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Title: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on October 14, 2017, 11:40:53 PM
Laois will be operating out of Division 4 in 2018 and here are all the fixtures.

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/10/13/laois-face-face-trip-london-2018-national-football-league/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on October 14, 2017, 11:56:07 PM
Best of luck to john and his backroom staff ( heard today one more was added lad from somewhere in munster ). The rebuilding begins in Ernest ill be positive and back these lads lots of work to do but i think they are all up for it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on October 15, 2017, 12:53:10 AM
Well I'll be hopeing for promotion we are def good enough and I'm sure john will prevail
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on October 15, 2017, 09:58:56 AM
Any new players stand out from the club championship?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on October 15, 2017, 11:15:48 AM
I could see the two murphys from portarlington getting a call up tommy kehoe from o dempseys. Get a bit of fresh blood in shake the "established" lads up. Bit of in house competition is always healthy
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on October 15, 2017, 02:28:18 PM
It'd be great to see us back in Croke Park with a League Final at least. In a way it's a great opportunity for John as the only way is up, really. It'd be very great news to welcome Cahir back and maybe a couple other Ploaise lads. Other than that, a few pacey new faces. We won't have a golden generation of squad for 2018 but I can easily see us do well in Div 4 and maybe blood some new players. That's all we can really hope for in 2018 but let's hope it's a far better setup compared with our last few  ::)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 01, 2017, 12:30:56 AM
League begins in January as GAA unveil 2018 fixture list

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/1031/916492-league-opens-in-january-as-gaa-unveil-2018-fixture-lis/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on November 01, 2017, 10:12:27 AM
Club Laois still going? Even though its division 4 games they should try Mark at home games to get a crowd. Some attractive away fixtures for fans with London and Carrick being the stand outs.

Any word on who was called in for trial games? 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on November 01, 2017, 03:50:55 PM
is there a trial game tonight?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on November 01, 2017, 10:59:16 PM
Yeah, they had trials last Wednesday + Saturday too. Not sure who's in there.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on November 02, 2017, 12:11:25 PM
I travelled in to take a quick look but had to go as the ball was being thrown in to be honest

Seemed good numbers 27-28guys,very active warm up Stack doing the shouting mostly and trialists looking fairly fit
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: South Laois man on November 09, 2017, 12:25:41 PM
Any news on any players dropping off the panel or new players been looked at?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: clonadmad on November 10, 2017, 08:05:15 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/11/10/massive-blow-laois-footballers-kingston-opts/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 10, 2017, 08:09:35 AM
Bit of an unfair blow to sugrue and his backroom team with so many of the top player's opting out so far donie conor Meredith and robbie keogh i expect as with most years there will be little involvement from the town.
Just cause there has been a bad few years with bad manager's that should not to taken out on sugrue.
Hopefully the lads that go in will be given a chance by the supporters as the uphill battle has just got harder.
Crazy county we live in when you cant pick your top players
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 10, 2017, 09:13:30 AM
Division 4 will test players attitude and really separate the guys who really have the county's interests at heart and those who are there just for the crack. It takes real commitment from lads to play division football as the only thing to be gained is the counties pride.

Well done to the lads who do commit, they are real Laoismen and we won't forget that. Very disappointed with Donie...
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 09:36:16 AM
First sign of a proper trainer with a decent bit of commitment required, and the liferafts are pushed out. Sad to see.

Best of luck to those who commit.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on November 10, 2017, 09:59:01 AM
Can't believe that Donie would go down this route when whats required is our top players standing up ,shoulder to the wheel ,showing the potential new kids top commitment

Bad start and bit of a let down
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2017, 11:12:51 AM
These same players that people are criticising have been messed about for 5 years, every manager that has come has been a false dawn.  Sugrue is probably moving a bit quick, at the moment playing for Laois is not what everyone dreams of doing.  I am sure a few good results and maybe a little less tough talk and fellas will come back on board.  I was very much in favour of going with a younger team because a lot of the older boys are carrying scars of previous regimes ineptitude.  If I was the current management I would not issue any ultimatums and see if we can get them back on board at a later date.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 11:19:56 AM
These same players that people are criticising have been messed about for 5 years, every manager that has come has been a false dawn.  Sugrue is probably moving a bit quick, at the moment playing for Laois is not what everyone dreams of doing.  I am sure a few good results and maybe a little less tough talk and fellas will come back on board.  I was very much in favour of going with a younger team because a lot of the older boys are carrying scars of previous regimes ineptitude.  If I was the current management I would not issue any ultimatums and see if we can get them back on board at a later date.
Less tough talk? What tough talk has he made?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: clonadmad on November 10, 2017, 11:30:47 AM
New Season
New Management
New Start


Not yet December and our talisman forward wont commit,so much for all the talk of walking out of Division 4 and giving Kildare a game in Leinster in 2018.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 11:32:13 AM
New Season
New Management
New Start


Not yet December and our talisman forward wont commit,so much for all the talk of walking out of Division 4 and giving Kildare a game in Leinster in 2018.
I think we'll beat Kildare by a point a man come the Leinster semi final.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2017, 12:09:35 PM
Not just in Laois, but in every county like us, this has to be expected. It's gone beyond the point of being an amateur sport that lads play in their spare time. Even at club level. The demands are too great and this is the price that counties like us can expect to pay. It's not worth it. It's not enjoyable any more and I can't expect lads to slavishly commit to a cause like ours year after year. Donie owes us nothing. Maybe he will enjoy the basketball a little bit more and good luck to him
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
Not just in Laois, but in every county like us, this has to be expected. It's gone beyond the point of being an amateur sport that lads play in their spare time. Even at club level. The demands are too great and this is the price that counties like us can expect to pay. It's not worth it. It's not enjoyable any more and I can't expect lads to slavishly commit to a cause like ours year after year. Donie owes us nothing. Maybe he will enjoy the basketball a little bit more and good luck to him
Sorry, but no. Not on this occasion. After 5 years of incredible shite, a proper coach and manager are in place. His career has been a story of gigantic unfulfilled talent. Donie owes us nothing. He owes his talent quite a lot.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: seafoid on November 10, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
These same players that people are criticising have been messed about for 5 years, every manager that has come has been a false dawn.  Sugrue is probably moving a bit quick, at the moment playing for Laois is not what everyone dreams of doing.  I am sure a few good results and maybe a little less tough talk and fellas will come back on board.  I was very much in favour of going with a younger team because a lot of the older boys are carrying scars of previous regimes ineptitude.  If I was the current management I would not issue any ultimatums and see if we can get them back on board at a later date.
It might be too late for some of them. Galway hurlers had a long period of mediocrity and managers who promised much without delivering. In 2011 a new management team was appointed. They took a hatchet to the stars and picked 22 under 21s out of a panel of 37. 6 years later Galway  won the all Ireland.  The psychological damage done by years of mediocrity shouldn't be underestimated.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
Not just in Laois, but in every county like us, this has to be expected. It's gone beyond the point of being an amateur sport that lads play in their spare time. Even at club level. The demands are too great and this is the price that counties like us can expect to pay. It's not worth it. It's not enjoyable any more and I can't expect lads to slavishly commit to a cause like ours year after year. Donie owes us nothing. Maybe he will enjoy the basketball a little bit more and good luck to him
Sorry, but no. Not on this occasion. After 5 years of incredible shite, a proper coach and manager are in place. His career has been a story of gigantic unfulfilled talent. Donie owes us nothing. He owes his talent quite a lot.

And that's the point. He'll never realise his potential in Laois. There's nothing (relatively speaking) to play for. I think he'll be back but I don't blame him for taking a break from it. It's an opportunity for others to step up too. Some of them, maybe all of them, have been in his shadow for a long time
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2017, 01:12:54 PM
Personally I am not sure we need to crack any eggs sometimes an Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove works better than taking a sledge hammer to things.  I would rather be talking to Donie and hopefully convincing him of a return.  I really don't get why Laois footballs internal problems need to be in both National & Local Media for every single issue. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 10, 2017, 01:14:50 PM
These same players that people are criticising have been messed about for 5 years, every manager that has come has been a false dawn.  Sugrue is probably moving a bit quick, at the moment playing for Laois is not what everyone dreams of doing.  I am sure a few good results and maybe a little less tough talk and fellas will come back on board.  I was very much in favour of going with a younger team because a lot of the older boys are carrying scars of previous regimes ineptitude.  If I was the current management I would not issue any ultimatums and see if we can get them back on board at a later date.
It might be too late for some of them. Galway hurlers had a long period of mediocrity and managers who promised much without delivering. In 2011 a new management team was appointed. They took a hatchet to the stars and picked 22 under 21s out of a panel of 37. 6 years later Galway  won the all Ireland.  The psychological damage done by years of mediocrity shouldn't be underestimated.

Agree unfortunately we do not have Galways U21's
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 10, 2017, 01:32:19 PM
While I'm disappointed with the decision, I'm not disappointed with Donie himself as he's given a lot to Laois and has put up with a lot, too, with poor setups etc. It's just a pity that this year it looks like we will have our best setup since McNulty, but our best player wont be playing. We can perhaps handle not having Donie for the League campaign as we might still have enough for promotion. But we'll badly need him for championship if we've any hopes of a leinster semi final, so I hope he does come back in the new year at some point. Having Paul Kingston there is a bonus. Let's just hope the setup is as good as we're hoping it will be, and that somehow our top performers will opt in. Having said all that, you can't be disappointed with the players themselves if they decide not to commit. It really is like a full-time job to be an inter county player these days and players have lives, families and jobs too. In my opinion, the commitment the inter county players give across the country without any payment is unsustainable, especially for counties like us that don't see much success. That's a matter for another day though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 10, 2017, 01:47:20 PM
Personally I am not sure we need to crack any eggs sometimes an Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove works better than taking a sledge hammer to things.  I would rather be talking to Donie and hopefully convincing him of a return.  I really don't get why Laois footballs internal problems need to be in both National & Local Media for every single issue.

Reading the independent article john surgrue said the door was open. Lets fact check as this is how mob mentality grabs at false or badly constructed comments
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2017, 01:56:05 PM
I have no doubt he'll be back. My concern will be, in what condition.

Anyway, we move on.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2017, 02:04:42 PM
While I'm disappointed with the decision, I'm not disappointed with Donie himself as he's given a lot to Laois and has put up with a lot, too, with poor setups etc. It's just a pity that this year it looks like we will have our best setup since McNulty, but our best player wont be playing. We can perhaps handle not having Donie for the League campaign as we might still have enough for promotion. But we'll badly need him for championship if we've any hopes of a leinster semi final, so I hope he does come back in the new year at some point. Having Paul Kingston there is a bonus. Let's just hope the setup is as good as we're hoping it will be, and that somehow our top performers will opt in. Having said all that, you can't be disappointed with the players themselves if they decide not to commit. It really is like a full-time job to be an inter county player these days and players have lives, families and jobs too. In my opinion, the commitment the inter county players give across the country without any payment is unsustainable, especially for counties like us that don't see much success. That's a matter for another day though.

Spot on. Great post. This goes a lot deeper than Donie Kingston. Offaly are without Graham Guilfoyle for the year because of a new job. A big loss for them. Choices have to be made in counties like Laois and Offaly. Job/Family/Commuting/personal financial situation etc v representing your county. I'm  surprised at times at the number who actually bother. The GAA are in cuckoo land if they think this will be a good model for future wellbeing.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: clonadmad on November 10, 2017, 03:32:25 PM
New Season
New Management
New Start


Not yet December and our talisman forward wont commit,so much for all the talk of walking out of Division 4 and giving Kildare a game in Leinster in 2018.
I think we'll beat Kildare by a point a man come the Leinster semi final.

I'll have some of what that man is having,Nurse
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Nameless on November 10, 2017, 03:53:47 PM
Massive loss but if he's not in now he shouldn't be allowed in later. We all know it takes a massive effort and huge commitment at this level so you can't just come in after the league and hope to be in the right condition. It's just not possible anymore. We can't complain if lads want to do other things or take a break, it's worse if they join up and are not 100% committed.
I'm hoping Sugrue will actually be strict on this. We've had lads dropping in and out for the past few years and they're just not prepared. Also if lads join up and they're caught drinking every weekend or not putting it in then they should be kicked off the panel. It doesn't matter what their names are.
We've let an awful attitude develop within the squad and it's why we are where we are. As I said, we can't complain about lads deciding it's not for them this year but we can complain if we're spending a lot of money following them and they're unfit and way off the pace because of personal choices.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on November 10, 2017, 04:53:48 PM
Its a pity he cannot/wont commit. I have my suspicions on whats really going on but thats his own business and his own decision. Ill still be heading up to Carrick, Ruislip Netwatch Cullen park and where ever else we have to go to watch players who really want to play for laois and who dont whinge or throw dodies from their prams.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 10, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
Well said Monument Road, totally agree with that. At least we'll have Zack back at some stage...

http://www.hoganstand.com/Laois/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=277926&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on November 12, 2017, 07:32:50 PM
I dont think its such a bad thing donie leaving .. hes carried the team for years .. he prob just not enjoying it anymore
He needs a break .. let sugrue develop a young team without the temptation of having to get it to donie every single time. I dont care if ythe older crew dont commit .. time for a new start .. were rock bottom now so weve nothing to lose .. donie will hopefully come back next year .. refreshed into an improving setup .. its gonna be a long journey back

The future of small counties being competitive anymore .. hard to know where to even start .. id lkke to bite the bullet and see a two tier competition come in asap ..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 12, 2017, 08:24:15 PM
I dont think its such a bad thing donie leaving .. ............................... let sugrue develop a young team without the temptation of having to get it to donie every single time.

I think there is something in this. I would be thinking along the same lines. Our better performances and results over the last 4 or 5 years have generally come against middle of the road teams when Donie has been on fire. In Division 4 simply "Kicking it in to Donie" will work 80% of the time. It won't work against Kildare (if we get there).

In a perverse way, this might force our hand into STICKING with a more rounded game plan if things are not going perfectly from game to game in the league. And this is the way to go in the long term.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 12, 2017, 08:37:38 PM
Its a pity he cannot/wont commit. I have my suspicions on whats really going on but thats his own business and his own decision.
It’s almost like you’re transfer ing your emotions onto this forum.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on November 12, 2017, 09:04:13 PM
Its a pity he cannot/wont commit. I have my suspicions on whats really going on but thats his own business and his own decision.
It’s almost like you’re transfer ing your emotions onto this forum.
Old Laughlin "basketball"....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 12, 2017, 10:31:20 PM
While it is hearalded that we have the return of the old guard  (all great players for Laois in their prime).  This is a waste of time,  I know I will be hammered but unfortunately if Laois are to go forward these players will have to be dispensed with.  I will add they will never retire themselves and it will be ugly and that will never take from their legacy or commitment.  But for Laois it is time to move on

Would not think Donie is Old Guard Yet
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on November 12, 2017, 10:54:30 PM
While it is hearalded that we have the return of the old guard  (all great players for Laois in their prime).  This is a waste of time,  I know I will be hammered but unfortunately if Laois are to go forward these players will have to be dispensed with.  I will add they will never retire themselves and it will be ugly and that will never take from their legacy or commitment.  But for Laois it is time to move on

Would not think Donie is Old Guard Yet
You can't throw a bunch of new chaps out there without a few experience heads to help them.
I'd be loath to get rid of the 30 to 32 age group like Quigley, Begley, Strong, Donoher, Meaney, Conway, Timmons.
It would leave too many gaps in an already thin squad.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 14, 2017, 04:28:57 PM
Great to see the proud Laois players who have committed again this year, especially Ross. He is a credit to himself, his family and his club as are all the others who have given so much to the county.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/11/14/munnelly-commits-16th-season-laois-footballers/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 14, 2017, 06:46:38 PM
Hopefully I will be proved wrong but going with older players is not serving us well.  This same argument was thrashed out last year.  I am not questioning their commitment or legacy.  Just going forward what is there to gain from it a couple of wins early in the league before finding out that the legs are not what they were once the ground Firms up.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 14, 2017, 07:13:13 PM
Hopefully I will be proved wrong but going with older players is not serving us well.  This same argument was thrashed out last year.  I am not questioning their commitment or IM.  Just going forward what is there to gain from it a couple of wins early in the league before finding out that the legs are not what they were once the ground Firms up.
These lads are stepping up and given another year of serious commitment they are needed to bring on the younger player's. Name the lads to replace them there isn't exactly an abundance of talent out there but whatever there is im sure sugrue and his team have seen them with the 70 or so player's looked at over the trials the past month.
Lets actually get behind the team and management and not try racking up passive i told you so points
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 14, 2017, 10:31:40 PM
Look I hope I am wrong,  I like Sugrue as I feel it's a step in the right direction,  I just fail to see how we can improve in any major way, wIth pretty much the same personnel.  What ever the ability,  I think physiologically we are scarred beyond repair.   Maybe I want too much too fast.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 14, 2017, 11:05:59 PM
Look I hope I am wrong,  I like Sugrue as I feel it's a step in the right direction,  I just fail to see how we can improve in any major way, wIth pretty much the same personnel.  What ever the ability,  I think physiologically we are scarred beyond repair.   Maybe I want too much too fast.
Scarred beyond repair christ on a bike.
Every county go through a dark patch we are in  ours lets be positive and get through it. You must be great craic to have a  cup of tea with. Cheer up eoin Kearns a club man of yours is in there very positive fella.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 10:58:05 AM
Only my point of view,  there will be a million others who differ.   If we were all right all of the time the world would be a very boring place.  You seem very bullish on the set up, you either have a good line inside or are involved.  I wish you all in there the very best of luck.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 15, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
Only my point of view,  there will be a million others who differ.   If we were all right all of the time the world would be a very boring place.  You seem very bullish on the set up, you either have a good line inside or are involved.  I wish you all in there the very best of luck.
Im bullish as its a constant wave of negativity from the same old few on this forum and its tedious at this stage.
Im far from involved in the set up any info i have is common knowledge. The set up looks good no one is suffering from PTSD as your dramatic portrayal tries to paint.
Smile it doesn't hurt
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 15, 2017, 11:39:02 AM
Both viewpoints make sense but just let it pan out lads. I'm grateful to those who want to go in and give it a go. It's not an attractive proposition by any means, but an opportunity exists at such a low level to win something. f**k it I'd take anything at this stage.....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 15, 2017, 12:46:29 PM
I respect your opinion Ballyroan but to leave the likes of Timmons, Quigley, Conway, O Loughlin and all out would be ridiculous. We're not Kerry with an amazing underage coming up. That's not to say that we should only have the older players. Of course we should blood more younger talent if we can. That's just the common sense of it. It would be the worst decision to just leave those experienced players out when they're ready to commit and give their all hopefully. Not sure why it's up for debate really.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 04:27:23 PM
Our target this year is to get promotion out of Div 4, and have a promising run in the Leinster/Qualifiers.  Kerrys is to win an All Ireland,  I see where a lot of you are coming from and logically you make sense in the short term.  However I think we are in Sunderland mode that if we continue with the same personnel we will get the same results.  I just think Div 4 is a great place to be brave.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Give and Go on November 15, 2017, 06:06:03 PM
The internet is the curse of the modern age!
And I'm as guilty as anyone before I start!
Everyone has an opinion these days and it must be heard regardless of how offensive it is.

Martin O Neill and the the Irish Team are getting it in the neck now after losing heavily last night. Laois footballers have been subject to it constantly on social media since 2003.....that was the sixth title since the start of the GAA!!

We need to stop this constant barrage of criticism of players, coaches, officials and either support them or stay away and keep mouths shut and keyboards quiet!

It ain't right the way society has gone - all this 'opinion' is very hurtful and damaging to those involved. Paying an admission fee into a game doesn't bestow this entitlement to abuse and insult the voluntary efforts of Gaels in all our clubs and counties.

Best wishes to the team and management in 2018.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 15, 2017, 06:08:57 PM
There's brave and there's stupid.

Brave would be to debutise plenty of new blood mixed in with more experienced crew over the coming few years and gredually phase out the old guard.

Stupid would be to omit your top performers and most experienced who are willing to give it their all for the year.

Sorry but i still don't get your idea at all. If we let go of the likes of Timmons, Quigley, Donagher, Healy, John O' Loughlin, etc just because they're slightly over their top peak, we'll be planted in division 4 for years to come. I don't get this all or nothing idea. Clearly the smart thing to do is to blood new talent and retain the experienced players until they A: they retire or B: are not offering as much as the younger players. Unfortunately for us, nearly all of the younger players have a lot more developing to do.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 15, 2017, 06:26:34 PM
Imagine John O' Loughlin, one of Laois' best servants over the last 10+ years sent a text to John Sugrue "Looking forward to having a good go in 2018, glad you're the manager."

John Sugrue : "Sorry John, we're actually just playing with younger players this year."

I'd get your point Ballyroan if people were saying bring back Padraig Clancy at age 38 or whatever he is. But these lads around 29 to 31 have plenty of good years left in them. If we're looking at a 3 to 5 year plan, the likes of JOL, Healy etc have a a large part to play in that. Ideally the younger lads will make an impression in that time too. one does not exclude the other.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on November 15, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
Regardless of age it's up to John Sugrue and his management team to try get the best players in Laois to play and come up with a system to get the best out of them.

Using Ross as an example I saw a good lot of the club championship and he was one of the best forwards in the county. It's up to the younger lads in the county to step up, put pressure on the 'older lads' and give Surgue a welcome headache.

Has an u20 manager been sorted?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 07:19:06 PM
Tony your naming the players I was specifically general in this statement and every theory is open to examination you could be right on some players and wrong on others. 

Give & Go i don't think anyone was insulted
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on November 15, 2017, 08:03:01 PM
Fair enough Ballyroan.

Give and Go, not sure what you're posing about there. 99% of posts here are in good spirits and we're just talking about the sport we love. A couple of lads overstep the mark very occasionally. otherwise, the forum is very well meaning.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Give and Go on November 15, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
I suppose I am also referring to our habit of second guessing managers and players; engaging in constant speculation about decisions and motivations - more often than not done without factual basis. Here we are on about players he will or will not be including when in fact we have no idea what the management are thinking because they haven't made a public statement! Sometimes we are better to say nowt and stop adding to the swirl of rumour and innuendo that wafts around every county set up in the country!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 09:48:58 PM
Thats fair enough Give & Go, but I don't think we would have a forum if we did not have opinions. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on November 15, 2017, 10:15:28 PM
I would agree that no player should be discriminated against on the basis of his birth cert and I would be amazed if that turned out to be the case.

On the other hand, I really hope that the new management starts from the position that reputations are entirely irrelevant and if a young lad looks like he's doing better than the lad with the reputation, he's given his chance. Our best players last year included Alan Farrell and Eoin Buggie, neither of whom would have been given much credit when they came into the setup. Young lads like Evan O Carroll and Tom Shiel came into the squad under McNulty and did very well. Stephen Attride, who has become a very nice footballer, wasn't one of the big names when he came into the setup. I really hope that the best players are chosen regardless of their profile or reputation.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 15, 2017, 10:31:40 PM
I would agree that no player should be discriminated against on the basis of his birth cert and I would be amazed if that turned out to be the case.

On the other hand, I really hope that the new management starts from the position that reputations are entirely irrelevant and if a young lad looks like he's doing better than the lad with the reputation, he's given his chance. Our best players last year included Alan Farrell and Eoin Buggie, neither of whom would have been given much credit when they came into the setup. Young lads like Evan O Carroll and Tom Shiel came into the squad under McNulty and did very well. Stephen Attride, who has become a very nice footballer, wasn't one of the big names when he came into the setup. I really hope that the best players are chosen regardless of their profile or reputation.


Well said Giovanni, a more balanced post than mine.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on November 15, 2017, 11:51:25 PM
losing the coin toss for the home venue for the first round of the leinster championship adds to the difficult year ahead....wexford park now becomes a very serious test.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on November 16, 2017, 12:09:52 AM
Venues confirmed for 2018 Leinster SFC ties
15 November 2017

O'Moore Park, Portlaoise.
O'Moore Park will play host to a Leinster SFC first round double-bill next year after the venues for a number of games were confirmed this evening.

After enjoying their best championship run in 73 years last summer, Carlow face Louth at the Laois county grounds which will also see the meeting of Offaly versus Wicklow on the same day.

In the other first round tie, Wexford have been awarded home advantage against Laois after winning a coin toss and so this clash will take place at Wexford Park.

Meanwhile, Longford will be at home in Pearse Park for their quarter-final encounter with Meath. It's a rare home draw for the midlanders in the provincial series but one that is 'subject to redevelopment work being satisfactorily completed'. If the redevelopment work at Pearse Park is not ready in time, then the game will be moved to Navan.

Dates and times for the games will be decided in due course.


Leinster SFC first round
Carlow v Louth, O'Moore Park
Offaly v Wicklow, O'Moore Park
Wexford v Laois, Innovate Wexford Park

Leinter SFC quarter-final
Longford v Meath, Pearse Par
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on November 16, 2017, 12:11:55 AM
The 2018 O'Byrne Cup draw has been made with holders Dublin being grouped alongside Offaly and Wexford.

Under the stewardship of Paul Clarke, the All-Ireland champions called on their reserves for this year's competition and ran out convincing winners when beating Louth in the final - 2-16 to 1-10.

They will have a bye in the opening round of the upcoming pre-season competition which will take on Saturday, 30 December.


2018 O'Byrne Cup draw:

Group 1
Dublin
Offaly
Wexford

Group 2
Kildare
Louth
Longford

Group 3
Meath
Carlow
Wicklow

Group 4
Westmeath
Laois

Dates: Dec 30, Jan 3, Jan 7. Semi-finals Jan 13/14. Final Jan 20/21.

Opening Fixtures: Offaly v Wexford, Louth v Longford, Wicklow v Carlow, Westmeath v Laois.

Format: Round robin with first placed team advancing to semi-finals. Westmeath and Laois play each other home and away with aggregate score deciding who tops Group 4.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on November 16, 2017, 10:18:11 AM
I heard after Donie got sent off v Port he made his mind up he was not playing for Laois in 2018

How true that is I don't know.

He is a massive loss but I think the door should be left open.

Hopefully him and John can come to some agreement .

Wexford away is now a tougher task .Even in the good times we have only won there by the skin of our teeth.

The O'Byrne cup playing Westmeath twice is a joke.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on November 16, 2017, 10:22:51 AM
A bit better news is i'm hearing Portlaoise might be commiting a few more players this year!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on November 16, 2017, 11:21:09 AM
It dosent make a difference if they commit their full population of 25,000 if Donie isn't playing 😂
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 16, 2017, 05:29:52 PM
Paying an admission fee into a game doesn't bestow this entitlement to abuse and insult the voluntary efforts of Gaels in all our clubs and counties.

Such an important point.
Certain people threatening for years (on here and on Laois Talk before that) to stop going to games if such and such didn't improve.
One lad said here last year that he wouldn't buy a county board ticket unless Laois County Board stepped in and banned somebody (Can't remember for the life of me what it was- but it was nonsensical).
Laughable stuff.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 16, 2017, 07:13:40 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 16, 2017, 07:30:21 PM
Keyser you are one of the more balanced posters on this forum, however I would very much hold middle ground on this point.  The payment of an admission fee , the purchase of county board ticket or membership of a club very much grants you the right to an opinion.  Whether that opinion is the general consensus is another thing but the rule of democracy is something a lot of clubs and counties ignore and the decisions of an inner cabal (of those who supposedly know best) trumps all.   We may not always agree with what every member says but they have the right to express it regardless.  There are of course lines in the sand with regards to slander or defamation of character but if someone has an opinion I would hope they could express it.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 16, 2017, 07:41:57 PM
Paying an admission fee into a game doesn't bestow this entitlement to abuse and insult the voluntary efforts of Gaels in all our clubs and counties.

Such an important point.
Certain people threatening for years (on here and on Laois Talk before that) to stop going to games if such and such didn't improve.
One lad said here last year that he wouldn't buy a county board ticket unless Laois County Board stepped in and banned somebody (Can't remember for the life of me what it was- but it was nonsensical).
Laughable stuff.

That was me and I didn't buy the ticket. It was over the drinking thing. Thankfully the episode taught me a valuable lesson, and that is there is no point in me spending my hard earned money on lads who are not as committed as their counterparts. Consequently, my expectations for Laois are now as low as it gets, so I won't be disappointed if I hear stories like that again. Personal choice and I don't see what there is to laugh at. I've invested plenty in Laois with little expectation and I continue to do as much as I can for my club. I will probably watch more of Laois footballers than most on here next year, but I am expecting very little. Hopefully I can be pleasantly surprised
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 16, 2017, 11:34:25 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 16, 2017, 11:36:41 PM
Keyser you are one of the more balanced posters on this forum, however I would very much hold middle ground on this point.  The payment of an admission fee , the purchase of county board ticket or membership of a club very much grants you the right to an opinion

Of course it grants you the right to an opinion.
It doesn't grant you ownership of the players or their perceived efforts.

I've seen posts on here basically saying "I wasted my hard earned cash going to watch them useless shower, I bought a ticket to support that useless shower etc, never will I again."
This, in my opinion(!!!), is a step too far. It's not the theatre, these are not actors.
Your financial support is both crucial and appreciated.
BUT
It does not grant you the right to berate and threaten to withdraw support for amateur players who (whether it comes to fruition or not) have put months of their own free time, without financial reward, into putting on a show that you have chosen to attend for your own entertainment.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 16, 2017, 11:39:49 PM
That was me and I didn't buy the ticket. It was over the drinking thing. Thankfully the episode taught me a valuable lesson, and that is there is no point in me spending my hard earned money on lads who are not as committed as their counterparts. Consequently, my expectations for Laois are now as low as it gets, so I won't be disappointed if I hear stories like that again. Personal choice and I don't see what there is to laugh at. I've invested plenty in Laois with little expectation and I continue to do as much as I can for my club. I will probably watch more of Laois footballers than most on here next year, but I am expecting very little. Hopefully I can be pleasantly surprised

1) I'm pretty sure it was a €130 County board Ticket? They are not on sale till January AFAIK, so I'm not sure how you managed to "not buy it".

2) You are deciding that Laois players (en masse?) are not as committed as who? How are you measuring this?

3) This is exactly the type of post that I cannot fathom. Lads supporting an amateur organisation/group of players with the expectations of a premier league fan base. All my opinion of course.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 17, 2017, 12:18:06 AM
I'm conscious that I don't want to start another sideshow with you, and in general, I respect what you're saying. I've made the choice not to commit financially to Laois because there is a lot that goes on that I disagree with. Way too much to go into in depth, but players drinking would be part of it. So I've informed the club that I won't be buying or selling the ticket for the foreseeable future. That's my choice and I'm happy enough with it. If lads want to drink and play football that's their business, but I don't believe that any county worth it's salt would tolerate that, and we did. Just my opinion and don't care who thinks if I'm right or wrong. We win nothing and we go nowhere with drinkers
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 17, 2017, 08:44:50 AM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 10:04:29 AM
I'm conscious that I don't want to start another sideshow with you, and in general, I respect what you're saying. I've made the choice not to commit financially to Laois because there is a lot that goes on that I disagree with. Way too much to go into in depth, but players drinking would be part of it. So I've informed the club that I won't be buying or selling the ticket for the foreseeable future. That's my choice and I'm happy enough with it. If lads want to drink and play football that's their business, but I don't believe that any county worth it's salt would tolerate that, and we did. Just my opinion and don't care who thinks if I'm right or wrong. We win nothing and we go nowhere with drinkers
You realise, in essence, its your club you're punishing, not Laois GAA?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on November 17, 2017, 10:15:46 AM
If it Sean Moore, it's not accurate. He's not leaving Ballyfin.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 10:17:04 AM
If it Sean Moore, it's not accurate. He's not leaving Ballyfin.
Cant see why he would. Be very strange, and disappointing if another club was trying to poach a player already at senior level.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 17, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
I'm conscious that I don't want to start another sideshow with you, and in general, I respect what you're saying. I've made the choice not to commit financially to Laois because there is a lot that goes on that I disagree with. Way too much to go into in depth, but players drinking would be part of it. So I've informed the club that I won't be buying or selling the ticket for the foreseeable future. That's my choice and I'm happy enough with it. If lads want to drink and play football that's their business, but I don't believe that any county worth it's salt would tolerate that, and we did. Just my opinion and don't care who thinks if I'm right or wrong. We win nothing and we go nowhere with drinkers
You realise, in essence, its your club you're punishing, not Laois GAA?

I do plenty for the club on a voluntary basis so I wouldn't just measure my contribution financially. Like most clubs in Laois, they too can have a fairly casual approach at Senior level. It honestly doesn't matter that much to me any more. I'd love to see us go well obviously, but there always seems to be a few rogues in the Laois set up and with that mindset, you can't expect too much
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laois fan on November 17, 2017, 11:03:39 AM
If it Sean Moore, it's not accurate. He's not leaving Ballyfin.
Cant see why he would. Be very strange, and disappointing if another club was trying to poach a player already at senior level.
where too plaois?hardly mountmelick.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 11:07:55 AM
I'm conscious that I don't want to start another sideshow with you, and in general, I respect what you're saying. I've made the choice not to commit financially to Laois because there is a lot that goes on that I disagree with. Way too much to go into in depth, but players drinking would be part of it. So I've informed the club that I won't be buying or selling the ticket for the foreseeable future. That's my choice and I'm happy enough with it. If lads want to drink and play football that's their business, but I don't believe that any county worth it's salt would tolerate that, and we did. Just my opinion and don't care who thinks if I'm right or wrong. We win nothing and we go nowhere with drinkers
You realise, in essence, its your club you're punishing, not Laois GAA?

I do plenty for the club on a voluntary basis so I wouldn't just measure my contribution financially. Like most clubs in Laois, they too can have a fairly casual approach at Senior level. It honestly doesn't matter that much to me any more. I'd love to see us go well obviously, but there always seems to be a few rogues in the Laois set up and with that mindset, you can't expect too much
So anyone who does something voluntarily for a Club is absolved of any fundraising requirements? Interesting approach.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 17, 2017, 11:22:17 AM
I do plenty of fundraising, mostly at juvenile level. I think in general, a lot of good and positive work goes on in Laois at underage level. The wheels come off after that.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on November 17, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
This poaching business sickens my arse . Surely they can find enough players in a town of 25,000 without having to poach off smaller clubs .bullshit
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 17, 2017, 12:45:39 PM
This poaching business sickens my arse . Surely they can find enough players in a town of 25,000 without having to poach off smaller clubs .bullshit
Who the hell said Portlaoise are after anyone!?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 17, 2017, 12:50:03 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 17, 2017, 03:34:59 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on November 17, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
Brendan Delaney Is that the umpire from stradbally? ???
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 17, 2017, 03:58:38 PM
Brendan Delaney Is that the umpire from stradbally? ???




No this man is from Park, and he would be a father of the twins.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 17, 2017, 06:02:13 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on November 17, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Sensational transfer request is in the pipeline i hear. It is jaw dropping but to be fair to the individual i cannot say anything further. Letting the name onto a public forum would probably allow grumblers to begin a campaign to immobilize the individuals chances of the transfer succeeding. I hear the chances of the transfer going through is almost 100% certain. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 17, 2017, 06:38:09 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Sensational transfer request is in the pipeline i hear. It is jaw dropping but to be fair to the individual i cannot say anything further. Letting the name onto a public forum would probably allow grumblers to begin a campaign to immobilize the individuals chances of the transfer succeeding. I hear the chances of the transfer going through is almost 100% certain.
You cant say who it is but can you say who it isn't.
Kingston brothers can you say its not them
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on November 17, 2017, 06:49:24 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Sensational transfer request is in the pipeline i hear. It is jaw dropping but to be fair to the individual i cannot say anything further. Letting the name onto a public forum would probably allow grumblers to begin a campaign to immobilize the individuals chances of the transfer succeeding. I hear the chances of the transfer going through is almost 100% certain.
You cant say who it is but can you say who it isn't.
Kingston brothers can you say its not them
Before this gathers momentum can i clarify this,i am referring to a solitary individual transfer being sought. Transfers to my knowledge can only be sought on an individual basis, not in group form.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on November 17, 2017, 07:17:06 PM
Some interesting rumours around regarding transfers of some Laois footballers. One out of Laois and a couple of moves inside the county.
Fire them up there buddy
One to Athy and another one to make a short move to Josephs I heard. Don't know its true but they both have come from a lad who knows more than me about these things.
Sensational transfer request is in the pipeline i hear. It is jaw dropping but to be fair to the individual i cannot say anything further. Letting the name onto a public forum would probably allow grumblers to begin a campaign to immobilize the individuals chances of the transfer succeeding. I hear the chances of the transfer going through is almost 100% certain.
Incredible to think Zach would be coming back, and to Stradbally no less, Jesus that’s unbelievable news.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Target Man on November 17, 2017, 07:22:55 PM
Well at least Zach to Stradbally would be jaw dropping. I'm not sure a Kingston transfer anywhere would even register mild surprise unfortunately
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on November 17, 2017, 10:17:56 PM
No a Kingston transfer wouldn't be a surprise but still big news.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 17, 2017, 11:38:56 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.

Was talking to one of the lad I know that was in for trials, Seemingly it's Brian Breen, I'd say he's only in to Ref the in house games, as he would be barely capable of that let alone any other task!!!

Well if we can't replace Donie's scores, We will be in a world of bother in the championship, as he scored the majority of our scores last year!!!!!!

On the transfer saga, are we looking at a big name down that side???




Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 18, 2017, 12:29:49 AM
Its fairly obvious that Monument Road wants it "out there" that this player/players is/are SEEKING a transfer.
The club they are seeking to transfer to ARE NOT, I repeat ARE NOT out looking for them to transfer.

Reminds me of a scene from Fr Ted
***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 18, 2017, 01:01:27 AM
Monument Road is a Josephs man  ? 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on November 18, 2017, 03:07:05 AM
I'll take a stab at Meaney to Josephs. Lives in the area and known to be unhappy with set up in Kilcruise. Just a guess but lacks the jaw drop factor. Kingstons to Athy would hardly loosen your jaw either. Kingstons to Kildare? You'd need surgery to mend that jaw. You gotta love the close season . Much better craic than the real thing
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 18, 2017, 08:34:54 AM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.

Was talking to one of the lad I know that was in for trials, Seemingly it's Brian Breen, I'd say he's only in to Ref the in house games, as he would be barely capable of that let alone any other task!!!

Well if we can't replace Donie's scores, We will be in a world of bother in the championship, as he scored the majority of our scores last year!!!!!!

On the transfer saga, are we looking at a big name down that side???
Ah brian breen na i doubt he is in reffing saw mousey moore myself doing a few of those matches he was moving well to be fsir. Thats Brian breen from o Dempseys i presume 2 good years under the belt promotion and leage pleasant to deal with from all accounts im guessing with PORT being in your username its local rivalry. Lets be positive give lads a chance before cutting the legs from under them
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Pablo Escobar on November 18, 2017, 11:02:11 AM
Kingston to Athy has been a rumour for a The last seven off seasons. I’ll believe it when I see it. Josephs involves in transfer rumours?? No way ! I know if I was a josephs man it would sicken my b***x. It’s basically telling your players ok your not good enough. We will bring in this other  fella.

Anyway does anyone have a list of lads training with Laois at the moment . I read today Ben Conroy is involved.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on November 18, 2017, 11:07:25 AM
Its fairly obvious that Monument Road wants it "out there" that this player/players is/are SEEKING a transfer.
The club they are seeking to transfer to ARE NOT, I repeat ARE NOT out looking for them to transfer.

Reminds me of a scene from Fr Ted
***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***
it's Saturday morning and I can't hold it back any longer...Cora Staunton to Kileen..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 18, 2017, 11:13:13 AM
Its fairly obvious that Monument Road wants it "out there" that this player/players is/are SEEKING a transfer.
The club they are seeking to transfer to ARE NOT, I repeat ARE NOT out looking for them to transfer.

Reminds me of a scene from Fr Ted
***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***NOT A RACIST***
it's Saturday morning and I can't hold it back any longer...Cora Staunton to Kileen..

Brilliant!  ;D
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on November 18, 2017, 01:15:18 PM
Just tell us who the transfer is
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on November 18, 2017, 02:12:25 PM
No no don’t tell us yet ...November is a horrible month keep it going till December
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: brandyandPORT on November 18, 2017, 03:44:30 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.

Was talking to one of the lad I know that was in for trials, Seemingly it's Brian Breen, I'd say he's only in to Ref the in house games, as he would be barely capable of that let alone any other task!!!

Well if we can't replace Donie's scores, We will be in a world of bother in the championship, as he scored the majority of our scores last year!!!!!!

On the transfer saga, are we looking at a big name down that side???
Ah brian breen na i doubt he is in reffing saw mousey moore myself doing a few of those matches he was moving well to be fsir. Thats Brian breen from o Dempseys i presume 2 good years under the belt promotion and leage pleasant to deal with from all accounts im guessing with PORT being in your username its local rivalry. Lets be positive give lads a chance before cutting the legs from under them


Promoting a senior team back to senior as a selector is hardly a massive achievement???

Not in anyway connected to local rivalry, but I just feel he lacks the caliber to be involved in any inter-county setup.


Will it effect our county team this transfer  ????


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on November 18, 2017, 03:50:29 PM
Kingston is a massive loss  :'(

Looking at where a primary scoring forward will emerge from will be intriguing.
 
 I think Sugrue made some good choices in picking his back room team.
I think paul Kingston Gary walsh and Alan farrell will step up
Besiides eoin Kearns and stack who else is in there???

Sorry but your talking of replacing Donie with 2 players who were not regular starters under the previous 3 managers, And another who spent the majority of his time with Laois in his own half working (obviously in a role he was asked to play by the previous manager)????

Paul Kingston- Talented footballer, Incredible at times. but hasn't the same physical presence or scoring volume of his sibling

Gary Walsh- Good, But wont contribute the scores Donie has.

Alan Farrell- A workhorse forward, Good skillset but not a prolific scorer.

Maybe this system will suit them, and allow them to flourish.




Kearns could have took any of the other Laois gigs on his own merit.

Stack knows that group, and will have better guidance on the direction of the team than he had with his previous time with Laois

Brendan Delaney-Reportedly very good, and has previously worked with John, It must be said trust in any managerial setup is key !!!

The S&C guy has come from left of field, so I cant comment, as I know very little on him

Think that's the lot.

Good info thanks for that a lad on trials said there was one more in there fella from cork supposed to be very good.
God no im not on about replacing donnie cause you cant really but i think those lads could step up and do a job. They wont score as much but will work.

Was talking to one of the lad I know that was in for trials, Seemingly it's Brian Breen, I'd say he's only in to Ref the in house games, as he would be barely capable of that let alone any other task!!!

Well if we can't replace Donie's scores, We will be in a world of bother in the championship, as he scored the majority of our scores last year!!!!!!

On the transfer saga, are we looking at a big name down that side???
Ah brian breen na i doubt he is in reffing saw mousey moore myself doing a few of those matches he was moving well to be fsir. Thats Brian breen from o Dempseys i presume 2 good years under the belt promotion and leage pleasant to deal with from all accounts im guessing with PORT being in your username its local rivalry. Lets be positive give lads a chance before cutting the legs from under them


Promoting a senior team back to senior as a selector is hardly a massive achievement???

Not in anyway connected to local rivalry, but I just feel he lacks the caliber to be involved in any inter-county setup.


Will it effect our county team this transfer  ????
Ah that's fair enough thought he was a S and C coach doubt a lad with little experience would be a selector probably just giving a hand out. Anyone willing to go in and give a dig out with things they way they are has my respect best of luck to them all in there. Hopfully port get a few lads in there colm murphy might step up for donnie with a bit of coaching.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on November 20, 2017, 04:17:49 PM
John O'Loughlin to portlaoise?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on December 03, 2017, 08:21:28 AM
Great to see loads of new lads joining the panel this year, shows that we still have guys out there who want Laois football to improve. Best of luck to all involved...

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/12/03/number-new-players-mix-laois-footballers-prepare-new-season/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on December 05, 2017, 10:51:19 AM
Is this Donie K to Athy story anyway true?
Seems they want to add him to Cathal McCarron and make a real push for Kildare championship
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on December 05, 2017, 10:55:22 AM

McCarron should fit right in in Athy, hasn't he acclimatised nicely from his trips to Nass not so long ago.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on December 05, 2017, 12:56:31 PM

McCarron should fit right in in Athy, hasn't he acclimatised nicely from his trips to Nass not so long ago.
Kildare Town. He knows the lie of the land alright.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on December 05, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
Is this Donie K to Athy story anyway true?
Seems they want to add him to Cathal McCarron and make a real push for Kildare championship
not a hope in hell of donie joining Athy. .he will be back with the panel come springtime. ..he needed a break
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on December 05, 2017, 02:50:56 PM
Is this Donie K to Athy story anyway true?
Seems they want to add him to Cathal McCarron and make a real push for Kildare championship
not a hope in hell of donie joining Athy. .he will be back with the panel come springtime. ..he needed a break
Good. Just a rumour I heard.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Uisce on December 07, 2017, 09:12:57 AM
I hear there is upwards of 55 lads in with Laois at the minute, a good number of the Portlaoise lads in too. A good balance of youth and experience, will be interesting to see who makes the cut. I assume there will be a significant cull some time soon, good for lads to get exposure to the set up but must be a pain to manage training with that number!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on December 07, 2017, 11:32:02 AM
Does the 55 include the u20s Uisce? That new rule will be interesting whereby u20s can only play u20 or senior. Does anyone know if this is only for championship?

Any word on any challenge games?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on December 07, 2017, 12:13:27 PM
Playing some sort of 3 team tournament among themselves this weekend or next I think ...

Just shy of 60 in there and all turning in for every session.

David Conway calling it a day I hear....

McMahon and Donoher are considering retirement.

Rest are back apart from Donie....Brian Glynn from Portlaoise is in there and flying it I heard!

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on December 07, 2017, 12:21:56 PM
Playing some sort of 3 team tournament among themselves this weekend or next I think ...

Just shy of 60 in there and all turning in for every session.

David Conway calling it a day I hear....

McMahon and Donoher are considering retirement.

Rest are back apart from Donie....Brian Glynn from Portlaoise is in there and flying it I heard!
Not sure that's accurate in relation to Niall Donoher.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on December 07, 2017, 12:24:37 PM
I've always rated Glynn highly - he's a very intelligent footballer and has a good engine and decent pace. I think he could definitely do a job for us, at the very least as a squad player, but could have the potential to be in the starting 15 if he keeps showing as he's currently doing. Any update on Healy and his plans post injury?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on December 07, 2017, 02:56:51 PM
A shame Glynn was lost to Laois for so long, you’d wonder whether he can be the player he was capable of once upon a time. Probably not you’d imagine.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Heshs Umpire on December 18, 2017, 09:22:44 PM
A shame Glynn was lost to Laois for so long, you’d wonder whether he can be the player he was capable of once upon a time. Probably not you’d imagine.
What age would he be? 28, 29?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on December 19, 2017, 09:40:59 AM
A shame Glynn was lost to Laois for so long, you’d wonder whether he can be the player he was capable of once upon a time. Probably not you’d imagine.
What age would he be? 28, 29?
Played Minor 10 years ago, so in or around that bracket.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 19, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
Any ideas on what sort of team might appear against Westmeath on 30th?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on December 19, 2017, 12:26:58 PM
It will be very experimental I'd say with the league beginning early and many of the older players carrying knocks or out injured.

Be a case of looking at lads and how they compete at the higher level.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on January 14, 2018, 03:43:18 PM
I see where Mark Brehony of Sligo has retired from inter county. Him and Dermot Brady of Longford who did the same recently were the longest serving inter county players.
I wonder does the title pass to Ross this year?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 14, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Was there a certain someone back training this morning? ;)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 14, 2018, 04:18:16 PM
There was  8)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 14, 2018, 04:48:35 PM
I had a feeling it wouldn't take him long as his brother is still about.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on January 14, 2018, 04:51:52 PM
I believe the panel was to be finalised today after training, with possibly 12 cut. anybody hear anything
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on January 14, 2018, 05:45:08 PM
I believe the panel was to be finalised today after training, with possibly 12 cut. anybody hear anything
A bit unfair that some unnamed played strolls back this morning while a dozen lads get the bullet after bursting their holes for the last two months.
Anyway, if said player is good enough come the summer, I guess that's the measure.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 14, 2018, 05:57:25 PM
I hear what your saying but its not like he rocked up in the middle of the league. 2 weeks before the first match  and if imagine by johns form he will be running for quiet a while before kicking a ball . The last 2 months were an opportunity for fringe lads to put the hand up. Im sure the lads that did are there.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 14, 2018, 06:38:09 PM
I'm ok with him coming back, now. He's been training solidly in other sports. He hasn't been out drinking and shmoking etc all day everyday. He will be welcomed back and the games we played so far were really for the newcomers to show their worth. Donie has already shown his worth as our best player on his day, so for him to show up to trial matches could have meant another player wouldn't get a chance to start. Positive all round and great news for the year ahead if it seems like all are pulling in the right direction. Now all we need is Cahir back and I'll be smiling from ear to ear  ;D
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 14, 2018, 11:20:15 PM
What i heard thursday was true
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 14, 2018, 11:29:20 PM
What i heard thursday was true

Good News, huge addition to the panel.  Can't see anyone put out by Donie's return they all know his ability.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 09:40:03 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/14/breaking-massive-boost-laois-footballers-key-forward-returns/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 09:42:35 AM
Does anyone know if Paul Cahalane is involved in the panel this year. He was named earlier but haven't seen or heard of him being there since.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on January 15, 2018, 10:05:22 AM
Does anyone know if Paul Cahalane is involved in the panel this year. He was named earlier but haven't seen or heard of him being there since.
He is, yes.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 10:11:43 AM
That's great, we have a very strong panel this year so no reason why we can't get out of Division 4 and give the championship a really good rattle...
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 15, 2018, 10:24:39 AM
What i heard thursday was true
Gway...?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 15, 2018, 10:25:08 AM
That's great, we have a very strong panel this year so no reason why we can't get out of Division 4 and give the championship a really good rattle...

By what measure do we have a very strong panel? I would agree that they are bringing in the best players they can get in the county and have created good energy but surely we still have a significant deficit in terms of the number of quality players coming through?

My own opinion is that we have many years of development before we are competitive again. We may get out of Division 4 in 2018 but it is not a certainty. At best, we would be an average Division 3 team.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on January 15, 2018, 10:30:35 AM
Great to see Donie back. He has missed the initial hard slog of November/December training but maybe that's ok if everyone agrees. I did hear that Brendan Quigley is going to struggle to be fit for any of the league, Anyone else hear this.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 15, 2018, 10:45:02 AM
That's great, we have a very strong panel this year so no reason why we can't get out of Division 4 and give the championship a really good rattle...

By what measure do we have a very strong panel? I would agree that they are bringing in the best players they can get in the county and have created good energy but surely we still have a significant deficit in terms of the number of quality players coming through?

My own opinion is that we have many years of development before we are competitive again. We may get out of Division 4 in 2018 but it is not a certainty. At best, we would be an average Division 3 team.

Agreed. I don't see a lot to get excited about. There have been some good additions, but the foundations are very weak, particularly defensively and physically. I think it's best not to heap unnecessary pressure on Sugrue and the panel and let them find themselves.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 01:32:36 PM
I'm not getting excited about it I just think we have the strongest panel we could possibly have at this time of the year and we should be well able for Division 4 football. 
Our first games in the championship wouldn't be as hard as they could have been and we could get a bit of a run in the qualifiers if we do well in the league. It's a lot better than I was expecting it to be, I honestly thought we would lose half of last year's panel and be really struggling in the league.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 15, 2018, 04:13:03 PM
Plenty of lads cut I hear ....

Coss and Lutrell are gone for starters...

Hard on the 8-10 that were cut but the training etc they got will stand them in great stead for the rest of the year.

Who's to say they might not return .

I hear Quigley is out for 5 more weeks at least.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 15, 2018, 04:40:25 PM
I think it's best not to heap unnecessary pressure on Sugrue and the panel and let them find themselves.

Totally agree with High Fielder, here. Let's not put pressure on if we get a few bad results. Needs a lot of time and patience. Let the setup have an enjoyable atmosphere and we wont focus too much on results this year. We're really building but we can't expect to be world beaters in 2018. Very positive news coming from the camp though and looking forward to what should be an interesting 2018. Hopefully injuries remain low as we don't have huge strengh in depth at the moment unfortunately. Will be great to see what team emerge and are named for the league. As always, if I see we're trying 100% with what we've got, and giving things our best shot, I'll be delighted regardless of result.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 15, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
It shows the reality of Laois football at the moment when there is not too much out there to improve the county team.

From the names that were mentioned donw through the thread and those who saw game time against Westmeath what new players could realistically be given a starting jersey in 2 weeks?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on January 15, 2018, 07:11:47 PM
It shows the reality of Laois football at the moment when there is not too much out there to improve the county team.

From the names that were mentioned donw through the thread and those who saw game time against Westmeath what new players could realistically be given a starting jersey in 2 weeks?
Possibly Glynn. That's it though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 15, 2018, 07:20:14 PM
Looking at these lads I think they'll put pressure on themselves, they will know they should be good enough to get out of this division as we will have almost the same squad as we had last year. But for some mad indiscipline and the width of an upright we would still be playing in Div3 so there's no reason we cant get back there fairly quickly.
I for one wont be looking for the managers head if we don't get results but I'd say the lads themselves will be disappointed if they don't at least get to a Div4 final
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 15, 2018, 07:21:19 PM
I reckon Sugrue will opt for experience in the first game.
Brody
Attride Timmons Kelly
Strong Begley Buggie
O'Loughlin Glynn
Donoher P Kingston Farrell
Munnelly O'Carroll Walsh

Positions could be interchangeable but something like that? Who else is in the running? Lowry? Lillis? Collins? Moore? Hardly start Donie?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 15, 2018, 09:09:48 PM
You won't be far off with that team SCFC. Only issue is that team is lacking pace around the middle. Could Evan do a job midfield alongside Johnno if he ups his work rate? Dillon should also start too, he had raw pace which we badly lack.

Any other corner back we could put in to release Attride around the middle?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 15, 2018, 09:21:09 PM
Kelly is out...had a few poor performances getting skinned at times

Delighted for Dowling and hope Collins is in too
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 15, 2018, 11:27:54 PM
It surprises me at times how highly rated some lads in Laois are. Often with very little justification. If John Sugrue has the ability to make lads work harder, he will do well. I look at some names here and in all honesty they don't strike me as team players . Their presence on any team puts so much pressure on our backs because they don't know how to tackle and don't work hard enough. We need to be smarter without the ball, hold onto it longer when we get it, and toughen the f**k up. Sounds simple, but it hasn't been the case for a long time now
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 15, 2018, 11:34:26 PM
I reckon Sugrue will opt for experience in the first game.
Brody
Attride Timmons Kelly
Strong Begley Buggie
O'Loughlin Glynn
Donoher P Kingston Farrell
Munnelly O'Carroll Walsh

Positions could be interchangeable but something like that? Who else is in the running? Lowry? Lillis? Collins? Moore? Hardly start Donie?

This looks a lot like the team that got us relegated from both Div 2 and 3. Personally, would like to see more pace and new faces.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on January 16, 2018, 08:35:16 AM
agree with blueandwhite1, the kelly lad corner back i think he is dropped off panel probably due to be roasted in stradbally. Aswell not sure about strong & donoher.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 16, 2018, 08:45:56 AM
Brody

Holland Timmons nerney
Collins Begley attride

Jol Evan

Farrel Kingston o Reilly

Munnely walsh Lowry



For freshness sake. Buggie out injured i hear


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 16, 2018, 09:23:44 AM
It surprises me at times how highly rated some lads in Laois are. Often with very little justification. If John Sugrue has the ability to make lads work harder, he will do well. I look at some names here and in all honesty they don't strike me as team players . Their presence on any team puts so much pressure on our backs because they don't know how to tackle and don't work hard enough. We need to be smarter without the ball, hold onto it longer when we get it, and toughen the f**k up. Sounds simple, but it hasn't been the case for a long time now

Exactly.....pace and work rate to be upped please

There’s a team picked by parklife with jol and Evan this pair would be rolling around with each other in a headlock ....chawing each other about who’s tracking back....no tks

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 16, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
You won't be far off with that team SCFC. Only issue is that team is lacking pace around the middle. Could Evan do a job midfield alongside Johnno if he ups his work rate? Dillon should also start too, he had raw pace which we badly lack.

Any other corner back we could put in to release Attride around the middle?
I completely forgot Dillon and if as someone said Buggie is injured he'd fit in well there at 7.
And Collins instead of Kelly if he has been dropped from the panel.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Monument Road on January 16, 2018, 10:23:53 AM
Brody

Holland Timmons nerney
Collins Begley attride

Jol Evan

Farrel Kingston o Reilly

Munnely walsh Lowry



For freshness sake. Buggie out injured i hear
In fairness this is probably close to the best available we have at the moment but, a lot of them wouldnt get close to a B selection a lot of other counties. IMO two of the above forwards are average defenders, one of the selected midfielders has never played there for his club. We are where are and it will take a new generation of footballers to get us back to even a mid section footballing county
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 16, 2018, 10:51:49 AM
It would be helpful to know what the full panel is after the cut.
I'm a bit supersized that Ross might be a starter at this point.

The priority in my view would be to introduce 10 replacement players over the next two years, winning div 4 with and old team and then struggling to remain in div 3 wouldn't represent progress. Now if we were to win it with say 7 or 8 new players now that would be something. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 16, 2018, 11:25:11 AM
The best thing that Sugrue could bring to the table is a change in attitude and work rate amongst the players along with structure and organisation. The main thing though is attitude. There are some decent footballers there if he gets them all working together.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 16, 2018, 01:14:54 PM
mmmm interesting team picked there by O'Moore Park-life


Brody

Holland Timmons nerney
Collins Begley attride

Jol Evan

Farrel Kingston o Reilly

Munnely walsh Lowry

Does that leave

Donoher
Strong
Lillis
Cahilane
Benny Carroll
Collins
Moore
Dillion
Glynn
Forbes
Dowling
Chris Finn
Piggot
Eoin Kehoe
Mcevoy Portlaoise
P Mcevoy Ballylinan
Ruari Fennell
Whelan- Ballyroan
Murray Rosenallis

Quigley -Injured -again will surely play some part if available

Buggie -Injured I hear

Conway -Injured -Probably play some part as he is so dedicated

Obv Kingston is back as well 

Thats 38 so I'm sure there is one or two on the above list gone?

Am I missing anyone



Or have some of these been cut...

From this page I have seen Coss ,Luttrell and Kelly have gone?


 

Who have we lost since last year?
Jamie Farrell ???-good club player dropped from panel last year

James Finn-abroad pity as he could have been a great option around the middle

Meaney-Not involved again we could do with him being around

McMahon-Retired?I'm not sure still be a nice option

Booth-Not involved??Not sure if he is up to the pace of it anymore but was okay early last year

Damien O'connor???-Good option in my opinion

A Doran????-Didn't do much last year despite gettin a lot of chances

Brian Daly???-Good talent don't know if he is in or out?

 








Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 16, 2018, 01:35:33 PM
I wouldnt shed any tears for Meaney.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 16, 2018, 02:47:19 PM
moore,coss,kelly,luttrell,forbes and Murray are gone

Kingston and O'Connor back in
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on January 16, 2018, 03:17:42 PM
Am I correct in saying that every player that Sugrue wanted to join the training panel has joined?


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 16, 2018, 04:09:20 PM
Any update on Healy lads?

Surprised Moore is cut. He has great potential but needs to work on getting physically teadyready for senior
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 16, 2018, 04:25:05 PM
moore,coss,kelly,luttrell,forbes and Murray are gone

Kingston and O'Connor back in

You sure about Moore and Forbes I heard different?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 16, 2018, 04:41:58 PM
Heard about Forbes. Not sure about moore but looking at it might not be a bad thing letting him play club and toughen up feed him the conditioning plans come back next year bit bigger and a bit of grit from club as he will be undoubtedly be man marked and targeted .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 16, 2018, 05:04:23 PM
Well i'm not 100% sure

My contact said those guys were cut

I would love to see Moore stay but he is just so light he is 2 years behind for sure
He needs 4kg right now mentally the step up has certainly affected his potency
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 16, 2018, 05:06:53 PM
Heard about Forbes. Not sure about moore but looking at it might not be a bad thing letting him play club and toughen up feed him the conditioning plans come back next year bit bigger and a bit of grit from club as he will be undoubtedly be man marked and targeted .

Looking at a few Ballyfin the last few years since he scored 3-5 in the intermediate final against Timahoe I think it was he has been a target since maybe he should stay the way he is a natrual gifted fast footballer...Yes he can work on his power but does everyone have to bulk up these days?

Offaly had three men on him in the u21s last year two marking him yes two and a sweeper in front!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 16, 2018, 05:15:01 PM
Somebody said Paul cahillane was Involved earlier in the forum, if so he would surely be pretty close to starting for the league?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 16, 2018, 06:57:56 PM
Somebody said Paul cahillane was Involved earlier in the forum, if so he would surely be pretty close to starting for the league?
Currently injured I believe
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on January 16, 2018, 08:26:29 PM
Is Colm Murphy still on the panel?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 16, 2018, 08:36:53 PM
Is Colm Murphy still on the panel?
Played under 21 with a cast id imagine he is in recovery mode. Heard he was doing laps a few weeks ago in OMP
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on January 16, 2018, 09:36:50 PM
Good to hear Colm is there very promising player possible starter this year. Is tom shiels around this year was a starter a few years ago. Plenty of injuries so  Murphy, Quigley, Strong? Timmons, Cahilane, Buggy, Conway, Booth? Conor Merdith would of been a good addition aswell.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 16, 2018, 11:30:04 PM
Tom Shiels was in the dugout with the team in Stradbally, wasn't togged out but he was there.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 17, 2018, 09:46:41 AM
Heard about Forbes. Not sure about moore but looking at it might not be a bad thing letting him play club and toughen up feed him the conditioning plans come back next year bit bigger and a bit of grit from club as he will be undoubtedly be man marked and targeted .

Looking at a few Ballyfin the last few years since he scored 3-5 in the intermediate final against Timahoe I think it was he has been a target since maybe he should stay the way he is a natrual gifted fast footballer...Yes he can work on his power but does everyone have to bulk up these days?


Offaly had three men on him in the u21s last year two marking him yes two and a sweeper in front!


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 17, 2018, 09:47:35 AM
Unlaoised do you realise the base that Moore is coming from?
The lad is very very light....now I know heavy weights and bulking up can be a negative but he needs some foundation for confidence alone if he is to be played at Senior

If in Dublin he would have a different physique and  performance not compromised IMO



Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 17, 2018, 10:00:42 AM
Am I correct in saying that every player that Sugrue wanted to join the training panel has joined?
Meredith? Not sure he's in.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 17, 2018, 03:21:07 PM
Forbes still involved and Healy has made no decisions yet . The dual option has been touted ..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 17, 2018, 03:38:23 PM
Now if we could just get Zack back... :)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 17, 2018, 04:08:56 PM
Forbes still involved and Healy has made no decisions yet . The dual option has been touted ..
Forbes is 100% gone
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 17, 2018, 04:44:17 PM
Now if we could just get Zack back... :)
Zeds dead baby. Zeds dead.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 17, 2018, 06:28:50 PM
Moore doesn't need to bulk in the sense that he'd need to lift weights like Arnold.

Rather, he needs to improve his S&C in terms of bursting through tackles and being able to retain possession. As someone rightly said, that is possible to do while retaining speed. Just look at the Dublin players from 20 - 23. Hopefully he'll be placed in the right hands and that talent can be harnessed correctly.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 17, 2018, 08:15:17 PM
You're bang on Tony, it's all about speed in the GAA now and hopefully this is an area Sugrue targets as we badly need to inject pace into the team.

Any challenge games this weekend?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 17, 2018, 10:05:31 PM
Jesus

He won’t be able to burst through the tackles he is that light

That’s my point

Speed and power
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: mountrath1 on January 17, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
Wow loving the new concepts in fitness that ye are now relaying to us all. Bulking a lad and making him slow. .speed and power? ??. Firstly you will never make a lad slow by putting lean massg on him. Lean mass contains all the ingredients to making a person quicker (mitochondrial density= powerhouse=greater force output)..And unfortunately power is speed x strength. So therefore without bulk as ye may say ..he will never develop power persay to aid his development.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 17, 2018, 11:32:33 PM
Bejaysus........... physics was lost on me with the Bull Ryan.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 18, 2018, 01:48:25 AM
You can say what you like about bulk but Ross never regained the speed he had before he bulked up.

He was nippy, skilful but light and when he put on the strength he slowed down considerably.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 18, 2018, 10:43:25 AM
You can say what you like about bulk but Ross never regained the speed he had before he bulked up.

He was nippy, skilful but light and when he put on the strength he slowed down considerably.
Well I know next to nothing about S&C  but I think its got to do with body shape if you like and the 2 examples I like are Clancy and Ross  before and after McNulty.
I think all will agree that before they were being thrown around the place by most teams,  Clancy never bulked up but BJ was he strong and I remember Ross hitting that Meath corner back a clatter in Tullamore and their supporters whinging about it for a week after  :D
Were they better players after ..... absolutely  IMO.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 18, 2018, 11:19:11 AM
Attride appointed captain again with JOL and Brody vice captains.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 18, 2018, 11:49:03 AM
Any word on the final panel yet? I would assume names etc would have to be forwarded to the gaa at this stage with the league opener just over a week away.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 18, 2018, 12:14:30 PM
I heard a lot of players have left the Limerick panel ( not wanting to make the commitment 4 or 5 night plus GYM ) will probably have a lot of young players our.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 18, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
Limerick have been doing savage work I heard but as a previous poster has said some of the lads are getting very pissed off with toll its taken...

I have a Cousin in UL who is friends with a player on the panel its none stop two lads have packed it in.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 18, 2018, 01:17:42 PM
Building strength does not mean reducing speed.

Just look at any top level sprinter - they are absolutely built, yet the fastest people in the world.

If being skinny made you fast, Usain Bolt and co would look like a skinny marathoner - but they're built.

Case closed.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 18, 2018, 03:43:43 PM
It's sort of tragic the way in Laois we think that has to be one thing or the other.

Dublin are fast and physical and skillful and play to a rigid gameplan and are creative and focus on their pipeline coming through. No point in choosing one thing to focus on, you have to have it all to be competitive.

Our problem is that we are neither fast nor physical nor particulary skillful nor play to any gameplan yet.

In our best days we had speed and skill but got passed out by teams who added physicality and structure.

Can't make a good cake without all the ingredients in sufficient quantities.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 18, 2018, 03:45:33 PM
Myth: Lifting weights will bulk you up, which hinders your speed/agility.

Fact :Try to build lean muscle by lifting less weight but performing more reps. You can always grow stronger without compromising your mobility. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on January 18, 2018, 10:10:52 PM
I miss the days the Laois teams and games used to excite me our players were house hold names known the length and breath of the country...nowadays it’s silly chat about SnC and all the excuses that roll with it...god I miss the good old days
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 18, 2018, 11:07:35 PM
Nail on head moment Town. Fair play to them, all of them, for giving up their time and putting the hard work in. But there's a pointlessness to this, and to the GAA, that is hard to ignore. You can't blame those Limerick lads in all honesty. It will come the day when a county can't field a team. The sooner the better in my opinion because no sport worth its name can exist with such imbalances.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 19, 2018, 07:52:50 AM
I think we're getting to a point (within the next 5 to 10 years) where you either pay the inter county players for their time, or you lose them in droves. It's getting to the point where you have to commit 5 or 6 training sessions per week, just to be somewhat competitive. It's not sustainable.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on January 19, 2018, 08:57:01 AM
For me the inter county scene is pretty much dead and buried for teams outside the top 8 under the current structure.

No excitement, no buzz anymore and we have players expected to devote their lives to this and all they get is failure and endless abuse. Anyone that commits fully to the regime and represents Laois is a credit to the county.

 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 19, 2018, 09:55:24 AM
For me the inter county scene is pretty much dead and buried for teams outside the top 8 under the current structure.

No excitement, no buzz anymore and we have players expected to devote their lives to this and all they get is failure and endless abuse. Anyone that commits fully to the regime and represents Laois is a credit to the county.

But the answer to the problem is there in front of us.

Senior
Intermediate
Junior

10 teams in each grade or thereabouts, each county can have one team only.

But will our pride allow it........doubt it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 19, 2018, 10:01:33 AM
I have been somewhat critical at times ....but I have to agree with The Kid

These guys are putting in major effort and I hope they do really well and derive real satisfaction for the effort put in

Completely understandable if the head drops with expectations in counties
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 19, 2018, 10:04:02 AM
I miss the days the Laois teams and games used to excite me our players were house hold names known the length and breath of the country...nowadays it’s silly chat about SnC and all the excuses that roll with it...god I miss the good old days
I miss Bosco, he was great fun. I miss the good old days, before mortgages and kids and work.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 19, 2018, 11:29:33 AM
Ben Conroy still with the footballers lads?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 19, 2018, 11:40:51 AM
Ben Conroy still with the footballers lads?
Back with the hurlers these past few weeks.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 19, 2018, 11:59:31 AM
Playing Louth Sunday somewhere in the big smoke!

I heard Louth beat Kildare in a recent game!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 21, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
One of the reasons why Donie is back...
http://hoganstand.com/Laois/article/index/280120?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 22, 2018, 10:23:56 AM
Playing Louth Sunday somewhere in the big smoke!

I heard Louth beat Kildare in a recent game!

Did this go ahead? Anyone got a report if so.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Joeythelips on January 22, 2018, 10:54:10 AM
For me the inter county scene is pretty much dead and buried for teams outside the top 8 under the current structure.

No excitement, no buzz anymore and we have players expected to devote their lives to this and all they get is failure and endless abuse. Anyone that commits fully to the regime and represents Laois is a credit to the county.

But the answer to the problem is there in front of us.

Senior
Intermediate
Junior

10 teams in each grade or thereabouts, each county can have one team only.

But will our pride allow it........doubt it.

Its getting to that point alright, but the Tommy Murphy cup was basically an intermediate championship but counties did not want it. They all at least want some kind of crack at Sam no matter how unrealistic. There really needs to be some kind of seeding introduced, run league and provisional championships off separately for example and work out the seedings based on results of these (so both competitions are not dead rubber, there is seeding to play for as well as silverware). Bottom half counties go into a knockout comp say 'Tommy Murphy' cup of some such name, top half play for Sam but winners of Tommy get added before qf stage. That way technically everyone has a crack at Sam. Might be nightmare fixture wise but you get the overall gist. Would have lots of good games and all games have something on the line.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 22, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
I think long term the GAA have two workable choices. They could go professional and create 8 to 10 franchises and let the rest play on as we do now in an amateur sport. Obviously those who are playing professional can't play in the amateur competitions. It would be very much along the lines of American Football with the amateur codes being used as a draft if wanted. I honestly believe there is no future for the GAA unless it introduces pay for play, and while counties like ours would never be able to do this, it would at least be something to aspire to for good up and coming youngsters in any county. Let's be honest, Dublin are at the level of a franchise (or not far off anyway) already.

Another way could be to scrap the Provincial Championships and have an FA Cup style All Ireland with more emphasis put on the league

Or, we could just keep plodding along and have pundits telling Leitrim Laois and Carlow you get out what you put in, You too can be as good as Dublin if you just train hard enough....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 22, 2018, 04:05:09 PM
'A lot was expected from me after my debut'

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https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0118/934386-a-lot-was-expected-from-me-after-my-debut/


Manager Sugrue provides update on returning star forward
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/22/manager-sugrue-provides-update-returning-star-forward/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 22, 2018, 05:14:02 PM
For me the inter county scene is pretty much dead and buried for teams outside the top 8 under the current structure.

No excitement, no buzz anymore and we have players expected to devote their lives to this and all they get is failure and endless abuse. Anyone that commits fully to the regime and represents Laois is a credit to the county.

But the answer to the problem is there in front of us.

Senior
Intermediate
Junior

10 teams in each grade or thereabouts, each county can have one team only.

But will our pride allow it........doubt it.

Its getting to that point alright, but the Tommy Murphy cup was basically an intermediate championship but counties did not want it. They all at least want some kind of crack at Sam no matter how unrealistic. There really needs to be some kind of seeding introduced, run league and provisional championships off separately for example and work out the seedings based on results of these (so both competitions are not dead rubber, there is seeding to play for as well as silverware). Bottom half counties go into a knockout comp say 'Tommy Murphy' cup of some such name, top half play for Sam but winners of Tommy get added before qf stage. That way technically everyone has a crack at Sam. Might be nightmare fixture wise but you get the overall gist. Would have lots of good games and all games have something on the line.

Each county wants to have a crack at  Sam ..... that the part I don't get and I agree with you that's what  they want in football not so in hurling. if you relate that to county championship junior clubs don't expect or demand a crack at the senior championship. I'd say junior clubs are quite happy to play and compete at or near their own level.
Lets be honest the football league starting this w/e is a much more interesting competition because we are playing at our own level.

Is it eleven years since we won 2 games in the championship  ?? and that's when we had a good team.

 A crack at Sam !!!  for the birds.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 23, 2018, 03:38:09 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/23/laois-senior-football-panel-confirmed-2018/ (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/23/laois-senior-football-panel-confirmed-2018/)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 23, 2018, 03:45:12 PM
Good to see so many from portlaoise but I think a few of them might struggle for game time!

Suprised at young Kelly and Moore thought these two have what it takes especially when the weather gets a bit better!


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 23, 2018, 04:30:14 PM
Suprised at young Kelly and Moore thought these two have what it takes especially when the weather gets a bit better!
They haven't been taken out and shot or anything. Both will benefit far more following a program and playing a few games, rather than getting splinters up their holes sitting on benches in shitholes like Carrick and Aughrim.

Truth be told, thats quite a weak panel. Sugrue will have a job on his hands, but we all knew that. If they commit to him, he'll knock a tune out of them. Sacrifice of the individual for the collective. I think he has a group there that will do that. Patience from the few supporters we have left is whats called for now.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 23, 2018, 04:39:34 PM
Disappointed for some of the guys hope they take opportunities that will arise over the coming months
Thrilled for Danny o Reilly ,Benny,Dowling,Donogher and Fennel,Piggott too like his attitude.... lets hope they are given further chances to shine
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 23, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
It's probably the best panel that we could have hoped for. Every player in the county that was interested was sent forward and culled at the later stages. I heard from a good source that the players are very happy with John Sugrue and that the morale is high. Fitness will definitely not be an issue for us this year. On another none Eoin Lowry hit 1-7 for UCD against Maynooth, could be a potential starter for the league
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on January 23, 2018, 06:56:39 PM
Any update on the u20 management?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 23, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
It's a good panel. The only main loss that I can see is Cahir Healy, who I really hoped would be on the panel this year. But having said that I know he's had a fair few injuries and is still currently injured I believe, and he's away most of the time. Hopefully the likes of Holland, Glynn and Dillon can make the transition from club player / squad member to starting player as I really think they have a lot to offer with an inter county programme behind them. Dillon in particular hasn't been a regular with Laois but with his pace and experience, I'd like to see him in the starting 15. Without injuries, my pick would be something like this:


Brody,

Holland, Timmons, Attride,

Glynn, Begley, Dillon,

JOL, Quigley,

P Kingston, E O' Carroll, Donoher,

Walsh, D Kingston, Eoin Lowry.

Near starters: Farrell, O Connor, Booth, Strong, Cahilane, Buggie, Shiel.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 09:47:46 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/24/laois-manager-offers-advice-cut-ballyfin-forward-moore/

Outstanding management and advice. We've got a good one here guys, mark my words.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 24, 2018, 10:27:25 AM
Not often I agree with you, but so far so good.  Donie back is huge but on Sugrue's terms is quite a feat.  Moore hopefully will make the breakthrough at some point. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 10:42:00 AM
Not often I agree with you, but so far so good.  Donie back is huge but on Sugrue's terms is quite a feat.  Moore hopefully will make the breakthrough at some point.
For once we appear to be managing a young talent properly. Instead of Donie Brennan being sent out to stand beside Francie Bellew for 70 minutes back in the day.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 24, 2018, 10:53:41 AM
And no one can query whay he isn't involved because Sugrue has communicated in the correct manner. Far better that the chap knows where he stands as opposed to sitting and waiting/hoping.

All anyone wants is honesty and effort. Refreshing after some of the bluff and bluster we've had. The next thing is to have us playing like the galactico's
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 11:19:35 AM
What is the criteria for entering a Junior team. It looks like a lot of lads are going to miss out, and along with those culled, could we have the makings of a Junior team? I'm not sure how it works to be honest
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 11:26:37 AM
Not a big criteria I'd imagine given we haven't entered one in years, and we're a Division 4 county now.

Question is, are Clubs happy to let players off to play in it. Back in the day when we had oodles of players coming out of minor and u21, the feeling was these lads were better off back with clubs rather than more county football at that grade. There might be something in it now though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 24, 2018, 12:23:36 PM
Zilch interest in it unfortunately.
I can't imagine Mountmellick would be happy to see Coss on a junior squad if it meant he couldn't play league games with them. Same goes for Luttrell, O'Sullivan, Moore, Kelly and their clubs
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 12:35:27 PM
Zilch interest in it unfortunately.
I can't imagine Mountmellick would be happy to see Coss on a junior squad if it meant he couldn't play league games with them. Same goes for Luttrell, O'Sullivan, Moore, Kelly and their clubs
Let them play league games though. I doubt the Junior would cause too many issues, wouldnt be major training for it, unless you got to a Leinster or All Ireland, and then, you're in a Leinster or All Ireland.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 24, 2018, 12:36:29 PM
Anyone know why Forbes was cut?

He seemed to show well enough in the Westmeath games from reports.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 01:03:38 PM
Forbes, Moore, O'Sullivan, Kelly and their likes won't develop one bit in club league football. A better way needs to be found. I suggested the Junior football thing because it's better by far than discarding them. We have to find an avenue for lads who want to be in there.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 01:12:42 PM
Forbes, Moore, O'Sullivan, Kelly and their likes won't develop one bit in club league football. A better way needs to be found. I suggested the Junior football thing because it's better by far than discarding them. We have to find an avenue for lads who want to be in there.
Cant the lads develop themselves? I imagine a query to management about what they need to work on would get a positive response. And why cant they develop in club league? Why can't they go out and rip it up? Any self respecting club player will up his game if a lad is ripping him or his side to shreds. Do we need to handhold everyone nowadays?
Back in the day Bernard Flynn (p***k), would have a bag of balls in the boot of his car to go kick about in any field he encountered. Maurice Fitz, still, to this day, goes down to St Marys twice a week to kick frees. Paidi O Se would take it upon himself to run himself into the ground below in Ceann Tra.
I'm not against the junior idea, but a bit of personal responsibility wouldn't go astray either.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 01:39:38 PM
Most counties have Junior teams. Why would we not? Of course they could develop on their own, but my preference would be to keep them involved. Go back to the club and you're largely out of the loop
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 01:42:45 PM
Hit the nail on the head Don. If lads are good enough to improve and want to improve they will improve and put in the work. If they are not willing to do that then tough luck.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
And as regards out of the loop? Well if lads are playing well for their clubs during the league( which most aren't) they are still in the eyes of the Laois setup.and if they are not able to play well for their club well they don't really deserve to be involved anyway? Be it club or county the cream will always rise to the top.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
So why do most counties have Junior teams? For craic?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 01:50:21 PM
Most counties have Junior teams. Why would we not? Of course they could develop on their own, but my preference would be to keep them involved. Go back to the club and you're largely out of the loop
So why do most counties have Junior teams? For craic?

Many don't actually. Its a dying competition in fact. Again, I would be in favour of entering it, but dont get carried away thinking its any great development opportunity. You could play one game and be out on your hole again. How involved would they be then? Also there's the cost element of it, not to be ignored.

FYI this is last years Leinster JFC, 5 counties took part.
LEINSTER JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
24th May – Meath (2-18) Kildare (1-19)
24th May – Louth (2-11) Longford (0-15)
7th June – Louth (2-11) Wicklow (0-10)
7th June – Meath (1-17) Wexford (0-10)
25th June – Meath (0-19) Louth (0-10)

Here's Munster
2017 Munster Junior Football Championship
Round                  Date   Venue   Referee   Report
SF      Cork   3-21   Waterford   0-9   27/5   Fraher Field Dungarvan   Sean Lonergan (Tipperary)   Click here
SF      Kerry   0-26   Limerick   0-6   11/6   Cusack Park Ennis   John Hannan (Clare)   Click here
Final      Kerry   4-24   Cork   3-20   27/6   Pairc Ui Rinn (AET)   Sean Lonergan (Tipperary)   Click here

This is 2018 for Connacht, where in fairness, only Roscommon seem to not enter.
Connacht GAA Junior Football Championship 2018         
Preliminary Round   Wednesday 2nd May   Mayo   Roscommon   tbc         
Semi-Final   Wednesday 9th May   Leitrim   Winner of Prelim Rd   tbc         
Semi-Final   Wednesday 9th May   Galway   Sligo   tbc         
Final   Sunday 13th May   Winner of Semi-Final 1   Winner of Semi-Final 2

Ulster haven't had one since 1986.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 01:54:15 PM
Where we are, the counties who have all passed us by have one. I can't believe it would weaken us. Financially maybe, and I accept that
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
They haven't passed us by because we don't have a Junior side. That's like saying they should have turned on the lights on the Titanic. All well and good, but it wasn't going to stop the ship from sinking.
I believe the players can still develop on their own if they are determined to. I very much believe Sugrue will have assured them of that too. If he hasn't, then they can double down and decide to f**king show him, and come back stronger.
Or they can lie down, and bitch about it down the local with their mates.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 02:02:41 PM
You started off saying a Junior team was a good idea. Now you're not so sure. You'd argue with your own shadow

I can't see what harm a Junior team would do. In my opinion, it's better than going back to a very mediocre standard of football, which is what League football in Laois is. It's hard enough to motivate lads for that, never mind doing so off the back of full commitment to Laois
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 02:10:00 PM
You started off saying a Junior team was a good idea. Now you're not so sure. You'd argue with your own shadow
A junior team IS a good idea. Its just not the solution to any real problem. You think it's the silver bullet. You think every county that passed us out is because they have junior teams. I simply proved it wasn't. Fine, it couldn't do any harm. But, if we lose the first round, the players will still be back with their clubs, so it really won't take us anywhere tangible.
Tangible growth  will come from the players knuckling down and taking their own development into their own hands. If they require further and greater assistance, I firmly believe direction would be forthcoming from the management. But personal responsibility will go a long way.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 02:14:34 PM
I never argued that it was the panacea, just that it was a good idea. I've always thought it and always will. It makes no sense to have 41 players fighting for 15 places. You might as we let everyone in as discard 7 or 8.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
I never argued that it was the panacea, just that it was a good idea. I've always thought it and always will. It makes no sense to have 41 players fighting for 15 places. You might as we let everyone in as discard 7 or 8.
There's not 41, there's 35. Six players are currently injured, and replacements for them are required until they are fit and available to fight for their own place. And thats not counting Donie, who is weeks away from fitness.
Most counties will carry a panel of 30+.
You can't have everyone in there, and it does lads no favours to have them sitting on their holes, when they could be getting match practice with their clubs. Also its unfair to the clubs to have 50 players in a county panel. Also a 50 man county panel would be insane for any number of reasons.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 02:20:44 PM
Not if you had a Junior team. Just saying
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 24, 2018, 02:22:25 PM
Go sell crazy some place else, we're all stocked up here.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 24, 2018, 02:29:34 PM
What's crazy about it? Most counties around us are doing it. If the numbers are there, it makes sense. If they weren't, it wouldn't.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 24, 2018, 02:31:55 PM
Looks like Begley Strong Donoher Timmons Lillis will all not make the team sunday.....

Add Quigley and O connor to that who are injured....Its going to be a very young side!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 24, 2018, 02:41:10 PM
Yes it certainly will be a different looking 15 . Can Munnelly starting with Glynn at full back and Timmons at centre back judging by training this week .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
Would anyone on this forum have any idea how good Limerick or Waterford footballers would be ?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 24, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
Looks like Begley Strong Donoher Timmons Lillis will all not make the team sunday.....

Add Quigley and O connor to that who are injured....Its going to be a very young side!
are the first 5 injured? If not, why would he not use their experience?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 24, 2018, 06:21:27 PM
how good are limerick footballers?

well in the munster championship last year, Limerick ran Clare to the pin of their collars, losing by one point....the same Clare team that travelled to Portlaois for the qualifiers and made a laugh of Laois.
9/2 Limerick for this game against a rebuilding Laois is an insult. I would happily take a one point win this minute and move on. We have got into a very bad habit of losing, these last two years and there is no guarantee we will snap out of it in division 4.

I think limerick plus 5 points with boyles is some bet.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 06:43:45 PM
Yeah but are Limerick not down a few guys this year ?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 24, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
2 limerick veterans have retired...regular full back McCarthy and buckley who was a sub for most of last season. 14 of the 15 that started against clare in the championship in ennis are available for selection...in effect they have nearly a full squad at their disposal.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 24, 2018, 10:25:32 PM
Is the Limerick centre back/ captain not on Army duties ?? Corbett I think?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on January 24, 2018, 10:44:33 PM
Limerick manager Billy Lee has named a 33-man squad ahead of next Saturday's Allianz Football League Division 4 opener against Laois.

The panel shows a number of changes from last year with Monaleen's Donal O'Sullivan taking over the captaincy from Iain Corbett, who will miss the league due to a tour of duty with the Irish army in Lebanon. Sean O'Dea and Paul White are the vice-captains.

Limerick (Allianz Football League panel): Shane Doherty, David Connolly, Davy Lyons and Robbie Bourke (all Adare), Jim Lison, Tommy Griffin and Colm McSweeney (all Gerald Griffins), Daniel Daly, David Ward and Eoin Joy (all Fr Caseys), Donal O'Sullivan and Shane Cusack (both Monaleen), Paul White and Mickey Morrissey (both Rathkeale), Tony McCarthy and Peter Nash (both Kildimo-Pallaskenry), Garett Noonan and Cillian Fahy (both Dromcollogher-Broadford), Darragh Treacy and Sean McSweeney (both St Kierans), Patrick Begley and Killian Ryan (both Mungret), James Brouder (Mountcollins), Sean O'Dea (Kilteely-Dromkeen), Brian Fanning (Pallasgreen), Edward Sheehy (Granagh-Ballingarry), Josh Ryan (Oola), Seamus O'Carroll (Castleknock, Dublin), Jamie Lee (Newcastle West), Padraig Scanlon (Glin), Padraig De Bruin (Firies, Kerry), Danny Neville (Ballysteen), Kieran Daly (Na Piarsaigh).
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: justinn on January 24, 2018, 10:52:56 PM
Limerick team v Clare 2017
LIMERICK: Donal O’ Sullivan, Daniel Daly, Johnny McCarthy, Seán O’Dea, Paul White, Iain Corbett (C), Brian Fanning; Darragh Treacy, David Ward; Peter Nash, James Naughton, Garrett Noonan; Seamus O’Carroll, Danny Neville, Ger Collins
Subs: Josh Ryan for Ward (42), Seán McSweeney for Nash (46), Jamie Lee for Naughton (57), Tony McCarthy for Daniel Daly (60), Padraig Scanlon for Collins (62), Padraig Quinn for O’Carroll (67).
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 25, 2018, 10:59:09 AM
Make no mistake Limerick will be a big test considering where we are coming from .Saying that 16 players that were on last years panel are no longer involved with half of there panel this year facing into inter-county football for the first time ! That's a major transition if there ever was one .
Didn't see Ian Ryan's name on that panel ..? Good potent forward over the years .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 25, 2018, 11:59:12 AM
Limerick have a very young outfit out - light and pacey. It'll be a tough test but if we have an experienced team named, I think that experience will stand to us. Would like to see our team named before making a prediction though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 25, 2018, 02:05:40 PM
We would also like to see the Limerick team named too Tony before making a prediction 😂
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 25, 2018, 02:19:15 PM
Donal O’Sullivan Monaleen (Captain)
Gareth Noonan Dromcollogher Broadford.
Sean O’Dea Kilteely Dromkeen
David Connolly Adare
Paul White Rathkeale
Cillian Fahy Dromcollogher Broadford
Jim Liston Gearld Griffins
Darragh Treacy St Kieran’s
Brian Fanning Pallasgreen
Daniel Daly Fr Caseys
Peter Nash Kildimo Pallaskenry
Danny Neville Ballysteen
Tony McCarthy Kildimo Pallaskenry
Padraig Scanlon Glin
Jamie Lee Newcastle West

James Brouder Mountcollins 17. Shane Doherty Adare 18. Edward Sheehy Granagh-Ballingarry 19. Colm McSweeney Gerald Griffins 20. David Ward Fr Caseys 21. Tommy Griffin Gerald Griffins 22. Seamus O’Carroll Castleknock 23. Robbie Bourke Adare 24. Sean McSweeney St Kieran’s 25. Pádraig De Brún Firies 26. Kieran Daly Na Piarsaigh

14 of them are from Senior Clubs. They’re very young and in a very similar position to us. Ryan isn’t involved.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 25, 2018, 02:23:40 PM
Anyone from Limerick want to shed some light on this team?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: LooseCannon on January 25, 2018, 05:40:38 PM
Make no mistake Limerick will be a big test considering where we are coming from .Saying that 16 players that were on last years panel are no longer involved with half of there panel this year facing into inter-county football for the first time ! That's a major transition if there ever was one .
Didn't see Ian Ryan's name on that panel ..? Good potent forward over the years .

Ryan is gone to the Lebanon on a tour of duty with the army.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 25, 2018, 09:34:44 PM
Some amount of league debutants in the 15 named. A new era has certainly begun. Best of luck to them all.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 25, 2018, 09:44:34 PM
Yup, lot of new faces, no harm though, ideally we can't afford to be experimenting when we are looking to get promotion but we've ignored it for a long time. I would imagine the next game will see a few more changes again
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on January 25, 2018, 09:52:11 PM
Just seen the laois team for the weekend definitely a totally new team and set up best of luck to John and his team for the weekend I’m looking forward to the game
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 25, 2018, 10:13:57 PM
Is it a secret
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 25, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
Brody

Holland, Nerney, Fennel,

Collins, attride, clowrey,

J'OL and O Reilly,

Farrell, Paul K, Glynn,

Lowry, Walsh, Dowling
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on January 25, 2018, 10:31:59 PM
That seems a very brave team selection. I hope it goes very well for them. I think he is right because in my opinion, building a new team is more important than promotion in Sugrue's first year.

I hope his bravery is rewarded with a win.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 25, 2018, 10:34:12 PM
Thanks, brave team to go with looks like he’s going to build a new team regardless.

Best of luck we really need this to work out.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: theoldvet on January 25, 2018, 10:49:10 PM
Fair play to the Manager, A big risk
Win or Lose  I like it,
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 25, 2018, 11:01:48 PM
Outstanding. There'll be bumps and pitfalls along the way, but this needs doing, and they need to be backed. Good man John.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laois fan on January 26, 2018, 08:56:50 AM
While im all for introducing new players ,id be slightly worried about playing so many at the one time especially in the backline
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 26, 2018, 09:43:10 AM
He's hanging his hat on these new faces. Good luck to him. It will probably suffice against limerick and he will learn who is up to the step up and who is not.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 26, 2018, 11:14:08 AM
I agree Don, if it goes wrong we are going to have to man up behind Sugrue.  What he is trying to do is ballsy,  but could go badly wrong.  Fingers crossed that all goes well as it's high risk stuff. 

Exactly what constitutes a good year this year for Sugrue ?  Thoughts please
Personally Decent Showing Div 4 hopefully promotion
Championship Leinster Semi and be in the game with Kildare regardless of result

Most important Green Shoots
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on January 26, 2018, 11:31:08 AM
i hope john does well results are what defines managers so please god he gets off to a winning start,,it wont be easy but i act dont know one person on that limerick team so im sure will be in with a shout
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Rover on January 26, 2018, 11:34:08 AM
fair play to the management team for selecting so many new players, I think this is a correct and brave selection. Win or not on Saturday night we should all get behind this team and current setup and hopefully a new team and a new era for Laois football will emerge. we do not expect miracles, from such a new team but we do hope to see progress as the league campaign goes on and hope to get promotion if not this year certainly next season.
best of luck to all involved and thank you for your commitment to the county.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 26, 2018, 12:00:42 PM
Very interesting looking team. Pretty much a new starting 15 apart from a few positions. Surprised we're not seeing a few more familiar faces to tighten up the team sheet, but at the same time, excited to see all of the inexperienced players play - this will be a top test for all. This isn't exactly a vintage Limerick team either and it's two very new sides for both. Win or lose, we'll find out a lot about what we have on Saturday. Hoping we have a game plan & don't just look like we never played together before, that would be a dissappointment, regardless of result. I have trust in John and the setup & will give it time, eitherway, and we must remember that we're building from a lowpoint and now is a time to be patient. The likes of Lowry are on top form at the moment with his college, looking forward to seeing how he does. Also looking forward to seeing how everyone else is doing, especially Holland, Glynn and young Crowley from Emo.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 26, 2018, 12:11:16 PM
Rory Delaney has a very good write up about about the year ahead, here :

https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/293484/preview-road-to-redemption-starts-here-as-laois-footballers-begin-life-in-division-4.html
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on January 26, 2018, 12:57:33 PM
May I draw peoples attention to this paragraph

His comments after the second O'Byrne Cup game were telling as well. While the players all might like him, he offers no indication that he isn't prepared to speak bluntly to the panel, regardless of seniority. “A lot of the most positive fellas so far are the newcomers as far as I’m concerned. They’ve shown a real freshness and a real appetite for this thing and they really want to play for Laois. So a lot of the newcomers are looking good at the moment for us.” Those were his words after the loss to Westmeath in their second O'Byrne Cup meeting, and the message was clear - he was looking for freshness and appetite.

We've tried and failed repeatedly with the "experienced players" being spoken of. While a bit of it may be useful in many ways, in other ways these players, most notably in the league last year, have shown crippling inability to get over the line. They're not bad players, so the mental issue must be addressed at this point.  But from what I seen of the matches I've attended so far, is that not too many were putting their hands up all that high, and on or two were way off. If the younger ones are chomping at the bit, then let them off the leash.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on January 26, 2018, 07:57:38 PM
Based on what I know about those selected, particularly in the backs, there's a work rate in them all as individuals. We can only hope that they gel and work hard for each other. As Don said above, there'll be hiccups along the way, but they deserve our support because they wouldn't be there if they didn't care about Laois. I wish them luck and would advise them to work as hard for each other as they possibly can. I say that particularly to our forwards who in recent years have allowed far too much pressure to be heaped on our back line
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 27, 2018, 01:07:33 PM
Based on what I know about those selected, particularly in the backs, there's a work rate in them all as individuals. We can only hope that they gel and work hard for each other. As Don said above, there'll be hiccups along the way, but they deserve our support because they wouldn't be there if they didn't care about Laois. I wish them luck and would advise them to work as hard for each other as they possibly can. I say that particularly to our forwards who in recent years have allowed far too much pressure to be heaped on our back line
I agree but I don't think they will get away with not working in the forwards with John Sugrue. This man has started out with a good attitude and hopefully it will carry over to the players.

Not starting Donie is a huge statement of intent from him and no matter who you are you wont be getting anything handy this year.

Tonight will tell us a bit more about a few lads and the management team but we have to be patient and remember just where we're coming from. Really looking forward to this one tonight.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on January 27, 2018, 03:27:08 PM
Donnie is part of a strong bench along with Begley Lillis o munnely Donoher Carroll Mecevoy x2 Dillon Jaime farrel. Lots of injuries so id imagine he is fit player 26.
Best of luck to all involved great to see this many debuts its a statement of intent. Plus alot of experience on the bench to settle things if needed
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 27, 2018, 03:49:09 PM
Another era starts... Let's go....


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Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 27, 2018, 08:46:47 PM
Very good result tonight, was slightly anxious how we would fare with such a young team. We really should push on now and look to take the group, Leitrim next week will be a tougher test
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on January 27, 2018, 09:27:16 PM
Delighted with the result all lads gave it their all

Div 4 at times won’t be straight forward as proven tonight they had to tough it out
Good to see a system in place
Thought the full back line did great.....so sorry for Attride
Laois abú
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Rover on January 27, 2018, 09:47:35 PM
good result.
the most pleasing aspect was the way all of the laois players tackled and harassed the
Limerick players when they had possession. full back line were not really tested but to a man they did what they had to do. O'Reilly at midfield has some pace and will improve as the year goes on.looking  forward to the next few rounds and to see how the squad progress and develop.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 27, 2018, 10:14:21 PM
Great win well done to team and management.
There will be setbacks but a good start as they say.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on January 27, 2018, 10:41:21 PM
Great to win with such a young team. I hope John Sugrue continues to build. Promotion would be a nice bonus. Leitrim next day out will be tough, but a win would set us up well for the next home match against Waterford. Thought O'Reilly in midfield was impressive. Evan O'Carroll seemed to improve things when he came on as well.

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on January 27, 2018, 10:51:53 PM
Good win but Limerick were dreadful. As poor as you'll ever see.
Great to see new lads in action. Not all of them will make it but isn't that what Division 4 is for? To see if lads are up to it.
O'Reilly looked good. Walsh we know can be brilliant if he holds his head. Disappointed with Farrell, Lowry, Holland. Good to see O'Carroll in for 25 minutes or so.
I think with the likes of Donie, Timmons, Quigley, Murphy of Port who's a serious footballer to come in, we'll walk Division 4.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on January 27, 2018, 11:51:07 PM
SCFC I think your getting a bit excited there it's only day 1 against what may turn out to be the weakest team In this years Div4. Job done we move on . Nothing to get too excited about. When Donie comes back he will add a lot. I suppose now he probably plays the same 15 in Leitrim??
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 28, 2018, 12:10:15 AM
We certainly wont walk Div.4 and its that kind of attitude that has us in the division in the first place. We as supporters seem to think we are better than we really are and should be challenging for Sam every year but the fact is we are a Div.4 team and for the first half we looked every bit of it.

We are definitely far fitter than last year at this time but our football was dreadful in that first half. Our defending was good and saved us from being behind on the scoreboard at half time but our forward play left a lot to be desired. Lads seem to be afraid to shoot when the opportunity arises and on several occasions we passed ourselves into trouble when a shot was on. I don't think we let one ball into Gary Walsh in the first half, instead we preferred to recycle across the field and backwards on most occasions and that will have to change if we are going to get out of this division.

The second half was way better with more direct play at times which brought about a few good scores. The first ball that got sent in early resulted in a good pass from Finbar Crowley and he passed to Gary Walsh who scored a good goal. Then another early ball from Evan to Gary brought a great point from him almost immediately after the goal. That seemed to settle us down and we played some great football after that. Daniel O'Reilly could be a big player for us this year and has some burst of speed in him. Midfield seems to suit him as when he plays on the wing he runs into blind alleys a lot and looses possession which he did again on a few occasions tonight. But his work rate and running off the ball was great as was most of the lads to be honest. He will only improve with time and looks a great find for the county.

The subs made a big difference which is something I haven't seen for many a year with Laois footballers so its great to have a strong panel. We even had Donie sitting on the bench if needed but he didn't get the call tonight. Overall I was happy with the display and we really can give this Div. a good rattle if we continue to improve as much as we did we did as the game went on tonight.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 28, 2018, 08:48:29 AM
A decent win against poor opposition . I think we could see a lot of this in this division . The standard is not going to be high let's face it and building momentum through wins is championship preparation .Hopefully as the league progresses we can build and raise our performance levels but it won't be easy when teams like limerick and Waterford put out blanket defences something Wexford or Kildare won't be doing against us come summer .
Nevertheless two points on the board was vital and it'll be interesting to see how our full back line will cope in Carrick next Sunday .
Danny O'Reilly was good and has got pace to burn along with a good positional sense . Walsh now needs to replicate last nights performance next week and I think he is capable . Paul Kingston worked hard throughout maybe at times trying to much .
I was a little disappointed by Lowry , expected more from particularly after his college exploits . Can see O Carroll starting next week !
Anyone hear how serious Attrides injury is ? 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: town1980 on January 28, 2018, 10:32:26 AM
It’s a results game business and the team and management got the result so we’ll done onwards and upwards in my eyes ...they blooded a lot of players on what was a sad week for the gaa community..a lot of the unknown players showed up very well.. keep up the good work
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 28, 2018, 01:06:17 PM
Overall happy with the performance but I must admit, at times it was a slightly nervy experience as Limerick had a couple of chances to really change the outlook of the game against the run of play. They were poor and had some woeful misses – the most noteable being a free missed from 14 yards and straight in front of the posts in the first half. Kicking it into the keeper’s hands from there is inexcusable at this level.

In any event, it was a very positive start for us, considering that the line-up was very young and inexperienced. The fact that we really pulled away, only after some stalwards were introduced near the end, speaks volumes really about their experience and knowledge of how to open teams like this up. We needed that added bite up front to convert some chances and split them open through running at them and creating space. Having said that, I really do believe that we saw some very promising new starters for Laois last night. My player ratings were as follows:


Brody – 7. Didn’t do anything wrong and those runs out of defence are actually useful as it provides a free man to run off the man in possession. The only criticism I have is when he goes into the opposition half. To be fair to Brody he’s good on the ball and quick, but if we lose possession & he’s in the wing forward position, that’s just asking for trouble, in my opinion. I really do think we have one of the best and most progressive keepers in the country though, he just might need a bit of refinement as those runs are a bit wild sometimes.

D Holland – 6.5. Again, didn’t do much wrong and wasn’t really tested but a few times I did note him running aimlessly around when near a Laois man in possession, instead of purposelfully making himself available as a pass option.

S Nerney – 7.0 Comfortable in possession, quick and a big lad. Needs to fill out a bit more perhaps but definitely a good option going forward. Not really tested as Limerick forwards were a bit toothless.

Fennell – 7.0. Good in possession and solid all round.

T Collins – 6.5. Solid enough but wasn't tested.

Attride – Wasn’t on long enough but a pity for our captain to go off so early. To me, it looked like he tweaked his hamstring so he may be out for 2 – 4 weeks before he trains properly again.

F Crowley – 7 Solid performance.

JOL – 7.5 Typical JOL performance. Gave his all and was one of our best performers. Good in possession and good support play.

D O Reilly – 8 – Great performance by Danny, very quick, looked very fit and agile,  on this form will be a regular for us, midfield seems to suit him. Nice to have that speed around the middle of the field as JOL and Quigley aren’t speed merchants.

A Farrell – 6. Was a bit disappointed with Alan, looked very rusty and not very confident with the ball. Will likely improve a lot.

P Kingston – 7 Good performance all round but can do better with some decision making and shot selection.

B Glynn – 5. Poor all round from brian and he looked very disappointed with his performance. Has potential but didn’t have a good game. He fielded a ball superbly at one point only to kick it 10 metres to the opposition. Looked rusty but should be given more time.

E Lowry – 7 Looked very good in spells, has decent speed, needs to be more clinical and improve decision making but definitely has very good potential.

G Walsh – 8.5 – Head an shoulders above any other forward on the field, showed his class and took his scores very well.

Dowling – 6 – Had a quiet game, took his point well but fairly quiet otherwise. He will hope to get on more ball next time out.

Begley – 7.5. Very solid and assured game for Colm and was a great sub to have to Attride. Great playmaker and covers the whole field. Looks fit and hungry.

E O Carroll – 7. Evan made a positive impact when he came on. Got on a lot of ball and was good in possession. He will be looking for a starting place.

Other subs not on long enough to rate. Overall, a positive start to the League, especially in the context of so many new faces and an inexperienced team. Lots to look forward to, with plenty of lads to come back, and a lot of good headaches for Sugrue given that a lot of the new lads are showing up, working very hard and making a good claim for their starting spot.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 28, 2018, 02:54:48 PM
Great to get the result and a 9 point win is as good as you could ask for however it has to be taken into context. It's Div 4 football and Limercik were poor enough.  Gary was flying in the second half last night but one thing he won't be is consistent. He is one of the best forwards in the Div though when he does put his mind to it. The same failings are there with regard to turning possession into scores with a lot of efforts falling into the keepers arms or being sent wide.
As long as Laois learn from each game and continue to improve it bodes well and for the new comers Div 4 will work t otheir advantage in getting game time and confidence.
Laois should have too much for most of the teams in Div 4 and really should be looking at being in the mix at the end of the league.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 28, 2018, 03:08:47 PM
Great Result, move on from here and hopefully get out Div 4.  Limerick were poor
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 28, 2018, 05:30:03 PM
Limerick were like a poor junior club side. Easily the worst team inter county team bar Kilkenny I have ever seen.

Of the 'new' lads, Nerney, O'Reilly showed well. Hard to tell about some of the others as they weren't properly tested. It was nice to see the impact the younger lads pace had defensively where they were able to get up in the oppositions face and tackle without fouling.

I thought John O'Loughlin had a disappointing game. He slows the game down too much and was responsible for much of the sideways play in the first half. He also fouled much too often. If only he could keep the ball moving forward. I'm a fan generally but thought he didn't show great yesterday.

Sugrue spoke very well again afterwards.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on January 28, 2018, 06:06:42 PM
Blue and white - when you refer to Sugrue speaking well about if afterwards, I presume you were listening to radio 3 live? I don't see any links to audio from his press interview afterwards online. Would like to hear.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on January 28, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
In my opinion I'd have brendan quigley in the middle instead of o Loughlin, he could be utilised well at centre back or maybe even centre forward?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 28, 2018, 06:28:22 PM
Blue and white - when you refer to Sugrue speaking well about if afterwards, I presume you were listening to radio 3 live? I don't see any links to audio from his press interview afterwards online. Would like to hear.

Yes, he was on live when I got into the car. Interestingly, he referred to the first half as being more like Laois have got into the habit of playing over the last few years - side to side and backwards. He also spoke about the deliberate injection of pace into the team. He seems a very shrewd observer of what is happening on the field. I'm sure midlands 103 will stick it on their twitter feed at some point.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on January 28, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
Decent performance, second half a lot better direct running instead ofor backwards & sideways stuff. I thought all players put a solid shift. Workrate of all players was good. Stand outs for me crowley, o'reilly, Kingston & Walsh. Only negative was sending off but you'll get that.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 29, 2018, 09:32:35 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/29/manager-sugrue-impressed-debutantes/ (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/01/29/manager-sugrue-impressed-debutantes/)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 30, 2018, 01:11:01 AM
I enjoyed the win and i think we will get better ..

Dicey was superb and walsh looked in great shape

Next week will be a far tougher task

But very positive signs of the
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on January 30, 2018, 08:20:02 AM
I enjoyed the win and i think we will get better ..

Dicey was superb and walsh looked in great shape

Next week will be a far tougher task

But very positive signs of the

No it won't Limerick would be classified as second or third best team in Div 4,  it was just a sign of how dire Div 4 is. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on January 30, 2018, 10:48:51 AM
I'd agree with that. Antrim gave Leitrim a bit of a trimming. As bad as we might think we are if we play any way close to our potential we should  be looking at top 2 minimum. Div 4 is poor and Carlow and Antrim will probably give us the toughest tests and we have Antrim in Portlaoise.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 30, 2018, 11:34:18 AM
Agree . Leitrim are all over the place at the moment with numerous first choice players deciding not to play under the management they have . Along with Waterford I'd expect us to dispose of those two comfortably . Carlow will be by far the toughest especially physically and they seem to have all there club players pulling in the one direction with the county now . Antrim likewise will a serious test .
Both them and Carlow are at our level . I really don't know what to expect in London . They have all home ties so they should get some momentum going in Ruislip .
I'd expect changes this weekend , through injuries and perhaps a positional ones .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on January 30, 2018, 12:14:52 PM
I enjoyed the win and i think we will get better ..

Dicey was superb and walsh looked in great shape

Next week will be a far tougher task

But very positive signs of the

Don't know what Leitrim  are like but Limerick supporters think their worst for years.

No it won't Limerick would be classified as second or third best team in Div 4,  it was just a sign of how dire Div 4 is.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on January 30, 2018, 12:35:21 PM
I enjoyed the win and i think we will get better ..

Dicey was superb and walsh looked in great shape

Next week will be a far tougher task

But very positive signs of the

No it won't Limerick would be classified as second or third best team in Div 4,  it was just a sign of how dire Div 4 is.

Limerick were poor and their shocking misses in front of goal only rubber stamped that but we left them in the game as we have done with so many teams in recent years Wicklow antrim etc etc....

At least we got the win and I think Leitrim will be a tougher task at the weekend despite missing a few players....

Carrick on shannon on a windy and wet day will not be easy.

We went up there in 2012 under Justin mcnulty with a star studded team that was going places and only won by 2 points I think??
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 30, 2018, 12:57:47 PM
we were in one way flattered by the 9 points win last Saturday, and if the Limerick  forward had goaled instead of hitting the post in the 60th minute then the game would most certainly have gone down to the wire.

the positives is that we do look fitter, we at least seemed to have some fuel left in the last 5 minutes, as compared to last year when we were often on fumes in the last 15 minutes.

I sense fans at least see an element of reality with sugrue. he knows the laois scene and realises that we do have to rebuild and what we may find is that division 4, albeit, bottom of the barrel stuff, is less punishing for rebuilding projects. I read on the main forum of this board, that Sligo, a bit like ourselves are on a rebuild, and look how they suffered in div 3 last sunday at the hands of Armagh.

I read elsewhere on this thread that a good season would consist of gaining promotion to div 3 and getting to a leinster semi final against Kildare. The former is achievable, the latter target is, as of now, a big ask. I think Westmeath are a long way ahead of us, possible at the peak of their current squad and spearheaded by a marquee forward. They along with Wexford are div 3 sides, and it would be quite some achievement to beat both to get to a leinster semi final, not impossible, a tough ask.

as for this sunday, I was in Carrick the last two times Laois played there, that qualifier victory over Leitrim and the qualifier defeat to Donegal the next year. From memory, it is a tight pitch with a pronounced scoring goal(road end).  Leitrim have a limited squad, however they do bring a local pride and passion to proceedings especially when playing in Carrick. I see they beat Sligo a fortnight ago in that Connaught league. So they deserve respect. In fact, if a transitional squad, such as ours, takes any of these div 4 sides for granted, then we may pay a price.

Again, I would be happy to win 12 points to 10 and travel back east with the 2 points in the bag.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on January 30, 2018, 01:37:48 PM
I can't see anything but a convincing win Sunday even with us in this major transitional period . Leitrim are a long way from the team that we played against in the qualifiers under McNulty .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on February 01, 2018, 11:59:21 AM
I presume same starting 15, maybe donoher will get in ahead of dowling.. I'd like to see same 15 start.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Owenmoresider on February 01, 2018, 12:28:04 PM
we were in one way flattered by the 9 points win last Saturday, and if the Limerick  forward had goaled instead of hitting the post in the 60th minute then the game would most certainly have gone down to the wire.

the positives is that we do look fitter, we at least seemed to have some fuel left in the last 5 minutes, as compared to last year when we were often on fumes in the last 15 minutes.

I sense fans at least see an element of reality with sugrue. he knows the laois scene and realises that we do have to rebuild and what we may find is that division 4, albeit, bottom of the barrel stuff, is less punishing for rebuilding projects. I read on the main forum of this board, that Sligo, a bit like ourselves are on a rebuild, and look how they suffered in div 3 last sunday at the hands of Armagh.

I read elsewhere on this thread that a good season would consist of gaining promotion to div 3 and getting to a leinster semi final against Kildare. The former is achievable, the latter target is, as of now, a big ask. I think Westmeath are a long way ahead of us, possible at the peak of their current squad and spearheaded by a marquee forward. They along with Wexford are div 3 sides, and it would be quite some achievement to beat both to get to a leinster semi final, not impossible, a tough ask.

as for this sunday, I was in Carrick the last two times Laois played there, that qualifier victory over Leitrim and the qualifier defeat to Donegal the next year. From memory, it is a tight pitch with a pronounced scoring goal(road end).  Leitrim have a limited squad, however they do bring a local pride and passion to proceedings especially when playing in Carrick. I see they beat Sligo a fortnight ago in that Connaught league. So they deserve respect. In fact, if a transitional squad, such as ours, takes any of these div 4 sides for granted, then we may pay a price.

Again, I would be happy to win 12 points to 10 and travel back east with the 2 points in the bag.
No we beat them by ten points, as did Antrim last week. Carrick isn't the easiest place for visiting teams over the years and is a tight pitch alright but they have slipped a lot from the team ye'd have beaten there in 2012, so I don't imagine ye will have too much trouble on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on February 01, 2018, 12:59:14 PM
Any news on attride injury? Begley probably start for him.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 01, 2018, 04:54:50 PM
Any news on attride injury? Begley probably start for him.

Bad enough hammer strain I'm hearing a few weeks at least
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: From the Terrace on February 01, 2018, 05:08:19 PM
we should have enough cover to get through a few of games without him. I have a feeling we will see more support for this years team more clubs represented and looks like a good young manager. Have to say Sugrue speaks very well. A successful year is promotion and a championship win for me anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 02, 2018, 05:28:17 PM
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Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Bamford1995 on February 02, 2018, 09:46:07 PM
An unchanged team named from the Limerick game apart from Attride, Begley is in
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helix on February 02, 2018, 10:39:23 PM
An unchanged team named from the Limerick game apart from Attride, Begley is in

O’Carroll in for Dowling aswell. Hopefully a decent score got and forwards start clicking.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: les Antiques on February 02, 2018, 10:55:35 PM
Good team .. think Surge will bring the best out of O'Carrol ! Think the big test is ahead of us ...... carlow and Antrim .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 02, 2018, 11:14:35 PM
Yea, nice to see he's sticking with most of the lads who did the job last week, sends out a good message to the squad

 https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/02/02/two-changes-laois-football-team-ahead-trip-leitrim/
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 04, 2018, 06:59:04 PM
John Sugrue post Leitrim:

https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/john-sugrue-post-leitrim
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The Rover on February 04, 2018, 07:01:15 PM
Just home from the game in Carrick on Shannon
first fifteen minutes of each half Laois showed some improvement from Last week, they were much more direct and played with a purpose. Could have and should have been out of sight before half time and went in 5 points up after the first half, leitrim missed a penalty(saved by Briody) so we could have been only 2 points up.
Ehe second halv for fifteen to twenty minutes we took complete control of the game and at the same time missed at least 4 very score-able goal chances, and had a lead of 14 points at one stage, then we invited Leitrim back into the game Briody made one of his trips up the field and ended up beside the Leitrim goalkeeper. Leitrim broke and senced a chance and punished Laois with a goal after that Leitrim out scored Laois 3 goals and 3 points to 4 points, Laois looked in a lot of trouble when Leitrim run at them.
Full back line Fennell showed well and Nurney at times the half back line were all at sea at times Midfield J.O'L. held his own and the pitch did not suit the running from O'Reilly (he will undoubtably have many better Days. The two wing forwards could have contributed more they lost a lot of good Poscession. Paul Kingston overall had a good game. Walsh and O'Carroll both had good games and when Munnelly was introduced he created a lot of space which Laois should have made more on the score board from. Good experience for the younger Players but when Laois have a team on the rack they need to be more ruthless and drive on. The management possibly Learnt more about the team than the did in the whole game against Limerick and the first 45 minutes against Leitrim. another two points on the board with an away win so we can look forward to next week. Well done to all and it is great to see such hard work been done by all to the cause.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 04, 2018, 07:20:32 PM
A win is a win. Should have been far more as our forwards really had the run on their backs. The sloppiness in a 15 minute spell in the second half allowed them to be a lot closer than they should have been. You could blame it on the changes which resulted in the complete lack of shape but brody's  run and loss of ball which resulted in Begley getting injured and them getting a goal gave them a kick start. This resulted them attacking in waves and a further two goals followed. Sugure in his interview didn't seem to worried about the turnover, blaming more on a mistake on the forwards but you would have to wonder why is your keeper near the opposition goals. There are problems to work on, the looseness of the defence and the kicking of wides before carlow and Antrim are encountered and it. Not a great day for the defence. Fennell was solid and Collins took his goal well. Begley saved our bacon a few times and wasn't bad at full back, his man did score a few. I have no idea what the plan with Holland was. He lined out at centre back and appeared to follow his man around the field. Dillon was ok but nerney had a tough day, played his man from the front and got caught several times.  It's brace when it works out. The changes made the defence worse off. Jol was our only source of kickouts till Lillis came on. Reilly was cleaned by a much bigger man especially in the second half. He is athletic but is not a midfielder. Paul Kingston was good, not a good day for Glynn, while you could say Farrell tried hard. Again the changes here did not improve things. At different stages the full forward line did well. Realistically and mentioned in the interview they could and probably should have had a bigger score. Ross came on and bagged two points and will be putting Lowry under pressure who isn't sparkling at this level like he is doing at sigersion. We will need Timmons and attride back. No sign of Kingston yet but colm murphy did a heavy session before the game. Interesting to hear what others thought of sugure' s comments about Kingston
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 04, 2018, 08:51:08 PM
Interesting to hear what others thought of sugure' s comments about Kingston
No f**king beating around the bush there, message sent out loud and clear. Cant beat it.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 04, 2018, 09:49:28 PM
The message from John Sugrue is very clear, and its the right attitude. Its entirely up to Donie now. I wonder will he knuckle down? There must be a big doubt that he will.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 04, 2018, 09:53:57 PM
Not long home had few pints after it with few laois die hards ...not easy for the lads not drinking and driving us home with our merry analyses  ha ha

 hard to know what to make of that game ...when we were in full flow we looked levels above them ..

When we got sloppy we looked like a team short on confidence and a game plan

Brody summed it up ...an unreal peno save when we were well on top ,but taking the ball up that far and loosing it gave them hope although to be fair to him he is probably one of our  more pacey attacking options .

The Begley injury shook the team and we were sloppy in that period .


Plus points
Walsh is on fire
Jol was solid and looks focused
Collins was good

P kingston is becoming more influential

Lills and munnelly were decent and have much to offer

We need timmons and attride back in the backs .

Darren strong could becan option at half forward give Brody more options from the kickout

Happy with another win in what is a horrible little ground

Roll on home advantage next week
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 04, 2018, 09:58:12 PM
The message from John Sugrue is very clear, and its the right attitude. Its entirely up to Donie now. I wonder will he knuckle down? There must be a big doubt that he will.
Its time for Donie to realise that the ship is sailing on his potential. Its time to get on board, or be another great "what if". No one can do it for him. There'll be no more smoke blown up his hole. This is big boy shit now.

In a not unrelated piece, worth a read

http://www.the42.ie/robbie-cannon-laois-3831467-Feb2018/?utm_source=shortlink
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 04, 2018, 10:45:31 PM
Actually think it is a bit amateurish for John to call out Donie publicly. No harm behind closed doors but not great man management to mention in an interview.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 04, 2018, 10:52:54 PM
Actually think it is a bit amateurish for John to call out Donie publicly. No harm behind closed doors but not great man management to mention in an interview.
Bullshit. More of the mollycoddling. We love a bit of that here in Laois.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: steven seagal on February 04, 2018, 10:59:39 PM
Donie is back near enough a month at this stage. I can't imagine Sugrue hasn't said it to him in person already. If he's not getting the reaction he needs out of him, then he has to try whatever means available to get him going. It's not like he slated him anyway, he just said he needs to work harder in training.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 05, 2018, 11:08:03 AM
Hard for donie to make up all that ground probably feels like a struggle and the body language might not be right but it will come and when it does what a boost it will be if him Walsh and O'Carroll can all click its a decent forward line with Paul Kingston and Paul cahilanne to come!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 05, 2018, 11:36:19 AM
Hard for donie to make up all that ground probably feels like a struggle and the body language might not be right but it will come and when it does what a boost it will be if him Walsh and O'Carroll can all click its a decent forward line with Paul Kingston and Paul cahilanne to come!

I hope you are right.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 05, 2018, 12:32:14 PM
I don't think Sugrue was disrespectful in the interview.

He said, regarding when Donie will return that "A lot of that will depend on Donie's application to training." That's fair enough in my book. He was asked a straight question and was given a straight answer. And it's a good healthy message to send to the entire panel. If you show up and give 100% in training and show the desire to play for Laois, you'll get your spot ahead of someone with a bigger reputation, but is giving much less.

At the end of the day, in a championship match when it's a draw match going into the last 5 minutes, the people you want in there are the lads who will give 100% to Laois.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 05, 2018, 12:34:49 PM
We are in Div 4, Gary Walsh, Paul Kingston or any player are going to look good if they are anywhere near county standard.  I like what Sugrue is doing, it would be hard for Donie to walk now.  By challenging him you may get the best out of someone that is out on his own as Laois best forward, but also putting your stamp on the whole setup.  I like it so far he is getting the big calls right.

It's very hard for Donie to walk now, once he came back in that game was up. 
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 05, 2018, 12:36:09 PM
Hard for donie to make up all that ground probably feels like a struggle and the body language might not be right but it will come and when it does what a boost it will be if him Walsh and O'Carroll can all click its a decent forward line with Paul Kingston and Paul cahilanne to come!

I hope you are right.
I would think a forward line containing both Kingstons, Cahillane and ocarroll might be a shade light on the work rate required in the modern game.
You have to have a very hard working.forwards. As someone said Strong could work at wing forward. Donoher is always a consistent wing forward too. I think O'Reilly could do a job there too.
Is Brian Daly involved at all?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
Sugrue is treating them like grown ups and asking them to react accordingly. Those who know will know how he’s handled the disciplinary issues so far, firm and fair. The players are being treated like adults, they know the score with him and there’s no grey areas. The cutting of the players was honest and well informed, especially Moore. Donie knew where he stood from the start and nothing’s changed.

I loved his handling of the Brody incident also, backed the player and is obviously empowering him as a leader.

I’ve said it before lads, we’ve a good one.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 05, 2018, 01:07:50 PM
Sugrue is treating them like grown ups and asking them to react accordingly. Those who know will know how he’s handled the disciplinary issues so far, firm and fair. The players are being treated like adults, they know the score with him and there’s no grey areas. The cutting of the players was honest and well informed, especially Moore. Donie knew where he stood from the start and nothing’s changed.

I loved his handling of the Brody incident also, backed the player and is obviously empowering him as a leader.

I’ve said it before lads, we’ve a good one.

Its easily done when your winning:)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 05, 2018, 01:10:02 PM
Sugrue is treating them like grown ups and asking them to react accordingly. Those who know will know how he’s handled the disciplinary issues so far, firm and fair. The players are being treated like adults, they know the score with him and there’s no grey areas. The cutting of the players was honest and well informed, especially Moore. Donie knew where he stood from the start and nothing’s changed.

I loved his handling of the Brody incident also, backed the player and is obviously empowering him as a leader.

I’ve said it before lads, we’ve a good one.

Its easily done when your winning:)
While its a weaker division than we're used to, are we winning because things are being done right? Chicken? Egg?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 05, 2018, 03:16:41 PM
I've no doubt things are being done right but we would have expected to win the first four games in this league handily enough. Carlow and Antrim look the only possible hurdles. Maybe London away will be a tricky one?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 05, 2018, 03:21:17 PM
Can't understand how Joseph's, Ballyroan and The Heath havent one player on the Laois panel, apart from an injured Denis Booth.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 05, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
Weaker division yes but with the turnover of players the last few years and so many bigger names missing or finished I think he has done a great job so far...

I'd love to see him get real time in the job if he wanted it and I think he could bring us back to Division 2 and get us competitive with the Kildares and Meath's in Leinster again!

He seems to have a bit of something about him and the respect of the players which is massive...

Sort of manager I would love to play for and impress if I could!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on February 05, 2018, 10:33:47 PM
Fair play to sugrue.. hes speaks well.. its only division 4 but we still have to go and do it ..
Donie has been a magnificent player for Laois but if hes not willing to put in the work
Hes no divine right to walk on to the team ..
If lads arent 100% into it .. best off without them .. that said i expect the most talented Laois player i have ever
Seen play to knuckle down and come good by chamionship time ..
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 05, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
I'm Happy enough with what I'm hearing from the camp. The main thing is lads are really interested in making this work and so is John.
You can't ask for much more than that at this stage.

I do think we will have to keep putting up big scores from now on and tighten up on our scores against as it could all come down to score difference to decide who goes up.

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Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 08, 2018, 11:15:32 AM
Laois team for Saturday


                                            Graham Brody (Portlaoise);
 
David Holland (Portlaoise), Shane Nerney (O’Dempsey’s), Ruaidhri C Fennell (Rosenallis)

Trevor Collins (Graiguecullen), Colm Begley (Stradbally), Gareth Dillon (Portlaoise)


                    John O’Loughlin (St Brigid’s, Dublin), Kieran Lillis (Portlaoise)



Alan Farrell (Ballylinan), Paul Kingston (Arles-Killeen), Danny O’Reilly (Graiguecullen)

Ross Munnelly (Arles-Kilcruise), Gary Walsh (Ballylinan), Evan O’Carroll (Crettyard).


https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/02/08/two-changes-laois-senior-footballers-ahead-waterford-clash/ (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/02/08/two-changes-laois-senior-footballers-ahead-waterford-clash/)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 08, 2018, 11:46:56 AM
God Munnelly deserves some credit for still making the side

I think we should win well on Saturday night but you can never count your chickens

Interesting to see how Liliis goes in midfield he is probably best suited to that position I hear he is flying it in training!


Looking for to seeing them in action now!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on February 08, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
I think its quite clear, If your going well in training you'll be playing if not you wont..... no matter who you are.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: High Fielder on February 08, 2018, 12:01:57 PM
I'd say Lillis will go centre back and Begley into midfield. Lillis, in my opinion, can only play centre back. I've always liked him there even though he'd be susceptible to runners
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 08, 2018, 01:45:49 PM
God Munnelly deserves some credit for still making the side

I think we should win well on Saturday night but you can never count your chickens

Interesting to see how Liliis goes in midfield he is probably best suited to that position I hear he is flying it in training!


Looking for to seeing them in action now!
Say what you like about Lillis, and he’s a fine solid performer, but a flyer he will never be.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 08, 2018, 02:36:49 PM
Are some of the younger guys dropping away? Crowley, Lowry, Dowling? Pity!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on February 08, 2018, 02:50:17 PM
Are some of the younger guys dropping away? Crowley, Lowry, Dowling? Pity!

I'd say more likely others are upping their efforts, the three above will come again.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: redsetanta on February 08, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
That's why there's a panel there.

Lowry is flying for UCD. Himself and O'Carroll were in top form for UCD yesterday. Lowry hasn't done enough and on top of Siggerson Sugrue probably felt Ross deserved his start. He might be getting older but he's well able for Div 4 football.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 08, 2018, 03:55:22 PM
No Crowley is injured at the moment. As for Dowling I'd say Sugrue didn't see enough out of him from the Limerick game to hold down a starting spot. As for Lowry , he was taken off against Leitrim and was taken off for UCD yesterday and isn't starting against Waterford so I haven't a clue what's going on there to be honest.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 08, 2018, 03:56:04 PM
That's why there's a panel there.

Lowry is flying for UCD. Himself and O'Carroll were in top form for UCD yesterday. Lowry hasn't done enough and on top of Siggerson Sugrue probably felt Ross deserved his start. He might be getting older but he's well able for Div 4 football.

Division 4 yes, but championship?

I don't deny that Ross has been an unbelievable servant to Laois. But, I was hoping Div 4 would be used to build a new team.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 08, 2018, 04:01:59 PM
Yeah it's slowly starting to look like the team of old again. Be interesting to see what youngsters hold down places for championship. Strong, Timmons, Booth, Conway, Quigley , Kingston, O Connor , Buggie , have to come back and suddenly it's the same team as last year .So I don't know how long this new team business will last for.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 08, 2018, 04:03:49 PM
Ah Unision, have you been paying attention - of course it's been used to build a new team! That's not to say that some older performers can't play, too. I hear Ross has been going fantastic in training and is hungry to keep playing. Why wouldn't we put him on the team. What a great attitude to have. 2018 and still going strong for Ross, what a legend he is for Laois. Still fresh enough, too. Doesn't have that electric speed that he used to have but still a great asset and a very good football brain.

"Buiding a team" doesn't just mean "throw all the older lads out and put all the new lads in". It means, slowly but surely give the newer lads good game time, build them up slowly and then over time transition accordingly. The new lads should be given time to show what they're about but not to the detrement of an "older" lad who's giving his all and can do a better job on the day.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 08, 2018, 04:29:13 PM
Ah Unision, have you been paying attention - of course it's been used to build a new team! That's not to say that some older performers can't play, too. I hear Ross has been going fantastic in training and is hungry to keep playing. Why wouldn't we put him on the team. What a great attitude to have. 2018 and still going strong for Ross, what a legend he is for Laois. Still fresh enough, too. Doesn't have that electric speed that he used to have but still a great asset and a very good football brain.

"Buiding a team" doesn't just mean "throw all the older lads out and put all the new lads in". It means, slowly but surely give the newer lads good game time, build them up slowly and then over time transition accordingly. The new lads should be given time to show what they're about but not to the detrement of an "older" lad who's giving his all and can do a better job on the day.

Good point Tony I watched them train twice this year...Early after Westmeath 1st game and just last week.

Players are certainly being picked on form.

Lowry was flying it early but not showing as well not but he is in the middle of tough schedule and probably needs a rest ...

O'Carroll looks back to his best and really sharp which can only be a boost.


My only surprise was as I said earlier in this thread was Moore and esp young Kelly being cut I thought they looked hungry and added a lot to proceedings in the early training's and if he was going on training then they should have been more involved but to be fair to John he explained his reasons why he was leaving them out for now ...who's to say they won't be back or anyone else for that matter...

John seems open minded I think he will be open to anything down the line that could be a player in good form coming in out of the blue like happens in a lot of other counties but never here.


Its a good strong team with good subs to come in.

Another 2 points and we are in good shape for the 4 toughest games in Antrim London and Carlow and wicklow away which is never easy for Laois
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 08, 2018, 05:13:01 PM
I was sick in my stomach last year when we were relegated and thought I would never enjoy going to a game again but I'm lovin' the way this year is going so far.
We have a manager who seems to be doing all the right things and the fact that we are playing in this division means he can try out young players and try new systems for us to play.

I admire his stance on the more established lads and not rushing them back into the team until he believes they are fully ready both in body and mind. That is something we couldn't afford, or maybe hadn't the courage to do till now and hopefully we will reap the rewards. Winning is a habit and a few good wins, regardless of who it's against builds confidence and trust in your teammates and manager and can only be good for us.

We need a big win Saturday to give us a good score difference and that team should be well capable of doing it...

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Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on February 08, 2018, 08:09:14 PM
Yeah it's slowly starting to look like the team of old again. Be interesting to see what youngsters hold down places for championship. Strong, Timmons, Booth, Conway, Quigley , Kingston, O Connor , Buggie , have to come back and suddenly it's the same team as last year .So I don't know how long this new team business will last for.

Read and listen to above in relation to Donie, there’ll be no “have to come back” everyone has to earn their places on this team.
They may very well make it but they’ll be in a lot better shape than they have been these past few years
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 09, 2018, 09:43:25 AM
Love that picture... a lot of people including portlaoise said ohhh he is fit but too raw maybe not good enough.....

Well in my book he is a potential corner back for a long period ...I know if i was playing i'd hate to having him marking me!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 09, 2018, 11:45:45 AM
Yeah it's slowly starting to look like the team of old again. Be interesting to see what youngsters hold down places for championship. Strong, Timmons, Booth, Conway, Quigley , Kingston, O Connor , Buggie , have to come back and suddenly it's the same team as last year .So I don't know how long this new team business will last for.

Read and listen to above in relation to Donie, there’ll be no “have to come back” everyone has to earn their places on this team.
They may very well make it but they’ll be in a lot better shape than they have been these past few years
I think to be fair "have to come back into contention" is what was meant.
Come the championship, there's a reasonable chance that Timmons, Quigley, Strong and Donoher will be there or thereabouts.
It's good to see a few new lads getting their chance to date.
I'd expect us to beat Waterford by a big margin.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: OTF on February 09, 2018, 06:56:15 PM
Yeah it's slowly starting to look like the team of old again. Be interesting to see what youngsters hold down places for championship. Strong, Timmons, Booth, Conway, Quigley , Kingston, O Connor , Buggie , have to come back and suddenly it's the same team as last year .So I don't know how long this new team business will last for.

Read and listen to above in relation to Donie, there’ll be no “have to come back” everyone has to earn their places on this team.
They may very well make it but they’ll be in a lot better shape than they have been these past few years
I think to be fair "have to come back into contention" is what was meant.
Come the championship, there's a reasonable chance that Timmons, Quigley, Strong and Donoher will be there or thereabouts.
It's good to see a few new lads getting their chance to date.
I'd expect us to beat Waterford by a big margin.

Having read it again I agree and if my comment appeared to be dismissive it was not the intention.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 11, 2018, 06:34:09 PM
Good to get the 2 points vs Waterford. I couldn't make the match this week but encouraging to see Donie back and a lot of lads getting good game time. 3 wins from 3 is very positive and a nice 2 week break now for some lads coming back from niggles to push for some game time vs Wicklow. Antrim only got a point today against a 13-man Wicklow. We really need to drive on now and get this promotion. Looking like a 3 horse race with Laois, Antrim and Carlow. From what I can see, Carlow will be our biggest threat - they're playing very good football this year and look hungry and fit. John Sugrue post Waterford : https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/john-sugrue-post-waterford
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: County Man on February 11, 2018, 10:50:53 PM
Nice to have 6 points after 3 rounds. Puts us in a good position in the promotion hunt. Wicklow in Aughrim next up followed by a massive game at home against Antrim.

Guys can knuckle down in training for the next 2 weeks knowing we are on track.

To sum up the first 3 rounds....  there was a fine crowd in O'Moore Park for round 1 against Limerick. A 9 point victory flattered us but 2 good goals scored and held Limerick to 9 points. Danny O'Reilly impressed in that game with Gary Walsh on top form. Was good to see a lot of new faces been given their chance to impress.

Round 2 away in Carrick on Shannon was quite impressive for the first 55 minutes. Paul Kingston impressed and again Gary Walsh was on fire. Evan O'Carroll had a good performance as well. Trevor Collins got a good goal. Ross Munnelly came off the bench and got 2 points. Have to continue to stay switched on when cruising at 15 points up. Was disappointing to concede the 3 late goals against Leitrim but hopefully it will be a learning curve. We played a good brand of football that day apart from the late blip.

Round 3 against Waterford.... asked us more questions. We were always in control in first 2 rounds. In this game, Waterford made a fine start, 0-2 to 0-0 up and then 1-3 to 0-3 ahead. I was impressed with the increased intensity from then until half time played in horrible conditions. Alan Farrell and Kieran Lillis kicked good scores and Walsh again was a thorn in Waterford's side.

Holland and Collins are doing very well covering a lot of ground. Colm Begley showed great leadership in both halves. Great to see big Donie back and he got 2 nice points. Danny O'Reilly has good pace. Ross encouraged the younger guys throughout the 70 minutes. We grinded out a deserved win. Good patience in the build up play.

Hopefully we can have Attride back for the Wicklow game.

Laois Abu!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 11, 2018, 11:11:44 PM
It was mentioned earlier that a lot of the older team have drifted back and it's looking like we are going to need them. A lot of the new players have been poor in the last two games. We were very poor for long periods and got on top when they ran out of steam but at that stage, strong, Donie and Donagher we were on. We have conceded four goals in the last two games and you would have to question the defensive shape of the team. Time and again we were left two on two with a half field to themselves, that and the insistence on playing from the front especially nerney has caused us huge problems. He has been very poor. There two inside forwards scored 1-5 from play, more than our starting full forward line. Can't see the point of Holland rambling up the field when he has the pace to be a sweeper. We are also very narrow with Collins and Dillon pushing in towards the centre. This allowed all three teams that we have played to have an out ball on both side lines. Waterford had a man right on the line both sides and worked around the heavily congested middle. Management really need to work on this we are getting. Badly exposed again last night and especially in Leitrim.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 12, 2018, 08:22:08 AM
My own opinion is that we needed to have the current period that we are now in.   Sugrue is changing the mentality of players,  Laois have been poor for quite a while and something needs to change.   The team of the previous two years suffered two relegation's,why some on here believe going back there will yield different results.  The players lads are talking about were fine Players 5 years ago but unfortunately due to a variety of issues have not been playing the same ball.  I am sure 1 or 2 of them might get back in but that's it.  We have to begin rebuilding and focus on what's coming through maximizing them, till we get our underage in order.  I mentioned in other page about the U20's and the whole delayed appointment it does not to do players any favours.  Let me say this if we do not get our underage setup right we are not going anywhere fast.  I think Sugrue is doing a good job,  and this will stand to Laois in the long run.

We have been conceding goals easily for 3-4 years now, not just this year.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 12, 2018, 10:58:49 AM
we conceded 9 goals last year and 11 the year before at a higher level. we have conceded 4 in the last two games against much inferior opposition I would have thought a defensive plan to improve this would be a priority.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 12, 2018, 11:21:40 AM
We conceded 3 against Wicklow who are of this parish in championship,  of course we need to improve defence but it was legacy issue for Sugrue.

I would go further in is rife in the Club Championship, we don't defend well.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 13, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
My Ratings for Waterford game

Again its only an opinion and I don't mean to be hard on any player I am greatful they give their time and effort to the Laois team and I love to go and see them play!



Brody 7-Did well not many saves to make overall kick outs long and short were good took one very dangerous ball in the first half under pressure but looses a mark for one in the same half that drifted across the goals.Got some nice darts off the ball when coming out which eventually the ref punished.


Holland 7-Decent performance by the young Portlaoise man he was excellent in the first half and one of the better backs in my book does tend to drift a little but that will come with more experience.Harshly judged by the ref to have fouled twice in the second half when he got in front of his man to clear.

Nerney 5-Not one of his better games but he will learn from this and he was on a quality player in Hutchinson who scored 1-3 from play I think.Its a work in progress for the young man but his pace is a good asset to have.

Fennell 5-Wasn't able for the number ten who went inside for most of the game and really troubled him in the first half he stuck to his task tho despite being up against it and didn't commit lazy fouls which he could have easily done.

Collins 6- In and out of the game his runs forward were good and he looks very fit but he needs to improve on his tackling and positional awareness .Tries hard and got one great assist.

Begley 7-Did well for the most part but left too many gaps in a period in the first half where Waterford got 1-2 in the space of five minutes.He was very good in the second half and was the catalyst for Laois in their dominant period winning breaks and dominating his area of the pitch.

Dillion 5-Not one of his better games but I suppose a five is harsh needs to learn how to tackle as he has the pace to stay and get back to most players should back himself more going forward and run directly at goals instead of to the corners which will open up teams.

O'Loughlin 8-One of his better games in a Laois shirt for a while won very important kickouts and battled well around the middle did commit a few fouls in the first half but at least he is willing to tackle and stop runners through the middle which is a problem for Laois.

Lillis 6-Kicked two superb points one with the outside of the boot was as good as you'll see.tackling was okay but he played a few stray passes forward when he was under no pressure .Caught for pace a few times when trying to get back to a Waterford runner but tried hard.

A Farrell 6- Kicked a lovely point on the run after a great Laois move and covered a lot of ground.strong on the solo run and one of the better Laois players to tackle which wouldn't be hard.Hand passing is a skill he could work on.

P Kingston 8-I thought he was superb won everyball that came his way and found Laois men everytime with a lovely range of passing long and short.Did tend to look too much to Donie when he came on but thats second nature to him and they will work scores from it.

O'Reilly 6-Wasn't man who covered more grass than this man but he tend to solo into blind alleys he needs to get a pass off when he beats one man or takes the ball on the run.His support play is excellent but his tackling and defending from the front is very weak he needs to work on lads walking around him.

Munnelly 7-Hard to fault Ross one great score before half time cutting in from the right to roll back the years and showed a level of fitness that a 20 year old would be happy with.Hard to leave him out the next day on this showing!

Walsh 9-Laois's best player I thought was out of it a little in opening period missing two scorable frees in that period but from then on he was a constant treat and showed skill power and no lack of determination in his play on the field.Becoming the player for his county now we all knew he could be.

O'Carroll 4-Looked out of sorts from the start but did ship a few hard knocks I'd say his game in midweek had taken a lot oout of him and he couldn't seem to get going at all.Had one good run and won a free at an important time was replaced at half time by Donie.

Donie 7-Two superb points and could have had another he really showed well for the ball and while not in the best sahpe yet it looked promising .Looked very motivated and this can only be a good thing for Laois.

Strong 6-A little off the pace but thats to be expected not getting much game time one superb block to stop a certain score was calm on the ball as you'd expect.

Donoher  5-Harsh maybe on Niall but got little ball and never really got into the game kicked one very poor wide with his right when there were other options which is unlike the Courtwood man.Looks in great shape like so many of the Laois team this year!

Glynn 5-Not on too long so rating could be agin harsh he kicked two terrible balls away when an easy pass was on to Donie or Ross but he certainly adds strenght and power to the team and won the ball back with one great tackle .

Buggy 5-Same as Glynn rating is more a reflection of how little time he got .


Over all it wasn't a great performance but a few highlights included Donie coming back ,O'Loughlin and Munnelly still showing why they are on the team.

Paul Kingston and Gary Walsh look like they will be a potent force for the rest of the championship.


Bad points

scores we conceded without a hand being laid on a player  out tackling has to be improved or we will be in trouble.

Not a bad crowd for the evening that was in it and they certainly got behind the team which is encouraging!



Wicklow next which will a tough battle as always down there but if we can get over that its looking good.

Carlow seem to be the form team so far and them and Antrim will be in the shake up.

I can't wait to go over to London as well it should be a great trip !!
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 13, 2018, 02:06:41 PM
Super update Unlaoised. Appreciated from one who couldn't make the match.

Might take the whole league and several showings to decide whether some of the young backs are going to make it (as it is pretty much the same forwards as last few years). Of all the new lads, Holland and O'Riely seem to be showing strongest.

Great to see Paul Kingston finally finding a niche on the team.

When is Colm Murphy available? Would be great to see him in the league.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 13, 2018, 02:25:14 PM
Wouldn't argue with much of that unlaoised.
Fair enough Nerney had a tough night but that's the standard of players he should be aspiring to match. Same goes for Fennell.
Full back line is unforgiving at times.
Thought Farrell was poorer than your review. He isn't a natural forward for me.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: theoldvet on February 13, 2018, 07:52:21 PM
Good post unlaoised
talking to supporters after the game
we are all saying that our tackling and defending is very poor
i'm sure Sugrue know this,  when I see them new young Kerry defenders
I say why can't we defend like them
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on February 13, 2018, 09:44:54 PM
Great post unlaoised.

Looking at the club championship the defending is very poor. I think the art of tackling has been ruined by teams playing blanket defences and players not getting coached how to tackle.

Anyone been to Laois training and know what tackling drills Laois are doing? Have Laois a defence coach?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 14, 2018, 10:27:11 AM
Good post unlaoised
talking to supporters after the game
we are all saying that our tackling and defending is very poor
i'm sure Sugrue know this,  when I see them new young Kerry defenders
I say why can't we defend like them
Because our young players havent been coached like those Kerry players. Those Kerry players are All Ireland Minor winners. Ours barely won a game or two in Leinster, and the team that got to a Leinster Final had their arses handed to them.

Sugrue knows their limitation. They are being worked on. The players are being tanned. The work is going on. There is no let up. The league is important insofar as wins are vital, and they are being collected while the work goes on on the bigger issues. Its important to keep getting the wins, because it keeps c***ts like us off their backs while the real work goes on behind the scenes. I'll take any win, breathing room, promotion, and signs of progress. Anyone who expects to see us play like Kerry just yet, needs to reset their expectations. This is going to take time. Give him the time. The players are.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 14, 2018, 01:53:41 PM
I'd be very sceptical of the idea that we can train grown men how to tackle successfully. For a start if you don't have pace you can't get close enough to tackle which is still a problem for way too many of our senior footballers. Tackling skills are embedded from when lads are 12-14 and pace is untrainable.

Joe Higgins and Cahir Healy were already tackling like pros when they were 17/18.

Also, there is a difference between a blanket defence and a successful blanket defence. When Tyrone and Armagh were in their prime they would all filter back and dislodge the ball or draw a foul if you tried to run through them. Laois under McNulty were good at times too. Under O'Flaharta for example we had a blanket defence and conceded huge scores.

We are suffering from years of poor underage teams and of an annual influx of 2-3 talented and pacey footballers into the senior ranks. We had the best underage structures in the country for many years and blew it when we thought we had 'done the job'. As for the quality of our clubs and club championship....
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 14, 2018, 03:11:19 PM
To be honest, a lot comes down to luck, too. The underage setup now is as good or better compared to what it was in the 90's or 2000's. I played with a lot of the lads around the time of our 90's minor success. And I swear, there was talent coming out of everywhere at that time. Most club teams had at least 3-4 inter county standard players. The underage structure and setup wasn't a whole lot different to what it is today. I think a lot of people overestimate the setup then, and underestimate the setup now, based on it's product of talent. My point being : sometimes in a county as small as Laois, you can have waves of years where you have plentiful talent, and you can have waves where you're struggling a bit. Of course, training and development comes into it, but when you have genuine top level raw talent, it doesn't take a lot at all to harness that into a very good senior player.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Heshs Umpire on February 14, 2018, 03:16:36 PM
Promotion is the minimum target. We should be winning the final of this in Croke Park. After that? Wexford away is one I'd  like to think we can win. Then Westmeath. We'll know where we are after that.
Sugrue has a problem though. It's the same problem Creedon , Lillis and O Flatharta had. The underage supply line has dried up big time. 2007 minors was our last great underage team.
The 2003 and 2004 lads are nearly gone now. Only Quigley, Begley, Timmons and Donoher left I think.
It's hard trying to plug the gaps with chaps who've done little or nothing at the top level. But we need to keep trying. I've great hopes for the likes of Daly (despite my dislike of that transfer), Diarmuid Whelan and young Coffey and Slevin of Port. Kelly of Joes will come again I'm sure and same goes for Sean Moore. Pity Meredith isn't involved. Fine player.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unison on February 14, 2018, 03:47:18 PM
Is the underage setup still poor in the county? Personally, I haven't got a clue,
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: BallyroanAbu on February 14, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
To be honest, a lot comes down to luck, too. The underage setup now is as good or better compared to what it was in the 90's or 2000's. I played with a lot of the lads around the time of our 90's minor success. And I swear, there was talent coming out of everywhere at that time. Most club teams had at least 3-4 inter county standard players. The underage structure and setup wasn't a whole lot different to what it is today. I think a lot of people overestimate the setup then, and underestimate the setup now, based on it's product of talent. My point being : sometimes in a county as small as Laois, you can have waves of years where you have plentiful talent, and you can have waves where you're struggling a bit. Of course, training and development comes into it, but when you have genuine top level raw talent, it doesn't take a lot at all to harness that into a very good senior player.

Maybe other counties have moved forward leaving us behind.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 14, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Underage structures is one thing but the bottom line is we just don't have the players to compete at a higher level? Maybe the players are just not there at the moment?. As for Heshs post most of them players are minors and have a long way to go. Underage club football in Laois is one thing but senior inter county football will be a step too far for some of those guys in my opinion .
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 14, 2018, 04:13:51 PM
PLAYERS NOT COMING THROUGH ETC ETC ETC  ::)


Lads we have went over and over this discussion again and again its really for another thread can we stick to the current players in the league the form of them and what the matches training and all things related to our division 4 journey plus what has or might happen.


Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 14, 2018, 07:50:26 PM
PLAYERS NOT COMING THROUGH ETC ETC ETC  ::)


Lads we have went over and over this discussion again and again its really for another thread can we stick to the current players in the league the form of them and what the matches training and all things related to our division 4 journey plus what has or might happen.
They're not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 15, 2018, 10:50:05 AM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helmut on February 15, 2018, 11:34:40 AM
In fairness it did look like he was saving himself on Saturday for this match.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 15, 2018, 11:53:11 AM
In fairness it did look like he was saving himself on Saturday for this match.
BURN.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 15, 2018, 12:46:38 PM
Two periods of extra time as well
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 15, 2018, 02:38:54 PM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Didn't score from play  ;)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 15, 2018, 02:51:43 PM
Neither did Lowry . One point and it was a free.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoiseabu on February 15, 2018, 02:52:55 PM
Where can I see the highlights?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 15, 2018, 03:20:17 PM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Didn't score from play  ;)
Was involved in a lot of plays, carried good ball throughout by the looks.

We're a great auld county for dragging a lad down all the same. Thats two now, to one simple post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgvq3uAwJY
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on February 15, 2018, 05:20:32 PM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Didn't score from play  ;)
Was involved in a lot of plays, carried good ball throughout by the looks.

We're a great auld county for dragging a lad down all the same. Thats two now, to one simple post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgvq3uAwJY

Have to agree with you on that Don. It's certainly a strange kind of support anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 15, 2018, 06:51:52 PM
From the highlights, Evan O Carroll looks to have had a monster game last night for UCD.
Didn't score from play  ;)
Was involved in a lot of plays, carried good ball throughout by the looks.

We're a great auld county for dragging a lad down all the same. Thats two now, to one simple post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgvq3uAwJY

Have to agree with you on that Don. It's certainly a strange kind of support anyway.
I has a little wink thing after my post to be fair. Anyone kicking 5 points from frees and 45s in a Sigerson semi is doing grand by me.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Giovanni on February 15, 2018, 10:49:50 PM
Apologies if I misunderstood what you meant. Hopefully he can bring his college form to the county setup.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on February 16, 2018, 10:41:45 AM
Truth be told I have been critical of Evan in the past...and indeed I've felt the wrath of DD in this regard

Just watched those highlights and he certainly made a big impact on this game for sure
Freetaking outstanding

Seems fitter and more focused....good news for Laois
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Clubber Lang on February 16, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
Evan has all the attributes to be an exellent footballer for Laois. The last few seasons he probably wasn't where he needed to be be physically to play inter-county championship football. This year he seems to have rectified that and having a run playing on UCD team will definitely stand to him. I expect O'Carroll to nail down starting position come the championship.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 16, 2018, 05:20:07 PM
A few games into the league, the team for championship (barring injury), in my opinion, is coming together a bit like this:

Brody

Holland, Timmons, Attride,

Lillis, Begley, Dillon,

O' Loughlin, O' Reilly,

O Carroll, P Kingston, Donaher,

Lowry, D Kingston, Walsh

Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: The PRO on February 16, 2018, 06:11:09 PM
A few games into the league, the team for championship (barring injury), in my opinion, is coming together a bit like this:

Brody

Holland, Timmons, Attride,

Lillis, Begley, Dillon,

O' Loughlin, O' Reilly,

O Carroll, P Kingston, Donaher,

Lowry, D Kingston, Walsh
Yeah, hard to see it being much different from that Tony. Maybe Quigley will get back but hard to see it. O'Connor could also be in the running?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Tony on February 16, 2018, 06:28:03 PM
Yes Pro, O Connor if he gets back into it could slot into Attrides position with Stephen maybe moving to the wing in place of Lillis. Damien has lots of pace although I don't think the corner is his best position. I guess it all depends on injuries etc and also - maybe a few more lads will try to put a stamp on their position between now and the summer - the latter games of the league on harder ground will tell a lot. It would be excellent to get a league final but we can't get complacent yet - some tough tests ahead. I'm often reminded of how just a few more lads with real quality would impact the squad - for example if we had Cahir Healy, Merideth and Zach Tuohy back. Wishful thinking I suppose - we have to work with who we have available.

Having said that, I can't help but notice that this line up looks very good.

Brody,

Cahir Healy, Timmons, Attride,

Lillis, Begley, Dillon,

O Loughlin, O Reilly,

O Carroll, P Kingston, Zach Tuohy,

Conor Merideth, D Kingston, G Walsh.


Maybe one day  :)
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: jimbob2 on February 17, 2018, 08:57:41 PM
My old computer is working again. I have enjoyed  reading Dons posts, he is the man!!!!!!!
Tony don’t forget Davy Conway, a student of Ross for years and when fit in my opinion is our best left full forward ( if that position even exists any more in the new gaa game). As said before I am very reluctant to pass negative judgement on any of our players. As a former player of some years ago and having a few family members playing at different levels, criticisms should be carefully thought out. However advice should always be taken on board whether you are a player, manager or poster!!!!. From what I have seen so far this year the freshness of  a new set up has had a predictable result in the understudies racing from the blocks and giving the regulars a wake up call, which is always a positive.
I like The new manager and have watched him take charge of various under age laois teams and have been really impressed. Senior inter county is a different story  in the new era, we have finished up in a league where as a spectator I can go to a game and have some confidence that we are playing in a division where we can be competitive and win games and that's not a bad thing. As regards my opinion on the team, new players need lots of games and time to become consistent inter county players, I like young Holland, he reminds me a lot of a young Healy who only for injury had pledged to play for both hurlers and footballers this year, you might see him yet before the year is out. I have to say that at this stage with the needed wake up call and a fresh management team that the majority of the new players are not quiet ready to take the places of the majority of the reinvigorated established players, this will take more time in what is a very positive camp. Big Donies return was so necessary going forward, (purer class) and good to see paul has put up some weight and strength which will improve his game this year. I can see a positive year ahead and why not enjoy the prospect of a possible croke park appearance and our good friends Carlow maybe making it an interesting finale, and then progress as underdogs with a bite.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 18, 2018, 12:20:53 AM
Went to the sigerson final today and I think Lowry will push very hard for a place. Very good worker and a good passer, I thought he kicked two points but the reports had him with one. In a game where there was never really a full forward line on either team he played much deeper and was very direct. Not evan's best day, started as the lone full forward but was well beaten by the galway full back. Switched with McCarthy out the field which was the winning of the game and scored a good point. One brilliant pass in the second half for a score was the highlight but missed three frees when it was very tight and then drifted become being taken off.

A lot of real quality players on show. Barry from Kerry, comer, Mc Carthy, Cooke from galway. Casey from tipp is a gem and a player I would Laois to have. Big man, kickout option and also knocked over three points when it mattered.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 18, 2018, 01:55:49 AM
Here is the full game from TG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bUgBM8SeGw

Kieran Molloy had a busy day, fair play to him...
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/kieran-molloy-corofin-sub-nuig-sigerson-cup-final-383471
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: on the hop on February 18, 2018, 12:23:51 PM
He looked very stiff when he came on. Liam silke in the same both didn't come on for ucd
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Laoisguy on February 18, 2018, 02:31:03 PM
Was at the game Evan found himself under pressure after a couple of early mistakes
Free taking was poor....seemed a bit tired after midweek exertions

Lowry played really well....I thought he got 2 scores to be honest
Great timing work rate and awareness

Seems well regarded tactically by teammates



Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: gaastats on February 19, 2018, 12:39:19 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Heshs Umpire on February 19, 2018, 08:53:10 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Attride is Killeshin not Crettyard. Interesting info.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: O moore parklife on February 19, 2018, 09:12:52 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.
Did conor Meredith win one in 2015 with Begley
Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: portlaoisekid on February 19, 2018, 09:42:17 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Colm Parkinson was with IT Tralee in 1999, he was injured for the final if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 19, 2018, 09:58:51 AM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Colm Parkinson was with IT Tralee in 1999, he was injured for the final if I remember correctly.
Correct. Stephen Attride is Killeshin as well.

1976 Michael Dowling in Maynooth, is that the teacher?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helmut on February 19, 2018, 04:43:40 PM
On the hop has a few Sigerson programmes up on his excellent GAA Programme Collector facebook page  :)this week with the weeks thats in it.

DCU in 2006 also look to have the two Munnellys on it. No idea if they played or not but they were on the panel with Cahir.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Helix on February 19, 2018, 05:35:24 PM
Laois winners & finalists in the Sigerson Cup.

Sigerson Cup
Winning teams:
1958 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1960 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1973 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1974 UCD Enda Condron (Ballylinan)
1976 Maynooth Eamonn Whelan (Portlaoise) & Michael Dowling (Mountmellick -sub)
1980 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1992 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1999 ITT Noel Garvan (St Joseph's)
2006 DCU Cahir Healy (Portlaoise -sub)
2012 DCU Colm Begley (Stradbally)
2016 UCD Eoghan Keogh (Mountmellick) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)
2018 UCD Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard) & Eoin Lowry (Killeshin)

Finalists
1959 UCD Joe Fingleton (Park)
1974 UCG Jim Miller (Annanough)
1979 UCG Paudie O'Riordan (Annanough)
1981 TCD Jimmy O'Callaghan
1991 UCG Tony Maher (Stradbally)
1996 Garda Adrian Phelan (Portarlington)
1999 Garda Tom Bowe (Stradbally)
2001 UCD Brian McDonald (Arles-Killeen)
2008 Garda Barry Brennan (Graiguecullen -sub)
2009 DIT Billy O'Loughlin (Arles-Killeen -sub)
2012 Maynooth Paul Cahillane (Portlaoise)
2016 DCU Stephen Attride (Crettyard) & Colm Begley (Stradbally)

Anyone else? Was Lowry not on the panel in 2017, when UCD lost?
Colm Parkinson was with IT Tralee in 1999, he was injured for the final if I remember correctly.
Correct. Stephen Attride is Killeshin as well.

1976 Michael Dowling in Maynooth, is that the teacher?

Evin Keane the Heath was with DCU in 2016 also.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on February 19, 2018, 06:51:42 PM
Did Evan get called in for trials? He's a nice footballer. Ambrose Doran cut?

Is Cahillane injured?
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 20, 2018, 02:03:08 AM
Did Evan get called in for trials? He's a nice footballer. Ambrose Doran cut?

Is Cahillane injured?

Don't think Ambrose Doran was in with the squad at all this year..
Tom Shiel seems to be gone though, he was there earlier this year.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: gaastats on February 20, 2018, 06:32:44 AM
1976 Michael Dowling in Maynooth, is that the teacher?

Yes. The Heath NS.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: SCFC on February 20, 2018, 09:38:30 AM
Did Evan get called in for trials?
Is he abroad? Something in the back of my head says he is.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2018, 09:48:16 AM
Did Evan get called in for trials?
Is he abroad? Something in the back of my head says he is.
Graduated last year, spent time in NY, not sure he's still there though.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Butch Cassidy on February 20, 2018, 10:20:02 AM
That Murphy chap from Port back fit? He'll surely get a run in the league over the next few weeks
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: steven seagal on February 20, 2018, 10:37:32 AM
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Graduated last year, spent time in NY, not sure he's still there though.

He's back but injured himself while abroad, only getting back to a bit of training now
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 20, 2018, 10:50:44 AM
Cahillane is nearly ready to play but I heard the Soccer Club are putting pressure on him to come back!

I hope he stays with Laois !
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2018, 11:06:53 AM
Cahillane is nearly ready to play but I heard the Soccer Club are putting pressure on him to come back!

I hope he stays with Laois !
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Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: South Laois man on February 20, 2018, 05:38:46 PM
Good option off the bench. Not sure he'd be a starter with everyone fit. If that's the case maybe he'll go back to the soccer.
Title: Re: 2018 National Football League Division 4
Post by: Unlaoised on February 21, 2018, 08:04:53 AM
I think he would push for a starting spot ..him walsh and kingston be a good full forward line