as low as we have fallen there's nothing to suggest we cant go out in Croke Park and beat them. We need to bully them from the first second and don't give them a chance to settle, they seem to think its a matter of turning up to win this. We are no great shakes but jaysus lads we are making Carlow out to be a top 4 team .

Its time Laois played well for the full 70 and I really fancy us to do a job on Carlow.
Laois 2-10 Carlow 0-10
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 28, 2018, 08:45:57 AM
I expect Laois to win this one with a few points to spare, as low as we have fallen there's nothing to suggest we cant go out in Croke Park and beat them. We need to bully them from the first second and don't give them a chance to settle, they seem to think its a matter of turning up to win this. We are no great shakes but jaysus lads we are making Carlow out to be a top 4 team .

Its time Laois played well for the full 70 and I really fancy us to do a job on Carlow.
Laois 2-10 Carlow 0-10


Your from Portlaoise you donít understand this mentality, firstly you build Carlow up and when you do beat them claim a victory similar to beating one of the super 8.  Anyone honestly think Carlow are going to beat us Saturday.  If so I can only imagine what Kildare, Tipperary or Clare would do to us.  Laois will beat Carlow on Saturday same as last Sunday and before you go on with the drum ďifísĒ win nothing. Carlow had every chance last Sunday mainly down to Laois freezing in front and they could not take it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on March 28, 2018, 08:48:07 AM
Laois & Carlow are probably ranked between 20 - 24 at the minute. Im not bigging up Carlow on form from last years championship they were better than us thats all im saying. I hope we beat them out the gate but can see another big struggle ahead.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 28, 2018, 09:26:11 AM
Laois & Carlow are probably ranked between 20 - 24 at the minute. Im not bigging up Carlow on form from last years championship they were better than us thats all im saying. I hope we beat them out the gate but can see another big struggle ahead.

I think you hit the nail on the head, I might rate both of them slightly higher but Carlow are at 100%, Laois are operating below this.  Donie Kingston was maybe worth 0-6 points last year this year he has yet to hit form.  I think he will at some point, itís akin to Donegal without Murphy.  I was impressed by Carlow tackling last Sunday, Laois should take note.  Their formation is limited in where it can go, but some of our decision making when we lose concentration is cat. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: GAA-SMART on March 28, 2018, 12:07:22 PM
I see Laois GAA put up a video of past glories and how we are getting excited for the weekend lets take a reality pill folks  If anyone in Laois is getting excited about a Division 4 final they have very little to be worrying about. Its a shambles that Laois were ever in D4. Effectively scrapping past Carlow, London& Waterford along with conceeding 3 goals against Leitrim, Where is the ambition gone? Showing the videos of the past, being in D1 and Leinster Championships is ridiculous. Understand Laois on a road to recovery but I wont be celebrating a D4 win I can assure you. It is purely expected at minimum. Next year is where we start seeing where Laois are at, and the year after that, year after that...
Arrah would you f**k off you dry auld fecker. These players need to make their own history. Past glories in Laois are fleeting, we think we're this superpower in hibernation, we've spent far more time at the bottom of hill/halfway up than we have at the top. Not even an f**king All Ireland to our name. Jesus, where would we be got.

Either youve missed my point or are just a thick- My point is exactly that- why are we showing past glories when we are so far away from it. I expect a D4 win at minimum does not make me dry it makes me know there is bigger things to be done down the long road we have infront of us.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 28, 2018, 12:09:20 PM
I see Laois GAA put up a video of past glories and how we are getting excited for the weekend lets take a reality pill folks  If anyone in Laois is getting excited about a Division 4 final they have very little to be worrying about. Its a shambles that Laois were ever in D4. Effectively scrapping past Carlow, London& Waterford along with conceeding 3 goals against Leitrim, Where is the ambition gone? Showing the videos of the past, being in D1 and Leinster Championships is ridiculous. Understand Laois on a road to recovery but I wont be celebrating a D4 win I can assure you. It is purely expected at minimum. Next year is where we start seeing where Laois are at, and the year after that, year after that...
Arrah would you f**k off you dry auld fecker. These players need to make their own history. Past glories in Laois are fleeting, we think we're this superpower in hibernation, we've spent far more time at the bottom of hill/halfway up than we have at the top. Not even an f**king All Ireland to our name. Jesus, where would we be got.

Either youve missed my point or are just a thick- My point is exactly that- why are we showing past glories when we are so far away from it. I expect a D4 win at minimum does not make me dry it makes me know there is bigger things to be done down the long road we have infront of us.
No, you're dry because you've no f**king joy in your soul. Let them get excited, we bitch and moan about people not coming out to support our players, and then we bitch and moan about the CB trying to drum up some good feeling.
I think we're a county of bitchers and moaners really.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: GAA-SMART on March 28, 2018, 12:19:20 PM
If your comfortable with that view I have no problem with that, I clearly just have a higher standard than yourself. No doubt you're probably involved in the CB and were apart of the shambles of the last 5 years or more
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 28, 2018, 12:20:32 PM
I can't stand reading this bullshit about our supposed seniority to Carlow. We beat them and they missed a couple of golden chances. They have every reason to believe they can beat us Saturday. I don't know where this inflated opinion of Laois either past or present comes from and I'm grateful someone with a brain like John Sugrue won't buy into this crap. The reality is that nobody fears playing Laois and if I were an opposing coach I could certainly see a number of ways that could potentially beat them. We're in Division 4 not solely because of bad coaching.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 28, 2018, 12:23:40 PM
If your comfortable with that view I have no problem with that, I clearly just have a higher standard than yourself. No doubt you're probably involved in the CB and were apart of the shambles of the last 5 years or more
Haha, Me? County Board? Have you read any of my posts on here?! f**k off will you and your higher standards. You're the sort who would demand higher standards, but do jack shit to get them. Bitch and moan and complain about how the good old days were so much better, not realising that your good old days were actually shit and the truly good moments were few and far between. Buy a flag or f**k off.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 28, 2018, 12:24:30 PM
I can't stand reading this bullshit about our supposed seniority to Carlow. We beat them and they missed a couple of golden chances. They have every reason to believe they can beat us Saturday. I don't know where this inflated opinion of Laois either past or present comes from and I'm grateful someone with a brain like John Sugrue won't buy into this crap. The reality is that nobody fears playing Laois and if I were an opposing coach I could certainly see a number of ways that could potentially beat them. We're in Division 4 not solely because of bad coaching.
Thank God the matches are played on the internet eh.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: GAA-SMART on March 28, 2018, 12:32:46 PM
If your comfortable with that view I have no problem with that, I clearly just have a higher standard than yourself. No doubt you're probably involved in the CB and were apart of the shambles of the last 5 years or more
Haha, Me? County Board? Have you read any of my posts on here?! f**k off will you and your higher standards. You're the sort who would demand higher standards, but do jack shit to get them. Bitch and moan and complain about how the good old days were so much better, not realising that your good old days were actually shit and the truly good moments were few and far between. Buy a flag or f**k off.

What do you suggest I do? That I don't already do, Im sure the keyboard warrior that you are would have loads of unique suggestions.. youre some absolute moron in all fairness.. you're probably from Offaly really
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 28, 2018, 12:35:30 PM
If your comfortable with that view I have no problem with that, I clearly just have a higher standard than yourself. No doubt you're probably involved in the CB and were apart of the shambles of the last 5 years or more
Haha, Me? County Board? Have you read any of my posts on here?! f**k off will you and your higher standards. You're the sort who would demand higher standards, but do jack shit to get them. Bitch and moan and complain about how the good old days were so much better, not realising that your good old days were actually shit and the truly good moments were few and far between. Buy a flag or f**k off.
Just to clarify Don. Are you saying that that match on Sunday was a "truly good moment" in the overall picture of Laois GAA?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 28, 2018, 01:03:40 PM
If your comfortable with that view I have no problem with that, I clearly just have a higher standard than yourself. No doubt you're probably involved in the CB and were apart of the shambles of the last 5 years or more
Haha, Me? County Board? Have you read any of my posts on here?! f**k off will you and your higher standards. You're the sort who would demand higher standards, but do jack shit to get them. Bitch and moan and complain about how the good old days were so much better, not realising that your good old days were actually shit and the truly good moments were few and far between. Buy a flag or f**k off.
Just to clarify Don. Are you saying that that match on Sunday was a "truly good moment" in the overall picture of Laois GAA?
Neither.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 28, 2018, 01:32:20 PM
Just to nip that bitching with each other in the bud there lads. Ye wouldn't even raise a voice to each other in public so sit down, ye look stupid. Nobody thinks you're hard lads. Opinions are opinions and we're all entitled to them. No need for the cowardly insults from the safety of your bedroom. Now lets get on with talking about laois gaa or else it might be wise to get your mom to turn off the wifi modem for a while.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 28, 2018, 01:36:44 PM
If your comfortable with that view I have no problem with that, I clearly just have a higher standard than yourself. No doubt you're probably involved in the CB and were apart of the shambles of the last 5 years or more
Haha, Me? County Board? Have you read any of my posts on here?! f**k off will you and your higher standards. You're the sort who would demand higher standards, but do jack shit to get them. Bitch and moan and complain about how the good old days were so much better, not realising that your good old days were actually shit and the truly good moments were few and far between. Buy a flag or f**k off.

What do you suggest I do? That I don't already do, Im sure the keyboard warrior that you are would have loads of unique suggestions.. youre some absolute moron in all fairness.. you're probably from Offaly really
I'd suggest you don't take cheap shots from the internet like a keyboard warrior, and allow Laois GAA try to generate some good feeling around the county again. Even if it is only Division 4, it is where we are.
Try keep the insults to a minimum please, I dont mind being called a moron, but dont you f**king dare call me an Offaly man.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 28, 2018, 02:26:52 PM
Don remove that 2nd last comment you are stepping over the line, Tonyís right itís a Laois GAA forum.  You are taking it somewhere else.
I'll remove it, but I expect Tony to apologise for bringing my dear mother into this. He should be ashamed of himself.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on March 28, 2018, 06:16:05 PM
He's a fine player alright but by God there's not much going on upstairs with Psycho.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 28, 2018, 06:21:20 PM
He's a fine player alright but by God there's not much going on upstairs with Psycho.
Poor aul divil, they snowflakes will rip him to shreds for this
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 28, 2018, 06:52:06 PM
He should close that Twitter account. Comments like that will do him no favours in life.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 28, 2018, 06:54:18 PM
Let's all support our guys next Saturday ....


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 28, 2018, 09:02:22 PM
Gary will never get anywhere if he doesnít regulate his tweeting. Except maybe president of the USA.

Unfortunate all the same.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on March 29, 2018, 09:57:15 AM
If Evan O'Carroll is out I wonder will David Conway get the nod to start? Maybe Ross starts with Conway on the bench.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on March 29, 2018, 10:30:39 AM
If Evan O'Carroll is out I wonder will David Conway get the nod to start? Maybe Ross starts with Conway on the bench.
Ross nailed on to start I'd say
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 29, 2018, 12:12:12 PM
I would hope that the younger lads are given the taste for Croke Park. Maybe Eoin Lowry could be given the chance. He'd add a bit of badly needed pace anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 29, 2018, 12:15:04 PM
Ross will probably start now maybe Lowry

Not much options for scoring forwards unless Cahillane is fit or maybe Darren Strong.

Hopefully Cahillane can make a return soon along with Conway ...Might be and Idea to ask forbes and Moore back in because if we lost one or two more we only have a little over a month to the wexford game and forwards that can kick a point are hard to come by!

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 29, 2018, 12:23:00 PM
Ross will probably start now maybe Lowry

Not much options for scoring forwards unless Cahillane is fit or maybe Darren Strong.

Hopefully Cahillane can make a return soon along with Conway ...Might be and Idea to ask forbes and Moore back in because if we lost one or two more we only have a little over a month to the wexford game and forwards that can kick a point are hard to come by!
I thought Moore and Forbes were sent back to their clubs to get game time? The league has barely started, how much could they have gotten? Also, is Moore not in Dubai?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on March 29, 2018, 02:31:09 PM
Ross will probably start now maybe Lowry

Not much options for scoring forwards unless Cahillane is fit or maybe Darren Strong.

Hopefully Cahillane can make a return soon along with Conway ...Might be and Idea to ask forbes and Moore back in because if we lost one or two more we only have a little over a month to the wexford game and forwards that can kick a point are hard to come by!
I thought Moore and Forbes were sent back to their clubs to get game time? The league has barely started, how much could they have gotten? Also, is Moore not in Dubai?
Thought it was Finn was in Dubai? Unless Moore is too?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 29, 2018, 03:19:24 PM
It will be at least 3 weeks before Cahillane is fit to play. If O'Carroll is fit he should start with Ross or Conway to come in later on.
Our main problem will be breaking down that 14 man defensive wall that Carlow play with and they will almost certainly go with that strategy again on Saturday. It's at that time that we should be sending in high ball to the full forward line, grab a few scores and make them come out and play football.
I think in an open game we would have the beating of them but if they set up camp in our half like they did last day it will depend on who has the most patience.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 29, 2018, 03:45:46 PM
It will be at least 3 weeks before Cahillane is fit to play. If O'Carroll is fit he should start with Ross or Conway to come in later on.
Our main problem will be breaking down that 14 man defensive wall that Carlow play with and they will almost certainly go with that strategy again on Saturday. It's at that time that we should be sending in high ball to the full forward line, grab a few scores and make them come out and play football.
I think in an open game we would have the beating of them but if they set up camp in our half like they did last day it will depend on who has the most patience.

Sure we grabbed a few scores the last day early and they didn't come out...they were 7 points dwon against Dublin in O'Moore park last year at the start of the second half and got a free in midfield and kicked it back to their goal keeper.That's when me and about 2000 Dubs got up from their seats in the stand and walked down to the pubs!

Puke football to another extreme!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 29, 2018, 05:39:04 PM
They scored between 17 and 20 points in most games in the league. Not too far off our numbers.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 29, 2018, 07:12:12 PM
I wish Sugrue and the boys all the very best on Saturday. I hope they give a good account of themselves and if they play to their potential I donít see them being beaten. I hope a good Laois following make their way to support them as they are wearing the Laois jersey in a national Final in Croke Park and itís the least they deserve. One fella put himself in a shitstorm this week, and if given the chance by the management I hope he repays them.

Laois abu.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 29, 2018, 10:58:57 PM
I heard Psycho has got the chop . A few of the Ballylinan lads have told us the news.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 29, 2018, 11:27:11 PM
I heard Psycho has got the chop . A few of the Ballylinan lads have told us the news.

Massive loss

Hopefully not for the season

Stupid and insensitive tweet but heat of the moment stuff
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 29, 2018, 11:35:37 PM
I havenít been impressed with the performances of the team but huge kudos to Sugrue and team for continually making good decisions on player management. One of the key things needed in Laois is a culture of maturity and responsibility. Bad decisions in private are very often reflected on the field. This is an important decision for the long term good of the county
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 29, 2018, 11:36:15 PM
I heard Psycho has got the chop . A few of the Ballylinan lads have told us the news.

Massive loss

Hopefully not for the season

Stupid and insensitive tweet but heat of the moment stuff
Great talent, but a thundering f**king eejit. He should have all his social media accounts taken down, anyone whos seen them, will know why.
I dont blame management if they have dropped him, he was a colossal f**king gobshite for posting what he did. Saying that, its his opinion and he's entitled to it, and f**k the snowflakes. We live in a world gone crazy on pc sadly, if you dont go along with the herd, you get jumped upon and savaged.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 30, 2018, 12:07:26 AM
Gary is a clown for doing what he did and once again has let down himself his  club and his teammates far too often under previous managers my idea good luck to him let him show off his Maddness playing just club football and leave using the county as some sort of window to be an outspoken idiot... if Carlow beat laois itís a disgrace no two ways about it but Sunday will give us a clue into our system of play because it does not seem evident yet
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 30, 2018, 02:04:29 AM
That's bad news about Gary but it is the right thing to do by the management team. He will be a big loss to us as he is our top scorer and the top scorer in the COUNTRY during the league.
A guy with his talent should know better, talk about letting the side down .. ???




Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 30, 2018, 07:42:15 AM
He shouldn't be dropped for that. He took it down immediately and apologised immediately. It was very poorly worded and not wise to put up so soon after the event, but a large portion of the country were saying the same thing. He basically said, that if the rugby lads were found innocent it means that the girl could be seen as guilty of making things up. He put it up in a bad way but took it down and apologised. I don't agree with what he said but I don't think he should be dropped. Definitely not long term. Drop him for this match maybe and then right back in it for the championship. We might as well forget about it if our top scorer is out for the year.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Leixlad on March 30, 2018, 08:06:02 AM
He shouldn't be dropped for that. He took it down immediately and apologised immediately. It was very poorly worded and not wise to put up so soon after the event, but a large portion of the country were saying the same thing. He basically said, that if the rugby lads were found innocent it means that the girl could be seen as guilty of making things up. He put it up in a bad way but took it down and apologised. I don't agree with what he said but I don't think he should be dropped. Definitely not long term. Drop him for this match maybe and then right back in it for the championship. We might as well forget about it if our top scorer is out for the year.

Would have to agree with you there. It was stupid but not the end of the world he should have known better. As someone said the whole place is gone PC crazy its ridiculous. Cant believe the amount of people attacking the Laois Gaa twitter feed, it was a personal account people trying to make out it represented Laois Gaa. Drop him for final and play away in championship. Luckily twitter will save him just as much as it done him in as some other gobshite is sure to take the heat off him with his own shitstorm soon. Garys tweet will be forgotten and Laois will need him in the summer. PC brigade dont watch Leinster championship they will be busy tweeting about trump ect in June and July and we need Gary simple as that.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 30, 2018, 08:48:46 AM
The tweet was indefensible and a ban is necessary for his own good. Sooner or later he will have to learn that there are consequences for his actions. His Retweet groupies and Laois GAA won't pay his bills, so the ultimate duty of care is to himself.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 30, 2018, 09:27:45 AM
He shouldn't be dropped for that. He took it down immediately and apologised immediately. It was very poorly worded and not wise to put up so soon after the event, but a large portion of the country were saying the same thing. He basically said, that if the rugby lads were found innocent it means that the girl could be seen as guilty of making things up. He put it up in a bad way but took it down and apologised. I don't agree with what he said but I don't think he should be dropped. Definitely not long term. Drop him for this match maybe and then right back in it for the championship. We might as well forget about it if our top scorer is out for the year.

Would have to agree with you there. It was stupid but not the end of the world he should have known better. As someone said the whole place is gone PC crazy its ridiculous. Cant believe the amount of people attacking the Laois Gaa twitter feed, it was a personal account people trying to make out it represented Laois Gaa. Drop him for final and play away in championship. Luckily twitter will save him just as much as it done him in as some other gobshite is sure to take the heat off him with his own shitstorm soon. Garys tweet will be forgotten and Laois will need him in the summer. PC brigade dont watch Leinster championship they will be busy tweeting about trump ect in June and July and we need Gary simple as that.

sensible post...Christ I never seen so many key board experts in the last 48 hours ....

Yes an unwise and insensitive post but he took it down and said sorry.

The crowd that were attacking Laois and saying they will be shouting for Carlow etc were never at a Laois game in their lives anyway.

Social Media means everyone can have an opinion at the same time nowadays and most people follow the crowd.

He was wrong its over ...End of story!

Drop him from the team maybe but leave it at that...

This time next week nobody will be talking about it!



Now back to the game lets hope this distraction doesn't affect the team too much Both him and O'Carroll will be massive losses if not available but we still might have enough to get over the line.

I hope a few from Laois make the journey up as we might not get many trips to Laois lift silverware in croke park(if they win)

I for one can't wait for tomorrow ..Pity the train is such a drag just found out its a bus from Newbridge to houston thats a drag for my mates coming up .

Im in Dublin the whole weekend!Hopefully going to croker Sunday as well.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 30, 2018, 09:50:23 AM
I'll be driving up with my son - 3 spaces in the back if anyone wants a lift - or 2 if you're a bit hefty. Might as well car pool a bit. I'll be parking about 5 - 10 mins walk from Croke Pk.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 30, 2018, 09:51:40 AM
He shouldn't be dropped for that. He took it down immediately and apologised immediately. It was very poorly worded and not wise to put up so soon after the event, but a large portion of the country were saying the same thing. He basically said, that if the rugby lads were found innocent it means that the girl could be seen as guilty of making things up. He put it up in a bad way but took it down and apologised. I don't agree with what he said but I don't think he should be dropped. Definitely not long term. Drop him for this match maybe and then right back in it for the championship. We might as well forget about it if our top scorer is out for the year.

Welcome to the real world where people are held accountable for their actions.  Everytime Gary puts on the Laois Jersey he represents every man,woman and child in this county.  I cannot believe he was that naive to put that post up and not realize their is serious ramifications to getting involved in something like this.  Laois is looking for someone to take over naming right to O Moore park at the current moment.  What large company would touch a county that is anyway mired in controversy. Our main sponsor was dragged in,  all because somebody is attention seeking.  If any team is to succeed there has to be discipline within the ranks, and there has to be consequences to actions. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on March 30, 2018, 09:56:02 AM
Iím wondering if he was warned previously about comments on social media as dropping him for the biggest game of the year seems harsh. Surely a strong warning or provision that if it happened again heíd Be dropped would have done. Why canít lads have an alias or alter ego account for their ramblings on Twitter.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on March 30, 2018, 10:17:19 AM
Nah in hindsight it's best to drop him for the final as this will be seen as punishment enough. Also, we wont attract any major negative attention on Saturday as the man at the centre of the row will not be there. In hindsight, it was a good assertive move by management. It's appropriate punishment. Get him back for the championship and say no more about it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 30, 2018, 10:19:11 AM
Nah in hindsight it's best to drop him for the final as this will be seen as punishment enough. Also, we wont attract any major negative attention on Saturday as the man at the centre of the row will not be there. In hindsight, it was a good assertive move by management. It's appropriate punishment. Get him back for the championship and say no more about it.

Thatís the most sensible course of action. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 30, 2018, 10:31:29 AM
I'd leave him sit for the rest of the year. A message needs to be sent to all the youngsters in the county and we need to be seen to be doing the right thing. No half measures. The County is bigger than the individual even if that means shooting ourselves in the foot.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 30, 2018, 10:43:29 AM
High fielder Iím with you the individual has always been involved in some sort of controversy ask the joes club ...players just pass threw but they represent us as a county ballyroanabu our are spot on....I would be getting rid of him for the year if not for good
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 30, 2018, 10:49:47 AM
A league final is a heavy punishment, for a county that is not in many.  But discipline and team must be above the individual or we will continue to return to this.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 30, 2018, 10:56:50 AM
I'd leave him sit for the rest of the year. A message needs to be sent to all the youngsters in the county and we need to be seen to be doing the right thing. No half measures. The County is bigger than the individual even if that means shooting ourselves in the foot.

I don't know about leaving him sit for the year but I couldn't agree more about the need to send clear messages to all the youngsters in the county. Everyone that pulls on a Laois jersey has a responsibility to behave with a certain decorum and most especially in public forums. The only thing is that this message has to be consistent across the entire spectrum of teams and officials - from the u-13s upwards. If John Surgue is a lone voice in trying to do the right thing, it'll never work.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on March 30, 2018, 11:59:53 AM
It was a grossly insensitive and stupid  thing to say. Hes his own worst enemy. Fair play to Sugrue.
Dropping him is the right thing to do.

Missing a lot of heads tomorrow. I think carlow will edge it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on March 30, 2018, 12:22:06 PM
Headache for John who was probably already trying to plan without Evan...With Paul also out I'm hearing it will be a tough ask to beat Carlow now.

Probably the right call but I hope its just this game as thats punishment enough.


Anyway one man's loss is another man's gain some fellow will get a start instead now and its up to him to take that chance be it david Conway ,Eoin Lowry ross munnelly etc...

some one will also get a place in the 26 now instead and maybe they could feature so on we go......


Still hasn't taken away from the day for me I can't wait!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on March 30, 2018, 01:54:03 PM
without paul & gary, we will be bother to get scores. hopefully gary will learn from this. I think this will be a tight one, I hope we are capable of beating them without our best two forwards going on league form. As kevin keegan once said i would love it if we beat them. Laois ABU
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 30, 2018, 02:58:56 PM
Same old Laois. We have always been our own worst enemy. We tend to beat ourselves before we go onto the pitch. Its not the opposition we need to fear, but our own stupidity ::).

I'm sure the Carlow boys cant believe their luck.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: G@@ on March 30, 2018, 03:23:27 PM
I'd leave him sit for the rest of the year. A message needs to be sent to all the youngsters in the county and we need to be seen to be doing the right thing. No half measures. The County is bigger than the individual even if that means shooting ourselves in the foot.

This kinda tripe boils my blood. It's the responsibility of parents to give "messages" to youngsters, not some sports star.

Reading the fookwits on Twitter throwing digs at the county board is laughable, the vast majority of them - hard core feminists, wouldn't know what the inside of O'Moore Park even looks like.

It's high time normal folk start pushing back at these feminists and their left wing comrades as they will eventually get total control if they are let and God help life then or sports like the GAA then, cause they'd next to outlaw it.

Having to change aspects to our games up when some jumped up left winger squeals like a pig is not the way to be running the GAA organisation. Laois GAA should have told them in the nicest way possible to fcuk right off. Enough is enough.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 30, 2018, 03:53:23 PM
I'd leave him sit for the rest of the year. A message needs to be sent to all the youngsters in the county and we need to be seen to be doing the right thing. No half measures. The County is bigger than the individual even if that means shooting ourselves in the foot.

This kinda tripe boils my blood. It's the responsibility of parents to give "messages" to youngsters, not some sports star.

Reading the fookwits on Twitter throwing digs at the county board is laughable, the vast majority of them - hard core feminists, wouldn't know what the inside of O'Moore Park even looks like.

It's high time normal folk start pushing back at these feminists and their left wing comrades as they will eventually get total control if they are let and God help life then or sports like the GAA then, cause they'd next to outlaw it.

Having to change aspects to our games up when some jumped up left winger squeals like a pig is not the way to be running the GAA organisation. Laois GAA should have told them in the nicest way possible to fcuk right off. Enough is enough.

Agreed, Gary was an idiot, but it seems free speech is only for the snowflakes in this social media age.

We move on. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 30, 2018, 04:02:04 PM
Players who wear the Laois jersey do not have the right to say whatever comes into their head. They are part of a team (which includes players, mentors and sponsors) and they need to understand that public views like this can bring the entire Laois GAA organisation into disrepute. Calling for the girl in the case to be named and shamed is hardly going to be representative of the view of his team and mentors.

Snowflakes indeed.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 30, 2018, 05:22:57 PM
I'd leave him sit for the rest of the year. A message needs to be sent to all the youngsters in the county and we need to be seen to be doing the right thing. No half measures. The County is bigger than the individual even if that means shooting ourselves in the foot.

This kinda tripe boils my blood. It's the responsibility of parents to give "messages" to youngsters, not some sports star.

Reading the fookwits on Twitter throwing digs at the county board is laughable, the vast majority of them - hard core feminists, wouldn't know what the inside of O'Moore Park even looks like.

It's high time normal folk start pushing back at these feminists and their left wing comrades as they will eventually get total control if they are let and God help life then or sports like the GAA then, cause they'd next to outlaw it.

Having to change aspects to our games up when some jumped up left winger squeals like a pig is not the way to be running the GAA organisation. Laois GAA should have told them in the nicest way possible to fcuk right off. Enough is enough.

You're joking, right? Or are you being sarcastic?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 30, 2018, 07:31:15 PM
Looking at Gary rub out the sponsors name on his post is just so childish time to let Gary go back to his club and cause no more embarrassment for himself and the laois people ....sugru  in fairness his hands are tied
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 30, 2018, 08:27:59 PM
Looking at Gary rub out the sponsors name on his post is just so childish time to let Gary go back to his club and cause no more embarrassment for himself and the laois people ....sugru  in fairness his hands are tied
f**k off you stones of a man
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on March 30, 2018, 10:16:11 PM
He made a mistake. He deserves to be dropped for the final.  Then draw a line under it and be
back for the championship. Headwreck for sugrue having to out up with this shite..

Has the potential to be a fascinating match tatically ..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 30, 2018, 10:24:32 PM
He made a mistake. He deserves to be dropped for the final.  Then draw a line under it and be
back for the championship. Headwreck for sugrue having to out up with this shite..

Has the potential to be a fascinating match tatically ..
Whoíd be a Laois manager, weíre some shower of crazy c***ts
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 30, 2018, 11:10:44 PM
Once a villain, is Gary Walsh now becoming a cause on twitter?

Its amazing the way things work. I got the impression that Paddy Jackson and co, were seen as victims, even with many women, up until the point they were found not guilty. Once that happened they became villains.

Gary, before being dropped, was a villain. Once dropped, I think he has become a victim and a cause!!

I see a lady on twitter saying 'Enough is enough of all the anger' regarding the reaction of feminists towards Gary.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on March 30, 2018, 11:11:06 PM
I cannot for the life of me understand how anybody feels that Gary Walsh should be effectively suspended by Laois GAA for a tweet. His profile picture is of himself engaging in a pastime that takes up a huge amount of his time, and one which he has a talent for.

He does not claim to speak for Laois GAA, the Laois Senior Football Team or anyone else for that matter.
I am not going to comment on whether or not I agree with what he said, but it is a legitimate discussion to be having, and one which several others have posted about and offered opinions on. He has the right to an opinion. He could express himself better and so on, but the fact is that only people who have chosen to follow him saw the tweet, directly.
Don't like him or don't agree with him? Unfollow him.

He referred to "feminists" in a way that could be interpreted as derogatory. How many of those who have allowed this to take over their lives for the last 2-3 days have used terms like "misogyny" and "chauvinistic". What's the difference? Attaching unwanted labels to people they don't know.

He has no obligation to the people of Laois to be a role model in his personal life. He does not work for Laois GAA,  he was not speaking at a GAA event. This has nothing to do with Laois GAA.
This expectation that is starting to creep in is unrealistic and unfair. People are into different things and have different "morals".

Seeing as it is topical, if a devout Catholic GAA player puts up a post saying "Save the 8th", is he using his position to influence people? Is he bringing politics into the GAA? Will he be suspended?

I don't agree with the decision to "suspend" him and more importantly I don't agree with WHY he was suspended. Laois GAA and John Sugrue didn't suspend him because of the tweet, they suspended him because of the grief they were getting about it.
Hounded into a decision by people on social media is not a correct basis for making a decision.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 30, 2018, 11:19:45 PM
He was suspended for a breach of the teams COC. It is what it is. Heíll be back, with fire in his veins. The birds love a bad boy too.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on March 30, 2018, 11:24:57 PM
He was suspended for a breach of the teams COC. It is what it is. Heíll be back, with fire in his veins. The birds love a bad boy too.

1) We are now going down the route of players signing contracts of behaviour?

2) Would he have breached the rules if people hadn't kicked off complaining about it?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 30, 2018, 11:42:28 PM
So Laois suspended him because of the reaction and not the content? Interesting. Are you sure about that?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 31, 2018, 12:01:53 AM
Don is absolutely correct. The wearing of the Laois jersey should come with some responsibilities. There is, or should be, a code of conduct which makes this kind of thing an issue worthy of sanction (and this should go for all controversial issues unless sanctioned by the management). The issue here is not about feminism - in my opinion, the reaction to the teeet was over the top - the issue is about how players represent themselves in public while theyíre wearing the Laois jersey.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on March 31, 2018, 12:16:02 AM
- the issue is about how players represent themselves in public while theyíre wearing the Laois jersey.

Genuine question- do you feel that fact that he was wearing the Laois jersey in his twitter pic meant he was represeenting Laois while tweeting?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 31, 2018, 12:38:38 AM
I cannot for the life of me understand how anybody feels that Gary Walsh should be effectively suspended by Laois GAA for a tweet. His profile picture is of himself engaging in a pastime that takes up a huge amount of his time, and one which he has a talent for.

He does not claim to speak for Laois GAA, the Laois Senior Football Team or anyone else for that matter.
I am not going to comment on whether or not I agree with what he said, but it is a legitimate discussion to be having, and one which several others have posted about and offered opinions on. He has the right to an opinion. He could express himself better and so on, but the fact is that only people who have chosen to follow him saw the tweet, directly.
Don't like him or don't agree with him? Unfollow him.

He referred to "feminists" in a way that could be interpreted as derogatory. How many of those who have allowed this to take over their lives for the last 2-3 days have used terms like "misogyny" and "chauvinistic". What's the difference? Attaching unwanted labels to people they don't know.

He has no obligation to the people of Laois to be a role model in his personal life. He does not work for Laois GAA,  he was not speaking at a GAA event. This has nothing to do with Laois GAA.
This expectation that is starting to creep in is unrealistic and unfair. People are into different things and have different "morals".

Seeing as it is topical, if a devout Catholic GAA player puts up a post saying "Save the 8th", is he using his position to influence people? Is he bringing politics into the GAA? Will he be suspended?

I don't agree with the decision to "suspend" him and more importantly I don't agree with WHY he was suspended. Laois GAA and John Sugrue didn't suspend him because of the tweet, they suspended him because of the grief they were getting about it.
Hounded into a decision by people on social media is not a correct basis for making a decision.

The tweet was very much adversarial and extremely controversial very much taking Laois GAA to a place that it does not want to be. The Laois County Executive are perfectly within their remit to suspend Gary.  The County Executive is responsible for the overall promotion of the game within the county.   They have to decide what is for the greater good, that is to censure Gary or not.  Gary play's for Laois at their pleasure and if they decide otherwise he does not.  The County Board runs Laois GAA not John Sugrue or Gary Walsh, if they are not happy with the tweet and require a suspension they are perfectly entitled to take that course of action.  They are the democratically elected body of the clubs.

Personally I think if you are a Laois Player you have a certain role and responsibilities in wearing that jersey.  Many on here think that on the field is where you start and stop but for a lot of people it goes much further.   Just because he is not getting paid does not absolve him from his responsibilities as a Laois Player.   
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Boy Wonder on March 31, 2018, 12:55:32 AM

I don't agree with the decision to "suspend" him and more importantly I don't agree with WHY he was suspended. Laois GAA and John Sugrue didn't suspend him because of the tweet, they suspended him because of the grief they were getting about it.
Hounded into a decision by people on social media is not a correct basis for making a decision.

Given the circumstances (Gary Walsh would never have foreseen the furore that his tweet caused) I think that Laois Co Board could have been more protective of the player and arranged his temporary withdrawal from the panel rather than a suspension. Yes, his tweet was very foolish but it was probably a bravado outburst for the benefit of his friends and certainly not intended for a nationwide audience. The vitriolic abuse he had suffered plus missing out on the Div 4 Final is more than enough punishment.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 31, 2018, 03:34:33 AM
He was suspended for a breach of the teams COC. It is what it is. Heíll be back, with fire in his veins. The birds love a bad boy too.

1) We are now going down the route of players signing contracts of behaviour?

2) Would he have breached the rules if people hadn't kicked off complaining about it?
You realise the laois players some years ago famously had a COC? Most clubs have one in fact.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 31, 2018, 09:00:16 AM
There were incidents around the Adam Johnson case where bans were imposed for inappropriate tweets. Andre Gray of Burnley was banned for comments made on Twitter long before he played for them. Very many people have been sacked worldwide for comments made on Twitter, and some not in any way related to their workplace. My point is this. When you are a part of a club, organisation or workplace, you have a duty of care to them and they to you. You cannot expect their loyalty and support when you make an ill timed and ill judged remark because they mightn't want to be perceived in that way. Its fine to debate how long the ban should be, but we cannot expect sponsors and Laois to just allow this to happen without sanction. We do after all have many ladies teams at all levels, and I'm sure many of them were disgusted by the remarks. I was too. They weren't one bit nice.

I wish the team well today. It won't be easy after everything that has happened this week. It was a difficult enough assignment anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on March 31, 2018, 09:02:23 AM

I don't agree with the decision to "suspend" him and more importantly I don't agree with WHY he was suspended. Laois GAA and John Sugrue didn't suspend him because of the tweet, they suspended him because of the grief they were getting about it.
Hounded into a decision by people on social media is not a correct basis for making a decision.

Given the circumstances (Gary Walsh would never have foreseen the furore that his tweet caused) I think that Laois Co Board could have been more protective of the player and arranged his temporary withdrawal from the panel rather than a suspension. Yes, his tweet was very foolish but it was probably a bravado outburst for the benefit of his friends and certainly not intended for a nationwide audience. The vitriolic abuse he had suffered plus missing out on the Div 4 Final is more than enough punishment.

This is the thing that really gets me about it. It seems that he DID know that it would be likely to cause a furore because the tweet itself said that he was going to throw the kitchen sink at the feminists that would attack him about it. My view is that his wearing of the Laois jersey in the Twitter profile is not the issue - the issue is that heís a clearly recognizable member of the Laois senior squad. Could you ever imagine Ross or JOL or Mark Timmons carrying on like that?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: recyclebin on March 31, 2018, 09:29:45 AM
He is awful eejit with no cop on at all. He already had one famous tweet about putting someone in hospital and now this.

Then he goes and blurs out the sponsors name. I wonder will he be back at all this season.

If he wants to spout sh1te on the internet why doesn't he just do it under a false name. The reason he won't do that is that he loves the attention and he wouldn't get any on twitter if he was some nobody on Twitter.

What a clown! Right before a league final too. Makes the blood boil....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on March 31, 2018, 09:33:57 AM
Good intelligent post high fielder. I think any manager/county board would have done the same.
Hes a big loss. As is evan. Especially against such a defensive side. We still might do it if donie and ross
have a good game but i put carlow as favourites now.
As Don says we just cant help ourselves in this county. There always seems to be some bullshit.

Anyways best of luck to the lads.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on March 31, 2018, 10:13:18 AM
Best of luck to the team today.
As for our top scorer.
First off, if i was him I'd be doing a James McClean on it and deleting my Twitter account.
Why he's no going on to make things even worse by blurring the sponsors name on his jersey is beyond me. That man, Martin Walsh has been very good to Laois GAA and is ultimately responsible for Gary's gear, meals after games and training etc.
Even the apology was a bit half assed.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser SŲze on March 31, 2018, 02:30:35 PM
There were incidents around the Adam Johnson case where bans were imposed for inappropriate tweets. Andre Gray of Burnley was banned for comments made on Twitter long before he played for them. Very many people have been sacked worldwide for comments made on Twitter, and some not in any way related to their workplace. My point is this. When you are a part of a club, organisation or workplace, you have a duty of care to them and they to you. You cannot expect their loyalty and support when you make an ill timed and ill judged remark because they mightn't want to be perceived in that way. Its fine to debate how long the ban should be, but we cannot expect sponsors and Laois to just allow this to happen without sanction. We do after all have many ladies teams at all levels, and I'm sure many of them were disgusted by the remarks. I was too. They weren't one bit nice.

I wish the team well today. It won't be easy after everything that has happened this week. It was a difficult enough assignment anyway.

You do realise that two lads named above are professional players? And employees of their clubs? Gary Walsh, to the best of my knowledge, is neither an employee of Laois GAA or paid to play for them. It is absolutely not the same thing.

On the COC, posting on social media (even if reckless) is not connected to performance on the field of the play, or ability to prepare. It is not an element of the players life that should be controlled to this degree, in my opinion. You cannot liken this to drinking prior to games, non attendance at training or participation in games/activities while not permitted. These are what should be covered in a COC (not that one should be needed).
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 31, 2018, 04:41:51 PM
GO ON LAOIS. Best performance in years.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on March 31, 2018, 04:54:46 PM
Very much a work in progress but fair play they got the win. They look united and buying into the mgmt. Kick outs were killing us and donie had an awful 2nd half after a brilliant 1st. Defensively still porous but all in all great to get the win without 3 of our starting forwards .. LAOIS LAOIS LAOIS
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on March 31, 2018, 05:10:24 PM
You couldnt say best performance in years jeez if Carlow could score we were in deep trouble ... this idea of letting Carlow run down the sideline baffled me but like I said I rated noone in this league and it warranted that statement... Iím very happy for John and his team as they had to deal with a stupid situation this week we looked excellent first half but our legs went at 45/46 minute stage that allowed Carlow Hildaís they missed woeful scores and Brendan Murphy for his hype is a poor footballer who just wants to try get his own scores and it cost Carlow... Brody v good John o loughlin very good lilies first half donie first half Ross was super defying his age ... job done work extra hard on fitness over next few weeks.. weíll done John and all involved
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on March 31, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
GO ON LAOIS. Best performance in years.

Seriously ?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on March 31, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
It probably was our best in recent times. That isn't saying much because the last few years have been tripe. We played as a team today and it was nice to see. Ross was exceptional. Our defensive frailties are obvious for all to see but our options are limited in that regard. We had no midfield platform either and this allowed Carlow easy possession. But the forwards caused nightmares for Carlow. They couldn't commit in large numbers because our movement and work rate in the forwards was so much better than it has been. A work in progress for sure but at least there were things to like about the performance. Well done to all involved and that includes Gary Walsh whose scores got us there
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 31, 2018, 07:40:01 PM
Job done, f**k the begrudgers. Thanks john and team. Great to see Psycho there too, hope this can all be put behind him now.

And a word for Ross, god bless you. To think people wanted that man to retire 2 years ago. A genius.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 31, 2018, 07:56:30 PM
Great win and nice to get out of div4 at the first attempt. Ross really came good today and it was a blessing in disguise that Gary didn't play. Good all round team performance but we'll have to improve our kickout strategy, could have cost us the game today.
Well done all concerned....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on March 31, 2018, 08:08:24 PM
GO ON LAOIS. Best performance in years.

Seriously ?

Initial euphoric reaction. In fairness, they played very well in the first half.

Ross is something else.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on March 31, 2018, 10:16:36 PM
Solid enough performance and a deserved win over a limited but hard working opposition.
Brody was apparently given man of the match on telly. He was great alright but his kickouts were mixed. I thought either Timmons or Dillon might have got it. Both were superb.
Others who were good for me were Johnno, Attride, Ross, Donie and Lowry. Glynn was decent as was Piggott but disappointed in Begley, Carroll, Lillis and Collins. Farrell I'm not sure on. Great point but didn't show enough in general play.
I though O'Reilly very poor when brought on. Bad decision making on a number of occasions. Strong added nothing either and both Donoher and Conway were much more impressive in a short space of time.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 31, 2018, 10:53:41 PM
My player opinions today were:
Brody: As always good shot stopping and positioning but a mixed bag on kickouts.
Attride : disappointed with him missed an easy scoring chance in the first half and kicked a sloppy foot pass from a free across the full back line that was intercepted.

Timmons: really good performance very commanding under a high ball also.

Dillon: probably his best performance ever in a defenders role . Made some good interceptions.

Collins: seems very light and not up to this level I feel.

Begley: solid performance job done .

Pigott: always seems to be willing but was tackled up once in the match and lost position. Gets the ball passes it left or right but offers nothing really as regards quality . Dosent cut it for me.

Johnno: Solid performance kicked a good score and gets through a lot of work.

Lillis: Mixed bag . Kicked a good point but can come across as a bit akward at times. Should still hold down that spot on the field .

Farrell: kicked a nice point but feel he dosent offer enough to this team for my liking.

Carroll: very poor offered nothing.

Glynn: sorry not for me .Never even threatens a score.

Munnelly : some man to kick a point as always . Majestic.
 
Kingston : the talisman , kicked some great scores in the first half but wasn't to be his second half today . Will only get better as he gets more running into the legs.

Lowry: kicked a couple of nice points but got blocked down a couple of times and done a flew silly things . Don't think Psycho or Evan o carrolls position will be under threat from him when they come back.

Dicey : very poor , gave away handy possession every time.

Strong : seems to have slowed down a lot but wasn't on for that long.

Conway , Donoher , Jamie Farrell and Crowley weren't on the field long enough for me to say anything.




Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 31, 2018, 11:01:47 PM
I noticed a lot of our better performers are the same guys like Johnno Munnelly, Kingston, Timmons, Begley etc. I just wonder what happens when these guys go? Can't help but think about it Yano?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on March 31, 2018, 11:27:21 PM
I noticed a lot of our better performers are the same guys like Johnno Munnelly, Kingston, Timmons, Begley etc. I just wonder what happens when these guys go? Can't help but think about it Yano?
Have you ever seen a half empty glass you didnít like?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on March 31, 2018, 11:45:33 PM
What do you mean Don? Sorry for my failure to understand you
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on April 01, 2018, 12:08:49 AM
Completely disagree with those comments about Glynn, Collins and Pigott. Glynn is an excellent link man and his lines put us on the front foot quite often. The other two are young and improving with every game. Their aggression in the tackle went up a notch today and I was delighted for Pigott as he had a hard time last week. I wouldn't mind seeing Collins and Attride switch as an experiment and Lillis for me is CB or nothing. We got cleaned out under the high ball in midfield and I've often thought Evan should be tried there, again on an experimental basis. There's a lot of work ahead and nobody is getting carried away, but we've won a few matches, so it's not all doom and gloom for a change. Enjoy it. What's seldom is wonderful
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on April 01, 2018, 01:11:22 AM
5 clubmates on the laois team today Iíll predict we will abs murder anyone in club champo this year...on reflection Baratheon was unreal seen the replay of the game... I wonít deny we were poor I wonít deny we looked the 2nd best team I will admit with us yes Portlaoise boys hey lads we Sudanís won nothing up the TOWN yee rest hahahahaha nite now hahaha
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on April 01, 2018, 01:12:08 AM
Dillon itís supposed to be
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on April 01, 2018, 05:07:45 AM
5 clubmates on the laois team today Iíll predict we will abs murder anyone in club champo this year...on reflection Baratheon was unreal seen the replay of the game... I wonít deny we were poor I wonít deny we looked the 2nd best team I will admit with us yes Portlaoise boys hey lads we Sudanís won nothing up the TOWN yee rest hahahahaha nite now hahaha
f**k up you Kildare p***k
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on April 01, 2018, 10:08:17 AM
Good to win a bit of silverware, we don't have many days like that and a different feeling to 86 and 03. Hopefully it stops the rot. Played the first half near perfect, tackling was sharp and a lot of turnovers. Ross made some great looping runs and we kicked points from distance which is the preceft way to deal with the blanket defence. I thought we would hit the high teens or twenty points. There were problems which became more evident in the second half, how narrow the wing backs played giving them an opportunity to get around us and our inability to win kickouts. We were lucky that Carlow are coached to death and their free taker missed so much. Certainly they had a lot more scoring chances even if some of the shots were wild. We played it nervously and in fairness Lowry came good in the end. Brody man of the match which says something in itself. Timmons brought cuteness and Dillon had a great game. Half back line especially the wings still a mess. Piggot a good defender but offers little going forward for a system that earlier in the year was based on attacking half backs. Collins whether a tactic or not hasn't the pace or size to be offering that outside and that much space to forwards. Jol battled hard along with Lillis but he were poor on lockouts. With so many forwards missing we were never going to get a return from the half forward line. Three workers but bar Farrell it would be hard to see them as starters in future. All three forwards in the top line had there moments thankfully at different times. Ross ran himself into the ground, Donie had a great first half but was really poor in the second and Lowry kicked in near the end. None of the subs offered a whole lot which probably shows the weakness of the panel. Hopefully we will have everybody back for Wexford.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on April 01, 2018, 11:15:13 AM
Does anybody know if there's a link to watch the match again online somewhere?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Esmarelda on April 01, 2018, 11:23:37 AM
Does anybody know if there's a link to watch the match again online somewhere?
TG4 player has it https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/sport-tv-player/

Click E79 on the right of the page.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on April 01, 2018, 11:55:18 AM
Good to win a bit of silverware, we don't have many days like that and a different feeling to 86 and 03. Hopefully it stops the rot. Played the first half near perfect, tackling was sharp and a lot of turnovers. Ross made some great looping runs and we kicked points from distance which is the preceft way to deal with the blanket defence. I thought we would hit the high teens or twenty points. There were problems which became more evident in the second half, how narrow the wing backs played giving them an opportunity to get around us and our inability to win kickouts. We were lucky that Carlow are coached to death and their free taker missed so much. Certainly they had a lot more scoring chances even if some of the shots were wild. We played it nervously and in fairness Lowry came good in the end. Brody man of the match which says something in itself. Timmons brought cuteness and Dillon had a great game. Half back line especially the wings still a mess. Piggot a good defender but offers little going forward for a system that earlier in the year was based on attacking half backs. Collins whether a tactic or not hasn't the pace or size to be offering that outside and that much space to forwards. Jol battled hard along with Lillis but he were poor on lockouts. With so many forwards missing we were never going to get a return from the half forward line. Three workers but bar Farrell it would be hard to see them as starters in future. All three forwards in the top line had there moments thankfully at different times. Ross ran himself into the ground, Donie had a great first half but was really poor in the second and Lowry kicked in near the end. None of the subs offered a whole lot which probably shows the weakness of the panel. Hopefully we will have everybody back for Wexford.

Always look forward to reading your observations. Would there be any value in trying Piggott at corner back and taking the shackles off Attride? And /or Fennell/Collins doing the same for Dillon. Both would be fairly attacking for their clubs i.e. Dillon and Attride. In the absence of natural corner backs like Healy, we have to develop because corner backs and big midfielders are in short supply.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laois fan on April 01, 2018, 08:31:44 PM
Granted he is a clubman of mine but think robbie pigott is getting ahard time by some here,he wad giving a job of tracking murphy whereever he went and did that very effectively ,id imagine he was prob told to forget about getting forward.Anyone who seen port last year knows he has loads of football in him
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on April 01, 2018, 09:16:35 PM
Granted he is a clubman of mine but think robbie pigott is getting ahard time by some here,he wad giving a job of tracking murphy whereever he went and did that very effectively ,id imagine he was prob told to forget about getting forward.Anyone who seen port last year knows he has loads of football in him
Piggott has a bit about him, heís raw as f**k, but thereís definitely a place for what he brings to the table. Heíll develop more under Sugrue as well if heís willing to which I have no doubt he will. Thereís a real pest in him and thatís an admirable quality. Weíve had our share of nice backs, thereís always room for a bit of rough. Iíll not hear a bad word said about him personally.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on April 01, 2018, 09:25:09 PM
Not knocking him, he had a job to do yesterday and he did it. The same with Lillis following the other murphy. It worked yesterday but sugure has placed a lot on scoring wing backs and we drew a blank here yesterday. Playing defensive teams you have to stretch them. The six backs will more than likely be the starters come the summer, there are not many other options, so it is something that will improve. Against a better team the man marking could kill us, Farrell spent a lot of time on piggots wing and with Glynn playing around the middle we invited them onto us. We were blessed that the number 12 on collins side was so limited and turned back but gannon kicked three points off the other side.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on April 01, 2018, 10:17:45 PM
Congrats to team and management for a job well done. The first half was a huge improvement from last week. The second half was more like last week. In the end, we were lucky that Broderick had a bad day.

I was surprised that Brody got the Man of the March award. I think he's one of the top goalkeepers in the country but yesterday his kickouts were not good at all (and was partly to blame for the pressure we were under in the second half). I know other players have to show for the kick out so it's not all his fault but I thought he should have been a lot smarter at times.

I thought the full-back line, for all the criticism they get, were superb. Both Dillon and Timmons were really superb. I'd agree with the other posters who are positive about Piggott - he did a huge job for us yesterday by keeping Brendan Murphy pretty much anonymous for the entire game. That was a hugely important job and he did it very well.

Generally, I'm glad that some of the younger players got their day in Croke Park. In particular, I think it was important that Lowry played. He looks like a player that isn't naturally confident so he needs all these big days. He grew into the game well yesterday and got better and better as it went on. I wish he'd be a bit quicker to lift his head and look for a pass though. Hopefully he'll learn a lot from Ross in that respect. As everyone else said, he was great throughout, which is a great credit to him.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on April 02, 2018, 02:23:28 AM
The reason we won yesterday is that there is Portlaoise players there on the field of play any time laois has been successful our lads bought into it... reality the rest of the clubs in laois are so poor dirt be honest and we are soooo good there will be no stoping the town this year and itís a fact wahooooooooooooooooooooooo ;D
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on April 02, 2018, 07:30:49 AM
The reason we won yesterday is that there is Portlaoise players there on the field of play any time laois has been successful our lads bought into it... reality the rest of the clubs in laois are so poor dirt be honest and we are soooo good there will be no stoping the town this year and itís a fact wahooooooooooooooooooooooo ;D
The sooner the better your beer money runs out.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on April 02, 2018, 08:16:27 AM
I agree with the one the hop post. I am very impressed with sugrue so far, the way he gave nurney valuable game time which will benefit him as he develops.. then bringing back in  Timmons when needed was smart & the off the pitch stuff has been perfect have listened to 90% of his interviews. On the match first half was good, second half not so great. But it's early days 7/7 you can't ask for much more. My MOM was Gareth dillon, followed by Brady,  Ross,  Timmons & Johno. Thought all players tried hard.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 02, 2018, 09:43:32 AM
Surprising myself but I thought Ross was easily man of the match consistent & clever throughout entire game.  Dillion played well too.  The rest were in and out of it. I would not run away with ourselves on this performance we are going to have to step up a level.  But unlike previous seasons we have given ourselves a platform to start from.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on April 02, 2018, 12:20:14 PM
You'll have to say a bit more than that in fairness. What happened?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on April 02, 2018, 12:36:31 PM
The reason we won yesterday is that there is Portlaoise players there on the field of play any time laois has been successful our lads bought into it... reality the rest of the clubs in laois are so poor dirt be honest and we are soooo good there will be no stoping the town this year and itís a fact wahooooooooooooooooooooooo ;D
The sooner the better your beer money runs out.
Unfortunately the free dole is paid out on a Tuesday 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on April 02, 2018, 12:44:55 PM
Unfortunately some worrying news emerging this morning one of our players was the subject of a sickening attack last night. Please god everything will be okay.
Well disturbing to hear of such an assault on a young footballer out enjoying himself. I hope heís ok.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on April 02, 2018, 01:34:44 PM
I think we've just seen the birth of a new nickname. Robert "The Mauler" Piggott  :)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on April 02, 2018, 01:36:48 PM
Piggott really seems to have got under the skin of Murphy. Complaining on Twitter about being mauled for 2 games but didnít care to mention all the mouthing he was doing himself.

Great to see a young lad having the ability to get into the head of one of the more experienced players in the country.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on April 02, 2018, 05:39:39 PM
Hope young O Reilly makes a good recovery


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 02, 2018, 07:06:18 PM
Hope young O Reilly makes a good recovery

Some Carlow lads really hate Graiguecullen and Laois when they'd go to these lengths over a game of football... sickening really.




https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/04/02/laois-man-the-victim-of-a-serious-assault-in-carlow/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on April 02, 2018, 09:03:24 PM
Iím gutted for that young Reilly chap hear is hoping he will av good recovery
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 02, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
Get well soon Dicey, dreadful news to hear.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on April 02, 2018, 09:38:52 PM
Iím gutted for that young Reilly chap hear is hoping he will av good recovery
I despise you you f**king ****. Have you no shame? p***k.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: County Man on April 02, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
A few thoughts on the league campaign.

Thought we really played as an organised team last Saturday. Super scores in first half. Dillon was outstanding in defence. Pigott is a raw, tough defender with a lot of potential. In Attride's speech,he complimented Sugrue's enthusiasm. Midfield worked well together.

Sugrue is developing a stronger panel. He has blooded a lot of new guys especially in defence- Nerney, Fennell,Holland, Pigott. Trevor Collins was involved last year and is improving this year. Timmons did well in both games against Carlow after returning. Dillon looks good in corner back. Good to see Damien O'Connor and Booth warming up with the team last weekend. Attride is a super captain. For me, Colm Begley has been immense, great experience.

Brody helps organise and instruct the defence.

In terms of midfield, Lillis and Johnno doing great. Anyone know if Brendan Quigley is due back from injury??

Forwards: Alan Farrell is a workhorse. Glynn has done well in last 2 games. Ross turning back the years, what an example to the younger fellas. Big Donie getting back to full fitness. Gary Walsh on fire throughout the league. Hopefully Evan O'Carroll recovers from injurysoon, same with Paul K who had a fine league at centre forward. Good to give Benny Carroll game time.

Daniel O'Reilly has great pace. I wish him a speedy recovery.

Eoin Lowry had a great 2nd half last Saturday. Lots to be optimistic about as we head towards championship. 6 weeks we play Wexford. We need to aim for a Leinster semi final against possibly Kildare.

Hopefully Paul Cahillane will be ready to step in soon. Guys will get back to the clubs and improve durability for championship.

Watched Armagh/Fermanagh and not much difference in standard. Longford almot got promoted from division 3 and we bet them twice last year. In terms of division 3, it would be nice to get home games v Down and Sligo- the rest are Leinster teams anyway!

Bigger crowds going to see Laois this year. LOads of youngsters in Croke Park. Good few former county players in Carlow last week. THe only game I didn't make was London but I understand it was a bit of a festival over there. The opening game against Limerick had a feel good factor about it. New era.

We beat Leitrim easily away bar a blip and showd good character v Waterford after a shaky start. Against Wicklow, it was over at half time.

Laois are on the up I feel and I can't wait for championship. Lets hope we have lots of support in championship. The players deserve it. Laois ABU
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on April 02, 2018, 10:11:23 PM
Very best wishes to Daniel O Reilly for a speedy recovery. Puts the whole thing in perspective.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on April 02, 2018, 11:47:35 PM
Don you have a lovely tongue go back and look at your posts honours English wasnít for you I reckon
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 03, 2018, 01:13:02 AM
Iím gutted for that young Reilly chap hear is hoping he will av good recovery
I despise you you f**king ****. Have you no shame? p***k.

What's the problem?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on April 03, 2018, 05:22:41 AM
Iím gutted for that young Reilly chap hear is hoping he will av good recovery
I despise you you f**king ****. Have you no shame? p***k.

What's the problem?
Not sure, Iíd say he has a form of Kildare inbreeding.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 03, 2018, 08:10:52 AM
Iím gutted for that young Reilly chap hear is hoping he will av good recovery
I despise you you f**king ****. Have you no shame? p***k.

What's the problem?
Not sure, Iíd say he has a form of Kildare inbreeding.

Lol.

Was it he named the player? Or was it his truncated syntax?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Leixlad on April 03, 2018, 08:27:39 AM
How come footballing counties celebrate like mad (and rightly so) after winning a division 2, 3 or 4 league title and yet when a tiered championship system is mentioned they are annoyed.

Post from former Kilkenny keeper David Herity on twitter.

Interesting thought. What would the feeling be here on Laois playing in a second tier comp? What re our aims now in the championship, beat couple of teams our own level and bow out graciously to a higher division team? Isnt that pointless? Why couldn't we be in a competition, div 3 & 4 teams, with a realistic ambitions of winning it? We have no chance, nor do most teams of winning Sam. Not right now anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on April 03, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
How come footballing counties celebrate like mad (and rightly so) after winning a division 2, 3 or 4 league title and yet when a tiered championship system is mentioned they are annoyed.

Post from former Kilkenny keeper David Herity on twitter.

Interesting thought. What would the feeling be here on Laois playing in a second tier comp? What re our aims now in the championship, beat couple of teams our own level and bow out graciously to a higher division team? Isnt that pointless? Why couldn't we be in a competition, div 3 & 4 teams, with a realistic ambitions of winning it? We have no chance, nor do most teams of winning Sam. Not right now anyway.
The Tommy Murphy Cup was blackguarded, it definitely had the right idea. Needs marketing, All Stars, and a big day out on All Ireland weekend. I'd not be against it, but I'd still like a crack at Leinster at the very least.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on April 03, 2018, 02:27:30 PM
Thoughts with young Danny O'Reilly who still remains in a critical condition.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 03, 2018, 02:33:31 PM
Thoughts with young Danny O'Reilly who still remains in a critical condition.

Likewise I really hope he recovers fully and quickly and that whoever is at fault is punished.

Just one small point, media is reporting that his condition is serious rather than critical. They are quite different. Sorry for being pedantic as I know that wasn't the purpose of your post.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on April 03, 2018, 02:44:24 PM
Hopefully they catch whoever did it. I wish him a full recovery.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on April 03, 2018, 03:18:20 PM
Part of me is wondering if this is part of the fall out from Saturday. I really hope not because this is on a different level. Best wishes to the lad for a speedy recovery. As someone said, it puts it all into perspective.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on April 03, 2018, 03:33:06 PM
Thoughts with young Danny O'Reilly who still remains in a critical condition.

Likewise I really hope he recovers fully and quickly and that whoever is at fault is punished.

Just one small point, media is reporting that his condition is serious rather than critical. They are quite different. Sorry for being pedantic as I know that wasn't the purpose of your post.

I'm nearly sure he was reported as being in critical condition on the News at 1. I understand your point though!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 03, 2018, 05:43:47 PM
Part of me is wondering if this is part of the fall out from Saturday. I really hope not because this is on a different level. Best wishes to the lad for a speedy recovery. As someone said, it puts it all into perspective.

Seems like it is part of the fall out from Saturday according to this facebook post from Dublin GAA Fans page.

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FDubsGAAFans%2Fposts%2F2096847090562474
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on April 03, 2018, 05:51:53 PM
Disgusting stuff. A lad in serious condition in hospital over that.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on April 03, 2018, 06:41:56 PM
Disgusting stuff. A lad in serious condition in hospital over that.

Life changing stuff for both parties involved. At a time like this, it annoys me that a lad can't own his actions. Big fella in front of his mates, probably fuelled up by God knows what, and now he hides like a coward. It isn't what's important here, but I agree Tony, Dicey didn't rob him or anything serious. He plays for Laois. I hope this lad is caught and punished and that first and foremost, Dicey recovers. A sickener.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on April 03, 2018, 08:16:48 PM
Best wishes Danny get well soon
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on April 03, 2018, 08:26:20 PM
Life changing stuff for both parties involved. At a time like this, it annoys me that a lad can't own his actions. Big fella in front of his mates, probably fuelled up by God knows what, and now he hides like a coward. It isn't what's important here, but I agree Tony, Dicey didn't rob him or anything serious. He plays for Laois. I hope this lad is caught and punished and that first and foremost, Dicey recovers. A sickener.
Well said. Let's hope he makes a full recovery. Sport is put into perspective when one of the lad's health and livelihood is put on the line like that. All of our thoughts and prayers must go to Danny at this time. And to the f**ker who causes it, justice will come, too.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 04, 2018, 02:57:30 AM
Arrest made following assault of Laois footballer in Carlow

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/04/03/arrest-made-following-assault-of-laois-footballer-in-carlow/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 10:21:57 AM
Hope the news is better for young O'Reilly this morning


Just to lighten the mood a little here is my thoughts on Saturday and my ratings

Again its only an opinion and I have nothing but respect for these lads who have done everything that has been asked of them this year.



Laois 0-15 Carlow 0-11

Brody 9 -Got the TNaG man of the match and was certainly in the running one or two stray kickouts buts Carlow had learned from last Sunday and pushed up men with Lillis and O'Loughlin not fielding too well that made it hard.He made one crucial stop and was solid under the high ball he started a lot of attacks for Laois.

Attride 8-Another fine performance form the Laois captain he is one of our best tacklers and kept his man quiet did have one lapse with a pass but solid and gives 110% to the jersey every time.

Timmons 8.5-He must have been close to the man of the match and over the two games he has come back he has probably been Laois's best overall player against Carlow.His block was superb to stop Murphy and his all around composure etc just brings such a calmness to the full back line.

Dillon 9-His best game in a Laois shirt maybe in any shirt he was superb throughout and his tackling was well timed he supported well and just did the simple things  with the ball when going forward.Delighted for him because he works so hard.

Collins 6.5-A little bit loose with his man scoring three points from play he has pace but I'm not sure the half back role suits him.He is a willing worker and does a lot of running off the ball that would go unnoticed to the normal eye.

Begley 7.5-Solid held the position well but was rolled in the tackle a few times which didn't happen in Carlow that saying both Murphys are hard to stop when they run at you.Was composed as always on the ball and has made this position his own.

Pigott 7.5-Did a great job on Brendan Murphy which the big Carlow man didn't like he is a tenacious defender who is not afraid to mix it.Needs to improve his attacking and passing going forward to allow Laois good possession in the half forward line.

O'Loughlin 8-I thought he was just okay after being at the match but watching it back on Tv he had a fine game and got through some mighty work.Not his best day fielding kickout's by any means but not as easy to get free without big fielders like Meaney and Quigley beside you.

Lillis 7.5-Kicked a lovely score but not as effective as in Dr Cullen park and was beaten on a few kickouts from both keepers.Very composed on the ball though he did give away one silly possession in the first half it came back to him and he kicked a wonderful point.Good solid player who won't let you down.

Farrell 7.5 Got through a lot of work and covered more ground in Croker than anyone Saturday scored a terrific point before the break and stopped the Carlow left half back getting into the game .Seems to know his role and must be a managers dream.

Carroll 7-Composed on the ball and did nothing wrong in possession in the first half was beaten for a few balls he might have got to but did well on his first outing on the hallow sod of Croker , his emergence in the team has certainly given Sugure options .He will only get better. Defo has talent.

Glynn 7-Steady as she goes as we say in Laois he does a job for the team and was controlled on the ball.Offers another option in terms of bulk and size which the team lacks in the forwards.Needs to add a bit more going forward and making runs off the shoulder to support the lads coming forward.

Munnelly 9-Another man in line for man of the match him and Dillion were certainly Laois's best players in the first half and altough the legs gave way a little in the second half he was still making great runs.He rolled back the years and what an example he is to any young players for Laois.

Lowry 7.5 -Lost a lot of possession in the first half but was always showing for the ball once he found his feet with that super free from distance he was a different player scored two fine points including the score of the second half to secure Laois's victory can be proud of his efforts.

Kingston 8.5-Three super points from play in the first half one with the outside of the boot from distance was made to look easy but does that surprise ya?Always steps up on the big days and I'd say he is glad to be back.Can only get better for Laois in the season going forward.

O'Reilly 6.5-Not much happened for the Graigue man and his looked nervous when he first came in it didn't stop him from trying and made one great run late on in the game his pace added to Laois closing out the game with Carlow tiring he had a very good league campaign.

Strong 7- composed on the ball probably should have had a least one point which is unlike him as in them positions he can usually pop a ball over the lat.He looks hungry which can only be a good thing for the panel going forward.

Conway6.5-Was busy when he came in making a few great runs and certainly upsetting the carlow back line .good option to have going forward.

unfair to mark Donoher  J Farrell and Crowley as they were on a bit late to get in to proceedings but they added to Laois getting over the line.



Thats my out look on the game it was all set up for Laois to loose and Carlow had nothing to loose as such.

With what went on in the media not helping preparations it certainly was a professional performance if you can say that in a game where these lads give their time for free to play for their county.

I heard there was a buzz back in a certain Portlaoise pub on Saturday night that is good to hear with all the lads there together.

There will be people who run it down as we tend to do in this county but it is what it is promotion with a bit of style and a fine performance in Croke park to take the team forward.It was great to see so many youngsters there with flags experiencing what its like to win with your county!

I think Sugure has something about him and certainly the players seem to buy into him.

With Paul Kingston Gary Walsh(congrats on being the top scorer in the country) Evan O'Carroll to come back it open up options for him in the forward line.

I'm not so sure with Cahillane and Quigley at the moment but Booth is there to come into the back line and there is other lads who are hungry to get a piece of the pie.

The future looks bright for the team this year anyway.


All thoughts go to young O'Reilly now I hope he makes a full recovery and it puts all this into perspective when something like this happens.




Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 04, 2018, 05:29:45 PM
Great review Unlaoished, hard to disagree with any of that.
 
Brody is a great keeper and we're lucky to have him but he really will have to have more options on the kickout. Not sure if that's down to him or the instructions he's getting but a better team would have put us in a lot of trouble during that 5 minute spell near the end when Carlow won every kickout that he was sending down the middle.

Surely common sense would kick in at some stage and you would try to find someone closer to you or out on the wings to kick it to I'm not laying the blame totally on him as he did go short a few times and we almost got caught in possession. It's definitely one area we will have to work on as a better team could wipe you out in those few minutes.

Two people have now been arrested in the Danny O'Reilly case so hopefully someone will pay for that despicable act soon. God be with you Danny and hope you recover soon.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on April 04, 2018, 05:50:30 PM
Does anyone know if he's out of danger yet? Apparently the first 72 hours are critical in a case like this.

Fingers crossed that he'll come out on the right side of it without any lasting damage. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on April 04, 2018, 07:07:34 PM

Fingers crossed that he'll come out on the right side of it without any lasting damage.

With the help of God we'll see him back in the Green and Red and the Blue and White soon!

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on April 04, 2018, 07:15:15 PM
I have to say I agree with Ciaran Whelan here......

http://www.hoganstand.com/Carlow/Article/Index/283409

Look how competitive and enjoyable the league is in comparison to the outdated provincial system.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 05, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
Does anyone know if he's out of danger yet? Apparently the first 72 hours are critical in a case like this.

Fingers crossed that he'll come out on the right side of it without any lasting damage.

Just saw this on Facebook.
 
He came out of the coma last night for a while and spoke to his family..
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hopefully-it-will-be-onwards-and-upwards-gaa-player-injured-in-serious-assault-wakes-up-from-coma-36773269.html

BREAKING: Two men charged following assault of Laois footballer. They will appear before Carlow District Court at 10.30am tomorrow morning the 5th April 2018
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/04/04/breaking-two-men-charged-following-assault-of-laois-footballer/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on April 05, 2018, 08:51:15 AM
Thanks for the update Junior. Good to get some good news on this.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on April 05, 2018, 11:12:29 AM

Just saw this on Facebook.
 
He came out of the coma last night for a while and spoke to his family..
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hopefully-it-will-be-onwards-and-upwards-gaa-player-injured-in-serious-assault-wakes-up-from-coma-36773269.html


Good news
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on April 05, 2018, 12:42:47 PM
The two boyo's who carried out the assault have been named.

The youngest one looks like he's into kickboxing or MMA from his facebook page. Very easy to use that on the street when you're trained in it every week.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on April 05, 2018, 03:31:12 PM
They both look like pure scumbags. I hope they're given a good sentence by the courts - they could easily have killed him. Really hoping Danny makes a 100% recovery.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 05, 2018, 04:09:27 PM
The two boyo's who carried out the assault have been named.

The youngest one looks like he's into kickboxing or MMA from his facebook page. Very easy to use that on the street when you're trained in it every week.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/04/05/two-men-charged-with-assault-of-laois-footballer-released-on-bail/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on April 05, 2018, 09:59:12 PM
Scumbags .. hopefully they get a long stretch .. very encouraging news about Danny..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 05, 2018, 11:18:17 PM
Scumbags .. hopefully they get a long stretch .. very encouraging news about Danny..

Family Ďover the mooní as OíReilly takes major step forward in recovery





https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/04/05/family-over-the-moon-as-oreilly-takes-major-step-forward-in-recovery/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on April 06, 2018, 09:27:40 AM
Ohhh Two right Cowboys Especailly the younger lad according to a guard I know in Carlow he is always in bother with the law...They would want to be watching their backs now!!

Main thing is Danny is making great progress and the bleed on the brain has stopped.


The players are not training this week to quote the manager I've given them a week off to get out of each other's hair and train with their respectful clubs!

All county players are available for their club teams this weekend...

Should create a big of interest especially in the Portlaaoise v Ballylinan game where you could potentially have 9 lads playing from the Laois panel!